From nilsf Mon Sep 1 00:00:11 2008 Received: (qmail 22633 invoked by uid 0); 31 Aug 2008 22:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 22:00:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EDEC3829; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DC61C3581 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:59:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28221 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 21:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.186.201) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 21:59:53 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20080830232547.0277e548@mail.threshinc.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080830232547.0277e548@mail.threshinc.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Meandering around my neighborhood Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:59:54 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 00:00:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bb146b210281591313764 That's not R-rated - unless the driver was female. :-) Of course, it's possible that you do actually live in an ordinary, boring suburb and the driver was an interesting person - who was lost. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 31/08/2008, at 4:28 PM, Peter Klein wrote: > Sometimes I think my neighborhood is just a boring suburb, with > nothing > interesting going on. And sometimes I'm reminded otherwise. Seen > in the > parking lot of our local post office (Warning, R-Rated): > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P8302298Ahem- > w.jpg.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 01:34:31 2008 Received: (qmail 31691 invoked by uid 0); 31 Aug 2008 23:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 23:34:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E272FC2C60; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 01:34:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:34:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79487C294B for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 01:34:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.235]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7VNYFAF032682 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:34:15 +1000 Message-Id: <200808312334.m7VNYFAF032682@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:34:15 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:34:15 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: Scorpion fluorescence UV/Black Light Blue First Try X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 01:34:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bb2a87232731529615919 > Darin wrote: > > Just thought I'd share the results of my first attempt at photographing > scorpion fluorescence. > They look very good. What is the difference in technique between 81, 91 & 111 ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 02:07:24 2008 Received: (qmail 14730 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 00:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 00:07:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774E2C2ACB; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:07:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:07:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.142]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456B5C2B03 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:07:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KZwwq-00070D-U9 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:07:13 +0000 Message-ID: <48BB3237.7080801@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:07:19 +0100 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mailing list Subject: [OM] No =?ISO-8859-1?Q?se=F1oritas?= here..... Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [217.155.39.109] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@m93.myzen.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 02:07:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bb323c571342116753 Just a load of Norman ruins - Castle Acre Priory in Norfolk, took a walk with the e-1 on Friday - hope a few of them may be of interest to some of you... :-) - http://archaeoimages.com/Colour/Castle_Acre_Priory-01/index.html Regards - Martyn ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 02:18:31 2008 Received: (qmail 8227 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 00:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 00:18:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A86C3856; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:18:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:18:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3D1C33A1 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:18:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 99Ak1a00j0Fqzac54CJKKz; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:18:19 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.249.190]) by OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9CJJ1a00547DJWo3UCJJwm; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:18:19 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aczUpbCCvvQA:10 a=xCuYubShICAA:10 a=u0ajHPC7n41OQqhjbyUA:9 a=JzMI3MXZkExyqhRvdqQVp2_5Um8A:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=fDq-ytBZXmUA:10 Message-ID: <82D2AF1210AB451685C6B06A2416C42E@daingtanfxkwk9> From: "Darin" To: References: <200808312334.m7VNYFAF032682@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Subject: [OM] Re: Scorpion fluorescence UV/Black Light Blue First Try Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:18:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d.rhein@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 02:18:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bb34d795561585427447 Wayne Harridge wrote: > >> Darin wrote: >> >> Just thought I'd share the results of my first attempt at photographing >> scorpion fluorescence. >> > > They look very good. What is the difference in technique between 81, 91 & > 111 ? > > ...Wayne > Well, like I said, I didn't think to time the exposures and take notes. So, my best guess is that 91 is the one frame where I desided to try using the spot meter. All others I used Center-weighted metering. Thanks for looking Wayne. Darin ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 02:19:19 2008 Received: (qmail 3562 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 00:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 00:19:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2FBC37EC; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:19:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:19:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.threshinc.com (mail.threshinc.com [209.189.206.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257A1C3554 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:19:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from figaro.threshinc.com (unknown [209.189.223.38]) by mail.threshinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 09B2739C6D5 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20080831171406.02769668@mail.threshinc.com> X-Sender: pklein@threshinc.com@mail.threshinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:19:07 -0700 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Peter Klein Subject: [OM] E-510 for a Leica M shooter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pklein@threshinc.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 02:19:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bb3507178589347015869 Here's a little thinking out loud, after a week with the E-510. Note that I'm primarily a rangefinder guy. I've had an E-1 for three years, but never really liked it. I'm feeling much more positive about the E-510. The E-510 was the result of a nagging feeling, on a several trips and walks, that maybe in daylight, I could do as well with a DSLR as with an RF, get more precise framing, and not have to carry around as many bits and pieces of kit. Just one camera and a good moderate zoom, an extra battery and maybe a polarizer, and all's well. Autofocus negates one of my main lifelong issues with SLRs--I just don't focus well manually with them. With an RF, I'm confident. With a manual focus SLR, I hem and haw, and sometimes I don't nail it. So was it worth it? As with so many things, the answer is "yes, but." Obviously, for tele or macro, an SLR is much better. But with a DSLR, there is a trade-off between image quality, low light noise levels and operational speed vs. size and weight. So many of the things for which we used to buy a different kind of film now require a different camera body to do truly well. I don't like big and heavy. So while I probably would do better with a 5D or 1D(s)Mark-x or a D3(00), that's not the route I wanted to take. I decided to stick with Olympus. The E-3 is big, heavy, and expensive. So I decided get a smaller, supposedly consumer model with image stabilization. A lightly-used E-510 appealed to my bottom-feeder instincts--last year's model at a price I couldn't refuse. So far, I'm not disappointed. The E-510 is a wonderful general-purpose camera. But there are limitations. Detail wise, the antialias-less M8 and a Summicron eats the E-510's lunch. No comparison. All 10 megapixels are not created equal, and I can see the difference clearly on the screen. But that extra detail doesn't matter so much at normal print sizes (letter size or smaller). So the E-510 is good enough much of the time. Noise is not as big an issue as the pixel peepers on dpreview would have us believe, but it is there. The Olympus doesn't have the squeaky-clean ISO 200 and 400 (320/640) files the M8 does. Again, a little judicious noise reduction in the RAW converter and you're OK, but it does take some thought balancing the scene, the noise and the need for finest detail. Quite a bit better than the E-1, though. ISO 800 is quite usable, but I'm not sure I'd want to use 1600 much. How much of a problem all this will be once the grayer days return to the Pacific Northwest remains to be seen. Blown highlights is a bit of an issue, but really only a little more than any other DSLR. Frankly, digital sucks in this respect. In a scene with a sunlit background and deep shaded subject, you're screwed. You can blow the background, or you can try pulling the dark parts out of the mud, with resultant color shifts, noise and posterization. The M8 is about the best digital camera I've seen in this respect, and even it gets challenged. Oh, for a digital sensor with the latitude of color negative film, or even Tri-X, where you could expose for the important parts of the scene and burn in the bright stuff (or scan twice for bright and dark and merge). Shooting speed: The E-510 is no sports camera. The autofocus is not fast enough for the action at the local skateboard park. Which means manually focusing on a spot and waiting for the action to come to it, or setting up continuous autofocus or AF lock for such things. Since I'm not a sports shooter, I don't care much. I trust my own eyes and the M rangefinder better for ordinary decisive-moment photography sometimes, but the E-510 is good enough most of the time. Viewfinder: Too small, very hard to manually focus. The jury's still out over whether I will get a Katz Eye screen for focusing my old OM teles, live with it, or spring for a new tele zoom. Ergonomics: The E-1 was better. More dedicated buttons, and, two control dials to the E-510's one. I like the E-510's feel in the hand better than the E-1. Neither come close to a film M or an M8 with a Thumbs-Up. On the E-510's plus side, it is versatile. It has image stabilization, which does nice things with my old OM teles. It takes stunning macros with my old OM 50/3.5 macro. It does most of the things I wanted a reasonably current DSLR for, and most of the things it doesn't do, the M8 does, Or I don't care about them enough to throw a couple of thousand dollars at them, and change systems in the bargain. As a real-world compromise, so far, so good, --Peter ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 03:40:13 2008 Received: (qmail 12231 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 01:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 01:40:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB386C32F5; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:40:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:40:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE4CC2F8C for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:39:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30805 invoked by uid 504); 1 Sep 2008 01:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Sep 2008 01:39:57 -0000 Message-ID: <48BB47ED.1090503@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:39:57 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: No =?ISO-8859-1?Q?se=F1oritas?= here..... References: <48BB3237.7080801@m93.myzen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48BB3237.7080801@m93.myzen.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 03:40:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bb47fd320163675314703 Thanks, that was interesting. Now I know what a reredorter is. Chuck Norcuttt Martyn Smoothy wrote: > Just a load of Norman ruins - Castle Acre Priory in Norfolk, took a walk > with the e-1 on Friday - hope a few of them may be of interest to some > of you... :-) > > - http://archaeoimages.com/Colour/Castle_Acre_Priory-01/index.html > > Regards - Martyn ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 03:52:30 2008 Received: (qmail 14514 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 01:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 01:52:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAA2C2EE4; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:52:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:52:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E161CC2E24 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:52:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3892 invoked by uid 504); 1 Sep 2008 01:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Sep 2008 01:52:17 -0000 Message-ID: <48BB4AD0.9080303@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:52:16 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scott Kelby Photoshop Photowalks References: <8CAD9C719BAD1DC-F50-7861@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CAD9C719BAD1DC-F50-7861@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 03:52:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bb4ade187043675314703 I think the bikini babe in the water wins this one... because of the interesting light, of course (and it is interesting light). The sailboat rudder and wheel I also found intriguing. The wooden pillow blocks are interesting. I'm wondering if that's all there is or if there's a sleeve bearing inside. Chuck Norutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > May not be the best time given the holiday weekend but here's another > set. > > This one from early evening in Portsmouth , New Hampshire. It's got a > bridge, babes, beer and even Moosterization of some images. (thanks > Moose.) Most of these are Marnie's as mine are still in my OM---you > can see the OM-2 in one image as well as an empty mug of OBD. You can > probably guess which I had a hand in. Our group may meet again > in NH, during leaf peeping season. Any comments welcome. > Mike > > > > > > http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/albums/16869/ > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1643 - Release Date: 8/30/2008 5:18 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 03:58:48 2008 Received: (qmail 27579 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 01:58:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 01:58:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA94C2EFA; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:58:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:58:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4153AC33AA for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:58:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 6203 invoked by uid 504); 1 Sep 2008 01:58:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Sep 2008 01:58:35 -0000 Message-ID: <48BB4C4B.9080903@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:58:35 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list Subject: [OM] What are you using for HDR images? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 03:58:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bb4c58315902070262475 Anyone use CombineZP for HDR image stacking. I've been playing with it today and gotten very frustrated. Worse garbage comes out (massive monotone halos) than what I put in so I assume I'm doing something wrong. Seems I've used its predecessor before with better results but it's not working for me now. Anyone use PS for HDR images. I haven't tried that yet. Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 06:41:36 2008 Received: (qmail 10545 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 04:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 04:41:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E36FC3BE2; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 06:41:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:41:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5ED7C3B7A for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 06:41:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21476 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 04:41:21 -0000 Received: from dsl081-113-027.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) (stevegoss@[64.81.113.27]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 Sep 2008 04:41:21 -0000 Message-ID: <48BB7264.40800@speakeasy.net> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:41:08 -0500 From: Steve & Alicia Goss User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What did I do wrong now? References: <48B61B06.7000103@speakeasy.net> <48B704A9.1090600@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48B704A9.1090600@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: stevegoss@speakeasy.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 06:41:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bb728096654673671140 Moose- Thank you very much for your efforts. It's a thrill to be Moosterized for the first time. And sorry if I've set you up for a string of bad jokes with that line. For the cabin in Independence, CO, you have returned detail in the tree limbs that the scanner hid, and detail in the clouds that I can't even see in the slide when looking at it through a loupe. Plus the dirt in the foreground is the right shade again. The original is not quite that green, but it may be more due to the high altitude than a scan problem. The town site is high enough that when the town was abandoned one bad winter, the townspeople dismantled some of the buildings, built skis, and everyone skied down the stagecoach road to Aspen. For the Crystal mill, The original slide is pretty dark, except for the sky and the waterfall. The slide doesn't look to have purple in the shadows, but it's tough to tell with the loupe. I think I'll see if I can get a better scan. Thanks, Steve Goss, Dallas Tx usa Moose wrote: > Steve & Alicia Goss wrote: > >> >> Hi, Y'all- >> >> > Hi Steve- > >> Here are two pictures from my vacation. Both are from the same OM4Ti camera, and both on Kodachrome 64, from the same roll. Both were scanned by Dwayne's photo when they were processed. >> I don't remember which lens I was using for 01-025, but 01-039 was done with >> a 24mm f2.8 at f16 and a circular polarizer, to slow down the shutter as >> much as possible. >> 01-025 was hand held, 01-039 was done on a tripod, with the self timer. >> No flash on 01-025, but I was hand holding a pair of flashes on 01-039. They >> were pointed toward the building to try to lighten it up a bit. The building >> looked quite dark compared to the rest of the scene. >> >> The main question is what went wrong on 01-039? 01-025 has a sharp scan, but 01-039 just looks bad. 01-039 does look fairly sharp when it is projected. >> >> > First, 039 doesn't look particularly unsharp overall to me. The rocks in > the foreground are a bit soft, but that could easily be DOF. F16 or not, > that's a pretty deep subject. Assuming it is soft, there are only a > limited number of possible causes. > > - Lens. Gary's tests show the 24/2.8 to hold up well at f16. Assuming > yours is in as good shape as the ones he tested, the lens seems not to > be the problem. > > - Filter. Gary proved that some filters that look good aren't. Even if > yours is fine in that sense, a polarizer introduces 4 additional air to > glass surfaces. 'Twere me, I'd do a test with that lens with and without > filter. > > - Motion blurring. I know it was on a tripod, but motion blurring is > still possible if the tripod isn't sturdy and "dead" enough, if there is > any breeze, even if the falls cause vibration in the ground. I've also > on occasion found motion blurring in foliage from light, unobvious > breezes. Falls do cause their own wind. > > - Scan. Just because it's Dwayne's doesn't mean it's good. There are a > number of other problems that seem likely to be from the scan. > > >> Independence CO, a ghost town preserved by people from Aspen, CO. >> http://www.speakeasy.net/~stevegoss/01-025.jpg [1] >> >> > This scan compresses a lot of highlight and shadow detail into > invisibility. Although there are some lost highlights which are probably > from the slide, there is more cloud detail than might be apparent. Is > the color true to the slide? It doesn't look very "Kodachromy" to me. WB > based on the clouds as neutral make it look more like what I expect. > > >> The "Crystal Mill", actually a power plant for the mill, which was just to the right. >> http://www.speakeasy.net/~stevegoss/01-039.jpg [2] >> >> > This scan seems to me to be quite poor: > > - Where did all that purple in the shadows come from? As with the first > scan, I suspect that auto WB was used in the scans - and worked poorly > for this shot. Auto WB has to assume that the average of the image is > neutral gray. When that isn't the case, it introduces unnatural color > casts. I've assumed the rocks in shadow are gray. Again, I can't know > how it compares to the slide, but it certainly looks more like > Kodachrome to me. > > - There is a lot of grain/noise in the shadows. How much of it is from > the film and how much from inadequate DMax in the scanning process , I > don't know. I wonder is it is contributing to the sense of unsharpness, > not only in the obvious building shadows, but in the rocks in the > foreground. > > - As with the first scan, highlights and shadow are over compressed. > Most of the sky is probably gone on film, but spreading the highlights > down does a lot for the things silhouetted against the sky and brings a > hint of cloud detail. There is a fair amount of shadow detail to be > coaxed out. Noise needs to be addressed first, though. > > - As with any scan, sharpening is required for best results. It can't be > done here before noise reduction without unfortunate results. Looking at > it again, I should probably back it off a bit in the foreground rocks. > > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 11:25:26 2008 Received: (qmail 18828 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 09:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 09:25:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1083C337E; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:25:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:25:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.threshinc.com (mail.threshinc.com [209.189.206.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581D5C2D07 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:25:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from figaro.threshinc.com (unknown [209.189.223.38]) by mail.threshinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 298FC39C6D2 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> X-Sender: pklein@threshinc.com@mail.threshinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:25:14 -0700 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Peter Klein Subject: [OM] IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pklein@threshinc.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 11:25:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bbb506229681744846740 Today I experimented with an old 135/3.5 Olympus OM tele on the E-510. It's like using a 270mm lens on a 35mm camera. Manual focus, manual stop-down, aperture priority metering, and in-body image stabilization. I focused wide open, then counted clicks down f/8 to shoot. This is the best shot from today, a natural abstract with a crow and some electrical wires: Now, check this out: Behind this typical childhood scene is a weird optical effect. Out of focus highlight disks are greenish donuts surrounding a reddish core. Here's a 1:1 crop showing the effect more clearly. See the highlights on the woman's glasses, bolts and washers on the bench, and cris-crosses on the fence behind. A couple more scenes from the park with the 135: Focusing is difficult. If I keep using this lens, or my 100/2.8, I'm going to want a focus confirmation chip on the lens adapter, and/or a Katz Eye screen. Anyone with experience with either of these--how well do they work? --Peter ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 12:38:56 2008 Received: (qmail 30055 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 10:38:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 10:38:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A86C2B91; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:38:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:38:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FE0C2E72 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:38:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1227 invoked by uid 504); 1 Sep 2008 10:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Sep 2008 10:38:19 -0000 Message-ID: <48BBC61B.6040001@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:38:19 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 12:38:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bbc640272181470116606 Looks to me like you and the E-510 and IS are doing pretty well considering the effective focal length of that 135/3.5 on the E-510. I have Canon's special manual focusing screen for the 5D which is made for f/2.8 or faster lenses but I haven't noticed that it helps me a great deal. It's not like having a split image screen which would probably help considerably. I'd also buy a focus confirmation chip adapter if I thought it would work. Chuck Norcutt Peter Klein wrote: > Today I experimented with an old 135/3.5 Olympus OM tele on the > E-510. It's like using a 270mm lens on a 35mm camera. Manual focus, manual > stop-down, aperture priority metering, and in-body image stabilization. I > focused wide open, then counted clicks down f/8 to shoot. > > This is the best shot from today, a natural abstract with a crow and some > electrical wires: > > > Now, check this out: > > Behind this typical childhood scene is a weird optical effect. Out of focus > highlight disks are greenish donuts surrounding a reddish core. Here's a > 1:1 crop showing the effect more clearly. See the highlights on the > woman's glasses, bolts and washers on the bench, and cris-crosses on the > fence behind. > > > A couple more scenes from the park with the 135: > > > > Focusing is difficult. If I keep using this lens, or my 100/2.8, I'm going > to want a focus confirmation chip on the lens adapter, and/or a Katz Eye > screen. Anyone with experience with either of these--how well do they work? > > --Peter > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 7:19 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 12:40:22 2008 Received: (qmail 25895 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 10:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 10:40:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95C7C2FC7; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:40:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:40:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9F3C2CE8 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:40:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3190 invoked by uid 504); 1 Sep 2008 10:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Sep 2008 10:40:09 -0000 Message-ID: <48BBC689.5080504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:40:09 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 12:40:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bbc696134161838542571 Ooops. I forgot to comment on the wierd out of focus highlights. I haven't a clue. Chuck Norcutt Peter Klein wrote: > Today I experimented with an old 135/3.5 Olympus OM tele on the > E-510. It's like using a 270mm lens on a 35mm camera. Manual focus, manual > stop-down, aperture priority metering, and in-body image stabilization. I > focused wide open, then counted clicks down f/8 to shoot. > > This is the best shot from today, a natural abstract with a crow and some > electrical wires: > > > Now, check this out: > > Behind this typical childhood scene is a weird optical effect. Out of focus > highlight disks are greenish donuts surrounding a reddish core. Here's a > 1:1 crop showing the effect more clearly. See the highlights on the > woman's glasses, bolts and washers on the bench, and cris-crosses on the > fence behind. > > > A couple more scenes from the park with the 135: > > > > Focusing is difficult. If I keep using this lens, or my 100/2.8, I'm going > to want a focus confirmation chip on the lens adapter, and/or a Katz Eye > screen. Anyone with experience with either of these--how well do they work? > > --Peter > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 7:19 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 15:28:12 2008 Received: (qmail 32574 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 13:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 13:28:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1C3C3197; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:28:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:28:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3839C2E02 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:28:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1547131rvb.29 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:28:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=eDDoyUBNxi2rp8Xsgzub+3VfEb6OPs4GQQ0t+xui7wU=; b=IJbDsLKeLKQdfhk/8B/CStC6X8EAB9/SqBKkny7uHm3hK8XNnCvd3sXpSUY24i9ViL pRZU6NLAlpf1AERjGcb90YIeomO3tR6fT5I+xubkmu1jmje15BuINaFi1joElGxc5HTd witX2Hi1xg1Km+WEZViY8lsqH59Bs8J4xYa40= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=cP39hBh2QotMyN7UEcAtt6QInUqFDwKWXkyz14FezeU5Sf0GPkFT1MCeUaj+6MtV4j q1gr/faFKGhZjXSmb/pMyNHpqkIglyP6I3iqZ0nma+8gF+XikjyxxNyOgVUwNPtjoOOB Xj3DANoU3S8iTbkxjicJ0PGBaQyw01qGTqKAY= Received: by 10.141.96.21 with SMTP id y21mr3459810rvl.132.1220275680105; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.178.20 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 06:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:28:00 +0200 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? In-Reply-To: <48BB4C4B.9080903@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48BB4C4B.9080903@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikooh@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 15:28:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bbedec115591993019900 Hello, I am using Photomatix, both stand alone and the PS plug-in, and think it is very fine software. It is not cheap however, I was lucky to get it at a discount. I have no samples on line, but can send an image if you like. Iwert 2008/9/1 Chuck Norcutt > Anyone use CombineZP for HDR image stacking. I've been playing with it > today and gotten very frustrated. Worse garbage comes out (massive > monotone halos) than what I put in so I assume I'm doing something > wrong. Seems I've used its predecessor before with better results but > it's not working for me now. > > Anyone use PS for HDR images. I haven't tried that yet. > > Chuck Norcutt > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 15:59:03 2008 Received: (qmail 15989 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 13:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 13:59:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56577C4283; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:58:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:58:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132E5C41BD for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:58:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 29492 invoked by uid 504); 1 Sep 2008 13:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Sep 2008 13:58:19 -0000 Message-ID: <48BBF4FB.4010109@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:58:19 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? References: <48BB4C4B.9080903@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 15:59:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bbf527292003675314703 I've seen samples from Photomatix. (Most overdone by overzealous users IMHO) But that's not the fault of the software. The reason I don't own it is that I've not been willing to pay the freight... at least so far. After I wrote the note below I started playing with PhotoShop HDR and discovered that it was capable of doing what I wanted once I understood what PS HDR was really all about and the limitations imposed by the current version. PS HDR simply builds a 32 bit image file encompassing the full dynamic range of the set of images fed in... period. It does not attempt to compress the range to the visible or printable range of an 8 bit JPEG. Processing the 32 bit image is rather limited by a restricted tool set and one can't even make a duplicate layer. What I did discover, however, is that after converting down to 16 bit I was able to use the shadow/highlight control to accomplish what I wanted. I had taken several image sequences of a sunset on the cape. But when the exposure was short enough to capture the color in the sky the foreground was nearly black. When the foreground had visible detail the sky was washed out. I left the overall exposure of the 32 bit image such that the sky showed good color. That was preserved in the 16 bit image and the shadow/highlight control was able to pull the shadows up enough to show the desired degree of foreground detail. Then, adjusting the color balance in the control to 90% from the default of 50 put some redness into the foreground which approximated my recollection of the scene. Anyhow, I got exactly what I wanted. The histogram on the dark side shows some choppiness from raising the brightness level there but I don't believe that will be visible in a print. Chuck Norcutt iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > Hello, > I am using Photomatix, both stand alone and the PS plug-in, and think it is > very fine software. > It is not cheap however, I was lucky to get it at a discount. I have no > samples on line, but can send an image if you like. > > Iwert > > 2008/9/1 Chuck Norcutt > >> Anyone use CombineZP for HDR image stacking. I've been playing with it >> today and gotten very frustrated. Worse garbage comes out (massive >> monotone halos) than what I put in so I assume I'm doing something >> wrong. Seems I've used its predecessor before with better results but >> it's not working for me now. >> >> Anyone use PS for HDR images. I haven't tried that yet. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 7:19 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 16:22:45 2008 Received: (qmail 19630 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 14:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 14:22:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39563C3C63; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:22:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:22:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22049C3C83 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:22:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-34-205.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.34.205]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m81EMNon027876 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:22:24 -0300 Message-ID: <48BBFA9D.7030502@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:22:21 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? References: <48BB4C4B.9080903@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48BB4C4B.9080903@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080831-0, 31/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 16:22:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bbfab5265521744846740 Sit down before clicking _ :) http://www.flickr.com/groups/trabajarconphotoshop/discuss/72157603578915682/ think this should be read together with: http://photo.net/digital-darkroom-forum/00QW6A Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Anyone use PS for HDR images. I haven't tried that yet. > > Chuck Norcutt > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 17:13:48 2008 Received: (qmail 30644 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 15:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 15:13:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B463C40D6; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:13:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:13:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687D3C3ECF for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:12:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22854 invoked by uid 504); 1 Sep 2008 15:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Sep 2008 15:12:42 -0000 Message-ID: <48BC066A.3040305@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:12:42 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? References: <48BB4C4B.9080903@chucknorcutt.com> <48BBFA9D.7030502@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48BBFA9D.7030502@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 17:13:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bc06ac217881234514069 Sit down is right. Overprocessed, oversaturated "art" I guess. It's not photography. I suppose mine isn't either but all I was attempting to do was capture the scene as I could see it with my eyes. I think I've been successful in that. I'm pretty busy at the moment but if I get a chance I'll post the image later. It's the scene from the back yard of Kurt Vonnegut's house in Barnstable, Mass. on Cape Cod. Some lawn chairs overlooking Hinckley Pond at sunset. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Sit down before clicking _ :) > > http://www.flickr.com/groups/trabajarconphotoshop/discuss/72157603578915682/ > > think this should be read together with: > > http://photo.net/digital-darkroom-forum/00QW6A > > Fernando. > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Anyone use PS for HDR images. I haven't tried that yet. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 7:19 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 19:01:31 2008 Received: (qmail 27239 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 17:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 17:01:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F411EC3443; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:01:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:01:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DB8C2D2D for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:01:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so912299yxj.89 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:00:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject :date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:in-reply-to:thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=EEtZOgTi8nDKCy66k5cd+auYT+JZ3+/ASdH2SOLOYNg=; b=H7Q+2lAEyXCUh4doG+CcteR/HT92LBnjpIs3DDm1dGIHC4+7ZNqSJPhMA0MhoMS4qU kHA4g4bnm2PBXmPgzgV6KjNSL3CYkIbJf7t7T9Y6LhZolpNmpYAZ+BUcHBAwyaQBsQOZ jW0U0z+1CboOyn+PwzwcG4GioPWc3Cn/1J2Ig= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :thread-index:x-mimeole; b=v3YYhWKZXX3XrH2fb+/15Jx5GO1eb2Si23xtzIAfrx31UYh6kygDV6dLaiHqFetKjf v4x2YsCRxFn9YFKFaDTUNdhUeFE2YX9Kh9DYi6Yhep1nZ2XRn8KxdGjJGv7GT6Z1sjIx XV71RaLaCjHnpEn/tD12kZX6xkyLKyBapidK8= Received: by 10.151.114.9 with SMTP id r9mr8984246ybm.108.1220288434640; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DSPT60 ( [216.174.58.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm7705239ywi.1.2008.09.01.10.00.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:00:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel Sepke" To: References: <48BB4C4B.9080903@chucknorcutt.com> <48BBFA9D.7030502@adinet.com.uy> Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:00:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <48BBFA9D.7030502@adinet.com.uy> Thread-Index: AckMPkdFOlK73/BSSeqPVnNNC37wUwAFZhLQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: daniel.sepke@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 19:01:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bc1feb292281499373980 I always find this variety of HDR work to be like a visual equivalent of the loudness wars in popular music audio production... I do find some of it interesting at points but they can be so "loud" I couldn't have one on the wall for any length of time. Thanks for the links Fernando. Dan S. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Fernando Gonzalez Gentile Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? Sit down before clicking _ :) http://www.flickr.com/groups/trabajarconphotoshop/discuss/72157603578915682/ think this should be read together with: http://photo.net/digital-darkroom-forum/00QW6A Fernando. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 19:09:51 2008 Received: (qmail 22429 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 17:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 17:09:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B31DC2977; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:09:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:09:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.63]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 50F2CC3030 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:09:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7566 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2008 17:09:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=2BBvmpj3QSuUHI3FgIJMQnkG8HMayOyPLe6DJDkm3ldXYR/bg8BX9+OjrDzcArxt+NSeRuEz1ZAJysEijE6BqLq/wR8RnAZbcqqntLzu/rdyZVBhfH8ZjgyxTfga6i9Pe5PhtGJ8Ih9uycXCuRJgTJNX0QQJ9mIfnITN8vfQpL8=; X-YMail-OSG: WgKsHtAVM1kowp4nzur_823JWahBxbYhZzsTboR9urBKY8iUQQKulFqeRHQaCVCyYyKKgR6zjY8.8XqGUQg7ygIaLZZzAMiYlHAOcY0WLw-- Received: from [72.75.206.100] by web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:09:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:09:38 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48BB4C4B.9080903@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <651497.7299.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 19:09:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bc21df235683675314703 I am using Photomatix. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 19:12:20 2008 Received: (qmail 21778 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 17:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 17:12:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FB5C3396; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:12:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:12:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.62]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 23D98C31CA for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:12:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27083 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2008 17:12:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=WVDGOsL4DNBc311xCzafktpvtmVywZI5D42G1iwOWT0crqFV95lGdVLoK8/x6O4KosIal2V7cu8GIF4aKyq25zjwOOBtha4u9xhw05AG1M/pXTvzwDa/5b8vL7gO8h223F72MzimtM0+YP0detvRpole322t/ZvxkoOE5U3IDvE=; X-YMail-OSG: sGUQ5LIVM1lvPK4yYuDZ6_0.LZqMaonMtkFf5A1fHTbjzCIZ8bMFmyNfIDvvFRdS25VbjZbnGRxuYQ4LhTa9UcCJEGDaTX3XzkkHWR8C1AgmqHDfljLmqq5Qr5oSyWgOSa8- Received: from [72.75.206.100] by web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:12:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:12:06 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <384498.26669.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 19:12:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bc2274142321744846740 $100 bucks is pretty inexpensive for a software. In comparison to PS CS3, Photomatix is a steal. You can get a student discount which give you a significant discount. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 19:48:02 2008 Received: (qmail 8068 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 17:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 17:48:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07882C2E32; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:47:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:47:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A8BC3134 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:47:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18358 invoked by uid 504); 1 Sep 2008 17:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Sep 2008 17:47:49 -0000 Message-ID: <48BC2AC4.2040403@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:47:48 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? References: <384498.26669.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <384498.26669.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 19:48:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bc2ad291171234514069 But I already own PS CS3 and it did what I wanted it to after a bit of stumbling about. Net cost just a little time. I haven't qualified as an official student for a long, long time. Chuck Norcutt AS wrote: > $100 bucks is pretty inexpensive for a software. In comparison to PS > CS3, Photomatix is a steal. You can get a student discount which give > you a significant discount. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 20:33:30 2008 Received: (qmail 29717 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 18:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 18:33:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C8FC2DFA; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:33:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:33:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.67]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 41029C3298 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:33:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5461 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2008 18:33:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=rEuryHN049aridvtYMjEydwKnaoy3smk0y4sn2JCksqnfxal3e8gMcIVIrqE+PrAEtPLF1Y6+RCSe7QxbOk3BWewPoOBVDEZScii+DO+aKh7sG/ejEYjrhCJkOdfxH9Lzn3ihpjq2FjQ8CWXqv17lMkztnWT9ufhA6oZpyv+YH0=; X-YMail-OSG: SysbM4wVM1lN_wz9i58s4fdicLJfPHfI5XCu3fymjbidQuMSjwr4kF8Vzk2W3qByog-- Received: from [72.75.206.100] by web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:33:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:33:16 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48BC2AC4.2040403@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <731360.4502.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 20:33:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bc357a151709347015869 Then you should be all set. I didnt realize that you had CS3. There are HDR tutorials all over the net. I do agree that HDR can be overdone, however it can also be beneficial in bringing out details, particularly in areas which are very dark. I took the family to Pittsburgh for the weekend. Came back with some decent photos. There are a couple of HDR's, including a BW which I converted from an HDR image. The photos of the animals are NON-hdr but tonemapped using Photomatix: http://flickr.com/photos/4love/ ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 21:21:49 2008 Received: (qmail 3974 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 19:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 19:21:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE8CC3737; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:21:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:21:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7-qfe0.srvr.bell.ca [206.47.199.165]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F9FC2859 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:21:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip11.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.91]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20080901192136.ETMT1779.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip11.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:21:36 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmkEAIDZu0hMRzGS/2dsb2JhbAAIgW6xZIFp Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279734162.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.49.146]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 01 Sep 2008 15:29:13 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:21:34 -0400 Subject: [OM] What I'm doing in 2008/2009 [was: What I'm doing in 2007] From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: What I'm doing in 2008/2009 [was: What I'm doing in 2007] Thread-Index: Accrv7bc9XS6QZeyEduGwwAX8gK7wHgqDtAq In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 21:21:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bc40cd16163675314703 Chris, Rather embarrassing to say, but that Web site project stalled for a long time due to a number of serious family issues, and I'm only just getting back to it this summer. I've looked at the various PHP-based image gallery packages available, and (of the lot) decided that so far I like 'singapore' best. Thanks to Moose for the inspiration. I haven't got very far with creating and populating galleries, hence the "2008/2009" comment, but you're welcome to look at what's there now: I'll try to get to the "5 new per month" in parallel with going through the (small) digital and (larger) film back catalogue, mining for images I like. One thing that's become apparent already is the need for a small number of top-level galleries and more depth in the hierarchy. I suspect 'singapore' doesn't make it easy to move galleries, so my FTP client or Dreamweaver may be getting quite a workout as I go. Cheers, Michael On 12/29/06 10:08 PM, "Michael Collins" wrote: > On 12/29/06 12:52 PM, "Chris Barker" wrote: > >> And put more photos on your website, Michael??? :-) I decided to >> look at www.ownvolition.com to find out where you come from etc ... >> It's interesting, but there's only one photo on some pages. The >> trouble is, it's better than mine! > > The site's actually frozen in time some years ago - it's a project that > started with great intentions but I never got back to, and the images are > just placeholders (from 4x6 commercial prints and a cheap scanner ). > >> What about a deal, since my website is so out of date I am ashamed to >> accept it as my own? At least 5 new decent photos on the website per >> month? And there must be a navigation system between them, even >> though tabbed browsing makes moving between simple html pages pretty >> easy. > > I'll take you up on that, if you'll give me 'til January 31 latest to > deliver the first month's instalment :-) . That should give me time to get > some new images (with the E-1) plus revamp the site to present them in a > better way. I'll be trolling other list members' sites for inspiration. > > If you don't think the photos are "decent", do I have to replace them...? > > Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 21:37:48 2008 Received: (qmail 29408 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 19:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 19:37:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1936C30E4; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:37:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:37:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29950C2E23 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:37:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip11.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.91]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20080901193735.QZPF1599.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip11.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:37:35 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmkEAMTgu0hMRzGS/2dsb2JhbAAIgW6xW4Fp Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279734162.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.49.146]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 01 Sep 2008 15:45:11 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:37:33 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: I little minor self promotion From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: I little minor self promotion Thread-Index: Accrv7bc9XS6QZeyEduGwwAX8gK7wHgqnbcI In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 21:37:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bc448b288391993019900 Hopping on the self-promotion bandwagon... I didn't take many photos last fall when I was in NZ for a week and Oz for a week, and the ones I did take I thought were really just holiday snaps. But I cleaned up a few of the ones from Orakei Korako, a volcanic area south of Rotorua in NZ's North Island, and submitted them in the spring to the camera club's last Nature competition of the 07/08 year. I was rather pleasantly surprised to receive one Honourable Mention and one Runner-Up (admittedly in the "Beginner" category where I compete, since I haven't won enough points to advance beyond that). They're in the galleries I've just started creating: Honourable Mention "Mineral Pool, Orakei Korako NZ": Runner-Up "Mineral Trails, Orakei Korako NZ": You can see the subject of the second image on the right-hand side of the first. And yes, the colours are like that - no HDR here :-) . Michael > -------Original Message------- > From: NSURIT@xxxxxxx > Subject: [OM] I little minor self promotion > Sent: Aug 27 '08 19:54 > > Those who have been around for any time on this list know that I encourage > folks to trot their work out for others to see. > [snip] > <{B^) Bill Barber ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 1 22:06:16 2008 Received: (qmail 26387 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 20:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 20:06:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A49C2D29; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:06:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:06:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8705C2CCD for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:06:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c80.3590e403 (42808) for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:05:57 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:05:57 EDT Subject: [OM] Re: I little minor self promotion To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 1 22:06:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bc4b38242851234514069 Nice images . . . makes me want to go to NZ. Congratulations on stepping out there and for sharing with the list. Well done! Bill Barber. In a message dated 9/1/2008 1:37:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, l43g20th@sympatico.ca writes: Hopping on the self-promotion bandwagon... I didn't take many photos last fall when I was in NZ for a week and Oz for a week, and the ones I did take I thought were really just holiday snaps. But I cleaned up a few of the ones from Orakei Korako, a volcanic area south of Rotorua in NZ's North Island, and submitted them in the spring to the camera club's last Nature competition of the 07/08 year. I was rather pleasantly surprised to receive one Honourable Mention and one Runner-Up (admittedly in the "Beginner" category where I compete, since I haven't won enough points to advance beyond that). They're in the galleries I've just started creating: Honourable Mention "Mineral Pool, Orakei Korako NZ": Runner-Up "Mineral Trails, Orakei Korako NZ": You can see the subject of the second image on the right-hand side of the first. And yes, the colours are like that - no HDR here :-) . Michael > -------Original Message------- > From: NSURIT@xxxxxxx > Subject: [OM] I little minor self promotion > Sent: Aug 27 '08 19:54 > > Those who have been around for any time on this list know that I encourage > folks to trot their work out for others to see. > [snip] > <{B^) Bill Barber ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 2 00:35:00 2008 Received: (qmail 15146 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 22:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 22:34:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C25C2B93; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:34:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:34:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.169]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29BBC2BF4 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:34:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so2052585wfd.5 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:34:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=uGMEekzfkPN76n1KTtFNYU9YUr5X+ogdSeRcBHb5p0g=; b=mZhrgmhT7BSTLjO9BE+7MWa7YZFZJY2+67BGFKagB5MA44fI5xeVb0jYqjZzRcEIFu yWvLpM2EkbWHQ7NMXP23p0e5ucQAHqyQ0r5QGPeSRUXgdjJtPNvT6ecnzfGXVmwf4nVF tFVIWihG6V9qt4dzN40yYJ/q9VjgktQGJvOLg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=JqPBVd56KywcpdRh7QdF6u/M9fLvuJ6E33F/q3MBMurbAL822EpGytPGxkcd0byDQ0 B4+l2RKZ/m2C5KzJLGsDnU4/xc801KcYobB2kS9Fp4UjL1RuxiUwIpyvVjo+JKxB8/37 iUOqHUsSzuOjDlegGsKWJfsjMjSGruTw/6rI4= Received: by 10.143.5.21 with SMTP id h21mr2273175wfi.175.1220308488007; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.173.10 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 06:34:47 +0800 From: "Sandy Harris" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: E-510 for a Leica M shooter In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20080831171406.02769668@mail.threshinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080831171406.02769668@mail.threshinc.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: sandyinchina@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 2 00:35:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bc6e144174673671140 Peter Klein wrote: > Ergonomics: The E-1 was better. More dedicated buttons, and, two control > dials to the E-510's one. I like the E-510's feel in the hand better than > the E-1. Neither come close to a film M or an M8 with a Thumbs-Up. What's a Thumbs-Up? -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 2 00:44:30 2008 Received: (qmail 22759 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 22:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 22:44:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D140FC2F5D; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:44:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:44:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEE7C34EA for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:44:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 37so1618742wra.17 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:44:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=OXP602e8bNCZ3TMJ6Vw+uQPMff3gYi5QKXv9soY7kUQ=; b=TCR1R0UVQQnQgcw6ajYiue/qZrLkpPyX+owZhuWWzEhoLtPTrIECfVQv+Ecb+AqwMD eOm7nHuF3LsWI4Pg/j2k8yd3/apJFNmjC/eb5zQjN2aGyIcqp7Mf2B9oVj7Np6zaUdeF Rj3a0PF9TWyOKACK9RZvAa4eRYolTLTiwQm4A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=PTOGvRk5SCdlOXabaybTRwXP2VsoSsBXnVaoiAY1KL0yCBmLZQmR8pXGdB/3PFKHfX YY35bryz5Bf7QXrNLmYuY+41GzD/nbcvkspXi/BAZdLrxECoQu6eE1GaJXL/1n6ZON7r EiwjFr4NfZ6W/YwNR84dR8S+TQko5NatW03UI= Received: by 10.90.87.7 with SMTP id k7mr8494763agb.101.1220309054367; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.115.5 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:44:14 -0700 From: "Warren Kato" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 In-Reply-To: <48BBC689.5080504@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> <48BBC689.5080504@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wkkato@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 2 00:44:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bc704e116531035110158 Looks like specular highlights. A very high intensity small spot that is creating some aberrations, perhaps in the lens coating, that was not designed for because the lens engineers didn't design for such an unusual situation. I've gotten something similar when shooting sand in the bright sun. A very bring spot of sun will bloom out and make these little discs of light, although not colored as in this example. Here's an example that might be related; don't know for sure. http://www.120scan.us/i/W2034914b.jpg This is dew on a spider web. Warren On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:40 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Ooops. I forgot to comment on the wierd out of focus highlights. I > haven't a clue. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Peter Klein wrote: >> Today I experimented with an old 135/3.5 Olympus OM tele on the >> E-510. It's like using a 270mm lens on a 35mm camera. Manual focus, manual >> stop-down, aperture priority metering, and in-body image stabilization. I >> focused wide open, then counted clicks down f/8 to shoot. >> >> This is the best shot from today, a natural abstract with a crow and some >> electrical wires: >> >> >> Now, check this out: >> >> Behind this typical childhood scene is a weird optical effect. Out of focus >> highlight disks are greenish donuts surrounding a reddish core. Here's a >> 1:1 crop showing the effect more clearly. See the highlights on the >> woman's glasses, bolts and washers on the bench, and cris-crosses on the >> fence behind. >> >> >> A couple more scenes from the park with the 135: >> >> >> >> Focusing is difficult. If I keep using this lens, or my 100/2.8, I'm going >> to want a focus confirmation chip on the lens adapter, and/or a Katz Eye >> screen. Anyone with experience with either of these--how well do they work? >> >> --Peter >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 7:19 AM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 2 01:36:35 2008 Received: (qmail 14200 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2008 23:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 23:36:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AF9C2EA8; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 01:36:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:36:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6CAC382C for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 01:36:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 8720 invoked by uid 504); 1 Sep 2008 23:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Sep 2008 23:36:18 -0000 Message-ID: <48BC7C72.1040305@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:36:18 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> <48BBC689.5080504@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 2 01:36:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bc7c82271481499373980 Perhaps just ordinary refraction through the water drops. However, some appear to have central bands running through them of a different color. I've no idea why. Chuck Norcutt Warren Kato wrote: > Looks like specular highlights. A very high intensity small spot that > is creating some aberrations, perhaps in the lens coating, that was > not designed for because the lens engineers didn't design for such an > unusual situation. I've gotten something similar when shooting sand > in the bright sun. A very bring spot of sun will bloom out and make > these little discs of light, although not colored as in this example. > > Here's an example that might be related; don't know for sure. > > http://www.120scan.us/i/W2034914b.jpg > > This is dew on a spider web. > > Warren > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:40 AM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: >> Ooops. I forgot to comment on the wierd out of focus highlights. I >> haven't a clue. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Peter Klein wrote: >>> Today I experimented with an old 135/3.5 Olympus OM tele on the >>> E-510. It's like using a 270mm lens on a 35mm camera. Manual focus, manual >>> stop-down, aperture priority metering, and in-body image stabilization. I >>> focused wide open, then counted clicks down f/8 to shoot. >>> >>> This is the best shot from today, a natural abstract with a crow and some >>> electrical wires: >>> >>> >>> Now, check this out: >>> >>> Behind this typical childhood scene is a weird optical effect. Out of focus >>> highlight disks are greenish donuts surrounding a reddish core. Here's a >>> 1:1 crop showing the effect more clearly. See the highlights on the >>> woman's glasses, bolts and washers on the bench, and cris-crosses on the >>> fence behind. >>> >>> >>> A couple more scenes from the park with the 135: >>> >>> >>> >>> Focusing is difficult. If I keep using this lens, or my 100/2.8, I'm going >>> to want a focus confirmation chip on the lens adapter, and/or a Katz Eye >>> screen. 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He gave several as he passed by Quanzhou. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Harris" To: Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:34 PM Subject: [OM] Re: E-510 for a Leica M shooter > > Peter Klein wrote: > >> Ergonomics: The E-1 was better. More dedicated buttons, and, two >> control >> dials to the E-510's one. I like the E-510's feel in the hand better >> than >> the E-1. Neither come close to a film M or an M8 with a Thumbs-Up. > > What's a Thumbs-Up? > > -- > Sandy Harris, > Quanzhou, Fujian, China > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 2 03:24:16 2008 Received: (qmail 27641 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 2008 01:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 01:24:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3788C394D; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 03:24:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 03:24:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F3CC2C31 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 03:24:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.88]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m821O1CV032660 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:24:01 +1000 Message-Id: <200809020124.m821O1CV032660@mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:24:01 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:24:01 +1000 Subject: [OM] Model designations, etc. X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 2 03:24:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bc95c0173301470116606 Looks like Olympus aren't averse to "borrowing" other company's model designations: ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 2 05:33:37 2008 Received: (qmail 23618 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 2008 03:33:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 03:33:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53093C3274; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 05:33:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:33:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cerebus.winsite.com (cerebus.winsite.com [199.26.180.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8622DC326C for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 05:33:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local (pool-71-171-239-235.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.171.239.235]) by cerebus.winsite.com (8.14.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id m82322oV001994 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:02:03 -0400 Message-ID: <48BCACA5.5010505@ctgonline.org> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:01:57 -0500 From: Paul Braun Organization: ML Motorsports User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: No =?ISO-8859-1?Q?se=F1oritas?= here..... References: <48BB3237.7080801@m93.myzen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48BB3237.7080801@m93.myzen.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: cygnus@ctgonline.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 2 05:33:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bcb41142562336821329 Martyn Smoothy wrote: > Just a load of Norman ruins - Castle Acre Priory in Norfolk, took a walk > with the e-1 on Friday - hope a few of them may be of interest to some > of you... :-) > > - http://archaeoimages.com/Colour/Castle_Acre_Priory-01/index.html > Fascinating! Great shots, wonderful subject. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 2 05:46:37 2008 Received: (qmail 32488 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 2008 03:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 03:46:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4EEC320E; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 05:46:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:46:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B7875C31F0 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 05:46:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1733 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2008 03:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.182.200) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 03:46:16 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080831171406.02769668@mail.threshinc.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <1C85E511-D85F-4EC3-8C15-701197CDA0CF@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: E-510 for a Leica M shooter Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:46:16 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 2 05:46:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bcb71d64181470116606 A grip device that slots into the hot shoe and provides a hook grip for the right thumb. Comes in long or short, with or without a hot shoe. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/09/2008, at 8:34 AM, Sandy Harris wrote: >> Ergonomics: The E-1 was better. More dedicated buttons, and, two >> control >> dials to the E-510's one. I like the E-510's feel in the hand >> better than >> the E-1. Neither come close to a film M or an M8 with a Thumbs-Up. > > What's a Thumbs-Up? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 2 06:00:04 2008 Received: (qmail 2432 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 2008 04:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 04:00:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49039C32AA; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 05:59:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:59:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A343C2CD1 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 05:59:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.239]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m823xmdj019521 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:59:48 +1000 Message-Id: <200809020359.m823xmdj019521@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.236]) by webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:59:48 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:59:48 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: E-510 for a Leica M shooter X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 2 06:00:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bcba44204542070262475 > Andrew Fildes wrote: > > > A grip device that slots into the hot shoe and provides a hook grip > for the right thumb. > Comes in long or short, with or without a hot shoe. > It looks very "daggy", and that's probably what it would be called by Leica if they made it (goes well with the "nooky"). ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 2 06:08:47 2008 Received: (qmail 11097 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 2008 04:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 04:08:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D467C3527; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 06:08:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 06:08:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CBD3C2BEC for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 06:08:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9232 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2008 04:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.182.200) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 04:08:28 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200809020359.m823xmdj019521@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200809020359.m823xmdj019521@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <4E5A59CE-F8FE-43D2-8A9A-842463207295@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: E-510 for a Leica M shooter Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:08:28 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 2 06:08:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bcbc4f325869117217770 Anything goes well with NOOKY... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/09/2008, at 1:59 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > It looks very "daggy", and that's probably what it would be called > by Leica if they made it (goes well with the "nooky"). ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 2 15:01:33 2008 Received: (qmail 10012 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 2008 13:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 13:01:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A637DC2F35; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:01:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:01:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B16C2BC7 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:01:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KaVVN-0003gR-DC for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:01:10 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:01:03 +0100 Message-ID: <00fd01c90cfb$f5bbcce0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckMFKohtKEirAApQ8+THIP4/ljKuAA5S8mg In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080901-0, 01/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8137/Tue Sep 2 03:07:16 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 2 15:01:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bd392d173637927319144 Nice work, Peter, and good to see you back in the fold! As far as the focus problem is concerned, I can offer a couple of pieces of advice based on my experiences using OM glass on E-bodies: Though I have not used a KatzEye, I did try an aftermarket focus screen in an E-1. The screen has a split image focusing aid, just like an OM 1-3 screen (i.e. without the microsprisms). Manual focusing is much easier - but metering becomes inaccurate with all lenses (even DZ), and by varying amounts depending on the lens. Flash metering is pretty much impossible. I have also used focus confirmation chips on E-410 and E-3 (the version I had is not compatible with E-1), and they do work. They are sensitive (as they should be) so it is very easy to focus through the in-focus point with a manual lens (just as with MF cameras). The difference is that, unlike with a split image where you can see the image coming into focus, with the focus confirmation chip it's either in or out of focus, there is no "nearly there" indication. A further handicap is that there is no indication of which focus point is the one triggering the in-focus indicator. The E-410 itslef will indicate which of the three focus points is active, by way of a red LED. The focus confirmation chip does not, which is hardly helpful (though I suppose I could have manually selected only the central focus point). Knowing what I now know, I would use liveview. The E-3, on the other hand, is much much easier to use with MF lenses, as the VF is noticably bigger and brighter. I have learned the hard way that there was a reason for Olympus to be so reluctant to release the OM adaptor! -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Peter Klein Sent: 01 September 2008 10:25 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 Today I experimented with an old 135/3.5 Olympus OM tele on the E-510. It's like using a 270mm lens on a 35mm camera. Manual focus, manual stop-down, aperture priority metering, and in-body image stabilization. I focused wide open, then counted clicks down f/8 to shoot. --snip Focusing is difficult. If I keep using this lens, or my 100/2.8, I'm going to want a focus confirmation chip on the lens adapter, and/or a Katz Eye screen. Anyone with experience with either of these--how well do they work? --Peter ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 2 16:00:20 2008 Received: (qmail 19782 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 2008 14:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 14:00:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9591C2AC5; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:00:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:00:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A00C2CB7 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:00:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24872 invoked by uid 504); 2 Sep 2008 14:00:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Sep 2008 14:00:06 -0000 Message-ID: <48BD46E6.1000000@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:00:06 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> <00fd01c90cfb$f5bbcce0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <00fd01c90cfb$f5bbcce0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 2 16:00:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bd46f413283675314703 KatzEye claims little impact on metering with the E-510 screen but only for ZD lenses. They warn that: "Meter performance may vary significantly when using non-ZD lenses with a mount adapter." However, they also state: "Please note that all metering testing was done using Zuiko Digital (ZD) lenses." It's difficult to square these two statements if they've never tested non-ZD lenses. I think I'd call them to see what they really do and don't know. ps: Which focus confirmation adapter worked? I never use anything but the center focus point and can't imagine allowing the camera to choose the focus point. Chuck Norcutt Piers Hemy wrote: > Nice work, Peter, and good to see you back in the fold! As far as the focus > problem is concerned, I can offer a couple of pieces of advice based on my > experiences using OM glass on E-bodies: > > Though I have not used a KatzEye, I did try an aftermarket focus screen in > an E-1. The screen has a split image focusing aid, just like an OM 1-3 > screen (i.e. without the microsprisms). Manual focusing is much easier - > but metering becomes inaccurate with all lenses (even DZ), and by varying > amounts depending on the lens. Flash metering is pretty much impossible. > > I have also used focus confirmation chips on E-410 and E-3 (the version I > had is not compatible with E-1), and they do work. They are sensitive (as > they should be) so it is very easy to focus through the in-focus point with > a manual lens (just as with MF cameras). The difference is that, unlike > with a split image where you can see the image coming into focus, with the > focus confirmation chip it's either in or out of focus, there is no "nearly > there" indication. A further handicap is that there is no indication of > which focus point is the one triggering the in-focus indicator. The E-410 > itslef will indicate which of the three focus points is active, by way of a > red LED. The focus confirmation chip does not, which is hardly helpful > (though I suppose I could have manually selected only the central focus > point). > > Knowing what I now know, I would use liveview. The E-3, on the other hand, > is much much easier to use with MF lenses, as the VF is noticably bigger and > brighter. > > I have learned the hard way that there was a reason for Olympus to be so > reluctant to release the OM adaptor! > > -- > Piers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Peter Klein > Sent: 01 September 2008 10:25 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 > > Today I experimented with an old 135/3.5 Olympus OM tele on the E-510. It's > like using a 270mm lens on a 35mm camera. Manual focus, manual stop-down, > aperture priority metering, and in-body image stabilization. I focused wide > open, then counted clicks down f/8 to shoot. > > --snip > > Focusing is difficult. If I keep using this lens, or my 100/2.8, I'm going > to want a focus confirmation chip on the lens adapter, and/or a Katz Eye > screen. Anyone with experience with either of these--how well do they work? > > --Peter > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1647 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 6:02 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 2 18:20:32 2008 Received: (qmail 9831 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 2008 16:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 16:20:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8046C30C2; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:20:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:20:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8596FC3041 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:20:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so415312nfi.19 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:20:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=HXSfRJ0NumpDILwdqvU7+nYWNDETfmrocz+9JvSkp6Y=; b=gXSdFCPGeqD+pQhxf21Fw//sGregaf7FABds5/2DXaa0hkBq/9Rho1vXo0iryWcBTq 0Cu9x+BOs2Gx6LKayKQMdLLJ0UDhwyyRh12M8iamTGaI5FEEEMQtMe7zFzbBwClc1VNP W8DZNqolDJpoV2QmetiDD8fov9rjx6C2PBYXk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=eWCBn+xqsA6Vk43CM0BTiytrrg8nvrGaXUJ4f0rhWjQbOeHnTwMThiWM9Gx4BUpFmE WlNvUOLcEmvQWJZ4ZkV2zzZ19gY+JG37PBGW9q+9BChH/Caamhyjp/mF+YOM+/oHi/ny qFolbIvRMLrWgT0lCRPSsyh4yhBax07rsisug= Received: by 10.187.208.15 with SMTP id k15mr2062237faq.102.1220372419956; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.187.158.17 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:20:19 +0100 From: "Ian Nichols" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] The last Weekend's work MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ian.a.nichols@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 2 18:20:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bd67d0125774673671140 It was that time of year again, the time when I go to a little music festival in Derbyshire and take lots of pictures. I've kept it down to the best 95 shots for my fotopic gallery, and the image size down to what will fit in 1024x768 pixels. All done with an E-3. Lenses used were 14-54, 40-150, Sigma 30/1.4 and, just for a few, 7-14. May contain senoritas, definitely contains senoras and several bambinos, plus assorted crusty old bluesmen, extrovert young things and and occasional expression of serenity. http://www.ian955.fotopic.net/c1572363.html -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 2 18:32:43 2008 Received: (qmail 491 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 2008 16:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 16:32:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BCFC2B1D; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:32:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:32:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B5CC306A for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:32:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080902163229H0600a0u6ce>; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:32:30 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: The last Weekend's work Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:32:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 2 18:32:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bd6aab153949347015869 Ian, Looks like a busy weekend. I like the dancers. Thanks for sharing. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Nichols" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: [OM] The last Weekend's work > > It was that time of year again, the time when I go to a little music > festival in Derbyshire and take lots of pictures. I've kept it down > to the best 95 shots for my fotopic gallery, and the image size down > to what will fit in 1024x768 pixels. > > All done with an E-3. Lenses used were 14-54, 40-150, Sigma 30/1.4 > and, just for a few, 7-14. > > May contain senoritas, definitely contains senoras and several > bambinos, plus assorted crusty old bluesmen, extrovert young things > and and occasional expression of serenity. > > http://www.ian955.fotopic.net/c1572363.html > > -- > Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience > prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* > naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is > no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. > > -Daria Morgendorffer > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 2 20:20:22 2008 Received: (qmail 462 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 2008 18:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 18:20:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F237AC30BB; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:20:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:20:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B79BC2E32 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:20:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30244 invoked by uid 504); 2 Sep 2008 18:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Sep 2008 18:20:08 -0000 Message-ID: <48BD83D8.4000605@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:20:08 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: The last Weekend's work References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 2 20:20:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bd83e6223191257536491 You can post some more of those dancing senoras/itas any time you like. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Ian, > > Looks like a busy weekend. I like the dancers. Thanks for sharing. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Nichols" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:20 AM > Subject: [OM] The last Weekend's work > > >> It was that time of year again, the time when I go to a little music >> festival in Derbyshire and take lots of pictures. I've kept it down >> to the best 95 shots for my fotopic gallery, and the image size down >> to what will fit in 1024x768 pixels. >> >> All done with an E-3. Lenses used were 14-54, 40-150, Sigma 30/1.4 >> and, just for a few, 7-14. >> >> May contain senoritas, definitely contains senoras and several >> bambinos, plus assorted crusty old bluesmen, extrovert young things >> and and occasional expression of serenity. >> >> http://www.ian955.fotopic.net/c1572363.html >> >> -- >> Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience >> prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* >> naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is >> no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. >> >> -Daria Morgendorffer >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1647 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 6:02 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 2 20:52:31 2008 Received: (qmail 8460 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 2008 18:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 18:52:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5CEC2DBE; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:52:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:52:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (fed1rmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.241.40]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D23C2AAC for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:52:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080902185218.IZGV8615.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:52:18 -0400 Received: from microndesktop ([68.231.166.251]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 9usH1a00G5RmP9w03usHLS; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:52:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Johann Thorsson" To: References: <636452.88370.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Desktop intestines, what is the most sensible buy today? Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:52:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: johann@tamu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 2 20:52:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bd8b6f146058512572685 Thank you all for your suggestions. They are helpful. Sorry for the late reply on this end, I was just defending my PhD. There should finally be more time for photography now that is over with. J ----- Original Message ----- From: "AS" To: Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:21 PM Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Desktop intestines, what is the most sensible buy today? > > > Dell (I can hear the grumbles begin). However, Dell has the ability to > package a lot at a reasonable price. Recently saw a deal for a Vostro 400 > w/ two 22" widescreen flat panels for around $650.00. > > > Check dealcatcher.com for Dell deals. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 02:16:59 2008 Received: (qmail 22254 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 00:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 00:16:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAF0C2ECD; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 02:16:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:16:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl37.gs02.gridserver.com (cl37.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70EDC28F2 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 02:16:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-120-179-138.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.120.179.138]:50993 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl37.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Kag39-0006N0-TW for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:16:43 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:16:40 -0400 Subject: [OM] WTB: OM-4T body From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: WTB: OM-4T body Thread-Index: AckNWlYhlNyXpnlNEd2aggAKlchBUg== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 02:16:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bdd77b206681234514069 Hi, You guys might remember a few months ago that I mentioned that my girlfriend wanted an OM-4T body because she had fallen in love with mine. She bought one from KEH that was listed in EX condition for $430 and it arrived today looking beat to hell and with the motor drive cap cross threaded and the viewfinder illuminator lamp very dim compared to my OM-4T bodies. I sent it back for her but she's heartbroken because she wanted this so much. I know a lot of us here have way too many OM bodies laying about. Does anyone have an OM-4T in nice condition that works perfectly that they'd sell me without asking $100,000 like the few I've seen on evilBay? She wants a champaigne colored one but black will do. She's become a very good photographer. Check out her website, which I built for her. http://www.catrinakleven.com Thanks, Chris -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 02:24:51 2008 Received: (qmail 10870 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 00:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 00:24:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08B0C319E; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 02:24:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:24:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3233C2797 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 02:24:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1117 invoked by uid 504); 3 Sep 2008 00:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 00:24:37 -0000 Message-ID: <48BDD944.1030805@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:24:36 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 02:24:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bdd953288517927319144 Hard to believe KEH would list that condition as EX. Sure they didn't accidentally send you the wrong one? They should be taken to task in any case. Unacceptable. Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > Hi, > > You guys might remember a few months ago that I mentioned that my girlfriend > wanted an OM-4T body because she had fallen in love with mine. She bought > one from KEH that was listed in EX condition for $430 and it arrived today > looking beat to hell and with the motor drive cap cross threaded and the > viewfinder illuminator lamp very dim compared to my OM-4T bodies. I sent it > back for her but she's heartbroken because she wanted this so much. > > I know a lot of us here have way too many OM bodies laying about. Does > anyone have an OM-4T in nice condition that works perfectly that they'd sell > me without asking $100,000 like the few I've seen on evilBay? She wants a > champaigne colored one but black will do. > > She's become a very good photographer. Check out her website, which I built > for her. > > http://www.catrinakleven.com > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1647 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 6:02 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 02:29:11 2008 Received: (qmail 23864 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 00:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 00:29:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14B1C36DD; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 02:28:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:28:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl38.gs02.gridserver.com (cl38.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.47]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504F0C3714 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 02:28:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-120-179-138.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.120.179.138]:50007 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl38.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KagEw-0008OA-UK for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:28:54 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:28:52 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Thread-Index: AckNXApvSUEkhnlPEd2aggAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <48BDD944.1030805@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 02:29:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bdda56206277927319144 They sent one marked EX on the packaging. The guy on the phone when I called said it was probably just mistakenly graded, and he offered a refund with no hassle which is one of the nice things about KEH. He said they didn't have another one in stock so we couldn't do an exchange. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 9/2/08 8:24 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > Hard to believe KEH would list that condition as EX. Sure they didn't > accidentally send you the wrong one? They should be taken to task in > any case. Unacceptable. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> Hi, >> >> You guys might remember a few months ago that I mentioned that my girlfriend >> wanted an OM-4T body because she had fallen in love with mine. She bought >> one from KEH that was listed in EX condition for $430 and it arrived today >> looking beat to hell and with the motor drive cap cross threaded and the >> viewfinder illuminator lamp very dim compared to my OM-4T bodies. I sent it >> back for her but she's heartbroken because she wanted this so much. >> >> I know a lot of us here have way too many OM bodies laying about. Does >> anyone have an OM-4T in nice condition that works perfectly that they'd sell >> me without asking $100,000 like the few I've seen on evilBay? She wants a >> champaigne colored one but black will do. >> >> She's become a very good photographer. Check out her website, which I built >> for her. >> >> http://www.catrinakleven.com >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1647 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 >> 6:02 AM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 13:53:02 2008 Received: (qmail 3898 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 11:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 11:53:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A86C46BE; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:52:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:52:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E89C4356 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:52:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-105-47-244.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.105.47.244]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m83BpptN006985 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:52:02 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:51:48 +1000 Message-ID: <001e01c90dbb$73483fd0$0301010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AckNWlYhlNyXpnlNEd2aggAKlchBUgAYLOBw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 13:53:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48be7a9e144291234514069 > She bought one from KEH that was > listed in EX condition for $430 and it arrived today looking > beat to hell and with the motor drive cap cross threaded and > the viewfinder illuminator lamp very dim compared to my OM-4T > bodies. I sent it back for her but she's heartbroken because > she wanted this so much. > Not a good story. I've bought a bit of stuff from KEH and have never had that problem. I started out buying BGN and wasn't disappointed, even bought a few UGLY items which were quite ok. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 14:41:49 2008 Received: (qmail 9227 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 12:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 12:41:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63903C4058; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:41:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:41:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FD4C3FB7 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:41:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c57.3ef4cf0f (34916) for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA031-886448be85fd3d1; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:41:33 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MC03 (webmail-mc03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.80]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA017-5c4948be85fa179; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:41:30 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] WTB: OM-4T body Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:41:30 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by WEBMAIL-MC03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:41:30 -0400 Message-Id: <8CADBD9862C4159-964-6B2@WEBMAIL-MC03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 14:41:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48be860d243721585427447 Well KEH outlet has a black EX 4T EX listed on yabe for $469.00 .? Makes ya wonder---perhaps the cross threading raises the value. Adorama has a"V" grade Black 4Ti for about 400.? No pics but may be worth a 2 min call.? May have too much wear. http://www.adorama.com/US%20%20%20%20284238.html I sniped for about 6mos and found a black 4T in vg to ex for high 300's.? I had missed that listing but Jeff K gave me ping 30 min prior to the end of the bidding. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 14:57:26 2008 Received: (qmail 14231 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 12:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 12:57:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14AD6C4154; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:57:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:57:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B50C3F71 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:57:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28224 invoked by uid 504); 3 Sep 2008 12:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 12:57:10 -0000 Message-ID: <48BE89A6.5030809@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:57:10 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 14:57:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48be89b6240241744846740 If you're not using an F280 flash why do you need a 4T vs. plain 4? Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > Hi, > > You guys might remember a few months ago that I mentioned that my girlfriend > wanted an OM-4T body because she had fallen in love with mine. She bought > one from KEH that was listed in EX condition for $430 and it arrived today > looking beat to hell and with the motor drive cap cross threaded and the > viewfinder illuminator lamp very dim compared to my OM-4T bodies. I sent it > back for her but she's heartbroken because she wanted this so much. > > I know a lot of us here have way too many OM bodies laying about. Does > anyone have an OM-4T in nice condition that works perfectly that they'd sell > me without asking $100,000 like the few I've seen on evilBay? She wants a > champaigne colored one but black will do. > > She's become a very good photographer. Check out her website, which I built > for her. > > http://www.catrinakleven.com > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1647 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 6:02 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 15:18:43 2008 Received: (qmail 15884 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 13:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 13:18:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77C4C427D; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:18:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:18:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from postbode01.versateladsl.be (postbode01.versateladsl.be [212.53.5.91]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5093CC42D6 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:18:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1294 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 13:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tour) ([83.186.98.138]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.versateladsl.be (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 3 Sep 2008 13:17:52 -0000 From: "Stephan Van den Zegel" To: References: <48BE89A6.5030809@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:18:12 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <48BE89A6.5030809@chucknorcutt.com> Thread-Index: AckNxJyrZPmXhhD/RUCpXJzyHM4jewAAf5Ig X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: stephan@vandenzegel.be Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 15:18:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48be8eb3203534673671140 OM 4 TI...Because it's not eating battery ? I've spotted a new in box OM4TI champagne here in Belgium (body only)... it has never been used, never seen a roll. But the price is logically 1100€ If interested I can provide the email address of the seller... Got a picture Stephan -----Message d'origine----- De : olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] De la part de Chuck Norcutt Envoyé : mercredi 3 septembre 2008 14:57 À : olympus@ml.free.fr Objet : [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body If you're not using an F280 flash why do you need a 4T vs. plain 4? Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > Hi, > > You guys might remember a few months ago that I mentioned that my girlfriend > wanted an OM-4T body because she had fallen in love with mine. She bought > one from KEH that was listed in EX condition for $430 and it arrived today > looking beat to hell and with the motor drive cap cross threaded and the > viewfinder illuminator lamp very dim compared to my OM-4T bodies. I sent it > back for her but she's heartbroken because she wanted this so much. > > I know a lot of us here have way too many OM bodies laying about. Does > anyone have an OM-4T in nice condition that works perfectly that they'd sell > me without asking $100,000 like the few I've seen on evilBay? She wants a > champaigne colored one but black will do. > > She's become a very good photographer. Check out her website, which I built > for her. > > http://www.catrinakleven.com > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1647 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 6:02 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== -- No attachments (even text) are allowed -- -- Type: image/jpeg -- File: DSC00020.jpg -- No attachments (even text) are allowed -- -- Type: image/jpeg -- File: DSC00021.jpg ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 15:32:27 2008 Received: (qmail 2388 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 13:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 13:32:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F72EC4356; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:32:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:32:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584A2C4353 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:32:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6M00506G9HZ9J2@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:32:06 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-8-69.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.8.69]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:24:29 -0300 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:25:32 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <33E480DE67464E34BEC15259EA995CC3@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtYQADouvkgYighF/2dsb2JhbACBX4dorQQDgWY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,320,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="351250055" References: <48BE89A6.5030809@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 15:32:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48be91eb284269117217770 That's just a shade less than US$1600. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephan Van den Zegel" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body > > OM 4 TI...Because it's not eating battery ? > > I've spotted a new in box OM4TI champagne here in Belgium (body only)... > it has never been used, never seen a roll. But the price is logically > 1100€ > If interested I can provide the email address of the seller... > > Got a picture > > Stephan > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] De la part > de Chuck Norcutt > Envoyé : mercredi 3 septembre 2008 14:57 > À : olympus@ml.free.fr > Objet : [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body > > If you're not using an F280 flash why do you need a 4T vs. plain 4? > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> Hi, >> >> You guys might remember a few months ago that I mentioned that my >> girlfriend >> wanted an OM-4T body because she had fallen in love with mine. She bought >> one from KEH that was listed in EX condition for $430 and it arrived >> today >> looking beat to hell and with the motor drive cap cross threaded and the >> viewfinder illuminator lamp very dim compared to my OM-4T bodies. I sent >> it >> back for her but she's heartbroken because she wanted this so much. >> >> I know a lot of us here have way too many OM bodies laying about. Does >> anyone have an OM-4T in nice condition that works perfectly that they'd >> sell >> me without asking $100,000 like the few I've seen on evilBay? She wants a >> champaigne colored one but black will do. >> >> She's become a very good photographer. Check out her website, which I >> built >> for her. >> >> http://www.catrinakleven.com >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1647 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 >> 6:02 AM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > -- No attachments (even text) are allowed -- > -- Type: image/jpeg > -- File: DSC00020.jpg > > > -- No attachments (even text) are allowed -- > -- Type: image/jpeg > -- File: DSC00021.jpg > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 15:43:59 2008 Received: (qmail 29548 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 13:43:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 13:43:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E24C2D60; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:43:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:43:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7421C27D6 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:43:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id A2F220F28T for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:43:45 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1258 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:43:44 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Thread-Index: AckNxJyrZPmXhhD/RUCpXJzyHM4jewAAf5IgAAEbKrA= From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2008 13:43:45.0326 (UTC) FILETIME=[15DF7CE0:01C90DCB] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 15:43:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48be949f120251342116753 I believe Chris mentioned early on that he's on a bit of a tight budget...... -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Stephan Van den Zegel Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 6:18 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body OM 4 TI...Because it's not eating battery ? I've spotted a new in box OM4TI champagne here in Belgium (body only)... it has never been used, never seen a roll. But the price is logically 1100 If interested I can provide the email address of the seller... Got a picture Stephan -----Message d'origine----- De : olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] De la part de Chuck Norcutt Envoy : mercredi 3 septembre 2008 14:57 : olympus@ml.free.fr Objet : [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body If you're not using an F280 flash why do you need a 4T vs. plain 4? Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > Hi, > > You guys might remember a few months ago that I mentioned that my > girlfriend wanted an OM-4T body because she had fallen in love with > mine. She bought one from KEH that was listed in EX condition for $430 > and it arrived today looking beat to hell and with the motor drive cap > cross threaded and the viewfinder illuminator lamp very dim compared > to my OM-4T bodies. I sent it back for her but she's heartbroken > because she wanted this so much. > > I know a lot of us here have way too many OM bodies laying about. Does > anyone have an OM-4T in nice condition that works perfectly that > they'd sell me without asking $100,000 like the few I've seen on > evilBay? She wants a champaigne colored one but black will do. > > She's become a very good photographer. Check out her website, which I > built for her. > > http://www.catrinakleven.com > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1647 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 6:02 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== -- No attachments (even text) are allowed -- -- Type: image/jpeg -- File: DSC00020.jpg -- No attachments (even text) are allowed -- -- Type: image/jpeg -- File: DSC00021.jpg ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 16:32:59 2008 Received: (qmail 4729 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 14:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 14:32:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B49C44FD; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:32:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:32:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl37.gs02.gridserver.com (cl37.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D216DC42AE for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:32:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-120-179-138.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.120.179.138]:50765 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl37.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KatPZ-0008Mi-Tm for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:32:45 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:32:43 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Thread-Index: AckN0ezcK3uu5nnFEd2XHAAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <48BE89A6.5030809@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 16:32:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bea01b293869117217770 Because of the battery drain issue (I have seen a ton of BEAUTIFUL plain 4's on ebay but who knows if they have the bad circuits) and because it is for my girlfriend who really wants the champaigne color. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 9/3/08 8:57 AM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > If you're not using an F280 flash why do you need a 4T vs. plain 4? > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> Hi, >> >> You guys might remember a few months ago that I mentioned that my girlfriend >> wanted an OM-4T body because she had fallen in love with mine. She bought >> one from KEH that was listed in EX condition for $430 and it arrived today >> looking beat to hell and with the motor drive cap cross threaded and the >> viewfinder illuminator lamp very dim compared to my OM-4T bodies. I sent it >> back for her but she's heartbroken because she wanted this so much. >> >> I know a lot of us here have way too many OM bodies laying about. Does >> anyone have an OM-4T in nice condition that works perfectly that they'd sell >> me without asking $100,000 like the few I've seen on evilBay? She wants a >> champaigne colored one but black will do. >> >> She's become a very good photographer. Check out her website, which I built >> for her. >> >> http://www.catrinakleven.com >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1647 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 >> 6:02 AM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 16:39:01 2008 Received: (qmail 14662 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 14:39:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 14:39:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F726C3FA3; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:38:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:38:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3BCC3FAA for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:38:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KatVP-00068I-9v for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:38:47 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> <00fd01c90cfb$f5bbcce0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48BD46E6.1000000@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:38:39 +0100 Message-ID: <027201c90dd2$c16f4d40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckNBDu8RylqVD1XSOqMB6ZzUWIs9AAzgcbg In-Reply-To: <48BD46E6.1000000@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080903-0, 03/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8144/Wed Sep 3 02:57:33 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 16:39:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bea18553149347015869 I am using an early version of the Russian "Dandelion" which is pre-coded with the lens FL. Later versions allow the user to program (and re-program) the FL into the chip. To say the programming procedure is "arcane" would be a misrepresntation. Suffice to say that I am happy with the pre-programmed version! -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Chuck Norcutt Sent: 02 September 2008 15:00 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 KatzEye claims little impact on metering with the E-510 screen but only for ZD lenses. They warn that: "Meter performance may vary significantly when using non-ZD lenses with a mount adapter." However, they also state: "Please note that all metering testing was done using Zuiko Digital (ZD) lenses." It's difficult to square these two statements if they've never tested non-ZD lenses. I think I'd call them to see what they really do and don't know. ps: Which focus confirmation adapter worked? I never use anything but the center focus point and can't imagine allowing the camera to choose the focus point. Chuck Norcutt Piers Hemy wrote: > Nice work, Peter, and good to see you back in the fold! As far as the > focus problem is concerned, I can offer a couple of pieces of advice > based on my experiences using OM glass on E-bodies: > > Though I have not used a KatzEye, I did try an aftermarket focus > screen in an E-1. The screen has a split image focusing aid, just > like an OM 1-3 screen (i.e. without the microsprisms). Manual > focusing is much easier - but metering becomes inaccurate with all > lenses (even DZ), and by varying amounts depending on the lens. Flash metering is pretty much impossible. > > I have also used focus confirmation chips on E-410 and E-3 (the > version I had is not compatible with E-1), and they do work. They are > sensitive (as they should be) so it is very easy to focus through the > in-focus point with a manual lens (just as with MF cameras). The > difference is that, unlike with a split image where you can see the > image coming into focus, with the focus confirmation chip it's either > in or out of focus, there is no "nearly there" indication. A further > handicap is that there is no indication of which focus point is the > one triggering the in-focus indicator. The E-410 itslef will indicate > which of the three focus points is active, by way of a red LED. The > focus confirmation chip does not, which is hardly helpful (though I > suppose I could have manually selected only the central focus point). > > Knowing what I now know, I would use liveview. The E-3, on the other > hand, is much much easier to use with MF lenses, as the VF is > noticably bigger and brighter. > > I have learned the hard way that there was a reason for Olympus to be > so reluctant to release the OM adaptor! > > -- > Piers --snip ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 17:05:20 2008 Received: (qmail 23922 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 15:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 15:05:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5E6C4150; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:05:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:05:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from postbode01.versateladsl.be (postbode01.versateladsl.be [212.53.5.91]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB7DC2EAE for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:04:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13297 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 15:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tour) ([83.186.98.138]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.versateladsl.be (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 3 Sep 2008 15:04:31 -0000 From: "Stephan Van den Zegel" To: References: <48BE89A6.5030809@chucknorcutt.com> <33E480DE67464E34BEC15259EA995CC3@hudson> Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:04:51 +0200 Message-ID: <4A355C6DBC614CF3ABCC02AE7C123700@tour> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <33E480DE67464E34BEC15259EA995CC3@hudson> Thread-Index: AckNyYD24Hi6IUyDSJ+kdoJ2+xMLGwADMg+w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: stephan@vandenzegel.be Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 17:05:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bea7b0304631234514069 Yes the dollar is very low... I'm not the seller, but the off the shelf price was 1800€ when last available new... -----Message d'origine----- De : olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] De la part de John Hudson Envoyé : mercredi 3 septembre 2008 15:26 À : olympus@ml.free.fr Objet : [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body That's just a shade less than US$1600. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephan Van den Zegel" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body > > OM 4 TI...Because it's not eating battery ? > > I've spotted a new in box OM4TI champagne here in Belgium (body only)... > it has never been used, never seen a roll. But the price is logically > 1100€ > If interested I can provide the email address of the seller... > > Got a picture > > Stephan > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] De la part > de Chuck Norcutt > Envoyé : mercredi 3 septembre 2008 14:57 > À : olympus@ml.free.fr > Objet : [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body > > If you're not using an F280 flash why do you need a 4T vs. plain 4? > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> Hi, >> >> You guys might remember a few months ago that I mentioned that my >> girlfriend >> wanted an OM-4T body because she had fallen in love with mine. She bought >> one from KEH that was listed in EX condition for $430 and it arrived >> today >> looking beat to hell and with the motor drive cap cross threaded and the >> viewfinder illuminator lamp very dim compared to my OM-4T bodies. I sent >> it >> back for her but she's heartbroken because she wanted this so much. >> >> I know a lot of us here have way too many OM bodies laying about. Does >> anyone have an OM-4T in nice condition that works perfectly that they'd >> sell >> me without asking $100,000 like the few I've seen on evilBay? She wants a >> champaigne colored one but black will do. >> >> She's become a very good photographer. Check out her website, which I >> built >> for her. >> >> http://www.catrinakleven.com >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1647 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 >> 6:02 AM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > -- No attachments (even text) are allowed -- > -- Type: image/jpeg > -- File: DSC00020.jpg > > > -- No attachments (even text) are allowed -- > -- Type: image/jpeg > -- File: DSC00021.jpg > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 17:08:15 2008 Received: (qmail 7291 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 15:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 15:08:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9A1C3034; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:08:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:08:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E83C2FB5 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:08:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Katxj-00075E-4a for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:08:03 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <48BE89A6.5030809@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:07:54 +0100 Message-ID: <028201c90dd6$d7cda1f0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckN0ezcK3uu5nnFEd2XHAAKlchBUgAASKvw In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080903-0, 03/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8144/Wed Sep 3 02:57:33 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 17:08:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bea85e125151869477228 I have available a (used) set of champagne top, bottom and front plates which would allow conversion of a black 4T. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Chris Crawford Sent: 03 September 2008 15:33 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Because of the battery drain issue (I have seen a ton of BEAUTIFUL plain 4's on ebay but who knows if they have the bad circuits) and because it is for my girlfriend who really wants the champaigne color. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 9/3/08 8:57 AM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > If you're not using an F280 flash why do you need a 4T vs. plain 4? > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> Hi, >> >> You guys might remember a few months ago that I mentioned that my >> girlfriend wanted an OM-4T body because she had fallen in love with >> mine. She bought one from KEH that was listed in EX condition for >> $430 and it arrived today looking beat to hell and with the motor >> drive cap cross threaded and the viewfinder illuminator lamp very dim >> compared to my OM-4T bodies. I sent it back for her but she's heartbroken because she wanted this so much. >> >> I know a lot of us here have way too many OM bodies laying about. >> Does anyone have an OM-4T in nice condition that works perfectly that >> they'd sell me without asking $100,000 like the few I've seen on >> evilBay? She wants a champaigne colored one but black will do. >> >> She's become a very good photographer. Check out her website, which I >> built for her. >> >> http://www.catrinakleven.com >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1647 - Release Date: >> 9/2/2008 >> 6:02 AM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 17:10:52 2008 Received: (qmail 10485 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 15:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 15:10:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89873C397F; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:10:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:10:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from postbode01.versateladsl.be (postbode01.versateladsl.be [212.53.5.91]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4126C37B5 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:10:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19766 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 15:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tour) ([83.186.98.138]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.versateladsl.be (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 3 Sep 2008 15:10:18 -0000 From: "Stephan Van den Zegel" To: References: <48BE89A6.5030809@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:10:38 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AckN0ezcK3uu5nnFEd2XHAAKlchBUgABRJ1w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: stephan@vandenzegel.be Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 17:10:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bea8fc315931529615919 Chris, join me trough a private mail, there are surely (wide) scopes for discussion with the owner... I'll give you her email address... Stephan Stephan@vandenzegel.be -----Message d'origine----- De: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] De la part de Chris Crawford Envoy: mercredi 3 septembre 2008 16:33 : olympus@ml.free.fr Objet: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Because of the battery drain issue (I have seen a ton of BEAUTIFUL plain 4's on ebay but who knows if they have the bad circuits) and because it is for my girlfriend who really wants the champaigne color. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 9/3/08 8:57 AM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > If you're not using an F280 flash why do you need a 4T vs. plain 4? > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> Hi, >> >> You guys might remember a few months ago that I mentioned that my girlfriend >> wanted an OM-4T body because she had fallen in love with mine. She bought >> one from KEH that was listed in EX condition for $430 and it arrived today >> looking beat to hell and with the motor drive cap cross threaded and the >> viewfinder illuminator lamp very dim compared to my OM-4T bodies. I sent it >> back for her but she's heartbroken because she wanted this so much. >> >> I know a lot of us here have way too many OM bodies laying about. Does >> anyone have an OM-4T in nice condition that works perfectly that they'd sell >> me without asking $100,000 like the few I've seen on evilBay? She wants a >> champaigne colored one but black will do. >> >> She's become a very good photographer. Check out her website, which I built >> for her. >> >> http://www.catrinakleven.com >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1647 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 >> 6:02 AM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 18:26:06 2008 Received: (qmail 32132 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 16:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 16:26:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCF5C33D8; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:25:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:25:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D50C31EC for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:25:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 32646 invoked by uid 504); 3 Sep 2008 16:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 16:25:52 -0000 Message-ID: <48BEBA8F.7030508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:25:51 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 18:26:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48beba9e197822070262475 I can't argue about color but the battery business is pretty much a non-issue in my book. I own a 4 with the new circuit but I assume that the OM-4's normal circuit draws about the same as the OM-2s. My experience with the OM-2s is that a set of batteries lasts about 6 months... as long as they're silver oxide. If they're alkaline you can only count on about 6 weeks. With heavy usage you might get less life than I got on the 2s but replacing 2 or even 3 or 4 sets of batteries per year is hardly a budget buster. Here's a 25 pack for $16.49 (shipping included) that should provide you with 2-4 years service. It'll take a long time to cover the cost differential between that 4 and 4T at that rate. Start work on the "black is beautiful" theme. Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > Because of the battery drain issue (I have seen a ton of BEAUTIFUL plain 4's > on ebay but who knows if they have the bad circuits) and because it is for > my girlfriend who really wants the champaigne color. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 18:27:08 2008 Received: (qmail 10516 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 16:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 16:27:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DDBC3EE8; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:26:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:26:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869A9C3F63 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:26:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1262 invoked by uid 504); 3 Sep 2008 16:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 16:26:54 -0000 Message-ID: <48BEBACE.9060907@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:26:54 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> <00fd01c90cfb$f5bbcce0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48BD46E6.1000000@chucknorcutt.com> <027201c90dd2$c16f4d40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <027201c90dd2$c16f4d40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 18:27:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bebadc146171342116753 Where does one buy Russian "Dandelions"? Do they make good wine? :-) Chuck Norcutt Piers Hemy wrote: > I am using an early version of the Russian "Dandelion" which is pre-coded > with the lens FL. Later versions allow the user to program (and re-program) > the FL into the chip. To say the programming procedure is "arcane" would be > a misrepresntation. Suffice to say that I am happy with the pre-programmed > version! > > -- > Piers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Chuck Norcutt > Sent: 02 September 2008 15:00 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 > > KatzEye claims little impact on metering with the E-510 screen > .html> > but only for ZD lenses. They warn that: "Meter performance may vary > significantly when using non-ZD lenses with a mount adapter." However, they > also state: "Please note that all metering testing was done using Zuiko > Digital (ZD) lenses." It's difficult to square these two statements if > they've never tested non-ZD lenses. I think I'd call them to see what they > really do and don't know. > > ps: Which focus confirmation adapter worked? I never use anything but the > center focus point and can't imagine allowing the camera to choose the focus > point. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > Piers Hemy wrote: >> Nice work, Peter, and good to see you back in the fold! As far as the >> focus problem is concerned, I can offer a couple of pieces of advice >> based on my experiences using OM glass on E-bodies: >> >> Though I have not used a KatzEye, I did try an aftermarket focus >> screen in an E-1. The screen has a split image focusing aid, just >> like an OM 1-3 screen (i.e. without the microsprisms). Manual >> focusing is much easier - but metering becomes inaccurate with all >> lenses (even DZ), and by varying amounts depending on the lens. Flash > metering is pretty much impossible. >> I have also used focus confirmation chips on E-410 and E-3 (the >> version I had is not compatible with E-1), and they do work. They are >> sensitive (as they should be) so it is very easy to focus through the >> in-focus point with a manual lens (just as with MF cameras). The >> difference is that, unlike with a split image where you can see the >> image coming into focus, with the focus confirmation chip it's either >> in or out of focus, there is no "nearly there" indication. A further >> handicap is that there is no indication of which focus point is the >> one triggering the in-focus indicator. The E-410 itslef will indicate >> which of the three focus points is active, by way of a red LED. The >> focus confirmation chip does not, which is hardly helpful (though I >> suppose I could have manually selected only the central focus point). >> >> Knowing what I now know, I would use liveview. The E-3, on the other >> hand, is much much easier to use with MF lenses, as the VF is >> noticably bigger and brighter. >> >> I have learned the hard way that there was a reason for Olympus to be >> so reluctant to release the OM adaptor! >> >> -- >> Piers > > --snip > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1649 - Release Date: 9/3/2008 7:15 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 19:35:24 2008 Received: (qmail 29617 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 17:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 17:35:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13133C3E18; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:35:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:35:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3380C3F8F for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:35:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KawG6-0006G6-81 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:35:10 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> <00fd01c90cfb$f5bbcce0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48BD46E6.1000000@chucknorcutt.com> <027201c90dd2$c16f4d40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48BEBACE.9060907@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:35:01 +0100 Message-ID: <02a901c90deb$64d38830$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckN4eggtdHkQnYeQ3OJGIZq2vgXzwAB4PqA In-Reply-To: <48BEBACE.9060907@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080903-0, 03/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8144/Wed Sep 3 02:57:33 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 19:35:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48becadb242591869477228 Why from a Russian "Dandelion" store, where else? But I wouldn't want to try dandelion wine, lest it retains the anecdotal diuretic qualities of the raw material. Google "dandelion olympus" and you will get a few hits. The dpreview thread refers to Lushnikov's dandelions, which I believe were the first to market. The oly43club.ru link is for a different type, the one I have (and note the programming instructions at the end of the linked page). There are also Chinese versions available on the auction site, from sellers with a good reputation here. If you are content with the reservations I have noted, I would strongly advise you to get a dandelion which is already mounted in an adapter, as alignment in three dimensions without a jig is not for the faint-hearted. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Chuck Norcutt Sent: 03 September 2008 17:27 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 Where does one buy Russian "Dandelions"? Do they make good wine? :-) Chuck Norcutt Piers Hemy wrote: > I am using an early version of the Russian "Dandelion" which is > pre-coded with the lens FL. Later versions allow the user to program > (and re-program) the FL into the chip. To say the programming > procedure is "arcane" would be a misrepresntation. Suffice to say that > I am happy with the pre-programmed version! > > -- > Piers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of Chuck Norcutt > Sent: 02 September 2008 15:00 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 > > KatzEye claims little impact on metering with the E-510 screen > d_E510 > .html> > but only for ZD lenses. They warn that: "Meter performance may vary > significantly when using non-ZD lenses with a mount adapter." > However, they also state: "Please note that all metering testing was > done using Zuiko Digital (ZD) lenses." It's difficult to square these > two statements if they've never tested non-ZD lenses. I think I'd > call them to see what they really do and don't know. > > ps: Which focus confirmation adapter worked? I never use anything > but the center focus point and can't imagine allowing the camera to > choose the focus point. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > Piers Hemy wrote: >> Nice work, Peter, and good to see you back in the fold! As far as >> the focus problem is concerned, I can offer a couple of pieces of >> advice based on my experiences using OM glass on E-bodies: >> >> Though I have not used a KatzEye, I did try an aftermarket focus >> screen in an E-1. The screen has a split image focusing aid, just >> like an OM 1-3 screen (i.e. without the microsprisms). Manual >> focusing is much easier - but metering becomes inaccurate with all >> lenses (even DZ), and by varying amounts depending on the lens. Flash > metering is pretty much impossible. >> I have also used focus confirmation chips on E-410 and E-3 (the >> version I had is not compatible with E-1), and they do work. They >> are sensitive (as they should be) so it is very easy to focus through >> the in-focus point with a manual lens (just as with MF cameras). The >> difference is that, unlike with a split image where you can see the >> image coming into focus, with the focus confirmation chip it's either >> in or out of focus, there is no "nearly there" indication. A further >> handicap is that there is no indication of which focus point is the >> one triggering the in-focus indicator. The E-410 itslef will >> indicate which of the three focus points is active, by way of a red >> LED. The focus confirmation chip does not, which is hardly helpful >> (though I suppose I could have manually selected only the central focus point). >> >> Knowing what I now know, I would use liveview. The E-3, on the other >> hand, is much much easier to use with MF lenses, as the VF is >> noticably bigger and brighter. >> >> I have learned the hard way that there was a reason for Olympus to be >> so reluctant to release the OM adaptor! >> >> -- >> Piers > > --snip > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1649 - Release Date: > 9/3/2008 7:15 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 19:47:52 2008 Received: (qmail 9069 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 17:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 17:47:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DCDC4295; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:47:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:47:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [207.115.11.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988F0C40E4 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:47:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20080903174737H020015evue>; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:47:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> <00fd01c90cfb$f5bbcce0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48BD46E6.1000000@chucknorcutt.com> <027201c90dd2$c16f4d40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48BEBACE.9060907@chucknorcutt.com> <02a901c90deb$64d38830$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:47:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 19:47:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48becdc8197231823421471 Piers, Since I needed an adapter for M42 to 4/3, I bought a Fotodiox adapter and one of the Chinese focus confirmation chips. After two tries at aligning and mounting the chip in the adapter, it works "most" of the time. The alignment requirements seem to be quite stringent. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piers Hemy" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:35 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 > > Why from a Russian "Dandelion" store, where else? But I wouldn't want to > try dandelion wine, lest it retains the anecdotal diuretic qualities of > the > raw material. > > Google "dandelion olympus" and you will get a few hits. The dpreview > thread > refers to Lushnikov's dandelions, which I believe were the first to > market. > The oly43club.ru link is for a different type, the one I have (and note > the > programming instructions at the end of the linked page). There are also > Chinese versions available on the auction site, from sellers with a good > reputation here. > > If you are content with the reservations I have noted, I would strongly > advise you to get a dandelion which is already mounted in an adapter, as > alignment in three dimensions without a jig is not for the faint-hearted. > > -- > Piers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Chuck Norcutt > Sent: 03 September 2008 17:27 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 > > Where does one buy Russian "Dandelions"? Do they make good wine? :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Piers Hemy wrote: >> I am using an early version of the Russian "Dandelion" which is >> pre-coded with the lens FL. Later versions allow the user to program >> (and re-program) the FL into the chip. To say the programming >> procedure is "arcane" would be a misrepresntation. Suffice to say that >> I am happy with the pre-programmed version! >> >> -- >> Piers >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >> Behalf Of Chuck Norcutt >> Sent: 02 September 2008 15:00 >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 >> >> KatzEye claims little impact on metering with the E-510 screen >> > d_E510 >> .html> >> but only for ZD lenses. They warn that: "Meter performance may vary >> significantly when using non-ZD lenses with a mount adapter." >> However, they also state: "Please note that all metering testing was >> done using Zuiko Digital (ZD) lenses." It's difficult to square these >> two statements if they've never tested non-ZD lenses. I think I'd >> call them to see what they really do and don't know. >> >> ps: Which focus confirmation adapter worked? I never use anything >> but the center focus point and can't imagine allowing the camera to >> choose the focus point. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> >> Piers Hemy wrote: >>> Nice work, Peter, and good to see you back in the fold! As far as >>> the focus problem is concerned, I can offer a couple of pieces of >>> advice based on my experiences using OM glass on E-bodies: >>> >>> Though I have not used a KatzEye, I did try an aftermarket focus >>> screen in an E-1. The screen has a split image focusing aid, just >>> like an OM 1-3 screen (i.e. without the microsprisms). Manual >>> focusing is much easier - but metering becomes inaccurate with all >>> lenses (even DZ), and by varying amounts depending on the lens. Flash >> metering is pretty much impossible. >>> I have also used focus confirmation chips on E-410 and E-3 (the >>> version I had is not compatible with E-1), and they do work. They >>> are sensitive (as they should be) so it is very easy to focus through >>> the in-focus point with a manual lens (just as with MF cameras). The >>> difference is that, unlike with a split image where you can see the >>> image coming into focus, with the focus confirmation chip it's either >>> in or out of focus, there is no "nearly there" indication. A further >>> handicap is that there is no indication of which focus point is the >>> one triggering the in-focus indicator. The E-410 itslef will >>> indicate which of the three focus points is active, by way of a red >>> LED. The focus confirmation chip does not, which is hardly helpful >>> (though I suppose I could have manually selected only the central focus > point). >>> >>> Knowing what I now know, I would use liveview. The E-3, on the other >>> hand, is much much easier to use with MF lenses, as the VF is >>> noticably bigger and brighter. >>> >>> I have learned the hard way that there was a reason for Olympus to be >>> so reluctant to release the OM adaptor! >>> >>> -- >>> Piers >> >> --snip >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1649 - Release Date: >> 9/3/2008 7:15 AM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 19:57:30 2008 Received: (qmail 22210 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 17:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 17:57:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F216C3EF6; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:57:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:57:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCB9C283C for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:57:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23086 invoked by uid 504); 3 Sep 2008 17:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 17:57:15 -0000 Message-ID: <48BECFFB.7020102@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:57:15 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> <00fd01c90cfb$f5bbcce0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48BD46E6.1000000@chucknorcutt.com> <027201c90dd2$c16f4d40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48BEBACE.9060907@chucknorcutt.com> <02a901c90deb$64d38830$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <02a901c90deb$64d38830$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 19:57:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bed00a167281744846740 Thanks. I'll have to investigate when I get back from my trip. Chuck Norcutt Piers Hemy wrote: > Why from a Russian "Dandelion" store, where else? But I wouldn't want to > try dandelion wine, lest it retains the anecdotal diuretic qualities of the > raw material. > > Google "dandelion olympus" and you will get a few hits. The dpreview thread > refers to Lushnikov's dandelions, which I believe were the first to market. > The oly43club.ru link is for a different type, the one I have (and note the > programming instructions at the end of the linked page). There are also > Chinese versions available on the auction site, from sellers with a good > reputation here. > > If you are content with the reservations I have noted, I would strongly > advise you to get a dandelion which is already mounted in an adapter, as > alignment in three dimensions without a jig is not for the faint-hearted. > > -- > Piers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Chuck Norcutt > Sent: 03 September 2008 17:27 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 > > Where does one buy Russian "Dandelions"? Do they make good wine? :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Piers Hemy wrote: >> I am using an early version of the Russian "Dandelion" which is >> pre-coded with the lens FL. Later versions allow the user to program >> (and re-program) the FL into the chip. To say the programming >> procedure is "arcane" would be a misrepresntation. Suffice to say that >> I am happy with the pre-programmed version! >> >> -- >> Piers >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >> Behalf Of Chuck Norcutt >> Sent: 02 September 2008 15:00 >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 >> >> KatzEye claims little impact on metering with the E-510 screen >> > d_E510 >> .html> >> but only for ZD lenses. They warn that: "Meter performance may vary >> significantly when using non-ZD lenses with a mount adapter." >> However, they also state: "Please note that all metering testing was >> done using Zuiko Digital (ZD) lenses." It's difficult to square these >> two statements if they've never tested non-ZD lenses. I think I'd >> call them to see what they really do and don't know. >> >> ps: Which focus confirmation adapter worked? I never use anything >> but the center focus point and can't imagine allowing the camera to >> choose the focus point. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> >> Piers Hemy wrote: >>> Nice work, Peter, and good to see you back in the fold! As far as >>> the focus problem is concerned, I can offer a couple of pieces of >>> advice based on my experiences using OM glass on E-bodies: >>> >>> Though I have not used a KatzEye, I did try an aftermarket focus >>> screen in an E-1. The screen has a split image focusing aid, just >>> like an OM 1-3 screen (i.e. without the microsprisms). Manual >>> focusing is much easier - but metering becomes inaccurate with all >>> lenses (even DZ), and by varying amounts depending on the lens. Flash >> metering is pretty much impossible. >>> I have also used focus confirmation chips on E-410 and E-3 (the >>> version I had is not compatible with E-1), and they do work. They >>> are sensitive (as they should be) so it is very easy to focus through >>> the in-focus point with a manual lens (just as with MF cameras). The >>> difference is that, unlike with a split image where you can see the >>> image coming into focus, with the focus confirmation chip it's either >>> in or out of focus, there is no "nearly there" indication. A further >>> handicap is that there is no indication of which focus point is the >>> one triggering the in-focus indicator. The E-410 itslef will >>> indicate which of the three focus points is active, by way of a red >>> LED. The focus confirmation chip does not, which is hardly helpful >>> (though I suppose I could have manually selected only the central focus > point). >>> Knowing what I now know, I would use liveview. The E-3, on the other >>> hand, is much much easier to use with MF lenses, as the VF is >>> noticably bigger and brighter. >>> >>> I have learned the hard way that there was a reason for Olympus to be >>> so reluctant to release the OM adaptor! >>> >>> -- >>> Piers >> --snip >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1649 - Release Date: >> 9/3/2008 7:15 AM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1649 - Release Date: 9/3/2008 7:15 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 3 21:07:47 2008 Received: (qmail 29109 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 19:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 19:07:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A4FC2DB6; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:07:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:07:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894B4C2CE0 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:07:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c78.3cfa1e75 (34909) for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA026-885d48bee06c175; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:07:25 -0400 Received: from webmail-da21 (webmail-da21.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.238]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA037-5c5948bee05f2ca; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:07:11 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:07:10 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 170.223.203.226 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 170.223.203.226 by webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.238) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:07:10 -0400 Message-Id: <8CADC0F66D070FC-C28-F1B@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 3 21:07:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bee083172643675314703 The french name for dandelion?is "pissenlit" (pee the bed) so perhaps there is some kearnel of truth to the purported?diuretic quality.? The human data is spartan however: Perhaps if made into wine the real effect is just the usual-- from ethanol which suppresses vasopressin and causes the? free water diuresis.? Hard to know. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-dandelion.html In Pchem?our first glass blowing project was to make a trap of some sort and I used it to make dandelion wine--ugh. Should have chosen a better project.? Mike BTW some of the chipped adapter manufacturers will chip a well made adpater for you with there chip, saving the installation hassle.? Some have done that with the bettter made Camerquest adapters OM-eos.? Trying to stay on topic. Why from a Russian "Dandelion" store, where else? But I wouldn't want to try dandelion wine, lest it retains the anecdotal diuretic qualities of the raw material. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 01:07:12 2008 Received: (qmail 19554 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 23:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 23:07:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5A3C3264; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:07:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:07:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AED2C3243 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:07:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-5.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.5]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080903230700H0500ea184e>; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:07:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.5] Message-ID: <03fe01c90e19$bdf57080$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: Subject: [OM] TOPE History? Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:06:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 01:07:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bf18a0313342070262475 I appreciate all the hard work Olaf has put into this ongoing project and can't slight his dedication for all these years. I was just wondering if " all good things must come to an end." I haven't heard any rumblings concerning it and just wondered if it was going to re-surface? Bob ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 01:16:33 2008 Received: (qmail 6645 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 2008 23:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 23:16:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD38C366E; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:16:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:16:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D618C3E1C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:15:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-5.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.5]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080903231546H01000cd6ae>; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:15:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.5] Message-ID: <041d01c90e1a$f7c967c0$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <03fe01c90e19$bdf57080$6601a8c0@hpd220> Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE History? Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:15:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 01:16:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bf1ad1279902046811720 Duh! I just went back and read that Olaf will be in Venezuela until the 14th of Sept. The go live was supposed to be Aug 13. I imagine other priorities came into prominence. I hope he has had a safe trip and returns safely. Bob ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 07:58:30 2008 Received: (qmail 31865 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 05:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 05:58:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5802EC3199; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:58:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:58:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from omta0101.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55AEC2F27 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:58:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dm24.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0101.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F07C7C4DB4 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:58:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm24 Received: by resin11.mta.everyone.net (EON-PICKUP) id resin11.48bdcd1b.3939; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:58:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20080903225817.25682AA7@resin11.mta.everyone.net> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:58:17 -0700 From: "Mike Stoesz" To: Subject: [OM] Olympus OM items for sale X-Eon-Sig: AQLk+1NIv3j5qN0I+wEAAAAB,abe745f116e9bf466d081a7d4cbe53f6 X-Originating-Ip: [204.227.223.217] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mstoesz@wyoming.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 07:58:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bf7906127821702588592 Howdy from Wyoming; I have several Olympus items that are excess to my needs. OM2 black body, missing ST lever. $135.00 T-32 flash $ 65.00 T-20 flash $ 30.00 Olympus 38mm f/3.5 macro for Pen-F $300.00 Olympus Pen-EED, shutter not opening, probably electrical $250.00 (KEH $499.00) Olympus Pen-S, 38mm f/2.8 $125.00 Olympus 35 DC, 40mm f/1.7 $100.00 A bunch of Olympus mt. zoom lenses, mostly Vivitar. Please send for list. Cash and trade offers considered. Thanks, Mike Stoesz Laramie, Wy. mstoesz@wyoming.com 307-742-7597 mountain time 9-5 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 08:34:19 2008 Received: (qmail 19224 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 06:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 06:34:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1DCC3387; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:34:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:34:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC26C32CD for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:34:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so1154631eyd.5 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:34:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=t43Whwj7c/fpq0ehjn+5ODT1TF5tv8Jq3IWvl3/blx0=; b=D0klz3zSzhOdz8+vuc+GYvuQe8LSmrfiFou/nxsk9/xMc7ONtKbo6MKP+r4XRgYABo Ly6qbe9j6M45d4B2BL5iV0d/Nq2vJGxM0s+j+CO3AmVIwN7UCQTNJnf3evT5Ry96ihmr /2EROwon9QC6/K4L3puMSB5UZJOpizX/7Nn+A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=LzOJ2FYEG6LNd4jJIqcFEiJi/Mi5MNBr/3QP5H6IBN6qMjHTOr0ez7BWfkp7TZ+o8I oXn1c1PkkTD1RJTMrSDbEx2al2oQ7F+JfW6MvaiqMIDww6YdNroSHdRfVvUUaxAptAry ISPwdxWXPl5b/MazpREC1Xktt4VpTgHvnPsRY= Received: by 10.210.102.12 with SMTP id z12mr11361992ebb.187.1220510048202; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.102.1 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:34:08 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Family Outings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 08:34:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bf816b272702070262475 Hi, My sister visited with her kids this weekend - lots of excitement but I still managed to take a few pictures. Warning: Contains cute kids, unsaturated colour, and strangers shot from behind: http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/weekend2 Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 11:15:03 2008 Received: (qmail 16795 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 09:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 09:15:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF652C2EF2; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:14:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:14:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12659C43AB for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:13:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19742 invoked by uid 502); 4 Sep 2008 09:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.160.108) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 09:13:20 -0000 Message-ID: <48BFA6A6.1090300@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:13:10 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scott Kelby Photoshop Photowalks References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B22255.20109@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48B22255.20109@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 11:15:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfa7176131035110158 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I attended the Binghamton, NY version and there were only about 15 photogs in attendance. We're supposed to load photos to a Flickr group but so far I haven't a clue how to do it and the link I've been sent is distinctly unhelpful. Maybe it's just my aversion to Flickr. > > Anyhow, I did pick out some shots but there's 49 of them and probably far too many for one person to send up to Flickr. I've temporarily uploaded them to my own site at: > > Tell me which you like and don't like and I'll get rid of the chaff. Catching up; we had house guests Thurs. to Tues. I liked many of the images. There are several I personally liked that I wouldn't enter in a contest and others that I would. I generally agree with your comment about tonality of the B&Ws. I would handle the skies with separate layers, rather than force the whole image for dark skies. I particularly liked 895, 909, 910, 915, 939, 950, 963, 965 and 975. I also liked 941, 955, 956, 971 and 988, but am not sure others would find them interesting enough. I couldn't resist playing with a few, which also allows me to illustrate a couple of points. That new lens of yours has some 'interesting" characteristics. In 921, both edges of the left pillar bow out, while those of the right pillar bow in opposite directions. Then look at the upper left, where the window swoops up. The same thing shows up in 625, where the roof line looks like it bends. Maye the building is raising an eyebrow about what has been done on the front? It's there again in 914, 915 and 920, where even after correcting the barrel distortion, what I assume should be a fairly horizontal detail on the building on the left swoops up. Looks to me like there is a decentered element/group, as the effect is only in one corner. I hope the rest of my alternate approaches are self-explanatory. No, I don't think my treatments of 910 and 991 (oops, there's that raised eyebrow swoop again) are natural; I see them as abstracts. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 11:19:26 2008 Received: (qmail 2773 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 09:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 09:19:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D41C2C95; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:19:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:19:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618D0C298D for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:19:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22803 invoked by uid 502); 4 Sep 2008 09:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.160.108) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 09:19:07 -0000 Message-ID: <48BFA806.1030902@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:19:02 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Meandering around my neighborhood References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080830232547.0277e548@mail.threshinc.com> <48BA6ECD.1060600@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48BA6ECD.1060600@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 11:19:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfa81e252909117217770 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Yes, I liked the lonesome road as well. Makes me want to see what's > further on down the way. I also liked the gladiolas Sing me up for those two and the lone airplane with clouds. > but that very prominent, horizontal gray bar in the background has got to go. > I didn't notice it. funny how we all notice different things. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 11:23:39 2008 Received: (qmail 7675 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 09:23:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 09:23:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA19C3054; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:23:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:23:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46109C366F for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:23:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24958 invoked by uid 502); 4 Sep 2008 09:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.160.108) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 09:23:25 -0000 Message-ID: <48BFA907.8010201@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:23:19 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 11:23:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfa91b30538512572685 Chris Crawford wrote: > Because of the battery drain issue (I have seen a ton of BEAUTIFUL plain 4's > on ebay but who knows if they have the bad circuits) and because it is for > my girlfriend who really wants the champaigne color. Two things to remember. - The Champagne OM4-T(i)s are also the oldest ones. - The color is a paint that doesn't adhere to the titanium as well as the black paint on an OM-4. The black on OM-4Ti also isn't as robust as the old paint on brass, but better than the champagne, which chips and flakes too easily. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 11:24:35 2008 Received: (qmail 26425 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 09:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 09:24:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EA9C30F4; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:24:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:24:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91FBC3309 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25724 invoked by uid 502); 4 Sep 2008 09:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.160.108) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 09:24:22 -0000 Message-ID: <48BFA940.7060409@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:24:16 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE History? References: <03fe01c90e19$bdf57080$6601a8c0@hpd220> <041d01c90e1a$f7c967c0$6601a8c0@hpd220> In-Reply-To: <041d01c90e1a$f7c967c0$6601a8c0@hpd220> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 11:24:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfa953254257350615338 Bob Docherty wrote: > Duh! I just went back and read that Olaf will be in Venezuela until the 14th > of Sept. The go live was supposed to be Aug 13. DOH! Thanks for the reminder. I prepped my image, but haven't sent it to Olaf. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 11:47:06 2008 Received: (qmail 27115 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 09:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 09:47:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE558C3309; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:46:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:46:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2919FC2F5E for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:46:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 6228 invoked by uid 502); 4 Sep 2008 09:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.160.108) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 09:46:42 -0000 Message-ID: <48BFAE7D.6060903@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:46:37 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? References: <731360.4502.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <731360.4502.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 11:47:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfae9a185137350615338 AS wrote: > Then you should be all set. I didnt realize that you had CS3. There are HDR tutorials all over the net. > > I do agree that HDR can be overdone, however it can also be beneficial in bringing out details, particularly in areas which are very dark. > It seems to me that HDR software is being used to do things far beyond the simple use of combining exposures to bring a broader dynamic range into images. As one who has been known to manipulate images beyond any natural look for "artistic" effect - i.e. to please me - I have no objection to such use. But I do think the use of the same acronym for both uses is confusing. It seems some folks think HDR is a synonym for hopping it up until it hurts ones eyeballs. ;-) > I took the family to Pittsburgh for the weekend. Came back with some decent photos. There are a couple of HDR's, including a BW which I converted from an HDR image. > > The photos of the animals are NON-hdr but tonemapped using Photomatix: > > http://flickr.com/photos/4love/ > I don't know whether it is the HDR software or some other editing, but the building images have really impressive sharpening halos. The angles and whatever else was done are fine, but I really dislike the halos. Here is a sloppy effort to remove them after the fact and on a tiny image, but should show what I am talking about. Easy enough to avoid in the first place. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 12:01:31 2008 Received: (qmail 24135 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 10:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 10:01:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EC4C39C5; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:01:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:01:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07101C37FE for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:01:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15606 invoked by uid 502); 4 Sep 2008 10:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.174.143) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 10:00:51 -0000 Message-ID: <48BFB1B2.1040701@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:00:18 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What did I do wrong now? References: <48B61B06.7000103@speakeasy.net> <48B704A9.1090600@gmail.com> <48BB7264.40800@speakeasy.net> In-Reply-To: <48BB7264.40800@speakeasy.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 12:01:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfb1fb177261234514069 Steve & Alicia Goss wrote: > Moose- > Thank you very much for your efforts. It's a thrill to be Moosterized for the first time. Don't be embarrassed. Everybody has a first time. > And sorry if I've set you up for a string of bad jokes with that line. > Especially from me. > For the cabin in Independence, CO, you have returned detail in the tree limbs that the scanner hid, and detail in the clouds that I can't even see in the slide when looking at it through a loupe. This is one of the things that amusing me about a lot of HDR talk and use. There is often quite a bit of recoverable tonal detail in highlights and shadows that is recoverable without any such effort. > ... > For the Crystal mill, The original slide is pretty dark, except for the sky and the waterfall. The slide doesn't look to have purple in the shadows, but it's tough to tell with the loupe. This seems to be a case where two different exposures could be combined to cover a greater dynamic range. Except it looks like it was the last shot on the roll. > I think I'll see if I can get a better scan. > Yup. I don't think he chances of a cheap one being good are all that likely. When I first started doing digital editing and printing from film, I was getting scans with developing that I thought were pretty good. And those of low contrast subjects weren't too bad. I just went back and scanned a roll that included some very high dynamic ranges subjects. The difference is huge. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 12:02:14 2008 Received: (qmail 7221 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 10:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 10:02:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C59DC3546; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:02:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:02:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A32C33D4 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:02:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 16226 invoked by uid 502); 4 Sep 2008 10:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.174.143) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 10:01:52 -0000 Message-ID: <48BFB209.2000700@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:01:45 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: I little minor self promotion References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 12:02:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfb226298961838542571 Michael Collins wrote: > Hopping on the self-promotion bandwagon... > > I didn't take many photos last fall when I was in NZ for a week and Oz for a > week, and the ones I did take I thought were really just holiday snaps. What's wrong with good holiday snaps? These are certainly fine. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 12:26:33 2008 Received: (qmail 22785 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 10:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 10:26:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78D5C4450; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:26:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:26:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5EDC4343 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:25:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 29839 invoked by uid 502); 4 Sep 2008 10:25:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.164.249) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 10:25:31 -0000 Message-ID: <48BFB795.1050105@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:25:25 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: The last Weekend's work References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 12:26:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfb7d938082336821329 Ian Nichols wrote: > It was that time of year again.... > > May contain senoritas, definitely contains senoras and several bambinos, plus assorted crusty old bluesmen, extrovert young things and and occasional expression of serenity. > > http://www.ian955.fotopic.net/c1572363.html > Lots to like here. A few too many repetitive shots of musicians for someone who wasn't there. The winners for me this year are the kid shots, especially the ones with the big camera and the umbrella. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 12:30:49 2008 Received: (qmail 27115 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 10:30:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 10:30:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922F4C447F; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:30:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:30:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEE9C45DA for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:28:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31605 invoked by uid 502); 4 Sep 2008 10:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.164.249) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 10:28:24 -0000 Message-ID: <48BFB840.40309@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:28:16 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Desktop intestines, what is the most sensible buy today? References: <636452.88370.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 12:30:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfb8d9129721499373980 Johann Thorsson wrote: > Thank you all for your suggestions. They are helpful. > > Sorry for the late reply on this end, I was just defending my PhD. Sheesh! If I'd known all one had to do do get a PhD is mug a recipient before they get it to a safe place, I might have two or three by now. Too late now; I'm older, slower and don't care any more. :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 12:42:47 2008 Received: (qmail 27362 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 10:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 10:42:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F09C419D; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:42:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:42:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E7DC28A1 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:40:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7713 invoked by uid 502); 4 Sep 2008 10:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.173.248) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 10:40:47 -0000 Message-ID: <48BFBB20.7020107@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:40:32 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scorpion fluorescence UV/Black Light Blue First Try References: <200808312334.m7VNYFAF032682@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> <82D2AF1210AB451685C6B06A2416C42E@daingtanfxkwk9> In-Reply-To: <82D2AF1210AB451685C6B06A2416C42E@daingtanfxkwk9> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 12:42:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfbba7325603675314703 Darin wrote: > Wayne Harridge wrote: > >>> Darin wrote: >>> >>> Just thought I'd share the results of my first attempt at photographing scorpion fluorescence. >> They look very good. What is the difference in technique between 81, 91 & 111 ? >> > > Well, like I said, I didn't think to time the exposures and take notes. So, my best guess is that 91 is the one frame where I desided to try using the spot meter. All others I used Center-weighted metering. > They came out well. If the image numbers are any indication of the number of shots you took, I reiterate my suggestion of using a digital "meter" I'm not suggesting going digital. Back in the olden days, many pros in commercial and portrait photography used polaroid backs to test the lighting and exposure before exposing the MF or LF film. The polaroids were just throw aways to ensure they got the goods. Somewhere, I've got one or two of me in a conference room with my then baby. Management decided to put my rear projection system on the cover of the annual report. So they had the honchos sitting at the conference room looking at a 6x7 foot rear projection screen while an analyst pointed at something of interest. Lighting was tricky, with dimmable overhead fluorescents directed down and the considerable light from the screen from the front. It took several polariods to get it right, and then the real shots were right on. Needless to say, the cover didn't use me, but the girl analyst. A technically obsolete, low MP camera with manual settings could do the same thing today for very little money and a lot of saved time and film. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 13:17:53 2008 Received: (qmail 18027 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 11:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 11:17:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069ACC4210; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:17:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:17:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77011C41BA for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:17:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 11605 invoked by uid 504); 4 Sep 2008 11:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 11:17:32 -0000 Message-ID: <48BFC3CB.8080500@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:17:31 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Family Outings References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 13:17:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfc3e195861470116606 I liked 'em all despite a couple of the kids with minor focus problems. The picture of the baby is adversely affected by the very bright multi-colored blanket being in very sharp focus and acting as a natural draw of the eye away from the baby's face. 'Twere mine I'd selectively blur the blanket very slightly to soften the effect. You are also (just like Nathan) perfectly free to ignore the automatic portraitist response from me. :-) Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > Hi, > My sister visited with her kids this weekend - lots of excitement but I > still managed to take a few pictures. Warning: Contains cute kids, > unsaturated colour, and strangers shot from behind: > > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/weekend2 > > Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 13:25:37 2008 Received: (qmail 2713 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 11:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 11:25:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F0FC2B48; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:25:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:25:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECBCC3BF3 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:24:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AacK1a00Q0QuhwU53bQwkd; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:24:56 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.249.190]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AbQt1a00147DJWo3NbQtfC; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:24:53 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aczUpbCCvvQA:10 a=xCuYubShICAA:10 a=_wHDDr9ubkVrv6FyznMA:9 a=fsWoSgEUXfqSBXBFaWMA:7 a=KUKaos1_kUsJovX0w1nSH1-vxRkA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=Cm1lGbVOD8AA:10 Message-ID: <0219017565F84EE7BE27DF67D11C33A6@daingtanfxkwk9> From: "Darin" To: References: <200808312334.m7VNYFAF032682@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> <82D2AF1210AB451685C6B06A2416C42E@daingtanfxkwk9> <48BFBB20.7020107@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Scorpion fluorescence UV/Black Light Blue First Try Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 04:24:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d.rhein@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 13:25:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfc5b132029347015869 Moose wrote: > Darin wrote: >> Wayne Harridge wrote: >> >>>> Darin wrote: >>>> >>>> Just thought I'd share the results of my first attempt at photographing >>>> scorpion fluorescence. >>> They look very good. What is the difference in technique between 81, 91 >>> & 111 ? >>> >> >> Well, like I said, I didn't think to time the exposures and take notes. >> So, my best guess is that 91 is the one frame where I desided to try >> using the spot meter. All others I used Center-weighted metering. >> > They came out well. If the image numbers are any indication of the > number of shots you took, I reiterate my suggestion of using a digital > "meter" > Thanks Moose! No the image #'s don't reflect the number of shots taken, I only took about 18 total between the two bodies. Photobucket removes decimal points from file names, they should be 8.1, 9.1, and 11.1. Just my way of easily telling the difference between the original scans and copies that have been cropped, resized, or otherwise manipulated. > I'm not suggesting going digital. I'm not really opposed to going digital, I just can't afford it. ;^) > Back in the olden days, many pros in > commercial and portrait photography used polaroid backs to test the > lighting and exposure before exposing the MF or LF film. The polaroids > were just throw aways to ensure they got the goods. Somewhere, I've got > one or two of me in a conference room with my then baby. > > Management decided to put my rear projection system on the cover of the > annual report. So they had the honchos sitting at the conference room > looking at a 6x7 foot rear projection screen while an analyst pointed at > something of interest. Lighting was tricky, with dimmable overhead > fluorescents directed down and the considerable light from the screen > from the front. It took several polariods to get it right, and then the > real shots were right on. > > Needless to say, the cover didn't use me, but the girl analyst. > > A technically obsolete, low MP camera with manual settings could do the > same thing today for very little money and a lot of saved time and film. > > Moose > Thanks for the suggestion, I hadn't thought of using an inexpensive digital in that manor. Darin ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 14:06:00 2008 Received: (qmail 29053 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 12:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 12:05:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B07C5740; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:05:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:05:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3634BC54D6 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:58:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 601 invoked by uid 504); 4 Sep 2008 11:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 11:58:42 -0000 Message-ID: <48BFCD72.5040506@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:58:42 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scott Kelby Photoshop Photowalks References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B22255.20109@chucknorcutt.com> <48BFA6A6.1090300@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48BFA6A6.1090300@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 14:06:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfcf28169491023412894 Thanks for the Moosterization. Always instructive. I like most of them but not all. Some are a bit too much saturation/contrast for my taste but you've effectively corrected my own such problem on the B&W. One of the problems here was a very limited amount of time to get the images posted (not to mention lack of skills) :-) As to the distortion with the Tamron 24-135 you may be correct about a decentered element but the image may also be adversely affected by trying to apply a correction profile from another lens. Some of the distortion is so strong that I did apply a couple other profiles in some cases but I can't recall what was what now. But I don't think I did anything with 914, 915 and 920 which you specifically mention. We'll see what happens when I get back from my trip and have time to get a PTLens profile built for the lens. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I attended the Binghamton, NY version and there were only about 15 photogs in attendance. We're supposed to load photos to a Flickr group but so far I haven't a clue how to do it and the link I've been sent is distinctly unhelpful. Maybe it's just my aversion to Flickr. >> >> Anyhow, I did pick out some shots but there's 49 of them and probably far too many for one person to send up to Flickr. I've temporarily uploaded them to my own site at: >> >> Tell me which you like and don't like and I'll get rid of the chaff. > Catching up; we had house guests Thurs. to Tues. > > I liked many of the images. There are several I personally liked that I > wouldn't enter in a contest and others that I would. > > I generally agree with your comment about tonality of the B&Ws. I would > handle the skies with separate layers, rather than force the whole image > for dark skies. > > I particularly liked 895, 909, 910, 915, 939, 950, 963, 965 and 975. I > also liked 941, 955, 956, 971 and 988, but am not sure others would find > them interesting enough. > > I couldn't resist playing with a few, which also allows me to illustrate > a couple of points. > > > That new lens of yours has some 'interesting" characteristics. In 921, > both edges of the left pillar bow out, while those of the right pillar > bow in opposite directions. > > > Then look at the upper left, where the window swoops up. The same thing > shows up in 625, where the roof line looks like it bends. Maye the > building is raising an eyebrow about what has been done on the front? > > > It's there again in 914, 915 and 920, where even after correcting the > barrel distortion, what I assume should be a fairly horizontal detail on > the building on the left swoops up. > > Looks to me like there is a decentered element/group, as the effect is > only in one corner. > > I hope the rest of my alternate approaches are self-explanatory. No, I > don't think my treatments of 910 and 991 (oops, there's that raised > eyebrow swoop again) are natural; I see them as abstracts. > > Moose > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1650 - Release Date: 9/3/2008 4:13 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 14:11:16 2008 Received: (qmail 11847 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 12:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 12:11:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB0BC56A3; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:10:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:10:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB4BC58A0 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:00:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1909 invoked by uid 504); 4 Sep 2008 12:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 12:00:30 -0000 Message-ID: <48BFCDDE.90506@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:00:30 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Meandering around my neighborhood References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080830232547.0277e548@mail.threshinc.com> <48BA6ECD.1060600@chucknorcutt.com> <48BFA806.1030902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48BFA806.1030902@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 14:11:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfd06430142070262475 Probably my portrait training where horizontal or vertical bars passing through or close to heads is a total no-no. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Yes, I liked the lonesome road as well. Makes me want to see what's >> further on down the way. I also liked the gladiolas > Sing me up for those two and the lone airplane with clouds. >> but that very prominent, horizontal gray bar in the background has got to go. >> > I didn't notice it. funny how we all notice different things. > > Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 14:19:51 2008 Received: (qmail 15040 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 12:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 12:19:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B3CC4FE6; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:19:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:19:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C846EC4B6C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:06:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5761 invoked by uid 504); 4 Sep 2008 12:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 12:06:47 -0000 Message-ID: <48BFCF56.8040201@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:06:46 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scorpion fluorescence UV/Black Light Blue First Try References: <200808312334.m7VNYFAF032682@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> <82D2AF1210AB451685C6B06A2416C42E@daingtanfxkwk9> <48BFBB20.7020107@gmail.com> <0219017565F84EE7BE27DF67D11C33A6@daingtanfxkwk9> In-Reply-To: <0219017565F84EE7BE27DF67D11C33A6@daingtanfxkwk9> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 14:19:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfd267260361585427447 Yes, a digital camera and histogram display makes for the finest light meter available. Chuck Norcutt Darin wrote: > > Moose wrote: > >> Darin wrote: >> >> A technically obsolete, low MP camera with manual settings could do the >> same thing today for very little money and a lot of saved time and film. >> >> Moose >> > > Thanks for the suggestion, I hadn't thought of using an inexpensive digital > in that manor. > > Darin > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 14:23:52 2008 Received: (qmail 8403 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 12:23:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 12:23:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D25C4662; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:23:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:23:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.88]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BBC5C4ACD for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:10:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 95170 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2008 12:10:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=As0qLzWuQGSACV6/SYRP8OZ12nLypSUJ8jKVDyR1VXROD3bjXShJ8SDvgNfoSReA+MF6UfWpgiA5ohUA90YJsmnPjXYQ6zUH6UrRCOKQrkTU9bPSepSfz+ZOhGAnM6LljrTJA89iRHcm30OfblkeO3SA/XUaiNy36w7f80TfRo0=; X-YMail-OSG: KccwQFcVM1nNgUgP6qkW8e8mf2sbT7eWTKgR.u2VRaYVpDscRSUnapkZdLmhaLcmpA-- Received: from [86.162.162.38] by web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:10:45 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:10:45 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN Subject: [OM] Re: Custom OM-4T body To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48BFA907.8010201@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <61684.94117.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: john.duggan10@btinternet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 14:23:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfd358321123675314703 I have often wondered what it would cost to obtain a new top, bottom, and front plate,strip them of finish, and then get them anodised. with the cost of fitting I bet it would cost an "arm and a leg!" BUT can you imagine the camera with custom camera leather (serviced by John H first) of course. Still Dreaming!!!!!!!! Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK --- On Thu, 4/9/08, Moose wrote: - The Champagne OM4-T(i)s are also the oldest ones. > - The colour is a paint that doesn't adhere to the > titanium as well as > the black paint on an OM-4. The black on OM-4Ti also > isn't as robust as > the old paint on brass, but better than the champagne, > which chips and > flakes too easily. > Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 14:51:34 2008 Received: (qmail 8639 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 12:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 12:51:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4169C2795; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:51:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:51:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B349C2F2D for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:43:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so3225250wfd.5 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 05:43:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=y2We5eb79BzOIQKP6wAeoyqYpJumjKnd7sv93KEEctY=; b=V8Ef02ptUKrVNn4E4hJXcSPqSNP7CVu00E88GomJ5PsFRafdFtSvlI5v9Emlgi4Tpn Fbr08dBenPMBwPzEP1lcIhUM+CWwqW+XXUEa8eg+12lnE86R2T5su55dZAQ5QdlQ+xQ0 z2/x5CHVXxMAWfb07hI1Mk33eVjHKd06ld15c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=MKwxpbG9xKi7h2s7NNJ6/4bTA5TU6lYWLeAObkb1EkwdU6H0rqO2aUBRBJwgOpcwAZ 9j301JVQelay7KpcR+/DeoL4er1FOs1OD/r8U1ucnVtFaye+Y8E23nNRqbUOKBLRVVlh Q/9S3RK3uVmFt6v4+2OH+/ugORg7Gbz7b08LI= Received: by 10.142.163.13 with SMTP id l13mr3539678wfe.34.1220532201677; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 05:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.229.15 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3be4f4a80809040543h75803251md1751ace6a87225e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:43:21 +0200 From: "Bart Wientjes" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Custom OM-4T body In-Reply-To: <61684.94117.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48BFA907.8010201@gmail.com> <61684.94117.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bartjew@googlemail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 14:51:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfd9d6184458512572685 My local camera shop had a 4Ti with the paint stripped off the top and bottom. It was COOL! Bart On 9/4/08, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > > I have often wondered what it would cost to obtain a new top, bottom, and front plate,strip them of finish, and then get them anodised. > with the cost of fitting I bet it would cost an "arm and a leg!" BUT can you imagine the camera with custom camera leather (serviced by John H first) of course. > Still Dreaming!!!!!!!! > > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK > > > --- On Thu, 4/9/08, Moose wrote: > > - The Champagne OM4-T(i)s are also the oldest ones. > > - The colour is a paint that doesn't adhere to the > > titanium as well as > > the black paint on an OM-4. The black on OM-4Ti also > > isn't as robust as > > the old paint on brass, but better than the champagne, > > which chips and > > flakes too easily. > > Moose > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 15:38:03 2008 Received: (qmail 6127 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 13:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 13:38:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C15C3DF4; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:37:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:37:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48201C3CA2 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:37:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6O00LEGB72ZKP2@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:37:50 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-8-69.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.8.69]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:37:17 -0300 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:38:17 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: medium format film scanners To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApQRAFuBv0gYighF/2dsb2JhbACBYIdtrmADgWQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,320,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="302588846" References: <47F0F5BB.3020602@verizon.net> <47F1F9FD.9080706@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 15:38:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfe4bb99961499373980 James: I finally got my 9000 last week and have been experimenting with it since. The as-supplied medium format film holder is a joke indeed! How indeed could it be assumed that the film would be anywhere near flat and ttightly fitting? The non-rotating glass MF film holder looks to be idiot proof or so I've so far. You mentioned below to select an autofocus point for each frame on an area of pure colour. How does one auto focus on a particular point of a frame? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "james king" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:01 AM Subject: [OM] Re: medium format film scanners > > om4t@eastlink.ca wrote: >> If anyone has experience with using a high end medium format film scanner >> I will appreciate whatever comments they might have to offer including >> info on the minimum computing power required to do justice to the >> scanner. >> > The minimum requirements for scanning are not that high, the data does > not come out of the scanner that fast and even with quite modest > machines I see no indication of the scan being any slower than my 3.6ghz > over clocked monster. Its the editing that eats resources. Even more so > if you want to edit one picture whilst scanning scanning another. >> In particular, someone has suggested that the Nikon Super Coolscan 9000 >> ED is worth considering. >> > > My 9000ed has performed flawlessly for hundreds of rolls of 35mm and > medium format. It has a few querks for that you need to observe for > example, dont switch the computer on whilst the scanner is initialising > or the scans come out very very dark. This is fixed by switching the > scanner off and on again. If the computer is already fully started up > and you switch the scanner on all is well. > You really need to select the autofocus point for each frame > individually - having the autofocus point on an area of pure white or > very very dark colours does not work and the scanner will try to > autofocus several times and then give up. Autofocus on areas of pure > colour such as blue sky for example seems to work fine for me. > To be honest none of the scans I have made have the impact of a slide on > a light box. You are going to lose some sharpness AND very dark colours > will also tend to become black. I don't care what the Dmax figures are > for a CCD scanner. Scan a HCT calibration slide and crank up the > brightness and you *will* see the loss of colour in the darkest patches > even when its been calibrated using the HCT and 16 bit profiles are > used. Try the same trick with a drum or very very very expensive scanner > and the colours are all there... this loss of dark colour information > occurs on the Minolta scan elite 5400 which is does not have a led light > source and is far worse on the Minolta dual scan 4 (which also suffers > from bad CCD noise and is nto that sharp) >> I know that this subject has been aired before and so to save list space >> taking up old news any off-list responses will be appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> >> John Hudson >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 15:39:26 2008 Received: (qmail 27546 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 13:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 13:39:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33852C3D81; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:39:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:39:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC477C3CDE for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:39:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6O00LUYB8WZMP2@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:38:56 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-8-69.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.8.69]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:38:22 -0300 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:39:24 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: medium format film scanners To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <2E1608F1B511461ABD6BB614EE5465E7@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApQRAJeBv0gYighF/2dsb2JhbACBYIdtrmsDgWQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,320,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="428333915" References: <47F0F5BB.3020602@verizon.net> <47F1F9FD.9080706@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 15:39:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfe50e267018512572685 Sorry, should have gone off-list. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: [OM] Re: medium format film scanners > > James: > > I finally got my 9000 last week and have been experimenting with it since. > The as-supplied medium format film holder is a joke indeed! How indeed > could > it be assumed that the film would be anywhere near flat and ttightly > fitting? The non-rotating glass MF film holder looks to be idiot proof or > so > I've so far. > > You mentioned below to select an autofocus point for each frame on an area > of pure colour. > > How does one auto focus on a particular point of a frame? > > John > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "james king" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:01 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: medium format film scanners > > >> >> om4t@eastlink.ca wrote: >>> If anyone has experience with using a high end medium format film >>> scanner >>> I will appreciate whatever comments they might have to offer including >>> info on the minimum computing power required to do justice to the >>> scanner. >>> >> The minimum requirements for scanning are not that high, the data does >> not come out of the scanner that fast and even with quite modest >> machines I see no indication of the scan being any slower than my 3.6ghz >> over clocked monster. Its the editing that eats resources. Even more so >> if you want to edit one picture whilst scanning scanning another. >>> In particular, someone has suggested that the Nikon Super Coolscan 9000 >>> ED is worth considering. >>> >> >> My 9000ed has performed flawlessly for hundreds of rolls of 35mm and >> medium format. It has a few querks for that you need to observe for >> example, dont switch the computer on whilst the scanner is initialising >> or the scans come out very very dark. This is fixed by switching the >> scanner off and on again. If the computer is already fully started up >> and you switch the scanner on all is well. >> You really need to select the autofocus point for each frame >> individually - having the autofocus point on an area of pure white or >> very very dark colours does not work and the scanner will try to >> autofocus several times and then give up. Autofocus on areas of pure >> colour such as blue sky for example seems to work fine for me. >> To be honest none of the scans I have made have the impact of a slide on >> a light box. You are going to lose some sharpness AND very dark colours >> will also tend to become black. I don't care what the Dmax figures are >> for a CCD scanner. Scan a HCT calibration slide and crank up the >> brightness and you *will* see the loss of colour in the darkest patches >> even when its been calibrated using the HCT and 16 bit profiles are >> used. Try the same trick with a drum or very very very expensive scanner >> and the colours are all there... this loss of dark colour information >> occurs on the Minolta scan elite 5400 which is does not have a led light >> source and is far worse on the Minolta dual scan 4 (which also suffers >> from bad CCD noise and is nto that sharp) >>> I know that this subject has been aired before and so to save list space >>> taking up old news any off-list responses will be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> John Hudson >>> >>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >> >> >> Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 16:17:05 2008 Received: (qmail 13292 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 14:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 14:17:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C461EC3E18; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB254C3FE5 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:14:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KbFbi-0004O3-Fo for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:14:46 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <48BFA907.8010201@gmail.com> <61684.94117.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Custom OM-4T body Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:14:41 +0100 Message-ID: <002a01c90e98$933f8040$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AckOiRVzuQCZoK45R9Oc27ATXu2RrAACl5jg In-Reply-To: <61684.94117.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080904-0, 04/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8153/Thu Sep 4 03:27:59 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 16:17:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48bfede1176751823421471 It has been done, John, as you might have guessed by my posting the availability of a set of used top, bottom, front, but that was replacement with the stock black finish. Having "been inside" I can tell you that it's not just the stripping of the finish that you need to do (you want a ready-stripped 4T top plate? Guess who has one of those, too) because there are several components which are fixed onto the inside of the top and bottom plates. Some are screwed on. Many are fixed with epoxy resin and can - eventually - be persuaded to part company. But there is one part which is a blackened brass insertion, pressed in probably when the top plate is being formed. If memory serves it's the base of the wind-on lever. You'll never shift it - I suspect the "impurity" might presnt a challenge to successful anodising of the titanium. But it's a nice idea :-) -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of JOHN DUGGAN Sent: 04 September 2008 13:11 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Custom OM-4T body I have often wondered what it would cost to obtain a new top, bottom, and front plate,strip them of finish, and then get them anodised. with the cost of fitting I bet it would cost an "arm and a leg!" BUT can you imagine the camera with custom camera leather (serviced by John H first) of course. Still Dreaming!!!!!!!! Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK --- On Thu, 4/9/08, Moose wrote: - The Champagne OM4-T(i)s are also the oldest ones. > - The colour is a paint that doesn't adhere to the titanium as well as > the black paint on an OM-4. The black on OM-4Ti also isn't as robust > as the old paint on brass, but better than the champagne, which chips > and flakes too easily. > Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 19:12:54 2008 Received: (qmail 17322 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 17:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 17:12:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1007C3B6B; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:12:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:12:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663E1C4A89 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:09:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080904170946H06009tpude>; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:09:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Subject: [OM] IMG: Cutoff Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:09:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 19:12:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0171654111869477228 I don't usually have captive subjects. Today, while watching a crew take down one of our backyard oaks that had deteriorated to the point that it was dangerous, I got a chance to get a few shots with people in them. While I observed and our resident female hummingbird fumed, the crew trimmed the oak and then dropped the trunk in managable sections. One section should provide some nice, long oak boards, because the contractor has his own sawmill. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cutoff.tif.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 19:20:33 2008 Received: (qmail 21690 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 17:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 17:20:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47699C3EE3; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:20:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:20:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71772C47B6 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:17:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id C16A830DP3 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:17:33 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:17:32 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] IMG: Cutoff Thread-Index: AckOsYNFAkgXSQ3mQd+o5Oq+JnVhdwAAHgMg From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2008 17:17:33.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E519380:01C90EB2] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 19:20:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c018e1261898512572685 Did you have to pay for the felling/removal, or is there some trade for good wood going on? I know arborists around here get quite a hefty fee for any tree felling/removal. First hand, I know. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:10 AM To: LUG@Leica-Users.org Cc: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] IMG: Cutoff I don't usually have captive subjects. Today, while watching a crew take down one of our backyard oaks that had deteriorated to the point that it was dangerous, I got a chance to get a few shots with people in them. While I observed and our resident female hummingbird fumed, the crew trimmed the oak and then dropped the trunk in managable sections. One section should provide some nice, long oak boards, because the contractor has his own sawmill. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cutoff.tif.html Comments and critiques welcomed. 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 19:47:30 2008 Received: (qmail 3786 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 17:47:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 17:47:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2780C3B5F; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:47:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:47:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFA3C2B84 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:47:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.bf7.42bcb8c9 (37048) for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB036-90b848c01f2121d; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:47:13 -0400 Received: from FWM-M45 (fwm-m45.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.247]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA033-5bbc48c01f08207; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:46:48 -0400 References: <8CADCBC5673A4E3-17E4-18B@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Trip to Valle de Bravo- winter home of the Monarch Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:46:48 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 In-Reply-To: <8CADCBC5673A4E3-17E4-18B@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.247) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:46:48 -0400 Message-Id: <8CADCCD56F1F4AD-1E98-54D@FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 19:47:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c01f32231031234514069 I hope this works; Zoto is getting cranky and I hope they don't turn the lights off w/o notice. :-(( It usually works if you check back in a few hours. I'd better post the Mooseland trip soon. It's been a very long time coming, but prepared this for the list. We stayed at Finca Enyhe for about a week, not too far from one site where the Monarchs over winter in fir forests. We were on horse back for about 8 hours per day. There is a cooking school at the farmette and one can do the Valle de Bravo "light" ride with riding in an the AM only and cooking classes in the PM.    The lunches and dinners were nearly always an A+. If we dismounted at the Finca, Louis would take your bar order immediately upon dismounting and bring it to the pool if so desired. Not so bad.      About half the shots are Marnie's. I can't link to a specific shot in an album in zoto unless I choose a different size and it lacks the borders etc.    http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/albums/15851/    The first several are form where we stayed. I'll comment on a few:      Monarchs, monarchs, monarchs!    http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#f4bba6ef077801822fd40c23275374f4    Monarch kit: OM4T Viv s1 90mm, Z. 50 f2, Z. 50-250, G9  As per Moose's link to the OM 4T torture test, the cam was up to the task.    I rode with a ba ckpack for the Monarch day, but it was hot and a bit cumbersome at the canter. Perhaps a camera saddlebag rig exists. I was hell bent to get a couple nice shots, though the guide to the Monarchs (not our ride guide who owns the finca) gave us only 15 minutes. It seemed like 30 seconds and when I looked around, there was no one in sight. I had to scamper back to to where the horses were--a good hike.      Lunch---a very nice mule followed us. He was very important as he had the beer.    http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#c45ad6342d27f1674b252f809867465e    Our fearless leader, owner of the finca:    http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#be597bf37a4069ae9ed65f3e971e3456    On the day before Easter, we meandered into town. Being inspired by Nathan we took some shots.  The shops were well stocked with food:    http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#6c357b3c74b38dda0d76eea6b566cd1c    Everyone seemed to be in a festive mood:    http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#be897ab4732ec0ee528a3ce99eab1acf    We happened across the "Lilly Lady" presumptively transporting them home for the holiday.    http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#2630c7557cabe7118800489c9146af49      I requested the "camera horse." He was just a good egg with comfortable gaits and would not go haywire if I stopped him  on a dime to frame a shot with the XA while the othe rs went on ahead ---This formation is known as the "Three Kings."  I don't remember it being as hazy as depicted.  Oly XA portra 400VC    http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#b8537bd6363296ed37a98514096cd284    Comments, criticisms, alterations, all welcome.    Mike        ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 20:04:07 2008 Received: (qmail 8045 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 18:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 18:04:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C865AC350A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:03:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:03:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23ADEC28F0 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:02:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080904180228H03002a937e>; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:02:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <995108F297DA4CC2996377CA2E4A2ACF@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:02:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 20:04:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c02317164174673671140 Jim, Yes, I have to pay, but haven't got the final bill yet. Only one section of the trunk is useable. It was hollow at the base and in a fork, above. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timpe, Jim" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff > > Did you have to pay for the felling/removal, or is there some trade for > good wood going on? > I know arborists around here get quite a hefty fee for any tree > felling/removal. First hand, I know. > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of Jim Nichols > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:10 AM > To: LUG@Leica-Users.org > Cc: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] IMG: Cutoff > > > > I don't usually have captive subjects. Today, while watching a crew > take down one of our backyard oaks that had deteriorated to the point > that it was dangerous, I got a chance to get a few shots with people in > them. While I observed and our resident female hummingbird fumed, the > crew trimmed the oak and then dropped the trunk in managable sections. > One section should provide some nice, long oak boards, because the > contractor has his own sawmill. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cutoff.tif.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > This message (including any attachments) contains confidential > and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. > Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on > the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may > constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to > this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you > have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender > immediately. > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 20:06:17 2008 Received: (qmail 28670 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 18:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 18:06:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421E1C2FCF; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:06:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:06:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [207.115.11.55]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5044BC2DC0 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:06:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080904180558H0500e9f2oe>; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:05:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <4E8B0ED9BE94473CAEF6B942D759C88D@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Subject: [OM] IMG: Backyard Logging Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:06:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 20:06:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0239927731023412894 One last image from the tree removal effort. This log should make decent oak lumber. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Backyard+Logging.tif.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 20:25:55 2008 Received: (qmail 6966 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 18:25:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 18:25:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E837C3051; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:25:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:25:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429C0C45CD for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:23:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080904182306.MUDG22820.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:23:06 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.138]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id AiP51a00F2zrj1Q02iP62x; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:23:06 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c90f39$657f8be0$8af06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <995108F297DA4CC2996377CA2E4A2ACF@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 04:25:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 20:25:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c028333271993019900 That's one to five thousand here, depending on the crew. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:02 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff > > Jim, > > Yes, I have to pay, but haven't got the final bill yet. Only one section > of > the trunk is useable. It was hollow at the base and in a fork, above. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timpe, Jim" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:17 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff > > >> >> Did you have to pay for the felling/removal, or is there some trade for >> good wood going on? >> I know arborists around here get quite a hefty fee for any tree >> felling/removal. First hand, I know. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >> Behalf Of Jim Nichols >> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:10 AM >> To: LUG@Leica-Users.org >> Cc: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] IMG: Cutoff >> >> >> >> I don't usually have captive subjects. Today, while watching a crew >> take down one of our backyard oaks that had deteriorated to the point >> that it was dangerous, I got a chance to get a few shots with people in >> them. While I observed and our resident female hummingbird fumed, the >> crew trimmed the oak and then dropped the trunk in managable sections. >> One section should provide some nice, long oak boards, because the >> contractor has his own sawmill. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cutoff.tif.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> This message (including any attachments) contains confidential >> and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. >> Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on >> the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may >> constitute a violation of law. 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(chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 18:45:25 -0000 Message-ID: <48C02CC5.3040405@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:45:25 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 20:45:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c02cd336881838542571 Looks like ya got some nice wood there. If it's priced anything like what I just paid for 12 feet of cherry crown molding you'll soon be rich. :-) Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > I don't usually have captive subjects. Today, while watching a crew > take down one of our backyard oaks that had deteriorated to the point > that it was dangerous, I got a chance to get a few shots with people > in them. While I observed and our resident female hummingbird fumed, > the crew trimmed the oak and then dropped the trunk in managable > sections. One section should provide some nice, long oak boards, > because the contractor has his own sawmill. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cutoff.tif.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 20:48:33 2008 Received: (qmail 10398 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 18:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 18:48:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DB2C30BA; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:48:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:48:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E91C3C7E for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:48:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080904184818H01000c9g4e>; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:48:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <06E32E61D50B4081BED15278BC53E303@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <48C02CC5.3040405@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:48:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 20:48:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c02d81182551257536491 Chuck, This is more suited for barn timber than it is for trim. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:45 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff > Looks like ya got some nice wood there. If it's priced anything like > what I just paid for 12 feet of cherry crown molding you'll soon be > rich. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> I don't usually have captive subjects. Today, while watching a crew >> take down one of our backyard oaks that had deteriorated to the point >> that it was dangerous, I got a chance to get a few shots with people >> in them. While I observed and our resident female hummingbird fumed, >> the crew trimmed the oak and then dropped the trunk in managable >> sections. One section should provide some nice, long oak boards, >> because the contractor has his own sawmill. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cutoff.tif.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 21:09:46 2008 Received: (qmail 8491 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 19:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 19:09:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A7EC3CA1; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:09:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:09:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F322C3BE3 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:09:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24030 invoked by uid 502); 4 Sep 2008 19:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.167.92) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 19:09:32 -0000 Message-ID: <48C03267.9040309@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:09:27 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Custom OM-4T body References: <61684.94117.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <61684.94117.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 21:09:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0327a77869117217770 JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > I have often wondered what it would cost to obtain a new top, bottom, and front plate,strip them of finish, and then get them anodised. > I'm sure I've seen photos of such a camera, maybe even a couple. But it was years ago, and I don't remember where. I remember that anodizing could be done in different colours. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 21:22:10 2008 Received: (qmail 20176 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 19:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 19:22:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0379C3C26; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:21:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:21:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.226]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FC4C3B0C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:21:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 37so93680wra.17 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:21:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=oKN/I5OLi7BlMN+S4QJhLhDBGfBm3oQEqeb1OPUVCQw=; b=v7KjEctp6DBnRMw1jlOblkvCh+1KfbzT10MfKPOcpC6QZ6NogTsrjDqu31YTnDix42 tuUbLbusfpYv4A8n6rMnKVdaXXCMXjlmjpr9XBozC5W56HPWSuoK70T6fKyNrGu1c7gy T0S01pUXjoKK0VCjgNVzXOlKMY7F8I3BbISEw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=VfcX5X1HHe1KoNuUSqDx7fF6DZ2tDzM02zgyqfMZtIqam4hn3iPVj0c+TwXulpZhLf uC3N7jfCKVpd0CjKyl5/KWoslo/TROGasD+KNIyJP4RmfzYnzvCcaB/R2GF0sDnnH6Wm uFG0fQ1xkya9G4GlckOYW7yTJPsL/93oSnWfI= Received: by 10.90.29.13 with SMTP id c13mr13606778agc.32.1220556116547; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:21:56 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Opinion and shameless plug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8c8842a52df6431c X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 21:22:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c03562302462070262475 Having a little change jangling in my pocket and being in Chicago, I made it to Calumet Photo. There, I managed to score an FS2 Grid Screen and a replacement eyecup for my E-1. The eyecup is somewhat an improvement over the stock one, but the grid screen was the big deal for me. Now, please understand that I'm one to like my finder screens to be totally blank with nothing on them--no lines, focus-aids, etc. So why did I buy the grid screen? Crooked horizons. This has been my reoccuring curse with the 4/3 format. Without the longer image base, I find it harder to keep my horizons level. Much harder. Too the point where I've almost chucked my camera over a bridge more than once. Well, maybe the grid will help, eh? I'm quite pleased with the grid screen. The lines are finely etched and honestly are not nearly as interruptive as I thought they would be. Quite bearable, really. Anyway, to the shameless plug: They still have a few more in stock and the price was something like $27. If you could, please visit www.zone-10.comand click on the advertisement for Calumet. The commission ain't much, but every dime is helpful. Thank you. AG -- Ken Norton http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 22:48:37 2008 Received: (qmail 4939 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 20:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 20:48:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34100C3BB3; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:48:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:48:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EC3C3B97 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:48:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15518 invoked by uid 502); 4 Sep 2008 20:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.183.90) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 20:48:22 -0000 Message-ID: <48C04994.5090000@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:48:20 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Trip to Valle de Bravo- winter home of the Monarch References: <8CADCBC5673A4E3-17E4-18B@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> <8CADCCD56F1F4AD-1E98-54D@FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CADCCD56F1F4AD-1E98-54D@FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 22:48:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c049a5215469117217770 usher99@aol.com wrote: > I hope this works; Zoto is getting cranky ... I can't link to a specific shot in an album in zoto unless I choose a different size and it lacks the borders etc. > > http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/albums/15851/ > Cranky indeed. All I get here is an empty screen. It's possible to browse through and get Flickr like - ick- access to other sizes here. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 23:03:23 2008 Received: (qmail 26319 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 21:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 21:03:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FEA8C355E; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:03:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:03:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342DFC3852 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:03:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Aeew1a01z0ldTLk56l386f; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:03:08 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.249.190]) by OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Al361a00q47DJWo3Ql37vw; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:03:07 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zVS1B-NOeKyPW27sPjoA:9 a=QaeT3j72y-Tz-soSxrBDOF9mKigA:4 a=jXk-Exju8_oA:10 Message-ID: <0F7D3D9A4DCA425EAEE3AF67A4A3F5AE@daingtanfxkwk9> From: "Darin" To: References: <61684.94117.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Custom OM-4T body Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:03:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d.rhein@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 23:03:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c04d1b126277927319144 JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > > I have often wondered what it would cost to obtain a new top, bottom, and > front plate,strip them of finish, and then get them anodised. > with the cost of fitting I bet it would cost an "arm and a leg!" BUT can > you imagine the camera with custom camera leather (serviced by John H > first) of course. > Still Dreaming!!!!!!!! > The anodizing itself shouldn't be to cost prohibitive, no more so than say getting something crome dipped. The problem I see, and I could be mistaken, is that the anodizing, being a chemical reaction, will cover the entire piece, you can't do any masking like you can with paint. So, all the writing on the top plate would come out the same color as the rest of the plate, and any writing that's just painted on, like the "Olympus" and "OM-4Ti" on the front would be totally gone. Of course, you could always have the writing machine engraved into the anodizing. I've seen this done and it looks very nice. Darin ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 4 23:37:05 2008 Received: (qmail 32617 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 21:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 21:37:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8304C33A8; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:36:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:36:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBD7C2CBA for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:36:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so71570nfi.19 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:36:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=8SuwpkUYPoA8/oC/5hSR4rNwC+yCkbjDVuGLWD36lP0=; b=rspvrPNT0jW9ChFkDrn/R/zzvuA1JprM/AbFPSEDDf11nvouSoYN5ppQugH31HMNzn eA3veqfJSXAPnBGwg/4/UmDKpR+BwmTWIXnda+5cC8ucHFXtYu5ZNHe/MV71lbLAy17+ lcHVSfqCTh8o/eeh5ZE8CPf4QUlaOc/YeYT1w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=l2sBhzYjbGOFfnpTTNNZ5JMtln9EhZHqxuWyK9LWsdGPX8WvzkAKG6BMF93eb+Haft q4vf3mmZIE+KLJX5A/0+vVHRKnnEjuwhkiO3sG7awvNOqnNHXStq3gZ02qlcE/Qnh1xl DzgXsH5d0FLCSwb07ZH7BLziIGa0M23eI4e2g= Received: by 10.187.211.3 with SMTP id n3mr2488346faq.28.1220564212989; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.187.158.17 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:36:52 +0100 From: "Ian Nichols" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: The last Weekend's work In-Reply-To: <48BFB795.1050105@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48BFB795.1050105@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ian.a.nichols@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 4 23:37:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c05501269531529615919 2008/9/4 Moose : > Lots to like here. A few too many repetitive shots of musicians for > someone who wasn't there. Ta, forgot to mention the mad Welsh poet, who might be mistaken for a musician.... but you wouldn't know that if you werent't there ;) > The winners for me this year are the kid shots, especially the ones with > the big camera and the umbrella. I quite liked those. Surprisingly perhaps, I've yet to be challenged by a suspicious parent. I guess they're all used to me by now - been going to this one for about a decade now. -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 00:31:29 2008 Received: (qmail 10820 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 22:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 22:31:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4EE0C331B; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:31:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:31:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274EEC2D50 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:31:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080904223113H0600a098re>; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:31:13 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <995108F297DA4CC2996377CA2E4A2ACF@jimnichols> <002501c90f39$657f8be0$8af06744@youra9279112e3> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:31:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 00:31:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c061c1271911946193717 Bill, I have now paid the bill. Maybe I got a good price because they were already in my yard doing some smaller jobs for me. The cost was $725 to take down the tree and $100 to grind the stump. Their new stump grinder was like nothing I had seen before, but I failed to get a photo. It was self-propelled, on crawler tracks, and was controlled by a small remote hand-held box. Did a great job. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pearce" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 4:25 AM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff > > That's one to five thousand here, depending on the crew. > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:02 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff > > >> >> Jim, >> >> Yes, I have to pay, but haven't got the final bill yet. Only one section >> of >> the trunk is useable. It was hollow at the base and in a fork, above. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Timpe, Jim" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:17 PM >> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff >> >> >>> >>> Did you have to pay for the felling/removal, or is there some trade for >>> good wood going on? >>> I know arborists around here get quite a hefty fee for any tree >>> felling/removal. First hand, I know. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >>> Behalf Of Jim Nichols >>> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:10 AM >>> To: LUG@Leica-Users.org >>> Cc: olympus@ml.free.fr >>> Subject: [OM] IMG: Cutoff >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't usually have captive subjects. Today, while watching a crew >>> take down one of our backyard oaks that had deteriorated to the point >>> that it was dangerous, I got a chance to get a few shots with people in >>> them. While I observed and our resident female hummingbird fumed, the >>> crew trimmed the oak and then dropped the trunk in managable sections. >>> One section should provide some nice, long oak boards, because the >>> contractor has his own sawmill. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cutoff.tif.html >>> >>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >>> >>> This message (including any attachments) contains confidential >>> and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. >>> Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on >>> the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may >>> constitute a violation of law. 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If you >>> have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender >>> immediately. >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 00:53:27 2008 Received: (qmail 2086 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 22:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 22:53:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932D3C305D; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:53:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:53:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8107C2E9A for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:53:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-5.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.5]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080904225311H03002eir0e>; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:53:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.5] Message-ID: <001801c90ee0$fef98b80$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080901022423.00c4ecb0@mail.threshinc.com> <00fd01c90cfb$f5bbcce0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48BD46E6.1000000@chucknorcutt.com> <027201c90dd2$c16f4d40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48BEBACE.9060907@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:53:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 00:53:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c066e7257511946193717 Ah, "Dandelion Wine", I just finished reading it. I thought I had read it as a boy. I must have somehow missed it as I've read most of Bradburys' work... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:26 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Abstract crow with 135/3.5 > Where does one buy Russian "Dandelions"? Do they make good wine? :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 01:02:55 2008 Received: (qmail 27861 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 23:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 23:02:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22F5C2F4F; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:02:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:02:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E694C2F9A for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:02:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-5.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.5]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080904230242H03002b79he>; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:02:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.5] Message-ID: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: Subject: [OM] [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:02:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 01:02:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0691e131571035110158 I was called into the Personnel Directors' office today and told I was being let go after 21 years with my company. Looks like I'll be diving into my closets and drawers to unload a bunch of OM gear. I don't think it will fetch very high prices these days :) "Buy high sell low" seems to be my motto :) I just love this "Global Economy" :) Chuck, sorry not to have really perused your Photowalk pics to a degree to comment on them. We had one here in Louisville also. I posted mine to the Flickr site. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22177136@N00/ Bob ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 01:12:13 2008 Received: (qmail 30426 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 23:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 23:12:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 619D9C27BB; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:12:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:12:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [207.115.11.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F01C3149 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:12:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20080904231200H02000ucite>; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:12:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <9059CC2E13F04D0BB6E1816DBF55C936@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:11:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 01:12:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c06b4d246691234514069 Bob, As the originator of the earlier "cutoff" thread, I'm sorry to hear your news. It makes one realize just how small some of our worries really are. Here's wishing you the best. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Docherty" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: [OM] [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof > > I was called into the Personnel Directors' office today and told I was > being let go after 21 years with my company. Looks like I'll be diving > into my closets and drawers to unload a bunch of OM gear. I don't think it > will fetch very high prices these days :) > "Buy high sell low" seems to be my motto :) I just love this "Global > Economy" :) > Chuck, sorry not to have really perused your Photowalk pics to a degree to > comment on them. We had one here in Louisville also. I posted mine to the > Flickr site. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/22177136@N00/ > > Bob > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 01:35:52 2008 Received: (qmail 32076 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 23:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 23:35:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778C8C4931; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:35:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:35:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD25C41A6 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:31:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c95.3847e079 (37547) for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB028-92ab48c06fac2b7; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:30:52 -0400 Received: from FWM-M45 (fwm-m45.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.247]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA017-5c4948c06fa4209; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:30:44 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Trip to Valle de Bravo- winter home of the Monarch Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:30:44 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.247) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:30:44 -0400 Message-Id: <8CADCFD62EB0D11-1E98-1CDB@FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 01:35:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c070d8105491023412894 Thanks for trying, Moose. Sorry folks, the troubles usually clear within 24 hours. It looks my PAY (Picture a year) series will have to wait. The blank screen phenomenon seems to depend on time of day and the ISP and it happens in my office but rarely from home, unless they were backing up a server. I have been oblivious to Zoto's near collapse as it most often has been fine and I almost never check their forum---why bother? http://nunovo.org.uk/wordpress/archives/22 I don't look fwd to moving entire galleries, but looks like there is no choice. Pbase or smugmug seem to get the most votes? If zoto works for a while they can send a copy of the original to Flickr but I remember Moose's lukewarm endorsement of that. ("flickr sux") I will pay close attention to any suggestions on which to use or how to move the galleries. A most perturbed Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 01:42:40 2008 Received: (qmail 29591 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 23:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 23:42:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF65C32F9; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:42:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:42:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37725C319B for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:42:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so166760wfd.5 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:42:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=LRm3tC102IlfRBkfeUPoa/l2hT5HFZsFzdxULoIXmDI=; b=glN5Sn/mXmBdhxiUauea6ubAHRnoEufwInY9GXyqmvPDE2qV32aeVc2091NhS4bBWI CUhC9BtNpWA+0N9PuZd0MGPY/6zsh0sxE+xUKlq8fCvZmqQ8SB0WOuU76N9HAuu/n3js TlkTo/QTwtuwWnAdNF9sclwQLL6uWp7PI6mh4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=EuhksMmR7xcYmX0ycl1WiPype0FfY7iyz/3xxwleJaniuF0coTAXrFj17zNx+n6/61 z5oqCU/yBZvOKrUOnRGPGSVCJzuAB1/oMSczW2v9Dzkdflud0pr2F3lHcaoilCzr6AFE ytb4CJCyGDCKiu+7iXCV49tIix3ddmsbGIAgs= Received: by 10.142.245.10 with SMTP id s10mr3782749wfh.288.1220571746092; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.173.10 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:41:56 +0800 From: "Sandy Harris" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof In-Reply-To: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: sandyinchina@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 01:42:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c07270324191869477228 Bob Docherty wrote: > I was called into the Personnel Directors' office today and told I was being let go ... Ouch! My sympathy, and wishes for good luck in whatever comes next. > ... I just love this "Global Economy" :) Definitely not for everyone, but a possibility some might consider is going somewhere exotic as an English teacher. Photo opportunities abound. Demand is nearly infinite and almost any native speaker can get work, though the better jobs tend to require qualifications. Introductory article: http://wikitravel.org/en/Teaching_English In third world countries, the money is generally appalling by Western standards. e.g I make just under $1000 a month here in China, some of my friends nearer $500. However, nearly every job provides a free apartment, income tax is negligible, and prices for most things are really low. As long as stay in China, I have about the spending power that I would making $70,000 a year back in Canada. Paying for a trip home or saving up for a better camera is hard, though. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 01:45:04 2008 Received: (qmail 20583 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 23:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 23:45:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2F4C3386; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:44:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:44:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA5EC2CF3 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 6513 invoked by uid 504); 4 Sep 2008 23:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 23:44:50 -0000 Message-ID: <48C072F2.2010608@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:44:50 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof References: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> In-Reply-To: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 01:45:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c07300188731342116753 Hey, some nice stuff there. I especially like the painter, the sleeper and the reflections. But what a bummer on the job scene and after 21 years. Must be you were building up too much of a retirement fund. Yecchh! Chuck Norcutt Bob Docherty wrote: > I was called into the Personnel Directors' office today and told I was being let go after 21 years with my company. Looks like I'll be diving into my closets and drawers to unload a bunch of OM gear. I don't think it will fetch very high prices these days :) > "Buy high sell low" seems to be my motto :) I just love this "Global Economy" :) > Chuck, sorry not to have really perused your Photowalk pics to a degree to comment on them. We had one here in Louisville also. I posted mine to the Flickr site. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/22177136@N00/ > > Bob > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 01:52:41 2008 Received: (qmail 28711 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 23:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 23:52:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC35C3209; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:52:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:52:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [204.127.217.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E155C2F9B for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:52:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-5.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.5]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080904235228H01000go3ce>; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:52:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.5] Message-ID: <005e01c90ee9$471a3b00$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> <9059CC2E13F04D0BB6E1816DBF55C936@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:52:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 01:52:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c074c9184702070262475 Jim, Thanks for the thoughts. I've seen this coming, so it's not really a shock. It's as though a weight has been lifted in actuality :) Fortunately, I'm young and can easily find a similar IT position :) I hear there's a shortage of 52 year old IT professionals without a degree :) Time for something different I'd guess... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof > > Bob, > > As the originator of the earlier "cutoff" thread, I'm sorry to hear your > news. It makes one realize just how small some of our worries really are. > Here's wishing you the best. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 02:06:37 2008 Received: (qmail 31356 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 00:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 00:06:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20531C30E2; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E2FC2877 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:06:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 4898 invoked by uid 502); 5 Sep 2008 00:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.190.39) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 Sep 2008 00:06:24 -0000 Message-ID: <48C077FD.8040505@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:06:21 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Trip to Valle de Bravo- winter home of the Monarch References: <8CADCBC5673A4E3-17E4-18B@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> <8CADCCD56F1F4AD-1E98-54D@FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CADCCD56F1F4AD-1E98-54D@FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 02:06:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0780d40222046811720 usher99@aol.com wrote: > ... > > It's been a very long time coming, but prepared this for the list. We stayed at Finca Enyhe for about a week, not too far from one site where the Monarchs over winter in fir forests. We were on horse back for about 8 hours per day. I think that would have done me a serious injury. > There is a cooking school at the farmette and one can do the Valle de Bravo "light" ride with riding in an the AM only and cooking classes in the PM. > Saved! > > The lunches and dinners were nearly always an A+. If we dismounted at the Finca, Louis would take your bar order immediately upon dismounting and bring it to the pool if so desired. Not so bad. > Better and better. > > We happened across the "Lilly Lady" presumptively transporting them home for the holiday. > > http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#2630c7557cabe7118800489c9146af49 > Now that is just one of the finest photographs I've seen. Reminds me of Diego Rivera's lily paintings, but is so much more human and personal. Her expression is just perfect - not sad, perhaps not quite happy, so serene. I think that's what real saints look like, quiet, content, carrying peace around with them. I'm sure I prefer the blurred background of my version, the increased highlight detail and greater detail in hair, shawl, etc. I'm not sure I've got the face to my satisfaction yet. > > ... > ---This formation is known as the "Three Kings." I don't remember it being as hazy as depicted. Oly XA portra 400VC > > http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#b8537bd6363296ed37a98514096cd284 > Our visual systems do a great job of compensating. One has to consciously switch into something like "literal mode" to see how much haze and loss of contrast there is in a subject like this. There's another Moose who came up with the idea of a combined C. Pol. and 81a filter for this sort of situation. This Moose does it in his semi-dark room. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 02:34:24 2008 Received: (qmail 26287 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 00:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 00:34:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23932C3467; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:34:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:34:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [207.115.11.54]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFE3C3398 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:34:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-5.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.5]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080905003411H04009cuhpe>; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:34:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.5] Message-ID: <009f01c90eef$1ab0b250$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:34:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 02:34:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c07e9059377350615338 Sandy, It sounds like an interesting adventure, but I've still got to wean my kids :) My youngest just turned 18, daughter, the boys need a wake up call to reality, 20&21, and it would be too hard to separate myself from them at this point in our lives. Although, it would probably force the issue of responsibilty and self actualization :) Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Harris" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 7:41 PM Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof > > Bob Docherty wrote: > >> I was called into the Personnel Directors' office today and told I was >> being let go ... > > Ouch! My sympathy, and wishes for good luck in whatever comes next. > >> ... I just love this "Global Economy" :) > > Definitely not for everyone, but a possibility some might consider is > going > somewhere exotic as an English teacher. Photo opportunities abound. > > Demand is nearly infinite and almost any native speaker can get work, > though the better jobs tend to require qualifications. Introductory > article: > http://wikitravel.org/en/Teaching_English > > In third world countries, the money is generally appalling by Western > standards. e.g I make just under $1000 a month here in China, some > of my friends nearer $500. > > However, nearly every job provides a free apartment, income tax is > negligible, and prices for most things are really low. As long as stay > in China, I have about the spending power that I would making $70,000 > a year back in Canada. Paying for a trip home or saving up for a better > camera is hard, though. > > -- > Sandy Harris, > Quanzhou, Fujian, China > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 02:36:14 2008 Received: (qmail 27216 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 00:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 00:36:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24C6C2FAD; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:36:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:36:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4336BC33EE for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:36:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-5.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.5]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080905003602H01000e769e>; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:36:02 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.5] Message-ID: <00a901c90eef$5ce5dab0$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> <48C072F2.2010608@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:35:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 02:36:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c07efe114142046811720 Chuck, Right on the mark :) My retirement was just starting to properly build now... Thanks for the comments on the pics. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof > Hey, some nice stuff there. I especially like the painter, the sleeper > and the reflections. But what a bummer on the job scene and after 21 > years. Must be you were building up too much of a retirement fund. > Yecchh! > > Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 03:13:36 2008 Received: (qmail 17224 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 01:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 01:13:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4278BC3418; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 03:13:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:13:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [207.115.11.54]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC2BC2B11 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 03:12:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-5.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.5]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080905011227H04009goqde>; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:12:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.5] Message-ID: <00c301c90ef4$73ab3920$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B34922.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Not a single comment? Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:12:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 03:13:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c087c0279789117217770 Chuck, I like the Church Steeple 6931 with the B&W treatment the best. 6910 appeals to me also, along with 6915. 6965 looks like it could be interesting too if I could see a larger image.6950 is also nice. I guess I'm seeing a pattern in my choices, I need to go out and shoot more black and white :) Minimilism I guess.. the taxi drivers feet was a fun shot.. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:06 PM Subject: [OM] Not a single comment? > Maybe this shouldn't have been posted under "Scott Kelby Photowalks". > In any case I haven't received a single comment good or bad about the > photo link I posted. I know I'm a bit out of my element trying to take > photos more akin to Nathan but... are they that bad? Yeah, I know, no > beach, no beach babes and no cute waitresses. Actually, even very few > people. Characteristic of the decline of upstate New York, I guess. > Much of the city is empty including the otherwise delightful river walk. > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 04:19:24 2008 Received: (qmail 32463 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 02:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 02:19:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFA3C3704; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 04:19:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:19:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDA0C3923 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 04:18:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15805 invoked by uid 502); 5 Sep 2008 02:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.198.19) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 Sep 2008 02:18:10 -0000 Message-ID: <48C096DE.4060507@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:18:06 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yorkshire Sculpture Park References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 04:19:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0972c77691342116753 Tom Fenwick wrote: > Another visit to the Yorkshire Sculpture Park on Sunday. Some of the photos even include the sculpture! > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/sculpture_park > I like pretty much all of these. #1 has to be the winner for me, with the juxtaposition of those massive, sterile geometric shapes on flat sterile ground with the little legs and boots. it makes me smile, and that can't be bad. My other favorites are 5, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 11. I'd be tempted to cut the grass off of #10, to see it as pure abstraction. #5 would also tempt me to try it with the right 40% or so cropped off to make a more focused, vertical composition. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 05:53:32 2008 Received: (qmail 16011 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 03:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 03:53:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711F0C2FB9; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 05:53:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:53:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECACDC3134 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 05:53:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.d37.2c74ca22 (37132) for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA026-910c48c0ad2b28e; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:53:15 -0400 Received: from webmail-me17 (webmail-me17.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.209]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA013-5bac48c0ad2aaf; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:53:14 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] [OT] Speaking of Cutoof Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:53:14 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by webmail-me17.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.209) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:53:14 -0400 Message-Id: <8CADD220EA5D187-13A8-3148@webmail-me17.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 05:53:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0ad3c62402336821329 Sorry to hear about the job situation---that just stinks. I trust I will be forgiven my little zoto rant---looks foolish now. Thanks for posting your Photowalk shots from Louisville.? I will be more properly able to assess them this weekend when I get a few moments, but I can see that it will enjoyable. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 07:32:21 2008 Received: (qmail 4417 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 05:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 05:32:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D77C3A54; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:32:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:32:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CF7C2F13 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:32:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 4.red-83-45-237.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.45.237.4]:52602 helo=[192.168.2.104]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KbTvT-0002bm-02 (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:32:07 +0000 Message-Id: <732542EF-6FA3-4113-853E-8B7F10B303C0@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48BFAE7D.6060903@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:32:05 +0200 References: <731360.4502.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48BFAE7D.6060903@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 07:32:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0c465319391869477228 This is how I feel about most of the HDR images I see. Very few people are able to just use the effect to subtly widen the dynamic range. Most go way overboard, and the images scream: look, I am good at Photoshop! Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Sep 4, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Moose wrote: > > It seems some folks think HDR is a synonym for hopping it up until it > hurts ones eyeballs. ;-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 07:49:36 2008 Received: (qmail 19125 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 05:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 05:49:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EA7C2C35; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:49:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:49:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A962C2B8B for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:49:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27AF5FE7403 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:49:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jY4frnV8BNBo for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B24FE73F4 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <7B130D28-472F-4FC7-94F2-F5361C2A9E89@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080905014036.0113CC3674@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:49:14 -0700 References: <20080905014036.0113CC3674@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 07:49:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0c870131465368819438 > From: Moose > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> ... it is for >> my girlfriend who really wants the champaigne color. > Two things to remember. > > - The Champagne OM4-T(i)s are also the oldest ones. Of the four I have, the Champagne has the highest serial number. I realize that might not mean anything, but it is a data point to the contrary. > - The color is a paint that doesn't adhere to the titanium as well as > the black paint on an OM-4. The black on OM-4Ti also isn't as robust > as > the old paint on brass, but better than the champagne, which chips and > flakes too easily. My champagne has had the most use and looks the best of the four I have. In my opinion, the champagne finish holds up better than the black. :::: I dread success. To have succeeded is to have finished one's business on earth, like the male spider, who is killed by the female the moment he has succeeded in his courtship. I like a state of continual becoming, with a goal in front and not behind. -- George Bernard Shaw :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 08:00:23 2008 Received: (qmail 8589 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 06:00:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 06:00:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CDCC2E3E; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:00:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:00:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E74C2C08 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:00:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so122469eyd.5 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:00:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=D2JcnzKOKRWbAPlUjb0hIWQtK5AOeo3kDUbvR0mf8JQ=; b=OXsi46Xv8wZR2Dz+o4uHOvA2x/S1nMlfmdJciwl+qqvaKNxVydgYNhuKa1VcGd0gaQ D1/P+Rp/CCmVt49u7BXACKsmwpYxUIGCZHDlgsHBHWAzAVHUSgu1vKRk28DOxJwW8dmQ 6W+X3r5A/C9caKG/+sg6P0v8DQqmdw7H+DRuo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=UygYFctpSzR4Ee8tOwi3rc8LqJSU6UgbG/+ILuwQ8waG7yAdKQRAqTsCPlUHD19vQA G0BPYaDIt519uI8hZj6fKO3x3GhCoIsVBygtOkMGVoLeZvHcRuWGCsaoTbZCcufk1M8O 2SULtaM3Jhr3yW1/t+ALAcDJNOWb+BxqpAjis= Received: by 10.210.72.14 with SMTP id u14mr5186731eba.161.1220594410960; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.102.1 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:00:10 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yorkshire Sculpture Park In-Reply-To: <48C096DE.4060507@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48C096DE.4060507@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 08:00:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0caf7263591946193717 Thanks Moose (and others). I was secretly hoping you'd do a de-barrelled version of 11 - I see it and it bugs me, but I didn't quite get that far :-) Tom 2008/9/5 Moose > Tom Fenwick wrote: > > Another visit to the Yorkshire Sculpture Park on Sunday. Some of the > photos even include the sculpture! > > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/sculpture_park > > > I like pretty much all of these. > > #1 has to be the winner for me, with the juxtaposition of those massive, > sterile geometric shapes on flat sterile ground with the little legs and > boots. it makes me smile, and that can't be bad. > > My other favorites are 5, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 11. I'd be tempted to cut the > grass off of #10, to see it as pure abstraction. #5 would also tempt me > to try it with the right 40% or so cropped off to make a more focused, > vertical composition. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 10:02:00 2008 Received: (qmail 5704 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 08:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 08:01:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776AFC36A1; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:01:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:01:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C0EC345D for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:01:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so300437fka.1 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:01:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=z5iCBSzrI5NjiC3RJ65j9ChMuB3wDHy3S41mPGNyMzo=; b=rSecBdwyzAy5qb0ontegtbW5NsTH1ds4i7+Lt7IIUcAfPB3DYrnH5SWbJYFr6GQXuT RVCubG5sfGpQYuxh3ZR4EJI5XT9CahDalgHjLdqKwcIVASKEzbuYn1fH/FDejZXSA8Ca OmjkJ40m6/WBGznnskdjLCZeakurAfaGKfIhY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Wr7BZe4Xw164l/SUaVJQOV/XjGPUjaZBRrnjsmVwPKTZFoGXAHYk2YhPBeMZnVqE+X oBmrAkhb5229lqR8qL4FACrGNI9vvcTfRWSeLEq96YDv9o2H/BI3Y2ljjbCkDldcieq6 B4IbZ8+xkRfyAUcsMyWbIpOKFBjvME+vD6QUw= Received: by 10.180.249.4 with SMTP id w4mr8839006bkh.79.1220601707300; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.30.17 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8e0ac9a30809050101j3ca226eg796e5c3842aba75d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:01:47 +0200 From: "Fabio Fiorellato" To: "Olympus Mailing List" Subject: [OM] Another unknown Zuiko-OM lens? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: flowerside@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 10:02:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0e77863081591313764 Hi list, I was just browsing the wonderful Olympus wallpapers set available on the olympus.co.jp site, when something strange caught my attention in this pic: [ http://www.olympus.co.jp/jp/fun/wallpaper/camera/dl.cfm?id=117&type_id=4&la=en] It shows the wideangle lenses that were available for our beloved OMs back in the good ol' days, all of them well known BUT ONE. Take a look at the lens in the middle of the bottom row: it is supposed to be a 35mm f/2 as you can read on its front ring, but indeed it has not the shape and size we are used to, as the front barrel is smaller and differently shaped from the common one, and it seems to have a 49mm filter size, too. Its serial number reads (if my eyes can judge correctly) 10000x (maybe x=5?) although it's not a silver nosed, so it seems to be one of the very first coming out of its respective production run. At first I thought it was a photoshopped image based on the 35mm f/2.8 shown elsewhere, although I can't imagine that the guys at Olympus didn't have a 35mm f/2 in hand when shooting the pic, but a closer inspection at what can be seen inside the lens shows it to be different from its f/2.8 counterpart and indeed reminding of the *real* 35mm f/2. Maybe another forgotten lens prototype in the same line as the 24-40mm f/4 that surfaced months ago. Surely someone will soon put one of them for sale on evilbay... :) Thought this should sound interesting for some of you folks in here! Ciao, Fabio -- The definitive answer to the meaning of life, universe and everything else is: 42. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 10:37:15 2008 Received: (qmail 20606 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 08:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 08:37:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91055C3A95; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:37:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:37:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.234]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D690C303C for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:37:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so314205rvb.29 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:37:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=a6rwcC3nd63yJa4eFb8ylACJqWQfUKZuH7rhiF5gKKs=; b=pBCGwMbdmP9j0yBN5lu35ZOnfDOL8JvnOvADNR0NrT8M7dNoj5T0U7XXs3fnBji/io miZ8lWJ9+E+IgZikZ/UvJAF4ZPV8kG2W/eK2fo4FENomJ5PfN8HOH11vySlAh2ZLEika xuOnSRVuR9FBpW3L3WIfteqpfz6+18RRL+vCo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=jU1Ea4dt1EfJ6bL1moBFmxFvHXS53RswtzqiYqPYdWx1xZEsf34jWopszZWvREMLEC bkkz/Mr+nVCUfJDiZYmne1MlMN9BSOYRdNYxz5Wra3AXbAxdt5t9J+0Lmu0JHobo0Xng 9l7Wq0UwIEzsh5Cv3QCgzsp6d3xj1788ulzLc= Received: by 10.114.126.1 with SMTP id y1mr9828953wac.52.1220603821729; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.107.3 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840809050137s643b90a8ieda9abbeaece9f20@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:37:01 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus Subject: [OM] Amazing images from the Olympics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Google-Sender-Auth: cb5929a69e918692 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 10:37:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0efbb65171023412894 If you didn't get enough of the Olympics at the time here is a most amazing gallery. Can take a while for the page to load - and be sure to see all 3 pages. http://www.vkmag.com/galleries/gallery_olympische_spelen_2008_in_fotos_part_1/ ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 10:37:27 2008 Received: (qmail 29309 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 08:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 08:37:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F7AC3BED; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:37:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:37:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-4.orange.nl (smtp-4.orange.nl [193.252.22.249]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5E5C2F25 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:37:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6303.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3EDA97000084 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:37:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6303.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E9D6D7000081 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:37:07 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080905083707957.E9D6D7000081@mwinf6303.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Opinion and shameless plug Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:37:07 +0200 Message-ID: <6F466C8657AF46BFB6E368001BEF2AD8@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 10:37:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0efc733982070262475 Hi Ken, I have had the same experience with the crooked horizons before I bought the FS-2 screen. It mysteriously solved tyhat problem. Never removed it again and probably never will. I bought mine advertised as 2nd hand, complete with flash bacle and IR remote for the E-1 for 40,-. Also a good deal in my eyes. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: image66@gmail.com [mailto:image66@gmail.com] Namens Ken Norton > Verzonden: donderdag 4 september 2008 21:22 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Opinion and shameless plug > > > > Having a little change jangling in my pocket and being in > Chicago, I made it to Calumet Photo. There, I managed to > score an FS2 Grid Screen and a replacement eyecup for my E-1. > The eyecup is somewhat an improvement over the stock one, > but the grid screen was the big deal for me. > > Now, please understand that I'm one to like my finder screens > to be totally blank with nothing on them--no lines, > focus-aids, etc. So why did I buy the grid screen? > > Crooked horizons. > > This has been my reoccuring curse with the 4/3 format. > Without the longer image base, I find it harder to keep my > horizons level. Much harder. Too the point where I've > almost chucked my camera over a bridge more than once. Well, > maybe the grid will help, eh? > > I'm quite pleased with the grid screen. The lines are finely > etched and honestly are not nearly as interruptive as I > thought they would be. Quite bearable, really. > > Anyway, to the shameless plug: They still have a few more in > stock and the price was something like $27. If you could, > please visit www.zone-10.comand click on the advertisement > for Calumet. The commission ain't much, but every dime is > helpful. Thank you. > > AG > > -- > Ken Norton > http://www.zone-10.com > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 10:41:14 2008 Received: (qmail 3616 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 08:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 08:41:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F82DC3E25; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:41:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:41:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA462C372E for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:41:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 29497 invoked by uid 502); 5 Sep 2008 08:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.165.105) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 Sep 2008 08:35:37 -0000 Message-ID: <48C0EF30.9020109@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:34:56 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yorkshire Sculpture Park References: <48C096DE.4060507@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 10:41:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0f0aa197511993019900 Tom Fenwick wrote: > Thanks Moose (and others). I was secretly hoping you'd do a de-barrelled > version of 11 - I see it and it bugs me, but I didn't quite get that far :-) > Your wish is my command. Here I thought I was being a good guy by keeping my PS fingers out. :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 10:49:18 2008 Received: (qmail 11450 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 08:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 08:49:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F49C27D6; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:49:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:49:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0305DC452F for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:47:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so317348rvb.29 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:47:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=uLOP6Z6JUNm3mIBWlkeq/0ibTnYCmekHQk1P5pTlOaM=; b=mtf0seH0kWwT3uVjL9Y6PLOqXrNCdfbtBPr520zl6MW8edR6c+e8tbtX0gI/sFHxeC ls/LOQ0KCEwoiF3UX/2Pk8KillGPrs67zLMTfWB40AVbaN7pojP29+3BGv/tRZxfsIJE 1qQMHrzaahFI7xLdJjEYpXNpv8ASPSXx+04HQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=vvEp+k4BPoTwxUNsKbM9VS/L6tb0EaQ5vK8Rvh9c6Gv6/rJk5xkYZE+QED3NrR49Mc ubB1Lb5vX+rPGsmwEcy1YXryFFpcAFrS7FUYqkEYf/b8zKVKBiIZ8CJ2y31CBVmHvLyi WmrlJpIVGuzFsHglRbJok9n6oGr6IW4yqMDT4= Received: by 10.141.79.12 with SMTP id g12mr6429462rvl.126.1220604455105; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.178.20 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:47:35 +0200 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Another unknown Zuiko-OM lens? In-Reply-To: <8e0ac9a30809050101j3ca226eg796e5c3842aba75d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8e0ac9a30809050101j3ca226eg796e5c3842aba75d@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikooh@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 10:49:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0f28e241797927319144 well I have to admit you have a very good eye!indeed it is not like the known 35mm f2. I'ld really like to look around in the Olympus archives and warehouses :). iwert ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 10:53:18 2008 Received: (qmail 17427 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 08:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 08:53:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007E7C2CBD; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:53:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:53:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A914C288D for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:53:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so313983fka.1 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:53:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=BuXuKBM0BRy2lhva2J5sPzC6zb1MQVw0AsTyH8fXf94=; b=J5EquI3AMhKM5fC3US9ltoobMUabrxlXaHJDb2b4MLO8Hu5MP2PCpfxdlwgJ9WC6u8 CId9rUlL9bq1E4QHzW28rx1cGdbJFUdzypAq37F2ejpimKBqqplhjxX6NEDDoRldFJLs YliP84/MAfgIFSnAzRXW8J0KLThfuuT1d+g6E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=pO8hl1K/AtGSjR7qKFP4u7FwMaYE+Vykea9xfjJXM5sroqn/lR424H7ZzYfag1u5PB oA1mMeC5JnEYocajmJU37rLQPrBXOijw4L8SDHBgHV/pPPL8wHYPKIwK7yn9K9JEKw70 s8ZDhNDPlEDDEv8gDqrSifGg5cE6pzgvwPZyM= Received: by 10.180.232.9 with SMTP id e9mr5117070bkh.63.1220604784804; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.30.17 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8e0ac9a30809050153h2f102204u77ff501411d1e748@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:53:04 +0200 From: "Fabio Fiorellato" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Another unknown Zuiko-OM lens? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8e0ac9a30809050101j3ca226eg796e5c3842aba75d@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: flowerside@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 10:53:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0f37e292003675314703 Iwert, let me know if you'll ever find some of them for sale at a decent price ;) Ciao! Fabio On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:47 AM, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > > well I have to admit you have a very good eye!indeed it is not like the > known 35mm f2. I'ld really like to look around in the Olympus archives and > warehouses :). > > iwert > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > -- The definitive answer to the meaning of life, universe and everything else is: 42. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 11:01:21 2008 Received: (qmail 24558 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 09:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 09:01:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630C0C3C10; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:01:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:01:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C3FC2D3D for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9915 invoked by uid 502); 5 Sep 2008 08:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.165.105) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 Sep 2008 08:59:10 -0000 Message-ID: <48C0F4D8.7070800@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:59:04 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body References: <20080905014036.0113CC3674@ml.free.fr> <7B130D28-472F-4FC7-94F2-F5361C2A9E89@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <7B130D28-472F-4FC7-94F2-F5361C2A9E89@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 11:01:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0f56125401499373980 Jan Steinman wrote: > > Of the four I have, the Champagne has the highest serial number. I realize that might not mean anything, but it is a data point to the contrary. > Sorry if I am wrong. I was under the impression that the champagne bodies were the earliest. Also, the eSIF says "Currently the OM-4Ti is only available in black. Originally it was made in 'champagne' (which was not a chrome finish or bare titanium, but painted titanium)." > >> - The color is a paint that doesn't adhere to the titanium as well as the black paint on an OM-4. The black on OM-4Ti also isn't as robust as the old paint on brass, but better than the champagne, which chips and flakes too easily. >> > > My champagne has had the most use and looks the best of the four I have. In my opinion, the champagne finish holds up better than the black. > Again, based on what I've heard and seen. When I was looking for a 4T(i), it seemed all the champagne bodies on the 'Bay had serious paint issues. As I recall, I picked up the same idea from posts here back then. The only one I have is black, and the paint doesn't seem to be as tough as the black on brass of the OM-4. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 11:05:26 2008 Received: (qmail 12978 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 09:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 09:05:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AA3C408E; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:05:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:05:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8AEC3F67 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:04:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so240758ika.1 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:04:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Xey6YPqwJ5PTzDvj9jcoOqPL2WbtOqfI1bok2a55Lck=; b=NJEoUnSuubJD14BP5bjDnVpfyhUskrTMpQfTwXxTXqR+/DDZ1idv+0ScWpEPHBcDm+ 8AMOrd0N/c8iRm4Fc7WLnbc34SinDle2KXBXjvgWi77b0JNi+ine8We9lbPfoqiT7/La mApBtur/XGQXlq58EFANx5xXNtvp0vIa5Sawk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=H3/8XUuTtIg/CH6a4osbmfWotB9ijohXScqkdf8Zb5t7/m4h1S3CvkNvYlMTZ4hpn0 jjOBDCDds/d48Kz9ctJX1lpnpFVXiJSTVDMPOehAJKrf3oky3YN5xD6Sc9bHJAzKcs9Z gm2wpAF0rKu2moFaWUDtaL4iLD0fmP96EQ/pk= Received: by 10.210.56.7 with SMTP id e7mr13428201eba.5.1220605469534; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:04:29 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yorkshire Sculpture Park In-Reply-To: <48C0EF30.9020109@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48C096DE.4060507@gmail.com> <48C0EF30.9020109@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 11:05:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0f6561361838542571 Sweet! Definitely worth it. The other slight change is alright too here - it was all that green-ness that drew me in in the first place. Thanks, Tom 2008/9/5 Moose > Tom Fenwick wrote: > > Thanks Moose (and others). I was secretly hoping you'd do a de-barrelled > > version of 11 - I see it and it bugs me, but I didn't quite get that far > :-) > > > Your wish is my command. > > > Here I thought I was being a good guy by keeping my PS fingers out. :-) > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 11:08:23 2008 Received: (qmail 21270 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 09:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 09:08:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04119C3BE2; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:08:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:08:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DA6C3E2C for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:07:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 11063 invoked by uid 502); 5 Sep 2008 09:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.165.105) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 Sep 2008 09:00:19 -0000 Message-ID: <48C0F51E.9010200@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:00:14 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? References: <731360.4502.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48BFAE7D.6060903@gmail.com> <732542EF-6FA3-4113-853E-8B7F10B303C0@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <732542EF-6FA3-4113-853E-8B7F10B303C0@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 11:08:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0f707244862070262475 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > This is how I feel about most of the HDR images I see. Very few people are able to just use the effect to subtly widen the dynamic range. Most go way overboard, and the images scream: look, I am good at Photoshop! > That's now what I hear them screaming when I see them. :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 11:11:24 2008 Received: (qmail 17093 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 09:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 09:11:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2882DC389E; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:11:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:11:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AF2C3B24 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:11:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17673 invoked by uid 502); 5 Sep 2008 09:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.163.40) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 Sep 2008 09:11:06 -0000 Message-ID: <48C0F7A5.8000808@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:11:01 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Another unknown Zuiko-OM lens? References: <8e0ac9a30809050101j3ca226eg796e5c3842aba75d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8e0ac9a30809050101j3ca226eg796e5c3842aba75d@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 11:11:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0f7bc77297350615338 The difference from prototype to production design may be nothing more than a decision to standardize the filter thread on all the new f2 lenses at 55mm. A good decision, too, if the past expressed opinions of those on this list are any indication. Fabio Fiorellato wrote: > Hi list, > > I was just browsing the wonderful Olympus wallpapers set available on the > olympus.co.jp site, when something strange caught my attention in this pic: > > http://www.olympus.co.jp/jp/fun/wallpaper/camera/dl.cfm?id=117&type_id=4&la=en > Nice catch! > It shows the wideangle lenses that were available for our beloved OMs back in the good ol' days, That depends on when the good old days were. The F2 wide angles, 50/2 and 90/2 macros and 100/2 are all relatively late lenses, from the perspective of one who started with an OM-1 in about 1974. They all have 55mm filter threads. All the original lenses except the 50/1.4 were slower, smaller, lighter and almost all with 49mm threads. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 11:36:04 2008 Received: (qmail 8429 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 09:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 09:36:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77517C385F; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:35:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:35:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC00C37E1 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:35:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so325441fka.1 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:35:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=FwUD+VkXfxItNMKbFbqiUFSZcX4DqzO7A29X5L3c8iQ=; b=CBiR/Z2oWc2VlTzWsSVlxTnbt2XiFiOfO0Zqo3P9DgYa5SDXanG3Pz+R9CuAQhht+p 9+VCjCxIFmlYIExLo6GEWYDX6VgAEcNm5tpQaXaY+9myLJCdBPjjjG+ZfmaTHzsc4N1C vwl6hijaV388S3MjRjVMefPj/klsQMiDM86tA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=MDeTyx0YFs717X+cOEsRm6fTwqYWdaM9C69Xw4FtYHCzDQUgyb4zYbhpe1RoqyDCiI RSIEEbHyZZcBsaVnj4EX1bxJKFrs8F2om0M5HzEF4MoW0DE7J/fS6UVHPUKrElFyGj88 G7DscwU5k4uwapTM8fFAcjdxHD8hKmGdrG4KU= Received: by 10.181.23.2 with SMTP id a2mr8936613bkj.24.1220607352344; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.30.17 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8e0ac9a30809050235l2d1a08dbmbec6761343559696@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:35:52 +0200 From: "Fabio Fiorellato" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Another unknown Zuiko-OM lens? In-Reply-To: <48C0F7A5.8000808@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8e0ac9a30809050101j3ca226eg796e5c3842aba75d@mail.gmail.com> <48C0F7A5.8000808@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: flowerside@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 11:36:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0fd84307697350615338 Moose, maybe rather than standardization issues (the 28mm f2 after all has a 49mm filter thread), the switch in the 35mm f/2 filter thread from 49mm to 55mm was due to other issues such as vignetting, or something else I'm not able to discern. Besides that, given my - relatively - new experience with Olympus OM, in no way comparable to yours or those from other venerable list members, I seem to recall that the 35 f/2 dates back to 1973, just like other f/2 wides (the 24mm for instance), as indirectly stated on one of the e-Sif pages [ http://olympus.dementia.org/eSIF/om-sif/lensgroup/zuiko_prototypes.htm ], so it probably is not only an "early lens - small filter thread" matter. Thanks for your opinions, tough! Ciao Fabio On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Moose wrote: > The difference from prototype to production design may be nothing more > than a decision to standardize the filter thread on all the new f2 > lenses at 55mm. > > A good decision, too, if the past expressed opinions of those on this > list are any indication. > > Fabio Fiorellato wrote: > > Hi list, > > > > I was just browsing the wonderful Olympus wallpapers set available on the > > olympus.co.jp site, when something strange caught my attention in this > pic: > > > > > http://www.olympus.co.jp/jp/fun/wallpaper/camera/dl.cfm?id=117&type_id=4&la=en< > http://www.olympus.co.jp/jp/fun/wallpaper/camera/dl.cfm?id=117&type_id=4&la=en > > > > > Nice catch! > > It shows the wideangle lenses that were available for our beloved OMs > back in the good ol' days, > That depends on when the good old days were. The F2 wide angles, 50/2 > and 90/2 macros and 100/2 are all relatively late lenses, from the > perspective of one who started with an OM-1 in about 1974. They all have > 55mm filter threads. > > All the original lenses except the 50/1.4 were slower, smaller, lighter > and almost all with 49mm threads. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > -- The definitive answer to the meaning of life, universe and everything else is: 42. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 11:44:50 2008 Received: (qmail 13701 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 09:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 09:44:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CD9C414C; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97764C442E for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:41:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KbXp5-0000Sr-7y for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:41:47 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <20080905014036.0113CC3674@ml.free.fr> <7B130D28-472F-4FC7-94F2-F5361C2A9E89@Bytesmiths.com> <48C0F4D8.7070800@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:41:40 +0100 Message-ID: <00a301c90f3b$99579230$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AckPNfXm24q2BxcLT+W32c1WSCiMwQAAjvlg In-Reply-To: <48C0F4D8.7070800@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080904-1, 04/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8163/Thu Sep 4 20:11:48 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 11:44:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0ff92183001234514069 I agree with Moose that the earliest 4T bodies were champagne, they were intended for the US market. Champagne bodies marked 4Ti might be early non-US market models, or might be later models from any market. I can't comment on the relative wear characteristics of champagne and black versions, but I can say from experience that it's mighty hard to get paint to adhere to titanium. I suspect that the 3Ti (I have never seen a bad-looking 3Ti) did not use paint, but powder coating. As to serial numbers, you have to take care, as the base plates are so easily switched between bodies, so the base plate from a late model champagne 4Ti could find its way onto an early 4T body. Equally, the body outer panels were available as parts, so a 4T(i) of any vintage could find itself with a new identity. If the serial number begins with a "2", I would suspect the base plate is such a replacement part. The restorative effect of a re-body can be impressive. For example, compare with A better indicator of the age of a 4T body is the small painted code inside the cassette chamber, which indicates the assembly plant and month (if memory serves). Now, where did I put the decoding table.... Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Moose Sent: 05 September 2008 09:59 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Jan Steinman wrote: > > Of the four I have, the Champagne has the highest serial number. I realize that might not mean anything, but it is a data point to the contrary. > Sorry if I am wrong. I was under the impression that the champagne bodies were the earliest. Also, the eSIF says "Currently the OM-4Ti is only available in black. Originally it was made in 'champagne' (which was not a chrome finish or bare titanium, but painted titanium)." > >> - The color is a paint that doesn't adhere to the titanium as well as the black paint on an OM-4. The black on OM-4Ti also isn't as robust as the old paint on brass, but better than the champagne, which chips and flakes too easily. >> > > My champagne has had the most use and looks the best of the four I have. In my opinion, the champagne finish holds up better than the black. > Again, based on what I've heard and seen. When I was looking for a 4T(i), it seemed all the champagne bodies on the 'Bay had serious paint issues. As I recall, I picked up the same idea from posts here back then. The only one I have is black, and the paint doesn't seem to be as tough as the black on brass of the OM-4. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 11:46:11 2008 Received: (qmail 29238 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 09:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 09:46:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E09EC470E; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:45:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:45:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91EDAC47C6 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:42:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m85Aj32D014101; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 03:45:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200809051045.m85Aj32D014101@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:41:37 -0700 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, olympus@ml.free.fr From: Richard Man Subject: [OM] Re: Another unknown Zuiko-OM lens? In-Reply-To: <48C0F7A5.8000808@gmail.com> References: <8e0ac9a30809050101j3ca226eg796e5c3842aba75d@mail.gmail.com> <48C0F7A5.8000808@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: richard-lists@imagecraft.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 11:46:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c0ffe38211023412894 Nah, I agree with Fabio, the 35/2 shown cannot be the same as the production ones, as the front element of the shipping one bulges out. Very distinctive profile. At 02:11 AM 9/5/2008, Moose wrote: >The difference from prototype to production design may be nothing more >than a decision to standardize the filter thread on all the new f2 >lenses at 55mm. > >A good decision, too, if the past expressed opinions of those on this >list are any indication. > >Fabio Fiorellato wrote: > > Hi list, > > > > I was just browsing the wonderful Olympus wallpapers set available on the > > olympus.co.jp site, when something strange caught my attention in this pic: > > > > > http://www.olympus.co.jp/jp/fun/wallpaper/camera/dl.cfm?id=117&type_id=4&la=en > > > >Nice catch! > > It shows the wideangle lenses that were available for our beloved > OMs back in the good ol' days, >That depends on when the good old days were. The F2 wide angles, 50/2 >and 90/2 macros and 100/2 are all relatively late lenses, from the >perspective of one who started with an OM-1 in about 1974. They all have >55mm filter threads. // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 12:09:47 2008 Received: (qmail 23420 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 10:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 10:09:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925AFC3BF1; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:09:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:09:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA427C398C for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:09:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31616 invoked by uid 504); 5 Sep 2008 10:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Sep 2008 10:09:33 -0000 Message-ID: <48C1055D.4030103@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:09:33 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Trip to Valle de Bravo- winter home of the Monarch References: <8CADCBC5673A4E3-17E4-18B@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> <8CADCCD56F1F4AD-1E98-54D@FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com> <48C077FD.8040505@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48C077FD.8040505@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 12:09:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1056b8441499373980 Tone down or clone out the very bright red in front of her eyes. It's a very strong distracter from the eyes which should be the visual center point in a portrait. Replacing the bright red with the much darker version above would probably work OK. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > I'm sure I prefer the blurred background of my version, the increased > highlight detail and greater detail in hair, shawl, etc. I'm not sure > I've got the face to my satisfaction yet. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 12:17:01 2008 Received: (qmail 5273 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 10:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 10:17:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11EDC41BC; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:16:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:16:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118F7C3DFC for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:16:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3207 invoked by uid 504); 5 Sep 2008 10:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Sep 2008 10:16:20 -0000 Message-ID: <48C106F4.5060804@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:16:20 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Not a single comment? References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B34922.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> <00c301c90ef4$73ab3920$6601a8c0@hpd220> In-Reply-To: <00c301c90ef4$73ab3920$6601a8c0@hpd220> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 12:17:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1071d55401591313764 Thanks for the comments. I think my B&W interest was reawakened a bit by a recent family portrait shoot where the mom made it clear she was only interested in B&W. Unusual. Chuck Norcutt Bob Docherty wrote: > Chuck, > I like the Church Steeple 6931 with the B&W treatment the best. 6910 appeals > to me also, along with 6915. 6965 looks like it could be interesting too if > I could see a larger image.6950 is also nice. I guess I'm seeing a pattern > in my choices, I need to go out and shoot more black and white :) > Minimilism I guess.. the taxi drivers feet was a fun shot.. > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:06 PM > Subject: [OM] Not a single comment? > > >> Maybe this shouldn't have been posted under "Scott Kelby Photowalks". >> In any case I haven't received a single comment good or bad about the >> photo link I posted. I know I'm a bit out of my element trying to take >> photos more akin to Nathan but... are they that bad? Yeah, I know, no >> beach, no beach babes and no cute waitresses. Actually, even very few >> people. Characteristic of the decline of upstate New York, I guess. >> Much of the city is empty including the otherwise delightful river walk. >> >> >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1652 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 6:54 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 12:24:46 2008 Received: (qmail 23231 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 10:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 10:24:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A510C377A; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:24:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:24:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7872C36DC for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:24:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 6901 invoked by uid 504); 5 Sep 2008 10:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Sep 2008 10:24:33 -0000 Message-ID: <48C108E1.1080905@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:24:33 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yorkshire Sculpture Park References: <48C096DE.4060507@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48C096DE.4060507@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 12:24:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c108ee15861470116606 I like 'em all but 1, 9 and 10 are the winners in my book. If it were mine I'd remove 4 from the sculpture park category by cropping in 4:5 ratio and removing the lettered piece of fence at the right. That would make it a different photo where we'd just see the wonderful light. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Tom Fenwick wrote: >> Another visit to the Yorkshire Sculpture Park on Sunday. Some of the photos even include the sculpture! >> http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/sculpture_park >> > I like pretty much all of these. > > #1 has to be the winner for me, with the juxtaposition of those massive, > sterile geometric shapes on flat sterile ground with the little legs and > boots. it makes me smile, and that can't be bad. > > My other favorites are 5, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 11. I'd be tempted to cut the > grass off of #10, to see it as pure abstraction. #5 would also tempt me > to try it with the right 40% or so cropped off to make a more focused, > vertical composition. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1652 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 6:54 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 12:27:51 2008 Received: (qmail 29382 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 10:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 10:27:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD13C3C6C; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:27:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:27:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23324C3C28 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:27:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KbYXH-0007rf-GG for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:27:27 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.5]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1KbYXH-0007QY-3k for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:27:27 +0100 Message-ID: <48C109B2.4090707@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:28:02 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof References: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> In-Reply-To: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 12:27:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c109a731591946193717 Bob Docherty wrote: > I was called into the Personnel Directors' office today and told I was being let go after 21 years with my company. > > Bummer, Bob. A short hiatus, I trust. 52 is good. Ask how I know... ;-) D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 12:46:17 2008 Received: (qmail 17953 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 10:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 10:46:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5588FC4B4D; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:46:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:46:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8CAC44E9 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:39:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14713 invoked by uid 504); 5 Sep 2008 10:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@24.94.51.20) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Sep 2008 10:39:41 -0000 Message-ID: <48C10C6B.7030900@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:39:39 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? References: <731360.4502.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48BFAE7D.6060903@gmail.com> <732542EF-6FA3-4113-853E-8B7F10B303C0@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <732542EF-6FA3-4113-853E-8B7F10B303C0@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 12:46:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c10df9322462046811720 The first two images here are HDR images of "my type". They're built from about 8 exposures 1 stop apart. I think they're pretty close to what I could see with my eye but the camera couldn't. On exposures where the sky showed a modest amount of color the foreground was almost completely black. When the foreground had some detail the sky was completely blown. I like the way PhotoShop HDR works now that I understand it. The resultant 32 bit image has so much range that you can only view it in brightness "slices" since there's no way for the monitor to reproduce it let alone a print. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > This is how I feel about most of the HDR images I see. Very few people > are able to just use the effect to subtly widen the dynamic range. > Most go way overboard, and the images scream: look, I am good at > Photoshop! > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > On Sep 4, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Moose wrote: > >> It seems some folks think HDR is a synonym for hopping it up until it >> hurts ones eyeballs. ;-) > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1653 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 6:57 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 12:52:41 2008 Received: (qmail 31664 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 10:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 10:52:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D85C2B1B; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:52:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:52:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl39.gs02.gridserver.com (cl39.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A43C2B7D for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:52:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-120-179-138.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.120.179.138]:50120 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl39.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KbYvT-00042b-VP for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:52:28 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:52:24 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Thread-Index: AckPNfXm24q2BxcLT+W32c1WSCiMwQAAjvlgAANSMKA= In-Reply-To: <00a301c90f3b$99579230$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 12:52:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c10f79303321234514069 Thanks to everyone who wrote offering us an OM-4T. I bought one from a list member a couple days ago. Just waiting for the mailman to bring it :) -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 13:56:33 2008 Received: (qmail 27150 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 11:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 11:56:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08D4C2B91; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:56:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:56:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E9329C4005 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:56:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17668 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 11:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.133.73) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 11:56:12 -0000 In-Reply-To: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> References: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <628506B1-8762-43B6-B9BC-7405C55C1EC2@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:56:11 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 13:56:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c11e71187465368819438 Ah - at least it wasn't a 'Human Resources director' - those are much less sensitive! Amusing in a black way how those who demand loyalty, rarely display it. I think many members of this list have discovered a new direction in this situation. But the sense of betrayal and waste still hurts, does it not? Good luck - there's more rewarding things out there than working for an evil corporation. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/09/2008, at 9:02 AM, Bob Docherty wrote: > I was called into the Personnel Directors' office today and told I > was being let go after 21 years with my company. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 15:17:09 2008 Received: (qmail 9943 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 13:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 13:17:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3E4C28A7; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:16:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:16:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48947C2CB8 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:16:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.84]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01C.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m85DGtDE019393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:16:56 -0500 Received: from hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon03.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.37]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02A.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m85DGtaN013908 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:16:55 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:16:55 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:16:54 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] IMG: Cutoff Thread-Index: AckOsYYitGSuNOhySnqyyi1jlgChGQAp5cFQ References: From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2008 13:16:55.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB3C1FC0:01C90F59] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0809050050 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 15:17:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c13155262871257536491 Too bad Jim, looks like it was a nice tree. My Dad had the same problem with one of his trees a few years back. Removal was delayed a few hours after the workers discovered a *huge* honeybee hive in the hollow center. The comb was over six feet long! They called a local beekeeper who collected the hive and put it to work. Nice images. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:10 PM To: LUG@Leica-Users.org Cc: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] IMG: Cutoff I don't usually have captive subjects. Today, while watching a crew take down one of our backyard oaks that had deteriorated to the point that it was dangerous, I got a chance to get a few shots with people in them. While I observed and our resident female hummingbird fumed, the crew trimmed the oak and then dropped the trunk in managable sections. One section should provide some nice, long oak boards, because the contractor has his own sawmill. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cutoff.tif.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 15:47:46 2008 Received: (qmail 9526 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 13:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 13:47:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DBFC2ED8; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:47:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B7DC3960 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so294422wah.17 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:47:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=30JMcCbJqoN1EsvRhJSC9x+iHTHGsps8ubjw2yiEPZ4=; b=JvWbIt6tyzRTSoL7jwbtAotAcTrXIbKj5u4NZPtBGAnvuZK2affmdAupu0XxZi1NXV hq0RXL6R+07GzdEGE9P8oBLAHWIrLbUhLvbyHQOe6f3XxcFPDwJsBzOSaf7ScngyFbV1 czmCo7CuKcSikJRG8n07oa0JU7C7ycbFoyzTg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=W4nHfsfGdPZ3m45jM+hM3QypO5tqTWypkqzrW/7uX+orSR8/Ay2VZlTNmSJz/Zv2IF tfeZExI94qyUHd0Xunrg+PaL3fxKgxXB+oFL/0mqzTRP8lsHC7sSvAvpW9nbrq8+cjjN +q/5stNO1AO1KI5pyKYwgLlk/+8G0RtfXwccU= Received: by 10.114.198.1 with SMTP id v1mr10042167waf.64.1220622451552; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.33.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v9sm248797wah.41.2008.09.05.06.47.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C1386C.60200@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:47:24 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof References: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> <628506B1-8762-43B6-B9BC-7405C55C1EC2@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <628506B1-8762-43B6-B9BC-7405C55C1EC2@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 15:47:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c138823961499373980 Andrew Fildes wrote: > ... > But the sense of betrayal and waste still hurts, does it not? Yeah, that bit hurts like buggery (though I only had 12 years service with them, not like Bob's 21). > Good luck - there's more rewarding things out there than working for > an evil corporation. Yeah, 's true, and even though I haven't found them yet, I'm starting to enjoy looking. Bob, sorry to hear 'bout the "being let go". I hope it finds you walking into something much better. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 15:59:43 2008 Received: (qmail 32049 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 13:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 13:59:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A38C3F48; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:59:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:59:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A031C35F7 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:59:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KbbqT-0000dj-0j for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:59:29 -0700 Message-ID: <19331845.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:59:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Loudon To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Amazing images from the Olympics In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840809050137s643b90a8ieda9abbeaece9f20@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Nabble-From: listadr@gmail.com References: <9f07ac840809050137s643b90a8ieda9abbeaece9f20@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: listadr@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 15:59:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c13b4f157401234514069 I sorry to say those images were stolen from elsewhere -- and calling them stolen isn't too harsh a term given the extent to which the images were altered to include the logo of the person(s) responsible for the image theft. Original source: http://www.stern.de/olympia2008/fotostrecken/:Fotostrecke-Die-Bilder-Spiele/634192.html?cp=1 -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Amazing-images-from-the-Olympics-tp19327136p19331845.html Sent from the Olympus Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 18:02:41 2008 Received: (qmail 14524 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 16:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 16:02:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDBFC46C4; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:02:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:02:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (fed1rmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.241.43]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962A1C47DC for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:00:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080905160016.GHLK6482.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:00:16 -0400 Received: from microndesktop ([68.231.166.251]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id B40F1a00B5RmP9w0340FMJ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:00:15 -0400 Message-ID: <7D9FF1EBE9C04C69B921D1C984C1A1FA@microndesktop> From: "Johann Thorsson" To: References: <731360.4502.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48BFAE7D.6060903@gmail.com> <732542EF-6FA3-4113-853E-8B7F10B303C0@frozenlight.eu> Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:00:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: johann@tamu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 18:02:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c15821311641234514069 HDR images are tricky. I have tried Photomatix with mixed results. Some of them are on my website (http://www.thufa.net/pwgallery/index.php?/tags/73-other_hdr) but most of the others were total disasters. I still have no idea what settings to use, it's all just trial and error. The best HDRs are those that you can't tell are HDRs. J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:32 PM Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? > > This is how I feel about most of the HDR images I see. Very few people > are able to just use the effect to subtly widen the dynamic range. > Most go way overboard, and the images scream: look, I am good at > Photoshop! > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > On Sep 4, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Moose wrote: > >> >> It seems some folks think HDR is a synonym for hopping it up until it >> hurts ones eyeballs. ;-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 18:14:33 2008 Received: (qmail 3946 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 16:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 16:14:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC63C5101; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:14:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:14:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (fed1rmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.241.44]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B52C46E4 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:10:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080905161021.MFFH6684.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:10:21 -0400 Received: from microndesktop ([68.231.166.251]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id B4AM1a0065RmP9w034AMXJ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:10:21 -0400 Message-ID: <57266394D7BB4A8BA5395EB355C1F5A7@microndesktop> From: "Johann Thorsson" To: References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B34922.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> <00c301c90ef4$73ab3920$6601a8c0@hpd220> <48C106F4.5060804@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Not a single comment? Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:05:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: johann@tamu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 18:14:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c15ae9176062070262475 I missed your original post but am surprised you did not get any comments. There are many very nice pictures there, I do especially like how you use vivid colors in your compositions. Some of those images remind me of downtown Bisbee, AZ J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 3:16 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Not a single comment? > Thanks for the comments. I think my B&W interest was reawakened a bit > by a recent family portrait shoot where the mom made it clear she was > only interested in B&W. Unusual. > > Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 18:51:08 2008 Received: (qmail 3457 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 16:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 16:51:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BABC3401; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:50:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:50:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [207.115.11.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56AEC4B35 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:48:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20080905164846H020014enae>; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:48:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <470AC0F9EC2B4B69BDC664FC12994E0C@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:48:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 18:51:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1637c245621470116606 Charlie, Thanks for looking and for the kind words. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:16 AM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff > > Too bad Jim, looks like it was a nice tree. My Dad had the same > problem with one of his trees a few years back. Removal was delayed a > few hours after the workers discovered a *huge* honeybee hive in the > hollow center. The comb was over six feet long! They called a local > beekeeper who collected the hive and put it to work. Nice images. > > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of Jim Nichols > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:10 PM > To: LUG@Leica-Users.org > Cc: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] IMG: Cutoff > > > I don't usually have captive subjects. Today, while watching a crew > take down one of our backyard oaks that had deteriorated to the point > that it was dangerous, I got a chance to get a few shots with people in > them. While I observed and our resident female hummingbird fumed, the > crew trimmed the oak and then dropped the trunk in managable sections. > One section should provide some nice, long oak boards, because the > contractor has his own sawmill. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cutoff.tif.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 18:59:06 2008 Received: (qmail 24289 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 16:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 16:59:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9393C366B; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:58:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:58:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B31BC303E for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:58:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Kbedi-0007wo-De for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:58:30 -0700 Message-ID: <19335470.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:58:30 -0700 (PDT) From: rlovison To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Opinion and shameless plug In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Nabble-From: rlovison@gmail.com References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rlovison@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 18:59:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1655a228051023412894 Ken Norton wrote: > > > Anyway, to the shameless plug: They still have a few more in stock and > the > price was something like $27. If you could, please visit > www.zone-10.comand click on the advertisement for Calumet. The > commission ain't much, but > every dime is helpful. Thank you. > > Try $39 plus shipping. I couldn't locate the FS-2 screen on their website so I called the Chicago store directly. Maybe you got a one day special sale price. Richard www.richardlovison.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Opinion-and-shameless-plug-tp19318138p19335470.html Sent from the Olympus Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 19:16:54 2008 Received: (qmail 28553 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 17:16:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 17:16:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA92C3594; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:16:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:16:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F860C2C16 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:16:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E78314045 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D751231402A for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C1697E.4040702@interisland.net> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:16:46 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Trip to Valle de Bravo- winter home of the Monarch Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080905-0, 09/05/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 19:16:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c16986176051035110158 [rant mode] I'm unable to get to the photos on Zoto.com. I get a page saying I must allow cookies ... but I _do_ allow cookies ... for zoto.com. Obviously the cookie isn't in the exact form of zoto.com but what is it? I'm getting really annoyed at web sites that demand that you allow cookies but don't tell you what the @#$% cookies will look like. I'm not going to give a blanket OK to cookies in general because of the proliferation of tracking cookies and garbage so I block cookies in general and allow exceptions of my choosing. How can I allow a site to set cookies or unblock it if I don't know what to allow? [/rant mode] Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 19:30:53 2008 Received: (qmail 10270 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 17:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 17:30:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3D8C48FC; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:30:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:30:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FC1C3BC2 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:30:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3007.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2C94C1C00086 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:30:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from GeeBee (unknown [91.107.88.155]) by mwinf3007.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E4AE31C00084 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:30:29 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080905173029936.E4AE31C00084@mwinf3007.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <006301c90f7d$3bfb66b0$9b586b5b@GeeBee> From: "Gee Bee" To: "OM List" Subject: [OM] OT : camcorder software Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:30:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: graham@geebeephoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 19:30:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c16ccd94829117217770 I have recently acquired an Hitachi DZ-HS300E camcorder but there was no software disc in the box. If anyone can get me a copy of the disc or point me in the direction of where I might get the driver/s I would be very grateful. Without it I cannot communicate with my PC. Given that this is hideously off topic I imagine replies off list would be more appropriate. TIA --Graham ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 19:58:00 2008 Received: (qmail 20249 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 17:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 17:57:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A0DC3AB7; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:57:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:57:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD0EC2889 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:57:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A7631405F for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15644314047 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C17320.4050008@interisland.net> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:57:52 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080905-0, 09/05/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 19:58:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c17328205391073733319 Got rid of an old rotten center cedar near the house this summer. $400 and we cleaned up the mess. Nothing of value in the logs so I'll use it for firewood when we need a quick hot fire to take the chill off, like this morning. Working height of the bucket is only 65' so the top 20' came down in one piece. No picture as I was working the rope. The rest came down in short sections. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 20:03:19 2008 Received: (qmail 20646 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 18:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 18:03:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A93BC292B; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:03:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:03:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [207.115.11.55]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25DFC2F60 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:03:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080905180305H0500egolge>; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:03:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <39F0A49009A7490EB7801727DE8F8EB8@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <48C17320.4050008@interisland.net> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:03:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 20:03:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c17467283081585427447 Mike, I bet that cedar smells good when it burns. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: "1" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff > > Got rid of an old rotten center cedar near the house this summer. $400 > and we cleaned up the mess. Nothing of value in the logs so I'll use it > for firewood when we need a quick hot fire to take the chill off, like > this morning. > > Working height of the bucket is only 65' so the top 20' came down in one > piece. No picture as I was working the rope. The rest came down in short > sections. > > Mike > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 21:40:28 2008 Received: (qmail 24991 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 19:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 19:40:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA12DC3EEC; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:40:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:40:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A287C30B4 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:40:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14558 invoked by uid 502); 5 Sep 2008 19:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.195.52) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 Sep 2008 19:40:14 -0000 Message-ID: <48C18B18.7090300@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:40:08 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Trip to Valle de Bravo- winter home of the Monarch References: <8CADCBC5673A4E3-17E4-18B@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> <8CADCCD56F1F4AD-1E98-54D@FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com> <48C077FD.8040505@gmail.com> <48C1055D.4030103@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48C1055D.4030103@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 21:40:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c18b2c212802336821329 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Tone down or clone out the very bright red in front of her eyes. It's a very strong distracter from the eyes which should be the visual center point in a portrait. Replacing the bright red with the much darker > version above would probably work OK. > I hesitated to so completely remove the background, but I'm not sure why. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 5 22:47:45 2008 Received: (qmail 11545 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 20:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 20:47:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF58C38DF; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 22:47:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:47:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hvmail.co.uk (pop.hvmail.co.uk [87.240.129.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BCBC3F42 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 22:47:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from no3.hvmail.co.uk (unverified [87.240.131.46]) by hvmail.co.uk (SurgeMail 3.8k4) with ESMTP id 9748223-1833011 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:47:19 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:49:08 +0100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Brian Gray Subject: [OM] [OT] Tree felling debris Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <1220647639_874@hvmail.co.uk> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brian.gray@hvmail.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 22:47:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c19af1130491342116753 : "Timpe, Jim" wrote ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:36:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17909 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 21:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.133.73) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 21:36:34 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <1220647639_874@hvmail.co.uk> References: <1220647639_874@hvmail.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <6E4135DB-A462-4D07-9BFD-E4A83B71DC4D@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Tree felling debris Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 07:36:35 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 5 23:36:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1a678124551993019900 Here they are used extensively as a mulch for garden beds - quite cheap and popular. Excellent weed control at around 100mm/4" depth as it forms a 'wet pack' on the soil surface. Reduces the need for watering too. Most popular are strongly coloured types like large red gum chips which take a long time to rot. Softwoods are a little acidic except for paths. Rough eucalypt mulch works well but has to be replaced annually. It feed the soil but some nitrogen supplement is required to balance the decomposition. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/09/2008, at 6:49 AM, Brian Gray wrote: > Apparently the market for high quality sorted wood > chips is provided by a factory in Wales making chip-board while other > material is used for arenas at horse riding stables, horse gallops, > etc. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 00:40:22 2008 Received: (qmail 6127 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 22:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 22:40:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9935AC2E0A; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:40:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:40:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-4.orange.nl (smtp-4.orange.nl [193.252.22.249]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA86C2E0B for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:40:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6312.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 549B61C00084 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:40:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6312.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1D5E31C00082 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:40:10 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080905224010120.1D5E31C00082@mwinf6312.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:40:09 +0200 Message-ID: <3B0B8DF4DA1C4F5EB9F9523D6463139D@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 00:40:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1b556164997927319144 Ouch Bob, That must hurt. I feel for you and your family and hope you will be able to find another job soon! Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Bob Docherty > Verzonden: vrijdag 5 september 2008 1:03 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof > > > > I was called into the Personnel Directors' office today and > told I was being let go after 21 years with my company. Looks > like I'll be diving into my closets and drawers to unload a > bunch of OM gear. I don't think it will fetch very high > prices these days :) "Buy high sell low" seems to be my > motto :) I just love this "Global Economy" :) Chuck, sorry > not to have really perused your Photowalk pics to a degree to > comment on them. We had one here in Louisville also. I posted > mine to the Flickr site. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/22177136@N00/ > > Bob > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 01:26:33 2008 Received: (qmail 15040 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 23:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 23:26:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A785C33A7; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:26:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:26:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81D6C353F for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.d2c.38307e24 (37048) for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB036-90b848c1c01911c; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:26:17 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MC19 (webmail-mc19.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.96]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA016-5baf48c1c00f269; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:26:07 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Trip to Valle de Bravo- winter home of the Monarch Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:26:07 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-MC19.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.96) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:26:07 -0400 Message-Id: <8CADDC5E83F4934-10C-33A8@WEBMAIL-MC19.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 01:26:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1c02996989347015869 Sorry Mike. There is no one home at zoto at whom to rant. Best I can tell from checking one of the 5 owner's blogs at MN last night there may be one part time person just barely keeping the lights on. They would even pick up the phone if called in March---last time I even checked on the well being of zoto. Pbase and smugmug use cookies as well, but I bet they are better behaved. I'll try and move the gallery this weekend (if you are still interested at a look see by then), if I can muster up some time. Ironically the site looked fine at home last night, but it seems to depend on the ISP for reasons I don't understand. This images are from our biggest Zuiko trip for the year, and I have looked fwd to posting this for quite awhile. Mike [rant mode] I'm unable to get to the photos on Zoto.com. I get a page saying I must allow cookies ... but I _do_ allow cookies ... for zoto.com. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 01:37:53 2008 Received: (qmail 24961 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 23:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 23:37:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4466DC3564; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:37:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:37:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCFAC3465 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:37:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.d07.3cf622b3 (37571) for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB048-92c348c1c2be166; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:37:34 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MC19 (webmail-mc19.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.96]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA017-5bb048c1c2b093; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:37:20 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Trip to Valle de Bravo- winter home of the Monarch Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:37:20 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-MC19.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.96) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:37:20 -0400 Message-Id: <8CADDC77940537B-10C-3413@WEBMAIL-MC19.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 01:37:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1c2d1191831257536491 Thanks for the previous kind words, Moose and the masterful Moosterizations. I have been thinking about a "Moose" filter for awhile, though filters and horseback may not mix. It was also great to have an experienced event/portrait photog like Chuck take a look. (even though he cheats having Drs. Flash and Focus as in house consultants) The grey seems to remove almost all the distractions. Marnie gave it a thumbs up too. I wonder about the "cola" sign in the background. I'd love to have the full rez version, assuming you worked on that. A definite print. yeah Mike Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Tone down or clone out the very bright red in front of her eyes. It's a very > strong distracter from the eyes which should be the visual center point in a > portrait. Replacing the bright red with the much darker > version above would probably work OK. > I hesitated to so completely remove the background, but I'm not sure why. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 01:50:39 2008 Received: (qmail 22412 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2008 23:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 23:50:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5505C32CD; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:50:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:50:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3194DC2DE6 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:50:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080905235025H030024gtve>; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:50:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <13D2585F1E644AE8AA70750C7ED9FBBA@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Subject: [OM] IMG: Tree Details Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:50:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 01:50:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1c5cf73511946193717 Several viewers commented on the "nice" tree that I recently removed from my backyard. While I don't usually want to burden the lists with details, I don't want people to think I remove trees without good cause. The three images below show the problems that caught me by surprise, and led to the decision to remove the tree. The top of the tree, when viewed from ground level, did not appear to have problems. There were some dead lower branches that needed to be removed. When the experienced tree surgeon viewed the upper fork from the bucket, he found a serious weakness. >From the ground: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Damaged+Fork.tif.html After cutting the damaged branch: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Split+Branch.tif.html The upper portion of the trunk, as well as the base of the tree, were hollow: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Stump.tif.html Since it was close to the house, I feel safer now. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 02:04:17 2008 Received: (qmail 17909 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 00:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 00:04:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D99C3358; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:04:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:04:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [204.127.217.103]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C67C3B1D for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:04:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-5.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.5]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080906000403H03002bgm0e>; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:04:03 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.5] Message-ID: <01fb01c90fb4$0db0f2c0$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <004601c90ee2$53180290$6601a8c0@hpd220> <628506B1-8762-43B6-B9BC-7405C55C1EC2@people.net.au> Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:03:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 02:04:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1c90127658512572685 Andrew, I'm really not bitter. I wish I could have made it to 65 but my plant is losing 220 people within the next year. I pity the skeleton staff left that will have to deal with the "survivor guilt" and the overload of work prior to the inevitable final closing. I've developed a lot of close friendships and will miss the people I've grown older with. The "personnel director" has been a friend over the years also, he felt extremely bad about the situation. He will ,unfortunately, have the unpleasant task of informing many of our friends of their imminent departure. He is well aware when all the chopping is done it will be his turn at the guillotine. I walked into the place a laborer, worked as a temp accounting clerk and was hired as a construction accountant in Houston. They paid for my move to Houston and paid me a more than fair salary for 2 1/2 years. When me ex-wife threatened to divorce me if we didn't return to Kentucky, they found me a lower rated position and let me go back(my expense this time). I worked my way into an IT position 15 years ago and had a great time at it. My boss is a cheapskate that never approved any meaningful training. If I wanted to blame someone, he would be first in line, but it's my own fault for not doing it on my own. The last 6 years have been a downhill slide as all the IT functions were centralized then many ,gradually, outsourced to outside contractors and India. I don't feel as though I have wasted anything. I was able to raise three children with health insurance and a decent standard of living. I was given an opportunity to perform work that gave me a sense of accomplishment and let me interact with people thoughout the country. The economy in the U.S. is not doing particularly well, or for that matter anywhere in the world at this point. Manufacturing is too costly to be done here anymore as everyone is rushing to the developing world for cheap labor. You can't compete with anyone if you don't match their cost structure. My company is expanding in Turkey, Vietnam, China, and other parts east. Europe and North America are being left to die on the vine. If they had remained focussed on dying regions, my stock plan would be worthless and we would have gone under long ago. The entire company was recently sold, pending FTC approval and other hurdles, at a premium over the stock price. I'll be gone before the deal is finalized, but my 401K will be profitable when I can access it without giving most of it to the taxman. My severance package will be 2 weeks pay for every year of service. I still have a pension which I'll have to rollover to an IRA. I get to collect unemployment benefits. I don't feel too bad for a un-degreed laborer who fell into a good thing! Had I continued my non-union laboring ways I'd be out on the street with a broken body and no savings. I even have a bunch of OM gear to boot! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:56 AM Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof > > Ah - at least it wasn't a 'Human Resources director' - those are much > less sensitive! > Amusing in a black way how those who demand loyalty, rarely display it. > I think many members of this list have discovered a new direction in > this situation. > But the sense of betrayal and waste still hurts, does it not? > Good luck - there's more rewarding things out there than working for > an evil corporation. > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 05/09/2008, at 9:02 AM, Bob Docherty wrote: > >> I was called into the Personnel Directors' office today and told I >> was being let go after 21 years with my company. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 02:29:38 2008 Received: (qmail 3428 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 00:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 00:29:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76570C376A; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:29:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:29:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D0FC32C4 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:29:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21312 invoked by uid 502); 6 Sep 2008 00:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.203.189) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 Sep 2008 00:29:24 -0000 Message-ID: <48C1CEE1.8060200@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:29:21 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? References: <731360.4502.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48BFAE7D.6060903@gmail.com> <732542EF-6FA3-4113-853E-8B7F10B303C0@frozenlight.eu> <48C10C6B.7030900@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48C10C6B.7030900@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 02:29:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1cef2164621702588592 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The first two images here are HDR images of "my type". > > They're built from about 8 exposures 1 stop apart. I think they're pretty close to what I could see with my eye but the camera couldn't. I'm not entirely convinced - see below. > On exposures where the sky showed a modest amount of color the foreground was almost completely black. When the foreground had some detail the sky was completely blown. > That sounds right. > I like the way PhotoShop HDR works now that I understand it. The resultant 32 bit image has so much range that you can only view it in brightness "slices" since there's no way for the monitor to reproduce it let alone a print. > I believe that too. The theory all sounds fine, but the results don't convince me, so far. #1. On my monitor, there are areas of shadow where I can discern no detail. Pretty normal in a non HDR image, where bringing up shadow detail will often just bring up noise. Perfectly lovely image, but I'm not seeing much, if any, more DR than I imagine I would with a well exposed 5D RAW file. Also, brightness seems to me to be the Achilles heel of monitor calibration. Color balance is fairly absolute, but brightness is not, so a brighter monitor will result in a different looking image than a darker one. In this case, if I raise brightness, there's lots of nice detail in the shadows, and with no noise issues, so the HDR worked in that sense. But if I do, highlight details disappear. So it seems to me that further adjustment is needed to take advantage of the greater available DR in a limited display environment. I've done a couple of alternates where I spread shadows up a bit, highlights down a bit, add contrast to the center and use a mask to bring the tree trunks up a bit more. On my monitor, tree detail just almost completely disappears in the upper corners.There's more that could be revealed, but that doesn't seem natural looking to me. #2. This one bothers me more. Of course, it's possible that the air was really hazy, in which case, ignore my comments. It feels tonally ungrounded to me. The metaphor that pops to mind is a symphony where all the bass instruments are silent, with their parts played an octave higher by other instruments in the same family. There is also invisible, to me, sky detail, but it's the missing deep tones that bother me. I invited the tympani, string basses, bassoons and tubas back to try some alternative versions. #3. I know, it's not HDR. Still there it is to look at ... It seems to me to suffer to a lesser extent to the lack of grounding, gravitas, whatever I mean, as #2. Bring in the darker tones to balance the tonality and bring out the texture of the trunks, and it just sings for me. No HDRs Yet Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 02:31:50 2008 Received: (qmail 22497 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 00:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 00:31:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8C0C38BB; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:31:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:31:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F90C361B for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:31:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-42-246.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.42.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m860VVnU021275 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:31:32 -0300 Message-ID: <48C1CF6C.6080200@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:31:40 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body References: <20080905014036.0113CC3674@ml.free.fr> <7B130D28-472F-4FC7-94F2-F5361C2A9E89@Bytesmiths.com> <48C0F4D8.7070800@gmail.com> <00a301c90f3b$99579230$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <00a301c90f3b$99579230$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080905-0, 05/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 02:31:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1cf7651991257536491 LOL ! - Piers, my 4 is loaded with Provia right now. Perhaps you can remember where did you hide yourself such a thing before I finish the roll. We're having fairly good results with memantine otherwise ...... ;^) Fernando Piers Hemy wrote: > (if > memory serves). Now, where did I put the decoding table.... > > Piers > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 02:39:33 2008 Received: (qmail 18969 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 00:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 00:39:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF69C3210; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:39:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:39:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943C1C3236 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:39:21 +0200 (CEST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=UCJ2Wf+RzkXFZLRK6M7sT0BjqHQ+oGaZDkyK6bcmJjx4Wn/oVbtpOiRxZKdritcL; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.244.9.51] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kblpg-0007YN-EQ for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:39:20 -0400 Message-ID: <380-2200896603921572@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Cutoff now cedar burning Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:39:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da94036d4fb54ae3e99d13907fc0f84f6736e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.244.9.51 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jgettis81@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 02:39:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1d145169751257536491 Just as long as you don't burn too much at once. My grandparents cut a few cedar trees down when I was younger. I came home from school to a cold house and a heater that was out. So I threw a few cedar logs in the fire about 6 or so that where about 6 inches in diameter. Stuff started burning like it was drenched in gas. Soon the room was not cold in fact it was too hot and the back of the fireplace became too hot to touch. Thought I was going to burn the house down. It went out in a few hours and when my parents got home they remarked how comfortable the house was. That was the last time that I put in more than one in the fire. John > > > Mike, > > I bet that cedar smells good when it burns. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 02:43:30 2008 Received: (qmail 262 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 00:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 00:43:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128F1C360B; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:43:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:43:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.152]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 60A37C332A for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:43:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27163 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2008 00:43:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=H+iWAoadvZ0qaJIZYB6s4kE5nVZgn0mdvyaobcIGHxp1rnO6PYjve5XeS1KSfaym5zwI3W6PZ7U/AEOPn+8/vQ9TouyywlSC/U/Rony5M/tWXWg6QTIbYiOEFVfpDDj4x8f0eC9yiP0UDx4VayJ2bfoOZowCjV1Z5xWN+30yPLI=; X-YMail-OSG: HeSM9B4VM1nb0WMhHLqPoqTxMgqy.cAwHIhLDwU6mUx8rRTsFxE0YmWLWpWpneGlDZzaniyuGlZAhd5dEjZD14s_YErm0sSwT.KuzT1AzgWmMBRFcbFyLH8q5d6_TjL4D4NR0khqZS5DBphee.Buo4ZT Received: from [64.222.35.205] by web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:43:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:43:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] [OT] Storm To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <447167.26777.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 02:43:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1d23288291234514069 The storm is going to hit New England coast tomorrow. Rhode Island is prolly going to get the worst of it. I am excited and kinda looking at it as being an unique photographic opportunity. Here is a picture from the last time we had a storm... http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/alienspecimen/Storm/?action=view¤t=PICT2529a.jpg At the time, BBC requested that we submit pictures and this one was not up to their standards...you should have seen the crap choose to "showcase" on their site, pretty much like their programs... I dont think I am going to be sleeping tonight. I have everything the media advised to have...fresh batteries, some water, thrash cans secured, abundance of firewood and most important-a vehicle that could take me through flooded roads if I really need to evacuate. Some might say that I need a gun, but I dont think so...:) If it is really interesting, I will snap it with my camera and post it up for you to see. If not-I am going to fix my poor car, the one that got into an accident. Boris ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 02:48:47 2008 Received: (qmail 5881 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 00:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 00:48:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD5FC34C6; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:48:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:48:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.153]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B671FC3720 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:48:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 53160 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2008 00:48:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=mS8PB6/rH3kxJWY1kkWV9czKAVhC1MSCEOS33O7P9vaM8digt6bn2cf1MzvfDT09+Suxg3KzYWWkPnQNFsFwRg2u6YljdZnLOLiO2ZU+7tJFZE+DRQ7VN12ksF07Jwo6a7zdvUOAO0u17drsaDOtcaoVT6CCN0giaU9ms2bbdwQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 8fGV4oQVM1lbRHEd8nHos36V2iLRT.YUmKJ120QN5oTPeDiEiHeH8NKwGaBYw_yLzvTQL83ToFKbKHxlyEwoKqubMNb8y1S_Cl8BbFGEv8VoBOrVA6N5VGBvLub_TOVvPx8- Received: from [64.222.35.205] by web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:48:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:48:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Speaking of Cutoof To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <947715.52332.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 02:48:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1d36f30901470116606 This sucks... I dont think you are going to have a problem finding something else at 52. Raytheon constantly hires peeps in the 50-70 range. Good luck, I am glad that it wazent a surprise for you. Boris ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 03:32:49 2008 Received: (qmail 5633 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 01:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 01:32:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F68DC39E4; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 03:32:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:32:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B4DC37CA for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 03:32:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24462 invoked by uid 502); 6 Sep 2008 01:32:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.167.220) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 Sep 2008 01:32:29 -0000 Message-ID: <48C1DDA0.6080302@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:32:16 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What I'm doing in 2008/2009 [was: What I'm doing in 2007] References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 03:32:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1ddc1315854673671140 Michael Collins wrote: > ... > > One thing that's become apparent already is the need for a small number of top-level galleries and more depth in the hierarchy. I suspect 'singapore' doesn't make it easy to move galleries, so my FTP client or Dreamweaver may be getting quite a workout as I go. > Singapore itself doesn't help with gallery movement, but your web space provider may. The File Manager on IDCSoft did not provide for moving files and directories when I last checked some time ago. However, they now do so. It's now easy to grab files in a directory, create a new subdirectory for them and move them there. Singapore reacts simply. It now treats the old directory as a directory holding galleries. If you copy an image file into it, that file will become the thumbnail for it. It's really quite easy to split up a directory that was a single gallery into one with the contents split into several smaller galleries. No FTPing files back and forth. You may also move galleries across to other parts of the overall Gallery. I don't remember if I've posted about this: Singapore stores changes you make in it's on-line interface in a comma separated values file. There isn't one until you make any change to the default gallery, then it appears. This makes annotating files a snap. Download the .csv file, open it in a spreadsheet and fill in the blanks, then save it and upload. It is MUCH faster and easier than using the web interface for annotation. It also makes changing image order simple; something which the Singapore interface does very awkwardly - or maybe not at all? Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 04:54:08 2008 Received: (qmail 26769 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 02:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 02:54:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E12C34A5; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 04:53:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:53:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF84C349A for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 04:53:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D3CFF21C6 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:53:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3wzVDBaxdx4Z for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7492FF21B5 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080906014955.7469AC2ADE@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Tree felling debris Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:53:49 -0700 References: <20080906014955.7469AC2ADE@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 04:54:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c1f0d0317065368819438 From: Brian Gray > > In this part of NW England there is certainly a trade in wood > chippings... Another one of my sidelines: http://www.GreenChipper.ca There are others doing such things on the island, but no one else doing it powered by waste oil from local restaurants. :::: People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it. -- George Bernard Shaw :::: Jan Steinman ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 06:32:21 2008 Received: (qmail 14788 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 04:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 04:32:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED313C334B; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 06:32:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 06:32:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CECC9C36E3 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 06:32:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BGQf1a00K1GhbT859GY77x; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:32:07 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.249.190]) by OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BGY61a00N47DJWo3TGY7Es; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:32:07 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=d_nN502b27wTTDOjbO4A:9 a=ZBgtcYNTQj80BBWuHjIA:7 a=J6QX8i2svQLiT0LLY_Pb_Sfq1KMA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 Message-ID: From: "Darin" To: References: <20080905014036.0113CC3674@ml.free.fr> <7B130D28-472F-4FC7-94F2-F5361C2A9E89@Bytesmiths.com> <48C0F4D8.7070800@gmail.com> <00a301c90f3b$99579230$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48C1CF6C.6080200@adinet.com.uy> Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:32:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d.rhein@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 06:32:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c207d5147551869477228 I'd be interested in this decoding table also, when you can find it, or if someone else has it. I'm curious to know when the OM-4 I recently bought was made. Darin Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > > LOL ! - > Piers, my 4 is loaded with Provia right now. > Perhaps you can remember where did you hide yourself such a thing before > I finish the roll. > We're having fairly good results with memantine otherwise ...... > > ;^) > > Fernando > > Piers Hemy wrote: >> (if >> memory serves). Now, where did I put the decoding table.... >> >> Piers >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1654 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 1:24 PM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 06:46:38 2008 Received: (qmail 371 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 04:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 04:46:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD07C3BDD; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 06:46:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 06:46:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D914C3DD9 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 06:46:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 4.red-83-45-237.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.45.237.4]:49396 helo=[192.168.2.104]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KbpgJ-0004aW-02 (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:45:55 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Picture a Day discussion group , Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] PAD 31/08/08: a self portrait with two cameras Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 06:45:53 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 06:46:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c20b2e312671869477228 Still editing my Perpignan images, but I found this one funny. A self- portrait, although not made by me, and involving two cameras. LUGger Steve Unsworth is somewhere in the bokeh: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#366485865_CZB7k-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 07:14:35 2008 Received: (qmail 30262 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 05:14:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 05:14:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BCBC2D0A; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 07:14:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:14:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA48AC2CC8 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 07:14:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21208 invoked by uid 502); 6 Sep 2008 05:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.193.175) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 Sep 2008 05:14:22 -0000 Message-ID: <48C211A9.2070305@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:14:17 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body References: <20080905014036.0113CC3674@ml.free.fr> <7B130D28-472F-4FC7-94F2-F5361C2A9E89@Bytesmiths.com> <48C0F4D8.7070800@gmail.com> <00a301c90f3b$99579230$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48C1CF6C.6080200@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 07:14:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c211bb6831823421471 Darin wrote: > I'd be interested in this decoding table also, when you can find it, or if someone else has it. I'm curious to know when the OM-4 I recently bought was made. > Here is Piers misplaced decoder ring: ---------------------------------------------------------------- For later OM production the manufacturing date is marked as a four/five-character white code usually on the rear of the lens, or in the film chamber on the body. The first two characters indicate the assembly plant, the last two/three the production year and month. The year code starts with A=1981 (I think, reflecting the start of assembly at the new Tatsuno plant). At http://lists.tako.de/html/Olympus-OM/1999-02/msg00417.html , John Hermanson provided this worked example: "TNE5 = Factory "TN", E = 5, 1985, 5 + fifth month, May. May 1985." A later thread starts here http://lists.tako.de/html/Olympus-OM/2000-09/msg00983.html It appears that a further refinement was added to the code, the extra one/two digits (Day of assembly?) in some of the examples I have available - but I don't own all of them :( TNNC 21 OM-3Ti made in December 1994 TNO1 12 OM-3Ti made in January 1995 TNF54 OM-3 made in May 1986 TNF82 OM-4Ti made in August 1986 SUEA3 OM-PC made in October 1985 TNF4 50/2 made in April 1986 TNK3 50/1.2 made in March 1991 TNI2 24/3.5 made in February 1989 TNG8 100/2.8 made in August 1987 But I have several lenses which do not have any visible code (including my 50/1.4 which is an early s/n 223xxx) Earlier production M-1, OM-1 and OM-2 bodies had slightly different date codes, which are each documented on Mark's M-1 information page http://olympus.dementia.org/M-1/ , and in the OM-FAQ http://brashear.phys.appstate.edu/lhawkins/photo/olympus.faq.html at B21 ---------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 07:16:26 2008 Received: (qmail 29877 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 05:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 05:16:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E2DC2D73; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 07:16:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:16:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0403C2DFB for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 07:16:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22362 invoked by uid 502); 6 Sep 2008 05:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.193.175) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 Sep 2008 05:16:13 -0000 Message-ID: <48C21219.2090003@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:16:09 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Tree felling debris References: <20080906014955.7469AC2ADE@ml.free.fr> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 07:16:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c2122a166221702588592 Jan Steinman wrote: > From: Brian Gray > >> In this part of NW England there is certainly a trade in wood chippings... >> > > Another one of my sidelines: http://www.GreenChipper.ca > You are indeed a man of many parts. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 08:48:01 2008 Received: (qmail 24698 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 06:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 06:48:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB868C2ABB; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:47:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:47:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF225C2887 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:47:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 4.red-83-45-237.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.45.237.4]:49743 helo=[192.168.2.104]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KbraD-0006kT-2K (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 06:47:46 +0000 Message-Id: <456D369A-2F84-47C6-870E-6511673E58F0@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Picture a Day discussion group , olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] IMG: Visa pour l'Image - Perpignan gallery Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:47:43 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 08:48:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c227a170277927319144 Finally finished editing my pictures from last weekend in Perpignan down to these 37 photos: http://www.frozenlight.eu/perpignan/ This was my second visit to Visa pour l'Image, and very enjoyable. I saw between 10 and 15 exhibitions (there are so many that if you want to see them all, you probably need to stay for a week), met up with LUGgers Steve Unsworth and Tarek Charara, and spent some time walking around this beautiful town, located in the south of France, or in North Catalunya, depending on your point of view. In any event, I am glad to be living within driving distance (700 km) so I can now visit every year. As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 12:26:30 2008 Received: (qmail 24977 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 10:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 10:26:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886E0C2EFE; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:26:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:26:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1D3C33FE for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:26:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 29541 invoked by uid 518); 6 Sep 2008 10:26:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20080906102616.29540.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Trip to Valle de Bravo- winter home of the Monarch Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:26:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 74.78.194.221 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 12:26:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c25ad6257111257536491 Nathan is probably in anguish Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Moose > Subject: [OM] Re: Trip to Valle de Bravo- winter home of the Monarch > Sent: Sep 05 '08 19:40 > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > Tone down or clone out the very bright red in front of her eyes.  It's a very strong distracter from the eyes which should be the visual center point in a portrait.  Replacing the bright red with the much darker > > version above would probably work OK. > >   > I hesitated to so completely remove the background, but I'm not sure > why. > > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 12:28:50 2008 Received: (qmail 10139 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 10:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 10:28:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A94C3618; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:28:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:28:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A93EC352E for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:28:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6R008ANRRP0011@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:28:37 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-8-69.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.8.69]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:26:40 -0300 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:29:04 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Storm To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <6E94C09A178E47FD83A13D6D2CD6D297@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnIPAA/4wUgYighF/2dsb2JhbACBX4duqXYDgWI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,344,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="428888236" References: <447167.26777.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 12:28:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c25b6295651234514069 Perhaps the boy in blue should have been out of his cruiser getting the two youngsters to safety. Instead he chose to stay dry and comfy ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Wonka" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: [OM] [OT] Storm > > The storm is going to hit New England coast tomorrow. Rhode Island is > prolly going to get the worst of it. > > I am excited and kinda looking at it as being an unique photographic > opportunity. > > Here is a picture from the last time we had a storm... > http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/alienspecimen/Storm/?action=view¤t=PICT2529a.jpg > > At the time, BBC requested that we submit pictures and this one was not up > to their standards...you should have seen the crap choose to "showcase" on > their site, pretty much like their programs... > > I dont think I am going to be sleeping tonight. I have everything the > media advised to have...fresh batteries, some water, thrash cans secured, > abundance of firewood and most important-a vehicle that could take me > through flooded roads if I really need to evacuate. Some might say that I > need a gun, but I dont think so...:) > > If it is really interesting, I will snap it with my camera and post it up > for you to see. If not-I am going to fix my poor car, the one that got > into an accident. > > Boris > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 12:31:47 2008 Received: (qmail 21730 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 10:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 10:31:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4534BC39E3; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:31:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:31:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09814C3690 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:31:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6R00G7CRWNAII1@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:31:35 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-8-69.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.8.69]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:29:39 -0300 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:32:02 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Epson Stylus 3800 printer To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnIPADz5wUgYighF/2dsb2JhbACBX4duqgUDgWI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,344,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="304261099" References: <447167.26777.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6E94C09A178E47FD83A13D6D2CD6D297@hudson> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 12:31:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c25c13206471993019900 Does anyone have an Epson Stylus 3800 printer? If so, an off-list reply would be really appreciated. Thanks John Hudson ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 13:11:10 2008 Received: (qmail 21380 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 11:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 11:11:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226BCC4459; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:10:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 13:10:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684ABC4767 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:09:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2973 invoked by uid 518); 6 Sep 2008 11:09:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20080906110940.2972.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Visa pour l'Image - Perpignan gallery Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:09:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 74.78.194.221 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 13:11:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c2654d325081234514069 Eglise des dominicains or bakery or Light and shadow or Couvent des Minimes Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Nathan Wajsman > Subject: [OM] IMG: Visa pour l'Image - Perpignan gallery > Sent: Sep 06 '08 06:47 > > > Finally finished editing my pictures from last weekend in Perpignan   > down to these 37 photos: > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/perpignan/ > > This was my second visit to Visa pour l'Image, and very enjoyable. I   > saw between 10 and 15 exhibitions (there are so many that if you want   > to see them all, you probably need to stay for a week), met up with   > LUGgers Steve Unsworth and Tarek Charara, and spent some time walking   > around this beautiful town, located in the south of France, or in   > North Catalunya, depending on your point of view. In any event, I am   > glad to be living within driving distance (700 km) so I can now visit   > every year. > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 13:30:51 2008 Received: (qmail 6735 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 11:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 11:30:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13975C4061; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:30:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 13:30:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47B8C3F5B for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:30:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.145] (helo=anti-virus03-08) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Kbvzz-0001rV-Pr for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:30:39 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.5]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Kbvzv-0002xU-CH for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:30:35 +0100 Message-ID: <48C26A02.7070009@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:31:14 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Visa pour l'Image - Perpignan gallery References: <456D369A-2F84-47C6-870E-6511673E58F0@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <456D369A-2F84-47C6-870E-6511673E58F0@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 13:30:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c269eb11309117217770 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Finally finished editing my pictures from last weekend in Perpignan > down to these 37 photos: > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/perpignan/ > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Leaves. Just love it. Liked the shopping couples, I AM the guy with hands in pockets! I think it's studied nonchalance, the wife thinks it's boredom, and rude... ;-) D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 14:08:44 2008 Received: (qmail 8886 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 12:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 12:08:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823A9C431D; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:08:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:08:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA914C442C for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:08:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22767 invoked by uid 518); 6 Sep 2008 12:08:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20080906120829.22766.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:08:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 74.78.194.221 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 14:08:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c272cc47021234514069 I thought you would reply that HDR might not have been required and I have to admit that I didn't try manipulating one of the middle exposures. I'll have to try that when I get back. I do like the rework on the HDR images. They are prettier. But I'm not sure they look like the original scene which was fairly dark. I've come down in definite favor of the rework on #2 but I'm still mulling #1 although it's slowly sinking in. I deliberately didn't even do LCE on these and that was probably a mistake. The rework on the tree was a revelation. We'll have to discuss what you did. I applied LCE but that's all. I want to be able to repro that before printing. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Moose > Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? > Sent: Sep 06 '08 00:29 > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > The first two images here are HDR images of "my type". > > > > They're built from about 8 exposures 1 stop apart.  I think they're pretty close to what I could see with my eye but the camera couldn't. > I'm not entirely convinced - see below. > > On exposures where the sky showed a modest amount of color the foreground was almost completely black.  When the foreground had some detail the sky was completely blown. > >   > That sounds right. > > I like the way PhotoShop HDR works now that I understand it.  The resultant 32 bit image has so much range that you can only view it in brightness "slices" since there's no way for the monitor to reproduce it let alone a print. > >   > I believe that too. The theory all sounds fine, but the results don't > convince me, so far. > > #1. On my monitor, there are areas of shadow where I can discern no > detail. Pretty normal in a non HDR image, where bringing up shadow > detail will often just bring up noise. Perfectly lovely image, but I'm > not seeing much, if any, more DR than I imagine I would with a well > exposed 5D RAW file. > > Also, brightness seems to me to be the Achilles heel of monitor > calibration. Color balance is fairly absolute, but brightness is not, so > a brighter monitor will result in a different looking image than a > darker one. In this case, if I raise brightness, there's lots of nice > detail in the shadows, and with no noise issues, so the HDR worked in > that sense. But if I do, highlight details disappear. So it seems to me > that further adjustment is needed to take advantage of the greater > available DR in a limited display environment. > > I've done a couple of alternates where I spread shadows up a bit, > highlights down a bit, add contrast to the center and use a mask to > bring the tree trunks up a bit more. On my monitor, tree detail just > almost completely disappears in the upper corners.There's more that > could be revealed, but that doesn't seem natural looking to me. > > > #2. This one bothers me more. Of course, it's possible that the air was > really hazy, in which case, ignore my comments. It feels tonally > ungrounded to me. The metaphor that pops to mind is a symphony where all > the bass instruments are silent, with their parts played an octave > higher by other instruments in the same family. There is also invisible, > to me, sky detail, but it's the missing deep tones that bother me. > > I invited the tympani, string basses, bassoons and tubas back to try > some alternative versions. > > > #3. I know, it's not HDR. Still there it is to look at ... It seems to > me to suffer to a lesser extent to the lack of grounding, gravitas, > whatever I mean, as #2. Bring in the darker tones to balance the > tonality and bring out the texture of the trunks, and it just sings for > me. > > No HDRs Yet Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 19:23:54 2008 Received: (qmail 31995 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 17:23:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 17:23:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B78FC2B49; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:23:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:23:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B3DC2946 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:23:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BRS21a0010xGWP856VPgen; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:23:40 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.249.190]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BVPd1a00447DJWo3YVPdPa; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:23:38 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VddxmFACAAAA:8 a=28zexAvQAAAA:8 a=z7bEXfYtAAAA:8 a=l2YnF9Mjo0rmPF4_ajcA:9 a=94gd1LaEbrlcx6p30FXOGdSfyPIA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 Message-ID: From: "Darin" To: References: <20080905014036.0113CC3674@ml.free.fr> <7B130D28-472F-4FC7-94F2-F5361C2A9E89@Bytesmiths.com> <48C0F4D8.7070800@gmail.com> <00a301c90f3b$99579230$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48C1CF6C.6080200@adinet.com.uy> <48C211A9.2070305@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: WTB: OM-4T body Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:23:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d.rhein@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 19:23:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c2bcaa32241744846740 Thanks Moose, I know Ive seen this before. I'll be sure to save it this time. Darin > Here is Piers misplaced decoder ring: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > For later OM production the manufacturing date is marked as a > four/five-character white code usually on the rear of the lens, or in the > film chamber on the body. The first two characters indicate the assembly > plant, the last two/three the production year and month. The year code > starts with A=1981 (I think, reflecting the start of assembly at the new > Tatsuno plant). > > At http://lists.tako.de/html/Olympus-OM/1999-02/msg00417.html , John > Hermanson provided this worked example: "TNE5 = Factory "TN", E = 5, 1985, > 5 > + fifth month, May. May 1985." > > A later thread starts here > http://lists.tako.de/html/Olympus-OM/2000-09/msg00983.html > > It appears that a further refinement was added to the code, the extra > one/two digits (Day of assembly?) in some of the examples I have > available > - but I don't own all of them :( > > TNNC 21 OM-3Ti made in December 1994 > TNO1 12 OM-3Ti made in January 1995 > TNF54 OM-3 made in May 1986 > TNF82 OM-4Ti made in August 1986 > SUEA3 OM-PC made in October 1985 > TNF4 50/2 made in April 1986 > TNK3 50/1.2 made in March 1991 > TNI2 24/3.5 made in February 1989 > TNG8 100/2.8 made in August 1987 > > But I have several lenses which do not have any visible code (including my > 50/1.4 which is an early s/n 223xxx) > > Earlier production M-1, OM-1 and OM-2 bodies had slightly different date > codes, which are each documented on Mark's M-1 information page > http://olympus.dementia.org/M-1/ , and in the OM-FAQ > http://brashear.phys.appstate.edu/lhawkins/photo/olympus.faq.html at B21 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 6 19:42:46 2008 Received: (qmail 26885 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 17:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 17:42:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C64C3B60; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:42:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:42:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.225]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE434C37DF for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:42:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c49so304541wra.17 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:42:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=5Rzg23pfJfAyHG0NJVIgXEJU2vfhsvA9Fp15HrAxRf4=; b=VyNBHU/obLkSXy8B2xImzxYSXlGPmD8iBv5G/hx0fyE9YwyJbLhHW6537Awm4P/FSh YP2XWuUhJnRtNK1ru4mB5gULQCRnu/fF09aBjycXkzFYTYg7J7w9eOqeB4b6a+s/sIrz JYLN4ReaiuP1LrcxQ7Xu2bn9wk0PPLJvcAyXc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=NNX+Ngx2+6A3PN/zCWbTuy/ITgTc0dksFyuJJhDYG+XXZAuj+tUypOCL/ycG+kw29R vnfrJHzb+IahxeyY/qNb92ui9Ika1h0MMfxa6J9TApNMcMutBWso2eDweombsB+/I2P2 pvmYCh6TpMo1Ng/2EL0fw9RYrFSGisAAb4xmg= Received: by 10.90.89.14 with SMTP id m14mr13449352agb.18.1220722954351; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:42:34 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Opinion and shameless plug In-Reply-To: <19335470.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <19335470.post@talk.nabble.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0f1275ad71cf62e4 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 6 19:42:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c2c116222351073733319 Oops, I was wrong. The grid screen (FS-2) cost me $39.99. The eyecup EP-2 cost $24.99. This is what happens when your brain is on minimal sleep. AG http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 00:56:18 2008 Received: (qmail 5775 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 22:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 22:56:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B6BC32FC; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 00:56:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:56:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA21C322A for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 00:56:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7051 invoked by uid 502); 6 Sep 2008 22:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.0.85) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 Sep 2008 22:56:03 -0000 Message-ID: <48C30A80.60702@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:56:00 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? References: <20080906120829.22766.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> In-Reply-To: <20080906120829.22766.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 00:56:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c30a929891234514069 chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > I thought you would reply that HDR might not have been required and I have to admit that I didn't try manipulating one of the middle exposures. I'll have to try that when I get back. > I thought about that. I do think a very good image could come from one low ISO image that just avoids clipping the sky. However, even in an 8 bit JPEG, the depth of noise free shadow detail in the HDR version makes tonal adjustment a joy. I do think 8 exposures is overkill in the interest of experimentation. I suspect two about three stops apart would do the job. I have on a few occasions taken bracketed shots thinking to combine them and found that only one was needed. > I do like the rework on the HDR images. They are prettier. But I'm not sure they look like the original scene which was fairly dark. That's one of the problems with extending the dynamic range. Useful as it sounds, it either has to be limited to subtle effects or it makes the tonality look unnatural. I think it is partly due to the very different way that photography and human vision work. Only the central portion of our visual field is sharp and sees color. Only the outer portion sees into shadows. So when we are looking at a scene like this, our eyes move around and create a virtual composite. Then when we view a photographic image of the same subject, we carefully put all, or at least most, of it in the central field. It just isn't the same thing, so we are trying to find a compromise that looks good, and conveys the sense of the subject, but is never going to be the same. On the other hand, no mosquitoes! :-) > I've come down in definite favor of the rework on #2 but I'm still mulling #1 although it's slowly sinking in. I moved these images. Much the way I felt. It was easy to work on #2. It didn't look right to me and took little coaxing to come into balance. With #1, the image as presented is quite appealing. It has very much the feel of sitting on the water at the end of a perfect day, watching the sun set. Warm, soft and comfy. Still, as it was an HDR image, I thought it would be interesting so see what making more dynamic range visible might contribute. Bringing out the highlight detail and balancing the central brightness/contrast to the rest of the image was easy. Bringing up deep shadow detail so it was there, but not too much so, was tricky. I ended up using mask painting with low flow to work in those areas. The result is, I think, quite a pleasing image, but with a very different feeling tone. I'm not sure I can say one or the other is "better". Using a mask to blend some of the center soft feel with some of the outer shadow detail might be better than either - or not. :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 01:33:43 2008 Received: (qmail 215 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2008 23:33:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 23:33:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EADC2E6F; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:33:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:33:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B564FC3045 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:33:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23520 invoked by uid 502); 6 Sep 2008 23:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.206.176) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 Sep 2008 23:33:29 -0000 Message-ID: <48C31347.6090005@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:33:27 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Tree tonalities [wasWhat are you using for HDR images?] References: <20080906120829.22766.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> In-Reply-To: <20080906120829.22766.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 01:33:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c31357323821234514069 chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > ... > > The rework on the tree was a revelation. We'll have to discuss what you did. I applied LCE but that's all. I want to be able to repro that before printing. You're in luck. I happen to have kept the work levels in that file. So I was able to go back and recreate the steps without a lot of hassle. The first thing to notice is how subtle and tricky images are. Simply downsizing the image so that the whole thing may be seen at the same time as the roll-over boxes seems to have subtly made the final result ever so slightly darker looking than the original. Be assured that there has been no such change at the larger size. 1. This step makes the image look worse that the original. I find that's fairly often necessary. Looking ahead at the histograms, you will see that I go right ahead and let the highlights go later. So why use Highlight adjustment? First, look at the leaves silhouetted against the sky on the upper right edge. Notice how they become more clearly defined, separated from the background. That remains. Second, LCE often pushes higher tonal values into clipping. Depending on the nature of the image, I either drop Brightness and sometimes also Contrast to leave headroom or, as here, use Highlights to do it. 2. LCE does its magic, shaping the tonal details to give depth and differentiation and start to bring better texture to the trunks. "Show Clipping" in the Curves dialog box shows that I've increased highlight clipping. I fret a moment about numbers perfection, then decide I like the way it looks, leave it and move on. 3. Looking at the Tool settings, you can see the curves adjustment is small, but brings additional depth and richness. It was just a bit too strong as I did it, so the layer opacity was lowered to 90%. That flexibility is one reason I love layers. 4. Sharpening brings out the texture detail in tree trunks, rocks, grass and road. The amount needed for them is too much for the leaves, so I backed it off in those areas with a low flow brush on a mask. Sharpening at final size for printing would be different than this. I didn't show the tool settings as I used FM SI Pro II, which is not part of PS and the settings were then locally altered with the mask. ----------- Some thoughts on histograms and clipping. I am almost fanatic about retaining all the highlight and shadow detail I can in RAW images and film scans. I want all the flexibility possible when working on the image. On the other hand, I cheerfully let either or both ends clip in the process of creating the final version I like. As in this image, I like the effect of letting some clipping of the top of the green range in the brighter leaves. Even more commonly, small, scattered bits of shadow are of no consequence to the image and letting them go black looks good. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 03:17:14 2008 Received: (qmail 5098 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 01:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 01:17:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9CDC34AD; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 03:17:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:17:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.147]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B4887C3541 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 03:16:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 34372 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2008 01:16:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=nzIVIGSCxeqrelfEYv3IOgtmMfJ9fjcSdLVCUaiGhxMu54MEbq77BH61b05OH12FFbaN9Cxdu9HzVYWwEFjg7GdyEog5eqXSx9bjyOdntL0e+quMWMLiaPG6G/+qPg6a+SyE7NkGAkrDCGnjxw/aWXs5WWEY99fxMLhf4X8pnVI=; X-YMail-OSG: GDvDETYVM1neZRe8ft9HVIkIr3RJBTM9ArysZ6m4J.RJ6RkemJEEsco7H9Ncmuvz1tBV22CzT_nJ0YJOhzUXYULYWzdR.HXUPrZyRBmkuvEP8fuRxgxw7xqvxha2OomJPVE4S6ie8uUVzHFYiIIB2B9N Received: from [64.222.35.205] by web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:16:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Storm To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <921841.34346.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 03:17:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c32b9a220781234514069 This is Rhode Island, sir. The police would explain in great detail that whatevah you want to do is extremely stupid, but won't stop you when you decide to get hurt... So far things have been pretty quiet here, no hurricane pictures yet, just managed to change two O2 sensors and learn how to change airbags... I am really disappointed. Boris ................................................................................... John Hudson wrote: Perhaps the boy in blue should have been out of his cruiser getting the two youngsters to safety. Instead he chose to stay dry and comfy ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Wonka" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: [OM] [OT] Storm > > The storm is going to hit New England coast tomorrow. Rhode Island is > prolly going to get the worst of it. > > I am excited and kinda looking at it as being an unique photographic > opportunity. > > Here is a picture from the last time we had a storm... > http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/alienspecimen/Storm/?action=view¤t=PICT2529a.jpg > > At the time, BBC requested that we submit pictures and this one was not up > to their standards...you should have seen the crap choose to "showcase" on > their site, pretty much like their programs... > > I dont think I am going to be sleeping tonight. I have everything the > media advised to have...fresh batteries, some water, thrash cans secured, > abundance of firewood and most important-a vehicle that could take me > through flooded roads if I really need to evacuate. Some might say that I > need a gun, but I dont think so...:) > > If it is really interesting, I will snap it with my camera and post it up > for you to see. If not-I am going to fix my poor car, the one that got > into an accident. > > Boris ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 04:31:22 2008 Received: (qmail 4130 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 02:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 02:31:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B069AC329D; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 04:31:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 04:31:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB8CC313D for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 04:31:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5373 invoked by uid 518); 7 Sep 2008 02:31:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20080907023108.5372.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:31:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 74.78.194.221 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 04:31:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c33cfa259057350615338 I'll have to review the HDR doc but I think it recommends a minimum of 3 images but I do think that's probably all that would be required. Right now I'm on my krappy laptop and not in a position to judge the kolor of anything for the next 6 weeks or so. You were absolutely right about the mosquitoes. There's no way anyone could actually sit in those chairs at the time the photos were taken. I donated 5 pints of blood during my short shooting session. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Moose > Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? > Sent: Sep 06 '08 22:56 > > chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > > I thought you would reply that HDR might not have been required and I have to admit that I didn't try manipulating one of the middle exposures.  I'll have to try that when I get back. > >   > I thought about that. I do think a very good image could come from one > low ISO image that just avoids clipping the sky. However, even in an 8 > bit JPEG, the depth of noise free shadow detail in the HDR version makes > tonal adjustment a joy. I do think 8 exposures is overkill in the > interest of experimentation. I suspect two about three stops apart would > do the job. > > I have on a few occasions taken bracketed shots thinking to combine them > and found that only one was needed. > > I do like the rework on the HDR images.  They are prettier.  But I'm not sure they look like the original scene which was fairly dark.   > That's one of the problems with extending the dynamic range. Useful as > it sounds, it either has to be limited to subtle effects or it makes the > tonality look unnatural. I think it is partly due to the very different > way that photography and human vision work. Only the central portion of > our visual field is sharp and sees color. Only the outer portion sees > into shadows. So when we are looking at a scene like this, our eyes move > around and create a virtual composite. Then when we view a photographic > image of the same subject, we carefully put all, or at least most, of it > in the central field. > > It just isn't the same thing, so we are trying to find a compromise that > looks good, and conveys the sense of the subject, but is never going to > be the same. On the other hand, no mosquitoes! :-) > > I've come down in definite favor of the rework on #2 but I'm still mulling #1 although it's slowly sinking in. > I moved these images. > > > Much the way I felt. It was easy to work on #2. It didn't look right to > me and took little coaxing to come into balance. > > With #1, the image as presented is quite appealing. It has very much the > feel of sitting on the water at the end of a perfect day, watching the > sun set. Warm, soft and comfy. > > > Still, as it was an HDR image, I thought it would be interesting so see > what making more dynamic range visible might contribute. Bringing out > the highlight detail and balancing the central brightness/contrast to > the rest of the image was easy. Bringing up deep shadow detail so it was > there, but not too much so, was tricky. I ended up using mask painting > with low flow to work in those areas. > > The result is, I think, quite a pleasing image, but with a very > different feeling tone. I'm not sure I can say one or the other is > "better". Using a mask to blend some of the center soft feel with some > of the outer shadow detail might be better than either - or not. :-) > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 04:34:54 2008 Received: (qmail 7702 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 02:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 02:34:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081A3C2B05; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 04:34:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 04:34:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B713C2CBB for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 04:34:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 6672 invoked by uid 518); 7 Sep 2008 02:34:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20080907023441.6671.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Tree tonalities [wasWhat are you using for HDR images?] Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:34:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 74.78.194.221 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 04:34:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c33dce134221702588592 I'll have to stash this for much later review. Krappy kolor prevents any reasonable review. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Moose > Subject: [OM] Tree tonalities [wasWhat are you using for HDR images?] > Sent: Sep 06 '08 23:33 > > chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > > ... > > > > The rework on the tree was a revelation.  We'll have to discuss what you did.  I applied LCE but that's all.  I want to be able to repro that before printing. > You're in luck. I happen to have kept the work levels in that file. So I > was able to go back and recreate the steps without a lot of hassle. > > > The first thing to notice is how subtle and tricky images are. Simply > downsizing the image so that the whole thing may be seen at the same > time as the roll-over boxes seems to have subtly made the final result > ever so slightly darker looking than the original. Be assured that there > has been no such change at the larger size. > > > 1. This step makes the image look worse that the original. I find that's > fairly often necessary. Looking ahead at the histograms, you  will see > that I go right ahead and let the highlights go later. So why use > Highlight adjustment? First, look at the leaves silhouetted against the > sky on the upper right edge. Notice how they become more clearly > defined, separated from the background. That remains. > > Second, LCE often pushes higher tonal values into clipping. Depending on > the nature of the image, I either drop Brightness and sometimes also > Contrast to leave headroom or, as here, use Highlights to do it. > > 2. LCE does its magic, shaping the tonal details to give depth and > differentiation and start to bring better texture to the trunks. "Show > Clipping" in the Curves dialog box shows that I've increased highlight > clipping. I fret a moment about numbers perfection, then decide I like > the way it looks, leave it and move on. > > 3. Looking at the Tool settings, you can see the curves adjustment is > small, but brings additional depth and richness. It was just a bit too > strong as I did it, so the layer opacity was lowered to 90%. That > flexibility is one reason I love layers. > > 4. Sharpening brings out the texture detail in tree trunks, rocks, grass > and road. The amount needed for them is too much for the leaves, so I > backed it off in those areas with a low flow brush on a mask. Sharpening > at final size for printing would be different than this. I didn't show > the tool settings as I used FM SI Pro II, which is not part of PS and > the settings were then locally altered with the mask. > ----------- > > Some thoughts on histograms and clipping. I am almost fanatic about > retaining all the highlight and shadow detail I can in RAW images and > film scans. I want all the flexibility possible when working on the > image. On the other hand, I cheerfully let either or both ends clip in > the process of creating the final version I like. As in this image, I > like the effect of letting some clipping of the top of the green range > in the brighter leaves. Even more commonly, small, scattered bits of > shadow are of no consequence to the image and letting them go black > looks good. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 04:41:19 2008 Received: (qmail 32063 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 02:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 02:41:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364A3C3677; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 04:41:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 04:41:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EFADC3828 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 04:41:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 83525 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2008 02:41:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=LVuHyav+2gCISzvEzGa/ypVp+gai++1f1vIiZK/tcwYiRc9FCGra5grmd8xQF+7dq65CPWpg8B/BD7LTGVeS4bEIh+iUlvQ54jU8aHgVLedhxJYvClO+WGwI4JNaCKXumxb9T9i2E9eS8/OwoDQ4NOY158dMfaW/SHjUvC2O7j8=; X-YMail-OSG: t1ivCpsVM1mlfZODwskliq5a.EZA_ca3G7ldr2ZXPioLJgD7s.3FdQ2CKNv7lzIPXw-- Received: from [71.126.11.140] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:41:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:41:06 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080907023108.5372.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <71060.83473.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 04:41:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c33f4f261191993019900 3 images minimum are suggested for HDR. However, you can do as many exposures as your camera will allow. Using Photomatix you can also tonemap a single image - making it a pseudo-hdr. --- On Sat, 9/6/08, chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > From: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com > Subject: [OM] Re: What are you using for HDR images? > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 10:31 PM > I'll have to review the HDR doc but I think it > recommends a minimum of 3 images but I do think that's > probably all that would be required. Right now I'm on > my krappy laptop and not in a position to judge the kolor of > anything for the next 6 weeks or so. > > You were absolutely right about the mosquitoes. > There's no way anyone could actually sit in those chairs > at the time the photos were taken. I donated 5 pints of > blood during my short shooting session. > > Chuck Norcutt > ============================= ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 06:15:25 2008 Received: (qmail 23888 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 04:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 04:15:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66BBC2D41; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 06:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 06:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F42C2823 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 06:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EA41090F5A for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:15:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q49A7sLpEru5 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490FE1090EE2 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4C45ABFB-0E17-47E9-B3E0-D4068F87E9B6@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080907013455.232A4C339A@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Tree felling debris Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:15:05 -0700 References: <20080907013455.232A4C339A@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 06:15:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c3555d280029347015869 > From: Moose > > Jan Steinman wrote: >> From: Brian Gray >> >>> In this part of NW England there is certainly a trade in wood >>> chippings... >> >> Another one of my sidelines: http://www.GreenChipper.ca >> > You are indeed a man of many parts. Now if I could only get them all playing the same tune together... :::: Remember, it isn't paranoia if they're REALLY out to get 'cha. -- Frank Zappa :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 09:04:40 2008 Received: (qmail 26615 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 07:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 07:04:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1E5C321D; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:04:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:04:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1397FC3204 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:04:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 225.red-83-61-230.staticip.rima-tde.net ([83.61.230.225]:53091 helo=[192.168.2.104]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KcEJu-0008N0-9T (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:04:27 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Singing the praises of PT Lens Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:04:10 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 09:04:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c37d08266171342116753 While I generally like to keep things simple (I do everything in Lightroom, I do not mess around with other RAW converters, I keep my manipulation to the minimum etc.), I must admit to having made an exception this weekend by acquiring PT Lens for the princely sum of $15 (which gives you an unlimited license to use it on all your computers, whether Mac or Windows or both). I bought it for a very specific reason: as much as I like the super-light combination of my E420 and 25mm pancake, the lens does suffer from noticeable barrel distortion, clearly visible in for example seascapes or images with vertical lines close to the edges of the frame. I have resisted PT Lens until now because it would have required me to treat the images involved in a separate, stand-alone application. But as of Lightroom 2, PT Lens can be opened from within Lightroom, just like Photoshop, making the whole experience completely painless. I have not played with any of its settings, so the process is literally two steps: (1) in Lightroom, I select "Edit in PT Lens", the image opens in PT Lens, and I just click OK to return to Lightroom with the now corrected image. Works like a charm. I have posted some examples on my site: http://www.greatpix.eu/ (click on PT Lens demonstration under Featured Galleries to see 6 pairs of before/after images) Those who have followed my posting know that I have a digital code of conduct, which this violates. It does not mean that I am now on some slippery slope which will lead me to the horrors of overdone HDR, "artistic" Photoshop filters and the like. But PT Lens is a really neat application which for me removes the only thing I disliked about one of my favourite lenses. Highly recommended. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 10:41:28 2008 Received: (qmail 29332 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 08:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 08:41:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380CEC33C5; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:41:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:41:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.threshinc.com (mail.threshinc.com [209.189.206.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D01C3069 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:41:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from figaro.threshinc.com (unknown [209.189.223.38]) by mail.threshinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D56E039C714 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20080907014031.0329bd90@mail.threshinc.com> X-Sender: pklein@threshinc.com@mail.threshinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:41:14 -0700 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Peter Klein Subject: [OM] IMG: Green Lake Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pklein@threshinc.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 10:41:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c393b8271601744846740 Good weather has returned to Seattle after a generally disappointing August. Let's hope it stays for a while. In the meantime, gather ye sunbeams while ye may. So we went to Green Lake on Saturday. Some nice symmetry here. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P9062403DogsSwimFetch-w.jpg.html E-510 with a manual focus OM 100/2.8. One of the few I nailed with this combination. The rest are with the Digital Zuiko 14-54/2.8-3.5. The Bichon was very excited to meet me. The Yorkie thought he was crackers. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P9062425Bichon2Paws-w.jpg.html http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P9062426Bichon1Paw-w.jpg.html Walking back from dinner at dusk, this scene reminded me of a Japanese print: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P9062449DuskDuck-w.jpg.html Panhandlers can be found on most of our freeway entrance and exit ramps. This one caused some unintended humor. . . http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P9062394CheekyPanhandler-w.jpg.html --Peter ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 12:56:35 2008 Received: (qmail 23044 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 10:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 10:56:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8209C3472; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 12:56:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:56:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C683C3392 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 12:56:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6T0005ENPYDH31@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:56:22 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-8-69.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.8.69]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:53:47 -0300 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:56:49 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] absolutely OT but fun To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <39722541800644588A1F08D5DE2FEB4B@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMVAOVPw0gYighF/2dsb2JhbACBX4dyo2GFKwOBYw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,351,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="354405982" References: <20080907013455.232A4C339A@ml.free.fr> <4C45ABFB-0E17-47E9-B3E0-D4068F87E9B6@Bytesmiths.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 12:56:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c3b363319149117217770 Just heard this piece on CBC radio. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCljFYn3zTY Listen. jh ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 15:29:15 2008 Received: (qmail 10214 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 13:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 13:29:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7BAC3AB7; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA73BC3A0C for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:29:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6T0001EUSFDFC1@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:29:03 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-8-69.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.8.69]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:26:17 -0300 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:29:31 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMVANJzw0gYighF/2dsb2JhbACBX4dyqHEDgWM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,351,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="304921435" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080907014031.0329bd90@mail.threshinc.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 15:29:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c3d72b127921744846740 Does anyone use AGFA Scala 200 ISO black and white slide film? If so might there be any images to view? I have found two complete 36 exposure rolls in my deep freezer and might be be out experimenting sometime very soon. Does anyone have the address of the Canadian processing station? John Hudson ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 16:22:56 2008 Received: (qmail 21687 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 14:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 14:22:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0D5C2AF3; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:22:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:22:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27D5C28CA for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:22:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KcLA2-0001F0-7F for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:22:42 +0000 Message-ID: <48C3E3B2.70602@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:22:42 +0100 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080907014031.0329bd90@mail.threshinc.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [217.155.39.109] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@m93.myzen.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 16:22:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c3e3c0182261470116606 John, Just got into using Scala a few months before it was discontinued... :-( Really liked it, though not sure how much was to do with the novelty value. Have some images on-line here - http://archaeoimages.com/Bath-01/index.html & here - http://archaeoimages.com/Duxford-01/index.html Used to get it processed by a firm called Primary Colour here in the UK though I believe they stopped doing it some time ago - could well be a problem finding a lab (that's what stopped me buying any more of it on e-bay). Regards - Martyn Smoothy John Hudson wrote: > Does anyone use AGFA Scala 200 ISO black and white slide film? > > If so might there be any images to view? > > I have found two complete 36 exposure rolls in my deep freezer and might be > be out experimenting sometime very soon. > > Does anyone have the address of the Canadian processing station? > > John Hudson > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 16:29:26 2008 Received: (qmail 20573 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 14:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 14:29:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73072C2916; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:29:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:29:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4568BC2B1E for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:29:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KcLGM-0005Zn-1K for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:29:14 +0000 Message-ID: <48C3E539.3090408@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:29:13 +0100 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080907014031.0329bd90@mail.threshinc.com> <48C3E3B2.70602@m93.myzen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48C3E3B2.70602@m93.myzen.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [217.155.39.109] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@m93.myzen.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 16:29:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c3e546259549347015869 Also - just remembered seeing this link - http://processc22.googlepages.com/Agfascala.html - never used these people so can't vouch for them. But maybe as a last resort if you can't find anywhere local. Martyn Smoothy wrote: > John, > > Just got into using Scala a few months before it was discontinued... :-( > Really liked it, though not sure how much was to do with the novelty value. > > Have some images on-line here - http://archaeoimages.com/Bath-01/index.html > > & here - http://archaeoimages.com/Duxford-01/index.html > > Used to get it processed by a firm called Primary Colour here in the UK > though I believe they stopped doing it some time ago - could well be a > problem finding a lab (that's what stopped me buying any more of it on > e-bay). > > Regards - Martyn Smoothy > > > > John Hudson wrote: > >> Does anyone use AGFA Scala 200 ISO black and white slide film? >> >> If so might there be any images to view? >> >> I have found two complete 36 exposure rolls in my deep freezer and might be >> be out experimenting sometime very soon. >> >> Does anyone have the address of the Canadian processing station? >> >> John Hudson ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 17:10:18 2008 Received: (qmail 8445 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 15:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 15:10:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12185C3A87; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:10:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:10:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504D8C3CFF for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:10:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080907151000.MWFX11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:10:00 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.138]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id Br9z1a0092zrj1Q02rA0g3; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:10:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c91179$eb55bef0$8af06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080907014031.0329bd90@mail.threshinc.com> <48C3E3B2.70602@m93.myzen.co.uk> <48C3E539.3090408@m93.myzen.co.uk> Subject: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 01:12:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 17:10:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c3eeda42711257536491 I've still got one roll in the frozen. And a mailer, which I believe is no longer valid. I remember reading that the US processor isn't doing it (or perhaps anything else) now. There is the dr1 folks that make any B&W film into slides, though. The scala I used was remarkable, with reasonably fine grain and unbelivable tonality. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 20:12:09 2008 Received: (qmail 1280 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 18:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 18:12:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AABC3392; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:11:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:11:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31704C33FC for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:11:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2562C314088 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788CE314086 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C41978.4010502@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:12:08 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Tree felling debris Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080907-0, 09/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 20:12:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4197932241744846740 > Two person crew: $60/hour..... Very reasonable price too. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 20:12:59 2008 Received: (qmail 17596 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 18:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 18:12:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1EEC324C; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:12:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:12:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0973C3166 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:12:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 225.red-83-61-230.staticip.rima-tde.net ([83.61.230.225]:54404 helo=[192.168.2.104]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KcOkf-0005Iw-2x (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:12:46 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080906102616.29540.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Trip to Valle de Bravo- winter home of the Monarch Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:12:44 +0200 References: <20080906102616.29540.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 20:12:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c419ab221591257536491 Absolutely, the only way to deal with it is to have (yet) another beer. But just so y'all do not think I am a complete fundamentalist, I have today coughed up the $15 for PT Lens after trying it on some 25mm pancake images with barrel distortion. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Sep 6, 2008, at 12:26 PM, wrote: > Nathan is probably in anguish > > Chuck Norcutt > > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: Moose >> Subject: [OM] Re: Trip to Valle de Bravo- winter home of the Monarch >> Sent: Sep 05 '08 19:40 >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> Tone down or clone out the very bright red in front of her eyes. >>> It's a very strong distracter from the eyes which should be the >>> visual center point in a portrait. Replacing the bright red with >>> the much darker >>> version above would probably work OK. >>> >> I hesitated to so completely remove the background, but I'm not sure >> why. >> > pg> >> >> Moose >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 20:46:25 2008 Received: (qmail 22536 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 18:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 18:46:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD871C3471; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:46:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:46:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBE0C3651 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:46:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E9A314088 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5FB314006 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C42182.3050502@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:46:26 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Scary moment Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080907-0, 09/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 20:46:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c42181291717927319144 This morning while taking some photos with the 135/4.5 mounted on my E510 on tripod. I suddenly found myself holding the lens and extension tube in my hand. The three screws that hold the adapter together came loose and the lens just fell off. Beware! Luckily I was focusing at the time and caught the lens before it hit the deck. These tiny screws extend an extremely short distance into the soft aluminum so it will take very little stress to strip them out. I'll have to rethink mounting the 300/2.8 via these adapters from jinfinance. Perhaps I can drill and tap for larger diameter and longer screws. In the meantime I reassembled the adapter and the threads seemed to bite but a little too much torque will easily break them loose. Definitely do not stress this joint. Check those screws folks. I also wonder if all adapters are created equal. Maybe some of you could pull a screw and take a look at the size. I'd like to know if other manufacturers make a more sturdy product. FWIW these screws mic @ 1.3mm diameter x 2.4mm length Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 20:53:39 2008 Received: (qmail 31363 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 18:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 18:53:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F86C2E9A; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:53:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:53:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [207.115.11.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E490CC2AA2 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:53:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20080907185325H02000v43pe>; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:53:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <48C42182.3050502@interisland.net> Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:53:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 20:53:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4233343181234514069 Mike, I had a hint of the problem when I used my Fotodiox adapter to mount my 200/4 Takumar on my E-510. The Fotodiox is also a 2-piece adapter. When I felt the first hint of looseness, I snugged up all of the screws and have been careful since then when heavy lenses were in use. I'm told that some adapters are made in one piece, but I don't have a list of the suppliers. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: "1" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: [OM] Scary moment > > This morning while taking some photos with the 135/4.5 mounted on my > E510 on tripod. I suddenly found myself holding the lens and extension > tube in my hand. The three screws that hold the adapter together came > loose and the lens just fell off. Beware! Luckily I was focusing at the > time and caught the lens before it hit the deck. These tiny screws > extend an extremely short distance into the soft aluminum so it will > take very little stress to strip them out. I'll have to rethink mounting > the 300/2.8 via these adapters from jinfinance. Perhaps I can drill and > tap for larger diameter and longer screws. In the meantime I reassembled > the adapter and the threads seemed to bite but a little too much torque > will easily break them loose. Definitely do not stress this joint. Check > those screws folks. > > I also wonder if all adapters are created equal. Maybe some of you could > pull a screw and take a look at the size. I'd like to know if other > manufacturers make a more sturdy product. FWIW these screws mic @ 1.3mm > diameter x 2.4mm length > > Mike > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 21:10:57 2008 Received: (qmail 22186 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 19:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 19:10:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CDAC298E; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:10:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:10:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (fed1rmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.241.40]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E55CC2F2A for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:10:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080907191044.FGTX8615.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:10:44 -0400 Received: from microndesktop ([68.231.166.251]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id BvAj1a0065RmP9w03vAjQW; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:10:43 -0400 Message-ID: <32106C9B753D477BAC8338A1C6EC4669@microndesktop> From: "Johann Thorsson" To: References: <48C42182.3050502@interisland.net> Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 12:10:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: johann@tamu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 21:10:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4274177961585427447 Sounds like something epoxy will fix. Just take the screws out and dip them in epoxy and fasten again. There are of course special glues intended for this purpose, but for this list epoxy is the best solution - as ducttape will probably not work.. J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: "1" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 11:46 AM Subject: [OM] Scary moment > > This morning while taking some photos with the 135/4.5 mounted on my > E510 on tripod. I suddenly found myself holding the lens and extension > tube in my hand. The three screws that hold the adapter together came > loose and the lens just fell off. Beware! Luckily I was focusing at the > time and caught the lens before it hit the deck. These tiny screws > extend an extremely short distance into the soft aluminum so it will > take very little stress to strip them out. I'll have to rethink mounting > the 300/2.8 via these adapters from jinfinance. Perhaps I can drill and > tap for larger diameter and longer screws. In the meantime I reassembled > the adapter and the threads seemed to bite but a little too much torque > will easily break them loose. Definitely do not stress this joint. Check > those screws folks. > > I also wonder if all adapters are created equal. Maybe some of you could > pull a screw and take a look at the size. I'd like to know if other > manufacturers make a more sturdy product. FWIW these screws mic @ 1.3mm > diameter x 2.4mm length > > Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 21:29:09 2008 Received: (qmail 17351 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 19:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 19:29:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92767C3142; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:28:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:28:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C30CC2BB5 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:28:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24269 invoked by uid 502); 7 Sep 2008 19:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.182.64) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Sep 2008 19:28:55 -0000 Message-ID: <48C42B72.4040201@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:28:50 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment References: <48C42182.3050502@interisland.net> <32106C9B753D477BAC8338A1C6EC4669@microndesktop> In-Reply-To: <32106C9B753D477BAC8338A1C6EC4669@microndesktop> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 21:29:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c42b8562641744846740 Johann Thorsson wrote: > Sounds like something epoxy will fix. Just take the screws out and dip them > in epoxy and fasten again. There are of course special glues intended for > this purpose, but for this list epoxy is the best solution - as ducttape > will probably not work.. > I would use Loctite, just in case I ever wanted to take it apart for some as yet unknown reason. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 22:39:03 2008 Received: (qmail 8721 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 20:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 20:39:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E76C387B; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:38:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:38:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E3EC3920 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:38:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c49so605182wra.17 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:38:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Z5CETzo2RqDG668uxgtAuhkpBRss9/yq0NVfHe/LoSw=; b=QoG/KhMXbReB/iJa8BE0XN1v2/RdmCwvXKgGIrZ5gTe+C3oIuut6RCnt6btFY0Oztk dYUfRlDW5wFFI5NOIGPB0McsPbVu3nlDgKsNin2K9BfnRHZkmkaa9COTxpmbHnA9V4q0 5XUT0CM7PSYYmRrhGaIq72wAcKA3UVcO4/9cM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Ng+l57ssul+KOyrSlHNY0fMWMWi/lGXGa4Kh1RBd8xaKid861xDJ1zCw/y9OfIKGMD VGvw1SIK2dNO8jcTVh4J097VCsmPvWSNWMSC87dmLyMbvP5EiK5/ACX51rS29wIL4gUu RrhEOuY9HBxKyo/3n3U49h4jteYRcl6sn/VI8= Received: by 10.90.104.20 with SMTP id b20mr18066510agc.69.1220819929762; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.115.5 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:38:49 -0700 From: "Warren Kato" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film In-Reply-To: <001e01c91179$eb55bef0$8af06744@youra9279112e3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080907014031.0329bd90@mail.threshinc.com> <48C3E3B2.70602@m93.myzen.co.uk> <48C3E539.3090408@m93.myzen.co.uk> <001e01c91179$eb55bef0$8af06744@youra9279112e3> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wkkato@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 22:39:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c43be6236781234514069 Try the following. they claim to be the only place in the us to process scala. http://www.mainphoto.com/scala_processing_update.htm Warren On 9/7/08, Bill Pearce wrote: > > I've still got one roll in the frozen. And a mailer, which I believe is no > longer valid. I remember reading that the US processor isn't doing it (or > perhaps anything else) now. There is the dr1 folks that make any B&W film > into slides, though. > > The scala I used was remarkable, with reasonably fine grain and unbelivable > tonality. > > Bill Pearce > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 7 23:45:47 2008 Received: (qmail 30160 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 21:45:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 21:45:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF60C3783; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:45:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:45:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A70C279E for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:45:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080907214534.HWUC23768.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:45:34 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.138]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id BxlY1a00H2zrj1Q02xlZW8; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:45:33 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c911b1$2dbe2750$8af06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080907014031.0329bd90@mail.threshinc.com> <48C3E3B2.70602@m93.myzen.co.uk> <48C3E539.3090408@m93.myzen.co.uk> <001e01c91179$eb55bef0$8af06744@youra9279112e3> Subject: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:48:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 7 23:45:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c44b8b124829347015869 Warren, Sure, Color Lab Miami. That's where the mailer I have goes, or did. I had no compliants with their work. Although the film gives very seductive results, I can't think of a reason for it too exist. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 00:20:27 2008 Received: (qmail 27764 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 22:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 22:20:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2350C386F; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 00:20:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:20:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [204.127.217.103]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20601C32A2 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 00:20:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080907222013H030025mere>; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:20:13 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <421FD9900DA7474BAD2FA759F04495B3@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <48C42182.3050502@interisland.net> <32106C9B753D477BAC8338A1C6EC4669@microndesktop> <48C42B72.4040201@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:20:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 00:20:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c453ab274737350615338 Moose, I thought of that for my adapter, but, since I have not disassembled it to see the actual engagement of the set screws, I also considered using epoxy to join the two parts, with the set screws used only as final clamping devices. I suspect that the manufacturer makes the two parts separately in order to assemble a variety of combinations from its parts bins. In my case, I don't forsee any need to take them apart if they are joined permanently. Any comment on this approach? Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:28 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment > Johann Thorsson wrote: >> Sounds like something epoxy will fix. Just take the screws out and dip >> them >> in epoxy and fasten again. There are of course special glues intended >> for >> this purpose, but for this list epoxy is the best solution - as ducttape >> will probably not work.. >> > I would use Loctite, just in case I ever wanted to take it apart for > some as yet unknown reason. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 00:40:20 2008 Received: (qmail 10251 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 22:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 22:40:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB7DC2EC8; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 00:40:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:40:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5908BC2EC9 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 00:40:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1279458wfd.5 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:40:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=83QYMt5a6cmMkPxc2u5eAn5zbqLCxlPfK3LDK4xpgZo=; b=jqH0LMasyrFAcD8SAFZGqzTkdswCMhzE80FNRlfMG3oCVa14K/mTHU8m2BWymeyH1D FcxYlGTRQ9LQAnbDqXXxrdXzMPGeBFAKOPvYmFbPtgw9kOZFq75OafpowlseMuaS+Kru 0v+kJjxXa8RW73tw7EwfsWyYhf2kxliyMxnWc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=MDEKEggmL4jY/qRiPI3bfTOA3uputMQ0RJ1s8Jz8FI8VtdLEOp+Y1FzWv6HXJSM9r1 y6acyyDPZsIJBbcCGogcLlApzbr5+d7m2ZJ7Vpyq0DfJ7HuhCEs3m8t69nGPqSUX2HVv 1f32mPlcBDMJt0GgJdBwSjz7nUsYCqxkEjsU8= Received: by 10.142.107.5 with SMTP id f5mr4969283wfc.210.1220827207708; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.240.1 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:40:07 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment In-Reply-To: <48C42B72.4040201@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48C42182.3050502@interisland.net> <32106C9B753D477BAC8338A1C6EC4669@microndesktop> <48C42B72.4040201@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f22100eb778193cd X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 00:40:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4585482097350615338 Could you just "glue" the entire adaptor together with JB Weld? That would make the screws irrelevent. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 00:48:48 2008 Received: (qmail 13906 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 22:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 22:48:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877BCC31FE; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 00:48:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:48:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9957C304C for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 00:48:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080907224834H030028cqfe>; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:48:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <1E307F46A8544475A1ACD6D7E779DB2C@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <48C42182.3050502@interisland.net> <32106C9B753D477BAC8338A1C6EC4669@microndesktop> <48C42B72.4040201@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:48:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 00:48:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c45a50240891342116753 My thoughts exactly. The alignment of the two parts needs to be marked first, and the screws can maintain the alignment and position until the bond sets up. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment > > Could you just "glue" the entire adaptor together with JB Weld? That would > make the screws irrelevent. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 01:14:19 2008 Received: (qmail 4400 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 23:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 23:14:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534F2C30AC; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 01:14:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:14:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fed1rmmtao104.cox.net (fed1rmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.241.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7326EC2FFE for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 01:14:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080907231405.HKDK6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:14:05 -0400 Received: from microndesktop ([68.231.166.251]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id BzE61a0085RmP9w04zE6oK; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:14:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Johann Thorsson" To: References: <48C42182.3050502@interisland.net> <32106C9B753D477BAC8338A1C6EC4669@microndesktop> <48C42B72.4040201@gmail.com> <1E307F46A8544475A1ACD6D7E779DB2C@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:14:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: johann@tamu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 01:14:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4604b166901470116606 I am just curious, didn't you notice that they were loose? I am just wondering if I should glue my adapters just to be on the safe side. J ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 02:11:17 2008 Received: (qmail 27140 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 00:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 00:11:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9C9C30A8; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 02:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C52C2903 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 02:11:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.237]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m880B2DF015866 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:11:02 +1000 Message-Id: <200809080011.m880B2DF015866@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.236]) by webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:11:02 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:11:02 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 02:11:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c46da5117391073733319 > Martyn Smoothy wrote: > > Just got into using Scala a few months before it was discontinued... :-( > Really liked it, though not sure how much was to do with the novelty > value. > I could never really see the point in using it, less exposure latitude than negative film, specialised processing. What did it really have going for it ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 02:18:57 2008 Received: (qmail 16845 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 00:18:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 00:18:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D58BC34B8; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 02:18:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:18:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D24C3554 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 02:18:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.237]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m880Igat002427 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:18:42 +1000 Message-Id: <200809080018.m880Igat002427@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.236]) by webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:18:41 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:18:42 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 02:18:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c46f71266631993019900 > Johann Thorsson wrote: > > > Sounds like something epoxy will fix. Just take the screws out and dip > them > in epoxy and fasten again. There are of course special glues intended > for > this purpose, but for this list epoxy is the best solution - as ducttape > > will probably not work.. > It's probably worth putting some epoxy on the mating surfaces of the adapter too, 3 x 1mm screws doesn't offer a lot of strength even if they're held in the thread by epoxy. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 02:21:54 2008 Received: (qmail 31396 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 00:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 00:21:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BA6C2EDF; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 02:21:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:21:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D769C293E for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 02:21:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.238]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m880Ld63015993 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:21:40 +1000 Message-Id: <200809080021.m880Ld63015993@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.236]) by webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:21:39 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:21:39 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 02:21:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c47022122931035110158 > Moose wrote: > > > > I would use Loctite, just in case I ever wanted to take it apart for > some as yet unknown reason. > I presume they're made in 2 parts for economy, 4/3 adapter + whatever other adapter (OM, Nikon, Leica-R), just screw them together as required. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 02:50:04 2008 Received: (qmail 17268 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 00:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 00:50:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D44C337D; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 02:49:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:49:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E50AC3358 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 02:49:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.123]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m880nnrs004823 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:49:49 +1000 Message-Id: <200809080049.m880nnrs004823@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:49:49 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:49:49 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 02:50:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c476bc87641234514069 > Jim Nichols wrote: > > > Any comment on this approach? > Just don't use toooo much epoxy ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 02:50:20 2008 Received: (qmail 9928 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 00:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 00:50:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577ECC3552; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 02:50:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:50:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64FEC34BC for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 02:50:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31078 invoked by uid 502); 8 Sep 2008 00:50:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.207.178) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Sep 2008 00:50:07 -0000 Message-ID: <48C476BD.60005@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:50:05 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment References: <48C42182.3050502@interisland.net> <32106C9B753D477BAC8338A1C6EC4669@microndesktop> <48C42B72.4040201@gmail.com> <421FD9900DA7474BAD2FA759F04495B3@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <421FD9900DA7474BAD2FA759F04495B3@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 02:50:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c476cc4814673671140 Jim Nichols wrote: > Moose, > > I thought of that for my adapter, but, since I have not disassembled it to see the actual engagement of the set screws, I also considered using epoxy to join the two parts, with the set screws used only as final clamping devices. ..., I don't forsee any need to take them apart if they are joined > permanently. > > Any comment on this approach? > I said I would use Loctite, not that you should. I futz with things, finding bits and pieces to do whatever crosses my mind. So I hesitate to permanently stick things together. They way I figure it works is: A. If I epoxy two parts together, it won't be too long before one of those parts would have been the perfect thing for a project. B. If I don't epoxy them together, I'll never need either part separately. Choice B is less hassle. Hence Loctite. If I really thought the adapter was too weak even with the screws properly secured, I'd consider epoxy. OM to EOS adapters are one piece, so I have no worries for now and the JBWeld stays in the drawer. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 02:58:03 2008 Received: (qmail 13500 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 00:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 00:58:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DC5C310B; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 02:57:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:57:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C5AC2C21 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 02:57:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.86]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m880vnVY023984 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:57:49 +1000 Message-Id: <200809080057.m880vnVY023984@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.236]) by webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:57:49 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:57:49 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 02:58:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4789b221551823421471 > Moose wrote: > > > A. If I epoxy two parts together, it won't be too long before one of > those parts would have been the perfect thing for a project. > While epoxy can be fairly permanent the bond can be broken with a moderate (?) amount of heat. It all depends on how much you want to "stuff around". With the current low price of 4/3 adapters, I doubt if I'd be bothered trying to separate the epoxied parts. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 04:01:55 2008 Received: (qmail 16732 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 02:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 02:01:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64AF1C308E; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 04:01:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:01:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD8FC33A0 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 04:01:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE39431408B for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABAF314089 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C48786.8030702@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:01:42 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080907-0, 09/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 04:01:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c48793140731342116753 > > I would use Loctite, just in case I ever wanted to take it apart for > some as yet unknown reason. > > Moose In this case Moose it's a design failure not a loose screw. There isn't enough surface area for the threads to grab plus the fact that the aluminum easily fails, has failed. Therefore I wouldn't recommend Loctite for this application. In most cases though that's what I grab first. I think I'll clean thoroughly with acetone and go for a light application of low viscosity epoxy. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 04:17:34 2008 Received: (qmail 17538 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 02:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 02:17:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5890C35CB; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 04:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2F7C312E for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 04:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FBF31408B for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE1F314089 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C48B32.9080201@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:17:22 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] old buildings Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080907-0, 09/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 04:17:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c48b3e297751257536491 I put together a few photos from our travels. Some you may have already seen. Please critique both the photos and the presentation which I'm still working on.. slides: Mike (Yeah, I see the spelling error) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 04:27:42 2008 Received: (qmail 1270 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 02:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 02:27:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E80C297E; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 04:27:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:27:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EE80C27F9 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 04:27:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 67135 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2008 02:27:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ispcoxZJKgjEe4HPCZgzuyw0/KtA9cJGUhZySIEXJ+LnaKVtweTsiaPOFWgvxoPideQvCmrznSds56OpbBKhMgtcsmBZUgUzSPqSMXUSG0eBlk1awHos9mDdK+w0t1u6Xcwp0QVEFFtdN4CUoSwTBQMZ5PGzcWsbqKaU3W5Fan0=; X-YMail-OSG: x3nKpEsVM1mGj8DQd.vOX62CNYgs0pPMXv954hs7fILrxUf2SMzK3DMrbNnEuUWPanVi9nkZlGQ.y0zCEqiq0ilLawlHE1ix.FdTyxsyJjpXozKgerNFYCSOd.7AnPncxmAgrDv0uzRDD1t4RupwUKe8 Received: from [71.126.11.140] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:27:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:27:29 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: old buildings To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48C48B32.9080201@interisland.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <695402.66647.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 04:27:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c48d9e167751993019900 Nice! Love classic architecture and barns! --- On Sun, 9/7/08, Mike wrote: > From: Mike > Subject: [OM] old buildings > To: "1" > Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 10:17 PM > I put together a few photos from our travels. Some you may > have already > seen. Please critique both the photos and the presentation > which I'm > still working on.. > > slides: > > > Mike > (Yeah, I see the spelling error) > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 05:12:18 2008 Received: (qmail 20903 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 03:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 03:12:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC627C2D79; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 05:12:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:12:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A92C3004 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 05:12:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D7410E9FE4 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:12:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F1YUBFNlGOz1 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8A910E9FD5 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <12DFFFC2-08BA-4779-AF24-453F9433607F@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080908013300.0675AC30C5@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Tree felling debris Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:12:03 -0700 References: <20080908013300.0675AC30C5@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 05:12:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c49812266551234514069 > From: Mike > >> Two person crew: $60/hour..... > Very reasonable price too. Half-price for travel time. I need to visit my family. Anyone in the midwest wanna pay me and Carol and our tractor $30/hr to come and do some chipping for them? :-) :::: The epoch of the fossil fuels can only be a transitory and ephemeral event... which has exercised the most drastic influence experienced by the human species during its entire biological history. -- M. King Hubbert :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 05:26:23 2008 Received: (qmail 22147 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 03:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 03:26:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6C7C379F; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 05:26:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:26:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765C2C2E9E for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 05:26:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [71.105.141.243]) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E9AD059E for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48C49B54.3010801@jevb.tuffmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:26:12 -0700 From: "J. Van Brimmer" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: old buildings References: <48C48B32.9080201@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48C48B32.9080201@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 05:26:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c49b5f95069347015869 Mike wrote: > I put together a few photos from our travels. Some you may have already > seen. Please critique both the photos and the presentation which I'm > still working on.. > > slides: > > > Mike > (Yeah, I see the spelling error) > What spelling error? ;-) Very nice, Mike! I've been wanting to do something similar here where I live, in the southern Mojove Desert of California. There's lots of old building around here out in the desert. I think you just may have inspired me to "just do it". Jerry ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 06:10:27 2008 Received: (qmail 5882 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 04:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 04:10:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EA9C287F; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 06:10:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:10:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.threshinc.com (mail.threshinc.com [209.189.206.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14EE2C2E45 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 06:10:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from figaro.threshinc.com (unknown [209.189.223.38]) by mail.threshinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4B51E39C707 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20080907210957.026709e0@mail.threshinc.com> X-Sender: pklein@threshinc.com@mail.threshinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:10:13 -0700 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Peter Klein Subject: [OM] IMG: Chinese Crested Chin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pklein@threshinc.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 06:10:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4a5b3143181702588592 I'd never met one of these dogs in person before. Cute little guy. No hair on the body, only on the head, feet and tail. His owner told me that he likes to pull blankets over himself, and sleeps in their bed. E-510, 100/2.8 OM Zuiko (200mm equivalent) My verdict on the manual focus lenses on this camera is that they are fun to play with, but very frustrating to try to do anything "real" with. Focusing on the stock viewfinder screen with the rather minified view is hit and miss. The manual lenses do work very nicely for static subjects, especially with magnified Live View. Assuming you can hold steady enough to focus, or are using a tripod, and that light isn't shining onto the LCD. At any rate, a used 40-150 digital Zuiko lens is on order--the older, faster, heavier one that is supposedly sharper. --Peter ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 06:44:41 2008 Received: (qmail 32643 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 04:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 04:44:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998C4C32DE; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 06:44:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:44:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DD9C363F for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 06:44:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BvUj1a00M0xGWP8524kT0e; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:44:27 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([24.20.172.214]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id C4kT1a0084du4sg3Y4kTgY; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:44:27 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HMfaunn7AAAA:8 a=lZQXaGZFx-r8UUjC0fYA:9 a=LqkKBZOUYIGa6Vin3poUUsWShu4A:4 a=QcA7-qHrZH4A:10 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: References: <48C48B32.9080201@interisland.net> <48C49B54.3010801@jevb.tuffmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48C49B54.3010801@jevb.tuffmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: old buildings Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:44:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pelaughlin@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 06:44:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4adb9275397927319144 I, very definitely remember the one labeled "Along the road between Wasco and Condon". For a number of years there was an old barn near it that had guy cables holding it up. I used to live in Fossil and traveled past that old house quite often. In fact, I blew the engine in my pickup right in front of it, one time. LOL Great pictures. There used to be another old house off the North side of the road near there. Kind of back toward a canyon. I used to think it would make an interesting picture, but never did any thing about it. Bummer. Too many times in my life, I have just goofed off when I should have acted. Been quite a ride, though. Paul in Portland Or > Mike wrote: >> I put together a few photos from our travels. Some you may have already >> seen. Please critique both the photos and the presentation which I'm >> still working on.. >> >> slides: >> >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 07:10:32 2008 Received: (qmail 10917 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 05:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 05:10:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73B5C3406; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:10:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:10:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628F5C3451 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:10:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [71.105.141.243]) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D58D05A1 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 01:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48C4B3BD.7000608@jevb.tuffmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:10:21 -0700 From: "J. Van Brimmer" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: old buildings References: <48C48B32.9080201@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48C48B32.9080201@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 07:10:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4b3c8113721499373980 Mike wrote: > I put together a few photos from our travels. Some you may have already > seen. Please critique both the photos and the presentation which I'm > still working on.. > > slides: > > > Mike > (Yeah, I see the spelling error) > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > Mike, Would you mind sharing the details of the equipment used for these nice photos? Camera(s), lens(es), film(?). Thanks, Jerry ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 08:01:41 2008 Received: (qmail 26288 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 06:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 06:01:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB7DC38C8; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:01:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:01:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A1CC3AB0 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:00:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 203.red-79-146-143.staticip.rima-tde.net ([79.146.143.203]:55530 helo=[192.168.2.104]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KcZnK-0006Hc-14 (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:00:14 +0000 Message-Id: <9D93F9CE-BFAA-4850-BA73-DCB469A41B53@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, Picture a Day discussion group Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 36: cats, swans, veg etc. Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:00:11 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 08:01:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4bfc568771234514069 A somewhat miscellaneous collection this week, containing many of the elements that make life in Alicante pleasant: http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=157 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 08:30:07 2008 Received: (qmail 20746 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 06:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 06:30:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B830EC305B; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:29:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:29:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32029C2B7B for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:29:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17560 invoked by uid 502); 8 Sep 2008 06:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.183.235) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Sep 2008 06:29:52 -0000 Message-ID: <48C4C65C.10703@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:29:48 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: old buildings References: <48C48B32.9080201@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48C48B32.9080201@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 08:30:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4c66f175682336821329 Mike wrote: > I put together a few photos from our travels. Some you may have already seen. Please critique both the photos and the presentation which I'm still working on.. > > slides: > > I haven't finished really looking at the images, but have a couple of comments & suggestions about the presentation for your consideration. - I like the Chameleon skin for JAlbum. - The white border is too wide and/or too bright for my taste. I use a very thin, one pixel wide border that defines the image space without pulling the eye's attention. A medium gray would work better for me at the width you have used. - I don't like the single vertical column of thumbnails on the index page. Way too slow a way to browse around or go back to a particular image. Looking in the settings, I'm not even sure how to make it do that. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 09:14:04 2008 Received: (qmail 13998 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 07:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 07:14:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C4CC3BB4; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:13:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:13:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.142]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C042DC3B62 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:13:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Kcawa-0002KJ-B6 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:13:52 +0000 Message-ID: <48C4D0AF.6080507@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:13:51 +0100 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film References: <200809080011.m880B2DF015866@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200809080011.m880B2DF015866@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [217.155.39.109] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@m93.myzen.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 09:14:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4d0bc25081499373980 Well, if you put it that way... I did mention novelty value. The slides do look good on a light box or projected but I can't think of any compelling reason to use it. These days I mess about using various combinations of B&W film/developers for much the same reason. Might even get round to developing positives from negative film one day - believe it's possible but never actually done it..... Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Martyn Smoothy wrote: >> >> Just got into using Scala a few months before it was discontinued... :-( >> Really liked it, though not sure how much was to do with the novelty >> value. >> >> > > I could never really see the point in using it, less exposure latitude than negative film, specialised processing. What did it really have going for it ? > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 10:53:08 2008 Received: (qmail 30446 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 08:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 08:53:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561D2C336E; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:52:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:52:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD237C31AF for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:52:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1453365wfd.5 for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:52:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=p/1ctT/yLEF045NuanhGDLSjcBDAx215D6tim94pESg=; b=fwp1Ret2aAR/jmW7C6NpXs0DkteWK1wm7S/DVvMTd4huo9MsnSBOjfDpXdB7PMc0eA FJo7lKZP2Vjl/qryYjVa/cdAm9lG1jK8+60zemAZYFgE3Rb99dkhc1oils4fC3wMUwXK 3BjpnTHMC9Tl2g2b6rejl6YMsmM8PeE21bBW4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JpuzIlvQpS0dxB5m/MYk64IbqOU8WTWD8v3RZfaY6c8UNlUd0JFyAAZHq+JbRK8wqR tPU5mAq6FgmfMkmXhx59IhZt3UjadjLu1JxDc53kys+K+QnJ7SoRScIQCYzNJLNSMugy 2vmyHfI28I3JnfsYtns5Ucz+WXiEtFdvHVv1A= Received: by 10.142.44.11 with SMTP id r11mr5138843wfr.285.1220863976549; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.33.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm5327083wfc.6.2008.09.08.01.52.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C4E7E1.2090801@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:52:49 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 36: cats, swans, veg etc. References: <9D93F9CE-BFAA-4850-BA73-DCB469A41B53@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <9D93F9CE-BFAA-4850-BA73-DCB469A41B53@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 10:53:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4e7f4225751257536491 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > A somewhat miscellaneous collection this week, containing many of the > elements that make life in Alicante pleasant: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=157 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Alternate 1 is definitely the pick for me. I love the curve on that swan's neck, especially as it bends around the background elements. The swan gives the exact impression as your lead-in comment suggest - he's going, "OY! What you lookin' at?!" Them swans can be nasty buggers, hey? ;) Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 11:13:11 2008 Received: (qmail 1835 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 09:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 09:13:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B34AC2D25; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:13:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:13:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CDFC344B for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:12:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (pool-71-110-204-11.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.110.204.11]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.8.5-GA) with ESMTP id CDB94732 (AUTH siddiq@ucr.edu) for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 02:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <33E57C83-4CFB-4CD7-8739-C9AFC1F835A4@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9D93F9CE-BFAA-4850-BA73-DCB469A41B53@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 36: cats, swans, veg etc. Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 02:12:48 -0700 References: <9D93F9CE-BFAA-4850-BA73-DCB469A41B53@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: siddiq@ucr.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 11:13:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4eca771881585427447 On Sep 7, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > A somewhat miscellaneous collection this week, containing many of the > elements that make life in Alicante pleasant: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=157 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan Agreed; the vegemongers are much better looking. no wonder they're represented thrice as often... ;) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 11:22:28 2008 Received: (qmail 32324 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 09:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 09:22:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99CBC28E0; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:22:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:22:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAC0C2BF0 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:22:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31993 invoked by uid 518); 8 Sep 2008 09:22:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20080908092214.31992.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: old buildings Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:22:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.141.129.42 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 11:22:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4eed4269431234514069 K-15a is the winner Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Mike > Subject: [OM] old buildings > Sent: Sep 08 '08 02:17 > > > I put together a few photos from our travels. Some you may have already > seen. Please critique both the photos and the presentation which I'm > still working on.. > > slides: > > > Mike > (Yeah, I see the spelling error) > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 11:35:35 2008 Received: (qmail 4501 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 09:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 09:35:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC52C3F1C; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:35:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:35:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0806CC3ECD for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:35:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kcd9P-0002Zp-MI for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:35:15 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080907014031.0329bd90@mail.threshinc.com> Subject: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:35:09 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01c91196$302a60a0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckQ7bgsctyG2XO/Q+CwPb0nuKKtVgApVIiQ X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080907-0, 07/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8184/Sun Sep 7 21:53:22 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 11:35:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4f1e725801585427447 Can't help with the Canadian address, John, but those in Europe might try: ARKA Laboratoire, 52 rue Notre-Dame des Champs, 75006 Paris Tel +33 (0)1 43 25 79 72 Fax +33 (0)1 43 25 20 69 www.arkalab.com or Bildmanufaktur Mnchen GmbH, Gabelsbergerstrae 75, 80333 Mnchen Tel +49 (0)89 54 21 33 0 Fax +49 (0)89 54 21 33 22 www.mayer-lab.de The former UK facility at Joe's Basement went out of business a few years back, and the successor Primary Colour no longer advertises any Scala service. Process C22 http://www.processc22.co.uk/ in UK does claim to process Scala, but it is not clear to me what process they use, and their turnaround time depends on having a large enough batch to work on (perhaps 2-3 times per year) but their webiste lists all manner of old films they can handle, which will bring back happy (or less than happy) memories. Gevaert? Perutz? Ansco? Dufay? -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hudson Sent: 07 September 2008 14:30 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film Does anyone use AGFA Scala 200 ISO black and white slide film? If so might there be any images to view? I have found two complete 36 exposure rolls in my deep freezer and might be be out experimenting sometime very soon. Does anyone have the address of the Canadian processing station? John Hudson ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 11:40:44 2008 Received: (qmail 6063 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 09:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 09:40:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D395C2ED0; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:40:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:40:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A352C2EAF for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:40:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9359 invoked by uid 518); 8 Sep 2008 09:40:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20080908094012.9358.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 36: cats, swans, veg etc. Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:40:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.141.129.42 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 11:40:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4f31c75842336821329 Me too. I was going to beg off on commenting while traveling with my Krappy Kolor laptop but I only need to see the composition here. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: montsnmags@gmail.com > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 36: cats, swans, veg etc. > Sent: Sep 08 '08 08:52 > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > A somewhat miscellaneous collection this week, containing many of the   > > elements that make life in Alicante pleasant: > > > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=157 > > > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Alternate 1 is definitely the pick for me. I love the curve on that > swan's neck, especially as it bends around the background elements. The > swan gives the exact impression as your lead-in comment suggest - he's > going, "OY! What you lookin' at?!" > > Them swans can be nasty buggers, hey? ;) > > Cheers, > Marc > Noosa Heads, Oz > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 11:50:06 2008 Received: (qmail 25428 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 09:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 09:50:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE07FC2F12; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:49:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:49:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE19C2A8B for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:49:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KcdNZ-0005v7-Us for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:49:54 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <200809080018.m880Igat002427@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:49:48 +0100 Message-ID: <001c01c91198$3ba6ad10$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <200809080018.m880Igat002427@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckRSHtB8OpzQ7SaTxub+sfzFz9H1QATw17g X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080907-0, 07/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8184/Sun Sep 7 21:53:22 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 11:50:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4f54e201111257536491 I disagree here, since it does not take much to alter the lens register - any epoxy between the mating surfaces of the adaptor parts will increase the lens register, and tend to reduce the furthest point to which the lens will focus. Of course, that assumes the adaptor permits the lens to focus at infinity but not beyond - which was not the case with at least one Chinese adaptor I have. This made use of an OM mount 8mm lens very tricky, so I put some shims between the mating surfaces of the adaptor. Problem solved. Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Wayne Harridge Sent: 08 September 2008 01:19 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment > Johann Thorsson wrote: > > > Sounds like something epoxy will fix. Just take the screws out and dip > them in epoxy and fasten again. --snip It's probably worth putting some epoxy on the mating surfaces of the adapter too, 3 x 1mm screws doesn't offer a lot of strength even if they're held in the thread by epoxy. ...Wayne --snip ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 12:21:34 2008 Received: (qmail 22469 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 10:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 10:21:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D49CC2F49; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:21:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:21:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9588C306F for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:21:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip11.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.91]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20080908102121.ZEPX1779.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip11.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 06:21:21 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtEHALiVxEhMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIgW6yUV+BBw Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 08 Sep 2008 06:28:53 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:21:20 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film Thread-Index: AckRnKLC4SaxtH2PEd2VRQAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 12:21:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4fcae21271257536491 There was only one, Toronto Image Works, but they discontinued the service in September 2006. On 9/7/08 9:29 AM, "John Hudson" wrote: > Does anyone have the address of the Canadian processing station? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 12:24:56 2008 Received: (qmail 6922 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 10:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 10:24:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D604DC3BDE; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:24:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:24:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D1DC3A25 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:24:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30915 invoked by uid 518); 8 Sep 2008 10:24:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20080908102443.30914.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:24:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.141.129.42 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 12:24:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c4fd7723111993019900 I should think a couple drops of watery viscosity super glue would have negligible effect on thickness and be more secure than epoxy. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Piers Hemy > Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment > Sent: Sep 08 '08 09:49 > > > I disagree here, since it does not take much to alter the lens register - > any epoxy between the mating surfaces of the adaptor parts will increase the > lens register, and tend to reduce the furthest point to which the lens will > focus.  Of course, that assumes the adaptor permits the lens to focus at > infinity but not beyond - which was not the case with at least one Chinese > adaptor I have. This made use of an OM mount 8mm lens very tricky, so I put > some shims between the mating surfaces of the adaptor.  Problem solved. > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Wayne Harridge > Sent: 08 September 2008 01:19 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment > > > Johann Thorsson wrote: > > > > > > Sounds like something epoxy will fix. Just take the screws out and dip > > them in epoxy and fasten again.   > > --snip   > > It's probably worth putting some epoxy on the mating surfaces of the adapter > too, 3 x 1mm screws doesn't offer a lot of strength even if they're held in > the thread by epoxy. > > ...Wayne > > --snip   > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 14:11:46 2008 Received: (qmail 4626 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 12:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 12:11:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1054C36C3; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:11:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:11:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A7AC3A30 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:11:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-162-92.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.162.92]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m88CB6Wq013725 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:11:28 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:11:02 +1000 Message-ID: <001601c911ab$fa3e0c60$0401010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <20080908102443.30914.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AckRnSSyKbLWUWhfRRWFbc/GumCwfwADkQYg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 14:11:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c51682175374673671140 > > I should think a couple drops of watery viscosity super glue > would have negligible effect on thickness and be more secure > than epoxy. > With most glues the smaller the amount the stronger the joint. I don't really know how super glue compares with epoxy for strength. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 14:19:38 2008 Received: (qmail 17765 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 12:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 12:19:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C70C2821; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:19:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:19:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from postbode02.versateladsl.be (postbode02.versateladsl.be [212.53.5.92]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062A3C2E60 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:19:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5840 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 12:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tour) ([83.186.115.226]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.versateladsl.be (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 8 Sep 2008 12:19:20 -0000 From: "Stephan Van den Zegel" To: References: <200809080011.m880B2DF015866@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <48C4D0AF.6080507@m93.myzen.co.uk> Subject: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:19:26 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <48C4D0AF.6080507@m93.myzen.co.uk> thread-index: AckRgnmVMnV30FM0RkqW+OnUIVE8KwAKpVEg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: stephan@vandenzegel.be Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 14:19:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c5185a85982046811720 One good reason... it's very efficient when scanned... -----Message d'origine----- De: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] De la part de Martyn Smoothy Envoy: lundi 8 septembre 2008 9:14 : olympus@ml.free.fr Objet: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film Well, if you put it that way... I did mention novelty value. The slides do look good on a light box or projected but I can't think of any compelling reason to use it. These days I mess about using various combinations of B&W film/developers for much the same reason. Might even get round to developing positives from negative film one day - believe it's possible but never actually done it..... Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Martyn Smoothy wrote: >> >> Just got into using Scala a few months before it was discontinued... :-( >> Really liked it, though not sure how much was to do with the novelty >> value. >> >> > > I could never really see the point in using it, less exposure latitude than negative film, specialised processing. What did it really have going for it ? > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 14:40:34 2008 Received: (qmail 10897 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 12:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 12:40:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67F4C39F4; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:40:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:40:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mailscan2.sslisp.com (outmail.sslisp.com [65.61.49.74]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84599C3BE6 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:40:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [4.154.204.58]) by mailscan2.sslisp.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.4.568.66) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 05:40:20 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 4.154.204.58=OK;rlovison@gmail.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 4.154.204.58=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 4.154.204.58=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: <48C51D2F.7050209@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:40:15 -0400 From: Richard Lovison User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] question on how to charge for a photo shoot Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080907-0, 09/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rlovison@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 14:40:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c51d42225461470116606 Hello all, I've been away for a while though I was lurking. :) I was asked to do an architectural shoot for the school where my wife works. There was major renovation done to one of the main buildings and they wanted a couple of images to make several award plaques for those that contributed to the renovation. The contractor was backed against the wall as he ran right up to the time the students returned so I was forced to shoot with some construction equipment and debris in the pictures. This was taken care of in PS. So what I intended to do was charge one rate for my time to do the shoot, another rate for PS editing and then a price for each 8x10 created. I used my wife's laptop and LR to make the initial presentation of the images taken. They liked the photos so much that after choosing two for the award plaque they also chose a couple to be used in their bulletin publication and requested a cdrom with the two tiffs. Here's my questions: Do I charge them a usage fee for each photo for the bulletin on top of what I charged for the shoot and editing? Or is it standard practice that I charge a usage fee for whatever they want (in this case, four images) and skip the shoot and editing fees? Richard -- Richard Lovison Photography http://www.richardlovison.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 14:40:50 2008 Received: (qmail 24402 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 12:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 12:40:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E899C283D; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:40:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:40:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13ADDC2CD0 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:40:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-162-92.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.162.92]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m88CeJoV018589 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:40:36 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:40:15 +1000 Message-ID: <001701c911b0$0f728710$0401010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AckRgnmVMnV30FM0RkqW+OnUIVE8KwAKpVEgAACvfLA= X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 14:40:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c51d52166121591313764 > > One good reason... it's very efficient when scanned... > I'm not really sure what you mean. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 14:52:20 2008 Received: (qmail 5502 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 12:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 12:52:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E5BC2FAD; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:52:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:52:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from postbode01.versateladsl.be (postbode01.versateladsl.be [212.53.5.91]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4337C2796 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:52:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21230 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 12:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tour) ([83.186.115.226]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.versateladsl.be (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 8 Sep 2008 12:51:47 -0000 From: "Stephan Van den Zegel" To: References: <001701c911b0$0f728710$0401010a@meo.dec.com> Subject: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:52:09 +0200 Message-ID: <9E297CF137464DCF9D060B8FB7CD89A1@tour> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <001701c911b0$0f728710$0401010a@meo.dec.com> thread-index: AckRgnmVMnV30FM0RkqW+OnUIVE8KwAKpVEgAACvfLAAAG5YIA== X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: stephan@vandenzegel.be Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 14:52:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c52004209031993019900 It's a very good film to be scanned in a film scanner... (easy to handle, clean results...) easier than any BW negative... (I use a Nikon coolscan) -----Message d'origine----- De: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] De la part de Wayne Harridge Envoy: lundi 8 septembre 2008 14:40 : olympus@ml.free.fr Objet: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film > > One good reason... it's very efficient when scanned... > I'm not really sure what you mean. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 15:07:58 2008 Received: (qmail 30310 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 13:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 13:07:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628FCC3AF6; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:07:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:07:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B05C39EA for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:07:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19839 invoked by uid 518); 8 Sep 2008 13:01:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20080908130102.19838.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:01:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.141.129.42 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 15:07:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c523ae318538512572685 The original "super glue" (Kodak 914??) has the consistency of a liquid like alcohol. It depends on molecular adhesion and cannot be used to fill gaps like epoxy. There are now super glues with the consistency of an epoxy and I don't think these are as strong. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Wayne Harridge > Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment(K > Sent: Sep 08 '08 12:11 > > > > > > I should think a couple drops of watery viscosity super glue > > would have negligible effect on thickness and be more secure > > than epoxy. > > > > With most glues the smaller the amount the stronger the joint.  I don't > really know how super glue compares with epoxy for strength. > > ...Wayne > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 15:10:47 2008 Received: (qmail 23007 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 13:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 13:10:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5CFC28DC; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:10:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:10:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00787C27FA for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:10:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25951 invoked by uid 518); 8 Sep 2008 13:10:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20080908131034.25950.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: question on how to charge for a photo shoot Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:10:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.141.129.42 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 15:10:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c52457289418512572685 I suggest you buy a copy of this book Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Richard Lovison > Subject: [OM] question on how to charge for a photo shoot > Sent: Sep 08 '08 12:40 > > > Hello all, > > I've been away for a while though I was lurking. :) > > I was asked to do an architectural shoot for the school where my wife > works. There was major renovation done to one of the main buildings and > they wanted a couple of images to make several award plaques for those > that contributed to the renovation. The contractor was backed against > the wall as he ran right up to the time the students returned so I was > forced to shoot with some construction equipment and debris in the > pictures. This was taken care of in PS. > > So what I intended to do was charge one rate for my time to do the > shoot, another rate for PS editing and then a price for each 8x10 > created. I used my wife's laptop and LR to make the initial presentation > of the images taken. > > They liked the photos so much that after choosing two for the award > plaque they also chose a couple to be used in their bulletin publication > and requested a cdrom with the two tiffs. Here's my questions: Do I > charge them a usage fee for each photo for the bulletin on top of what I > charged for the shoot and editing? Or is it standard practice that I > charge a usage fee for whatever they want (in this case, four images) > and skip the shoot and editing fees? > > Richard > -- > Richard Lovison Photography > http://www.richardlovison.com > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 15:18:13 2008 Received: (qmail 28620 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 13:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 13:18:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1DDC2B56; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:18:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:18:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48F7C2985 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:18:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-21-18.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.21.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m88DHob4007036 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:17:51 -0300 Message-ID: <48C525FD.60504@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:17:49 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: old buildings References: <48C48B32.9080201@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48C48B32.9080201@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080907-0, 07/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 15:18:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c52615209251234514069 I like the project altogether - the idea of old buildings. Some photographs are nicer for me than others; wood structures and understanding of architecture are as present as a good eye for landscapes. Some of them could have been done here. Perhaps Moose is right about the white frame, but 1 pixel is too thin. I do like the slideshow - still have in mind what was discussed here on making such a thing on a DVD. Fernando. Mike wrote: > I put together a few photos from our travels. Some you may have already > seen. Please critique both the photos and the presentation which I'm > still working on.. > > slides: > > > Mike > (Yeah, I see the spelling error) > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 15:29:49 2008 Received: (qmail 22775 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 13:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 13:29:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB98C2B80; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:29:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:29:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EF7C2AD9 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.84]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m88DT2Ui020652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:29:03 -0500 Received: from hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon03.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.37]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02A.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m88DT2nI028969 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:29:02 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:29:02 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Test Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:29:01 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Test Thread-Index: AckRttw1Fq1jQF7JRFS+pFyu/XJc+w== From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2008 13:29:02.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBBF30B0:01C911B6] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0809080075 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 15:29:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c528cd154831073733319 Tap,tap,tap...is this thing on? Charlie ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 15:35:08 2008 Received: (qmail 15321 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 13:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 13:35:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB83C363B; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:34:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:34:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D795CC3089 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:34:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 7DB5D794KC for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 06:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 8 Sep 2008 06:34:50 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Test Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 06:34:49 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Test Thread-Index: AckRttw1Fq1jQF7JRFS+pFyu/XJc+wAAK71g From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2008 13:34:50.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB1A3A80:01C911B7] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 15:35:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c52a0c242083675314703 Charlie asked; " Tap,tap,tap...is this thing on?" Do not attempt to adjust your set. We control the vertical, we control the horizontal..... This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 15:54:08 2008 Received: (qmail 17081 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 13:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 13:54:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A698DC4403; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:53:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:53:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mailscan2.sslisp.com (outmail.sslisp.com [65.61.49.74]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD7DC433A for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:53:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [4.154.207.183]) by mailscan2.sslisp.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.4.568.66) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 06:53:19 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 4.154.207.183=OK;rlovison@gmail.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 4.154.207.183=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 4.154.207.183=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: <48C52E4B.1000701@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:53:15 -0400 From: Richard Lovison User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: question on how to charge for a photo shoot References: <20080908131034.25950.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> In-Reply-To: <20080908131034.25950.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080907-0, 09/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rlovison@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 15:54:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c52e80269762336821329 chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > I suggest you buy a copy of this book > Chuck, Thanks for the recommendation. I took a look at Amazon and the first reviewer indicated the book's primary focus was on pricing for stock photography, not for pricing photo assignments. Was he correct in his assessment? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 16:11:42 2008 Received: (qmail 27304 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 14:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 14:11:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C4CC3122; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:11:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:11:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7AAC343B for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:11:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c49so907424wra.17 for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:11:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=BpuJV4G00dOiGhZJbDFz87zf86yQLuaVcTZjdOpmDW8=; b=Q5fHZ4SOzBcxmRIDyQIreYmHwkQ8RFv6EcraglpNXrIMJNrKNNVUlQUg6YrU60a0KM +5jNZu7jnaCyF+/5prMeT5DWFgjY18VlV1sxJytaxapBDKl4cPwWCS23hbEIAXhXnYgc 2Xwl+2pV3H/P/yKgNsmKSw+9FL9rcWdDFmkG0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=HukhyCdyxcVu19PZrMCeBJfcqaLawBDjqcEqTqYPvaqyseRM4a1fqnlpyiLI0zFPP5 CdanbxA8A+d4TgVyC1ksFrYZKFFg0QBc5qBQXBVaV1t741wiLfQzCx/8pr6yTj+JtvyB DDUbytRFC1RQOMxkHA/SZrVozIuO9jRuVGq+0= Received: by 10.90.98.12 with SMTP id v12mr3135480agb.23.1220883089470; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:11:29 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Test In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6ed1e8cce5b740b1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 16:11:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c5329e212271823421471 I'm about to suggest another option. I know that the "listserve" methodology has worked well for us through the years, but over the past year, it has gotten increasingly sluggish. It has degraded to the point where it is getting hard to have a functioning list. Honestly, I cannot, for the life of me, understand why email is so unreliable in this world. AG http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 16:29:36 2008 Received: (qmail 13732 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 14:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 14:29:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999C7C3E78; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:29:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:29:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11419C3C3B for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:29:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so8598083gxk.17 for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:29:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=nGHlOFjxyO5yiYdpgi7r2G+R+eS18Y9dAeN7yUNTiYE=; b=bTzwY0VkrjJhOoTZPf1WbRC0F3TFfHfilnqi9Kh/xX7dRbFgopq5IXLg3QxKS4CoOG Lu/ysDouW1Dj8ilIlk38Qgqg5iK4NGTmg+j99dvTshuS2bQB6tj17+6c8Qp7Brwu9NST JG59xJzpuEFywl9koeHbhMvcQdCe1FDseVWQc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=tIy6q0WGlPT/0VLa7m0cg2a0t4z3wtQp7Uu8AcQU3/FXybKmbUuVTyqDihmtBIbq4I IKPvcOAyix7POQ6APi6NbQyC98ZuUJCrR5FpEKxEWwwtKarUbE6w/pMsEhA4PoLwfM4x M7xX2qbXqr3QsRyBavqX53KuhH9xxvSDlRYmQ= Received: by 10.115.46.10 with SMTP id y10mr12405345waj.137.1220884163843; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.107.3 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840809080729i4cebf127n74f00def607b8b80@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:29:23 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Test In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2918e459304afc17 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 16:29:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c536d0243611529615919 It's all about spam. 92% of incoming mail to our company (~4 million emails perday) is spam. I can't tell you how much we send :-) Jez On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > > I'm about to suggest another option. I know that the "listserve" > methodology has worked well for us through the years, but over the past > year, it has gotten increasingly sluggish. It has degraded to the point > where it is getting hard to have a functioning list. Honestly, I cannot, > for the life of me, understand why email is so unreliable in this world. > > AG > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 16:39:39 2008 Received: (qmail 13592 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 14:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 14:39:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF661C2C57; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:39:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:39:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F49C3C1F for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:39:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080908143911H040095u1de>; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:39:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <017C3839915C4519B75B01AA7ACE59E1@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20080908102443.30914.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:39:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 16:39:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c5392b147911993019900 Thanks, Chuck, I was considering that, since I already have the glue, which I used to mount the focus confirmation chip. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 5:24 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment >I should think a couple drops of watery viscosity super glue would have >negligible effect on thickness and be more secure than epoxy. > > Chuck Norcutt > > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: Piers Hemy >> Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment >> Sent: Sep 08 '08 09:49 >> >> >> I disagree here, since it does not take much to alter the lens >> register - >> any epoxy between the mating surfaces of the adaptor parts will increase >> the >> lens register, and tend to reduce the furthest point to which the lens >> will >> focus. Of course, that assumes the adaptor permits the lens to focus at >> infinity but not beyond - which was not the case with at least one >> Chinese >> adaptor I have. This made use of an OM mount 8mm lens very tricky, so I >> put >> some shims between the mating surfaces of the adaptor. Problem solved. >> >> Piers >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >> Behalf >> Of Wayne Harridge >> Sent: 08 September 2008 01:19 >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment >> >> > Johann Thorsson wrote: >> > >> > >> > Sounds like something epoxy will fix. Just take the screws out and dip >> > them in epoxy and fasten again. >> >> --snip >> >> It's probably worth putting some epoxy on the mating surfaces of the >> adapter >> too, 3 x 1mm screws doesn't offer a lot of strength even if they're held >> in >> the thread by epoxy. >> >> ...Wayne >> >> --snip >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 16:44:52 2008 Received: (qmail 22558 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 14:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 14:44:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA7EC2D87; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:44:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:44:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C32CC2F34 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:44:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kchyp-0004G9-V6 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:44:40 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <48C48B32.9080201@interisland.net> Subject: [OM] Re: old buildings Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:44:33 +0100 Message-ID: <006f01c911c1$68ef8de0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <48C48B32.9080201@interisland.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckRWQ3qmLXGNEbhSFGFv4ulMAu8JQAZ/qFA X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080907-0, 07/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8190/Mon Sep 8 14:45:44 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 16:44:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c53a6416371035110158 An interesting "new" (for me) perspective on US' recent history, thanks Mike. That jAlbum gallery is the one I choose, so you can guess that I approve! Piers PS I spotted the spelling errors too - but which one was it that you spotted? I''l show you mine if you show me yours :-) -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: 08 September 2008 03:17 To: 1 Subject: [OM] old buildings I put together a few photos from our travels. Some you may have already seen. Please critique both the photos and the presentation which I'm still working on.. slides: Mike (Yeah, I see the spelling error) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 20:43:04 2008 Received: (qmail 27251 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 18:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 18:43:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246A5C304F; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:42:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:42:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F88C389E for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:42:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 4640 invoked by uid 502); 8 Sep 2008 18:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.199.233) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Sep 2008 18:42:48 -0000 Message-ID: <48C57226.5070904@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:42:46 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Test References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 20:43:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c57238281831946193717 Ken Norton wrote: > I'm about to suggest another option. I am strongly opposed to any forum style option that I've ever seen. I find them much slower and more awkward to use than individual emails in my Thunderbird in-box. I'm out at the end of the DSL coverage and Comcast (ick!) charges much more than the telco, so my download speed is 768k. That's actually fine for most everything. But with forums, the need to reload the browser page for every little thing adds appreciably to the response time for working with posts. I personally find the forum thread paradigm clumsy at best compared to a simple list of mail that I can instantly sort, filter or view as threads in many ways. Searches are also fast and powerful in Thunderbird. > I know that the "listserve" methodology has worked well for us through the years, but over the past year, it has gotten increasingly sluggish. It has degraded to the point where it is getting hard to have a functioning list. Are you still experiencing delays? Certainly there was a problem 2-3 of weeks ago, but Thomas railed at the ISP and all has been snappy here since. The problem was a specific insufficiency of some sort of resource, not some generic failure of email or listserver technology. He also said he would consider moving to an ISP with better service if necessary. Turnaround time for my own messages showing up in my list in box is a very few minutes. I assume most of that delay is due to the fact that Thunderbird only polls gmail every 10 minutes. The list feels very "real time" here since the last problem was corrected. Is it possible you are proposing to fix something that isn't broken? ;-) > Honestly, I cannot, for the life of me, understand why email is so unreliable in this world. > Jez said it - "It's all about spam. 92% of incoming mail to our company (~4 million emails per day) is spam." The big ISPs are desperate to keep spam under control. As far as I can tell, all the individual problems people have had with receiving list mail over he last few years have been a result of their email provider blocking the server that operates the list. Some of them go the extent of blocking a whole server based on perceived spam from one user on it. That happened with me ages ago, so I did the simple thing and moved my list mail to other places where I can set my own spam controls. Most recently, gmail has been working well for me. I don't use my current ISP, AT&T, for email at all. That way, when I move or they are bought or sell their ISP business, it has no effect on me at all. Note that Charlie's email address is at HCAhealthcare.com.You think they may have aggressive spam filtering/blocking? :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 8 21:09:09 2008 Received: (qmail 15034 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 19:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 19:09:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C30C28D3; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:08:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:08:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD452C3394 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:08:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 203.red-79-146-143.staticip.rima-tde.net ([79.146.143.203]:55837 helo=[192.168.2.104]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Kcm6a-00045O-0N (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:08:56 +0000 Message-Id: <6E03CB9B-9BB4-4FA0-9381-722C6551E663@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9E297CF137464DCF9D060B8FB7CD89A1@tour> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:08:53 +0200 References: <001701c911b0$0f728710$0401010a@meo.dec.com> <9E297CF137464DCF9D060B8FB7CD89A1@tour> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 8 21:09:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c57855131881591313764 Funny you say that, Stephan. I did use Scala quite a bit back when I still projected slides, but I always found it one of the hardest films to scan, much more difficult than any B&W negative film I used. Here are some examples from 2001 and 2002, all scanned with a Nikon LS-2000: http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/7.jpg http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/11.jpg http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/13.jpg http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/27.jpg http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/41.jpg http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/51alt1.jpg http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/2002/2002_2.jpg There are more on my PAW pages from 2001-2004. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Sep 8, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Stephan Van den Zegel wrote: > > It's a very good film to be scanned in a film scanner... (easy to > handle, > clean results...) easier than any BW negative... (I use a Nikon > coolscan) > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] De > la part > de Wayne Harridge > Envoy : lundi 8 septembre 2008 14:40 > : olympus@ml.free.fr > Objet : [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film > > >> >> One good reason... it's very efficient when scanned... >> > > I'm not really sure what you mean. > > ...Wayne > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 00:10:20 2008 Received: (qmail 4432 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 22:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 22:10:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8610C2DBE; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:10:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:10:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B627FC2B31 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:10:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 20561 invoked by uid 518); 8 Sep 2008 22:10:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20080908221003.20560.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: question on how to charge for a photo shoot Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:10:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.141.129.42 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 00:10:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c5a2cc151271946193717 Could be but I'm 500 miles removed from my copy of the book Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Richard Lovison > Subject: [OM] Re: question on how to charge for a photo shoot > Sent: Sep 08 '08 13:53 > > > chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > > I suggest you buy a copy of this book > > > > Chuck, > > Thanks for the recommendation. I took a look at Amazon and the first > reviewer indicated the book's primary focus was on pricing for stock > photography, not for pricing photo assignments. Was he correct in his > assessment? > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 00:16:26 2008 Received: (qmail 16050 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 22:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 22:16:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8015BC49D7; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:16:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:16:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF274C4C90 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:16:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m88MG9eI006227 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 08:16:09 +1000 Message-Id: <200809082216.m88MG9eI006227@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.236]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:16:09 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:16:09 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: AGFA Scala 200 ISO b/w slide film X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 00:16:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c5a4394657350615338 > Stephan Van den Zegel wrote: > > > It's a very good film to be scanned in a film scanner... (easy to > handle, > clean results...) easier than any BW negative... (I use a Nikon > coolscan) > I've never tried it, but I never found scanning b&w negs a problem (Epson V700 & Vuescan). ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 00:27:30 2008 Received: (qmail 11039 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2008 22:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 22:27:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0448C52A9; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:27:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:27:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7A3C529B for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:26:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.235]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m88MQKNi001821 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 08:26:20 +1000 Message-Id: <200809082226.m88MQKNi001821@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:26:20 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:26:20 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: Test X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 00:27:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c5a6d2250231234514069 > Moose wrote: > > Ken Norton wrote: > > I'm about to suggest another option. How many times do we have to go through this ? > I am strongly opposed to any forum style option that I've ever seen. I > find them much slower and more awkward to use than individual emails in > my Thunderbird in-box. Agree completely. > > I'm out at the end of the DSL coverage and Comcast (ick!) charges much > more than the telco, so my download speed is 768k. That's actually fine > for most everything. But with forums, the need to reload the browser > page for every little thing adds appreciably to the response time for > working with posts. Yeah, reloading the pages is crap, especially when it's mainly useless decoration and advertising ! > > I personally find the forum thread paradigm clumsy at best compared to a > > simple list of mail that I can instantly sort, filter or view as threads > > in many ways. Searches are also fast and powerful in Thunderbird. > > I know that the "listserve" methodology has worked well for us through > the years, but over the past year, it has gotten increasingly sluggish. > It has degraded to the point where it is getting hard to have a > functioning list. > Are you still experiencing delays? Certainly there was a problem 2-3 of > weeks ago, but Thomas railed at the ISP and all has been snappy here > since. The problem was a specific insufficiency of some sort of > resource, not some generic failure of email or listserver technology. He > > also said he would consider moving to an ISP with better service if > necessary. Maybe that's worthwhile, though turnaround time for emails has been good the last week or so. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 04:46:27 2008 Received: (qmail 19622 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 02:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 02:46:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82960C3DE3; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 04:46:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 04:46:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54EDC349C for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 04:46:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727CC314047 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CBB314046 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C5E375.9030103@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:46:13 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Test Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080908-0, 09/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 04:46:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c5e383143877927319144 > > Yeah, reloading the pages is crap, especially when it's mainly useless decoration and advertising ! > If you get the Adblock add-on for firefox you can make all the crap go away. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 06:09:19 2008 Received: (qmail 20847 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 04:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 04:09:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEA8C2865; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 06:09:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 06:09:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAD5C2BA1 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 06:09:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KcuXJ-0003ra-00 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:09:06 -0400 Message-ID: <48C5F6E0.6080502@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:09:04 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Listserve vs ??? Was: Test References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080908-0, 09/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 06:09:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c5f6ee282741470116606 Odd, that has not been my experience. Works fine for me. Only rarely have I have seen any real problem. (Perhaps because I only check in once or twice a day?) In my opinion all of the web based forums are a pain in the a** one way or another and I tend to participate only sporadically in those forums. Just my 2 cents worth. Jim Couch Ken Norton wrote: > I'm about to suggest another option. I know that the "listserve" > methodology has worked well for us through the years, but over the past > year, it has gotten increasingly sluggish. It has degraded to the point > where it is getting hard to have a functioning list. Honestly, I cannot, > for the life of me, understand why email is so unreliable in this world. > > AG > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 07:23:34 2008 Received: (qmail 20142 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 05:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 05:23:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61C2C283A; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:23:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:23:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C56C2E19 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:23:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-17-26.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.17.26]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m895NGug014131 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 02:23:16 -0300 Message-ID: <48C60846.90404@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 02:23:18 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Test References: <48C5E375.9030103@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48C5E375.9030103@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080908-0, 08/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 07:23:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c60855169401499373980 I was just about to write Moose about http://reloadevery.mozdev.org/ Think that together with Adblock, things might be easier on FF3. And we shall laugh at each others' avatars ! :^) Fernando. Mike wrote: >> Yeah, reloading the pages is crap, especially when it's mainly useless decoration and advertising ! >> >> > If you get the Adblock add-on for firefox you can make all the crap go away. > > Mike > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 07:26:07 2008 Received: (qmail 23587 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 05:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 05:26:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29512C3523; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:25:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:25:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D927C28CB for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:25:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-17-26.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.17.26]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m895Pqqu014218 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 02:25:53 -0300 Message-ID: <48C608E2.3030704@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 02:25:54 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Quite a Test ( OT ) References: <48C5E375.9030103@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48C5E375.9030103@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080908-0, 08/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 07:26:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c608ef125321585427447 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7567926.stm ..... countdown. Fernando. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 07:35:55 2008 Received: (qmail 24379 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 05:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 05:35:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18E5C378B; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:35:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:35:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D95C3589 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:35:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 203.red-79-146-143.staticip.rima-tde.net ([79.146.143.203]:56074 helo=[192.168.2.104]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Kcvt6-0002x0-6W (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:35:40 +0000 Message-Id: <3F63EA79-87BE-4A03-A5B6-4589F242DE4F@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48C42182.3050502@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Scary moment Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:35:38 +0200 References: <48C42182.3050502@interisland.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 07:35:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c60b3b206771035110158 Mike, I only use the adapters from Stephen Gandy (www.cameraquest.com). Every time I have tried another brand, they have turned out to be cheap junk. IMO you get what you pay for. Cheers, nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Sep 7, 2008, at 8:46 PM, Mike wrote: > > This morning while taking some photos with the 135/4.5 mounted on my > E510 on tripod. I suddenly found myself holding the lens and extension > tube in my hand. The three screws that hold the adapter together came > loose and the lens just fell off. Beware! Luckily I was focusing at > the > time and caught the lens before it hit the deck. These tiny screws > extend an extremely short distance into the soft aluminum so it will > take very little stress to strip them out. I'll have to rethink > mounting > the 300/2.8 via these adapters from jinfinance. Perhaps I can drill > and > tap for larger diameter and longer screws. In the meantime I > reassembled > the adapter and the threads seemed to bite but a little too much > torque > will easily break them loose. Definitely do not stress this joint. > Check > those screws folks. > > I also wonder if all adapters are created equal. Maybe some of you > could > pull a screw and take a look at the size. I'd like to know if other > manufacturers make a more sturdy product. FWIW these screws mic @ > 1.3mm > diameter x 2.4mm length > > Mike > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 10:31:24 2008 Received: (qmail 14240 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 08:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 08:31:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DE5C3BF6; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:31:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:31:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F5AC3C95 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:31:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 10468 invoked by uid 518); 9 Sep 2008 08:31:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20080909083110.10467.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Quite a Test ( OT ) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:31:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.141.129.42 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 10:31:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6345c225225368819438 It all sounds like a modern version of "epicycles" to me. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile > Subject: [OM] Quite a Test ( OT ) > Sent: Sep 09 '08 05:25 > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7567926.stm > > ..... countdown. > > Fernando. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 10:38:35 2008 Received: (qmail 27520 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 08:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 08:38:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3580C27EE; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:38:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:38:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 55CACC35FA for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:38:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12225 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 08:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.184.24) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 08:38:14 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48C608E2.3030704@adinet.com.uy> References: <48C5E375.9030103@interisland.net> <48C608E2.3030704@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <2EBF21E4-2B13-485B-BD20-297CC1830868@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Quite a Test ( OT ) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:38:17 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 10:38:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6360b263731035110158 My stomach's cerning. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/09/2008, at 3:25 PM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7567926.stm > > ..... countdown. > > Fernando. > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 10:46:48 2008 Received: (qmail 19047 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 08:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 08:46:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA60C36ED; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:46:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:46:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5904C370F for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:46:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 4452 invoked by uid 502); 9 Sep 2008 08:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.160.166) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Sep 2008 08:46:35 -0000 Message-ID: <48C637E5.6060607@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:46:29 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Test References: <48C5E375.9030103@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48C5E375.9030103@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 10:46:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c637f8196431073733319 Mike wrote: >> Yeah, reloading the pages is crap, especially when it's mainly useless decoration and advertising ! >> > If you get the Adblock add-on for firefox you can make all the crap go away. > Sorta. Take TOP, for example. The fixed ads are not affected by AdBlock. The "Recommended By M.J.:" links are blocked. Just the opposite of what I would want. In any case, my major objection to on-line forums is that each thing I do requires a response from the server. Even the quick ones are not nearly as instant as working in a local mail manager. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 10:52:30 2008 Received: (qmail 25836 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 08:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 08:52:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52649C3EE4; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:52:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:52:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B530C3985 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:52:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7258 invoked by uid 502); 9 Sep 2008 08:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.164.45) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Sep 2008 08:52:13 -0000 Message-ID: <48C6392D.1080003@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:51:57 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Test References: <48C5E375.9030103@interisland.net> <48C60846.90404@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48C60846.90404@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 10:52:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6394e227077927319144 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > I was just about to write Moose about http://reloadevery.mozdev.org/ > That's just the reverse of what I would want. Thunderbird (and I presume, the Outlook things) simply downloads mail from the list and other email accounts and deposits them in the appropriate in-box at whatever frequency I set it for. It also can alert me to new mail for whatever accounts I ask it to with sound and/or visual signal. I may then read, sort, delete, reply, etc. without any interface updates. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 11:04:34 2008 Received: (qmail 8726 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 09:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 09:04:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1471BC45DE; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:04:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:04:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9B8C2782 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:59:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 10894 invoked by uid 502); 9 Sep 2008 08:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.166.43) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Sep 2008 08:58:46 -0000 Message-ID: <48C63AAC.7080203@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:58:20 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Quite a Test ( OT ) References: <48C5E375.9030103@interisland.net> <48C608E2.3030704@adinet.com.uy> <2EBF21E4-2B13-485B-BD20-297CC1830868@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <2EBF21E4-2B13-485B-BD20-297CC1830868@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 11:04:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c63c22316269117217770 Andrew Fildes wrote: > My stomach's cerning. > Black Hole - The Ultimate antacid! Not really true, of course. Sci-Fi makes it all look like destruction. As I understand the theory, we could be below the event horizon in a black hole now, and not know it except for the effect on the night sky. Maybe even not that. We would disappear from outside, but relativistic effects mean we would continue to exist as we were. I don't remember if there is some ultimate end, but if so, it would be far in our future. So, you will have all the cerning until you check out anyway. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 14:01:45 2008 Received: (qmail 2984 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 12:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 12:01:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAEACC2D17; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:01:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:01:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D234C376A for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:01:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K6X00C00G224AMF@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:01:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:01:23 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: test In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Cc: "omtech1@verizon.net" Message-id: <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B34922.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> <48B697F9.5010504@verizon.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 14:01:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c665a9301471869477228 This is a test, wondering if the list still exists. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 14:04:18 2008 Received: (qmail 22863 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 12:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 12:04:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F705C370F; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:03:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:03:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B7DC31C9 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:03:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.7731); 09 Sep 2008 22:03:44 +1000 Message-ID: <100-1d66c648-26208.015@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Cc: "omtech1@verizon.net" Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:03:41 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B34922.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> <48B697F9.5010504@verizon.net> <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.01 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.01.09.1111) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: test X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 14:04:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c66642101871823421471 Hi John, Yes, its still here, and working, well, for quite a few of us :-) Others seem to have a problem :-( Cheers Ian Manners (Note, replied to both John and the list) (PS, I prefer a list :-) On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:01:23 -0400, olympus@ml.free.fr wrote: > > This is a test, wondering if the list still exists. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > I used to have a handle on life, then it broke. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 14:06:53 2008 Received: (qmail 19405 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 12:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 12:06:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952B4C2DE1; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:06:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:06:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from osprey.londonmet.ac.uk (osprey.londonmet.ac.uk [163.167.84.4]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA3CC2B52 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:06:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 82-45-242-102.cable.ubr06.dals.blueyonder.co.uk ([82.45.242.102] helo=[192.168.2.2]) by osprey.londonmet.ac.uk with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.41) id 1Kd1z2-0002g1-1S for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:06:12 +0100 Message-ID: <48C666B4.5040106@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:06:12 +0100 From: james king User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: test References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B34922.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> <48B697F9.5010504@verizon.net> <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-LondonMetropolitanUniversity-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 14:06:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c666dd233457350615338 pong! John Hermanson wrote: > This is a test, wondering if the list still exists. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 14:20:32 2008 Received: (qmail 31761 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 12:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 12:20:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E13C378F; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:20:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:20:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D559C3B7E for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:19:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12071 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 12:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.184.24) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 12:19:42 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B34922.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> <48B697F9.5010504@verizon.net> <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: test Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:19:48 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 14:20:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c66a1065098512572685 Nothing exists - I thing Moose said so. It's all gone black. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/09/2008, at 10:01 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > This is a test, wondering if the list still exists. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 14:40:48 2008 Received: (qmail 29708 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 12:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 12:40:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D25CC33CE; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:40:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:40:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C0FC2814 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:39:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so11009595gxk.17 for ; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:39:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=VQRvKJaKQtVWJudWDdPglbebuNz/CgmWAioJp2TEnBs=; b=bJvxlKB1uJkLR8af7d4783yDQiNtikkIAMyiU7TNdG6WXfZTG/zJs2y2iexIlX/w/d r5r/adIgNz80xdEo3SkcnFMMpYcvWF+7orwS8rAvEkOXIKsdGtFL72Z5lOXu1eY7Z1xz LJKeZh1k1BDfkQDLIRxIxgwgGeqZMoYpxD4P8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=YoAxhXWpBfyjMkpf3lZXW4Dr/Wmb+qocJIydftJEKXgoyQy9KeGw8xzu6+XJCGjpo9 mcaBwSacxmaRO/7V64hB2VjbkhMTSuz1/Nfc9igy7XVDp4WVLQu+W5tFdJnzIi2nS2HF cUZwSbOSOwOzHI0Qg/sf0SdzSes6svDJiU3zA= Received: by 10.142.51.4 with SMTP id y4mr5750712wfy.57.1220963970560; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.72.6 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 05:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840809090539t2df337c9p87d5e24c4819a706@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:39:30 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: test In-Reply-To: <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B34922.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> <48B697F9.5010504@verizon.net> <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: aeac0b1aab799c69 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 14:40:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c66ed0218841234514069 I got 14 messages Sept 6. 17 on Sept 7, 13 on Sept 8 and 39 today so far Jez On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:01 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > > This is a test, wondering if the list still exists. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 14:47:49 2008 Received: (qmail 27512 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 12:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 12:47:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E67C402E; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:47:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:47:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E78C2BD5 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:46:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.7731) for ; 09 Sep 2008 22:46:46 +1000 Message-ID: <100-1870c648-13409.017@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:46:16 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B34922.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> <48B697F9.5010504@verizon.net> <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.01 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.01.09.1111) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: test X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 14:47:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c67075299271993019900 > Nothing exists - I thing Moose said so. > It's all gone black. No, thats tomorrow :o) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ I'm kinda tired. I was up all night trying to round off infinity. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 15:11:55 2008 Received: (qmail 24771 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 13:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 13:11:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54578C2EA5; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:11:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:11:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8B3C294D for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:11:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 770D0794S4 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 06:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 9 Sep 2008 06:11:29 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: test Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 06:11:24 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: test Thread-Index: AckSc9kwy67fOvrDQL2oTQN4WrU4WgACaRZQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2008 13:11:29.0224 (UTC) FILETIME=[92584480:01C9127D] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 15:11:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6761b212702046811720 Subject: [OM] Re: test This is a test, wondering if the list still exists. Only in an alternate reality. This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 15:27:11 2008 Received: (qmail 30497 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 13:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 13:27:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB79C2BB3; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:26:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:26:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AC59C3FB5 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:26:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 20449 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 13:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.184.24) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 13:26:42 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <100-1870c648-13409.017@comkal.net> References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B34922.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> <48B697F9.5010504@verizon.net> <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> <100-1870c648-13409.017@comkal.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <6D8063F2-5038-42EB-9FFC-87F54FB6B44C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: test Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:26:48 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 15:27:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c679af308745368819438 Is that tomorrow our time, Euro time or murkin time - or do we all go down the drainhole sequentially? And do coriolis forces affect the direction in which we cross the event horizon? I vote for widdershins. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/09/2008, at 10:46 PM, Ian Manners wrote: > >> Nothing exists - I thing Moose said so. >> It's all gone black. > > No, thats tomorrow :o) > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.comkal.net/ > > I'm kinda tired. I was up all night trying to round off infinity. > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 15:31:03 2008 Received: (qmail 28238 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 13:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 13:31:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0140C318A; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:30:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:30:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 98FD0C2E78 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:30:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21661 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 13:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.184.24) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 13:30:31 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <926A1A70-68EB-4609-A768-B60282684574@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Good grief Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:30:38 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 15:31:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c67a9726841234514069 Sony a900 - 24.6 megapixel full frame CMOS sensor. Cue theme from Jaws. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 15:37:00 2008 Received: (qmail 29688 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 13:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 13:37:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CCCC2831; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:36:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:36:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C09CC36BB for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:36:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 39CCEB2FG5 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 06:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 9 Sep 2008 06:36:41 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Good grief Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 06:36:41 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <926A1A70-68EB-4609-A768-B60282684574@people.net.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Good grief Thread-Index: AckSgE35efToRe1VRUuO8Tyio9W07gAAKZNA From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2008 13:36:42.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[181FD3F0:01C91281] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 15:37:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c67bfc278481838542571 Subject: [OM] Good grief Sony a900 - 24.6 megapixel full frame CMOS sensor. Cue theme from Jaws. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au Can a 1G sensor be too far beyond the horizon? Blue or event. This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 17:29:39 2008 Received: (qmail 21789 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 15:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 15:29:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A43C3483; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:29:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:29:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.235]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66513C3564 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:29:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so3184461qbc.11 for ; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:29:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=dcmcwK7OlYOw0PysDNJCM5olB+sv6P4Rx/9jHrjbnCM=; b=DR9mhS2VFvGvzZWpQ68cxiiquvkZZtkrPs46VxMmp1oMuilI5Dozc1qZBkta20+8nn UaIPX8G+MGKE/kBkh42waBHBafuYQII1+ReYzscEFAnZZouQhk6rIe+JWFsEFhfyIDmk b/Xo7XBJGY+brPTofhgEg7rs/v0krwXSvR/Mk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=JrcU2oUekJ3IZd2l79O0OnVDp8sLau7b7zjwvRkf+LAVefP/7Eh7EPJqUaaHVKmnG0 l1Dg+VHgamTCetaA+AAHe0uQzSrWyYjTTb4tn0xTO62cnec8J9Fr/w0qpK4fXmmzZnjL 9TjQMzH3Q/JncWVXabLoEb/0WjwUKlJ/z+rZU= Received: by 10.86.82.6 with SMTP id f6mr12449861fgb.53.1220974165568; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.29.1 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 08:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0809090829k67d66a3dg33a34f842fd784d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:29:25 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: Olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 17:29:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c69663208749117217770 I find myself blocked by my work server, so I'm following Moose's lead and subscribing from a Gmail account. So far it seems to be working. I'm surprised because they block most web-based e-mail accounts. Hope it lasts. Charlie ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 19:26:19 2008 Received: (qmail 15245 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 17:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 17:26:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93CEC380D; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:25:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:25:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC09AC36C5 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:25:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-23-53.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.23.53]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m89HPnWY001217 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:25:50 -0300 Message-ID: <48C6B19F.8090706@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:25:51 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Quite a Test ( OT ) References: <48C5E375.9030103@interisland.net> <48C608E2.3030704@adinet.com.uy> <2EBF21E4-2B13-485B-BD20-297CC1830868@people.net.au> <48C63AAC.7080203@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48C63AAC.7080203@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080908-0, 08/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 19:26:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6b1bb56761499373980 Just entered my inbox: http://www.nature.com/news/specials/lhc/index.html Fernando Moose wrote: > Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> My stomach's cerning. >> >> > Black Hole - The Ultimate antacid! > > Not really true, of course. Sci-Fi makes it all look like destruction. > As I understand the theory, we could be below the event horizon in a > black hole now, and not know it except for the effect on the night sky. > Maybe even not that. > > We would disappear from outside, but relativistic effects mean we would > continue to exist as we were. I don't remember if there is some ultimate > end, but if so, it would be far in our future. > > So, you will have all the cerning until you check out anyway. > > Moose > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 19:33:11 2008 Received: (qmail 28385 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 17:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 17:33:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC4AC3706; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:32:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:32:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60C6C361C for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:32:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-23-53.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.23.53]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m89HWqHk001638 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:32:52 -0300 Message-ID: <48C6B346.20009@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:32:54 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Good grief References: <926A1A70-68EB-4609-A768-B60282684574@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <926A1A70-68EB-4609-A768-B60282684574@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080908-0, 08/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 19:33:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6b356168731529615919 Read about it some days ago. Gossip gossip .... a 900. Wandered and wondered about Chuck's link to LLandscape article on sensors outresolving lens. Which lens might be suitable for this sensor ? Fernando. Andrew Fildes wrote: > Sony a900 - 24.6 megapixel full frame CMOS sensor. > Cue theme from Jaws. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 19:48:58 2008 Received: (qmail 30900 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 17:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 17:48:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2D4C353A; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:48:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:48:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2CCCC32C7 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:48:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:48:45 -0400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Partially OT - Old cameras and questions Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:48:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions Thread-Index: AckSpE3PnzRMw9gOS5aq5ax6+z9Wcg== From: "Walters, Martin" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2008 17:48:45.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E20D1C0:01C912A4] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mwalters@NRCan.gc.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 19:48:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6b70a92431073733319 Wandering through an antique cooperative in Geneva (NY) over the Labour Day weekend, I came across a Zeiss Ikon Netta 515/2 for a modest price. Couldn't leave it there, could I? Everything seems to be working/intact, though the black paint has seen better days. Don't know very much about this camera other than it's the "cheap" version of an Ikonta. Articles on the web suggest immediately pre-war, though there are subtle differences between the various model photographs. I've looked all over for a serial number or something that might indicate its age. Nothing visible. Can anyone shed any light? Now the on-topic stuff: Also just picked up a nice MIOJ 35 IV on Eb*y for a very reasonable price. Everything works, leather and chrome in great condition and came with case and cap. Without a film in it, I haven't figured out is how the manual film wind works - or, how to rewind the film for that matter. Can't find instructions anywhere on the web. Any ideas? Oh, yes. The list seems to be working OK, even if there haven't been many posts some days. Martin ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 19:53:46 2008 Received: (qmail 13327 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 17:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 17:53:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B43C278B; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:53:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:53:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65268C2BF3 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:53:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so12047506gxk.17 for ; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:53:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=dhPj5ogVcGSqwzOrd9XARxP4HeNYHqP46CPEtrnFFl8=; b=Z0HeWvgONxqCWKbZGgoHq1/C3DlQ+0xpxps1imcfwDpbjMka0sI0VC4Ah5iszka3vb hsL7ITeX2v0E2z4XmSvccsJ2L3ETQaymMKsn5Xs9LeDZl7kTs2BAj7BF7dkDeHLCoSC7 4AQhVPR1eYNy8qS/DMyMjRYhIz+3Uiibwjxgw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=txhQWTCVSMNoEfESUa3C/QmIz0o9DwwoePkF+G6G0udIZksfYk+fkS7zmYZpxvkzWl o4kD6lOZwmD4khIRrsSRkL5tMXxSNDLuKjaDC4kq+Uy0e3J0MCK++sMA3edzeHGcOkL5 Me9pb6qAQyz78yF9+pTDCh7L7svGqdjgmhFiA= Received: by 10.86.81.9 with SMTP id e9mr127268fgb.10.1220982811441; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.29.1 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0809091053qec4275dvca5c0185c04a297f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:53:31 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Quite a Test ( OT ) In-Reply-To: <48C6B19F.8090706@adinet.com.uy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48C5E375.9030103@interisland.net> <48C608E2.3030704@adinet.com.uy> <2EBF21E4-2B13-485B-BD20-297CC1830868@people.net.au> <48C63AAC.7080203@gmail.com> <48C6B19F.8090706@adinet.com.uy> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 19:53:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6b82a72989347015869 Hark! Is that a great sucking sound I hear? Charlie (With appologies to Ross Perot) On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile < fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy> wrote: > > Just entered my inbox: > > http://www.nature.com/news/specials/lhc/index.html > > Fernando > > Moose wrote: > > Andrew Fildes wrote: > > > >> My stomach's cerning. > >> > >> > > Black Hole - The Ultimate antacid! > > > > Not really true, of course. Sci-Fi makes it all look like destruction. > > As I understand the theory, we could be below the event horizon in a > > black hole now, and not know it except for the effect on the night sky. > > Maybe even not that. > > > > We would disappear from outside, but relativistic effects mean we would > > continue to exist as we were. I don't remember if there is some ultimate > > end, but if so, it would be far in our future. > > > > So, you will have all the cerning until you check out anyway. > > > > Moose > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 20:04:13 2008 Received: (qmail 13514 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 18:04:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 18:04:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCD2C38B4; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:04:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:04:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7706BC38F5 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:04:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.d63.19192416 (37533) for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB016-929d48c6ba8e1d2; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:03:58 -0400 Received: from webmail-me16 (webmail-me16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.208]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA027-5bb848c6ba78190; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:03:36 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Good grief Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:03:36 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.208) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:03:36 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAE0BD8415BD51-8FC-18A9@webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 20:04:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6ba9d159861470116606 Should heat up the FF market. From Chuck's link from luminous land. the resolution should start to be diffraction limited at about F8, assuming the glass is even close to being able to take advantage of it. I wonder if the point of diminishing returns is being reached. Too bad the Zuikos can't be used with the IS due to the registration distance. The son of 5D specs should be out soon as well. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 21:28:32 2008 Received: (qmail 11939 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 19:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 19:28:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E758C44B1; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:28:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:28:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A344C43DC for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:28:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30950 invoked by uid 502); 9 Sep 2008 19:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.196.179) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Sep 2008 19:28:08 -0000 Message-ID: <48C6CE47.4070703@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:28:07 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 21:28:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6ce60180271823421471 Walters, Martin wrote: > Wandering through an antique cooperative in Geneva (NY) over the Labour > Day weekend, I came across a Zeiss Ikon Netta 515/2 for a modest price. > Couldn't leave it there, could I? Everything seems to be working/intact, > though the black paint has seen better days. Don't know very much about > this camera other than it's the "cheap" version of an Ikonta. Articles > on the web suggest immediately pre-war, though there are subtle > differences between the various model photographs. I've looked all over > for a serial number or something that might indicate its age. Nothing > visible. Can anyone shed any light? > That camera is today's 'forgotten camera' on TOP. The owner might know more about it, perhaps even have a manual. He doesn't give an email address, but yuo could post a response on the TOP page asking about it. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 21:51:06 2008 Received: (qmail 23414 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 19:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 19:51:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A439C3305; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:50:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:50:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC2FC31EB for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:50:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:50:44 -0400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:50:41 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48C6CE47.4070703@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions Thread-Index: AckSskG7F6PpOiVBTfOdyivtpsnibgAAkPYg References: <48C6CE47.4070703@gmail.com> From: "Walters, Martin" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2008 19:50:44.0336 (UTC) FILETIME=[58B44700:01C912B5] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mwalters@NRCan.gc.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 21:51:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6d3aa150751869477228 Moose wrote: That camera is today's 'forgotten camera' on TOP. The owner might know more about it, perhaps even have a manual. He doesn't give an email address, but yuo could post a response on the TOP page asking about it. Wow, that's quick. And the author is from the Great White North, too. His is in better condition than mine. There seem to be a couple of differences - mine has the viewfinder on the lens, and no glass in the "viewfinder" on top of the camera (and nothing seems to be missing either). There's a mount on the bottom that mine doesn't have. Will compare when I get home. Thanks, Martin ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 22:33:30 2008 Received: (qmail 29838 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 20:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 20:33:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63640C33A3; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:33:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:33:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37965C2CF4 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:33:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Trace: 74511492/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.75.132.162/None/jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.75.132.162 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqsEAB96xkhPS4Si/2dsb2JhbACCZIk8rDWBZA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,367,1217804400"; d="scan'208,217";a="74511492" Received: from 79-75-132-162.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO MEDIAPC) ([79.75.132.162]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 Sep 2008 21:33:13 +0100 From: "Jon Mitchell" To: "Olympus Mailing List" Subject: [OM] e330 question Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:33:16 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01c912bb$4a16c3c0$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jon@jonmitch.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 22:33:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6dd99128062070262475 Hi Guys, Quick question - does anyone know the limit on CF card size with the e330 ? Recently bought a cheap 16GB CF card (another project - think "Pimp My iPod" .. Or rather "Pimp My Wife's iPod") only to find the iPod was rather picky. Bought another brand that was known to work and all was well. Rather than send back the first 16GB card, I thought I'd try it in the e330. No luck - "card error" was all I got. For what it's worth, I formatted it first in the PC card reader just to be sure it had a good starting point, but the camera wouldn't even think about formatting it. So, is the card duff ? Is it the e330 that has a limitation of 8GB ? If so, is there a firmware upgrade for the e330 to allow bigger CF cards ? Thanks, Jon ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 22:43:14 2008 Received: (qmail 32509 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 20:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 20:43:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23C9C36A6; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30560C3380 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.20] (really [74.75.80.44]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20080909203856.QAAP2068.mta11.adelphia.net@[192.168.2.20]> for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:38:56 -0400 Message-ID: <48C6DFD5.1050800@roadrunner.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:43:01 -0400 From: Richard Ociepka User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question References: <002f01c912bb$4a16c3c0$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> In-Reply-To: <002f01c912bb$4a16c3c0$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ociepka@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 22:43:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6dfe2184591073733319 Olympus states in the FAQ that up to 8 GB can be used. http://tinyurl.com/5w4d92 Dick Jon Mitchell wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Quick question - does anyone know the limit on CF card size with the > e330 ? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 22:58:28 2008 Received: (qmail 28592 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 20:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 20:58:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C3AC362F; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:58:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:58:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id CED57C387F for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:58:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7845 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 20:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.184.24) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 20:58:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48C6B346.20009@adinet.com.uy> References: <926A1A70-68EB-4609-A768-B60282684574@people.net.au> <48C6B346.20009@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Good grief Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:58:11 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 22:58:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6e374112571342116753 Zeiss! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/09/2008, at 3:32 AM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Which lens might be suitable for this sensor ? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 23:45:00 2008 Received: (qmail 725 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 21:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 21:44:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21593C34B4; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:44:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:44:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C321DC37BA for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:44:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A1C314027 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED8A314024 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C6EE52.7000406@interisland.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:44:50 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: old buildings Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080908-0, 09/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 23:45:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6ee5c23523675314703 Thanks for the comments so far. I made a few changes. Link to index page. > There used to be another old house off the North side of the road near there. Kind of back toward a > canyon. ... Yep. I think it is still there but would require some time to set up for the photo and get the right light as it's down off the road. Just haven't hit it at the right time yet. By the way, that general store in Fossil is great! > Would you mind sharing the details of the equipment used for these nice > photos? Camera(s), lens(es), film(?). Yes, I plan to do that but haven't figured out how to do it in an acceptable way. Chameleon allows exif or comments etc. to be displayed or not. At least I haven't figured it out yet. What I would like is a button to display the info for you listeros but generally not clutter up the screen as I don't think most people give a hoot about the details. > - The white border is too wide and/or too bright > - I don't like the single vertical column I didn't like it either and had been trying to find the right box to change in the options. Found it and it's done. > making such a thing on a DVD. Fernando I think you can use JAlbum to create a slideshow and upload to a DVD instead of a website. Not all skins will work though so check the fine print. There are even skins for cell phones and ipods. > PS I spotted the spelling errors too - but which one was it that you > spotted? I''l show you mine if you show me yours :-) Did I miss any? Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 9 23:59:09 2008 Received: (qmail 32112 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 21:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 21:59:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB710C2EC1; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:58:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:58:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A86C3767 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:58:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5767 invoked by uid 502); 9 Sep 2008 21:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.201.230) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Sep 2008 21:58:54 -0000 Message-ID: <48C6F19B.207@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:58:51 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions References: <48C6CE47.4070703@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 9 23:59:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6f1ad40458512572685 Walters, Martin wrote: > Wow, that's quick. And the author is from the Great White North, too. > Toronto? Canada, sure, but hardly Great White North. Barely N. of Boston and significantly S. of Seattle. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 00:14:12 2008 Received: (qmail 2560 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 22:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 22:14:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D68C3BB6; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:13:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:13:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5D9C395E for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:13:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-34-29.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.34.29]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m89MDofl023712 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:13:50 -0300 Message-ID: <48C6F521.40108@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:13:53 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: old buildings References: <48C6EE52.7000406@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48C6EE52.7000406@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080908-0, 08/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 00:14:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6f534176931234514069 Thank you Mike - I thought it might be suitable. Still, I am investigating Viewbook as you had suggested - but the idea of a DVD as discussed here is not simple at all: I have discussed it with some windows gurus here, who promised to make a try with Canopus v4.6 and Wondershare DVD slideshow, but it seems that it's me who's short of time. Nevertheless, I was able to make a slideshow on a CD using Nero -my daughter's visit to NYC, Washington and Miami- no music and small .jpg from the stylus 720sw Shall put it in my ever growing larger windows xp things 'To Do' :) Fernando. Mike wrote: > Fernando I think you can use JAlbum to create a slideshow and upload to > a DVD instead of a website. Not all skins will work though so check the > fine print. There are even skins for cell phones and ipods. > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 00:17:09 2008 Received: (qmail 12909 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 22:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 22:17:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F0FC390A; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:16:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:16:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75529C3B50 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:16:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080909221656.FAMF21103.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:16:56 +0100 Received: from user4fec106f50 ([81.99.10.243]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20080909221656.MEKB5827.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@user4fec106f50> for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:16:56 +0100 Message-ID: <840068DAB04942AC9A753087539A8DD4@user4fec106f50> From: "David W Bell" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:16:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NriocfcaO-MA:10 a=XITtTEFHNgEA:10 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=GLGjdHoXrqxAcKDRHV0A:9 a=u3YqCmDti1fBTnVVncPDLwqRpBkA:4 a=7fDRFdMZ_OEA:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: david.w.bell@ntlworld.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 00:17:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6f5e5302991073733319 Nettar 515/2 round shutter face and also515/2 art deco style hex shutter face 6x9 folder with Novar or Nettar lens. Also with Tessar Possibly Gauthier shutter. Date from 1934 - 41 per McKeowns Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walters, Martin" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: [OM] Partially OT - Old cameras and questions > > Wandering through an antique cooperative in Geneva (NY) over the Labour > Day weekend, I came across a Zeiss Ikon Netta 515/2 for a modest price. > Couldn't leave it there, could I? Everything seems to be working/intact, > though the black paint has seen better days. Don't know very much about > this camera other than it's the "cheap" version of an Ikonta. Articles > on the web suggest immediately pre-war, though there are subtle > differences between the various model photographs. I've looked all over > for a serial number or something that might indicate its age. Nothing > visible. Can anyone shed any light? > > Now the on-topic stuff: Also just picked up a nice MIOJ 35 IV on Eb*y > for a very reasonable price. Everything works, leather and chrome in > great condition and came with case and cap. Without a film in it, I > haven't figured out is how the manual film wind works - or, how to > rewind the film for that matter. Can't find instructions anywhere on the > web. Any ideas? > > Oh, yes. The list seems to be working OK, even if there haven't been > many posts some days. > > Martin > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 00:39:51 2008 Received: (qmail 15460 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2008 22:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 22:39:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA806C3A88; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:39:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:39:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C23C38A0 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:39:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c97.30a0eac3 (37031) for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB021-90a748c6fb2029b; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:39:28 -0400 Received: from webmail-me16 (webmail-me16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.208]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA034-5c5648c6fb162d7; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:39:18 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 36: cats, swans, veg etc. Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:39:19 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.208) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:39:19 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAE0E40813DDD1-8FC-2F33@webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 00:39:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c6fb37202841234514069 Papa swan looks most intimidating. I would be in fear for your front element and perhaps your schnozz. Thanks for the nice tour. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 02:13:30 2008 Received: (qmail 20065 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 00:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 00:13:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64395C338F; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:13:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:13:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0BBC3640 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:13:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1935262rvb.29 for ; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:13:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 02:13:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7112a149561499373980 http://www.dpreview.com/previews/SonyDSLRA900/ # 24.6 MP 35mm format full-frame CMOS sensor (highest res in class) # SteadyShot INSIDE full frame image sensor shift stabilization (world first) # High Speed Dual Bionz processors # Eye-level glass Penta-prism OVF, 100% coverage, 0.74x magnification # 9 point AF with 10 assist points, center dual-cross AF w/2.8 sensor # 5 frames per second burst, newly developed mirror box # Intelligent Preview Function # 3 User programmable custom memory modes on mode dial # Advanced Dynamic Range Optimizer (5 step selectable) # 40 segment honeycomb metering # 3.0" 921K pixel Photo Quality (270 dpi) LCD display, 100% coverage # Direct HDMI output # ISO 200-3200 (ISO 100-6400 expanded range) # User interchangeable focusing screens (3 options) # CF Type I/II and MS slots, LI-ION battery, STAMINA 880 shots # Weight 850g (without battery, card, accs) --- Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 03:52:59 2008 Received: (qmail 12736 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 01:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 01:52:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCB2C2F44; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:52:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:52:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D48C3195 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:52:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7118 invoked by uid 518); 10 Sep 2008 01:52:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:52:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 69.216.175.61 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 03:52:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7287a275311823421471 At 4GB and higher a CF card must be formatted as FAT32 vs FAT16. The upper limits on FAT32 format are in the terrabyte range. If the E-330 can't handle more than 8GB it has either been very poorly implemented or has been deliberately crippled. I suspect the latter as this simply shouldn't happen. XD cards are a different kettle of fish. Just don't buy them. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Richard Ociepka > Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > Sent: Sep 09 '08 20:43 > > Olympus states in the FAQ that up to 8 GB can be used. > http://tinyurl.com/5w4d92 > > Dick > > Jon Mitchell wrote: > > Hi Guys, > >   > > Quick question - does anyone know the limit on CF card size with the > > e330 ? > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 04:28:08 2008 Received: (qmail 197 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 02:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 02:28:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE85C2F5A; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:27:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:27:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85A8C292C for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:27:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5125A314024 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB5B31401F for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C730AF.9000406@interisland.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:27:59 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Test Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080909-0, 09/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 04:28:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c730b8325041744846740 > > Sorta. Take TOP, for example. The fixed ads are not affected by > AdBlock. The "Recommended By M.J.:" links are blocked. Just the > opposite of what I would want. Give Adblock a chance. I added the filter: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/* to Adblock with a simple right click and it blocked all the adds except the recommended by MJ ads. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 06:02:39 2008 Received: (qmail 2050 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 04:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 04:02:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FA9C33D8; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:02:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:02:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E924C342D for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:02:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21150 invoked by uid 502); 10 Sep 2008 04:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.0.56) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Sep 2008 04:02:27 -0000 Message-ID: <48C746CA.4020803@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:02:18 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question References: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> In-Reply-To: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 06:02:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c746df271789117217770 chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > ... XD cards are a different kettle of fish. Just don't buy them. > That would make the F10, F30 and many other Oly and Fuji cameras into small doorstops. C. F. Moose SD SDHC xD ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 06:53:00 2008 Received: (qmail 26493 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 04:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 04:52:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0070C2804; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:52:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:52:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B59CC2945 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:52:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18925 invoked by uid 502); 10 Sep 2008 04:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.0.56) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Sep 2008 04:52:41 -0000 Message-ID: <48C75294.8080509@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:52:36 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Test References: <48C730AF.9000406@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48C730AF.9000406@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 06:53:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c752ac306117927319144 Mike wrote: >> Sorta. Take TOP, for example. The fixed ads are not affected by AdBlock. The "Recommended By M.J.:" links are blocked. Just the opposite of what I would want. >> > Give Adblock a chance. I added the filter: > > http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/* > > to Adblock with a simple right click and it blocked all the adds except the recommended by MJ ads. > Doesn't work that way for me. As an ad filter, it renders the whole page blank. With @@ in front of it, it becomes an exception filter, and I get all the ads, including the recommended by MJ items. That's fine with me, as removing all the ads doesn't make the narrow blog column wider Oops! I now see that we are using different things with similar names. I've been using AdBlock Plus. Regular Adblock does work as you say. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 07:44:39 2008 Received: (qmail 19849 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 05:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 05:44:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCB4C3647; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:44:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:44:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA43C301A for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:44:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-9-63.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.9.63]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m8A5iNiU018305 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:44:24 -0300 Message-ID: <48C75EBA.6070801@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:44:26 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Good grief References: <926A1A70-68EB-4609-A768-B60282684574@people.net.au> <48C6B346.20009@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080908-0, 08/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 07:44:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c75ec7116251529615919 DPReview shows it with Minolta optics, Andrew. Any thoughts ? Fernando. Andrew Fildes wrote: > Zeiss! > > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 10/09/2008, at 3:32 AM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > > >> Which lens might be suitable for this sensor ? >> >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 08:57:15 2008 Received: (qmail 122 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 06:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 06:57:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A1CC2850; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:57:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:57:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E74DC3844 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:57:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3979 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2008 06:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.184.24) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 06:56:51 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48C75EBA.6070801@adinet.com.uy> References: <926A1A70-68EB-4609-A768-B60282684574@people.net.au> <48C6B346.20009@adinet.com.uy> <48C75EBA.6070801@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <6E0D2C27-6E34-4AC0-9ABF-D1BA71DE4CB2@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Good grief Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:56:55 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 08:57:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c76fcb199181702588592 Did not see that but they tend to put a 50mm on whatever they're testing - in that case a 50/1.4 Rokkor. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/09/2008, at 3:44 PM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > DPReview shows it with Minolta optics, Andrew. > > Any thoughts ? > > Fernando. > > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Zeiss! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 10:26:59 2008 Received: (qmail 16107 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 08:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 08:26:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89A2C2FAD; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:26:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:26:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55014C2AB3 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:26:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.7731) for ; 10 Sep 2008 18:26:44 +1000 Message-ID: <100-c084c748-12692.001@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:26:40 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <6E0D2C27-6E34-4AC0-9ABF-D1BA71DE4CB2@people.net.au> References: <926A1A70-68EB-4609-A768-B60282684574@people.net.au> <48C6B346.20009@adinet.com.uy> <48C75EBA.6070801@adinet.com.uy> <48C75EBA.6070801@adinet.com.uy> <6E0D2C27-6E34-4AC0-9ABF-D1BA71DE4CB2@people.net.au> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.01 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.01.09.1111) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] 55mm F1.2 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 10:26:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c784d354462070262475 The Boy, item=310082186791 Anyone want a 55mm F1.2 ? Includes an OM1 + 75-150mm No affiliation, just trying to stop bidding on everything. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ How can you tell Chairman Bill is lying? His lawyer's lips are moving. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 10:46:19 2008 Received: (qmail 6703 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 08:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 08:46:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C556C2B03; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:46:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:46:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0120C2C84 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:46:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so2324823wfd.5 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:46:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kuzMnGsUEG/oNdq9X1LNLfDHiw35PZD4WIqlVgsO8aw=; b=WX7iP8jUu6Mk73nAEBdM4rfy2W5sqABfFLjrPGWLZpbi0c1hO1aCjaHKlPsBZCiMxR wK/giDU5eVQ8HloTPlU262g/z6jsjmjM0exyed+lN5ns50DZ+VBMVS7zsYQUYrJ2/SfX Cvq7k7F4SgbCsfRuu7eiXiwZXTVTat4wUdZxE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ItRrP85qZPQxWO8/tf/g28Onz0Zbr+25HI8xlVfYHXWd7WEYTxGYEmuIvNN4Xy2mjb kmeAr4nh68pNCmWTOUCi/LXvuh8tThb9q9d3GUG2Tsfz2ZTXv+m0cGzA7mtnTPHXW6JY IGwGGT3iOAQjCvRF//DLYdxUSwxSJEBrWZVEI= Received: by 10.142.199.16 with SMTP id w16mr321077wff.206.1221036365939; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.33.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm9995610wfg.9.2008.09.10.01.46.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C78947.5070907@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:45:59 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Coffee? (OT) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 10:46:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7895a75491234514069 Found via ffffound.com's newsfeed, the image at the following link is something that, if it actually existed, I thought would find a few purchasers here on the list: http://ffffound.com/image/ce8382e770383e37290a600b1707dc309b074974 Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 10:49:37 2008 Received: (qmail 5550 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 08:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 08:49:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C9FC3590; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:49:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:49:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.232]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17660C3980 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:49:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2092199rvb.29 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:49:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=9L0ZyTRYy1IRGD7vc5qbftzhKWI4WE+meRjJU9rQiwI=; b=PzsfGYv8QHKVOhzsC7ngtO+h9NVN6k4IoVOcK9e84s4fQcPIkL7ODF0wZvJGTKSRBB 9KyIqnaEHjtTtED80eroVCrzCPsETVClItZQLIN+H/UK48MQNh7y/Iiy6AWEovECyb7x nxtlKC4oGaNLN5cwbCduCq9InUQtQjm2ocYGc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Nn4rfdIAHKjbxFCmOZ3UIFDO5AHuhzevKk7CBVR7q4m6c2FT0+PfkN+nGxSOzkj4Dn yzXqXcz9JZHn/eilSepubPb4eS0jadoJ2Cgt+hSQ7KS/uwPEEe8Dx0sYJjm1xdSgAL0Z uXCLmm9j9Svy1neB56dEp44jOlFZYMv1GPWQ0= Received: by 10.141.128.19 with SMTP id f19mr564086rvn.257.1221036562283; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.153.11 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080809100149u41e18bdcrc219090767171a2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:49:22 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] New EKTAR Film provides finest grain of any color negative film MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 10:49:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c78a21225225368819438 September 9, 2008 Kodak continues to champion professional photographers and set new standards in professional film with the new KODAK PROFESSIONAL EKTAR 100 Film. This new film -- with ISO 100 speed, high saturation and ultra-vivid color -- offers the finest, smoothest grain of any color negative film available today. "Photography has always been about capturing a moment or story and sharing it, with just a few or with the world," said Mary Jane Hellyar, President of Kodak's Film, Photofinishing & Entertainment Group. "It is often the smallest details that mark the difference between a good photograph and one that stands out and becomes memorable. With our new EKTAR 100 Film, we've created a film that helps the photographer capture unprecedented detail in remarkably vivid color. This film continues a Kodak tradition of providing photographers with the highest quality films that expand the range over which they can create outstanding images." EKTAR 100 Film is the ideal choice for commercial photographers and advanced amateurs for applications such as nature, travel, fashion and product photography where the emphasis is often on color. The new film incorporates KODAK VISION Motion Picture Film Technology to achieve its unparalleled fine grain. It's perfect for photographers who prefer the ease of working with 35mm, and who look for extraordinary enlargement capability when scanning and printing. Kodak will host a panel at Photokina, entitled "Pro Photography: What's Film Got to Do With It," featuring professional international photographers Pep Bonet, Amy Postle, Eddie Soloway, and Det Kempke and moderated by Prof. Dr. Rolf Sachsse. This diverse group of photographers will expound on how film, including the new EKTAR 100 Film, fits into their work and photography. Photokina, the largest imaging exposition and trade show in Europe, opens September 22 in Cologne, Germany. In addition to the discussion, Kodak's booth will showcase images that these photographers have captured using the EKTAR 100 Film. The new KODAK EKTAR Films will be available worldwide beginning in the U.S. and Canada beginning in October, 2008, and in all other regions beginning in November, 2008. --- Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 10:55:09 2008 Received: (qmail 21070 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 08:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 08:55:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16704C3588; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:54:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:54:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.232]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B42C2F01 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:54:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2094002rvb.29 for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080809091713x1a046c1l9cadc1f1dae0efba@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 10:55:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c78b6d254121591313764 Sony also launches ZA 16-35/2.8 lens:- http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08090901sony_sal1635za_sal70400.asp There is fully cover 16~200mm F2.8 with SSM as C & N. --- Michael 2008/9/10 Michael Wong > http://www.dpreview.com/previews/SonyDSLRA900/ > > # 24.6 MP 35mm format full-frame CMOS sensor (highest res in class) > # SteadyShot INSIDE full frame image sensor shift stabilization (world > first) > # High Speed Dual Bionz processors > # Eye-level glass Penta-prism OVF, 100% coverage, 0.74x magnification > # 9 point AF with 10 assist points, center dual-cross AF w/2.8 sensor > # 5 frames per second burst, newly developed mirror box > # Intelligent Preview Function > # 3 User programmable custom memory modes on mode dial > # Advanced Dynamic Range Optimizer (5 step selectable) > # 40 segment honeycomb metering > # 3.0" 921K pixel Photo Quality (270 dpi) LCD display, 100% coverage > # Direct HDMI output > # ISO 200-3200 (ISO 100-6400 expanded range) > # User interchangeable focusing screens (3 options) > # CF Type I/II and MS slots, LI-ION battery, STAMINA 880 shots > # Weight 850g (without battery, card, accs) > > > > --- > Michael > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 11:06:50 2008 Received: (qmail 7331 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 09:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 09:06:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79943C30C2; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:06:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:06:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CB9C278A for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:06:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KdLeo-0000j7-2q for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:06:38 -0700 Message-ID: <19409474.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:06:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Loudon To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New EKTAR Film provides finest grain of any color negative film In-Reply-To: <60f983080809100149u41e18bdcrc219090767171a2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Nabble-From: listadr@gmail.com References: <60f983080809100149u41e18bdcrc219090767171a2@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: listadr@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 11:06:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c78e2a116298512572685 I still miss Ektar 25. Hope this new stuff lives up to the press release. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/New-EKTAR-Film-provides-finest-grain-of-any-color-negative-film-tp19409233p19409474.html Sent from the Olympus Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 11:37:33 2008 Received: (qmail 24136 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 09:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 09:37:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022C4C296D; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:37:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:37:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.228]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E758C2BF0 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:37:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2107516rvb.29 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:37:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=2jy/9Ci+tJE9nCSQk7a5mgIJSSqEdhoL61Grh+LYwr0=; b=wIE5qdd+o+z4EDgMbzI/yqMoIWNlTjn8+Vnm1FGm9nA3BNF52f6wtTZqgtBhE7KxMv OsMC5teV6NcCfxgU5i6UFZenxCofnO68JXV2LG6m7M62WipaO0WVv3nioYUpneuIeSaZ weMo2EFjK5dGvDzHMjvj1Kk0lpn69GHAbkJQM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=u1jA5cc/eQnbFtZAoo/pGQhL/8GJXTu7fMR1wZK5+dpK2Dx97fps0WCvjqR/lWVMAd JJv35eRJtwXOOXLIzaEiyc0M74AMRmIE4nj80Yb1zJ0ZjkLrgolTA6ly5ojZR9DkJfYl OTkv0LfKuxG3+fGu3jqZhXNcvLUa5T4hwdfII= Received: by 10.141.171.6 with SMTP id y6mr618944rvo.84.1221039439435; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.153.11 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080809100237o4a08b859s5395554519900ae8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:37:19 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New EKTAR Film provides finest grain of any color negative film In-Reply-To: <19409474.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080809100149u41e18bdcrc219090767171a2@mail.gmail.com> <19409474.post@talk.nabble.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 11:37:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7955d248091529615919 Unfortunately, I entered film's world lately. I lost many excellent films which are discontinued. My private, I wish to re-production for those excellent films. Especially low ISO films :-) I enjoy film shooting very much. I don't mind to pay more if I can afford it. The most important, excellent/good films available, excellent/good developer available. I love films. --- Michael 2008/9/10 Jim Loudon > > > I still miss Ektar 25. Hope this new stuff lives up to the press release. > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/New-EKTAR-Film-provides-finest-grain-of-any-color-negative-film-tp19409233p19409474.html > Sent from the Olympus Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 11:53:51 2008 Received: (qmail 994 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 09:53:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 09:53:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F27C2DBF; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:53:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:53:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E758C2AC3 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:53:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26202 invoked by uid 518); 10 Sep 2008 09:53:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20080910095338.26201.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:53:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 69.216.175.61 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 11:53:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7992f246761591313764 If you have no choice you have no choice. XD cards have no built-in controller. The capacity of the card is built into the camera and limited to its technology. CF and SD cards have built-in controllers and card capacity evolves with the technology of the card and not the camera. That's why an 8 GB limit on the E330 is a big surprise to me. That limit should not be there when using CF cards. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Moose > Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > Sent: Sep 10 '08 04:02 > > chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > >  ... XD cards are a different kettle of fish.  Just don't buy them. > >   > That would make t-he F10, F30 and many other Oly and Fuji caimeras into > n small doorstops. > > C. F. Moose SD SDHC xD > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 13:37:19 2008 Received: (qmail 22452 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 11:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 11:37:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5ECEC2FA0; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:37:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:37:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F059C2FFC for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:37:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:37:05 -0400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:37:05 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <840068DAB04942AC9A753087539A8DD4@user4fec106f50> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions Thread-Index: AckSyczmcLf1emsYQNiVEdFNgteCeAAbfztw References: <840068DAB04942AC9A753087539A8DD4@user4fec106f50> From: "Walters, Martin" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2008 11:37:05.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D05C900:01C91339] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mwalters@NRCan.gc.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 13:37:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7b16f112931234514069 Dave: Thanks for that info. Looked at mine last night. Suspect that it's older than the one pictured in the link provided by Moose. Mine has a simple round window for the film counter, a plain sight (no glass) but the "brilliant" finder mounted on the lens. Mine has the Nettar 105/6.5 lens with a Telma shutter, so one of the base models. From another link I found, managed to find the serial number: F9705, imprinted in the leather on the back, but hidden beneath the viewfinder - really, really hard to see. Martin -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of David W Bell Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:17 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions Nettar 515/2 round shutter face and also515/2 art deco style hex shutter face 6x9 folder with Novar or Nettar lens. Also with Tessar Possibly Gauthier shutter. Date from 1934 - 41 per McKeowns Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walters, Martin" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: [OM] Partially OT - Old cameras and questions > > Wandering through an antique cooperative in Geneva (NY) over the Labour > Day weekend, I came across a Zeiss Ikon Netta 515/2 for a modest price. > Couldn't leave it there, could I? Everything seems to be working/intact, > though the black paint has seen better days. Don't know very much about > this camera other than it's the "cheap" version of an Ikonta. Articles > on the web suggest immediately pre-war, though there are subtle > differences between the various model photographs. I've looked all over > for a serial number or something that might indicate its age. Nothing > visible. Can anyone shed any light? > > Now the on-topic stuff: Also just picked up a nice MIOJ 35 IV on Eb*y > for a very reasonable price. Everything works, leather and chrome in > great condition and came with case and cap. Without a film in it, I > haven't figured out is how the manual film wind works - or, how to > rewind the film for that matter. Can't find instructions anywhere on the > web. Any ideas? > > Oh, yes. The list seems to be working OK, even if there haven't been > many posts some days. > > Martin > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 13:40:42 2008 Received: (qmail 24526 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 11:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 11:40:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0E7C3657; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:40:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:40:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF22C34ED for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:40:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:40:30 -0400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Coffee? (OT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:40:30 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48C78947.5070907@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Coffee? (OT) Thread-Index: AckTIbHv+q613NnWS/2NQL4WL5x6WQAGCW3Q References: <48C78947.5070907@gmail.com> From: "Walters, Martin" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2008 11:40:30.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[072F96C0:01C9133A] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mwalters@NRCan.gc.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 13:40:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7b23a327651234514069 I suppose you can also plug it in to keep the coffee warm (and the figures on the ring are for setting the temperature!) Martin -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of montsnmags@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:46 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Coffee? (OT) Found via ffffound.com's newsfeed, the image at the following link is something that, if it actually existed, I thought would find a few purchasers here on the list: http://ffffound.com/image/ce8382e770383e37290a600b1707dc309b074974 Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 14:00:29 2008 Received: (qmail 14070 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 12:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 12:00:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B27C3000; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:00:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:00:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C83B0C2EDE for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:00:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2150952rvb.29 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:00:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=LXSL2afd1KVDVHajnSUJNJAnbQdDlvSG9dnN5dO16/8=; b=uagtsyIrjmwuZmUpoMflRi4ufBbDt+5cInE3+WVc/Xjyn4FeurdYe3FPfdftHTV+wb v/X01VSU3uo28tixaw6LgcEtS0DPIw/VAanehwZLycaIqfKUvbw9Obwo18zzKEH4M+zo YIBUJzw1Ah3/zEe8LhYk9YOyBbucLC8xwnCeI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=W35p89c0FTt+lVKHTizzmPyzCojlLWMLUpFBYHf3FMsUV905tGo/uA7r7fh1p55OYL fGHKsbrt0imeNxrnsL9nRhbb43p+wZ2UyVBH+k458OVHWm5V2AK70hRdNpb9JdaLTR7y mXKGOp2e3h2GzMDBG+uUZAXBq5YLxzqAnzvpc= Received: by 10.141.123.4 with SMTP id a4mr702531rvn.172.1221048014914; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.153.11 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080809100500i1e8e697dvd3b3d6f468236f14@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:00:14 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Rolleiflex TLR shots at Hong Kong Park MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 14:00:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7b6dd125791869477228 Some shots with Rolleinars (Close up filter set), Kodak E100vs, Canon 8800F http://www.michaelphotography.net/HKPark_by_RolleiflexT_20080901/index.html First time try macro shots with close up filter of Rolleinar, the result is pretty good. One of benefits is no slower shutter speed is required, much convenient than shot with extension tube. --- Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 14:21:08 2008 Received: (qmail 26147 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 12:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 12:21:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FFEC3135; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:20:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:20:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3E8C3541 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:20:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K6Z00B67BMJDSH2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:20:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:20:52 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: test In-reply-to: <100-1d66c648-26208.015@comkal.net> To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-id: <48C7BBA4.300@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B34922.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> <48B697F9.5010504@verizon.net> <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> <100-1d66c648-26208.015@comkal.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 14:21:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7bbb435534673671140 Okay, constipated servers somewhere? For more than a week, NO list mail. Today, 40 pieces. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Ian Manners wrote: > Hi John, > > Yes, its still here, and working, well, for quite a few of us :-) > Others seem to have a problem :-( > > Cheers > Ian Manners > (Note, replied to both John and the list) > (PS, I prefer a list :-) > > On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:01:23 -0400, olympus@ml.free.fr wrote: > >> This is a test, wondering if the list still exists. >> >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> > I used to have a handle on life, then it broke. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 14:21:47 2008 Received: (qmail 19006 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 12:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 12:21:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92467C2955; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:21:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:21:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3630DC27DA for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:21:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K6Z00GVKBNX5ZE6@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:21:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:21:42 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: test In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48C7BBD6.9090602@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B34922.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> <48B697F9.5010504@verizon.net> <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 14:21:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7bbdb289831946193717 ....heavy.... ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Andrew Fildes wrote: > Nothing exists - I thing Moose said so. > It's all gone black. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 09/09/2008, at 10:01 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > >> This is a test, wondering if the list still exists. > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 15:02:59 2008 Received: (qmail 13034 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 13:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 13:02:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279CCC3AA4; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:02:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:02:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC4EC3B6B for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:02:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K6Z00BFKDKH20QB@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:02:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:02:50 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: old buildings In-reply-to: <48C6EE52.7000406@interisland.net> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48C7C57A.1060309@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48C6EE52.7000406@interisland.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 15:02:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7c58220241838542571 Very nice series. Too many to mention but I really like "Cabin in Christmas Valley". ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Mike wrote: > Thanks for the comments so far. I made a few changes. Link to index page. > > > >> There used to be another old house off the North side of the road near there. Kind of back toward a >> canyon. ... > Yep. I think it is still there but would require some time to set up for > the photo and get the right light as it's down off the road. Just > haven't hit it at the right time yet. By the way, that general store in > Fossil is great! >> Would you mind sharing the details of the equipment used for these nice >> photos? Camera(s), lens(es), film(?). ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 15:33:34 2008 Received: (qmail 16253 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 13:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 13:33:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391CCC3A2F; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:33:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:33:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0A5C3656 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:33:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so1344793yxj.89 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:33:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ac1SYBw7OkyaixanGsAO2h+7k2PFtZtupOVp/Tx4dz0=; b=fCoDsQ2KrynGRtDfRVkcCdGK6BrD/nE5lFdsiEsRKBrp6Q7mO+JCUbSottOJDs8RUn ugkoorzG8JTiSpDfctI/VKP1J+0VhHyr7MJNmqFlP762S6UgUUOgM/L9X8x0rSoikjnF bYXykKv7QtQs8sh9WVKPX76AL+CFOrPhmRwJc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=kYbYSFOSV/xhqjJXFFmiEMB5dQixjJxuKfR96T0ovOJSXO3IaACTJJvHv5OxVEAJP9 iZfdj4VPw09nB1ejaWR9USeHsnn0lozcqYlo4JOxnOQ+Hnb98qkym50tiUkE8nMQrcAa OsLEkxEY4LkvVwFtpXbHh1ugx2cpDV9oKTYz4= Received: by 10.86.59.2 with SMTP id h2mr956638fga.40.1221053600532; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.29.1 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0809100633i5e314830kd66acbec2e4808a7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:33:20 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rolleiflex TLR shots at Hong Kong Park In-Reply-To: <60f983080809100500i1e8e697dvd3b3d6f468236f14@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080809100500i1e8e697dvd3b3d6f468236f14@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 15:33:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7ccae319331234514069 On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Michael Wong wrote: > Some shots with Rolleinars (Close up filter set), Kodak E100vs, Canon 8800F > http://www.michaelphotography.net/HKPark_by_RolleiflexT_20080901/index.html > > > First time try macro shots with close up filter of Rolleinar, the result is > pretty good. One of benefits is no slower shutter speed is required, much > convenient than shot with extension tube. > > > > --- > Michael > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 15:35:42 2008 Received: (qmail 20141 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 13:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 13:35:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF94C38EE; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:35:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:35:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C7BC3020 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:35:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so429537ywt.89 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:35:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=1gnIDOLJN1ueBV9ghMX3MPBuXKSYwYlDBju4EQ72dY0=; b=Ula+e4RGgmJq3UY+0oDGX2V1L+KXO5QXCaudGuu+qD8wf86pjP/Pix975zjevVbe+p fa5HGbAH49eansEvgnTSa4dOFonwDtY8b4EIMh4QcPbZjPKsCybosGUOcbE/GCA7huQ5 QkA8q9mprZ3Tt6lCSIFctSQ5ckPRBgNDEDoRM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=tDu+kuGFP80MUMw/laxXZb6NXjugKJSKoTbPrjsrkOCB8vju4yiX9mga0blNrg0kaW Q6WV3M20ekqoKqy9FRgZ6jYckmIvE9GRUyAND4J6uP9ZPbp4+CEPU0abVH67kp63MEDq At6M5pXAfUv9REngthybdA7+b59cw9wkCQ4g4= Received: by 10.86.95.20 with SMTP id s20mr937064fgb.65.1221053728461; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.29.1 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0809100635r365c10d2g9560dd9a44505020@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:35:28 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rolleiflex TLR shots at Hong Kong Park In-Reply-To: <60f983080809100500i1e8e697dvd3b3d6f468236f14@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080809100500i1e8e697dvd3b3d6f468236f14@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 15:35:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7cd2e210921591313764 Very nice images Michael. I'm having trouble getting them to display in full frame though. If I click on a thumbnail, the image appears to the right, but it is cut off on the right side with no apparent way to drag it into full view. Charlie On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Michael Wong wrote: > Some shots with Rolleinars (Close up filter set), Kodak E100vs, Canon 8800F > http://www.michaelphotography.net/HKPark_by_RolleiflexT_20080901/index.html > > > First time try macro shots with close up filter of Rolleinar, the result is > pretty good. One of benefits is no slower shutter speed is required, much > convenient than shot with extension tube. > > > > --- > Michael > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 15:45:53 2008 Received: (qmail 1659 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 13:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 13:45:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1F8C38F1; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:45:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:45:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.123]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B9748C3800 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:45:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 82640 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2008 13:45:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=4X4EPfF2gMcGu4kikatUUzv0Uma8VKSdH9dSw+aGbg9oAfixVcS+MJAswBGqH0kCoNninO5//dkvD4YzTNIUldpF1UV8iYYRVaPwl0/gbEwyPOOKQr7YZ8zNsk+yh11F0/B9H/0+WpOIFiltljQU5R/Tx67iM3Xh62JFq39h92c=; X-YMail-OSG: zgJ65KMVM1kn7jeK3CSEjVzmFgj6siZ7ienI8LNTWXLRy5zVCirTMPgwqFWTrCGlsw-- Received: from [130.203.236.154] by web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:45:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1096.28 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Walker Subject: [OM] Re: 55mm F1.2 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <924015.81705.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: stephenpwalker@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 15:45:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7cf91260721744846740 And the OM-1 is a nice looking black non-MD. I don't need a film camera. I don't need a film camera. I don't need a film camera. Must not bid. Must not bid. Must not bid. Luckily, I'll be out of town and away from the internet when the auction ends. Or else temptation might get the best of me. ----- Original Message ---- From: Ian Manners To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:26:40 AM Subject: [OM] 55mm F1.2 The Boy, item=310082186791 Anyone want a 55mm F1.2 ? Includes an OM1 + 75-150mm No affiliation, just trying to stop bidding on everything. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ How can you tell Chairman Bill is lying? His lawyer's lips are moving. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 16:07:26 2008 Received: (qmail 15549 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 14:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 14:07:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AE9C2F28; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:07:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:07:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626CCC3088 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:07:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so14485941gxk.17 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:07:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=LfmMAuDjR6XQrLqyO2hDgjRVJA2e61gBIMkMXxI9tq0=; b=kyAR6s/zuCf+DIJjYz41bHxImxYNDN0Y3wUnRme0M0ZcFZ+060eZ2j6IkMEseOegMy 9RzjK0EvXLyJKaXBlD/jfYyJ6FGZ2roq5OBxZqWU53UCWpuyCm2DTilCrtct7TsZDPqy l/i6OU3AVtPQgQjlU8jvQfX+Funw6c2bgRFcQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Ov3JLA6EqqmfF8d8zBuYX5eu9TO5403DmfkNw3Aft02ActX0mQXxJms+UODZRronWL NIKz8bv/GVBpG5ziFF6XA61G+gO8w5r3tT9x0HQrO3u0OY5HRCEyA9MQ9HPlJiL/QnxA v6DtTs4WdSsVNLxkMOX4qBqkoA1jlSFfSgnQQ= Received: by 10.90.32.18 with SMTP id f18mr1503466agf.109.1221055633775; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:07:13 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: test In-Reply-To: <48C7BBA4.300@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B34922.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> <48B697F9.5010504@verizon.net> <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> <100-1d66c648-26208.015@comkal.net> <48C7BBA4.300@verizon.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 400a6df0648b54e2 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 16:07:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7d49e50311993019900 >Okay, constipated servers somewhere? For more than a week, NO list >mail. Today, 40 pieces. What this list needs is a good enema. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 16:07:37 2008 Received: (qmail 28952 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 14:07:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 14:07:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C501BC3088; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:07:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:07:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692DDC2D44 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:07:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KdQLn-00038R-00; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:07:19 -0400 Message-ID: <48C7D48B.5020007@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:07:07 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Cc: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: test References: <8CAD46BEA7928C0-1028-35B@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <48B34922.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> <48B697F9.5010504@verizon.net> <48C66593.2050900@verizon.net> <100-1d66c648-26208.015@comkal.net> <48C7BBA4.300@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48C7BBA4.300@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080909-0, 09/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 16:07:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7d4a9176029347015869 John, No problem here - messages coming through steady on my e-mail. Jim Couch John Hermanson wrote: > Okay, constipated servers somewhere? For more than a week, NO list > mail. Today, 40 pieces. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 16:11:59 2008 Received: (qmail 18525 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 14:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 14:11:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010CCC355C; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:11:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:11:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.179]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B7BC319D for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:11:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so564752ele.8 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:11:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=LHEMQyA/Rdvu53QLsSd6LRV5MqcKuc0Cds6XZcbhuKc=; b=SDF0nrcwbY6kguUs5twYOBjvRyw94CYu1tMy1TIrQ/ontiw7tv2hLhaEkNJR8wO5Zm Bf5ml+1YzzEvmM5+2ijqgvuGoBGuhqmDqJ/PmGtr6GcHWvTAUF3FUTPaEZZ0Z8q+Vdfx SnY56P7ayBZ4ZfPIexElldNwBctVoNWqSD5CI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ThtYHIse3NrmXxabY1W7dWhgxNqGR1DZrIxfrdKakzTaoEg6ZaqsuSiz7XYJ8uvPcH 2V1g58GZ2Le2lRl3MOKl19JD83nU0K3NEnXVyt4zP12nwKX3rBsUobeuONYjQ8If1muw M3xkLrA+PPYTfWkBgC1xoNyz9rtL9le4sDS0c= Received: by 10.90.80.18 with SMTP id d18mr1525134agb.92.1221055906830; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:11:46 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coffee? (OT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48C78947.5070907@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0a3e5af0b11c50ec X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 16:11:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7d5af203441744846740 Can anybody tell if it is the decaffinated "anti-shake" model. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 16:40:47 2008 Received: (qmail 122 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 14:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 14:40:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38F5C3507; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:40:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:40:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FB0C33BB for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:40:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2200045rvb.29 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:40:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5R3ZZTkZDzIrlxJiOrgB1VCngGCMeYkNDcKfBfD0VOo=; b=I5KjheSfxwklyDjOCmsncEP6X2Sv7PdSab9hgB9aIiGzXf4p2gml0LpMv+NGwDTrhi ivSKLSY3x0GktFyEj6TXb1lSXMqzYFXNBHpVNWfMOuuJEC3dFGciGcJfrLMOXwxUMqyv C7hvdpPe97T/fhvkbJ4/c0aVT3Azn5Q5F36t8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=W6Xd2E/Bg2mPHlGTIUR4CDhoGuEtanj+4tZMVK/Zi3L5bw2zPPB9IB+ZAiUyo6i7ff uSSiADalM0dJK7m/QNMuwZghoM/sk7n39lrd76628phir8+5W/aEn4Cq9JYpF0bMKQ1q xwMGu5MWgpz9Gj3OZ9rUWNTiJuRuncOFaXERk= Received: by 10.141.136.8 with SMTP id o8mr810299rvn.278.1221057633826; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.153.11 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080809100740g69c261b2sc911669f8d919c91@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:40:33 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rolleiflex TLR shots at Hong Kong Park In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0809100635r365c10d2g9560dd9a44505020@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080809100500i1e8e697dvd3b3d6f468236f14@mail.gmail.com> <14883a8b0809100635r365c10d2g9560dd9a44505020@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 16:40:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7dc6e270831823421471 Charlie, Thanks. I have tried that no scroll bar to drag if your browser is failed to display full image :-( I'm very sorry about it since I didn't notice it. The full images are below:- http://www.michaelphotography.net/HKPark_by_RolleiflexT_20080901/slides/RolleiflexT0054_Rolleinar3.jpg http://www.michaelphotography.net/HKPark_by_RolleiflexT_20080901/slides/RolleiflexT0055_Rolleinar3.jpg http://www.michaelphotography.net/HKPark_by_RolleiflexT_20080901/slides/RolleiflexT0058_Rolleinar2.jpg http://www.michaelphotography.net/HKPark_by_RolleiflexT_20080901/slides/RolleiflexT0059_Rolleinar3.jpg http://www.michaelphotography.net/HKPark_by_RolleiflexT_20080901/slides/RolleiflexT0062.jpg http://www.michaelphotography.net/HKPark_by_RolleiflexT_20080901/slides/RolleiflexT0063.jpg http://www.michaelphotography.net/HKPark_by_RolleiflexT_20080901/slides/RolleiflexT0064.jpg http://www.michaelphotography.net/HKPark_by_RolleiflexT_20080901/slides/RolleiflexT0065_Rolleinar1.jpg http://www.michaelphotography.net/HKPark_by_RolleiflexT_20080901/slides/RolleiflexT0067.jpg Hope it's helpful. --- Michael 2008/9/10 Charles Geilfuss > > Very nice images Michael. I'm having trouble getting them to display in > full frame though. If I click on a thumbnail, the image appears to the > right, but it is cut off on the right side with no apparent way to drag it > into full view. > > Charlie > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Michael Wong > wrote: > > > Some shots with Rolleinars (Close up filter set), Kodak E100vs, Canon > 8800F > > > http://www.michaelphotography.net/HKPark_by_RolleiflexT_20080901/index.html > > > > > > First time try macro shots with close up filter of Rolleinar, the result > is > > pretty good. One of benefits is no slower shutter speed is required, much > > convenient than shot with extension tube. > > > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 16:53:56 2008 Received: (qmail 30003 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 14:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 14:53:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C76C3184; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:53:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:53:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB771C2CFE for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:53:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K6Z00BHZIPJDFF2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:53:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:53:53 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question In-reply-to: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48C7DF81.4050408@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 16:53:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7df84233022070262475 I've had lots of trouble with xd cards. My wife and I rely on CF only. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > At 4GB and higher a CF card must be formatted as FAT32 vs FAT16. The > upper limits on FAT32 format are in the terrabyte range. If the > E-330 can't handle more than 8GB it has either been very poorly > implemented or has been deliberately crippled. I suspect the latter > as this simply shouldn't happen. XD cards are a different kettle of > fish. Just don't buy them. > > Chuck Norcutt > > >> -------Original Message------- From: Richard Ociepka >> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Sent: Sep >> 09 '08 20:43 >> >> Olympus states in the FAQ that up to 8 GB can be used. >> http://tinyurl.com/5w4d92 >> >> Dick >> >> Jon Mitchell wrote: >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> Quick question - does anyone know the limit on CF card size with >>> the e330 ? >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 18:39:07 2008 Received: (qmail 18022 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 16:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 16:39:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03A7C2C9E; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:38:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:38:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228D2C4291 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:36:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080910163654.ZUZW10791.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:36:54 +0100 Received: from user4fec106f50 ([81.99.10.243]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20080910163654.PWZK19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@user4fec106f50> for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:36:54 +0100 Message-ID: From: "David W Bell" To: References: <840068DAB04942AC9A753087539A8DD4@user4fec106f50> Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:36:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=y2DN55BY7coA:10 a=kT8g-CBbU8gA:10 a=UszyoWN4AAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=nHrkzv7yWuldRWEP4D8A:9 a=ZZYWFKUgIV2pE-KEIWABcS1jcgwA:4 a=ziFrdkHw70AA:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: david.w.bell@ntlworld.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 18:39:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c7f82b135501702588592 Do you have this link Martin? http://www.marriottworld.com/pieces/pieces23.htm Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walters, Martin" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions > > Dave: > Thanks for that info. Looked at mine last night. Suspect that it's > older than the one pictured in the link provided by Moose. Mine has a > simple round window for the film counter, a plain sight (no glass) but > the "brilliant" finder mounted on the lens. Mine has the Nettar 105/6.5 > lens with a Telma shutter, so one of the base models. From another link > I found, managed to find the serial number: F9705, imprinted in the > leather on the back, but hidden beneath the viewfinder - really, really > hard to see. > > Martin > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of David W Bell > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:17 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions > > > Nettar 515/2 round shutter face and also515/2 art deco style hex shutter > face 6x9 folder with Novar or Nettar lens. Also with Tessar Possibly > Gauthier shutter. Date from 1934 - 41 per McKeowns > > Dave > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walters, Martin" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:48 PM > Subject: [OM] Partially OT - Old cameras and questions > > >> >> Wandering through an antique cooperative in Geneva (NY) over the > Labour >> Day weekend, I came across a Zeiss Ikon Netta 515/2 for a modest > price. >> Couldn't leave it there, could I? Everything seems to be > working/intact, >> though the black paint has seen better days. Don't know very much > about >> this camera other than it's the "cheap" version of an Ikonta. > Articles >> on the web suggest immediately pre-war, though there are subtle >> differences between the various model photographs. I've looked all > over >> for a serial number or something that might indicate its age. Nothing >> visible. Can anyone shed any light? >> >> Now the on-topic stuff: Also just picked up a nice MIOJ 35 IV on Eb*y >> for a very reasonable price. Everything works, leather and chrome in >> great condition and came with case and cap. Without a film in it, I >> haven't figured out is how the manual film wind works - or, how to >> rewind the film for that matter. Can't find instructions anywhere on > the >> web. Any ideas? >> >> Oh, yes. The list seems to be working OK, even if there haven't been >> many posts some days. >> >> Martin >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 20:13:19 2008 Received: (qmail 12500 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 18:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 18:13:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E831AC36A5; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:13:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:13:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.64]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B268CC3E7C for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:13:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 32978 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2008 18:13:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=N82ELqisWNz+WDOVFiYk7T8AE7SPaPdXnhQBagQ/iCV3BuTrgOxANsuVyl5bLYEW9bVtfYji3EjAJ7zYgzMx7S9QlDxjUNxuKn+6C9UEWEG8FoeQLXgaNdJhWZV7Thiw3gIyp9gBfy1c/dwE1F5lSdnCKSxzfSXNzzJMskfyklE=; X-YMail-OSG: uMZc76UVM1llDgT7QoFCm2ePvnzH_yl9EIoYIDEn0PgxPU6g59Xp5PIz2GCmyAbtCA-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:13:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:13:05 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <202102.32092.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 20:13:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c80e3f232201585427447 You could also contact WW Umbach. He provides repair on Zeiss. He is the John H. for Zeiss. Although I am not sure what his limitations are. I have had Contaflex's repaired in the past. May be able to provide info. Here is contact info: W.W. Umbach. Z-V Service. P.O. Box 754 / 1410 Seafarer Drive. Oriental, North Carolina 28571. 919-249-2576 (chk area code) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walters, Martin" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:37 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions > > > > > > Dave: > > Thanks for that info. Looked at mine last night. > Suspect that it's > > older than the one pictured in the link provided by > Moose. Mine has a > > simple round window for the film counter, a plain > sight (no glass) but > > the "brilliant" finder mounted on the lens. > Mine has the Nettar 105/6.5 > > lens with a Telma shutter, so one of the base models. > From another link > > I found, managed to find the serial number: F9705, > imprinted in the > > leather on the back, but hidden beneath the viewfinder > - really, really > > hard to see. > > > > Martin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > > Behalf Of David W Bell > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:17 PM > > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > > Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and > questions > > > > > > Nettar 515/2 round shutter face and also515/2 art deco > style hex shutter > > face 6x9 folder with Novar or Nettar lens. Also with > Tessar Possibly > > Gauthier shutter. Date from 1934 - 41 per McKeowns > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Walters, Martin" > > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:48 PM > > Subject: [OM] Partially OT - Old cameras and questions > > > > > >> > >> Wandering through an antique cooperative in Geneva > (NY) over the > > Labour > >> Day weekend, I came across a Zeiss Ikon Netta > 515/2 for a modest > > price. > >> Couldn't leave it there, could I? Everything > seems to be > > working/intact, > >> though the black paint has seen better days. > Don't know very much > > about > >> this camera other than it's the > "cheap" version of an Ikonta. > > Articles > >> on the web suggest immediately pre-war, though > there are subtle > >> differences between the various model photographs. > I've looked all > > over > >> for a serial number or something that might > indicate its age. Nothing > >> visible. Can anyone shed any light? > >> > >> Now the on-topic stuff: Also just picked up a nice > MIOJ 35 IV on Eb*y > >> for a very reasonable price. Everything works, > leather and chrome in > >> great condition and came with case and cap. > Without a film in it, I > >> haven't figured out is how the manual film > wind works - or, how to > >> rewind the film for that matter. Can't find > instructions anywhere on > > the > >> web. Any ideas? > >> > >> Oh, yes. The list seems to be working OK, even if > there haven't been > >> many posts some days. > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> > >> > >> ============================================== > >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > >> ============================================== > >> > > > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 20:40:14 2008 Received: (qmail 27907 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 18:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 18:40:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F703C4086; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:40:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:40:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC647C27A0 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:40:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-gx0-f20.google.com with SMTP id 13so15306968gxk.17 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:40:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zwUX2ihzvNiikE2sB98BsS7/hwEWlohHW2jZ9wkvk7k=; b=Z25DR2F4+D16+IPhYKn/xfNungW3//vHH5MZFhlNilJKfyldSfW3J27+UQd8nHrQ3K vK1TsWWQkiL9RpOeEUOfIA4/Wg0pbwQP4on19QyLI9WvPz4wrz3nbfEx5Tt2ct2ttrPe wVtArfhXHG9D98oMp2I1Ew6LofOdawFkc+Gmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=h+wYvCVMwQwibpHV9oH/LAwMflyDTtx2maD0dhqxBVlBHR0kvXki7uIydtKURTjuL/ CWI3Q0fIrL1Em2l2YlLsKojazL6lgmljOf/DrW1h2EosjdNa0gy1bS7sFivtzwT1I0KK LPDE25nJ3XACjslQ/mZ5mwBiz/1UsY9DtnB5M= Received: by 10.90.119.20 with SMTP id r20mr1874454agc.83.1221072000633; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.115.5 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:40:00 -0700 From: "Warren Kato" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New EKTAR Film provides finest grain of any color negative film In-Reply-To: <60f983080809100149u41e18bdcrc219090767171a2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <60f983080809100149u41e18bdcrc219090767171a2@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wkkato@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 20:40:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8148e284951257536491 I was wondering what Kodak was up to since Oly dumped them for Panny. I don't think that they sell many sensors other than for their own camera. There is the M8 and some Med Format sensors but that's about it. What is their return on all their R&D money? Scary. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 21:16:44 2008 Received: (qmail 9141 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 19:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 19:16:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18862C39C6; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:16:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:16:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BC3C3973 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:16:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:16:32 -0400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:16:31 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <202102.32092.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions Thread-Index: AckTcOpol+2M18ZFTrW2GH4awVvIFQACFWwQ References: <202102.32092.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Walters, Martin" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2008 19:16:32.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBD57970:01C91379] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mwalters@NRCan.gc.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 21:16:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c81d1c239178512572685 Thanks for that contact. I'm in no hurry to collect more Zeiss cameras. I have a couple of Oly ones to work on first. This was strictly a spur-of-the-moment purchase. However, I may put some film through it to see what happens. Dave: Thanks for the Marriott link - that was one I had seen. Martin -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of AS Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:13 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions You could also contact WW Umbach. He provides repair on Zeiss. He is the John H. for Zeiss. Although I am not sure what his limitations are. I have had Contaflex's repaired in the past. May be able to provide info. Here is contact info: W.W. Umbach. Z-V Service. P.O. Box 754 / 1410 Seafarer Drive. Oriental, North Carolina 28571. 919-249-2576 (chk area code) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walters, Martin" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:37 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and questions > > > > > > Dave: > > Thanks for that info. Looked at mine last night. > Suspect that it's > > older than the one pictured in the link provided by > Moose. Mine has a > > simple round window for the film counter, a plain > sight (no glass) but > > the "brilliant" finder mounted on the lens. > Mine has the Nettar 105/6.5 > > lens with a Telma shutter, so one of the base models. > From another link > > I found, managed to find the serial number: F9705, > imprinted in the > > leather on the back, but hidden beneath the viewfinder > - really, really > > hard to see. > > > > Martin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > > Behalf Of David W Bell > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:17 PM > > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > > Subject: [OM] Re: Partially OT - Old cameras and > questions > > > > > > Nettar 515/2 round shutter face and also515/2 art deco > style hex shutter > > face 6x9 folder with Novar or Nettar lens. Also with > Tessar Possibly > > Gauthier shutter. Date from 1934 - 41 per McKeowns > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Walters, Martin" > > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:48 PM > > Subject: [OM] Partially OT - Old cameras and questions > > > > > >> > >> Wandering through an antique cooperative in Geneva > (NY) over the > > Labour > >> Day weekend, I came across a Zeiss Ikon Netta > 515/2 for a modest > > price. > >> Couldn't leave it there, could I? Everything > seems to be > > working/intact, > >> though the black paint has seen better days. > Don't know very much > > about > >> this camera other than it's the > "cheap" version of an Ikonta. > > Articles > >> on the web suggest immediately pre-war, though > there are subtle > >> differences between the various model photographs. > I've looked all > > over > >> for a serial number or something that might > indicate its age. Nothing > >> visible. Can anyone shed any light? > >> > >> Now the on-topic stuff: Also just picked up a nice > MIOJ 35 IV on Eb*y > >> for a very reasonable price. Everything works, > leather and chrome in > >> great condition and came with case and cap. > Without a film in it, I > >> haven't figured out is how the manual film > wind works - or, how to > >> rewind the film for that matter. Can't find > instructions anywhere on > > the > >> web. Any ideas? > >> > >> Oh, yes. The list seems to be working OK, even if > there haven't been > >> many posts some days. > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> > >> > >> ============================================== > >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > >> ============================================== > >> > > > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 22:08:34 2008 Received: (qmail 22394 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 20:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 20:08:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93BE7C34E8; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:08:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:08:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145E6C3478 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:08:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.20] (really [74.75.80.44]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20080910201317.EBDY21416.mta10.adelphia.net@[192.168.2.20]> for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:13:17 -0400 Message-ID: <48C82936.3080304@roadrunner.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:08:22 -0400 From: Richard Ociepka User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question References: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C7DF81.4050408@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48C7DF81.4050408@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ociepka@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 22:08:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c82942202185368819438 xD cards do not like cut and paste or have the files deleted by your computer. Copy files then format the card in the camera and you shouldn't have any problems with them. Dick John Hermanson wrote: > I've had lots of trouble with xd cards. My wife and I rely on CF only. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 22:28:30 2008 Received: (qmail 18814 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 20:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 20:28:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F99C2F0E; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:28:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:28:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19485C2D3F for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:28:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so15604775gxk.17 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:28:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=hPYpNCKiruT1/0fNsKW+c0X/IOAse1duUCMteA0oMCs=; b=J3GWZx1jVDpfDMtDpDyi0CTZSLXJfOa0MEA17rKuL6+CcyjWx8zyQ1W6i/Fbwq7XCQ aDwuPTLD7//Ca4W7ziUWzlyOAOGD+IWdH7qd7c3R7+LIIC88zH3+sAtisF7tn9p3q/g6 GX0sLzQF8A9wNQi8hMPiNOfMxmHPI1MS39q3w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=rPvYXDeCtSXOxZYQ1hBckG7ovVerpzWXWYHPw0HA2GAfnbiNxKc2a18HzCwXnbia/f yfCXcL9b1c5onj2y9/AaaxTI8XyailoOy7D7Ac0G6A/14vVnAbZxOPZ3CxWP7sYqnraO ZABhjuRNs1XRZU8rCqry6xIaj0/ltD00qnK+c= Received: by 10.151.84.12 with SMTP id m12mr2747855ybl.11.1221078498738; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.203.14 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:28:18 -0400 From: "Amin Sabet" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Heads up - Great deal on E-3 and ZD 12-60 SWD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: asabet@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 22:28:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c82dee118082336821329 $1550.00 for like-new camera and lens kit http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/686232/ No affiliation with seller but the deal is excellent and seller seems legit. Regards, Amin ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 22:32:43 2008 Received: (qmail 7441 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 20:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 20:32:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B2AC36E4; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:32:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:32:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.64]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AB6AC2C2D for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:32:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 35422 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2008 20:32:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=XcE5V4jI/rYaM9bP+Vvbw4X3T3lpiJKAVJZQo28ylBFrVRfBVcRFftaAYYAIXnQjIuwdQipIY8Yt9IdSR3aJVOi/54+ikn5ntMaQ+3S42uuIoXs7Mej6q3umbou5yD+m7nS2M8HRNCTGrcWUdnGVaaISUqDDhT9EdLS87QDkp6o=; X-YMail-OSG: sBuPWgcVM1lqTh7Gqb49nCRcezDqpnx7lprHYMy71WX6qD.pzsvIwwJ5t0BUnCJKaKjRoVwJGxGIHsJY6bj7a5uT1r_U5TVqG4tsufc5elKA9yqFkkqojaGq2Jn8pHE- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:32:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:32:30 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Heads up - Great deal on E-3 and ZD 12-60 SWD To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <464581.32897.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 22:32:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c82eeb105561234514069 Saw that earlier! People must be nuts - buying a kit just for one trip. There is another guy wanting to trade his N*kon D200 for an Oly E-510 kit. He is a pretty nice guy. --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Amin Sabet wrote: > From: Amin Sabet > Subject: [OM] Heads up - Great deal on E-3 and ZD 12-60 SWD > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 4:28 PM > $1550.00 for like-new camera and lens kit > > http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/686232/ > > No affiliation with seller but the deal is excellent and > seller seems legit. > > Regards, > Amin > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 22:45:44 2008 Received: (qmail 29251 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 20:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 20:45:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC647C2FB7; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:45:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:45:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26088C32AE for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:45:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so15650763gxk.17 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:45:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=BIo5AVislr8uE48UvOEMzGQbW84YBwjjTrtHwkpJiFY=; b=TXxSEii6vpj4sswwR+F3+TiUvTR2wqS82FJmKcdZNEsozgpxzqHtokIu/XcI2EIlmO Q/u2rIDCsdvmDEFknEK7y/4VtLPIClk4AbQknehsZ7eQLdfyeWEPkUE2WYAcZoHPGq5b nWGTVXvmzdjAy+Rk8ZilLpAWwLgPL7d4yFReA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=DsieeXI4kueGArSykr/w577o6K2b6EY7UdMaUou2j8HApxPOWZhE/CDSyoOa21v2pZ cTI2ZsnBppvOsHlSMUSDw45InntebtIy7faBQ5/ArqvWHrL2mU104Wi+GI7MfUZoSdma TfuxJ5qqcNfx2Kk1JLtbQtCO+YcNGNyAbIziw= Received: by 10.151.112.3 with SMTP id p3mr2711209ybm.116.1221079531071; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.203.14 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:45:31 -0400 From: "Amin Sabet" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Heads up - Great deal on E-3 and ZD 12-60 SWD In-Reply-To: <464581.32897.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <464581.32897.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: asabet@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 22:45:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c831f8246631946193717 Another good deal here -> http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/686193 E-420 for $345 shipped and paypaled On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:32 PM, AS wrote: > > Saw that earlier! People must be nuts - buying a kit just for one trip. There is another guy wanting to trade his N*kon D200 for an Oly E-510 kit. He is a pretty nice guy. > > > --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Amin Sabet wrote: > >> From: Amin Sabet >> Subject: [OM] Heads up - Great deal on E-3 and ZD 12-60 SWD >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 4:28 PM >> $1550.00 for like-new camera and lens kit >> >> http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/686232/ >> >> No affiliation with seller but the deal is excellent and >> seller seems legit. >> >> Regards, >> Amin >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 10 22:58:30 2008 Received: (qmail 28655 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 20:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 20:58:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81DBC2D7C; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:58:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:58:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AD5C3A53 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:58:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.ccf.3c2f2134 (37049) for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB037-90b948c834e32cb; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:58:11 -0400 Received: from webmail-me15 (webmail-me15.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.207]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA013-5c4548c834d910c; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:58:01 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] New EKTAR Film provides finest grain of any color negative film Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:58:01 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 170.223.203.208 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 170.223.203.208 by webmail-me15.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.207) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:58:01 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAE19F0C31B762-ED4-524@webmail-me15.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 10 22:58:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c834f6203377350615338 Thanks Michael. Tracked down a smidge more data?on the Koduck web site.? Looks like it will be a "Velvia" of neg film with more exposure latitude.? Wonder how skin tones will be rendered.? They are replacing the UC 100.? Chuck used it on his OO shots.? It scans well and is quite saturated but skin tones are not bad??either.? I am not sure I am happy they canned that emulsion--still have some in the fridge. The Porta 160VC isn't too shabby either.? Seems odd to have all this new emulsion activity.? Haven't even tried the new new Portra 400vc yet. Mike http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/ektar/qAndA.jhtml?id=0.2.26.14.5.14.14&lc=en ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 00:01:54 2008 Received: (qmail 31023 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 22:01:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 22:01:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFFBC3558; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:01:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:01:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BDE6C33B9 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:01:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22034 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2008 22:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.153.194) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 22:01:28 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48C82936.3080304@roadrunner.com> References: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C7DF81.4050408@verizon.net> <48C82936.3080304@roadrunner.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:01:34 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 00:01:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c843d2131683675314703 Yeah - that's what we tell our high school photography students - don't delete in camera, transfer the images using a reader, format the card in camera when finished or before starting again. Even they don't have problems. And the average 16yo can usually come up with problems no-one could anticipate. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/09/2008, at 6:08 AM, Richard Ociepka wrote: > xD cards do not like cut and paste or have the files deleted by your > computer. > Copy files then format the card in the camera and you shouldn't > have any > problems with them. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 00:54:19 2008 Received: (qmail 28990 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 22:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 22:54:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB046C34A2; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:54:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:54:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D676C2893 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:54:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 29130 invoked by uid 502); 10 Sep 2008 22:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.207.154) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Sep 2008 22:54:03 -0000 Message-ID: <48C84FFF.8080306@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:53:51 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question References: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C7DF81.4050408@verizon.net> <48C82936.3080304@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <48C82936.3080304@roadrunner.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 00:54:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8501b144121499373980 Richard Ociepka wrote: > xD cards do not like cut and paste or have the files deleted by your computer. > Copy files then format the card in the camera and you shouldn't have any problems with them. > Exactly. Avoid ever deleting, writing, formating on anything but the camera and all is well on my Fujis with xD cards. I haven't found it necessary to reformat each time, I just do a Delete All. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 00:56:19 2008 Received: (qmail 13346 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 22:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 22:56:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520E3C2D6B; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:56:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:56:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD9DC342D for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:56:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.20] (really [74.75.80.44]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20080910230424.FAMR7747.mta9.adelphia.net@[192.168.2.20]> for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:04:24 -0400 Message-ID: <48C85088.7040604@roadrunner.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:56:08 -0400 From: Richard Ociepka User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question References: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C7DF81.4050408@verizon.net> <48C82936.3080304@roadrunner.com> <48C84FFF.8080306@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48C84FFF.8080306@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ociepka@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 00:56:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c85093200197927319144 Moose wrote: > > > I haven't found it necessary to reformat each time, I just do a Delete All. Any reason not to format? Dick ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 01:11:22 2008 Received: (qmail 25725 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2008 23:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 23:11:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3E4C321F; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:11:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:11:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id A0ABEC31D0 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:11:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 4053 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2008 23:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.153.194) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 23:10:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48C85088.7040604@roadrunner.com> References: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C7DF81.4050408@verizon.net> <48C82936.3080304@roadrunner.com> <48C84FFF.8080306@gmail.com> <48C85088.7040604@roadrunner.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <35DDFFD2-0C14-42A7-9D3B-857FCF2C4F45@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:11:06 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 01:11:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8541a65351993019900 Indeed - if you're going to wipe it, then why not really clean it. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/09/2008, at 8:56 AM, Richard Ociepka wrote: > Moose wrote: >> >> >> I haven't found it necessary to reformat each time, I just do a >> Delete All. > > Any reason not to format? > > Dick > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 03:11:48 2008 Received: (qmail 21384 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 01:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 01:11:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4732BC2CFD; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:11:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:11:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5DBC32DE for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:11:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25722 invoked by uid 502); 11 Sep 2008 01:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.190.166) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Sep 2008 01:11:35 -0000 Message-ID: <48C87044.5050209@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:11:32 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question References: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C7DF81.4050408@verizon.net> <48C82936.3080304@roadrunner.com> <48C84FFF.8080306@gmail.com> <48C85088.7040604@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <48C85088.7040604@roadrunner.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 03:11:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c87054160177350615338 Richard Ociepka wrote: > Moose wrote: > >> I haven't found it necessary to reformat each time, I just do a Delete All. >> > > Any reason not to format? In theory, I believe so, as an interrupted format is a bigger mess than an interrupted delete. In practice, probably not. It's been so long since I needed to remember that low level stuff. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 04:28:00 2008 Received: (qmail 20821 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 02:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 02:27:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC090C2FB3; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:27:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:27:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DEBC32AD for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:27:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30807 invoked by uid 518); 11 Sep 2008 02:27:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20080911022746.30806.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New EKTAR Film provides finest grain of any color negative film Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:27:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 208.33.237.116 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 04:28:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c88230141831993019900 Consumer cameras aren't the only market for sensors. Kodak has lots of different sensors for sale. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Warren Kato > Subject: [OM] Re: New EKTAR Film provides finest grain of any color negative film > Sent: Sep 10 '08 18:40 > > > I was wondering what Kodak was up to since Oly dumped them for Panny. > I don't think that they sell many sensors other than for their own > camera.  There is the M8 and some Med Format sensors but that's about > it.  What is their return on all their R&D money?  Scary. > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 04:30:49 2008 Received: (qmail 32359 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 02:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 02:30:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E18DC2C13; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:30:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:30:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9587C3564 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:30:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080911023035H01000daipe>; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:30:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <5420549786B4438BBF4243D82F33FFA7@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C7DF81.4050408@verizon.net> <48C82936.3080304@roadrunner.com> <48C84FFF.8080306@gmail.com> <48C85088.7040604@roadrunner.com> <48C87044.5050209@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:30:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 04:30:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c882d9215971234514069 Moose, Richard, One of the advantages on Elements 6.0 is its image acquisition software. When I connect my cameras to a USB port and identify them as a data source, the software starts up, allows me to choose a file name and location for the images, and, after acquiring the images, asks me whether or not to delete the images from the camera. I normally choose "yes" and the camera card is cleared of images. I have not formatted a card since I initially formatted them when the cameras were new. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:11 PM Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > Richard Ociepka wrote: >> Moose wrote: >> >>> I haven't found it necessary to reformat each time, I just do a Delete >>> All. >>> >> >> Any reason not to format? > In theory, I believe so, as an interrupted format is a bigger mess than an > interrupted delete. In practice, probably not. > > It's been so long since I needed to remember that low level stuff. > > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 04:34:16 2008 Received: (qmail 32585 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 02:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 02:34:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642FBC3006; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:34:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:34:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE65AC340B for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:34:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2428 invoked by uid 518); 11 Sep 2008 02:34:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20080911023404.2427.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:34:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 208.33.237.116 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 04:34:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c883a840941234514069 It's not clear what each individual camera is doing (and Oly is obviously doing it wrong with CF cards on the E-330) but a full format (vs quick format) should fully write and read back the directory and each data sector to validate the data and mark bad sectors if found. Whether *your* camera does all that stuff properly is an open question. But it most certainly *doesn't* do it if you only erase images. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Moose > Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > Sent: Sep 11 '08 01:11 > > Richard Ociepka wrote: > > Moose wrote: > >   > >> I haven't found it necessary to reformat each time, I just do a Delete All. > >>     > > > > Any reason not to format? > In theory, I believe so, as an interrupted format is a bigger mess than an interrupted delete. In practice, probably not. > > It's been so long since I needed to remember that low level stuff. > > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 04:35:59 2008 Received: (qmail 10294 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 02:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 02:35:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C0FC371D; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:35:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:35:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980BFC3791 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:35:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3434 invoked by uid 518); 11 Sep 2008 02:35:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:35:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 208.33.237.116 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 04:35:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8840f282381702588592 I consider that total course of action as bad... not good. Works fine until it doesn't work fine. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Jim Nichols > Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > Sent: Sep 11 '08 02:30 > > > Moose, Richard, > > One of the advantages on Elements 6.0 is its image acquisition software. > When I connect my cameras to a USB port and identify them as a data source, > the software starts up, allows me to choose a file name and location for the > images, and, after acquiring the images, asks me whether or not to delete > the images from the camera.  I normally choose "yes" and the camera card is > cleared of images. > > I have not formatted a card since I initially formatted them when the > cameras were new. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moose" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:11 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > > > > Richard Ociepka wrote: > >> Moose wrote: > >> > >>> I haven't found it necessary to reformat each time, I just do a Delete > >>> All. > >>> > >> > >> Any reason not to format? > > In theory, I believe so, as an interrupted format is a bigger mess than an > > interrupted delete. In practice, probably not. > > > > It's been so long since I needed to remember that low level stuff. > > > > > > Moose > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 04:56:59 2008 Received: (qmail 32304 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 02:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 02:56:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F2CC37EC; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:56:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:56:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [204.127.217.102]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28A7C34D4 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:56:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20080911025644H02000ulove>; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:56:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:56:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 04:56:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c888fb180871993019900 Chuck, I guess it is just a question of the value one places on his images. I am strictly an amateur, and it would not kill me to lose a few images. I never have more than 30 to 40 images on a card at one time. I just feel that the simplest approach is best for me. I do a weekly backup of critical data on my computer, but have never found justification for reformating those hard drives, either. The area that is now giving me trouble is learning all that is required to prepare DVD+RW disks for my recorder in order to capture analog TV shows for later viewing. After two false starts, I finally got a timed recording to work correctly tonight. Now I must see what I run into when it tells me to "Make Compatible" for use in a DVD player, and then I will probably have to "unfinalize" the disk and reformat it to use it again. Before my last VCR began acting up, life was certainly simple. Not any more! Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:35 PM Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question >I consider that total course of action as bad... not good. Works fine >until it doesn't work fine. > > Chuck Norcutt > > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: Jim Nichols >> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question >> Sent: Sep 11 '08 02:30 >> >> >> Moose, Richard, >> >> One of the advantages on Elements 6.0 is its image acquisition software. >> When I connect my cameras to a USB port and identify them as a data >> source, >> the software starts up, allows me to choose a file name and location for >> the >> images, and, after acquiring the images, asks me whether or not to >> delete >> the images from the camera. I normally choose "yes" and the camera card >> is >> cleared of images. >> >> I have not formatted a card since I initially formatted them when the >> cameras were new. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Moose" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:11 PM >> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question >> >> >> > Richard Ociepka wrote: >> >> Moose wrote: >> >> >> >>> I haven't found it necessary to reformat each time, I just do a >> Delete >> >>> All. >> >>> >> >> >> >> Any reason not to format? >> > In theory, I believe so, as an interrupted format is a bigger mess >> than an >> > interrupted delete. In practice, probably not. >> > >> > It's been so long since I needed to remember that low level stuff. >> > >> > >> > Moose >> > >> > ============================================== >> > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> > ============================================== >> > >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 05:01:27 2008 Received: (qmail 31494 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 03:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 03:01:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735C9C28B9; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:01:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:01:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11652C3794 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:01:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E403B314045 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F011314027 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C889FF.40505@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:01:19 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: old buildings Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080910-0, 09/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 05:01:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c88a0738001744846740 I forgot to ask how the Album looked on various screen resolutions. I'm running 1200x1600 4:3 so it fits with room to spare. Notebooks and those with short squatty screens, aka widescreens, maybe not so good. I'm thinking to downsize the thumbs so they all fit on a small page . How about the image size of 600x800? Is that too big? Thanks for the comments so far. It helps a lot. 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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:37:16 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.8.210.208 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nsurit@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 24.8.210.208 by WEBMAIL-NG06.sysops.aol.com (207.200.84.84) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:37:16 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAE1D6D20B3098-988-2250@WEBMAIL-NG06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: nsurit@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 05:37:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c89283179785368819438 Looks like Ike may be paying us a visit in the next few days.? I'll be cutting a?trip to Denver a few days short.?Headed back to Houston in the AM.?This isn't a complaint as these are the times we have the opportunity to keep the promises we made to folks when they bought insurance from us.? If you don't see me popping in and out of the discussions for a few months, you will know it is because of taking care of business.? Hope my absence, if it occurs, is not as protracted as Joel's.? He is still trying to get his life back together after the terrible flood he experienced.?? Bill Barber ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 05:59:50 2008 Received: (qmail 1259 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 03:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 03:59:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0D8C31EF; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:59:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:59:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AF3C3173 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:59:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.238]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8B3xGDF020988 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:59:16 +1000 Message-Id: <200809110359.m8B3xGDF020988@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.236]) by webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:59:16 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:59:16 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 05:59:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c897b6246161838542571 > Jim Nichols wrote: > > > I do a weekly backup of critical data on my computer, but have never > found > justification for reformating those hard drives, either. > Yes, good point, the file system on the hard drive and the file system on your memory card should be very similar and have similar relability. If the memory card needs to be reformatted regularly then there is something very wrong ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 06:17:36 2008 Received: (qmail 18488 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 04:17:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 04:17:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D553C362C; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:17:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:17:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA0FC33DC for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:17:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so102481wah.17 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:17:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=15VUtjuLX/RIXmMS6Fu87YJ1aOwTxBzCW6mtVt9EIMc=; b=P2aeimI0vI0ZImrQStl5H56zkqHAufm0SCqy79dpJQqn0zDP8/1Uu+IPbHIhRO0l5A jVrNgYkEIrj5Szowy3GulMLcYjUDK8UBo7N+4FfjvaTLrF64PF0HhFxUgkXF2bF8UdPt icVMjvny7FSHnPU5IcGNOLAn8UjK9PKOQ6c/s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XJ5HglZdJtR5K9tC+HrxRnMGnzquPFXPNLlgHq9h8QYxsKJGKv4DWoHgCNQ5fF/mVO UnhyK1Z7sSoT/2BS8HUlt8exxJQRJk7ve6G3UsQCaWVKcjjhQkmqr+PJmv1UW2PZ390F 0a0Ik4CQywpc8sxeFh7qmXmehUDd8l4GvNYV8= Received: by 10.114.74.18 with SMTP id w18mr1533962waa.125.1221106643607; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.33.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d20sm9551837waa.37.2008.09.10.21.17.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C89BC8.4000002@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:17:12 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question References: <200809110359.m8B3xGDF020988@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200809110359.m8B3xGDF020988@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 06:17:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c89be0241545368819438 Wayne Harridge wrote: > Yes, good point, the file system on the hard drive and the file > ... system on your memory card should be very similar and have > similar relability. A question: why would the EOS 10D in-camera formatting of a card (1GB CF) take a second, but the Oly 770SW in-camera formatting of a card (2GB xD) take...well, possible a couple of minutes (I don't know precisely - I just start it and let it do its thing while I do something else). Would this be analogous to the difference between a format and a "quick format" of a hard disk? Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 06:24:44 2008 Received: (qmail 21617 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 04:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 04:24:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4ECC3823; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:24:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:24:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA932C2F34 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:24:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14493 invoked by uid 502); 11 Sep 2008 04:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.1.133) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Sep 2008 04:24:31 -0000 Message-ID: <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:24:26 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 06:24:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c89d8c115721585427447 Jim Nichols wrote: > ... > > The area that is now giving me trouble is learning all that is required to prepare DVD+RW disks for my recorder in order to capture analog TV shows for later viewing. After two false starts, I finally got a timed recording to work correctly tonight. Now I must see what I run into when it tells me to "Make Compatible" for use in a DVD player, and then I will probably have to "unfinalize" the disk and reformat it to use it again. > > Before my last VCR began acting up, life was certainly simple. Not any more! > How about a DVR? far more convenient to use than a VCR, instead of less so. Or something like this, if you want to do the capture on your computer remote from the TV. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 06:41:52 2008 Received: (qmail 12403 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 04:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 04:41:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE49C4007; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:41:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:41:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5227BC3558 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:41:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23765 invoked by uid 502); 11 Sep 2008 04:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.167.34) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Sep 2008 04:41:15 -0000 Message-ID: <48C8A166.4030505@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:41:10 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question References: <200809110359.m8B3xGDF020988@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> <48C89BC8.4000002@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48C89BC8.4000002@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 06:41:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8a190285681744846740 montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > Wayne Harridge wrote: > >> Yes, good point, the file system on the hard drive and the file system on your memory card should be very similar and have similar relability. >> Not mechanically/electrically the same, and the file system may be different. I don't know about Apple, but assume it's file system is perfect. ;-) Recent versions of windows have abandoned FAT systems in favor of NTFS, a more reliable system. Flash memory has a failure rate with use. Cards with built-in controllers, such as CF and SD(HC) have firmware that stores data in such a way as to even out usage. So if you only ever use less than 50% of your card's capacity, the usage of individual physical storage locations will all be about equal. The firmware also automagically keeps track of individual memory location health and maps around those that go bad. HDs and flash memory are electro-mechanically wildly different and require different handling. >> A question: why would the EOS 10D in-camera formatting of a card (1GB CF) take a second, but the Oly 770SW in-camera formatting of a card (2GB xD) take...well, possible a couple of minutes (I don't know precisely - I just start it and let it do its thing while I do something else). Would this be analogous to the difference between a format and a "quick format" of a hard disk? >> I think the answer is probably implicit in what I wrote above. xD cards don't have a built-in controller, but rely on controller functions in the camera. A CF card camera need only tell the card to format, and it's all handled inside, over a fast internal bus - and involving the intermediary housekeeping firmware. An xD camera actually has to send all the individual, low level commands and read the responses from the card to do formatting. I assume it also might do some of the wear leveling functions, as well? Chuck's right that xD is a poor design. I was only pointing out that it works ok if one follows the rules and thus allows one to enjoy the benefits of a unique camera like your 770SW or my F30. There's nothing like either one that also uses CF or SD. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 06:46:06 2008 Received: (qmail 20532 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 04:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 04:46:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F302EC2F30; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:45:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:45:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D3FC3B81 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:45:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27683 invoked by uid 502); 11 Sep 2008 04:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.167.34) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Sep 2008 04:45:53 -0000 Message-ID: <48C8A27C.4070005@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:45:48 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: old buildings References: <48C889FF.40505@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48C889FF.40505@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 06:46:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8a28e23561585427447 Mike wrote: > I forgot to ask how the Album looked on various screen resolutions. I'm running 1200x1600 4:3 so it fits with room to spare. Notebooks and those with short squatty screens, aka widescreens, maybe not so good. I'm squishy at 1680x1050 and it all fits fine here. > I'm thinking to downsize the thumbs so they all fit on a small page . How about the image size of 600x800? Is that too big? > Seems fine to me as it stands. I usually size my album images to 840 width for landscape and 760 height for portrait formats, to accomodate wide screen formats. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 06:55:46 2008 Received: (qmail 11748 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 04:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 04:55:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F046EC387B; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:55:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:55:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902A8C3B68 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:55:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2052 invoked by uid 502); 11 Sep 2008 04:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.167.34) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Sep 2008 04:55:00 -0000 Message-ID: <48C8A4A0.9040901@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:54:56 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question References: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C7DF81.4050408@verizon.net> <48C82936.3080304@roadrunner.com> <48C84FFF.8080306@gmail.com> <48C85088.7040604@roadrunner.com> <48C87044.5050209@gmail.com> <5420549786B4438BBF4243D82F33FFA7@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <5420549786B4438BBF4243D82F33FFA7@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 06:55:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8a4d2322001838542571 Jim Nichols wrote: > Moose, Richard, > > One of the advantages on Elements 6.0 is its image acquisition software. When I connect my cameras to a USB port and identify them as a data source, the software starts up, allows me to choose a file name and location for the images, and, after acquiring the images, asks me whether or not to delete the images from the camera. This is not unusual at all. It's inherited from it's big brother, CS Bridge. Many viewing, editing and/or cataloging programs do the same thing. FastStone, BreezeBrowser, Picassa and MS Expression Media come immediately to mind, and I'm sure there are several others. > I normally choose "yes" and the camera card is cleared of images. > That might not be a wise choice with an xD card. I certainly wouldn't do it. 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( [203.214.33.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k14sm9618032waf.29.2008.09.10.22.09.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C8A7E8.6000809@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:08:56 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question References: <200809110359.m8B3xGDF020988@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> <48C89BC8.4000002@gmail.com> <48C8A166.4030505@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48C8A166.4030505@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 07:09:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8a808267561591313764 Moose wrote: >... > I think the answer is probably implicit in what I wrote above. xD > cards don't have a built-in controller, but rely on controller > functions in the camera. Thanks for that. It wasn't anything like I was expecting (as per my format and "quick format" part). Interesting. > ... > Chuck's right that xD is a poor design. I was only pointing out that > it works ok if one follows the rules and thus allows one to enjoy > the benefits of a unique camera like your 770SW or my F30. There's > nothing like either one that also uses CF or SD. Yes, the time has never bothered me. The 770SW was exactly what I was after for going anywhere, (literally) chucking around, chasing the dogs along the beach with, going into the surf with, slipping in the pocket at all times, washing off, and basically not handling with kid gloves. I've never been one to be all that concerned with counting the "wasted" seconds of my day, as I can usually "waste" the hours all by myself. :) Anyway, speaking of the 770SW, I think I'm going to buy one (or its current equivalent) for my brother and almost-sister-in-law for their house-warming/engagement present. I think it'll be good for them as they need the pocketability, they need the robustness, and they're beach-people too (and, trust me, sand gets in *every* crack, not just your own, at the beach). Also, since I've got one similar, they've got someone they can use as a "Help Desk". Cheers, Marc (whose old EOS 50E has a dial that reluctantly turns with a sandy crunch) Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 07:11:28 2008 Received: (qmail 2198 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 05:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 05:11:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D51C3A18; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:11:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:11:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [204.127.217.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A0DC2910 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:11:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080911051112H01000cqe5e>; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:11:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C7DF81.4050408@verizon.net> <48C82936.3080304@roadrunner.com> <48C84FFF.8080306@gmail.com> <48C85088.7040604@roadrunner.com> <48C87044.5050209@gmail.com> <5420549786B4438BBF4243D82F33FFA7@jimnichols> <48C8A4A0.9040901@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:11:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 07:11:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8a880268761234514069 Hi, Moose, You may well be correct. I do this with my Fuji F10, but don't use the camera very often since acquiring my E-510. It is very convenient, but could wind up causing a problem. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:54 PM Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Moose, Richard, >> >> One of the advantages on Elements 6.0 is its image acquisition software. >> When I connect my cameras to a USB port and identify them as a data >> source, the software starts up, allows me to choose a file name and >> location for the images, and, after acquiring the images, asks me whether >> or not to delete the images from the camera. > This is not unusual at all. It's inherited from it's big brother, CS > Bridge. Many viewing, editing and/or cataloging programs do the same > thing. FastStone, BreezeBrowser, Picassa and MS Expression Media come > immediately to mind, and I'm sure there are several others. >> I normally choose "yes" and the camera card is cleared of images. >> > That might not be a wise choice with an xD card. I certainly wouldn't do > it. > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 07:14:54 2008 Received: (qmail 18046 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 05:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 05:14:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C062C2E79; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:14:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:14:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EA8C365A for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:14:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13576 invoked by uid 502); 11 Sep 2008 05:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.195.45) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Sep 2008 05:14:41 -0000 Message-ID: <48C8A93B.5020009@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:14:35 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New EKTAR Film provides finest grain of any color negative film References: <8CAE19F0C31B762-ED4-524@webmail-me15.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CAE19F0C31B762-ED4-524@webmail-me15.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 07:14:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8a94e158001744846740 usher99@aol.com wrote: > Tracked down a smidge more data?on the Koduck web site.? Looks like it will be a "Velvia" of neg film with more exposure latitude. Wonder how skin tones will be rendered. > Drat! There goes another favorite Moose rant --- With color neg film, the results depend completely on what happens between the standardized processing and viewing as a positive image. A few years ago, I sent two rolls of the same film with similar subjects to two different Kodick processing options. I seem to recall it was 160NC. The prints from Koduck Royal service through a serious photo shop were relatively well balanced, with moderate contrast and saturation. Those sent to Koduck through a drugstore were entirely different, with high contrast, wildly blown highlights and shadows and color saturation that almost reached out, grabbed and shook me. With a standardized work flow, their films will perform as advertised relative to each other. With any auto color, contrast, exposure, etc controls set, they may or may not look very different from each other. If used as I generally do, with ICC color profiles, the color/tonal output is all very close to the same. The only difference is in the grain/accutance. > They are replacing the UC 100. Chuck used it on his OO shots. It scans well and is quite saturated but skin tones are not bad either. I am not sure I am happy they canned that emulsion--still have some in the fridge. > I have only one roll in the fridge. I'll bet the new film is mostly a renaming of the old one, with modest, incremental changes. If I recall correctly, UC100 was similarly related to Supra 100? > The Porta 160VC isn't too shabby either. Seems odd to have all this new emulsion activity. Haven't even tried the new new Portra 400vc yet. > I've got a roll of the intermediate-new in an OM-1, but not all used yet. I may need to get out more. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 07:22:26 2008 Received: (qmail 29975 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 05:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 05:22:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B1AC3A1A; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:22:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:22:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839EBC37B8 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:22:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17439 invoked by uid 502); 11 Sep 2008 05:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.188.223) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Sep 2008 05:22:12 -0000 Message-ID: <48C8AAF5.7040901@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:21:57 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question References: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C7DF81.4050408@verizon.net> <48C82936.3080304@roadrunner.com> <48C84FFF.8080306@gmail.com> <48C85088.7040604@roadrunner.com> <48C87044.5050209@gmail.com> <5420549786B4438BBF4243D82F33FFA7@jimnichols> <48C8A4A0.9040901@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 07:22:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8ab12249614673671140 Jim Nichols wrote: > Hi, Moose, > > You may well be correct. I do this with my Fuji F10, but don't use the camera very often since acquiring my E-510. It is very convenient, but could wind up causing a problem. > I had heard there was a problem when buying the F10, so I did some research. It appears that Fuji's are less fussy than Olys, possible something to do with Oly's special, panorama format - or just crummier formatting firmware. I think a simple erasure of all files on F10, et.al. is safe, but writing files or formatting can be trouble. Still, I keep it simple. One solution suggested for people with xD cards that their Oly digicams wouldn't recognize was to take them to a friend or shop and format them in a Fuji. Apparently that would often work, allowing the Oly to recognize and format them itself. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 07:31:29 2008 Received: (qmail 3507 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 05:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 05:31:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56ED7C3ADE; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:31:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:31:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B734BC3F99 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:31:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 165.red-83-38-119.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.38.119.165]:51818 helo=[192.168.2.104]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Kdelv-0002Ss-6Z (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:31:15 +0000 Message-Id: <41DAAF31-6A9B-4FEB-853E-1AB830AD71D0@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <464581.32897.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Heads up - Great deal on E-3 and ZD 12-60 SWD Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:31:13 +0200 References: <464581.32897.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 07:31:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8ad31113614673671140 That's the great thing about the Miranda forums. The people there do not take many pictures, but they always MUST have the latest and greatest. So there is a steady stream of used equipment in LN condition, especially Canon and Nikon stuff. Great place to buy. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:32 PM, AS wrote: > > Saw that earlier! People must be nuts - buying a kit just for one > trip. There is another guy wanting to trade his N*kon D200 for an > Oly E-510 kit. He is a pretty nice guy. > > > --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Amin Sabet wrote: > >> From: Amin Sabet >> Subject: [OM] Heads up - Great deal on E-3 and ZD 12-60 SWD >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 4:28 PM >> $1550.00 for like-new camera and lens kit >> >> http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/686232/ >> >> No affiliation with seller but the deal is excellent and >> seller seems legit. >> >> Regards, >> Amin >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 07:43:58 2008 Received: (qmail 10583 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 05:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 05:43:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6928C40DC; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:43:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:43:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C7E8C3F48 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:43:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080911054342H030027604e>; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:43:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:43:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 07:43:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8b01e65822046811720 Moose, My problem is evolutionary. Up until about six months ago, my wife and I used several VCRs to take care of our time-shifting needs. We like to watch recorded TV fairly late at night, and each has his/her own idea of what to watch. When "my" VCR died, no one offered a simple VCR as a replacement. I researched what was available and purchased a combination VCR/DVD recorder with a built-in tuner, and used the VCR side as I had done in the past. Then, recently, the tapes recorded on the 6-hour speed refused to track correctly when played. The 2-hour speed still works, but this won't get a football game for me. Consequently, I decided to buy a cheap DVD player for the family room TV to replace the old VCR player, and to learn to record on the readily available, but never used DVD side of my recorder. The reason I have not considered a DVR is that I record in one part of the house and play back in another. I have no interest in rewiring the house, or getting into some other exotic means of connectivity. Another complication is that our local power company will start offering fiber-to-the-premises phone/cable-tv/internet in a couple of months, and I may see what they have to offer. They may include a DVR in one of their packages. Tonight it worked perfectly, and, so far, it has only cost me $50 for a Sony DVD player. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:24 PM Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > Jim Nichols wrote: >> ... >> >> The area that is now giving me trouble is learning all that is required >> to prepare DVD+RW disks for my recorder in order to capture analog TV >> shows for later viewing. After two false starts, I finally got a timed >> recording to work correctly tonight. Now I must see what I run into when >> it tells me to "Make Compatible" for use in a DVD player, and then I will >> probably have to "unfinalize" the disk and reformat it to use it again. >> >> Before my last VCR began acting up, life was certainly simple. Not any >> more! >> > How about a DVR? far more convenient to use than a VCR, instead of less > so. > > Or something like this, if you want to do the capture on your computer > remote from the TV. > > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 11:27:35 2008 Received: (qmail 19039 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 09:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 09:27:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D2DC49DA; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:27:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:26:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D059C4341 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:26:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so241958rvb.29 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:26:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vZoSWPBiHBOkhLAdVK7uWcmspz9+QhTf48iB2poMK0k=; b=ItQBr4WK03VKsxBVBwO5LjpHwADU8crYksPcAFO86Qc+KCokuIrIad4VgL+eR8Mfuu BgKm682ehFfNcPP0TPoweGz03oxx7CmgNFwWN+aYcDwlrx9ZS6B1mGbjK2ddkjqvOKil d/6bfW1tp/+r84mosIez8H28pPNV2CGmUXngY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=SUYwIxBVqUQvR4bVBntDGoFLVK8n5pQlulz2G/2lQYKC9Sw8VsuNhXNINefixUWs5y JAdtgmwjrWsc+ezQWM1Gwph7ehtgdaESbkmdQadQYU7o3/73i5Ygaeka/znMGBQHj1La PxnrTiRI27FT+rXV6Vl5aQ3gZIS6uRdISYDBc= Received: by 10.141.34.12 with SMTP id m12mr1584707rvj.26.1221125181466; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.153.11 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080809110226g73d4e00awea3101673af18e86@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:26:21 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New EKTAR Film provides finest grain of any color negative film In-Reply-To: <8CAE19F0C31B762-ED4-524@webmail-me15.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CAE19F0C31B762-ED4-524@webmail-me15.sysops.aol.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 11:27:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8e487309801591313764 Mike, Welcome. The press is found at Kodak website as http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jhtml?pq-path=2709&pq-locale=en_GB&gpcid=0900688a8098c760&ignoreLocale=true There is no mentioned to replace which film or which one will be discontinued. I have never tried Ekar films, I miss HD200 I think it's an excellent ISO200 film. I hope it will be re-production again. --- Michael 2008/9/11 > > > Thanks Michael. > > Tracked down a smidge more data?on the Koduck web site.? Looks like it will > be a "Velvia" of neg film with more exposure latitude.? Wonder how skin > tones will be rendered.? > They are replacing the UC 100.? Chuck used it on his OO shots.? It scans > well and is quite saturated but skin tones are not bad??either.? I am not > sure I am happy they canned that emulsion--still have some in the fridge. > The Porta 160VC isn't too shabby either.? Seems odd to have all this new > emulsion activity.? Haven't even tried the new new Portra 400vc yet. > Mike > > > > http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/ektar/qAndA.jhtml?id=0.2.26.14.5.14.14&lc=en > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 11:29:48 2008 Received: (qmail 18645 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 09:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 09:29:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5910BC3BA5; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:29:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:29:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.236]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A99C3A97 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:28:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so242682rvb.29 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:28:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=gbOC8WkFJyS962w67hECn+mdbAFosTnZc/5QufgMTlA=; b=FUox9/n7pZf8um19zRfMcN7/T28IFCvl5bJCl+Gh60yOzR4mLA4rX8GC6pFRYsTUsN vM3Qx00qXWjNEIi5/AF6ndoc3TPcPvGhmJMSUx3vMJiFC1FoyfZPMlbcfgDSrqt3DWxy ssM+Q/HnOZT/TOXnq0AQLJkl5KEkkpjn6EpVw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=sxWxl5CxcIibqnL/byWdk4WGRBpD3WyxizmWMorHe7zyxs8CaYagqqvuaZqDdMMZ+A m6NkR28b5znYpKVwGayoGHYPzxgDIK/+1kikys5gLdjVM85U3p1gWVoN2WwZnIU52dXW VZXvpH3yS1EOG5FaMc44IkZ9irjEpxXYjKUts= Received: by 10.140.131.11 with SMTP id e11mr1578236rvd.153.1221125321754; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.153.11 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080809110228y3aac38f0hc9860dffdabf36e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:28:41 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New EKTAR Film provides finest grain of any color negative film In-Reply-To: <60f983080809110226g73d4e00awea3101673af18e86@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CAE19F0C31B762-ED4-524@webmail-me15.sysops.aol.com> <60f983080809110226g73d4e00awea3101673af18e86@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 11:29:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8e50c103311073733319 I heard there was an excellent negative film --- Ektar 25. Is there possible to re-production? I hope so. --- Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 11:37:02 2008 Received: (qmail 29148 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 09:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 09:37:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2D7C3F57; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:36:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:36:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.229]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA497C31DB for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:36:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so245147rvb.29 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:36:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=039Pbpu5bByAD3sjYN+xIBdUz8vv6d4zu7NP+h9kf0c=; b=hx/mJ7h9Md+RsBDYdgUSFIrF0WdevVlC/xPlv1eo3sZRh1ItbmzWzYfTacOo7ZgOqt UbkKoGsWM9i2ukOoIFvAFbhKTTzs8wirOiuANlKm/zXanTxQw/lzKkzcF8H+FlCEq2BG hdU33zIit5e1J0EuSwTjRtscyE52SnkMhztHk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=gLngcgHKTiPB9vLq+BATd/CUGq2KwfMOO0paxmXkFqjiiPcjt6BYN5HGoYRjDVadU7 uf/ys9crxFMpDt4B+2pbFcuW2bq80FJ7EDQlFKVGVnWRRs7LywvYpdu9uCBusaptp8ep vYV8PtVhBesUdMhVVj8RPrzdBFv6/VTgX+T5Q= Received: by 10.141.52.5 with SMTP id e5mr1592631rvk.10.1221125789237; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.153.11 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080809110236h66948796p19462af7d24038a7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:36:29 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] [WTB]B+W Bay 1 061 MC Green filter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 11:37:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8e6be296483675314703 For my Rolleiflex B&W shots. Anyone willing to sell your lovely filter, please contact me off the list, thanks. --- Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 12:13:17 2008 Received: (qmail 24717 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 10:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 10:13:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF489C2F4D; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:13:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:13:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mta15.adelphia.net (mta15.adelphia.net [68.168.78.77]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA55C28E2 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:13:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.20] (really [74.75.80.44]) by mta15.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20080911101116.BWCO9264.mta15.adelphia.net@[192.168.2.20]> for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:11:16 -0400 Message-ID: <48C8EF32.90802@roadrunner.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:13:06 -0400 From: Richard Ociepka User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question References: <20080910015244.7117.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C7DF81.4050408@verizon.net> <48C82936.3080304@roadrunner.com> <48C84FFF.8080306@gmail.com> <48C85088.7040604@roadrunner.com> <48C87044.5050209@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48C87044.5050209@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ociepka@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 12:13:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8ef3d320751823421471 >> Moose wrote: >>> >> Any reason not to format? > In theory, I believe so, as an interrupted format is a bigger mess than an interrupted delete. In practice, probably not. > > Moose Some of the research I have done on how to handle these cards indicate that format is best. And there are some recommendations not to format. For xD and SM cards formatting seems to be the safest. These cards are not as forgiving as CF and SD cards. Some say that formatting will eventually wear the card out. I have been formatting after every use and have never worn a card out yet. It is the times when I delete or drag and drop that I have had problems with xD and SM cards. When this happens I have had to format in another device other than the camera the card came out of. Sometimes I had to try different card readers or a different camera. With enough effort every messed up xD or SM card have been resurrected. I have also done this for other people with good success. It use to be that emails from Olympus tech support would contain a note suggesting that all memory cards be formatted after each use for trouble free operation. Dick ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 12:14:19 2008 Received: (qmail 18861 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 10:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 10:14:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE8EC315F; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:14:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:14:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.88]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B2A2EC2DDF for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:14:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 70239 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2008 10:14:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=vLGOGYWaONkTyDLSJAhyAmH8gZHcDCuxtCa2GvUAYtwaLyIZSWkUyJvyf2ZW7V5QlXmZT+TfnUOSQFysnUxEQFT6OzZ1gh+wKehPK/0ohn1nGuCWtB/4VB2ONblvYCZNuB4+cZR0GsKemmhMdkrX2QbbF5yasF167f7ebu18OF0=; X-YMail-OSG: xGLN1E4VM1mU.Eyh1xvIyTgQ1aEDOhgivP49pobYZH50C19vVHnNjgcu_ZRLUlqe4vRQcQd3N4VECpczUgB.RxUTzuYZgokecYFUkRgMoDX1l58s4bj_Zv9SJJmryoK4kxc- Received: from [86.163.212.169] by web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:14:07 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:14:07 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <8CAE1D6D20B3098-988-2250@WEBMAIL-NG06.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <559543.68073.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: john.duggan10@btinternet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 12:14:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8ef7b273123675314703 Bill. Take care. It seems you might be having a Very busy time in the next few weeks. Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK .......................................................................... > Date: Thursday, 11 September, 2008, 4:37 AM > Looks like Ike may be paying us a visit in the next few > days.? I'll be cutting a?trip to Denver a few days > short.?Headed back to Houston in the AM.?This isn't a > complaint as these are the times we have the opportunity to > keep the promises we made to folks when they bought > insurance from us ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 13:17:55 2008 Received: (qmail 27054 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 11:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 11:17:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D436EC3AE3; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:17:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:17:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194B1C3B62 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:17:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27417 invoked by uid 518); 11 Sep 2008 11:17:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20080911111736.27416.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:17:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 208.33.237.116 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 13:17:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c8fe6345789347015869 There is nothing special required. Just don't allow the computer to erase images. Always reformat the card but only in the camera. Cameras typically add file folders unique to that camera which is why there may be problems if the card is formatted in other than the camera it's to be used in. And one does not (normally) need to worry about reformatting hard drives periodically. Much different case but it would take me a long time to explain it all. It's also wise not to erase individual images in the camera. This normally doesn't cause any harm but if you ever need to use a data recovery utility after an accidental format (I did it once by picking up the wrong card) you will get all of your images back if you haven't erased selected images. If you have done erasures of selected images you will lose some of the non-erased images, recover some of the erased images and have other images corrupted. Don't worry about formatting wearing out your cards. Flash memory does "wear" by usage but modern flash cards should be good for a couple hundred thousand write cycles. Your camera's shutter will wear out first. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Jim Nichols > Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > Sent: Sep 11 '08 02:56 > > > Chuck, > > I guess it is just a question of the value one places on his images.  I am > strictly an amateur, and it would not kill me to lose a few images.  I never > have more than 30 to 40 images on a card at one time.  I just feel that the > simplest approach is best for me. > > I do a weekly backup of critical data on my computer, but have never found > justification for reformating those hard drives, either. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 14:15:10 2008 Received: (qmail 6652 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 12:15:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 12:15:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BABC284F; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:14:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:14:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3866C36EE for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:14:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7100BU260TDBV6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:14:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:14:53 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: repairs In-reply-to: <202102.32092.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48C90BBD.4090908@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <202102.32092.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 14:15:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c90bce286429347015869 Speaking of this, if anyone on the list is considering getting some OM work done, please keep me in mind. Turnaround is about 2 weeks. Things are getting a little slow as you can imagine. The active customer base just isn't what it used to be. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html AS wrote: > > You could also contact WW Umbach. He provides repair on Zeiss. He is > the John H. for Zeiss. Although I am not sure what his limitations > are. I have had Contaflex's repaired in the past. May be able to > provide info. > > Here is contact info: > > W.W. Umbach. Z-V Service. P.O. Box 754 / 1410 Seafarer Drive. > Oriental, North Carolina 28571. 919-249-2576 (chk area code) > > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 14:21:18 2008 Received: (qmail 557 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 12:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 12:21:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58EAC4337; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:20:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:20:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4138FC42EA for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:20:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Kdl9z-0007Mn-00 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:20:31 -0400 Message-ID: <48C90D01.2020806@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:20:17 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: repairs References: <202102.32092.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48C90BBD.4090908@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48C90BBD.4090908@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080910-0, 09/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 14:21:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c90d3e7151823421471 For any new comers to the list, John's work is excellent. I am sure my comments will be echoed by other's here, but John has serviced a number of my OM gear and the work has always been great - well worth it. Shooting with a CLA'd OM is a treat! Jim Couch John Hermanson wrote: > Speaking of this, if anyone on the list is considering getting some OM > work done, please keep me in mind. Turnaround is about 2 weeks. Things > are getting a little slow as you can imagine. The active customer base > just isn't what it used to be. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > AS wrote: > >> You could also contact WW Umbach. He provides repair on Zeiss. He is >> the John H. for Zeiss. Although I am not sure what his limitations >> are. I have had Contaflex's repaired in the past. May be able to >> provide info. >> >> Here is contact info: >> >> W.W. Umbach. Z-V Service. P.O. Box 754 / 1410 Seafarer Drive. >> Oriental, North Carolina 28571. 919-249-2576 (chk area code) >> >> > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 16:17:57 2008 Received: (qmail 14958 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 14:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 14:17:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C8BC3D0D; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:17:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:17:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03ADC3CE3 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:17:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KdmzQ-00042n-Nc for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:17:44 -0700 Message-ID: <19435853.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:17:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Loudon To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New EKTAR Film provides finest grain of any color negative film In-Reply-To: <60f983080809110228y3aac38f0hc9860dffdabf36e3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Nabble-From: listadr@gmail.com References: <8CAE19F0C31B762-ED4-524@webmail-me15.sysops.aol.com> <60f983080809110226g73d4e00awea3101673af18e86@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080809110228y3aac38f0hc9860dffdabf36e3@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: listadr@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 16:17:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c92895131701470116606 I have one 12-exposure roll of Ektar 25 left in the freezer. It will probably be used in an A/B test when the new film is released. I don't think we'll ever see another ISO25 color neg film. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/New-EKTAR-Film-provides-finest-grain-of-any-color-negative-film-tp19423015p19435853.html Sent from the Olympus Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 17:05:50 2008 Received: (qmail 19215 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 15:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 15:05:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C25C4126; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:05:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:05:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from twinlark.arctic.org (twinlark.arctic.org [208.69.40.136]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17526C2F7F for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:05:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13843 invoked by uid 554); 11 Sep 2008 15:05:34 -0000 Date: 11 Sep 2008 15:05:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20080911150534.13842.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> From: "Alan" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] FS E-3 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: atk@arctic.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 17:05:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c933ce253721234514069 I have for sale an E-3. It was purchased late Dec from B&H (can provide original receipt). No known issues. Asking $1100 but this is negotiable. I've sold a few items on the list before and a couple via photo.net (with a few references there). I'm in the SF area if you wish to take a look at the camera. Drop a note if interested. I also have a 12-60 and 55-200 (non swd). Intention was not to sell the lenses but will consider a package deal for all three items. Prefer to limit sale to USA. Drop a note if interested. Alan ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 17:08:20 2008 Received: (qmail 15916 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 15:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 15:08:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D01C28D4; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:08:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:08:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F2AC3A5B for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:08:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7100HZ3DUVS4C0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:04:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:04:07 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: repairs To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48C93367.2070302@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 17:08:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c93464247881585427447 I am very pleased that the Olympus Odyssey camera have made it so far around the world without problems. That's a torture test. John On 9/11/2008 8:20:17 AM, Jim Couch at home (zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com) wrote: > For any new comers to the list, > John's work is excellent. I am sure my > comments will be echoed by other's > here, but John has serviced a number > of my OM gear and the work has always been great - well worth it. > Shooting with a > CLA'd OM is a treat! > > Jim Couch > > John Hermanson wrote: > > Speaking of this, if anyone on the list is considering getting some OM > > work done, please keep me in mind. Turnaround is about 2 weeks. Things > > are getting a little slow as you can imagine. The active customer base -- ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 11 23:21:21 2008 Received: (qmail 11188 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 21:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 21:21:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE840C3675; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:21:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:21:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.122]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B53D5C33C1 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:21:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 70881 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2008 21:21:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Tb/ZGSqIsGlI9Ewelf7g+CBMQpVojWQTRKq8u2STEWUwgeh0Ecv4pj7ThunbsmFjOV/RXLIrFOg8Rlqm9dOcY+kUchWWls6Zk76K6Ya4JdxxWzhkquYWquhWoGaBCJhCffTsbGsikh0Zslx9YdWFYB9mfAidIefYPIOThOhrfK0=; X-YMail-OSG: j.yNuTMVM1l82AKclg23MH6YvvnkO75v.q89ctfU8FRXAwqvj.qJiJxhxHf8td5VynwHE09AVVSkvBXlZlJTz03abCWL4fTfvN_OyKQrJrcCh3JEK9JcJurf_RUYg704wj9QUo0lbCwPL_L.Z0ZCsjA- Received: from [130.203.236.154] by web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:21:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1096.28 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:21:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Walker Subject: [OM] New lightweight OM-1 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <602124.70711.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: stephenpwalker@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 11 23:21:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c98bd182117927319144 As light as a few sheets of paper, but you have to build it yourself. http://www.olympus-global.com/en/fun/wallpaper/camera/index.cfm?p=1&a=&q=&t= Olympus engineers must be having a really sloooow week because I can't see the point of this at all. Apparently if you answer a questionnaire you'll get the parts to turn your paper OM-1 into a M-1 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 01:32:43 2008 Received: (qmail 2484 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 23:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 23:32:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670DAC4685; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:32:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:32:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0E9C332B for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:31:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u3so342729tia.17 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:31:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8Sgr6GnV5Ozcdf+no3gVxPsObZ6S9457GZHmoZ5Txtg=; b=oYzQDF0XIhmpXOfaMWw58Mzs2PMACMk36XRw+8+DZRlfTd3oMM3TJ1BHvzxVt0tiTh LHGgel6L7QJiP9cA/YusF2dO6FAN+EQ3lGHhKOaIU+9+RjobXfA7L2h5kfW9WTZvhZpS vAqr1oJIlbZwp+xk0l8XIeaobrtOzhCMe/PWU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LEwbEs8RdxhIPI7Q5h1vggkaIriGC54BjVWUZNYVQZUjsW0/Vw7BLXmouSjch3K7pC hQ/6mIC+93CMP6IswPhyiF3PU6MNHRQW8QhsGF4elX12zMYeZps7QFzxVSPxo5GGVlNg 1SCTm/pQOqoJloQpoAz83kOvd9pnbAu/NssgA= Received: by 10.110.93.12 with SMTP id q12mr4228908tib.16.1221175889119; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.33.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a4sm2696161tib.2.2008.09.11.16.31.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C9AA44.30104@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:31:16 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: repairs References: <202102.32092.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48C90BBD.4090908@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48C90BBD.4090908@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 01:32:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c9aa9b20691023412894 John Hermanson wrote: > Speaking of this, if anyone on the list is considering getting > some OM work done, please keep me in mind. Turnaround is about > 2 weeks. Things are getting a little slow as you can imagine. > The active customer base just isn't what it used to be. On the premise that for some people up north when you say you're from "Australia" you might as well be saying you come "from a small planet in the vicinity of Betelgeuse", it's probably worth mentioning that people all over the world who know John's work, including people from as far away as a small planet in the vicinity of Betelgeuse, part with their beloved OMs to send them around the world to John for repair, or just a good lather, rinse and repeat (Clean, Lubricate and Adjust). That's gotta count for a fair whack of recommendation. I've yet to use his services, but it sure speaks volumes to me. That and that the Olympus Odyssey cameras went there to prepare for their unpredictable journeys amongst so many hands, couriers, conditions and thousands of miles. Just thought I'd mention, in case there are some newer folk here, or those browsing the archives or nabble, looking for a good reason. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 02:34:55 2008 Received: (qmail 5625 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 00:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 00:34:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE33C3C89; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:34:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:34:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00490C3369 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:34:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.cd4.3839b1fb (37559) for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB038-92b748c9b91c38c; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:34:36 -0400 Received: from FWM-M10 (fwm-m10.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.74]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA033-5c5548c9b915174; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:34:29 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New EKTAR Film provides finest grain of any color negative film Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:34:29 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.74) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:34:29 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAE28673D54D6D-116C-1F43@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 02:34:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c9b92f108222070262475 Hmmm, Good rants should be recycled now and again---I think I missed that one. All my print film goes to a reasonable good lab with a Frontier where they seem to pay close attention for the most part---or they know it will need to be re-done. (whether most of the images deserve this attention is another question) The "look" of the film reflecting the spectral sensitivities seems to come through with consistent processing. Processing variables have the ability to massively swamp these effects as you point out. Scanning and profiling eliminate most of the differences as you already demonstrated by skillfully processing my apple blossom macro shots taken with Portra 160 NC. The spectral sens curves for the 100 UC http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/e4035/f009_0586ac.gif do appear nearly identical to the HD200 which may have been a tweaked Supra 200 as best I can tell. The 100UC did seem much better to me and I suppose they did improve it significantly. I did get a couple keeper macro shots with the old-new Portra 400 VC. I hope the new-new is even better. The UC 400 didn't work well for me for macro at all. I suspect I won't have to forfeit my "I Agree With Moose" T-shirt quite yet. Mike Drat! There goes another favorite Moose rant --- With color neg film, the results depend completely on what happens between the standardized processing and viewing as a positive image. A few years ago, I sent two rolls of the same film with similar subjects to two different Kodick processing options. I seem to recall it was 160NC. The prints from Koduck Royal service through a serious photo shop were relatively well balanced, with moderate contrast and saturation. Those sent to Koduck through a drugstore were entirely different, with high contrast, wildly blown highlights and shadows and color saturation that almost reached out, grabbed and shook me. With a standardized work flow, their films will perform as advertised relative to each other. With any auto color, contrast, exposure, etc controls set, they may or may not look very different from each other. If used as I generally do, with ICC color profiles, the color/tonal output is all very close to the same. The only difference is in the grain/accutance. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 02:40:55 2008 Received: (qmail 5137 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 00:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 00:40:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD385C2C8B; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:40:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:40:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FF2C2C76 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:40:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (unknown [71.105.141.243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937C8D0503 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48C9BA88.3090902@jevb.tuffmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:40:40 -0700 From: "J. Van Brimmer" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New lightweight OM-1 References: <602124.70711.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <602124.70711.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 02:40:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c9ba97177709117217770 Stephen Walker wrote: > As light as a few sheets of paper, but you have to build it yourself. > > http://www.olympus-global.com/en/fun/wallpaper/camera/index.cfm?p=1&a=&q=&t= > > Olympus engineers must be having a really sloooow week because I can't see the point of this at all. Apparently if you answer a questionnaire you'll get the parts to turn your paper OM-1 into a M-1 > Cool! I always wanted an M-1. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 02:47:39 2008 Received: (qmail 4512 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 00:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 00:47:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA5DC3341; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:47:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:47:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55915C31CF for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:47:27 +0200 (CEST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=smy9dOPd2VKKTbZVBn9HIM7DfH6jUcjD0QxV+Za60tN6+vN9FDIKgXSIZtV4omuS; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.175.87.190] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kdwoo-0007dA-8l for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:47:26 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22008951204725830@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New lightweight OM-1 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:47:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da94039a2eea133a6f2faf40127383f79447d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.87.190 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jgettis81@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 02:47:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c9bc2b281777350615338 Me too in fact I have always wanted both the Camera and the gun, John > [Original Message] > From: J. Van Brimmer > To: > Date: 9/11/2008 9:40:43 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: New lightweight OM-1 > > Stephen Walker wrote: > > As light as a few sheets of paper, but you have to build it yourself. > > > > http://www.olympus-global.com/en/fun/wallpaper/camera/index.cfm?p=1&a=&q=&t= > > > > Olympus engineers must be having a really sloooow week because I can't see the point of this at all. Apparently if you answer a questionnaire you'll get the parts to turn your paper OM-1 into a M-1 > > > > Cool! 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( [203.214.33.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n40sm11463546wag.39.2008.09.11.18.49.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C9CA92.7000909@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:49:06 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New lightweight OM-1 References: <380-22008951204725830@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <380-22008951204725830@earthlink.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 03:49:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c9caaa261051342116753 jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > Me too in fact I have always wanted both the Camera and the gun... ...and the car. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 04:52:08 2008 Received: (qmail 27837 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 02:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 02:52:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65BBC27F4; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:51:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:51:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3EAC2E95 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:51:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE4D314061 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5240E314024 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C9D93F.1090401@interisland.net> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:51:43 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] 5D MKII Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080911-0, 09/11/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 04:52:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c9d958203465368819438 Sweet if true. http://www.eos-numerique.com/index.php?ind=news&op=news_show_single&ide=19 http://www.eos-numerique.com/forums/f11/exclusivite-eos-numerique-le-nouveau-5d-mark-ii-89968/ Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 06:46:10 2008 Received: (qmail 25903 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 04:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 04:46:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92CDC2C05; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:45:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:45:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EF2C2ADB for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:45:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26116 invoked by uid 502); 12 Sep 2008 04:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.191.10) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 12 Sep 2008 04:45:55 -0000 Message-ID: <48C9F3FB.2050207@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:45:47 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 06:46:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c9f412180037927319144 Jim Nichols wrote: > Moose, > > My problem is evolutionary. Up until about six months ago, my wife and I > used several VCRs to take care of our time-shifting needs. Much the same here. We use two VCRs and one VCR-DVD combo to time shift everything we watch > We like to watch recorded TV fairly late at night, and each has his/her own idea of what to watch. We also watch mostly late, but have pretty similar tastes, so watch together most of the time. > When "my" VCR died, no one offered a simple VCR as a replacement. I researched what was available and purchased a combination VCR/DVD recorder with a built-in tuner, and used the VCR side as I had done in the past. Then, recently, the tapes recorded on the 6-hour speed refused to track correctly when played. The Sony combo we bought seems to be a good DVD player, but the VCR side is clearly of poorquality and much less user friendly than the older Sony VCRs we have. > The 2-hour speed still works, but this won't get a football game for me. Consequently, I decided to buy a cheap DVD player for the family room TV to replace the old VCR player, and to learn to record on the readily available, but never used DVD side of my recorder. > Ah, my inexpensive combo doesn't record DVDs > The reason I have not considered a DVR is that I record in one part of the house and play back in another. I have no interest in rewiring the house, or getting into some other exotic means of connectivity. Since a DVR can record, often more than one program at a time, while also playing a program, there's no need to have separate record and play location. > Another complication is that our local power company will start offering fiber-to-the-premises phone/cable-tv/internet in a couple of months, and I may see what they have to offer. They may include a DVR in one of their packages. > They will certainly offer at least one DVR option. Basically, I think I've been wasting a bit of money by dithering about what to switch to from analog cable - digital cable, DirectTV or Dish. The solution would be simpler if my telco could offer fast DSL in my area. I think I'm going to have to wait until they restring for fiber here. Because of service bundling for lower rates, there is no ideal combination of function and price here at the moment. so I guess it's a good thing that all our tape machines are still working. :-) Now I only have to get up the energy to pull the guts out of the Mitsubishi 55" projection TV and replace the convergence ICs - ick. I'd like a plasma, but can hardly justify it when the M is an excellent TV and the parts to get it working in top form again are a $50 sunk cost. :-) Now where's that soldering iron and solder-wick got to? Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 07:10:05 2008 Received: (qmail 12997 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 05:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 05:10:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A3CC3B1D; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:09:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:09:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC16C2F5E for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:09:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 10875 invoked by uid 502); 12 Sep 2008 05:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.191.70) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 12 Sep 2008 05:09:48 -0000 Message-ID: <48C9F998.1070003@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:09:44 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New lightweight OM-1 References: <380-22008951204725830@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <380-22008951204725830@earthlink.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 07:10:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c9f9ad226622070262475 jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > Me too in fact I have always wanted both the Camera and the gun, John > Garand or carbine? As a non gun person, I almost never understand gun references. The M1 I do though. I became all too familiar with the Garand during boot camp, learning how to field strip, clean and throw it around in all the arms handling and presentation drills we had to learn. They also dragged us out to increase the lead content of a hill or two at Camp Parks, where it turned out I was a pretty good shot, besting all the guys boasting about their shooting prowess on the bus going there. Possible a fluke where the sheer mass of the thing threw them off? That rifle is sort of like a Nikon F2, you could beat people to death with it and it would still work fine with some more ammo. I also shot an M1 carbine with a friend and his father when younger. Certainly much lighter and easier to use. That covers two of the three guns I could name the I've ever shot, the Colt 1911 naturally being the other. No, I never saw a gun fired "for real" during my "career" in the Coast Guard. A ship I was on did fire a couple of hedgehogs at a buoy for target practice - and scared the crap out of the captain by almost hitting it. And some officers shot skeet off the fantail of a cutter out in the middle of the Pacific once. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 07:16:36 2008 Received: (qmail 24271 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 05:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 05:16:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E91C3B30; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:16:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:16:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91382C3D81 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:16:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14703 invoked by uid 502); 12 Sep 2008 05:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.191.70) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 12 Sep 2008 05:16:21 -0000 Message-ID: <48C9FB21.3080100@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:16:17 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 5D MKII References: <48C9D93F.1090401@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48C9D93F.1090401@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 07:16:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c9fb34212681585427447 Mike wrote: > Sweet if true. > > http://www.eos-numerique.com/index.php?ind=news&op=news_show_single&ide=19 Man, I don't know - double the pixel count? I was sort of hoping for something modest, maybe 18MP. Canon has shown considerable restraint in avoiding IQ deterioration as they have bumped up the MP count in their cameras. I hope they don't compromise the standout feature of the 5D. It would be a shame. If the rumors of high ISO performance of the A900 are true, the 5D Mk II will almost certainly give them some trouble. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 07:22:08 2008 Received: (qmail 4514 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 05:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 05:22:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D85C335B; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:21:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:21:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304DDC3676 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:21:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17781 invoked by uid 502); 12 Sep 2008 05:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.187.32) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 12 Sep 2008 05:21:42 -0000 Message-ID: <48C9FC57.2070600@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:21:27 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: repairs References: <202102.32092.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48C90BBD.4090908@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48C90BBD.4090908@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 07:22:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48c9fc80290185368819438 John Hermanson wrote: > Speaking of this, if anyone on the list is considering getting some OM work done, please keep me in mind. Turnaround is about 2 weeks. Things are getting a little slow as you can imagine. The active customer base > just isn't what it used to be. > Darn! I hoped the loss of Clint would at least mean you would stay nice and busy. I'll echo what many others have said over the years. John does really first class work at reasonable prices. I have an OM-1 he CLAed that's just butter smooth in operation and right on in exposure. I guess the time is here to get that OM-4 up to snuff. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 08:33:05 2008 Received: (qmail 8574 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 06:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 06:33:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1064C4234; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:32:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:32:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [204.127.217.103]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DEDC37F5 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:31:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080912063147H030025m5me>; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:31:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> <48C9F3FB.2050207@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:33:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 08:33:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ca0d2136941702588592 Moose, I did not realize the parallels in our lives. Good luck with the TV repair. We are true procrastinators. Our family room TV is a top of the line RCA monitor unit from around 1987. It had some component problems in its first few years, and I took it to an Electrical Engineer that I knew from work, and he made the necessary replacements. He had a similar set and knew all of its tricks. He and I both retired since his last repair, and he died a few years ago, but the old RCA just keeps on truckin'. My enclosure will accept a 32-inch LCD flat screen set, and my wife and I looked at some a few days ago, but, until the old set gives up the ghost, we will wait for the sets to improve in quality and come down in price. The pictures on the new sets on display are beautiful, but sure vary from set to set. As to the fiber to the home possibilities, I worry about the little things. I have some hearing loss from years of exposure to noisy wind tunnel plant equipment, and use an ancient desk phone that has a line-powered handset with an amplifier. I wonder about its compatibility with a fiber phone system, since fiber carries no power of its own. I read today that some installations use a home interface box that picks up power from the house power system to power ringers, etc, so maybe my worries are for naught. We'll see what they offer. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:45 PM Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Moose, >> >> My problem is evolutionary. Up until about six months ago, my wife and I >> used several VCRs to take care of our time-shifting needs. > Much the same here. We use two VCRs and one VCR-DVD combo to time shift > everything we watch >> We like to watch recorded TV fairly late at night, and each has his/her >> own idea of what to watch. > We also watch mostly late, but have pretty similar tastes, so watch > together most of the time. >> When "my" VCR died, no one offered a simple VCR as a replacement. I >> researched what was available and purchased a combination VCR/DVD >> recorder with a built-in tuner, and used the VCR side as I had done in >> the past. Then, recently, the tapes recorded on the 6-hour speed refused >> to track correctly when played. > The Sony combo we bought seems to be a good DVD player, but the VCR side > is clearly of poorquality and much less user friendly than the older > Sony VCRs we have. >> The 2-hour speed still works, but this won't get a football game for me. >> Consequently, I decided to buy a cheap DVD player for the family room TV >> to replace the old VCR player, and to learn to record on the readily >> available, but never used DVD side of my recorder. >> > Ah, my inexpensive combo doesn't record DVDs >> The reason I have not considered a DVR is that I record in one part of >> the house and play back in another. I have no interest in rewiring the >> house, or getting into some other exotic means of connectivity. > Since a DVR can record, often more than one program at a time, while > also playing a program, there's no need to have separate record and play > location. >> Another complication is that our local power company will start offering >> fiber-to-the-premises phone/cable-tv/internet in a couple of months, and >> I may see what they have to offer. They may include a DVR in one of >> their packages. >> > They will certainly offer at least one DVR option. > > Basically, I think I've been wasting a bit of money by dithering about > what to switch to from analog cable - digital cable, DirectTV or Dish. > The solution would be simpler if my telco could offer fast DSL in my > area. I think I'm going to have to wait until they restring for fiber > here. Because of service bundling for lower rates, there is no ideal > combination of function and price here at the moment. so I guess it's a > good thing that all our tape machines are still working. :-) > > Now I only have to get up the energy to pull the guts out of the > Mitsubishi 55" projection TV and replace the convergence ICs - ick. I'd > like a plasma, but can hardly justify it when the M is an excellent TV > and the parts to get it working in top form again are a $50 sunk cost. :-) > > Now where's that soldering iron and solder-wick got to? > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 08:52:11 2008 Received: (qmail 14716 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 06:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 06:52:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D45C2971; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:51:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:51:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.threshinc.com (mail.threshinc.com [209.189.206.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0338EC2948 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:51:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from figaro.threshinc.com (unknown [209.189.223.38]) by mail.threshinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 146D839C70A; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20080911232830.00c46b90@mail.threshinc.com> X-Sender: pklein@threshinc.com@mail.threshinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:49:08 -0700 To: lug@leica-users.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, leica@freelists.org From: Peter Klein Subject: [OM] IMG: Fair Diana Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pklein@threshinc.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 08:52:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ca119b110665368819438 I had this impulse tonight. I had to try it at least once. So I did. E-510, Early 1980s (?) Vivitar 70-150/3.8 zoom with matching 2x teleconverter, on some rickety old 1950s tripod I've got lying around. 1/20 sec, lens set at 150mm and f/11. Effective 600mm. --Peter ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 10:15:52 2008 Received: (qmail 22915 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 08:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 08:15:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770C0C3AA4; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:15:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:15:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A18C42ED for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:14:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ke3nl-00042c-3O for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:14:49 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: Subject: [OM] Panasonic G-1 - micro 4/3 camera Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:14:44 +0100 Message-ID: <00d801c914af$9d329520$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckUr5zMCoIV16tMStGuIK39wkecWg== X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080911-0, 11/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8222/Fri Sep 12 03:28:53 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 10:15:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ca2538306562336821329 Not quite what I was expecting to see: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091202panasonic_DMC_G1.asp -- Piers ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 10:24:57 2008 Received: (qmail 16602 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 08:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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12 Sep 2008 11:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 11:40:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB76FC48DF; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:39:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:39:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6627C3A57 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:37:05 +0200 (CEST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bJYf43OVH/ww2kZiT2v0lw9kwZpD5D/yo+OlIdTITyB7ocxgwQPbf9HZAUnPz1AA; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.175.87.190] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ke6xU-0000Zz-Oh for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:37:05 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22008951211377118@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New lightweight OM-1 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:37:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da940f0a775d521ba53b663e4044d621726ef350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.87.190 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jgettis81@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 13:40:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ca551e1201744846740 Acually the Garand. Although I would be oppose to owning a carbine either. John > [Original Message] > From: Moose > To: > Date: 9/12/2008 2:09:49 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: New lightweight OM-1 > > jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > > Me too in fact I have always wanted both the Camera and the gun, John > > > > Garand or carbine? > > As a non gun person, I almost never understand gun references. The M1 I > do though. I became all too familiar with the Garand during boot camp, > learning how to field strip, clean and throw it around in all the arms > handling and presentation drills we had to learn. > > They also dragged us out to increase the lead content of a hill or two > at Camp Parks, where it turned out I was a pretty good shot, besting all > the guys boasting about their shooting prowess on the bus going there. > Possible a fluke where the sheer mass of the thing threw them off? That > rifle is sort of like a Nikon F2, you could beat people to death with it > and it would still work fine with some more ammo. > > I also shot an M1 carbine with a friend and his father when younger. > Certainly much lighter and easier to use. That covers two of the three > guns I could name the I've ever shot, the Colt 1911 naturally being the > other. > > No, I never saw a gun fired "for real" during my "career" in the Coast > Guard. A ship I was on did fire a couple of hedgehogs at a buoy for > target practice - and scared the crap out of the captain by almost > hitting it. And some officers shot skeet off the fantail of a cutter out > in the middle of the Pacific once. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 14:02:15 2008 Received: (qmail 9422 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 12:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 12:02:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A967C3DB9; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:02:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:01:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE23BC27AC for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:01:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K73002EO01MGTYA@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:00:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:01:01 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . In-reply-to: <8CAE1D6D20B3098-988-2250@WEBMAIL-NG06.sysops.aol.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48CA59FD.5090602@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CAE1D6D20B3098-988-2250@WEBMAIL-NG06.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 14:02:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ca5a47237241499373980 Good luck mister, stay safe! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html nsurit@aol.com wrote: > Looks like Ike may be paying us a visit in the next few days.? I'll > be cutting a?trip to Denver a few days short.?Headed back to Houston > in the AM.?This isn't a complaint as these are the times we have the > opportunity to keep the promises we made to folks when they bought > insurance from us.? If you don't see me popping in and out of the > discussions for a few months, you will know it is because of taking > care of business.? Hope my absence, if it occurs, is not as > protracted as Joel's.? He is still trying to get his life back > together after the terrible flood he experienced.?? Bill Barber > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 14:11:05 2008 Received: (qmail 14226 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 12:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 12:11:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13644C37BF; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:10:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:10:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261D7C3BD6 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:10:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7300MH40I4E8S4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:10:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:10:54 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: repairs In-reply-to: <48C93367.2070302@verizon.net> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48CA5C4E.4070403@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48C93367.2070302@verizon.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 14:11:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ca5c59229081234514069 That should have been plural, "cameras". ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html John Hermanson wrote: > I am very pleased that the Olympus Odyssey camera have made it so far > around the world without problems. That's a torture test. > > John > > > > On 9/11/2008 8:20:17 AM, Jim Couch at home > (zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com) wrote: >> For any new comers to the list, >> John's work is excellent. I am sure my >> comments will be echoed by other's >> here, but John has serviced a number >> of my OM gear and the work has always been great - well worth it. >> Shooting with a >> CLA'd OM is a treat! >> >> Jim Couch >> >> John Hermanson wrote: >>> Speaking of this, if anyone on the list is considering getting some OM >>> work done, please keep me in mind. Turnaround is about 2 weeks. Things >>> are getting a little slow as you can imagine. The active customer base ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 14:50:36 2008 Received: (qmail 18440 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 12:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 12:50:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17618C3508; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:50:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:50:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD68C2DAA for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:50:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so725898wfd.5 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:50:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=AqObCRWw0tora/HKM8uK1bA/HNEv0fjFGn7a0+UL+U4=; b=BU4Jlkka1WpNpb6QhMQRF2Z0rgzx2VnpkARSiC1PGhTNrRj0iwetOhMVmLq9+fgMoh wOJqlLjBGFY3Vbiv2ujXYjfBiOn8kCSWq8oCuFLqW+8fCvQe3iaJfTtLDY+/Ou+Spzzc 4DRKN5ZXLwa3bJQkhoki9e+rWfMtV4gHX4Z6M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=J5G32p3fMrx2MbaQ/jY4sNVPzuduTM7pfAhedLB4lI9cTn/DFlQ7J13paCC4BmoktF PlBne9paGzP7FmMnvLIczR0WCgCzvRP24X4T1Q/3xucXcZmRcOfkT/GULqEHttjcZVAV KHj1WiWbZ/X/bznie7svveD8vj0J80SRASVNk= Received: by 10.141.33.21 with SMTP id l21mr2614357rvj.9.1221223822938; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.153.11 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080809120550y5d14853erbbcabc23e2bab126@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:50:22 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New EKTAR Film provides finest grain of any color negative film In-Reply-To: <8CAE28673D54D6D-116C-1F43@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CAE28673D54D6D-116C-1F43@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 14:50:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ca659c91591993019900 More information ................... Compare with other Kodak negative films http://fleet1.footbig.com/3/m/c7/e9/c7e9e8ebfce7e2277b2041fa19642753-5235.jpg --- Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 15:11:46 2008 Received: (qmail 20097 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 13:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 13:11:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D190C4401; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:11:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:11:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4AC01C2895 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:11:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30141 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2008 13:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.145.241) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 13:11:20 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48C9FB21.3080100@gmail.com> References: <48C9D93F.1090401@interisland.net> <48C9FB21.3080100@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: 5D MKII Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:11:26 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 15:11:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ca6a9258058512572685 I suspect that they have to compete with the forthcoming Nikon D3x and the just out Sony a900. And thrash the D700. If the ISO is as sweet as the D700 I'm using this week, I'll not be too unhappy. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/09/2008, at 3:16 PM, Moose wrote: > Man, I don't know - double the pixel count? I was sort of hoping for > something modest, maybe 18MP. Canon has shown considerable > restraint in > avoiding IQ deterioration as they have bumped up the MP count in their > cameras. I hope they don't compromise the standout feature of the > 5D. It > would be a shame. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 15:19:37 2008 Received: (qmail 9184 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 13:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 13:19:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9AFC42E0; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:19:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:19:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id D362DC354E for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:19:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30687 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2008 13:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.145.241) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 13:19:14 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <00d801c914af$9d329520$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> References: <00d801c914af$9d329520$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <8C4C43F6-CEB6-4939-9E14-11FCEE927C17@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Panasonic G-1 - micro 4/3 camera Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:19:21 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 15:19:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ca6c69145531342116753 No - doesn't seem much smaller than an E-420 = 14-42mm. Hmmm - can I have a blue one please? :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/09/2008, at 6:14 PM, Piers Hemy wrote: > > Not quite what I was expecting to see: > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091202panasonic_DMC_G1.asp > > -- > Piers > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 16:03:03 2008 Received: (qmail 3073 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 14:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 14:03:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC23C2CFA; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:02:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:02:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500FAC2F34 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:02:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ke9EY-0003Or-VE for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:02:51 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <00d801c914af$9d329520$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <8C4C43F6-CEB6-4939-9E14-11FCEE927C17@people.net.au> Subject: [OM] Re: Panasonic G-1 - micro 4/3 camera Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:02:50 +0100 Message-ID: <015b01c914e0$3e618ca0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <8C4C43F6-CEB6-4939-9E14-11FCEE927C17@people.net.au> Thread-Index: AckU2jRSk4t4FESHS3uEDwxkchmGmgABfXGw X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080912-0, 12/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8222/Fri Sep 12 03:28:53 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 16:03:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ca7697294429347015869 My thoughts exactly! Even the blue, if pushed. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Andrew Fildes Sent: 12 September 2008 14:19 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Panasonic G-1 - micro 4/3 camera No - doesn't seem much smaller than an E-420 = 14-42mm. Hmmm - can I have a blue one please? :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/09/2008, at 6:14 PM, Piers Hemy wrote: > > Not quite what I was expecting to see: > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091202panasonic_DMC_G1.asp > > -- > Piers > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 18:01:58 2008 Received: (qmail 2330 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 16:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 16:01:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F75CC39A4; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:01:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:01:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBFEFC2AF4 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:01:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.d20.3956e86f (29678) for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:01:37 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:01:37 EDT Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 18:01:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ca927682421470116606 In a message dated 9/12/2008 7:02:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, omtech1@verizon.net writes: Good luck mister, stay safe! I will. What would it cost to get the water removed from my entire collection of OMs? I know you want some business however doubt that you want it this way. I'm packing all the glass, however will probably just cover the bodies. Hmm, maybe I'll pack the OM 3 and 4T. Bill Barber **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 18:14:44 2008 Received: (qmail 7777 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 16:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 16:14:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1B7C49D2; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:14:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:14:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F46CC3ACA for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:14:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 7AC1DAD0DQ for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:14:30 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:13:29 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . Thread-Index: AckU8OXfrboIu+u3RUeRMlZIvEsx6wAAZFTw From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2008 16:14:30.0556 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2F7CDC0:01C914F2] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 18:14:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ca957470691234514069 Too late to ship them somewhere dry/safe? -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of NSURIT@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:02 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . In a message dated 9/12/2008 7:02:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, omtech1@verizon.net writes: Good luck mister, stay safe! I will. What would it cost to get the water removed from my entire collection of OMs? I know you want some business however doubt that you want it this way. I'm packing all the glass, however will probably just cover the bodies. Hmm, maybe I'll pack the OM 3 and 4T. Bill Barber **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 18:54:18 2008 Received: (qmail 25038 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 16:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 16:54:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D929C4674; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:54:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:54:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B462C44CA for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:53:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c6e.2b6041a1 (41811) for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:53:40 EDT Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 18:54:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ca9eba317401234514069 In a message dated 9/12/2008 11:14:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com writes: Too late to ship them somewhere dry/safe? No. I could still do it. Bet I'd have a bunch who would volunteer to baby sit for a few days. I'm pretty much not in an area that floods. My concern, other than being busy with my insurance business, is the possibility of a tornado blowing the roof off or vandals going and stealing my stuff after the storm. In an effort to get things started off right, I had a car wreck on my way to work this morning. There is little gasoline available and someone turned across my lane from the middle lane to get into a station and I hit them. Both cars are still drivable. Don't know if she got her gas. Bill Barber **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 19:34:19 2008 Received: (qmail 31330 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 17:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 17:34:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E94BC27C5; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:34:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:34:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DD2C2C8B for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:34:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KeCWz-0002d3-8A for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:34:05 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:34:04 +0100 Message-ID: <019201c914fd$c0b94ae0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AckU+DDNNHi7fdMmQ3OXFdOeklYAZwABXdyw X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080912-0, 12/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8222/Fri Sep 12 03:28:53 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 19:34:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48caa81b210909347015869 Take care, Bill, thinking of you ... and your policyholders :-( -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of NSURIT@aol.com Sent: 12 September 2008 17:54 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . In a message dated 9/12/2008 11:14:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com writes: Too late to ship them somewhere dry/safe? No. I could still do it. Bet I'd have a bunch who would volunteer to baby sit for a few days. I'm pretty much not in an area that floods. My concern, other than being busy with my insurance business, is the possibility of a tornado blowing the roof off or vandals going and stealing my stuff after the storm. In an effort to get things started off right, I had a car wreck on my way to work this morning. There is little gasoline available and someone turned across my lane from the middle lane to get into a station and I hit them. Both cars are still drivable. Don't know if she got her gas. Bill Barber **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 20:21:41 2008 Received: (qmail 4004 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 18:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 18:21:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7635C3499; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:21:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:21:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E36C432A for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:21:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so357894ywt.89 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:21:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=c4Sd2ACFZa9I38Efg6GVWJO95DNqPrVm6odDUYB5QJ8=; b=faM2Uyz2GOG9drqTAnsCX97At39JsUOWsplKGXBtusmgXk7pWF1IK33b913EDMIDev /SFpLknJO/wzhtniUfQ35KIufU0ZdzhMS08es9Ms85wjOqfe9jMiC6OARX1e/YTHEaTQ 48SNCagIMUmKYIBbA1B0hvTcUtaGMlLDKUSvY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=dnVzyohrKTOZM2mjWLYr5TQ0D6Cypk/MOW/Mul9e9Vyi038KUTx52PQQ8jT6Puwub6 blOTEkhKxPTLtlyx2C9GFw31PMMkfsphaTsukIoxUE3RCJPhLC3To+BOiWJrbxlg4BRN shmuH2WgoGGn9Gm90U65jrsU7x8aV5cgVHN84= Received: by 10.90.87.7 with SMTP id k7mr2582041agb.94.1221243683524; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.115.5 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:21:23 -0700 From: "Warren Kato" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New EKTAR Film provides finest grain of any color negative film In-Reply-To: <60f983080809120550y5d14853erbbcabc23e2bab126@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8CAE28673D54D6D-116C-1F43@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> <60f983080809120550y5d14853erbbcabc23e2bab126@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wkkato@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 20:21:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cab33564211023412894 I'm hoping it will come out in 120 for my Pentax 645 gear. But apparently not as of yet. Warren On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:50 AM, Michael Wong wrote: > > More information ................... > > Compare with other Kodak negative films > http://fleet1.footbig.com/3/m/c7/e9/c7e9e8ebfce7e2277b2041fa19642753-5235.jpg > > > > --- > Michael > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 20:28:01 2008 Received: (qmail 28806 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 18:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 18:28:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6B2C42BB; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:27:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:27:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC77FC3E6F for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:27:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id D2C7BAA74W for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:27:42 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:26:55 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . Thread-Index: AckU+DT8qvrzalvlQAy3w90dNj0p3AAAMS7Q From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2008 18:27:42.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E6F6F80:01C91505] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 20:28:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cab4b1195931529615919 You're in our thoughts and prayers. One story I read was that people in the Galveston area were being warned to evacuate, with the result if they chose not to of near certain death.... -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of NSURIT@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:54 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . In a message dated 9/12/2008 11:14:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com writes: Too late to ship them somewhere dry/safe? No. I could still do it. Bet I'd have a bunch who would volunteer to baby sit for a few days. I'm pretty much not in an area that floods. My concern, other than being busy with my insurance business, is the possibility of a tornado blowing the roof off or vandals going and stealing my stuff after the storm. In an effort to get things started off right, I had a car wreck on my way to work this morning. There is little gasoline available and someone turned across my lane from the middle lane to get into a station and I hit them. Both cars are still drivable. Don't know if she got her gas. Bill Barber **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. 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To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <444797.85824.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 20:38:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cab71a307582070262475 Also in my thoughts and prayers. I cannot imagine living through something like that. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 12 20:55:04 2008 Received: (qmail 19046 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 18:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 18:55:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F758C4A32; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:54:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:54:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B86DC4893 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:53:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id A413B0E3DS for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:53:28 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Seen for sale locally. Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:53:19 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Seen for sale locally. Thread-Index: AckU+DT8qvrzalvlQAy3w90dNj0p3AAEIE4A From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2008 18:53:28.0220 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7DBD5C0:01C91508] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 12 20:55:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cabb08162511073733319 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/pho/829542246.html No connection. Could arrange to check it out if anyone's interested. This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 13 00:19:49 2008 Received: (qmail 27477 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 22:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 22:19:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74153C3B83; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:19:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:19:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1D7C2E64 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:19:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.d04.3f62c37d (37555) for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB034-92b348caeaeaeb; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:19:22 -0400 Received: from webmail-me05 (webmail-me05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.197]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA026-5bb748caeadf19; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:19:11 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Panasonic G-1 - micro 4/3 camera Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:19:11 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.254 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.254 by webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.197) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:19:11 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAE33CB7436EE0-B04-17D1@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 13 00:19:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48caeb05129171023412894 Doesn't quite look like a G9 killer yet. I hope it has a niche. The DP-1 doesn't look very good in comparison though. Oly should come out with their own version---the lack of IS is a problem and it is a still a bit chunky. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 13 00:22:56 2008 Received: (qmail 24251 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 22:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 22:22:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A75C3C3E; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:22:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:22:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85336C3D86 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:22:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c34.404df416 (34895) for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA014-884f48caeba3373; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:22:27 -0400 Received: from webmail-me05 (webmail-me05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.197]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA017-5c4948caeb991ce; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:22:17 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] adaptive ISO Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:22:17 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.254 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.254 by webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.197) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:22:17 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAE33D26644428-B04-1806@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 13 00:22:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48caebc0180401744846740 >From a Canyon rumor site---not a Canyon process. http://www.apical-imaging.com/UserFiles/ad-iso.pdf Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 13 01:22:24 2008 Received: (qmail 21710 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 23:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 23:22:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F62CC2F0B; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:22:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:22:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02560C2EB4 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:22:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c02.43d8ff69 (34930) for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA043-887248caf99d16f; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:22:05 -0400 Received: from webmail-dd04 (webmail-dd04.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.4]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA013-5c4548caf9963be; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:21:58 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Panasonic G-1 - micro 4/3 camera Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:21:58 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.254 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.254 by webmail-dd04.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.4) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:21:58 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAE3457CCF79A5-1508-2A07@webmail-dd04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 13 01:22:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48caf9b03431946193717 Error, Should have said lack of "sensor based IS" so could use a pancake lens. Perhaps this or an Oly flavor version can still be a horse cam. We'll see when it's reviewed. The G9 at 400 is iffy---raw and skillful processing usually required but it is smaller and longer. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 13 01:37:03 2008 Received: (qmail 15424 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2008 23:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Sep 2008 23:37:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F769C3812; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:36:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:36:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF38C3345 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:36:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so930815rvb.29 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:36:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=AA3n81wbVNhKEhRvsdr2Ypqhi3VDLaiisU7YsIScdKQ=; b=G+ZVfkaRbMBRQdQYNWUVurt6yOZpTybemntTPCQQ2Xue13da110KXCqvMRY9km5uG6 DaMiTTVhwdvlZ4soPgKU0SuTUPGfrG1+fQq3c4DSmANCwf8Bsw8XVp8LhAVwulhnQdgd LscbiedFJxVz4VWKZBclhmQMmh7CQaU1n37R8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=rcYBqVOJStQD6iNbh0fOoVuWUwsPSs0snxH/LZlEPXqEsKmRI2p3mm+wEdGQz741D5 vO/kquJJOE9thh4k65RL2d1SNT0lClIAEHMRKtnR5Sm1taJEkFQ7E/DtjJxbG0AKiGmr R8acivjNlY3k8bQ3nbmkqwArRrnfB8jPkQEB0= Received: by 10.141.27.16 with SMTP id e16mr2973736rvj.136.1221262596999; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.153.11 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080809121636o2e41f7d0h2466f258e193f8b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:36:36 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New EKTAR Film provides finest grain of any color negative film In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CAE28673D54D6D-116C-1F43@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> <60f983080809120550y5d14853erbbcabc23e2bab126@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 13 01:37:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cafd1f140425368819438 I hope so. --- Michael 2008/9/13 Warren Kato > > I'm hoping it will come out in 120 for my Pentax 645 gear. But > apparently not as of yet. > > Warren > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:50 AM, Michael Wong > wrote: > > > > More information ................... > > > > Compare with other Kodak negative films > > > http://fleet1.footbig.com/3/m/c7/e9/c7e9e8ebfce7e2277b2041fa19642753-5235.jpg > > > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 13 02:12:30 2008 Received: (qmail 21848 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2008 00:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 00:12:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7085FC36A0; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:12:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:12:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C323DC3695 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:12:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080913001216H01000fhg3e>; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:12:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Subject: [OM] IMG: Hummingbird Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:12:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 13 02:12:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cb056e26421470116606 Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, indicating that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, I finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted Takumar 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 13 04:31:43 2008 Received: (qmail 17074 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2008 02:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 02:31:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60936C2B60; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:31:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:31:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mta-m2.tc.umn.edu (mta-m2.tc.umn.edu [134.84.135.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7337EC2864 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:31:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [216.243.164.134] (216-243-164-134.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.164.134]) by mta-m2.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:31:25 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] 216-243-164-134.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.164.134] #+TS+AU+HN Message-ID: <48CB264C.6070305@tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:32:44 -0500 From: Dean Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] IMG: Hummingbird Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: hanse112@tc.umn.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 13 04:31:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cb260f147661702588592 Jim recently posted: Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, indicating that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, I finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted Takumar 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA Nice shot! I liked the blurred wings--which is what the eyes see when watching a hummingbird. Also like the complementary green body/white neck of the hummingbird and the green/white of the base of the feeder. Obviously, this is not a set-up shot with a plastic tube feeder hiding behind a flower in a vase. Any idea of shutter speed? Dean ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 13 04:46:00 2008 Received: (qmail 16002 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2008 02:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 02:46:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307ACC3522; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:45:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:45:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786FDC3269 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:45:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080913024546H04009a9lfe>; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:45:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <91266929AA4545D9B09C8D57BADA2382@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <48CB264C.6070305@tc.umn.edu> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:45:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 13 04:46:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cb296836091342116753 Dean, Thanks for the kind words. It was shot at 1/60 at f/5.6 using ISO 800. I could not get a sharp image at f/4.0, so raised the ISO and closed down to f/5.6. I have found that ISO 800 works quite well on the E-510 when shooting in the shade, out of doors. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Hansen" To: Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [OM] IMG: Hummingbird > Jim recently posted: > Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, indicating > that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, I > finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted Takumar > 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > > Nice shot! I liked the blurred wings--which is what the eyes see when > watching a hummingbird. Also like the complementary green body/white > neck of the hummingbird and the green/white of the base of the feeder. > Obviously, this is not a set-up shot with a plastic tube feeder hiding > behind a flower in a vase. Any idea of shutter speed? > Dean > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 13 04:58:25 2008 Received: (qmail 9618 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2008 02:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 02:58:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE51C3059; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:58:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:58:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F02C340F for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:58:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 20765 invoked by uid 518); 13 Sep 2008 02:58:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20080913025812.20764.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:58:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.226.166 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 13 04:58:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cb2c51271523675314703 Thought you could fool us with a fake hummingbird, eh? That plastic model doesn't have any wings. It's a dead giveaway. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Jim Nichols > Subject: [OM] IMG: Hummingbird > Sent: Sep 13 '08 00:12 > > > Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, indicating that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, I finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted Takumar 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 13 05:03:26 2008 Received: (qmail 23966 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2008 03:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 03:03:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22334C3554; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:03:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:03:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBA9C33FA for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:03:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080913030312H030028cq8e>; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 03:03:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <2CD968DD060B4FEA902303F77866415C@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20080913025812.20764.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:03:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 13 05:03:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cb2d7d292831869477228 Chuck, Thanks for looking. At 1/60th of a second, the best I could muster in the available light, the wings do blur really well. Reminds me of cover shots of airplanes on the AOPA magazine, where you can always see right through the prop arc. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > Thought you could fool us with a fake hummingbird, eh? That plastic model > doesn't have any wings. It's a dead giveaway. > > Chuck Norcutt > > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: Jim Nichols >> Subject: [OM] IMG: Hummingbird >> Sent: Sep 13 '08 00:12 >> >> >> Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, indicating >> that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, I >> finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted Takumar >> 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 13 05:36:17 2008 Received: (qmail 10953 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2008 03:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 03:36:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A361BC36B6; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:35:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:35:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7C2C3497 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:35:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so21467107gxk.17 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:35:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=YCyoY6w/dP+WW5n0REitCXUKLueXtG06zhVohkMZoK8=; b=QEBktgayWxS1TdCyL0HzZ9zDTkq2ZCxRmIWGH4TbjPjMcJUbQG/YgRyyn76uC+vmP1 oWeTSVboskjZeIYnToLID9t2WTHhiQLN4LioL5iKLbGBB5vDAccJv+BCh1kBNRAhxjob dMuFIWM8XTHBzylDILlpuBwJDia39YDzQyIMU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=GuBxHRwe0hZM9edX4or+bpywP31G+1K4NBPABeML996DhHazQyAC6CvtbFtA9acLIh ek8unI4NRJcCg0UYKcN+dlvcVtziCKKYozb0U97qKPtAUtIAD+GP7Fd3AL+ZdnBuLJsP oFO0FNwy7ZkZpn20jZwt/HgcOLqJQpEzFU4lA= Received: by 10.90.95.18 with SMTP id s18mr6012590agb.114.1221276952387; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:35:52 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Zuikofest - Iowa Style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Google-Sender-Auth: 71c82ff55780a868 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 13 05:36:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cb3531265201744846740 Well, Chuck Norcutt (Dr Flash) and his wife visited Iowa tonight. Joel Wilcox was able to join us, but Tom Scales had a previous committment however he sent his greetings. We ate pizza and did the obligitory comparing of the cameras. It was raining out and I couldn't resist bringing my E-1 in from the jeep all covered in raindrops. :) I'll admit, I have no particular love of the Canon 5D, but that Tokina lens Chuck has on the camera really is sweet. There are few lenses that feel as good in the hand as that lens does. A shame, really, that it isn't available in an Olympus mount. I'd love to have that lens as a manual focus mounted on an OM body. So, now we bid Chuck adios as he keeps travelling west to visit other listees. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 13 23:20:03 2008 Received: (qmail 19283 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2008 21:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 21:20:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6C5C37B5; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:19:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:19:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A308C282F for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:19:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25804 invoked by uid 502); 13 Sep 2008 21:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.206.11) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Sep 2008 21:19:48 -0000 Message-ID: <48CC2E73.2080205@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:19:47 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Panasonic G-1 - micro 4/3 camera References: <8CAE33CB7436EE0-B04-17D1@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CAE33CB7436EE0-B04-17D1@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 13 23:20:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cc2e83182451035110158 usher99@aol.com wrote: > Doesn't quite look like a G9 killer yet. I hope it has a niche. I'm not particularly interested in this design. I'm not interested in a slightly smaller DSLR - and it isn't really much smaller than an E-420 and weighs the same - unless features, performance and IQ are not compromised. I love twist and tilt displays, but this one is weird. Although the sensor and EVF are 4:3, the LCD is 3:2. I can imagine two reasons. First, I can imagine marketing considerations demanding a 3.0" LCD, while size and design constraints - including the EVF - limit the vertical space available for the LCD. Also, Panny has shown a consistent bias toward wide format ratios on their digicams, using odd sensor sizes to support 4:3, 3:2 and 16:9 all in one camera. In any case, it's too confusing seeming for me. Pick your sensor size/format, show it all at once and let me do my own framing and cropping. But I do think micro 4/3 has the potential to do some radical and wonderful things to camera design, perhaps finally letting the potential of digital go beyond simply digital sensor systems into genuinely new design concepts and posibly the revival of old ones that are still good. Dpreview says it clearly "From the outside it looks for all the world like a conventional SLR (albeit a very small one) - we're told that the design (complete with faux prism 'hump') is deliberately conservative; Panasonic's research has shown that its target market (particularly in Japan) still prefers a camera that looks like a camera is supposed to, and wasn't going to risk falling at the first hurdle by producing something too radical." > The DP-1 doesn't look very good in comparison though. It looked bad to me without the need for any sort of comparison. I can't imagine having the interest or patience to use a camera with such compromised performance. > Oly should come out with their own version---the lack of IS is a problem and it is a still a bit chunky. > I suspect the Micro 4/3 idea is mostly Panny's, but I do hope that Oly chooses to bring a more creative approach to the table. There's a lot of potential - and a lot of challenges. Take for example your comments about lack of IS and chunky design. The E-520 is 15mm thicker than the E-420. I'm guessing most of that is for the in-camera IS. The A650 is 13mm thicker than the G9, for the twist and tilt LCD. Add both, and your camera gets at least 25mm thicker - REALLY chunky. To get both features in an attractive package will require some innovative engineering. On the other hand, once you are free of the mirror box, why does the EVF have to be a permanent part of the camera? And lets not be tethered to one that has to mount to the body. How about a wireless EVF with headband mount and an alternative using the TV "glasses" technology Oly already has, but only for one eye? HUD projected on eyeglasses? With that dead space behind the lens, is it possible to emulate Leica and Rollei and make a collapsible lens - but AF, of course? Maybe a short zoom? :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 13 23:51:23 2008 Received: (qmail 17878 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2008 21:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 21:51:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA42C3E8E; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:51:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:51:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592A0C3E62 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:51:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12435 invoked by uid 502); 13 Sep 2008 21:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.172.137) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Sep 2008 21:51:10 -0000 Message-ID: <48CC35CC.3090805@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:51:08 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 13 23:51:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cc35db138191073733319 Jim Nichols wrote: > Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, indicating that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, I finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted Takumar 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html > Man, that's a nice catch with that equipment! Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 00:01:42 2008 Received: (qmail 20 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2008 22:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 22:01:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D69C306B; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:01:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:01:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [204.127.217.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00428C374A for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:01:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080913220104H01000dnfbe>; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:01:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <7DE42164527C47EEA0777E2741858405@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CC35CC.3090805@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:01:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 00:01:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cc3846198985368819438 Hi, Moose, Yeah, some of us like to do things the hard way. Thanks for looking. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, indicating >> that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, I >> finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted Takumar >> 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html >> > Man, that's a nice catch with that equipment! > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 00:12:39 2008 Received: (qmail 5682 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2008 22:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 22:12:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271ACC3687; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:12:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:12:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62028C3784 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:12:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c5f.3f560695 (29679) for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:12:22 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:12:22 EDT Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 00:12:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cc3ad7248702070262475 There is a clean side of a hurricane and although we had the wind and rain we didn't get the tornados. That being said, I did spend a good part of the night on the bathroom floor with my two cats. My wife is out of town or she would have been there also. It would have been crowded. Driving around our area, we had some trees on top of houses, some shingles blown off of the roof and some fences blown down. We had it much easier the 40 to 50 miles inland than those on the coast. I've had the opportunity today to talk to some of my policyholders that I hadn't talk to in years. That is, unfortunately, the nature of the business, however each of them was indeed glad to hear from their agent to follow up on their claim. It looks like it will be a busy week, but not much more. My friends nearer the coast will not be so fortunate. Bill Barber In a message dated 9/12/2008 12:34:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, piers@hemy.org writes: Take care, Bill, thinking of you ... and your policyholders :-( -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of NSURIT@aol.com Sent: 12 September 2008 17:54 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . In a message dated 9/12/2008 11:14:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com writes: Too late to ship them somewhere dry/safe? No. I could still do it. Bet I'd have a bunch who would volunteer to baby sit for a few days. I'm pretty much not in an area that floods. My concern, other than being busy with my insurance business, is the possibility of a tornado blowing the roof off or vandals going and stealing my stuff after the storm. In an effort to get things started off right, I had a car wreck on my way to work this morning. There is little gasoline available and someone turned across my lane from the middle lane to get into a station and I hit them. Both cars are still drivable. Don't know if she got her gas. Bill Barber **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. 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(http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 00:18:51 2008 Received: (qmail 14852 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2008 22:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 22:18:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2383C3C30; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:18:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:18:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C32C3AE3 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:18:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27494 invoked by uid 502); 13 Sep 2008 22:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.172.137) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Sep 2008 22:18:39 -0000 Message-ID: <48CC3C3D.10501@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:18:37 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 00:18:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cc3c4b147251035110158 Glad to hear that you and, I hope, most of Houston, have come through relatively unscathed. I'm sure your policyholders are delighted to find they are in such good han ... - oops, can't say that. :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 00:35:39 2008 Received: (qmail 15514 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2008 22:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 22:35:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46884C3ED3; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:35:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:35:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id C240DC3E18 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:35:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30018 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2008 22:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.189.206) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 22:35:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48CC2E73.2080205@gmail.com> References: <8CAE33CB7436EE0-B04-17D1@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> <48CC2E73.2080205@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <0F4146D2-CA3F-4BDB-A367-F29DB42B05C4@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Panasonic G-1 - micro 4/3 camera Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:35:18 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 00:35:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cc403b37111234514069 Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 14/09/2008, at 7:19 AM, Moose wrote: > I love twist and tilt displays, but this one is weird. Although the > sensor and EVF are 4:3, the LCD is 3:2. I can imagine two reasons. > First, I can imagine marketing considerations demanding a 3.0" LCD, > while size and design constraints - including the EVF - limit the > vertical space available for the LCD. The different LCD format would not only allow the use of standard display modules but the 'dead space' allows for an information bar at top or bottom. That was one thing I liked about the Leica M8 - instant readout of the shutter speed, aperture and ISO on a strip across the top of the review would be nice. > Dpreview says it clearly "From the outside it looks for all the world > like a conventional SLR (albeit a very small one) - we're told that > the > design (complete with faux prism 'hump') is deliberately conservative; > Panasonic's research has shown that its target market (particularly in > Japan) still prefers a camera that looks like a camera is supposed to, > and wasn't going to risk falling at the first hurdle by producing > something too radical." Designs have gone very conservative in recent years - in effect, almost all the cameras now available are VERY similar to the last of the film cameras, in both SLR and compact designs. The exception are the handbag compacts like the Oly mju 1040 sitting on my desk right now and I suspect that the ultraslim large LCD designs are acceptable to the public because of the prevalence of devices like cell phones, Palm Pilots and iPods which are not dissimilar. This is one of the reasons that I'm collecting (rather haphazardly) the weird designs of the mid-nineties to early noughties - I do not think that we'll see their like again. The opportunity to really rethink and redesign the camera as we know it has perished under the storm surge of consumer market conservatism. If there is to be something clever done with micro-TwoThirds, a rangefinder is my last, best hope. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 00:55:04 2008 Received: (qmail 23840 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2008 22:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 22:55:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46082C2F08; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:54:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:54:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B08CFC27C0 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:54:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19543 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2008 22:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.189.206) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 22:54:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <00d801c914af$9d329520$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> References: <00d801c914af$9d329520$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Panasonic G-1 - micro 4/3 camera Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:54:48 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 00:55:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cc44c81201744846740 Hmmmm...did we notice that while the new Panny micro 14-45mm is no shorter than the present 14-42mm (tho' slimmer) it is metal mount? And the predicted 20mm f1.7 looks interesting. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/09/2008, at 6:14 PM, Piers Hemy wrote: > > Not quite what I was expecting to see: > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091202panasonic_DMC_G1.asp > > -- > Piers > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 02:03:07 2008 Received: (qmail 30402 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 00:03:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 00:03:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975ECC3512; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:02:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:02:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.224]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0C7C32E3 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:02:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so1993887qbc.11 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:02:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=fhd57LKpcTB3bk6O7l/hCoNoAZ2Gum1PLN9/tI6zhu4=; b=dYWFK5JuVZHnA9H71dmvMl+xgdIWos5jtGjV1MOPLzEYiHGenCg+7RKBzJ8+amlwok xqtoDLwi6zQsRdZFVYumRIvEgAjyJrRvfYCHhY2m2+Nxlv06hsvDYmRD38NrnV9h7vMC Qr7kKHqm8Y6NtVPNSrw5AxGgcq33MZ475gQd4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=mLcS6gDg/ZKcHnenNpzLywk5HQNWEvA5JqjOx0lvejZDRoClGG44aXIl2WVGO0dYSh I/hMVxw2C0NGv3UUJUzes/VKEB6mR8g9PQTLzq+rhwi3ECSzZoCrlVdqe7OJceon8V3t keyHYRN9wdDLT88QYTiLz9pMOaE+kAFFapjJ4= Received: by 10.86.60.15 with SMTP id i15mr4556903fga.14.1221350574154; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.29.1 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0809131702k179e6839v457052b891f2399f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:02:54 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Fair Diana In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20080911232830.00c46b90@mail.threshinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080911232830.00c46b90@mail.threshinc.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 02:03:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cc54bb57711823421471 Nicely done Peter. Good exposure, very sharp. Rickety tripod must be the ticket. Charlie On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Peter Klein wrote: > I had this impulse tonight. I had to try it at least once. So I did. > > > > E-510, Early 1980s (?) Vivitar 70-150/3.8 zoom with matching 2x > teleconverter, on some rickety old 1950s tripod I've got lying > around. 1/20 sec, lens set at 150mm and f/11. Effective 600mm. > > --Peter > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 02:06:30 2008 Received: (qmail 31543 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 00:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 00:06:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382DFC3524; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:06:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:06:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.224]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F92C32FA for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:06:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so1994600qbc.11 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:06:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=yFZZ47OFxtJfgiwF5vNCoRosG2LdhsdUdR8mG6Makdg=; b=TjX7bFc3rCqofyxKOf4w3Y5AAgqmct5wOFjKxiDChEpXnm2Vb014Vr/lXsdOaRLuhv dZDUheo2rFkmlgWuQgC0o/T1Wy++OfNbYKzAZiNoL92mIk7WGzgCT0orc6BjxeO3LR3p Wx6NCYSdDkHDmtBFud5x/QJoCfTbErpa+FNb8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=JFH5JYgV0KPBkR4aXkSjxTWtqONe95QOlwtKe1/sXi1pY6xdRLcAMkcHfPAPqoPWp+ 6dY+Pwn1eoQqOl5gm/a9e4B1Xpt72WtsEC823zIBDJn1H2PcyWlRXe19pdRKTCpklW60 ELIvhr0aZ5dtBW5dTHYj/LX/8gf2kyCLU13mw= Received: by 10.86.80.5 with SMTP id d5mr4539669fgb.26.1221350777072; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.29.1 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0809131706j6682cdc7ndf46de79a6cb8f83@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:06:16 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: repairs In-Reply-To: <48C90BBD.4090908@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <202102.32092.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48C90BBD.4090908@verizon.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 02:06:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cc5586138101470116606 Check your mailbox John. I sent one a few days ago that should be arriving momentarily. Charlie On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:14 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > > Speaking of this, if anyone on the list is considering getting some OM > work done, please keep me in mind. Turnaround is about 2 weeks. Things > are getting a little slow as you can imagine. The active customer base > just isn't what it used to be. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > AS wrote: > > > > You could also contact WW Umbach. He provides repair on Zeiss. He is > > the John H. for Zeiss. Although I am not sure what his limitations > > are. I have had Contaflex's repaired in the past. May be able to > > provide info. > > > > Here is contact info: > > > > W.W. Umbach. Z-V Service. P.O. Box 754 / 1410 Seafarer Drive. > > Oriental, North Carolina 28571. 919-249-2576 (chk area code) > > > > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 02:14:39 2008 Received: (qmail 29444 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 00:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 00:14:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17193C3825; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:14:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:14:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.232]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE80C3059 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:14:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so1996552qbc.11 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:14:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=mHKv1ZiPyv6DTpNsmQDdrOGMKsFaxGxmCYDdb8tQgXc=; b=bFv3n6HjMh9b9NqRW+uC5hI5MyvamKQ37OITCybYKfTcKIuvaUmhkgX3O8a4HlrMAy Z/Oz2puboqyE06R4EmbzK7+k0p8dGaoyrsk//h6O+1EL6OMTM5m6aL48ZSZnWO1WWiy+ J+KGGraWuQLN2MpynVIVBEBQBQvpKb5aGui74= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=J46aLC3aJgPZqF09NX8IzuMqnS7qKM+UJQtBGESMhSQXIhatZmUFqmW9X9brfOhMGd qhrTb2pC1EeQ1EiKLAcWl9WehjLc0RPYyifwOmybcUf/+7Xo1uIg8bx8gibEBkbe+4wi FwdV0HzLOTlDFQuZwO14pEYhdwasxWVIAdxP4= Received: by 10.86.93.19 with SMTP id q19mr4561440fgb.4.1221351266666; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.29.1 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0809131714u29964487lfd4862a7b73a0493@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:14:26 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . In-Reply-To: <8CAE1D6D20B3098-988-2250@WEBMAIL-NG06.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CAE1D6D20B3098-988-2250@WEBMAIL-NG06.sysops.aol.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 02:14:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cc576f297391823421471 Bill, I'm writing this Saturday evening after seeing images of Galveston. What a mess. After going through through Hugo, my heart goes out to all. I'm glad you and yours made it safely. Don't bother to respond; you will be very busy for a while. Charlie On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:37 PM, wrote: > > Looks like Ike may be paying us a visit in the next few days.? I'll be > cutting a?trip to Denver a few days short.?Headed back to Houston in the > AM.?This isn't a complaint as these are the times we have the opportunity to > keep the promises we made to folks when they bought insurance from us.? If > you don't see me popping in and out of the discussions for a few months, you > will know it is because of taking care of business.? Hope my absence, if it > occurs, is not as protracted as Joel's.? He is still trying to get his life > back together after the terrible flood he experienced.?? Bill Barber > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 03:58:32 2008 Received: (qmail 16150 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 01:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 01:58:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56AA8C360F; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 03:58:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 03:58:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9081C35B3 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 03:58:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-83.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.83]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080914015818H06009tp14e>; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:58:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.83] Message-ID: <029401c9160d$57c39070$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:58:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 03:58:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cc6fc83511234514069 Bill, Glad to hear that you survived! I used to live in Webster and understand what the water table means to those poor folks. Good luck on the recovery. I spent 3 weeks living in Galveston prior to my move back to Louisville, I pray my friends are okay.Thoughts and prayers are with you. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:12 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . > > There is a clean side of a hurricane and although we had the wind and rain > we didn't get the tornados. That being said, I did spend a good part of > the > night on the bathroom floor with my two cats. My wife is out of town or > she > would have been there also. It would have been crowded. Driving around > our > area, we had some trees on top of houses, some shingles blown off of the > roof > and some fences blown down. We had it much easier the 40 to 50 miles > inland > than those on the coast. I've had the opportunity today to talk to some > of > my policyholders that I hadn't talk to in years. That is, unfortunately, > the > nature of the business, however each of them was indeed glad to hear from > their agent to follow up on their claim. It looks like it will be a busy > week, > but not much more. My friends nearer the coast will not be so fortunate. > Bill Barber ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 05:20:00 2008 Received: (qmail 11119 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 03:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 03:19:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BC7C347E; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 05:19:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 05:19:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADACC349D for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 05:19:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13644 invoked by uid 518); 14 Sep 2008 03:19:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20080914031946.13643.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 03:19:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 66.252.114.14 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 05:20:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cc82e0152281234514069 Glad to hear that it wasn't as bad as it might have been. Good luck. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: NSURIT@aol.com > Subject: [OM] Re: Here he comes . . . > Sent: Sep 13 '08 22:12 > > > There is a clean side of a hurricane and although we had the wind and rain   > we didn't get the tornados.  That being said, I did spend a good part of  the > night on the bathroom floor with my two cats.  My wife is out of town  or she > would have been there also.  It would have been crowded.   Driving around our > area, we had some trees on top of houses, some shingles blown  off of the roof > and some fences blown down.  We had it much easier the 40  to 50 miles inland > than those on the coast.  I've had the opportunity today  to talk to some of > my policyholders that I hadn't talk to in years.   That is, unfortunately, the > nature of the business, however each of them was  indeed glad to hear from > their agent to follow up on their claim.  It looks  like it will be a busy week, > but not much more.  My friends nearer the  coast will not be so fortunate.   > Bill Barber > > > In a message dated 9/12/2008 12:34:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,   > piers@hemy.org writes: > > > Take  care, Bill, thinking of you ... and your policyholders :-( > > -- > Piers   > > > -----Original  Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr  [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of NSURIT@aol.com > Sent: 12  September 2008 17:54 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: Here he  comes . . . > > > > In a message dated 9/12/2008 11:14:55 A.M. Central  Daylight Time, > Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com writes: > > Too late  to ship  them somewhere dry/safe? > > > > No. I could still do it.  Bet I'd  have a bunch who would volunteer to  baby > sit for a few days.   I'm pretty much not in an area that floods.   My > concern,   > other than being busy with my insurance business, is the possibility   of a > tornado blowing the roof off or vandals going and stealing my stuff  after > the storm. > > In an effort to get things started off right, I had  a car wreck on my way > to work this morning.  There is little gasoline  available and someone > turned > across my lane from the middle lane to get  into a station and I hit  them. > > Both cars are still  drivable.  Don't know if she got her  gas.  Bill  Barber > > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you  heard the news? 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(moose@71.139.199.5) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Sep 2008 04:18:09 -0000 Message-ID: <48CC907D.20206@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:18:05 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Panasonic G-1 - micro 4/3 camera References: <8CAE33CB7436EE0-B04-17D1@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> <48CC2E73.2080205@gmail.com> <0F4146D2-CA3F-4BDB-A367-F29DB42B05C4@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <0F4146D2-CA3F-4BDB-A367-F29DB42B05C4@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 06:18:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cc908f86577350615338 Andrew Fildes wrote: > The different LCD format would not only allow the use of standard display modules but the 'dead space' allows for an information bar at top or bottom. That was one thing I liked about the Leica M8 - instant readout of the shutter speed, aperture and ISO on a strip across the top of the review would be nice. > Just went through the dpreview preview. It does exactly what you want with a status bar along the bottom and can be wet to any of the three formats. > Designs have gone very conservative in recent years - in effect, almost all the cameras now available are VERY similar to the last of the film cameras, in both SLR and compact designs. Exactly. Where form truly follows function, that's fine with me, but where it avoids finding new forms to match new functionality, it's frustrating. > The exception are the handbag compacts like the Oly mju 1040 sitting on my desk right now and I suspect that the ultraslim large LCD designs are acceptable to the public because of the prevalence of devices like cell phones, Palm Pilots and iPods which are not dissimilar. > I suspect this is a case where the form made posible by new technology is so compelling that it breaks through previous norms. At least initially, the buyers for these designs were young people with no sense of traditional camera forms, or at least no attachment to them. The Oly D-460 sitting on my desk is certainly a slavish copy of the stylus film cameras, although bigger. Hard to blame them for trying reduce FUD to make digital seem just like the cameras their customers were used to. > This is one of the reasons that I'm collecting (rather haphazardly) the weird designs of the mid-nineties to early noughties - I do not think that we'll see their like again. The opportunity to really rethink and redesign the camera as we know it has perished under the storm surge of consumer market conservatism. I'm more optimistic than you. I'm hoping one of the smaller players, especially if share is slipping, will take a risk on something new. > If there is to be something clever done with micro-TwoThirds, a rangefinder is my last, best hope. > This is something I've heard a lot. I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean, in effect, a mechanical rangefinder camera with digital sensor in place of the film? Or something that emulates the small size and form factor of classic rangefinders, and uses an optical viewfinder (fixed magnification?), with or without LCD, but with AF? It's my impression that AF is more accurate than a mechanical rangefinder, but I've never used any of the premium rangefinders. I use only the central AF spot on my digital cameras and they seem to be very accurate. Its also my understanding that WA coverage with a rangefinder depends on the overall FOV of the optical finder or requires an auxiliary finder; and that tele framing is simply a small frame in the center of the fixed magnification viewfinder. None of that seems very appealing to me. One of the reasons I've never been attracted to rangefinders compared to SLRs. I think micro 4/3 should be able to emulate the size, noise, quickness and unobtrusiveness of the classic rangefinder cameras, but can also improve on them by taking advantage of new technology. I honestly think that twist and tilt LCDs are far superior for candid/street photography to any sort of viewfinder that requires sticking the camera in front of your face to take the shot. Their ability to extend viewpoints over the edge of things, over head and down to ground level without acrobatics also seem to be an advantage over conventional rangefinder design. I certainly find them wonderful to use. Is this a nostalgia thing that has nothing to do with facility in capturing images? I can understand that, although if that's what it is, why not just shoot film with the real thing? I've combined bits from two Oly Sixes into one that appears fully functional and acquired some 120 film. The GE and Weston meters are still accurate enough. I also found out how to calibrate the Walz auxiliary rangefinder reasonably well, too. Now I just have to get out and try it. That's harder than I thought, so far. ;-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 08:04:09 2008 Received: (qmail 864 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 06:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 06:04:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61086C34D9; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:03:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:03:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFE6C2FE9 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:03:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 145.red-79-147-168.staticip.rima-tde.net ([79.147.168.145]:49532 helo=[192.168.2.104]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Keki7-00085r-5K (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:03:52 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Picture a Day discussion group , Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 13/09/2008: fake or real? Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:03:49 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 08:04:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cca959265681838542571 We paid the last visit of the season to our beach bar yesterday--they close down for the autumn today. Not that it was particularly autumnal yet: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#372048818_2fQq4-O-LB My 19-year old son and his visiting friend from England enjoyed playing with my E3, the 50-200mm zoom and the 1.4 extender. For some reason, it was mainly the long end that interested them ;-) After looking at this picture, we debated the key question about whether these boobs were surgically enhanced or not, without reaching a clear conclusion. I think they are fake. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 10:07:07 2008 Received: (qmail 27928 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 08:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 08:07:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F055C3228; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:06:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:06:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.threshinc.com (mail.threshinc.com [209.189.206.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA094C3733 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:06:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from figaro.threshinc.com (unknown [209.189.223.38]) by mail.threshinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 027CA39C6C0; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20080914000946.00beaac0@mail.threshinc.com> X-Sender: pklein@threshinc.com@mail.threshinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:06:53 -0700 To: lug@leica-users.org, leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr From: Peter Klein Subject: [OM] IMG: At the beach Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pklein@threshinc.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 10:07:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ccc62b180661470116606 I'm fortunate to live 10 minutes from a beach on Puget Sound. It's nice to walk there. Not to swim. The water temperature is a bracing 56 degrees. This guy didn't seem to mind: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P9132539SwimSound-w.jpg.html http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P9132544SwimSoundShip-w.jpg.html http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P9132538MuscleSwimSound-w.jpg.html And I encountered a couple of dogs being dogs: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P9132546AnticipationChocPoodle-w.jpg.html http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P9132548WetPoodlBuryBall-w.jpg.html http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P9132552WetPoodleBall-w.jpg.html E-510, 40-150mm f/3.5-4.5 --Peter ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 10:07:39 2008 Received: (qmail 25929 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 08:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 08:07:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CAF2C37F6; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:07:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:07:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD7BC368E for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:07:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 795 invoked by uid 502); 14 Sep 2008 08:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.171.25) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Sep 2008 08:07:26 -0000 Message-ID: <48CCC638.3020509@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:07:20 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 13/09/2008: fake or real? References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 10:07:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ccc64b174243675314703 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > We paid the last visit of the season to our beach bar yesterday--they > close down for the autumn today. Not that it was particularly autumnal > yet: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#372048818_2fQq4-O-LB > > My 19-year old son and his visiting friend from England enjoyed > playing with my E3, the 50-200mm zoom and the 1.4 extender. For some > reason, it was mainly the long end that interested them ;-) > > After looking at this picture, we debated the key question about > whether these boobs were surgically enhanced or not, without reaching > a clear conclusion. I think they are fake. > Not obviously enough fake to be certain. Only way to tell for sure is hands on. :-P Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 14:03:50 2008 Received: (qmail 3511 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 12:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 12:03:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D211C2EC3; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:03:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:03:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C526C3088 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:03:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2005 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2008 12:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.189.206) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 12:03:24 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48CC907D.20206@gmail.com> References: <8CAE33CB7436EE0-B04-17D1@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> <48CC2E73.2080205@gmail.com> <0F4146D2-CA3F-4BDB-A367-F29DB42B05C4@people.net.au> <48CC907D.20206@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Panasonic G-1 - micro 4/3 camera Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:03:31 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 14:03:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ccfda664551946193717 To some extent - I've owned both the Epson RD-1s and M8 and had trouble focussing well, especially with the M8 (holding it for left eyed use, I tended to occlude the RF patch window dammit). The Epson was easier to use. But, I've also owned a Contax G1 and loved it - never got to the G2 which had a better AF system. The advantage with a 4/3rd rangefinder would be live view for wide and tele, obviating the need for auxilliary finders. It should work really well as a Leica/Contax style AF RF. That's what I'd queue up for, oh yes. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 14/09/2008, at 2:18 PM, Moose wrote: > This is something I've heard a lot. I'm not sure I understand. Do you > mean, in effect, a mechanical rangefinder camera with digital > sensor in > place of the film? Or something that emulates the small size and form > factor of classic rangefinders, and uses an optical viewfinder (fixed > magnification?), with or without LCD, but with AF? > > It's my impression that AF is more accurate than a mechanical > rangefinder, but I've never used any of the premium rangefinders. I > use > only the central AF spot on my digital cameras and they seem to be > very > accurate. > > Its also my understanding that WA coverage with a rangefinder > depends on > the overall FOV of the optical finder or requires an auxiliary finder; > and that tele framing is simply a small frame in the center of the > fixed > magnification viewfinder. > > None of that seems very appealing to me. One of the reasons I've never > been attracted to rangefinders compared to SLRs. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 14:08:18 2008 Received: (qmail 1365 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 12:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 12:08:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5434C338C; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:08:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:08:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.231]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF949C3E10 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:08:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1522574rvb.29 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 05:08:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=EfHTQdIgY96S39jtLu45pPsugvYEwUCC47BdgQGChRs=; b=l/WXWGHQtUcx2lnjH4ttiJAKwpRvz3pVp3KEsafP7CnT1iExEJFt6L5dyhxR69Qd5F i5bLZRNcJ/PqEfzL8xxoubclK8akO/C9xT/VVTvM1X9ODTJ3wHNtWGY/7sWVVAQ27vWo RZPeO2haAK2Qn2+qQ1TqnUUFNQB5uWWufJqAU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=IUFHOQvr3FFDNfHcJ07bdqQXih1LquzBx8nEu8fH+F2lt/Cr0wRAD1RmeRFbaOhZ1/ 0C2ZipXYUPDozgGDfGs8dJjaW9J4jBoHcOx8q8Exr0nhTStGnT2QgZq2v07/vkxPj6Qd klwnCWE12DnQqEw4bUuLNqoEium8J+Zn4JPUs= Received: by 10.142.147.20 with SMTP id u20mr2252691wfd.47.1221394083232; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 05:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.173.10 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 05:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:08:03 +0800 From: "Sandy Harris" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Micro 4/3 rangefinder? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: sandyinchina@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 14:08:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ccfeb2183961234514069 So given that you have a body spec without space for a mirror, and various available lenses that expect bodies to tell them where to focus in a "fly-by-wire" system, ... Can you put a rangefinder in the body, let the photog control it via a wheel, and then have the body tell the lens what to do? Of course this is unlikely to focus the 150 F2, but if you have that, you likely have an E3 to use it on. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 14:56:40 2008 Received: (qmail 21660 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 12:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 12:56:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F60FC3451; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:56:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:56:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530A7C3480 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:56:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ker9Q-00044L-6j for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:56:28 +0100 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:56:28 +0100 From: Patrick Moore To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Panasonic G-1 - micro 4/3 camera Message-ID: <20080914125628.GT25251@the.earth.li> References: <8CAE33CB7436EE0-B04-17D1@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> <48CC2E73.2080205@gmail.com> <0F4146D2-CA3F-4BDB-A367-F29DB42B05C4@people.net.au> <48CC907D.20206@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: paddy@earth.li Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 14:56:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cd0a0820071946193717 * On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 10:03:31PM +1000, Andrew Fildes said: > The advantage with a 4/3rd rangefinder would be live view for wide > and tele, obviating the need for auxilliary finders. It should work > really well as a Leica/Contax style AF RF. That's what I'd queue up > for, oh yes. I concur completely. One of these with a nice compact set of prime lenses... perfection! I love my K20D, it gives great results, but frankly it's just too big for some of the photos I want to take. People see the larger camera and go "Ooh, someone's taking a photo of me." and then react accordingly. Which isn't really want I want. At least with the OM-1 it was compact enough for people not to care. p. -- o OOOOooO( I sold my soul to Satan. He wanted a refund, )Oo. .o0o.oOOo.o( but I said, "No." )Oo. .oo. o .o. .o( )Oo. . paddy@earth.li( )Oo. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 16:52:33 2008 Received: (qmail 16744 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 14:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 14:52:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F9FC3AFD; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:52:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:52:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3743BC382D for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:52:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so22605101gxk.17 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 07:52:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=riQBJOWuUau4agPu9HEbzztgKP0kQS66d5XyjMTFZ4M=; b=nSFRMlrW68v4uGDQy4YWcLW3F+Y3OYCHoA6CiuuKSCPOUkTyZKIAel7b7D5dN8FxBl bY2C5Vla8JJiW4nnMXBsgirktgtmzrrUiGbXwysVLXIht4/QAGFOjfCnEr1Ty6zgPgb7 Ph6GhhmDoFpzCCU4G8DtGy+Ri/qMFbbaKLCEQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=bZDLRLAgbl4JEz5Qb6LPnkgrjktqMbr1FSVTE/tZ7mxvO/7jpC6u6pfm3KiIsRAaKz h0KTTZzgwzbQQlMzH7FzKTw7/9841ZZTq91rM9T2uV5tqTdjCjjDgnL722Bse0BHsari Ju4pA41fdQ+oGDu6IM08o4wrVU/pMwFqKxaeI= Received: by 10.90.101.7 with SMTP id y7mr8313546agb.13.1221403940590; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 07:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.115.5 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 07:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 07:52:20 -0700 From: "Warren Kato" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wkkato@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 16:52:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cd2531113211342116753 Would you settle for a "virtual" rangefinder where the electronic viewfinder splits the image in two by taking sequential near/far images and puts them in a little window? Warren PS I note that when Contax came up with the beautiful G1 and G2 that they dropped the use of a rangefinder for use of autofocus. I think the market for a true mechanical rangefinder is rather small (at the risk of being called a Luddite). On 9/14/08, Sandy Harris wrote: > > So given that you have a body spec without space for a > mirror, and various available lenses that expect bodies > to tell them where to focus in a "fly-by-wire" system, ... > > Can you put a rangefinder in the body, let the photog > control it via a wheel, and then have the body tell the > lens what to do? > > Of course this is unlikely to focus the 150 F2, but if > you have that, you likely have an E3 to use it on. > > -- > Sandy Harris, > Quanzhou, Fujian, China > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 18:27:33 2008 Received: (qmail 13184 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 16:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 16:27:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53637C2C76; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:27:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:27:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1580C2D85 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:27:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so1058477wah.17 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:27:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=uq/lFbFxEMhNVaognP1tOOMh/jL9PQpdRgQdP+YAgtQ=; b=i7ISzWzPdShNdOEWcKEx8JPTEL0zgt6RXHPK9syOImgUQ457Vfs5n7obyop7KXvAKe ggtp84th95yyNCUdzl4BmKPgSd5SEGrHIpabzu8PaIoPpzvCyuWVDaNq4y4397FWf74L yTk8d6jS81rdDayHbSEK1OdKG6gVawcDSc5nI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=DHVRK8TcxPKwAu2oGvMb0E0a8qP18Eq89ETsJ9v/9STRKlW8vFzzKiN21pAeMy52fE qcbOnyp57dy2o3NDDgjZ7/OthhL1YXseFLFdRMCDxExfbasjUri/V9sL3EDWbEiKN6Z1 EjkLt6sHSBADS3oV1KDuIBHfUn4xL6N6dnaCw= Received: by 10.114.182.1 with SMTP id e1mr5289758waf.154.1221409639946; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.107.3 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840809140927o3fe65b5asba4ea61af75c02c7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:27:19 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus , wiliam@orange.nl Subject: [OM] Day trip to Middelburg, the Netherlands MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Google-Sender-Auth: e005a6a61c0e3bcf X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 18:27:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cd3b7517011035110158 After Wiliam advised we visit on Thursday (Market Day) we changed our plans - here are some pictures from a splendid day out... Parental Advisory - may contain waitresses. http://picasaweb.google.com/jez.cunningham/Middelburg# best regds jez ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 21:20:25 2008 Received: (qmail 3777 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 19:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 19:20:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C19EC3383; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:20:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:20:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-3.orange.nl (smtp-3.orange.nl [193.252.22.243]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43ABBC3917 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:20:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6207.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 299601C0008C for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:20:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6207.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E19A51C00085 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:20:12 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080914192012924.E19A51C00085@mwinf6207.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Day trip to Middelburg, the Netherlands Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:20:10 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840809140927o3fe65b5asba4ea61af75c02c7@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 21:20:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cd63f9217662070262475 Hi Jez, Seems like you had a great day in Middelburg. Does contain some nice waitresses indeed. No one I know though. Very nice to see that you did find some nice details and views that someone living there since 1979 has not photographed yet. Well done. Chjeers, Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: jez.cunningham@gmail.com > [mailto:jez.cunningham@gmail.com] Namens Jez Cunningham > Verzonden: zondag 14 september 2008 18:27 > Aan: olympus; wiliam@orange.nl > Onderwerp: [OM] Day trip to Middelburg, the Netherlands > > > > After Wiliam advised we visit on Thursday (Market Day) we > changed our plans > - here are some pictures from a splendid day out... > > Parental Advisory - may contain waitresses. > http://picasaweb.google.com/jez.cunningham/Middelburg# best regds jez ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 21:20:58 2008 Received: (qmail 23619 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 19:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 19:20:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02705C3194; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:20:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:20:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-3.orange.nl (smtp-3.orange.nl [193.252.22.243]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A1AC2ABC for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:20:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6207.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B9BDF1C00090 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:20:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6207.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7D8891C00085 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:20:46 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080914192046514.7D8891C00085@mwinf6207.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 13/09/2008: fake or real? Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:20:43 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 21:20:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cd641a58737350615338 Real or fake. I can understand and appreciate that two 19-year olds notice the girl having the burdon to carry them around ;-)) Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Nathan Wajsman > Verzonden: zondag 14 september 2008 8:04 > Aan: Picture a Day discussion group; Leica Users Group; > leica@freelists.org; olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Nathan's PAD 13/09/2008: fake or real? > > > > We paid the last visit of the season to our beach bar > yesterday--they > close down for the autumn today. Not that it was particularly > autumnal > yet: > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#372048818_2fQq4-O-LB My 19-year old son and his visiting friend from England enjoyed playing with my E3, the 50-200mm zoom and the 1.4 extender. For some reason, it was mainly the long end that interested them ;-) After looking at this picture, we debated the key question about whether these boobs were surgically enhanced or not, without reaching a clear conclusion. I think they are fake. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 21:49:23 2008 Received: (qmail 20768 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 19:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 19:49:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1B1C309A; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:49:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:49:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FFBC3004 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:49:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c29.402d6f4c (29673) for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:49:09 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:49:09 EDT Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 13/09/2008: fake or real? To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 21:49:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cd6ac341521744846740 In a message dated 9/14/2008 1:04:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, photo@frozenlight.eu writes: After looking at this picture, we debated the key question about whether these boobs were surgically enhanced or not, without reaching a clear conclusion. I think they are fake. Not that it would make much difference, however I think you would need to get wet to find out. <[B^) Bill Barber **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 23:46:46 2008 Received: (qmail 23622 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 21:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 21:46:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519C8C38D7; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:46:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:46:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA6CC2940 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:46:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5139 invoked by uid 502); 14 Sep 2008 21:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.205.236) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Sep 2008 21:46:31 -0000 Message-ID: <48CD8631.8050804@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:46:25 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Panasonic G-1 - micro 4/3 camera References: <8CAE33CB7436EE0-B04-17D1@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> <48CC2E73.2080205@gmail.com> <0F4146D2-CA3F-4BDB-A367-F29DB42B05C4@people.net.au> <48CC907D.20206@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 23:46:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cd864655711869477228 Andrew Fildes wrote: > To some extent - I've owned both the Epson RD-1s and M8 and had trouble focussing well, especially with the M8 (holding it for left eyed use, I tended to occlude the RF patch window dammit). The Epson was easier to use. But, I've also owned a Contax G1 and loved it - never got to the G2 which had a better AF system. > Still trying to get this straight. So the RD-1s and M8 both use classic mechanical rangefinders for focus - and you had focus troubles with both. Then the Contax G1 isn't really a rangefinder, in the classic sense, as it has no mechanical rangefinder and uses electronic AF. You loved using it. > The advantage with a 4/3rd rangefinder would be live view for wide and tele, obviating the need for auxilliary finders. It should work really well as a Leica/Contax style AF RF. That's what I'd queue up for, oh yes. > So it appears that you want a high quality digital camera with the form factor of a rangefinder, interchangeable lenses, AF, a high quality zooming optical viewfinder (I assume this from the G1) covering something like 28-135mm eq. and a live view LCD for all focal lengths. If that's correct, then I have been confused because, although you say you want a digital rangefinder camera, that is really a misnomer. You appear to be desiring a rangefinder-like AF camera. Have I got that part right yet? If one choses to equate AF with rangefinding, which is a view that may be argued to be technically true, the problem is that all digicams, pocket to monster DSLR, are then rangefinders - and confusion reigns supreme. Are you looking for a camera that can also use existing RF lenses? It would certainly be interesting to use a short register distance and moving mount and/or sensor (ala Contax) to allow almost any lens with adapter to have AF. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 23:58:45 2008 Received: (qmail 5432 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 21:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 21:58:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11160C28B2; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:58:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:58:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5B4C2868 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:58:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 11498 invoked by uid 502); 14 Sep 2008 21:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.187.53) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Sep 2008 21:58:32 -0000 Message-ID: <48CD8906.7040003@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:58:30 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 23:58:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cd891524601234514069 Sandy Harris wrote: > So given that you have a body spec without space for a mirror, and various available lenses that expect bodies > to tell them where to focus in a "fly-by-wire" system, ... > > Can you put a rangefinder in the body, let the photog control it via a wheel, and then have the body tell the > lens what to do? > It sounds technically possible. Why anyone would do so remains a mystery to me, as I believe AF to be more accurate than a mechanical rangefinder. Perhaps the easiest solution would be akin to what Oly did for late versions of the Olympus Six MF camera. They made a new top plate for the existing bodies that incorporated an uncoupled rangefinder. When they ran out of the old bodies, they slightly modified the top plate of new production, but kept the same concept. How about a nice ordinary digicam with AF with an enlarged top plate to house a mechanical view/rangefinder. The viewfinder would work to frame shots, but the rangefinder would be entirely unrelated to the actual AF focusing. One could even add a nice non-functional distance scale around the lens mount to be set from the rangefinder readout. A. Seditious Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 14 23:59:32 2008 Received: (qmail 5742 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 21:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 21:59:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F246EC2868; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:59:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:59:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62329C2AD9 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:59:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-87.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.87]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080914215918H0500e878ve>; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:59:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.87] Message-ID: <001801c916b5$234f48e0$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: Subject: [OM] Ike Strikes Here Too Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:59:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 14 23:59:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cd8944301662046811720 High winds have really messed things up around here, the remnants of hurricane Ike. Lots of trees down and power outages. My neighbors tree lost 2 large branches into my yard and were laying across my power lines. I had to clear them off of my power lines before the line snapped. My youngest son headed out with me to clear our lines. I had him standby so he could phone the ambulance and explain why his fool of a father was charred meat. The wind was still gusting pretty hard so we cleared the line and headed for shelter quickly. If the line had snapped I'm sure I'd be without power for days at least. As it is, I'm lucky to have any as they are curently flickering. I was afraid I'd lose my craigslist sale if the buyer couldn't listen to my speakers. I love it when I can turn a $40 investment into a $310 profit. The buyer was happy with them and I can use the cash... My boys told me I was an old fool for buying them at that yard sale :) Olympus content, my damaged fence.. http://www.bobdocherty.com/fence.jpg Bob ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 00:06:41 2008 Received: (qmail 17797 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 22:06:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 22:06:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1728C3B64; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:06:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:06:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id BE7CAC2F77 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22415 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2008 22:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.189.206) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 22:06:15 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48CD8631.8050804@gmail.com> References: <8CAE33CB7436EE0-B04-17D1@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> <48CC2E73.2080205@gmail.com> <0F4146D2-CA3F-4BDB-A367-F29DB42B05C4@people.net.au> <48CC907D.20206@gmail.com> <48CD8631.8050804@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Panasonic G-1 - micro 4/3 camera Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:06:22 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 00:06:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cd8af1122531234514069 Groan. How about a 'classic rangefinder format with AF and focus confirmation'. Yes I'd be happy with a G9 shape with interchangeable lenses and a large sensor. The only problem with the G1 was that the finder had no patch and you could miss the point of focus. There was an indication of focus distance but that was less than useful except for MF. In fact, as I remember, the G9 has something very similar. The Contax even managed a (horrendously expensive) standard zoom. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 15/09/2008, at 7:46 AM, Moose wrote: > Still trying to get this straight. So the RD-1s and M8 both use > classic > mechanical rangefinders for focus - and you had focus troubles with > both. > > Then the Contax G1 isn't really a rangefinder, in the classic > sense, as > it has no mechanical rangefinder and uses electronic AF. You loved > using it. >> The advantage with a 4/3rd rangefinder would be live view for wide >> and tele, obviating the need for auxilliary finders. It should >> work really well as a Leica/Contax style AF RF. That's what I'd >> queue up for, oh yes. >> > So it appears that you want a high quality digital camera with the > form > factor of a rangefinder, interchangeable lenses, AF, a high quality > zooming optical viewfinder (I assume this from the G1) covering > something like 28-135mm eq. and a live view LCD for all focal lengths. > > If that's correct, then I have been confused because, although you say > you want a digital rangefinder camera, that is really a misnomer. You > appear to be desiring a rangefinder-like AF camera. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 00:13:39 2008 Received: (qmail 15204 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 22:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 22:13:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B60C395C; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:13:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:13:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C7DC2C88 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:13:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19231 invoked by uid 502); 14 Sep 2008 22:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.168.105) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Sep 2008 22:13:26 -0000 Message-ID: <48CD8C84.30805@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:13:24 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 00:13:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cd8c93203271993019900 Warren Kato wrote: > Would you settle for a "virtual" rangefinder where the electronic viewfinder splits the image in two by taking sequential near/far images and puts them in a little window? > LOL! I can't decide whether that's ridiculous or sublime. > Warren > > PS I note that when Contax came up with the beautiful G1 and G2 that they dropped the use of a rangefinder for use of autofocus. I think the market for a true mechanical rangefinder is rather small (at the risk of being called a Luddite). > I bought a Walz mechanical rangefinder to go with an Olympus Six. It mounts in the flash shoe to replace my dodgy distance guessing capability. This was quite a common arrangement back "in the day" for many brands and sorts of cameras.. It was quite a bit out of adjustment, showing, for example 30 feet for a 24 foot measured distance. I found on the web how to adjust it. To adjust within a foot at that distance is tricky. According to my reading, the Walz was supposed to be pretty good at the time. It's now reasonably accurate, but seems much less precise than the AF on my digital cameras. Then there is the question of how precise the markings on the lens are. I don't know about other cameras of the era, but on the Oly Six, the distance ring is adjustable on the lens. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 00:19:03 2008 Received: (qmail 28980 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 22:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 22:19:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9292CC3BDF; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:18:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:18:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CF3C39BC for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:18:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21698 invoked by uid 502); 14 Sep 2008 22:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.168.105) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Sep 2008 22:18:50 -0000 Message-ID: <48CD8DC8.6070503@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:18:48 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Ike Strikes Here Too References: <001801c916b5$234f48e0$6601a8c0@hpd220> In-Reply-To: <001801c916b5$234f48e0$6601a8c0@hpd220> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 00:19:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cd8dd7275001499373980 Bob Docherty wrote: > High winds have really messed things up around here, the remnants of hurricane Ike. Lots of trees down and power outages. My neighbors tree lost 2 large branches into my yard and were laying across my power lines. I had to clear them off of my power lines before the line snapped. > My youngest son headed out with me to clear our lines. I had him standby so he could phone the ambulance and explain why his fool of a father was charred meat. The wind was still gusting pretty hard so we cleared the line and headed for shelter quickly. > The distinction between brave and foolhardy is determined by outcome? :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 00:36:53 2008 Received: (qmail 8990 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2008 22:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 22:36:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEF2C2EA1; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:36:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:36:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id A1DA1C36BC for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:36:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28247 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2008 22:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.189.206) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 22:36:28 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48CD8906.7040003@gmail.com> References: <48CD8906.7040003@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <788815B9-62A3-4694-B68D-BCA3582696E2@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:36:36 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 00:36:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cd920553751234514069 Not ordinary please. One of the nice things about both the Epson and The Leica was their simplicity. Back to basics. For instance - exposure compensation on the M8? Check the auto reading and then select a different non-auto shutter speed or aperture. There may have been a cuter way but that worked really well. The Auto setting worked well as a meter. Both of them felt like proper cameras - four variables - S, A, WB and ISO. No scene modes, teeth finder or owt. No 'would you prefer 1/3rd or 1/2 stop increments?' That's all a bit ordinary. Just add AF. Leave the RF patch and allow MF tweaking plus focus lock - that'd be more historically sound I suppose. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 15/09/2008, at 7:58 AM, Moose wrote: > How about a nice ordinary digicam with AF with an enlarged top > plate to > house a mechanical view/rangefinder. The viewfinder would work to > frame > shots, but the rangefinder would be entirely unrelated to the > actual AF > focusing. One could even add a nice non-functional distance scale > around > the lens mount to be set from the rangefinder readout. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 02:25:37 2008 Received: (qmail 11187 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 00:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 00:25:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63994C2C2E; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:25:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:25:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BD4C31E6 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:25:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so680799ele.8 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:25:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=FDt8kaQVl/PGXkWqJuv2EXkvXdKLmaTH4OwijDjPRtE=; b=rRjb0bblBqy0re6xTwwYR/qZMn6ok3WOcqdubc+HoF94RnchtTKAHK4mnWsCbWlGIq l2TUEjOTU1mtjmauphFihSxOiNAm4sM9To72CO4FLgE5bNhzaGAt/NhgsPPZzffDkTiL 13m8CK7cFZUWq34bgf8/x3Ltxuqb4cb91Wkrs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=p7uaAFOvRP2DMYWguQZ6on2mrPICjH0L43vdYgdecA/uFUCqaulyj4juWoN4P3IgM3 u28cK3zla9AFIJCafWeNArMSWHKHvRoiBwjKx9wnFtGYGfnIjQIhkUBXzQBAgxSUIyjD J18N5xEaSI6rYL8J0auHUJ6GJgsQk5ddFfkLw= Received: by 10.90.87.7 with SMTP id k7mr1150447agb.41.1221438324226; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:25:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:25:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:25:24 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? In-Reply-To: <48CD8906.7040003@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48CD8906.7040003@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d9ad99133e73aa90 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 02:25:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cdab81145521744846740 Field-dressed Moose wrote: >It sounds technically possible. Why anyone would do so remains a mystery >to me, as I believe AF to be more accurate than a mechanical rangefinder. I'm not sure what you mean by "AF to be more accurate than a mechanical rangefinder". More accurate how? More precise? Faster? More reliable? Less human factor? Two cameras sitting side-by-side on a shelf are neither better than the other. It is only through the application of said cameras to the purpose of taking pictures which you find one to be more accurate in operation than the other. Let's see how this "accuracy" plays out in two real world situations: 1. Sports Photography or other photography where the subjects are moving--usually rapidly. Modern AF is definitely more accurate provided that the camera has an opportunity to prefocus and track prior to the actual shutter-release. Anticipitory photography (taking a picture of a racecar cresting a hill) almost always requires you to prefocus and "trap" the subject as it passes into the focus plane. Normal sports photography--is a bit of a chore with manual focus, and near impossible with a tiny rangefinder dot. All those wonderful sports pictures from the '50s and '60s had a dirty little secret--zone focusing. 2. Portrait Photography. Would you mind telling me how AF is going to figure out that the eyes are the focus point (which one?) and not the nose or hair or ears or ear-hairs? Oh yes, "face-recognition" software. All of these nifty software advances all make up for the inherent limitations of the AF systems not having a clue what they are pointing at. Nothing that another 40 AF points can't take care of. Now, I will freely admit that AF is a wonderful asset and nothing that I wish to be without in many circumstances, but I'd prefer to have a camera that has the best of both worlds--outstanding AF as well as an outstanding rangefinder or split-image focus-aid. Unfortunately, in the mad rush towards AF and then Digital, we have given up on the outstanding focusing ergonomics and features of the older cameras. Disposable "my AF is faster than your AF" cameras, tiny, cramped viewfinders or rangefinder-style optics with inaccurate and horrid views rule the day. It would be one thing if modern cameras had viewfinders and rangefinders as good as the "good old days", but that doesn't matter anymore--features and sensors are the only thing that anybody concerns themselves with. Meanwhile we're seeing entire generation of top-of-the-heap lenses and camera systems draw dust not because the cameras aren't as good anymore, but we photographers aren't as good anymore. Modern technology, including AF, is to cover up our own weeknesses and of course to administer comfort to those who like the "new shiny". Is AF more accurate than RF? Maybe, maybe not. But without defining the scope of the comparison we are making assumptions which are true sometimes, but not always. I alluded to the human-factor. Technology is a way to bring up to an acceptable standard what would have been a trashed photograph, but at the same time it is also the leveler in being able to bring down the outstanding to the same "acceptable" standard. How many of us choose to manual-focus, focus-override, choose manual exposure, etc in select circumstances? A camera's ability to get out of the way of the photographer is as important as its ability to assist the photographer. Unfortunately, today's cameras (even the $8000 1DsMk3 or the D3) present significant roadblocks in the way of the photographer choosing to do something as simple as manually focus the camera. 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(moose@71.139.195.146) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 15 Sep 2008 05:23:18 -0000 Message-ID: <48CDF142.9020902@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:23:14 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? References: <48CD8906.7040003@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 07:23:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cdf15e67491234514069 A. Pissy Schnozz wrote: > Field-dressed Moose wrote: > >> It sounds technically possible. Why anyone would do so remains a mystery >> to me, as I believe AF to be more accurate than a mechanical rangefinder. >> First, allow me to wonder why I have been chosen to receive so much free floating hostility about things far beyond the scope of what I wrote about. Sort of like the first random victim of a shopping mall multiple homicide? > I'm not sure what you mean by "AF to be more accurate than a mechanical rangefinder". More accurate how? More precise? Faster? More reliable? Less human factor? > Yes. No. No. No. I thought about commenting on those last three factors you mention in both the post to which you reply and the one in a similar vein responding to Andrew's post. However, as evinced in the content of those missives, I chose not to do so. Had I meant to address them, I would have done so directly. You neglected to mention another important factor that I also chose to ignore, ability to focus in poor light. By more accurate, I indeed mean more precise in setting the focal plane of the lens so as to obtain the best focus on the desired part of the subject. > Two cameras sitting side-by-side on a shelf are neither better than the other. It is only through the application of said cameras to the purpose of taking pictures which you find one to be more accurate in operation than the other. Well, Duh. > Let's see how this "accuracy" plays out in two real world situations: > You've chosen two types of photography that aren't far removed for me from theoretical discussions of focal systems of cameras sitting on a shelf. Nevertheless, I press on. > 1. Sports Photography ... In summary, you agree that AF is better than a mechanical rangefinder in almost all instances of sports photography but perhaps those that use prefocus. > > 2. Portrait Photography. Would you mind telling me how AF is going to figure out that the eyes are the focus point (which one?) and not the nose or hair or ears or ear-hairs? OK, lets get down to it. I only, and very carefully so, addressed myself to mechanical rangefinders vs. AF. Didn't you notice how often in today's posts on the subject I carefully repeated the phrase "mechanical rangefinder"? Are you going to tell me that a mechanical rangefinder can make those fine distinctions? Assuming mechanical accuracy and repeatability, I can't see that fine a distinction in a rangefinder. But I have not used a Leica - and they are magic, right? Since you wander, both explicitly and by implication, as here, outside of the strict mechanical rangefinder vs. AF boundary, I have a bit more to say here. I assume here from your title, that good light may be assumed. As it happens, I can see focus fairly well in half decent light even on the 300D. On the 5D, it's quite clear. As I say, I do virtually no formal/posed portrait photography. I imagine the fine focus requirements are similar to close-up/macro photography. I do a lot of that. Depending on lens, phase of the moon and other less clear factors I sometimes try AF up to several times with small changes in the central AF point location and sometimes use MF. In either case, final focus is determined from the viewfinder image. Obviously, I can't speak for others, but I assume poor visual acuity would also negatively impact the ability to use a mechanical rangefinder accurately. > Oh yes, "face-recognition" software. All of these nifty software advances all make up for the inherent limitations of the AF systems not having a clue what they are pointing at. Nothing that another 40 AF points can't take care of. > Now you are being a bad Schnozz. You know me well enough to know that I only use the central AF point. And I repeated that assertion again today. I can imagine situations where multi point focus systems might work, although I can as readily imagine where they would miss the point. In experimenting, I have encountered the later and not the former. I use one point and focus lock. I don't believe I have a camera that does face and/or smile recognition focusing. If the A650 happens to do so, I assure you I have never used it. You write as though AF were a mystery, perhaps evil, as well, without any clues. I don't find that to be true. AF is a tool and each AF system at least slightly different than others. As with other tools of photography, study and practice will improve the results one obtains. Knowing in which situations it works well, in which it works poorly or not at all and how to use it to best advantage is the mark of serious technique. > Now, I will freely admit that AF is a wonderful asset and nothing that I wish to be without in many circumstances, but I'd prefer to have a camera that has the best of both worlds--outstanding AF as well as an outstanding rangefinder C/hacun/ /son got./ > or split-image focus-aid. Nope, nope, nope. You don't get to refer to focusing aids on SLR viewfinder screens in this narrowly defined topic. I was very careful to stay away from that. Too broad a subject and not germane to what I was talking about. > Unfortunately, in the mad rush towards AF and then Digital, we have given up on the outstanding focusing > ergonomics and features of the older cameras. What you mean "we"? I have never liked rangefinders. I continue to use SLR viewfinders to focus. Cast your rant in somebody else's direction. > Disposable "my AF is faster than your AF" cameras, tiny, cramped viewfinders or rangefinder-style optics > with inaccurate and horrid views rule the day. > Again, a matter of taste. I really, actually, for real, LIKE LCDs as viewfinder on small cameras. I think they are better than the optical viewfinders on so many comparable film cameras. Exact framing and no parallax error are a joy to me. And with the extended, often too deep, DOF of the short focal length lenses, the difficulty of seeing exact focal plane before enlarging the shot in review mode is not much of a limitation. Nose, eyes, ear, chair back and the guy watering his lawn across the street are all in focus. :-) I don't know how I will like them on a DSLR, as I've never used one with "A" type live view other than to peer at for a few moments in a shop. > It would be one thing if modern cameras had viewfinders and rangefinders as good as the "good old days", but that doesn't matter anymore--features and sensors are the only thing that anybody concerns themselves with. Speak for yourself. Don't throw it at me. > Meanwhile we're seeing entire generation of top-of-the-heap lenses and camera systems draw dust not because the cameras aren't as good anymore, but we photographers aren't as good anymore. Modern technology, including AF, is to cover up our own weeknesses and of course to administer comfort to those who like the "new shiny". > Would you mind taking your religious discussions elsewhere. Or at least not using my posts as targets. Had you chosen to say at the beginning that my post had led you off into thinking about other related things and the way photography is leading the decline of civilization into chaos and destruction, you wouldn't be getting all this response from me. Sure, the world is going to Hell in a handbasket. Moral decay is destroying us all, and Satan will be the victor. Can you see how close your last couple of paragraphs sound to that? If you believe that, fine, but keep it away from me, please. > Is AF more accurate than RF? Maybe, maybe not. But without defining the scope of the comparison we are making assumptions which are true sometimes, but not always. > Quit including me in your "we", if you don't mind. As above, I believe my statement was simple and clear. Tossing a bunch of your baggage out to muddy the waters needn't, and shouldn't, include me. In fact, why are you using "we" at all? All this sloth and decay doesn't accord with my experience of your photography. Are you confessing your secret sins from which you have shielded us? Or using the rhetorical devices of tent meeting preachers? > I alluded to the human-factor. Technology is a way to bring up to an acceptable standard what would have been a trashed photograph, but at the same time it is also the leveler in being able to bring down the outstanding > to the same "acceptable" standard. And what's new about that? Have you looked recently at a pile of film P&S 4x6s from the average camera user? There will always be only a few with the interest and skills to carry out any craft at a high level of quality. > How many of us choose to manual-focus, focus-override, choose manual exposure, etc in select circumstances? Me, on all counts, and you as well. And many, likely a majority, on this list. Who is all this aimed at? > A camera's ability to get out of the way of the photographer is as important as its ability to assist the photographer. I'm still shooting film, although it's a small minority of my shots. Wonderful as they are, and much as I like them, my OM-1 and 4 bodies get in the way more, overall than does the 5D. I was shooting in a botanic garden on Friday. Out of 119 shots, virtually all have focus spot on. A handful are motion blurred where ISO 1600 and IS couldn't handle deep shade or a bit of breeze moved the subject. On the other hand, as I spun the ISO dial up and down between 100 and 1600 as I went from direct sun through various amounts of shade and back, I remember thinking more than once how happy I was not to have brought a film camera for that outing. I guess I could have carried three, each with a different film speed ... I don't like the 5D as I have always liked my OMs. But at the level of getting the shot, they are all tools, with their own strengths and weaknesses. > Unfortunately, today's cameras (even the $8000 1DsMk3 or the D3) present significant roadblocks in the way of the photographer choosing to do something as simple as manually focus the camera. > That is not my experience. Especially with the 90/2.8 macro, I find MF rather useful and mostly enjoyable. When I say mostly, I'm thinking of various small pieces of vegetation that have insisted on moving around as I try to photograph them. The two cameras cited would indeed get in the way of me getting a sharp image, by being too heavy to hold still for long. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 07:43:43 2008 Received: (qmail 30169 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 05:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 05:43:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1E7C3429; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:43:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:43:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF3DC30FD for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:43:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2514 invoked by uid 502); 15 Sep 2008 05:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.166.19) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 15 Sep 2008 05:43:17 -0000 Message-ID: <48CDF5EF.6000307@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:43:11 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? References: <48CD8906.7040003@gmail.com> <788815B9-62A3-4694-B68D-BCA3582696E2@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <788815B9-62A3-4694-B68D-BCA3582696E2@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 07:43:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cdf60f301234514069 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Not ordinary please. Oops. By ordinary, I meant to say of conventional design, not of plebeian quality. > One of the nice things about both the Epson and The Leica was their simplicity. Back to basics. For instance - > exposure compensation on the M8? Check the auto reading and then select a different non-auto shutter speed or aperture. Back to basics, yes. Simple? to me less so than a direct compensation function. > There may have been a cuter way but that worked really well. Not cuter, but I prefer pushing a button and adjusting compensation directly in EV steps. > The Auto setting worked well as a meter. Both of them felt like proper cameras - four variables - S, A, WB and > ISO. Whoa, hold on there. WB is a "purer" control than exposure comp.? I thought "proper" cameras adjusted ISO by changing rolls and WB with that and/or filters. > No scene modes, teeth finder or owt. I don't use any of that stuff. Is just having it there enough to rule out a camera that otherwise meets my need very well? > No 'would you prefer 1/3rd or 1/2 stop increments?' That's all a bit ordinary. > How can you waste the attention to even think about that stuff? > Just add AF. Leave the RF patch and allow MF tweaking plus focus lock - that'd be more historically sound I suppose. > AF, WB adjust, ISO adjust, none of it's historically sound mate. Me, I'll just skip the RF patch. No point paying the price in money, size and weight of something I won't use. I'd rather use them for a twist and tilt LCD. ;-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 08:05:57 2008 Received: (qmail 14745 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 06:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 06:05:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03B9C3242; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:05:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:05:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8E0C3D62 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:05:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 145.red-79-147-168.staticip.rima-tde.net ([79.147.168.145]:50942 helo=[192.168.2.104]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Kf7DR-00087O-5Q (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:05:42 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, Picture a Day discussion group Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 37: more from around here Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:05:39 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 08:05:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cdfb45145961591313764 When sitting down to choose my PAWs this weekend, I was a bit concerned because I thought it had been a slow week, photographically speaking. But in the end I was able to come up with what I think is a reasonable selection. No trips or spectacular events, just more pictures to show you what my part of the world looks like: http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=158 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 08:58:36 2008 Received: (qmail 20538 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 06:58:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 06:58:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2556C2844; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:58:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:58:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DEC9C2785 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:58:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so1234490wah.17 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:58:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cqjFDeDi+KVN47URPvs6f1SWvIzDGUpeKe4bwgX0rDY=; b=d1G0nkg2U5gNwR9DRLzbOsQ3YntO/UQY+xKxnkYY/bBi1vUSOR36wRPXlmgS2Q7Fu/ YHEp1yrIOhic2Y+dFG0wa5fZkH4lM/o2xrmGmkVMTFU+spAid06fHFu3qZ8BYDuLc+z1 52JAxInCV97LR+FnZunSQe0irBa25kpvVu5lg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=a3DC/22LnE7g4RGFIk+8oV4Fvh7yKoW5EcXsGCdbqmwb/X4coFDkVuckIUPkL9pqkF 5shJ7wynPFplmJkI265O+fbHaIvelgc7bbD47OE1BCkJJBVgIlJe8Bg8OUqcMRxbM1Ih ktZxRPcw71klxWtdkOCgXgJxUHm2dDuJLCp68= Received: by 10.114.127.1 with SMTP id z1mr5797129wac.94.1221461902401; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.39.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j34sm17659892waf.48.2008.09.14.23.58.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48CE0785.4010300@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:58:13 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 37: more from around here References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 08:58:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce079c109101234514069 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > ... > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=158 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. I'm fond of Alternate 6, in which, for me, the boat is an essential "beauty spot", and there's a humour in Alternate 4 that is appealing as well. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 09:12:00 2008 Received: (qmail 23947 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 07:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 07:11:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55ED1C2CD1; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:11:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:11:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE213C2C66 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:11:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so1237252wah.17 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:11:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=LFEne3nuouerXMSA1Jo9EgLkBZEpTGTx0xvCuXf4idA=; b=r1XyUivChYTk8hfC5ZXZhiQvIuTHun+pKtR0JuA0ZU3MgcgPR96FYlDrBz7BeDiRlZ 65p1a2/X6NNbvxr1etJSsJJ1EMu9Wypvd6+cmxsmsSSnFR9I9QT80VHKZCGr5jwebrWY ZL5fQyfvjSUnzmY/yLsO73sMb3kbb2fUynVdI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uktSFLxJEBP+bC6VMX1lN3SV+F+ZwAk8Bon75HwJzqOwXB7/10CAc3aQdSTs1LZ0I2 TdjPytDFM2mSFZcGyeto8GMwEgLt/ogvWGD1lKXrrPRATgaUtCwcpJSsHgX+5ZQrfpSq 6p1Nst7OP+lrJ2Y9oa3Oj0392zoz+m7xtEDbw= Received: by 10.114.133.1 with SMTP id g1mr5782420wad.149.1221462706229; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.39.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n40sm17702604wag.39.2008.09.15.00.11.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48CE0AA8.5060808@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:11:36 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Family Gallery Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 09:11:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce0abf296991869477228 I've been working a little on populating the "Family" section of my gallery. I've tried to pick those photos that, as well as being appreciated by my family (or, in some cases, not), might be appreciated just in general by at least other photographers. That is, I *hope* they are not "just snapshots" in the pejorative sense. At the moment I've only got 24 up, but I'm hoping any opinions offered here give me something to go on with. So, if you've time and inclination, all criticism (as per last time with your tips on the layout, but this time on content) would be most welcome. This link takes you straight to the Family part of the gallery: http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=90 They're from assorted cameras, but, for what it's worth, there's at least a couple each from an Oly c5050z and an OM1. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 09:54:55 2008 Received: (qmail 15369 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 07:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 07:54:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF17C33C4; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:54:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:54:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE9EC3345 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:54:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1860565wfd.5 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:54:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=uQo+4ruKCNeQxb7jXIhNZcLS2MDHVV60vLi+gcJ1HDA=; b=mOxUAKJbSkglailJ2BdHUeBr3cq7EncAJ2weOXY68QJQiPdkyO7GCy8gF3AvbRIb1P vEv4TBhIcHVwZ8hvws7BmWLvdULS8NWECGvMLYV35D0E12mAtdIXaPVUEdCvNS+igvqX ggXNV2Co5WzCzu7bFzzK/FPN9zMM6Zt9XsNbM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=NekxRdCe2bfsmpzG2lSx/ERPDDzQq/aBatD5C5NhwHpQ5a3uZdf6B14sAgPjhoF3mQ 0UtzulkTd1MuHO1o7xzNmlUQGb510BTCU+xCKaMy5Z+C/Kv7j/DRJN63MO3fJytN1hqn +aNrXELPi8uNryVsG+ts+ro4iqRb7RChp7h2A= Received: by 10.114.196.1 with SMTP id t1mr5811407waf.80.1221465281423; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.107.3 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840809150054t138d77f8m6f041d06c088280c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:54:41 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Day trip to Middelburg, the Netherlands In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840809140927o3fe65b5asba4ea61af75c02c7@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a41a1a7812090cf2 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 09:54:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce14cf287217350615338 And of course I had to get a picture of Wagenaarstraat! (I didn't know you were famous - maybe your family was there before 1979!) Jez On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > > Hi Jez, > > Seems like you had a great day in Middelburg. Does contain some nice > waitresses indeed. No one I know though. Very nice to see that you did > find some nice details and views that someone living there since 1979 > has not photographed yet. Well done. > > Chjeers, > > Wiliam > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 11:21:42 2008 Received: (qmail 620 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 09:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 09:21:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF51C345F; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:21:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:21:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CBFC37AA for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:21:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1888126rvb.29 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:21:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=sD1beWXEJHXITFYqyRDe/bHVT7Vk8bqelFnTmV621eI=; b=mjq8eKAMgjJWeuNQs/gSKIxpWpKWw09R/8wYhVopdnFrMAOD/hlH/ls3gzsMqexuEu asFWD0WOBzuj2tsE04cAjCdGyVFAH3SV/pZ9/BPNKfLSCxA6VBya3pdqOc+ecmdwcFsT tWfJJlrlEIsDcrgRR5z60Yt0tvQqAtizviVO8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=CHJBzhP5TwltvapteZ4awU5wEtQ1OPZB+tmuTP/4G8LqPzmSRinmG0o0Mkk7QFopga zj61vQtQJILaajup1V3QPkjNsw7kc3T0rXXfhetppUu91RaN9HayAdN/bHQVxl+4yDpl qTCm8SOSDWnwOq9pzLeFfGMqQjKBhqhAQ4oRA= Received: by 10.141.79.12 with SMTP id g12mr4645985rvl.29.1221470488289; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.153.11 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080809150221u625e2084xe018fd52665ea51e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:21:28 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Family Gallery In-Reply-To: <48CE0AA8.5060808@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48CE0AA8.5060808@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 11:21:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce292682242336821329 Marc, Nice job. The baby is so cute, is it a boy or a girl? I like B&W pictures. They're more simple & comfortable without colors. For the picture "Mum & Dad", the effect is pretty good. Hod did you do that? --- Michael 2008/9/15 montsnmags@gmail.com > I've been working a little on populating the "Family" section of my > gallery. I've tried to pick those photos that, as well as being > appreciated by my family (or, in some cases, not), might be appreciated > just in general by at least other photographers. That is, I *hope* they > are not "just snapshots" in the pejorative sense. At the moment I've > only got 24 up, but I'm hoping any opinions offered here give me > something to go on with. > > So, if you've time and inclination, all criticism (as per last time with > your tips on the layout, but this time on content) would be most > welcome. This link takes you straight to the Family part of the gallery: > > http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=90 > > They're from assorted cameras, but, for what it's worth, there's at > least a couple each from an Oly c5050z and an OM1. > > Cheers, > Marc > Noosa Heads, Oz > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 11:34:42 2008 Received: (qmail 23853 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 09:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 09:34:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00D5C280F; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:34:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:34:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD1FC30DD for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:34:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1893414wfd.5 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:34:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=+Nz1S87UFl+nHmuKlrzoh0lQf0MlLI/QoiAyYilljB8=; b=CKZAp6rLCbtqBbpzJ7lqw+WE15K8DmRiRFr1XBsc0YdW1YWEqhhHMBBtLnwSHs091J vk176W1E9X8gUDjLKTme/Jbx4KuKPC6YPAbX4Yx3QezhD0q8+MdrPiTiagYPpGNpIjCf Wq1mxYdjVz2PScAg2QKEn6J/0hJKzHdUMUkuc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=G6vD8pnmjwQTWol/n3783yGhucDEuZY/fgBUPTB0w7smPKdp71XG7dede5xbmK2j35 Qie9vc8YgDX/EftbQaItygEXCBKtyfkaiECyRZl0Z6erdWq+GxgMVSnXXK9vIoaBl7Xj HB03OWHt9VfmrqpuHEuvMOy4rpj5wC/MZ4FmI= Received: by 10.114.144.1 with SMTP id r1mr5871891wad.97.1221471269160; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.107.3 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840809150234k5a17b29s1ecb026c9452d3e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:34:29 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> <48C9F3FB.2050207@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1c042108ce7da93a X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 11:34:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce2c3224702070262475 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: I read today that some installations use a home interface box that picks up power from the house power system to power ringers, etc, so maybe my worries are for naught. Jim, For sure the fiber will be terminated in a powered box - it will have an RJ11 phone jack on it (and a load of other sockets) just like a cable modem, and your current phone should work fine. br jez ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 13:56:34 2008 Received: (qmail 11185 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 11:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 11:56:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340C5C2C76; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:56:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:56:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07451C30D3 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:56:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-162-92.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.162.92]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8FBu5hf029551 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:56:16 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Family Gallery Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:58:04 +1000 Message-ID: <001b01c9172a$535a1e50$0401010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <48CE0AA8.5060808@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Importance: Normal thread-index: AckXAlnBsJ7VKFM5TjO7g46oU5iC9QAJ9BYg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 13:56:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce4d72101091234514069 > > So, if you've time and inclination, all criticism (as per > last time with > your tips on the layout, but this time on content) would be most > welcome. This link takes you straight to the Family part of > the gallery: > > http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=90 > Great collection Marc, think I like "Family portrait" the best ! ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 14:02:03 2008 Received: (qmail 11883 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 12:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 12:02:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5636C31FC; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:01:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:01:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF1BC2D1E for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:01:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24127 invoked by uid 518); 15 Sep 2008 12:01:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20080915120148.24126.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] MF lenses on DSLRs Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:01:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.251.164.42 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 14:02:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce4ebb76003675314703 Reposting this link that was sent from the Kiron-Klub at Yahoo Groups Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 14:24:05 2008 Received: (qmail 7124 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 12:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 12:24:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2411C30DD; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:23:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:23:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07231C2E61 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:23:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 8328 invoked by uid 518); 15 Sep 2008 12:23:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20080915122352.8327.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:23:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.251.164.42 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 14:24:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce53e5161709117217770 I've never even seen let alone used a Canon 1D series camera but all 1D series (digital) cameras can use all prior focusing screens from the 1 series film cameras... which includes focusing aids with microprisms and split images. I'd be surprised if the D3 isn't equally compatible. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Ken Norton > Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? > Sent: Sep 15 '08 00:25 >   Unfortunately, today's cameras > (even the $8000 1DsMk3 or the D3) present significant roadblocks in the way > of the photographer choosing to do something as simple as manually focus the > camera. > > AG > http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 14:51:15 2008 Received: (qmail 26385 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 12:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 12:51:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D971C3622; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:51:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:51:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB40C3183 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:51:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7800DIKMCJLJWO@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:50:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:50:50 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird In-reply-to: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 14:51:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce5a43270189117217770 Nice shot mister. At that shutter speed, you're not expected to freeze the wings, but body is nice and sharp. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jim Nichols wrote: > Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, indicating that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, I finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted Takumar 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 14:54:48 2008 Received: (qmail 671 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 12:54:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 12:54:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84F7C3DEC; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:54:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:54:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26063C3B58 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:54:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K78009NKMHUZUSE@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:53:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:54:01 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: repairs In-reply-to: <14883a8b0809131706j6682cdc7ndf46de79a6cb8f83@mail.gmail.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48CE5AE9.6060104@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <202102.32092.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48C90BBD.4090908@verizon.net> <14883a8b0809131706j6682cdc7ndf46de79a6cb8f83@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 14:54:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce5b18186142046811720 Yes, thank you! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Check your mailbox John. I sent one a few days ago that should be arriving > momentarily. > > Charlie > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:14 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > >> Speaking of this, if anyone on the list is considering getting some OM >> work done, please keep me in mind. Turnaround is about 2 weeks. Things >> are getting a little slow as you can imagine. The active customer base >> just isn't what it used to be. >> >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> AS wrote: >>> You could also contact WW Umbach. He provides repair on Zeiss. He is >>> the John H. for Zeiss. Although I am not sure what his limitations >>> are. I have had Contaflex's repaired in the past. May be able to >>> provide info. >>> >>> Here is contact info: >>> >>> W.W. Umbach. Z-V Service. P.O. Box 754 / 1410 Seafarer Drive. >>> Oriental, North Carolina 28571. 919-249-2576 (chk area code) >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 15:43:49 2008 Received: (qmail 5979 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 13:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 13:43:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95367C3EE8; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:43:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:43:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FEAC3C79 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:43:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([72.81.130.245]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K78004OVOS9REIF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:43:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:43:30 -0400 From: Rand E Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question In-reply-to: <9f07ac840809150234k5a17b29s1ecb026c9452d3e5@mail.gmail.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48CE6682.2000603@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> <48C9F3FB.2050207@gmail.com> <9f07ac840809150234k5a17b29s1ecb026c9452d3e5@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rtomcala@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 15:43:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce6695310901470116606 I have FIOS (fibre optic service). Fibre Optic goes to the house to an interface box. Your old phone wire plugs into this box as does your old coax to your television and internet. This applies to Verizon for sure, and most likely the other fibre optic providers also. Rand E. Jez Cunningham wrote: > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > I read today that some > installations use a home interface box that picks up power from the house > power system to power ringers, etc, so maybe my worries are for naught. > > Jim, > > For sure the fiber will be terminated in a powered box - it will have an > RJ11 phone jack on it (and a load of other sockets) just like a cable modem, > and your current phone should work fine. > > br > jez > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 15:51:14 2008 Received: (qmail 14444 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 13:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 13:51:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CB7C3C6D; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:51:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:51:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3A0C3EB0 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:51:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i50so1256067rne.11 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:51:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=UbUHMAIlOQkeBO8OfoZVcGnWrUeBCxP/1M9WeVTKHR8=; b=x6xBNQvpITzbnZ/X/fWVyYlHGVRjZvUXwpACDS9MoXXhWsrkh1lGGcH5wdH7sVPXUs Q1VzEkYZIRi4sz086t5HnHSLPCSAL4GliwY1SKTyLWUHsTzbQbwFMRoJtb2JspMUteVt A1pZxNwOWi/KHfZpn+dgGzA+rltrZz4yBceCU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=siNehfkygSLR9huzt3PvuT791RNzh4CuV4aPABnmP5DWKNNYhGElogEq4ybBJLdMum SNigEfxGP4bjOx2kFvxLMbAykAEYcaQbutrfXIpT4X/aVhPaqpoPkQbUfbDV7fpGhnvE uHH+u+OBFUY5LgaPEuOa+Flz9LeLJVma0MbwM= Received: by 10.90.26.9 with SMTP id 9mr9627113agz.53.1221486661807; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:51:01 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? In-Reply-To: <20080915122352.8327.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080915122352.8327.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4648f01afb46407c X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 15:51:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce6852113241234514069 Dr Flash wrote: >I've never even seen let alone used a Canon 1D series camera but all 1D series (digital) cameras can use all prior focusing screens from >the 1 series film cameras... which includes focusing aids with microprisms and split images. I'd be surprised if the D3 isn't equally >compatible. I did not know that. I have used 1D series cameras and would probably be quite happy having one as a "film back" for my Zuikos. If I could get a microprism-spot screen for it, I'd be a very happy camper. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 16:43:59 2008 Received: (qmail 23245 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 14:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 14:43:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817EAC36EA; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:43:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:43:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF809C3750 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:43:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so626780ywt.89 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:43:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=D9d7zmL1BBfhiCaOZeKL5KD8gBOB5XN9rQVWRwYNoYk=; b=K3fQPmpekzvohfDNWWyR2Vep9/gbRECD3LsJmm9YBkaDBxCjDzAfnHYyHwip2ZiT32 2YQNHcL0S+CtZz/P+ORvNB96ILyX3ZE288bF4D+cPiMz1GpOoi8whPzR4vEhnyLcHzB4 jA4JVPqWU8Olgbd2w9pxPC7oQTdf+xtONzgqc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=KJtuk4KHF/DcZCVsZB2mbsiB0fQ9mSzcEm67mOm8xo12jXmy+HqW62QjE7dpo2bgP2 rrCy1/2cb86af16O53/b0cSqwCbiHlYsgalM7+8tpDgJV7KSifzJ0s4bZ7fpji2RaBde 4zN/+VhRtKXhTqFjclK3hA3yTpUcxwyd5mbno= Received: by 10.90.104.20 with SMTP id b20mr9894251agc.69.1221489824451; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:43:44 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? In-Reply-To: <48CDF142.9020902@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48CD8906.7040003@gmail.com> <48CDF142.9020902@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3a171f0d039a6eb3 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 16:43:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce74af162302070262475 Moose thus did this to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4s4wejeyS0 Ok, a truce, please? Here's the deal. Yes, I did go off on my religious argument about modern technology of which I was aiming it not at you but was just a general rant. Sorry that you interpreted it as anything more than a bad hair day. Now to the specifics of rangefinder focus: I have had several rangefinder focus cameras through the years which have had varying degrees of usabilty: - The rangefinder optics/spot in my Yashicas was REALLY nice as it was very bright and large enough to actually be a bit usable. Accuracy? I've never scientifically measured, but it never was a problem for the half a dozen years I used those GSNs as my primary cameras. As those were "training ground years" for me, I'm pretty positive that the cameras were far more capable of accurate focus than me. I sold off two, and kept one for my "museum" that has a broken RF mechanism. Although the RF spot was large enough to be usable, it was still quite a bit smaller than many other cameras--it made up for it by sheer brightness. - Mamiya 6. Never owned one, but used one a couple of times. The RF spot is very large and very usable. Unfortunately, the color of the spot is not like the Yashicas' BRIGHT YELLOW and is quite a bit harder to focus in low light and against objects that have low contrast. The big advantage of the Mamiya is that the RF spot motion seems to be more in tune with the lens focus ring. The optical movement comes closer to matching the perceived finger-movement than other cameras I've used. - Mamiya Press (forgot which specific model) - Owned one of these beasts for several years. The RF spot was horrid and as close to unusable as I've ever encountered. Sold the camera, kept the case. This camera is the poster-child of rot-gut focusing. If you could get the lens focused accurately, it did take great pictures. I think I have two or three to prove it. - Olympus XA. The spot wasn't contrasty enough and the rangefinder base was far too short. This is not an example of RF done right. - Crown Graphic. My dad has one from the late fifties and mine was from 1964 with the latest/greatest RF system. The focus "ring" (knob on the rack) was the biggest issue with focusing this camera--not the rangefinder add-on. Now granted I had like four different viewfinders/ways to compose for this thing and no one was complete in its own right, but used together, a person could operate quickly and successfully. As to low-light, the Graphics' RF box had a really nifty feature. Mine had a built-in flashlight that shown through the rangefinder windows. All you have to do is press the red button on top (momentary switch) and adjust focus till the two "dots" lined up. Honestly, it worked like a charm (my personal one was broken, however I'd shine a penlight through the eyepiece). My dad's didn't have the built-in light, but had a sliding "hatch" where you could shine a light down through it (his was a side RF, mine was a top RF). In normal daylight operation, what really helped make this rangefinder usable and accurate to use was the fact that the entire optical view was double-imaged. - On rare occasion I've had the pleasure to "hold" a Leica. Is there something magical about the viewfinder's RF image? Well, not really, except for the size. It is large enough that you don't feel like you are desparately trying to exactly point the camera at the subject keeping the subject dead-centered. This totally depends, however, on the magnification of the viewfinder--I personally prefer the viewfinders with the close to 1:1 optics which makes everything so much larger. To me, size does matter. There is a level of brightness to the Leica RF spot which makes this camera easier to focus than other RF cameras and the long RF base greatly improves accuracy as well as smoothness in the linking of the fingers on the focus-ring with what the eye sees. You FEEL like Superman, even if you still are mere mortal. Yes, I do lament the passing of an era where the technology really did reach the peak of design. Those buggy-whips were the best ever made. The OM-4T given to me last year is a perfect example of how a camera design was improved upon to the point where, short of throwing a computer inside, it couldn't be bested without changing the entire form-factor. I very very much like AF. In MOST circumstances it is faster and more accurate than I could ever be. But "most" is not "all". There are days when I lament not having a RF spot. There are rare occasions where that mode of focusing would beat any SLR, liveview or AF made. And, yes, one of those occasions is low-light work. Of the listed systems above, I would gladly use the Leica, Mamiya 6 (or 7) and even the Yashica as the RF spots are bright enough to be usable. Another factor in focusing RF cameras is something that really doesn't happen as much with any other type of camera. The users of RF cameras almost always "zone focus" then fine-adjust with the RF. They look at the subject and as they are bringing the camera to the eye, they've already moved the focus ring to the approximate distance before the eye even is at the viewfinder. The ergonomics of the camera also play into this as the left-hand plays a much greater roll in holding the camera and lens. AG http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 16:45:41 2008 Received: (qmail 7608 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 14:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 14:45:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A35C34E3; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:45:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:45:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A119AC2BFF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:45:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27281 invoked by uid 518); 15 Sep 2008 14:45:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20080915144527.27280.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:45:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.251.164.42 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 16:45:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce7515265461470116606 Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Ken Norton > Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? > Sent: Sep 15 '08 13:51 > > > Dr Flash wrote: > >I've never even seen let alone used a Canon 1D series camera but all 1D > series (digital) cameras can use all prior focusing screens from >the 1 > series film cameras... which includes focusing aids with microprisms and > split images.  I'd be surprised if the D3 isn't equally >compatible. > I did not know that.  I have used 1D series cameras and would probably be > quite happy having one as a "film back" for my Zuikos. If I could get a > microprism-spot screen for it, I'd be a very happy camper. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 16:50:45 2008 Received: (qmail 25453 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 14:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 14:50:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3B8C3278; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:50:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:50:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94467C3C83 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:50:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 979 invoked by uid 518); 15 Sep 2008 14:50:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20080915145032.978.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 37: more from around here Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:50:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.251.164.42 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 16:50:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce7645193191946193717 Alt 9 is the clear winner. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Nathan Wajsman > Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 37: more from around here > Sent: Sep 15 '08 06:05 > > > When sitting down to choose my PAWs this weekend, I was a bit   > concerned because I thought it had been a slow week, photographically   > speaking. But in the end I was able to come up with what I think is a   > reasonable selection. No trips or spectacular events, just more   > pictures to show you what my part of the world looks like: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=158 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 18:09:53 2008 Received: (qmail 26862 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 16:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 16:09:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59747C375C; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:09:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:09:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [207.115.11.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A86EC3229 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:09:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20080915160924H0200165o1e>; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:09:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <2D13FF5779C64EDEB8B3AD8E950B562C@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> <48C9F3FB.2050207@gmail.com> <9f07ac840809150234k5a17b29s1ecb026c9452d3e5@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:09:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 18:09:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce88d179441838542571 Jez, Thanks for confirming what I suspected to be the case. The only down side that I see is that, when winter ice storms hit and the electric power is interrupted, with the AT&T lines, we still have phone service, powered by the copper phone line. Using house power, there will be no phone service. Behind my house there is a power line fuse that powers our block and several others. When squirrels or limbs short the line and blow the fuse link, I guess I will have to resort to my cell phone to report the outage. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jez Cunningham" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 4:34 AM Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Jim Nichols > wrote: > I read today that some > installations use a home interface box that picks up power from the house > power system to power ringers, etc, so maybe my worries are for naught. > > Jim, > > For sure the fiber will be terminated in a powered box - it will have an > RJ11 phone jack on it (and a load of other sockets) just like a cable > modem, > and your current phone should work fine. > > br > jez > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 18:20:21 2008 Received: (qmail 4914 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 16:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 16:20:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F79C371F; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:20:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:20:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685D2C35FF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:20:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080915162007H0500ehsl8e>; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:20:08 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <4ADE77394C2F446AA337EA76E91C46D3@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20080915120148.24126.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Subject: [OM] Re: MF lenses on DSLRs Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:20:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 18:20:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce8b45284062046811720 Chuck, Thanks for the link. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: [OM] MF lenses on DSLRs > Reposting this link that was sent from the Kiron-Klub at Yahoo Groups > > > Chuck Norcutt > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 18:26:51 2008 Received: (qmail 18394 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 16:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 16:26:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4149DC3060; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:26:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:26:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [207.115.11.55]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84313C3218 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:26:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080915162636H0500e67hle>; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:26:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:26:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 18:26:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce8ccb68301702588592 John, Thanks for looking and for your kind words. Perhaps you can answer my question. Does Olympus offer an M42 to 4/3 adapter that is made from one piece of metal? The Fotodiox adapter that I use is made in two parts, held together by set screws that have poor thread retention. It is ok for small lenses, but is not really adequate for a Takumar 200/4.0. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:50 AM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > Nice shot mister. At that shutter speed, you're not expected to freeze > the wings, but body is nice and sharp. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, indicating >> that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, I >> finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted Takumar >> 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 18:29:01 2008 Received: (qmail 16717 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 16:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 16:29:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80154C32A9; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:28:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:28:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D280FC2D9E for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:28:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080915162847H0500eci5ke>; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:28:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <9F23C87D3C1047D89E72385937FBE84B@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> <48C9F3FB.2050207@gmail.com> <9f07ac840809150234k5a17b29s1ecb026c9452d3e5@mail.gmail.com> <48CE6682.2000603@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:28:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 18:29:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce8d4d271389347015869 Thanks. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rand E" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:43 AM Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > > I have FIOS (fibre optic service). Fibre Optic goes to the house to an > interface box. Your old phone wire plugs into this box as does your old > coax to your television and internet. This applies to Verizon for sure, > and most likely the other fibre optic providers also. > Rand E. > > > Jez Cunningham wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Jim Nichols >> wrote: >> I read today that some >> installations use a home interface box that picks up power from the house >> power system to power ringers, etc, so maybe my worries are for naught. >> >> Jim, >> >> For sure the fiber will be terminated in a powered box - it will have an >> RJ11 phone jack on it (and a load of other sockets) just like a cable >> modem, >> and your current phone should work fine. >> >> br >> jez >> >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 18:30:37 2008 Received: (qmail 12562 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 16:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 16:30:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578B5C312E; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:30:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:30:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A03C3144 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:30:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([72.81.130.245]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7800MXXWGZE6YC@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:29:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:29:32 -0400 From: Rand E Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question In-reply-to: <2D13FF5779C64EDEB8B3AD8E950B562C@jimnichols> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48CE8D6C.2090004@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> <48C9F3FB.2050207@gmail.com> <9f07ac840809150234k5a17b29s1ecb026c9452d3e5@mail.gmail.com> <2D13FF5779C64EDEB8B3AD8E950B562C@jimnichols> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rtomcala@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 18:30:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce8dac155031257536491 attached to the interface box is a rechargeable battery which gives you about 12 hours phone service to any WIRED phone in your house. (cordless phones require house current) Jim Nichols wrote: > Jez, > > Thanks for confirming what I suspected to be the case. The only down side > that I see is that, when winter ice storms hit and the electric power is > interrupted, with the AT&T lines, we still have phone service, powered by > the copper phone line. Using house power, there will be no phone service. > Behind my house there is a power line fuse that powers our block and several > others. When squirrels or limbs short the line and blow the fuse link, I > guess I will have to resort to my cell phone to report the outage. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jez Cunningham" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 4:34 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > > > >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Jim Nichols >> wrote: >> I read today that some >> installations use a home interface box that picks up power from the house >> power system to power ringers, etc, so maybe my worries are for naught. >> >> Jim, >> >> For sure the fiber will be terminated in a powered box - it will have an >> RJ11 phone jack on it (and a load of other sockets) just like a cable >> modem, >> and your current phone should work fine. >> >> br >> jez >> >> >> >> > > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 18:30:57 2008 Received: (qmail 11192 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 16:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 16:30:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5553FC32A6; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:30:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:30:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207D5C291B for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:30:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KfGyK-0002ZM-9l for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:30:45 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:30:37 +0100 Message-ID: <017201c91750$635e0b60$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> thread-index: AckXT9uLeU1Hwj82SHi3N4Y5nmcMmgAAD0kQ X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080914-0, 14/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8248/Mon Sep 15 16:28:54 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 18:30:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce8dc1247601744846740 I can answer that one, Jim. Olympus offer but one adaptor, for OM to 4/3, and they only offered that after much denial that it ever existed, and apparent huge reluctance on the part of Olympus. If the Takumar is too heavy for the mount, maybe you could try supporting the lens rather than the body - I assume the camera body itself is not too heavy for the mount set-screws? -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols Sent: 15 September 2008 17:27 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird John, Thanks for looking and for your kind words. Perhaps you can answer my question. Does Olympus offer an M42 to 4/3 adapter that is made from one piece of metal? The Fotodiox adapter that I use is made in two parts, held together by set screws that have poor thread retention. It is ok for small lenses, but is not really adequate for a Takumar 200/4.0. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:50 AM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > Nice shot mister. At that shutter speed, you're not expected to freeze > the wings, but body is nice and sharp. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, indicating >> that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, I >> finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted Takumar >> 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 18:36:22 2008 Received: (qmail 23122 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 16:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 16:36:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AFEC2FD9; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:36:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:36:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E76C37BF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:36:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KfH3Z-0005OK-At for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:36:09 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> <48C9F3FB.2050207@gmail.com> <9f07ac840809150234k5a17b29s1ecb026c9452d3e5@mail.gmail.com> <2D13FF5779C64EDEB8B3AD8E950B562C@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:36:03 +0100 Message-ID: <017601c91751$24ecfa70$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <2D13FF5779C64EDEB8B3AD8E950B562C@jimnichols> thread-index: AckXTXuUpQww7MqJSKaFzzPoMnr4UAAAvGCg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080914-0, 14/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8248/Mon Sep 15 16:28:54 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 18:36:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce8f06250671823421471 That is the conundrum I faced, Jim. Unusually for UK, our power line is on poles, and it runs for a couple of miles to the local distribution sub-station. There is plenty of scope for trees to fall and take out the power (thankfully, ice storms are not a threat), which then kills both my net connection, and my office phone system (a VOIP system which depends on the net connection). I have a small petrol (gasoline) powered generator which is perfectly capable of powering the router, the phone adaptors, a printer and a laptop, so I keep working regardless. The extra woolly clothing can be souced locally! Cost about 100USD, most likely cheaper (or greater outpout at same price) where you are! -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols Sent: 15 September 2008 17:09 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Jez, Thanks for confirming what I suspected to be the case. The only down side that I see is that, when winter ice storms hit and the electric power is interrupted, with the AT&T lines, we still have phone service, powered by the copper phone line. Using house power, there will be no phone service. Behind my house there is a power line fuse that powers our block and several others. When squirrels or limbs short the line and blow the fuse link, I guess I will have to resort to my cell phone to report the outage. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jez Cunningham" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 4:34 AM Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Jim Nichols > wrote: > I read today that some > installations use a home interface box that picks up power from the house > power system to power ringers, etc, so maybe my worries are for naught. > > Jim, > > For sure the fiber will be terminated in a powered box - it will have an > RJ11 phone jack on it (and a load of other sockets) just like a cable > modem, > and your current phone should work fine. > > br > jez > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 18:37:45 2008 Received: (qmail 8283 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 16:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 16:37:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2F4C38DF; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:37:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:37:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B690C389A for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:37:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KfH4u-00030O-Tb for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:37:32 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:37:32 +0100 From: Patrick Moore To: OM Mailing List Subject: [OM] 20mm f1.7 spotted Message-ID: <20080915163732.GD10767@the.earth.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: paddy@earth.li Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 18:37:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce8f59154071257536491 Hi all, saw this photo of the 20mm f1.7 lens mounted on one of the new panasonic bodies: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=29326924 It actually looks quite nice. Hmmm ... a 12 mm and a 35mm to go with it would be very pleasent ... paddy, who is wondering what the VF will be like. -- this signature was brought to you by the letter R and the number 3 htag 0.0.23: [ You know, there should be more to this...] ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 18:40:02 2008 Received: (qmail 29813 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 16:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 16:40:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B190C3B7F; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:39:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:39:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [204.127.217.106]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABD7C3BF4 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:39:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080915163928H0600a1a9re>; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:39:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <998FBC6B62F549FA9DF6069C47BADD16@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> <48C9F3FB.2050207@gmail.com> <9f07ac840809150234k5a17b29s1ecb026c9452d3e5@mail.gmail.com> <2D13FF5779C64EDEB8B3AD8E950B562C@jimnichols> <48CE8D6C.2090004@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:39:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 18:40:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce8fe2294191823421471 That solves the problem. I assume that the battery is maintained at full capacity by some sort of automatic charger. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rand E" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > > attached to the interface box is a rechargeable battery which gives you > about 12 hours phone service to any WIRED phone in your house. > (cordless phones require house current) > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Jez, >> >> Thanks for confirming what I suspected to be the case. The only down >> side >> that I see is that, when winter ice storms hit and the electric power is >> interrupted, with the AT&T lines, we still have phone service, powered by >> the copper phone line. Using house power, there will be no phone >> service. >> Behind my house there is a power line fuse that powers our block and >> several >> others. When squirrels or limbs short the line and blow the fuse link, I >> guess I will have to resort to my cell phone to report the outage. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jez Cunningham" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 4:34 AM >> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question >> >> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Jim Nichols >>> wrote: >>> I read today that some >>> installations use a home interface box that picks up power from the >>> house >>> power system to power ringers, etc, so maybe my worries are for naught. >>> >>> Jim, >>> >>> For sure the fiber will be terminated in a powered box - it will have an >>> RJ11 phone jack on it (and a load of other sockets) just like a cable >>> modem, >>> and your current phone should work fine. >>> >>> br >>> jez >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 18:43:31 2008 Received: (qmail 27270 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 16:43:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 16:43:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9423BC2E7D; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:43:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:43:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [204.127.217.102]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7C9C2BF2 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:43:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20080915164317H0200192cee>; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:43:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <017201c91750$635e0b60$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:43:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 18:43:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce90b344951257536491 Piers, I have resorted to applying three spots of Super Glue to the interface between the two parts of the adapter. I may try to find some soft bonding agent to better retain the screws in the soft aluminum portion of the adapter. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piers Hemy" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:30 AM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > I can answer that one, Jim. Olympus offer but one adaptor, for OM to 4/3, > and they only offered that after much denial that it ever existed, and > apparent huge reluctance on the part of Olympus. > > If the Takumar is too heavy for the mount, maybe you could try supporting > the lens rather than the body - I assume the camera body itself is not too > heavy for the mount set-screws? > > -- > Piers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Jim Nichols > Sent: 15 September 2008 17:27 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > > John, > > Thanks for looking and for your kind words. > > Perhaps you can answer my question. Does Olympus offer an M42 to 4/3 > adapter that is made from one piece of metal? The Fotodiox adapter that I > use is made in two parts, held together by set screws that have poor > thread > retention. It is ok for small lenses, but is not really adequate for a > Takumar 200/4.0. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hermanson" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:50 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > >> >> Nice shot mister. At that shutter speed, you're not expected to freeze >> the wings, but body is nice and sharp. >> >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, indicating >>> that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, I >>> finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted Takumar >>> 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html >>> >>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 18:45:20 2008 Received: (qmail 4907 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 16:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 16:45:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71383C2F6C; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:45:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:45:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C1BC27D2 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:45:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so651317yxj.89 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:45:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Rqx3PXoCVlJAs8drvyFYj7NjiWyueyWQ8WmLdtfyYGE=; b=AtHuBC2cpTc1KoG40K99mTxZePbuFeGhp6LDBa9WS67tF66neUWinO6dqbZGrMLby2 M2IBpSuNT2pIYk/L++r6a2hfdLGYlmSw8uzYxqqY4xL5nJn8bzJXTaNf7WFC/wPbsG/k YlCtXqVQpl2aII1pVeZUJtZb4nzGuCjeWk2Og= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=GOGsFq+T8kDa9YImsEiFl+DXcbjgNlAOZUXbcI1Pe5D5LkBYnvdNJba+ChcCKeBubg TSVhXDxftrjOmQdsgYo8sJMbuAhTjn+4qF1YeZPf7JvTjXGZQyZdY3SXCR0OO+pwTkzq OEbQLzAi8I41VxgvqMghI82Pa5CZJM9j4yPxI= Received: by 10.86.28.2 with SMTP id b2mr2982101fgb.31.1221497103464; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.29.1 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:45:03 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird In-Reply-To: <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 18:45:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce9120173502070262475 Jim, Don't know about the construction but the adaptor can be found/ ordered here: http://www.cameraquest.com/adapt_olyE1.htm Charlie On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > > John, > > Thanks for looking and for your kind words. > > Perhaps you can answer my question. Does Olympus offer an M42 to 4/3 > adapter that is made from one piece of metal? The Fotodiox adapter that I > use is made in two parts, held together by set screws that have poor thread > retention. It is ok for small lenses, but is not really adequate for a > Takumar 200/4.0. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hermanson" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:50 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > > > > > Nice shot mister. At that shutter speed, you're not expected to freeze > > the wings, but body is nice and sharp. > > > > ___________________________________ > > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > > > > Jim Nichols wrote: > >> Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, indicating > >> that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, I > >> finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted Takumar > >> 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. > >> > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html > >> > >> Comments and critiques welcomed. > >> > >> Jim Nichols > >> Tullahoma, TN USA > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 18:48:12 2008 Received: (qmail 29950 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 16:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 16:48:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED08DC3027; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:47:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:47:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [204.127.217.102]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63D7C294D for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:47:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20080915164757H020013d8ee>; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:47:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <0462BE035ADB44D3A63EEEF9AB02446D@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> <48C9F3FB.2050207@gmail.com> <9f07ac840809150234k5a17b29s1ecb026c9452d3e5@mail.gmail.com> <2D13FF5779C64EDEB8B3AD8E950B562C@jimnichols> <017601c91751$24ecfa70$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:48:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 18:48:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce91cc171001499373980 I have not yet resorted to the generator solution. We have natural gas to supply hot water and gas logs in the fireplace, so discomfort can be endured. I try to keep the cell phone charged as an emergency communications asset, but internet service is gone when power is out. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piers Hemy" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > > That is the conundrum I faced, Jim. Unusually for UK, our power line is > on > poles, and it runs for a couple of miles to the local distribution > sub-station. There is plenty of scope for trees to fall and take out the > power (thankfully, ice storms are not a threat), which then kills both my > net connection, and my office phone system (a VOIP system which depends on > the net connection). > > I have a small petrol (gasoline) powered generator which is perfectly > capable of powering the router, the phone adaptors, a printer and a > laptop, > so I keep working regardless. The extra woolly clothing can be souced > locally! > > Cost about 100USD, most likely cheaper (or greater outpout at same price) > where you are! > > -- > Piers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Jim Nichols > Sent: 15 September 2008 17:09 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > > > Jez, > > Thanks for confirming what I suspected to be the case. The only down side > that I see is that, when winter ice storms hit and the electric power is > interrupted, with the AT&T lines, we still have phone service, powered by > the copper phone line. Using house power, there will be no phone service. > Behind my house there is a power line fuse that powers our block and > several > others. When squirrels or limbs short the line and blow the fuse link, I > guess I will have to resort to my cell phone to report the outage. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jez Cunningham" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 4:34 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > > >> >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Jim Nichols >> wrote: >> I read today that some >> installations use a home interface box that picks up power from the house >> power system to power ringers, etc, so maybe my worries are for naught. >> >> Jim, >> >> For sure the fiber will be terminated in a powered box - it will have an >> RJ11 phone jack on it (and a load of other sockets) just like a cable >> modem, >> and your current phone should work fine. >> >> br >> jez >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 18:59:00 2008 Received: (qmail 25120 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 16:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 16:58:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93256C2DE2; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:58:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:58:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF77C2895 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:58:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KfHPU-00050L-77 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:58:48 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:58:41 +0100 Message-ID: <01a301c91754$4edf2b70$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> thread-index: AckXUm/3ZJi4eHcgR2ywGrNsYAiIzwAAaLbg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080914-0, 14/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8248/Mon Sep 15 16:28:54 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 18:59:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce9454161331035110158 The images clearly show a two-piece construction, with set-screws holding the two parts together - which is precisely the same as the Olympus branded OM-4/3 adaptor. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Charles Geilfuss Sent: 15 September 2008 17:45 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird Jim, Don't know about the construction but the adaptor can be found/ ordered here: http://www.cameraquest.com/adapt_olyE1.htm Charlie On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > > John, > > Thanks for looking and for your kind words. > > Perhaps you can answer my question. Does Olympus offer an M42 to 4/3 > adapter that is made from one piece of metal? The Fotodiox adapter > that I use is made in two parts, held together by set screws that have > poor thread retention. It is ok for small lenses, but is not really > adequate for a Takumar 200/4.0. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA --snip ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 18:59:11 2008 Received: (qmail 22111 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 16:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 16:59:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3AEC2C12; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:58:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:58:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B79C3216 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:58:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080915165849H0500efc4le>; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:58:49 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:58:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 18:59:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ce945f285578512572685 Thanks for the link, Charles. From the photos, these also appear to be two-piece adapters. The final line in the comments on the adapters says that, with heavy lenses, one should support BOTH the camera body and the lens. They do appear well made, though more expensive than the one that I have. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > Jim, > Don't know about the construction but the adaptor can be found/ ordered > here: > http://www.cameraquest.com/adapt_olyE1.htm > > Charlie > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Jim Nichols > wrote: > >> >> John, >> >> Thanks for looking and for your kind words. >> >> Perhaps you can answer my question. Does Olympus offer an M42 to 4/3 >> adapter that is made from one piece of metal? The Fotodiox adapter that >> I >> use is made in two parts, held together by set screws that have poor >> thread >> retention. It is ok for small lenses, but is not really adequate for a >> Takumar 200/4.0. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Hermanson" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:50 AM >> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird >> >> >> > >> > Nice shot mister. At that shutter speed, you're not expected to freeze >> > the wings, but body is nice and sharp. >> > >> > ___________________________________ >> > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net >> > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> > >> > >> > Jim Nichols wrote: >> >> Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, >> >> indicating >> >> that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, I >> >> finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted Takumar >> >> 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. >> >> >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html >> >> >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> >> >> Jim Nichols >> >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> > >> > ============================================== >> > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> > ============================================== >> > >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 19:52:33 2008 Received: (qmail 11929 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 17:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 17:52:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1E2C33B8; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:52:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:52:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80378C2F3F for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:52:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so25147183gxk.17 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:52:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=XjcwO1f0iV8R9qD2KpfN0rEdkxzp0QcWCk8eAWcI0Hc=; b=HUEpUtlr77mV7Kerk9qD0NtQxsBh5YBN2cIfWw6JrolT41uSeVC/r35AfgikEtHkzd 23zIPr5MlJOtAm5UWoOUtzKPgmHJAjtkbMiJYoAq/NV4CtorZMXg8ioNfFnuEivmNC4C 4z/X7mpq0WE0e0dCdpFZnTMmz5Nail7I5HpxY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=OVuSN4M0BI2hcpMJdQnBYr18xnre5QicC647Z6/cWItHG0vSzu3JJhgJRSIDO96SbD uAl5bdtPI1kesZ7tX6jTOOzKGWZfhTne7wQwwZTN1k91nShERC1m9LRD1jCONiGoCqD1 EBjzPScVzRL1nn3EPyKDy2eGhGRoxf+XO2EvY= Received: by 10.90.32.14 with SMTP id f14mr54817agf.121.1221501141052; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? ( [207.207.79.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s31sm19800366qbs.11.2008.09.15.10.52.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:51:56 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 19:52:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cea0e1273629347015869 On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > So, now we bid Chuck adios as he keeps travelling west to visit other > listees. Jim C, Jim T, Peter K, shall we attempt a meeting when Chuck is out this way? That'd be fun! Rob ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 19:58:13 2008 Received: (qmail 32422 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 17:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 17:58:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A589DC300D; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:58:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:58:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F779C2F48 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:58:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id CA62481C6T for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:57:59 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:57:59 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style thread-index: AckXW9eth9GSbxqyQ42S+Move994zgAACf5w From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2008 17:57:59.0989 (UTC) FILETIME=[97515650:01C9175C] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 19:58:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cea235239241585427447 I can attempt to attend, but I'd be hard pressed to help coordinate. I'm in the middle of a 13 show run of "Wizard of Oz" at Meydenbauer Theater. Throw in my regular Tuesday night band rehearsals, and I don't have much free time right now. Again, I would make a valiant (Dodge Dart?) effort to attend. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Rob Harrison Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:52 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > So, now we bid Chuck adios as he keeps travelling west to visit other > listees. Jim C, Jim T, Peter K, shall we attempt a meeting when Chuck is out this way? That'd be fun! 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 20:08:48 2008 Received: (qmail 22057 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 18:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 18:08:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC31C3F13; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:08:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:08:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B84C374B for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:07:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([72.81.130.245]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7900NQE0VW0D3K@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:04:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:04:52 -0400 From: Rand E Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question In-reply-to: <998FBC6B62F549FA9DF6069C47BADD16@jimnichols> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48CEA3C4.2040901@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> <48C9F3FB.2050207@gmail.com> <9f07ac840809150234k5a17b29s1ecb026c9452d3e5@mail.gmail.com> <2D13FF5779C64EDEB8B3AD8E950B562C@jimnichols> <48CE8D6C.2090004@verizon.net> <998FBC6B62F549FA9DF6069C47BADD16@jimnichols> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rtomcala@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 20:08:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cea4b0218971529615919 correct on automatic charger Jim Nichols wrote: > That solves the problem. I assume that the battery is maintained at full > capacity by some sort of automatic charger. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rand E" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:29 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > > > >> attached to the interface box is a rechargeable battery which gives you >> about 12 hours phone service to any WIRED phone in your house. >> (cordless phones require house current) >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >> >>> Jez, >>> >>> Thanks for confirming what I suspected to be the case. The only down >>> side >>> that I see is that, when winter ice storms hit and the electric power is >>> interrupted, with the AT&T lines, we still have phone service, powered by >>> the copper phone line. Using house power, there will be no phone >>> service. >>> Behind my house there is a power line fuse that powers our block and >>> several >>> others. When squirrels or limbs short the line and blow the fuse link, I >>> guess I will have to resort to my cell phone to report the outage. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jez Cunningham" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 4:34 AM >>> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Jim Nichols >>>> wrote: >>>> I read today that some >>>> installations use a home interface box that picks up power from the >>>> house >>>> power system to power ringers, etc, so maybe my worries are for naught. >>>> >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> For sure the fiber will be terminated in a powered box - it will have an >>>> RJ11 phone jack on it (and a load of other sockets) just like a cable >>>> modem, >>>> and your current phone should work fine. >>>> >>>> br >>>> jez >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 20:09:13 2008 Received: (qmail 22101 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 18:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 18:09:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33857C4211; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:08:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:08:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CABDC4079 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:08:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([72.81.130.245]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K79003GQ11Q98Y8@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:08:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:08:22 -0400 From: Rand E Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question In-reply-to: <0462BE035ADB44D3A63EEEF9AB02446D@jimnichols> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48CEA496.4050308@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> <48C9F3FB.2050207@gmail.com> <9f07ac840809150234k5a17b29s1ecb026c9452d3e5@mail.gmail.com> <2D13FF5779C64EDEB8B3AD8E950B562C@jimnichols> <017601c91751$24ecfa70$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <0462BE035ADB44D3A63EEEF9AB02446D@jimnichols> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rtomcala@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 20:09:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cea4c9238791993019900 Unless you have a source of electrical power, even with FIOS, you will lose the internet. The router as well as the computer is electrical. Jim Nichols wrote: > I have not yet resorted to the generator solution. We have natural gas to > supply hot water and gas logs in the fireplace, so discomfort can be > endured. I try to keep the cell phone charged as an emergency > communications asset, but internet service is gone when power is out. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Piers Hemy" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:36 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > > > >> That is the conundrum I faced, Jim. Unusually for UK, our power line is >> on >> poles, and it runs for a couple of miles to the local distribution >> sub-station. There is plenty of scope for trees to fall and take out the >> power (thankfully, ice storms are not a threat), which then kills both my >> net connection, and my office phone system (a VOIP system which depends on >> the net connection). >> >> I have a small petrol (gasoline) powered generator which is perfectly >> capable of powering the router, the phone adaptors, a printer and a >> laptop, >> so I keep working regardless. The extra woolly clothing can be souced >> locally! >> >> Cost about 100USD, most likely cheaper (or greater outpout at same price) >> where you are! >> >> -- >> Piers >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf >> Of Jim Nichols >> Sent: 15 September 2008 17:09 >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question >> >> >> Jez, >> >> Thanks for confirming what I suspected to be the case. The only down side >> that I see is that, when winter ice storms hit and the electric power is >> interrupted, with the AT&T lines, we still have phone service, powered by >> the copper phone line. Using house power, there will be no phone service. >> Behind my house there is a power line fuse that powers our block and >> several >> others. When squirrels or limbs short the line and blow the fuse link, I >> guess I will have to resort to my cell phone to report the outage. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jez Cunningham" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 4:34 AM >> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question >> >> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Jim Nichols >>> wrote: >>> I read today that some >>> installations use a home interface box that picks up power from the house >>> power system to power ringers, etc, so maybe my worries are for naught. >>> >>> Jim, >>> >>> For sure the fiber will be terminated in a powered box - it will have an >>> RJ11 phone jack on it (and a load of other sockets) just like a cable >>> modem, >>> and your current phone should work fine. >>> >>> br >>> jez >>> >>> > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 20:13:55 2008 Received: (qmail 13723 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 18:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 18:13:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B04DC2BB2; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:13:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:13:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.64]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E94A7C2C01 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:13:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 92894 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2008 18:13:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ZnI4RZxswbg86+jdkk72yZH2lczDwO1X1WJ/nQDxBdRLsTmy/XF37tc0HmtnNLrMrPlPS+q5qPHzkcBwlY2xhQeEbTJs+ZzNVcHlF3yck8UT6gxAKUylWLUMVAYwCiiLTymze22+V9WXOenje0kdcBBa+8kMPsRFpdcML6RNRAQ=; X-YMail-OSG: xdJ64coVM1lRELdFdubyUtmIWV7X27xvy6ykyk.K9i00yfpe1DPKHXutFYNxtTEHOMF5rHpzJSWfS6bTub6LTWWUO0MrcszQpH2sp.Ij4A-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:13:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:13:43 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] e-500 on FM To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48CEA496.4050308@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <441144.92724.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 20:13:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cea5e3270563675314703 Someone has listed an E-500 for $150 on FM. 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AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 21:03:20 2008 Received: (qmail 26526 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 19:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 19:03:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D86EC36CF; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:03:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:03:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E090C3489 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:03:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 2B255E49FU for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:03:06 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:03:06 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style thread-index: AckXZJZIwuFZz03HSFOQgTdmRlRP7gAARAvQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2008 19:03:06.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFDC5CC0:01C91765] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 21:03:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ceb178313351993019900 I think "The Man" needs to meet Chuck.... -----Original Message----- From: image66@gmail.com [mailto:image66@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Ken Norton Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:55 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style I think Chuck needs to meet "The Man". 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 22:22:37 2008 Received: (qmail 16027 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 20:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 20:22:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF574C3468; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:22:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:22:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.65]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 93455C3561 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:22:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 20817 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2008 20:22:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Lyt81Q8kU9V/wroLvQ2RkbSyglpQRrSiJJmA89f0QQQs/CaT9lF/7Lnmbrq3FJvmGwcbHW4O5HZg3zyau+Pn2poIPDE0RzFnkbx321T8cLvYtULOmtvl0p1e9jhHnnm+hTKDZo5+86KROQIF3ZnMvZgs5zkH4HWCogPkAw0awbM=; X-YMail-OSG: v6evcsoVM1k2woerITHLeW7jrlIjz5._QL1x52ZU04wdKTcQxQ2tJMspjkwj5wwrZLfTJGXH09Hk0ilVE3MVr4aj3iLD5pOGZcB62TkACyemdMQSEjzJzCTcaI_zSCLxBxqGAg5Cp6WiJs_qGoEOUae0 Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:22:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Ike Strikes Here Too To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <001801c916b5$234f48e0$6601a8c0@hpd220> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <824007.19110.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 22:22:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cec40d94897350615338 We had similar type of weather last night. Plenty of power outages and downed trees here also. Of course nothing like Galveston or the Texas coast. Cheering on the hapless Browns last night - the weather started to get wild out in C-town. Could hear the thunder and wind during the game. Hope everyone that is affected is staying safe and sound. --- On Sun, 9/14/08, Bob Docherty wrote: > From: Bob Docherty > Subject: [OM] Ike Strikes Here Too > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 5:59 PM > High winds have really messed things up around here, the > remnants of hurricane Ike. Lots of trees down and power > outages. My neighbors tree lost 2 large branches into my > yard and were laying across my power lines. I had to clear > them off of my power lines before the line snapped. > My youngest son headed out with me to clear our lines. I > had him standby so he could phone the ambulance and explain > why his fool of a father was charred meat. The wind was > still gusting pretty hard so we cleared the line and headed > for shelter quickly. > If the line had snapped I'm sure I'd be without > power for days at least. As it is, I'm lucky to have any > as they are curently flickering. I was afraid I'd lose > my craigslist sale if the buyer couldn't listen to my > speakers. I love it when I can turn a $40 investment into a > $310 profit. The buyer was happy with them and I can use the > cash... My boys told me I was an old fool for buying them at > that yard sale :) > Olympus content, my damaged fence.. > http://www.bobdocherty.com/fence.jpg > > Bob > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 22:43:30 2008 Received: (qmail 22822 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 20:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 20:43:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70457C2EBC; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:43:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:43:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.228]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA994C2D9B for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:43:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so2824423qbc.11 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:43:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=fqOlNSCmc8csCBw6cnAvk3/7xQ+Sk4xDdSAo/angLR8=; b=eQppqDoRvJ1OCXfv/rZzt2jqs/2HMJZbIrK5l04tCD1z6sSwHOlRRWYNqvBDS9pM3S xW+3G1bR3+zl1lwFZ0vXDK7omtfF5vLNHPSiOfWBC+thB9ehqvLaK2/HvXDVAA3Us7pZ 50LX868ZzTQE6QUJaNcVziIaocojVfTxumfgA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Hs3EvfhnRNC5Ny9Xj4ID1s7fKBPpdlIpv0/w83Snxt0+9Cvx+5dHnNuk6mNP3mjORl HQVfGmBbwezR+LXwamQyOeBSH5ORZlsDc/NKjLOiFRu1dCs+9kpIn3ZkDMaqKGu3u40Z KayjxlyUCI//5r8cUopUsZl6+7LbjS4XiGSXw= Received: by 10.86.29.8 with SMTP id c8mr64172fgc.30.1221511396601; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.29.1 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0809151343m7a727682x1dc5df428169ba94@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:43:14 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus Subject: [OM] Spooky Camera Behavior MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 22:43:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cec8f232311234514069 A while back I mentioned that I've been doing some infrared photography with an old Olympus C-700 UZ. I took a few images yesterday of Fort Moultrie on Sullivan's Island. The spooky behavior occured after I downloaded the images to my PC. No I didn't see IR ghosts but I did notice one thumbnail image in the folder was of an image I had deleted from the SM card about a month ago. Much to my surprise when I double clicked the image to open it, it was one of the IR scenics I had taken yesterday and not the full color image of a bumble bee I took and deleted a month ago. I rechecked the camera card by viewing the images through the camera and the bee image is nowhere to be seen. What gives? I would have thought the thumbnails displayed by the PC are generated from the actual photo file on the hard drive. Am I mistaken? Is the thumbnail generated by the camera in a hidden process of which I am unaware? Charlie ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 22:43:40 2008 Received: (qmail 26442 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 20:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 20:43:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB985C2D9B; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:43:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:43:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from po-out-1718.google.com (po-out-1718.google.com [72.14.252.155]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2BFC2E7B for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:43:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by po-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id y22so3927507pof.4 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:43:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=NkPJ/zBGuwN9pXb/mK64lca3Z4OaAvEk1o1iukz8AWw=; b=g7aIw0X8ch4/z30F1w54xe9aYVt3TtcUR+RLZdSannyLy5wsDetr1uE8ilmPLArZP2 Dit4NGQpbGdX8PJm7vtaDc1kX9wkpXVTaSOBrQ5tSM/Dk7DS4N506n7D2bFa97lto/Ii bdZtmns3vgSad+iq5Qdst8eNvXEGkzmzmO41Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=qRl9YQ5rcA5IN/CIZed5351hg7z7P01nO4kc4A14s1kdcuzbURAfk7mZh604DjqtOl fgiMnKxS3owy9V8ZrDjwOUzWJtWDoXe8IxQGT1nVWKgFUYWzCEYPSY7RN73AIF1ZY5kV 1Hn6YvhPQ21nmrPsmeQ/U7KDBr1E+AOGmbyrE= Received: by 10.141.44.13 with SMTP id w13mr5090001rvj.181.1221511399957; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.186.21 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0809151343g6ac97192hfb07a7662ebe8648@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:43:19 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus Subject: [OM] Spooky Camera Behavior MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 22:43:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cec8fc249951869477228 A while back I mentioned that I've been doing some infrared photography with an old Olympus C-700 UZ. I took a few images yesterday of Fort Moultrie on Sullivan's Island. The spooky behavior occured after I downloaded the images to my PC. No I didn't see IR ghosts but I did notice one thumbnail image in the folder was of an image I had deleted from the SM card about a month ago. Much to my surprise when I double clicked the image to open it, it was one of the IR scenics I had taken yesterday and not the full color image of a bumble bee I took and deleted a month ago. I rechecked the camera card by viewing the images through the camera and the bee image is nowhere to be seen. What gives? I would have thought the thumbnails displayed by the PC are generated from the actual photo file on the hard drive. Am I mistaken? Is the thumbnail generated by the camera in a hidden process of which I am unaware? Charlie ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 23:18:30 2008 Received: (qmail 21343 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 21:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 21:18:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601E9C350B; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:18:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:18:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7ECDBC3056 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:18:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24507 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2008 21:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.180.144) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 21:18:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <48CD8906.7040003@gmail.com> <48CDF142.9020902@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <4FB1B993-0AF9-47C7-B781-FCBE439E73EB@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:18:14 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 23:18:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ced126277151869477228 Try one of the Voigtlanders with the actual 1:1 finder (not the 0.92 of an M3) - it is excellent. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 16/09/2008, at 12:43 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > - On rare occasion I've had the pleasure to "hold" a Leica. Is there > something magical about the viewfinder's RF image? Well, not > really, except > for the size. It is large enough that you don't feel like you are > desparately trying to exactly point the camera at the subject > keeping the > subject dead-centered. This totally depends, however, on the > magnification > of the viewfinder--I personally prefer the viewfinders with the > close to 1:1 > optics which makes everything so much larger. To me, size does > matter. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 23:27:16 2008 Received: (qmail 25572 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 21:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 21:27:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70C1C3037; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:27:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:27:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 39818C2E33 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:27:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25989 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2008 21:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.180.144) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 21:26:52 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20080915163732.GD10767@the.earth.li> References: <20080915163732.GD10767@the.earth.li> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <6A44EB3C-D29A-42A7-9A57-C4E2A0E294C8@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: 20mm f1.7 spotted Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:27:01 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 23:27:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ced334168002336821329 That's tidy - glad it's got a decent MF ring, like the Zuiko 25mm. Not stabilised then? Hardly surprising given the size. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 16/09/2008, at 2:37 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > saw this photo of the 20mm f1.7 lens mounted on one of the new > panasonic > bodies: > > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=29326924 > > It actually looks quite nice. Hmmm ... a 12 mm and a 35mm to go > with it > would be very pleasent ... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 23:31:01 2008 Received: (qmail 654 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 21:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 21:31:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C94C2F9E; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:30:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:30:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9098C335B for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:30:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3492 invoked by uid 502); 15 Sep 2008 21:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.201.136) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 15 Sep 2008 21:30:48 -0000 Message-ID: <48CED402.1010108@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:30:42 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Spooky Camera Behavior References: <14883a8b0809151343m7a727682x1dc5df428169ba94@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0809151343m7a727682x1dc5df428169ba94@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 23:31:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ced415311791823421471 Charles Geilfuss wrote: > .... Is the thumbnail generated by the camera in a hidden process of which I am unaware? > I don't know about that particular camera, but yes, that is generally the case. Most file managers, viewers, etc. that display images are capable of generating a thumbnail if there isn't one in the file. iView/MS Expression Media has a discussion in the manual about the pros and cons of use of embedded thumbnails vs. generating new, higher quality and/or different size ones for use in their catalogs. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 15 23:33:04 2008 Received: (qmail 25487 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 21:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 21:33:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D70C3127; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:32:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:32:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87BFC313C for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:32:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5334 invoked by uid 502); 15 Sep 2008 21:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.201.136) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 15 Sep 2008 21:32:51 -0000 Message-ID: <48CED482.2010604@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:32:50 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 20mm f1.7 spotted References: <20080915163732.GD10767@the.earth.li> In-Reply-To: <20080915163732.GD10767@the.earth.li> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 15 23:33:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ced49028494673671140 Patrick Moore wrote: > Hi all, > > saw this photo of the 20mm f1.7 lens mounted on one of the new panasonic > bodies: > > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=29326924 > According to TOP, that's a mock-up, not the actual lens. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 00:12:19 2008 Received: (qmail 30073 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 22:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 22:12:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5189EC320C; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:12:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:12:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48D0C31F4 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:12:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip06.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.84]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K7900JD0CC68SO2@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:12:06 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-78-86.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.78.86]) by ip06.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:14:51 -0300 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:12:20 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Rolleiflex TLR shots at Hong Kong Park To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <7C18612B8A4E46D6B5EB6724A9375A3B@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhoTAAp7zkgYik5W/2dsb2JhbACBXIgOrxsDgWI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,404,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="428882538" References: <60f983080809100500i1e8e697dvd3b3d6f468236f14@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 00:12:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ceddc3151661234514069 I get a 404 error message with this URL. Being a one time long time ago Hong Kong person I'd like to see what ever images there are on view. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wong" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: [OM] Rolleiflex TLR shots at Hong Kong Park > Some shots with Rolleinars (Close up filter set), Kodak E100vs, Canon > 8800F > http://www.michaelphotography.net/HKPark_by_RolleiflexT_20080901/index.html > > > First time try macro shots with close up filter of Rolleinar, the result > is > pretty good. One of benefits is no slower shutter speed is required, much > convenient than shot with extension tube. > > > > --- > Michael > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 00:44:51 2008 Received: (qmail 5303 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 22:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 22:44:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226B1C3219; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:44:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:44:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0E3C31AB for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:44:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080915224434H04009a06ae>; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:44:35 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Subject: [OM] IMG: Pre-Autumn Changes Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:44:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 00:44:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cee563124677927319144 As Autumn approaches, nature brings on more changes. Spider Lilies are popping out of the ground around town, and the ornamental pear trees show miniature fruit. These two shots were taken in our yard, Oly E-510 with focus confirmation adapter, SMC Takumar 55/1.8 lens plus 2X extender, at ISO 800. Shot RAW, processed in Elements 6.0. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Spider+Lily.tif.html http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Ornimental+Pear.tif.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 00:59:13 2008 Received: (qmail 27249 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 22:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 22:59:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B8FC2ED4; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:59:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:59:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC9EC2DF7 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:59:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.d21.39bbdb5f (34923) for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA038-886b48cee8b020e; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:58:56 -0400 Received: from webmail-me12 (webmail-me12.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.204]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA027-5bb848cee8a593; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:58:45 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:58:45 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-me12.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.204) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:58:45 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAE59DBDA04A3F-1F8-2FF6@webmail-me12.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 00:59:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cee8c1161591234514069 The plot thickens. Samsung has been mentioned here before, but here is a bit more info. 2010 seems like a long time but the larger sensor looks interesting. http://tinyurl.com/67nxuc Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 01:17:20 2008 Received: (qmail 11185 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 23:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 23:17:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B3AC3327; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:17:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:17:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28995C2F83 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:17:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19424 invoked by uid 502); 15 Sep 2008 23:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.205.193) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 15 Sep 2008 23:17:08 -0000 Message-ID: <48CEECF1.6060608@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:17:05 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? References: <8CAE59DBDA04A3F-1F8-2FF6@webmail-me12.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CAE59DBDA04A3F-1F8-2FF6@webmail-me12.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 01:17:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ceed00267422046811720 usher99@aol.com wrote: > The plot thickens. Samsung has been mentioned here before, but here is a bit more info. 2010 seems like a long time but the larger sensor looks interesting. > > http://tinyurl.com/67nxuc > I don't see why a pres release for vapor ware from a company that has yet, in many tries, to make a digital camera worth the powder to blow it to h*** should be given any credence. I love the look of the Samsungs. The interface looks interesting. So far, they all have poor performance and crap IQ. A. Skeptical Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 01:43:09 2008 Received: (qmail 5174 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2008 23:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 23:43:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F66C2C6B; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:42:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:42:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.70]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C62C2EA2 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:42:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KfNia-0002KL-00; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:42:56 -0400 Message-ID: <48CEF2F1.60802@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:42:41 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Cc: Rob Harrison , "Timpe, Jim" Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080915-0, 09/15/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 01:43:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cef30d323661702588592 Yes indeed! Jim Couch Rob Harrison wrote: > On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > > >> So, now we bid Chuck adios as he keeps travelling west to visit other >> listees. >> > > Jim C, Jim T, Peter K, shall we attempt a meeting when Chuck is out > this way? That'd be fun! > > Rob > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 02:21:11 2008 Received: (qmail 26820 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 00:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 00:21:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94B0C3184; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:20:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:20:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E81EC2991 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:20:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30492 invoked by uid 518); 16 Sep 2008 00:20:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20080916002057.30491.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:20:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.251.164.42 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 02:21:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cefbf7168322336821329 I'm afraid AG has gotten out ahead of me. I'm not planning to go to Seattle. I'll be cutting down to see Mt. St. Helens and bypassing Seattle. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Jim Couch at home > Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style > Sent: Sep 15 '08 23:42 > > > Yes indeed! > > Jim Couch > > Rob Harrison wrote: > > On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > > > >   > >> So, now we bid Chuck adios as he keeps travelling west to visit other > >> listees. > >>     > > > > Jim C, Jim T, Peter K, shall we attempt a meeting when Chuck is out   > > this way? That'd be fun! > > > > Rob > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > >   > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 02:55:01 2008 Received: (qmail 2019 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 00:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 00:55:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2A1C331E; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:54:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:54:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614D8C2FC2 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:54:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17849 invoked by uid 518); 16 Sep 2008 00:54:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20080916005447.17848.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Spooky Camera Behavior Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:54:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.251.164.42 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 02:55:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cf03e5323161234514069 I believe that many cameras (if not all) do generate a thumbnail which is embedded in the main image. The Minolta A1, for example, stores a small thumbnail for preview on the camera if only raw files are being saved. My Canon 5D stores a roughly 4 MP JPEG image with raw files even if you don't ask it to save JPEGs as well. Every camera is different. Based on the scenario you outlined it sounds as though there must be a bug in the camera firmware or the viewing software you're using (if the viewing software had recently displayed the older image in the same session). I'd try viewing the files on the computer again using a different viewer. If the old thumbnail doesn't show up any more or if the other viewing software doesn't show it any more then it was probably a memory cache bug in your existing viewing software. Otherwise a bug in the camera firmware possibly exacerbated by image deletion in camera. Remember my admonitions the other day not to delete in camera? Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Charles Geilfuss > Subject: [OM] Spooky Camera Behavior > Sent: Sep 15 '08 20:43 > >   A while back I mentioned that I've been doing some infrared photography > with an old Olympus C-700 UZ. I took a few images yesterday of Fort Moultrie > on Sullivan's Island. The spooky behavior occured after I downloaded the > images to my PC. No I didn't see IR ghosts but I did notice one thumbnail > image in the folder was of an image I had deleted from the SM card about a > month ago. Much to my surprise when I double clicked the image to open it, > it was one of the IR scenics I had taken yesterday and not the full color > image of a bumble bee I took and deleted a month ago. I rechecked the camera > card by viewing the images through the camera and the bee image is nowhere > to be seen. What gives? I would have thought the thumbnails displayed by the > PC are generated from the actual photo file on the hard drive. Am I > mistaken? Is the thumbnail generated by the camera in a hidden process of > which I am unaware? > > Charlie > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 03:06:35 2008 Received: (qmail 1740 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 01:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 01:06:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2D8C338B; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:06:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:06:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C745EC34F1 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:06:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so1468789wah.17 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:06:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=pHaJMdrqI27dezoaDkJiFrhCw9GX+J5pC+NUgEL4BgI=; b=BzSwpFGjJDjEq48H21/bmBgKuTcSy3S2Ag7ziKcPKkr13s4NR8fGqt93iNCuMBYuwj okiuiew0Cuj8Mf0VXJjuG2XtpQTIPX+NmSIiETHge+F1R7x6hXeOwL/NSDsRVpCEKoLS RUiVZWYHd8IFnVv7D9Z8yhvWdh3AUG99Fsu8k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=OOXQzrLdnrFkrC7hUa/TUf3ZSz6oIJQQ1lR93hphaj+/BMjyTzffK753xqjlLDGC2F jI+E8zvglzmo3G33qWwXFHPsGLxeCV6+s9wvB0bmd6BzpjsuXUKQa0p7H1GH12Cao4Yk gBvGD3KPHbyEC9vr0adzy759ZHxEEL8AjoabA= Received: by 10.115.76.1 with SMTP id d1mr211233wal.196.1221527179917; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.104? ( [216.39.145.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m31sm19392200wag.21.2008.09.15.18.06.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080916002057.30491.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:05:57 -0700 References: <20080916002057.30491.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 03:06:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cf069b281871073733319 Well forget it then! ;-) When are you going to be down that way? Might be a good excuse for a motorcycle ride..... Rob in Seattle On Sep 15, 2008, at 5:20 PM, wrote: > I'm afraid AG has gotten out ahead of me. I'm not planning to go to > Seattle. I'll be cutting down to see Mt. St. Helens and bypassing > Seattle. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 04:30:11 2008 Received: (qmail 23724 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 02:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 02:30:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71556C3371; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:30:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:30:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F927C3408 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:29:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E13129CA89 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:29:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mu6c9jsqbyRD for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1809129CA7A for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080916013847.A3BA1C2D00@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:29:53 -0700 References: <20080916013847.A3BA1C2D00@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 04:30:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cf1a33256905368819438 > From: Rob Harrison > > On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> So, now we bid Chuck adios as he keeps travelling west to visit other >> listees. > > Jim C, Jim T, Peter K, shall we attempt a meeting when Chuck is out > this way? That'd be fun! Then y'all can hop on the Victoria Clipper, take the #70 bus to Swartz Bay, and then a 35 minute ferry to Salt Spring Island, and we can have some REAL fun! :::: Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. :::: Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx :::: Jan Steinman ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 04:40:22 2008 Received: (qmail 11098 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 02:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 02:40:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D0DC2E88; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:40:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:40:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.234]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF0BC2928 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:40:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2230307rvb.29 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:40:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Ol81om9qMgbwYXAtmNfIVt0/YpKbXJJVbiVcrpbwC4I=; b=TB1LjPFr1/bu+aROoIVGQSZrniQkwTQIzesqLXnvu5m0k+FFTgAMLxQ9DaDPK8GqCd PRTk0SAl/2WzCe36IsIMcXFH1eEJjTTKnn5yeiTI1Vbuke3iD6YGzs3TZv1b1yUDf63J IvSaCqY5VycbOL98aG/c126G8oARZf5Rco6fQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=qYQfOC9nVWRLLFxhmsVOXdh0knN7pt5OJ+U1f+iSNaFR1wrLh4i9gU2oaj1HGaqDdW YJmhhdQS89PBSL6/leEgMOKGRNz8Z7//ikYZNSl8/AMUriseCFNVbtrYjSBl8TXayQlK 6UBhSxo68/ViooC/QAkV7nlR/Yet3UINNwMRM= Received: by 10.141.36.10 with SMTP id o10mr5306846rvj.176.1221532808733; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.153.11 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080809151940g465b649csb20d6d2277995322@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:40:08 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rolleiflex TLR shots at Hong Kong Park In-Reply-To: <7C18612B8A4E46D6B5EB6724A9375A3B@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080809100500i1e8e697dvd3b3d6f468236f14@mail.gmail.com> <7C18612B8A4E46D6B5EB6724A9375A3B@hudson> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 04:40:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cf1c95140411342116753 Sorry that I have moved the album to "Gallery" as following website:- http://www.michaelphotography.net/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album91 Enjoy. --- Michael 2008/9/16 John Hudson > > I get a 404 error message with this URL. > > Being a one time long time ago Hong Kong person I'd like to see what ever > images there are on view. > > jh > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Wong" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:00 AM > Subject: [OM] Rolleiflex TLR shots at Hong Kong Park > > > > Some shots with Rolleinars (Close up filter set), Kodak E100vs, Canon > > 8800F > > > http://www.michaelphotography.net/HKPark_by_RolleiflexT_20080901/index.html > > > > > > First time try macro shots with close up filter of Rolleinar, the result > > is > > pretty good. One of benefits is no slower shutter speed is required, much > > convenient than shot with extension tube. > > > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 04:41:38 2008 Received: (qmail 12945 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 02:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 02:41:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46103C3407; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:41:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:41:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD3CC3043 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:41:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.cb7.3b9dfbf8 (37557) for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB036-92b548cf1cd0191; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:41:20 -0400 Received: from webmail-me14 (webmail-me14.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.206]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA024-5c4e48cf1cc22d3; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:41:06 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:41:06 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.206) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:41:06 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAE5BCCD63227E-FAC-3A0E@webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 04:41:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cf1ce2100301702588592 Skepticism noted---the editor of that journal seemed to have a similar attitude.? I am no Samsung fan mind you.? Their FF DSLR is slated to have a Pentax mount, with whom they have been collaborating for some time.? They also have an unclear relationship with Tokina.? Perhaps they'll get it right with some help, perhaps not.? Competition can't be bad for this new format.? I hope Oly nails it. Would like to have an additional bird- in -hand by early Spring. A. Hopeful Mike I love the look of the Samsungs. The interface looks interesting. So far, they all have poor performance and crap IQ. A. 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( [216.39.145.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m17sm19393153waf.35.2008.09.15.19.50.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:49:56 -0700 References: <20080916013847.A3BA1C2D00@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 04:50:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cf1eed127902046811720 That _would_ be a nice trip! Maybe someday.... Rob in Seattle On Sep 15, 2008, at 7:29 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > Then y'all can hop on the Victoria Clipper, take the #70 bus to Swartz > Bay, and then a 35 minute ferry to Salt Spring Island, and we can have > some REAL fun! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 05:00:13 2008 Received: (qmail 7069 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 03:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 03:00:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA2CC3631; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:00:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:00:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3324C3695 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:00:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24260 invoked by uid 518); 16 Sep 2008 03:00:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20080916030000.24259.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:00:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.251.164.42 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 05:00:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cf213d34441585427447 Probably about a week plus or minus. We are not on a specific schedule. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Rob Harrison > Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style > Sent: Sep 16 '08 01:05 > > > Well forget it then! > > ;-) > > When are you going to be down that way? Might be a good excuse for a   > motorcycle ride..... > > Rob  in Seattle > > > On Sep 15, 2008, at 5:20 PM, > wrote: > > > I'm afraid AG has gotten out ahead of me.  I'm not planning to go to   > > Seattle.  I'll be cutting down to see Mt. 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Looking for a good fixed focal lens. I am looking into the Voigtlander SL-II lenses. Good or bad comments regarding these lenses? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 06:09:08 2008 Received: (qmail 14033 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 04:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 04:09:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79ECC2B2B; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:08:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:08:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C79C3491 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:08:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KfRry-0002hP-00; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:08:55 -0400 Message-ID: <48CF3147.2050405@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:08:39 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Cc: Ali Shah Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Voigtlander 58mm/40mm Lenses References: <300584.10924.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <300584.10924.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080915-0, 09/15/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 06:09:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cf3164116521591313764 I own both lenses (in Nikon mount) and am very happy with both. Bokeh is good on both lenses, both are very sharp. Build quality is excellent and focus is well damped and very smooth. The 40 is nearly a pancake, and with the hood very compact. One note on the 58 is that some folks experienced over exposure issues on early production units, a problem that has since been fixed (my lens is fine). It is not an issue with current production, but something to watch for if buying used. Jim Couch AS wrote: > I am getting burned out on zoom lenses. Looking for a good fixed focal lens. I am looking into the Voigtlander SL-II lenses. Good or bad comments regarding these lenses? > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 11:55:19 2008 Received: (qmail 24070 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 09:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 09:55:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBD7C278C; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:55:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:55:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D48C2FD5 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:55:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KfXH1-0005so-06 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:55:07 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:54:59 +0100 Message-ID: <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> thread-index: AckXVGERywmCxMN2RUS+n2yGxik5aQAjRaYw X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080915-0, 15/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8257/Tue Sep 16 09:29:49 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 11:55:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cf828770701234514069 Jim, this appears to be a single-piece adaptor for 42mm screw lenses on 4/3 bodies, which I chanced across. http://oly43club.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=230 "It is made of steel and this allows making free use of big and heavy lenses" You will see in the images of the adaptor a scew on the mount face - that seems not to be a set-screw to join the two halves, but a retainer screw to allow firm fixing of the lens to the adapter. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols Sent: 15 September 2008 17:59 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird Thanks for the link, Charles. From the photos, these also appear to be two-piece adapters. The final line in the comments on the adapters says that, with heavy lenses, one should support BOTH the camera body and the lens. They do appear well made, though more expensive than the one that I have. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > Jim, > Don't know about the construction but the adaptor can be found/ ordered > here: > http://www.cameraquest.com/adapt_olyE1.htm > > Charlie > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Jim Nichols > wrote: > >> >> John, >> >> Thanks for looking and for your kind words. >> >> Perhaps you can answer my question. Does Olympus offer an M42 to 4/3 >> adapter that is made from one piece of metal? The Fotodiox adapter that >> I >> use is made in two parts, held together by set screws that have poor >> thread >> retention. It is ok for small lenses, but is not really adequate for a >> Takumar 200/4.0. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Hermanson" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:50 AM >> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird >> >> >> > >> > Nice shot mister. At that shutter speed, you're not expected to freeze >> > the wings, but body is nice and sharp. >> > >> > ___________________________________ >> > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net >> > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> > >> > >> > Jim Nichols wrote: >> >> Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, >> >> indicating >> >> that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, I >> >> finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted Takumar >> >> 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. >> >> >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html >> >> >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> >> >> Jim Nichols >> >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> > >> > ============================================== >> > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> > ============================================== >> > >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 12:06:55 2008 Received: (qmail 8384 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 10:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 10:06:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AF4C3855; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:06:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:06:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92764C3785 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:06:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23787 invoked by uid 502); 16 Sep 2008 10:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.168.65) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Sep 2008 10:06:35 -0000 Message-ID: <48CF851E.2040602@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:06:22 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? References: <48CD8906.7040003@gmail.com> <48CDF142.9020902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 12:06:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cf853f277971023412894 Ken Norton wrote: > Moose thus did this to me: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4s4wejeyS0 > Oh my! That is one pissed off Moose! > Ok, a truce, please? > Of course! Hugs, then pizza and beer? > Here's the deal. Yes, I did go off on my religious argument about modern technology of which I was aiming it not at you but was just a general rant. > I understood that all along. I am, perhaps a bit strongly, suggesting that it's not appropriate to present such a rant as a reply to anyone's innocent, largely unrelated post. And if it happens to be my post, I bite. (Or perhaps kick and stomp, considering the video. Ouch!) I have no particular objection to such posts on the list. They are more photography related than many other subjects. As a matter of freedom of expression and religion, Luddism should be able to have its say. I do believe, however that they should stand on their own, not as replies to other posts. "I was fondling my (name of old piece photographic equipment here), and I think the golden age is past and all is dross." can stand on its own. I'm not sure why you find it necessary to demean many relatively innocent users of contemporary photo equipment as naifs and fools and claim their ways to be evil, but as long as it's purely your rant, I don't much mind. Although I happen to enjoy many more aspects of contemporary photographic technology than do you, there are other areas of contemporary technology that I eschew so far, although I generally don't publicly berate others for using and enjoying them. There are ways to couch your opinions in these matters that don't come across as attacks. They might even have a greater chance of being read and understood that way. > Sorry that you interpreted it as anything more than a bad hair day. > I didn't. On the other hand, I'm in some ways and at some times imperfect and, mostly fairly, I think, chose your rant to allow me one of my own on subjects dear to my own heart. Interesting allusion. Hair is very interesting symbolically. In myth, sacred narrative and the interpretation of dreams, the use of hair as a metaphor for those other things that come out of our heads, ideas, is common. This symbolic understanding adds depth to the story of Samson and Delilah, for instance. Practical applications are common from today back through all recorded history. Armies have always shaved or almost shaved the heads of recruits, something I experienced myself. It is part of the initiation rituals designed to break down individual personality and previous loyalties, suppress individual ideas, and so on, to prepare the inductee for "rebirth" as a full member of a collective organization, with strong loyalty to the immediate and larger groups of the military service to which he now looks for identity, rather than family and other prior associations. The tonsures of religious organizations are also age-old applications of this principle. Full tonsure, a shaved head, is typical of monks of many faiths, and simply symbolizes the diminution and sub-ordination of individual thought to those of the Divine or no individual thought at all. The Roman Tonsure, with the top of the head shaved and the sides left full I find particularly interesting. Orders that use it are saying to themselves and the world that in matters of dealing with God, they subordinate their thoughts to the tenents and laws of their religion. In matters of dealing with the laic world, they freely use their own minds to the benefit of their order and religion. So a "bad hair day" may easily be a metaphoric way of talking about a day when my ideas have run wild, like unkempt hair, out of control and possibly beyond their proper bounds. > Now to the specifics of rangefinder focus: I have had several rangefinder focus cameras through the years which have had varying degrees of usabilty: > > > Yes, I do lament the passing of an era where the technology really did reach the peak of design. As do I sometimes in this and other areas. I always get a twinge when I run across my dad's old K&E Log Log Duplex slide rule. It's a beautiful piece of design and craftsmanship. I figure I'll have it and my Post Versalog until I die, and my kids will wonder why and throw them out. Nevertheless, I use a calculator for simple calculations and computer apps for complex ones. They are simply faster and more accurate. > Those buggy-whips were the best ever made. Yup, and not (yet?) quite as useless as buggy-whips. Nonetheless, they are, in fact, less capable in many ways in enabling me to acquire the images I want. > The OM-4T given to me last year is a perfect example of how a camera design was improved upon to the point where, short of throwing a computer inside, it couldn't be bested without changing the entire form-factor. > Indeed, a great example; I like to think the greatest, of one era in camera design. I was using one for some time while you were using a 2s and extolling it as the greatest thing going. As I recall, my posts to that effect that I thought the OM-4 to be a superior body got short shrift. In the technologically earlier era of fully mechanical cameras, there were some real beauties. The OM-1 was a breakthrough in many ways, but there are others equally deserving of consideration. The F2 is a pinnacle of a kind, and a far more capable macro body than the OM-1 and 2, with mirror AND aperture lock and all that extra mass to absorb vibrations. Leica, Contax, Canon rangefinders and such, although not cameras I would want are gorgeous examples of mechanical design and execution. There are a lot of great cameras from the pre digital era. But I can't nail a bird in flight with any of them, while even many lowly, early models of AF cameras do it with ease. > I very very much like AF. In MOST circumstances it is faster and more accurate than I could ever be. But "most" is not "all". There are days when I lament not having a RF spot. There are rare occasions where that mode of focusing would beat any SLR, liveview or AF made. And, yes, one of those occasions is low-light work. Of the listed systems above, I would gladly use the Leica, Mamiya 6 (or 7) and even the Yashica as the RF spots are bright enough to be usable. > All a matter of perspective and experience. I've never liked rangefinders much, for various reasons, some of which have more to do with their focal length and close-up limitations than with using RF focus per se. As a practical matter, it seems to me that the better digicams focus in light so dim I can hardly see the subject directly. With built-in or auxiliary focus aid lights, they can focus in complete darkness. The 5D with the aux IR light of the 540EZ can focus at 40 feet with no other illumination at all. The loser limght limit for RF is better than SLR focusing, but doesn't seem to me to measure up to AF in that area. > Another factor in focusing RF cameras is something that really doesn't happen as much with any other type of camera. The users of RF cameras almost always "zone focus" then fine-adjust with the RF. They look at the > subject and as they are bringing the camera to the eye, they've already moved the focus ring to the approximate distance before the eye even is at the viewfinder. The ergonomics of the camera also play into this as the left-hand plays a much greater roll in holding the camera and lens. > Interesting, and much like the way I use MF cameras, holding lens and body and focusing with left hand. In fact, I do something similar with AF cameras. If the new subject is at a much different distance than the last, I tap the release of focus lock button as the camera bears on the subject, but often before I'm actually looking through the viewfinder. Getting focus in the "zone" makes that first view much more useful, especially in fast mobing situations. However, I don't see what most of this has to do with the original question of relative focus accuracy with the two systems. I guess we'll just have to get someone to loan a Leica or two, get together, and run some tests. ;-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 13:38:37 2008 Received: (qmail 8379 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 11:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 11:38:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA3AC28AF; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:38:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:38:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851A2C2D6A for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:38:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so74276uge.14 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:38:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=hplswT/6Qamwxl3db7W3KV6h62u9L5++EOtNvFw9Icw=; b=aOAGRFpbKKLu49kEPETSJZ52iUkod4A6KxoD/5VqaxXFMa/cSmevDvdAMnAUGuIoW3 ZQaqlKBeafWciUCbJF/zGUS+/VAgq4IpMdm25lFiRZxYe4tG4okFJaiPXoalffaD6gE/ sjTEg4o6uBdjX60phg59Qbd6neCeDORN3GZQc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=fmaoPWh8mDDKfGBzbuyXK98jDP3cJ04kVhtiSlNEnsaO8P66Xm7O+zISMpVx3t9c6x xRbDMrr/93983q0ERGQjHTSVqnkd6DTL57omKV0mhFFi3wiyosFmld+z6sADfyri4xgd 2QH7k8y14hykXW89zCbYroV7n8dUDdEWmwNY0= Received: by 10.210.105.20 with SMTP id d20mr473356ebc.161.1221565105375; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:38:25 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080916013847.A3BA1C2D00@ml.free.fr> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 13:38:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cf9abd263801499373980 It *IS* a nice trip. I did it last year, and I firmly intend to do it again some time if I can swing another invite :-) Tom 2008/9/16 Rob Harrison > > That _would_ be a nice trip! > > Maybe someday.... > > Rob in Seattle > > > On Sep 15, 2008, at 7:29 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > > > Then y'all can hop on the Victoria Clipper, take the #70 bus to Swartz > > Bay, and then a 35 minute ferry to Salt Spring Island, and we can have > > some REAL fun! > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 13:47:41 2008 Received: (qmail 27362 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 11:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 11:47:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899E1C3ADB; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:47:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:47:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.180]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59ACEC3BEC for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:47:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so2406331ika.1 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:47:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=NCAoFNUXwDP0n1yZJqJ8GhRNCRsoXaex6p9xXcC+z+s=; b=K/Gvz/u74vpGvUkJ7YgTcIauJE8wHPKlU3vvP/Yoh2jnVbhgRSxSlay+mMQrM2fQHP nbpFLKafSxibp5ZXQl7gsLyyRS4xctbVejqwUi7pdRV1UbiedwewXEonTWnge6X8CCV+ AUyPCx8u7NdIp9udOWrIxfF4w+V9VZeuNiy/4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=CcJoAbYXET8HZAXm+Aj+sShNF+QxFonhL5O7KLGLjlvsML/Sa4LaknK/03VuTbVLDS cnkTa3l8MFvy95SvEYz0ILUGzMz8RkEG+0tMRtAe9GSE4YpK7eD6WCjLsUuRexeyGKlH 3xZiou3z+ylospJndBuyAdjOJ5Zh8CMwzHolk= Received: by 10.210.71.12 with SMTP id t12mr1162008eba.146.1221565650211; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:47:30 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Canonisation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 13:47:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cf9cdd327181702588592 No, I have not become a saint. It's far worse than that. I'm not much of a flower shooter, but I might start now: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/2861816763_c7bbd75311_o.jpg Warning - no olympus content whatsoever; my zuiko adaptor for this camera is still in the post. Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 14:24:35 2008 Received: (qmail 20416 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 12:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 12:24:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F4DC3713; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:24:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:24:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53973C36FC for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:24:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7A00N5JFS802IK@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:24:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:24:16 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question In-reply-to: <48CE6682.2000603@verizon.net> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48CFA570.5000502@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> <48C9F3FB.2050207@gmail.com> <9f07ac840809150234k5a17b29s1ecb026c9452d3e5@mail.gmail.com> <48CE6682.2000603@verizon.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 14:24:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfa583247891023412894 We have fios for internet, TV and one of out phone lines. BTW, the fios DVR has completely changed how we watch TV. Only downside of having the phone on fiber is that in the event of a power outage, phone connection depends on their battery backup. They said you get 8-10 hours of use, but that time runs down whether or not you use the phone. During the first and only power outage, the "low battery" signal starting beeping after about 2 hours. We lucked out in them not being able to put our business phone line on fiber too. At the time of the installation, verizon was not the carrier, so they did not "drop the copper" line to the house. Verizon company policy is: if they can't transfer all the phone lines to fios during the one install visit, they will NOT come back and do it later. At first I was arguing with the verizon rep on the phone, the way she was shoveling the arrogance out, it sounded like she was smiling. After that power outage, we were glad to have one phone line on copper. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Rand E wrote: > I have FIOS (fibre optic service). Fibre Optic goes to the house to an > interface box. Your old phone wire plugs into this box as does your old > coax to your television and internet. This applies to Verizon for sure, > and most likely the other fibre optic providers also. > Rand E. > > > Jez Cunningham wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: >> I read today that some >> installations use a home interface box that picks up power from the house >> power system to power ringers, etc, so maybe my worries are for naught. >> >> Jim, >> >> For sure the fiber will be terminated in a powered box - it will have an >> RJ11 phone jack on it (and a load of other sockets) just like a cable modem, >> and your current phone should work fine. >> >> br >> jez >> >> >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 14:28:07 2008 Received: (qmail 22083 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 12:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 12:28:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036D1C27D1; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:27:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:27:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78C9C3393 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:27:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7A00AR5FY6ST0D@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:27:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:27:50 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird In-reply-to: <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48CFA646.9010907@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 14:28:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfa65793111234514069 They do not make an adapter for lens brans other than OM. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jim Nichols wrote: > John, > > Thanks for looking and for your kind words. > > Perhaps you can answer my question. Does Olympus offer an M42 to 4/3 > adapter that is made from one piece of metal? The Fotodiox adapter that I > use is made in two parts, held together by set screws that have poor thread > retention. It is ok for small lenses, but is not really adequate for a > Takumar 200/4.0. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hermanson" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:50 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 14:30:11 2008 Received: (qmail 29265 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 12:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 12:30:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29863C371C; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:30:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:30:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81D3C3621 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:29:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7A008GUG1TK1V9@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:29:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:30:02 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird In-reply-to: <017201c91750$635e0b60$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48CFA6CA.301@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <017201c91750$635e0b60$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 14:30:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfa6d3297031993019900 I remember getting the original picture of the Olympus MA-1 adapter off THEIR website. I put it on my site, Olympus called me a while later and asked me to take it down (by then they had removed it from their site too). ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Piers Hemy wrote: > I can answer that one, Jim. Olympus offer but one adaptor, for OM to 4/3, > and they only offered that after much denial that it ever existed, and > apparent huge reluctance on the part of Olympus. > > If the Takumar is too heavy for the mount, maybe you could try supporting > the lens rather than the body - I assume the camera body itself is not too > heavy for the mount set-screws? > > -- > Piers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Jim Nichols > Sent: 15 September 2008 17:27 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > > John, > > Thanks for looking and for your kind words. > > Perhaps you can answer my question. Does Olympus offer an M42 to 4/3 > adapter that is made from one piece of metal? The Fotodiox adapter that I > use is made in two parts, held together by set screws that have poor thread > retention. It is ok for small lenses, but is not really adequate for a > Takumar 200/4.0. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hermanson" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:50 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > >> Nice shot mister. At that shutter speed, you're not expected to freeze >> the wings, but body is nice and sharp. >> >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, indicating >>> that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, I >>> finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted Takumar >>> 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html >>> >>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 14:40:09 2008 Received: (qmail 20094 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 12:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 12:40:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8264C2B88; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:39:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:39:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36E0C4233 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:38:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7A003GXGGN9GG9@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:38:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:38:56 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] repairing the STF-22 To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-id: <48CFA8E0.5040402@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 14:40:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfa929104542046811720 Seems Olympus does not stock ANY repair parts for the STF-22 twin flash macro setup. A doctor called me the other day. He said he had sent this unit to Olympus in Hauppauge NY for service, they sent it back telling him to buy a new one. It's a current product, $630 at B&H. One of the shoe mounts on the lens ring broke off. So I got a parts pdf from a third party (olympus makes it hard to get parts lists for accessories) and tried to order 7-8 different parts for this unit through Olumpus edesk. ALL come back "unavailable or discontinued". Boy this guy was PISSED. Maybe if someone from olympus is lurking here, they'll do something about this. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 14:49:18 2008 Received: (qmail 4464 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 12:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 12:49:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC515C3621; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:49:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:49:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87746C3660 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:49:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7A00BKIGXBDOA4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:48:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:48:55 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question In-reply-to: <998FBC6B62F549FA9DF6069C47BADD16@jimnichols> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48CFAB37.6020304@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> <48C9F3FB.2050207@gmail.com> <9f07ac840809150234k5a17b29s1ecb026c9452d3e5@mail.gmail.com> <2D13FF5779C64EDEB8B3AD8E950B562C@jimnichols> <48CE8D6C.2090004@verizon.net> <998FBC6B62F549FA9DF6069C47BADD16@jimnichols> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 14:49:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfab4e137022070262475 The Verizon Fios system plugs into house AC. This was recently in the local news. There have been some complaints that in some cases, installers took short cuts and the systems may not be properly grounded. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jim Nichols wrote: > That solves the problem. I assume that the battery is maintained at full > capacity by some sort of automatic charger. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rand E" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:29 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > > >> attached to the interface box is a rechargeable battery which gives you >> about 12 hours phone service to any WIRED phone in your house. >> (cordless phones require house current) >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> Jez, >>> >>> Thanks for confirming what I suspected to be the case. The only down >>> side >>> that I see is that, when winter ice storms hit and the electric power is >>> interrupted, with the AT&T lines, we still have phone service, powered by >>> the copper phone line. Using house power, there will be no phone >>> service. >>> Behind my house there is a power line fuse that powers our block and >>> several >>> others. When squirrels or limbs short the line and blow the fuse link, I >>> guess I will have to resort to my cell phone to report the outage. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jez Cunningham" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 4:34 AM >>> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Jim Nichols >>>> wrote: >>>> I read today that some >>>> installations use a home interface box that picks up power from the >>>> house >>>> power system to power ringers, etc, so maybe my worries are for naught. >>>> >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> For sure the fiber will be terminated in a powered box - it will have an >>>> RJ11 phone jack on it (and a load of other sockets) just like a cable >>>> modem, >>>> and your current phone should work fine. >>>> >>>> br >>>> jez >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 15:05:43 2008 Received: (qmail 8995 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 13:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 13:05:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC5CC36EB; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:05:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:05:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE205C31F3 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:05:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id C636B2C1NF for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:05:28 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:04:29 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080916002057.30491.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style thread-index: AckXkiB1wmwXACbVRpaNIjg8MVTVOwAapfJA From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2008 13:05:28.0544 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4411E00:01C917FC] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 15:05:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfaf276722336821329 You won't be able to meet "the Man" down there...... -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:21 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style I'm afraid AG has gotten out ahead of me. I'm not planning to go to Seattle. I'll be cutting down to see Mt. St. Helens and bypassing Seattle. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Jim Couch at home > Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style > Sent: Sep 15 '08 23:42 > > > Yes indeed! > > Jim Couch > > Rob Harrison wrote: > > On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > > > > > >> So, now we bid Chuck adios as he keeps travelling west to visit other > >> listees. > >> > > > > Jim C, Jim T, Peter K, shall we attempt a meeting when Chuck is out > > this way? 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 16:19:02 2008 Received: (qmail 4200 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 14:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 14:19:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C90C3C23; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:18:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:18:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.62]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BFDDC3EC4 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:18:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9043 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2008 14:18:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=4bQeBqjDnoEK2xe4CxYf929+gHXAYa6rDqX7GBt5KRtXUmrgFyvOdhcgp0xulcNJIKCN9xX4wV/zFcndFGcU/6K9qDnnr3hbl3DV5zxTG/teNWIrMB+dyDU7yaklDzpjYO0tDtEVgUWAFCoJ/PtDLG3uSWn2r05F7Yz9yMQ8jes=; X-YMail-OSG: Ha2.oaYVM1kiaNtgrx7vG3LCPPaBqh_0gAYR8S7QK5rR.7yDV6w0FwC5lHNsoEayecnjjeAl.H9QljBHsL47ovgzqglLUNI9JrgbSA6H8iJz2it0eCSL1Rq8Y8Y0akM- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:18:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:18:03 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: repairing the STF-22 To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48CFA8E0.5040402@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <508241.7796.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 16:19:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfc055251582070262475 Ouch! --- On Tue, 9/16/08, John Hermanson wrote: > From: John Hermanson > Subject: [OM] repairing the STF-22 > To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:38 AM > Seems Olympus does not stock ANY repair parts for the STF-22 > twin flash > macro setup. A doctor called me the other day. He said he > had sent > this unit to Olympus in Hauppauge NY for service, they sent > it back > telling him to buy a new one. It's a current product, > $630 at B&H. One > of the shoe mounts on the lens ring broke off. So I got a > parts pdf > from a third party (olympus makes it hard to get parts > lists for > accessories) and tried to order 7-8 different parts for > this unit > through Olumpus edesk. ALL come back "unavailable or > discontinued". > Boy this guy was PISSED. > > Maybe if someone from olympus is lurking here, they'll > do something > about this. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 16:30:42 2008 Received: (qmail 27128 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 14:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 14:30:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B15C356C; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:30:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:30:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mho-01-bos.mailhop.org (mho-01-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1465AC3202 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:30:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aste-genev-bois-153-1-60-168.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr ([81.249.210.168] helo=[192.168.147.109]) by mho-01-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KfbZV-00044y-Os for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:30:30 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 81.249.210.168 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1/YdFudawv+KYidV/5ppAmB Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Message-Id: <5F93FE6E-5AB8-4AE3-B627-41F9CD745934@ThomasClausen.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Thomas Heide Clausen Subject: [OM] List Status and other stuff Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:30:54 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olympus@ThomasClausen.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 16:30:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfc312293201838542571 Dear all, We've had some issues with the list server, and the provider is all- but-able to get things running correctly. 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Sincerely, The List Mum. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 16:39:04 2008 Received: (qmail 6190 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 14:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 14:39:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE07DC2FEF; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:38:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:38:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F34C2F10 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:38:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so26665102gxk.17 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:38:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=1vD3BV7jvRWEWRZP12IlRuVxQ/fiwvXpLzWyDLEDnRY=; b=Wt2EnOtMYWoLh2bLNYYKfX2tZpm9Ps3L7zV15JRztMBktgb7Fx9lJR+z2afYzTmlD3 uW03eZzrHjCgh1lpBRKiG5Nyb4lWYP1xRgdRk6JgqoOo9kmxcq4hHiYEegfhfEFzTijA svZzZqt66eN2TgxevWiw/1Hl5IK3UeekwDV1I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=q7mSf6brAG0d4qgnPx0MC0kfTicHTiPnlcRau3qmyQZBxrcPbrpgFuAINdrgtRP+q2 jqQ1aoFXdWh6Jh5LTkJ+mmXHrpmm1V6mcZbUjaz76mgKUGrgJ7du40XHuxzBe7Iw8Jsl Tb/LDvDPh+HrdsFUQ9nU51E17o2y3qVjwMjo0= Received: by 10.90.81.19 with SMTP id e19mr1607823agb.119.1221575929520; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:38:49 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? In-Reply-To: <48CF851E.2040602@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48CD8906.7040003@gmail.com> <48CDF142.9020902@gmail.com> <48CF851E.2040602@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 29d0e2eac2fa4d31 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 16:39:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfc50877789347015869 Moose thus grazed: >I have no particular objection to such posts on the list. They are more >photography related than many other subjects. As a matter of freedom of >expression and religion, Luddism should be able to have its say. I do >believe, however that they should stand on their own, not as replies to >other posts. As you'd expect, I'm going to choke a little on your terminology. Per the common definition, a luddite is someone who is opposed to technological progress and technological change. I am NOT espousing opposition to either. What I am saying is that not all technological change is technological progress. Viewfinders, for example, are a posterchild of technological regression. >Although I happen to enjoy many more aspects of contemporary >photographic technology than do you, there are other areas of >contemporary technology that I eschew so far... A lot of my opposition is financially based. I'll admit it. If I could go out and buy a "new shiny" every six months like some people, I'm sure I would. And I'd look back at the "good old days" of using the Olympus OM system and think "oh, how quaint". > think, chose your rant to allow me one >of my own on subjects dear to my own heart. So tell me, the fact I have long hair--is that a good thing or a bad thing? >As do I sometimes in this and other areas. I always get a twinge when I >run across my dad's old K&E Log Log Duplex slide rule. It's a beautiful >piece of design and craftsmanship. The one thing that a slide rule is superior about is the ability to illustrate "relationship" of numbers. How do two calculations relate to each other. Also, it is possible to reduce human error because you know through experience when something is not looking right. With a calculator, one mispressed button will give you the wrong answer, but without that visual cue of something being amiss, you'll accept the wrong answer as gospel. Some of us are "visual" in our mind's eye. When calculating numbers in my head, I actually visualize my own variation of a slide rule. Unfortunately, over time, the numbers get worn off. :( >Indeed, a great example; I like to think the greatest, of one era in >camera design. I was using one for some time while you were using a 2s >and extolling it as the greatest thing going. As I recall, my posts to >that effect that I thought the OM-4 to be a superior body got short >shrift. Ah, you don't think I'm giving up on the OM-2S that easily, eh? Nah, it is still chugging away and still getting used. There are certain circumstances where I find it to be THE superior camera. The live spot-meter is one such feature as well as the ability to so quickly flip back and forth between auto and a preset manual exposure. The OM-2S is an OM-2n with two features I find most valuable to me: Mirrorbox metering and the spot-meter. However, the control interface remains elegantly simple. I think the OM-2S is the better "handheld" camera, whereas the OM-4T is the better "precision photography" camera. But the differences really are nuances and not major design shifts. Next weekend, I've got a huge wedding to photograph and it is going to be photographed both digitally and on B&W film. Most likely I'll use both OMs--one with the 100/2.8 and the other with the 24/2.8 or 35/2.8. Of course, the E-1 will hold down digital duties. I know, I know--you can use that 5D and accomplish everything with one camera and one lens. :) Someday, when I forever swear off film, I'll join you in that mantra. >But I can't nail a bird in flight with any of them, while even many >lowly, early models of AF cameras do it with ease. I agree. I much prefer photographing birds with my E-1's AF. Hmmm. Oh, wait. I'm still using manual-focus telephotos. Oops. ;) Point well taken, though. >All a matter of perspective and experience. I've never liked >rangefinders much, for various reasons... Me neither. However, there are occasional circumstances where I long for certain capabilities of the rangefinder cameras. Nighttime photography comes to mind. Focusing on stars is a pain with an SLR, but with a rangefinder it's easy to find a celestial object bright enough to line the two dots up with. >The 5D with the aux IR light of the 540EZ can focus at 40 feet >with no other illumination at all. The quickest AF in available-darkness conditions I've ever encountered is my IS-3 with G40. It casts a nifty barcode like pattern and the AF just absolutely nails it. Zip-click. That's all there is. A buddy of mine has the latest/greatest Canon gear and even he is amazed at how quick the IS-3 is in that specific condition. Speaking of AF, I really like AF in weddings during the processional and recessional. One gets really spoiled not having to count pews. >However, I don't see what most of this has to do with the original >question of relative focus accuracy with the two systems. I guess we'll >just have to get someone to loan a Leica or two, get together, and run >some tests. ;-) On this, we agree!!!!! AG http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 16:44:11 2008 Received: (qmail 19903 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 14:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 14:44:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8695BC364D; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:43:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:43:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FE7C33CB for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:43:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so26678649gxk.17 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:43:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=jm0dQOQGWYcklDTJDRgBaRerKjlIA4EYfCmR2VIfyAc=; b=nWD2MsPbTRrn2YGf2hlbn9ZlcwksaFF9pmxsiMNy/Ht0IYMzifEal4SuxgYQZ1DIhN nEMrvZEOENZlnb/GWu/wKVqVqSjbjtXtcEBIk4W15g9rIy6VZxLIrsGXYkgOw3BUonWL a9aPw9i9DkXLP53Fys/bvg9f8S355ZKJvKhFQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=xsh1w69v8PKICknvTx/2yNXtoWjSt9oNk4tpdBaoCIjngqyR6WuwdPS45de/vMvpkl eD966rT5rUHBQu7Z01kTmNo48VHe4zlutj+GkXM/dOWOG4gg21EKroj2nB95oVv6lYf+ vsCwKZNM5XNxZpxUkTAz7ktZZ4nAtfhMlqEpc= Received: by 10.90.66.14 with SMTP id o14mr1667504aga.38.1221576238287; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:43:58 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080916002057.30491.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f7e07afc8a716b88 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 16:44:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfc63b238901470116606 JimT wrote: >You won't be able to meet "the Man" down there...... That's ok. I doubt he has the stomach for it anyway. Canon people, you know. :) AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 16:45:14 2008 Received: (qmail 32168 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 14:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 14:45:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8771C38E1; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:45:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:45:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D5FC38D4 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:45:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so26681234gxk.17 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=ww+9qE0OAG3L0EK7d56SV+4RFbK2uh4+OEGLtf7Nz2k=; b=tdkzhDqmwgbwup3XRcLYaammVJo9l9yz1BvgXSgF5lhO2sY7r6+2tO86LNTnkMJREB /+GJM1WFXWw9ksIiEIaSsFLWewzFgjPMYLdJXlF5fn2zBtPqE8eYuHdr4xoGsuMyZffE tBN7vXsfnE6wRkLezWeEw9r+ROe+7/yLdI1Es= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=iSWLZB2t0LEVpHOqJy7MIdeCuKzS6jVvU37aF2QIQI83L/mSYkQDG1rpjYpxsU2v/M kTyjqTmfskbfdKMY4hsVYUCuGGjvKtTz5BsHVqFbKpfWZoAP23gei2YwIndWHHm+8zPb 9ETRWSpNqFcTQ+uQFHwubrSYm6XJn4uKdlOh8= Received: by 10.90.117.17 with SMTP id p17mr1680555agc.12.1221576300934; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:45:00 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Canonisation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: ee14fb0296db3771 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 16:45:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfc67a248817350615338 Oooo. Nice! Very Nice! AG http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 17:02:39 2008 Received: (qmail 22408 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 15:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 15:02:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E47DC3726; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:02:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:02:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4852AC35B4 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:02:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080916150135H0600a3pd9e>; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:01:35 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:01:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 17:02:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfca8f257811023412894 Piers, Thanks a lot for the link. While I think I have my Fotodiox adapter secured, this one would be better for my 200mm. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piers Hemy" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:54 AM Subject: [OM] Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > Jim, this appears to be a single-piece adaptor for 42mm screw lenses on > 4/3 > bodies, which I chanced across. > > http://oly43club.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=230 > > "It is made of steel and this allows making free use of big and heavy > lenses" > > You will see in the images of the adaptor a scew on the mount face - that > seems not to be a set-screw to join the two halves, but a retainer screw > to > allow firm fixing of the lens to the adapter. > > -- > Piers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Jim Nichols > Sent: 15 September 2008 17:59 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > > Thanks for the link, Charles. From the photos, these also appear to be > two-piece adapters. The final line in the comments on the adapters says > that, with heavy lenses, one should support BOTH the camera body and the > lens. They do appear well made, though more expensive than the one that I > have. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Geilfuss" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:45 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > >> >> Jim, >> Don't know about the construction but the adaptor can be found/ ordered >> here: >> http://www.cameraquest.com/adapt_olyE1.htm >> >> Charlie >> >> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Jim Nichols >> wrote: >> >>> >>> John, >>> >>> Thanks for looking and for your kind words. >>> >>> Perhaps you can answer my question. Does Olympus offer an M42 to 4/3 >>> adapter that is made from one piece of metal? The Fotodiox adapter that >>> I >>> use is made in two parts, held together by set screws that have poor >>> thread >>> retention. It is ok for small lenses, but is not really adequate for a >>> Takumar 200/4.0. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Hermanson" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:50 AM >>> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird >>> >>> >>> > >>> > Nice shot mister. At that shutter speed, you're not expected to >>> > freeze >>> > the wings, but body is nice and sharp. >>> > >>> > ___________________________________ >>> > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>> > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>> > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net >>> > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>> > >>> > >>> > Jim Nichols wrote: >>> >> Hummingbird activity has picked up this week at our feeders, >>> >> indicating >>> >> that migration has started through our area. After much frustration, >>> >> I >>> >> finally got one decent shot with my Oly E-510 using an adapted >>> >> Takumar >>> >> 200mm f/4 lens and ISO 800. >>> >> >>> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Hummer441.tif.html >>> >> >>> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>> >> >>> >> Jim Nichols >>> >> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> > >>> > ============================================== >>> > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> > ============================================== >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 17:10:37 2008 Received: (qmail 26944 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 15:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 15:10:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9108C2E90; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:10:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:10:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75640C3AD7 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:10:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080916151016H0300285g0e>; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:10:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <6CD5A311528445CEAA0BFB3C3536D719@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20080911023539.3433.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48C89D7A.5060202@gmail.com> <743C9DE869B446E19ECF34C9364851E4@jimnichols> <48C9F3FB.2050207@gmail.com> <9f07ac840809150234k5a17b29s1ecb026c9452d3e5@mail.gmail.com> <48CE6682.2000603@verizon.net> <48CFA570.5000502@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:10:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 17:10:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfcc6d34871234514069 John, Thanks for the feedback. All of the points raised in these postings reflect info that is very hard to gather from the fiber supplier. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:24 AM Subject: [OM] Re: e330 question > > We have fios for internet, TV and one of out phone lines. BTW, the fios > DVR has completely changed how we watch TV. Only downside of having the > phone on fiber is that in the event of a power outage, phone connection > depends on their battery backup. They said you get 8-10 hours of use, > but that time runs down whether or not you use the phone. During the > first and only power outage, the "low battery" signal starting beeping > after about 2 hours. > We lucked out in them not being able to put our business phone line on > fiber too. At the time of the installation, verizon was not the carrier, > so they did not "drop the copper" line to the house. Verizon company > policy is: if they can't transfer all the phone lines to fios during > the one install visit, they will NOT come back and do it later. At > first I was arguing with the verizon rep on the phone, the way she was > shoveling the arrogance out, it sounded like she was smiling. After > that power outage, we were glad to have one phone line on copper. > > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Rand E wrote: >> I have FIOS (fibre optic service). Fibre Optic goes to the house to an >> interface box. Your old phone wire plugs into this box as does your old >> coax to your television and internet. This applies to Verizon for sure, >> and most likely the other fibre optic providers also. >> Rand E. >> >> >> Jez Cunningham wrote: >>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Jim Nichols >>> wrote: >>> I read today that some >>> installations use a home interface box that picks up power from the >>> house >>> power system to power ringers, etc, so maybe my worries are for naught. >>> >>> Jim, >>> >>> For sure the fiber will be terminated in a powered box - it will have an >>> RJ11 phone jack on it (and a load of other sockets) just like a cable >>> modem, >>> and your current phone should work fine. >>> >>> br >>> jez >>> >>> >>> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 17:11:14 2008 Received: (qmail 32067 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 15:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 15:11:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4907C35CE; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:11:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:11:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61A4C3B9A for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:10:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080916151058H0600a0o39e>; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:10:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <48CFA646.9010907@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:11:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 17:11:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfcc92162281591313764 Thanks, John. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:27 AM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > They do not make an adapter for lens brans other than OM. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 17:44:47 2008 Received: (qmail 2374 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 15:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 15:44:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAEEC31E8; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F092C2EC9 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:44:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080916154433H06009rmq2e>; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:44:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <84EDF581DA3E468B94387EDCAD3316AB@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Subject: [OM] IMG: Reworked Spider Lily Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:44:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 17:44:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfd46f105763675314703 I was not happy with the original posted image of the Spider Lily, so, after receiving constuctive comments from LUG members, I reworked it, starting with the RAW image. While the basic image is not great, I believe this is a better representation of the flower itself. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Spider+Lily02.tif.html Critiques and comments welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 17:59:08 2008 Received: (qmail 10204 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 15:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 15:59:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6953C2808; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:58:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:58:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F78C4076 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:56:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pd6mr1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.188]) by pd6mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 16 Sep 2008 09:56:55 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=he5QUmt6AAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=8wqXY-8GYSjhzaMR1MsA:9 a=uuMM_sghVkANjjEPjrdQzLjERncA:4 a=7UrePnR41IEA:10 Received: from pd7mr-vip-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca (HELO pn7ml2no.prod.shaw.ca) ([10.0.153.22]) by pd6mr1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 16 Sep 2008 09:56:54 -0600 Received: from Barry-PC.shaw.ca ([24.108.154.50]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0K7A00IA1PMUOV30@l-daemon> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:56:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:56:47 -0700 From: Barry Hinderks Subject: [OM] Re: repairing the STF-22 In-reply-to: <48CFA8E0.5040402@verizon.net> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <0K7A00IA2PMUOV30@l-daemon> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48CFA8E0.5040402@verizon.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bkhinderks@shaw.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 17:59:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfd7cc111601744846740 Olympus really doesn't care. I went through e-mail, help desk, customer service etc to try and get the little plastic badge on the 14-54 that says "zuiko digital" -- mine fell off -- its glued on!!! Response from everyone at Oly USA is that this is a "structural" part and can only be handled by a pro service guy. I was looking at the E-3 at the time and have now decided not to go ahead --- Oly has just gone too far. After some 30 years of using them it is now time to look elsewhere. BarryH At 05:38 AM 16/09/2008, you wrote: >Seems Olympus does not stock ANY repair parts for the STF-22 twin flash >macro setup. A doctor called me the other day. He said he had sent >this unit to Olympus in Hauppauge NY for service, they sent it back >telling him to buy a new one. It's a current product, $630 at B&H. One >of the shoe mounts on the lens ring broke off. So I got a parts pdf >from a third party (olympus makes it hard to get parts lists for >accessories) and tried to order 7-8 different parts for this unit >through Olumpus edesk. ALL come back "unavailable or discontinued". >Boy this guy was PISSED. > >Maybe if someone from olympus is lurking here, they'll do something >about this. > >___________________________________ >John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net >Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 18:16:38 2008 Received: (qmail 12947 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 16:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 16:16:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D67C3403; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:16:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:16:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C55C2E28 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:16:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KfdE2-0007xo-FR for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:16:26 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <48CFA8E0.5040402@verizon.net> <0K7A00IA2PMUOV30@l-daemon> Subject: [OM] Re: repairing the STF-22 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:16:18 +0100 Message-ID: <02e901c91817$8d2e3560$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <0K7A00IA2PMUOV30@l-daemon> thread-index: AckYFSWKLKPrM3ASSNW4ZKJMyQuzSwAAgMwA X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080915-0, 15/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8261/Tue Sep 16 14:38:16 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 18:16:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfdbe692231993019900 Could it be that they fear you will stick the plastic badge in an unapproved location? Though in the circumstances I suspect you would be happy for *them* to stick it in "an unapproved location"! -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Barry Hinderks Sent: 16 September 2008 16:57 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: repairing the STF-22 Olympus really doesn't care. I went through e-mail, help desk, customer service etc to try and get the little plastic badge on the 14-54 that says "zuiko digital" -- mine fell off -- its glued on!!! Response from everyone at Oly USA is that this is a "structural" part and can only be handled by a pro service guy. snip ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 19:21:10 2008 Received: (qmail 28851 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 17:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 17:21:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D71C3781; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:20:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:20:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-1.orange.nl (smtp-1.orange.nl [193.252.22.241]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2486C32BE for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:20:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6003.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CEB94240008A for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:20:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6003.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 98FF12400089 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:20:58 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080916172058626.98FF12400089@mwinf6003.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:20:54 +0200 Message-ID: <3B7F9C4B9043406DB1194AB26CB7ADCD@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5F93FE6E-5AB8-4AE3-B627-41F9CD745934@ThomasClausen.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 19:21:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfeb06327102070262475 Thanks for the update, Thomas. I think I speak for many others when I say that we cannot thank you enough for enabling this list. Regardless of the work you have to do, the performance of the provider and the fact that you don't post to much yourself these days. Kee up the good work. THANKS! Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Thomas Heide Clausen > Verzonden: dinsdag 16 september 2008 16:31 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] List Status and other stuff > > > > Dear all, > > We've had some issues with the list server, and the provider is all- > but-able to get things running correctly. As a consequence, we are > and have been suffering some difficulties with long delays and the > occasional lost message. > > In short: unsatisfactory performance. > > I am currently evaluating a couple of alternatives for hosting the > list at places where I can obtain a SLA, and as soon as I have > identified a suitable place, the list shall move location. Of > course, > due notice shall be given and I shall do my utmost to ensure > that the > transition be as smooth as possible. > > For the moment, however, I ask for your patience for a little while > longer. > > Sincerely, > > The List Mum. > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 19:24:26 2008 Received: (qmail 4220 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 17:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 17:24:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A61CC3076; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:24:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:24:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DB5C328E for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:24:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861E346159E for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:38:47 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <84EDF581DA3E468B94387EDCAD3316AB@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Reworked Spider Lily X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:24:13 +0100 References: <84EDF581DA3E468B94387EDCAD3316AB@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 19:24:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfebca38257350615338 Jim I like the other shots, but I can't help feeling that this image is over-sharpened. May we know what processing you carried out with Elements? I wouldn't mind seeing the RAW file, but that's probably a little cheeky :-) Chris On 16 Sep 2008, at 16:44, Jim Nichols wrote: > I was not happy with the original posted image of the Spider Lily, > so, after receiving constuctive comments from LUG members, I > reworked it, starting with the RAW image. While the basic image is > not great, I believe this is a better representation of the flower > itself. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Spider+Lily02.tif.html > > Critiques and comments welcomed. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 19:25:11 2008 Received: (qmail 29777 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 17:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 17:25:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A6DC2E0E; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D539CC334A for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:24:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KfeIM-0007Pf-80 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:24:58 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1KfeIL-00034v-Qz for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:24:57 +0100 Message-ID: <48CFEBF3.70006@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:25:07 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff References: <3B7F9C4B9043406DB1194AB26CB7ADCD@Breedbeeld> In-Reply-To: <3B7F9C4B9043406DB1194AB26CB7ADCD@Breedbeeld> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 19:25:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfebf789051529615919 Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > Thanks for the update, Thomas. > > I think I speak for many others when I say that we cannot thank you > enough for enabling this list. Regardless of the work you have to do, > the performance of the provider and the fact that you don't post to much > yourself these days. Kee up the good work. > > THANKS! > > Wiliam > >> Hear, hear! D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 19:27:26 2008 Received: (qmail 8732 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 17:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 17:27:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176F8C3160; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:27:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:27:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87DDC328E for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:27:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 152B4A2FQ2 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:27:12 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:27:05 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B7F9C4B9043406DB1194AB26CB7ADCD@Breedbeeld> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff thread-index: AckYIKJA2rSt4oPJTiyDwu574dhPbwAAMKfg From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2008 17:27:12.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[74A86470:01C91821] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 19:27:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfec7e305871073733319 Dittos from me. A thankless job performed quietly in the background. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Wiliam Wagenaar Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:21 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff Thanks for the update, Thomas. I think I speak for many others when I say that we cannot thank you enough for enabling this list. Regardless of the work you have to do, the performance of the provider and the fact that you don't post to much yourself these days. Kee up the good work. THANKS! Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Thomas Heide Clausen > Verzonden: dinsdag 16 september 2008 16:31 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] List Status and other stuff > > > > Dear all, > > We've had some issues with the list server, and the provider is all- > but-able to get things running correctly. As a consequence, we are > and have been suffering some difficulties with long delays and the > occasional lost message. > > In short: unsatisfactory performance. > > I am currently evaluating a couple of alternatives for hosting the > list at places where I can obtain a SLA, and as soon as I have > identified a suitable place, the list shall move location. 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 19:31:08 2008 Received: (qmail 28627 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 17:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 17:31:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598DEC3A1E; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:30:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:30:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7160C38FC for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:30:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:30:56 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Coolscan V ED discontinued Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:30:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Coolscan V ED discontinued Thread-Index: AckYIfgLajAeaqV0QJ2y3VLoE+yY3g== From: "Walters, Martin" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2008 17:30:56.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9E34BA0:01C91821] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mwalters@NRCan.gc.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 19:31:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfed5c160197927319144 I've been mulling over buying one of these scanners. Not seriously, yet, but thinking about it. Anyway, this model is listed on Nikon Japan site as discontinued. It's still listed as a current model on Nikon Canada's site; however, a phone call indicated that it is, indeed, discontinued. This may be old news to some on the list. If that isn't bad enough, Nikon Canada adamantly refuses to honour warranties or service in anyway machines not purchased through NC agents. Which sort of rules out the USA as an alternative supply (Cameta and others have them regularly on Eb*y). Martin ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 19:36:23 2008 Received: (qmail 222 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDAC2C3207; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:36:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:36:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [207.115.11.55]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09DA8C301D for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:36:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080916173609H0500efpeje>; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:36:09 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <84EDF581DA3E468B94387EDCAD3316AB@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Reworked Spider Lily Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:36:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 19:36:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cfee9739281744846740 Chris, You are correct, it is over-sharpened to compensate for poor focus or movement evident in the original. I probably should have given up on it without posting it. My ususal work flow is to adjust the RAW image for minor exposure problems, then transfer the image to the Elements editor. First, I adjust the histogram, adjust lighting and contrast, use color curves if needed, then sharpen as needed. I then resize the edited image and save it as a TIFF file. In all honesty, this was a poor image. I have always had a hard time getting a good image of this flower, and it doesn't last long enough for a lot of experimenting. Of the many bulbs in our yard, this is the only one that has produced a bloom this year. Thanks for looking, and for your comments. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:24 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Reworked Spider Lily > > Jim > > I like the other shots, but I can't help feeling that this image is > over-sharpened. May we know what processing you carried out with > Elements? I wouldn't mind seeing the RAW file, but that's probably a > little cheeky :-) > > Chris > > On 16 Sep 2008, at 16:44, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> I was not happy with the original posted image of the Spider Lily, >> so, after receiving constuctive comments from LUG members, I >> reworked it, starting with the RAW image. While the basic image is >> not great, I believe this is a better representation of the flower >> itself. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Spider+Lily02.tif.html >> >> Critiques and comments welcomed. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 19:47:15 2008 Received: (qmail 5923 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 17:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 17:47:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96166C44C9; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:46:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:46:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16356C4564 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:42:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A751B46143D for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:57:16 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <51007BD4-BAE0-4C4C-BF11-16908A7B1C31@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Reworked Spider Lily X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:42:42 +0100 References: <84EDF581DA3E468B94387EDCAD3316AB@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 19:47:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cff123233591234514069 Ah, so nothing lost, really, Jim. And perhaps you had fun playing with various settings ... I think that it might be the redness again. I have a real problem with redness, mostly with tulips: it produces the strangest colour, either with scanned film or direct to digital. And incorrect focus sometimes occurs. Thanks for the show. Chris On 16 Sep 2008, at 18:36, Jim Nichols wrote: > In all honesty, this was a poor image. I have always had a hard time > getting a good image of this flower, and it doesn't last long enough > for a > lot of experimenting. Of the many bulbs in our yard, this is the > only one > that has produced a bloom this year. > > Thanks for looking, and for your comments. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 20:13:59 2008 Received: (qmail 6462 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 18:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 18:13:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D35C2A9A; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:13:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:13:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA38C345F for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:13:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kff3Z-0002C1-E1 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:13:45 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:13:36 +0100 Message-ID: <02f801c91827$f092e640$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AckYIfgLajAeaqV0QJ2y3VLoE+yY3gAAwg/w X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080915-0, 15/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8263/Tue Sep 16 17:46:59 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 20:13:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48cff76710521234514069 Not exactly old news, but I did hear a couple of weeks back, Martin. I'm not sure what your quandary is. You have the choice of: a) getting no service from Nikon Canada on a scanner which is available from Cameta; or b) getting full service from Nikon Canada on a scanner which is unavailable in Canada! I have a 4000ED (which is internally identical to the V ED) which I acquired from a list member ~4 years ago. It has never shown any sign of needing service, and continues to provide excellent service, though my demands are diminishing in frequency. Given the onward march of digital and the steady reduction in competitive offerings, I doubt that we will see much inthe way of better film scanners. And the continuing high prices fetched by some of the ancillaries for the Nikon scanners suggests that they are still used by those with extensive slide/negative libraries (e.g. the SF210 slide feeder easily fetches well over $300 on the auction site). My suggestion is that if you want one, you get one while you can, and trust that it will be as reliable as mine has been. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Walters, Martin Sent: 16 September 2008 18:31 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Coolscan V ED discontinued I've been mulling over buying one of these scanners. Not seriously, yet, but thinking about it. Anyway, this model is listed on Nikon Japan site as discontinued. It's still listed as a current model on Nikon Canada's site; however, a phone call indicated that it is, indeed, discontinued. This may be old news to some on the list. If that isn't bad enough, Nikon Canada adamantly refuses to honour warranties or service in anyway machines not purchased through NC agents. Which sort of rules out the USA as an alternative supply (Cameta and others have them regularly on Eb*y). Martin ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 20:53:49 2008 Received: (qmail 14085 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 18:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 18:53:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20770C310F; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:53:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:53:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.248]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B57C376C for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:53:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 22so5153189agd.4 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:53:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=NKzhK2e1KZm/JbNgoXrwCK08I/Vj/vR+SYvQbRWnVJs=; b=HPn52CfJT7/0Cenc5trdh1C+MEDQSe6VAT6Hp1815blwozYi0zdinMhq+2rkD14ay8 3lLlI/glnCcW3wIdxFfZAo2yZLm8mmHjzqPvq5/SRtThZcSjr3L5ajadmNn4eX2fLr/H 20GA7HxkmyAtwy8YUVqpJpAI356OFTTC6x1S0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=MoeNwkfb1CUSjGUlxGAx7+ZIZZby3vQzgrM4YuNxgLEcZqx6f8K21NyiZhYXEtIWjz CIhVaUMplMsCDL314AQ87Dcb6BS5MtPGz9gDUPeQTYQHOou4JWW9hDfWEOSyF4fIVjRh /6KpzoTWtGaHFwy3otbTXA5tViVXEQ/XGtJlI= Received: by 10.90.65.14 with SMTP id n14mr1943319aga.99.1221591214863; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:53:34 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued In-Reply-To: <02f801c91827$f092e640$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <02f801c91827$f092e640$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 959d229c3356d541 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 20:53:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d000bd40561744846740 Or another option is to buy my V-ED so I can go and buy a 5000. :) Outstanding scanner, the V-ED is. My only regret in getting it was not listening to my wife and getting the 5000 instead. What a fool I've been.... AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 20:55:10 2008 Received: (qmail 16426 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 18:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 18:55:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06D4C3B5C; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:54:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:54:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C48C2E0B for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:54:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:54:56 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:54:55 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02f801c91827$f092e640$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Thread-Index: AckYIfgLajAeaqV0QJ2y3VLoE+yY3gAAwg/wAAHlm+A= References: <02f801c91827$f092e640$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> From: "Walters, Martin" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2008 18:54:56.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5ED42F0:01C9182D] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mwalters@NRCan.gc.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 20:55:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0010e77091234514069 Piers: Actually, I was thinking of asking Santa this year..... Frankly, it's the arrogance of NC (and presumably N'n in general) that bugs me. I can understand (just) the lack of warranty support for something bought elsewhere. Refusing to service a N*n product - even if bought from a legitimate dealer elsewhere - is just amazing. End of rant (maybe). It's the lack of in-Canada service that worries me, especially if I were to buy used. Even if I find one used in Canada I'd need to ensure that it's an "approved" one. Martin -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Piers Hemy Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 2:14 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Not exactly old news, but I did hear a couple of weeks back, Martin. I'm not sure what your quandary is. You have the choice of: a) getting no service from Nikon Canada on a scanner which is available from Cameta; or b) getting full service from Nikon Canada on a scanner which is unavailable in Canada! I have a 4000ED (which is internally identical to the V ED) which I acquired from a list member ~4 years ago. It has never shown any sign of needing service, and continues to provide excellent service, though my demands are diminishing in frequency. Given the onward march of digital and the steady reduction in competitive offerings, I doubt that we will see much inthe way of better film scanners. And the continuing high prices fetched by some of the ancillaries for the Nikon scanners suggests that they are still used by those with extensive slide/negative libraries (e.g. the SF210 slide feeder easily fetches well over $300 on the auction site). My suggestion is that if you want one, you get one while you can, and trust that it will be as reliable as mine has been. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Walters, Martin Sent: 16 September 2008 18:31 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Coolscan V ED discontinued I've been mulling over buying one of these scanners. Not seriously, yet, but thinking about it. Anyway, this model is listed on Nikon Japan site as discontinued. It's still listed as a current model on Nikon Canada's site; however, a phone call indicated that it is, indeed, discontinued. This may be old news to some on the list. If that isn't bad enough, Nikon Canada adamantly refuses to honour warranties or service in anyway machines not purchased through NC agents. Which sort of rules out the USA as an alternative supply (Cameta and others have them regularly on Eb*y). Martin ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 20:57:20 2008 Received: (qmail 8112 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 18:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 18:57:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6525C39B9; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:57:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:57:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AABC333E for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:57:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:57:05 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:57:05 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Thread-Index: AckYLZCm92LQDwyrQn2aB7OAMCq3gQAAC/pw References: <02f801c91827$f092e640$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> From: "Walters, Martin" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2008 18:57:05.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[033336A0:01C9182E] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mwalters@NRCan.gc.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 20:57:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d00190132174673671140 N*n Canada would refuse to service it, should that be needed! You make a good point. I need to get my wife to be sympathetic and suggest the 5000, too. Martin -----Original Message----- From: image66@gmail.com [mailto:image66@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Ken Norton Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 2:54 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Or another option is to buy my V-ED so I can go and buy a 5000. :) Outstanding scanner, the V-ED is. My only regret in getting it was not listening to my wife and getting the 5000 instead. What a fool I've been.... 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Is this a scanner that's prone to needing service? And if so, what breaks? -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Walters, Martin Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:55 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Piers: Actually, I was thinking of asking Santa this year..... Frankly, it's the arrogance of NC (and presumably N'n in general) that bugs me. I can understand (just) the lack of warranty support for something bought elsewhere. Refusing to service a N*n product - even if bought from a legitimate dealer elsewhere - is just amazing. End of rant (maybe). It's the lack of in-Canada service that worries me, especially if I were to buy used. Even if I find one used in Canada I'd need to ensure that it's an "approved" one. Martin -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Piers Hemy Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 2:14 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Not exactly old news, but I did hear a couple of weeks back, Martin. I'm not sure what your quandary is. You have the choice of: a) getting no service from Nikon Canada on a scanner which is available from Cameta; or b) getting full service from Nikon Canada on a scanner which is unavailable in Canada! I have a 4000ED (which is internally identical to the V ED) which I acquired from a list member ~4 years ago. It has never shown any sign of needing service, and continues to provide excellent service, though my demands are diminishing in frequency. Given the onward march of digital and the steady reduction in competitive offerings, I doubt that we will see much inthe way of better film scanners. And the continuing high prices fetched by some of the ancillaries for the Nikon scanners suggests that they are still used by those with extensive slide/negative libraries (e.g. the SF210 slide feeder easily fetches well over $300 on the auction site). My suggestion is that if you want one, you get one while you can, and trust that it will be as reliable as mine has been. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Walters, Martin Sent: 16 September 2008 18:31 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Coolscan V ED discontinued I've been mulling over buying one of these scanners. Not seriously, yet, but thinking about it. Anyway, this model is listed on Nikon Japan site as discontinued. It's still listed as a current model on Nikon Canada's site; however, a phone call indicated that it is, indeed, discontinued. This may be old news to some on the list. If that isn't bad enough, Nikon Canada adamantly refuses to honour warranties or service in anyway machines not purchased through NC agents. Which sort of rules out the USA as an alternative supply (Cameta and others have them regularly on Eb*y). Martin ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 21:21:34 2008 Received: (qmail 19470 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 19:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 19:21:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F700C35D2; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:21:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:21:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF22C31E8 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:21:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080916192117.GFLT4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:21:17 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.102.19.127]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id FXMG1a0062kWG3G02XMGRe; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:21:16 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=pCpF_mKODIhaE8EtGDsA:9 a=Lx4XW8DyI3i9kDN5VeMA:7 a=NY6x5XEFLwCY_TQPha9ncdxhUIsA:4 a=JZxnUwrBx3sA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <001b01c918af$84e95f40$7f136644@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:24:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 21:21:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0073e172037927319144 I don't wuppose there 's much chance of the "bulb" burning out, but they can require a bit of "oil and adjustment" now and then. bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timpe, Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Just curious. Is this a scanner that's prone to needing service? And if so, what breaks? -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Walters, Martin Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:55 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Piers: Actually, I was thinking of asking Santa this year..... Frankly, it's the arrogance of NC (and presumably N'n in general) that bugs me. I can understand (just) the lack of warranty support for something bought elsewhere. Refusing to service a N*n product - even if bought from a legitimate dealer elsewhere - is just amazing. End of rant (maybe). It's the lack of in-Canada service that worries me, especially if I were to buy used. Even if I find one used in Canada I'd need to ensure that it's an "approved" one. Martin -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Piers Hemy Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 2:14 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Not exactly old news, but I did hear a couple of weeks back, Martin. I'm not sure what your quandary is. You have the choice of: a) getting no service from Nikon Canada on a scanner which is available from Cameta; or b) getting full service from Nikon Canada on a scanner which is unavailable in Canada! I have a 4000ED (which is internally identical to the V ED) which I acquired from a list member ~4 years ago. It has never shown any sign of needing service, and continues to provide excellent service, though my demands are diminishing in frequency. Given the onward march of digital and the steady reduction in competitive offerings, I doubt that we will see much inthe way of better film scanners. And the continuing high prices fetched by some of the ancillaries for the Nikon scanners suggests that they are still used by those with extensive slide/negative libraries (e.g. the SF210 slide feeder easily fetches well over $300 on the auction site). My suggestion is that if you want one, you get one while you can, and trust that it will be as reliable as mine has been. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Walters, Martin Sent: 16 September 2008 18:31 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Coolscan V ED discontinued I've been mulling over buying one of these scanners. Not seriously, yet, but thinking about it. Anyway, this model is listed on Nikon Japan site as discontinued. It's still listed as a current model on Nikon Canada's site; however, a phone call indicated that it is, indeed, discontinued. This may be old news to some on the list. If that isn't bad enough, Nikon Canada adamantly refuses to honour warranties or service in anyway machines not purchased through NC agents. Which sort of rules out the USA as an alternative supply (Cameta and others have them regularly on Eb*y). Martin ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. 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J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:20 Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff > > Thanks for the update, Thomas. > > I think I speak for many others when I say that we cannot thank you > enough for enabling this list. Regardless of the work you have to do, > the performance of the provider and the fact that you don't post to much > yourself these days. Kee up the good work. > > THANKS! > > Wiliam > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr >> [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Thomas Heide Clausen >> Verzonden: dinsdag 16 september 2008 16:31 >> Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Onderwerp: [OM] List Status and other stuff >> >> >> >> Dear all, >> >> We've had some issues with the list server, and the provider is all- >> but-able to get things running correctly. 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( [82.132.136.195]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 33sm14691369nfu.7.2008.09.16.12.43.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <94191B84-5A4B-4D63-9724-BCCBCDE7F949@gmail.com> From: My Gmail To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5C1) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5C1) Subject: [OM] Re: Canonisation Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:44:38 +0100 References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 21:44:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d00c82148431073733319 Thanks ken. I've been collecting flowers the last couple of weeks for romantic reasons, but this is the first one that's made me go oooo too. And it's indoors, one shaded lightbulb, ISO 1600, f1.4. Tom Sent from my iPhone On 16 Sep 2008, at 15:45, "Ken Norton" wrote: > > Oooo. Nice! Very Nice! > > AG > > http://www.zone-10.com > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 21:59:31 2008 Received: (qmail 32566 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 19:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 19:59:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B72EC2926; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:59:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:59:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.63]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 70934C3A91 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:59:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 87679 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2008 19:59:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=deEEjn26sRvlR4X0KbYAGiWyTh8UEdS1OiWS2BasjSjIK77g8zzfdwiSKaZ2zRJ2/4IZGzSC8iTMOtUe0LSxiujnxMDzDU9AcrBlyd/lckKis7VZFf/ak/TFSTBzwbRGkUPPY+XPihJDkxRSq9vMWM46HXodkeubOg+VhlNPAxU=; X-YMail-OSG: JYM0PVkVM1l7sVGFKU_Rg.mm902bk3y8KJLDiz82qARaaFrcPpQfOiIJW6yZvg64aigzBBlty0bdeqUu.LqD19CF3u4wrZdCTEb8kh0mWA-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:59:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:59:18 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <886108.87316.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 21:59:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0102366221234514069 That's just as good as Olympus not having parts available for a current model flash. Whats wrong with these companies? They are forcing people to toss their equipment sooner! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 22:05:13 2008 Received: (qmail 4455 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 20:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 20:05:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F99DC35BA; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:05:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:05:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 55C11C3AC6 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:05:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 11403 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 20:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.180.144) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 20:04:46 -0000 In-Reply-To: <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:04:55 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 22:05:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d01179311961234514069 We wait breathlessly for the post just after you rip the mounting ring off your camera! :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 17/09/2008, at 1:01 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Thanks a lot for the link. While I think I have my Fotodiox adapter > secured, this one would be better for my 200mm. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 22:05:24 2008 Received: (qmail 10856 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 20:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 20:05:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F095BC3BB9; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:05:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:05:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA448C2E89 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:05:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KfgnO-0005Sk-DC for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:05:10 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <02f801c91827$f092e640$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:05:01 +0100 Message-ID: <031401c91837$80fd94a0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AckYIfgLajAeaqV0QJ2y3VLoE+yY3gAAwg/wAAHlm+AAAobNUA== X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080915-0, 15/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8265/Tue Sep 16 20:26:49 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 22:05:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0118496211023412894 Welllllll, it's not that different from olympus UK's approach to service of OM equipment. They accept 4Ti bodies for service from working pro photographers, farm them out to an independent repairer, but offer not parts backup whatever. Surely there are non-franchised repair facilities in Canada ready to jump into the breach? If not, there can't be much demand - which suggests they don't go wrong :-) If you do follow AG's line of thinking and get a 5000-ED, I have a roll film adapter available. I offered it to him when he was thinking of getting a scanner, but he chose the V-ED which cannot use the bulk-scanning adaptors - hey, Ken, don't say I didn't tell you :-). -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Walters, Martin Sent: 16 September 2008 19:55 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Piers: Actually, I was thinking of asking Santa this year..... Frankly, it's the arrogance of NC (and presumably N'n in general) that bugs me. I can understand (just) the lack of warranty support for something bought elsewhere. Refusing to service a N*n product - even if bought from a legitimate dealer elsewhere - is just amazing. End of rant (maybe). It's the lack of in-Canada service that worries me, especially if I were to buy used. Even if I find one used in Canada I'd need to ensure that it's an "approved" one. Martin -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Piers Hemy Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 2:14 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Not exactly old news, but I did hear a couple of weeks back, Martin. I'm not sure what your quandary is. You have the choice of: a) getting no service from Nikon Canada on a scanner which is available from Cameta; or b) getting full service from Nikon Canada on a scanner which is unavailable in Canada! I have a 4000ED (which is internally identical to the V ED) which I acquired from a list member ~4 years ago. It has never shown any sign of needing service, and continues to provide excellent service, though my demands are diminishing in frequency. Given the onward march of digital and the steady reduction in competitive offerings, I doubt that we will see much inthe way of better film scanners. And the continuing high prices fetched by some of the ancillaries for the Nikon scanners suggests that they are still used by those with extensive slide/negative libraries (e.g. the SF210 slide feeder easily fetches well over $300 on the auction site). My suggestion is that if you want one, you get one while you can, and trust that it will be as reliable as mine has been. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Walters, Martin Sent: 16 September 2008 18:31 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Coolscan V ED discontinued I've been mulling over buying one of these scanners. Not seriously, yet, but thinking about it. Anyway, this model is listed on Nikon Japan site as discontinued. It's still listed as a current model on Nikon Canada's site; however, a phone call indicated that it is, indeed, discontinued. This may be old news to some on the list. If that isn't bad enough, Nikon Canada adamantly refuses to honour warranties or service in anyway machines not purchased through NC agents. Which sort of rules out the USA as an alternative supply (Cameta and others have them regularly on Eb*y). Martin ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 22:06:50 2008 Received: (qmail 17884 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 20:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 20:06:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAD8C3B2E; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:06:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:06:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4718FC389A for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:06:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 265A312FM3 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:06:36 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:06:27 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <886108.87316.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued thread-index: AckYNryiZROKMhhMSPWIJNWBbI1/CAAAI07g From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2008 20:06:36.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8E2D0B0:01C91837] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 22:06:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d011da66185368819438 Fluke 'generally' supports equipment for at least ten years. In some cases (smaller meters), that may not be the case. We would then offer a 'repair by replacement' which upgrades to a newer, ostensibly better model, for the price of a repair. But then one of John Fluke Sr.'s tenants of business was to have the customer ALWAYS be left with the impression they got more than they paid for. That flies in the face of current business practice and policy by and large. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of AS Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:59 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued That's just as good as Olympus not having parts available for a current model flash. Whats wrong with these companies? 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 22:16:27 2008 Received: (qmail 15308 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 20:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 20:16:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DC7C3799; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:16:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:16:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B305AC3503 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:16:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080916201609.HDRT4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:16:09 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.102.19.127]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id FYG91a00M2kWG3G02YG96T; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:16:10 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NmU9dUCy5KpIQSxh1PoA:9 a=j1rUrDmozsGFxnUcG5k8R-AzEdIA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <00c401c918b7$305f3f00$7f136644@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:19:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 22:16:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0141b36677927319144 I would suspect that the scanners have been spending a lot of time on shelves lately, and it has probably been years since one was actually manufacturered. They are probably a little bitter and want to be done with the line. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 22:19:48 2008 Received: (qmail 28575 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 20:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 20:19:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9969BC3CE5; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:19:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:19:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B04C31DE for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:19:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED65461588 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:34:10 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <29026F95-9A9D-4222-86C1-C1F8C2E2DA83@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <5F93FE6E-5AB8-4AE3-B627-41F9CD745934@ThomasClausen.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:19:35 +0100 References: <5F93FE6E-5AB8-4AE3-B627-41F9CD745934@ThomasClausen.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 22:19:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d014e426574673671140 Thanks a lot, Thomas. I should not mind a little disruption if you felt the need to make a move. Chris On 16 Sep 2008, at 15:30, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > Dear all, > > We've had some issues with the list server, and the provider is all- > but-able to get things running correctly. As a consequence, we are > and have been suffering some difficulties with long delays and the > occasional lost message. > > In short: unsatisfactory performance. > > I am currently evaluating a couple of alternatives for hosting the > list at places where I can obtain a SLA, and as soon as I have > identified a suitable place, the list shall move location. Of course, > due notice shall be given and I shall do my utmost to ensure that the > transition be as smooth as possible. > > For the moment, however, I ask for your patience for a little while > longer. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 22:44:46 2008 Received: (qmail 9107 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 20:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 20:44:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA345C3C99; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:44:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:44:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.232]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CF6C3C6D for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:44:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so3326641qbc.11 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:44:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=c9GIo7xeg/4nvC9d5WDDTwj2gE1vrZFks4uBhoTE9nI=; b=BUaNFswh1aKHvx3IVhS6as75CjV2qQcaAxxa20GgTt3UuJw8K4v5TX8aE5FRTZ7b2Q 6xTpp723C/iPmEqaJecyq9TyJeKrx8/j1hKqlUfp9o2+Ti8upvs4ABVqbLD88Bv/Ruxg qQMkQmtHhS+6wJlnLqY0WcB1hj8rGbPLe79sk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=mfvm3Us1ajI6CM/1JRmFeo3YfAnPZwQe6/rUNjgCTKsxts/hFBKz3CpGaQE+Fesd1R Ah+tblGiXgU2sxTjlZIqRp6zGicq+tkhSAFoTWWgcFrsVyhq6esEEoIKuBEPKDYELS0N GPq1pqwhTugHByz0agx+pYWBbH7oea5CIHQrM= Received: by 10.86.82.16 with SMTP id f16mr321706fgb.16.1221597871859; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.29.1 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0809161344w2a510726s1827b50c264b878@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:44:31 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Spooky Camera Behavior In-Reply-To: <20080916005447.17848.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080916005447.17848.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 22:44:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d01abd217201744846740 Thanks Chuck, that's helpful. I'll try a different viewer and I will also download the images to a different PC to see if it repeats itself. Charlie On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:54 PM, wrote: > I believe that many cameras (if not all) do generate a thumbnail which is > embedded in the main image. The Minolta A1, for example, stores a small > thumbnail for preview on the camera if only raw files are being saved. My > Canon 5D stores a roughly 4 MP JPEG image with raw files even if you don't > ask it to save JPEGs as well. Every camera is different. > > Based on the scenario you outlined it sounds as though there must be a bug > in the camera firmware or the viewing software you're using (if the viewing > software had recently displayed the older image in the same session). I'd > try viewing the files on the computer again using a different viewer. If > the old thumbnail doesn't show up any more or if the other viewing software > doesn't show it any more then it was probably a memory cache bug in your > existing viewing software. Otherwise a bug in the camera firmware possibly > exacerbated by image deletion in camera. Remember my admonitions the other > day not to delete in camera? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Charles Geilfuss > > Subject: [OM] Spooky Camera Behavior > > Sent: Sep 15 '08 20:43 > > > > A while back I mentioned that I've been doing some infrared > photography > > with an old Olympus C-700 UZ. I took a few images yesterday of Fort > Moultrie > > on Sullivan's Island. The spooky behavior occured after I downloaded the > > images to my PC. No I didn't see IR ghosts but I did notice one > thumbnail > > image in the folder was of an image I had deleted from the SM card about > a > > month ago. Much to my surprise when I double clicked the image to open > it, > > it was one of the IR scenics I had taken yesterday and not the full > color > > image of a bumble bee I took and deleted a month ago. I rechecked the > camera > > card by viewing the images through the camera and the bee image is > nowhere > > to be seen. What gives? I would have thought the thumbnails displayed by > the > > PC are generated from the actual photo file on the hard drive. Am I > > mistaken? Is the thumbnail generated by the camera in a hidden process > of > > which I am unaware? > > > > Charlie > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 22:46:50 2008 Received: (qmail 18824 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 20:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 20:46:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CE3C3A0B; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:46:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:46:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.224]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D27C399C for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:46:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so3327508qbc.11 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:46:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=TsrlhfvvCWuTdezTnoWYnjgdHVcwf9+tseLSJl8Zrg8=; b=htwmlEa9OFvJzoxtGlQE9hJy0wOzgvf8AurPz1ZCkEQh7z/u15dbT/TyWLzfWleGU3 Y/5/wk/88OXrN6JN2sV5LMWc+B9RI4kdqoTHDC4pMVW4L7x8EtNi2pTXWgqJw/upB8TG nnbJ41MLdk1q4Xe2IpgKaEtgJRUzQJEhboCXs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=fC8pTXGzOYWjlCuxrI6zn6o9GTVjEZUvkpy8mDyiyAA/gAR8QxMZl+XrRRu6K8kV8E MezDEV7bR3It2gpGBkNri1TeDFSPGrrhiOm6GarJTtRVv+AGEzF1Vy8gxj03WavQD0QH wOb8Eek3gnmYAxrSG5w+R3I01B3NPNUuvDV+U= Received: by 10.86.63.19 with SMTP id l19mr1216377fga.60.1221597996838; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.29.1 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0809161346l4c299a68l10343649585946a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:46:36 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff In-Reply-To: <5F93FE6E-5AB8-4AE3-B627-41F9CD745934@ThomasClausen.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <5F93FE6E-5AB8-4AE3-B627-41F9CD745934@ThomasClausen.org> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 22:46:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d01b3a155561591313764 Thanks for the update Thomas; and echoing others here, a heartfelt thanks for your efforts. Charlie On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Thomas Heide Clausen < olympus@thomasclausen.org> wrote: > > Dear all, > > We've had some issues with the list server, and the provider is all- > but-able to get things running correctly. As a consequence, we are > and have been suffering some difficulties with long delays and the > occasional lost message. > > In short: unsatisfactory performance. > > I am currently evaluating a couple of alternatives for hosting the > list at places where I can obtain a SLA, and as soon as I have > identified a suitable place, the list shall move location. Of course, > due notice shall be given and I shall do my utmost to ensure that the > transition be as smooth as possible. > > For the moment, however, I ask for your patience for a little while > longer. > > Sincerely, > > The List Mum. > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 22:47:42 2008 Received: (qmail 4667 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 20:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 20:47:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C623C3D28; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:47:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:47:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148C1C2F8A for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:47:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.89]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20080916204727.SUF1761.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:47:27 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUJADuzz0hMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIgWy4d4Fn Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 16 Sep 2008 16:44:12 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:47:24 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] List Status and other stuff Thread-Index: AckYPWv0ql6PEIQwEd2uZwAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <5F93FE6E-5AB8-4AE3-B627-41F9CD745934@ThomasClausen.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 22:47:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d01b6e305521744846740 Might I suggest that as a part of this move "we" consider registering a domain that offers e-mail redirection? This way, we could switch over transparently beforehand and still use 'ml.free.fr' as you set up the new hosting, and then see no interruption when you push the button. I'd be willing to contribute to the cost of such a domain. Michael P.S. I know you know this, but Nils will have to adjust the archiving. I don't know that we ever knew who started mirroring the group on Nabble, and IIRC it wasn't universally popular, so I suppose we'll let that take care of itself. On 9/16/08 10:30 AM, "Thomas Heide Clausen" wrote: > > Dear all, > > We've had some issues with the list server, and the provider is all- > but-able to get things running correctly. As a consequence, we are > and have been suffering some difficulties with long delays and the > occasional lost message. > > In short: unsatisfactory performance. > > I am currently evaluating a couple of alternatives for hosting the > list at places where I can obtain a SLA, and as soon as I have > identified a suitable place, the list shall move location. Of course, > due notice shall be given and I shall do my utmost to ensure that the > transition be as smooth as possible. > > For the moment, however, I ask for your patience for a little while > longer. > > Sincerely, > > The List Mum. > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 22:48:40 2008 Received: (qmail 4877 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 20:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 20:48:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0948C3E3D; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:48:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:48:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4339EC3E18 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:48:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so3328105qbc.11 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:48:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ZnF0hoCOzoHxvFI8d3LNKbPaADO4XCyd/lQRO7VoVAo=; b=NQ8K83kiSeB8BqCcxZ6r+NNKY1e3MieiKlkpiv169Y9QimlBthS01H+xAqzd7v59BR 4PGfOn6MyBT2oaOFxXGH5vAlG/Q46g/RBVUSlu83fUZqzcAEAZKwMTw/mX3FAHAo1L94 xfsVPY1tZFto4u4dXsfzPsj+pjKVNaF81e7nI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=liBicBNVsUEPnovS4WYajw5ptEATBQUOMMqtWVPxnhOCLM5k4Fv66fpasjO2Yv+urk maZ9ho6cPiRV9KfFO5ROyZZEbwYPt+nyWS3RRlq5Z2NzGP9vwbzVk34Tq6+X0rK7UGHP evet9NpNY1HTl52QqslLWqgR7ykRSCxpON5Ns= Received: by 10.86.70.3 with SMTP id s3mr330516fga.51.1221598106177; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.29.1 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0809161348m2e6946aeub0fa5dbd07a77234@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:48:26 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Voigtlander 58mm/40mm Lenses In-Reply-To: <300584.10924.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080916030000.24259.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <300584.10924.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 22:48:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d01ba8175203675314703 I had the 40/2 lens and it is a very good one. I sold it to finance my switch to digital. Big mistake. Charlie On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:11 PM, AS wrote: > > I am getting burned out on zoom lenses. Looking for a good fixed focal > lens. I am looking into the Voigtlander SL-II lenses. Good or bad comments > regarding these lenses? > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 22:56:06 2008 Received: (qmail 1488 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 20:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 20:56:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34ED5C38D8; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:55:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:55:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.251]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D115C385C for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:55:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 22so5207115agd.4 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:55:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=CaPMEbk8bLUcQrE0XeN7F2frugNZpz1xTk+PBW9Qcps=; b=OtdDMkxGyB3gVIoZrdsxgwvd2OMh6cC/QRTgW7hic8xAVYuPXFpT4ARINjbYzbYk4S x8LFNaywycRnmAncyh6kKqi2hT/hXGO6Ls8TBRJzo6qyb3WSQBokZ1ptuw4P01dNXv9I m4QBVWpaE6zr9Dy6yUMUFZwspKEXrD8PAMCbY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=iLCa4dnNcCB/CxvS8QiD1D6kmOUsWLyVppB/OPNnuWeyanNVkXFJVF4eWZr1PasIbT h3K2DhyBwtiJKiZ9wtNcQnLeoD77U8J/APgQKgdOjWEg01jDubVi9/vWtD9hviInV65z PpEhyyUJMxW728zrR85mdUaZO3fkKGTNPTlrk= Received: by 10.90.100.20 with SMTP id x20mr2073694agb.107.1221598551611; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:55:51 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued In-Reply-To: <00c401c918b7$305f3f00$7f136644@youra9279112e3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <00c401c918b7$305f3f00$7f136644@youra9279112e3> X-Google-Sender-Auth: dcf1b64d95a97ff0 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 22:56:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d01d6682161744846740 Bill Pearce wrote: >I would suspect that the scanners have been spending a lot of time on >shelves lately, and it has probably been years since one was actually >manufacturered. They are probably a little bitter and want to be done with >the line. Very good point. Which begs the question of why the market isn't flooded with a huge inventory of unwanted 4000dpi scanners. Since "nobody" shoots film anymore, you'd think that they would be as common as Beanie Babies on ebay. Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 23:06:55 2008 Received: (qmail 30662 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 21:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 21:06:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDF1C3F23; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:06:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:06:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF33C3EBC for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:06:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so1636836nfi.19 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:06:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=DdX7pREESELA23tUtN3tPLoLI6Pr6sXRov3/F2rwhwE=; b=n5aiSwSSY6IiTRGp/8Jfg6NLPOyDZlmOtGdGj1Mvdqv9LiyO9kig3l+E7gRN0sqo73 TuAzLsfYxyPlGUmEo3txpdv1uXf4pLGiUGpv19wH2+E35c4EVdpcwSiDyNXP1vWH/TVW MYHawsp8ZmEqhXImLcHId7BzPs4WZXO7lraPM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=tE2s1tcj3zAMlj1SvsRBOMP6JRKQGExpWKOmMoZVysoVQCKw3Ke8L7tyM3QbYvmdH5 p8VTxteeD+mJXo0reV0BnRX0CneF66cJ3da+bErOrQDh2UUC9ota1onmD7cHTHdo8sGl zNoX2Y2qP7ishEtR4b8+xRhgRHXjILcMiPjiE= Received: by 10.210.20.17 with SMTP id 17mr1922640ebt.59.1221599203997; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:06:43 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Compensatory Olympus Photos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 23:06:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d01fef114574673671140 I'm still using the E-3 as well. I've been on a diet for some weeks, but I only just started photographing my breakfast - better late than never: http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/breakfast Ditched 24 pounds in three months by eating these and then nothing until supper except unlimited skinny lattes. Feels good, and they're pretty photogenic. Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 23:20:24 2008 Received: (qmail 14000 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 21:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 21:20:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57992C327E; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:20:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:20:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5518CC330C for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:20:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5170 invoked by uid 502); 16 Sep 2008 21:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.169.144) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Sep 2008 21:20:10 -0000 Message-ID: <48D02305.5080002@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:20:05 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Canonisation References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 23:20:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d02318236041585427447 Ken Norton wrote: > Oooo. Nice! Very Nice! > Oy! The silver snouted one praising an image from a - gasp - 5D? No silver on the nose of that 50/1.4 either, I'll wager. Still, a very nice image, for those who don't think flower images are passe. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 23:28:16 2008 Received: (qmail 24053 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 21:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 21:28:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A2AC2E21; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:28:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:28:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id CDDF4C3481 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:28:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21530 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 21:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.180.144) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 21:27:50 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <807CEE66-0327-43E3-BB26-9CF95764F195@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Compensatory Olympus Photos Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:27:59 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 23:28:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d024f069491035110158 Lost 8kg (17lb) in 6 weeks while avoiding fruit and lattes altogether. :-) (Drink coffee - not flavoured warm milk!) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 17/09/2008, at 7:06 AM, Tom Fenwick wrote: > I'm still using the E-3 as well. I've been on a diet for some > weeks, but I > only just started photographing my breakfast - better late than never: > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/breakfast > > Ditched 24 pounds in three months by eating these and then nothing > until > supper except unlimited skinny lattes. Feels good, and they're pretty > photogenic. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 23:36:09 2008 Received: (qmail 31355 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 21:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 21:36:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DA1C4023; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:35:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:35:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CA0C3FB8 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:35:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 16542 invoked by uid 502); 16 Sep 2008 21:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.185.53) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Sep 2008 21:35:56 -0000 Message-ID: <48D026BA.20403@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:35:54 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 23:36:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d026c9327021234514069 Walters, Martin wrote: > I've been mulling over buying one of these scanners. Not seriously, yet, but thinking about it. Anyway, this model is listed on Nikon Japan site as discontinued. It's still listed as a current model on Nikon Canada's site; however, a phone call indicated that it is, indeed, discontinued. This may be old news to some on the list. If that isn't bad enough, Nikon Canada adamantly refuses to honour warranties or service in anyway machines not purchased through NC agents. Which sort of rules out the USA as an alternative supply (Cameta and others have them regularly on Eb*y). > What about buying one from the US and, in the unlikely event of the need for service, sending it to the US for service? Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Sep 16 23:52:30 2008 Received: (qmail 22253 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 21:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 21:52:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911D6C2F3E; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:52:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:52:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A41AC33DD for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:52:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c79.40f420ec (41812) for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:52:12 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:52:01 EDT Subject: [OM] Re: Compensatory Olympus Photos To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Sep 16 23:52:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d02a9e85705368819438 In a message dated 9/16/2008 4:07:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, super.wide@gmail.com writes: I've been on a diet for some weeks, but I only just started photographing my breakfast - better late than never: _http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/breakfast_ (http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/breakfast) Looks like a great breakfast. You should keep looking at the pictures of the people kissing, rather than the french fries. Were the fries early on in the diet and the lovers later? Guess dropping 24 pounds could do that for you. What ever the case, it looks like your diet will make you a real "regular" guy. <{B^) Bill Barber **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 00:32:07 2008 Received: (qmail 9484 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 22:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 22:32:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D538C3CA4; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:31:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:31:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3ACC3791 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:31:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22677 invoked by uid 502); 16 Sep 2008 22:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.192.176) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Sep 2008 22:31:52 -0000 Message-ID: <48D033D6.60405@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:31:50 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Reworked Spider Lily References: <84EDF581DA3E468B94387EDCAD3316AB@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 00:32:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d033e7136231946193717 Jim Nichols wrote: > Chris, > > You are correct, it is over-sharpened to compensate for poor focus or movement evident in the original. I probably should have given up on it without posting it. > If I may be disagreeable without giving offense, I must disagree. Over processed, without doubt. Mis-sharpened, possibly. Over sharpened, I don't think so. Even with a small, over processed image, it's possible to improve clarity and detail with sharpening. I'm not claiming my alternates are great images, and the second step is indeed oversharpened. I am claiming that, with proper processing before down sampling, then proper sharpening at final display size, this image could look a lot better. > My ususal work flow is to adjust the RAW image for minor exposure problems, then transfer the image to the Elements editor. First, I adjust the histogram, adjust lighting and contrast, use color curves if needed, then sharpen as needed. I then resize the edited image and save it as a TIFF file. > May I suggest that you either move the sharpening to last or sharpen less at full size, then sharpen again at display size. I discuss why, with examples, in my article on sharpening. > In all honesty, this was a poor image. In all probability,a large version of your image wil never look sharp. However, it is often possible to make web size versions of rather unsharp images look pretty good. Here's an image Mike posted from his Mexico horse trip. You can see on the reduced size version that the flowers are unsharp. Focus was on the wall and DOF insufficient for the closest flowers. I"ve included a full pixel sample that shows how soft the focus really is. But I really like the image. So starting with the original, 3000x4000 pixel size and working in 16 bit mode, I processed it, including LCE, which often enhances the visual impression of sharpness. I then down sampled it and experimented with different sharpening settings. The one I present here involves two sharpening steps, the second applied only to the flowers by using a mask. If you flip back and forth, the second image may seem over sharpened. And that may be the case for your taste. But before coming firmly to that conclusion, leave the sharpened version up for a while, do some other things, then look at it by itself, rather in roll-over comparison. Even if it's still over sharpened for you, consider it an instructive example of how much detail may appear from a large, soft image in a smaller form. I suspect there is a much better small version of your Lily hiding in the full size original. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 01:08:35 2008 Received: (qmail 3730 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 23:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 23:08:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05298C316B; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:08:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:08:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [207.115.11.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43656C27B6 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:08:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20080916230819H020015j6ee>; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:08:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <84EDF581DA3E468B94387EDCAD3316AB@jimnichols> <48D033D6.60405@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Reworked Spider Lily Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:08:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 01:08:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d03c73121231073733319 Moose, I agree, that final sharpening should be done at the final size. I often do that, but did not mention it in my work flow. My problem with the lily image was lack of DOF in my approach to taking the photo, which left the ends of the "spider legs" OOF. I tried to compensate for this with sharpening, and my approach was not up to the task. I did not try masking and sharpening locally, because of all of the elements in the photo. Thanks for your comments. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:31 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Reworked Spider Lily > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Chris, >> >> You are correct, it is over-sharpened to compensate for poor focus or >> movement evident in the original. I probably should have given up on it >> without posting it. >> > If I may be disagreeable without giving offense, I must disagree. > > Over processed, without doubt. Mis-sharpened, possibly. Over sharpened, > I don't think so. > > Even with a small, over processed image, it's possible to improve > clarity and detail with sharpening. > > > I'm not claiming my alternates are great images, and the second step is > indeed oversharpened. I am claiming that, with proper processing before > down sampling, then proper sharpening at final display size, this image > could look a lot better. >> My ususal work flow is to adjust the RAW image for minor exposure >> problems, then transfer the image to the Elements editor. First, I >> adjust the histogram, adjust lighting and contrast, use color curves if >> needed, then sharpen as needed. I then resize the edited image and save >> it as a TIFF file. >> > May I suggest that you either move the sharpening to last or sharpen > less at full size, then sharpen again at display size. I discuss why, > with examples, in my article on sharpening. > >> In all honesty, this was a poor image. > In all probability,a large version of your image wil never look sharp. > However, it is often possible to make web size versions of rather > unsharp images look pretty good. > > Here's an image Mike posted from his Mexico horse trip. You can see on > the reduced size version that the flowers are unsharp. Focus was on the > wall and DOF insufficient for the closest flowers. I"ve included a full > pixel sample that shows how soft the focus really is. But I really like > the image. > > > So starting with the original, 3000x4000 pixel size and working in 16 > bit mode, I processed it, including LCE, which often enhances the visual > impression of sharpness. I then down sampled it and experimented with > different sharpening settings. The one I present here involves two > sharpening steps, the second applied only to the flowers by using a mask. > > If you flip back and forth, the second image may seem over sharpened. > And that may be the case for your taste. But before coming firmly to > that conclusion, leave the sharpened version up for a while, do some > other things, then look at it by itself, rather in roll-over comparison. > > Even if it's still over sharpened for you, consider it an instructive > example of how much detail may appear from a large, soft image in a > smaller form. > > I suspect there is a much better small version of your Lily hiding in > the full size original. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 01:23:39 2008 Received: (qmail 13767 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 23:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 23:23:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFE9C2F0F; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:23:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:23:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3975C32E0 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:23:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25617 invoked by uid 502); 16 Sep 2008 23:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.192.176) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Sep 2008 23:23:08 -0000 Message-ID: <48D03FDA.9070403@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:23:06 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Compensatory Olympus Photos References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 01:23:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d03ffb232501470116606 Tom Fenwick wrote: > I'm still using the E-3 as well. I've been on a diet for some weeks, but I only just started photographing my breakfast - better late than never: http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/breakfast > > Ditched 24 pounds in three months by eating these and then nothing until supper except unlimited skinny lattes. Feels good, and they're pretty photogenic. > Nice series. It all looks good except for the dry flakes. I virtually never eat breakfast, so why am I so far from sylphlike? I suppose it may have something to do with the late night cookie? Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 01:28:27 2008 Received: (qmail 6485 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 23:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 23:28:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A12C30E6; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D65C3667 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:28:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28875 invoked by uid 502); 16 Sep 2008 23:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.192.176) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Sep 2008 23:28:14 -0000 Message-ID: <48D0410B.202@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:28:11 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued References: <00c401c918b7$305f3f00$7f136644@youra9279112e3> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 01:28:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0411b274254673671140 Ken Norton wrote: > > Very good point. Which begs the question of why the market isn't flooded with a huge inventory of unwanted 4000dpi scanners. Since "nobody" shoots film anymore, you'd think that they would be as common as Beanie Babies on ebay. > Likely many are like me, using it less, but with both a big inventory of older film I intend to scan and still unsure how much film I will be shooting going forward. I believe I read that film sales have bottomed out, then bounced back a bit. With the cost sunk, and the alternatives for scanning unappealing, it feels good to have the trusty tool at hand. I happen to have used it quite a bit lately, but would still have it anyway. 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(moose@71.139.192.176) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Sep 2008 23:29:44 -0000 Message-ID: <48D04166.1050006@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:29:42 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff References: <3B7F9C4B9043406DB1194AB26CB7ADCD@Breedbeeld> <48CFEBF3.70006@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48CFEBF3.70006@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 01:29:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d04175106531234514069 Donald wrote: > Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > >> I think I speak for many others when I say that we cannot thank you >> enough for enabling this list. ... >> Wiliam > Hear, hear! > Here, here, too! Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 01:49:20 2008 Received: (qmail 27496 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 23:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 23:49:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E6EC3752; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:49:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:49:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526A7C3550 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:49:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9806 invoked by uid 502); 16 Sep 2008 23:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.169.88) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Sep 2008 23:49:07 -0000 Message-ID: <48D045F1.9040009@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:49:05 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: repairing the STF-22 References: <48CFA8E0.5040402@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48CFA8E0.5040402@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 01:49:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d04600150897350615338 John Hermanson wrote: > Seems Olympus does not stock ANY repair parts for the STF-22 twin flash > macro setup. ... ALL come back "unavailable or discontinued". > Boy this guy was PISSED. > That's a shame. I wonder if distributors in other areas of the world are different. You need a correspondent repairer in a place with decent parts service. I'm having the decades old crowns on "my two front teeth" replaced before my dental insurance flies away. The ceramacist who will be making the new ones took pics of my teeth, smile, etc. with a Nikon DSLR. She had switched from Canon for the nifty multi head macro flash unit with wireless control that she was using. Like the T28 Macro Twin Flash in concept, but different in detail. She had two heads*, but one may add more. Moose * No, flash heads on the camera, silly! Only one head on her rather appealing looking body. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 01:50:10 2008 Received: (qmail 28330 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2008 23:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 23:50:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4319DC3240; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:49:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:49:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D01CC37A3 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:49:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080916234957H06009v424e>; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:49:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:50:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 01:50:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d04632283631823421471 Andrew, Your comment challenged me to do some crude research. On my scales, I get the following: E-510 Camera Body, 21 ounces Zuiko 14-54 Zoom Lens, 17 ounces Takumar 200mm, f/4 lens, 21 ounces If the camera mounting ring won't handle an additional 4 ounces in a lens that is slightly longer than the Zuiko zoom, then how does it handle the much longer FL Zuiko zooms? An inquiring mind wants to know! :-) Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird > > We wait breathlessly for the post just after you rip the mounting > ring off your camera! :-) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 17/09/2008, at 1:01 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> Thanks a lot for the link. While I think I have my Fotodiox adapter >> secured, this one would be better for my 200mm. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 02:22:36 2008 Received: (qmail 26165 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 00:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 00:22:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E846AC28DD; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:22:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:22:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp110.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp110.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.0]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 713C9C287F for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:22:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 55361 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 00:22:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=n55sNOrY55wlIkeBuEP1GHqAE0cwMMCtDSWjzTb0Jo67jDd28mbDHWxYI4NNg+7LEGKpEV6qYUbVhO9WhFvmCJBH28gM52ZEFywI+CvkC4MjrI0IQmuyIrZWEaoZQPOy4gFKI3CGGvOw2z46ipnnW8Pyng0br+wR2tEjlmTCBEQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mwalters@rogers.com@99.241.188.157 with plain) by smtp110.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 00:22:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Q2yW1NoVM1mqAt6XmwIFFr9n0zaxMbEBRnSZCE9ZM92h.LJ_azIJrTmEU1rwKLYxiQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <48D04DBD.2070307@rogers.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:22:21 -0400 From: Martin Walters User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued References: <48D026BA.20403@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48D026BA.20403@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mwalters@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 02:22:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d04dcc297511946193717 That does remain an option, though with service, I'd get into the issue of cross-border shipping (the issue is back into Canada). At the risk of repeating myself, it's the position of N*n Canada that grates, rather than the shipping issue (I'd likely have to ship to NC anyway). I had been in no hurry to shell out the $$$ for a unit. May have to re-evaluate. Martin Moose wrote: > Walters, Martin wrote: >> I've been mulling over buying one of these scanners. Not seriously, yet, but thinking about it. Anyway, this model is listed on Nikon Japan site as discontinued. It's still listed as a current model on Nikon Canada's site; however, a phone call indicated that it is, indeed, discontinued. This may be old news to some on the list. If that isn't bad enough, Nikon Canada adamantly refuses to honour warranties or service in anyway machines not purchased through NC agents. Which sort of rules out the USA as an alternative supply (Cameta and others have them regularly on Eb*y). >> > What about buying one from the US and, in the unlikely event of the need > for service, sending it to the US for service? > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 02:52:30 2008 Received: (qmail 9560 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 00:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 00:52:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB6AC2A9E; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:52:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:52:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36271C2E6E for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:52:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.88]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8H0qFt8023663 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:52:15 +1000 Message-Id: <200809170052.m8H0qFt8023663@mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.236]) by webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:52:15 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:52:15 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 02:52:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d054ce52337350615338 > Moose wrote: > > Ken Norton wrote: > > > > Very good point. Which begs the question of why the market isn't > flooded with a huge inventory of unwanted 4000dpi scanners. Since > "nobody" shoots film anymore, you'd think that they would be as common > as Beanie Babies on ebay. > > Yes, and also the lack of used Pro level DSLRs, these don't seem to appear much on the used market either. Perhaps they just get tossed in the skip when the pro buys a new model. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 03:43:49 2008 Received: (qmail 28238 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 01:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 01:43:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318BCC31B8; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:43:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:43:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A3CC2FF7 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:43:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([98.18.110.84]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080917014336.WOZC23580.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:43:36 -0500 Received: from XPS400.alltel.net ([98.18.110.84]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080917014335.KPUV26398.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:43:35 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:43:31 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, olympus@ml.free.fr From: Johnny Johnson Subject: [OM] Re: Compensatory Olympus Photos In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20080917014335.KPUV26398.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ni7OL2unA+IFvKTZgvZ6mA==:17 a=jvwh82mLFaVhQ5ko98oA:9 a=5kK5W-FVxMGmMCgRjSxsOiqxm2IA:4 a=_KtGf5bnNxAA:10 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jjohnso4@alltel.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 03:43:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d060d5218801744846740 At 05:06 PM 9/16/2008, Tom Fenwick wrote: >Ditched 24 pounds in three months by eating these and then nothing until >supper I can definitely see how that would work. Pretty pictures too. Later, Johnny __________________________ Johnny Johnson Cleveland, GA mailto:jjohnso4@alltel.net ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 04:14:27 2008 Received: (qmail 21608 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 02:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 02:14:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DEFCC3D56; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:14:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:14:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC9DC3F65 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:14:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB92431407E for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A7031402A for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48D067F7.4040500@interisland.net> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:14:15 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080916-0, 09/16/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 04:14:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0680383311823421471 > > ...Probably about a week plus or minus. We are not on a specific schedule. > > Chuck Norcutt Too bad. You just missed our one week of summer. Mike (only half kidding) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 04:21:52 2008 Received: (qmail 23276 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 02:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 02:21:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A286FC3FE6; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:21:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:21:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1A2C4036 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:21:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so28005638gxk.17 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:21:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=DXDvjzXgLMMOkR1mMOAwa0mL+oIWy0jAU+KTMH5S88Y=; b=pdnXZe2opGtt4DvSwgY6+vs+qG5JIegRNH7bY/0nA5j6LyBAZKXGSpe+Pj98WGzAla z6yw6EpKoab9mCrIcopiEutqDYyM6YJPkrFDzdrZkBlDngdl9qBgEwv0lhBP6QvZVVVK QZ1bHOjQSExQ6uG4xVfF57tC3nkzfq/fjeOso= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=j1B9YD4CbZMwFzatJHwCrYtw21tt99780pNW3LWvFSW7rnbtTRjFwHcW6jQvHYrEB7 C4gbeIe4MPy0dYVQxZu9nV7HU6heSDaBLRle/LMh3eW5ck8jf0xyPBlci3JQ/S/wIf/7 PGx9o006Gzr9jhL5CPKF2h1hWKQ72OKLjskeM= Received: by 10.90.36.16 with SMTP id j16mr2498605agj.87.1221618099404; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:21:39 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Canonisation In-Reply-To: <48D02305.5080002@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48D02305.5080002@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bd3ef3989bfb4d0c X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 04:21:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d069c0185071823421471 Moose wrote: >Oy! The silver snouted one praising an image from a - gasp - 5D? Well, even blind squirrels (canon users) find nuts (good photographs) once in a while. :) Seriously, I think that what I see is a photograph which is composed like somebody who has OM experience. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 04:41:12 2008 Received: (qmail 19269 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 02:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 02:41:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EB6C30A2; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:40:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:40:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B400C4006 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:39:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14327 invoked by uid 502); 17 Sep 2008 02:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.207.160) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Sep 2008 02:39:27 -0000 Message-ID: <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:39:23 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 04:41:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d06e4840931234514069 Jim Nichols wrote: > Andrew, > > Your comment challenged me to do some crude research. On my scales, I get > the following: > > E-510 Camera Body, 21 ounces > > Zuiko 14-54 Zoom Lens, 17 ounces > > Takumar 200mm, f/4 lens, 21 ounces > Well there's your problem! The Zuiko 200/4 is only 18 ounces. An old Nikkor-Q Auto 1:4 f=20cm is also 21 ounces. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 04:45:54 2008 Received: (qmail 10435 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 02:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 02:45:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7343C377A; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:45:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:45:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FD0C2C16 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:44:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17553 invoked by uid 502); 17 Sep 2008 02:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.183.228) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Sep 2008 02:44:02 -0000 Message-ID: <48D06EE5.1010906@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:43:49 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Canonisation References: <48D02305.5080002@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 04:45:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d06f62225201744846740 Ken Norton wrote: > Moose wrote: > >> Oy! The silver snouted one praising an image from a - gasp - 5D? >> > > Well, even blind squirrels (canon users) find nuts (good photographs) once > in a while. > > :) > Ah, that explains it. Thanks. If I just take more pictures, will I up my odds of finally stumbling across a good one? > Seriously, I think that what I see is a photograph which is composed like somebody who has OM experience. > Looks to me like a shot taken by someone with a good eye for composition, regardless of what camera(s) he used to or currently uses. But I may be prejudiced by the many excellent compositions with which he has blessed us. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 04:55:08 2008 Received: (qmail 8948 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 02:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 02:55:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C35C286D; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:54:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:54:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [207.115.11.54]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527F4C28D0 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:54:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080917025454H04009da5ae>; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:54:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <3A0984A6ABAB47CB849B205FD062D4E6@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:55:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 04:55:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0718c25961591313764 Wouldn't complain at all if I had the Zuiko 200/4, but the Takumar is paid for. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Andrew, >> >> Your comment challenged me to do some crude research. On my scales, I >> get >> the following: >> >> E-510 Camera Body, 21 ounces >> >> Zuiko 14-54 Zoom Lens, 17 ounces >> >> Takumar 200mm, f/4 lens, 21 ounces >> > Well there's your problem! The Zuiko 200/4 is only 18 ounces. > > An old Nikkor-Q Auto 1:4 f=20cm is also 21 ounces. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 05:01:32 2008 Received: (qmail 18052 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 03:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 03:01:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E5DC31C7; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:01:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:01:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D06C3187 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:01:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AE413530CA for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:00:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rTdakHYpbQo2 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD4F13530B0 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3FF83425-3B9E-4A60-B817-905EC7824C22@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080917013624.E0E75C317D@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:00:18 -0700 References: <20080917013624.E0E75C317D@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 05:01:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0730c28281499373980 > From: "Tom Fenwick" > > It *IS* a nice trip. I did it last year, and I firmly intend to do > it again > some time if I can swing another invite :-) Any time, Tom. We have a new place to show you! :::: Production from local resources for local needs is the most rational way of economic life. -- EF Schumacher :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org:::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 05:10:04 2008 Received: (qmail 12110 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 03:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 03:10:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6C4C2F84; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:09:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:09:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFECC2A93 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:09:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7158613541F5 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:09:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o6k68YttLc92 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F73813541DF for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <58566987-86A8-4593-85EA-205BB60789C2@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080917013624.E0E75C317D@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:09:27 -0700 References: <20080917013624.E0E75C317D@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 05:10:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0750c117371342116753 > From: Thomas Heide Clausen > > We've had some issues with the list server, and the provider is all- > but-able to get things running correctly. As a consequence, we are > and have been suffering some difficulties with long delays and the > occasional lost message. > > In short: unsatisfactory performance. > > I am currently evaluating a couple of alternatives for hosting the > list at places where I can obtain a SLA, and as soon as I have > identified a suitable place, the list shall move location. Of course, > due notice shall be given and I shall do my utmost to ensure that the > transition be as smooth as possible. I'd be willing to host the list. I'm running about a dozen low-volume lists and websites at the moment. http://www.Bytesmiths.com/Services :::: She asked me if I wanted some super sex and I said, "I'll take the soup." -- Garrison Keilor :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 05:19:57 2008 Received: (qmail 18685 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 03:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 03:19:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797E2C3331; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:19:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:19:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.threshinc.com (mail.threshinc.com [209.189.206.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054A5C32C8 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:19:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from figaro.threshinc.com (unknown [209.189.223.38]) by mail.threshinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2387D39C6D0 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20080916200659.00c52138@mail.threshinc.com> X-Sender: pklein@threshinc.com@mail.threshinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:19:44 -0700 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Peter Klein Subject: [OM] IMG: Madonna and Child Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pklein@threshinc.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 05:19:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0775d191751993019900 Forgive me if I'm a wee bit pleased with myself on this one: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/L1004383RitaAnya-w.jpg.html From a first birthday party for the little girl. The family is Armenian, so the food was just amazing, as was the warmth and hospitality. I shot the party as a gift to the parents. OT equipment of the rangefinder persuasion. --Peter ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 05:54:49 2008 Received: (qmail 3863 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 03:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 03:54:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CFDC3F44; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:54:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:54:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B64C304E for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:53:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25437 invoked by uid 502); 17 Sep 2008 03:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.2.235) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Sep 2008 03:53:55 -0000 Message-ID: <48D07F4F.6050603@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:53:51 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? References: <48CD8906.7040003@gmail.com> <48CDF142.9020902@gmail.com> <48CF851E.2040602@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 05:54:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d07f89220702046811720 Ken Norton wrote: > Moose thus grazed: > >> I have no particular objection to such posts on the list. They are more >> photography related than many other subjects. As a matter of freedom of >> expression and religion, Luddism should be able to have its say. I do >> believe, however that they should stand on their own, not as replies to >> other posts. >> > As you'd expect, I'm going to choke a little on your terminology. OH, I know. I told you I was less than perfect. Between the lack of a better simple term and the impish desire to needle a bit ... I strayed. Wosre than that, I don't even wish I had been a good boy. :-) > Per the common definition, a luddite is someone who is opposed to technological progress and technological change. Yeah, I know. The original Luddites were opposed to specific change, the introduction of large, mechanized looms. Their opposition to this "progress" was not general but very specific, based on their rational fears of loss of jobs and income. They did, in fact break into factory buildings and smash looms and clashed with the army. You haven't smashed any 5Ds yet, have you? > I am NOT espousing opposition to either. What I am saying is that not all technological change is technological progress. Viewfinders, for example, are a posterchild of technological regression. > I know, but I didn't have a useful label for that position at hand. And we do actually differ in our personal experiences and opinions. I tend simply not to notice many (D)SLR viewfinder deficiencies. Sure, I see them when I do side by side comparisons, but once I have the camera to my eye taking pictures, I just don't notice. I was perfectly happy using the 300D, which is apparently terrible. And on the other hand, I personally find the twist and tilt LCD on my A650 to be superior to any non SLR viewfinder I've ever used. So no poster here. You want a poor viewfinder, check out some vintage folders. Oh yeah, and pre penta prism 35mm SLRs. My dad's old Praktiflex is just impossible. The optics and mirror are clean, but I can hardly see to frame, let alone focus. > A lot of my opposition is financially based. I'll admit it. If I could go out and buy a "new shiny" every six months like some people, I'm sure I would. And I'd look back at the "good old days" of using the Olympus OM system and think "oh, how quaint". > As usual, you exaggerate a bit for effect. I don't see that kind of churn on the list. Where a listee does change quickly, it seems to me to usually be due to poor experience with the first "new, shiny". Yeah, there are some crazy gear hounds on the FM ofrums, but are they representative, or just a small club of crazies? As for me, I'll admit it was only two years from 300D to 5D, but the 300D was a conscious inexpensive toe in the waters of DSLRs, with the clear intent to move up if it was successful. I still use it occasionally and it's in the travel kit as back-up to the 5D. And the F10 to F30 time frame was shortish. I wanted manual controls sooo badly ... and Carol Anne was interested in a camera for herself. I managed a similar trick with the A710 to A650 move, selling the A710 to my brother. OK, maybe that's another way in which I'm baaaad. Guess I don't care, ha ha, hee hee. The 5D is 2 1/3 years old now (Wow, it doesn't seem that long, I'm still enamored.). With the time lag for full reviews and lots of samples to be available, prices to settle down and for me to mull over all the possibilities endlessly, likely it will have been three years before I may replace the 300D with 40D, 50D or 5D MkII. > >> think, chose your rant to allow me one of my own on subjects dear to my own heart. >> > So tell me, the fact I have long hair--is that a good thing or a bad thing? > Just a thing. > >> As do I sometimes in this and other areas. I always get a twinge when I run across my dad's old K&E Log Log Duplex slide rule. It's a beautiful piece of design and craftsmanship. >> > > The one thing that a slide rule is superior about is the ability to illustrate "relationship" of numbers. How do two calculations relate to each other. Also, it is possible to reduce human error because you know through experience when something is not looking right. With a calculator, one mispressed button will give you the wrong answer, but without that visual cue of something being amiss, you'll accept the wrong answer as gospel. Depends in my experience on who the "you" is. One of my kids fit fit your description when learning math. The second was able to understand and use my teaching about making reasonable estimates in ones head to avoid silly errors. > Some of us are "visual" in our mind's eye. When calculating numbers in my head, I actually visualize my own variation of a slide rule. I don't do that. I either make or simply have available some sort of expectations of a reasonable answer and question the calculations if the results aren't in that ballpark. sometimes the detailed calculations are right anyway, but still, I mostly miss silly errors - but not always. > Unfortunately, over time, the numbers get worn off. :( > Ah yes. I"m not sure how much I've lost capability. I think mostly I've lost interest. I used to do some outrageously complex financial analysis. Now I'll skip anything that takes more than a few minutes if it only potentially costs a couple of bucks. > Ah, you don't think I'm giving up on the OM-2S that easily, eh? No, but I don't fish, so this is one way of watching a big one rise to the bait. ;-) > Nah, it is still chugging away and still getting used. There are certain circumstances where I find it to be THE superior camera. The live spot-meter is one such feature as well as the ability to so quickly flip back and forth between auto and a preset manual exposure. The OM-2S is an OM-2n with two features I find most valuable to me: Mirrorbox metering and the spot-meter. > An OM-2n was my primary camera for many years. I still have it and it still worked last time I checked. But I prefer the OM-4. At hart, I'm more an Aperture preferred shooter than manual. I'm perfectly happy with using an OM-1 form a metering standpoint, but given the choice on other cameras, I'm usually in A mode. I know I "should" use spot metering all the time to prove what a serious, macho photographer I am, but I mostly don't except in really tough lighting. I did use it all the time with the F10. Lacking anything but full Auto exposure and with ISO in a menu not on a button like the F30, I learned to move teh spot to get the exposure I wanted, lock it re-frame and shoot. Amazingly quick and accurate with a little practice. > However, the control interface remains elegantly simple. I think the OM-2S is the better "handheld" camera, whereas the OM-4T is the better "precision photography" camera. But the differences really are nuances and not major design shifts. Little nits. Both very competent, I'm sure. > Next weekend, I've got a huge wedding to photograph and it is going to be photographed both digitally and on B&W film. Most likely I'll use both OMs--one with the 100/2.8 and the other with the 24/2.8 or 35/2.8. > Of course, the E-1 will hold down digital duties. I know, I know--you can use that 5D and accomplish everything with one camera and one lens. :) > Not me, mate. If you follow my all too numerous posts, you may notice that almost all my references to what the 5D can and can't do are directly based in personal experience. I understand that others find the 5D a great event camera, but I'll make no such claims beyond my own experience. I posted and discussed the results of my venture into shooting a graduation in a dim hall and the use of long range, manual flash. I know perfectly well that doesn't translate into wedding work. You know what you are doing there, and I emphatically don't. > Someday, when I forever swear off film, I'll join you in that mantra. > Find someone chanting it - and join them. > >> But I can't nail a bird in flight with any of them, while even many lowly, early models of AF cameras do it with ease. >> > > I agree. I much prefer photographing birds with my E-1's AF. Hmmm. Oh, wait. I'm still using manual-focus telephotos. Oops. ;) Point well taken, though. > LOL > >> All a matter of perspective and experience. I've never liked rangefinders much, for various reasons... >> > > Me neither. However, there are occasional circumstances where I long for certain capabilities of the rangefinder cameras. Nighttime photography comes to mind. Focusing on stars is a pain with an SLR, but with a rangefinder it's easy to find a celestial object bright enough to line the two dots up with. > Simple enough with an old. MF prime, where infinity focus it where it stops at the end. :-) > >> The 5D with the aux IR light of the 540EZ can focus at 40 feet with no other illumination at all. >> > > The quickest AF in available-darkness conditions I've ever encountered is my IS-3 with G40. It casts a nifty barcode like pattern and the AF just absolutely nails it. Zip-click. That's much like the 5D with 540EZ. The dim (to our eyes) red pattern is more grid than bar code. The focus speed is like in bright light. > That's all there is. A buddy of mine has the latest/greatest Canon gear and even he is amazed at how quick the IS-3 is in that specific condition. He should try an auxiliary IR focus aid. Oddly enough, the stand alone one Canon sells is lower range and much more expensive than a used 540EZ. Manyany folks had 540EZs, went digital and foud that they don't do auto/ttl with the DSLRs. So there are lots around cheap. As Chuck has been known to point out, they work great in manual mode for flash, as well as IR focusing aids. After all, after you've focused on something in the dark, you may want to illuminate it for the picture. > Speaking of AF, I really like AF in weddings during the processional and recessional. One gets really spoiled not having to count pews. > That's tough to get right. I remember the photog at my first wedding almost duckwalking backward in front of my bride and I, firing away with Rollei and potato masher flash. He got the shots, though. I don't have the wife anymore, but still have the album. > >> However, I don't see what most of this has to do with the original >> question of relative focus accuracy with the two systems. I guess we'll >> just have to get someone to loan a Leica or two, get together, and run >> some tests. ;-) >> > On this, we agree!!!!! > I haven't heard any loan offers - yet. :-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 05:59:33 2008 Received: (qmail 28903 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 03:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 03:59:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1240EC27C0; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:59:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:59:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77356C2824 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:59:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28092 invoked by uid 502); 17 Sep 2008 03:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.2.235) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Sep 2008 03:59:19 -0000 Message-ID: <48D08093.10901@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:59:15 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Madonna and Child References: <5.1.0.14.2.20080916200659.00c52138@mail.threshinc.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20080916200659.00c52138@mail.threshinc.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 05:59:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d080a539611342116753 Peter Klein wrote: > Forgive me if I'm a wee bit pleased with myself on this one: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/L1004383RitaAnya-w.jpg.html > Just exquisite! > From a first birthday party for the little girl. The family is Armenian, so the food was just amazing, as was the warmth and hospitality. The last time I regretted that squeamishness and lack of how to knowledge kept me from visiting a bathroom to make room for more food was at the home of some Armenians. An apparently unending supply of absolutely wonderful food. > I shot the party as a gift to the parents. > Such a good fellow! > OT equipment of the rangefinder persuasion. > Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 06:03:36 2008 Received: (qmail 4444 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 04:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 04:03:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438F0C27A0; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:03:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:03:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7ECC2937 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:03:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31938 invoked by uid 502); 17 Sep 2008 04:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.0.33) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Sep 2008 04:03:22 -0000 Message-ID: <48D0817C.7050209@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:03:08 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff References: <20080917013624.E0E75C317D@ml.free.fr> <58566987-86A8-4593-85EA-205BB60789C2@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <58566987-86A8-4593-85EA-205BB60789C2@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 06:03:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d08198194562336821329 Jan Steinman wrote: > > I'd be willing to host the list. I'm running about a dozen low-volume > lists and websites at the moment. > http://www.Bytesmiths.com/Services > Yet another of those parts! > > :::: She asked me if I wanted some super sex and I said, "I'll take the soup." -- Garrison Keilor :::: > :::: I love a good soup, but oh, you kid! - Moose :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 06:07:18 2008 Received: (qmail 13414 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 04:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 04:07:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDD2C33EA; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:07:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:07:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A20C33E5 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:07:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1979 invoked by uid 502); 17 Sep 2008 04:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.0.33) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Sep 2008 04:07:03 -0000 Message-ID: <48D08263.8060300@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:06:59 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <3A0984A6ABAB47CB849B205FD062D4E6@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <3A0984A6ABAB47CB849B205FD062D4E6@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 06:07:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d08276247731035110158 Jim Nichols wrote: > Wouldn't complain at all if I had the Zuiko 200/4, but the Takumar is paid for. > As is this Zuiko. What did I use it for recently? Ah, I remember, on an OM-1, sans bag-o-shot, fuzzies even on CF tripod with wetware damping. Not enough ISO/light for hand held. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 06:24:57 2008 Received: (qmail 26939 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 04:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 04:24:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA545C27F5; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:24:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:24:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F0FC33E3 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:24:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4709B05E3 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:24:37 +1000 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3yW3wKD4StLs for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:24:34 +1000 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF525B05F8 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:24:34 +1000 (EST) Received: from [17.86.55.227] by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kfoam-0004Id-Ot for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:24:40 +1000 Message-Id: <589C27C6-A392-4B86-90EE-DC8788AC97B3@wildskies.net> From: Brent To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48D08263.8060300@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] 5D MK II Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:24:37 +1000 References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <3A0984A6ABAB47CB849B205FD062D4E6@jimnichols> <48D08263.8060300@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brutherford@wildskies.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 06:24:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0869979931342116753 5D MK II Mmmmmm.... http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=17662#ModelDetailAct ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 06:59:32 2008 Received: (qmail 4855 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 04:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 04:59:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6154C3F96; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:59:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:59:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3592CC3EDB for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:59:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 8882 invoked by uid 518); 17 Sep 2008 04:59:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20080917045916.8881.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:59:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 24.72.202.10 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 06:59:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d08eb321641585427447 Have you considered buying something like this? I just bought a refurbished one directly from Epson for $350 shipping included. When it arrived I discovered that a small plastic film height adjuster was missing from the 35mm slide holder. I called Epson and they were unable to supply just the film height adjuster and sent me a complete slide holder instead. They also gave me the names of several third party Epson parts sellers they use as distributors. At the first company I tried (can't remember the name right now) I found a complete exploded parts diagram for the Epson V700. I found the film height adjusters for 25 cents each so ordered 10 (they're small and easy to lose). That put my other slide holder back into commission so I also ordered another negative holder for the grand sum of 10 or 12 dollars. I didn't have a chance to even try scanning any film before I left on my trip but everything has gone fairly well so far. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Walters, Martin > Subject: [OM] Coolscan V ED discontinued > Sent: Sep 16 '08 17:30 > > > I've been mulling over buying one of these scanners. Not seriously, yet, > but thinking about it.   Anyway, this model is listed on Nikon Japan > site as discontinued. It's still listed as a current model on Nikon > Canada's site; however, a phone call indicated that it is, indeed, > discontinued.  This may be old news to some on the list.  If that isn't > bad enough, Nikon Canada adamantly refuses to honour warranties or > service in anyway machines not purchased through NC agents.  Which sort > of rules out the USA as an alternative supply (Cameta and others have > them regularly on Eb*y). > > Martin > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 07:24:20 2008 Received: (qmail 19328 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 05:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 05:24:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17753C2F3D; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:24:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:24:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E93C2D05 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:24:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015ACC96CF for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:40:30 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <83442BA0-88F9-42CD-8F23-EE0CF7F067CA@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Compensatory Olympus Photos Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:24:08 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 07:24:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0948444781234514069 Nice photos, Tom, and good effort with the weight loss! Chris On 16 Sep 2008, at 22:06, Tom Fenwick wrote: > I'm still using the E-3 as well. I've been on a diet for some > weeks, but I > only just started photographing my breakfast - better late than never: > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/breakfast > > Ditched 24 pounds in three months by eating these and then nothing > until > supper except unlimited skinny lattes. Feels good, and they're pretty > photogenic. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 07:28:21 2008 Received: (qmail 21189 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 05:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 05:28:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC93C4394; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:28:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:28:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6366BC3FE2 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:26:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A461AC96D8 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:42:59 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <14798279-BE00-4D0C-8030-552745B7D278@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48D03FDA.9070403@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Compensatory Olympus Photos Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:26:36 +0100 References: <48D03FDA.9070403@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 07:28:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d09575106101470116606 'Cos you're meant to start your metabolism with a decent meal in the morning and tail off towards bedtime, Moose. I have taken to eating more nuts with my muesli so as to avoid feeling hungry at midday. This would lose me weight but for the easy availability of chocolate at work (or what the British confectionery industry calls chocolate, anyway). Chris On 17 Sep 2008, at 00:23, Moose wrote: > Nice series. It all looks good except for the dry flakes. > > I virtually never eat breakfast, so why am I so far from sylphlike? > > I suppose it may have something to do with the late night cookie? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 08:18:54 2008 Received: (qmail 16945 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 06:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 06:18:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BAFC3AD0; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:18:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:18:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBADC406F for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:18:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so1749830nfi.19 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:18:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :mime-version:subject:date:references; bh=Jn8+yWEu+d5BuybB48m7wBBS0/jRToRmnwgspiOKeaU=; b=TbZmEdMYSxZB4wn4HdQZyUuneR1gQwW9rbWcUbK5GT24BvGAECKnCfy3Jt6QmH2Ee2 TDbprE3Sll2s+YZ4SZNw1/fxuKg8UxdbkDjloCiCJgxtZJIp1ysDML8svty3MWLmQQaS 3h+tTQcC2AGQVgYOYEGL7h/jMGDlp+nL4FPsQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:mime-version:subject:date :references; b=wR34zClFXnGd+Y2H9K5II27W2y3cailOCWdbInVK1UDuL3jD+6dJQgK1xRQ9TfL39I lQw7LzJKaL3I1FmN/qzkSX5WgbNpxVwI2hZWiPhtNnpO2hiBkwTN+rIxyLBp7ikyevTQ 0XoUHiQsN2eIo0Ou2ClBjEBh6B732eZGMYDv8= Received: by 10.210.44.1 with SMTP id r1mr2612330ebr.91.1221632320669; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.44.181.148? ( [82.132.136.195]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4sm35187489nfi.13.2008.09.16.23.18.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: My Gmail To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5C1) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5C1) Subject: [OM] Re: Canonisation Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:21:49 +0100 References: <48D02305.5080002@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 08:18:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0a14e250421470116606 On 17 Sep 2008, at 03:21, "Ken Norton" wrote: > Well, even blind squirrels (canon users) find nuts (good photographs) Don't I know it! > Seriously, I think that what I see is a photograph which is composed > like > somebody who has OM experience This is the thing-despite the fact that it's a great fat monster it's more like an OM than the oly digis simply because of the finder and the imaging characteristics. I really can't wait to get the zuikos on it. Tom > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 08:42:54 2008 Received: (qmail 3822 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 06:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 06:42:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88321C2B91; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:42:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:42:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B92B5C3148 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:42:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 20078 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 06:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.180.144) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 06:42:28 -0000 In-Reply-To: <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:42:35 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 08:42:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0a6ee244938512572685 Sorry, couldn't resist. Just been playing with the Nikon 400mm f2.8 which weighs 4.6kg, more with the big bucket two piece hood on the front - the D700 on the back felt very flimsy. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 17/09/2008, at 9:50 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Your comment challenged me to do some crude research. On my > scales, I get > the following: > > E-510 Camera Body, 21 ounces > > Zuiko 14-54 Zoom Lens, 17 ounces > > Takumar 200mm, f/4 lens, 21 ounces > > If the camera mounting ring won't handle an additional 4 ounces in > a lens > that is slightly longer than the Zuiko zoom, then how does it > handle the > much longer FL Zuiko zooms? > > An inquiring mind wants to know! :-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 08:47:27 2008 Received: (qmail 12052 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 06:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 06:47:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEAFC2DB0; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:47:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:47:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 5797AC3482 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:47:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21989 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 06:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.180.144) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 06:47:01 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <9735EDFF-366E-4A0F-9077-75784447A918@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:47:08 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 08:47:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0a7ff219501234514069 Ounces? How antediluvian. The only thing that comes in ounces around here is weed (I understand, from students, not that I would know, y'know...) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 17/09/2008, at 12:39 PM, Moose wrote: > Well there's your problem! The Zuiko 200/4 is only 18 ounces. > > An old Nikkor-Q Auto 1:4 f=20cm is also 21 ounces. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 08:51:53 2008 Received: (qmail 20848 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 06:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 06:51:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAA1C2D46; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:51:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:51:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 1BF85C3572 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:51:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23554 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 06:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.180.144) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 06:51:28 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <589C27C6-A392-4B86-90EE-DC8788AC97B3@wildskies.net> References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <3A0984A6ABAB47CB849B205FD062D4E6@jimnichols> <48D08263.8060300@gmail.com> <589C27C6-A392-4B86-90EE-DC8788AC97B3@wildskies.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <72324BC8-AF08-4F8F-9F56-D371087C181A@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: 5D MK II Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:51:35 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 08:51:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0a909252391946193717 Shit...new battery. Dya know how many BP 511's I've got. Different booster pack too. Bastards. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 17/09/2008, at 2:24 PM, Brent wrote: > > 5D MK II > > Mmmmmm.... > > http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller? > act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=17662#ModelDetailAct > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 11:09:39 2008 Received: (qmail 17812 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 09:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 09:09:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE821C3631; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:09:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:09:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79576C472F for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:58:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12477 invoked by uid 502); 17 Sep 2008 08:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.167.146) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Sep 2008 08:57:59 -0000 Message-ID: <48D0C692.1040403@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:57:54 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <9735EDFF-366E-4A0F-9077-75784447A918@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <9735EDFF-366E-4A0F-9077-75784447A918@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 11:09:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0c95370951946193717 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Ounces? How antediluvian. > Tell that to the one who started the thread. When I respond to posts from you and many others, I say colour, organise, etc. and work in metric units - at least I try. When I respond to a thread quoting weights in ounces, I respond in ounces. I even know that pounds and ounces are measures of force, while grams are a measure of mass, but I don't let get in the way of ordinary usages. Personally, while I can work with it, I think the metric system is a silly, completely unintuitive system inherited from a foolish effort to reduce human communication and commerce to inhuman abstracts based on some inaccurate measurements. An unfortunate leftover from the height of the age of reductionism. But hey, that's just me. Sure, the so called "English" system of weights and measures is illogical. So are people, and I like 'em that way. Moose PS: Does it seem like the Moose has a burr under his saddle that last couple of days? I wonder what that's about. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 11:10:39 2008 Received: (qmail 30086 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 09:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 09:10:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7C5C4130; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:10:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:10:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967D6C434E for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:06:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18472 invoked by uid 502); 17 Sep 2008 09:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.177.159) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Sep 2008 09:06:36 -0000 Message-ID: <48D0C88D.7070204@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:06:21 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 5D MK II References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <3A0984A6ABAB47CB849B205FD062D4E6@jimnichols> <48D08263.8060300@gmail.com> <589C27C6-A392-4B86-90EE-DC8788AC97B3@wildskies.net> <72324BC8-AF08-4F8F-9F56-D371087C181A@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <72324BC8-AF08-4F8F-9F56-D371087C181A@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 11:10:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0c98f14985368819438 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Shit...new battery. Dya know how many BP 511's I've got. Different booster pack too. Bastards. > Yeah, my thought as well, when I read the specs. I suppose, as with the xxxD series and 50D, they felt the need for more capacity for live view. Unfortunate. I can just see myself one day with 450D, 5D and 5D MkII - three different batteries. One of the reasons I stayed away from the 350D and 400D as 300D replacements was the different battery. Maybe the 5D MkII will at least use the same battery as the 50D. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 11:25:03 2008 Received: (qmail 16447 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 09:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 09:25:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668E8C2DEC; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:24:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:24:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C3EC2DD5 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:24:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31715 invoked by uid 502); 17 Sep 2008 09:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.164.176) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Sep 2008 09:24:50 -0000 Message-ID: <48D0CCD3.3040607@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:24:35 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Compensatory Olympus Photos References: <48D03FDA.9070403@gmail.com> <14798279-BE00-4D0C-8030-552745B7D278@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <14798279-BE00-4D0C-8030-552745B7D278@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 11:25:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0ccef40322336821329 Chris Barker wrote: > 'Cos you're meant to start your metabolism with a decent meal in the morning and tail off towards bedtime, Moose. I have taken to eating more nuts with my muesli so as to avoid feeling hungry at midday. > OK, I was fudging a bit for effect. I keep what some might call odd hours. I sleep about eight hours, starting at somewhere between 2 and 4 am. I actually do have a decent meal shortly after arising, it just happens to be near midday and most often resembles lunch in content. Remember, I posted Moose Makes a Sandwich long before Tom's breakfast images. :-) Actually, that's pretty close to what I had for Breakfast/Lunch today - well, technically, yesterday. Only with Black Forest organic, yet tasty, ham. The day before was an excellent chicken salad. I think today may well be roast beef. I like my own sandwiches better than those at most restaurants. At least in the US, they seem to think they have to provide massive amounts of the main filling. It throws off the whole balance of flavors and textures. Aren't you sorry you tried to help? :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 11:25:50 2008 Received: (qmail 3393 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 09:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 09:25:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73725C2D22; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:25:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:25:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id EE003C2E10 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:25:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19505 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 09:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.180.144) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 09:25:24 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48D0C692.1040403@gmail.com> References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <9735EDFF-366E-4A0F-9077-75784447A918@people.net.au> <48D0C692.1040403@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:25:31 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 11:25:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0cd1e94597927319144 Jeez mate - business as usual! :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 17/09/2008, at 6:57 PM, Moose wrote: > PS: Does it seem like the Moose has a burr under his saddle that last > couple of days? I wonder what that's about. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 11:40:34 2008 Received: (qmail 17358 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 09:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 09:40:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F229C2E82; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:40:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:40:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498BAC31C1 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:40:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so1288920eyd.5 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:40:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=sSPni2wDZvpPa+hrLqTSbwtLkH7vV8z6uB+6WvFUG54=; b=PBOUmd9/gXzQKeQPk8N9Bl9vq34gQfwslYVARBgS6xuh9QQtcesXiycQMe/Q37Ou8s zq5g8ak5CwlPuAiSYLRshgixHoAllcVKlKKNZSoqZ/FOU0D593vKwXyZdmqF/5Mf7exy r3G8ukg3iZ650wB1JCnZhgnZ+Ld99/uiio7as= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=uWb3Bo3lZbwd+Iw/RETOJuonJRifY76uGBB2Ph/ew5dltX9iy7j+QZZBDHOUkkPrE5 m3uOK4YiQimqApW3SgoJJBQkI+HCdDWsx6L0Cw5L+ymH+qKCmA+MFTC94PFYiCKfXs8E VA0BwVlYPlGyYUCzqCbDKC/WOhUd2VPHSfdms= Received: by 10.210.68.17 with SMTP id q17mr205473eba.162.1221644423141; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:40:23 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Compensatory Olympus Photos In-Reply-To: <48D0CCD3.3040607@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48D03FDA.9070403@gmail.com> <14798279-BE00-4D0C-8030-552745B7D278@threeshoes.net> <48D0CCD3.3040607@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 11:40:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0d092155111946193717 Fine looking sandwich... Perhaps I will have to allow a small lunch today now... This is a whole new form of enablerism. Tom 2008/9/17 Moose > Chris Barker wrote: > > 'Cos you're meant to start your metabolism with a decent meal in the > morning and tail off towards bedtime, Moose. I have taken to eating more > nuts with my muesli so as to avoid feeling hungry at midday. > > > OK, I was fudging a bit for effect. I keep what some might call odd > hours. I sleep about eight hours, starting at somewhere between 2 and 4 > am. I actually do have a decent meal shortly after arising, it just > happens to be near midday and most often resembles lunch in content. > > Remember, I posted Moose Makes a Sandwich long before Tom's breakfast > images. :-) > > Actually, that's pretty close to what I had for Breakfast/Lunch today - > well, technically, yesterday. Only with Black Forest organic, yet tasty, > ham. The day before was an excellent chicken salad. I think today may > well be roast beef. > > I like my own sandwiches better than those at most restaurants. At least > in the US, they seem to think they have to provide massive amounts of > the main filling. It throws off the whole balance of flavors and textures. > > Aren't you sorry you tried to help? :-) > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 12:22:56 2008 Received: (qmail 32594 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 10:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 10:22:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED485C38DA; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:22:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:22:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B1FC3880 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:22:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so2548202pye.31 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:22:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oy0LsojokGDHTDaGPOHOEWxjcEDPOFf57rUl0ex3ajw=; b=glAzMXfxLS9jdQAq8n91pJ08+0RM3qpXGG0t3hGNMMpN2Bi+J9J2KLO3oN1rFHo9ya 6gB2t9pl4iOjn2GC4R7dbW3kOX0aB0zMTXBLEMms0nnvr/5L7EWmwfRuAFdxwnntQUzU eraHpd34it57kWbZPnVnzj2jB5Kioga4Exgvo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ArWWughB+U4la6Js/Tb36yheIjJpY/W2TJAH4XkTPX5wC/Wo/dqbKuBvlNfcI936gH yG5D1j3rYYVJr1lVIXNNnZbIzhUXu84KEYa/S9Y+E+QuSdWtrQJMzSTLd/h72BAGtCEI A7k5ErXxNqeLdLXnygJ09XapA8VjI0+5c1JL0= Received: by 10.142.162.5 with SMTP id k5mr783928wfe.260.1221646963665; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.39.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm1079592wfg.13.2008.09.17.03.22.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48D0DA6D.2050100@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:22:37 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 5D MK II References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <3A0984A6ABAB47CB849B205FD062D4E6@jimnichols> <48D08263.8060300@gmail.com> <589C27C6-A392-4B86-90EE-DC8788AC97B3@wildskies.net> <72324BC8-AF08-4F8F-9F56-D371087C181A@people.net.au> <48D0C88D.7070204@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48D0C88D.7070204@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 12:22:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0da8066351823421471 Moose wrote: > ... > Maybe the 5D MkII will at least use the same battery as the 50D. The 50D still uses the BP-511A. The 5D Mark II apparently uses a "Lithium Ion LP-E6". Marc is still deciding which batteries to buy. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 14:02:24 2008 Received: (qmail 17994 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 12:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 12:02:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBF5C34DC; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:02:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:02:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E81C2B94 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:02:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7C00BDN9F7H8NG@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:01:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:02:05 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] another day, no mail? To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-id: <48D0F1BD.5020402@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 14:02:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0f1d0221171035110158 another server hiccup? Nothing since 9/16, Tom Fenwick, 7:38am. :-( ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 14:08:26 2008 Received: (qmail 6015 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 12:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 12:08:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F211C3A7C; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:07:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:07:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C35C36AB for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:07:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6103.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0F2C61C00085 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:07:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wwinf6103 (wwinf6103 [172.22.153.30]) by mwinf6103.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 069301C00082 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:07:00 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080917120700270.069301C00082@mwinf6103.online.nl From: wiliam Wagenaar To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-ID: <14722808.281781221653220018.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> Subject: [OM] Re: another day, no mail? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [145.50.39.9] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:07:00 +0200 (CEST) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@online.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 14:08:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0f33a259629117217770 Your mail made it to the Netherlands. Wiliam > Datum: 17/09/08 02:02 PM > Van: "John Hermanson" > Aan: "olympus@ml.free.fr" > CC: > Onderwerp : [OM] another day, no mail? > > > another server hiccup? Nothing since 9/16, Tom Fenwick, 7:38am. :-( > > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 14:09:50 2008 Received: (qmail 25520 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 12:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 12:09:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F9BC3113; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:09:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:09:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9F6C3496 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:09:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6104.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6E2501C00085 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:09:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wwinf6103 (wwinf6103 [172.22.153.30]) by mwinf6104.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 656BC1C00081 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:09:32 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080917120932415.656BC1C00081@mwinf6104.online.nl From: wiliam Wagenaar To: olympus Message-ID: <23799948.281991221653372406.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> Subject: [OM] HK at sunset MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [145.50.39.9] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:09:32 +0200 (CEST) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@online.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 14:09:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0f38e273502046811720 Hi all, This mail is intended to test te list activity and provide you with a nice link to view. I received it from one of my contacts. >Place your mouse at the top of the photo You will notice it is >6:10 >pm. Bring the mouse down slowly over the photo. Do not right or left >click.. Night time appears, and the lights come on... At 7:40pm, its >dark! Photo Technology at its best! > http://61226.com/share/hk.swf Cheers, Wiliam ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 14:18:30 2008 Received: (qmail 27380 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 12:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 12:18:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914B0C2907; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:18:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:18:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CE3C2835 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:18:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kfvz8-0002tC-2V for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:18:18 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <23799948.281991221653372406.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> Subject: [OM] Re: HK at sunset Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:18:07 +0100 Message-ID: <036c01c918bf$71c5fa30$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <23799948.281991221653372406.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> thread-index: AckYvkgkzQQVArZoTDaOFrY52EzUqgAAR8xw X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080916-0, 16/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8267/Wed Sep 17 02:22:32 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 14:18:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0f59698991823421471 Neat idea! -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of wiliam Wagenaar Sent: 17 September 2008 13:10 To: olympus Subject: [OM] HK at sunset Hi all, This mail is intended to test te list activity and provide you with a nice link to view. I received it from one of my contacts. >Place your mouse at the top of the photo You will notice it is 6:10 pm. >Bring the mouse down slowly over the photo. Do not right or left >click.. Night time appears, and the lights come on... At 7:40pm, its >dark! Photo Technology at its best! > http://61226.com/share/hk.swf Cheers, Wiliam ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 14:20:33 2008 Received: (qmail 12017 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 12:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 12:20:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D30C3356; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:20:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:20:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.225]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAEEC3641 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:20:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2885527rvb.29 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:20:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=PBiXAXKpb2JfR+Euw7vMTg75IGtIN+NrwQfiWbrtq/k=; b=Y4mlhvZ6QL1HLkI7Exd2JQa3hNoMK3aStLpqLSGrnVst6iKX4T7KBlD5G4RkaHaxpd +5YjHFXAE7hxXtfscYx9C0BrTV1lZrlC1LnBMNqh5n8eRMKt7x5CtB79Tu3+qPOlG/K+ iCkp6pWpKUJJXZnieZehDyF2nMx22IZ0kHVeE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=rVrBxauhWtcIJaHlHKoF0XQxp+eWHz17WVxawNXAC4WKyzJeHN3win7RgWKdMoN5eA eyrEUVH0TXXUk7ROEoRNyeF4qbTuL4jWkwC5dgaNgxiNzxNK+G6uMm69hp2yL0+pnica u0jQRSIl2hmgeKvX6anOI7wCtcAU5rYygfgS8= Received: by 10.140.135.19 with SMTP id i19mr6473274rvd.169.1221654019594; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.153.11 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080809170520v5ad77ed1pe1746b6fd75842fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:20:19 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: HK at sunset In-Reply-To: <23799948.281991221653372406.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <23799948.281991221653372406.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 14:20:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0f611302961744846740 Will, Great job! What is the focal length of the lens you took the pictures? I think at least 300mm, right? Funny! --- Michael 2008/9/17 wiliam Wagenaar > > Hi all, > This mail is intended to test te list activity and provide you with a nice > link to view. I received it from one of my contacts. > >Place your mouse at the top of the photo You will notice it is > >6:10 > >pm. Bring the mouse down slowly over the photo. Do not right or left > >click.. Night time appears, and the lights come on... At 7:40pm, its > >dark! Photo Technology at its best! > > http://61226.com/share/hk.swf > Cheers, > > Wiliam > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 14:23:04 2008 Received: (qmail 14275 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 12:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 12:23:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885FBC2D31; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:22:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:22:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF94AC32A2 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:22:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6112.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 96D5D1C00084 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:22:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wwinf6103 (wwinf6103 [172.22.153.30]) by mwinf6112.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8A7901C00083 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:22:47 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080917122247567.8A7901C00083@mwinf6112.online.nl From: wiliam Wagenaar To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-ID: <7189893.283701221654167555.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> Subject: [OM] Re: HK at sunset MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [145.50.39.9] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:22:47 +0200 (CEST) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@online.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 14:23:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0f6a8204382046811720 Hi all, Sorry I was not clear on this. I did not take the HK photo's. I only got the link from someone i know from outside the list and wante to share how this series of photos is presented. So, I really have no idea as to what focal lengt was used and other technical questions about the series. Still like the idea though. Cheers, Wiliam > Datum: 17/09/08 02:20 PM > Van: "Michael Wong" > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > CC: > Onderwerp : [OM] Re: HK at sunset > > > Will, > Great job! What is the focal length of the lens you took the pictures? I > think at least 300mm, right? > > > Funny! > > > --- > Michael > > > > > 2008/9/17 wiliam Wagenaar > > > > > Hi all, > > This mail is intended to test te list activity and provide you with a nice > > link to view. I received it from one of my contacts. > > >Place your mouse at the top of the photo You will notice it is > > >6:10 > > >pm. Bring the mouse down slowly over the photo. Do not right or left > > >click.. Night time appears, and the lights come on... At 7:40pm, its > > >dark! Photo Technology at its best! > > > http://61226.com/share/hk.swf > > Cheers, > > > > Wiliam > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 14:36:27 2008 Received: (qmail 1405 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 12:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 12:36:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DE0C2C89; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:36:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:36:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7035BC28D8 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:36:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KfwGU-00030k-00; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:36:14 -0400 Message-ID: <48D0F9AD.9050200@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:35:57 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Cc: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: another day, no mail? References: <48D0F1BD.5020402@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48D0F1BD.5020402@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080916-0, 09/16/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 14:36:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d0f9cb264401838542571 John, I have plenty coming here, no problems on my end. BTW, you should get this twice, once through the list, and once direct to you. Jim Couch John Hermanson wrote: > another server hiccup? Nothing since 9/16, Tom Fenwick, 7:38am. :-( > > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 15:13:36 2008 Received: (qmail 1004 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 13:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 13:13:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59C9C2E7E; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:13:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:13:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D96C3697 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:13:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 692F0294N6 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:13:21 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:12:23 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48D067F7.4040500@interisland.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style thread-index: AckYax7xYdHjgfk5SsSDV2xpOh1h9AAW+B6Q From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2008 13:13:21.0577 (UTC) FILETIME=[289DF990:01C918C7] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 15:13:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d10280280211023412894 Yeah, it was a half week of Summer. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:14 PM To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Zuikofest - Iowa Style NOW Seattle Style > > ...Probably about a week plus or minus. We are not on a specific > schedule. > > Chuck Norcutt Too bad. You just missed our one week of summer. Mike (only half kidding) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 15:15:38 2008 Received: (qmail 11568 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 13:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 13:15:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85372C39A3; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:15:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:15:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtagate4.de.ibm.com (mtagate4.de.ibm.com [195.212.29.153]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E443C2CDC for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:15:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate4.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m8HDFPuR096292 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:15:25 GMT Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id m8HDFP8k3620888 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:15:25 +0200 Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m8HDFMrX032148 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:15:22 +0200 Received: from d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.166.154]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m8HDFMhD032143 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:15:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: X-Disclaimed: 3830 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Re: Compensatory Olympus Photos X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Ralf Loi X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 17/09/2008 15.15.21, Serialize by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 17/09/2008 15.15.21, Serialize complete at 17/09/2008 15.15.21, S/MIME Sign failed at 17/09/2008 15.15.21: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on D12ML401/12/M/IBM(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 17/09/2008 15:15:21, Serialize complete at 17/09/2008 15:15:21 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:15:20 +0200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ralf_loi@it.ibm.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 15:15:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d102fa136551946193717 Nice set, but with so a diet I would disappear (1.89 m tall, and less than 70 Kg) Ralf Loi ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 15:18:46 2008 Received: (qmail 16440 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 13:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 13:18:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F155C3B3C; 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Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:18:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: X-Disclaimed: 55154 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Ralf Loi X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 17/09/2008 15.18.28, Serialize by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 17/09/2008 15.18.28, Serialize complete at 17/09/2008 15.18.28, S/MIME Sign failed at 17/09/2008 15.18.28: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on D12ML401/12/M/IBM(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 17/09/2008 15:18:29, Serialize complete at 17/09/2008 15:18:29 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:18:28 +0200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ralf_loi@it.ibm.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 15:18:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d103b6310801838542571 << Outstanding scanner, the V-ED is. My only regret in getting it was not listening to my wife and getting the 5000 instead. What a fool I've been.... >> Speaking of the V, is the US version different from the Euro one? In other words, does it work on both 110/220V? Thanks Ralf Loi ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 15:20:22 2008 Received: (qmail 17447 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 13:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 13:20:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE13C2E57; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:20:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:20:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6525EC39AB for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:20:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so361198qwb.5 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:20:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :mime-version:subject:date:references; bh=LjdMFGYnpwEXtqCV7YZUZ0Ai1G5mM2q+QKw2QvwLB08=; b=eLs8NgFCSGYTYmTlRGpxaiyoeN7VsgdF5b+YJwAuZYCLI5E08aihlYBLJtumdTlh8L DU6TOxornZCj+21C39K7wq92P6oLmX6KEFTZJCcukOdM0Ij8nh3IxRhPRyzkSFi/tTJ+ VHW/fVlxjyuvVN03B/VOmxpF5RCUI7ylXNyi8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:mime-version:subject:date :references; b=ZO9W3mvhE5voVwfkRJxvyYCC4kXxmXO2kYhRVY5PU3gcpvg61IInM1LACm6DJGxwoG dw5VzqTK0bkx8G9KA9kjh6dFmI/J7iZWEzu4ix7FIU91d3xfEf5NsaalOsGWKA3SrbUI rbQT6+LbdgKHjgRpMYAGN78oe/WEaoutmguDo= Received: by 10.214.149.7 with SMTP id w7mr2337812qad.19.1221657609722; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.42.133.8? ( [82.132.136.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm12795220qwk.1.2008.09.17.06.20.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <887C10C7-D12E-4BD5-B228-7B769F24D5E4@gmail.com> From: My Gmail To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5C1) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5C1) Subject: [OM] Re: Compensatory Olympus Photos Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:23:20 +0100 References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 15:20:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d10416311961234514069 Yeah-I got to stop soon or something like that will happen to me! Sent from my iPhone On 17 Sep 2008, at 14:15, Ralf Loi wrote: > Nice set, but with so a diet I would disappear (1.89 m tall, and > less than > 70 Kg) > > Ralf Loi > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 15:23:23 2008 Received: (qmail 29991 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 13:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 13:23:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C9BC339C; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:23:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:23:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.237]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAC9C36BB for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:23:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2906590rvb.29 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:23:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=JTEwGiyVcLYvafSLP2OhKkijdAOEo5pz5CnK/vt9LtI=; b=xLT9NClJVC8YPuOMOx6MMX7q/34XYDepZcBjgZ20ozYZA5sQOHxpBIPy72/+LfGDu7 Ljj+zdOIZwDu30BmnmtVIs70C0GKzgDMgY++DxXKmOIN1T3EY6m+v+NozCkTxgzD9wpt pFcpluNncA4GTRWIJXbwXn+aI4Oc9ENdNmdo0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=wVMPn7Sb3tZi1subPqIITbhGiuu+pygdwFSEINIccBRw4SzQXoQeZR/CClmnns73OG Ezke6luGXzY4wxarc3WVFyZpP8P9ic04UNOt/3lLdGxDPYbR1/tOz5COUMughMf2UQFz YVobTXtj78lLrQXpDzdmwu7lBRJOjp+eUaK0U= Received: by 10.140.125.1 with SMTP id x1mr6485837rvc.287.1221657787416; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.163.19 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3be4f4a80809170623r3399dacco8cbdac2792f0440@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:23:07 +0200 From: "Bart Wientjes" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bartjew@googlemail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 15:23:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d104cb264291234514069 Mine is bought in Urp, it's rear says 100-240V~ 50/60 Hz Pretty universal I'd say! Bart > Speaking of the V, is the US version different from the Euro one? > In other words, does it work on both 110/220V? > Thanks > > Ralf Loi > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 15:51:12 2008 Received: (qmail 29676 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 13:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 13:51:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAD1C33C6; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:50:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:50:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtagate1.de.ibm.com (mtagate1.de.ibm.com [195.212.17.161]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B87C3541 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:50:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate1.de.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8HDosui019634 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:50:54 GMT Received: from d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.229]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id m8HDos4L1241146 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:50:54 +0200 Received: from d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m8HDooiI009356 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:50:50 +0200 Received: from d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.166.154]) by d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m8HDoo6s009337 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:50:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <3be4f4a80809170623r3399dacco8cbdac2792f0440@mail.gmail.com> X-Disclaimed: 9794 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Ralf Loi X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 17/09/2008 15.50.50, Serialize by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 17/09/2008 15.50.50, Serialize complete at 17/09/2008 15.50.50, S/MIME Sign failed at 17/09/2008 15.50.50: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on D12ML401/12/M/IBM(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 17/09/2008 15:50:49, Serialize complete at 17/09/2008 15:50:49 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:50:49 +0200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ralf_loi@it.ibm.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 15:51:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d10b50176211023412894 << Mine is bought in Urp, it's rear says 100-240V~ 50/60 Hz Pretty universal I'd say! >> So, does it come with a detachable power cord? TIA, Ralf Loi ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 16:58:22 2008 Received: (qmail 9796 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 14:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 14:58:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BCEC34EC; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:58:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:58:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.247]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B702C2F28 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:56:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 22so5772284agd.4 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:56:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=ugn999quLOCxtIpIXY+TIZzxa0RRxWaljM8FbdLyQB4=; b=G6SxAxfw2YzOVs9LxSL4Bu3T0z9j0tG0ob6QplNtg0ZQWrD6Sa48lqZmRlxkM75eV8 gACwF8ZhY/0ERKHFX8mgpwY3HGn9c7ntDbnbOV5LEj+FjWLm6edPfIktgyd+Nbj5CLX1 574CTFKrHpAWgCx2ldhTSyoBFkjnDZ4MugWNs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=h53rUVeKi2lvGy9KHqAYNY2Tlv2jFlxClzVdgPaUu3XT0RwdekL/oiWWLzbPhEtFT5 tVGKcn0i2dLIdOTHp+NrvCz2jqFznHSGnRRXnC+3XGEYGQ14NTVZOvuRjYg2F2y4nL+8 ZUqiLMoPHp9Ms9443Ylt/TxfAXbqOVnjmuwfY= Received: by 10.90.120.17 with SMTP id s17mr3414705agc.109.1221663401084; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:56:40 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Canonisation In-Reply-To: <48D06EE5.1010906@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48D02305.5080002@gmail.com> <48D06EE5.1010906@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 32d4aa7f2b341e7a X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 16:58:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d11b0e32702070262475 Moose agreed with me: >Ah, that explains it. Thanks. If I just take more pictures, will I up my >odds of finally stumbling across a good one? Less is more. >Looks to me like a shot taken by someone with a good eye for >composition, regardless of what camera(s) he used to or currently uses. >But I may be prejudiced by the many excellent compositions with which he >has blessed us. So true. His pictures are a bit more pleasing to the eye than what some of us foist upon the world. But to the point, I have found that the tool (camera, lens, film, etc) tends to show us something which guides us to a specific style of composition. That picture is one of which I would say is more in tune with the types of compositions I'm inclined to make with the OM gear, but not the digital gear. Part of it is viewfinder, but part of it is how the optics (and viewfinder) present the subject to the photographer. This concept did not originate with me, but by the late great Herbert Keppler. I can't take credit for it, except for remembering that he wrote about it in the late '70's. Back in the days when his articles had 12 "Go to Page ..." jumps. AG http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 17:00:47 2008 Received: (qmail 25200 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 15:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 15:00:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D285EC2AE6; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:00:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:00:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.243]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F248AC2921 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:00:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 22so5775459agd.4 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:00:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=9Y39TSPq5pa1owJAH1snk0cBwBTUCHqsh5ljM4Alg/c=; b=UwGQH7pIsQ5z/2mLFILGyTwReQjNMxvoyV+kBmnHnnFH6l1v8sZw2Zh0pdVTaqMCye KD5NehTr+TZO3/m8qieXLxw2Fp1blAABQXjuVC55eYM7WD8Up4Zgh72FrKQhCu0WUnoM ONB2CVMZzd0cpcbfZ66LCnIBuEzlAs4qdAQqs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ZlC6cVEEpr4v+2JaX8n7lOalhAhQKhQWIASNJS4OduG2cTQhJO4tNmv8hvxi8xKRvV 2JYpPAiEYxS7vXNfn3NvP4bDQmsH05r5kSV7d/u0SQHSk68uC0XcudrI2dhWEGyMDfUg dTKtILC7dXm2j/KgvCZckphd3CWzdDT8DrIvI= Received: by 10.90.103.3 with SMTP id a3mr3478463agc.5.1221663630281; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:00:30 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3be4f4a80809170623r3399dacco8cbdac2792f0440@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8372fd2051b5937a X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 17:00:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d11b9f50403675314703 >So, does it come with a detachable power cord? Standard IEC power cord with C13 end. Same as your computer. AG http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 17:06:09 2008 Received: (qmail 30299 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 15:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 15:06:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E26C2CAE; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:05:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:05:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.249]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D187DC33A1 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:05:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 22so5778497agd.4 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:05:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=t7wvHR1AOmB3O9LUwx5AatGSBElbqY/+6Zsfa7XnBoY=; b=cKcG0s+VojzJARZy9Px5Fhu/rthfBhjggNE7ocq2U5IqY8PdVlvYlQnM/LL5nWEhLM m2dHTnijoxEtZh+9xwqFq/ZFNuxf4hAE4evXz0m7pH72adP6us7t+V6ZKMtOtDGRi7F1 KzIg43ULt+J8bWX3rU/lhmGnrETckNq9dxMKo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kzrdiOZ9epklvfh4ysfNcELD8btFMldGr00SddkGOwsvg7BN3i61ByIa6lt4uM8z88 Oz1KRQXemsSGe1p9BMOCVnlnLEjhcxM1JC5CCVuHbdWVgB1MvFZmScCTDZ/FKQ9l68CA kgEUVMcx6eEcEJKUWtUFEdHWURyZK4pgps0FM= Received: by 10.90.49.3 with SMTP id w3mr3474045agw.33.1221663953795; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:05:53 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 5D MK II In-Reply-To: <48D0DA6D.2050100@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <3A0984A6ABAB47CB849B205FD062D4E6@jimnichols> <48D08263.8060300@gmail.com> <589C27C6-A392-4B86-90EE-DC8788AC97B3@wildskies.net> <72324BC8-AF08-4F8F-9F56-D371087C181A@people.net.au> <48D0C88D.7070204@gmail.com> <48D0DA6D.2050100@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 025dac2f29caf664 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 17:06:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d11ce1273531342116753 Your dilemma doesn't bother me in the least. :) AG http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 17:09:37 2008 Received: (qmail 7039 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 15:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 15:09:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72F4C31CA; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:09:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:09:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F70BC328D for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:09:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.d35.37ae3afe (29672) for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:09:14 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:09:14 EDT Subject: [OM] Off site file backup? To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 17:09:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d11db1282361499373980 Is anybody using Carbonite to back up their files? If so, is this a reasonable alternative to owning a bunch of external hard drives? $50 a year seems like a reasonable price. Bill Barber **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 17:32:31 2008 Received: (qmail 4938 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 15:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 15:32:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34594C3146; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:32:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:32:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC79C34DC for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:32:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so2647201pye.31 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:32:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=1X7uSQ9TJXOyhnkv7atYFHzYWDiAw15xlrQi7jcK8L4=; b=A49GdyvsBaJcxcqcSmapOT4nXKNTFFErysXBv3jvBJ9TpNXGr37pc6ABsWyPTqIMly 5p5kMnp1DN3+DkJB1AxLffppS2IUi7rgR3YYZrgANIx9CeEi0iuCEvMrQLKle5l/SA5e zVRTv9pyxKTb+yucEioDHT5ParUHKaxuFOE5k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=rL4iZeUSj4QqyZM+b+GsMqXmOWwRSFhcBnl49qBMlxd8KiHeVRNr+7DUl8XzVqiQRM 5jE0IPzRpY/5cm9jZZTpsdmR07x4Z+deGe9anabHXwsjFCE1FK2lgvgimGH5ugf7tns8 RPc0kB3IIaIoDbVevk4705qaJqNyLm6ECP4Pk= Received: by 10.114.180.1 with SMTP id c1mr2237948waf.85.1221665526225; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.107.3 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840809170832o1d1c14behac4065c5edebbaa9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:32:06 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8d192d9779e864a2 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 17:32:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1230f154471946193717 I have a trial of MOZY (2GB free) but upload speed is the killer for me (only 512kb/s) so I'm not using it for photos... A friend of mine has two IT developers working for him who use Carbonite - they say it works for them (meaning they successfully restored!) br Jez On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 5:09 PM, wrote: > > Is anybody using Carbonite to back up their files? If so, is this a > reasonable alternative to owning a bunch of external hard drives? $50 a > year seems > like a reasonable price. Bill Barber > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 18:06:54 2008 Received: (qmail 18688 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 16:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 16:06:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C60FC3AF9; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:06:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:06:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3499CC2D79 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:06:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761B4314094 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39522314092 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48D12B14.8040301@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:06:44 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] 5dmarkII Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080916-0, 09/16/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 18:06:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d12b1e11191234514069 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091705canon_5dmarkII.asp ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 18:14:15 2008 Received: (qmail 26087 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 16:14:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 16:14:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF9EC3F82; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:13:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:13:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.241]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94AEBC3148 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:11:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 22so5821424agd.4 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:11:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=vMzIFMJCMrS3SO8fS/uz0YuS6tbw/1wIeWuVzhvisj8=; b=JmWuVw6+IlDDPJzZ1x38fVljhr/BVVRr7Nf07aj5BWOEIVzdrsm7Qe/GuKWcVOLp4i Hsx3JOu0+TOdYpSuO1ztIkqnLnjgz+CAwP2ILRh8FCVpMjjZdxs9y8cYNm8+Hpv4qAg/ Rq9S6pLSyONXlzGKT9VpAsKeuNobQGRxV/5sg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=A9H9gAnlNIH52v531yNVNuGJDpO0Rvea0PtnTL9/nApADp9DEJP9UenjUZ2GNZA2n8 oqB48f7xBmcrKJa0tUrlho3jcuuWLtLx2UIHzPDZRQjhmdA25LlR2C66OZjJZ0rxX8aa paHpGwaMMb4uvthB2KNCozZdpN57hvDPsrC8E= Received: by 10.90.31.8 with SMTP id e8mr3515112age.68.1221667878990; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:11:18 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? In-Reply-To: <48D07F4F.6050603@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48CD8906.7040003@gmail.com> <48CDF142.9020902@gmail.com> <48CF851E.2040602@gmail.com> <48D07F4F.6050603@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: daad344046314118 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 18:14:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d12cd747071869477228 Moose thus swam to the island: >You haven't smashed any 5Ds yet, have you? Uh, no. >You want a poor viewfinder, check out some vintage folders. Oh yeah, and >pre penta prism 35mm SLRs. My dad's old Praktiflex is just impossible. >The optics and mirror are clean, but I can hardly see to frame, let >alone focus. You are absolutely correct. Not all old cameras evolved to higher lifeforms. The Nikons, Canons, Olympus and Leicas are examples which reincarnated to something greater. >As usual, you exaggerate a bit for effect. I don't see that kind of >churn on the list. You mean somebody other than Andrew? ;) Actually, I'm not exaggerating too much. My past history with technology (pre marriage) made me a posterchild of planned obsolescence--as much as my finances ever allowed. When I got the E-1, I honestly didn't plan on using it longer than 18 months. In fact, as many of you will remember, I didn't even want to get the E-1, but was going to bail altogether from Olympus. You can thank Mr. Bill Barber (NSURIT) for keeping me in the fold. So, I buy this refurb from Cameta for $1025 which included the 14-54 lens. That was pretty close to the cost of the appliances which I also had to buy my wife in exchange for permission to get the camera. That was what? 3 1/2 years ago? My problem is that I get too attached to my cameras. How could I ever get rid of a camera that survived a rockslide and yeilded one of the best pictures I've ever taken? How could I part with the OM-2S which travelled with me for the past 22 years and has over 100,000 exposures on it? I'm just a big softie. >No, but I don't fish, so this is one way of watching a big one rise to >the bait. ;-) Yeah, I'm pretty transparant when it comes to that. Like a rainbow trout gobbling up mayflies. >I know I "should" use spot metering all the time to prove what a >serious, macho photographer I am, but I mostly don't except in really >tough lighting. Ahem, don't tell anybody, but almost all of the photographs I've taken with the OM-4T so far have been in Auto mode using the center-weighted averaging meter. Sick, isn't it? But, hey, when I look at the lighting conditions, I know, through experience, when I can and when I can't trust the auto metering system. Multi-spot is there when I need it and want it. >Simple enough with an old. MF prime, where infinity focus it where it >stops at the end. :-) Oh how I wish this was true. Almost all telephotos focus slightly past infinity. >That's tough to get right. I remember the photog at my first wedding >almost duckwalking backward in front of my bride and I, firing away with >Rollei and potato masher flash. He got the shots, though. I don't have >the wife anymore, but still have the album. LOL, the duckwalk is an acquired skill. My knees can't take it anymore so I've altered my working method by using zooms. Zoom lenses and auto-flash make the duckwalk less necessary. However, when I'm shooting two cameras, I have to fire the manual camera first (trap focus) and then use the AF camera to get whatever I can get. For the processional, I plant myself at the aisle just in front of the first pew. I place both cameras on the floor, pick up the first one which is prefocused on a pew and take the picture when they reach that pew, set that camera down, pick up the other which has a wider focal-length, frame and shoot, set it down, pick up the first one again for the next couple. I shoot from the center of the aisle, but just slide out of the way when the couple reaches me. As I'm down on my knees I'm not visually interrupting the wedding. Unfortunately, without the duckwalk, I don't always get the best possible facial expression as I take the picture when I have to, not when I want to. Such is life. There is one wedding picture I want to get someday, but neither have the proper equipment nor the "access". I want a wide-angle shot of the bride/father coming down the aisle from high above the alter. I've seen it done only once and it is such a cool shot. Unfortunately, most churches have no possible location where I can mount a camera 20 feet up in the air. >I haven't heard any loan offers - yet. :-) Slackers. AG http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 19:02:05 2008 Received: (qmail 12189 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 17:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 17:02:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81291C3CC1; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:01:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:01:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC73C2F5F for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:01:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so953885ywt.89 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:01:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=0xfSR4w/Iix9aLwGkHvkZVEXu7eRYwOZRLpodZcpyrU=; b=UkuEQjNnWlta2/eGnveWmdIpSaYtWjici8ITHq+0ebbJ0ZCo3s3xYDskvjd7VtWHLd dL8X6pmf0BNwrnluwIHV7MKNOTne505OiqeegmtDJDgX7FxHnQmrJFnU9Xr2ifd6EcI0 ARt5JHquScaLVKqzNWiysN2qkaf3UF95Ez1OI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=dVvVnNqtV7j21E7IDvtGBcjjbatMTqVtPywBO9eqwcB3hrLBbaUkWsxTHjh1mDNmAK UDgsiJUy6FPgbJnt9TrYDEjpnzbRniDOqaArKHFJCbkiyEuOKZgbrpAcYNt2KJ1ktSab 0+S0/k8pOrt55LLkgrnzxL8DwodnCcnvSIuCc= Received: by 10.65.135.19 with SMTP id m19mr4992745qbn.98.1221670900112; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? ([207.207.79.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e17sm2752758qba.1.2008.09.17.10.01.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <662E17C8-631A-483B-8134-DCEA3D88697C@gmail.com> From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:01:15 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 19:02:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1380d20521591313764 I just started using SmugVault on smugmug. It gets billed through Amazon.com, based on how much you use it. Rob in Seattle On Sep 17, 2008, at 8:09 AM, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > Is anybody using Carbonite to back up their files? If so, is this a > reasonable alternative to owning a bunch of external hard drives? > $50 a year seems > like a reasonable price. Bill Barber ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 19:04:59 2008 Received: (qmail 16913 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 17:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 17:04:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6110CC27C0; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:04:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:04:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.249]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B1CC3AA4 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:04:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 22so5856138agd.4 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:04:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=zn8u/D0oAEINWCBRVJmzS5ABY+uc/oi/qsIlmtCX83w=; b=HDbA/DrXQp6v1FeG0AaTwMkpcT3E9y6dhtDSOwgvfFqIl2CN1rwzmQYYLPUENQpAaT 6yJn7Ov4N7x5RFU9E/aQdY8/3Z3BxBPAxiG93o9yKxUdvYC695910Jdqc8xEU/aIK/U1 LnoOatxJDqT1xUhhlREIlib0iTyDGrL3arYXU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=q8YM6x9IITUmAoUItw59TMRYNOnBgVtJbE1c3RxcDl6IfhfJeDv/kB7I3jfMaMSbeV QddYnuinysp0cNR0Zqpr2RS80TE4QG9+bfe9kCdprNC5Ms3VT5AmN3bT6okdRfQQCIJq c/fM4MPrRnfcRwYpYupPTznuTi8uxYzEUJQKM= Received: by 10.90.66.14 with SMTP id o14mr3635359aga.15.1221671085921; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:04:45 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII In-Reply-To: <48D12B14.8040301@interisland.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48D12B14.8040301@interisland.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3591cc4cac74f294 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 19:04:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d138bb172201591313764 Wow. I am impressed. Maybe I can have somebody mill the grip better. It looks like Canon has a winner with this camera. Unfortunately, it isn't enough to bring back those that migrated over to Nikon, but it will stem the flow. They FINALLY added weatherseals. This makes the camera actually usable for outdoor photography. I could almost be convinced to get one of these as a digital back for my Zuikos. (Alas, the price is higher than my budget allows). AG ps. Don't be so shocked, Moose. Canon finally decompromised this camera. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 19:07:27 2008 Received: (qmail 7063 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 17:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 17:07:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2118FC3C2B; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:07:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:07:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3436CC37BC for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:07:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 22so5857686agd.4 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:07:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=hmTgsQ7lp+yKuqvCfMxotxk8kDxhjWm0qvdL3tfwiP8=; b=GQu9EsTr93EA8PGu4KCtFomfuK+94YRD3JYeE7bSAOB434DmTEhHLKVsF6PXQMEmwI lq1stiG+INZiG/bvvHGTc9nPgr7B4zwmPM326EUhJG5EkyACaCTFxz1tdURHx5TkX6sT J5GKlxFpOYJ/hHie2ZHTmisM/bPa7ANQYYy7E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=iaWE7ErRsu/XW1y7+UTfQUL2t85Oj339GQmWMohWU1UQn2p4KH48hsY/9Bjl3rHJg1 OGuaRPuvoe4KfLfI7gDy36s2EmHm80fJ/sU6q0VbnYM/SsC0toqbtsRR4p+blkOtAu4a sYwAcZK21OB8qDmYLgHXjGJ15LXiP/orgLf7w= Received: by 10.90.74.7 with SMTP id w7mr971324aga.60.1221671234515; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:07:14 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff In-Reply-To: <58566987-86A8-4593-85EA-205BB60789C2@Bytesmiths.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080917013624.E0E75C317D@ml.free.fr> <58566987-86A8-4593-85EA-205BB60789C2@Bytesmiths.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c90297dafc97cc65 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 19:07:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1394f298737350615338 >I'd be willing to host the list. I'm running about a dozen low-volume >lists and websites at the moment. > http://www.Bytesmiths.com/Services Talk about going full-circle. The mail-serve was once in Vancouver, wasn't it? 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( [207.207.79.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p30sm3756826qbp.14.2008.09.17.10.14.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <109E6614-340A-4C25-8253-6D7F69976668@gmail.com> From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:14:06 -0700 References: <48D12B14.8040301@interisland.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 19:14:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d13afa113738512572685 Me too. I could've done without 21 MP I think, but if it doesn't compromise low light performance it could be handy. I was imagining myself getting a D700 in a year or so, and giving up MF altogether, except for a sentimental OM system. With this I could keep my Zuiko glass.... Rob in Seattle On Sep 17, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > > Wow. I am impressed. Maybe I can have somebody mill the grip > better. It > looks like Canon has a winner with this camera. Unfortunately, it > isn't > enough to bring back those that migrated over to Nikon, but it will > stem the > flow. They FINALLY added weatherseals. This makes the camera > actually > usable for outdoor photography. I could almost be convinced to get > one of > these as a digital back for my Zuikos. (Alas, the price is higher > than my > budget allows). > > AG > > ps. Don't be so shocked, Moose. Canon finally decompromised this > camera. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 19:23:42 2008 Received: (qmail 29836 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 17:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 17:23:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC5CC3BD7; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:23:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:23:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A58C27D8 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:23:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kg0kB-0007rR-L9 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:23:11 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <20080917013624.E0E75C317D@ml.free.fr> <58566987-86A8-4593-85EA-205BB60789C2@Bytesmiths.com> Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:23:00 +0100 Message-ID: <03b201c918ea$08fd9460$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AckY59u+c+7IuNW7SDO1MtZF/oVB1wAAgsKg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080916-0, 16/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8270/Wed Sep 17 14:15:56 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 19:23:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d13d1e288291234514069 At Shawnigan Lake School, 20-25 miles from Jan. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: image66@gmail.com [mailto:image66@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Ken Norton Sent: 17 September 2008 18:07 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff >I'd be willing to host the list. I'm running about a dozen low-volume >lists and websites at the moment. > >http://www.Bytesmiths.com/Services Talk about going full-circle. The mail-serve was once in Vancouver, wasn't it? 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(moose@71.139.204.178) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Sep 2008 19:01:28 -0000 Message-ID: <48D15402.5030603@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:01:22 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 5D MK II References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <3A0984A6ABAB47CB849B205FD062D4E6@jimnichols> <48D08263.8060300@gmail.com> <589C27C6-A392-4B86-90EE-DC8788AC97B3@wildskies.net> <72324BC8-AF08-4F8F-9F56-D371087C181A@people.net.au> <48D0C88D.7070204@gmail.com> <48D0DA6D.2050100@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48D0DA6D.2050100@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 21:01:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1541941581234514069 montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > Moose wrote: > >> ... >> > > Maybe the 5D MkII will at least use the same battery as the 50D. > > The 50D still uses the BP-511A. > The 5D Mark II apparently uses a "Lithium Ion LP-E6". > Woops, I looked in the wrong column. Now it's even clearer why the new battery for the 5D MkII, with HD video mode. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 22:26:08 2008 Received: (qmail 29532 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 20:26:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 20:26:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE397C2CBF; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:25:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:25:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F205C2DE1 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:25:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12680 invoked by uid 502); 17 Sep 2008 20:25:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.181.233) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Sep 2008 20:25:55 -0000 Message-ID: <48D167D1.6080006@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:25:53 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII References: <48D12B14.8040301@interisland.net> <109E6614-340A-4C25-8253-6D7F69976668@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <109E6614-340A-4C25-8253-6D7F69976668@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 22:26:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d167e0151877927319144 Rob Harrison wrote: > Me too. I could've done without 21 MP I think, but if it doesn't > compromise low light performance it could be handy. It's about half the pixel density of the 50D. Check out the sample pics at ISO 3200 from the 50D. There's one and a link at TOP. Looks like noise may end up being lower than the current 5D. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 22:38:48 2008 Received: (qmail 2517 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 20:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 20:38:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0288C2B87; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:38:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:38:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9B6C3873 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:38:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so980995yxj.89 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:38:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=iriMvOze8arzmk+oohPrVk7GtplRcRxcVoyLqhTXJDo=; b=FfRhQ4Ygp1XCGVWgQ7oIg5JQKxC1k77Jr7ZXLTz2ok+rXOn0U7D0QXitq7Cq3te7uv 6vo4QyKAOgaZ6ilQjc9ksMjRrjhit0np9UKC6dsu7RXl9y4LBeX9CTFxCuZepG3fOPHo bmkT8poOMATuBsJNqJCxWbDvEn5ZJupzohklI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=DAjwSbLarGiYxrr7tNCQL5AjcBllyNnFL6AlCa0PV+qwlYn7mwOHwcv9LYiTw80SzF P9Bln4gijEpJ7xSV/6+OPD7ohXLhdXyi+MO9v0xe7SpzOtg1SYhHp8OiH51oi9qz779j 3KfQTEgb46ckH6byxFAIZdcmf4iS7A5ZkOKQg= Received: by 10.90.67.10 with SMTP id p10mr3839896aga.64.1221683906101; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:38:26 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: HK at sunset In-Reply-To: <23799948.281991221653372406.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <23799948.281991221653372406.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5b6d5eecf4b73a0d X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 22:38:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d16ad8212341470116606 Now, why does that photo remind me of a Jackie Chan movie? I seem to recall that building's rooftop featured during the final scene. HK has always been and remains one of those cities I've wanted to visit. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 22:47:46 2008 Received: (qmail 19126 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 20:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 20:47:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE8CC30EC; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:47:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:47:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AC5C28F4 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:47:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so981786ywt.89 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:47:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=spju4CeVOEtX/t1yAWNwzM4Awa6dnT6e7LPm8cnw5oY=; b=x+GR1BFsyQ09tsvLwNZ9wM/WbKSQ6o3Zf9QZSTfgv8IxVaBRaOk9mjIzKafKicqYmW 7HjM//uz7oq5kmdZgo0jNstWeZIepKqupL3WJTePxK7mnfhScXQfFNwBlelmf4KiN2zQ K6CddJyQBA+VIi0ZQ6s4KG1ibN3krbFKivdnA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KmTayE74BkbKQZWrOmBRpY/t6+3sKXo22E1xoofpgaG23sFDCFlXSCFOcVLtkEiDIg 9ORsVmA6VAmkuvmvoJlx9LENxdpwAjNdA0fht1a+Vp2xJWUZbsEiD2mhO75LDMHdN4pb BDjiwhjFFFoRKkyb43vJ1LuN/sVyn+/z1UxsA= Received: by 10.151.12.1 with SMTP id p1mr4305148ybi.1.1221684453692; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.203.14 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:47:33 -0400 From: "Amin Sabet" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] FS: E-420 with 14-42 and 25/2.8 lenses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: asabet@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 22:47:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d16cf2285361744846740 Hi all, I'm selling an E-420, 14-42mm kit lens, and 25mm f/2.8 pancake. All have seen very little use and are in excellent condition. I can provide photos of them, but I am lazy to do so. All look perfect and come with box, all caps, charger, battery. Asking $625 which includes insured shipping in the CONUS. PayPal only please (I pay the fees). I have 100% positive feedback on Ebay (asabet) and Fred Miranda (asabet), and I have bought and sold on list before (OM 24/2, E-410, etc). Thanks, Amin Sabet ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 23:23:37 2008 Received: (qmail 24250 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 21:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 21:23:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD14C2E88; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:23:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:23:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1D9C2D49 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:23:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K7C00F10ZEU6S80@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:23:18 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-78-86.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.78.86]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:13:17 -0300 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:23:52 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <8E74C0A90D0B497180F98D86FC5255B7@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmsTAHEQ0UgYik5W/2dsb2JhbACBXogTr2cDgWQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,418,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="363246720" References: <20080917013624.E0E75C317D@ml.free.fr> <58566987-86A8-4593-85EA-205BB60789C2@Bytesmiths.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 23:23:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1755982631993019900 .....not in Vancouver, BC but at a prestigious private school close to Victoria, BC on Vancouver Island. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff > > >I'd be willing to host the list. I'm running about a dozen low-volume >>lists and websites at the moment. >> >> http://www.Bytesmiths.com/Services > > > Talk about going full-circle. The mail-serve was once in Vancouver, > wasn't > it? > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 23:26:54 2008 Received: (qmail 9363 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 21:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 21:26:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657E1C3286; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:26:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:26:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3515C2B30 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:26:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080917212637.UKCI22820.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:26:37 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.102.19.127]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id FxSc1a0052kWG3G02xScxU; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:26:36 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ELX7y5txfnxNuG4HPREA:9 a=rGZSYoM6d_WuLn4rDVYE1Gfcdq0A:4 a=8y7tGHue6YMA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <004801c9198a$31ca1bc0$7f136644@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <00c401c918b7$305f3f00$7f136644@youra9279112e3> Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:29:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 23:26:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1761e201951869477228 Since "nobody" shoots film anymore, you'd think that they would be as common as Beanie Babies on ebay. I'm a little surprised that there is no flood of 35 only scanners on anywhere, but I'll bet that most of the ones that are out there still get some use, especially with MF. Others probably are keeping them to use with the shoeboxes of negatives in the basement. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Sep 17 23:42:18 2008 Received: (qmail 30237 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 21:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 21:42:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1042C2B42; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:42:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:42:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [204.127.217.103]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30562C2C59 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:42:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080917214204H030024o5ke>; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:42:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <89600692AD1E44D09821FCD424209B45@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <00c401c918b7$305f3f00$7f136644@youra9279112e3> <004801c9198a$31ca1bc0$7f136644@youra9279112e3> Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:42:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Sep 17 23:42:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d179ba176271073733319 Bill, You have identified my situation fairly closely. I purchased an older Minolta 35mm scanner last year and used it to digitize 50 years of accumulated negatives and slides. Many of these were stored in cigar boxes, not shoe boxes. I then looked at my late father-in-law's collection of large format negatives and prints, and purchased an older Epson flatbed scanner. I have begun work on these inherited images, but have quite a way to go to finish with them. Scanners are a valuable tool in preserving the past, but, given the quality of the older images, the latest and greatest scanners are not necessarily a requirement. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pearce" To: Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:29 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued > > Since "nobody" shoots > film anymore, you'd think that they would be as common as Beanie Babies on > ebay. > > I'm a little surprised that there is no flood of 35 only scanners on > anywhere, but I'll bet that most of the ones that are out there still get > some use, especially with MF. Others probably are keeping them to use with > the shoeboxes of negatives in the basement. > > Bill Pearce > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 00:08:52 2008 Received: (qmail 15289 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 22:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 22:08:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B437CC27A6; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:08:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:08:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FE3C34AB for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:08:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.bc4.32223630 (37062) for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB048-90c648d17fdd1; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:08:29 -0400 Received: from webmail-da03 (webmail-da03.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.198]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA035-5c5748d17fc61c0; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:08:06 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:08:06 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.254 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38839-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.254 by webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.198) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:08:06 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAE728FF30CE84-16D4-3CAB@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 00:08:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d17ff453851529615919 Much dissing on dprev.---same AF as 5D and ergonomic complaints. It doesn't appear Canyon has totally solved their AF issues---they reportedly put big bucks and personnel on the problem. Some claim the D700 will clean up with this offering. The 5DMK11 is 180 gm lighter and but 1fps slower. The recommended "kit" lens if the 24-105 f:4. (saves about $260 purchase together --list prices) Perhaps a bit under glassed as the 5D out resolved it over 80mm or so. The MKII should be capable of more. Whether that really matters for most applications remains to be seen. Perhaps they will announce more lenses too. Still, I hope it will be impressive digital film for Zuikos with live view to aid focusing---don't know how quick that would be, however. I am not sure how they did it, but the low light performance is perhaps a stop or two better than the 5D despite the megapixelitis. Mike http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=29361492 Rob says: Me too. I could've done without 21 MP I think, but if it doesn't compromise low light performance it could be handy. I was imagining myself getting a D700 in a year or so, and giving up MF altogether, except for a sentimental OM system. With this I could keep my Zuiko glass.... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 00:09:32 2008 Received: (qmail 21822 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 22:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 22:09:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A128DC2C89; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:09:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:09:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15123C2927 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:09:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080917220917.UWED23768.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:09:17 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.102.19.127]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Fy9J1a0012kWG3G02y9Jwt; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:09:18 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=krC4RL3byTnVnPyTo2cA:9 a=3jLx26QsZQMnhkvOkesA:7 a=tAecHoNM82ujPzlNMv6ZGaPbOGEA:4 a=me1CeiWLvBEA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <000a01c91990$28a09f50$7f136644@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <00c401c918b7$305f3f00$7f136644@youra9279112e3> <004801c9198a$31ca1bc0$7f136644@youra9279112e3> <89600692AD1E44D09821FCD424209B45@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:12:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 00:09:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1801c155311823421471 given the quality of the older images, the latest and greatest scanners are not necessarily a requirement. I with you till this. Many of the older images (ie. med. format B&W) are remarkable, and deserve wet darkroom printing. Scanner technology hit the peak about twenty years ago, anyway, with some of the great drum scanners, and the drum substitutes all peaked at least ten years ago. I/v never been pleased with the flatbeds, so I got a Minolta MultiPro, and am really pleased, but I built a wet darkroom anyway. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 00:22:01 2008 Received: (qmail 86 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 22:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 22:22:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1E7C3BFF; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:21:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:21:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4380CC3B4F for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:21:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12037 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 22:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.142.240) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 22:21:34 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <48D12B14.8040301@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <31212143-73D0-4F8D-842E-3907DC145CEB@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:21:43 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 00:22:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d18309180361585427447 I'll be in the queue. Compact - er, why? That's dumb. 'Grip!' Million pixel LCD with orientation sensor - thank goodness. Same high ISO as Nikon but with a native base of 100, not 200 (no L2 needed). Weathersealed - yay! The D700 isn't. Neither does the D700 do movies although the D90 does. I don't think I've ever actually shot a movies with a cam - but I might give it a go now. The D90 actually shoots 720p and interpolates to 1080 as I understand. Significantly cheaper than the D700 and the Sony with which it is a closer comparison (nice grip on the a900). The Nikon is beginning to look like the poor kid in this category - beaten on features and pickles. Isn't this exciting? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 18/09/2008, at 3:04 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Wow. I am impressed. Maybe I can have somebody mill the grip > better. It > looks like Canon has a winner with this camera. Unfortunately, it > isn't > enough to bring back those that migrated over to Nikon, but it will > stem the > flow. They FINALLY added weatherseals. This makes the camera > actually > usable for outdoor photography. I could almost be convinced to get > one of > these as a digital back for my Zuikos. (Alas, the price is higher > than my > budget allows). ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 00:35:11 2008 Received: (qmail 5558 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 22:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 22:35:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F6AC2CE5; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:34:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:34:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [207.115.11.55]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DBBC322C for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:34:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080917223456H0500e6ckue>; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:34:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <00c401c918b7$305f3f00$7f136644@youra9279112e3> <004801c9198a$31ca1bc0$7f136644@youra9279112e3> <89600692AD1E44D09821FCD424209B45@jimnichols> <000a01c91990$28a09f50$7f136644@youra9279112e3> Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:35:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 00:35:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1861f57901234514069 Bill, I agree, if the negatives have been properly protected in a professional way, they can be great. I have some of these in 5x7 and 3.5x5 studio shots. But, if they have been tumbled into shoe boxes, or, in my case, Kodak print paper boxes, they can be a challenge. I had a wet darkroom in my early years of photography, but, since a move over 40 years ago, my enlarger and trays have been in boxes in the attic. I don't think, at age 78, that I will be returning to that process. It's too hard on the old back. :-) Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pearce" To: Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:12 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Coolscan V ED discontinued > > given the quality > of the older images, the latest and greatest scanners are not necessarily > a > requirement. > > I with you till this. Many of the older images (ie. med. format B&W) are > remarkable, and deserve wet darkroom printing. Scanner technology hit the > peak about twenty years ago, anyway, with some of the great drum scanners, > and the drum substitutes all peaked at least ten years ago. > > I/v never been pleased with the flatbeds, so I got a Minolta MultiPro, and > am really pleased, but I built a wet darkroom anyway. > > Bill Pearce > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 00:50:49 2008 Received: (qmail 17867 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 22:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 22:50:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6E5C2F7D; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:50:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:50:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EA4AC2EC9 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:50:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18294 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 22:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.142.240) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 22:50:22 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <589C27C6-A392-4B86-90EE-DC8788AC97B3@wildskies.net> References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <3A0984A6ABAB47CB849B205FD062D4E6@jimnichols> <48D08263.8060300@gmail.com> <589C27C6-A392-4B86-90EE-DC8788AC97B3@wildskies.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <102D37BA-17DF-4B4F-AC4F-A826B1A320E3@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: 5D MK II Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:50:31 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 00:50:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d189c9117258512572685 Aaaaaarrrrrrggggggghhhhhh! http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091501zeissforcanon.asp Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 17/09/2008, at 2:24 PM, Brent wrote: > > 5D MK II > > Mmmmmm.... > > http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller? > act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=17662#ModelDetailAct > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 01:16:16 2008 Received: (qmail 25976 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 23:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 23:16:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26930C2D5A; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:16:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:16:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DECAC33A2 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:16:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8HNG06u038320 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:16:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id m8HNEh0T042138 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:14:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m8I0I1P4028039; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:18:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200809180018.m8I0I1P4028039@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:14:07 -0700 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, olympus@ml.free.fr From: Richard Man Subject: [OM] Re: HK at sunset In-Reply-To: References: <23799948.281991221653372406.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 5.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 1601953 - 358163c8aad2 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: richard-lists@imagecraft.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 01:16:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d18fc0263422070262475 Without checking out the website yet (will do so soon), it must be the Convention Center. I'm pretty sure you are referring to Police Story 2. // richard ("martial arts movie nut") At 01:38 PM 9/17/2008, Ken Norton wrote: >Now, why does that photo remind me of a Jackie Chan movie? I seem to recall >that building's rooftop featured during the final scene. > >HK has always been and remains one of those cities I've wanted to visit. >= // richard (This email is for mailing lists. 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( [203.214.39.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n40sm870569wag.39.2008.09.17.16.33.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48D193B6.5000506@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:33:10 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 5D MK II References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <3A0984A6ABAB47CB849B205FD062D4E6@jimnichols> <48D08263.8060300@gmail.com> <589C27C6-A392-4B86-90EE-DC8788AC97B3@wildskies.net> <72324BC8-AF08-4F8F-9F56-D371087C181A@people.net.au> <48D0C88D.7070204@gmail.com> <48D0DA6D.2050100@gmail.com> <48D15402.5030603@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48D15402.5030603@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 01:33:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d193cb326011342116753 Moose wrote: > ... > Woops, I looked in the wrong column. Now it's even clearer why the new > battery for the 5D MkII, with HD video mode. There is a statement (probably dpreview) that the LP-E6 battery is the "same size" as the BP-511A, but they note that it has slightly recessed contacts and takes a different charger, so though it might not completely negate hope of the BP-511A being usable in the 5D Mk II, I wouldn't be putting any money on it, especially seeing as the new battery-type and camera talk to each other about usage. I can't really afford it though, and a 50D is probably perfect to replace my "aging" 10D. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 01:53:06 2008 Received: (qmail 11612 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2008 23:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 23:53:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71A0C2BF0; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:52:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:52:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 69606C2E56 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:52:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5842 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 23:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.142.240) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 23:52:36 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48D193B6.5000506@gmail.com> References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <3A0984A6ABAB47CB849B205FD062D4E6@jimnichols> <48D08263.8060300@gmail.com> <589C27C6-A392-4B86-90EE-DC8788AC97B3@wildskies.net> <72324BC8-AF08-4F8F-9F56-D371087C181A@people.net.au> <48D0C88D.7070204@gmail.com> <48D0DA6D.2050100@gmail.com> <48D15402.5030603@gmail.com> <48D193B6.5000506@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <4CA4C6B8-8937-4E34-A08D-ACBE995EECB3@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: 5D MK II Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:52:44 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 01:53:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d19862322811342116753 Similar problems with Nikon. Can't remember the numbers but when Nikon sent me the D700 without a charger or a battery (SNAFU) we tried to bung a D80 battery in it. Same shape but a little plastic protrusion makes it impossible to insert. I'll bet there's a really good reason for that...obiously they speak different dialects of Chinese. Come to think of it, those EL batteries look almost identical to the Canon 511's apart from having two contacts instead of three. (Or three instead of two - can't be bothered to go look). We could develop a conspiracy theory here that they are all the same apart from cosmetic differences to control 'fit'. Evil corporate barstards! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 18/09/2008, at 9:33 AM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > There is a statement (probably dpreview) that the LP-E6 battery is the > "same size" as the BP-511A, but they note that it has slightly > recessed > contacts and takes a different charger, so though it might not > completely negate hope of the BP-511A being usable in the 5D Mk II, I > wouldn't be putting any money on it, especially seeing as the new > battery-type and camera talk to each other about usage. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 03:39:01 2008 Received: (qmail 24835 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 01:39:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 01:39:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C56BC30A5; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:38:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:38:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE63C2F53 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:38:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K7D002N9B8AZNP0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:38:34 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-78-86.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.78.86]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:28:26 -0300 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:39:09 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: HK at sunset To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <8935D1366BB64D47B2315035CB4C9C80@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmsTAGxN0UgYik5W/2dsb2JhbACBXogTsC8DgWQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,418,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="363376284" References: <23799948.281991221653372406.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <60f983080809170520v5ad77ed1pe1746b6fd75842fa@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 03:39:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1b13543742046811720 Michael ............... if indeed the lens was a 300mm whereabouts would the photo have been taken from ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wong" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 9:20 AM Subject: [OM] Re: HK at sunset > > Will, > Great job! What is the focal length of the lens you took the pictures? I > think at least 300mm, right? > > > Funny! > > > --- > Michael > > > > > 2008/9/17 wiliam Wagenaar > >> >> Hi all, >> This mail is intended to test te list activity and provide you with a >> nice >> link to view. I received it from one of my contacts. >> >Place your mouse at the top of the photo You will notice it is >> >6:10 >> >pm. Bring the mouse down slowly over the photo. Do not right or left >> >click.. Night time appears, and the lights come on... At 7:40pm, its >> >dark! Photo Technology at its best! >> > http://61226.com/share/hk.swf >> Cheers, >> >> Wiliam >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 04:26:00 2008 Received: (qmail 1586 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 02:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 02:25:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29792C2EA6; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:25:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:25:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9729C302C for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:25:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Kg9DF-0005LK-NQ for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:25:45 -0700 Message-ID: <19544823.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Amin Sabet To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: FS: E-420 with 14-42 and 25/2.8 lenses In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Nabble-From: asabet@gmail.com References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: asabet@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 04:26:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1bc38319341234514069 E-420 and both lenses have now sold. I am also selling a Canon G7 in excellent condition for $285 shipped and PayPal'd in case anyone is interested. Includes box, battery, charger. Regards, Amin Amin Sabet wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I'm selling an E-420, 14-42mm kit lens, and 25mm f/2.8 pancake. All > have seen very little use and are in excellent condition. I can > provide photos of them, but I am lazy to do so. All look perfect and > come with box, all caps, charger, battery. Asking $625 which includes > insured shipping in the CONUS. PayPal only please (I pay the fees). > > I have 100% positive feedback on Ebay (asabet) and Fred Miranda > (asabet), and I have bought and sold on list before (OM 24/2, E-410, > etc). > > Thanks, > Amin Sabet > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FS%3A-E-420-with-14-42-and-25-2.8-lenses-tp19540805p19544823.html Sent from the Olympus Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 04:46:13 2008 Received: (qmail 30247 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 02:46:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 02:46:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80DDC2816; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:46:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:46:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC74C2D2F for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:46:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0DCA31408D for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E9431407E for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48D1C0EA.5010301@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:46:02 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080917-0, 09/17/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 04:46:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1c0f590651529615919 > > $50 a year seems like a reasonable price. Bill Barber > 2 years will buy you a pretty big hard drive these days which will be much faster I suspect. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 06:07:53 2008 Received: (qmail 2834 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 04:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 04:07:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDC1C3B85; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:07:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:07:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408C9C39E9 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:07:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30911 invoked by uid 502); 18 Sep 2008 04:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.187.99) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 18 Sep 2008 04:07:39 -0000 Message-ID: <48D1D407.6050206@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:07:35 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII References: <8CAE728FF30CE84-16D4-3CAB@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CAE728FF30CE84-16D4-3CAB@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 06:07:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1d419203121744846740 usher99@aol.com wrote: > Much dissing on dprev.---same AF as 5D and ergonomic complaints. It doesn't appear Canyon has totally solved their AF issues---they reportedly put big bucks and personnel on the problem. Huh? Did I miss a memo? I've never been aware of any focus problem with the 5D. You mean all those pics I thought were sharp are actually out of focus? Darn! Seriously, I haven't heard of any such thing, nor encountered it. I'm aware of the focus issues with the 1D MkIII, but I thought the cause had been finally identified and cured. Sure this isn't another of the imaginary issues some folks on forums invent in order to have things to rant about? Ergonomic complaints before the thing has been in anybody's hands yet? Feh! The body, while similar to the 5D, is somewhat different. And they moved the ISO button where it belonged in the first place. Confusing to anyone using both, but still - getting it right can't be all bad. How can anybody tell what it will feel and operate like without using it? No, I'm not diving into that dpreview forum snakepit. Life is sweeter without it. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 06:36:42 2008 Received: (qmail 7961 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 04:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 04:36:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9B3C35F9; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:36:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:36:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750A9C3591 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:36:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2527 invoked by uid 518); 18 Sep 2008 04:36:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20080918043627.2526.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:36:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 75.160.164.73 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 06:36:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1dada109385368819438 Consider what happens when your backup provider goes out of business. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Jez Cunningham > Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? > Sent: Sep 17 '08 15:32 > > > I have a trial of MOZY (2GB free) but upload speed is the killer for me > (only 512kb/s) so I'm not using it for photos... > > A friend of mine has two IT developers working for him who use Carbonite - > they say it works for them (meaning they successfully restored!) > > br > Jez > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 5:09 PM, wrote: > > > > > Is anybody using Carbonite to back up their files? If so, is this a > > reasonable alternative to owning a bunch of external hard drives?  $50 a > >  year seems > > like a reasonable price.  Bill Barber > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 07:02:06 2008 Received: (qmail 773 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 05:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 05:02:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A1CC2C2E; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:01:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:01:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F21C33BC for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:01:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 20537 invoked by uid 518); 18 Sep 2008 05:01:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20080918050153.20536.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:01:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 75.160.164.73 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 07:02:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1e0ce18011529615919 One of the primary reasons I bought a 5D is that it not only focuses fast and accurately but it also does so in extremely low light... and in complete darkness with the focus assist light on the flash. If you want to test your autofocus try it on a dark dance floor at a wedding reception after the DJ has turned down the lights. The 5D with a 2.8 lens handles that just fine. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Moose > Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII > Sent: Sep 18 '08 04:07 > > usher99@aol.com wrote: > > Much dissing on dprev.---same AF as 5D and ergonomic complaints. It doesn't appear Canyon has totally solved their AF issues---they reportedly put big bucks and personnel on the problem. > Huh? Did I miss a memo? I've never been aware of any focus problem with > the 5D. You mean all those pics I thought were sharp are actually out of > focus? Darn! > > Seriously, I haven't heard of any such thing, nor encountered it. I'm > aware of the focus issues with the 1D MkIII, but I thought the cause had > been finally identified and cured. > > Sure this isn't another of the imaginary issues some folks on forums > invent in order to have things to rant about? > > Ergonomic complaints before the thing has been in anybody's hands yet? Feh! > > The body, while similar to the 5D, is somewhat different. And they moved > the ISO button where it belonged in the first place. Confusing to anyone > using both, but still - getting it right can't be all bad. How can > anybody tell what it will feel and operate like without using it? > > No, I'm not diving into that dpreview forum snakepit. Life is sweeter > without it. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 07:30:21 2008 Received: (qmail 8564 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 05:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 05:30:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D99CC3BE2; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:30:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:30:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022EEC3C9D for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:30:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5657446141F for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:44:36 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <66075316-B10B-4BC2-9BF5-190FFE51E0A4@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48D0C692.1040403@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:29:59 +0100 References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <9735EDFF-366E-4A0F-9077-75784447A918@people.net.au> <48D0C692.1040403@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 07:30:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1e76d23498512572685 I had noticed that, Moose. It's very considerate of you, but it does confuse me sometimes ... :-) Chris On 17 Sep 2008, at 09:57, Moose wrote: > Tell that to the one who started the thread. When I respond to posts > from you and many others, I say colour, organise, etc. and work in > metric units - at least I try. When I respond to a thread quoting > weights in ounces, I respond in ounces. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 07:33:35 2008 Received: (qmail 30294 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 05:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 05:33:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB6EC38AC; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:33:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:33:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6E4C2D35 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:33:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 223.red-81-33-238.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.33.238.223]:53148 helo=[192.168.2.104]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KgC8k-0004lV-62 (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:33:19 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Picture a Day discussion group , Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 15/09/2008: our in-house photographer Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:33:16 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 07:33:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1e82f187043675314703 After the latest round of acrimony on the LUG it might be appropriate with a picture of a blond girl with a camera :-) Our office uses a Leica Digilux II tethered to a PC to take our mugshots for the ID cards. We also have an in-house photographer who takes pictures when we have some internal event, or a visiting delegation from the European Parliament or some such. She uses a standard-issue Canon DSLR. Here she is at a function we had Monday night: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#374942092_D6zRw-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 07:57:46 2008 Received: (qmail 16284 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 05:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 05:57:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74766C3368; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:57:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:57:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA40BC283F for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:57:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB741375AD4 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:57:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QQa2V9zGDUIU for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8575F1375AC5 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080918014308.17173C2D6A@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:57:30 -0700 References: <20080918014308.17173C2D6A@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 07:57:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1edda50942070262475 > From: Moose > > I think the metric system is a > silly, completely unintuitive system inherited from a foolish effort > to > reduce human communication and commerce to inhuman abstracts based on > some inaccurate measurements. An unfortunate leftover from the > height of > the age of reductionism. But hey, that's just me. And while we're at it, what's with all driving on the same side of the road, anyway? It's an affront to individualism, I tell ya! And how about the telephone -- ten keys and all. I think I should be able to buy a phone with as many numbers as I want, and to call people with numbers I can remember, not some silly number the phone company assigned to them. And why the heck do words have to be in any particular order? Mean I, should words mean want exactly what I to them, they shouldn't? (The following came up completely at random, but proves my point beautifully... :-) :::: Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? -- George W. Bush :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 08:38:43 2008 Received: (qmail 5747 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 06:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 06:38:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F205C3C5F; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:38:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:38:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001DEC3676 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:38:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E761376272 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:38:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3U+6fKp3y8cz for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5401376260 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <8B755523-491C-4BF4-ADFB-BFD30F236C23@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080918014308.17173C2D6A@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:38:20 -0700 References: <20080918014308.17173C2D6A@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 08:38:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1f773110094673671140 > From: "Ken Norton" > >> I'd be willing to host the list. I'm running about a dozen low-volume >> lists and websites at the moment. >> http://www.Bytesmiths.com/Services > > Talk about going full-circle. The mail-serve was once in Vancouver, > wasn't > it? On Vancouver Island, at Shawnigan Lake, to be exact, about 15km from here, the way the crow flies. (But about 90 minutes travel time, if you hit the ferry just right.) In July, I tried to meet up with Shawn Wright, who hosted the original list, but he didn't return my email. I've heard rumours the school where he worked is closing, although their website has no mention. Just to be clear, I normally charge for web/mail hosting, but would volunteer to host the Olympus list for free if others will do most of the routine list management. I use GNU Mailman, the most popular open source list management software. :::: Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself. -- George Bernard Shaw :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 08:41:37 2008 Received: (qmail 24590 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 06:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 06:41:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5BDC352B; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:41:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:41:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.228]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C75EC34D4 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:41:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3257076rvb.29 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:41:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=C4dDo99oOOAPLddmpbeksIDVH4x+SkUv0Dr3s46Zxmc=; b=lLz/3CB5R9ZduUdLtG6KcyG0rnJruAFSfkDbiKfqQAkBMZT0Yw66EnHFlIpMQQYZv+ 2Oj8gmkK7zFJnKycdPEUb+7aFDevZd32+BeW2DL6VC3RNEgzQfTREy/6esNkKgy4hJL9 /e+xOWnR0p4R7vzUWMThv7nHPdBKFUwFu2Cew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=Mf9k4a9el5srjPxf8ObAYZu/ANm7WUX7314p/XU+X5jMoAZSV3VGA28JeWRIx+3xb5 KAB9XDuiZPayNvHeAKgKL3tnT7r87jH2XGRZNObXMSdZaT5RyyymQgTM7ckgnsHpJMxG dL6dfZ/mxzqlndOhujJIAbfzkv5Lh42UDPKUY= Received: by 10.140.132.8 with SMTP id f8mr7166168rvd.198.1221720084289; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.104? ( [216.39.145.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2sm214826rvb.1.2008.09.17.23.41.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <081DEA67-AD12-4BB0-B8CA-45B45A04A6A7@gmail.com> From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <8B755523-491C-4BF4-ADFB-BFD30F236C23@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:41:07 -0700 References: <20080918014308.17173C2D6A@ml.free.fr> <8B755523-491C-4BF4-ADFB-BFD30F236C23@Bytesmiths.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 08:41:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d1f821128621234514069 A very generous offer Jan. Thanks. Rob in Seattle On Sep 17, 2008, at 11:38 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > Just to be clear, I normally charge for web/mail hosting, but would > volunteer to host the Olympus list for free if others will do most of > the routine list management. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 10:14:14 2008 Received: (qmail 16404 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 08:14:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 08:14:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED90FC3009; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:13:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:13:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF56FC2B8D for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:13:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so2178949wah.17 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:13:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=aEiKW4fuPRUu33YngIhAtdOp+8iDBUWYwzTqe6SoH7w=; b=UpwnjuwoXJTCHf7syxArMbE6RP7E//+9bLB+BjF0NLd0HAAG0Lubd2kYirnujyOWgx WuHqE/gJY0x7hlUuRBEhbiRusSfSRnA3n8WCYx3HsOtsOA0QUcKWexipE0WVtQKxVqLo CLeClUhppHcnyo7MIiiEAWpbQFZdcUG7nM1nA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=BuYkt5qUjXoFOYj75IvAYvPvDU7Lz2oILvazhlX88hNjACOtd0Ki5vcObQNo8dddsW wqYHtuQ1ikj0kUPnNUILcA4FIuo7VNS1H6TQFrHpxLSFz54zzjq1d6WRIJ8RndN2T4x/ 1BttmY+3GGocm3JrA5Hv4Rkj/bf3ihn9vL+Nc= Received: by 10.114.25.19 with SMTP id 19mr3317109way.225.1221725599040; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.107.3 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840809180113w3375bf4ci48db3fe424d829dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:13:19 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 15/09/2008: our in-house photographer In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: a7eebe7167b2b7e6 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 10:14:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d20dd6115801234514069 [OM] listees need to know more... On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > After the latest round of acrimony on the LUG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 10:17:34 2008 Received: (qmail 3622 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 08:17:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 08:17:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88263C28F7; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:17:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:17:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id A6734C310F for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:17:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1641 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2008 08:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.142.240) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 08:17:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48D0C692.1040403@gmail.com> References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <9735EDFF-366E-4A0F-9077-75784447A918@people.net.au> <48D0C692.1040403@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <4185DE94-981E-474C-8ED6-129776611DB7@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:17:14 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 10:17:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d20e9e159217350615338 Shame you guys metricised your currency so long ago, in the French style. Took all the fun out of it. I suppose the Imperial system would be far more intuitive to those with twelve fingers and sixteen toes - what part of the Ozarks did you grow up in? But I wondered about that snarl directed at the height of the age of reductionism - I thought that we were still climbing towards that and were leagues, or at least versts away from the summit. Now I believe that you can use a diamond nail file to rub away the ISO on the button of your new 5D Mk2 - one of those natty little white fineliner pens will do to write ASA in it's place. Of course it will be a bit tricky if you'd rather use DIN, or GOST. That'll reduce communication for sure. Personally I'm developing a currency system based around common Australian units - there'll be three snags to the pie, six pies to the pav and three pavs to the slab . Tourist will just have to get used to it. Andrew Fildes (shoe size 43, or 8, or 9 in the US) afildes@people.net.au On 17/09/2008, at 6:57 PM, Moose wrote: > Personally, while I can work with it, I think the metric system is a > silly, completely unintuitive system inherited from a foolish > effort to > reduce human communication and commerce to inhuman abstracts based on > some inaccurate measurements. An unfortunate leftover from the > height of > the age of reductionism. But hey, that's just me. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 10:19:14 2008 Received: (qmail 30748 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 08:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 08:19:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99420C2ECE; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:18:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:18:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B6EC31E2 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:18:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so2180195wah.17 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:18:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=HDZlkYNVyWyCBPdd66dZH2o9WMF1lxG6HfHX4rvGNWA=; b=MVYu8K0EXbgD0RAhmLCAeJFE69YiwFcIglVm2lW672JwMLxwTVp9X7auPxPVmrTIna JHMmfbTCBYZGv6XbrELRnkmSSzeVJW96IDhVnmOj7O3Ayhkem3I6I2U+x0pA6/APZXBo 4iVYIteTd3hZWiXlghH6DebTJRvtygkSPxU44= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=T9Ibo6Rj9V9PltbnHdon5lZXeD9uSfAgGKYwutts+TS5PCogtkRK2rhbVp0HkCAlNc vYb8XrVHEPhUr/E6ffFYgdTtDXw8qrGIVFpuIOCQoT4/20XOxmJ6Vw95v1d6SEo90UlK R6BPC2TGNlw1LgAc5g904mEiqDCIn4U8oVbaw= Received: by 10.114.15.1 with SMTP id 1mr3329501wao.184.1221725934539; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.107.3 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840809180118j4c6df9eejf326a4d2365a43a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:18:53 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? In-Reply-To: <20080918043627.2526.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080918043627.2526.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5f4d41989fbab66f X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 10:19:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d20f02265991993019900 Er, you switch to another? It's only backup. Jez On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 6:36 AM, wrote: > Consider what happens when your backup provider goes out of business. > > Chuck Norcutt > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 10:24:54 2008 Received: (qmail 18160 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 08:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 08:24:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C84C2E38; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:24:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:24:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.174]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38EDBC303D for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:24:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so3292229wfd.5 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:24:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G43T+R/FfPzEub9lUTcCFdaB5RjwoMGehdMdDIZNtOM=; b=aDzrRB1tiQfMVd2zB9SoO3u09HmdO4CbNrp62QD2MtNd3Jj+395cshPGq0NuZoC9mK x7IactuYq/A9YD1/zJnTQqCfBwUUQp9ouWQ26psMRk7yGIL7IHMk2y2XNwGXjtrYANMD s2zm4oB2zlCVLmPlWFsiQTYth35cqZmx6NENE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=imOqkgbrECCRl58CBUMNxloYO56OvIeB0T5ta0vrHTA3P4B//+qw1xZi3s+dtl3cYt T4alUNDqZouzCwbQx6nBL5jKTu1qT73AhNMih4SH+Xk8bhnXblfEXZq/ZrFprpHc6aIi 7gCfw1sODPuSVNnfYfYGcA1C1TB5s2aWAKKCQ= Received: by 10.142.143.14 with SMTP id q14mr1261583wfd.304.1221726280598; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.39.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm1633991wff.18.2008.09.18.01.24.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48D21041.7070301@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:24:33 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <9735EDFF-366E-4A0F-9077-75784447A918@people.net.au> <48D0C692.1040403@gmail.com> <4185DE94-981E-474C-8ED6-129776611DB7@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <4185DE94-981E-474C-8ED6-129776611DB7@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 10:24:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d21055278231257536491 Andrew Fildes wrote: > ... > Personally I'm developing a currency system based around common > Australian units - there'll be three snags to the pie, six pies to > the pav and three pavs to the slab . Tourist will just have to get > used to it. Nine pies to the pav. Cheers, Marc (who believes a three-course meal can be all-dessert) Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 10:29:31 2008 Received: (qmail 29436 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 08:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 08:29:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47012C3412; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:29:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:29:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.230]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5E7C31EC for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:29:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3294631rvb.29 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:29:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=GdYbow4kzh0JhEk1X6NZcPuwuUWj5i2YRgMlyYpZFiw=; b=Cg9JAcbdycp3USqXmkxdf+zZKK07xRU/ShIjpLHO+7R9ZU+ltPDfONglmetQXOALcr wpTRxpdu05xUoZjAnncn36IKnq6zibtDzn57X831BB6YREzATH7UehdObrVedgZCZ6n0 tWtYV8sKxi6QWRcLWkObUZzBiBNIPkDfXaBig= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Pl3qNY9U30Zj6+y/w/zys9affE5/TJyerG9B2jcV6HLc0Ltk1vB/uLkyBvfuRezNA4 FRDAQ4sTmaM5CCvuPfxZan40kWxXWivguhxNYMmP9EDIYvChoe7anzkI0XUnp6+Hy3da ZmJUO0SWbDoJsFSqtBAHeSw5SHsnYoW9N2/do= Received: by 10.141.162.1 with SMTP id p1mr7243174rvo.39.1221726557744; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.153.11 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080809180129p4ef5ea3bqda6d4bd0d0ba3309@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:29:17 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: HK at sunset In-Reply-To: <8935D1366BB64D47B2315035CB4C9C80@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <23799948.281991221653372406.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <60f983080809170520v5ad77ed1pe1746b6fd75842fa@mail.gmail.com> <8935D1366BB64D47B2315035CB4C9C80@hudson> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 10:29:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2116b205581702588592 John, I'm not sure. I have never tried to take this shot with 300mm lens. --- Michael 2008/9/18 John Hudson > > Michael ............... if indeed the lens was a 300mm whereabouts would > the > photo have been taken from ? > > jh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Wong" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 9:20 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: HK at sunset > > > > > > Will, > > Great job! What is the focal length of the lens you took the pictures? I > > think at least 300mm, right? > > > > > > Funny! > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > 2008/9/17 wiliam Wagenaar > > > >> > >> Hi all, > >> This mail is intended to test te list activity and provide you with a > >> nice > >> link to view. I received it from one of my contacts. > >> >Place your mouse at the top of the photo You will notice it is > >> >6:10 > >> >pm. Bring the mouse down slowly over the photo. Do not right or left > >> >click.. Night time appears, and the lights come on... At 7:40pm, its > >> >dark! Photo Technology at its best! > >> > http://61226.com/share/hk.swf > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Wiliam > >> > >> ============================================== > >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > >> ============================================== > >> > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 10:40:16 2008 Received: (qmail 8359 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 08:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 08:40:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D58FC27B9; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:40:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:40:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4A2C307C for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:40:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8I8e1E4063870 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id m8I8dgL6073191 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:39:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m8I9h0Yq038740; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:43:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200809180943.m8I9h0Yq038740@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:39:06 -0700 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, olympus@ml.free.fr From: Richard Man Subject: [OM] Re: HK at sunset In-Reply-To: <60f983080809180129p4ef5ea3bqda6d4bd0d0ba3309@mail.gmail.co m> References: <23799948.281991221653372406.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <60f983080809170520v5ad77ed1pe1746b6fd75842fa@mail.gmail.com> <8935D1366BB64D47B2315035CB4C9C80@hudson> <60f983080809180129p4ef5ea3bqda6d4bd0d0ba3309@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 5.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 1605516 - de3743411458 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: richard-lists@imagecraft.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 10:40:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d213f074591869477228 Something odd. First of all, this is on the East side of the Convention Center, wouldn't that make it "Central" vintage point. Second, the light effect are photoshopped? I mean, look at the ferries, they don't move until the last frame! // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 12:33:48 2008 Received: (qmail 9464 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 10:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 10:33:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0DBC3D6A; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:33:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:33:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CFF2C3D7D for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:33:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21936 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2008 10:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.142.240) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 10:33:21 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48D21041.7070301@gmail.com> References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <9735EDFF-366E-4A0F-9077-75784447A918@people.net.au> <48D0C692.1040403@gmail.com> <4185DE94-981E-474C-8ED6-129776611DB7@people.net.au> <48D21041.7070301@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:33:27 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 12:33:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d22e8c300661470116606 On 18/09/2008, at 6:24 PM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> ... >> Personally I'm developing a currency system based around common >> Australian units - there'll be three snags to the pie, six pies to >> the pav and three pavs to the slab . Tourist will just have to get >> used to it. > > Nine pies to the pav. > > Cheers, > Marc (who believes a three-course meal can be all-dessert) > Noosa Heads, Oz > Depends on the pie, but if we're talking cheap snags, basic four&twenties, a reasonable Passionfruit pav and a slab of something decent, I think I have the rate right. Of course the yuppie Noosa gourmet effect necessitates some very complex currency exchange manoeuvres. Of course, the fundamental international common currency unit is the 'espresso'. (about AuPie 0.87). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 13:02:13 2008 Received: (qmail 32174 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 11:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 11:02:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E13DC35CE; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:01:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:01:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52C6C2D92 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:01:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 10263 invoked by uid 518); 18 Sep 2008 11:01:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20080918110154.10262.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 15/09/2008: our in-house photographer Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:01:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 75.160.164.73 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 13:02:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2353429831993019900 A bit of motion blur on the fingers of the left hand... but the rest of her looks just fine :-) Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Nathan Wajsman > Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 15/09/2008: our in-house photographer > Sent: Sep 18 '08 05:33 > > > After the latest round of acrimony on the LUG it might be appropriate   > with a picture of a blond girl with a camera :-) > > Our office uses a Leica Digilux II tethered to a PC to take our   > mugshots for the ID cards. We also have an in-house photographer who   > takes pictures when we have some internal event, or a visiting   > delegation from the European Parliament or some such. She uses a   > standard-issue Canon DSLR. Here she is at a function we had Monday   > night: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#374942092_D6zRw-O-LB > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 13:09:49 2008 Received: (qmail 31109 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 11:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 11:09:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E30C34F7; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:09:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:09:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD17C2F39 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:09:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14856 invoked by uid 518); 18 Sep 2008 11:09:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20080918110936.14855.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:09:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 75.160.164.73 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 13:09:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d236fd24881744846740 Yes, of course, provided you've maintained the source. But if you can do that maintaining another copy or two on the same type of media would seem to be both simpler and less costly. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Jez Cunningham > Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? > Sent: Sep 18 '08 08:18 > > > Er, you switch to another? > It's only backup. > Jez > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 6:36 AM, wrote: > > > Consider what happens when your backup provider goes out of business. > > > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 13:23:58 2008 Received: (qmail 11977 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 11:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 11:23:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C90C2DB1; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:23:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:23:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C95CC325C for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:23:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-162-92.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.162.92]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8IBNXDP027700 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:23:42 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:23:32 +1000 Message-ID: <88D06CD7E3B943FAA75F060515331BB9@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <20080918043627.2526.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> thread-index: AckZSClrj1EjDA91Sm2RP9IuIsRLaQAOMBCw Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 13:23:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d23a4e304181470116606 > > Consider what happens when your backup provider goes out of business. > That'd never happen ! ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 13:27:56 2008 Received: (qmail 22809 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 11:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 11:27:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7557FC3635; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:27:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:27:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C4BC3A66 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:27:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-162-92.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.162.92]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8IBRMQM008405 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:27:32 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:27:22 +1000 Message-ID: <3D3EFD99DA9B4941BF2346BD9827831E@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AckY4G3CIQs8GE5MSDGDW6S8f3euUAAoOsGA Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 13:27:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d23b3c47843675314703 > > Actually, I'm not exaggerating too much. My past history > with technology (pre marriage) made me a posterchild of > planned obsolescence--as much as my finances ever allowed. > "posterchild" - what's that ? ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 14:08:57 2008 Received: (qmail 11785 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 12:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 12:08:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15313C2E9E; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:08:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:08:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AFEC31C0 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:08:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7E00BHQ4E8M856@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:08:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:08:32 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking In-reply-to: <20080911150534.13842.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48D244C0.9030806@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080911150534.13842.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 14:08:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d244d93571035110158 Problem may be solved. I talked to a verizon tech guy and he was actually helpful. First he said that he would route mail that verizon is automatically blocking as spam into the spam folder found in the verizon email interface (that I never use). That way, at least, I'd see if olympus-owner@ml.free.fr was being filtered by them as spam. It is. He also said he'd talk to another tech guy to see if any mail from .fr was being filtered. When THEY block it, it doesn't even show up in mailwasher. There it was, the first email from the list dropped into the spam folder. So far, I have to go to the spam folder and mark it all as "not spam" but at least I get it. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 14:19:40 2008 Received: (qmail 7672 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 12:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 12:19:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1655C3632; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:19:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:19:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B5AC3254 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:19:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so2234367wah.17 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:19:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=lAzYpjWUHBD5oPEf+bFC3NNd1xdbxF9CO0BHisHlcZg=; b=W5Dndp5Nt2BV8PJNvu5Kiqr3nh2K/v0tpp6TzQo60Sb8W5Hen0dgp/xs1NAWIE75kV B1O4vgGtTJJ/XybN6QiSrCj7Mwb+1rc0rK4Yhxo6CvLr6enJopnWGyi0cH+VQWMTkkSQ uw2TuydZimj15E8vKRmWolwzwcAM36YKSnJks= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=UCNbJO6vnFReYw077+ip53mxIlcZJtoHWANsHPTZiX/15cTBXXzdpyJuj4lSOUUH2F ur+fb6XKJqVZFKNfIUytRokNRk7FhCNpz4vILFcsp+SjA+xd0xJQgQkL30e/apruahq5 J6tGMKwP9iwmj7u9sZKcGek0j5hwwVfU1+p1c= Received: by 10.114.72.1 with SMTP id u1mr3601490waa.159.1221740367098; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.107.3 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840809180519m19610d15k5733dd6fdc5de67c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:19:27 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? In-Reply-To: <20080918110936.14855.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080918110936.14855.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 95298266d9b2ad3d X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 14:19:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2475c292081744846740 Yes, agreed. For me I have backup hard-drive(s) and this is just a way to get some critical stuff backed-up off-site to cover the case of fire, flood, etc. (but not photos :-( cheers jez On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, wrote: > Yes, of course, provided you've maintained the source. But if you can do > that maintaining another copy or two on the same type of media would seem to > be both simpler and less costly. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Jez Cunningham > > Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? > > Sent: Sep 18 '08 08:18 > > > > > > Er, you switch to another? > > It's only backup. > > Jez > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 6:36 AM, wrote: > > > > > Consider what happens when your backup provider goes out of business. > > > > > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 14:48:46 2008 Received: (qmail 10050 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 12:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 12:48:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B32C3EDD; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:48:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:48:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.roc.nl (smtp.roc.nl [212.178.67.133]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4021C35E1 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:48:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from olaf2 ([212.178.64.254]) by atwork-133.r-212.178.67.atwork.nl (atwork-133.r-212.178.67.atwork.nl) (MDaemon.PRO.v8.0.2.R) with ESMTP id md50000004983.msg for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:43:37 +0200 Message-ID: <001101c9198c$88196010$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> From: "Olaf Greve" To: References: <03fe01c90e19$bdf57080$6601a8c0@hpd220> <041d01c90e1a$f7c967c0$6601a8c0@hpd220> Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE History? - Notes on TOPE 35 and TOPE 36 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:46:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Processed: atwork-133.r-212.178.67.atwork.nl, Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:43:37 +0200 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-MDRemoteIP: 212.178.64.254 X-Return-Path: ogreve@millennics.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ogreve@millennics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 14:48:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d24e2e206858512572685 Hi guys, Bob wrote: > Duh! I just went back and read that Olaf will be in Venezuela until the 14th > of Sept. The go live was supposed to be Aug 13. I imagine other priorities > came into prominence. I hope he has had a safe trip and returns safely. Indeed! Correct on all assumptions: I didn't manage to get it up and running prior to my trip, and when I was in Venezuela I tried sending Hans van Veluwen an e-mail to ask him to inform the list of the delay. I didn't see such a message upon my return, so I guess I sent my e-mail to an outdated address of his... Anyway, TOPE 35 is almost completely ready to go live (I'm waiting on one or two bigger images, and that's pretty much it). I'll aim for launching it next Wednesday, September 24th (or thereabouts), so if anyone still wants to submit something, they're welcome to do so. Then, meanwhile the shooting season for TOPE 36 "After Dark" has just opened, and the abstract of the theme is: "A totally different world emerges once the sun sets. For this theme, the idea is to show the aspects of that. For example, one can take pictures of nighttime animals, or perhaps some activities (like the city's nightlife) that only take place after the sun sets." Sooo, enough TOPE in the air... Hopefully many of us will go out and shoot some nice images for the various events! Cheers, Olafo ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 15:15:39 2008 Received: (qmail 28800 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 13:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 13:15:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFC1C2C39; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:15:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:15:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317AFC2D0E for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:15:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080918131520.GWRG2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:15:20 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.102.19.127]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id GDFL1a00E2kWG3G02DFM3K; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:15:21 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=LYBMAGd1q8MA:10 a=xmwBPcmMCZXgeyOfhx8A:9 a=4PQ0gkCgVuvNPwyM9NnGYmUq3bUA:4 a=AcZQ66N1Z8sA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <002601c91a0e$bbd12500$7f136644@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <20080918043627.2526.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:18:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 15:15:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2547b293022046811720 Consider what happens when your backup provider goes out of business. Chuck, You beat me to what I was going to say. I recall that a number of years ago one of the online album/storage businesses went out of business and gave clients about a month to get their photos off the server, and then dissapeared. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 16:05:56 2008 Received: (qmail 29205 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 14:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 14:05:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8531BC3CDA; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:05:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:05:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD04C2B1C for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:05:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 8162 invoked by uid 518); 18 Sep 2008 14:05:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20080918140542.8161.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:05:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 75.160.164.73 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 16:05:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2604462509117217770 And at least one has pulled the plug without warning. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Bill Pearce > Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? > Sent: Sep 19 '08 04:18 > > > > Consider what happens when your backup provider goes out of business. > > Chuck, > You beat me to what I was going to say. > > I recall that a number of years ago one of the online album/storage > businesses went out of business and gave clients about a month to get their > photos off the server, and then dissapeared. > > Bill Pearce > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 17:22:25 2008 Received: (qmail 28576 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 15:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 15:22:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9F3C3FE1; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:22:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:22:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380EAC2DDD for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:20:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so2129361nfi.19 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:20:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=mAtCqTaoJnZXmrD+pXC6i+5BegDsFgUZhRTsJ+2KjQg=; b=bgVGwcoIM5RpTtN8SY3zY7OreCqYO+q3cXeR1FNAkL/MA2s8JyOCgn8WvS7t/O2LIA cgSH06ybziOh7QLx7eJzEZEfy0CfSCEKX9TZa8TLdMCdo7ZDrxnFYWmx3OyVoPegwP0O AzgzkZm0N0lkJWLNjnSYYnxoX+lVBIqlAKyx8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=DhvTFMpL9hgsKRQNaNGTxsQ1yZrW2zUK/0vUCIUVpVo/gR2wAolZ0pQaSVIxLBRsPc unp5uGLTVFV1AMDM0ytRNnr3FX+Ci8roEg68lmTvEpEYYicf6IRLEM/3QCGj304rQ3Y9 C1OhPB6eFb+fpKwOqRhd/8SsKnMR9LAbvddO0= Received: by 10.86.52.6 with SMTP id z6mr834127fgz.48.1221751258404; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.29.1 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0809180820p7f47da12l84d56c41c12e5322@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:20:58 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking In-Reply-To: <48D244C0.9030806@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080911150534.13842.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> <48D244C0.9030806@verizon.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 17:22:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2723161171035110158 John, I had the same problem with the provider here at work. I'd call IT and have them remove the List from the spam blocker list, but inevitably it would get put back on and no more postings. The solution for me was to open a G-mail account to receive the List. Works great and has the added benefit that I can access it anywhere. Charlie On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 8:08 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > > Problem may be solved. I talked to a verizon tech guy and he was > actually helpful. First he said that he would route mail that verizon > is automatically blocking as spam into the spam folder found in the > verizon email interface (that I never use). That way, at least, I'd see > if olympus-owner@ml.free.fr was being filtered by them as spam. It is. > He also said he'd talk to another tech guy to see if any mail from .fr > was being filtered. When THEY block it, it doesn't even show up in > mailwasher. > There it was, the first email from the list dropped into the spam > folder. So far, I have to go to the spam folder and mark it all as "not > spam" but at least I get it. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 18:39:27 2008 Received: (qmail 24288 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 16:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 16:39:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B95C2EDF; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:39:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:39:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D600C2F4D for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:39:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so30603220gxk.17 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:39:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=WAoI9qN3AvPdUTRg6HqTlQC74BqPASgw8s77vlAZFP4=; b=orlZuRmx//RyP4aviT1NsO9KMU8hRxepEOXyaYvWaIhE43rq3gqq1a75EF2ZLofEHS /+kLGrO/wlpFbldMHcq/0d2ct1fqH9p3SHfg+2XeTcYAwHDQ29ncrkBHDpE8QwF8VsYZ pmOnLxT5fxXpwfVrA2MTvs273nsdYrCQCW0pA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=k7sJMYsT+d1Qr3fi/la63aQTlqWjaczPVAKvEU1WueV/DDo/pKJydEfIewwgH+1iHd 1Rln6lNXFZ8bb3ofZjUf+zoJeN3v9tl7ttl98/q4sw8uO3Nv/nN2d+8fek49fAllqR+b 1Ne6FzSDvT6ITgaRQIDmMndnqWGGWp/AvHbzU= Received: by 10.90.120.17 with SMTP id s17mr5341433agc.109.1221755953720; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:39:13 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII In-Reply-To: <20080918050153.20536.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080918050153.20536.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1e4332685d17b61b X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 18:39:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2843f297738512572685 Chuck wrote: >One of the primary reasons I bought a 5D is that it not only focuses fast and accurately but it also >does so in extremely low light... and in complete darkness with the focus assist light on the flash. > If you want to test your autofocus try it on a dark dance floor at a wedding reception after the DJ >has turned down the lights. The 5D with a 2.8 lens handles that just fine. So does my E-1. Albeit, it may take a few minutes... AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 19:27:35 2008 Received: (qmail 13813 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 17:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 17:27:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB844C3F82; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:27:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:27:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B78C3DF0 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080918172720H0500e66ire>; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:27:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <485D82A00A7E46219903CF4966B661F2@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20080911150534.13842.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> <48D244C0.9030806@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:27:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 19:27:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d28f8740881744846740 John, Most ISPs allow you to identify exceptions to their blocking criteria. You might contact your helpful Verizon guy and see if that can be done. I had to do that once with AT&T. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking > > Problem may be solved. I talked to a verizon tech guy and he was > actually helpful. First he said that he would route mail that verizon > is automatically blocking as spam into the spam folder found in the > verizon email interface (that I never use). That way, at least, I'd see > if olympus-owner@ml.free.fr was being filtered by them as spam. It is. > He also said he'd talk to another tech guy to see if any mail from .fr > was being filtered. When THEY block it, it doesn't even show up in > mailwasher. > There it was, the first email from the list dropped into the spam > folder. So far, I have to go to the spam folder and mark it all as "not > spam" but at least I get it. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 20:11:47 2008 Received: (qmail 11888 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 18:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 18:11:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9537C34C3; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:11:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:11:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09244C2838 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:11:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17457 invoked by uid 502); 18 Sep 2008 18:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.160.203) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 18 Sep 2008 18:11:33 -0000 Message-ID: <48D299C8.3060803@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:11:20 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? References: <3D3EFD99DA9B4941BF2346BD9827831E@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: <3D3EFD99DA9B4941BF2346BD9827831E@meo.dec.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 20:11:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d299e354761591313764 Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Actually, I'm not exaggerating too much. My past history with technology (pre marriage) made me a posterchild of planned obsolescence--as much as my finances ever allowed > "posterchild" - what's that ? > I believe he means that he was an eager buyer (sometimes only wannabe) of the latest shiny new, techie toys. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 21:51:50 2008 Received: (qmail 12532 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 19:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 19:51:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02474C30B1; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:51:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:51:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59211C28CA for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:51:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so30905845gxk.17 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:51:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=uG/RF+VMsCBUc9K2xgNUwE777I0cdkh7LCOWCKJCA1k=; b=AkurWs4pdjrBMMaU1D6IR5BW43hF24HzwCfsvrDVtWr8LJ5pEv34QkZYwbCg8W3Kep coKDH8bASBaOEas9N8Djzzni8d0DHAxIcmKejPI5sqZOqxvk4+udJwvrxDnjimnucx6d rc3WlXtyCvP5pQoCSoYD7NteiEkez2nUJIQ2E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=NXjTbM3PJ8TFlK3bqMjuKXwAwC+Ps/o6vuW7k9TzJ3nTRsKxHqCGeqqdEjacEaKGqV uZjcwNxqYT2r3aCfmoQLzBevzeece6NYlmVxOpOpLYxiIuciQF6U8iZbNx3qKfRlsxU2 jpjK4IboR4KqVXzaWUCGEplyJi4MikNjCeboQ= Received: by 10.90.36.16 with SMTP id j16mr5601397agj.87.1221767497319; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:51:37 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <9735EDFF-366E-4A0F-9077-75784447A918@people.net.au> <48D0C692.1040403@gmail.com> <4185DE94-981E-474C-8ED6-129776611DB7@people.net.au> <48D21041.7070301@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f459dba1571b4181 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 21:51:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2b156253751234514069 > Personally I'm developing a currency system based around common > Australian units - there'll be three snags to the pie, six pies to > the pav and three pavs to the slab . Tourist will just have to get > used to it. How many Zlotychs is that? AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 22:07:13 2008 Received: (qmail 3963 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 20:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 20:07:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43559C2EE3; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:06:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:06:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97C6C3133 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:06:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27257 invoked by uid 502); 18 Sep 2008 20:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.206.68) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 18 Sep 2008 20:06:41 -0000 Message-ID: <48D2B4D0.6010205@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:06:40 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <9735EDFF-366E-4A0F-9077-75784447A918@people.net.au> <48D0C692.1040403@gmail.com> <66075316-B10B-4BC2-9BF5-190FFE51E0A4@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <66075316-B10B-4BC2-9BF5-190FFE51E0A4@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 22:07:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2b4f116461702588592 Chris Barker wrote: > I had noticed that, Moose. It's very considerate of you, but it does confuse me sometimes ... :-) > Keeps you on your toes, I hope. A. Toe Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 22:14:30 2008 Received: (qmail 402 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 20:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 20:14:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDE7C2C51; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:14:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:14:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8E1C2AB0 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:14:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so30938456gxk.17 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:14:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=K7Et8sq7P5ybzQ9Dem2pUNiRB/B4FhGIJwqyLs+uGVg=; b=fXeyH+/zlK5aYQL1rQh/K85l1GziCHeJVVANRMDR4jj1dSd5s1OkfJBP96N7s1QxP0 9kFl1xrCW+mb/rXkEP17rDn1X4mdQv5x6ZJxHun2dtoXTHQLwdnnaMF2x3tC8C5JuTsA yajsJ6Khtpin9ipPKc9NjqJDAt/7ckikK6DkA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=HbPPtW2sVhysLI2PbEuAMUhDIUzSq+sM/gFhfIXFRCupmllPIKDghaAw5g00Ef/2CB SSN0CZwhc1tZSHXWe4bBNg9w9CkjX5f/u0PrCJr21epWAjT7rGap1wMruGrKi5Bt+qGo B9rPi/9NhIjLZ0UNkUzU6sXVyiMJR7fm61n7g= Received: by 10.100.108.20 with SMTP id g20mr5966906anc.105.1221768857185; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.96.5 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <25b37d100809181314g5384cc2cy9e753c1d39f1e667@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:14:17 -0400 From: "James Howe" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhoweaa@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 22:14:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2b6a688601234514069 I have a yearly subscription for Mozy and I use it to create an off-site backup of my digital negatives and other key files. It does have the drawback of taking a long time to upload (sometimes days at 1/mbs) but I feel better having images stored off site. I also have a couple of local backups, one on a RAID 1 drive so Mozy is really only likely to be used in a rare circumstance. That being said, even the best laid plans can mess you up. I've been using some auto-sync software to keep my local backup drives in sync. Ultimately Mozy gets data from one of my local drives. However, I made the mistake of deleting some files that I didn't really mean to, and I didn't realize it until a few weeks later. By that time, my file syncing had deleted the files from the local drive, and Mozy had deleted them from their site and I couldn't go back far enough on Mozy to find a backup where the files existed. 200 digital images gone like that due to my stupidity. All I have left are some thumbnails generated by Lightroom. On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:09 AM, wrote: > > Is anybody using Carbonite to back up their files? If so, is this a > reasonable alternative to owning a bunch of external hard drives? $50 a > year seems > like a reasonable price. Bill Barber > -- James Howe ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 22:40:18 2008 Received: (qmail 4901 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 20:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 20:40:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22FB7C39F7; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:40:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:40:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95823C348C for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:40:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27131 invoked by uid 502); 18 Sep 2008 20:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.167.81) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 18 Sep 2008 20:40:04 -0000 Message-ID: <48D2BC99.1020301@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:39:53 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? References: <25b37d100809181314g5384cc2cy9e753c1d39f1e667@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <25b37d100809181314g5384cc2cy9e753c1d39f1e667@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 22:40:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2bcb2252494673671140 James Howe wrote: > .... > > That being said, even the best laid plans can mess you up. I've been using some auto-sync software to keep my local backup drives in sync. Ultimately Mozy gets data from one of my local drives. However, I made the mistake of deleting some files that I didn't really mean to, and I didn't realize it until a few weeks later. By that time, my file syncing had deleted the files from the local drive, and Mozy had deleted them from their site and I couldn't go back far enough on Mozy to find a backup where the files existed. 200 digital images gone like that due to my stupidity. All I have left are some thumbnails generated by Lightroom. > Bummer! That's why I don't do auto back-ups by synching, only by incrementing. I can wipe out an old version with a new version of the same name, but deletions on the backups are only made with intentional care. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 22:46:08 2008 Received: (qmail 14720 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 20:46:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 20:46:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B04C34B1; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:45:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:45:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C7AC2EFB for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:45:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KgQNw-00007j-8C for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:45:56 +0100 Received: from [82.35.25.190] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KgQNv-0000IC-OX for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:45:55 +0100 Message-Id: <19E9FE6F-44FB-408A-AF34-39331DB4D67E@mailcan.com> From: James R To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <25b37d100809181314g5384cc2cy9e753c1d39f1e667@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:45:55 +0100 References: <25b37d100809181314g5384cc2cy9e753c1d39f1e667@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: londonjames@mailcan.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 22:46:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2be10129891234514069 Hopefully something like Apple's time machine would allow for old enough copies to avoid situations like that. But at what size level of files to be backed up does the thing become so slow as to unworkable? With my mediocre 2Mb download and 256k upload it seems a daunting task to upload my 670Gb of data on my backup drive. I make that 726 hours to upload or about 30 days. And that's without any network slowdown. Carbonyte's 15 day trial wouldn't be much use. It's great news that the service exists though. I currently take my 1Tb backup hard drive with me when I leave home for any significant time (it went for a nice two week holiday in Brittany this summer), but I still need something off-site. James On 18 Sep 2008, at 21:14, James Howe wrote: > > I have a yearly subscription for Mozy and I use it to create an off- > site > backup of my digital negatives and other key files. It does have the > drawback of taking a long time to upload (sometimes days at 1/mbs) > but I > feel better having images stored off site. I also have a couple of > local > backups, one on a RAID 1 drive so Mozy is really only likely to be > used in a > rare circumstance. > > That being said, even the best laid plans can mess you up. I've > been using > some auto-sync software to keep my local backup drives in sync. > Ultimately > Mozy gets data from one of my local drives. However, I made the > mistake of > deleting some files that I didn't really mean to, and I didn't > realize it > until a few weeks later. By that time, my file syncing had deleted > the > files from the local drive, and Mozy had deleted them from their > site and I > couldn't go back far enough on Mozy to find a backup where the files > existed. 200 digital images gone like that due to my stupidity. > All I have > left are some thumbnails generated by Lightroom. > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:09 AM, wrote: > >> >> Is anybody using Carbonite to back up their files? If so, is this a >> reasonable alternative to owning a bunch of external hard drives? >> $50 a >> year seems >> like a reasonable price. Bill Barber >> > > > > -- > James Howe > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 23:29:10 2008 Received: (qmail 22063 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 21:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 21:29:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38040C2F53; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:28:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:28:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 93D91C27F2 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:28:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30203 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2008 21:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.142.240) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 21:28:39 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <9735EDFF-366E-4A0F-9077-75784447A918@people.net.au> <48D0C692.1040403@gmail.com> <4185DE94-981E-474C-8ED6-129776611DB7@people.net.au> <48D21041.7070301@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <531E7B62-A1A5-4E53-AF5B-7BC6E57F6BC0@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:28:48 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 23:29:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2c826209051529615919 On 19/09/2008, at 5:51 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > >> Personally I'm developing a currency system based around common >> Australian units - there'll be three snags to the pie, six pies to >> the pav and three pavs to the slab . Tourist will just have to get >> used to it. > How many Zlotychs is that? > > AG Good question - it's a long time since I used zlotys - I suspect about three miliion to the pie. The advantage of my currency system is that, in the event of a crash, currency meltdown, etc., you still eat. The 'slab' is a common unit of currency in the construction industry - for those not in the know, it's 24 cans of beer shrink-wrapped into a flat brick. It is used as follows - "How much dya want for that scrap timber over there?" "Oh, coupla slabs orta do it." There's a few parts of my house paid for in that way. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au www.pbase.com/afildes -- No attachments (even text) are allowed -- -- Type: multipart/appledouble ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Sep 18 23:33:17 2008 Received: (qmail 23511 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 21:33:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 21:33:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66ADC2FE9; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:33:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:33:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A06C2C05 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:33:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so70005wah.17 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:33:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=AUTZkjBuQAXnawvmptcEBiOVAnwcVoOwPM7GAdFIQUo=; b=JCW1QhFP7sz9/KSK/q9ZmiKz60UPmXcdacTC3RTqXXrbXf6WKyxvRxOvsPYkvO5F9u HCSqjwYGCi8kcTz347LV5i8Tw/Gx+rpNZDePDXGwu/R8NawokxPLln9IZwJODMOrXx/k FgWWUY8IMSFvBVrjen5CK9QYo0J+mG3/QIKJY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=j+RqRjEpbH9u/qA8JPpHjUEhlgXlhP+JO/La6cH0Bfz8OJjAQdeAzjBz4QbeMPIMbT BPiJADrI7pmogBNnsbYGsH8pig1rRpsbpTMkzSYK0tjN4g9deaos1MfAHrZoOtINhL9B nPfCGegw6aPAJf3tM/ZHZBX+vugIwYRNxSVUU= Received: by 10.114.209.1 with SMTP id h1mr4545089wag.36.1221773583776; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.107.3 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840809181433ya3a8ba0jd21dcacd7e171e39@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:33:03 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? In-Reply-To: <19E9FE6F-44FB-408A-AF34-39331DB4D67E@mailcan.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <25b37d100809181314g5384cc2cy9e753c1d39f1e667@mail.gmail.com> <19E9FE6F-44FB-408A-AF34-39331DB4D67E@mailcan.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9ac183e65b83b033 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Sep 18 23:33:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2c91d154737350615338 What level of off-site-ness do you want to protect against? Your house burning down, or the whole neighborhood being hit by a plane or a flood?? If only(!) the former, maybe your neighbor could host a wifi network drive and you could backup a few tens of meters away? (And of you can do the same for him) (I can see/sniff 2 other wifi networks from my home) Jez On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:45 PM, James R wrote: > > Hopefully something like Apple's time machine would allow for old > enough copies to avoid situations like that. But at what size level of > files to be backed up does the thing become so slow as to unworkable? > With my mediocre 2Mb download and 256k upload it seems a daunting task > to upload my 670Gb of data on my backup drive. I make that 726 hours > to upload or about 30 days. And that's without any network slowdown. > Carbonyte's 15 day trial wouldn't be much use. > > It's great news that the service exists though. I currently take my > 1Tb backup hard drive with me when I leave home for any significant > time (it went for a nice two week holiday in Brittany this summer), > but I still need something off-site. > > James > > > > On 18 Sep 2008, at 21:14, James Howe wrote: > > > > > I have a yearly subscription for Mozy and I use it to create an off- > > site > > backup of my digital negatives and other key files. It does have the > > drawback of taking a long time to upload (sometimes days at 1/mbs) > > but I > > feel better having images stored off site. I also have a couple of > > local > > backups, one on a RAID 1 drive so Mozy is really only likely to be > > used in a > > rare circumstance. > > > > That being said, even the best laid plans can mess you up. I've > > been using > > some auto-sync software to keep my local backup drives in sync. > > Ultimately > > Mozy gets data from one of my local drives. However, I made the > > mistake of > > deleting some files that I didn't really mean to, and I didn't > > realize it > > until a few weeks later. By that time, my file syncing had deleted > > the > > files from the local drive, and Mozy had deleted them from their > > site and I > > couldn't go back far enough on Mozy to find a backup where the files > > existed. 200 digital images gone like that due to my stupidity. > > All I have > > left are some thumbnails generated by Lightroom. > > > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:09 AM, wrote: > > > >> > >> Is anybody using Carbonite to back up their files? If so, is this a > >> reasonable alternative to owning a bunch of external hard drives? > >> $50 a > >> year seems > >> like a reasonable price. Bill Barber > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > James Howe > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 00:02:35 2008 Received: (qmail 29687 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 22:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 22:02:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E8CC2B5E; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:02:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:02:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E406C3726 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:02:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so331168fge.11 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:02:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=x1RLGjlAX+/kAEYBuqr5KGDFYa4cZKv1MXlsR5Sapws=; b=n8bV4e4ylTlpTPRO8iOMYphnjBTtkw2kCcP+Xd6YAuXaslPx+fTVToXQyJdY0kHMz2 QuI6FjfMxyVDjq/UKS8ImINK3f4Zcph68NnGgtzOcYONgALtiyBQ5C0an5x1ymvZYfeW F+mZnf884BJ7aXzWT3nxHjZdljAMzVubPBy7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=xGK3hPt0x3+13LgmOETB0RijrwlC4dfFZv+Sxkw8UfYo5pwAu8/25lVHNENDAahIBi nqeNCdChYH4NnUassFyxkfa0JeGcIeDeErPV18otZ6PI1ez/ar94kzVNCTm8jXQ/cQ3R cAFViQdSWWirnXaKu8uCMPANsBpp8MpQhb7x0= Received: by 10.86.82.16 with SMTP id f16mr1290190fgb.9.1221775338381; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.60.7 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:02:18 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] vacation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 00:02:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2cffb302025368819438 Well, I'm heading for Bulgaria again, and possibly Greece... Back on the 14th october. I'll check in when I can, and maybe even post some photos, but I'm setting the vacation flag for a while. Have a good month. Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 00:43:11 2008 Received: (qmail 28710 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 22:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 22:42:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5817AC33B6; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:42:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:42:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF97AC31F7 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:42:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24395 invoked by uid 502); 18 Sep 2008 22:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.201.79) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 18 Sep 2008 22:42:46 -0000 Message-ID: <48D2D95B.4000106@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:42:35 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: vacation References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 00:43:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2d97f11377350615338 Tom Fenwick wrote: > Well, I'm heading for Bulgaria again, and possibly Greece... Back on the 14th october. I'll check in when I can, and maybe even post some photos, but I'm setting the vacation flag for a while. > Have a good month. > Sounds like a good trip. Have a great time! Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 01:05:49 2008 Received: (qmail 11369 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2008 23:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 23:05:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C768C2DC4; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:05:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:05:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C224DC36D2 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:05:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 8275 invoked by uid 502); 18 Sep 2008 23:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.205.93) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 18 Sep 2008 23:05:32 -0000 Message-ID: <48D2DEBA.4090504@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:05:30 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird References: <3D52A244E02048138C1BD5129726FC76@jimnichols> <48CE5A2A.5010603@verizon.net> <096DCC86F0264E68ACA143672A883177@jimnichols> <14883a8b0809150945j22d2ed57m68a205f71e5746fe@mail.gmail.com> <111FFFB508854113B512FFF62EB25154@jimnichols> <023d01c917e2$4840bde0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <536904E17066446590ACD94DBDF9B91C@jimnichols> <30D0CB20-4E34-48D6-80F4-6A9F55B13178@people.net.au> <08E78EE16BEA42788D14EF09814F5103@jimnichols> <48D06DDB.9000508@gmail.com> <9735EDFF-366E-4A0F-9077-75784447A918@people.net.au> <48D0C692.1040403@gmail.com> <4185DE94-981E-474C-8ED6-129776611DB7@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <4185DE94-981E-474C-8ED6-129776611DB7@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 01:05:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2decd203202336821329 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Shame you guys metricised your currency so long ago, in the French style. Took all the fun out of it. > The root of the US Dollar is the Spanish eight Real coin, or Piece of Eight, so called because it was commonly cut into eight pieces, like a pizza. It does seem to have fallen out of favor, but there are still a lot of us around who understand 25 cents, or 2/8ths, to be two bits, half a dollar to be four bits, etc. The US stock exchanges quoted stock prices in 8ths. until 1997, traceable directly back to the Spansih coinage that was legal tender in the US until 1857. > I suppose the Imperial system would be far more intuitive to those with twelve fingers and sixteen toes - what part of the Ozarks did you grow up in? > I assume you are still talking about coinage. I really don't care about that area. Money is such an intimate part of most human life taht it doesn't matter how silly the system is, everyone will fully understand it. You know perfectly well that I was referring to the Metric system of weights and measures. My simple objection is that the old English system of length measures related to human scale and the body in ordinary use. The first knuckle of my index finger is about an inch long. My foot is about a foot long. From nose to extended fingertip is a yard. I'm two yards tall. Somehow, I prefer something of human scale and meaning to a decimal subdivision of a measurement of the Earth (and inaccurately done at that) or the distance traveled by light in pure vacuum (assuming there is such a thing) in ^1 ⁄_299,792,458 of a second. I guess my objections to weight and volume measures are more philosophic, as they were originally based on the meter and are now based on physical standard objects, just like their predecessors. I suspect that 12 became a part of measures and especially of coinage because it divides into 1/2, 1/3 and 1/4 without requiring fractional parts of the sub-measure. Likewise, 16 divides down quite far without requiring partial amounts of the sub-measure. They made a lot of sense in practical marketplaces. I suppose one may deduce the centrality of time to the experience of human consciousness from the failure of decimal time, introduced along with the decimalized metric system. It sank almost instantly and without a trace. > But I wondered about that snarl directed at the height of the age of reductionism - I thought that we were still climbing towards that and were leagues, or at least versts away from the summit. > The effort to impose rational order and precision on the observable universe was part of a spiritual and philosophical revolution. As knowledge of the deeper nature of the universe in areas like quantum theory, relativity, chaos and complexity theories and cosmological theories and discoveries, the Cartesian revolution and its children look more and more like a quaint mythology for understanding a very small sub-set of all of nature. It still seems to be part of popular belief about science that accumulation of enough information combined with sufficient computational power will allow precise and absolute knowledge about the workings of the natural world. That's what they taught me growing up as a science nerd. Chaos theory has pretty much put paid to that, but it and the other changes that have outdated the Cartesian legacy have not yet coalesced into a new cultural mythology to replace it. Quantum theory and other discoveries and theories seem to be pointing in a direction where even causality starts to seem only to be the outward appearance to conscious resident in small, localized parts of the greater universe of deeper forces that may well be a-causal and non-local. The endless efforts to extend the Cartesian model beyond the limited areas where it is useful will likely be viewed in the future as mythological failures. There is a theory about the otherwise puzzling collapse of some pre-historic societies of considerable age and sophistication. It proposes that their religion and society were essentially the same and were based, from purely religious practice to practical matters like planting, on astrological measurement. However, they had not discovered, and so did not understand, the effect of the precession of the earth's axis. As the markers in the sky started to betray variation from their religious beliefs (Mythology), the basis of their societies failed and they collapsed. I'm not proposing a similar collapse, only that the beliefs of the Age of Reason may be in an analogous position today, no longer coinciding with observation. They haven't ever agreed with the experience many many people have of the universe. Their power to change the immediate world and their agreement with and support of dominant psycho-spiritual belief systems has led them into ascendence. Many say that these have now led us into an untenable position as inhabitant's of an ecosystem we are destroying. I'm not sure whether that is simply true, whether the material manifestation is a symptom of a psycho-spiritual upheaval, or indeed, whether it is possible to separate the two. It seems clear to me at least that the end of the Age of Reason and a purely reductionist approach to understanding of the nature of our universe is fading. What that change will be like, whether simple relatively cultural change or something more apocalyptic, is pretty hard to see from within its midst, let alone what may follow. > Now I believe that you can use a diamond nail file to rub away the ISO on the button of your new 5D Mk2 - one of those natty little white fineliner pens will do to write ASA in it's place. Just a new standards agency's name on the same numbers. No need to change the label. > Of course it will be a bit tricky if you'd rather use DIN, or GOST. As above, I wasn't speaking to this area, but the same rule of using numbers that make sense applies. The GOST system would have been OK, it works like ASA/ISO, doubling for each stop. A system that adds one for each stop would be OK too. Anything that can be calculated in the photographer's head easily. The DIN log scale is useless because it doesn't make sense in use. One has to memorize the speeds, rather than being able to quickly calculate them in one's head. Too late, I suppose, but a system more linear in nature would be more intuitive. I suppose non-photographers are more impressed by the huge numbers now showing up. Somehow, I know it takes my brain a second to reduce ISO 25,600 to six stops over ISO 400, rather than being such a big number it seems like infinity speed. :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 02:15:19 2008 Received: (qmail 13345 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 00:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 00:15:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933A6C3885; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:15:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:15:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330F6C3691 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:15:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K7F00KJS216QUA0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:15:06 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-78-86.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.78.86]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:04:18 -0300 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:15:38 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: vacation To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <669F187081A543C5985FAB9AF7D70755@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Am4TAFyM0kgYik5W/2dsb2JhbACBXogUsDIDgWI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,424,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="364136031" References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 02:15:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2ef17212511869477228 What is the special connection with Bulgaria? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fenwick" To: Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: [OM] vacation > Well, I'm heading for Bulgaria again, and possibly Greece... Back on the > 14th october. I'll check in when I can, and maybe even post some photos, > but I'm setting the vacation flag for a while. > Have a good month. > > Tom > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 02:53:46 2008 Received: (qmail 9532 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 00:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 00:53:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1575C3310; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:53:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:53:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6513C34C6 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:53:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7841 invoked by uid 502); 19 Sep 2008 00:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.0.142) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 19 Sep 2008 00:53:33 -0000 Message-ID: <48D2F80A.6050108@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:53:30 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? References: <25b37d100809181314g5384cc2cy9e753c1d39f1e667@mail.gmail.com> <19E9FE6F-44FB-408A-AF34-39331DB4D67E@mailcan.com> In-Reply-To: <19E9FE6F-44FB-408A-AF34-39331DB4D67E@mailcan.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 02:53:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d2f81a125691342116753 James R wrote: > .... But at what size level of files to be backed up does the thing become so slow as to unworkable? > With my mediocre 2Mb download and 256k upload it seems a daunting task to upload my 670Gb of data on my backup drive. I make that 726 hours to upload or about 30 days. And that's without any network slowdown. Carbonyte's 15 day trial wouldn't be much use. > I'm not planning to use on-line at this time. However, if I were to do so, I would use an incremental back-up strategy. I'm in the same speed situation as you are for upload speed, so the initial load(s) would be very long. But subsequent back-ups of new and altered files would be much quicker, especially if done often, shich is not a bad plan anyway. > It's great news that the service exists though. I currently take my 1Tb backup hard drive with me when I leave home for any significant time (it went for a nice two week holiday in Brittany this summer), but I still need something off-site. > That sounds to me like inviting a loss from car, hotel room, whatever. Isn't there someone with a secure home who can babysit it? Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 05:10:44 2008 Received: (qmail 8190 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 03:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 03:10:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A27C351F; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:10:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:10:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25F4C34BB for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:10:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.c65.31b00a06 (34918) for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA033-886648d317d216b; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:09:06 -0400 Received: from FWM-M20 (fwm-m20.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.84]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA036-5c5848d317c520d; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:08:53 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE History? - Notes on TOPE 35 and TOPE 36 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:08:52 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38839-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.84) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:08:52 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAE81C2E1E614C-119C-3E3F@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 05:10:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d31834125651023412894 Thanks Olafo, Hope you had a nice trip. Mike Indeed! Correct on all assumptions: I didn't manage to get it up and running prior to my trip, and when I was in Venezuela I tried sending Hans van Veluwen an e-mail to ask him to inform the list of the delay. I didn't see such a message upon my return, so I guess I sent my e-mail to an outdated address of his... Anyway, TOPE 35 is almost completely ready to go live (I'm waiting on one or two bigger images, and that's pretty much it). I'll aim for launching it next Wednesday, September 24th (or thereabouts), so if anyone still wants to submit something, they're welcome to do so. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 05:20:33 2008 Received: (qmail 32416 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 03:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 03:20:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E4EC3354; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:20:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:20:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAED9C3329 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:20:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.c00.4300ba26 (37556) for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB035-92b448d31a6fa7; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:20:15 -0400 Received: from FWM-M20 (fwm-m20.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.84]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA015-5bae48d31a6a141; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:20:10 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:20:10 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38839-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.84) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:20:10 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAE81DC1E417EF-119C-3EC0@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 05:20:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d31a8178025368819438 No looking to gore any bull here. I was licking my chops at the preview on DPR and just meandered to the forum for a quicik look during a hectic day and was taken aback by the venom. I think some was directed at the AF/fps tracking fast objects for birders and sports photog. I suppose 5K more for the 1Dx has to do something better. I'll wait for objective data/ opinions from trusted list members and not meander back to the swamp soon. Mike One of the primary reasons I bought a 5D is that it not only focuses fast and accurately but it also does so in extremely low light.. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 05:51:31 2008 Received: (qmail 2786 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 03:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 03:51:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBEBC338D; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:51:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:51:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD63C3244 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:51:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2B231409B for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F77F31408C for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48D321B7.9000200@interisland.net> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:51:19 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080918-0, 09/18/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 05:51:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d321c394861702588592 > > Too late, I suppose, but a system more linear in nature would be more intuitive. The metric system is intuitive and logical. Unfortunately realized by ivory tower types rather than carpenters. mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 06:07:57 2008 Received: (qmail 12311 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 04:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 04:07:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAC2C32FE; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:07:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:07:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26238C31AA for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:07:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([98.18.110.84]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080919040743.MUEM10841.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:07:43 -0500 Received: from XPS400.alltel.net ([98.18.110.84]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080919040743.OBOG3199.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:07:43 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:07:46 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, olympus@ml.free.fr From: Johnny Johnson Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII In-Reply-To: <8CAE81DC1E417EF-119C-3EC0@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAE81DC1E417EF-119C-3EC0@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20080919040743.OBOG3199.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ni7OL2unA+IFvKTZgvZ6mA==:17 a=A1PQG2GiUXObkZQdBvIA:9 a=oq7lA6gUpBRRroGdA88A:7 a=lTwtEmYF3vvFs90EC8yCH-HOJqkA:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=_KtGf5bnNxAA:10 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jjohnso4@alltel.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 06:07:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d3259d272361591313764 At 11:20 PM 9/18/2008, usher99@aol.com wrote: >No looking to gore any bull here. I was licking my chops at the >preview on DPR and just meandered to the forum for a quicik look during >a hectic day and was taken aback by the venom. I think some was >directed at the AF/fps tracking fast objects for birders and sports >photog. That's pretty much my read on the situation too Mike. Also, there were some wedding photographers that were hoping for improvements in the precision of the outer focusing points. Most of the complainers seemed to be expecting a completely different camera - less MPs with upgrades to the focus and frame rate. Something similar to a scaled down 1DIII maybe? If there aren't any nasty surprises once the camera starts being delivered I'll probably upgrade to one. The extra resolution should be nice for large landscape prints. Later, Johnny __________________________ Johnny Johnson Cleveland, GA mailto:jjohnso4@alltel.net ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 06:22:57 2008 Received: (qmail 20541 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 04:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 04:22:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850E8C2EB6; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:22:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:22:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06BB4C3401 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:22:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19364 invoked by uid 502); 19 Sep 2008 04:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.185.198) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 19 Sep 2008 04:22:44 -0000 Message-ID: <48D32910.9060007@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:22:40 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird References: <48D321B7.9000200@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48D321B7.9000200@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 06:22:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d32921154737350615338 Mike wrote: >> Too late, I suppose, but a system more linear in nature would be more intuitive. >> You do realize that the above sentence was not written about the Metric system at all? I was talking about measures of film/sensor light sensitivity. Nice to know someone read down that far. :-) > The metric system is intuitive and logical. Unfortunately realized by ivory tower types rather than carpenters. > Yup. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 07:06:37 2008 Received: (qmail 5811 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 05:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 05:06:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEA2C3214; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04430C311E for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82321C9958 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:22:52 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: vacation Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:06:25 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 07:06:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d3335d20891529615919 Have fun, chum. Chris On 18 Sep 2008, at 23:02, Tom Fenwick wrote: > Well, I'm heading for Bulgaria again, and possibly Greece... Back > on the > 14th october. I'll check in when I can, and maybe even post some > photos, > but I'm setting the vacation flag for a while. > Have a good month. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 07:17:32 2008 Received: (qmail 14916 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 05:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 05:17:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CEDC2C04; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:17:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:17:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238FFC2AE9 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:17:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F6BC990E for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:33:47 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840809181433ya3a8ba0jd21dcacd7e171e39@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:17:20 +0100 References: <25b37d100809181314g5384cc2cy9e753c1d39f1e667@mail.gmail.com> <19E9FE6F-44FB-408A-AF34-39331DB4D67E@mailcan.com> <9f07ac840809181433ya3a8ba0jd21dcacd7e171e39@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 07:17:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d335ec216431823421471 That's not a bad idea, Jez ... Chris On 18 Sep 2008, at 22:33, Jez Cunningham wrote: > What level of off-site-ness do you want to protect against? Your > house > burning down, or the whole neighborhood being hit by a plane or a > flood?? > > If only(!) the former, maybe your neighbor could host a wifi network > drive > and you could backup a few tens of meters away? (And of you can do > the same > for him) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 08:18:24 2008 Received: (qmail 2527 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 06:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 06:18:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5798C2E89; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:18:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:18:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51BEC2FD6 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:18:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080919061809H030024dete>; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:18:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <251D221271FD49D5A21045D859FE1C2C@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Subject: [OM] IMG: Occasional Friday Flower Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:18:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 08:18:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d344305711073733319 For several weeks I have noticed a flower that is determined to survive our drought, left totally to its own devices. My neighbor across the street is a prize-winning gardener, and, when she cleans up the flower beds, she piles the discarded plant material at the streetside for our once-a-month pickup. This zinnia apparently took root and has thrived, despite being rooted in roadside gravel. For its perseverance, I nominate it as a Friday Flower. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Determination.tif.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 08:37:38 2008 Received: (qmail 28876 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 06:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 06:37:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5496CC3207; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:37:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:37:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0144AC2B10 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:37:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.88]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8J6bMPY007464 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:37:23 +1000 Message-Id: <200809190637.m8J6bMPY007464@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:37:22 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:37:22 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: Micro 4/3 rangefinder? X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 08:37:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d348b1280521585427447 > Moose wrote: > > I believe he means that he was an eager buyer (sometimes only wannabe) > of the latest shiny new, techie toys. > > Thanks Moose ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 08:51:30 2008 Received: (qmail 10335 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 06:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 06:51:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721A3C3124; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:51:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:51:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC16C2F14 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:51:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so85074eyd.5 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:51:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=axnAoV4oyn2OMyo1V8ppB1LvUPMKUUu3VEYDAb63W1o=; b=kQt8zqmaA0E0zLozSKKxH8axrTQ8ZKIEcd5uHpdMTg8jk8q/bRcQpjCWMu7wrxkAb7 NrSIqPQQEp+Qc5U6EiFRUfuhixsRoMZVjnOOKkehUTF9ok3//j+s5dOE/QJqMHqnPEg/ lfZhKTeeWczrLIE0Pleph738vsht3dAJknH88= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=EA00rz0cg6uXS2oZUPzrRSc3RUMKRN+3CW360rxNLyPdzAfmsfn2aZEFYR/Co9dTfi LqdZptjc1Z1NZQ5gemUuTxe+toYgdwWAsNQgk7DG+bIpdIluZpRitjjH8W9MgX+mKhzU h74spoVDwWxEc1Adn66tYMJ91TRPtrmUhpZdk= Received: by 10.210.67.4 with SMTP id p4mr6201819eba.121.1221807079103; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:51:19 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: vacation In-Reply-To: <669F187081A543C5985FAB9AF7D70755@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <669F187081A543C5985FAB9AF7D70755@hudson> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 08:51:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d34bf2221122336821329 It's always fun down there! My good friend Christo was in the UK for 10 years, but moved back to Sofia in 2005 - I visit a lot because flights are cheap and there's a lot to see in that part of Europe. Here is Christo in Istanbul bus station: http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/82457420 And here is the project I'm working on - it's not exclusively about the Balkans, but the pickings are very rich down there: http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/the_dream 2008/9/19 John Hudson > > What is the special connection with Bulgaria? > > jh > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Fenwick" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:02 PM > Subject: [OM] vacation > > > > Well, I'm heading for Bulgaria again, and possibly Greece... Back on the > > 14th october. I'll check in when I can, and maybe even post some photos, > > but I'm setting the vacation flag for a while. > > Have a good month. > > > > Tom > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 08:52:41 2008 Received: (qmail 32021 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 06:52:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 06:52:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD50AC343D; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:52:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:52:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AB7C3557 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:52:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so973489uge.14 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:52:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=RvK3+rryOP0VOsOdGDZSSd8v/0mAOj7QDaRZT5Wf3ug=; b=DW6Y94x7LWeYMkIvZxbLQoo26f01Dmdz/fCHa50ngsrDM5EiRWW7mJoDuWLYl3pWXl jE+yB5Oi89/S9MCoMaqAWmoM04I170mmqaqXeVZip4N4EUfiJSQVo5kFKkfPWiUkOLxv sWfYJ17yiQgea0F5eeEnNYuszhfM09xppOgTw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=nYJKBfrV6RYqaB5GWiVpvyV9eRaMJZDBQAz+EuVqu8UC0dH/oHCnzdykloPgXFw48s q4u8zkmaISMAfWkATWy/B31mZbVUNIYX8rgKi7QpTHK5zHhmep+Q4LxPTTxhZ68Bmxq9 Vec8cbRpdHKS0IxNpEp/B9OmfFSpkJLvQR3gQ= Received: by 10.210.75.6 with SMTP id x6mr6206198eba.124.1221807149401; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:52:29 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: vacation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <669F187081A543C5985FAB9AF7D70755@hudson> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 08:52:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d34c39290029117217770 PS I've decided to set digest, not vacation. Don't want to miss out on too much. Have a good month. Tom 2008/9/19 Tom Fenwick > It's always fun down there! My good friend Christo was in the UK for 10 > years, but moved back to Sofia in 2005 - I visit a lot because flights are > cheap and there's a lot to see in that part of Europe. > Here is Christo in Istanbul bus station: > > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/82457420 > > And here is the project I'm working on - it's not exclusively about the > Balkans, but the pickings are very rich down there: > > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/the_dream > > > 2008/9/19 John Hudson > > >> What is the special connection with Bulgaria? >> >> jh >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tom Fenwick" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:02 PM >> Subject: [OM] vacation >> >> >> > Well, I'm heading for Bulgaria again, and possibly Greece... Back on >> the >> > 14th october. I'll check in when I can, and maybe even post some >> photos, >> > but I'm setting the vacation flag for a while. >> > Have a good month. >> > >> > Tom >> > >> > >> > ============================================== >> > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> > ============================================== >> > >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 09:54:16 2008 Received: (qmail 31895 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 07:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 07:54:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA437C2D54; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:54:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:54:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AD3C354D for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:54:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF0E13D58BB for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:54:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4c0+4-n6VpfO for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF2C13D587D for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1FBC61F1-E2CC-4B34-88F0-6418F6E5E96A@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Ecovillage Porn Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:53:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 09:54:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d35aa821561499373980 Just to quell the rumours about what goes on around here... http://www.ecoreality.org/wiki/Image:Sarah_Houdini_and_Carol.jpg E-3, ED 12-60 @ 60mm, 1/15th @4, IS on. :::: Being human being isn't being human. Are we human beings, or humans, being? :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 10:37:25 2008 Received: (qmail 16031 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 08:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 08:37:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB03C30D9; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:37:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:37:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2077C2D43 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:37:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KgbUE-0004bS-AC for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:37:10 +0100 Received: from [82.35.25.190] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KgbUD-0002VV-PA for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:37:09 +0100 Message-Id: From: James R To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:37:08 +0100 References: <25b37d100809181314g5384cc2cy9e753c1d39f1e667@mail.gmail.com> <19E9FE6F-44FB-408A-AF34-39331DB4D67E@mailcan.com> <9f07ac840809181433ya3a8ba0jd21dcacd7e171e39@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: londonjames@mailcan.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 10:37:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d364c5131701470116606 That is a good idea, but I think that all the networks I can see are in the same building as me. I should ask the people across the road what their network is called. On 19 Sep 2008, at 06:17, Chris Barker wrote: > > That's not a bad idea, Jez ... > > Chris > > On 18 Sep 2008, at 22:33, Jez Cunningham wrote: > >> What level of off-site-ness do you want to protect against? Your >> house >> burning down, or the whole neighborhood being hit by a plane or a >> flood?? >> >> If only(!) the former, maybe your neighbor could host a wifi network >> drive >> and you could backup a few tens of meters away? (And of you can do >> the same >> for him) > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 10:47:18 2008 Received: (qmail 3813 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 08:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 08:47:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8434FC31E1; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:47:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:47:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5770C278B for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:47:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Kgbdo-0001zN-Fv for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:47:04 +0100 Received: from [82.35.25.190] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Kgbdb-0004CE-2E for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:46:51 +0100 Message-Id: <8AF6C820-DAE7-45E5-9179-69DB39333C22@mailcan.com> From: James R To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48D2F80A.6050108@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:46:50 +0100 References: <25b37d100809181314g5384cc2cy9e753c1d39f1e667@mail.gmail.com> <19E9FE6F-44FB-408A-AF34-39331DB4D67E@mailcan.com> <48D2F80A.6050108@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: londonjames@mailcan.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 10:47:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d36716122942070262475 Good points on the incremental nature after the initial transfer. I have prevailed upon neighbours in the past, but the dropping off and collecting becomes annoying for everyone if I do it every time we're away for a night (which is when I worry about break-ins). James On 19 Sep 2008, at 01:53, Moose wrote: > James R wrote: >> .... But at what size level of files to be backed up does the thing >> become so slow as to unworkable? >> With my mediocre 2Mb download and 256k upload it seems a daunting >> task to upload my 670Gb of data on my backup drive. I make that 726 >> hours to upload or about 30 days. And that's without any network >> slowdown. Carbonyte's 15 day trial wouldn't be much use. >> > I'm not planning to use on-line at this time. However, if I were to do > so, I would use an incremental back-up strategy. > > I'm in the same speed situation as you are for upload speed, so the > initial load(s) would be very long. But subsequent back-ups of new and > altered files would be much quicker, especially if done often, shich > is > not a bad plan anyway. > >> It's great news that the service exists though. I currently take my >> 1Tb backup hard drive with me when I leave home for any significant >> time (it went for a nice two week holiday in Brittany this summer), >> but I still need something off-site. >> > That sounds to me like inviting a loss from car, hotel room, whatever. > Isn't there someone with a secure home who can babysit it? > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 11:50:34 2008 Received: (qmail 28040 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 09:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 09:50:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3817FC2E7A; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:50:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:50:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 223FEC2BB6 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:50:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13517 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 09:50:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.142.240) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 09:50:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48D321B7.9000200@interisland.net> References: <48D321B7.9000200@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:50:14 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 11:50:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d375ea86281585427447 Unlike Moose I really don't get that one at all. Carpenters here have no problem, apart from dealing with residual imperial lengths rather than a true metric approach. It's a bloody site easier than the alternative, as mm can be used as a measurement for most jobs - no resort to cm necessary. Imagine, no fractions or decimal points - a length is either 731mm or 725mm or.... Simple. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 19/09/2008, at 1:51 PM, Mike wrote: >> Too late, I suppose, but a system more linear in nature would be >> more intuitive. > The metric system is intuitive and logical. Unfortunately realized by > ivory tower types rather than carpenters. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 12:01:37 2008 Received: (qmail 28241 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 10:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 10:01:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D25CC2F71; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:01:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:01:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E822FC34A2 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:01:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Kgcnk-0001XU-N7 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:01:24 +0100 Received: from [82.35.25.190] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Kgcnk-0002PH-85 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:01:24 +0100 Message-Id: From: James R To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Single-piece M42 adaptors was Re: IMG: Hummingbird Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:01:23 +0100 References: <48D321B7.9000200@interisland.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: londonjames@mailcan.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 12:01:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d3788167401585427447 Bringing this one back to things photographic, I asked a Portuguese focus-puller how he got on with the imperial system. He said he finds the foot a far better measure to use than anything metric when measuring subject distance; it's the right sort of size unit to deal with things within say 20-30' - you end up with too many centimetres, and metres require point this or that at closer range. As for millimetres... James On 19 Sep 2008, at 10:50, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Unlike Moose I really don't get that one at all. > Carpenters here have no problem, apart from dealing with residual > imperial lengths rather than a true metric approach. > It's a bloody site easier than the alternative, as mm can be used as > a measurement for most jobs - no resort to cm necessary. > Imagine, no fractions or decimal points - a length is either 731mm or > 725mm or.... > Simple. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 19/09/2008, at 1:51 PM, Mike wrote: > >>> Too late, I suppose, but a system more linear in nature would be >>> more intuitive. >> The metric system is intuitive and logical. Unfortunately realized >> by >> ivory tower types rather than carpenters. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 12:51:13 2008 Received: (qmail 15513 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 10:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 10:51:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95074C2F48; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:50:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:50:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl38.gs02.gridserver.com (cl38.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.47]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9EDC395E for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:50:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-120-179-138.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.120.179.138]:50701 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl38.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KgdZS-0004PS-1z for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:50:42 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:50:34 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Ecovillage Porn From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Ecovillage Porn Thread-Index: AckaRYrEyRO+xYY4Ed2CwAAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <1FBC61F1-E2CC-4B34-88F0-6418F6E5E96A@Bytesmiths.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 12:51:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d38421219411023412894 That is a FAT bird! -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 9/19/08 3:53 AM, "Jan Steinman" wrote: > > Just to quell the rumours about what goes on around here... > http://www.ecoreality.org/wiki/Image:Sarah_Houdini_and_Carol.jpg > > E-3, ED 12-60 @ 60mm, 1/15th @4, IS on. > > :::: Being human being isn't being human. Are we human beings, or > humans, being? :::: > :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org :::: > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 14:08:39 2008 Received: (qmail 21077 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 12:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 12:08:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A246C46B7; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:08:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:08:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF81C4745 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:57:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 11482 invoked by uid 518); 19 Sep 2008 11:57:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20080919115728.11481.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:57:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 75.160.164.73 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 14:08:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d39647251811234514069 I also sync the master copy with the two backup copies but not at the same time. The second copy may be 2 to 4 weeks behind in hopes of catching accidental deletions. But it could still happen. So I'm seriously thinking of adding cheap DVDs to the mix. I've avoided DVDs because cheap ones may only have a life of 1-3 years and gold DVDs are too expensive. However, cheap ones would allow a long discovery time for accidental deletions and can be considered throwaways if not needed during their expected lifetime. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Moose > Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? > Sent: Sep 18 '08 20:39 > > James Howe wrote: > > .... > > > > That being said, even the best laid plans can mess you up.  I've been using some auto-sync software to keep my local backup drives in sync.  Ultimately Mozy gets data from one of my local drives.  However, I made the mistake of deleting some files that I didn't really mean to, and I didn't realize it until a few weeks later.  By that time, my file syncing had deleted the files from the local drive, and Mozy had deleted them from their site and I couldn't go back far enough on Mozy to find a backup where the files existed.  200 digital images gone like that due to my stupidity.  All I have left are some thumbnails generated by Lightroom. > >   > Bummer! > > That's why I don't do auto back-ups by synching, only by incrementing. I > can wipe out an old version with a new version of the same name, but > deletions on the backups are only made with intentional care. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 14:14:09 2008 Received: (qmail 4432 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 12:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 12:14:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B2BC2B67; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:13:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:13:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6822CC3FFD for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:08:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7F003IQZ180H12@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:07:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:07:59 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking In-reply-to: <14883a8b0809180820p7f47da12l84d56c41c12e5322@mail.gmail.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48D3961F.90307@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080911150534.13842.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> <48D244C0.9030806@verizon.net> <14883a8b0809180820p7f47da12l84d56c41c12e5322@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 14:14:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d39791205551823421471 I can at least get my mail now. I have to use Verizon's interface, open the spam folder (where they are putting all the mail THEY filter before I see it) and mark all the [OM] pieces as "not spam". There is a box to list email addresses that I definitely WANT email from, and "olympus-owner@ml.free.fr" is in there but it isn't making a difference. Next is to try to get them to stop this pre-filtering and blocking mail from France. Odd coincidence is that I had been trying to write to a customer in France, and his three different email isp's all bounced my responses emanating from my verizon account. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Charles Geilfuss wrote: > John, > I had the same problem with the provider here at work. I'd call IT and > have them remove the List from the spam blocker list, but inevitably it > would get put back on and no more postings. The solution for me was to open > a G-mail account to receive the List. Works great and has the added benefit > that I can access it anywhere. > > Charlie > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 8:08 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > >> Problem may be solved. I talked to a verizon tech guy and he was >> actually helpful. First he said that he would route mail that verizon >> is automatically blocking as spam into the spam folder found in the >> verizon email interface (that I never use). That way, at least, I'd see >> if olympus-owner@ml.free.fr was being filtered by them as spam. It is. >> He also said he'd talk to another tech guy to see if any mail from .fr >> was being filtered. When THEY block it, it doesn't even show up in >> mailwasher. >> There it was, the first email from the list dropped into the spam >> folder. So far, I have to go to the spam folder and mark it all as "not >> spam" but at least I get it. >> >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 14:22:04 2008 Received: (qmail 18013 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 12:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 12:22:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E3EC3DDD; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:21:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:21:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC7AC4857 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7F00GNKZE8WDU7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:15:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:15:47 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking In-reply-to: <485D82A00A7E46219903CF4966B661F2@jimnichols> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48D397F3.5070401@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080911150534.13842.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> <48D244C0.9030806@verizon.net> <485D82A00A7E46219903CF4966B661F2@jimnichols> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 14:22:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d3996c318109347015869 I'll be doing that next. On the Verizon email client, the preferences include a place to list email addresses that you don't want blocked. It's filled in properly but has not made any difference. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jim Nichols wrote: > John, > > Most ISPs allow you to identify exceptions to their blocking criteria. You > might contact your helpful Verizon guy and see if that can be done. I had > to do that once with AT&T. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hermanson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:08 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking > > >> Problem may be solved. I talked to a verizon tech guy and he was >> actually helpful. First he said that he would route mail that verizon >> is automatically blocking as spam into the spam folder found in the >> verizon email interface (that I never use). That way, at least, I'd see >> if olympus-owner@ml.free.fr was being filtered by them as spam. It is. >> He also said he'd talk to another tech guy to see if any mail from .fr >> was being filtered. When THEY block it, it doesn't even show up in >> mailwasher. >> There it was, the first email from the list dropped into the spam >> folder. So far, I have to go to the spam folder and mark it all as "not >> spam" but at least I get it. >> >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 14:23:18 2008 Received: (qmail 1738 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 12:23:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 12:23:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD9EC3C51; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:22:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:22:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47205C3F20 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:21:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so372955rvb.29 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:21:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=DL8tdDYyLbbZurwBegGshnYt09LyDoyvV8bzi+rzTfg=; b=tWFKX+2E65V68ZmsKUtQRv9lWX0XS8uIUVyxHy+wWx1+EBrA5Ak/T8AiY6jyAQRh6b QGOFZ/SL3ML7mJMj48I0IX/YZB5FuMWtp5r9T925c+oi7KrcwmyXS00Q8IePnEpKVdTq 52xDNvoIO+hsbTsS/apkIs8eYvSu/oGO5qtco= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=t4akeoGqrZmnJeRWaMH3GDPUj0VIXF7BfGwc2/yHlEDKOcf8ExST4Nhp2IJ23vDOD9 3+zHrAiCVeJg2W6lVf1R9D6L4Q2dux2VIYR7POFYLTBOY7Cyq2nd06W86PC8FhYrzgaH /4Hrh6l/N58uuINwYf5RXeK7J1QDtTV1a9Ims= Received: by 10.114.200.2 with SMTP id x2mr5441040waf.79.1221826867523; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.107.3 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840809190521k49b538d7i755a9c8f013d855d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:21:07 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Off site file backup? In-Reply-To: <20080919115728.11481.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080919115728.11481.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9079b21cfd9b06b8 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 14:23:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d399b654971342116753 I use Syncback - the Backup option (as opposed to Synchronize) will copy new or changed files from Source to Backup but not Delete anything from the Backup. Yes, the backup drive can slowly fill up with junk but you can wipe it and start a fresh Backup occasionally. br jez On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:57 PM, wrote: > I also sync the master copy with the two backup copies but not at the same > time. The second copy may be 2 to 4 weeks behind in hopes of catching > accidental deletions. But it could still happen. So I'm seriously thinking > of adding cheap DVDs to the mix. I've avoided DVDs because cheap ones may > only have a life of 1-3 years and gold DVDs are too expensive. However, > cheap ones would allow a long discovery time for accidental deletions and > can be considered throwaways if not needed during their expected lifetime. > > Chuck Norcutt > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 14:27:52 2008 Received: (qmail 1428 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 12:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 12:27:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2C9C2B30; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:27:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:27:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7CDC2AE5 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:27:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7F0055ZZY3CPH2@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:27:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:27:41 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: vacation In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48D39ABD.2090001@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 14:27:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d39ac821011023412894 Have fun, mister. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Tom Fenwick wrote: > Well, I'm heading for Bulgaria again, and possibly Greece... Back on the > 14th october. I'll check in when I can, and maybe even post some photos, > but I'm setting the vacation flag for a while. > Have a good month. > > Tom > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 14:28:24 2008 Received: (qmail 25310 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 12:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 12:28:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A6EC2B73; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:28:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:28:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EC7C2B4F for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:28:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30872 invoked by uid 518); 19 Sep 2008 12:28:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20080919122811.30871.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:28:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 75.160.164.73 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 14:28:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d39ae8251869347015869 The 5D may very well have problems with tracking moving objects. I wouldn't know since I rarely attempt shooting something moving let alone something moving fast. My attempts to use multiple focus points and/or focus tracking have been rather hit and miss. But I have not blamed the camera for this. When focus tracking one is still obligated to keep the focus point on the subject which can be extremely difficult. Getting the focus point off the subject gives the camera an opportunity to focus on something else which may be way beyond the depth of field. When shooting moving objects I fall back to pre-focusing on something at the expected distance and allowing DOF to take up the slack. When shooting birds use a blind. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: usher99@aol.com > Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII > Sent: Sep 19 '08 03:20 > > > No looking to gore any bull here.  I was licking my chops at the > preview on DPR and just meandered to the forum for a quicik look during > a hectic day and was taken aback by the venom.  I think some was > directed at the AF/fps  tracking fast objects for birders and sports > photog.  I suppose 5K more for the 1Dx has to do something better.   > I'll wait for objective data/ opinions from trusted list members  and > not meander back to the swamp soon. > Mike > > > > > > One of the primary reasons I bought a 5D is that it not only focuses > fast and > accurately but it also does so in extremely low light.. > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 15:05:55 2008 Received: (qmail 19671 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 13:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 13:05:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66A9C35DC; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:05:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:05:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from extsmtp2.localnet.com (extsmtp2.localnet.com [207.251.194.40]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C729C2CE4 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:05:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19120 invoked by uid 1013); 19 Sep 2008 13:05:42 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by holster (envelope-from , uid 1005) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 0.036228 secs); 19 Sep 2008 13:05:42 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 required=4.8 X-Spam-Level: +++ Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp2.localnet.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 13:05:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 1919 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 13:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-7-58.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.7.58]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp4.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Sep 2008 13:05:41 -0000 From: Doug To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:20:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <20080911150534.13842.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> <485D82A00A7E46219903CF4966B661F2@jimnichols> <48D397F3.5070401@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48D397F3.5070401@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200809190920.02358.doug9345@localnet.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: doug9345@localnet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 15:05:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d3a3b3153961591313764 On Friday, September 19, 2008 08:15, John Hermanson wrote: > I'll be doing that next. On the Verizon email client, the preferences > include a place to list email addresses that you don't want blocked. > It's filled in properly but has not made any difference. Try adding olympus-owner@ml.free.fr to the list it seems to be another predominate address in the header. Shooting in the dark I suspect that an ISP's spam filter looks at how many different addresses a given piece of mail is going to and decides at a certain number it is spam. -Doug ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 17:55:15 2008 Received: (qmail 18778 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 15:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 15:55:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CB1C3C46; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:55:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:55:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA31FC3B9E for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:55:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7G00NJ69IX0KOY@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:54:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:54:36 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48D3CB3C.2090403@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 17:55:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d3cb6376643675314703 It didn't make too much sense. List mail is marked as from "olympus-owner@ml.free.fr" THAT address doesn't unblock the mail. When I put "olympus@ml.free.fr" in, then the mail ends up in the inbox. John On 9/19/2008 9:20:02 AM, Doug (doug9345@localnet.com) wrote: > On Friday, September 19, 2008 08:15, John Hermanson wrote: > > > I'll be doing that next. On the Verizon email client, the preferences > > include a place to list email addresses that you don't > want blocked. > > > It's filled in properly but has not made any difference. > > Try adding olympus-owner@ml.free.fr to the list it seems to be another > predominate address in the header. > > Shooting in the dark I suspect that an ISP's > spam filter looks at how many > different addresses a given piece of mail is going to and decides at a > certain number it is spam. -Doug > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 18:06:37 2008 Received: (qmail 31127 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 16:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 16:06:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4267EC33D6; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:06:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:06:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E1FC2B8A for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:06:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080919160622H0500e9ce1e>; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:06:23 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <5B6C0AC44072491B98F3266EC804AAA2@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <48D3CB3C.2090403@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:06:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 18:06:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d3ce0d201881234514069 John, Glad you could work out a solution. This sort of thing can be very frustrating. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:54 AM Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking > > It didn't make too much sense. List mail is marked as from > "olympus-owner@ml.free.fr" THAT address doesn't unblock the mail. When > I put "olympus@ml.free.fr" in, then the mail ends up in the inbox. > > John > > > > On 9/19/2008 9:20:02 AM, Doug (doug9345@localnet.com) wrote: >> On Friday, September 19, 2008 08:15, John Hermanson wrote: >> > >> I'll be doing that next. On the Verizon email client, the preferences >> > include a place to list email addresses that you don't >> want blocked. >> > >> It's filled in properly but has not made any difference. >> >> Try adding olympus-owner@ml.free.fr to the list it seems to be another >> predominate address in the header. >> >> Shooting in the dark I suspect that an ISP's >> spam filter looks at how many >> different addresses a given piece of mail is going to and decides at a >> certain number it is spam. -Doug >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 18:17:13 2008 Received: (qmail 19796 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 16:17:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 16:17:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95914C419F; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:16:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:16:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (fed1rmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.241.41]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16119C41C2 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:16:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080919161653.MYVQ774.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:16:53 -0400 Received: from microndesktop ([68.231.166.251]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id GgGs1a00N5RmP9w03gGsr9; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:16:53 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8yeDihMhkxMA:10 a=DEVf8ZplM1H8jmxO3k4A:9 a=jO75y0JgqFBC6AIhTVkA:7 a=yAchfqiUqefsEx2udHJ_xFHbJoAA:4 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=oH_WKSxD8ioA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <15CD6BEDA37945D2B2FFFBBBA7443D34@microndesktop> From: "Johann Thorsson" To: References: <48D3CB3C.2090403@verizon.net> <5B6C0AC44072491B98F3266EC804AAA2@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:11:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: johann@tamu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 18:17:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d3d08984891529615919 My solution to these kind of things is to either use own email server, or route through gmail. J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 09:06 Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking > > John, > > Glad you could work out a solution. This sort of thing can be very > frustrating. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 18:39:51 2008 Received: (qmail 27200 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 16:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 16:39:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B794AC436C; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:39:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:39:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0DBC455F for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:37:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so548338wfd.5 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:37:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=5HMPQF+jEw2++nX5Ij/TQ5uDEXpBZ7eVkowZJn76vOw=; b=hP115yB//Wjvy9KEKfPmXQgnJSDc0Bspb4peNbBt5KpkwuZlXiGUsZY5OkQIdGrJUj Kb9Ry2H60VpsZLrxDi9nthLWLjfxVVaxHM3nPgGg9+AA3Wa+DOzW7DZw1GxvjA69TvKJ RtNMcrhzbsLAU7wSej5ltGPgUJBD6+0EXf+9k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=hrhnfxXQfoPZMaAbWorhUpCmlIV6fGeECkp/cbJTkL/B7PIfKG9bY63FiZQ4OA33Fp 77pYI+oomE++dB3j1zQ6/2SX8+ScK9qVvrSOPTMWtHBjEKLHNgyFxyJp7EdY5Az2nntC Dy5t68Ua8HFwc7QiNABef1xdPnmm1+lLGjPIM= Received: by 10.114.124.1 with SMTP id w1mr424034wac.57.1221842239742; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.107.3 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840809190937w2c39a142v2c243ea8f5f6701@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:37:19 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking In-Reply-To: <48D3CB3C.2090403@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48D3CB3C.2090403@verizon.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d7b52e9df54f92d3 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 18:39:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d3d5d794597927319144 Your mail client might show that, mine shows: from: John Hermanson , reply-to: olympus@ml.free.fr, to: olympus@ml.free.fr, date: Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:54 PM, subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking Confusin' ain't it?! br Jez On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:54 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > > It didn't make too much sense. List mail is marked as from > "olympus-owner@ml.free.fr" THAT address doesn't unblock the mail. When > I put "olympus@ml.free.fr" in, then the mail ends up in the inbox. > > John > > > > On 9/19/2008 9:20:02 AM, Doug (doug9345@localnet.com) wrote: > > On Friday, September 19, 2008 08:15, John Hermanson wrote: > > > > > I'll be doing that next. On the Verizon email client, the preferences > > > include a place to list email addresses that you don't > > want blocked. > > > > > It's filled in properly but has not made any difference. > > > > Try adding olympus-owner@ml.free.fr to the list it seems to be another > > predominate address in the header. > > > > Shooting in the dark I suspect that an ISP's > > spam filter looks at how many > > different addresses a given piece of mail is going to and decides at a > > certain number it is spam. -Doug > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 19:10:10 2008 Received: (qmail 28255 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 17:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 17:10:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADC8C32BB; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:09:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:09:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E77C38B5 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:09:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 22so572147agd.4 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:09:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=2nIniozRmREu9lRQsqI7VXuA0B9auCn46j3kmRZBax0=; b=j/imYjSkqCjD5BAUWWeg2lvmYJK3grqV7mfq7iA52oXQ2tpBao9fHF+s5SSsMwLREe WJ3E7W4cKLu5S9guNTnP0t86JSK1Hag76EIGngvnFqrtY9o4gfPVngXK41n43+DaMGV1 9VRBo+ccuFvRZOIxVxkAxx/ji5g1Xin4YMlUk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=CRbsPLobS46fCxzZIlZZfzkqT5IICuYNCq/2dURROCrMiC+fw/Na6N8b/FvEr5uJfB jpe8C9h6Z77YpNDObu4EYMKLl3JPYClqenBs4XupJFH+z68P0kEjatlGIRWP7zlT7ddz 1JDc5+MyIgFIMWvwWj753E/a6yuRzYRQynzSo= Received: by 10.90.71.16 with SMTP id t16mr365266aga.27.1221844197414; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:09:57 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII In-Reply-To: <20080919122811.30871.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080919122811.30871.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1fb686bfd2eb5d3d X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 19:10:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d3dcf226698512572685 Frankly, the AF points are so bunched together in the middle, I'm kinda wondering what the idea is behind having all of them in the first place? The 1Dxxxxx models have much wider coverage area for the AF points which makes a lot more sense to me. I still miss the "eye control". It took forever to calibrate it to the eye, but once done, it was awesome. AG http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 19:55:19 2008 Received: (qmail 28836 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 17:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 17:55:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD143C3B39; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:55:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:55:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C13C3940 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:55:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip9-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.87]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20080919175506.BEDC1673.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip9-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:55:06 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoUJAPyC00hMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIgW23NYFl Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 19 Sep 2008 13:59:40 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:55:04 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII Thread-Index: AckagNgSFprHEoZ0Ed2uZwAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 19:55:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d3e787180721744846740 Well said on International Talk Like A Pirate Day... On 9/19/08 1:09 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > ..."eye control". ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 20:20:52 2008 Received: (qmail 15148 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 18:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 18:20:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED0AC2834; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:20:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:20:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3030C27D0 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:20:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8067CC9948 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:37:06 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <251D221271FD49D5A21045D859FE1C2C@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Occasional Friday Flower X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:20:38 +0100 References: <251D221271FD49D5A21045D859FE1C2C@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 20:20:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d3ed84150381234514069 Lovely, Jim. That's a cheerful story and photo. Chris On 19 Sep 2008, at 07:18, Jim Nichols wrote: > > For several weeks I have noticed a flower that is determined to > survive our drought, left totally to its own devices. My neighbor > across the street is a prize-winning gardener, and, when she cleans > up the flower beds, she piles the discarded plant material at the > streetside for our once-a-month pickup. This zinnia apparently took > root and has thrived, despite being rooted in roadside gravel. For > its perseverance, I nominate it as a Friday Flower. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 20:22:16 2008 Received: (qmail 729 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 18:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 18:22:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD761C369F; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:22:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:22:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFF9C3616 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:22:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3F9C98FA for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:38:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <1FBC61F1-E2CC-4B34-88F0-6418F6E5E96A@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Ecovillage Porn Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:22:05 +0100 References: <1FBC61F1-E2CC-4B34-88F0-6418F6E5E96A@Bytesmiths.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 20:22:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d3edd8253065368819438 That's a great photo, Jan. We love our hens, but only one is nearly that friendly. Chris On 19 Sep 2008, at 08:53, Jan Steinman wrote: > Just to quell the rumours about what goes on around here... > http://www.ecoreality.org/wiki/Image:Sarah_Houdini_and_Carol.jpg > > E-3, ED 12-60 @ 60mm, 1/15th @4, IS on. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Sep 19 22:50:37 2008 Received: (qmail 15091 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 20:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 20:50:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E38C3125; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:50:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:50:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B0201C31C5 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21627 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 20:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (218.215.141.53) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 20:50:08 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <1AF707E2-D96E-4103-9F1A-E3295B9D22C7@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: 5dmarkII Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 06:50:20 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 19 22:50:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d4109d291721585427447 Damn, is it?! I missed that. And me a devout Spaghetti Monsterist. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 20/09/2008, at 3:55 AM, Michael Collins wrote: > Well said on International Talk Like A Pirate Day... > > On 9/19/08 1:09 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: >> ..."eye control". > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 20 00:22:31 2008 Received: (qmail 23661 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 22:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 22:22:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47182C2F94; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:22:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:22:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [204.127.217.106]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97076C2F0A for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:22:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080919222217H06009q4ede>; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:22:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <489D9980D4E841B5BF1E2C38D5A3682D@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Subject: [OM] IMG: Another Friday Zinnia Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:22:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 20 00:22:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d4262727881591313764 After posting the "volunteer" zinnia at the roadside, showing how it grew, I gathered from comments that I should also show a better view of the blooms. Of the two blooms on the plant, this is the one at the top of the stem. The other was shown in the earlier photo. Oly E-510, SMC Takumar 55/1.8, ISO 200, shot RAW, finished in Elements 6.0 http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Zinnia02.tif.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 20 00:26:34 2008 Received: (qmail 20779 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 22:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 22:26:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC785C2F63; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:26:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:26:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [204.127.217.106]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E108C2F72 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:26:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080919222621H06009tv6se>; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:26:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <251D221271FD49D5A21045D859FE1C2C@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Occasional Friday Flower Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:26:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 20 00:26:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d4271a297271234514069 Thanks, Chris. See my later posting to get an idea of the flowers it produced. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Occasional Friday Flower > > Lovely, Jim. That's a cheerful story and photo. > > Chris > > On 19 Sep 2008, at 07:18, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> >> For several weeks I have noticed a flower that is determined to >> survive our drought, left totally to its own devices. My neighbor >> across the street is a prize-winning gardener, and, when she cleans >> up the flower beds, she piles the discarded plant material at the >> streetside for our once-a-month pickup. This zinnia apparently took >> root and has thrived, despite being rooted in roadside gravel. For >> its perseverance, I nominate it as a Friday Flower. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 20 05:35:26 2008 Received: (qmail 16023 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 2008 03:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 03:35:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0FCC3987; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D8FC384E for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2559B14D467F for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:35:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uIRroDYDQyJa for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA20014D465E for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0A2D2F76-E665-42DA-BB4D-F3698AAF994F@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080920013712.E0D16C2CA3@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Ecovillage Porn Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:35:08 -0700 References: <20080920013712.E0D16C2CA3@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 20 05:35:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d46f7e138622070262475 > From: Chris Crawford > > That is a FAT bird! Well, I admit that since we've met, Carol has put on a few pounds, but you don't have to rub it in. :-) (Seriously, Sarah Houdini is mostly feathers. She didn't eat at all for three days after her injury, and is only a few months old. If you like fat birds, you should check out her grandmother and grand aunts.) :::: Real peace in a petroleum-fueled world means rejecting petroleum dependence in all possible ways. -- Jan Lundberg :::: :::: Jan Steinman (a fossil-fuel-free zone) :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 20 05:40:09 2008 Received: (qmail 18364 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 2008 03:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 03:40:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA98C2CD4; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:39:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:39:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BF4C27F0 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:39:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158E614D5DC4 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:39:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7bXQqq6875jt for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9ADD14D5D86 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5A506083-17B0-4CF3-8D75-D339426C243C@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080920013712.E0D16C2CA3@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Ecovillage Porn Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:39:50 -0700 References: <20080920013712.E0D16C2CA3@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 20 05:40:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d47099204051023412894 > From: Chris Barker > > We love our hens, but only one is nearly > that friendly. This one wasn't friendly at all until Carol saved her life, literally feeding her with an eye-dropper because she was too injured and weak to eat. She only had water for three days, until we finally got some food down her. She went back out in the coop for the first time in two weeks today. The other hens were picking on her, but she's been hiding in a nesting box. I think they'll all get along soon. But she still runs out to greet Carol, while all the others are running away. :::: Bush thanked the Canadians for their "Five-finger welcome." What he forgot to mention was that was the total from five separate Canadians. -- Randi Rhodes :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 20 08:10:29 2008 Received: (qmail 23511 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 2008 06:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 06:10:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC9EC301E; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:10:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:10:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5EAC2F05 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:10:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2560446152D for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:24:57 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <152AEE36-E605-4399-B969-640E8D2045BF@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <489D9980D4E841B5BF1E2C38D5A3682D@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Another Friday Zinnia X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:10:16 +0100 References: <489D9980D4E841B5BF1E2C38D5A3682D@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 20 08:10:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d493d5138441585427447 Thanks, Jim. That looks very good. Chris On 19 Sep 2008, at 23:22, Jim Nichols wrote: > > After posting the "volunteer" zinnia at the roadside, showing how it > grew, I gathered from comments that I should also show a better view > of the blooms. Of the two blooms on the plant, this is the one at > the top of the stem. The other was shown in the earlier photo. > > Oly E-510, SMC Takumar 55/1.8, ISO 200, shot RAW, finished in > Elements 6.0 > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Zinnia02.tif.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 20 08:16:39 2008 Received: (qmail 18721 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 2008 06:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 06:16:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249CBC3082; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:16:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:16:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609EAC30B8 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:16:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080920061625H040098g7se>; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 06:16:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <11515066BD98457F8B57DBD5BB9B2ACF@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <489D9980D4E841B5BF1E2C38D5A3682D@jimnichols> <152AEE36-E605-4399-B969-640E8D2045BF@threeshoes.net> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Another Friday Zinnia Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:16:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 20 08:16:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d49547196681585427447 Chris, Thanks for looking. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:10 AM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Another Friday Zinnia > > Thanks, Jim. That looks very good. > > Chris > > On 19 Sep 2008, at 23:22, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> >> After posting the "volunteer" zinnia at the roadside, showing how it >> grew, I gathered from comments that I should also show a better view >> of the blooms. Of the two blooms on the plant, this is the one at >> the top of the stem. The other was shown in the earlier photo. >> >> Oly E-510, SMC Takumar 55/1.8, ISO 200, shot RAW, finished in >> Elements 6.0 >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Zinnia02.tif.html > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 20 14:57:31 2008 Received: (qmail 13325 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 2008 12:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 12:57:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68C0C28C5; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:57:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:57:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from twinlark.arctic.org (twinlark.arctic.org [208.69.40.136]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A32BC2E8F for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:57:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 16703 invoked by uid 554); 20 Sep 2008 12:57:12 -0000 Date: 20 Sep 2008 12:57:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20080920125712.16702.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> From: "Alan" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] test - to see if list is still up... X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: atk@arctic.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 20 14:57:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d4f33b81171023412894 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 20 19:40:01 2008 Received: (qmail 8079 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 2008 17:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 17:40:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF9EC36F6; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:39:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:39:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F62C2854 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:39:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Kh6Qo-00040H-00; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:39:42 -0400 Message-ID: <48D5355D.6020003@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:39:41 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Cc: atk@arctic.org Subject: [OM] Re: test - to see if list is still up... References: <20080920125712.16702.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> In-Reply-To: <20080920125712.16702.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080919-0, 09/19/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 20 19:40:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d5357113401234514069 Yep, still here although some folks (John Hermanson in particular) have had issues with SPAM blockers blocking list traffic. Jim Couch Alan wrote: > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 20 20:03:30 2008 Received: (qmail 6019 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 2008 18:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 18:03:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43475C451F; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:03:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:03:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577EBC3594 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:02:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pd3ml1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.140]) by pd2mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 20 Sep 2008 12:02:33 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=HOWxHIOh8Sj8AyMWiYgA:9 a=D2pvN1rfF_LJfWyDyTnuIAtauKAA:4 a=c3atde3yS78A:10 a=7c8n1cFLI2IA:10 Received: from s01060012171aa7e1.cg.shawcable.net (HELO [192.168.1.104]) ([68.146.103.190]) by pd3ml1so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 20 Sep 2008 12:02:33 -0600 Message-Id: <4C95F5A0-B9EC-4BDB-A455-13BE15052045@mac.com> From: Gordon Ross To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48D5355D.6020003@spokeandsprocket.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: test - to see if list is still up... Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:02:33 -0600 References: <20080920125712.16702.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> <48D5355D.6020003@spokeandsprocket.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: gordross@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 20 20:03:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d53af2251991257536491 Hi- so there is (are) 3 of us left all i have are the tests Gord On 20-Sep-08, at 11:39 AM, Jim Couch at home wrote: > > Yep, still here although some folks (John Hermanson in particular) > have > had issues with SPAM blockers blocking list traffic. > > Jim Couch > > Alan wrote: >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 20 20:04:07 2008 Received: (qmail 2404 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 2008 18:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 18:04:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10522C457B; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:03:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:03:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D51C4386 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:03:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080920180259H01000bph8e>; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:02:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <7DB01C2296404DB389394C5693E2DF0A@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20080920125712.16702.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> <48D5355D.6020003@spokeandsprocket.com> Subject: [OM] Re: test - to see if list is still up... Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:03:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 20 20:04:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d53b17141271257536491 Messages have been slow on this and another list that I monitor. Maybe everyone is just enjoying the last weekend of Summer. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Couch at home" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: [OM] Re: test - to see if list is still up... > > Yep, still here although some folks (John Hermanson in particular) have > had issues with SPAM blockers blocking list traffic. > > Jim Couch > > Alan wrote: >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 20 20:52:11 2008 Received: (qmail 20798 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 2008 18:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 18:52:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC1DC3D2E; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:51:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:51:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mho-01-bos.mailhop.org (mho-01-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56797C3C20 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:51:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aste-genev-bois-153-1-58-73.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr ([81.249.208.73] helo=[192.168.147.106]) by mho-01-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Kh7Yj-000Fu5-JA for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:51:57 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 81.249.208.73 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1/3GdD/rnh/QluvITxqNu2n Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <2D1D280C-5D77-442A-9F52-F70C0DBD25B3@ThomasClausen.org> From: Thomas Heide Clausen Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:51:39 +0200 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olympus@ThomasClausen.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 20 20:52:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d5465b92441234514069 On 16Sep , 2008, at 22:47 , Michael Collins wrote: > Might I suggest that as a part of this move "we" consider > registering a > domain that offers e-mail redirection? This way, we could switch over > transparently beforehand and still use 'ml.free.fr' as you set up > the new > hosting, and then see no interruption when you push the button. I'm actually on that as well, as part of the scheme of "a new and better Oly list". Stay tuned. Thomas > > I'd be willing to contribute to the cost of such a domain. > > Michael > > P.S. I know you know this, but Nils will have to adjust the > archiving. I > don't know that we ever knew who started mirroring the group on > Nabble, and > IIRC it wasn't universally popular, so I suppose we'll let that > take care of > itself. > > On 9/16/08 10:30 AM, "Thomas Heide Clausen" > > wrote: > >> >> Dear all, >> >> We've had some issues with the list server, and the provider is all- >> but-able to get things running correctly. As a consequence, we are >> and have been suffering some difficulties with long delays and the >> occasional lost message. >> >> In short: unsatisfactory performance. >> >> I am currently evaluating a couple of alternatives for hosting the >> list at places where I can obtain a SLA, and as soon as I have >> identified a suitable place, the list shall move location. Of course, >> due notice shall be given and I shall do my utmost to ensure that the >> transition be as smooth as possible. >> >> For the moment, however, I ask for your patience for a little while >> longer. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> The List Mum. >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 20 20:57:01 2008 Received: (qmail 4382 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 2008 18:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 18:57:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD1AC2F15; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:56:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:56:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mho-01-bos.mailhop.org (mho-01-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DECC2F72 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:56:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aste-genev-bois-153-1-58-73.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr ([81.249.208.73] helo=[192.168.147.106]) by mho-01-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Kh7dQ-000HBH-4v for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:56:48 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 81.249.208.73 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX19zng5jGHVCenl8W4uICVdD Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <8B755523-491C-4BF4-ADFB-BFD30F236C23@Bytesmiths.com> References: <20080918014308.17173C2D6A@ml.free.fr> <8B755523-491C-4BF4-ADFB-BFD30F236C23@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <1E881415-4F73-4C7C-A778-EBE49C89DF02@ThomasClausen.org> From: Thomas Heide Clausen Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:56:44 +0200 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olympus@ThomasClausen.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 20 20:57:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d5477d109762336821329 Jan, Thanks for the offer. If my current scheme (I'm aiming for getting some bulk-hosting-benefits) fails or is too slow in the coming, I'll prod you. Thomas On 18Sep , 2008, at 08:38 , Jan Steinman wrote: > >> From: "Ken Norton" >> >>> I'd be willing to host the list. I'm running about a dozen low- >>> volume >>> lists and websites at the moment. >>> http://www.Bytesmiths.com/Services >> >> Talk about going full-circle. The mail-serve was once in Vancouver, >> wasn't >> it? > > On Vancouver Island, at Shawnigan Lake, to be exact, about 15km from > here, the way the crow flies. (But about 90 minutes travel time, if > you hit the ferry just right.) > > In July, I tried to meet up with Shawn Wright, who hosted the original > list, but he didn't return my email. I've heard rumours the school > where he worked is closing, although their website has no mention. > > Just to be clear, I normally charge for web/mail hosting, but would > volunteer to host the Olympus list for free if others will do most of > the routine list management. I use GNU Mailman, the most popular open > source list management software. > > :::: Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating > yourself. -- George Bernard Shaw :::: > :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org :::: > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Sep 20 21:52:36 2008 Received: (qmail 7168 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 2008 19:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 19:52:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9B6C3C55; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:52:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:52:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D9AC376A for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:52:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26710 invoked by uid 502); 20 Sep 2008 19:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.197.243) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 20 Sep 2008 19:52:21 -0000 Message-ID: <48D55470.7000809@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:52:16 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff References: <2D1D280C-5D77-442A-9F52-F70C0DBD25B3@ThomasClausen.org> In-Reply-To: <2D1D280C-5D77-442A-9F52-F70C0DBD25B3@ThomasClausen.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Sep 20 21:52:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d5548469261702588592 Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > > I'm actually on that as well, as part of the scheme of "a new and better Oly list". Stay tuned. > Any plans for content improvement? ;-) Seriously, thanks again for your work keeping us connected. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 00:05:43 2008 Received: (qmail 1366 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 2008 22:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 22:05:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6814FC437E; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:05:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:05:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F2BC45A1 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:59:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KhAUc-00073h-00 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:59:54 -0400 Message-ID: <48D5725B.9050206@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:59:55 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List Status and other stuff References: <2D1D280C-5D77-442A-9F52-F70C0DBD25B3@ThomasClausen.org> <48D55470.7000809@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48D55470.7000809@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080920-0, 09/20/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 00:05:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d573b7105211342116753 And just who is going to provide this improved content? Certainly none of us! :) Jim Couch Moose wrote: > Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > >> I'm actually on that as well, as part of the scheme of "a new and better Oly list". Stay tuned. >> >> > Any plans for content improvement? ;-) > > Seriously, thanks again for your work keeping us connected. > > Moose > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 02:38:03 2008 Received: (qmail 24352 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 00:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 00:38:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBEBC32F0; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:37:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:37:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB73C312B for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:37:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19393 invoked by uid 518); 21 Sep 2008 00:37:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20080921003750.19392.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Chuck's whereabouts Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:37:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.183.143.158 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 02:38:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d5976b16951234514069 Presently in Coeur d'Alene Idaho visiting an old friend I haven't seen since 1961. Probably heading west again after lunch on Sunday with the only known destinations somewhere around Mts Ranier and St Helens. Presumably following the scenic route (recommended by Jim Couch??? - notes are elsewhere) in preference to I-90 for much of the distance. Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 05:26:29 2008 Received: (qmail 31722 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 03:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 03:26:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5639C30E1; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 05:26:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 05:26:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAFD7C35C8 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 05:26:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080921032557.ZRKJ8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:25:57 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id HFRy1a0034vDLwc02FRyWX; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:25:58 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=yNWZGIGZMXIlNZBaJmgA:9 a=lS5WGkdpcnNxkLx64wwA:7 a=bUOMQxNwNqcB_9wjNG4p8URDP0YA:4 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=C35D7iIojSgA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <000601c91b99$c33ef880$e40d6644@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <20080921003750.19392.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's whereabouts Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:25:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 05:26:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d5bee5182218512572685 Chuck, Have some friends with a summer home in Sandpoint. Hear it's very nice. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: [OM] Chuck's whereabouts Presently in Coeur d'Alene Idaho visiting an old friend I haven't seen since 1961. Probably heading west again after lunch on Sunday with the only known destinations somewhere around Mts Ranier and St Helens. Presumably following the scenic route (recommended by Jim Couch??? - notes are elsewhere) in preference to I-90 for much of the distance. Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 07:01:35 2008 Received: (qmail 21359 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 05:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 05:01:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B68C2FA0; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:01:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:01:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13299C2D77 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:01:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EB7C9973 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 06:17:02 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <52982493-3D10-4109-96FE-C3FC07D57C9C@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <5A506083-17B0-4CF3-8D75-D339426C243C@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Ecovillage Porn Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 06:00:31 +0100 References: <20080920013712.E0D16C2CA3@ml.free.fr> <5A506083-17B0-4CF3-8D75-D339426C243C@Bytesmiths.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 07:01:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d5d52f114481744846740 I hope that her place in the pecking order is established soon. It was interesting (as well as sad) that we have had 2 sick hens in succession here, but the others didn't pick on either before each died, in turn. It will soon be time to buy another pair ... Chris On 20 Sep 2008, at 04:39, Jan Steinman wrote: > This one wasn't friendly at all until Carol saved her life, literally > feeding her with an eye-dropper because she was too injured and weak > to eat. She only had water for three days, until we finally got some > food down her. > > She went back out in the coop for the first time in two weeks today. > The other hens were picking on her, but she's been hiding in a nesting > box. I think they'll all get along soon. But she still runs out to > greet Carol, while all the others are running away. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 08:34:12 2008 Received: (qmail 21889 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 06:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 06:34:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC6CC369F; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:34:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:34:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3F0C28AA for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:33:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26543 invoked by uid 502); 21 Sep 2008 06:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.168.63) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 21 Sep 2008 06:33:58 -0000 Message-ID: <48D5EACE.4040602@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:33:50 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Another Roadside Attraction [was IMG: Another Friday Zinnia] References: <489D9980D4E841B5BF1E2C38D5A3682D@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <489D9980D4E841B5BF1E2C38D5A3682D@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 08:34:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d5eae4102761591313764 Your lovely survivor zinnia reminded me of a favorite survivor and goaded me to scan images of it. shown in this and the next three gallery images . At a Zuikoholics meet in 2003, I noticed this Yellow Lupine growing on the shoulder of the road outside the parking lot for the Tilden miniature steam railway. I only noticed it from the car when we were heading out for food and drink. I cam back a little later and took some pics. Later yet, I drove by and saw the shoulder had been mowed and the lupine was gone. I was glad I had taken my images already. But next year, there it was again, and for every year since. A very persistent plant. What's unusual is the color. There are lots of Yellow Lupine along the coast. Not all that far far as the crow flies, but quite a different climate. This is the only one I recall in the East Bay hills. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 08:41:03 2008 Received: (qmail 17764 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 06:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 06:41:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF963C2A9C; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:40:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:40:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3131DC290C for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:40:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080921064049H0300250p2e>; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 06:40:49 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <1311846E8F8D471CAD03D5FC50589266@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <489D9980D4E841B5BF1E2C38D5A3682D@jimnichols> <48D5EACE.4040602@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Another Roadside Attraction [was IMG: Another Friday Zinnia] Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:40:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 08:41:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d5ec7f36631257536491 Moose, Thanks for sharing. Another plant fighting the odds. I am not familiar with the lupine, but my wife recognized it from catalog photos. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:33 AM Subject: [OM] Another Roadside Attraction [was IMG: Another Friday Zinnia] > Your lovely survivor zinnia reminded me of a favorite survivor and > goaded me to scan images of it. shown in this and the next three gallery > images > . > > > At a Zuikoholics meet in 2003, I noticed this Yellow Lupine growing on > the shoulder of the road outside the parking lot for the Tilden > miniature steam railway. I only noticed it from the car when we were > heading out for food and drink. I cam back a little later and took some > pics. > > Later yet, I drove by and saw the shoulder had been mowed and the lupine > was gone. I was glad I had taken my images already. > > But next year, there it was again, and for every year since. A very > persistent plant. > > What's unusual is the color. There are lots of Yellow Lupine along the > coast. Not all that far far as the crow flies, but quite a different > climate. This is the only one I recall in the East Bay hills. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 10:04:03 2008 Received: (qmail 25299 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 08:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 08:04:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B298CC36B8; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:03:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:03:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83908C33A1 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:03:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 196.red-83-45-238.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.45.238.196]:49529 helo=[192.168.2.104]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KhJv2-0003TQ-3P (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:03:48 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, Picture a Day discussion group Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 38: another nice Alicante week Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:03:46 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 10:04:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d5fff3233881234514069 This week, I offer you another varied set, which includes hung-over teenagers, a classy seaside event, a friendly cop and such. There is also a seorita here and there: http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=159 As always, comments and critique are gratefully welcome. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 14:55:45 2008 Received: (qmail 2305 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 12:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 12:55:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38050C2D66; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:55:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:55:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B904C2B18 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:55:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17237 invoked by uid 518); 21 Sep 2008 12:55:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20080921125530.17236.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's whereabouts Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:55:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.183.143.158 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 14:55:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d64451201711823421471 Thanks but it looks like rain around here and further north. Looks like better weather south and west. I think we may just head that direction after breakfast. As we discovered in the western UP of Michigan and in all of Minnesota, scenic isn't very scenic in a downpour. :-) Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Sue Pearce > Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's whereabouts > Sent: Sep 21 '08 03:25 > > > Chuck, > > Have some friends with a summer home in Sandpoint. Hear it's very nice. > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:37 PM > Subject: [OM] Chuck's whereabouts > > > Presently in Coeur d'Alene Idaho visiting an old friend I haven't seen since > 1961.  Probably heading west again after lunch on Sunday with the only known > destinations somewhere around Mts Ranier and St Helens.  Presumably > following the scenic route (recommended by Jim Couch??? - notes are > elsewhere) in preference to I-90 for much of the distance. > > Chuck Norcutt > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 15:09:21 2008 Received: (qmail 3286 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 13:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 13:09:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07462C3D26; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:09:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:09:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74ED0C3336 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:09:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 29766 invoked by uid 518); 21 Sep 2008 13:09:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20080921130908.29765.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 38: another nice Alicante week Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:09:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.183.143.158 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 15:09:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d64781239389347015869 Fortunately, even my krappy kolor laptop knows that the main image is the winner this week. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Nathan Wajsman > Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 38: another nice Alicante week > Sent: Sep 21 '08 08:03 > > > This week, I offer you another varied set, which includes hung-over   > teenagers, a classy seaside event, a friendly cop and such. There is   > also a señorita here and there: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=159 > > As always, comments and critique are gratefully welcome. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 15:42:35 2008 Received: (qmail 29004 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 13:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 13:42:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF0CC2BFB; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:42:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:42:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AE1C36A4 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:42:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18069 invoked by uid 518); 21 Sep 2008 13:42:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20080921134221.18068.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Subject: [OM] [OT] A useful weather link for the US Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:42:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.183.143.158 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 15:42:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d64f4b44551993019900 I've been using the following NOAA graphical forecast link for a couple of years but I've never run into anyone else who knows about it. It's especially handy when traveling. Choose the area of interest on the map and then slide your mouse up and down the various columns to see the map change with time. Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 16:49:58 2008 Received: (qmail 15822 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 14:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 14:49:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDEA9C35A0; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:49:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:49:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6A6C3282 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:49:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [71.105.141.243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7281D05B4 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48D65F06.4040704@jevb.tuffmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:49:42 -0700 From: "J. Van Brimmer" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: test - to see if list is still up... References: <20080920125712.16702.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> In-Reply-To: <20080920125712.16702.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 16:49:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d65f16124251529615919 Alan wrote: > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > I received your test on 9/20/08 @ 05:57AM, Pacific Daylight Time (GMT -7). ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 17:02:22 2008 Received: (qmail 19841 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 15:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 15:02:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D861AC3C57; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:02:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:02:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FBBC3A2B for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:02:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B968C9960 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:17:51 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <9EAB8357-48AB-43F4-960F-957A2F590801@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080921134221.18068.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] A useful weather link for the US Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:01:18 +0100 References: <20080921134221.18068.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 17:02:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d661fe224141702588592 Thanks, Chuck. I don't know how accurate you have found the forecast, but I am less and less confident in their accuracy in Europe. You see the Met Office seems to be relying more and more on computer modelling to interpret the current situation and trends. This sort of works for regions or larger areas, but is useless for smaller areas which are normally affected by local conditions, topography or water. I have found over the last year or 2 that I can make more useful forecasts than the automated product of the Met Office and I suspect that the NOAA is no different. Back in the days when we had more people observing and forecast nothing was perfect but we had a better chance of knowing what might happen tomorrow, or (perhaps) the next day. But to pretend that they can forecast up to 5 days ahead for local conditions is just loopy ... ... but I suspect that I have rehearsed this point of view (rant) before on the List, perhaps even to you, Chuck ;-) Chris On 21 Sep 2008, at 14:42, wrote: > I've been using the following NOAA graphical forecast link for a > couple of years but I've never run into anyone else who knows about > it. It's especially handy when traveling. Choose the area of > interest on the map and then slide your mouse up and down the > various columns to see the map change with time. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 17:03:56 2008 Received: (qmail 13657 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 15:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 15:03:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C05C3073; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:03:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:03:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3762CC2F0E for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:03:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F62FC9954 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:20:17 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 38: another nice Alicante week Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:03:44 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 17:03:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d6625c82825368819438 Nice, Nathan. I agree with Chuck: the first pic is good. But I also like the one of the seorita (claro!) and the one of the twilight at the restaurant. Now, I use a WordPress installation on 3 blogs; how do you get it so wide? Chris On 21 Sep 2008, at 09:03, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > This week, I offer you another varied set, which includes hung-over > teenagers, a classy seaside event, a friendly cop and such. There is > also a seorita here and there: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=159 > > As always, comments and critique are gratefully welcome. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 17:11:54 2008 Received: (qmail 15898 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 15:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 15:11:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036F0C2D7E; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:11:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:11:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52786C2FAE for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:11:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3185 invoked by uid 518); 21 Sep 2008 15:11:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20080921151141.3184.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] A useful weather link for the US Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:11:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 64.183.143.158 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 17:11:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d6643a176458512572685 I find it sufficiently accurate for my own uses as predicting broad weather trends over a large area and even over a long time. I also use it for a smaller area for today and tomorrow but don't expect it to tell me if it's going to rain in some particular place on Sunday afternoon a week away. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Chris Barker > Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] A useful weather link for the US > Sent: Sep 21 '08 15:01 > > > Thanks, Chuck. > > I don't know how accurate you have found the forecast, but I am less   > and less confident in their accuracy in Europe.  You see the Met   > Office seems to be relying more and more on computer modelling to   > interpret the current situation and trends.  This sort of works for   > regions or larger areas, but is useless for smaller areas which are   > normally affected by local conditions, topography or water.  I have   > found over the last year or 2 that I can make more useful forecasts   > than the automated product of the Met Office and I suspect that the   > NOAA is no different.  Back in the days when we had more people   > observing and forecast nothing was perfect but we had a better chance   > of knowing what might happen tomorrow, or (perhaps) the next day.  But   > to pretend that they can forecast up to 5 days ahead for local   > conditions is just loopy ... > > ... but I suspect that I have rehearsed this point of view (rant)   > before on the List, perhaps even to you, Chuck ;-) > > Chris > > On 21 Sep 2008, at 14:42, > wrote: > > > I've been using the following NOAA graphical forecast link for a   > > couple of years but I've never run into anyone else who knows about   > > it.  It's especially handy when traveling. Choose the area of   > > interest on the map and then slide your mouse up and down the   > > various columns to see the map change with time. > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 17:54:06 2008 Received: (qmail 6104 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 15:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 15:54:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A07C377C; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:53:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:53:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B68C35FD for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:53:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from russlaptop ([72.79.25.31]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7J00N8SYT90HZ3@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:53:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:53:12 -0400 From: Russ Butler Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] A useful weather link for the US In-reply-to: <20080921134221.18068.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48D66DE8.2090605@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080717-0, 2008.07.17), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <20080921134221.18068.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rbinnj@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 17:54:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d66e1e320821470116606 chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > I've been using the following NOAA graphical forecast link for a couple of years but I've never run into anyone else who knows about it. It's especially handy when traveling. Choose the area of interest on the map and then slide your mouse up and down the various columns to see the map change with time. > > Thanks Chuck. I've been using that for years but, dah, never thought of just mousing down the weather column. I've clicked but not just slid. Another I've found to be quite useful is http://www.weather.gov/outlook_tab.php The last three graphics, Precip Amt Day 1 etc. are very useful. I find them to be more indicative of what's actually going to happen. I ride a motorcycle so precipitation is important :-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 18:28:58 2008 Received: (qmail 14778 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 16:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 16:28:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D04BC3312; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:28:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:28:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out2.tiscali.nl (smtp-out2.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94D7C3DBD for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:28:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out2.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1KhRnf-0004lE-KH for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:28:43 +0200 From: Frank@vanLindert.nl To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] A useful weather link for the US Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:28:36 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20080921134221.18068.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <9EAB8357-48AB-43F4-960F-957A2F590801@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <9EAB8357-48AB-43F4-960F-957A2F590801@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Frank@vanLindert.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 18:28:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d6764a13182070262475 Hi Chris, and Chuck. Yes, we had this discussions (not rant) before. Being a weather man myself, I feel I have to put a few words in here - and stop lurking for a moment ;-) I agree which you Chris that you can make very good weather predictions yourself now, short term ones that is. But do you (like me) not use those automate products you despise of yourself then? That is what good weather services nowadays do too: the man-machine mix is very very powerful, much more than either the man or the machine alone. I have seen it all happen. I used to be an old-fashioned meteorologist, being educated and trained in the late sixties and the early seventies. Models just started being developed, and were very poor at that. And observations (made by humans) from all over the globe were very important as the only direct input - both for the models and for the old meteorologists drawing their weather maps. I remember myself cursing when a particular ship observation somewhere in the north Atlantic was missing on one of our 3-hourly maps, and we had to wait for the next one... remember we didn't have any real time satellite imagery then. And we sometimes asked pilots, who had just crossed that ocean, what weather had been during their flights - to have some extra information on top of the regular one. But the satellite imagery getting better and almost real time has made the big difference. That and the use of highly sophisticated weather radar (Doppler type). Together those have made a lot of the human obervations redundant. And both are so easily accessible nowadays, that you can indeed make your own weather prediction for a few hours ahead, just as well as a professional forecaster. Of course you will need some skills to interpret all these images, but a pilot like you certainly will have had the training to build those skills. Could you do without a web site (one of the many) like this one: http://www.meteox.com/h.aspx?r=&jaar=-3&soort=satradar and this one http://www.sat24.com/frame.php?html=view&country=gb ? If you need more examples I will happily oblige! For one to five days ahead it is a bit different. You (or I) would not be able to make any better guess than "tomorrow will be like today" with slight modifications for the days after that. But this is where the numerical models come in to do the work for us. They have been developed to do the main process of thinking what possible evaluations can be made of the observations (satellite, radar, human, and automated ground stations) of the actual weather. And they give us basic predictions which are so good, that we weather persons usually only have to make a few futile choices during and in particular at the end of the numerical process. These choices are important, of course, and their value should not be neglected. But none, neither professional nor amateur meteorologist, nowadays could do a proper job without the results of the numerical models. Here in Holland the success rate for a one-day forecast used to be 78% back in the sixties. And remember that flipping a coin for head or tail already gives you 50%, and plainly deciding that the "weather tomorrow will be the same as today" will yield a 65-70% score! All the effort we made was for that extra 10-15%. But now, thanks to the machinery doing the bulk of the work for us, the succes rate has risen to 85%. I don't have the actual figures for 5-day forecasts, but they are in the same order. And even our 10-day forecasts (have a look here: http://www.knmi.nl/waarschuwingen_en_verwachtingen/ensemble.html and pardon the Dutch) are pretty good. When you know what important long term decisions are taken nowadays with those outlooks as a basis you would be astonished, I think. Building contractors, breweries, the national energy grid - just to name a few: they all think it a big nuisance if the daily update of those forecasts is one or two hours late. Their decisions depend on it, and the deciders have learned to see its value. I agree strongly with you on one issue: the local conditions being very important. Topography indeed. But unless things are very different in the UK from here in the Netherlands, no micro-meteorological forecasts (as we call them) are ever made on basis of a machine prediction only. I agree that in this case the interpreting human work will always be necessary - simply because numerical weather models with a resolution grid fine enough for that purpose do not exist. Or perhaps the models do, but not the machines to give a timely result... I made a long walk today - not without first giving the precip radar and the "cloud satellite" a good look, like I always do. That, and a good educated guess for the next hours, will be enough for my personal use, like yours I guess. But please do rely on the weather services when you need a forecast for a few days in advance. We really cannot beat them - at least not without sharing their input i.e. the model output. Well, that was my contribution for 2008 ;-) but I must admit I am enjoying to post it, OT as it may be. Frank Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:01:18 +0100, you wrote: > >Thanks, Chuck. > >I don't know how accurate you have found the forecast, but I am less >and less confident in their accuracy in Europe. You see the Met >Office seems to be relying more and more on computer modelling to >interpret the current situation and trends. This sort of works for >regions or larger areas, but is useless for smaller areas which are >normally affected by local conditions, topography or water. I have >found over the last year or 2 that I can make more useful forecasts >than the automated product of the Met Office and I suspect that the >NOAA is no different. Back in the days when we had more people >observing and forecast nothing was perfect but we had a better chance >of knowing what might happen tomorrow, or (perhaps) the next day. But >to pretend that they can forecast up to 5 days ahead for local >conditions is just loopy ... > >... but I suspect that I have rehearsed this point of view (rant) >before on the List, perhaps even to you, Chuck ;-) > >Chris > >On 21 Sep 2008, at 14:42, > wrote: > >> I've been using the following NOAA graphical forecast link for a >> couple of years but I've never run into anyone else who knows about >> it. It's especially handy when traveling. Choose the area of >> interest on the map and then slide your mouse up and down the >> various columns to see the map change with time. >> > > > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Sep 21 20:50:59 2008 Received: (qmail 25507 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 18:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 18:50:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523ADC2C01; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:50:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:50:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0559C3773 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:50:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so1054993fge.11 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:50:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=WlRQUTdeMl6VqTOVuaBa7z4FMHLxEp1JtnCFuN2TUe8=; b=DkGYYDyfkDm85IA6gSkZGYJnnmOQ7fyv8/p76EEOVK6J+vZkoHtunTqcXpqo6BcAYZ 1CBIUeBsZxt2PQgmVnXJVz4K6WjRDI7G+jllCisGdSP/rxQgut9WJjXIXFcUIJRiWw0f EpjFgGAoaK9cyqc09SstJAIXt5IMcGL50BJR4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=l2Y1imUD5Xx/9N0U0QSqeXdmDT6e5zRIMbxiGCcBTcpDWaIjAebKOf9GxnyXEuIVAg c5edABesK4M+fsAVISWfOi29G6ClkNrIMjwjAEW0XneReUo6HVgZPvsYXFuLOUkAGxGO nLOTbdWes1PgDrt/zRlO7PsJ2oWZFc9oBZ9tQ= Received: by 10.187.232.14 with SMTP id j14mr322310far.85.1222023046578; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.187.168.8 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:50:46 +0100 From: "Ian Nichols" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Garden Spiders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ian.a.nichols@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 20:50:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d69793213511993019900 A friend of mine has a bit of a jungle in his back garden, and just about every gap between bushes has a web across it. So I went to see him, with my E-3, both macro lenses (but mostly the ZD 50 f/2), Benbo Mk2 and a Sunpak ring flash. Arachnophobes should not look at this, not even to see what it is. http://ian955.fotopic.net/c1582585.html -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 04:58:41 2008 Received: (qmail 5716 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 02:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 02:58:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA26C3280; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from blu0-omc2-s30.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s30.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.105]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11578C2E31 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from BLU0-SMTP30 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s30.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:58:28 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.230.61.79] X-Originating-Email: [pambill@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: Received: from bpcomputer ([64.230.61.79]) by BLU0-SMTP30.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:58:27 -0700 From: "Bill and Pam" To: "Olympus List" Subject: [OM] Help Unsubscribing - Nannies anywhere????? Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:56:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AckcZz1vp3o5oyDbRlKQSFfBvbmcww== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2008 02:58:27.0075 (UTC) FILETIME=[15D87D30:01C91C5F] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pambill@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 04:58:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d709e1242254673671140 Anyone help me on this? The automated system does not work...says invalid number of parameters...the list nanny address does not work either please advise ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 06:13:46 2008 Received: (qmail 21580 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 04:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 04:13:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3537DC34DB; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:13:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:13:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C129C31E5 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:13:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31877 invoked by uid 502); 22 Sep 2008 04:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.187.213) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 22 Sep 2008 04:13:33 -0000 Message-ID: <48D71B68.2050808@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:13:28 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, pambill@sympatico.ca Cc: Thomas Clausen Subject: [OM] Re: Help Unsubscribing - Nannies anywhere????? References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 06:13:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d71b7a45982046811720 You need to: 1. Send a message to olympus-request@ml.free.fr with no body content and only the single word "unsubscribe", without the quote marks, as the subject. 2. You will receive two responses, one of which instructs you to simply reply, without writing anything. You must reply to complete the action. This is a way to assure that others can't subscribe, unsubscribe or otherwise mess with your account. 3. If you are on the digest, you may need to send an email with the subject "unset digest" before the"unsubscribe" one. I'm a bit unclear on that, as I don't use the digest. I've sent a copy of this to the list mum, Thomas. Moose Bill and Pam wrote: > Anyone help me on this? The automated system does not work...says invalid > number of parameters...the list nanny address does not work either > > please advise > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 08:17:41 2008 Received: (qmail 8681 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 06:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 06:17:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD544C3377; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:17:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:17:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.66]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22958C3D30 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:15:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KhehX-0004sQ-00 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:15:15 -0400 Message-ID: <48D737F3.3030304@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:15:15 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus Odyssey images References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080921-0, 09/21/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 08:17:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d73885199251023412894 At long last I finally got my Odyssey photos sent off to Michael & Jeff so they should be up on the website soon. (Photos were shot over the 4th of July weekend!) Jim Couch ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 12:24:11 2008 Received: (qmail 20761 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 10:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 10:24:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1557BC3A44; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:23:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:23:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.188]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA51C38BE for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:23:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u3so761253tia.17 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 03:23:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=z8JwjapSD4ggpVVO/6LtpITA++TYL4GE3re+G2YSSl4=; b=YRAFZFFfeTmb2V9YvtcEthPmuEVVBzJLYQxjOd6g9Nvb8rJ+y/S7k8ioKMg9l/zBX5 udND+x19AYFYI1x15aOrFbwlk++I1FO7PQ9fe715U0esMAOr3LFmUCAKu33Dz6P+l/6B so3eOHzc7az017wDJyI64qc+itutPlZjd7Dkw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pEKleJFJI4KWCPATZE0aY5/rNAMjs0xenfiSu5u2nVaIlpdz7xjc2VmD5PweCMjfJe OHXA+4wAE3npLZxmb8zMmvuHui0Tj4L+l4Y26nqZ7c7vdk8+oig+48W2LIvxRoYnaizI oaR6bfUgPbIA0ismHTsEC5K2GsakzdUbiixo4= Received: by 10.110.84.2 with SMTP id h2mr4735856tib.44.1222079033209; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 03:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.39.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d4sm279451tib.1.2008.09.22.03.23.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 03:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48D7722E.9050805@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:23:42 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] New Olympus four-thirds and micro-four thirds cameras Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 12:24:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d7724b44271823421471 "Olympus is showing a prototype at (P)hotokina of a future camera called the E-A1. Due in 2009, the new camera is said to be intermediate between the E-520 and the E-3. However, "in terms of quality and performance," says Olympus, "there is nothing mid-level about this model. It will inherit all the outstanding features of the E-3. Read more at " "Olympus announces development of Four-Thirds DSLR Pre-Photokina 2008: Olympus has today announced the development of a new Four Thirds system DSLR aimed at advanced amateur photographers. The fabled tweener is an addition to the range positioned between the E-3 and the E-520 models, and inherits a number of the E-3s professional-level features including its advanced high-speed 11-point autofocus system, built-in image stabilization system with up to 5 stops correction, and somewhat cryptically a new and updated feature to replace the current splash- and dust-proof function. Olympus will be exhibiting the camera at Photokina, and it is due to for release in the first quarter of 2009." (link above also includes Oly Press Release with more info) "Olympus develops Micro-four thirds DSLR Pre-Photokina 2008: Olympus has announced the development of its first Micro Four Thirds digital camera that will be compatible with the Four Thirds standard, and which will 'bring dramatic reductions in size and weight to the E-system'. A mock-up of the new camera will be shown at Photokina in Cologne, Germany today. We'll be there to bring you pictures of the new camera. (Watch this space.)" (link above also includes Oly Press Release with more info) Interesting, yeah? Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 14:23:20 2008 Received: (qmail 16302 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 12:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 12:23:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87050C2C51; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:23:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:23:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AC1C30D2 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:23:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7L009KNJQCBI28@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:23:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:23:08 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking In-reply-to: <200809190920.02358.doug9345@localnet.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48D78E2C.60407@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080911150534.13842.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> <485D82A00A7E46219903CF4966B661F2@jimnichols> <48D397F3.5070401@verizon.net> <200809190920.02358.doug9345@localnet.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 14:23:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d78e38225011035110158 Thank you to all who offered help. All is now working properly. This morning I checked the spam folder on the verizon site (this is the stuff they block and I never see). After 3 days, there were 250 pieces there, offers for free dell laptops, cialis, viagra, rolex replicas, porno. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Doug wrote: > On Friday, September 19, 2008 08:15, John Hermanson wrote: >> I'll be doing that next. On the Verizon email client, the preferences >> include a place to list email addresses that you don't want blocked. >> It's filled in properly but has not made any difference. > > Try adding olympus-owner@ml.free.fr to the list it seems to be another > predominate address in the header. > > Shooting in the dark I suspect that an ISP's spam filter looks at how many > different addresses a given piece of mail is going to and decides at a > certain number it is spam. -Doug > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 14:29:51 2008 Received: (qmail 10314 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 12:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 12:29:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31681C4147; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:29:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:29:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763D6C3E28 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:27:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7L007EVJWV948L@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:26:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:27:03 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking In-reply-to: <9f07ac840809190937w2c39a142v2c243ea8f5f6701@mail.gmail.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48D78F17.4060009@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48D3CB3C.2090403@verizon.net> <9f07ac840809190937w2c39a142v2c243ea8f5f6701@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 14:29:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d78fbf230791993019900 Sure was. Learning more every day. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jez Cunningham wrote: > Your mail client might show that, mine shows: > > from: John Hermanson , > reply-to: olympus@ml.free.fr, > to: olympus@ml.free.fr, > date: Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:54 PM, > subject: [OM] Re: verizon blocking > > Confusin' ain't it?! > br > Jez > > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:54 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > >> It didn't make too much sense. List mail is marked as from >> "olympus-owner@ml.free.fr" THAT address doesn't unblock the mail. When >> I put "olympus@ml.free.fr" in, then the mail ends up in the inbox. >> >> John >> >> >> >> On 9/19/2008 9:20:02 AM, Doug (doug9345@localnet.com) wrote: >>> On Friday, September 19, 2008 08:15, John Hermanson wrote: >>> I'll be doing that next. On the Verizon email client, the preferences >>>> include a place to list email addresses that you don't >>> want blocked. >>> It's filled in properly but has not made any difference. >>> >>> Try adding olympus-owner@ml.free.fr to the list it seems to be another >>> predominate address in the header. >>> >>> Shooting in the dark I suspect that an ISP's >>> spam filter looks at how many >>> different addresses a given piece of mail is going to and decides at a >>> certain number it is spam. -Doug >>> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 14:31:11 2008 Received: (qmail 9874 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 12:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 12:31:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E882CC435B; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:30:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:30:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B6EC30BE for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:27:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u3so780134tia.17 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:27:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=bpB3kW+OAunKjRo8r+KRDvvrvSMDtKUNgjMo1N5tQu0=; b=BM7mv09ZDLlmTwWyhJmSVvLXbGB6kbdVnHgGnZU42kXB3RD6fvZF2tdUdZVtEq514Q B76cD3mDY8drITqeXX6YpAbXfyAXjdwMR1eicNO/sydLQ7P8d5qGH60mjdY3GPwcPeuU BBMW4Z5eP518JVSVZkCcnMKAER0HjCYSktiqI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=Nsb2OlONbEZwVAqD8RlxqjsAOtUebQpPTLO/YmPTDqAvraOGR8ZHXgqSffLHUqoH2F e0RvEwDH64c3pzxNz95h3tZ26swNMqKnI0H0NnUMQaW9Gr9Pd5mbQT0QW8NBfh5MtrmF cbBeH+3nGk1FzjTF8HP+F3CUICsVyKpJOYaqc= Received: by 10.110.57.6 with SMTP id f6mr4927075tia.35.1222086465227; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.39.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j5sm689149tid.11.2008.09.22.05.27.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48D78F35.6060707@nowhere> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:27:33 +1000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New Olympus four-thirds and micro-four thirds cameras References: <48D7722E.9050805@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48D7722E.9050805@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Archive X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 14:31:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d7900f163871869477228 For some reason, DPReview changed the links I mention below, so I've appended new corrected versions: montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > ... > > > "Olympus announces development of Four-Thirds DSLR Now: > > > "Olympus develops Micro-four thirds DSLR Now: (The now-pictured prototype actually looks quite yummy, even if only you only think in terms of "compact". That looks more like the kind of thing that earlier expectations may have had of Four-thirds. Yeah, I know, it's only a prototype though...) Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 14:39:29 2008 Received: (qmail 12429 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 12:39:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 12:39:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB9FC31E9; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:39:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:39:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6741C2C2E for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:39:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KhkhA-0000Xs-FQ for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:39:16 +0100 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:39:16 +0100 From: Patrick Moore To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New Olympus four-thirds and micro-four thirds cameras Message-ID: <20080922123916.GB30435@the.earth.li> References: <48D7722E.9050805@gmail.com> <48D78F35.6060707@nowhere> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48D78F35.6060707@nowhere> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: paddy@earth.li Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 14:39:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d79201191661234514069 * On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:27:33PM +1000, Archive said: > > > (The now-pictured prototype actually looks quite yummy, even if only you > only think in terms of "compact". That looks more like the kind of thing > that earlier expectations may have had of Four-thirds. Yeah, I know, > it's only a prototype though...) Oooh... yum. So, when are the 12, 25 and 40mm pancake lenses coming along? :) p. -- Brought to you by the letter A and the number 39 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 14:39:48 2008 Received: (qmail 16706 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 12:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 12:39:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62DBC34C7; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:39:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:39:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668FBC2DA6 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:39:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7L00A43KHBX313@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:39:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:39:19 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: N*kon D200 In-reply-to: <152AEE36-E605-4399-B969-640E8D2045BF@threeshoes.net> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48D791F7.8070000@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <489D9980D4E841B5BF1E2C38D5A3682D@jimnichols> <152AEE36-E605-4399-B969-640E8D2045BF@threeshoes.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 14:39:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d79213105831946193717 I'm looking for opinions on the N*kon D200? Anyone here using one? Image quality? I was offered a low use one (with a Tokina 12-24) in exchange for my used RB67. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 14:41:06 2008 Received: (qmail 2306 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 12:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 12:41:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A7EC2CB0; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:40:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:40:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9618C2E2E for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:40:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.189]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7L003PQKK3OZM1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:40:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:40:59 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: test - to see if list is still up... In-reply-to: <20080920125712.16702.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Cc: "atk@arctic.org" Message-id: <48D7925B.5000500@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080920125712.16702.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 14:41:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d7926260997927319144 Yes list is up. Do we have another victim of overzealous isp blocking? ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Alan wrote: > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 15:06:53 2008 Received: (qmail 20250 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 13:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 13:06:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5664C31A3; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:06:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:06:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5050C3545 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:06:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 22 Sep 2008 23:06:36 +1000 Message-ID: <100-4091d748-11879.003@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:36:16 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <48D7722E.9050805@gmail.com> References: <48D7722E.9050805@gmail.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.01 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.01.09.1111) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Photo time - on topic X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 15:06:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d7986d105282336821329 Oly E520 with whatever lense was on it. No cropping, no adjustments, from raw to tiff with DCRaw, from tiff to jpg with PMView. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 15:11:20 2008 Received: (qmail 27547 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 13:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 13:11:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A81CC2D00; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3BDC324E for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:10:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1630040wfd.5 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:10:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=zSuOEFJsNDAuk55w2dkagHR+ayQi3S7mpemOIkQm8Go=; b=oTKEXFZwyoyya7v1q9SECxQPzDYGQ5MBeZWFSplZQ1tbwCFweFG0xnjWaKYjgyohlm 1pQAHjJQqzhqdsGnvo9SSno+2F+w5Lbugvvrjw8NGm+Av8woCNlzLwcGioTl+ASnB7b1 p7WwO6YwKS1/Evw26clpwJ8oZLORxdxy7Wi7Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=MDP13W2jg+cWy4494IivNUzbny38xiaDSRdBXbVFg+mYgjTlKuRH1RMp1yh9mYYzz8 X1r0FLCLNX1vbKzmzMELXbWBKv2FYz8I01MWzqCddBV/rjKZjvy0zeF1qgp2uVkfayDq 6ndbxx5Rf5AbS+RKCCq060wc1Bq4AGFAmf4dc= Received: by 10.114.47.12 with SMTP id u12mr4483934wau.187.1222089024832; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.107.3 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840809220610p4948dbe3r18b5e34f9dda60ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:10:24 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New Olympus micro-four thirds camera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Google-Sender-Auth: b3095109e9abbca9 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 15:11:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d79978282951993019900 Yawn - more clay/wood - if only Oly could shut up until they were able to deliver... Jez On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Archive wrote: > Yeah, I know it's only a prototype though...) > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 16:18:04 2008 Received: (qmail 25956 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 14:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 14:18:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFABC3BBC; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:17:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:17:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24F9C2FD5 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:17:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21849 invoked by uid 518); 22 Sep 2008 14:17:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20080922141750.21848.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: N*kon D200 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:17:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 68.113.3.106 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 16:18:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d7a91b25982070262475 Dunno about the Nikon D200 but the Tokina 12-24 is a winner. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: John Hermanson > Subject: [OM] Re: N*kon D200 > Sent: Sep 22 '08 12:39 > > > I'm looking for opinions on the N*kon D200?    Anyone here using one? > Image quality?  I was offered a low use one (with a Tokina 12-24) in > exchange for my used RB67. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson  |   CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com  |  omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 16:20:28 2008 Received: (qmail 6047 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 14:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 14:20:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD70C36D7; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:20:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:20:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.63]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 510E5C3B6C for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:20:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 78623 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Sep 2008 14:20:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=A6FBDkKT3eBs3PyKsuryyHPTfLMNuPcabFEiuWSBByphLvA00ViFdKH7rofMb1aSoYceyrDw4r64otaedP4uEs9jzvxvdYrFlNR5mGLYOBafwsaYH6Kb5Q6UHR2J18unRtW1Ma5zEHWaO9vjbIg1GcaSFSlsZ2izQeSyZgu7EKA=; X-YMail-OSG: orDxAN8VM1kywhG0h7WCFmy4p8oW5PcWOO4BnoC2wJsyTTiQz0WecxBapCMnNqVrpFVDb8s1e2qHxdz1_bcLj1CVDiWfg5rFSRyFLchgMwTx4ZWXojgAJOjsrVykcOep0Qmoj4QQXCCFFog6zA2eaqDCmigDHSGV_9gsOUphumDIYa5hwGRP Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:20:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: N*kon D200 To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48D791F7.8070000@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <519138.77818.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 16:20:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d7a9ac285561499373980 I use one. Its a rugged camera with plenty of features. The D200 produces considerable noise above ISO 400. Even more than what I remember when using a D80. Over-all I enjoy using the D200 and didnt see a need to "upgrade" to a D300. The Tokina 12-24 is a highly regarded lens - constant F4 through the focal range. I prefer the Sigma 10-20 tho because that 2mm makes difference IMO. --- On Mon, 9/22/08, John Hermanson wrote: > From: John Hermanson > Subject: [OM] Re: N*kon D200 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 8:39 AM > I'm looking for opinions on the N*kon D200? Anyone > here using one? > Image quality? I was offered a low use one (with a Tokina > 12-24) in > exchange for my used RB67. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 17:50:45 2008 Received: (qmail 7878 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 15:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 15:50:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF1BC3C0D; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:50:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:50:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D520C372A for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:50:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d11so150990and.115 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:50:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=IQsrQaK8xyEygtRG0LCE1BE2OerUqqQWyTp848rxsvI=; b=w5vyF6CJx9tYHURLlvXeKz3mveP4gyDzqdc+7g5QI0b8v5uXzw8+TeImFtp5WoXVxs FTgfrusGliBt5xFmDIZ2QRFXOfr7lFFJ8dT+qokUERKgdEO9bFkckgDqqapatAYlkAgK j/Wg8B8GycgivweLtgP+u4WHaFMiXlzg5ua6w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Fnq+sx9EBdYW8Dw25X++bHoKFhpkgR3IFifTOl9S1oRf6nGgSjjQg4ZPeAttdDSGBS dyrIQhmdpzlRtFwgv6kxqVNqba500EpLhSXjJ+Jy0zLzBsqh4a8WCAL056zwNM4Zag5Z M6h0cfquRxLD+T0YfZ7OeWtrMKcZlKNDUT5po= Received: by 10.142.203.19 with SMTP id a19mr1497866wfg.179.1222098632457; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.10.2 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:50:32 +0200 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] [FS] OM zuiko 18mm f3.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikooh@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 17:50:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d7bed5280731529615919 Hello everybody, I have a rare Olympus OM zuiko 18mm f3.5 available, including the hood/step-up ring. I can sell it to the list for 450 euro or 660 us$. Still based in Belgium :) images on request, Iwert. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 18:10:07 2008 Received: (qmail 20046 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 16:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 16:10:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F4AC42F4; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:09:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:09:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0334AC3BAE for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:01:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so320446ele.8 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:01:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=ainftUjpLUd+Xb9qOz2DL9rIlvrR+AV8M7XTHQGHEJM=; b=Rhy3H+FqzTIWDwSyWytja4O62fJ4b7pgLM159Z1t6xb5KIshYiS92qWCsF1RK5vh7Y jrXAPRt24LYnbPEPh/Cu2aFrkqPm0j70YEY6ByjsVgFeU4MgU1XhJ0V3K4xRB6BPveYa t5ea17w+xv7dcpG0HhuQpehUn7tpkw0K8KiOg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=OtuNfmXHFEEpv+9gEnl3MNkBeiLJk+az550Ch6ebjPmmh3mGaOtfPDs8dyDvlQfr+M Bu08odcNTvy0i4q15FLsmSQqyZ8myiZxpE2Sox3kPnZqD4J46scekmXJe0OtyWCPSNlV 5ajMCc3Hcc0wZVJVzjYka0L96laT9ZsI+CuCA= Received: by 10.90.80.19 with SMTP id d19mr4885151agb.65.1222099294510; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.115.5 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:01:34 -0700 From: "Warren Kato" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Proofing old negatives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wkkato@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 18:10:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d7c35f118391234514069 I just started looking at some old negs that I shot in the late 60's on a Pentax S1a and a Ricoh Singlex TLS and later an OM1 and OM2(more color here). I have about 4 shoeboxes of B&S negs--thousands. I just scanned a roll on a Nikon 8000 scanner and can batch scan 12 at a time but takes forever to do this. I would like to quickly proof them. Has anyone set up a digital Zuiko with a slide copier so I can proof the negs in a rather quick fashion? I have the E330 and 50/2 I can use. I can batch the negs and invert them in PS. Or what do any of you suggest? Warren ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 19:01:17 2008 Received: (qmail 13012 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 17:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 17:01:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA547C2AA9; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-3.orange.nl (smtp-3.orange.nl [193.252.22.243]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37ADFC2EB9 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:01:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6206.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 047EB1C00084 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:00:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6206.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C45A81C00083 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:00:54 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080922170054804.C45A81C00083@mwinf6206.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: [FS] OM zuiko 18mm f3.5 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:00:52 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 19:01:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d7cf5d128429117217770 Hi Iwert, There was a time when I would have jumped at the opportunity. I don't use the OM's anymore and have the Dzuiko 7-14 now :-)) Hope you will sell soon and smoothly. For anyone interested: I can vouch for Iwert being a serious seller. We have met a few times and he really is a good guy. Once we also met in a train to exchange the black Odyssee camera. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens iwert bernakiewicz > Verzonden: maandag 22 september 2008 17:51 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] [FS] OM zuiko 18mm f3.5 > > > Hello everybody, > I have a rare Olympus OM zuiko 18mm f3.5 available, including > the hood/step-up ring. I can sell it to the list for 450 euro > or 660 us$. Still based in Belgium :) > > images on request, > > Iwert. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 20:01:06 2008 Received: (qmail 21597 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 18:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 18:01:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DEDC3FD9; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FDFC3E2A for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Khphn-00049V-00; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:00:15 -0400 Message-ID: <48D7DD2F.90903@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:00:15 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Cc: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: N*kon D200 References: <489D9980D4E841B5BF1E2C38D5A3682D@jimnichols> <152AEE36-E605-4399-B969-640E8D2045BF@threeshoes.net> <48D791F7.8070000@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48D791F7.8070000@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080922-0, 09/22/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 20:01:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d7dd62242825368819438 John, I have been using a D200 for about a year now. A great camera (IMHO) I am very happy with the image quality and the ergonomics (at least for me) are better than many of the other DSLRs I have tried. The Tokina is a wonderful lens that (like all the Tokina pro lenses) is built like a tank and handles well. Jim Couch John Hermanson wrote: > I'm looking for opinions on the N*kon D200? Anyone here using one? > Image quality? I was offered a low use one (with a Tokina 12-24) in > exchange for my used RB67. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 20:33:53 2008 Received: (qmail 405 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 18:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 18:33:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5936C368D; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:33:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:33:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA4EC35DF for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:33:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so3368405gxk.17 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:33:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=4rWRFZw0wOV03yhQ0wJukBw1V8Xt60FCZAGtRbwNcUY=; b=Emo05vzqPBCwQrV0F0p36AL/3kOebuHd1rHLQ59kLrR3OaPlZMK96aTykyw+vYXP4s EpayaAxqDoD/gzB1+4EpX7SH+wVsMy26tobkOjsjnNGEoJlIDB3OrmoT5DUU50wg2THB REfml9I9v5K/+6zpnMLclFQ2R79xG29VRlGYg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=k182aaz20X0A0w494C/tnqCvGTcbbWiS52dHh+/fbIRV+H5FdKyvPoQ6V16xWmUDiE k9p9hffusuWNcw2wa9ss7H4YRRM+26OXs6+czJxBVpU1ArFfbw629ldKyieeEjke5f1F s/qFyp1OYlLkvIIRxOjvEUZHpupAlP75aW6uE= Received: by 10.150.182.17 with SMTP id e17mr7787935ybf.23.1222108418494; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.203.14 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:33:38 -0400 From: "Amin Sabet" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] FS: OM mount Vivitar Series 1 - 135mm f/2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: asabet@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 20:33:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d7e51124551946193717 This is a sharp lens which I have enjoyed on the OM2N, Canon 5D (via adapter), and Olympus E-420 (via adapter). Used, the lens can be found on Ebay for under $100, but those are usually not OM mount and are generally in far worse condition than the one I am selling, which is in excellent condition. Asking price is $160 (includes PayPal) plus $15 shipping within United States. Body is in great shape, and glass is perfect. Mechanically perfect with a great feel for manual focus. It's a sharp lens, even wide open. Bokeh is pleasing. This lens is built to last with a nice built-in hood. Contrast is low wide open, and CA can be a problem with a challenging subject. Here's a processed photo I took with this lens wide open on an Oly E-410 -> http://flickr.com/photos/asabet/1411001262/sizes/o/ Here are a bunch full-res wide open on the Canon 5D: http://flickr.com/photos/asabet/968949370/sizes/o/in/set-72157601132061513/ http://flickr.com/photos/asabet/968931758/sizes/o/in/set-72157601132061513/ http://flickr.com/photos/asabet/968946542/sizes/o/ http://flickr.com/photos/asabet/968936570/sizes/o/ A couple wide open with the OM-2N and Superia 400: http://flickr.com/photos/asabet/2582127312/sizes/o/ http://flickr.com/photos/asabet/2581298325/sizes/o/ Thanks, Amin Sabet ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 22:04:59 2008 Received: (qmail 4490 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 20:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 20:04:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FDCC3016; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:04:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:04:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55949C2F8E for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:04:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so3500332gxk.17 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:04:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=eChHOZ5rtl4CSe8i66HVbHI81Ym83TjPgKErMuJ0xZ4=; b=SJoDlhEGHdfiHhmuuq7MhAUHBoQbrDXIpU+vF6MI0A0IU5rTBr+mXP/fCfwgI0WOtS hAL8GkMSQfR6Hl57iYL3/OUcbp77gHIXIukzenDSbnK3BbB39PwJox+DZK1KAzuupdC2 8+vfZ60jEqQN4yk7fQ2sk9BHcSWhaBmRptTH0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=vLGd0DZyTSjjPrPFPqQNpIpLOjD6tbNWOpLR2zmNHTSmX4/TfHx/z4adR12njwSgWp eJJDbXIsa1c2WwKzhm9cq7uWtzeUm+0nsAqdHu3UBqm1aeP5hEgybjBb3TMlUeFufmgH LDKCcLx6VizCY1Fwa/JAFxv5H6hhpa+h/caFw= Received: by 10.90.36.16 with SMTP id j16mr5173503agj.87.1222113886921; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:04:46 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Proofing old negatives In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: c4ef4d5f6d1500ed X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Sep 22 22:04:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48d7fa6b44091342116753 The quickest/easiest proofing setup plays into the fact that I have my negs sleeved in neg sheets. I take the neg sheet and throw it on a lighttable and photograph it with my DSLR. Then I invert that image in the computer and can print out a "contact sheet" if I so choose. http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Sep 22 23:09:10 2008 Received: (qmail 25373 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2008 21:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 21:09:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F733C3BB6; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:08:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:08:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24739C285