From nilsf Wed Oct 1 02:01:15 2008 Received: (qmail 26061 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 00:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 00:01:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE603C2BBB; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 02:01:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:01:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFACC2BBA for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 02:01:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.c2a.388abb22 (34922) for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA037-886a48e2bd992c8; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:00:25 -0400 Received: from mblk-d40 (mblk-d40.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.224]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA036-5bbf48e2bd8b16b; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:00:11 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Ghosts of Christmas Past (Walt Wayman's image) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:00:11 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.224) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:00:11 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF16FCEEAC42E-B84-201D@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 02:01:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e2bdcb202097350615338 Yes Dawid, Walt was a superb photographer. I sometimes attempt his" bug portrait" flash set up---it is challenging to implement but can achieve nice results. He also added fire and humor to the list. Attached is a list of "Waltisms" compiled by Jan. I never did get to ask him how he adapted the Zuiko 135 macro for LF. http://lists.tako.de/html/Olympus-OM/2007-07/msg01077.html And a compendium of all his TOPE shots: http://lists.tako.de/html/Olympus-OM/2007-07/msg01209.html Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 02:47:22 2008 Received: (qmail 26490 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 00:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 00:47:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DE7C315A; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 02:47:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:47:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBA4C2AF4 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 02:47:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 11310 invoked by uid 518); 1 Oct 2008 00:47:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20081001004709.11309.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Ghosts of Christmas Past (Walt Wayman's image) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:47:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 216.117.194.58 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 02:47:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e2c89a250782046811720 Sorry, too many "buts" in that sentence. I should have said: Not that it's an easy shot because it's not but Walt could probably have taken it without a meter. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com > Subject: [OM] Re: Ghosts of Christmas Past (Walt Wayman's image) > Sent: Sep 30 '08 15:44 > > Not that it's an easy shot but because it's not but Walt could probably have taken it without a meter. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > >  -------Original Message------- > >  From: Dawid Loubser > >  Subject: [OM] Ghosts of Christmas Past (Walt Wayman's image) > >  Sent: Sep 30 '08 14:44 > >   > >   > >  http://www.tope.nl/tope_show_entry.php?event=17&pic=4 > >   > >  Hi Everybody, > >   > >  I am obviously new to this list, and I didn't know Walt (I was so sad   > >  to read on TOPE > >  that he had passed away) but I have to say that the image linked to   > >  above is an absolutely > >  spectacular, classic image which I cannot say enough good things   > >  about. This is the kind of shot > >  one dreams about making everything about it is right. > >   > >  Also, it extolls the virtues of incident light metering - any   > >  reflected meter would have messed that > >  shot up unless the photographer guesstimated some compensation... > >   > >  Now, I also noticed the shared surname of Walt Weyman and Alan Weyman   > >  - what is the relation? > >  It's nice to get tom know the poster a bit better. In any case, you   > >  are both very very talented, > >  and I just wanted to say that. > >   > >  regards, > >  Dawid > >   > >   > >  ============================================== > >  List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > >  List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > >  ============================================== > >   > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 03:27:18 2008 Received: (qmail 8064 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 01:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 01:27:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F655C35D2; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 03:27:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:27:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A2FC339B for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 03:27:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([98.18.100.202]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081001012705.HBOH23580.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:27:05 -0500 Received: from XPS400.alltel.net ([98.18.100.202]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081001012705.CJFC26398.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:27:05 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:27:00 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Johnny Johnson Subject: [OM] Missing People In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0809161348m2e6946aeub0fa5dbd07a77234@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20080916030000.24259.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <300584.10924.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <14883a8b0809161348m2e6946aeub0fa5dbd07a77234@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20081001012705.CJFC26398.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NotmjfUMTbkgSH2jWqbJuA==:17 a=U0V8ZZr9Bz6UODvCbGYA:9 a=fPgpoliXNf52Bqoow1haxkdbeZwA:4 a=_KtGf5bnNxAA:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jjohnso4@alltel.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 03:27:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e2d1f674757927319144 Hi folks, Seeing Walt's name mentioned made me start thinking about Winsor Crosby. I was off the List during the spring and summer and since signing back up a couple of weeks ago I haven't noticed a posting from Winsor. I hope everything is OK with him? Later, Johnny __________________________ Johnny Johnson Cleveland, GA mailto:jjohnso4@alltel.net ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 05:51:37 2008 Received: (qmail 16688 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 03:51:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 03:51:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C70DC2CF3; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 05:51:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:51:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B120C3005 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 05:51:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 16665 invoked by uid 502); 1 Oct 2008 03:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.170.183) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Oct 2008 03:51:24 -0000 Message-ID: <48E2F3B8.8040806@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:51:20 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Missing People References: <20080916030000.24259.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <300584.10924.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <14883a8b0809161348m2e6946aeub0fa5dbd07a77234@mail.gmail.com> <20081001012705.CJFC26398.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <20081001012705.CJFC26398.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 05:51:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e2f3c9140037927319144 Johnny Johnson wrote: > Seeing Walt's name mentioned made me start thinking about Winsor Crosby. I was off the List during the spring and summer and since signing back up a couple of weeks ago I haven't noticed a posting from Winsor. I hope everything is OK with him? > This was raised a bit ago and no one had any info. Winsor's last post was mid June, about 3 1/2 months ago. One hopes he just went off on another long cruise, or even decided his move to he N side meant he should slip off the list. I too hope he is OK. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 06:33:48 2008 Received: (qmail 11471 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 04:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 04:33:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC74C3225; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:33:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:33:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FBAC30FE for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:33:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 101.red-81-39-71.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.71.101]:55159 helo=[192.168.2.101]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KktP5-0000me-0d (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:33:35 +0000 Message-Id: <5D608DFE-762F-4F39-98D0-99FFCB5A4D2A@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48E1F5BD.6030105@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 39: Alicante-Bath and back Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:33:33 +0200 References: <2BB60BD6-25D2-4040-B616-D1B4E6BD5AF1@frozenlight.eu> <9f07ac840809292305w40a83a40k39fbe5ff6a0e6e6e@mail.gmail.com> <48E1F5BD.6030105@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 06:33:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e2fdac104631234514069 Thanks Moose, it is an honor to be moosterized again :-) I do like your version of alt12 better and will try to redo it along those lines this weekend. I am less sure about alt11, seems a bit overdone. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Sep 30, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Moose wrote: > Jez Cunningham wrote: >> Nice story - and I agree about the 'best' picture. But I'd be >> tempted to moosterize it... >> > Jez, Jez, be careful. I am a weak Moose, all too easily enabled. > > > And after so long, perhaps inclined to slight excess. > > > Ssssh, don't tell Nathan. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 06:57:52 2008 Received: (qmail 32555 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 04:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 04:57:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4106C37C6; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:57:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:57:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3760BC37CA for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:57:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDF41ABFD77 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:57:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uhvunKlwLWto for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AB11ABFD68 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1BE165C3-74C4-4762-BD48-E9A6B80F29D0@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081001013545.9EBFBC32CB@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: More U.S. OO images Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:57:33 -0700 References: <20081001013545.9EBFBC32CB@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 06:57:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e30350274562336821329 > From: Moose >> > > I have never taken a PS course. I would imagine that the necessity to > cover a broad part of the endless range of tools and capabilities > would > of necessity lead to under coverage of individual subjects and > overload > of student brains. :-\ Sounds like your imagination is limited to lousy teachers. :-) I teach a skills-based progression that works for anything back to PS7 or so -- and probably for a good number of non-PS applications, as well. If a student requests an exhaustive review of all the menu items, I tell him (she would never ask such a thing) to go buy the "... for Dummies" book. Then he behaves. :::: Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. -- John Kenneth Galbraith :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 07:22:47 2008 Received: (qmail 3570 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 05:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 05:22:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB47C35A0; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:22:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:22:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76392C2B87 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:22:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 101.red-81-39-71.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.71.101]:55208 helo=[192.168.2.101]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KkuAU-0003ZZ-8o (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:22:35 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Genius of Photography X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:22:33 +0200 References: <48DEFE75.9050204@gmail.com> <94C5E5E17EE540409A8E91B916DC116F@user4fec106f50> <2A6934289BC543C1B5F5BD14EAA67008@user4fec106f50> <29469431.17371222631711157.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <251ADCF5D7284088B2C6D9807D2F119F@user4fec106f50> <8B5E714710CC4ED7A4D664972DF3F379@hudson> <71C4B946-100F-491C-A3D2-084C4633DAC8@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 07:22:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e30927326701234514069 I think the BBC is the greatest UK national treasure. Fortunately, it has always been widely available in the places where I have lived. In the Netherlands, it was just part of our cable package (at least BBC1 and 2 plus Prime and of course BBC World). Here in Spain we only get BBC World which is better than nothing but a bit of a bummer since it means I can no longer watch Match of the Day on Sunday mornings, which used to be a significant part of my Sunday ritual. As for rights etc., as far as I can tell the main restrictions are on football, which is why you cannot view certain video streams on the web site if you access it from outside the UK. I have occasionally managed to view such contents by going through an open proxy with a UK IP address, but it is a bit clunky. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:33 PM, John Hudson wrote: > > There are tidbits of information on the bbc web site indicating that > performance and viewing agreements limit the overseas availability > of UK > on-shore tv programs. The site was silent about the identity of the > parties > with whom these "agreements" were made. I did not see any specific > reference > to the "availability to bbc licence fee payers only" issue. The only > bbc tv > programs up and running on our tv are the world news broadcasts and > occasionally Tony Robinson's worst jobs in the world shows. Other > than those > news broadcasts I am not aware of any other bbc live broadcast > programs in > Canada. > > jh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Barker" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:09 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: Genius of Photography > > >> >> Isn't that normal, John? That only licence fee-payers see BBC >> brodacasts, or would you normally be able to watch live broadcasts in >> Canada? >> >> I ask because this has recently been the subject of discussions on >> the >> Mac Café Yahoo group. >> >> Chris >> >> On 29 Sep 2008, at 00:22, John Hudson wrote: >> >>> >>> My on screen message said that the watchlive video was only >>> available in the >>> UK. >>> >>> jh >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 08:38:09 2008 Received: (qmail 5864 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 06:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 06:38:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39356C4004; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:37:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:37:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CE6C385C for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:35:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so241389wah.1 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:35:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=mD7hWnwaYhv/FTV7UPWA5l7ysNLXyydpq8uS+5UI4/A=; b=EYPn6Mvno+YT6BYwpRibDKH/pWBoQFGoJYWChuYrmQSWA5IiPDOBKDAR9zMeBgdDt3 6XFN+xKDm1gpHGqm80EwaHke3slgNjHE3hSjmB077IVFEEGHut/ai4gP5BofBU/vUMpi UsCsI+oLurIp/D+Gx8/+OJhcvF4TwNnkl2EGQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=JFGyO+kwJSm8OFxiitH9l0dxnB/xOPab/PMhseLqn2eIuPEnQj4h4dwl5prZDs3d2L lntGruimw5G53bCnPYZs/Ruedxd9HqDeNQvzVJSzaOxHHtArQTyBLLbhBx1H1VDuSS1c RxEzQznRFyCqli/uSwqOHda9wgAPsfJM4GY8c= Received: by 10.114.180.18 with SMTP id c18mr8749975waf.128.1222842936865; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840809302335q6e6b262ck9d96c640b0225abd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:35:36 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Re: Genius of Photography In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <94C5E5E17EE540409A8E91B916DC116F@user4fec106f50> <2A6934289BC543C1B5F5BD14EAA67008@user4fec106f50> <29469431.17371222631711157.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <251ADCF5D7284088B2C6D9807D2F119F@user4fec106f50> <8B5E714710CC4ED7A4D664972DF3F379@hudson> <71C4B946-100F-491C-A3D2-084C4633DAC8@threeshoes.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3ddf0e18c1d64799 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 08:38:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e31ad1294538512572685 So where/how do you find an open proxy? jez (in belgium with a sky dish) On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > I think the BBC is the greatest UK national treasure. Fortunately, it > has always been widely available in the places where I have lived. In > the Netherlands, it was just part of our cable package (at least BBC1 > and 2 plus Prime and of course BBC World). Here in Spain we only get > BBC World which is better than nothing but a bit of a bummer since it > means I can no longer watch Match of the Day on Sunday mornings, which > used to be a significant part of my Sunday ritual. > > As for rights etc., as far as I can tell the main restrictions are on > football, which is why you cannot view certain video streams on the > web site if you access it from outside the UK. I have occasionally > managed to view such contents by going through an open proxy with a UK > IP address, but it is a bit clunky. > > Cheers, > Nathan ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 09:50:03 2008 Received: (qmail 24210 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 07:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 07:50:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB0BC4192; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:49:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:49:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.235]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3180FC3F90 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:47:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so406345rvb.29 for ; 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Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:47:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:47:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp3.dyxs.nl (smtp3.dyxs.nl [85.17.86.111]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B70C341D for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:47:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Olaf-Greve.lan (rt25bb146-89-44.routit.net [89.146.25.44]) by smtp3.dyxs.nl with ESMTP (Mailtraq/2.11.0.2198) id SMTP8BFAD44D for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:47:43 +0200 From: Olaf Greve To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] TOPE 35: 2 new entries X-Priority: 3 References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <4703D777.3010307@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:47:31 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ogreve@millennics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 10:48:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3394352761234514069 Hi, Just like yesterday, today again two excellent new entries have been sent to the TOPE 35 gallery. Go check 'em out at the familiar URL! :) Cheers! Olafo Main page: http://www.tope.nl Direct link to TOPE 35: http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=35 Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: http://www.tope.nl/events.php ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 10:55:54 2008 Received: (qmail 17252 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 08:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 08:55:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D031C3E0E; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:55:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:55:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759BBC3E05 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:55:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (CPE000fb55e4999-CM001868e60278.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.246.151.95]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1KkxUh2ClH-0005PG; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:55:40 -0400 From: "tOM Trottier" Organization: http://abacurial.com Information Architect To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:55:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] A film better than digital Message-ID: <48E302C9.24126.17A5F710@tom.abacurial.com> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19zaMLgPjOsQxZCgD8XN+/YuMcZ78CD3dIDLit rX6T6cIB/LNpR5fMy+rm+M2jQJgurR44CcJzjDzAPOCHv1Z55R 0qJs1UcXjjo6XFwSAG45HjXQV9ffOpu X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: tom@abacurial.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 10:55:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e33b1a221851529615919 Modern slow speed films ACCESSED: Wed Oct 01 2008 04:48:34 GMT-0400 (EDT) PAGE URL: http://www.imx.nl/photo/Film/Film/page32.html ... Adox CMS 20. This film has the finest grain that I have seen over a long period of years. Even under the microscope at 100x magnification the grain is hardly visible. One needs to use a special developer, the Adotech 50, also available from Adox. But there are many pota type developers on the market that can be used. Originally Dr. Schleussner Company manufactured Adox films in Germany. For many years the films were unsurpassed for its resolving power and sharpness impression due to the acutance effects. But Kodak and Ilford introduced improved versions of their classical films and after Dupont acquired the Adox facilities, it was very quiet around Adox. Later the marque was sold to a company in the Eastern European area and EFKE became the label. This company used the original formula of the classical Adox films. I tested these films and them very good, but not so outstanding in comparison to the normal ISO100 films from Kodak and Ilford, that they could become the standard films to be used. Recently Fotoimpex in Germany has introduced a new series of Adox films of which the document film CMS 20 is quite interesting. The base is crystal clear and well suited to scanning if you do not want to work in the darkroom. First the workflow: the useable speed value is ISO16, which delivers well exposed negatives with excellent tonality and normal density. Of course the inherently steep characteristic curve limits the highlight densities and the workable subject contrast range is narrower than what you get from normal films. But that is one of the charming aspects of working with these films: you need to examine the scene, take exposure readings and make decisions. The Adotech developer is free from hydroquinone and therefore does not spoil the environment. With hydroquinone-free fixer from Amaloco the darkroom is quite healthy nowadays. Developing time is 5 minutes, stop bath 15 seconds, fixing time is one minute and washing with the Ilford method takes another two minutes. Then the film is ready to dry. The dense highlights are more related to the limitations of the scanner than to the capabilities of the film. In the darkroom you can handle the densities a bit better. It is wise as always to do some experimenting yourself. ... =================================================== -- Facilius enim per partes in cognitionem totius adducimur - - tOM Trottier, +1 613 860-6633 469 Ancaster Ave, Ottawa, ON K2B 5B6 Canada http://Information.Architecture.Abacurial.com Est-ce c'est necessaire d'imprimer ce courriel? / Do you really need to print this email? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 12:43:15 2008 Received: (qmail 9280 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 10:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 10:43:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC48C2960; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:43:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:43:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70F8C31DC for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:42:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K8200C4I33LKTQ1@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:42:57 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-78-86.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.78.86]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:48:47 -0300 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:42:58 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] recommendations for tree menus To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <7B9FD9C5DF8348FEB4D1CFA6DBB82627@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwQANbw4kgYik5W/2dsb2JhbACBYIgWs38DgWc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,342,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="191217028" References: <48E302C9.24126.17A5F710@tom.abacurial.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 12:43:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e35443199742070262475 I am looking for a tree menu system that can be used on one's web site. A google search brings up Sothink ........ www.sothink.com .......... on numerous occasions. There is a 30 day free review period after which it costs $59.95 for a licence. Are there any recommendations about sothink or other tree menu systems that are available? John Hudson ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 12:48:10 2008 Received: (qmail 5247 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 10:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 10:48:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C689C38F0; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:47:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:47:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8791BC372B for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:47:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so290644wah.1 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:47:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=jSTdwmbeBNnQ2B7kNPqcQ0XA3xubvwHeXzRmIF9WrMA=; b=CzYyMMQPIVNF9uqYe3LVeZlV0ABGotSo+HFNu49SR+/SZYlPWLns9Fh0GMSd7XE2tx Wxu4fNdlDnSJeztlzldcMtfuaFfUJpoDEVZ30i+efupZJgg29IDiPsf0YdEicaGyMiny WbUWJsgtPGVX+Q4G8pzop7RsW9msEFgjfnqys= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LyGlbjKvxTs/ezD07xGEJBArQNZHc1ETEesVor54g3msgFEjBAds0CDvT8MqHvlPcE SlppYX4TXe0DLL79vCg1g9pr90Dn8nm8zMkoZiLKqLuL5ayo1aOI55iE1hMuvQxgfx7x GV6ZItgy6n+bLxZl/KxQqjEBByNmWxl1A8ask= Received: by 10.114.53.18 with SMTP id b18mr8955277waa.220.1222858076529; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 03:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810010347r78d58b5aq76d54e02c27bdf5c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:47:56 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus Subject: [OM] [OT] Canon lens. BIG Canon lens. In-Reply-To: <48E33A9B.30001@scarlet.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48E33A9B.30001@scarlet.be> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f66e26c2aca62a02 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 12:48:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3556a171181234514069 eBay item: 180294096815 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 13:04:12 2008 Received: (qmail 16748 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 11:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 11:04:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D72C2CAF; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:04:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:04:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634F8C35B0 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:04:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-20-12.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.20.12]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m91B3mNf026411 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:03:58 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: A film better than digital Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:03:44 +1000 Message-ID: <64415E2A4AAE4C24B40602563A7753AF@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <48E302C9.24126.17A5F710@tom.abacurial.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 thread-index: Ackjo4OFgjivRRiqT86/gOfgMswyCwAEPI5g Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 13:04:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3592c232851023412894 > > Modern slow speed films > > ACCESSED: Wed Oct 01 2008 04:48:34 GMT-0400 (EDT) > PAGE URL: http://www.imx.nl/photo/Film/Film/page32.html > ... > Interesting but... ...if you think about some of the greatest photographs: Which ones would be significantly improved by having double the film resolution ? ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 13:17:12 2008 Received: (qmail 26900 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 11:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 11:17:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9B9C3FA3; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:17:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:17:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C98C3FFD for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:17:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so67185fka.1 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:17:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=FwAaozrpZ7XIU8dKQOsmVi6fjC4Cs1M+fqV4uYz358U=; b=aCWzQ2BHu6PxLKNh23YL9ARIB7mRj+Fph19djrdxMhwR4pHeikv5yc21LshkjTFUrW Wm5MXPWGe3T6bNcVJ+jcJvRNfBIK8ia72dfGY5xnRIfvHbi+ePze+VbCCjjxgSFmxQOW G/BbHLssON7bbbv4sDFhHRF/5v+FBccBdGBoo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=STR3wkMeZm/F6G2ZEamNDZR3zw05tWJSbaP9fBXeOg2Xi3EDNKekW3fPPjsBErll+n m1vBr1lc6X3ThhaBfr4EdE7MMKIBZwcVpzaSVq28GO1iSBOH7S2/QE+tMQ+oY8oRaA4h imSVEir6Af2KsXA741XCKzdX+DCcEW3oEL+94= Received: by 10.181.22.1 with SMTP id z1mr3991240bki.30.1222859820019; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.36.18 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 04:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8e0ac9a30810010416s62757b91maa96439cd0f4022b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:16:59 +0200 From: "Fabio Fiorellato" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: recommendations for tree menus In-Reply-To: <7B9FD9C5DF8348FEB4D1CFA6DBB82627@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48E302C9.24126.17A5F710@tom.abacurial.com> <7B9FD9C5DF8348FEB4D1CFA6DBB82627@hudson> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: flowerside@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 13:17:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e35c38275043675314703 John, how complex is the tree you do need on your website? Consider that designing a simple (yet customizable) tree to embed in a Web site is a matter of minutes nowadays, with a total cost of 0$ in software licences. Take a look, for instance, at: http://jquery.bassistance.de/treeview/demo/ If you need further help / clarification, feel free to drop me a mail... Ciao! Fabio On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:42 PM, John Hudson wrote: > > I am looking for a tree menu system that can be used on one's web site. > > A google search brings up Sothink ........ www.sothink.com .......... on > numerous occasions. There is a 30 day free review period after which it > costs $59.95 for a licence. > > Are there any recommendations about sothink or other tree menu systems that > are available? > > John Hudson > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > -- The definitive answer to the meaning of life, universe and everything else is: 42. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 13:27:18 2008 Received: (qmail 32649 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 11:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 11:27:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A68C38B7; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:26:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:26:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3614FC313E for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:26:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KkzqE-00042F-Q4 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:26:02 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: Heads up - Great deal on E-3 and ZD 12-60 SWD Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:26:07 +0100 Message-ID: <035401c923b8$7f8a6260$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckTg8mO+V73p4tgRKutJaLtbz9BMgQNC8Ng In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080930-0, 30/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8362/Wed Oct 1 00:23:46 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 13:27:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e35e96310431869477228 I have been in contact with the seller on other matters, and I hear the E-3 +12-60 is coming available again, after a deal fell through. Story is the seller listed it as having 600 shots in error. Turns out it has 1850 shots. Seller balked at the requested USD500 discount - I would have! If anyone wants to get in first (maybe even before it goes back on FM), give me a shout, I can put you in touch. I agree with Amin, seller appears legit, both from reputation of FM, and from my dealings with him. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Amin Sabet Sent: 10 September 2008 21:28 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Heads up - Great deal on E-3 and ZD 12-60 SWD $1550.00 for like-new camera and lens kit http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/686232/ No affiliation with seller but the deal is excellent and seller seems legit. Regards, Amin ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 14:15:57 2008 Received: (qmail 22441 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 12:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 12:15:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9971FC27F8; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:15:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:15:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED12BC31A8 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:15:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kl0cK-0007t9-K9 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:15:45 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: Subject: [OM] FS: ZD11-22mm Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:15:48 +0100 Message-ID: <035501c923bf$713c6940$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Ackjv295rHKTPlVnTW6bzDawjJlRFw== X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080930-0, 30/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8362/Wed Oct 1 00:23:46 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 14:15:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e369fd37342046811720 I have an almost perfect Zuiko Digital 11-22mm 2.8-3.5 lens for sale, complete with unused bag, unused front cap, rear cap, all papers and box. I am the owner from new in January this year, and looking for GBP275/Euro350/USD500 (exc shipping from UK by agreed method). No images yet, but will be available if interested. Payment by bank transfer in GBP or Euro, or Paypal (at cost). -- Piers ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 14:29:41 2008 Received: (qmail 23533 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 12:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 12:29:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247F1C36D4; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:29:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:29:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1314C36AA for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:29:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kl0pd-0002mp-MO for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:29:29 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: Subject: [OM] FS 8mm OM-mount fisheye Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:29:34 +0100 Message-ID: <035601c923c1$5c941a40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckjwVwLGP17gCJ1Q12aa44t38aIOw== X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081001-0, 01/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8362/Wed Oct 1 00:23:46 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 14:29:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e36d35104931234514069 I have an excellent condition OM-mount Sigma Filtermatic 8mm/4 fisheye for sale. This produces a circular image on OM bodies. There are no marks on the glass, inside or out, and cosmetically I see no faults. It is complete with front and rear caps, case and instructions, and is fitted with the internally-mounted 22.5m clear filter. Looking for GBP110/Euro140/USD200 (exc shipping from UK by agreed method). I have been using this successfully on E-bodies as an ultrawide, and can include the aftermarket 4/3rds adapter I used if required (extra GBP15/Euro20/USD30). The adapter has been shimmed to suit this lens, which otherwise will easily focus beyond infinity - it's very hard to see on an E-series focus screen! Keep in mind that although on 4/3rds the lens gives a rectangular image, barrel distortion is a feature of this lens, but is very easily corrected with PTLens. No images yet, but will be available if interested. Payment by bank transfer in GBP or Euro, or Paypal (at cost). -- Piers ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 15:26:31 2008 Received: (qmail 7384 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 13:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 13:26:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF83BC4267; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:26:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:26:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C458C4073 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:25:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0CEC98A1 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:41:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840809302335q6e6b262ck9d96c640b0225abd@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Re: Genius of Photography Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:24:47 +0100 References: <94C5E5E17EE540409A8E91B916DC116F@user4fec106f50> <2A6934289BC543C1B5F5BD14EAA67008@user4fec106f50> <29469431.17371222631711157.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <251ADCF5D7284088B2C6D9807D2F119F@user4fec106f50> <8B5E714710CC4ED7A4D664972DF3F379@hudson> <71C4B946-100F-491C-A3D2-084C4633DAC8@threeshoes.net> <9f07ac840809302335q6e6b262ck9d96c640b0225abd@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 15:26:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e37a8791214673671140 My mother uses a Sky dish in Portugal, Jez. She seems to be able to get all normal Sky channels. Chris On 1 Oct 2008, at 07:35, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > So where/how do you find an open proxy? > jez (in belgium with a sky dish) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 15:34:03 2008 Received: (qmail 14235 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 13:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 13:34:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BED3C27E3; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:33:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:33:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.250]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA7FC2E66 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:33:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 4so183727hsl.1 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:33:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=6qRq57Td0M97K4uQ5wLaldke1AxXIe2mnX353AetIqA=; b=KlLnZgPpQ0IPMFyTukeJoN0nP4Xb8tAAmpDR5OxfZIJTzCIyFkCQ3Ch6m3xw0mjcOM EypFHtcxPkI2rd4J/WMm1Fwl5K4wF0/1Dhw+B+M1Yefe+3DbN5K6bnLiIuVJP7VqBbky wrdYXMZiKJUtF3rmfbs6XQFnGE9IWTtvFf5rY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=u1Z0hdnS5mXy5xubAHkSehAEzf0GPW4YNttiO39XmC2gKCXjduzvLXi4xSTCKGVNBM tIYcp8yT2gjEy37/dOSyvRQNECZfBtF9EK0heBDJqPrZIyYswkngvQGNckf+mk1eSPqB 2QBQTH5wqKdBLpa0f3fY/pvsJck4f/ArEofpw= Received: by 10.90.53.1 with SMTP id b1mr9022404aga.34.1222868026803; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:33:46 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Heads up - Great deal on E-3 and ZD 12-60 SWD In-Reply-To: <035401c923b8$7f8a6260$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <035401c923b8$7f8a6260$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 10a2042bec4bf320 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 15:34:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e37c4b6371234514069 >Story is the seller listed it as having 600 shots in error. Turns out it has 1850 shots. Do you think I should list my "barely used" E-1 with 14-54 on Miranda? I'm wanting something not quite so robust that has all those fancy features that we all should be NEEDING like 21 megapixels, face-detection and a print button. http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 15:36:22 2008 Received: (qmail 878 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 13:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 13:36:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD967C306D; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:36:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:36:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04229C292A for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:36:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <1338812.18111222846733665.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-8-50.iburst.co.za ([41.213.8.50]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 244 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:38:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:31:00 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 15:36:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e37cd620482336821329 Hi All, I purchased a 24mm f/2.0 MC (SN# 103xxx) on Ebay, which arrived today. The lens looks fantastic, operates smoothly, etc - but there is one problem: The lens has a substantial yellow cast - when you look through the viewfinder, it looks like a pretty strong warm-up filter has been fitted. I plan to shoot exclusively B&W with this setup (I use my Mamiya and Linhof for colour landscapes) but I was wondering, is this a similar problem to the rare-earth elements that yellow in the notorious early copies of the 55mm f/1.2 lens? Did they use similar (rare-earth) elements in the early 24/2.0 MC lenses? I have heard that placing a yellowed 55/1.2 in direct sunlight could clear it up, is it worth trying with the 24mm, or is this some other problem you guys know about? thanks for the expertise :-) I could live with this lens like this, but obviously would prefer a slightly less warm outlook on life, if possible. regards, Dawid ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 15:42:13 2008 Received: (qmail 22572 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 13:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 13:42:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722ABC2886; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:42:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:42:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F52C314A for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:42:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23638 invoked by uid 518); 1 Oct 2008 13:41:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20081001134159.23637.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Canon lens. BIG Canon lens. Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:41:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 216.117.194.58 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 15:42:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e37e35176231946193717 Much smaller and lighter, much cheaper, faster and complete with mountings. Dunno why you'd want that Canyon thing unless it just has to say Canyon. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Jez Cunningham > Subject: [OM] [OT] Canon lens. BIG Canon lens. > Sent: Oct 01 '08 10:47 > > > eBay item: 180294096815 > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 15:50:08 2008 Received: (qmail 29100 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 13:50:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 13:50:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164E3C27A6; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:49:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:49:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8B5C3169 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:49:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 46B1A3F24Q for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:49:55 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: The Olympus Pursuit News Flash: Moose is famous again :-) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:49:55 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840810010047y95d4d80i1e99886d205ded9e@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] The Olympus Pursuit News Flash: Moose is famous again :-) thread-index: AckjmlLOY0o0oeDxQ8CrOBzqlLMODwAMkEOg From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2008 13:49:55.0554 (UTC) FILETIME=[961CCC20:01C923CC] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 15:50:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e38010242351823421471 LOL. -----Original Message----- From: jez.cunningham@gmail.com [mailto:jez.cunningham@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jez Cunningham Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 12:48 AM To: olympus Subject: [OM] The Olympus Pursuit News Flash: Moose is famous again :-) http://www.olympus.co.jp/en/magazine/pursuit/feature_article/current/ind ex.cfm ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 15:51:32 2008 Received: (qmail 23505 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 13:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 13:51:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27C7C2E9A; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:51:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:51:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E12C3144 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:51:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.136] (helo=anti-virus01-07) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Kl26r-0002xx-AC for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:51:21 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Kl26q-0001DD-ST for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:51:20 +0100 Message-ID: <48E38069.6010401@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:51:37 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: FS: ZD11-22mm References: <035501c923bf$713c6940$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <035501c923bf$713c6940$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 15:51:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3806432051035110158 Piers Hemy wrote: > I have an almost perfect Zuiko Digital 11-22mm 2.8-3.5 lens for sale, > complete with unused bag, unused front cap, rear cap, all papers and box. I > am the owner from new in January this year, and looking for > GBP275/Euro350/USD500 (exc shipping from UK by agreed method). > > No images yet, but will be available if interested. > > Payment by bank transfer in GBP or Euro, or Paypal (at cost). > > -- > Piers > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > I'm interested, Piers. D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 15:53:02 2008 Received: (qmail 31057 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 13:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 13:53:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75424C37FE; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:52:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:52:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABA8C3653 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:52:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id EB53826BWA for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:52:48 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:52:48 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1338812.18111222846733665.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC thread-index: AckjyrPu1PAD6gekQkmPofY5io3zbQAAbJjg From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2008 13:52:48.0839 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD65FD70:01C923CC] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 15:53:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e380bd112803675314703 First time I've heard of yellowing in anything but the 55/1.2. Don't think sun exposure would help that lens, as the cause must be something other than radioactive glass. Nicotine stains? -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Dawid Loubser Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 12:31 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Hi All, I purchased a 24mm f/2.0 MC (SN# 103xxx) on Ebay, which arrived today. The lens looks fantastic, operates smoothly, etc - but there is one problem: The lens has a substantial yellow cast - when you look through the viewfinder, it looks like a pretty strong warm-up filter has been fitted. I plan to shoot exclusively B&W with this setup (I use my Mamiya and Linhof for colour landscapes) but I was wondering, is this a similar problem to the rare-earth elements that yellow in the notorious early copies of the 55mm f/1.2 lens? Did they use similar (rare-earth) elements in the early 24/2.0 MC lenses? I have heard that placing a yellowed 55/1.2 in direct sunlight could clear it up, is it worth trying with the 24mm, or is this some other problem you guys know about? thanks for the expertise :-) I could live with this lens like this, but obviously would prefer a slightly less warm outlook on life, if possible. regards, Dawid ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 15:53:12 2008 Received: (qmail 9662 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 13:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 13:53:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B50C35EB; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:53:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:53:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EBBC382E for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:52:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Kl28K-0003nH-G9 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:52:52 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Kl28G-0006DQ-Q1 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:52:48 +0100 Message-ID: <48E380C1.4010001@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:53:05 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: recommendations for tree menus References: <48E302C9.24126.17A5F710@tom.abacurial.com> <7B9FD9C5DF8348FEB4D1CFA6DBB82627@hudson> <8e0ac9a30810010416s62757b91maa96439cd0f4022b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8e0ac9a30810010416s62757b91maa96439cd0f4022b@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 15:53:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e380c8304231946193717 Fabio Fiorellato wrote: > John, how complex is the tree you do need on your website? > > Consider that designing a simple (yet customizable) tree to embed in a Web > site is a matter of minutes nowadays, with a total cost of 0$ in software > licences. > > Take a look, for instance, at: http://jquery.bassistance.de/treeview/demo/ > > If you need further help / clarification, feel free to drop me a mail... > > Ciao! > > Fabio > Airdrie?! Nobody goes to Airdrie. I didn't even think they had electricity there, never mind internet... ;-) D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 16:05:19 2008 Received: (qmail 2188 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 14:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 14:05:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1A4C2B17; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:05:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:05:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7ECCC2DC6 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:05:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so397295ika.1 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:05:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ILrvYtZmHLFZe8e5ZRnLGkJ1lGOv2eoFiOpJ0yyljJU=; b=BQd0i5IyyLSfPCWu2RKyI5BvfMOamPkwk6/hiWWiuJsrpr9TyuXNx+8bM5S1pMGciW tZRY/RoUlILYfVk9vTNagB0/blVfIOndQmLh+eSIjRkEF4aO3I3GJUGW5heHW6LI1V6f EMPyQcPQSbvqH1SUN9hpUpsIWgzvehslWqp/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=GxVwL+XYK61uj0smnvJ69JcePh6qWbtZjs8izkMiJEKlrqB5D98/LQt61fn/DCGYbT p/HJwTb3G+RFSxtWQK/RloD4CopNibpZ7NjS+rBPa8x9XlV8q0WKi8U4iTspJYvJaczz Zymg4rtdjrwN2h9WRVBTEuWQbHSdJcYX6vYws= Received: by 10.86.82.6 with SMTP id f6mr7112529fgb.73.1222869905947; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.2 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0810010705u1399322m8fcf56e7f7d42ec0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:05:05 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A film better than digital In-Reply-To: <48E302C9.24126.17A5F710@tom.abacurial.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48E302C9.24126.17A5F710@tom.abacurial.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 16:05:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3839f310541702588592 I wonder if it is not re-badged Gigibit Film I read about a few years back. It too was a German product. Charlie On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:55 AM, tOM Trottier wrote: > > Modern slow speed films > > ACCESSED: Wed Oct 01 2008 04:48:34 GMT-0400 (EDT) > PAGE URL: http://www.imx.nl/photo/Film/Film/page32.html > ... > > Adox CMS 20. > This film has the finest grain that I have seen over a long period of > years. > Even under the microscope at 100x magnification the grain is hardly > visible. One needs to use a special developer, the Adotech 50, also > available > from Adox. But there are many pota type developers on the market that can > be used. Originally Dr. Schleussner Company manufactured Adox films in > Germany. For many years the films were unsurpassed for its resolving > power and sharpness impression due to the acutance effects. But Kodak > and Ilford introduced improved versions of their classical films and after > Dupont acquired the Adox facilities, it was very quiet around Adox. Later > the marque was sold to a company in the Eastern European area and EFKE > became the label. This company used the original formula of the classical > Adox films. I tested these films and them very good, but not so outstanding > in comparison to the normal ISO100 films from Kodak and Ilford, that they > could become the standard films to be used. > > Recently Fotoimpex in Germany has introduced a new series of Adox films > of which the document film CMS 20 is quite interesting. The base is crystal > clear and well suited to scanning if you do not want to work in the > darkroom. > > First the workflow: the useable speed value is ISO16, which delivers well > exposed negatives with excellent tonality and normal density. Of course the > inherently steep characteristic curve limits the highlight densities and > the > workable subject contrast range is narrower than what you get from normal > films. But that is one of the charming aspects of working with these films: > you need to examine the scene, take exposure readings and make decisions. > > The Adotech developer is free from hydroquinone and therefore does not > spoil the environment. With hydroquinone-free fixer from Amaloco the > darkroom is quite healthy nowadays. Developing time is 5 minutes, stop > bath 15 seconds, fixing time is one minute and washing with the Ilford > method takes another two minutes. Then the film is ready to dry. > > > The dense highlights are more related to the limitations of the scanner > than > to the capabilities of the film. In the darkroom you can handle the > densities > a bit better. It is wise as always to do some experimenting yourself. > > ... > > =================================================== > > > -- Facilius enim per partes in cognitionem totius > adducimur - > - > tOM Trottier, +1 613 860-6633 > 469 Ancaster Ave, Ottawa, ON K2B 5B6 Canada > http://Information.Architecture.Abacurial.com > Est-ce c'est necessaire d'imprimer ce courriel? / > Do you really need to print this email? > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 16:08:01 2008 Received: (qmail 12327 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 14:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 14:08:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD0DC2E61; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:07:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:07:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1DAEC3097 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <2288369.18941222870530485.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-13-13.iburst.co.za ([41.213.13.13]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 852 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:15:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:07:35 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 16:08:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e38441204211035110158 By they way, a number of older Pentax and Canon lenses also suffer from yellowing due to "radioactive" thorium glass, cured through intense sunlight exposure for a couple of days. Were all 24/2.0's multicoated? Because my 24mm has an early serial number, but no designation such as F.Zuiko (only "Zuiko) and has a MC indication. It is a silvernose though. If it's a very early lens, maybe they also used thorium glass. If it's a later model though, it's definitely something else I think. D. On 01 Oct 2008, at 3:52 PM, Timpe, Jim wrote: > > First time I've heard of yellowing in anything but the 55/1.2. Don't > think sun exposure would help that lens, as the cause must be > something > other than radioactive glass. Nicotine stains? > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of Dawid Loubser > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 12:31 AM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC > > > > Hi All, > > I purchased a 24mm f/2.0 MC (SN# 103xxx) on Ebay, which arrived today. > The lens looks fantastic, operates > smoothly, etc - but there is one problem: The lens has a substantial > yellow cast - when you look through > the viewfinder, it looks like a pretty strong warm-up filter has been > fitted. > > I plan to shoot exclusively B&W with this setup (I use my Mamiya and > Linhof for colour landscapes) but > I was wondering, is this a similar problem to the rare-earth elements > that yellow in the notorious early > copies of the 55mm f/1.2 lens? Did they use similar (rare-earth) > elements in the early 24/2.0 MC lenses? > > I have heard that placing a yellowed 55/1.2 in direct sunlight could > clear it up, is it worth trying with > the 24mm, or is this some other problem you guys know about? > > thanks for the expertise :-) I could live with this lens like this, > but obviously would prefer a slightly > less warm outlook on life, if possible. > > regards, > Dawid > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > This message (including any attachments) contains confidential > and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. > Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on > the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may > constitute a violation of law. 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If you > have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender > immediately. > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 16:17:59 2008 Received: (qmail 27024 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 14:17:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 14:17:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B6EC31DA; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:17:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:17:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7131DC315B for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:17:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so165863gxk.17 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=lIyrGM0AYFZDkQJt/Tj8GSH+tv18lscU/2Hl09nIGcY=; b=oDAxxLWt1ZESCjzM+gP4YdGo0RIpLFShCmRyYIYXxXuyv7hh+fm6fC29eaeiwpx8Qn r+2Dfpb7NnUln/2w+BL6W9hLEYxskeQ0x1jMSKkJcZH+t59aBkvePe4jwpoKWKDtnFs8 oEMpCJ626yeOQnZV4jW6hy2pkMUeHhVa/GEtA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=jbbdGPWXUHZzdlG3UT0Zsqh0/Wnq9ZXaon4VWX9IikqRk5hnsOITHz4mhtfgaLexmu NlT6gtsZ+NyEXLtVw8iMdprOe4vktII4LGEkFVZwEgk8+3sZPzdhtnX56g5QuqgoaS+X nj98QoeopTfznIpQ6Y9Tx21JfsZAM8EX3S+c4= Received: by 10.90.73.17 with SMTP id v17mr9062213aga.40.1222870667634; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:17:47 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A film better than digital In-Reply-To: <64415E2A4AAE4C24B40602563A7753AF@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48E302C9.24126.17A5F710@tom.abacurial.com> <64415E2A4AAE4C24B40602563A7753AF@meo.dec.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e68862db18089d47 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 16:17:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e38697222651342116753 >Interesting but... > >...if you think about some of the greatest photographs: > >Which ones would be significantly improved by having double the film >resolution ? How is this any different than megapixels? Which of those "greatest photographs" would have been significantly improved if they had been shot with the 5D Mk2. Historically, the majority of those "greatest photographs" were NOT shot on 4x5, 8x10 or larger. Honestly, we are a sad, sad, sad people of we think that technology will magically transform the mediocre into anything other than technically perfect mediocre. A less than perfect AG-Schnozz http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 16:18:39 2008 Received: (qmail 3962 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 14:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 14:18:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CB7C321C; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:18:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:18:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8560C3325 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:18:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Kl2X6-0000oK-A9 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:18:28 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Kl2X5-0002ik-Ni for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:18:27 +0100 Message-ID: <48E386C4.8040604@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:18:44 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] New gallery on home page Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 16:18:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e386bf222189117217770 Just a quick note to say I have my summer shots up on www.skelpitheid.com and to give you a warning. It's a 'quick and dirty' job, so the gallery just uses the same template as the last time, which is too restrictive for the number of shots, really. So it takes a little time to load and will probably require scrolling. The thumbnails are at the bottom, and are small (50px). Mousing over the images will float a caption. Before anyone jumps on it, the template won't allow me to use apostrophes in the captions, so I've missed them out to get it to work. If anyone sees any other flaws, I'd appreciate the heads-up. Most of the images are some way under 200k, at this size making them smaller is tricky in terms of artefacts (wanna argue about that spelling?). D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 16:43:23 2008 Received: (qmail 6721 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 14:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 14:43:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1CAC3EC1; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:43:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:43:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BA7C2EFF for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:42:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so90611yxj.89 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:42:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=9tsSgpl9sf8sgWhXvhO+3nW5NBlal95ZQ5P/4W/YX8g=; b=HMDh7VEfYT1PrU9xw4XnIDQ5UKGJwlMSr1bt327BJU35Jy10IM/x0yRAwy1naiqkKc qeOBQOsMYAEyBDB5gFSxo4jAIBp4lcMA/qkpld8TtaOT2Ns/Qj9F0bSCNSDVIZoUkRZg IsvBbF93LebEth+f5XafmLJpW0BKtx5wzvA38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=xkmXkM7c+c1Jp2fMmCDQsuflKs/U25WDJO1tuAziExotFpan54GSW8wM6oW+OwSLJo jwSj/EYVI0WZY2iUtGP2Iw3P8Go+KzwtzpPi49aq77Nrnehz/RLZR1l2An4wxERIlPa3 6W1qhkCiGgZivyrvbBmTkT7lgnrYGvBUc50kc= Received: by 10.90.80.18 with SMTP id d18mr9110662agb.11.1222872147611; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:42:27 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Today's What The Duck MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Google-Sender-Auth: fea3d9f2b9e408d2 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 16:43:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e38c8b39951073733319 In the spirit of "better film, more megapixels making better pictures". Today's whattheduck is dead-on. This guy is definitely a pro. -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 16:53:24 2008 Received: (qmail 25417 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 14:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 14:53:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE6CC39E1; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:53:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:53:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A813DC290E for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:52:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15020 invoked by uid 518); 1 Oct 2008 14:52:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20081001145257.15019.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A film better than digital Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:52:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 216.117.194.58 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 16:53:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e38ee3163021702588592 You should just stick with a Diana. Your brides will appreciate the artistic nature of the results. :) Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Ken Norton > Subject: [OM] Re: A film better than digital > Sent: Oct 01 '08 14:17 > > > >Interesting but... > > > >...if you think about some of the greatest photographs: > > > >Which ones would be significantly improved by having double the film > >resolution ? > > How is this any different than megapixels?  Which of those "greatest > photographs" would have been significantly improved if they had been shot > with the 5D Mk2. Historically, the majority of those "greatest photographs" > were NOT shot on 4x5, 8x10 or larger. Honestly, we are a sad, sad, sad > people of we think that technology will magically transform the mediocre > into anything other than technically perfect mediocre. > > A less than perfect AG-Schnozz > > http://www.zone-10.com > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 16:54:43 2008 Received: (qmail 23472 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 14:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 14:54:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67675C281B; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:54:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:54:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7E7C2932 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:54:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <26868411.18801222869443886.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-13-13.iburst.co.za ([41.213.13.13]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 716 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:57:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <035601c923c1$5c941a40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: FS 8mm OM-mount fisheye Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:49:30 +0200 References: <035601c923c1$5c941a40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 16:54:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e38f33279241585427447 And here I thought today was my lucky day, finding a Zuiko 8mm f/2.8 for sale... Sigh... :-) On 01 Oct 2008, at 2:29 PM, Piers Hemy wrote: > > I have an excellent condition OM-mount Sigma Filtermatic 8mm/4 > fisheye for > sale. This produces a circular image on OM bodies. > > There are no marks on the glass, inside or out, and cosmetically I > see no > faults. It is complete with front and rear caps, case and > instructions, and > is fitted with the internally-mounted 22.5m clear filter. > > Looking for GBP110/Euro140/USD200 (exc shipping from UK by agreed > method). > > I have been using this successfully on E-bodies as an ultrawide, and > can > include the aftermarket 4/3rds adapter I used if required (extra > GBP15/Euro20/USD30). The adapter has been shimmed to suit this > lens, which > otherwise will easily focus beyond infinity - it's very hard to see > on an > E-series focus screen! Keep in mind that although on 4/3rds the > lens gives > a rectangular image, barrel distortion is a feature of this lens, > but is > very easily corrected with PTLens. > > No images yet, but will be available if interested. > > Payment by bank transfer in GBP or Euro, or Paypal (at cost). > > -- > Piers > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 16:56:01 2008 Received: (qmail 11163 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 14:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 14:56:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18BCC3517; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:55:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:55:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.140]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8645BC343C for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:55:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [212.23.8.62] (helo=localhost) by smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Kl37F-0007LP-6R for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:55:49 +0000 To: Subject: [OM] Re: New gallery on home page From: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:55:49 GMT Errors-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [64.209.26.189] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: X-Originating-Smarthost01-IP: [212.23.8.62] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@m93.myzen.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 16:56:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e38f81251641499373980 Well, some of them were as good - thanks for posting... :-) Driven through/near the area many times but never stopped for a proper look at the battlefields... perhaps on the next trip. Quite close to Crecy, but that's not very photogenic, as I recall. Martyn Smoothy Donald wrote : > Just a quick note to say I have my summer shots up on > www.skelpitheid.com and to give you a warning. > > It's a 'quick and dirty' job, so the gallery just uses the same template > as the last time, which is too restrictive for the number of shots, > really. So it takes a little time to load and will probably require > scrolling. The thumbnails are at the bottom, and are small (50px). > > Mousing over the images will float a caption. Before anyone jumps on it, > the template won't allow me to use apostrophes in the captions, so I've > missed them out to get it to work. > > If anyone sees any other flaws, I'd appreciate the heads-up. Most of the > images are some way under 200k, at this size making them smaller is > tricky in terms of artefacts (wanna argue about that spelling?). > > D. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 17:02:06 2008 Received: (qmail 22717 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 15:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 15:02:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE19C3620; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:01:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:01:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC29C36CF for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:01:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23359 invoked by uid 518); 1 Oct 2008 15:01:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20081001150152.23358.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Today's What The Duck Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:01:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 216.117.194.58 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 17:02:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e390ee144817350615338 Our lovely wife Peg says "Right on!" She can't stand it when we want to discard certain photos of the grandkids because they don't meet our own definition of a good photo. Chuck Norcutt & Dr. Flash > -------Original Message------- > From: Ken Norton > Subject: [OM] Today's What The Duck > Sent: Oct 01 '08 14:42 > > > In the spirit of "better film, more megapixels making better pictures". > Today's whattheduck is dead-on.  This guy is definitely a pro. > > -- > Ken Norton > ken@zone-10.com > http://www.zone-10.com > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 17:10:20 2008 Received: (qmail 4426 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 15:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 15:10:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41F5C3FB2; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:09:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:09:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5520C3EDB for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:09:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kl3Kd-0007ry-Dj for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:09:39 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <035601c923c1$5c941a40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <26868411.18801222869443886.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Subject: [OM] Re: FS 8mm OM-mount fisheye Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:09:43 +0100 Message-ID: <037b01c923d7$bc16a030$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Ackj1aKd2NPlQswjQQCV+kLE3374kgAAUD2w In-Reply-To: <26868411.18801222869443886.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081001-0, 01/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8362/Wed Oct 1 00:23:46 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 17:10:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e392dc123181234514069 If it's the Zuiko you want, Dawid, take care, take great care. You might think that the front element is the delicate part - it might be vulnerable, but it can be replaced. It's the rearmost element that is the problem, because there are *no* replacement available, to the best of my knowledge, *anywhere*. I do know of a European OMrepait agent who sent a newly-supplied spare back to Olympus a couple of years ago, complaining that the coating was damaged. The duly accepted it back, inspected the others, and threw the lot away - all unfit for sale. Then they announced there were no more to be had. Masterful timing. As the agent said to me, "If I had known, I would have taken them all to have them polished and re-coated, as I did for the customer who brought the lens in for repair". I think Ian Wilcox here has a similar, though more personal tale of woe. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Dawid Loubser Sent: 01 October 2008 14:50 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: FS 8mm OM-mount fisheye And here I thought today was my lucky day, finding a Zuiko 8mm f/2.8 for sale... Sigh... :-) On 01 Oct 2008, at 2:29 PM, Piers Hemy wrote: > > I have an excellent condition OM-mount Sigma Filtermatic 8mm/4 fisheye > for sale. This produces a circular image on OM bodies. > > There are no marks on the glass, inside or out, and cosmetically I see > no faults. It is complete with front and rear caps, case and > instructions, and is fitted with the internally-mounted 22.5m clear > filter. > > Looking for GBP110/Euro140/USD200 (exc shipping from UK by agreed > method). > > I have been using this successfully on E-bodies as an ultrawide, and > can include the aftermarket 4/3rds adapter I used if required (extra > GBP15/Euro20/USD30). The adapter has been shimmed to suit this lens, > which otherwise will easily focus beyond infinity - it's very hard to > see on an E-series focus screen! Keep in mind that although on 4/3rds > the lens gives a rectangular image, barrel distortion is a feature of > this lens, but is very easily corrected with PTLens. > > No images yet, but will be available if interested. > > Payment by bank transfer in GBP or Euro, or Paypal (at cost). > > -- > Piers > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 17:26:09 2008 Received: (qmail 5546 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 15:26:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 15:26:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069D6C2F80; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:25:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:25:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35365C28D1 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:25:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.147] (helo=anti-virus03-10) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Kl3aP-0000U3-2f for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:25:57 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Kl3aO-0004md-KQ for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:25:56 +0100 Message-ID: <48E39696.2010703@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:26:14 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New gallery on home page References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 17:26:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e39691251031257536491 photo@m93.myzen.co.uk wrote: > Well, some of them were as good - thanks for posting... :-) > > Praising with faint damns, eh? ;-) We usually scoot right through here too. It's worth a visit, and a bit of prior research does pay off. There is something around just about every corner, but some are very easy to miss if you don't know about them. So many 'unknown', 'inconnu', 'unbekannt'... D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 17:32:53 2008 Received: (qmail 24650 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 15:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 15:32:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105E3C3492; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:32:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:32:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.239]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56485C287B for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:32:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c49so235883wra.17 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:32:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=PImMnoek2grWMpwQqNGfJ7CuwC8WxqQDcl1bZ2mhj/Y=; b=hzCKSjMgms9mQ1akszyDsG3Js/P63mgKh2lS0XXR3eXhlMlJgL7u/amcDMhsF14rE8 Q0D857TX7LaytCpxyOzK6n75XpQ60v8gorva4gv3bQpxmmo+O82lsr3rkvzJs/ypr37I Jf4RF26+OUec/i4hBbfiv8AK9W1cOy1l9Co8Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=sbPPaZ5fEY4OKiv7tspXuoDzCfLfW1Qs3esMWnT15oIHL42uReIwKF3xwfDV9X1Muf qzYgH/eO68VnpbJ1L8if3q/Map1F8UWtGlDvs31ytkDwNGuwzarONkhzU6jIqEmWw/PL NXKKjj0ZUcmBZk1G95T0GuVXVwzYHTnki4kOM= Received: by 10.90.94.12 with SMTP id r12mr5453103agb.28.1222875161213; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:32:41 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A film better than digital In-Reply-To: <20081001145257.15019.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081001145257.15019.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0f4e0bbff4d3bbd1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 17:32:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e39825318858512572685 Dr Flash's alter-ego wrote: >You should just stick with a Diana. Your brides will appreciate the artistic nature of the results. :) Yes, that Diana would help save us all the work of photoshop work to give us that "Diana Look" which we end up doing anyway. "Photoshop--Helping the Ugly Since 1989" AG http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 18:23:26 2008 Received: (qmail 21339 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 16:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 16:23:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52C2C3F1B; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:23:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:23:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A364BC374C for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:23:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kl4Tq-0008Ex-6A for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:23:14 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <48E386C4.8040604@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: [OM] Re: New gallery on home page Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:23:17 +0100 Message-ID: <038501c923e2$037a2f50$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Ackj0Jld1smFCvh8SVqpTmCD+vx+zAAD40GA In-Reply-To: <48E386C4.8040604@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081001-0, 01/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8362/Wed Oct 1 00:23:46 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 18:23:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3a3fe252361585427447 Thanks for the reminders, in more senses than one, Donald. We stood in the cemetery at Marfaux three years ago, with my wife's uncle, who until then had no idea where his father (1/6th Black Watch) had died (when his son was three years old). There was no marked grave, but the date, the progress of the 2nd battle of the Marne, and the terrain were all circumstantially definitive. His father had died in the fields and woods across the main road, along with about 800 others, a third of them unnamed casualties (as you will have seen) on 20 July 1918. www.cwgc.org does not list the regiment for unnamed graves - you have to visit to see how many there are, and the Seaforths and Black Watch stand out. All of them part-time Territorials, who had volunteered for "Home Defence" to replace the regulars posted to France. I will locate my own album and post it. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Donald Sent: 01 October 2008 15:19 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] New gallery on home page Just a quick note to say I have my summer shots up on www.skelpitheid.com and to give you a warning. It's a 'quick and dirty' job, so the gallery just uses the same template as the last time, which is too restrictive for the number of shots, really. So it takes a little time to load and will probably require scrolling. The thumbnails are at the bottom, and are small (50px). Mousing over the images will float a caption. Before anyone jumps on it, the template won't allow me to use apostrophes in the captions, so I've missed them out to get it to work. If anyone sees any other flaws, I'd appreciate the heads-up. Most of the images are some way under 200k, at this size making them smaller is tricky in terms of artefacts (wanna argue about that spelling?). D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 18:45:41 2008 Received: (qmail 18998 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 16:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 16:45:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19AAC3537; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:45:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:45:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB91C3535 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:45:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.136] (helo=anti-virus01-07) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Kl4pN-0001mT-DI for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:45:29 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Kl4p9-0000Pm-SQ for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:45:15 +0100 Message-ID: <48E3A92D.5060906@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:45:33 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New gallery on home page References: <48E386C4.8040604@blueyonder.co.uk> <038501c923e2$037a2f50$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <038501c923e2$037a2f50$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 18:45:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3a935161614673671140 Piers Hemy wrote: > Thanks for the reminders, in more senses than one, Donald. We stood in the > cemetery at Marfaux three years ago, with my wife's uncle, who until then > had no idea where his father (1/6th Black Watch) had died (when his son was > three years old). There was no marked grave, but the date, the progress of > the 2nd battle of the Marne, and the terrain were all circumstantially > definitive. His father had died in the fields and woods across the main > road, along with about 800 others, a third of them unnamed casualties (as > you will have seen) on 20 July 1918. www.cwgc.org does not list the regiment > for unnamed graves - you have to visit to see how many there are, and the > Seaforths and Black Watch stand out. All of them part-time Territorials, who > had volunteered for "Home Defence" to replace the regulars posted to France. > > I will locate my own album and post it. > > -- > Piers Andrew Easson was Fiona's paternal grandmother's brother. Fiona's gran visited with her daughter and son-in-law once. While there we found a Dalgarno, who might be related to the aforesaid son-in-law. As you say, so many Seaforths and Black Watch. Her other relatives are on the Thiepval memorial, two Stewart brothers with the Black Watch. Fiona's dad was also Black Watch, just too late to see service in WW2. They were on their way to the Far East when the war ended, and were diverted to occupation duty in Austria. As I mentioned once before, my mum's father and his brother both served and came home. No idea about the MacDonald side. But we did find a McLeod in Flatiron Copse from near my McLeod relatives in Skye... D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 19:01:19 2008 Received: (qmail 7050 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 17:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 17:01:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FB4C3434; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:01:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07ADC2A8D for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 101.red-81-39-71.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.71.101]:55381 helo=[192.168.2.101]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Kl53x-0000aM-7T (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:00:33 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840809302335q6e6b262ck9d96c640b0225abd@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Re: Genius of Photography Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:00:31 +0200 References: <94C5E5E17EE540409A8E91B916DC116F@user4fec106f50> <2A6934289BC543C1B5F5BD14EAA67008@user4fec106f50> <29469431.17371222631711157.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <251ADCF5D7284088B2C6D9807D2F119F@user4fec106f50> <8B5E714710CC4ED7A4D664972DF3F379@hudson> <71C4B946-100F-491C-A3D2-084C4633DAC8@threeshoes.net> <9f07ac840809302335q6e6b262ck9d96c640b0225abd@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 19:01:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3acdf168441499373980 Hi Jez, Just google "open proxy UK" and you will get a listing. To find a good one, you just have to try them one by one. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 1, 2008, at 8:35 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > So where/how do you find an open proxy? > jez (in belgium with a sky dish) > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Nathan Wajsman > wrote: > >> >> I think the BBC is the greatest UK national treasure. Fortunately, it >> has always been widely available in the places where I have lived. In >> the Netherlands, it was just part of our cable package (at least BBC1 >> and 2 plus Prime and of course BBC World). Here in Spain we only get >> BBC World which is better than nothing but a bit of a bummer since it >> means I can no longer watch Match of the Day on Sunday mornings, >> which >> used to be a significant part of my Sunday ritual. >> >> As for rights etc., as far as I can tell the main restrictions are on >> football, which is why you cannot view certain video streams on the >> web site if you access it from outside the UK. I have occasionally >> managed to view such contents by going through an open proxy with a >> UK >> IP address, but it is a bit clunky. >> >> Cheers, >> Nathan > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 20:14:09 2008 Received: (qmail 4527 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 18:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 18:14:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A531EC3649; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:13:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:13:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74150C35CC for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:13:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006B9C9648 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:30:50 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48E386C4.8040604@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: New gallery on home page Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:13:55 +0100 References: <48E386C4.8040604@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 20:14:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3bdf1139981702588592 Thanks, Donald. The thing won't scroll towards the end of the run, but the first lot, up to the Lochnagar Crater (what an excellent idea for a weapon, eh? Completely ineffective use of 30tons of HE!). I'm glad that these places are still there for us to muse upon the utter pointlessness of war. Chris On 1 Oct 2008, at 15:18, Donald wrote: > Just a quick note to say I have my summer shots up on > www.skelpitheid.com and to give you a warning. > > It's a 'quick and dirty' job, so the gallery just uses the same > template > as the last time, which is too restrictive for the number of shots, > really. So it takes a little time to load and will probably require > scrolling. The thumbnails are at the bottom, and are small (50px). > > Mousing over the images will float a caption. Before anyone jumps on > it, > the template won't allow me to use apostrophes in the captions, so > I've > missed them out to get it to work. > > If anyone sees any other flaws, I'd appreciate the heads-up. Most of > the > images are some way under 200k, at this size making them smaller is > tricky in terms of artefacts (wanna argue about that spelling?). > > D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 20:21:53 2008 Received: (qmail 4495 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 18:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 18:21:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26ECCC3131; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:21:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:21:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EC4C2CFF for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:21:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Kl6KT-0002hX-QC for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:21:41 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Kl6KT-0004sP-C5 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:21:41 +0100 Message-ID: <48E3BFC7.7070803@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:21:59 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New gallery on home page References: <48E386C4.8040604@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 20:21:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3bfc1213491035110158 Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks, Donald. > > The thing won't scroll towards the end of the run, but the first lot, > up to the Lochnagar Crater (what an excellent idea for a weapon, eh? > Completely ineffective use of 30tons of HE!). > > I'm glad that these places are still there for us to muse upon the > utter pointlessness of war. > > Chris > Scrolls on mine, but the laptop is a bit sluggish with it. And it gets jerky on the desktop at Brown's Copse. Can't think but that it must be a Mac problem.. ;-) Certainly a big hole, as is Hawthorne Crater, which I was also in. And yes, it's good we can still visit these places, though so many have been filled in and ploughed under, for a few euros more in subsidy... D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 20:35:32 2008 Received: (qmail 26760 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 18:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 18:35:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09CAC30EE; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:35:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:35:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79FAC3361 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:35:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so875849uge.14 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:35:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=rbMP9AvFSjMYHV+z15z+rwKDxIC5L7/PRR6FL5CILOU=; b=sGbmA8smPSn5FD96yKDxclK/rrK1YMCeX1D59jIaiAjm/XHPitigetU6dVRmn8V/iQ R/P5BsYzT68ieVnSmqR7d+oulSFzVP1qzrE32EtX5I+rlndU6LQqfyexE2O6q1Tc/Bpv E6n5TMecbHfUx1iMVtSDOZcY/nRyVjyglRqZw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=DyKykA/X4Bk2mF/uqJbENI4gWO0iJlOmcGqPBx6tDEPVhJIzVXGt7h5e86d/elCXe5 A31GiTqkTcqQ5mdx9OSTNjURt954Fe8RzXE0E/HlOkSPMM4v8jF0QgpwnT1TcQ7pa1U1 eAsUG9Bb6o1Ii0MfWUSHn7XsA3riBUEYOqbV4= Received: by 10.86.58.3 with SMTP id g3mr7631973fga.17.1222886119772; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.2 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0810011135o69e2d5e8nba70a73ceec7a2e0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:35:19 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New gallery on home page In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48E386C4.8040604@blueyonder.co.uk> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 20:35:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3c2f464517927319144 Nor did it work when it was tried by Union Forces during the American Civil War: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Crater Charlie On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > > Thanks, Donald. > > The thing won't scroll towards the end of the run, but the first lot, > up to the Lochnagar Crater (what an excellent idea for a weapon, eh? > Completely ineffective use of 30tons of HE!). > > I'm glad that these places are still there for us to muse upon the > utter pointlessness of war. > > Chris > > On 1 Oct 2008, at 15:18, Donald wrote: > > > Just a quick note to say I have my summer shots up on > > www.skelpitheid.com and to give you a warning. > > > > It's a 'quick and dirty' job, so the gallery just uses the same > > template > > as the last time, which is too restrictive for the number of shots, > > really. So it takes a little time to load and will probably require > > scrolling. The thumbnails are at the bottom, and are small (50px). > > > > Mousing over the images will float a caption. Before anyone jumps on > > it, > > the template won't allow me to use apostrophes in the captions, so > > I've > > missed them out to get it to work. > > > > If anyone sees any other flaws, I'd appreciate the heads-up. Most of > > the > > images are some way under 200k, at this size making them smaller is > > tricky in terms of artefacts (wanna argue about that spelling?). > > > > D. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 21:24:12 2008 Received: (qmail 25853 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 19:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 19:24:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBC4C2A9F; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:24:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:24:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27553C2CB2 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:24:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kl7Im-0007Gz-Ka for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:24:01 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <48E386C4.8040604@blueyonder.co.uk> <038501c923e2$037a2f50$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48E3A92D.5060906@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: [OM] Re: New gallery on home page Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:24:03 +0100 Message-ID: <039701c923fb$442727b0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Ackj5SMXcD32pkyeT62x08siAx0v5wABqO0g In-Reply-To: <48E3A92D.5060906@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081001-0, 01/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8362/Wed Oct 1 00:23:46 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 21:24:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3ce5c318597927319144 July 2005, at precisely the date of the battle 87 years earlier: http://www.hemy.me.uk/Miscellany/McKay/index.html -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Donald Sent: 01 October 2008 17:46 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New gallery on home page Piers Hemy wrote: --snip > I will locate my own album and post it. > > -- > Piers Andrew Easson was Fiona's paternal grandmother's brother. Fiona's gran visited with her daughter and son-in-law once. While there we found a Dalgarno, who might be related to the aforesaid son-in-law. As you say, so many Seaforths and Black Watch. Her other relatives are on the Thiepval memorial, two Stewart brothers with the Black Watch. Fiona's dad was also Black Watch, just too late to see service in WW2. They were on their way to the Far East when the war ended, and were diverted to occupation duty in Austria. As I mentioned once before, my mum's father and his brother both served and came home. No idea about the MacDonald side. But we did find a McLeod in Flatiron Copse from near my McLeod relatives in Skye... D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 21:34:32 2008 Received: (qmail 8408 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 19:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 19:34:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A98C2D9C; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:34:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:34:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F0BC303A for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:34:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <9068847.18561222862408169.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-52-105.iburst.co.za ([41.213.52.105]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 906 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:00:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <8e0ac9a30810010416s62757b91maa96439cd0f4022b@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: recommendations for tree menus Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:52:14 +0200 References: <48E302C9.24126.17A5F710@tom.abacurial.com> <7B9FD9C5DF8348FEB4D1CFA6DBB82627@hudson> <8e0ac9a30810010416s62757b91maa96439cd0f4022b@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 21:34:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3d0c818437927319144 Sorry list, I know this is off-topic: John/Fabio, What I always recommend, is to shy away *completely* from JavaScript-driven menus, do it with plain (X)HTML and CSS, so that your site will continue to work on mobile phones, voice browsers, etc. without the need to add in transformation gateways / portals etc. when you need it. A tree menu can be effected by simply using an HTML list: >
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    • .. you get the idea. No scripting or other junk. Then, a couple of simple rules in CSS could be attached to provide correct tree/drop- down menu behaviour. For example, rules like: > /* Hide sub-menus... */ > ul.menu li ul > { > display: none; > } > > /* ... Unless the user's mouse hovers over the sub-menu item */ > ul.menu li:hover ul > { > display: block; > } etc. Works like a charm for us - simple, configurable, non evil JavaScript. You really don't need any 'product' - commercial or free, to make this work better than most of those 'products' in anyway. regards, Dawid On 01 Oct 2008, at 1:16 PM, Fabio Fiorellato wrote: > > John, how complex is the tree you do need on your website? > > Consider that designing a simple (yet customizable) tree to embed in > a Web > site is a matter of minutes nowadays, with a total cost of 0$ in > software > licences. > > Take a look, for instance, at: http://jquery.bassistance.de/treeview/demo/ > > If you need further help / clarification, feel free to drop me a > mail... > > Ciao! > > Fabio > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:42 PM, John Hudson wrote: > >> >> I am looking for a tree menu system that can be used on one's web >> site. >> >> A google search brings up Sothink ........ >> www.sothink.com .......... on >> numerous occasions. There is a 30 day free review period after >> which it >> costs $59.95 for a licence. >> >> Are there any recommendations about sothink or other tree menu >> systems that >> are available? >> >> John Hudson >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > -- > The definitive answer to the meaning of life, universe and > everything else > is: 42. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 21:49:09 2008 Received: (qmail 13301 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 19:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 19:49:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7C3C2FD2; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:48:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:48:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EABC2C01 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:48:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([98.18.100.202]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081001194855.KQQI10841.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:48:55 -0500 Received: from XPS400.alltel.net ([98.18.100.202]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081001194855.PTQP3199.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:48:55 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:48:27 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Johnny Johnson Subject: [OM] Did someone say Moose? In-Reply-To: <8CA30F38C44A959-A7C-1B4A@webmail-dd06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA30F38C44A959-A7C-1B4A@webmail-dd06.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20081001194855.PTQP3199.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NotmjfUMTbkgSH2jWqbJuA==:17 a=ZFITY-aoAAAA:8 a=RWbJWvNwpUED5r-COjIA:9 a=jt-QepnRV58ojOllHNnVBUULFX0A:4 a=_KtGf5bnNxAA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jjohnso4@alltel.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 21:49:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3d4355182070262475 Saw by the side of the road between Anchorage and Seward, Alaska this past August. E-420 with Pany/Leica 14-150mm @ 109mm. Not near enough detail though to see if she had ticks. Later, Johnny __________________________ Johnny Johnson Cleveland, GA mailto:jjohnso4@alltel.net ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 22:03:09 2008 Received: (qmail 20662 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 20:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 20:03:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75828C3588; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:02:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:02:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7CEC3D67 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:02:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c49so280058wra.17 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:02:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=ShCZuf57plhRo6jnvKjzrC9Z46UtDa8YDT5SpoJsnNg=; b=hOBYiKqoI/xh9SCO4Y5e0z5G9SKTzYSuNShNGj0WRAH+NrD+G9i41B54PuGgxTWcrW uEcBuKG5m2GEjxW/9rAzmDi+9kSoMnsjPMe1pDUlKN47So95wlmiL9oyEG7cVUVLTAE1 CP5HLqX1Hp4iJCO32pX5RsAilxPe3SbfFDEbU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=iS6m4qNTXgYxOFC/Q2sEHiQ7TlfgjNQ0svzQlaGupTObqf8a5o0AURvb4aEdbHvFMA 1tgQPVcnS81tIojuDk3byKjXbEXDEoa2LD+6i0r7+ROJLUdBJcTS41dUofSu21zgDU0z ckvtSQ7qtARx8iS6n+0Oorjh0YvSPYsdRvhQw= Received: by 10.90.49.3 with SMTP id w3mr9511111agw.33.1222891350077; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:02:30 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Today's What The Duck In-Reply-To: <20081001150152.23358.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081001150152.23358.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c5f8d4e0a5e78b8c X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 22:03:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3d77d122151946193717 Chuck Norcutt and Dr Flash wrote: >Our lovely wife Peg says "Right on!" She can't stand it when we want to discard certain photos of >the grandkids because they don't meet our own definition of a good photo. And THEN the women in our lives pull the knife out and reinsert it with more deadly force by saying "why can't you take nice pictures like this with that $10,000 DSLR stuff? All you take are pictures of dead trees and ugly rocks." They just don't understand. http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 22:03:55 2008 Received: (qmail 23999 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 20:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 20:03:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AFAC3D8B; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:03:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:03:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5CFC3E67 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:02:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19244536.18931222870325323.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-13-13.iburst.co.za ([41.213.13.13]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 608 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:12:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:04:11 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 22:03:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3d7ab68951257536491 It sure doesn't smell of nicotine, and looks cosmetically good. Oh well, I will try to clean ti well once with lens cleaning fluid, (though a lens cleaning microfibre cloth didn't do anything) but otherwise I guess it's also off to John Hermansson when I send my kit to get CLA'd, since my OM-1n body is nowhere near as smooth as it ought to be. Since we are still busy setting up darkroom, I can live with this delay, otherwise it's be very frustrating to not be able to use the new toys :-) I must say, the 24/2.0 is a magnificently built lens - what a beauty! ...and so compact for what it does. It's a pity this one is yellow, it also appears darker than what it should be, testing indicates almost a stop darker. I'll let you know, will try some intense sun therapy in anyway, who knows. D. On 01 Oct 2008, at 3:52 PM, Timpe, Jim wrote: > > First time I've heard of yellowing in anything but the 55/1.2. Don't > think sun exposure would help that lens, as the cause must be > something > other than radioactive glass. Nicotine stains? > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of Dawid Loubser > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 12:31 AM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC > > > > Hi All, > > I purchased a 24mm f/2.0 MC (SN# 103xxx) on Ebay, which arrived today. > The lens looks fantastic, operates > smoothly, etc - but there is one problem: The lens has a substantial > yellow cast - when you look through > the viewfinder, it looks like a pretty strong warm-up filter has been > fitted. > > I plan to shoot exclusively B&W with this setup (I use my Mamiya and > Linhof for colour landscapes) but > I was wondering, is this a similar problem to the rare-earth elements > that yellow in the notorious early > copies of the 55mm f/1.2 lens? Did they use similar (rare-earth) > elements in the early 24/2.0 MC lenses? > > I have heard that placing a yellowed 55/1.2 in direct sunlight could > clear it up, is it worth trying with > the 24mm, or is this some other problem you guys know about? > > thanks for the expertise :-) I could live with this lens like this, > but obviously would prefer a slightly > less warm outlook on life, if possible. > > regards, > Dawid > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > This message (including any attachments) contains confidential > and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. > Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on > the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may > constitute a violation of law. 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You're just envious that I can get the rapid scrolling (and therefore invisible) effect on my wunnerful Macarooni! :-) Chris On 1 Oct 2008, at 19:21, Donald wrote: > Chris Barker wrote: >> Thanks, Donald. >> >> The thing won't scroll towards the end of the run, but the first lot, >> up to the Lochnagar Crater (what an excellent idea for a weapon, eh? >> Completely ineffective use of 30tons of HE!). >> >> I'm glad that these places are still there for us to muse upon the >> utter pointlessness of war. >> >> Chris >> > > Scrolls on mine, but the laptop is a bit sluggish with it. And it gets > jerky on the desktop at Brown's Copse. Can't think but that it must > be a > Mac problem.. ;-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 22:23:25 2008 Received: (qmail 11124 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 20:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 20:23:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEBFC2948; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:23:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:23:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF310C2B40 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:23:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so734215gxk.17 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:23:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=o45CHIqf8D6IMThiEVPoG3zl5EMe55OgULyEEbTSz10=; b=XsiZM4QY25FQ/pJLi0Z+N/WyR5h7ErB+7K/qVVfPtE3NEMvO+yTVJeQc/aSi4oRqf8 Rbv4c6ubsct7+WLfnNXmsc8qPmDatHmFfctb+qOg2VX0uPn3yRIBcTofWQasegxAE6Vh aAIJ/odKRtBP1XdeEeuozgSaFq5081fJbrgG4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=JpayZgPLHQqYFV6s7/PrRCC2gnGoAl5W7GvG8EWNIb0bzYUmEVgBi6BoBCCNfkYtMe cLDQ7GN3GJWr/FaAXPAJEtdqR7Jr2Jh4ROPvFjfjWg3V1CSHNX9r0gV1xhyoep62v+2e ax63AdFacZVCgYhzV0UsEiepPL+Spg8gBSkKM= Received: by 10.90.55.9 with SMTP id d9mr9539689aga.4.1222892591208; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:23:11 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC In-Reply-To: <19244536.18931222870325323.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <19244536.18931222870325323.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 993eb9c0e222f9a2 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 22:23:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3dc3d317911257536491 The yellowed glass will actually improve the B&W images in my experience. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 22:23:46 2008 Received: (qmail 12362 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 20:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 20:23:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21164C2B72; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:23:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:23:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6003AC34D9 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:23:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF60746166A for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:38:14 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <674F94E7-F57F-4A90-95E8-E7181C7FC366@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081001194855.PTQP3199.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Did someone say Moose? Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:23:12 +0100 References: <8CA30F38C44A959-A7C-1B4A@webmail-dd06.sysops.aol.com> <20081001194855.PTQP3199.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 22:23:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3dc52218142046811720 Heh! Good one, Johnny. Chris On 1 Oct 2008, at 20:48, Johnny Johnson wrote: > > > > Saw by the side of the road between Anchorage and Seward, Alaska this > past August. E-420 with Pany/Leica 14-150mm @ 109mm. Not near > enough detail though to see if she had ticks. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 22:32:08 2008 Received: (qmail 29937 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 20:32:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 20:32:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DACC2C41; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:31:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:31:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.113]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 68362C2878 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:31:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9152 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2008 20:31:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=HvtTdbrq2voEriOOpn1+X0TkkoxLz4i7kDZSWlh/G+hKdWP+kSS9WfjDKIPW8MDJp+Lg3D0oseyO0IvAASqhMIrm20AXsT3Dn45cypa6n6JpUP/YohaZhbQJoRgxFhZk7uuLJFRtpQD//FC7cKesbzkZewwPKyILHOxJGXcAfHQ=; X-YMail-OSG: rP4tbgcVM1lC9vzcn0EVdCTEM0V3DboD7GopMuPJEV9PEIzE4Q9dYUer1KZG2h47O3ofAxtHmmgAeWXCs8Kqvq439DUpDe3ZU8MdvChei1Yr.EN0x9meaj0mEdVWUy11oGsvWjMWfwEmYKtTf_6fU1ZIMd9bjPg1NbyfNMfbfNcUvj7dPGE- Received: from [76.21.138.45] by web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:31:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:31:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Beckrich Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <12198.8850.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rick_beckrich@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 22:32:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3de4858801744846740 Ken Norton wrote: The yellowed glass will actually improve the B&W images in my experience. AG   Agreed... back in the day I think I used a light yellow filter (a K-1?) on everything I shot with SuperXX and Adox KB17.   (Jeez, I'm old.) RB ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 22:58:53 2008 Received: (qmail 32728 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 20:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 20:58:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439B2C2DA3; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:58:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:58:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C402C34B8 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:58:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7483 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 20:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.156.139) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 20:58:20 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <2288369.18941222870530485.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <2288369.18941222870530485.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 06:58:37 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 22:58:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3e48d85071073733319 Here's the classic repair for a yellowed radioactive Pentax 50mm - http://www.hermes.net.au/bayling/repair.html Some of the single-coated Zuikos had a golden look to the coating. My 24/2 is elsewhere but I'll go check later - but it was one of the pro-grade lenses that was always multi-coated in some form as far as I remember. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/10/2008, at 12:07 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > By they way, a number of older Pentax and Canon lenses also suffer > from yellowing due to "radioactive" thorium glass, cured through > intense > sunlight exposure for a couple of days. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 23:01:41 2008 Received: (qmail 2161 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 21:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 21:01:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D957C37C1; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:01:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:01:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id C095AC33DB for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:01:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7627 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 21:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.156.139) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 21:00:13 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Today's What The Duck Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:00:29 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 23:01:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3e535243911993019900 Link? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/10/2008, at 12:42 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > > In the spirit of "better film, more megapixels making better > pictures". > Today's whattheduck is dead-on. This guy is definitely a pro. > > -- > Ken Norton > ken@zone-10.com > http://www.zone-10.com > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 23:02:01 2008 Received: (qmail 23966 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 21:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 21:02:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F2BC376A; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:01:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:01:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B791C3773 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:01:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7833 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 21:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.156.139) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 21:01:30 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20081001145257.15019.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> References: <20081001145257.15019.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <14CA441F-B868-4C36-BB46-D6D6AFF2AA5B@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: A film better than digital Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:01:47 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 23:02:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3e549166257350615338 But only if you glue a lens hood on to it so you look like a pro. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/10/2008, at 12:52 AM, wrote: > You should just stick with a Diana. Your brides will appreciate > the artistic nature of the results. :) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 1 23:46:30 2008 Received: (qmail 5879 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 21:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 21:46:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBF6C322C; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:46:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:46:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86ABC2E35 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:46:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so840664gxk.17 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:46:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=heCVjm5fuPP1V/Qp8r0IhoeJhQ6Lcc84DC6G/zErbkw=; b=j7fgkT+pKD6DY1WqSMVEXAZxd30tjiMlw7gWZ6tKiPyC7qDS4/JIa2Ruu0cr4qFqbt lO6cfECs3J3/jX0ISIal1NP5K4jo6dvfHyaMrAW3YZpFLQ3iNDvak1Rm53xLpNNiK0Tz Tiof9rvPAaElnBacNXqtUhTVhcKtCrJn4WufE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=rZqHSfSCV7U5ASeoaEgMPHfKcgvrEwlWh3ndx5FQbRFNp4NXvMMNp3/5ybsvL1sUin MAMo8SJXSMJkKqvjGiLHdzROFfv3YX74KWdrjL+O5RkIK0/+vQIiBalUvdx2CSY5NEz9 l14n6TVMoCy/jOHyt8AFePyoPu0rSfnEo9jAI= Received: by 10.90.49.8 with SMTP id w8mr9620747agw.46.1222897577992; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:46:17 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Today's What The Duck In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9b7e3eb1e4ba5efb X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 1 23:46:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3efb6275742046811720 www.whattheduck.net On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Link? > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/10/2008, at 12:42 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > > > > > In the spirit of "better film, more megapixels making better > > pictures". > > Today's whattheduck is dead-on. This guy is definitely a pro. > > > > -- > > Ken Norton > > ken@zone-10.com > > http://www.zone-10.com > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 00:32:35 2008 Received: (qmail 3021 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 22:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 22:32:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0616AC30B6; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:32:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBAEC336E for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:32:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.172]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m91MWK8m023878 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:32:20 +1000 Message-Id: <200810012232.m91MWK8m023878@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:32:20 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:32:20 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: FS 8mm OM-mount fisheye X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 00:32:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e3fa8320071946193717 Is this the same problem that occurs with the rear element of the 60-200mm zoom ? Anyway, the bottom line, buy the Sigma ! ...Wayne > Piers Hemy wrote: > > > If it's the Zuiko you want, Dawid, take care, take great care. You > might > think that the front element is the delicate part - it might be > vulnerable, > but it can be replaced. It's the rearmost element that is the problem, > because there are *no* replacement available, to the best of my > knowledge, > *anywhere*. I do know of a European OMrepait agent who sent a > newly-supplied spare back to Olympus a couple of years ago, complaining > that > the coating was damaged. The duly accepted it back, inspected the > others, > and threw the lot away - all unfit for sale. Then they announced there > were > no more to be had. Masterful timing. As the agent said to me, "If I had > known, I would have taken them all to have them polished and re-coated, > as I > did for the customer who brought the lens in for repair". > > I think Ian Wilcox here has a similar, though more personal tale of woe. > > -- > Piers > Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 01:23:56 2008 Received: (qmail 5931 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2008 23:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 23:23:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7070C285B; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 01:23:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:23:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073FAC2EAB for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 01:23:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MNFh1a0060QkzPwA2bPf4H; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:23:39 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([24.20.172.214]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MbPe1a00N4du4sg8NbPfP2; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:23:39 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nBW26SjWAAAA:8 a=UGcEwXH1QtWGO67emP4A:9 a=ES4TxWSTjkKhzdVFOq5aoTBoScIA:4 a=IKds56vswl8A:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Message-ID: <77D39D1DE8FF4A6597C269060998DD46@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] Re: Today's What The Duck Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:23:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pelaughlin@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 01:23:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4068c39151823421471 I liked yesterday's. Although, I usually get "Makes me look fat". Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 2:46 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Today's What The Duck > > www.whattheduck.net ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 02:01:16 2008 Received: (qmail 10217 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 00:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 00:01:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA1AC31D0; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 02:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12-qfe0.srvr.bell.ca [206.47.199.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E51C3180 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 02:01:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.89]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081002000103.HNJV1599.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:01:03 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsoJACqr40hMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIgW+8H4Fq Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 01 Oct 2008 19:57:30 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:01:01 -0400 Subject: [OM] A new set of European OO images From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: A new set of European OO images Thread-Index: AckkIfRrMwtAtpAVEd20cAAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <3285A85E343B4CACAF459E41235AFD88@PaulPC> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 02:01:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e40f4c261681744846740 Aujourd'hui quelques images belgique. These are from Marc Simon and were taken in winter '07-'08 in Tongeren and Bois-de-Villers, Belgium. They have been added to the temporary Odyssey "annex" Web site: Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 03:54:26 2008 Received: (qmail 22816 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 01:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 01:54:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9C7C2F86; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 03:54:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:54:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mta-w2.tc.umn.edu (mta-w2.tc.umn.edu [134.84.119.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B71DC2F58 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 03:54:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from cp-smhedman.tc.umn.edu (70-59-74-115.mpls.qwest.net [70.59.74.115]) by mta-w2.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:54:14 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] 70-59-74-115.mpls.qwest.net [70.59.74.115] #+TS+AU+HN Message-Id: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:54:11 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Curt & Sally Hedman Subject: [OM] [OT] World's Largest Moose... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Curtis.P.Hedman-1@tc.umn.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 03:54:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e429d293229117217770 Speaking of Moose... My son found this link while looking for some information on my ancestral homeland... good for a chuckle! Check out the animation files... I may just have to make a pilgrimage to my father's homeland when this is completed! http://www.storalgen.se/eng/index.php Curt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 04:30:26 2008 Received: (qmail 27320 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 02:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 02:30:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18C2C3811; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 04:30:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:30:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.184]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80577C3A66 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 04:28:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so441911fka.1 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:28:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=TthK0GRr3Jo2Gl/K98AXfmNDNQzuxotp/TwPPEOrHAM=; b=jjfCGg2j6QG39WTNN4PGxx4f3pihppBE7VzMZcdN1KDoLLn3UWHQ1JxzHOmHypSsn6 /gmvbKJrC1+XbzJXZXi2xltiqgq9R4NpAjac7xets8PmbZi4Vgvl3Jh+DhLBQlLCd9OP 8kjZETlVlwb00oIAXZiJOWvVOSa3IXL/Csj30= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=S/+9HLg2Bz352BcVcvCWukkCNoz9BkIh2m2CVftBWxiYO2OKGkhrTku3EEodx9E89M wzP39/5IM7yyZ+kkbH1sBkhnDWZD+MIDkl2cP9A2fSks4KbCHvLk32x/C+oo3piVF4yK yiQFluyQCeO+ipG+6k5zaqmOcvoCDAhz7VgLQ= Received: by 10.181.35.15 with SMTP id n15mr5103501bkj.70.1222914528257; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.28.8 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:28:48 -0600 From: "Mark Marr-Lyon" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <1338812.18111222846733665.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mark.marrlyon@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 04:30:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e43242257865368819438 Very early 50/1.4 lenses also contain a radioactive element and are yellow. The early 55/1.2 has two radioactive elements, so appears even yellower. Dawid, if you're curious, you could probably find a Geiger counter at a local school and find out if it is radioactive or not. Mark On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Timpe, Jim wrote: > > First time I've heard of yellowing in anything but the 55/1.2. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 04:35:10 2008 Received: (qmail 22425 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 02:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 02:35:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02C4C3075; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 04:34:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:34:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BA4C2E93 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 04:34:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so444581fka.1 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:34:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=FCp2lwiu8RwSKtDS2XtlKvDpE2mR4J47uqP36tkHtfY=; b=UMsWWd+mmg4Hznw0ayDNWUlrcHfcrHsrJOSjiv1lBcWh8N5P13GqdhvnApzbgIA58U +HvlVu+3vrs0otracKRBkFRJr8pbZ0s2JjeMXBAHtcpBdWh9ErZo/lbpJwCCnCnfYMnc /e4t/3wnV6p9S4pqtPi1MFeiLSJZKH35a9rDg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=BgXVwhcb7rnGoF4uftoybj49/setyIhSV3JJU2VrCDcWGiVV6+/nWjiO9t4jMmAczo W/xyauXFYYJqbtyd7ue1L0486PvLTtiPxBrqyRiF61XdjkLagE0p+az6VTA1SrYAkrYC ZslWSHySUrhXUX5XeqrPDEuAWwtQ0qLyKpavM= Received: by 10.181.23.2 with SMTP id a2mr5146503bkj.24.1222914899190; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.28.8 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:34:59 -0600 From: "Mark Marr-Lyon" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: FS 8mm OM-mount fisheye In-Reply-To: <26868411.18801222869443886.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <035601c923c1$5c941a40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <26868411.18801222869443886.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mark.marrlyon@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 04:35:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4335e199091035110158 KEH has an 8/2.8 for sale, listed in EX condition, so I would hope that the rear element is ok. Mark On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > > And here I thought today was my lucky day, finding a Zuiko 8mm f/2.8 > for sale... > Sigh... :-) > > On 01 Oct 2008, at 2:29 PM, Piers Hemy wrote: > > > > > I have an excellent condition OM-mount Sigma Filtermatic 8mm/4 > > fisheye for > > sale. This produces a circular image on OM bodies. > > > > There are no marks on the glass, inside or out, and cosmetically I > > see no > > faults. It is complete with front and rear caps, case and > > instructions, and > > is fitted with the internally-mounted 22.5m clear filter. > > > > Looking for GBP110/Euro140/USD200 (exc shipping from UK by agreed > > method). > > > > I have been using this successfully on E-bodies as an ultrawide, and > > can > > include the aftermarket 4/3rds adapter I used if required (extra > > GBP15/Euro20/USD30). The adapter has been shimmed to suit this > > lens, which > > otherwise will easily focus beyond infinity - it's very hard to see > > on an > > E-series focus screen! Keep in mind that although on 4/3rds the > > lens gives > > a rectangular image, barrel distortion is a feature of this lens, > > but is > > very easily corrected with PTLens. > > > > No images yet, but will be available if interested. > > > > Payment by bank transfer in GBP or Euro, or Paypal (at cost). > > > > -- > > Piers > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 04:36:07 2008 Received: (qmail 20212 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 02:36:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 02:36:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC86C30EA; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 04:35:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:35:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950E8C2DB0 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 04:35:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20081002023553H04009620ce>; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 02:35:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <1338812.18111222846733665.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:36:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 04:36:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e43397166961744846740 I have a Pentax Takumar 50/1.4 which is said to have this problem, and it has a very slight yellow cast. I have used it with both color film and B&W and see no obvious effect on either. I still consider it one of my better lens choices. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Marr-Lyon" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:28 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC > > Very early 50/1.4 lenses also contain a radioactive element and are > yellow. > The early 55/1.2 has two radioactive elements, so appears even yellower. > Dawid, if you're curious, you could probably find a Geiger counter at a > local school and find out if it is radioactive or not. > > Mark > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Timpe, Jim wrote: > >> >> First time I've heard of yellowing in anything but the 55/1.2. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 06:20:40 2008 Received: (qmail 29576 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 04:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 04:20:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61838C389E; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 06:20:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 06:20:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42FAC3699 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 06:20:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2061ADB5A5 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:20:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zswEla-jcrVW for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35311ADB596 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <33F9D56C-E536-43C9-B249-19C57FA66EBE@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081002013306.E8473C33AB@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: recommendations for tree menus Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:20:19 -0700 References: <20081002013306.E8473C33AB@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 06:20:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e44c18215801499373980 > From: John Hudson > > I am looking for a tree menu system that can be used on one's web > site. It might help to know more about the site and language or authoring system used. If it's PHP or some other open-source web authoring system, there are scads of open-source tree menus available. If it's some proprietary thing, you're probably stuck with whatever you can get at any price. :::: Human vs Yeast: which one has evolved enough to avoid consuming all their resources and dying in their own excrement? :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 07:26:33 2008 Received: (qmail 32756 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 05:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 05:26:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D388C369E; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:26:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224C4C2B71 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <21830118.20821222925648022.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-40-98.iburst.co.za ([41.213.40.98]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 530 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 05:34:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:26:11 +0200 References: <19244536.18931222870325323.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 07:26:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e45b89298811342116753 I agree, although the slight darkening (which seems to be almost a stop) does in a way negate using this lens over the smaller f/2.8 version :-) We will see. By the way, I contacted the seller about this problem, politely informing him of the significant yellow cast of the lens, which was not mentioned in the sale page. I didn't even insist on a refund or so (especially since all the shipping would cost more than the lens) but just asking him what he suggests we do about it. Have a look at the lovely response: > Message from 'treazurekat' (do NOT buy from this seller) > Stop whining; that's a $400 lens you moron! I ended the auction > early because eBay suspended me. I no longer sell used equipment on > eBay precisely because of cry babies like you; if you want a BRAND > NEW 24mm f2 lens go to a camera store and buy one for $2000.00! So yes, the point being, I am definitely buying from list members from now on - though (apart from my seeming bad luck with OM-gear) I have always had good eBay experience. Out of principle, I am going to file a dispute and take this further, this assclown should not be allowed to get away with an attitude towards his sellers like that. wishing you all a good day, Dawid On 01 Oct 2008, at 10:23 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > > The yellowed glass will actually improve the B&W images in my > experience. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 07:42:38 2008 Received: (qmail 22754 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 05:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 05:42:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A897C2D9C; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:42:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:42:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FE1C3297 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:42:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75010461521 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 06:57:28 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: A new set of European OO images Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 06:42:25 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 07:42:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e45f4e236963675314703 Lovely shots, Marc! We've just stayed in Belgium and it was great to see that scenery again. Chris On 2 Oct 2008, at 01:01, Michael Collins wrote: > Aujourd'hui quelques images belgique. These are from Marc Simon and > were > taken in winter '07-'08 in Tongeren and Bois-de-Villers, Belgium. > They have > been added to the temporary Odyssey "annex" Web site: > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 09:56:53 2008 Received: (qmail 28683 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 07:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 07:56:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEE9C329A; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:56:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:56:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C29C35D8 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:56:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so615852fge.11 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:56:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=f3F7Kwj3QPz6/uOrDBWIOXRpvm/ol0rcnTgK4AN+feU=; b=hvNxb/xQPubxn4BBvejb0bM41aQYjQp+Dk0hh5Ybcb7H4uCfohLgBFoqON1klATZq8 rUbhgjl1gLWSNgIQTHOMeO6bNz4so26vQCSx3wpX6eQsMh52BGdzJtRtEC53aC2P2tmz ugTtgcMawL2p8mdvs+BhC5X3YwfjbLZAOBfAQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=JjoahF+gmACRfosEJIvidVd3WfRJR8RpnulXPCrWlEv7V/mScGr2CT5x+n0VoagubU vHeUTJ2JxYFx9OcxOxQAGtr2kIlwXsKuOXE0/qmqV/llG0NalpnboUUQEmErtHjNUwzm L/TZk1sf+OIlcW3HBLAN0pICdPEPaOjTRqUd0= Received: by 10.180.236.14 with SMTP id j14mr5287647bkh.36.1222934201126; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.36.18 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8e0ac9a30810020056x3179aa23wffe0d0988a671ce3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:56:41 +0200 From: "Fabio Fiorellato" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: recommendations for tree menus In-Reply-To: <9068847.18561222862408169.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48E302C9.24126.17A5F710@tom.abacurial.com> <7B9FD9C5DF8348FEB4D1CFA6DBB82627@hudson> <8e0ac9a30810010416s62757b91maa96439cd0f4022b@mail.gmail.com> <9068847.18561222862408169.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: flowerside@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 09:56:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e47ec5212021470116606 Dawid, your analysis is quite complete and precise. The solution I suggested to John starts just from the assumption that the menu can be modeled as a simple HTML list, with a tad of Javascript to apply the hide / show effect on each node and store the node state via cookies if needed. Your proposal of using CSS to show / hide menu nodes by using the li:hover rule is definitely neat, but clashes with indecent browser (the Internet Explorer family, expecially the older ones) not properly managing the rule itself. See http://www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html in the *:hover*section. Anyhow, depending on John needs, both solutions (yours and the one I suggested early) can be easy to implement and maintain (not to mention that they can be made - almost - totally browser independent). The PHP (or, more generally, server side) solution, instead, relies on writing a bunch of code to be executed on the web server, in order to serve the new menu state to the client. Given the computing power of current clients (home PC etc.), I still am confident that it's better leaving the hide / show management of menu nodes on the client side (i.e. using Javascript / CSS to achieve the proper effect) rather than the server one. In conclusion, John has a lot of alternatives to chose from: the best one will depend on how much browser compatibility he wants to assure to the final page, on the management complexity of the menu itself (should it store its state through subsequent client requests?) and on the capabilities of the server that will host its web pages. Just a final statement (not intended to be polemic): the JavaScript libraries I pointed John to (and to which I am in no way affiliated, although I use them with satisfaction) are indeed free, but they're open source as well, which means a lot more things than 'free' alone :) Sorry again for this huge OT :) Ciao! Fabio On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > > Sorry list, I know this is off-topic: > > John/Fabio, > > What I always recommend, is to shy away *completely* from > JavaScript-driven menus, do it with plain (X)HTML and CSS, so that > your site > will continue to work on mobile phones, voice browsers, etc. without > the need > to add in transformation gateways / portals etc. when you need it. > > A tree menu can be effected by simply using an HTML list: > > >
      > >
    • > > Menu 1 > >
        > >
      • Option 1.1
        • > >
      • Option 1.2
        • > >
      • > > Option 1.3 > >
          > >
        • Option 1.3.1
          • > >
        • Option 1.3.1
          • > >
        > >
        • > >
      > >
      • > > .. you get the idea. No scripting or other junk. Then, a couple of > simple rules in CSS could be attached to provide correct tree/drop- > down menu > behaviour. For example, rules like: > > > /* Hide sub-menus... */ > > ul.menu li ul > > { > > display: none; > > } > > > > /* ... Unless the user's mouse hovers over the sub-menu item */ > > ul.menu li:hover ul > > { > > display: block; > > } > > etc. Works like a charm for us - simple, configurable, non evil > JavaScript. > You really don't need any 'product' - commercial or free, to make this > work > better than most of those 'products' in anyway. > > regards, > Dawid > > > On 01 Oct 2008, at 1:16 PM, Fabio Fiorellato wrote: > > > > > John, how complex is the tree you do need on your website? > > > > Consider that designing a simple (yet customizable) tree to embed in > > a Web > > site is a matter of minutes nowadays, with a total cost of 0$ in > > software > > licences. > > > > Take a look, for instance, at: > http://jquery.bassistance.de/treeview/demo/ > > > > If you need further help / clarification, feel free to drop me a > > mail... > > > > Ciao! > > > > Fabio > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:42 PM, John Hudson wrote: > > > >> > >> I am looking for a tree menu system that can be used on one's web > >> site. > >> > >> A google search brings up Sothink ........ > >> www.sothink.com .......... on > >> numerous occasions. There is a 30 day free review period after > >> which it > >> costs $59.95 for a licence. > >> > >> Are there any recommendations about sothink or other tree menu > >> systems that > >> are available? > >> > >> John Hudson > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ============================================== > >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > >> ============================================== > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > The definitive answer to the meaning of life, universe and > > everything else > > is: 42. > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > -- The definitive answer to the meaning of life, universe and everything else is: 42. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 10:20:22 2008 Received: (qmail 9927 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 08:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 08:20:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3ECC2E6A; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:20:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:20:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B42C3980 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:20:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KlJPu-0005EK-9d for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:20:10 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <19244536.18931222870325323.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <21830118.20821222925648022.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:20:12 +0100 Message-ID: <03e401c92467$b14636d0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckkT23NTbtvDmhGSyyP6yXT+iogeQAF3Hng In-Reply-To: <21830118.20821222925648022.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081001-0, 01/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8369/Wed Oct 1 21:24:58 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 10:20:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e48446290737350615338 Dawid, you certainly *should* make a complaint, because the seller already knew about the problem. Take a look at item 290241591666 which sold on 3 July 2008, with serial number 103601 in the description. A familiar number, perhaps? The purchaser gave negative feedback with the following comment "the return without fuzz policy from him is rubbish. Lens has fogg in the middle." A repeat recommendation here for http://toolhaus.org which provides quick and easy access to sellers' negative feedback history. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Dawid Loubser Sent: 02 October 2008 06:26 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC --snip Out of principle, I am going to file a dispute and take this further, this assclown should not be allowed to get away with an attitude towards his sellers like that. wishing you all a good day, Dawid --snip ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 10:33:10 2008 Received: (qmail 28353 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 08:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 08:33:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2B5C2D94; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:32:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:32:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A67C303E for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:32:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3204390.20851222936841963.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-196-2-101-129.wbs.co.za ([196.2.101.129]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 18 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:40:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <8e0ac9a30810020056x3179aa23wffe0d0988a671ce3@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: recommendations for tree menus Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:32:45 +0200 References: <48E302C9.24126.17A5F710@tom.abacurial.com> <7B9FD9C5DF8348FEB4D1CFA6DBB82627@hudson> <8e0ac9a30810010416s62757b91maa96439cd0f4022b@mail.gmail.com> <9068847.18561222862408169.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <8e0ac9a30810020056x3179aa23wffe0d0988a671ce3@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 10:33:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e48746225841744846740 Of course, "free" as in speech, not as in beer :-) Myself, and our establishment, are massive supporters of open-source, also to the point of publishing our commercial training under an open-source license for the benefit of the community. cheerio (we really need to take this off-topic topic off-list now :-) On 02 Oct 2008, at 9:56 AM, Fabio Fiorellato wrote: > > Dawid, your analysis is quite complete and precise. > > The solution I suggested to John starts just from the assumption > that the > menu can be modeled as a simple HTML list, with a tad of Javascript > to apply > the hide / show effect on each node and store the node state via > cookies if > needed. > > Your proposal of using CSS to show / hide menu nodes by using the > li:hover > rule is definitely neat, but clashes with indecent browser (the > Internet > Explorer family, expecially the older ones) not properly managing > the rule > itself. See http://www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html in the > *:hover*section. > > Anyhow, depending on John needs, both solutions (yours and the one I > suggested early) can be easy to implement and maintain (not to > mention that > they can be made - almost - totally browser independent). > > The PHP (or, more generally, server side) solution, instead, relies on > writing a bunch of code to be executed on the web server, in order > to serve > the new menu state to the client. Given the computing power of current > clients (home PC etc.), I still am confident that it's better > leaving the > hide / show management of menu nodes on the client side (i.e. using > Javascript / CSS to achieve the proper effect) rather than the > server one. > > In conclusion, John has a lot of alternatives to chose from: the > best one > will depend on how much browser compatibility he wants to assure to > the > final page, on the management complexity of the menu itself (should > it store > its state through subsequent client requests?) and on the > capabilities of > the server that will host its web pages. > > Just a final statement (not intended to be polemic): the JavaScript > libraries I pointed John to (and to which I am in no way affiliated, > although I use them with satisfaction) are indeed free, but they're > open > source as well, which means a lot more things than 'free' alone :) > > Sorry again for this huge OT :) > > Ciao! > > Fabio > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Dawid Loubser > wrote: > >> >> Sorry list, I know this is off-topic: >> >> John/Fabio, >> >> What I always recommend, is to shy away *completely* from >> JavaScript-driven menus, do it with plain (X)HTML and CSS, so that >> your site >> will continue to work on mobile phones, voice browsers, etc. without >> the need >> to add in transformation gateways / portals etc. when you need it. >> >> A tree menu can be effected by simply using an HTML list: >> >>>
        >>>
      • >>> Menu 1 >>>
          >>>
        • Option 1.1
          • >>>
        • Option 1.2
          • >>>
        • >>> Option 1.3 >>>
            >>>
          • Option 1.3.1
            • >>>
          • Option 1.3.1
            • >>>
          >>>
          • >>>
        >>>
        • >> >> .. you get the idea. No scripting or other junk. Then, a couple of >> simple rules in CSS could be attached to provide correct tree/drop- >> down menu >> behaviour. For example, rules like: >> >>> /* Hide sub-menus... */ >>> ul.menu li ul >>> { >>> display: none; >>> } >>> >>> /* ... Unless the user's mouse hovers over the sub-menu item */ >>> ul.menu li:hover ul >>> { >>> display: block; >>> } >> >> etc. Works like a charm for us - simple, configurable, non evil >> JavaScript. >> You really don't need any 'product' - commercial or free, to make >> this >> work >> better than most of those 'products' in anyway. >> >> regards, >> Dawid >> >> >> On 01 Oct 2008, at 1:16 PM, Fabio Fiorellato wrote: >> >>> >>> John, how complex is the tree you do need on your website? >>> >>> Consider that designing a simple (yet customizable) tree to embed in >>> a Web >>> site is a matter of minutes nowadays, with a total cost of 0$ in >>> software >>> licences. >>> >>> Take a look, for instance, at: >> http://jquery.bassistance.de/treeview/demo/ >>> >>> If you need further help / clarification, feel free to drop me a >>> mail... >>> >>> Ciao! >>> >>> Fabio >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:42 PM, John Hudson >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I am looking for a tree menu system that can be used on one's web >>>> site. >>>> >>>> A google search brings up Sothink ........ >>>> www.sothink.com .......... on >>>> numerous occasions. There is a 30 day free review period after >>>> which it >>>> costs $59.95 for a licence. >>>> >>>> Are there any recommendations about sothink or other tree menu >>>> systems that >>>> are available? >>>> >>>> John Hudson >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ============================================== >>>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>>> ============================================== >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The definitive answer to the meaning of life, universe and >>> everything else >>> is: 42. >>> >>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > -- > The definitive answer to the meaning of life, universe and > everything else > is: 42. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 12:28:58 2008 Received: (qmail 40 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 10:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 10:28:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367D9C33BB; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:28:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:28:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-s02.adinet.com.uy (smtp-s02.adinet.com.uy [200.40.30.62]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF941C3700 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:28:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.11.156] (190.135.11.156) by smtp-s02.adinet.com.uy (8.0.013.3) (authenticated as fgnzalez) id 48B84C27017B5D2C for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:28:43 -0300 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:28:41 -0300 Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <21830118.20821222925648022.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 12:28:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4a26a266381702588592 on 02/10/2008 02:26, Dawid Loubser at dawidl@solms.co.za, wrote: > Have a look at the lovely response: > >> Message from 'treazurekat' (do NOT buy from this seller) > >> Stop whining; that's a $400 lens you moron! I ended the auction >> early because eBay suspended me. I no longer sell used equipment on >> eBay precisely because of cry babies like you; if you want a BRAND >> NEW 24mm f2 lens go to a camera store and buy one for $2000.00! > WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????? Fernando ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 12:41:04 2008 Received: (qmail 29071 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 10:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 10:41:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72480C3E58; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:40:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:40:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7217FC3ED6 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:40:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5558331.20941222944482149.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-196-2-101-129.wbs.co.za ([196.2.101.129]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 290 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:48:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:40:06 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 12:41:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4a540114574673671140 I am serious, this was the response. I have opened a paypal dispute, which I will elevate to a claim if the seller does not comply by at least giving me a discount. The lens is in apparently mint condition, apart from the yellowing. But what a shocking response, eh? Sometimes, people amaze me. I'd love to send this lens to John and get it sorted, and am still going to try the thorium glass / sun conditioning theory, because the lens is mechanically and outwardly perfect. If the seller would partially refund, this would be very viable. - Dawid On 02 Oct 2008, at 12:28 PM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > on 02/10/2008 02:26, Dawid Loubser at dawidl@solms.co.za, wrote: > > >> Have a look at the lovely response: >> >>> Message from 'treazurekat' (do NOT buy from this seller) >> >>> Stop whining; that's a $400 lens you moron! I ended the auction >>> early because eBay suspended me. I no longer sell used equipment on >>> eBay precisely because of cry babies like you; if you want a BRAND >>> NEW 24mm f2 lens go to a camera store and buy one for $2000.00! >> > WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????? > > Fernando > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 12:41:18 2008 Received: (qmail 23339 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 10:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 10:41:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF9BC31F7; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:40:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:40:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1A2C3EFD for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:40:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KlLbh-0007n1-UW for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:40:30 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: Subject: [OM] Details of E-3 12-60 package FS Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:40:31 +0100 Message-ID: <043e01c9247b$4ba34b60$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Ackkez3CZLX+vcwAQBS1XsQg/rJxuQ== X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081001-0, 01/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8369/Wed Oct 1 21:24:58 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 12:41:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4a54e324311257536491 I mentioned what seemed to be a good value E-3 package available, previously posted on Fred Miranda's site. The seller has given me the following detail: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ E3 body complete in the box, 1850 shots on the meter 12-60 complete in box RRS bracket an extra Olympus battery the optional Olympus super charger as well as original charger that came with the body All together $1500 plus shipping for the set ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Shipping is from Jacksonville FL, and the seller describes the E3 as "almost new". He is selling to fund his newly acquired Canyon 300/2.8 I have no connection with the seller, other than as the satisfied buyer of another Olympus item he was selling, and can vouch for his performance on that deal. I do not have permission to post his email address, but will pass it on to any who are interested. -- Piers ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 12:59:31 2008 Received: (qmail 29508 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 10:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 10:59:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B51C3A36; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:59:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:59:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (mail.bbp.ch [193.73.134.71]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DAE1C3C21 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:59:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ronald.localdomain (unverified) by mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:59:21 +0200 Received: from ianwmac.local (unknown [172.22.111.60]) by ronald.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E475D04 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:58:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48E4A983.8040807@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:59:15 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: FS 8mm OM-mount fisheye References: <035601c923c1$5c941a40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <26868411.18801222869443886.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <037b01c923d7$bc16a030$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <037b01c923d7$bc16a030$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 12:59:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4a99315631073733319 I had posted a few messages from my gmail account but they never appeared or gave an error, so I will try again from my yahoo account. here is a repost to the specs problem. sorry to the older listees but some of the new ones won't have seen this Things have to be really bad for specks to affect pictures this was the rear element of my fungal fisheye - one that was described as pristine but arrived like this http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/613944_WsNbX#45028210_8Q2gN and this was a picture taken with it before I separated the elements cleaned and got it reglued - (full details in the archives). http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/613944_WsNbX#45028843_twNhG I think it was our much missed walt (apologies to whoever it was if it wasn't) who did a test with a large piece of black insulation tape on the front element of a lens and then asked us to guess which was with or without. welcome Dawid by the way, meant to say do before but things are busy here at the moment Ian W Piers Hemy wrote: > If it's the Zuiko you want, Dawid, take care, take great care. You might > think that the front element is the delicate part - it might be vulnerable, > but it can be replaced. It's the rearmost element that is the problem, > because there are *no* replacement available, to the best of my knowledge, > *anywhere*. I do know of a European OMrepait agent who sent a > newly-supplied spare back to Olympus a couple of years ago, complaining that > the coating was damaged. The duly accepted it back, inspected the others, > and threw the lot away - all unfit for sale. Then they announced there were > no more to be had. Masterful timing. As the agent said to me, "If I had > known, I would have taken them all to have them polished and re-coated, as I > did for the customer who brought the lens in for repair". > > I think Ian Wilcox here has a similar, though more personal tale of woe. > > -- > Piers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Dawid Loubser > Sent: 01 October 2008 14:50 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: FS 8mm OM-mount fisheye > > > And here I thought today was my lucky day, finding a Zuiko 8mm f/2.8 for > sale... > Sigh... :-) > > On 01 Oct 2008, at 2:29 PM, Piers Hemy wrote: > >> I have an excellent condition OM-mount Sigma Filtermatic 8mm/4 fisheye >> for sale. This produces a circular image on OM bodies. >> >> There are no marks on the glass, inside or out, and cosmetically I see >> no faults. It is complete with front and rear caps, case and >> instructions, and is fitted with the internally-mounted 22.5m clear >> filter. >> >> Looking for GBP110/Euro140/USD200 (exc shipping from UK by agreed >> method). >> >> I have been using this successfully on E-bodies as an ultrawide, and >> can include the aftermarket 4/3rds adapter I used if required (extra >> GBP15/Euro20/USD30). The adapter has been shimmed to suit this lens, >> which otherwise will easily focus beyond infinity - it's very hard to >> see on an E-series focus screen! Keep in mind that although on 4/3rds >> the lens gives a rectangular image, barrel distortion is a feature of >> this lens, but is very easily corrected with PTLens. >> >> No images yet, but will be available if interested. >> >> Payment by bank transfer in GBP or Euro, or Paypal (at cost). >> >> -- >> Piers >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > -- Iechyd da IanW ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 13:35:49 2008 Received: (qmail 28408 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 11:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 11:35:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27468C2EC5; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:35:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:35:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (mail.bbp.ch [193.73.134.71]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A1FC3948 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:35:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ronald.localdomain (unverified) by mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:35:43 +0200 Received: from ianwmac.local (unknown [172.22.111.60]) by ronald.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8CA5D04 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:34:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48E4B209.70106@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:35:37 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] List Problems with GMAIL References: <035601c923c1$5c941a40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <26868411.18801222869443886.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <037b01c923d7$bc16a030$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48E4A983.8040807@yahoo.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48E4A983.8040807@yahoo.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 13:35:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4b215288461702588592 Strange things are happening with my gmail account, when I post they don't appear and when view the message I just posted I don't see the first two lines, I know there are other list problems, but is anyone else experiencing this swisspace wrote: > I had posted a few messages from my gmail account but they never > appeared or gave an error, so I will try again from my yahoo account. > > > here is a repost to the specs problem. -- Iechyd da IanW ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 13:41:46 2008 Received: (qmail 13414 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 11:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 11:41:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C5CC3F3F; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:41:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:41:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.234]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9FDC3FEF for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:41:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so989202rvb.29 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:41:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=h5cn6/UUCcywISmVusxTOYUtSmlMMA/a9bSJ7r5+1EM=; b=tkz7Q2j1EzUfGC+/0hVi2s8xFfZDJvZ23G7RUGh5pvjatFpQjB8VUJ78k4WEHCQKT7 1zB1s/0pql5BJMCnWNO/ly9TFL+uYi3Bn3HgQ/jJ4SfSd6w5bM4Qf9J9RrHW43JjCXwc GeZkYhu+Mfb0DcLMjxPxbcx5/YgVbKmJoXreE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=HzNYFnCwG1de6MVMgS5htugLhuXws+XjqwiYyfNUrIST4E8ogx1TwESPeVoo6+INmk lGqvIf8tejHVKfj5AzSSG3DId9MBA05HKTI57hzWQCOOnId/fiCz0bksIgV6YZugOHsN m6bUdthNMQvGiaemiF56edykcKZjRDM27kHEQ= Received: by 10.114.36.4 with SMTP id j4mr10602668waj.156.1222947679429; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 04:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810020441x9049783i6d584f3b32260c0b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:41:19 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List Problems with GMAIL In-Reply-To: <48E4B209.70106@yahoo.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <035601c923c1$5c941a40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <26868411.18801222869443886.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <037b01c923d7$bc16a030$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48E4A983.8040807@yahoo.co.uk> <48E4B209.70106@yahoo.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2b9cc80ed5110b8f X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 13:41:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4b37a13831993019900 I never see my own list postings with gmail (unless the appear in a thread with others). But I've not seen any issues with missing lines. jez On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:35 PM, swisspace wrote: > Strange things are happening with my gmail account, when I post they > don't appear and when view the message I just posted I don't see the > first two lines, I know there are other list problems, but is anyone > else experiencing this > swisspace wrote: > > I had posted a few messages from my gmail account but they never > > appeared or gave an error, so I will try again from my yahoo account. > > > > > > here is a repost to the specs problem. > > > -- > Iechyd da > IanW > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 13:42:10 2008 Received: (qmail 12160 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 11:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 11:42:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B237BC406F; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:41:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:41:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (mail.bbp.ch [193.73.134.71]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E65CC4049 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:41:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ronald.localdomain (unverified) by mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:41:39 +0200 Received: from ianwmac.local (unknown [172.22.111.60]) by ronald.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135A55D04 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:40:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48E4B36D.9090303@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:41:33 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List Problems with GMAIL References: <035601c923c1$5c941a40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <26868411.18801222869443886.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <037b01c923d7$bc16a030$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48E4A983.8040807@yahoo.co.uk> <48E4B209.70106@yahoo.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48E4B209.70106@yahoo.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 13:42:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4b392110094673671140 I should clarify I have two email accounts registered one yahoo and one gmail, I would prefer gmail because its imap and I can read messages from the various machines I use (6) and it automatically marks them read however I have never fully trusted it and I don't like that I can't see messages I have sent so I kept my yahoo account registered. When I post messgages from my gmail account they no longer arrive and the message I just posted from yahoo looks fine on that account but in the gmail account the first two lines are missing. so maybe thats why the list is quite nobody can post from gmail accounts ;-) swisspace wrote: > Strange things are happening with my gmail account, when I post they > don't appear and when view the message I just posted I don't see the > first two lines, I know there are other list problems, but is anyone > else experiencing this > swisspace wrote: >> I had posted a few messages from my gmail account but they never >> appeared or gave an error, so I will try again from my yahoo account. >> >> >> here is a repost to the specs problem. > > -- Iechyd da IanW ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 14:04:45 2008 Received: (qmail 25918 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 12:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 12:04:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B740C3207; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:04:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:04:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527FAC2EAE for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:04:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so629008wah.1 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:04:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=QBXRoUT625SRdDvC8py3hqtfjEDIfoEyyRxR45TuOog=; b=QzJK+pUZcseb5m2gUxt4xrf+AAvZEZ9likNjVvUXzNmK6o/r/9YlZHeKU89sCXoHYZ vde8LaPeu4E5aW6S5B4OhdfemsWbTELmczilSPCM9BwVj6waRQ+oGltY6A9qbR+/MU93 nW/s5vw3qF51S53BzGCY+S33mkWcHMG8H7LaE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=FHtlocPtsNmnwjfX3Pu//l3krA6VJxzuw2Czl3lXo2X20mlikwdW9iilJRMITUqc2k iw/WQOzIP4AKPpA+zuDmOhKSlAMO+zrbN1Bm7JzFuCkpxWgKCN/15VDs3eyWsoi7LhUv rI7bHHeRXog2j2ACnAyUEd9CD/sNfpSuR4HTk= Received: by 10.115.58.1 with SMTP id l1mr10670641wak.27.1222949071544; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 05:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810020504o87f487fo4bd750d7dd5a4989@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:04:31 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List Problems with GMAIL In-Reply-To: <48E4B36D.9090303@yahoo.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <035601c923c1$5c941a40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <26868411.18801222869443886.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <037b01c923d7$bc16a030$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48E4A983.8040807@yahoo.co.uk> <48E4B209.70106@yahoo.co.uk> <48E4B36D.9090303@yahoo.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 29b16aa525c69ae3 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 14:04:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4b8dd288841585427447 works fine for me On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:41 PM, swisspace wrote: > I should clarify I have two email accounts registered one yahoo and one > gmail, I would prefer gmail because its imap and I can read messages > from the various machines I use (6) and it automatically marks them read > however I have never fully trusted it and I don't like that I can't see > messages I have sent so I kept my yahoo account registered. When I post > messgages from my gmail account they no longer arrive and the message I > just posted from yahoo looks fine on that account but in the gmail > account the first two lines are missing. > > so maybe thats why the list is quite nobody can post from gmail accounts > ;-) > > swisspace wrote: > > Strange things are happening with my gmail account, when I post they > > don't appear and when view the message I just posted I don't see the > > first two lines, I know there are other list problems, but is anyone > > else experiencing this > > swisspace wrote: > >> I had posted a few messages from my gmail account but they never > >> appeared or gave an error, so I will try again from my yahoo account. > >> > >> > >> here is a repost to the specs problem. > > > > > > -- > Iechyd da > IanW > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 14:05:12 2008 Received: (qmail 2776 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 12:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 12:05:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBCBC2C66; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:05:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:05:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267FFC2783 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:05:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1003432uge.14 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:05:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=aco8C8hQQuXGDpYm4DYo1EdXsXv1bfUcWotgozP7mlU=; b=Adrg2BiJ5FJqnYyluCQar4isc3/pzqzf38Pf1NP8AV14vUvOM8J5fhxqXgxUVUgR/7 dhzahcXefa25D8M3UTCxTDU8IDVbx3RLU44UESFlvQoQt8cyGpD2wW6HklyNCVc9ui4b 6xvje3oMWrFiOtNKJXcfbJMrMU/0aaciLhCBU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=woKKEK85PVlbse66FWGPwqKcQduKL/95vCFWKFiqweWF+VXtC6f6OYOJvQoljGDhjT QeJ/rwopadSd6fqJYA2T+oe8qwubeEXWjvSa8612BJL6BXwrOFZtlD4XDXQpkua55P6l vkuNJQy5ZX+4wy66HiteIekEH9T3RbXtkELsc= Received: by 10.210.63.5 with SMTP id l5mr8851132eba.61.1222949101006; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 05:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:05:00 +0300 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] New Balkan Tours MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 14:05:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4b8f8121161585427447 Hi all. Having a great trip here - had to find a chance to post some photos as there will be too many for anyone to look at by the time I get back. This is a painfully tight edit of travels so far, Sofia - Nessevar - Bourgas - Sozopol where we had to hole up for a couple of days to weather a Black Sea Storm. http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/new_balkan_tours Heading off again at the weekend to go down to Thessaloniki and have a look at the Agean; great stuff! Tom PS Still no oly content (although I have my 420 wrapped in some socks as an emergency backup...) - my zuiko adaptor arrived an hour after I left. Next time... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 14:37:31 2008 Received: (qmail 24544 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 12:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 12:37:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC18C3D26; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:37:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:37:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290EDC3C21 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:37:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so487776nfi.19 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:37:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7mZcCnrmzZNq6UzJT/Rgh7xAL0y15RYPUDY0Isia/5A=; b=u4wgLhiq9BrYffH2xNeCwWevqxT3sYQ+tdy4JKe+BoTWvCHnbxqjXTwgby7RlArr6k obpt6fYznige3tPbdOiz6XNKtaOl81OvHGrgTfYfkNjaLcUUPfvk/wZRAdi/GJZobBcO hdtCDGgSYjKOTqAuoOHTTl/pU3g2isdsDbU9M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RyLnBZM3VY/QWohudgOC2k8kn8W12Cu1HZqBMEY6YautOF7SUc28boJtu9rMiL/pC5 Ps7Ky3YccE/lkRtBAJsohnfiWClnk3qCLCAe9BSK0jjHmGmd9XK32uTt45rbhBkT7i1p U62kPE8aEeGQ1EQCmxXBKwLXOnc2mszBuWqRo= Received: by 10.103.11.7 with SMTP id o7mr6728969mui.103.1222951039347; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ianwmac.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j2sm5833845mue.4.2008.10.02.05.37.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48E4C07D.5070405@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:37:17 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] [OT] Any nis+ experts on the list? - References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 14:37:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4c08b144334673671140 Trying to send from my gmail account again, by the was if anyone knows nisplus really well I need some help. Thanks Ian W ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 14:53:54 2008 Received: (qmail 1784 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 12:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 12:53:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEBDC3F63; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:53:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:53:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id A9C22C3F7E for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:53:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3642 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 12:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.156.139) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 12:53:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <21830118.20821222925648022.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <19244536.18931222870325323.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <21830118.20821222925648022.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <43FE1A8C-5E7B-4CBE-AD6A-3CB93C86594F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:53:28 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 14:53:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4c462134665368819438 That's foul - he no longer sells on ebay because he's a useless prick with no idea and got himself suspended, rightly so. Go for full Paypal reversal - screw the cretin. You might even get the postage back as well, as I did once. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/10/2008, at 3:26 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > By the way, I contacted the seller about this problem, politely > informing him of the significant > yellow cast of the lens, which was not mentioned in the sale page. I > didn't even insist on a refund > or so (especially since all the shipping would cost more than the > lens) but just asking him what > he suggests we do about it. Have a look at the lovely response: > >> Message from 'treazurekat' (do NOT buy from this seller) > >> Stop whining; that's a $400 lens you moron! I ended the auction >> early because eBay suspended me. I no longer sell used equipment on >> eBay precisely because of cry babies like you; if you want a BRAND >> NEW 24mm f2 lens go to a camera store and buy one for $2000.00! > > > So yes, the point being, I am definitely buying from list members from > now on - though (apart from my > seeming bad luck with OM-gear) I have always had good eBay experience. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 14:57:31 2008 Received: (qmail 2994 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 12:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 12:57:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40797C36AB; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:57:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:57:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A5A0C39A5 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:57:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3820 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 12:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.156.139) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 12:56:56 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <5558331.20941222944482149.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <5558331.20941222944482149.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <54AF84E9-278B-4BF7-9216-3EB5E3D5EB27@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:57:13 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 14:57:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4c53b220841591313764 Sun is good for killing fungus but I can't see how it would corrected a lens yellowed by radioactive decay of rare earth elements like Thorium. You seem to be in a bit of a funk over these purchases - the best advice has been given already. Go shoot and see if you like the results. That's all that counts in the end. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/10/2008, at 8:40 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > I'd love to send this lens to John and get it sorted, and am still > going > to try the thorium glass / sun conditioning theory, because the > lens is > mechanically and outwardly perfect. If the seller would partially > refund, > this would be very viable. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 15:01:15 2008 Received: (qmail 4595 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 13:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 13:01:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFF0C4057; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:01:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:01:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FE8FC3D75 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:01:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3968 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 13:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.156.139) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 13:00:03 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] World's Largest Moose... Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:00:20 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 15:01:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4c61b14761591313764 Chortle - it's nice to see that other nations are getting into the big stuff too. Andrew Fildes (in Aus where you'll find the giant pineapple, the monstrous concrete koala, a huge mullet, a prodigious prawn, a whopping great golf ball that used to be an apple but went broke.......) afildes@people.net.au On 02/10/2008, at 11:54 AM, Curt & Sally Hedman wrote: > Speaking of Moose... > > My son found this link while looking for some information on my > ancestral homeland... good for a chuckle! Check out the animation > files... I may just have to make a pilgrimage to my father's homeland > when this is completed! > > http://www.storalgen.se/eng/index.php > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 15:20:38 2008 Received: (qmail 19710 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 13:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 13:20:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A5BC3419; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:20:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:20:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5B1C38A4 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:20:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <13592850.20991222953489596.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-196-2-101-129.wbs.co.za ([196.2.101.129]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 58 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:18:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <54AF84E9-278B-4BF7-9216-3EB5E3D5EB27@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:10:15 +0200 References: <5558331.20941222944482149.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <54AF84E9-278B-4BF7-9216-3EB5E3D5EB27@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 15:20:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4caa6107791073733319 Apparently, UV light brings about a change in the state of the electrons in the thorium glass. But even without it, the yellow will by quite nice for B&W work, yes :-) Andrew, I am actually not in a funk at all - I am sitting here looking at this beautiful OM-1n with a couple of nice lenses, I just can't shoot it yet because I am way, way too busy at work, and (for B&W work) we are still setting up darkroom. So I am patiently gathering kit. I am, despite all this nonsense, still a very happy camper! I cannot imagine a better looking and handling combo than an OM-1n with the 24/2.0, it is just so "right" ...! I look forward to post to this mailing list my first hand-printed shots from this camera, but it'll still be a while, and I really want to get it CLA'd before I start really using it. Thanks for the support! D. On 02 Oct 2008, at 2:57 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Sun is good for killing fungus but I can't see how it would corrected > a lens yellowed by radioactive decay of rare earth elements like > Thorium. > You seem to be in a bit of a funk over these purchases - the best > advice has been given already. Go shoot and see if you like the > results. > That's all that counts in the end. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/10/2008, at 8:40 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> I'd love to send this lens to John and get it sorted, and am still >> going >> to try the thorium glass / sun conditioning theory, because the >> lens is >> mechanically and outwardly perfect. If the seller would partially >> refund, >> this would be very viable. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 16:11:22 2008 Received: (qmail 19665 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 14:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 14:11:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFADC37ED; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:11:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:11:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB19DC3E58 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:10:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so1491032gxk.17 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:10:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=/7xxue1ZUhFgoBeoraIwrz4qepoLLDT2+GZjc2Q2MvM=; b=tykrLdrD6n7UkQNSGA/y3j5JBhaweOk/FUBBnmYY/YrlMuAcFTgn0ZA3Ui3PRcZMvR 5jdaC4iMLWSAHG2axlzl/3DaJYDJlhSY/hiMefak5dugDtTsZvGEj59S/H++HvHD5hLD hw1di4oSu3cbQJMyq+sY+MmoS3qfaP2mlyf0k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ov/3hdZB7K5FC7iAertXzDr/21GU6fspO5e6JzLvfFxio5ztZzrl12OwH10Xy656BH aYu+SLpMNg5/idzshDdA/IXWnZb73cPYQ3LhCOFMyqQTu1miO0eWOlCup/cCJEN+sPXJ 8p7ik3nOGXV0QTuj9ymy31Vh3Fjzi3JPV7JmI= Received: by 10.90.29.17 with SMTP id c17mr10675499agc.70.1222956650913; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:10:50 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC In-Reply-To: <13592850.20991222953489596.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <5558331.20941222944482149.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <54AF84E9-278B-4BF7-9216-3EB5E3D5EB27@people.net.au> <13592850.20991222953489596.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Google-Sender-Auth: fb07a1f4ae6a83ae X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 16:11:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4d68a212431073733319 I'd be more than happy to take that garbage lens off your hands. I'm sure I can try to figure out how to take a few pictures with a yellowed lens. ;) What an incredible response from that dweeb. I too, would go for a full reversal of funds and NOT return the lens. Make him go after you for the return of it. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 16:15:16 2008 Received: (qmail 1196 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 14:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 14:15:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56AB6C35CE; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:15:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:15:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8C9C2D02 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:15:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so1497421gxk.17 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:15:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=VWh19oxVqQBp/47FcqKFp9wGtTM6MQghaLkkyTx5kJs=; b=F+ODtabqX7d0tnSqGDwTUVVpUeaddop1k8zTjd/EEQRnImqdeROlBVuOhhsXjRLrIc 5khAMuMrGQ4XrhjfLPpl1RBWRWRRkklpvCNVJxQKqNmjYtVaNgTPxLGkXhQGdrn+qeKf +Q1m7Q2xcdYpR0KFZ3MwvIjB/9xWxXYtXNRIE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LP0OdatpAbzjxAC+7OzLG0h7NHXfQK6z8qQ9rp1QAM+HtQNhN0yeXcy5cr1q9USBXw q2dqb3tJ0CDCa+6IyCom+i4m8arqry23WKyldDPiB6nuMoQ6bZiCLPuhZpvW5/L7zXcQ 2pW0dJUG7H/8vZ4zeHlrGPhp5TDDdwL77YvMo= Received: by 10.90.86.9 with SMTP id j9mr10658314agb.83.1222956902001; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:15:01 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List Problems with GMAIL In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840810020504o87f487fo4bd750d7dd5a4989@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <035601c923c1$5c941a40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <26868411.18801222869443886.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <037b01c923d7$bc16a030$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48E4A983.8040807@yahoo.co.uk> <48E4B209.70106@yahoo.co.uk> <48E4B36D.9090303@yahoo.co.uk> <9f07ac840810020504o87f487fo4bd750d7dd5a4989@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 035db6a5d87cc71e X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 16:15:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4d774107801234514069 The trick with gmail is that when you reply to a list message, that you change the "From" to the account which is actually registered with the OM list. Your post will be rejected if it is from an unregistered email address. I have three different accounts in my gmail system and half the time I'm sending from the wrong one and wondering why the listserve is broke again. As to the disappeared lines. This probably has to do with how you have the options setup for quoted text. That is also why I change my quoted text lines to have ">" symbols in front of them instead of gmail's "|" marks. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 16:19:15 2008 Received: (qmail 31120 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 14:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 14:19:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E84C2D4B; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:19:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:19:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169C0C3249 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:19:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so662632wah.1 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:19:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=hMxEtyn2w+0S3aMrpusYt1lI1pHLsd+YcQFdfdZKBLI=; b=BQm2M1MwoLZGaZ2rErgxB9Lv18Q1Q42iXS3s6UGunRs4s2MnveermwTiqlqAs64Cu6 1tGg4jl4XOMUasjbs8FvdKY4GqVYPgboXgR9Mg+Vqf2h5u4QjJTPaSzEShT2/1eORa67 b/RXRC0CGOhTpZg8tWQ4D9KNhRbjGXAqu+Ttw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=aQdJjFNRbSiFs4vBDwhkGEsxQC1LcSaz8HTnxAIPd9b7mUnlfhoB2QJ4dyfx5mxcR6 XAznL0XeY8AoWonP13o0DrTSGI3Gbc+ya5Hyo/5ErXDL4z6d7KbYDYotaukJSH/gRB5R LnCma/AV5f1LAlKxhhMHPRtaO0NbjxXk/Zdo4= Received: by 10.114.123.19 with SMTP id v19mr10802312wac.168.1222957142195; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810020719h3774151fk39a3d179839fbd84@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:19:02 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List Problems with GMAIL In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <035601c923c1$5c941a40$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <26868411.18801222869443886.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <037b01c923d7$bc16a030$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48E4A983.8040807@yahoo.co.uk> <48E4B209.70106@yahoo.co.uk> <48E4B36D.9090303@yahoo.co.uk> <9f07ac840810020504o87f487fo4bd750d7dd5a4989@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3e5cadb12014b645 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 16:19:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4d863133531529615919 I set up one or two other OM subscriptions and set them to not receive messages - but now I can post from any of them. I still use the default ¦ without any issues afaik. Jez On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > > The trick with gmail is that when you reply to a list message, that you > change the "From" to the account which is actually registered with the OM > list. Your post will be rejected if it is from an unregistered email > address. I have three different accounts in my gmail system and half the > time I'm sending from the wrong one and wondering why the listserve is > broke > again. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 16:36:07 2008 Received: (qmail 16381 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 14:36:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 14:36:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8C1C34E3; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:35:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:35:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927DBC278A for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:35:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KlPHX-0001pO-6S for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:35:55 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <5558331.20941222944482149.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <54AF84E9-278B-4BF7-9216-3EB5E3D5EB27@people.net.au> <13592850.20991222953489596.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:35:56 +0100 Message-ID: <047d01c9249c$2ea20d00$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckkmL62JlmJML4qRh+8Il4D615bhgAAHgRw In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081001-0, 01/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8369/Wed Oct 1 21:24:58 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 16:36:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4dc57125881499373980 For sure, it's an open-and-shut case, the more so as he already sold the same lens to another buyer a couple of months back, who duly complained about the state of the internal elements - you have a witness, Dawid! -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: image66@gmail.com [mailto:image66@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Ken Norton Sent: 02 October 2008 15:11 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC --ûòøç What an incredible response from that dweeb. I too, would go for a full reversal of funds and NOT return the lens. Make him go after you for the return of it. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 17:06:31 2008 Received: (qmail 21478 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 15:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 15:06:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B2DC369E; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:06:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:06:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3226EC4021 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:06:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19372 invoked by uid 518); 2 Oct 2008 15:06:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20081002150611.19371.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: FS 8mm OM-mount fisheye Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:06:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 4.228.231.213 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 17:06:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e4e377210221234514069 It was me who posted the example image with a 1/2" square piece of electrical tape stuck on the front element. And I'm flattered to have been confused with Walt. :-) Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: swisspace > Subject: [OM] Re: FS 8mm OM-mount fisheye > Sent: Oct 02 '08 10:59 > > > I think it was our much missed walt (apologies to whoever it was if it > wasn't) > who did a test with a large piece of black insulation tape on the front > element of a lens and then asked us to guess which was with or without. > > Ian W > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 19:08:17 2008 Received: (qmail 17084 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 17:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 17:08:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AEEC3734; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:08:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:08:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C48C3A3E for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:08:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.178.18]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K84000CWFL96GM1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:07:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:07:57 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48E4FFED.7040601@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 19:08:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e50001157182070262475 First time I've heard of any 50 1.4 being radioactive. The 55 1.2 has been discussed in detail here. John On 10/1/2008 10:28:48 PM, Mark Marr-Lyon (mark.marrlyon@gmail.com) wrote: > Very early 50/1.4 lenses also contain a radioactive element and are yellow. > > The early 55/1.2 has two radioactive elements, so appears even yellower. > Dawid, if > you're curious, you could probably find a Geiger counter at a > local school and find out if it is radioactive or not. > > Mark > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Timpe, Jim wrote: > > > > > First time I've > heard of yellowing in anything but the 55/1.2. > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 19:15:20 2008 Received: (qmail 27214 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 17:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 17:15:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F6EC3F65; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:15:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:15:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBAD8C3DD5 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:14:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 0EB491D0EV for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:14:19 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:14:12 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48E4FFED.7040601@verizon.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC thread-index: AckksXjZEiDFs8rFQSGkj0r4+JjYFgAAMkXA From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2008 17:14:19.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E8D6E00:01C924B2] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 19:15:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e501a8270111869477228 I use my 55/1.2 as a night light in the bathroom........ -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hermanson Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 10:08 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC First time I've heard of any 50 1.4 being radioactive. The 55 1.2 has been discussed in detail here. John On 10/1/2008 10:28:48 PM, Mark Marr-Lyon (mark.marrlyon@gmail.com) wrote: > Very early 50/1.4 lenses also contain a radioactive element and are > yellow. > > The early 55/1.2 has two radioactive elements, so appears even > yellower. Dawid, if you're curious, you could probably find a Geiger > counter at a local school and find out if it is radioactive or not. > > Mark > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Timpe, Jim > wrote: > > > > > First time I've > heard of yellowing in anything but the 55/1.2. > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 19:24:15 2008 Received: (qmail 21243 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 17:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 17:24:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D67C309B; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:24:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:24:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms172073pub.verizon.net (vms172073pub.verizon.net [206.46.172.73]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C90C3131 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:24:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([72.81.130.245]) by vms172073.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K840042FGBZMHS3@vms172073.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:24:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:24:02 -0400 From: Rand E Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC In-reply-to: <48E4FFED.7040601@verizon.net> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48E503B2.8070507@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48E4FFED.7040601@verizon.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rtomcala@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 19:24:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e503bf153389117217770 Another way to test it would be to place a piece of light protected, unexposed film on top (where the filter screw is) for several hours and then develop it and see if you have an exposed circle. A simple dosimeter. Just about any radiation type except alpha will show up this way Rand E. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Hermanson wrote: > First time I've heard of any 50 1.4 being radioactive. The 55 1.2 has > been discussed in detail here. > > John > > > > On 10/1/2008 10:28:48 PM, Mark Marr-Lyon (mark.marrlyon@gmail.com) wrote: > >> Very early 50/1.4 lenses also contain a radioactive element and are yellow. >> >> The early 55/1.2 has two radioactive elements, so appears even yellower. >> Dawid, if >> you're curious, you could probably find a Geiger counter at a >> local school and find out if it is radioactive or not. >> >> Mark >> >> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Timpe, Jim wrote: >> >> >>> First time I've >>> >> heard of yellowing in anything but the 55/1.2. >> >> >> > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 19:56:21 2008 Received: (qmail 1212 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 17:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 17:56:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0F6C3233; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:56:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:56:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6-qfe0.srvr.bell.ca [206.47.199.164]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C098C32C0 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:56:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.91]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081002175608.KJDB1669.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:56:08 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0IAGej5EhMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIgXC8GYFq Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 02 Oct 2008 14:03:20 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:56:05 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Thread-Index: AckksXjZEiDFs8rFQSGkj0r4+JjYFgAAMkXAAAF4eM0= In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 19:56:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e50b45161443675314703 The possibilities are endless: On 10/2/08 1:14 PM, "Timpe, Jim" wrote: > I use my 55/1.2 as a night light in the bathroom........ ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 21:36:32 2008 Received: (qmail 619 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 19:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 19:36:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B43C3B09; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:36:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:36:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [204.127.217.103]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BF3C393E for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:36:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fwebmail15.isp.att.net ([204.127.221.115]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20081002193618H03002699ue>; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:36:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.127.221.115] Received: from [12.44.221.58] by fwebmail15.isp.att.net; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:36:17 +0000 From: "Bob Docherty" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] World's Largest Moose... Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:36:17 +0000 Message-Id: <100220081936.17457.48E522B10004F7F40000443122230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A9C0E059B9C0104@att.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 16 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9zdGthc2VAYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 21:36:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e522c0226711257536491 Andrew, We have the greatest number of citizens with mullets here in Kentucky :) Bob -------------- Original message from Andrew Fildes : -------------- > > Chortle - it's nice to see that other nations are getting into the > big stuff too. > Andrew Fildes (in Aus where you'll find the giant pineapple, the > monstrous concrete koala, a huge mullet, ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 22:18:27 2008 Received: (qmail 16894 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 20:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 20:18:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF996C385B; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:18:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:18:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl39.gs02.gridserver.com (cl39.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034C1C349E for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:18:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [149.164.241.118] (port=51788) by cl39.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KlUcn-00062r-IU for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:18:13 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:18:41 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] World's Largest Moose... From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: [OT] World's Largest Moose... Thread-Index: AckkzA+TTegIiJC/Ed2pngARJNJOGA== In-Reply-To: <100220081936.17457.48E522B10004F7F40000443122230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A9C0E059B9C0104@att.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 22:18:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e52c93321571234514069 You've obviously never been to Indiana. We clearly have more mullets, even here in northern Indiana! -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 10/2/08 3:36 PM, "Bob Docherty" wrote: > Andrew, > We have the greatest number of citizens with mullets here in Kentucky :) > > Bob > -------------- Original message from Andrew Fildes : > -------------- > > >> >> Chortle - it's nice to see that other nations are getting into the >> big stuff too. >> Andrew Fildes (in Aus where you'll find the giant pineapple, the >> monstrous concrete koala, a huge mullet, > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 22:18:45 2008 Received: (qmail 4341 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 20:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 20:18:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14EBDC39E7; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:18:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:18:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962D2C3B55 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:18:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so2070713gxk.17 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:18:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=JMMmFtx5TvJgOWt9hy4mPZsSPlg1cDqHqx9pLqtbCZs=; b=vA8BVK69C51k3S2q4ar3yGPKCqXR69X9TwAUtlHN49r/zUehEhfz7WcWoweTUq2GZk FVgf7dE/juf+QN5Ojnopcc9tqJ9FltqiCrq9n/fylvLBbwdJcwcpSx4C2haoE2jJGfpa OT27kHMurWILvrFiP6q7pcMDawItK/yFjpZrI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=PoPcnxoKoWHYslacKqxbK4OwXIp+cnJqhmCGo56ZG8g4xDVAERmSoXaOy0dNdYoQ4T 69crY66aJ23KIfIGr3B3iPn7z21SYOLp0xk5LKiH9wTQm54qE6nuzeevTxA85FAvQuo8 2elEVxksAJHviCuZP5Kj0Oj62kj9ZPotpOPjE= Received: by 10.90.81.19 with SMTP id e19mr108809agb.24.1222978712886; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:18:32 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] World's Largest Moose... In-Reply-To: <100220081936.17457.48E522B10004F7F40000443122230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A9C0E059B9C0104@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <100220081936.17457.48E522B10004F7F40000443122230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A9C0E059B9C0104@att.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c7627c3572ea39fd X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 22:18:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e52ca5258381702588592 >We have the greatest number of citizens with mullets here in Kentucky :) I was never so glad as when my passport finally expired. That mullet photo was a bit over-the-top. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 23:24:44 2008 Received: (qmail 16224 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 21:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 21:24:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18B9C328F; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:24:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:24:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id D35ABC2E2D for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:24:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31784 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 21:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.156.139) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 21:24:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <5558331.20941222944482149.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <54AF84E9-278B-4BF7-9216-3EB5E3D5EB27@people.net.au> <13592850.20991222953489596.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:24:28 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 23:24:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e53c1c85258512572685 Usually they'll do a reversal in a clear case (like the 'refurbished' camera I bought which clearly was no such thing and was pretty trashed) but only after you've returned it. In my case, I kept the cost down with a standard postal return with delivery confirmation. Only a few dollars more and I ended up with a card with their signature of receipt on it. Much cheaper than a courier. Given that this idiot has been suspended you could argue that you don't trust him to acknowledge receipt and that the item is valueless. That may work. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/10/2008, at 12:10 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > What an incredible response from that dweeb. I too, would go for a > full > reversal of funds and NOT return the lens. Make him go after you > for the > return of it. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 23:26:02 2008 Received: (qmail 11899 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 21:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 21:26:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A560C3622; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:25:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:25:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id CE154C35C1 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:25:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31861 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 21:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.156.139) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 21:25:30 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20081002150611.19371.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> References: <20081002150611.19371.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: FS 8mm OM-mount fisheye Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:25:46 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 23:26:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e53c6a276091342116753 Did you get doughnut highlights? :-) I remember that one - quite remarkable. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/10/2008, at 1:06 AM, wrote: > It was me who posted the example image with a 1/2" square piece of > electrical tape stuck on the front element. And I'm flattered to > have been confused with Walt. :-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 23:27:09 2008 Received: (qmail 7157 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 21:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 21:27:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57992C2FFD; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:26:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:26:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id D3F47C32C0 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:26:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31933 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 21:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.156.139) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 21:26:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48E503B2.8070507@verizon.net> References: <48E4FFED.7040601@verizon.net> <48E503B2.8070507@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <74BB5449-48F0-44AE-803A-7E17A232723E@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:26:53 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 23:27:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e53cad196814673671140 Yup - just pop it in the box with the cat. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/10/2008, at 3:24 AM, Rand E wrote: > Another way to test it would be to place a piece of light protected, > unexposed film on top (where the filter screw is) for several hours > and > then develop it and see if you have an exposed circle. A simple > dosimeter. Just about any radiation type except alpha will show up > this way ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 23:28:43 2008 Received: (qmail 27041 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 21:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 21:28:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87205C2FF1; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:28:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:28:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DF1FC3320 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:28:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 32046 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 21:28:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.156.139) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 21:28:10 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <63C1117F-0E9D-4C43-9B37-F87E74EB8F55@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:28:27 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 23:28:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e53d0b280561744846740 Impressive - the lighthouse keeper left the fridge door open. Are we going to see some shots BY the light of a lens next? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/10/2008, at 3:56 AM, Michael Collins wrote: > The possibilities are endless: > > > > On 10/2/08 1:14 PM, "Timpe, Jim" wrote: >> I use my 55/1.2 as a night light in the bathroom........ > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 23:44:00 2008 Received: (qmail 28133 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 21:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 21:44:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DAC0C3B3E; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:43:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:43:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id BC52CC3C1D for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:43:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1479 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 21:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.156.139) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 21:42:41 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <100220081936.17457.48E522B10004F7F40000443122230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A9C0E059B9C0104@att.net> References: <100220081936.17457.48E522B10004F7F40000443122230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A9C0E059B9C0104@att.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] World's Largest Moose... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:42:58 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 23:44:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e540a0104817350615338 Sand, Diamondscale, Black or Yelloweye? Pobably all of the above out there. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/10/2008, at 5:36 AM, Bob Docherty wrote: > We have the greatest number of citizens with mullets here in > Kentucky :) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 2 23:54:06 2008 Received: (qmail 4934 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 21:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 21:54:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D8AC306F; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:53:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:53:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpauth03.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (smtpauth03.csee.onr.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.137]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C24AC2830 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:53:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [206.80.81.10]) (Authenticated sender: bbbean@beancotton.com) by smtpauth03.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6FE103801A for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:53:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48E542F0.8090801@beancotton.com> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:53:52 -0500 From: Barry Bean User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1pre (Windows/2008022014) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] World's Largest Moose... References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bbbean@beancotton.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 2 23:54:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e542fe2551234514069 Curt & Sally Hedman wrote: > > http://www.storalgen.se/eng/index.php > 1) Does Sarah Palin know about this? 2) Could this be the investment opportunity we've all been looking for? -- Barry B. Bean Bean & Bean Cotton Company Peach Orchard, MO www.beancotton.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 01:12:23 2008 Received: (qmail 3782 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2008 23:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 23:12:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B33C3B9B; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:12:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:12:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C7B3C3AC5 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:09:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 61812 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2008 23:09:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=PUA3v/DZi2DbMnXWewcMJnCDLb4AIUqROvWkElB7Psd9URL1pMbK0/OrTf4y75kF5XSG2eo1eRV1cMm4KAOpGQpB0Ps8468AwegBz+RPZwGB3bik8jPtrhu38XvDv1P3v/1MuhyCzJqn6VYPIXReyHZqcXky+VjUea04GMtHJr4=; X-YMail-OSG: RWXfu9cVM1m.ydp1wkptnCijOxCR350WoqIsGO_XfrE4QARRyZlpq8kqCBxyhbEB_TWTLypmWTSZjNnXEB96aSekCQivwe64cPhEv5pbomoOSuOkh_QxPetnAQJKo5t6xwTQAFg.rtblHR.fORXDfiIVKG61YosTjXPayGhKxFY4hHg- Received: from [72.75.195.127] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:09:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:09:38 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <63C1117F-0E9D-4C43-9B37-F87E74EB8F55@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <135752.61389.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 01:12:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e55557149502070262475 I cannot believe the sellers response. Crazy! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 02:29:58 2008 Received: (qmail 31045 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 00:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 00:29:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00620C27FC; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:29:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:29:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFF4C2990 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:29:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d6a.36573d38 (37540) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB021-92a448e567771f6; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:29:43 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-DF10 (webmail-df10.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.74]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA035-5c5748e5676de8; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:29:33 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:29:33 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 75.147.3.221 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 75.147.3.221 by WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.74) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:29:33 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF3063DE72547-690-93E@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 02:29:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e56786227821234514069 It was an apropos comment on the possible smoke exposure issue. My 2nd snipe was for a Tam 80-200 that had been used by someone who shot musicians in smoky clubs. I think I could discern a warming color shift with velvia. It had zoom creep. Anyway I could not abide the lens in that condition though it was probably fine for most purposes---sent it to Tamron. The glass is now pristine but the zoom creep in less than 2 months of light service I sent it back---they said it is not a macro lens and that is "normal." Huh?? May not be relevant in your situation as it clearly was misrepresented by the fraudulent seller, but the slight yellowing in my lens was remedied by the cleaning. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 02:37:45 2008 Received: (qmail 24452 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 00:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 00:37:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CF6C28D6; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:37:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:37:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF36C2B82 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:37:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30004 invoked by uid 502); 3 Oct 2008 00:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.201.74) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Oct 2008 00:37:28 -0000 Message-ID: <48E56940.70406@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:37:20 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A film better than digital References: <48E302C9.24126.17A5F710@tom.abacurial.com> <64415E2A4AAE4C24B40602563A7753AF@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 02:37:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e56959110321744846740 Wayne Harridge wrote: >> >> > Interesting but... > > ...if you think about some of the greatest photographs: > > Which ones would be significantly improved by having double the film resolution ? > With just a few words, you have, at least to me, raised a host of complex issues, some of which are probably unresolvable. First, which are these greatest photographs? I'm not trying to be cute, it's a real question to me. For example, I can imagine that for many folks, that would include street candids like HC-B's street photography, but that's a genre that doesn't much speak to me. Relatively few of any group of greatest images chosen by me would be of that sort. Or might we be talking about war and disaster photography? Portraits? Landscapes? It seems to me that the answer to your question would depend on the type of photograph and when it was taken. Second, what is meant by "improved"? Won't the criteria vary with the observer? Let me propose a practical thought question. If the films of the time had had less grain, higher resolution and greater sensitivity, as later films did, would HC-B's street photographs have been different? Would they have been better or worse? Assuming they were generally different in having less grain, less motion blur and sometimes usefully greater DOF, I'm sure there are many people who think that would make them worse. What would the photographer have thought? Was he intentionally making grainy, often blurred images? Or was he making images of what interested him regardless of the technical limitations of the film and equipment available to him? Might later viewers and critics be ascribing value to qualities of his work that he himself would have "corrected" if he had different technology available to him at the time? If we then address large format photographers, landscape like Ansel Adams or still life and portrait like Edward Weston, the question changes. It becomes entirely possible that lens limitations and diffraction effects from the very small apertures often used may limit resolution more than the rather large pieces of film. Would iconic images like the flag raising on Iwo Jima be improved by higher resolution? The emotional response would probably be much the same in small prints. But what might it feel like if the resolution was such as to show the expressions on the soldier's faces in large prints or crops? ------------------- I could go on, but I hope you see my point. Might a more useful question be "Which of the greatest photographs would be significantly worsened by film with double the resolution?"? I tend to think that the answer to this reverse formulation is very few photographs made worse, whereas the answer to yours may be quite a lot made better, depending on taste and definitions. Ken Norton wrote: > How is this any different than megapixels? Which of those "greatest photographs" would have been significantly improved if they had been shot with the 5D Mk2. To me, the answer is the same as above. > Historically, the majority of those "greatest photographs" were NOT shot on 4x5, 8x10 or larger. Here, you are either being disingenuous, have not thought it through or are taking a narrow view of what are historically "great photographs". Fans of Adams, the Westons, Porter and so many others, right up through contemporary LF work by Avedon, might firmly disagree with you about "majority". > Honestly, we are a sad, sad, sad people of we think that technology will magically transform the mediocre > into anything other than technically perfect mediocre. > If all images in general are improved in technical quality, the great ones float up along with the mediocre. Although your and my ideas of which images are great will differ, both will generally be of better technical quality than heretofore. I just don't get how that is bad - even for a glass half empty person, as you seem to me to be in this area. Is it possible that you are projecting your frustration with your own ability to transcend what you perceive to be mediocrity in your own work onto the broader world of photography? Let be by very clear here; I am not saying I perceive the images I see from your hand are good, bad or indifferent in this particular thought. Rather, this projection of mine onto you is based on the sort of personally pained, existential quality of your above complaint, some past posts expressing distress over the difficulty of producing truly creative work and my personal perception that there is not less "great" photography going on now than in times past. I'm all too familiar with perfectionism and self criticism. I do know that my internal issues with them do not necessarily translate into meaningful characterization the world at large. In fact, I think is likely that there is more first rate photography happening now. My theory is that more artists who would have been defeated by the technical complexity in the past are now able to express themselves in this medium. I know that many photographers believe that mastery of the technical aspects is an important part of photography. That has certainly been true for me. But I wonder if it in in any inherent way true, or simply a now past result of what was required in order to produce a decent photograph. ----------------------------------- When I see an image on the web, hanging on a wall, in a publication, and react to it in an internally significant way, does it matter if it was produced with a manual camera, film and scanner or wet darkroom or with a totally automatic, digital camera and perhaps a computer printer? Going way back to the original question, I believe "great photographs" are great because they affect us, by causing an internal felt-shift, or perhaps resonate with something internal; not because of the technical process that created them, but because of their content, that is, the subject(s) and how it/they are visualized by the photographer, seen by the camera/film/sensor and presented by the photographer. ----------------------------------- One important thing that has changed over the last few years is that it is possible to see a lot more mediocre and just plain poor images now. The image sharing sites already contain more images than I could view in any meaningful way in my lifetime and are growing at a rate I couldn't keep up with, if I tried. All those snaps that used to go into bags and boxes in closet, attic or basement, largely mercifully so, are now dumped instead into the public closets. Twenty years ago, it was pretty much possible for one with such an interest, and bit of time and money, to see a very large proportion of those images judged by buyers, critics, publishers and gallery owners to be worthwhile to see, while being exposed to only a small portion of the unending sea of snapshots and wannabe art. Should we let this change in availability lead to the conclusion that photography has gone to hell? I choose to let it be an opportunity to be exposed to images and photographers who may happen to speak to me, but whose work I would never have seen before the advent of digital photography and the web. In fact, I see it an an opportunity to view the world as seen in photographs unfiltered by the judgments of the others who have shaped the world of photography seen by most of the world until recently. Coming around in another circle from above, I find many images that others enjoy simply uninteresting. That doesn't mean they are wrong and I am right, in any larger sense. It does mean that to the extent that such people determine which images I am exposed to, they may actually lessen my overall enjoyment of photography. For example, I'm a fairly regular follower of TOP. I find that Mike Johnston is moved by many images that simply raise no emotional response in me, other than the occasional feeling of having my "looking molecules" wasted. This is not to knock Mile's taste; it's obvious from the responses that many others share them. It is simply to point out that, to the extent that Mike edits TOP and has edited magazines in the past, the images I see in those places are not entirely those that will most please me. To what extent has that been true of the arbiters of what has been hung and published, and thus what I've seen, in the past? The new paradigm presents me with a potentially overwhelming range of images, but has at least the advantage of being unfiltered, or some night say, uncensored. > A less than perfect AG-Schnozz > A. Ditto Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 02:39:33 2008 Received: (qmail 14577 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 00:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 00:39:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866DAC27CF; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:39:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:39:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11AF2C292F for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:39:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d00.4076c926 (34907) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA024-885b48e569b3297; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:39:15 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-DF10 (webmail-df10.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.74]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA033-5c5548e569ac24b; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:39:08 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Any info on Angenieux 35-70/2.5-3.3 in OM mount??? Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:39:08 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 75.147.3.221 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 75.147.3.221 by WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.74) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:39:08 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF30794AD8703-690-9DA@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 02:39:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e569c5211431946193717 Stumbled into finding one one of these for sale for less than the usual current price of a Z 35-80/2.8. It is mint IB with hood and a couple filters. I am not really unhappy with the Tam SP 35-105/2.8 but this looked intriguing. (cept it is soft in the corners until stopped down a bunch largely at the wide end) They seem to be liked by the red dot crowd which can't be a bad sign. I don't have a clue about its performance though I had no doubt as to where to seek an opinion. I recall reading a few years back that Angen. previously provided an individual MTF analysis for each lens sent out. Perhaps the design is just as compulsive. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 04:17:03 2008 Received: (qmail 17781 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 02:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 02:17:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9BDC32EF; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:16:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:16:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from extsmtp3.localnet.com (extsmtp3.localnet.com [207.251.201.55]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0966EC30E6 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:16:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3254 invoked by uid 1011); 3 Oct 2008 02:16:50 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by bolster (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 0.250999 secs); 03 Oct 2008 02:16:50 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 required=4.8 X-Spam-Level: +++ Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp3.localnet.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 02:16:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 12247 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 02:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-7-119.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.7.119]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp5.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Oct 2008 02:16:50 -0000 From: Doug To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A film better than digital Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:33:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <48E302C9.24126.17A5F710@tom.abacurial.com> <48E56940.70406@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48E56940.70406@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200810022233.08812.doug9345@localnet.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: doug9345@localnet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 04:17:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e5809f269351946193717 On Thursday, October 02, 2008 20:37, Moose wrote: > Wayne Harridge wrote: > > Interesting but... > > > > ...if you think about some of the greatest photographs: > > > > Which ones would be significantly improved by having double the film > > resolution ? > > With just a few words, you have, at least to me, raised a host of > complex issues, some of which are probably unresolvable. Moose I read what you wrote and I think you outline many of the issues very well. I think another question is which good photograph would become great if it was taken on film with double the film resolution. Or possibly which potentially great photograph wasn't taken because the photographer understood that it was beyond his technical limits do to film resolution. I don't have an answer to either question. I do think where improving photography technology does produce great images is were it puts cameras in places and peoples hands where they wouldn't have been before. A couple of examples I can think of are some of the various war time photos, almost all taken with 35mm cameras and there are or will be great photographs taken with a cell phone camera. It won't be great because of it's technical qualities, but because it captures something that has great emotional impact and it will spread around the globe like wildfire. -Doug ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 05:06:49 2008 Received: (qmail 24436 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 03:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 03:06:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D93BC37E7; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 05:06:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:06:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2176C388C for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 05:06:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF45B0657 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:06:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QhYqa+QCs-eM for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:06:27 +1000 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76832B06CD for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:06:27 +1000 (EST) Received: from [17.86.55.227] by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Klazw-0001E0-By for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:06:32 +1000 Message-Id: <0D38B85B-4F70-4398-BEC0-9BC1DAED6EC9@wildskies.net> From: Brent To: olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] 1600 ISO Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:06:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brutherford@wildskies.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 05:06:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e58c49228561838542571 I thought I'd do something a bit different a week or two ago and instead of sticking a Zuiko on a digital body I stuck it on a film- based Canon EOS 300 I had around. Main reason for this was I wanted to take some photos at a night festival, and the settings on my OM-1 are hard to see in the dark. Also, my wife stole the Digital SLR body. Anyway, I tried using FujiFilm Press 1600 film for the first time. Didn't get that many good shots, probably because I was hand-shooting while trying to control my 2 year old daughter with my other hand. Also, I find it really hard to focus accurately on the fly without any focusing aids in the viewfinder. Anyway, I really wish I'd had a 5D-quality digital back instead of the 1600 ISO film... I'm not saying my photographic technique is perfect, far from it, but even the shots which seem to be exposed correctly have really strong grain, let alone what looks like perfectly noiseless performance on the 5DMKII & latest Nikons. I actually really like strong grain in B&W, given the right subject, but I don't think it works as well in colour. I had a go at removing the grain but my photoshop skills couldn't come up with anything that didn't look 'soft focus'. Not that I expected grainless photos with a 1600 ISO film, but I guess I've become accustomed to the results people are producing with their new digital gear now. http://homepage.mac.com/brent_rutherford/Sep2008_1600ISO/ ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 05:11:51 2008 Received: (qmail 4881 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 03:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 03:11:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D88C335F; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 05:11:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:11:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEB5C3309 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 05:11:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Klb4s-0004hE-R7 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:11:38 -0700 Message-ID: <19791413.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:11:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Loudon To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Any info on Angenieux 35-70/2.5-3.3 in OM mount??? In-Reply-To: <8CAF30794AD8703-690-9DA@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Nabble-From: listadr@gmail.com References: <8CAF30794AD8703-690-9DA@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: listadr@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 05:11:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e58d7726302070262475 >From the archives: > Hi, I have the Angenieux lens you mentioned...picked up on e-b*y for about > the same sort of price you mentioned, in almost mint condition. It > originally came in a wooden? chest with a velvet storage bag and dedicated > lens hood. > > The lens has a resin / polycarbonate body and marks tend to show. On the > other hand it is optically superb..No compromises here , and unusual in OM > mount. It is physically quite a big lens. Leica owners have been known to > buy them to convert them to Leica fitting....Nuff said! > > Now for the sad bit :-( My lens has developed a fault. On zooming there > is a definite resistance at about the 50m point along with a definite > clunk/click. I have been told this is at the point where 2 tubesmesh > inside one another. > > However Angenieux no longer make camera lenses and I cannot find a > reputable / reliable lens repair technician to sort it out. > > Until I do the lens is out of action..I am afraid of doing major damage! > > Regards, John Duggan, Wales UK. > ref: http://lists.tako.de/Olympus-OM/2003-12/msg01536.html -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Any-info-on-Angenieux-35-70-2.5-3.3-in-OM-mount----tp19790332p19791413.html Sent from the Olympus Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 07:06:06 2008 Received: (qmail 18642 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 05:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 05:06:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A65C3ADC; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:05:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:05:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44F9C4019 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:05:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17946 invoked by uid 518); 3 Oct 2008 05:05:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20081003050548.17945.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A film better than digital Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:05:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 98.160.141.28 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 07:06:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e5a83e216837927319144 High ISO and image stabilization are allowing and will allow photographs to be taken that couldn't have been taken otherwise. Higher resolution will also likely find a place as well but, IMHO, not as important as sensitivity and stabilization. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Doug > Subject: [OM] Re: A film better than digital > Sent: Oct 03 '08 02:33 > > > On Thursday, October 02, 2008 20:37, Moose wrote: > > Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > Interesting but... > > > > > > ...if you think about some of the greatest photographs: > > > > > > Which ones would be significantly improved by having double the film > > > resolution ? > > > > With just a few words, you have, at least to me, raised a host of > > complex issues, some of which are probably unresolvable. > > Moose I read what you wrote and I think you outline many of the issues very > well. > > I think another question is which good photograph would become great if it was > taken on film with double the film resolution. Or possibly which potentially > great photograph wasn't taken because the photographer understood that it was > beyond his technical limits do to film resolution. I don't have an answer to > either question. > > I do think where improving photography technology does produce great images is > were it puts cameras in places and peoples hands  where they wouldn't have > been before. > > A couple of examples I can think of are some of the various war time photos, > almost all taken with 35mm cameras and there are or will be great photographs > taken with a cell phone camera. It won't be great because of it's technical > qualities, but because it captures something that has great emotional impact > and it will spread around the globe like wildfire. > -Doug > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 07:10:45 2008 Received: (qmail 18188 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 05:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 05:10:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71993C3F82; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:10:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:10:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A32C407D for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:10:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19733 invoked by uid 518); 3 Oct 2008 05:10:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20081003051008.19732.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 1600 ISO Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:10:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 98.160.141.28 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 07:10:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e5a95577871823421471 Nice work despite the grain and it works well for B&W. I think the best one might be #9 as B&W Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Brent > Subject: [OM] 1600 ISO > Sent: Oct 03 '08 03:06 > > > > I thought I'd do something a bit different a week or two ago and   > instead of sticking a Zuiko on a digital body I stuck it on a film- > based Canon EOS 300 I had around.  Main reason for this was I wanted   > to take some photos at a night festival, and the settings on my OM-1   > are hard to see in the dark.  Also, my wife stole the Digital SLR body. > > Anyway, I tried using FujiFilm Press 1600 film for the first time.   > Didn't get that many good shots, probably because I was hand-shooting   > while trying to control my 2 year old daughter with my other hand.   > Also, I find it really hard to focus accurately on the fly without any   > focusing aids in the viewfinder. > > Anyway, I really wish I'd had a 5D-quality digital back instead of the   > 1600 ISO film... I'm not saying my photographic technique is perfect,   > far from it, but even the shots which seem to be exposed correctly   > have really strong grain, let alone what looks like perfectly   > noiseless performance on the 5DMKII & latest Nikons.  I actually   > really like strong grain in B&W, given the right subject, but I don't   > think it works as well in colour. > > I had a go at removing the grain but my photoshop skills couldn't come   > up with anything that didn't look 'soft focus'.  Not that I expected   > grainless photos with a 1600 ISO film, but I guess I've become   > accustomed to the results people are producing with their new digital   > gear now. > > http://homepage.mac.com/brent_rutherford/Sep2008_1600ISO/ > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 09:25:57 2008 Received: (qmail 13848 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 07:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 07:25:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78B7C27D7; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:25:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:25:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 69BE3C2E8C for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:25:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28532 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 07:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.156.139) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 07:25:16 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <0D38B85B-4F70-4398-BEC0-9BC1DAED6EC9@wildskies.net> References: <0D38B85B-4F70-4398-BEC0-9BC1DAED6EC9@wildskies.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <949041BB-D06E-4CDB-A65E-70CA76594B86@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: 1600 ISO Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:25:32 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 09:25:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e5c90575761744846740 We used to think Fujipress 1600 was really good stuff, better than Kodak high speed film, but now it looks a bit sad in comparison. I've still got some somewhere - a bit overdate but may be worth a try. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/10/2008, at 1:06 PM, Brent wrote: > Anyway, I really wish I'd had a 5D-quality digital back instead of the > 1600 ISO film... I'm not saying my photographic technique is perfect, > far from it, but even the shots which seem to be exposed correctly > have really strong grain, let alone what looks like perfectly > noiseless performance on the 5DMKII & latest Nikons. I actually > really like strong grain in B&W, given the right subject, but I don't > think it works as well in colour. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 09:28:14 2008 Received: (qmail 32409 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 07:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 07:28:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37082C304B; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:27:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:27:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id EED3EC28BC for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:27:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 29711 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 07:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.156.139) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 07:27:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20081003050548.17945.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> References: <20081003050548.17945.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <2D5DB56B-3BB8-448B-AF91-B4577B8BE361@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: A film better than digital Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:27:52 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 09:28:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e5c98d15251023412894 Its place is commercial photography - where hi-res is not an optional extra. Stuff like product shots, fashion and some people work. The pix may not be earth shaking art but they had better be very sharp. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/10/2008, at 3:05 PM, wrote: > Higher resolution will also likely find a place as well but, IMHO, > not as important as sensitivity and stabilization. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 11:09:10 2008 Received: (qmail 18926 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 09:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 09:09:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A221FC36BD; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:08:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:08:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D4EC2C46 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:08:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC2C4615A3 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:23:53 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <13592850.20991222953489596.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:08:48 +0100 References: <5558331.20941222944482149.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <54AF84E9-278B-4BF7-9216-3EB5E3D5EB27@people.net.au> <13592850.20991222953489596.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 11:09:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e5e1368051035110158 That's the spirit, Dawid! It's the aesthetics of the tools as well as the results ... I look forward to seeing your results. Chris On 2 Oct 2008, at 14:10, Dawid Loubser wrote: > I cannot imagine a better looking and handling combo than an OM-1n > with the 24/2.0, it > is just so "right" ...! > > I look forward to post to this mailing list my first hand-printed > shots from this camera, > but it'll still be a while, and I really want to get it CLA'd before I > start really using > it. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 11:31:19 2008 Received: (qmail 13176 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 09:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 09:31:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF541C329F; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:31:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:31:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D7DC28A4 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:31:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21850 invoked by uid 502); 3 Oct 2008 09:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.169.22) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Oct 2008 09:31:02 -0000 Message-ID: <48E5E650.3050604@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:30:56 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 1600 ISO References: <0D38B85B-4F70-4398-BEC0-9BC1DAED6EC9@wildskies.net> In-Reply-To: <0D38B85B-4F70-4398-BEC0-9BC1DAED6EC9@wildskies.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 11:31:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e5e667169711823421471 Brent wrote: > .... > > I had a go at removing the grain but my photoshop skills couldn't come up with anything that didn't look 'soft focus'. It's probably not all due to your PS skills. One weakness of PS, at least through CS3, is the noise reduction. It's far from the standard of independent tools. and. Both treatments used two different applications of NeatImage, one for low detail areas and the other where more detail needs to be preserved, mostly the hair. > Not that I expected grainless photos with a 1600 ISO film, but I guess I've become accustomed to the results people are producing with their new digital gear now. > Digital has taken the lead in that area generally. The good news is that digital darkroom tools help a lot. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 11:34:39 2008 Received: (qmail 713 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 09:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 09:34:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD75AC28A2; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:34:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:34:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB46C2BD6 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:34:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23578 invoked by uid 502); 3 Oct 2008 09:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.169.22) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Oct 2008 09:34:12 -0000 Message-ID: <48E5E70F.7040303@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:34:07 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A film better than digital References: <20081003050548.17945.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <2D5DB56B-3BB8-448B-AF91-B4577B8BE361@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <2D5DB56B-3BB8-448B-AF91-B4577B8BE361@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 11:34:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e5e72f18531234514069 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Its place is commercial photography - where hi-res is not an optional extra. > Stuff like product shots, fashion and some people work. > The pix may not be earth shaking art but they had better be very sharp. > Also landscape for large prints. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 11:46:23 2008 Received: (qmail 20606 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 09:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 09:46:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F78C2B57; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:46:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:46:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B089C280C for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:46:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KlhEe-0000Ek-DT for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:46:08 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:46:08 +0100 From: Patrick Moore To: OM Mailing List Subject: [OM] off camera flash? Message-ID: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: paddy@earth.li Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 11:46:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e5e9ef56761499373980 Hi all. While on holiday a month or so back, I started playing with some off camera flash with some not entirely unpleasent results: http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/indiv.pl?dir=sligo_2008&photo=sligo_sept_2008_110.jpg&o=108 It looks rather unusual, but there was surprisingly little processing here. Here's one which is slightly more conventional, and failing to quite get to GeeBee territory. Shall we say, an amateur homage. ;) http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/indiv.pl?dir=sligo_2008&photo=sligo_sept_2008_011.jpg&o=12 cheers paddy -- oOoOo It's never too late to have a happy childhood. oOoOo oOoOo oOoOo oOoOo oOoOo ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 12:17:59 2008 Received: (qmail 8501 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 10:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 10:17:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098B8C2870; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:17:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:17:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633C0C287B for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:17:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CFBC96D2 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:34:43 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5C21E5FF-E56B-4258-8DF8-21E59FF7BDA8@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: off camera flash? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:17:44 +0100 References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 12:17:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e5f15764471257536491 Very cool, Paddy, the first one. And the second has lovely billows to the clouds ... ... but I'm not sure of the compositional benefit afforded by the empty fertiliser tank ;-) Chris On 3 Oct 2008, at 10:46, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Hi all. > > While on holiday a month or so back, I started playing with some off > camera flash with some not entirely unpleasent results: > > http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/indiv.pl?dir=sligo_2008&photo=sligo_sept_2008_110.jpg&o=108 > > It looks rather unusual, but there was surprisingly little > processing here. > > Here's one which is slightly more conventional, and failing to quite > get to > GeeBee territory. Shall we say, an amateur homage. ;) > > http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/indiv.pl?dir=sligo_2008&photo=sligo_sept_2008_011.jpg&o=12 > > cheers ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 12:22:17 2008 Received: (qmail 782 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 10:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 10:22:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B5BC287B; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:22:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:22:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013B5C295D for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:22:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KlhnR-0002Dk-Te for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:22:05 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:22:05 +0100 From: Patrick Moore To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: off camera flash? Message-ID: <20081003102205.GG23656@the.earth.li> References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> <5C21E5FF-E56B-4258-8DF8-21E59FF7BDA8@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5C21E5FF-E56B-4258-8DF8-21E59FF7BDA8@threeshoes.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: paddy@earth.li Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 12:22:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e5f259312517927319144 * On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 11:17:44AM +0100, Chris Barker said: > > Very cool, Paddy, the first one. And the second has lovely billows to > the clouds ... > > ... but I'm not sure of the compositional benefit afforded by the > empty fertiliser tank ;-) Yeah, it doesn't really add to the countryÑ•ide tranquility. Still, it was a wonderful place. Can't wait to go back! p. -- [ One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. ] ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 12:36:26 2008 Received: (qmail 22453 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 10:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 10:36:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB0EC2AF4; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:36:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:36:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B94C312C for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:36:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.145] (helo=anti-virus03-08) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Kli11-0007bI-J4 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:36:07 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Kli11-0003Ti-1U for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:36:07 +0100 Message-ID: <48E5F5AF.1080105@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:36:31 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: off camera flash? References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> In-Reply-To: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 12:36:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e5f5aa181957927319144 Patrick Moore wrote: > Hi all. > > While on holiday a month or so back, I started playing with some off > camera flash with some not entirely unpleasent results: > > > > Here's one which is slightly more conventional, and failing to quite get to > GeeBee territory. Shall we say, an amateur homage. ;) > > http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/indiv.pl?dir=sligo_2008&photo=sligo_sept_2008_011.jpg&o=12 > Begging to be Moosterised... ;-) D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 13:27:03 2008 Received: (qmail 4830 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 11:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 11:27:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C06C4387; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:26:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:26:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 11634C423D for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:25:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3234 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 11:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.156.139) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 11:25:24 -0000 In-Reply-To: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <30892D68-29DA-4940-B22A-A336D1722A1E@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: [SPAM] off camera flash? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:25:40 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 13:27:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e6018713385368819438 Really do like 107. I've been playing that way too. I think I've posted this before - http://www.pbase.com/afildes/image/103702454 As well as a low powered fill, there was a small, old Achiever flash in her lap fired into the back of the ball. The front of it was masked off down to a 10mm (3/8") hole and it was triggered from the main flash with one of those cheap slaves - I've got a few out of junk bins. Very hit or miss, frustrating with several shots flaring into the lens or not triggering the 'spot flash' at all. Had good response to this image - the mistiness in the ball is just smudged fingerprints. Picked up one of those old glass fibre fountain lights the other day - the ones with colour diodes in the base to create effects at the tips. Hoping to make a light pipe with it running the fibre up some lightweight black PVC tube stuck on a cheap old flash. All I have to do is find an idea to use it on. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/10/2008, at 7:46 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Hi all. > > While on holiday a month or so back, I started playing with some off > camera flash with some not entirely unpleasent results: > > http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/indiv.pl? > dir=sligo_2008&photo=sligo_sept_2008_110.jpg&o=108 > > It looks rather unusual, but there was surprisingly little > processing here. > > Here's one which is slightly more conventional, and failing to > quite get to > GeeBee territory. Shall we say, an amateur homage. ;) > > http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/indiv.pl? > dir=sligo_2008&photo=sligo_sept_2008_011.jpg&o=12 > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 13:42:57 2008 Received: (qmail 12697 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 11:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 11:42:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C93C2ACE; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:42:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:42:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF790C3192 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:42:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C78C96BD for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:59:39 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <897E0EE9-1789-4296-A62D-75D7B1BCE516@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <30892D68-29DA-4940-B22A-A336D1722A1E@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: [SPAM] off camera flash? X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:42:40 +0100 References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> <30892D68-29DA-4940-B22A-A336D1722A1E@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 13:42:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e60541242151946193717 V.v. scrummy, Andrew. Oh and the photo's not bad either ... :-) Actually, seriously, I do like the overall lighting. And I am being quite serious at the moment, owing to having just put 34litres of unleaded petrol in my beautiful Beemer (diesel). Chris On 3 Oct 2008, at 12:25, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Really do like 107. > I've been playing that way too. I think I've posted this before - > http://www.pbase.com/afildes/image/103702454 > As well as a low powered fill, there was a small, old Achiever flash > in her lap fired into the back of the ball. The front of it was > masked off down to a 10mm (3/8") hole and it was triggered from the > main flash with one of those cheap slaves - I've got a few out of > junk bins. Very hit or miss, frustrating with several shots flaring > into the lens or not triggering the 'spot flash' at all. Had good > response to this image - the mistiness in the ball is just smudged > fingerprints. > Picked up one of those old glass fibre fountain lights the other day > - the ones with colour diodes in the base to create effects at the > tips. Hoping to make a light pipe with it running the fibre up some > lightweight black PVC tube stuck on a cheap old flash. All I have to > do is find an idea to use it on. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 13:54:20 2008 Received: (qmail 27349 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 11:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 11:54:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF7EC3437; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:54:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:54:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB70C353C for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:53:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KljEL-0002jh-V9 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:53:58 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> <30892D68-29DA-4940-B22A-A336D1722A1E@people.net.au> <897E0EE9-1789-4296-A62D-75D7B1BCE516@threeshoes.net> Subject: [OM] Re: [SPAM] off camera flash? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:53:57 +0100 Message-ID: <05ae01c9254e$b7c5f350$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcklTSy8laFhABJxTeOLDjUB2z33SAAATwyg In-Reply-To: <897E0EE9-1789-4296-A62D-75D7B1BCE516@threeshoes.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081002-0, 02/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.93.3/8372/Thu Oct 2 16:21:47 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 13:54:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e607ec160441499373980 Aargh, I feel for you, Chris, from bitter experience. I hope you realised before you left the scene of the "crime-against-all-the-fuel-system-seals" - as I did, but it still cost me over GBP100, and that was 15 years ago. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Chris Barker Sent: 03 October 2008 12:43 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [SPAM] off camera flash? Importance: Low --snip And I am being quite serious at the moment, owing to having just put 34litres of unleaded petrol in my beautiful Beemer (diesel). Chris --snip ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 14:28:05 2008 Received: (qmail 10745 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 12:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 12:28:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDADC36E1; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:27:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:27:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from extsmtp4.localnet.com (extsmtp4.localnet.com [207.251.201.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E7704C2DED for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:25:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27286 invoked by uid 1011); 3 Oct 2008 12:25:43 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by bombastic (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. Clear:RC:0(10.30.204.254):SA:0(3.4/4.8):. Processed in 0.142965 secs); 03 Oct 2008 12:25:43 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 required=4.8 X-Spam-Level: +++ Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp4.localnet.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 12:25:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 27826 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 12:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-14-77.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.14.77]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp5.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Oct 2008 12:25:40 -0000 From: Doug To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: petrol gas in a diesel was [SPAM] off camera flash? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:42:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> <30892D68-29DA-4940-B22A-A336D1722A1E@people.net.au> <897E0EE9-1789-4296-A62D-75D7B1BCE516@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <897E0EE9-1789-4296-A62D-75D7B1BCE516@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200810030842.04660.doug9345@localnet.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: doug9345@localnet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 14:28:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e60fd4230829117217770 On Friday, October 03, 2008 07:42, Chris Barker wrote: > And I am being quite serious at the moment, owing to having just put > 34litres of unleaded petrol in my beautiful Beemer (diesel). > > Chris > I've done the opposite, almost did the diesel in a gas(petrol) truck trick because it's hard to remember at 3 o'clock in the morning that I'm driving the one odd ball truck in the fleet. Anyway how bad did it run or didn't it? The stories I've are that the engines will immediately blow up, but they were always a friend of a friend type and therefore of little credence. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 14:53:27 2008 Received: (qmail 6395 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 12:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 12:53:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A31FC3E21; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:53:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:53:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F234C3366 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:53:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.178.18]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K85000S6YG2A1I2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:52:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:52:52 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48E615A4.1050407@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <2288369.18941222870530485.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 14:53:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e615c724311234514069 That is so funny. At first I thought it was serious, then saw the sledge hammer. Nice action shot of the pulverized glass flying from the front. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Andrew Fildes wrote: > Here's the classic repair for a yellowed radioactive Pentax 50mm - > http://www.hermes.net.au/bayling/repair.html > > Some of the single-coated Zuikos had a golden look to the coating. > My 24/2 is elsewhere but I'll go check later - but it was one of the > pro-grade lenses that was always multi-coated in some form as far as > I remember. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/10/2008, at 12:07 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> By they way, a number of older Pentax and Canon lenses also suffer >> from yellowing due to "radioactive" thorium glass, cured through >> intense >> sunlight exposure for a couple of days. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 15:24:11 2008 Received: (qmail 12968 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 13:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 13:24:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0589AC4334; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:23:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:23:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp3.dyxs.nl (smtp3.dyxs.nl [85.17.86.111]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF04C41A1 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:23:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Olaf-Greve.lan (rt25bb146-89-44.routit.net [89.146.25.44]) by smtp3.dyxs.nl with ESMTP (Mailtraq/2.11.0.2198) id SMTP8C2FF7B2 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:22:49 +0200 From: Olaf Greve To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] TOPE 35: 1 new entry X-Priority: 3 References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <4703D777.3010307@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> Message-Id: <71A2A59A-1AD5-4161-BF5B-77962E1AA055@millennics.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:22:25 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ogreve@millennics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 15:24:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e61cfb136211023412894 Hi, Another fine new entry has just been added to the TOPE 35 gallery, so you can all go check it out at the gallery! Also: around this Wednesday the anonymity period will be lifted, so those of you who want to take cover under the veil of anonymity can still do so for a few days more... Cheers and have a good weekend! Olafo Main page: http://www.tope.nl Direct link to TOPE 35: http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=35 Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: http://www.tope.nl/events.php ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 16:06:27 2008 Received: (qmail 16058 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 14:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 14:06:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6904BC3357; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:06:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:06:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691E1C530C for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:05:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id A2BFB0D0T6 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:05:55 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] New Zuiko zoom Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:05:54 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <71A2A59A-1AD5-4161-BF5B-77962E1AA055@millennics.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New Zuiko zoom thread-index: AcklW1Q1lmDsV+OuS82o5VRyFq/COAABcGjQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2008 14:05:55.0319 (UTC) FILETIME=[2700D070:01C92561] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 16:06:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e626e3211869347015869 Wasn't the 9-18mm supposed to be on the market by now? 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 16:41:52 2008 Received: (qmail 31335 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 14:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 14:41:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915CCC6059; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:41:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:41:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BFFC3BCF for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:40:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1629698wfd.5 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:40:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=l0gTf0Gs9Ml4l12BY4zyVbbFed5/5N1jl5GE1FVDzQA=; b=TmYGVaTTb/Mjdqc5Z076+AzxeKsEfkQSQXHVgv/ut+TjTpswZOWUcAD4mvxG/jgHbM hsW2PKvcbIunkvRe9u5cCGIA/0ZiYQaaOM4kchJnW5dsT7jmNbuXig7DRUIOVihaUTmg sqrgp5akhtvLcP+eVkNngH+oV+zjBbp0kSu+c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=GKVGwANNg48qVWgOrNPZiDognX4MCQhTYvBlcl78uv8JsoOfqRbuCSIYDhV11q4/lw zfPZFNyVlzxWJqpYG+T2d1DSHHxSII2opGgdsJmX/ReBz2npaCrpk9heX1mCMVKt4YrV lmMFZcPb8R/azGLKllFexQdSKD2uFn8WC049E= Received: by 10.141.85.13 with SMTP id n13mr620140rvl.250.1223044846499; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.204.2 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:40:46 +0200 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New Zuiko zoom In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <71A2A59A-1AD5-4161-BF5B-77962E1AA055@millennics.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikooh@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 16:41:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e62f3031391869477228 It is, selling for 519 euro minus 50 euro cashback here... Iwert 2008/10/3 Timpe, Jim <> > > Wasn't the 9-18mm supposed to be on the market by now? > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 16:44:45 2008 Received: (qmail 21057 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 14:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 14:44:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD9CC6D2B; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:44:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:44:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DA3C6595 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:43:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 1BB03985DR for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:43:07 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: New Zuiko zoom Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:43:07 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: New Zuiko zoom thread-index: AcklZi/OuBZyqEakRI2xai9JKJnXtwAAAuXQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2008 14:43:07.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[5993A530:01C92566] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 16:44:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e62fdd122403675314703 And they show it as in stock and delivery ready? I looked some more after tossing the question out, and found a distributor saying it is expected to be released around 10/24. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of iwert bernakiewicz Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:41 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New Zuiko zoom It is, selling for 519 euro minus 50 euro cashback here... Iwert 2008/10/3 Timpe, Jim <> > > Wasn't the 9-18mm supposed to be on the market by now? > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 16:46:38 2008 Received: (qmail 21664 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 14:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 14:46:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC4DC61B3; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:44:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:44:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFFFC6547 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:43:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so1064002wah.1 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:43:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=w9Ogq12wiAOUu+AC0Fkow2bNX8bRUjqszYVcrI4niMg=; b=N2LrCM4ll9AA5omS6xC6m93jV1CFsM8wlKSBKxPdajk3zz/Bdkc9oQ+9TO6uDgn+zX hCna2E0nuTdB1x5Gvncq4pBKax2ScJDWJxhGCyr9nHkVu6BLffo7ludXrL9BX5sSP5Pe y2/Su3kgDhsVIo9Gx+ufSlEO+muhp2czfsc+g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=OzJ3Nk/+KTTBe6UZ5+4/x1xSv+918MuRoTQuhJoCRk52D1RMoLtHg/3ZVA9X3SvC76 nWL1NpL1ixUIrYQ6808jKykSolI7Ag5AHzKHJVXGHWp6ecPkuKk/nUqiSd2FQTCtIstt Ypw+HLmsl4vQZQaxyxKHoW0m1lGXw3Kb5UKmo= Received: by 10.114.201.1 with SMTP id y1mr1301303waf.93.1223045007164; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810030743y552eb0a5lb3799e6d014c757d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:43:27 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [SPAM] off camera flash? In-Reply-To: <897E0EE9-1789-4296-A62D-75D7B1BCE516@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> <30892D68-29DA-4940-B22A-A336D1722A1E@people.net.au> <897E0EE9-1789-4296-A62D-75D7B1BCE516@threeshoes.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3588927b85831af6 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 16:46:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e6304e303991234514069 Oh sh*te... as another oil-burning beemer driver (320cd) I'd like to follow up "what happens next"... keep us informed. Jez On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > And I am being quite serious at the moment, owing to having just put > 34litres of unleaded petrol in my beautiful Beemer (diesel). > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 21:16:17 2008 Received: (qmail 21782 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 19:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 19:16:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F12C7BBB; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:06:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:06:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1747C7CA1 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:47:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d21.3beba955 (37564) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB041-92bc48e65a93cb; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:46:59 -0400 Received: from FWM-D02 (fwm-d02.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.194]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA012-5c4448e65a8e4f; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:46:54 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Any info on Angenieux 35-70/2.5-3.3 in OM mount??? Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:46:54 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by FWM-D02.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.194) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:46:54 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF39728B4F20F-16DC-418@FWM-D02.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 21:16:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e66f8123217350615338 Thanks for the link, Jim. The "fit and finish" apparently is not on par with Zeiss and a handling description as "clunky" has dampened my enthusiasm. There are some detailed reviews available for a price. Likely will keep the powder dry. The contrast/resolution is reportedly top notch. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 23:23:18 2008 Received: (qmail 24291 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 21:23:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 21:23:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D01E20E6; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:27:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:27:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F593C9CE0 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:12:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.178.18]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8600MSEAG323L0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:12:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:12:05 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48E65265.1020201@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 23:23:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e68d467721591313764 nice response! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > on 02/10/2008 02:26, Dawid Loubser at dawidl@solms.co.za, wrote: > > >> Have a look at the lovely response: >> >>> Message from 'treazurekat' (do NOT buy from this seller) >>> Stop whining; that's a $400 lens you moron! I ended the auction >>> early because eBay suspended me. I no longer sell used equipment on >>> eBay precisely because of cry babies like you; if you want a BRAND >>> NEW 24mm f2 lens go to a camera store and buy one for $2000.00! > WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????? > > Fernando > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 3 23:47:15 2008 Received: (qmail 8616 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 21:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 21:47:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8C4C939E; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:09:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:09:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684A0DFCF3 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACB4C96B6 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:40:28 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3E586C35-98DF-4FD0-85ED-116461043FE3@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <200810030842.04660.doug9345@localnet.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: petrol gas in a diesel was [SPAM] off camera flash? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:23:29 +0100 References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> <30892D68-29DA-4940-B22A-A336D1722A1E@people.net.au> <897E0EE9-1789-4296-A62D-75D7B1BCE516@threeshoes.net> <200810030842.04660.doug9345@localnet.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 3 23:47:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e692e393149347015869 Bad luck Doug. It's still running fine, although I thought that I could hear more of a diesel rattle under acceleration. The man at our local garage said that the fuel pumps on the high pressure diesels (common rail diesel) could go and cost thousands. I'll find out tomorrow when they've pumped out the tank and replaced it with diesel. Chris On 3 Oct 2008, at 13:42, Doug wrote: > > I've done the opposite, almost did the diesel in a gas(petrol) truck > trick > because it's hard to remember at 3 o'clock in the morning that I'm > driving > the one odd ball truck in the fleet. > > Anyway how bad did it run or didn't it? The stories I've are that > the engines > will immediately blow up, but they were always a friend of a friend > type and > therefore of little credence. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 00:09:07 2008 Received: (qmail 11492 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 22:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 22:09:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110ABDF9E0; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:52:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:52:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0D4E0D3C for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:40:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081003194006.HGEA11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:40:06 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id NKg51a00A4vDLwc02Kg5rV; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:40:05 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H11kUegiAAcA:10 a=usJ7tkBt3ZUA:10 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=fl6-hsqSvsvFeJ9qPKgA:9 a=FfEtPfdnUK4h-P2xG4AA:7 a=Hoq8RgDgjnZyJEyYdnbKgUqeJQkA:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <95084F7CA3AA44F788C4B4E3A1C0490B@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <8CAF39728B4F20F-16DC-418@FWM-D02.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Any info on Angenieux 35-70/2.5-3.3 in OM mount??? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:39:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 00:09:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e69803202131023412894 I've no experience with Angenieux still camera lenses, but used some in C mount years ago. The fit and finish was certainly sub-Zeiss, but at least equal and likely better than the new cosina lenses. All metal, engraved numbers filled with white paint, smooth operation, etc. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 12:46 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Any info on Angenieux 35-70/2.5-3.3 in OM mount??? Thanks for the link, Jim. The "fit and finish" apparently is not on par with Zeiss and a handling description as "clunky" has dampened my enthusiasm. There are some detailed reviews available for a price. Likely will keep the powder dry. The contrast/resolution is reportedly top notch. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1705 - Release Date: 10/3/2008 8:18 AM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 00:36:43 2008 Received: (qmail 17823 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 22:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 22:36:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55217DFDE1; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 23:32:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:32:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD439C5FD8 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:21:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A29C96F0 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:38:15 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <05ae01c9254e$b7c5f350$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: [SPAM] off camera flash? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:21:15 +0100 References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> <30892D68-29DA-4940-B22A-A336D1722A1E@people.net.au> <897E0EE9-1789-4296-A62D-75D7B1BCE516@threeshoes.net> <05ae01c9254e$b7c5f350$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 00:36:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e69e7b50942070262475 Thanks, Piers. There was about 10 litres of diesel in the bottom of the tank, plus the 24 litres diesel I put on top of the petrol to dilute it. So I felt that I was OK to drive the 2 miles home from the garage. Everyone seems to have done it ... ;-). But it's a dreadful waste of the fuel, plus feeling a complete prat. Chris On 3 Oct 2008, at 12:53, Piers Hemy wrote: > > Aargh, I feel for you, Chris, from bitter experience. I hope you > realised > before you left the scene of the "crime-against-all-the-fuel-system- > seals" - > as I did, but it still cost me over GBP100, and that was 15 years ago. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 00:47:01 2008 Received: (qmail 30765 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 22:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 22:47:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1CAD1A1D; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:44:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:44:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690CCDEF1F for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:51:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28486 invoked by uid 502); 3 Oct 2008 20:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.173.85) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Oct 2008 20:50:49 -0000 Message-ID: <48E685A4.5030101@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:50:44 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: off camera flash? References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> <48E5F5AF.1080105@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48E5F5AF.1080105@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 00:47:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e6a0e5184561744846740 Donald wrote: > Patrick Moore wrote: > >> >> >> Here's one which is slightly more conventional, and failing to quite get to GeeBee territory. Shall we say, an amateur homage. ;) >> >> http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/indiv.pl?dir=sligo_2008&photo=sligo_sept_2008_011.jpg&o=12 >> > > Begging to be Moosterised... ;-) > Oh dear, I'd already done that for myself before getting to your suggestion. Chris Barker wrote: > ... but I'm not sure of the compositional benefit afforded by the empty fertiliser tank ;-) > I agree. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 00:52:42 2008 Received: (qmail 26222 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 22:52:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 22:52:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A757E051A; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:04:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:04:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069BEC535F for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 23:45:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Trace: 83721952/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.75.238.218/None/jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.75.238.218 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEAJct5khPS+7a/2dsb2JhbACMcq9AgWg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,358,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="83721952" Received: from 79-75-238-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO MEDIAPC) ([79.75.238.218]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 03 Oct 2008 22:45:40 +0100 From: "Jon Mitchell" To: Subject: [OM] Re: [SPAM] off camera flash? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:46:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c925a1$89ad2d00$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <9f07ac840810030743y552eb0a5lb3799e6d014c757d@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jon@jonmitch.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 00:52:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e6a23a172721744846740 Similarly, although I'm not a beemer driver my new "beast" is powered by the 2-litre BMW Common-Rail Diesel engine (and very nice it is too). I've heard varying results on what happens with Petrol in a Diesel engine. 1) Friend of mine put 7 litres of Unleaded in his Citroen Diesel before he realised "hang on, they don't do unleaded diesel ... do they ?". It was late, he was tired, etc. AA advice was to fill it up with diesel and keep driving, stopping every 20 miles or so to bounce the car up and down to ensure the fuels mixed a bit. Seemed to clear the engine out as it sailed through the emissions test at the next MOT as "the cleanest Diesel we've seen in a long time". 2) My Father filled his Rover 45 Diesel with Unleaded. Drove it a couple of miles down the road before it started misbehaving, and he realised what he'd done. Then (this is where I despair of him) he thought to himself "it's only another 10 miles home, I'll just keep going". Made it another mile or so before it ground to an ungraceful halt. By some extremely odd stroke of luck, all it needed was the fuel tank drained and the fuel filter replaced. No apparent engine damage. 3) Despite both the above, everyone keeps telling me it's a very bad thing to do. I don't plan on trying it out soon though. I don't really know the chemistry behind it all, but I know that one burns much hotter than the other. My own logic tells me that as Petrol requires a spark to ignite it, and there are no spark plugs in a diesel engine, then in theory once the ratio of Petrol to Diesel in the cylinder gets too high it just won't ignite. I'm not about to test it out in my new toy though. Totally OT, but here's a link to my new BMW-powered toy : http://gallery.mg-rover.org/showphoto.php/photo/16845/size/big/cat/ Not actually mine (don't have pics of mine online yet) but very, very similar (same model, same colour). I think that might be the loony Petrol 4.6L V8 version though ... definitely can't afford the fuel for that one ! OM Content .... er, I've used it to carry my OM's (and E's) around sometimes. :-) Jon Oh sh*te... as another oil-burning beemer driver (320cd) I'd like to follow up "what happens next"... keep us informed. Jez On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > And I am being quite serious at the moment, owing to having just put > 34litres of unleaded petrol in my beautiful Beemer (diesel). > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 01:18:05 2008 Received: (qmail 1115 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 23:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 23:18:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4EFDEDCC; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:36:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:36:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EB6100EBA for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.bb9.33b19b84 (37167) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA046-912f48e69876199; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:11:02 -0400 Received: from FWM-D02 (fwm-d02.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.194]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA022-5c4c48e69869128; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:10:50 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] SanDisk rebates Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:10:49 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by FWM-D02.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.194) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:10:49 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF3BC072E5BD0-16DC-1354@FWM-D02.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 01:18:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e6a82d138622070262475 Seems quite nice. My previous rebate did work eventually---they initially "lost the info." I had to resend it to a separate address than they short changed the rebate by 15 bucks. They then sent the difference. Rebate form: http://www.adorama.com/pdfs/rebates/sandiskx_101108.pdf Can even get 16GB cf Adorma my be out but UI am told they will have them back in stock ina day or two. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 01:30:16 2008 Received: (qmail 836 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 23:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 23:30:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CBE101F2D; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 23:47:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:47:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7E0E2099 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:27:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B7DC96CD for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:44:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <266D510D-BB77-4ACE-8F8A-5205F507B474@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840810030743y552eb0a5lb3799e6d014c757d@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: [SPAM] off camera flash? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:27:34 +0100 References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> <30892D68-29DA-4940-B22A-A336D1722A1E@people.net.au> <897E0EE9-1789-4296-A62D-75D7B1BCE516@threeshoes.net> <9f07ac840810030743y552eb0a5lb3799e6d014c757d@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 01:30:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e6ab0838671073733319 Wilco, Jez. I'll let you know tomorrow. I had a Mercedes ML270 a few years ago, also a common rail diesel, and I did something similar to that (yes, more than once a prat!). I had put about half a tank of petrol in when I realised my mistake. I wandered sheepishly into the building to pay the man for the petrol and told him what I had done. He advised me to top it up with diesel and it would be OK. So I did, and it was OK. I drove that M-Class for another year or so with no ill effects. I think that I worried more about the BMW because it's more highly tuned -- 150bhp from 2 litres vs 165 from 2.7ltires. Chris On 3 Oct 2008, at 15:43, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > Oh sh*te... as another oil-burning beemer driver (320cd) I'd like > to follow > up "what happens next"... keep us informed. > Jez > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Chris Barker > wrote: > >> And I am being quite serious at the moment, owing to having just put >> 34litres of unleaded petrol in my beautiful Beemer (diesel). >> > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 01:46:56 2008 Received: (qmail 20083 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2008 23:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 23:46:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC934C771A; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:04:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:04:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0B5C9D4B for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:56:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1105 invoked by uid 502); 3 Oct 2008 20:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.173.85) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Oct 2008 20:56:38 -0000 Message-ID: <48E68704.80606@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:56:36 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [SPAM] off camera flash? References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> <30892D68-29DA-4940-B22A-A336D1722A1E@people.net.au> <897E0EE9-1789-4296-A62D-75D7B1BCE516@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <897E0EE9-1789-4296-A62D-75D7B1BCE516@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 01:46:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e6aef0321738512572685 Chris Barker wrote: > ... > > And I am being quite serious at the moment, owing to having just put 34litres of unleaded petrol in my beautiful Beemer (diesel). > Oof! I hope the damage is minimal. Finally, something we do better here. The filler hose for petrol won't fit in the filler opening for diesel. At least on the pumps at my local stations. Not that I have a diesel, I just notice things while standing around. I don't believe the reverse is true, though. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 02:37:08 2008 Received: (qmail 22978 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 00:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 00:37:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89390E058F; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:15:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:15:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43D0D1912 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:30:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85069B0609 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:29:57 +1000 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bEEwM-9qirrK for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:29:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3A5B061D for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:29:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from c211-30-67-111.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au ([211.30.67.111] helo=[10.0.1.3]) by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Klt9o-0000KO-Nw for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:29:56 +1000 Message-Id: From: Brent To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48E5E650.3050604@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: 1600 ISO Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:29:56 +1000 References: <0D38B85B-4F70-4398-BEC0-9BC1DAED6EC9@wildskies.net> <48E5E650.3050604@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brutherford@wildskies.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 02:37:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e6bab489521744846740 Oh wow... that's nice... Not too expensive either. Sold. Thanks Moose. I've seen your posts on this before but these examples are very impressive compared to what I was able to achieve in other software. Brent On 03/10/2008, at 7:30 PM, Moose wrote: > Brent wrote: >> .... >> >> I had a go at removing the grain but my photoshop skills couldn't >> come up with anything that didn't look 'soft focus'. > > It's probably not all due to your PS skills. One weakness of PS, at > least through CS3, is the noise reduction. It's far from the > standard of > independent tools. > > and. > > Both treatments used two different applications of NeatImage, one for > low detail areas and the other where more detail needs to be > preserved, > mostly the hair. > >> Not that I expected grainless photos with a 1600 ISO film, but I >> guess I've become accustomed to the results people are producing >> with their new digital gear now. >> > Digital has taken the lead in that area generally. The good news is > that > digital darkroom tools help a lot. > > Moose > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 02:59:21 2008 Received: (qmail 29883 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 00:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 00:59:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBBAC7C44; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 02:47:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:47:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFB8CA470 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:23:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.cac.3fbede3f (37554) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB033-92b248e6a959365; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:23:05 -0400 Received: from FWM-D02 (fwm-d02.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.194]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA025-5c4f48e6a94c292; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:22:52 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Interesting focus target Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:22:53 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by FWM-D02.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.194) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:22:53 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF3C6180AB38F-16DC-15F5@FWM-D02.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 02:59:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e6bfe9321231073733319 I believe Dr. Flash's long lost colleague Dr. Focus posted a printable focus target a year or so ago. I have it and it works OK. Ran across this way to test precise AF that is somewhat less subjective as the inference patterns should be easy to observe. http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/cameras/1ds3_af_micoadjustment.html#af_microadjustment One problem with the focus confirm chips was that for some they would focus confirm with consistent front or back focus. Perhaps with the AF adjustment on the new digital back for Zuikos (5D Mk11) this won't be an issue. We'll see. Perhaps this is a good way to check E3, 520 etc as well. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 03:08:06 2008 Received: (qmail 15609 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 01:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 01:08:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CECD07EB; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 02:27:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:27:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.90]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B61CD144A for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:18:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 45711 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2008 23:18:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=IFox8iqXkXRl/ooCYZDTbx2k0jP7IHOU8bKz7aORswfxaqtjvEiiDCeLXMQKGh5hJ5nEaD/04Qh+RCdTMTs7u2mQ2AxQuF5ntx1bYPUhrUIcTNAFOlmp9L02bYfagQTbJIa6n+u9csr1dKnLGdVOhARaU3G+G+4alfCvN632F18=; X-YMail-OSG: lNB_d1kVM1msH_4JNKAPnMXPZOBxQ5SXyjp77wJQBmPqn7_kOP419eYQBMBZ2dGjeDKb4W1yr0yHbhy1NrouL1Xae4RfcSNwcACY.dpd5Q2_BZz9NT.N2BV.JxKPMC6yh0_OH0pR2VXzqGBnuDwSvXaG Received: from [86.165.222.141] by web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:17:59 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 23:17:59 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN Subject: [OM] Re: Any info on Angenieux 35-70/2.5-3.3 in OM mount??? To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <8CAF30794AD8703-690-9DA@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <99628.45666.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: john.duggan10@btinternet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 03:08:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e6c1f6305457350615338 Mike, Just noticed your post regarding the Angenieux 35-70 mm zoom. OK ...Here goes. Image quality of the lens is VERY good esp stopped down slightly. Construction is sound but the polycarbonate construction does show scuffs. Very respected manufacturer. Lens is certainly "quirky" and is rather a big beast for the zoom range. I had trouble with the zooming mechanism...once I found a repairer capable of working on the lens it was sorted out with a general service for about £70 / $130. It has proved faultless since. (NO spares are available!!!) To avoid vignetting at the wide end slim line filters are essential. Two hoods are available, the rectangular one is much better. It is prone to flare or ghosting if a strong light source is just outside picture area. Results with B+W film are first class. I have three 35-70 mm zooms, the Olympus f3.6, the Angenieux, and a Tokina ATX. Image wise the Angenieux probably has the edge But the Olympus or Tokina get more use due to their smaller size. Would I buy it again...Hmmm difficult, It was expensive ( I think I paid approx $650) but it is a "cult" lens..Probably would....at $350/$400 with filters ,certainly. Depends on your viewpoint :-) Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK ........................................................................... --- On Fri, 3/10/08, usher99@aol.com wrote: > From: usher99@aol.com > Subject: [OM] Any info on Angenieux 35-70/2.5-3.3 in OM mount??? > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Friday, 3 October, 2008, 1:39 AM > Stumbled into finding one one of these for sale for less > than the usual > current price of a Z 35-80/2.8. It is mint IB with hood and > a couple > filters. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 05:04:36 2008 Received: (qmail 24843 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 03:04:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 03:04:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EA2C2C8C; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 05:04:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 05:04:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BEBC2AFF for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 05:04:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NQLi1a0040FhH24A3T2PzL; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:02:23 +0000 Received: from hatty ([76.121.6.244]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NT2N1a00T5Fu0GC8UT2Pdx; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:02:23 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=A6VCbSHxAAAA:8 a=UlAVE1SnF2V1bdIEjgEA:9 a=nDP5QGAeCFsawytrbRAA:7 a=KURPntsjdt1wmTQ2Gn7ezpz4LEYA:4 a=JqzK7hVu6n4A:10 a=YIwbdzVhz_5-iHchm5kA:9 a=rNI9pZPKsh-alERtTtAA:7 a=Wm9nfbdA_ojzE3cV1oYkrE-JmCMA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 From: "Lawrence Plummer" To: Subject: [OM] Re: SanDisk rebates Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:02:23 -0700 Message-ID: <50FA0B5FDBB44D72B6A33E462B04D963@hatty> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcklzZ9gdKzeIQeFQ3+i76KYtNz3bA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: plummerl@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 05:04:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e6dd44131465368819438 It's mind-boggling. I just received today my two 8GB Extreme III CF cards, for a total of $19.90 (after the rebate). After my order, I discovered that I could have ordered three cards for a total equal to a few cents less than the order that I made! larry -----Original Message----- Seems quite nice. My previous rebate did work eventually---they initially "lost the info." I had to resend it to a separate address than they short changed the rebate by 15 bucks. They then sent the difference. Rebate form: http://www.adorama.com/pdfs/rebates/sandiskx_101108.pdf Can even get 16GB cf Adorma my be out but UI am told they will have them back in stock ina day or two. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 05:07:16 2008 Received: (qmail 2195 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 03:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 03:07:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1E2C2E4E; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 05:06:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 05:06:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from extsmtp4.localnet.com (extsmtp4.localnet.com [207.251.201.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 51CBDC2DA0 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 05:06:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22224 invoked by uid 1011); 4 Oct 2008 03:06:55 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by bombastic (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. Clear:RC:0(10.30.204.254):SA:0(3.4/4.8):. Processed in 0.210531 secs); 04 Oct 2008 03:06:55 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 required=4.8 X-Spam-Level: +++ Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp4.localnet.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 03:06:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 6647 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2008 03:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-7-106.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.7.106]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp4.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Oct 2008 03:06:55 -0000 From: Doug To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Petrol in a diesel was off camera flash? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 23:23:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <000201c925a1$89ad2d00$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> In-Reply-To: <000201c925a1$89ad2d00$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200810032323.20095.doug9345@localnet.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: doug9345@localnet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 05:07:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e6dde4165881499373980 On Friday, October 03, 2008 17:46, Jon Mitchell wrote: > 3) Despite both the above, everyone keeps telling me it's a very bad > thing to do. I don't plan on trying it out soon though. > > I don't really know the chemistry behind it all, but I know that one > burns much hotter than the other. My own logic tells me that as Petrol > requires a spark to ignite it, and there are no spark plugs in a diesel > engine, then in theory once the ratio of Petrol to Diesel in the > cylinder gets too high it just won't ignite. I'm not about to test it > out in my new toy though. Petrol has a higher ignition point than diesel intentionally. When the diesel is injected into the cylinder it needs to ignite immediately and not after some quantity has been pumped in. The important point to remember is that this is happening before the cylinder reaches maximum compression and therefore maximum temperaure. The problem, as I understand it, is that if petrol is used instead of diesel a quantity is injected before the fuel ignites. Because the charge of fuel burns all at once, it vastly increases the loads on engine components. I would believe that how it reacts depends on a bunch of factors. High octane petrol in a relatively low compression cold diesel might not run at all. Low octane petrol with a little diesel mixed in, run in a high compression hot diesel might not be that noticeable. Some combination inbetween could trash an engine. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 06:02:30 2008 Received: (qmail 23372 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 04:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 04:02:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74658C4079; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:02:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:02:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.65]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 68F5DC4082 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:02:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 41368 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2008 04:02:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=OfoSGrvJDjBpeMzN0BB6oqSC4Zg1MZ3vJC3TOz93MLMNQXxFz7k+fU/rSBBa3NHmpsCn/okmkQbiwrAJFPJ0PBZvYGx51rSXgYV1bJUkImLGN6HxGXuVMkmFauBOrK+cddOExHyC3qAIT45PHcSSTcaGZ9G1ajAK61pIaaRFw1w=; X-YMail-OSG: Q7JqnfQVM1nCoV77sVaZs9MsIfSNynmG.ZOa6psrwzPpODHn8ILAeiI9M8xgQGBI85R4VfwYkrRNKxrV0lniIbivzYEWI4xiug3TxAHLJrQAH4autRL8PnQnIofjiRzcKNhmzACVkzkVyOLycCQSem.15sxt7A7SEJovF7xQreY1LjdaNt1T_Ya00AAxKLqlgq3p Received: from [72.75.195.127] by web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:02:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:02:12 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: 1600 ISO To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <800896.40363.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 06:02:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e6ead5169851342116753 The original post never came through but have you tried Noise Ninja? --- On Fri, 10/3/08, Brent wrote: > From: Brent > Subject: [OM] Re: 1600 ISO > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 6:29 PM > Oh wow... that's nice... > > Not too expensive either. > > Sold. > > Thanks Moose. I've seen your posts on this before but > these examples > are very impressive compared to what I was able to achieve > in other > software. > > Brent > > On 03/10/2008, at 7:30 PM, Moose wrote: > > > Brent wrote: > >> .... > >> > >> I had a go at removing the grain but my photoshop > skills couldn't > >> come up with anything that didn't look > 'soft focus'. > > > > It's probably not all due to your PS skills. One > weakness of PS, at > > least through CS3, is the noise reduction. It's > far from the > > standard of > > independent tools. > > > > > and. > > > > > Both treatments used two different applications of > NeatImage, one for > > low detail areas and the other where more detail needs > to be > > preserved, > > mostly the hair. > > > >> Not that I expected grainless photos with a 1600 > ISO film, but I > >> guess I've become accustomed to the results > people are producing > >> with their new digital gear now. > >> > > Digital has taken the lead in that area generally. The > good news is > > that > > digital darkroom tools help a lot. > > > > Moose > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 06:32:55 2008 Received: (qmail 20981 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 04:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 04:32:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7418C3264; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:32:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:32:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36862C321E for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:32:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 101.red-81-39-71.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.71.101]:57935 helo=[192.168.2.101]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Klyok-0005P9-1j (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:32:35 +0000 Message-Id: <7BA21767-0C9D-4E7E-B203-8D9586A2E045@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, Picture a Day discussion group Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] IMG: re-worked cliffs near Poole Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:32:30 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 06:32:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e6f1f7113691529615919 After I posted my PAWs from last week, one of my images (the one that most of us, including myself, thought to be the best of the set) was given the rare honour of being "moosterized" by Moose, a member of the Olympus list who has a penchant for suggesting improvements to others' pictures by posting a "before and after" version on his web site. This is the original image, as I posted it: http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/uploads/2008/39alt12.jpg Moose, as he often does, suggested punching up the contrast and saturation significantly. Here is his "before and after" version: http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/Wajsman/39alt12.htm I tend to have a preference for muted colours and lower contrast, but in this case I have to agree that his version represents an improvement, and so this morning I went back to the original image and played with adjustments in Lightroom until I got to something that went some of the way, but not all the way, in the direction suggested by Moose. The result is here: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#386019421_EnS6t-O-LB It is a nice example of how feedback on these lists can happen across many time zones and great distances. A nice illustration of the positive impact of the internet and digital photography. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 07:11:42 2008 Received: (qmail 23243 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 05:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 05:11:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C476C2D72; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:11:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:11:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C337C2CAE for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:11:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13563 invoked by uid 502); 4 Oct 2008 05:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.181.130) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Oct 2008 05:11:15 -0000 Message-ID: <48E6FAEF.8070001@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:11:11 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 1600 ISO References: <800896.40363.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <800896.40363.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 07:11:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e6fb0e258041499373980 AS wrote: > The original post never came through but have you tried Noise Ninja? > I would expect any of the 3 or 4 major independent NR apps to give good results. I used NeatImage to show Brent how well NR could work on his high ISO film images for the simple reason that it's what I use. I don't know how it would stack up against other options in their current incarnations. When I went looking for NR software a few years ago, I ended up trying out both NI and NN using their trial versions. I really couldn't see much difference in performance overall. It seemed like one would have a slight edge on one image and the situation would reverse or be even on other images. I ended up using NI for the immediate task at hand back then for the simple reason that the NI trial, although limited in several ways compared to the full version, would output a usable image. The NN trial would only output watermarked images. I occasionally used the NI limited version for some time thereafter and now use the full version fairly regularly. It is like magic on some sorts of files, like RAW files from the A650 IS, both reducing noise and increasing detail at once. NN might do the same or better - or not. I don't know. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 07:37:38 2008 Received: (qmail 21814 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 05:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 05:37:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616D1C2E4B; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:37:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:37:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AA3C282B for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:37:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99C1461586 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:52:29 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <33290BC7-3F74-4F9A-92F3-C38FA50CD642@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48E68704.80606@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: [SPAM] off camera flash? Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:37:23 +0100 References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> <30892D68-29DA-4940-B22A-A336D1722A1E@people.net.au> <897E0EE9-1789-4296-A62D-75D7B1BCE516@threeshoes.net> <48E68704.80606@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 07:37:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e70122113551073733319 Thanks, Moose. The reverse is true here. I'm not sure which way round would do the most damage, but the change in filler sizes happened when we introduced unleaded petrol in the UK (or even the whole of Europe) and the idea was that you didn't put leaded in the wrong tank. Chris On 3 Oct 2008, at 21:56, Moose wrote: > > Oof! I hope the damage is minimal. > > Finally, something we do better here. The filler hose for petrol won't > fit in the filler opening for diesel. At least on the pumps at my > local > stations. Not that I have a diesel, I just notice things while > standing > around. > > I don't believe the reverse is true, though. > > Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 07:43:14 2008 Received: (qmail 8943 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 05:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 05:43:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA85C34CF; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:42:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:42:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB5DC34F6 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:42:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9D41B2113E for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:42:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qppNA5Qjgnkh for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02651B2112F for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081004030407.3DAA9C2B5E@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: 1600 ISO Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:42:44 -0700 References: <20081004030407.3DAA9C2B5E@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 07:43:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e7027247523675314703 I'll tell you how I deal with high ISO needs: image stabilization. The Olympus IS is so good (chorus: "How good is it?") that I think nothing of shooting as much as five stops below the "rule of thumb." It is so good that I've re-discovered the 500/8 Reflex lens -- hand- held. It is so good, that I rarely even look at the shutter speed in moderately-low light situations any more -- I just shoot. Of course, IS will not stop subject motion, nor does it free you from the tripod for extremely long exposures. But it has changed my shooting more than any other innovation since the OM-2 introduced me to aperture priority automatic exposure. :::: The earth's immune system, so to speak, has recognized the presence of the human species and is starting to kick in. The earth is attempting to rid itself of an infection by the human parasite. -- Richard Preston :::: Jan Steinman ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 09:02:46 2008 Received: (qmail 16914 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 07:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 07:02:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510E7C3096; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:02:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:02:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA1AC2C90 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:02:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 101.red-81-39-71.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.71.101]:58607 helo=[192.168.2.101]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Km18s-0004jk-5A (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:01:31 +0000 Message-Id: <456752FA-D86F-41CC-9F54-186388754367@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Picture a Day discussion group , olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 27/09/2008: a very special flower Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:01:28 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 09:02:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e71516310791993019900 I do not usually post flower pictures, but this one is very special for reasons that will become obvious when you read the caption: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#386085717_spPQd-O-LB Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 09:29:06 2008 Received: (qmail 20807 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 07:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 07:29:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756FBC3349; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:28:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:28:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6737BC37E7 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:28:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2C8C96FD for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:45:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <401D7A03-3D6C-4156-86F4-DCC07D154600@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <456752FA-D86F-41CC-9F54-186388754367@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 27/09/2008: a very special flower Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:28:47 +0100 References: <456752FA-D86F-41CC-9F54-186388754367@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 09:29:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e71b42160669347015869 Phew! I thought that it was going to be a sad story. Thanks, Nathan. Chris On 4 Oct 2008, at 08:01, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > I do not usually post flower pictures, but this one is very special > for reasons that will become obvious when you read the caption: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#386085717_spPQd-O-LB ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 11:30:18 2008 Received: (qmail 21272 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 09:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 09:30:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640BCC33C3; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:29:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:29:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F9DC44DA for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:29:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C79B060A for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:29:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UjKTO6n5Hg3t for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:29:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EDDB05FB for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:29:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from c211-30-67-111.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au ([211.30.67.111] helo=[10.0.1.3]) by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Km3SO-00038b-8z for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:29:48 +1000 Message-Id: <8D151AA4-C965-447C-8FD5-C5C9BC49F739@wildskies.net> From: Brent To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: 1600 ISO Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:29:47 +1000 References: <20081004030407.3DAA9C2B5E@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brutherford@wildskies.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 11:30:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e737aa297651035110158 I really will have to have a try of one of the latest Olympus digital bodies... that in-body image stabilisation is very alluring. Not sure we've saved up enough to justify me going Oly digital with the investment my wife has in Canon glass but using the old manual lenses on an image-stabilised body at lower ISO does sound very nice, as you describe. Brent On 04/10/2008, at 3:42 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > > I'll tell you how I deal with high ISO needs: image stabilization. > > The Olympus IS is so good (chorus: "How good is it?") that I think > nothing of shooting as much as five stops below the "rule of thumb." > It is so good that I've re-discovered the 500/8 Reflex lens -- hand- > held. It is so good, that I rarely even look at the shutter speed in > moderately-low light situations any more -- I just shoot. > > Of course, IS will not stop subject motion, nor does it free you from > the tripod for extremely long exposures. But it has changed my > shooting more than any other innovation since the OM-2 introduced me > to aperture priority automatic exposure. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 11:55:46 2008 Received: (qmail 13020 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 09:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 09:55:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79EAC32A1; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:55:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:55:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485F6C33E5 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:55:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE29B0411 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:55:17 +1000 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Um8hK+xRbGWV for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:55:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7F7B041A for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:55:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from c211-30-67-111.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au ([211.30.67.111] helo=[10.0.1.3]) by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Km3rA-0000lI-A3 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:55:24 +1000 Message-Id: From: Brent To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <800896.40363.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: 1600 ISO Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:55:23 +1000 References: <800896.40363.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brutherford@wildskies.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 11:55:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e73da2200862046811720 Hi - I've had a play with the demo versions of both NN and NI tonight. I like NN's Aperture plug in.. Got some good results from NeatImage very quickly, but then after playing with NN a bit more I started to get very similar results. I guess, as Moose indicates, the point is that there are some very effective alternate digital tools out there I should get familiar with! On 04/10/2008, at 2:02 PM, AS wrote: > The original post never came through but have you tried Noise Ninja? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 16:38:24 2008 Received: (qmail 9086 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 14:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 14:38:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4006CC89BF; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:06:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:06:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25E3D1B3C for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:58:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F58C95F8 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:15:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <200810032323.20095.doug9345@localnet.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Petrol in a diesel was off camera flash? Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:58:22 +0100 References: <000201c925a1$89ad2d00$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> <200810032323.20095.doug9345@localnet.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 16:38:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e77fe090931035110158 I got my car back at midday. The chap who owns the local garage came in and worked all morning to sort out my cock-up. He drained the tanks. I had not realised that there was more than one in my little car, but they are saddle tanks and he had to remove the back seat bench and open the tops of each tank before using a little pump to drain each one. Meanwhile he got me to go and fill a jerrycan with 20l of diesel to start the tank refill. I then drove it off to a BP station and topped up the tank; I used Ultimate diesel in the hope that the better quality would do a better job of removing the contamination. It's not a complete waste of money as I do get slightly better fuel consumption from the better diesels (Total Excellium is the other one I've tried). And the charge for the chap's morning's work? A miserly 100 Best British notes! And that included having to dispose of my fuel in his new very expensive bunded waste tank. I have been very lucky and I won't bother the List with my woes for a moment longer ... ;-) Chris On 4 Oct 2008, at 04:23, Doug wrote: > > On Friday, October 03, 2008 17:46, Jon Mitchell wrote: > >> 3) Despite both the above, everyone keeps telling me it's a very bad >> thing to do. I don't plan on trying it out soon though. >> >> I don't really know the chemistry behind it all, but I know that one >> burns much hotter than the other. My own logic tells me that as >> Petrol >> requires a spark to ignite it, and there are no spark plugs in a >> diesel >> engine, then in theory once the ratio of Petrol to Diesel in the >> cylinder gets too high it just won't ignite. I'm not about to test >> it >> out in my new toy though. > > Petrol has a higher ignition point than diesel intentionally. When > the diesel > is injected into the cylinder it needs to ignite immediately and not > after > some quantity has been pumped in. The important point to remember is > that > this is happening before the cylinder reaches maximum compression and > therefore maximum temperaure. The problem, as I understand it, is > that if > petrol is used instead of diesel a quantity is injected before the > fuel > ignites. Because the charge of fuel burns all at once, it vastly > increases > the loads on engine components. > > I would believe that how it reacts depends on a bunch of factors. > High octane > petrol in a relatively low compression cold diesel might not run at > all. Low > octane petrol with a little diesel mixed in, run in a high > compression hot > diesel might not be that noticeable. Some combination inbetween > could trash > an engine. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 17:12:29 2008 Received: (qmail 23644 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 15:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 15:12:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E5FC736B; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:25:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:25:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337A8E0E89 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:51:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E24C95F8 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:08:06 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <688EA34B-3B4C-4A7B-B26A-3A0F448B00E1@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: 1600 ISO Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:51:04 +0100 References: <800896.40363.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 17:12:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e787dd299811234514069 It's the Aperture plug-in that persuades me as well, Brent. I have meant to get a noise control application for a year or so, but I keep putting it to one side ... until I find a noisy image. Chris On 4 Oct 2008, at 10:55, Brent wrote: > > Hi - I've had a play with the demo versions of both NN and NI tonight. > > I like NN's Aperture plug in.. > > Got some good results from NeatImage very quickly, but then after > playing with NN a bit more I started to get very similar results. I > guess, as Moose indicates, the point is that there are some very > effective alternate digital tools out there I should get familiar > with! > > > On 04/10/2008, at 2:02 PM, AS wrote: > >> The original post never came through but have you tried Noise Ninja? > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 17:34:36 2008 Received: (qmail 9349 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 15:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 15:34:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810EAFFAF6; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:04:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:04:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1960D0813 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:32:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so1757260fka.1 for ; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:32:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/xfwruZNZKdzO9MnnBLmkgNIBXQWjOtmvRuJ2wBX35s=; b=HAnfGsaFzBsOlcIxseHW+DkD+fl2n8T/vmhl8ozenmE07vXeJbP1Om6fOyKGbyHOfn E1dW3WnrrvOBZwVNw/CwVUO8YElu/r/Gj/Vt2fFanpo/VhG5MfZIqD9TMSDEOo8NbT98 +49xhHKKtjPqPPA37TZ4/osPPpIg1FwReq/0Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=K029GPOnlIlb0vm8NJtaxuFShiaubTFaKyRR3OwHxnOgqkJI6l6Gcx/RMErIOPonBj rHlsoWFCtfN5RtJPD6rPl1kyzbpSMsVLWr8tVCh3MI7DzVkZQqSa2gV58v2M4ebbtk29 D3yPR1ikF8fcfCsO2fAGbwy1jMJMXr6zReGIA= Received: by 10.103.214.8 with SMTP id r8mr1385214muq.64.1223119956405; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macbook.local (zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch [81.221.125.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y6sm17620117mug.7.2008.10.04.04.32.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48E75450.1070303@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:32:32 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Petrol in a diesel was off camera flash? References: <000201c925a1$89ad2d00$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> <200810032323.20095.doug9345@localnet.com> In-Reply-To: <200810032323.20095.doug9345@localnet.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 17:34:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e78d0c142082336821329 If I remember correctly diesel in a petrol engine is ok ish, the fuel won't ignite once the mix gets to a sufficient sparcity of petrol so diluting it should be ok, however petrol in a diesel causes problems because diesel has more lubricative properties (a bit like to stroke) than petrol hence the damage to the fuel pump and it also attacks and rubber seals in the system causing them to fail. however I don't personally wish to test the above out. IanW ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 20:13:23 2008 Received: (qmail 15486 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 18:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 18:13:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367DDC819A; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:34:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:34:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3329C59C4 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:29:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.178.18]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8700D0ZXK74EC2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:28:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:28:58 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] 16 bit tiff To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-id: <48E77DAA.1060907@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 20:13:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e7b243157391073733319 I had been using Raw Shooter Essentials for a while but am now trying out Raw Therapee. Is there any benefit to saving a processed ORF as a 16 bit tiff instead of 8 bit? I don't see it, but 16 bit is twice the file size, 47 meg versus 23.5 . ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 20:27:07 2008 Received: (qmail 8772 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 18:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 18:27:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467A6A3A53; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:28:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:28:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from extsmtp4.localnet.com (extsmtp4.localnet.com [207.251.201.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id BDFDEC8901 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 17:19:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22738 invoked by uid 1011); 4 Oct 2008 15:19:06 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by bombastic (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. Clear:RC:0(10.30.204.254):SA:0(3.4/4.8):. Processed in 0.162993 secs); 04 Oct 2008 15:19:06 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 required=4.8 X-Spam-Level: +++ Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp4.localnet.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 15:19:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 24595 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2008 15:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-7-10.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.7.10]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp5.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Oct 2008 15:19:06 -0000 From: Doug To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Petrol in a diesel was off camera flash? Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:35:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <000201c925a1$89ad2d00$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> <200810032323.20095.doug9345@localnet.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200810041135.40755.doug9345@localnet.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: doug9345@localnet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 20:27:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e7b57b51811234514069 On Saturday, October 04, 2008 08:58, Chris Barker wrote: > I got my car back at midday. The chap who owns the local garage came > in and worked all morning to sort out my cock-up. I'm glad it worked out for you. It's one of those "I really wish I hadn't done that" moments that we all have. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 21:32:33 2008 Received: (qmail 22240 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 19:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 19:32:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCC7FE8DE; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:39:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:39:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562FDC7602 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:28:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555DC461568 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:43:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3B7C0AD8-37EB-4C0F-9DD4-ADD495C1F038@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48E75450.1070303@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Petrol in a diesel was off camera flash? Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:28:34 +0100 References: <000201c925a1$89ad2d00$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> <200810032323.20095.doug9345@localnet.com> <48E75450.1070303@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 21:32:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e7c4d1268551993019900 Yes, Ian. Apart from the strain it would put on the cylinders internally, the BMW service chaps told me that the fuel provides lubrication for a number of components. But my gamble paid off and my little car is OK. However, it does smell rather of fuel inside as the tanks were full and they overflowed when the chap took the covers off to drain the tanks. Chris On 4 Oct 2008, at 12:32, swisspace wrote: > If I remember correctly diesel in a petrol engine is ok ish, the fuel > won't ignite once the mix gets to a sufficient sparcity of petrol so > diluting it should be ok, however petrol in a diesel causes problems > because diesel has more lubricative properties (a bit like to stroke) > than petrol hence the damage to the fuel pump and it also attacks and > rubber seals in the system causing them to fail. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 4 22:42:07 2008 Received: (qmail 16094 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 20:42:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 20:42:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C403DC79A8; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:05:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:05:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7277DDFD00 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:19:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 101.red-81-39-71.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.71.101]:59984 helo=[192.168.2.101]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KmBjD-0008BD-6B (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:19:44 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48E77DAA.1060907@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:19:42 +0200 References: <48E77DAA.1060907@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 4 22:42:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e7d51f178221234514069 More flexibility in any subsequent adjustments you may wish to make. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 4, 2008, at 4:28 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > > I had been using Raw Shooter Essentials for a while but am now trying > out Raw Therapee. Is there any benefit to saving a processed ORF as a > 16 bit tiff instead of 8 bit? I don't see it, but 16 bit is twice the > file size, 47 meg versus 23.5 . > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 00:36:26 2008 Received: (qmail 25762 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 22:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 22:36:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274CE101B5E; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:48:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:48:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B55389C27 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:09:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.178.18]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8800D397RZEGA0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:09:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:09:38 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: New Zuiko zoom To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48E7B162.8040100@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 00:36:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e7efea41371529615919 Olympus America shows it as available but backordered. John On 10/3/2008 10:43:07 AM, Timpe, Jim (jim.timpe@fluke.com) wrote: > And they show it as in stock and delivery ready? > I looked some more after tossing the question out, and found a > distributor saying it is expected to be released around 10/24. > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of iwert bernakiewicz > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:41 AM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: New Zuiko zoom > > > > It is, selling for 519 euro minus 50 euro cashback here... Iwert > > 2008/10/3 Timpe, Jim <> > > > > > Wasn't the 9-18mm supposed to be on the market by now? > > > > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 00:41:51 2008 Received: (qmail 13657 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 22:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 22:41:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9FBCF16B; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:53:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:53:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662B610145D for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:38:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 101.red-81-39-71.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.71.101]:60115 helo=[192.168.2.101]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KmC17-0007MW-8g (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:38:14 +0000 Message-Id: <2CDBCC17-8B31-46DA-8612-BDC6074F55F2@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Picture a Day discussion group , Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 3/10/2008: an afternoon snack Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:38:11 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 00:41:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e7f12f52691023412894 Yesterday we were going out to eat, and since Spanish restaurants open late, we had a snack around 7:30 pm, a couple of hours before going out, so that my sister and brother-in-law, visiting from Poland, would not get too hungry (since they are not adapted to Spanish eating times): http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#386320278_cJmwg-O-LB Bon appetit! Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 01:22:05 2008 Received: (qmail 3076 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 23:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 23:22:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457F6D99B5; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 00:31:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:31:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-3.orange.nl (smtp-3.orange.nl [193.252.22.243]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2320D894E7 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:55:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6207.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0EF711C00083 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:55:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6207.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C710C1C00082 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:55:24 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081004175524815.C710C1C00082@mwinf6207.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] [OT] Life FINALLY explained!!!!!!! Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:55:21 +0200 Message-ID: <8C36F3BF3DA4473EB67200C9781968C5@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 01:22:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e7fa9d46189117217770 Hi Folks, It's not my habbit of forwarding mails, but this one made me laugh. I do forward this one to you in the hope it will make some of you laught too. Wiliam ----- On the first day, God created the dog and said: 'Sit all day by the door of your house and bark at anyone who comes in or walks past. For this, I will give you a life span of twenty years.' The dog said: 'That's a long time to be barking. How about only ten years and I'll give you back the other ten?' So God agreed. On the second day, God created the monkey and said: 'Entertain people, do tricks, and make them laugh. For this, I'll give you a twenty-year life span.' The monkey said: 'Monkey tricks for twenty years? That's a pretty long time to perform. How about I give you back ten like the Dog did?' And God agreed. On the third day, God created the cow and said: 'You must go into the field with the farmer all day long and suffer under the sun, have calves and give milk to support the farmer's family. For this, I will give you a life span of sixty years.' The cow said: 'That's kind of a tough life you want me to live for sixty years. How about twenty and I'll give back the other forty?' And God agreed again. On the fourth day, God created man and said: 'Eat, sleep, play, marry and enjoy your life. For this, I'll give you twenty years.' But man said: 'Only twenty years? Could you possibly give me my twenty, the forty the cow gave back, the ten the monkey gave back, and the ten the dog gave back; that makes eighty, okay?' 'Okay,' said God, 'You asked for it.' So that is why for our first twenty years we eat, sleep, play and enjoy ourselves. For the next forty years we slave in the sun to support our family. For the next ten years we do monkey tricks to entertain the grandchildren. And for the last ten years we sit on the front porch and bark at everyone. Life has now been explained to you. There is no need to thank me for this valuable information. I'm doing it as a public service. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 01:51:57 2008 Received: (qmail 31668 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2008 23:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 23:51:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60951CA563; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 00:25:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:25:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDADD85F5 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 23:57:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18302 invoked by uid 502); 4 Oct 2008 21:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.206.155) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Oct 2008 21:57:29 -0000 Message-ID: <48E7E6BD.3040909@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:57:17 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC References: <48E4FFED.7040601@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48E4FFED.7040601@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 01:51:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e8019d174751869477228 John Hermanson wrote: > First time I've heard of any 50 1.4 being radioactive. The 55 1.2 has been discussed in detail here. > I believe it was AG who said that a very few, early 50/1.4s had radioactive element(s). As I recall, he said they had rather good overall performance, even at wider apertures. Then he next, non-radioactive element version had similar central sharpness, but poorer outer regions. And the next version had better overall balance of sharpness across the frame, but lost some in the center. A Dimly Recalling Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 02:21:40 2008 Received: (qmail 14873 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 00:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 00:21:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC55FFBDF; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 01:27:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:27:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DDEA5D01 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 00:13:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27019 invoked by uid 502); 4 Oct 2008 22:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.196.200) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Oct 2008 22:12:59 -0000 Message-ID: <48E7EA69.2080004@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:12:57 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC References: <8CAF3063DE72547-690-93E@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CAF3063DE72547-690-93E@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 02:21:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e80894260841591313764 usher99@aol.com wrote: > .... My 2nd snipe was for a Tam 80-200 ... It had zoom creep. Anyway I could not abide the lens in that condition though it was probably fine for most purposes---sent it to Tamron. > The glass is now pristine but the zoom creep in less than 2 months of light service I sent it back---they said it is not a macro lens and that is "normal." Huh?? > I think they mean "normal" in the sense of "That's what they are all like.", as opposed to "Functioning as you would wish it to.". I have several Tamron zooms, from ancient to current in design and manufacture, both push-pull and two touch. The only one without at least some creep is the 35-80/2.8-3.8. In addition to being relatively small and light, it has a more complex than usual internal zoom mechanism to limit macro to the longer focal ranges. I figure it's that extra stuff that keeps it from creeping. Other makers have sometimes admitted the impossibility of preventing zoom creep on heavy lenses over all temperatures and as the lens ages. My Tokina 150-500 and Kiron 28-210 have adjustable friction settings. The knob on the Kiron seems to be broken/stuck, but there is no way I'm going to try to 'fix' it, as it's at the perfect setting. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 02:31:41 2008 Received: (qmail 10775 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 00:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 00:31:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8431B24E75; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:50:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:50:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB18FDFD2B for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:50:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 11822 invoked by uid 502); 4 Oct 2008 19:50:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.187.172) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Oct 2008 19:50:00 -0000 Message-ID: <48E7C8DD.3090102@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:49:49 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff References: <48E77DAA.1060907@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48E77DAA.1060907@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 02:31:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e80aed89801585427447 John Hermanson wrote: > I had been using Raw Shooter Essentials for a while but am now trying out Raw Therapee. Is there any benefit to saving a processed ORF as a 16 bit tiff instead of 8 bit? I don't see it, but 16 bit is twice the file size, 47 meg versus 23.5. > > The sensor is an analog device, as are the first part of the sensor electronics. The analog to digital converter divides up the analog voltages into discrete digital steps. Most DSLRs use 12 bit A/D converters. some high end ones, including the E-1 and, I assume, E-3, are 14 bit. Extending dynamic range, as some newer sensor stems are now doing, requires more bits if midrange tonal detail is not to be compromised. That translates to 4096 separate brightness step for each color at 12 bits and 16384 for 14 bit. If you convert that to an 8 bit TIFF, the luminance range is downsampled to 256 steps, throwing away much of the image data you bought the camera for. 16 bit's 65536 step range can accommodate all that comes out of the camera, without loss. If an image is simply to be converted and viewed as a JPEG (compressed 8 bit) or printed on an 8 bit printer, 8 bit files are fine. As soon as one starts manipulating the file, even with simple tools like Levels, Contrast, etc. the software needs to move values around in the histogram. With only 256 levels to work with, that can lead to uneven stepping effects, even to holes in the histogram (yup, I've seen 'em), where working in 16 bit gives the algorithms plenty of steps for subtle interpolation. In practice, some images seem to come through considerable manipulation in 8 bit just fine, while others start to look "funny" in ways that I find hard to describe. Even starting with an 8 bit image, as in images from digicams with 8 bit JPEG output only or those downloaded from the web, conversion to 16 bit before processing can make a difference. How do I know? I "always" convert 8 to 16 bit in PS as a first step in editing images from my F30 or Moosterizing images from others. Except sometimes I forget that first step - and start wondering why things aren't working quite as I expect. A quick glance at the header leads to a "DOH" moment and starting over. Why not 12 and 14 bit versions of TIFF? While certainly possible, such files would be messier to process. Going from 8 to 16 bit simply uses two bytes per color per pixel instead of one, whereas intermediate numbers of bits would require splitting bytes between channels and/or pixels. Given the way most programming languages/systems and file systems work, that requires custom programming. Back in the dark ages, I encoded and decoded 8 different yes/no bits of data into single bytes for storage. With the low and dropping cost of storage, I don't see anybody going to that kind of trouble today. There is another reason to use 16 bits to work on 12-14 bit source data relating to the limited number of digital steps available to the lower values from a linearly converted analog image, but I don't have the time or brain power just now to try to explicate it. I seem to recall that there's a good explanation on Luminous-Landscape. Bottom line - 8 bit throws away data you may or may not want later. If you don't care, no problem. If you plan to retain the original ORFs and software to convert them again later, if needed, that will work short term. Long term, storage in a universal format like TIFF is a better solution. Moose Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 02:33:34 2008 Received: (qmail 19659 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 00:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 00:33:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854C5DEB8A; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 01:31:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:31:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA50DEEBF for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:22:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31545 invoked by uid 502); 4 Oct 2008 20:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.164.185) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Oct 2008 20:22:13 -0000 Message-ID: <48E7D074.9040804@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:22:12 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: SanDisk rebates References: <50FA0B5FDBB44D72B6A33E462B04D963@hatty> In-Reply-To: <50FA0B5FDBB44D72B6A33E462B04D963@hatty> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 02:33:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e80b5e257171023412894 Lawrence Plummer wrote: > It's mind-boggling. I just received today my two 8GB Extreme III CF cards, for a total of $19.90 (after the rebate). After my order, I discovered that I could have ordered three cards for a total equal to a few cents less than the order that I made! > It doesn't seem to make much sense unless they are getting significant contributions from the retailers and VISA. I bought three 8GB Extreme III SDHC cards complete with USB readers (which it turned out I actually needed) on a similar rebate. Unlike Mike, I had no hassles with the rebate, although as usual, it takes several weeks to receive it. Net cost was about $13 per card and reader. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 02:44:40 2008 Received: (qmail 16258 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 00:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 00:44:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905FBC2CE1; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 01:14:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:14:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl39.gs02.gridserver.com (cl39.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DB5A35C8 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:24:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50360 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl39.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KmDfo-0003sU-Lt for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:24:20 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:24:18 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] 16 bit tiff Thread-Index: AckmXy1Ea/5o+pJSEd2ijgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <48E77DAA.1060907@verizon.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 02:44:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e80df843785368819438 The advantage of 16 bit comes from when you do a lot of photoshop work on it. Your screen can only show an 8 bit image, that's why you don't see a difference on your freshly converted RAW files. If you increse contrast a lot or do strong color correcting, you'll get posterization that you CAN see both on screen and in prints if you use 8 bit files. So..if you get a near-perfect file from your RAW converter, then 8bit is fine. If you like to do a lot of tonal correction in Photoshop, use 16bit. You'll also want 16 bit if you use Photoshop to convert color photos to black & white. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 10/4/08 10:28 AM, "John Hermanson" wrote: > > I had been using Raw Shooter Essentials for a while but am now trying > out Raw Therapee. Is there any benefit to saving a processed ORF as a > 16 bit tiff instead of 8 bit? I don't see it, but 16 bit is twice the > file size, 47 meg versus 23.5 . > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 02:49:16 2008 Received: (qmail 24997 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 00:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 00:49:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A7BE0022; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 02:12:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:12:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725E2D85E3 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 23:57:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.c27.495b1d0d (37556) for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 17:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB035-92b448e7e6c3262; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:57:23 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-DY07 (webmail-dy07.sim.aol.com [205.188.185.88]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA026-5bb748e7e6bf81; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:57:19 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Any info on Angenieux 35-70/2.5-3.3 in OM mount??? Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:57:19 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 208.27.111.119 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 208.27.111.119 by WEBMAIL-DY07.sysops.aol.com (205.188.185.88) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:57:19 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF4834E9ADE0C-10E0-4ED@WEBMAIL-DY07.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 02:49:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e80f0c285351946193717 Thanks John and Bill, Nothing like first hand experience with the make/lens. Appreciate the comments. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 03:38:11 2008 Received: (qmail 20171 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 01:38:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 01:38:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40DFD1AA5; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 02:08:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:08:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D912A5D80 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:08:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21432 invoked by uid 518); 4 Oct 2008 19:08:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20081004190812.21431.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:08:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 98.160.141.28 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 03:38:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e81a8359262070262475 A 16 bit file doesn't have any more dynamic range than an 8 bit. The difference is in the subtle shades in between and the effect of integer multiplication and division on large vs small numbers when editing. Your monitor can't display the subtleties which is why you can't see it. 16 bit precision is preferred if you're going to be doing editing of any sort that means you're going to alter the brightness of pixels... which means brightness, contrast, saturation, etc... including sharpening if we want to be complete. Editing pixel brightness in 16 bits helps avoid "holes" that might appear in your histogram when 8 bit values are divided down and rounded off to integers. But, if the image has been fully processed with regards to changes in pixel brightness there's no reason to maintain it even as an 8 bit TIFF vs 16 bit TIFF. A high quality JPEG will give you all that your monitor can display and even more than what can be printed. But given the cost of maintaining a 16 bit TIFF I ignore that for sharpening and just sharpen from a JPEG that has previously been sized and cropped for a particular print size. Sharpening should not be done until after an image is sized and cropped. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: John Hermanson > Subject: [OM] 16 bit tiff > Sent: Oct 04 '08 14:28 > > > I had been using Raw Shooter Essentials for a while but am now trying > out Raw Therapee.  Is there any benefit to saving a processed ORF as a > 16 bit tiff instead of 8 bit?  I don't see it, but 16 bit is twice the > file size, 47 meg versus 23.5 . > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson  |   CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com  |  omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 04:08:56 2008 Received: (qmail 7236 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 02:08:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 02:08:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BB3D9BA7; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 00:32:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:32:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2322AE1BA2 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 23:40:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 10312 invoked by uid 502); 4 Oct 2008 21:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.1.88) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Oct 2008 21:40:33 -0000 Message-ID: <48E7E2CF.3090306@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:40:31 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Today's What The Duck References: <20081001150152.23358.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 04:08:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e821b869421234514069 Ken Norton wrote: > And THEN the women in our lives pull the knife out and reinsert it with more deadly force by saying "why can't you take nice pictures like this with that $10,000 DSLR stuff? All you take are pictures of dead trees and ugly > rocks." > > They just don't understand. > "our"? "They"? The woman in my life doesn't do that at all. In fact, she's quite a fancier of such images. She takes quite a few herself, most often by saying something like "Look at that, Moosie, isn't it pretty?", thus using camera automation far beyond anything manufacturers alone have created. When I'm not around, though, she takes them herself. Al "Make no assumptions about me." Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 04:50:25 2008 Received: (qmail 1671 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 02:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 02:50:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C1123D8F; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 02:38:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:38:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A59024821 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:14:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26910 invoked by uid 502); 4 Oct 2008 20:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.168.93) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Oct 2008 20:13:57 -0000 Message-ID: <48E7CE84.5070108@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:13:56 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: re-worked cliffs near Poole References: <7BA21767-0C9D-4E7E-B203-8D9586A2E045@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <7BA21767-0C9D-4E7E-B203-8D9586A2E045@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 04:50:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e82b71274131023412894 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > After I posted my PAWs from last week, one of my images (the one that most of us, including myself, thought to be the best of the set) was given the rare honour of being "moosterized" by Moose, a member of the Olympus list who has a penchant for suggesting improvements to others' pictures by posting a "before and after" version on his web site. This is the original image, as I posted it: > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/uploads/2008/39alt12.jpg > Thanks for your kind characterization of my compulsive behavior. :-) > Moose, as he often does, suggested punching up the contrast and saturation significantly. Here is his "before and after" version: > http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/Wajsman/39alt12.htm > I've added your new version to the roll-over, so all three may be seen together. Interestingly (possibly), I almost never adjust saturation or increase overall contrast and the only such adjustment I made here was to the red sail. LCE and Curves adjustments often give the impression/effect of increased saturation and global contrast. > I tend to have a preference for muted colours and lower contrast, but in this case I have to agree that his version represents an improvement, High praise indeed! I certainly like the deeper, greener grass. The blue ocean seems a bit overdone to me, perhaps too cyan? The distant land behind the rocks has become even bluer and less clear. You've managed to bring up the red of the sails while retaining a more natural look than I did. I still like the stronger small scale contrast/tonal graduation that enhances the cliff detail, but something less than mine and more than yours in that area might be best yet. > and so this morning I went back to the original image and played with adjustments in Lightroom until I got to something that went some of the way, but not all the way, in the direction suggested by Moose. The result is here: > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#386019421_EnS6t-O-LB > > It is a nice example of how feedback on these lists can happen across many time zones and great distances. A nice illustration of the positive impact of the internet and digital photography. > Indeed! I have learned so much more from what others present on the web than I ever would have with only books and my own images to learn from. It's a great blessing to be able to share with people all over the world. A local camera club doesn't come close in breadth and depth of alternate images. Thanks, Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 04:54:19 2008 Received: (qmail 26818 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 02:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 02:54:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24783C4391; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 04:21:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 04:21:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl39.gs02.gridserver.com (cl39.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA22C40B8 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 04:17:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50151 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl39.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KmJBX-0003qG-6k for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:17:27 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:17:25 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Today's What The Duck From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Today's What The Duck Thread-Index: AckmkIG0wGit+5KDEd2TKQAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <48E7E2CF.3090306@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 04:54:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e82c5b103501702588592 My girlfriend takes such photos herself too. And, she uses an OM-4T ! http://www.catrinakleven.com Most taken with OM, a few with my Mamiya 645. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 10/4/08 5:40 PM, "Moose" wrote: > Ken Norton wrote: >> And THEN the women in our lives pull the knife out and reinsert it with more >> deadly force by saying "why can't you take nice pictures like this with that >> $10,000 DSLR stuff? All you take are pictures of dead trees and ugly >> rocks." >> >> They just don't understand. >> > "our"? "They"? > > The woman in my life doesn't do that at all. In fact, she's quite a > fancier of such images. She takes quite a few herself, most often by > saying something like "Look at that, Moosie, isn't it pretty?", thus > using camera automation far beyond anything manufacturers alone have > created. When I'm not around, though, she takes them herself. > > Al "Make no assumptions about me." Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 05:05:00 2008 Received: (qmail 15138 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 03:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 03:04:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3032BC3F5E; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:27:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 03:27:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89D6CC421 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 00:41:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12162 invoked by uid 502); 4 Oct 2008 22:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.198.132) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Oct 2008 22:41:00 -0000 Message-ID: <48E7F0FA.1020000@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:40:58 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A film better than digital References: <48E302C9.24126.17A5F710@tom.abacurial.com> <48E56940.70406@gmail.com> <200810022233.08812.doug9345@localnet.com> In-Reply-To: <200810022233.08812.doug9345@localnet.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 05:05:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e82edc33282336821329 Doug wrote: > On Thursday, October 02, 2008 20:37, Moose wrote: > >> Wayne Harridge wrote: >> >>> Interesting but... >>> >>> ...if you think about some of the greatest photographs: >>> >>> Which ones would be significantly improved by having double the film >>> resolution ? >>> >> With just a few words, you have, at least to me, raised a host of >> complex issues, some of which are probably unresolvable. >> > > Moose I read what you wrote and I think you outline many of the issues very well. > Thanks! > I think another question is which good photograph would become great if it was taken on film with double the film resolution. That seems to me to be a valid question. I suspect the answer is fairly few. The problem is at least in part the narrow definition of "better" film. A lot of those good, old images were limited as much by lens limitations and DOF as by film resolution alone. If one broadens the scope of film improvement to include greater speed with less grain, my personal opinion is that many good old images might have been better, at least technically. Remember that lens coatings didn't come in until WWII; and they improved a great deal over subsequent years. The glasses available also improved. Pre-war lenses generally had issues with focus/sharpness at wider apertures and with flare/reflections reducing contrast. Uncoated lenses lost significant effective speed to transmission losses, so the need to minimize the number of air to glass transitions with fewer elements and more cemented elements was great. That also meant more abberations, which affect sharpness. Better film would have allowed smaller apertures ad higher shutter speeds. > Or possibly which potentially great photograph wasn't taken because the photographer understood that it was beyond his technical limits do to film resolution. I don't have an answer to either question. > Here, I agree strongly. That issue has really come home to me as I use both film and digital cameras. Some shots that I could make with the 5D aren't possible with the OM-1. Again, though, it's generally a matter of noise/ISO/IS more than resolution per se. > I do think where improving photography technology does produce great images is were it puts cameras in places and peoples hands where they wouldn't have been before. > I tend to agree. To be fair, though, AG's comments about great vs. mediocre seemed to me to be more on the basis of artistic merit than the simple chance to get a shot. Art vs. journalism, in a sense. "Honestly, we are a sad, sad, sad people if we think that technology will magically transform the mediocre into anything other than technically perfect mediocre." One might presume that his model presupposes cameras in the hand of the competent in any case. > A couple of examples I can think of are some of the various war time photos, almost all taken with 35mm cameras and there are or will be great photographs taken with a cell phone camera. It won't be great because of it's technical qualities, but because it captures something that has great emotional impact and it will spread around the globe like wildfire. > Yup. Some cell-phone cameras already surpass early digicams in some aspects of IQ. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 05:22:34 2008 Received: (qmail 7598 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 03:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 03:22:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513BDC6018; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 04:05:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 04:05:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5F6D7B10 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 23:49:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14154 invoked by uid 502); 4 Oct 2008 21:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.1.88) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Oct 2008 21:49:07 -0000 Message-ID: <48E7E4D1.1050809@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:49:05 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A film better than digital References: <20081001145257.15019.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <14CA441F-B868-4C36-BB46-D6D6AFF2AA5B@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <14CA441F-B868-4C36-BB46-D6D6AFF2AA5B@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 05:22:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e832fa239951073733319 Andrew Fildes wrote: > But only if you glue a lens hood on to it so you look like a pro. > I don't know if that is necessary. Carol appreciates the results from my cameras, but has never before commented on their appearance. The Diana is the first one that has led to a spontaneous response upon first sight "That one's cute!" Moose > > On 02/10/2008, at 12:52 AM, wrote: > > >> You should just stick with a Diana. Your brides will appreciate the artistic nature of the results. :) >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 05:33:18 2008 Received: (qmail 3858 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 03:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 03:33:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF3FA63B7; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 02:48:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:48:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 9566B1010FD for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 23:23:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28161 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2008 21:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.156.139) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 21:23:14 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <000201c925a1$89ad2d00$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> <200810032323.20095.doug9345@localnet.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Petrol in a diesel was off camera flash? Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:23:31 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 05:33:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e8357e107057350615338 And let that be a lesson to you young fellow. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/10/2008, at 10:58 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > > I have been very lucky and I won't bother the List with my woes for a > moment longer ... ;-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 05:42:32 2008 Received: (qmail 28580 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 03:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 03:42:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5BED0326; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 05:33:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 05:33:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C52024BB1 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:13:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K8800B9SRF19B51@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:13:49 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-78-86.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.78.86]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:50:51 -0300 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:13:52 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <7355A75929B64E029851CCF8133CE372@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtMUAAOx50gYik5W/2dsb2JhbACBa4gbrmsDgWU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,362,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="325664533" References: <48E77DAA.1060907@verizon.net> <48E7C8DD.3090102@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 05:42:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e837a8241511946193717 As Agent Gibbs has a habit of saying "English please" to Abbs and Tim the Geek, what would be the bottom line consequence of having an 11 x 14, a 16 x 20, or a way bigger print made from an 8 bit file as compared to that from a 16 bit file? Back in the late 1960s I saw a huge .......... better than 72"' on the long side ............ black and white print made from a 35mm negative out of an M3 that look pretty damm good. In something of the same vein what would be the visual comparison between making that same print from an 8 bit or a 16 bit file? This curious mind , and maybe those of others, want to know :-) jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 4:49 PM Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff > John Hermanson wrote: >> I had been using Raw Shooter Essentials for a while but am now trying out >> Raw Therapee. Is there any benefit to saving a processed ORF as a 16 bit >> tiff instead of 8 bit? I don't see it, but 16 bit is twice the file >> size, 47 meg versus 23.5. >> >> > The sensor is an analog device, as are the first part of the sensor > electronics. > > The analog to digital converter divides up the analog voltages into > discrete digital steps. > > Most DSLRs use 12 bit A/D converters. some high end ones, including the > E-1 and, I assume, E-3, are 14 bit. Extending dynamic range, as some > newer sensor stems are now doing, requires more bits if midrange tonal > detail is not to be compromised. > > That translates to 4096 separate brightness step for each color at 12 > bits and 16384 for 14 bit. > > If you convert that to an 8 bit TIFF, the luminance range is downsampled > to 256 steps, throwing away much of the image data you bought the camera > for. 16 bit's 65536 step range can accommodate all that comes out of > the camera, without loss. > > If an image is simply to be converted and viewed as a JPEG (compressed 8 > bit) or printed on an 8 bit printer, 8 bit files are fine. > > As soon as one starts manipulating the file, even with simple tools like > Levels, Contrast, etc. the software needs to move values around in the > histogram. With only 256 levels to work with, that can lead to uneven > stepping effects, even to holes in the histogram (yup, I've seen 'em), > where working in 16 bit gives the algorithms plenty of steps for subtle > interpolation. > > In practice, some images seem to come through considerable manipulation > in 8 bit just fine, while others start to look "funny" in ways that I > find hard to describe. Even starting with an 8 bit image, as in images > from digicams with 8 bit JPEG output only or those downloaded from the > web, conversion to 16 bit before processing can make a difference. > > How do I know? I "always" convert 8 to 16 bit in PS as a first step in > editing images from my F30 or Moosterizing images from others. Except > sometimes I forget that first step - and start wondering why things > aren't working quite as I expect. A quick glance at the header leads to > a "DOH" moment and starting over. > > Why not 12 and 14 bit versions of TIFF? While certainly possible, such > files would be messier to process. Going from 8 to 16 bit simply uses > two bytes per color per pixel instead of one, whereas intermediate > numbers of bits would require splitting bytes between channels and/or > pixels. Given the way most programming languages/systems and file > systems work, that requires custom programming. Back in the dark ages, I > encoded and decoded 8 different yes/no bits of data into single bytes > for storage. With the low and dropping cost of storage, I don't see > anybody going to that kind of trouble today. > > There is another reason to use 16 bits to work on 12-14 bit source data > relating to the limited number of digital steps available to the lower > values from a linearly converted analog image, but I don't have the time > or brain power just now to try to explicate it. I seem to recall that > there's a good explanation on Luminous-Landscape. > > Bottom line - 8 bit throws away data you may or may not want later. If > you don't care, no problem. If you plan to retain the original ORFs and > software to convert them again later, if needed, that will work short > term. Long term, storage in a universal format like TIFF is a better > solution. > > Moose > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 05:44:24 2008 Received: (qmail 13205 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 03:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 03:44:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838A4C9DA4; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 02:37:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:37:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B5625E66 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 00:15:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27965 invoked by uid 502); 4 Oct 2008 22:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.196.200) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Oct 2008 22:14:59 -0000 Message-ID: <48E7EAE1.70309@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:14:57 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff References: <48E77DAA.1060907@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 05:44:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e83818213385368819438 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > More flexibility in any subsequent adjustments you may wish to make. > Now that's succinct! 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Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" To: "Picture a Day discussion group" ; "Leica Users Group" ; ; Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 3/10/2008: an afternoon snack > > Yesterday we were going out to eat, and since Spanish restaurants open > late, we had a snack around 7:30 pm, a couple of hours before going > out, so that my sister and brother-in-law, visiting from Poland, would > not get too hungry (since they are not adapted to Spanish eating times): > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#386320278_cJmwg-O-LB =========== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 06:38:24 2008 Received: (qmail 18239 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 04:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 04:38:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1B8C3546; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 06:35:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 06:35:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6B3D214B for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 05:48:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so4158027gxk.17 for ; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:48:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=emqveUdfIeWzRFPuJC6t2vC3k35xMQbVX71+ybZe3PQ=; b=i5hz21/tOO+art4siIPDhaihijer43Hl5IWyDHOkyORtKIUnDYfoCfIX0YRhfZ1fRV fhpAyGRDK6azGYvuDwuOVYjtn9Yd2Q860ZW4zQm1GQ+j9TvUL8gZvogF6S2ATTlpRq57 y5IkqAzI9V9EislISt4h9+N5a7fSMCO623Ejc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=H/aFt6qInIba8cfpbUhuPcs/oeYHNMkXXsGWYHXkr7ihYVOX0LlZXypzeYkGn2t2N3 uCY0Nr9ObFre23AcXsv66J/FpC4osaV8FbEb8rsu8B47d8DUDnbKw+O/g+yumJ7bYlxc RKBSXgCgYuPftksv5mM+eYh9n27Po/7ssc9N8= Received: by 10.90.104.20 with SMTP id b20mr3680072agc.63.1223178505125; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:48:24 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC In-Reply-To: <48E7E6BD.3040909@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48E4FFED.7040601@verizon.net> <48E7E6BD.3040909@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 208235291596597e X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 06:38:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e844c0235801234514069 >I believe it was AG who said that a very few, early 50/1.4s had radioactive element(s). The accuracy of that claim is in question. A fellow listmember, with access to a Geiger counter, confirmed that his samples of the 50/1.4 and 100/2.8 didn't glow in the dark. We compared serial numbers and other characteristics and our specimens were pretty close. The 50/1.4, especially the early ones, were incredibly sharp in the central area. The biggest problem I had with it was the complete lack of flat-fieldness. At minimum focus the plane of focus curved by almost 5mm. Early Zuikos are quite warm. Personally, I prefer the older ones to the later MC, blacknosed variety. The lone exception is the 24/2.8 of which I'm on my second one. Yes, I actually wore a lens out. ;) The flare-resistance of the early wide-angles was pretty poor. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 06:44:44 2008 Received: (qmail 18067 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 04:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 04:44:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BF9C44BB; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 06:41:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 06:41:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B29BC2F4C for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 06:30:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 32184 invoked by uid 518); 5 Oct 2008 04:30:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20081005043006.32183.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 04:30:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 98.160.141.28 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 06:44:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e8463c25865368819438 One first needs to differentiate based on an 8 bit file of what type? A TIFF or a JPEG? The reason is that there are two things in question here. One is resolution and the other is color detail (meaning subtle differences in shade). An 8 bit TIFF file, whether uncompressed or compressed contains 8 bits of color info for every pixel that was represented in the original raw file. And 8 bits of color info for each RGB pixel is more color detail than can be printed by any existing print process on any existing paper. So, the short answer for a TIFF file is that there is no difference at all between an 8 bit and 16 bit file used to make a print. That assumes, however, that any editing of pixel brightness was done in 16 bit form before conversion to 8 bit. But, for editing at the pixel brightness level, there is a definite difference between 8 and 16 bit. Keep your intermediate editing files in 16 bit form and your final output files in 8 bit form. Now the answer for a JPEG... it depends. It depends on the degree of compression. JPEG compression is what's called "lossy" compression. "Lossy" means that the compression algorithm is allowed to discard some information based on the level of compression... what me might call fidelity or the level of correctness. I'll make up a hypothetical case here. Let's say that there is a string of 567 blue pixels with brightness 254 followed by one blue pixel with brightness 253 followed by another 338 blue pixels of brightness value 254. Do you think you can spot the difference if the single pixel of 253 is replaced with another one with value 254? At a very high correctness level the 253 might be retained. At a lower level it might be discarded and replaced with 254 meaning that the entire string of blue pixels can now be recorded more simply as a contiguous string of 906 blue pixels with value 254. That's not really the way that JPEG compression works but the analogy should suffice. Lossy compression algorithms discard information to simplify and reduce the amount of data required to reproduce the image. At low fidelity levels you can clearly see the difference from an uncompressed version. At high fidelity levels you may not be able to tell the difference at all even though the file is much smaller. So the answer for the 8 bit JPEG is the same as for the 8 bit TIFF provided that the fidelity level is sufficiently high that you can't see the difference. But there is no universal fidelity level. Images with more detail in them to begin with will require a higher fidelity level than a photo of blue sky and clouds. Finally, regardless of the camera used to record a 35mm image on film, the scanned image probably contains no more than about 6-8 megapixels of useful image data. So a decent quality DSLR of 6-8 megapixels with a good lens (both resolution and contrast) should be able to reproduce that 72" print. The trick is that there really isn't a whole lot of detail in the 72" print. It looks pretty good because you stand far away to view it. Come close and you'll see the pixellation or the grain. Leica lenses are good but they are not magic. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: John Hudson > Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff > Sent: Oct 05 '08 01:13 > > > As Agent Gibbs has a habit of  saying "English please" to Abbs and Tim the > Geek, what would be the bottom line consequence of having an 11 x 14, a 16 x > 20, or a way bigger  print made from an 8 bit file as compared to that from > a 16 bit file? > > Back in the late 1960s I saw a huge .......... better than 72"' on the long > side ............ black and white print made from a 35mm negative out of an > M3 that look pretty damm good. In something of the same vein what would be > the visual comparison between making that same print from an 8 bit or a 16 > bit file? > > This curious mind , and maybe those of others, want to know :-) > > jh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moose" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 4:49 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff > > > > John Hermanson wrote: > >> I had been using Raw Shooter Essentials for a while but am now trying out > >> Raw Therapee.  Is there any benefit to saving a processed ORF as a 16 bit > >> tiff instead of 8 bit?  I don't see it, but 16 bit is twice the file > >> size, 47 meg versus 23.5. > >> > >> > > The sensor is an analog device, as are the first part of the sensor > > electronics. > > > > The analog to digital converter divides up the analog voltages into > > discrete digital steps. > > > > Most DSLRs use 12 bit A/D converters. some high end ones, including the > > E-1 and, I assume, E-3, are 14 bit. Extending dynamic range, as some > > newer sensor stems are now doing, requires more bits if midrange tonal > > detail is not to be compromised. > > > > That translates to 4096 separate brightness step for each color at 12 > > bits and 16384 for 14 bit. > > > > If you convert that to an 8 bit TIFF, the luminance range is downsampled > > to 256 steps, throwing away much of the image data you bought the camera > > for.  16 bit's  65536 step range can accommodate all that comes out of > > the camera, without loss. > > > > If an image is simply to be converted and viewed as a JPEG (compressed 8 > > bit) or printed on an 8 bit printer, 8 bit files are fine. > > > > As soon as one starts manipulating the file, even with simple tools like > > Levels, Contrast, etc. the software needs to move values around in the > > histogram. With only 256 levels to work with, that can lead to uneven > > stepping effects, even to holes in the histogram (yup, I've seen 'em), > > where working in 16 bit gives the algorithms plenty of steps for subtle > > interpolation. > > > > In practice, some images seem to come through considerable manipulation > > in 8 bit just fine, while others start to look "funny" in ways that I > > find hard to describe. Even starting with an 8 bit image, as in images > > from digicams with 8 bit JPEG output only or those downloaded from the > > web, conversion to 16 bit before processing can make a difference. > > > > How do I know? I "always" convert 8 to 16 bit in PS as a first step in > > editing images from my F30 or Moosterizing images from others. Except > > sometimes I forget that first step - and start wondering why things > > aren't working quite as I expect. A quick glance at the header leads to > > a "DOH" moment and starting over. > > > > Why not 12 and 14 bit versions of TIFF? While certainly possible, such > > files would be messier to process. Going from 8 to 16 bit simply uses > > two bytes per color per pixel instead of one, whereas intermediate > > numbers of bits would require splitting bytes between channels and/or > > pixels. Given the way most programming languages/systems and file > > systems work, that requires custom programming. Back in the dark ages, I > > encoded and decoded 8 different yes/no bits of data into single bytes > > for storage. With the low and dropping cost of storage, I don't see > > anybody going to that kind of trouble today. > > > > There is another reason to use 16 bits to work on 12-14 bit source data > > relating to the limited number of digital steps available to the lower > > values from a linearly converted analog image, but I don't have the time > > or brain power just now to try to explicate it. I seem to recall that > > there's a good explanation on Luminous-Landscape. > > > > Bottom line - 8 bit throws away data you may or may not want later. If > > you don't care, no problem. If you plan to retain the original ORFs and > > software to convert them again later, if needed, that will work short > > term. Long term, storage in a universal format like TIFF is a better > > solution. > > > > Moose > > > > Moose > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 06:55:00 2008 Received: (qmail 27430 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 04:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 04:55:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC004C27A8; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 06:54:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 06:54:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EE0C27B0 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 06:54:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-105-177-202.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.105.177.202]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m954sZ14007217 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:54:45 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Petrol in a diesel was off camera flash? Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:54:33 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AckmLtrroTEigfUOSk2SFOX0kSFJpQAd1Puw Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 06:55:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e848a43717927319144 > > I have been very lucky and I won't bother the List with my > woes for a > moment longer ... ;-) > Just keep your fingers crossed that the refuelers who fill the aircraft you fly don't make the same mistake ! ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 07:12:44 2008 Received: (qmail 22722 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 05:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 05:12:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FE0C28CA; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 07:12:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 07:12:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFDBC28ED for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 07:12:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-105-177-202.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.105.177.202]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m955CQVM020092 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:12:30 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 3/10/2008: an afternoon snack Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:12:24 +1100 Message-ID: <7CFCC1A96C6E4A5EA7859563443879B7@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <2CDBCC17-8B31-46DA-8612-BDC6074F55F2@frozenlight.eu> Thread-Index: AckmcmUJ+dz4y83OQJ2Z7iabhdDTswANn9SA Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 07:12:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e84ccc91145368819438 > > Yesterday we were going out to eat, and since Spanish > restaurants open > late, we had a snack around 7:30 pm, a couple of hours before going > out, so that my sister and brother-in-law, visiting from > Poland, would > not get too hungry (since they are not adapted to Spanish > eating times): > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#386320278_cJmwg-O-LB > > Bon appetit! > ...and the wine ? ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 17:33:30 2008 Received: (qmail 5027 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 15:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 15:33:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D421C2F1A; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:33:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:33:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7DAC2C6B for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:33:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id P0oj1a0020EZKEL593Yzbp; Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:32:59 +0000 Received: from SpongeBob ([24.5.207.129]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id P3Yr1a00b2o2YFL3M3YzQV; Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:32:59 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qhut4kdXs_IA:10 a=-1r1mxhfN4sA:10 a=MRHPh42y4pWg_6dv-GMA:9 a=wuC3__CFlw_UORFD3NkA:7 a=4Ouy-sTuC64TI3I4CoTWUVXWeEsA:4 a=xwS6Wrq8dvQA:10 From: "Jay Drew" To: "Zuikoholic" Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Life FINALLY explained!!!!!!! Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:32:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c926ff$a2e62ec0$6400a8c0@SpongeBob> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dreaded@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 17:33:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e8de4a40071993019900 > Life has now been explained to you. And here I was thinking that the answer was 42, buried in a 16 bit TIFF that I can't edit with my Photoshop Elements. Jay Hand me my costume Please won't you pass me my mask I have appointments I must keep with my past. Bill Nelson - Beauty Secrets ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 18:01:36 2008 Received: (qmail 20568 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 16:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 16:01:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B37C3419; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:01:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:01:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.188]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B14C358E for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:01:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so2400686fka.1 for ; Sun, 05 Oct 2008 09:01:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=hJKZxV1V4Zvdf6qlx1GyQSNz7UTdWkLGlF5ll3/EkGI=; b=sMvl3FJjx5sQ8o1OMuU3i1qXQDPf8nkDJquHKaMx52mM/DWAo/okIZa8jKmZhV/fmP BQ5Hp81Yw+JF/p5oySEA6ivBEaQXhzrzJwhOFPI6YhIGSlLAlZ4FGdjqELlutsaquy35 ieTt1l8455Qe5ANjdGahFvYZhbwT3yGBhQkbk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=OSBgH4tWsvH891cLoPgrtfmWVHjaK9UeQFUaI1ercRhP5m0XqWvSimsa78qTefdYIb /SwJcR2msFzEniJ1uusPzO+JkQL4RMDd9UIqDzvlL84QqNM4+KCPokV7PA7Wu/rXdrzi RNhVpbyA4ilPeVkyi1mubxA5zaueYUPfbYmTs= Received: by 10.181.12.17 with SMTP id p17mr2746747bki.95.1223222479367; Sun, 05 Oct 2008 09:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.28.8 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:01:19 -0600 From: "Mark Marr-Lyon" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48E4FFED.7040601@verizon.net> <48E7E6BD.3040909@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mark.marrlyon@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 18:01:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e8e4e093603675314703 I have a 50/1.4, serial number 184276, that is most definitely radioactive. At one point, I tested all my early lenses, and I found a couple additional lenses that were very slightly radioactive. They did not have any noticeable yellowing and I think they were about 100 counts per minute above background. This is much less than the radioactive versions of the 50/1.4 and 55/1.2, which measure in the thousands of counts per minute above background and have pronounced yellowing. I don't remember if the 100/2.8 was among those or not. Mark On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > The accuracy of that claim is in question. A fellow listmember, with > access > to a Geiger counter, confirmed that his samples of the 50/1.4 and 100/2.8 > didn't glow in the dark. We compared serial numbers and other > characteristics and our specimens were pretty close. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 22:32:01 2008 Received: (qmail 1830 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 20:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 20:32:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B248C2FA2; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:31:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:31:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD81C2F3E for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:31:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 101.red-81-39-71.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.71.101]:62537 helo=[192.168.2.101]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KmaGY-0005QM-1o (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:31:46 +0000 Message-Id: <5844C3BC-1BA5-4F10-90FC-0D71FF1DB771@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, Picture a Day discussion group Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 40: Alicante snippets again Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:31:44 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 22:32:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e92441291902070262475 After the preceding week's drive to England and back, this week I am back in Alicante, just going about my daily business. I offer you nice views, some Volvo Ocean Race stuff, a puffed-up cat and, as always, señoritas: http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=161 As ever, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 22:54:07 2008 Received: (qmail 402 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 20:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 20:54:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1E1C27F5; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:53:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:53:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EFC1C3517 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:53:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30297 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2008 20:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.191.223) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 20:53:51 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <5844C3BC-1BA5-4F10-90FC-0D71FF1DB771@frozenlight.eu> References: <5844C3BC-1BA5-4F10-90FC-0D71FF1DB771@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <0A94613E-B263-452A-82D8-188CF83730BA@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 40: Alicante snippets again Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:53:50 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 22:54:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e9296f188269117217770 An agglomeration of ugly high rise buildings? It looks more like Hong Kong! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/10/2008, at 7:31 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > this week I am > back in Alicante, just going about my daily business. I offer you nice > views, ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 5 23:29:32 2008 Received: (qmail 3156 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2008 21:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 21:29:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C91AC33C6; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 23:29:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:29:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216DEC2853 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 23:29:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23130 invoked by uid 502); 5 Oct 2008 21:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.191.212) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 Oct 2008 21:29:19 -0000 Message-ID: <48E931A9.7060402@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:29:13 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 40: Alicante snippets again References: <5844C3BC-1BA5-4F10-90FC-0D71FF1DB771@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <5844C3BC-1BA5-4F10-90FC-0D71FF1DB771@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 5 23:29:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e931bc273461470116606 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > After the preceding week's drive to England and back, this week I am back in Alicante, just going about my daily business. I offer you nice views, some Volvo Ocean Race stuff, a puffed-up cat and, as always, señoritas: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=161 > > As ever, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > I'm not a usual 'winner' picker, and I'm sure a few folks may be shocked at my choice of a B&W image, but I calls 'em as I sees 'em - or as they affect me. I find Alt #7 to be the standout this week for me. Too bad Alt#8 couldn't have waited for Halloween. The cat 'fluff', color and pose are perfect. Alt #1 is just scary. Your PAWs had so far given me an impression of Alicante far different than that high-rise ghetto. A very unappealing prospect to me. The Summer temperatures had already decided me, but now I'm even more certain it won't temp me away from my temperate home. :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 02:34:35 2008 Received: (qmail 29413 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 00:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 00:34:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79B2C28D6; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 02:34:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:34:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF516C2C4C for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 02:34:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.c60.2d174f0c (34932) for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA045-887448e95d0a1ca; Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:34:18 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MA07 (webmail-ma07.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.71]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA011-5baa48e95d02c4; Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:34:10 -0400 References: <8CAF54D2D8E90F4-8D4-6F1@WEBMAIL-MA07.sysops.aol.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Fwd: On Topic Images---Visit to Mooseland Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:34:10 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 In-Reply-To: <8CAF54D2D8E90F4-8D4-6F1@WEBMAIL-MA07.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by WEBMAIL-MA07.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.71) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:34:10 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF562626C7071-8D4-D85@WEBMAIL-MA07.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 02:34:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e95d1b288817350615338 After much delay here are a few images from our trip. Zoto seems to be largely behaving the past two weeks, though I have most of the galleries zipped and ready to transfer to Smugmug. Many of the images are on topic as they are with a 4T with Kod 160VC.    Moose's original post is here:  http://lists.tako.de/html/Olympus-OM/2008-07/msg00919.html    Marnie and I had a great time visiting the the list logician and lovely Carol Ann.    http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/albums/16942/    First image is on drive down from Russian River Valley. It was a test shot with the G9 after Marnie took a spill with the G9 flying 10 ft or so. Perhaps one can see why she was not paying attention to where her feet were going.    Here Moose and I are in the shadows with Marnie and Carol Ann in the limelight. Marnie has G9 in hand though she instructed me to have a 2nd OM kit with me which I dutifully lugged. Noticed some scanning artifacts--arrgh-no time to rescan now.  http://www.zoto.com/site/#USR.gordon9213::PAG.detail::d8c3148bf36b9c358af9a5fecc32df90    Marnie took this: Classic canoodling in a classic auto.  http://www.zoto.com/site/#USR.gordon9213::PAG.detail::2eb547dd29601a86b26c4a3dd5b7834b  (my contribution--straightened horizon)    Can not get much more on topic than this. Image of one listee taken by another listee with OM 4t. A contemplative Moose:  =0 A  http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#a68ab2e24b90b0d9f6f661ff76437675    Perhaps he was considering existential matters, subject for his upcoming very nice TOPE shot or where to go to dinner.  I respect his opinion on all the above. He certainly nailed dinner.    http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=MandM/PescaderoCoastalHills&image=IMG_0168crsi.jpg    The green curry was sublime and matched the company and hospitality.  Thanks Moose!    Mike    ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 03:01:38 2008 Received: (qmail 18665 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 01:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 01:01:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588AAC3222; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 03:01:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:01:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C760C2E5E for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 03:01:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K8A003VNLI28JD1@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:01:14 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-78-86.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.78.86]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:36:47 -0300 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:01:17 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] an interesting piece To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <7416ADC93038495C990F5E575FB210F1@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Am4TAGcA6UgYik5W/2dsb2JhbACBa4gQrjADgWc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,365,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="338155873" References: <5844C3BC-1BA5-4F10-90FC-0D71FF1DB771@frozenlight.eu> <48E931A9.7060402@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 03:01:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e96372227309117217770 5 Oct 2008 An interesting piece in tomorrow's Thunderer: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/visual_arts/article4860955.ece jh ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 05:04:21 2008 Received: (qmail 30182 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 03:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 03:04:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9945EC2D97; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 05:04:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:04:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.226.244]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D431FC2F04 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 05:04:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.106] (pool-71-110-222-4.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.110.222.4]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.8.5-GA) with ESMTP id DBS66594 (AUTH siddiq@ucr.edu) for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <88898627-A6A3-4BCD-AC7F-D69BCDA3AA71@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <7416ADC93038495C990F5E575FB210F1@hudson> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: an interesting piece X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:04:07 -0700 References: <5844C3BC-1BA5-4F10-90FC-0D71FF1DB771@frozenlight.eu> <48E931A9.7060402@gmail.com> <7416ADC93038495C990F5E575FB210F1@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: siddiq@ucr.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 05:04:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e98035112669347015869 On Oct 5, 2008, at 6:01 PM, John Hudson wrote: > > 5 Oct 2008 > > An interesting piece in tomorrow's Thunderer: > > http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/visual_arts/article4860955.ece > > jh Long, but a good read, thanks! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 06:16:08 2008 Received: (qmail 24228 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 04:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 04:16:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1DDC3376; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:15:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:15:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpoutw.mac.com (smtpoutw.mac.com [17.250.248.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CA0C298D for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:15:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail075 (webmail075-s [10.13.128.75]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw002/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m964FpEw022557 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:15:50 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: "olympus@ml.free.fr List" Message-ID: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> Subject: [OM] There is now a wife! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.128.237.252, 82.96.58.42 Received: from [216.128.237.252] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:15:50 +0200 Received: from [ 82.96.58.42] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:15:50 +0200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jmalmstrom@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 06:16:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e99108304778512572685 Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now wife and I'm the husband. My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put up some photos for display, this being the last: http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk Enjoy! / Johan - Still in Soda Spring, Idaho ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 06:36:45 2008 Received: (qmail 3223 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 04:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 04:36:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2FCC3348; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:36:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:36:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DE4C31A8 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:36:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1995 invoked by uid 502); 6 Oct 2008 04:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.186.195) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 Oct 2008 04:36:30 -0000 Message-ID: <48E995CA.3050606@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:36:26 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! References: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> In-Reply-To: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 06:36:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e995dd131791073733319 Johan Malmström wrote: > Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now wife and I'm the husband. > Wonderful!! May you stay deeply happy with each other and your life together. > My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put up some photos for display, this being the last: http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk > Let me guess ... You have all been shrunk to tiny dimensions as a way of conserving the Earth's resources? Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 06:49:32 2008 Received: (qmail 17441 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 04:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 04:49:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18757C31E8; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:49:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:49:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpoutw.mac.com (smtpoutw.mac.com [17.250.248.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6032CC2E92 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:49:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail075 (webmail075-s [10.13.128.75]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw003/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m964nHlk026823; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:49:16 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: olympus@ml.free.fr Cc: olymoose@gmail.com Message-ID: <143025026038892449226765979474752761163-Webmail2@me.com> in-reply-to: <48E995CA.3050606@gmail.com> references: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> <48E995CA.3050606@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.128.237.252, 82.96.58.21 Received: from [216.128.237.252] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:49:16 +0200 Received: from [ 82.96.58.21] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:49:16 +0200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jmalmstrom@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 06:49:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e998dc250381702588592 On Monday, October 06, 2008, at 06:36AM, "Moose" wrote: >Johan Malmström wrote: >> Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now wife and I'm the husband. >> >Wonderful!! Yes! > >May you stay deeply happy with each other and your life together. >> My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put up some photos for display, this being the last: http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk >> >Let me guess ... You have all been shrunk to tiny dimensions as a way of >conserving the Earth's resources? Yes! And it's working so well, the space on my seat flying coach over the Atlantic was galactic. :) I know, but when I get the control of the files you will all be able to download us in true size. > >Moose / Johan ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 06:52:06 2008 Received: (qmail 27882 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 04:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 04:52:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F44C3374; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:51:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:51:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4744EC3793 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:51:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 32477 invoked by uid 518); 6 Oct 2008 04:51:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20081006045152.32476.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 40: Alicante snippets again Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:51:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 208.92.185.92 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 06:52:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e99976198951946193717 I agree with Moose that Alicante looks scary. I do like #7 but I vote instead for Alt 10... in B&W Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Moose > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 40: Alicante snippets again > Sent: Oct 05 '08 21:29 > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > After the preceding week's drive to England and back, this week I am back in Alicante, just going about my daily business. I offer you nice views, some Volvo Ocean Race stuff, a puffed-up cat and, as always, señoritas: > > > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=161 > > > > As ever, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > >   > I'm not a usual 'winner' picker, and I'm sure a few folks may be shocked > at my choice of a B&W image, but I calls 'em as I sees 'em - or as they > affect me. I find Alt #7 to be the standout this week for me. > > Too bad Alt#8 couldn't have waited for Halloween. The cat 'fluff', color > and pose are perfect. > > Alt #1 is just scary. Your PAWs had so far given me an impression of > Alicante far different than that high-rise ghetto. A very unappealing > prospect to me. The Summer temperatures had already decided me, but now > I'm even more certain it won't temp me away from my temperate home. :-) > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 06:56:57 2008 Received: (qmail 2953 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 04:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 04:56:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAA8C390D; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:56:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:56:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF4EC3850 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:56:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3300 invoked by uid 518); 6 Oct 2008 04:56:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20081006045643.3299.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:56:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 208.92.185.92 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 06:56:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e99a99169201744846740 Congratulations! Chuck Norcutt (44 years and still counting) > -------Original Message------- > From: Moose > Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! > Sent: Oct 06 '08 04:36 > > Johan Malmström wrote: > > Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now wife and I'm the husband. > >   > Wonderful!! > > May you stay deeply happy with each other and your life together. > > My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put up some photos for display, this being the last: http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk > >   > Let me guess ... You have all been shrunk to tiny dimensions as a way of > conserving the Earth's resources? > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 07:08:17 2008 Received: (qmail 15269 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 05:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 05:08:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743B1C354F; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:08:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:08:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE3BC344A for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:08:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 101.red-81-39-71.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.71.101]:62704 helo=[192.168.2.101]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KmiKB-00066B-7s (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:08:04 +0000 Message-Id: <74FE413F-51F0-4D24-8F9A-4F302FDAB32A@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081006045152.32476.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 40: Alicante snippets again Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:08:01 +0200 References: <20081006045152.32476.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 07:08:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e99d41286402336821329 Hi Chuck, Moose, Andrew (and others who have been surprised by the main picture): Alicante has about 400,000 inhabitants, so it is not that small. The area you see in my picture is a peninsula called Cabo Huertas, which is about 5 km north of the city. I took the picture from the highest point in Alicante, a medieval castle on top of a tall hill overlooking the city. The particular area visible is the main beach area and of course everyone who buys an apartment there wants a beach view or at least to be close to the beach. The only way that can be accomplished is to build high and tight. However, the fact that I used a longish telephoto (the Zuiko 50-200mm close to its long end) also compresses the perspective. In reality, when you walk or drive among those buildings, there is a lot of space and greenery around. In the centre, Alicante has old buildings, narrow streets etc., in other words, what you expect to find in a Spanish city. That is the part of town I show most often in my images, so perhaps that is why you guys were surprised by this different view. The centre of Alicante is very attractive. You have the waterfront promenade, like Barcelona's Rambla but along the water, and you get into the old city (here simply called the Barrio) just by walking a few hundred metres away from the sea. The main business of Alicante has long been tourism and associated services. But the city also has a large university and a thriving service industry. When the EU decided to locate the agency where I work (www.oami.europa.eu) in Spain back in the mid-1990s, the Spanish government in turn decided to place it in Alicante rather than the more obvious choices of Madrid or Barcelona precisely in order to diversify the local economy a bit. To some extent it has worked: there are several IP law firms that have opened offices here, the local university has a major program in IP law, a European School was built (every child of an EU employee has a right to be educated in its mother tongue, so the EU has its own system of schools), and last but not least, several hundred well-paid civil servants now live in Alicante and spend their money here. So that's what it is. No reason to get scared, this really is a very nice place. Cheers and as always thanks for looking, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 6, 2008, at 6:51 AM, wrote: > I agree with Moose that Alicante looks scary. I do like #7 but I > vote instead for Alt 10... in B&W > > Chuck Norcutt > > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: Moose >> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 40: Alicante snippets again >> Sent: Oct 05 '08 21:29 >> >> Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>> After the preceding week's drive to England and back, this week I >>> am back in Alicante, just going about my daily business. I offer >>> you nice views, some Volvo Ocean Race stuff, a puffed-up cat and, >>> as always, señoritas: >>> >>> http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=161 >>> >>> As ever, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. >>> >> I'm not a usual 'winner' picker, and I'm sure a few folks may be >> shocked >> at my choice of a B&W image, but I calls 'em as I sees 'em - or as >> they >> affect me. I find Alt #7 to be the standout this week for me. >> >> Too bad Alt#8 couldn't have waited for Halloween. The cat 'fluff', >> color >> and pose are perfect. >> >> Alt #1 is just scary. Your PAWs had so far given me an impression of >> Alicante far different than that high-rise ghetto. A very unappealing >> prospect to me. The Summer temperatures had already decided me, but >> now >> I'm even more certain it won't temp me away from my temperate >> home. :-) >> >> Moose >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 07:33:21 2008 Received: (qmail 24977 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 05:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 05:33:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2DAC2CD3; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:33:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:33:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD89C399E for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:33:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C13461596 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:48:17 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <1B4178D3-E8FB-4B23-9E0D-6E7E20EF1D21@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:33:07 +0100 References: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 07:33:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e9a320306757927319144 Congratulations, Johan. May you both be happy all your days. The photographs are excellent! Presumably that happened while you were still at home, not in the USA. Chris On 6 Oct 2008, at 05:15, Johan Malmström wrote: > > Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now > wife and I'm the husband. > > My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put > up some photos for display, this being the last: > http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 07:35:30 2008 Received: (qmail 21707 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 05:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 05:35:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54AEAC3723; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:35:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:35:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4AFC3359 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:35:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9806 invoked by uid 502); 6 Oct 2008 05:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.176.75) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 Oct 2008 05:35:15 -0000 Message-ID: <48E9A38F.10101@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:35:11 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff References: <20081005043006.32183.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> In-Reply-To: <20081005043006.32183.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 07:35:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e9a3a2135921744846740 chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > One first needs to differentiate based on an 8 bit file of what type? A TIFF or a JPEG? The reason is that there are two things in question here. One is resolution and the other is color detail (meaning subtle differences in shade). > > An 8 bit TIFF file, whether uncompressed or compressed contains 8 bits of color info for every pixel that was represented in the original raw file. And 8 bits of color info for each RGB pixel is more color detail than can be printed by any existing print process on any existing paper. So, the short answer for a TIFF file is that there is no difference at all between an 8 bit and 16 bit file used to make a print. That assumes, however, that any editing of pixel brightness was done in 16 bit form before conversion to 8 bit. But, for editing at the pixel brightness level, there is a definite difference between 8 and 16 bit. Keep your intermediate editing files in 16 bit form and your final output files in 8 bit form. > I am not entirely convinced of this. I have no empirical data whatsoever. My processed files are saved as 16 bit PSDs and that's what I print from. Doing my own comparisons tests sounds like way more time, cost and effort than just adding disk space. With terabyte disks rapidly approaching $100, I just can't see the point in tossing valid image data based on storage constraints. As a matter of theory, there are reasons why 16 bit input to the printing process could yield more accurate color in the print. A lot happens between the input file and the finished print, and there is room for significant differences between 8 and 16 bit processes in that path. First, the printer is a CYMK device and the input image for us is usually RGB. If you get into soft proofing in PS or other printing apps., you will see that the conversion may have a significant effect on color tonality. The RGB image should have a color profile and a color gamut and the printer/ink/paper combo likewise should have a profile (often hidden in the driver and not named as such) and will have a quite different color gamut. So one thing that must be done as part of the process is remapping the image to the new gamut via profiles. As this involves the same sort of modifications of tonal values as many editing functions, the same problems can occur as noted in your last post on the subject, holes and piles, lack of subtlety in some tonal transitions, etc. If the app that does this conversion operates in 16 bit, the result will be at least theoretically better with a full 16 bit input. PS does it in 16 bit, as I'm sure the high end RIPS do. Whether other printing apps, like Qimage, and which manufacturer drivers for which models do or don't, I don't know. Second, do we really know that contemporary high end consumer- low end pro printers are actually 8 bit down inside? Most of them now have 6-8 ink colors and some have variable droplet sizes and drop pitches. So lets assume for fun a printer with eight inks, two droplet sizes and fixed pitch. Whatever the input, the actual data streams that drive the heads are 256 x 8 x 2 = 4096 combinations. I'm not a theoretical mathematician, and don't know any way to relate this to input file bit depth. I can calculate that it's the same number of different values as contained in a 12 bit image file. Third, many printing apps, at least RIPs and Qimage, do sharpening and sometimes tricky things like detail enhancement based on individual printer characteristics. Once again, this involves changing individual pixel values, again with the interpolation and integer rounding problems. I recall at least one app, perhaps Qimage (?), that says it does all intermediate calculation steps in floating point, only converting to integer values as the last step before sending the image to the printer itself, so that multiple processing steps won't compound the problem. In any case, I am convinced that saving final files for print in 8 bit RGB versions for long term storage and dumping any higher depth is not adequate to promise the best possible current print output, let alone future printed output. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 08:44:13 2008 Received: (qmail 22917 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 06:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 06:44:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90785C2F81; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:43:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:43:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DCCC3E84 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:36:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8DCB0686 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:36:49 +1100 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QRaiSW55R3dk for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:36:47 +1100 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4FFB041B for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:36:47 +1100 (EST) Received: from c211-30-67-111.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au ([211.30.67.111] helo=[10.0.1.3]) by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KmjiB-0002m9-9l for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:36:55 +1100 Message-Id: <9CD0A169-8E0C-4743-ADFC-BDBA21D0368E@wildskies.net> From: Brent To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48E9A38F.10101@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Ducks & Geese Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:36:54 +1100 References: <20081005043006.32183.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48E9A38F.10101@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brutherford@wildskies.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 08:44:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e9b3bd139881591313764 Hi Was up early this morning, as per usual with daylight savings and our 2 yr old daughter Lily. Took Lily for a walk down to the local park (Morrison's Bay). Lily loves birds, so we stayed a while with the ducks and geese. Had the OM Zuiko 75-150mm f4 on the Canon 350D body. I haven't had much luck with this lens in the past, don't know if it's just me but in the past the photos I've taken with it have seemed to lack a lot of 'oomph'. Anyway, these ones have been NR'ed with NeatImage, sharpened, and levels played with. http://homepage.mac.com/brent_rutherford/DucksAndGeese/ Brent ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 11:20:44 2008 Received: (qmail 26124 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 09:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 09:20:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52F2C2965; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:20:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:20:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF35EC2F4B for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:20:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <23723553.21441223285210180.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 415 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:26:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:18:57 +0200 References: <48E4FFED.7040601@verizon.net> <48E7E6BD.3040909@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 11:20:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e9d86c56711993019900 Mark, You didn't happen to test a early-serial-number 24/2.0 ? I am still trying to get my hands on a geiger counter, an in the meantime, am trying the UV-light (from the sun) therapy, as I have nothing to lose. On 05 Oct 2008, at 6:01 PM, Mark Marr-Lyon wrote: > > I have a 50/1.4, serial number 184276, that is most definitely > radioactive. > At one point, I tested all my early lenses, and I found a couple > additional > lenses that were very slightly radioactive. They did not have any > noticeable yellowing and I think they were about 100 counts per > minute above > background. This is much less than the radioactive versions of the > 50/1.4 > and 55/1.2, which measure in the thousands of counts per minute above > background and have pronounced yellowing. I don't remember if the > 100/2.8 > was among those or not. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 11:26:03 2008 Received: (qmail 26675 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 09:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 09:26:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8750DC2E0E; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:25:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:25:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED896C3B15 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:25:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <16496943.21451223285614777.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 310 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:33:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:25:42 +0200 References: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 11:26:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e9d9ab226531234514069 Congratulations, Johan! May the rest of your life together be filled with happiness, and - when things are not so happy - with understanding, respect, and patience until they are happy again. I am getting married end of January next year (2009), and in the mean time my fianceé and I are having a good time restoring a 1961 Mercedes-Benz 220S Fintail ourselves, with the hope of it doing duty as wedding coach :-) I maintain a blog with photos on this little project, if anybody is interested in this sort of thing: http://fintail-restoration.blogspot.com/ best of wishes, Dawid On 06 Oct 2008, at 6:15 AM, Johan Malmström wrote: > > > Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now > wife and I'm the husband. > > My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put > up some photos for display, this being the last: > http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk > > Enjoy! / Johan - Still in Soda Spring, Idaho > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 11:48:41 2008 Received: (qmail 245 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 09:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 09:48:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4734AC3614; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:48:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:48:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE9CC2ED9 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:48:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so2651311wfd.5 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:48:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4EtTSQ+LkfDcRAvI4rN16XjS4+/DANW5ui/L2F69Ql8=; b=IglTEBpJegusKLRzun+Q6pSk7upKJ5fZM2agHqoHnd7+6euuaUjffJ50YaBTbKrzTj F/DoQi1A8uGAmgMPncxJ3u/2BUdnItbv/cuoSTbdiT2OQEkak2o/jVFxvsU2oi9nUaxa I4ls1hdS44z0GgpKfddKgKPnIn+fIGpnXeJrg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=t9K4QLjoJaogm8v8OxmNngrKfxNytTOwE3iLIlqGi9ZFmu84cWu589Hx/blflI62S6 Pj6AAIrj+aSftS6XlWCEOSx9c9jj+hhiLpOQZKtM2/YqELUbfau1aZYwvby8QlyeuNeA 2OoQliKJQq74ifSsDsBPI2fE7xjjhSOHvkp6o= Received: by 10.142.134.17 with SMTP id h17mr1865731wfd.346.1223286506985; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-172-115.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.172.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm12794581wfc.6.2008.10.06.02.48.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48E9DEE2.9050000@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:48:18 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Fwd: On Topic Images---Visit to Mooseland References: <8CAF54D2D8E90F4-8D4-6F1@WEBMAIL-MA07.sysops.aol.com> <8CAF562626C7071-8D4-D85@WEBMAIL-MA07.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CAF562626C7071-8D4-D85@WEBMAIL-MA07.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 11:48:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e9def922109347015869 usher99@aol.com wrote: > ... > The green curry was sublime and matched the company and hospitality. > Thanks Moose! Nice photos, Mike, but if you made me pick a favourite, it would definitely be the one of the completely delicious-looking curry. ;-) Cheers, Marc ("The way to a man's heart...") Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 11:52:49 2008 Received: (qmail 7498 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 09:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 09:52:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7D5C3124; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:52:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:52:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA7BC2999 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:52:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KmmlY-00049d-RQ for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:52:36 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:52:36 +0100 From: Patrick Moore To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: off camera flash? Message-ID: <20081006095236.GJ23656@the.earth.li> References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> <48E5F5AF.1080105@blueyonder.co.uk> <48E685A4.5030101@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48E685A4.5030101@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: paddy@earth.li Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 11:52:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e9dff1195522336821329 * On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 01:50:44PM -0700, Moose said: > >> Here's one which is slightly more conventional, and failing to quite get to GeeBee territory. Shall we say, an amateur homage. ;) > >> > >> http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/indiv.pl?dir=sligo_2008&photo=sligo_sept_2008_011.jpg&o=12 > >> > > > > Begging to be Moosterised... ;-) > > > Oh dear, I'd already done that for myself before getting to your suggestion. And I thank you for it! :) > Chris Barker wrote: > > ... but I'm not sure of the compositional benefit afforded by the empty fertiliser tank ;-) > > > > I agree. True. It does improve it immensely. Many of these photos suffer from the fact I only really prod them on my laptop screen, while it sits on my knee, so the viewing angle is a little too critical at times. I really must work on it. Cheers, paddy -- o OOOOooO( Memes don't exist. )Oo. .o0o.oOOo.o( Tell your friends. )Oo. .oo. o .o. .o( )Oo. . paddy@earth.li( )Oo. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 11:57:40 2008 Received: (qmail 28642 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 09:57:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 09:57:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A800C3E31; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:57:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:57:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CFDC3F55 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:56:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2014884wah.1 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:56:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RCFLz4Np9/YWs4eLL5O3LmtTLoLlUJAREr2UZeKJ2xk=; b=yIcP7QKHs56ohB22l5AJ7QtHbsjVLS7OEWWFOZAXWlIijbzEEY0twrouovQpr6geKf SI/1k+HdiMl5jZMswZW5i2gaA8JT4pMpTJ/HvrllFFeqgYUpGZ0DjvhzKDzxTn/8o51L Cu1knnOzXOglvEbk5HRgqV0T7Jo0DU0F3Dwl8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dBkh3Eg/Ehi77Lxsqd7UNBwpkjbBdRLMDJODcY1EVgtRjH8m857agqwJ/75Z/uMuGx IK2wTm/SZJHEuhpWN06obsgJggQLpC5BpS8NLKQ0EG9Q65kTnkRM/GErdt35cV26oLs0 sgpUm+XAqubqlgLHInqTy9cN+xV9A4kpTHgjM= Received: by 10.114.194.1 with SMTP id r1mr5178241waf.205.1223287011420; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-172-115.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.172.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t1sm10578708poh.13.2008.10.06.02.56.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48E9E0D9.7020500@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:56:41 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! References: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> In-Reply-To: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 11:57:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e9e11440441499373980 Johan Malmström wrote: > > Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna > is now wife and I'm the husband. Congratulations to you both! > My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he > has put up some photos for display, this being the last: > http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk Hey, I quite like that. The formality and the toning and the "dormer"(?) setting...yeah, your friend, Gert, did a nice job with that (well, as far as I can see, though I bet it's nice in larger form too). Primarily, though, you both look beautiful (especially Anna, of course :-) ). Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 12:01:39 2008 Received: (qmail 19377 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 10:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 10:01:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18BFC2E76; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:01:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:01:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C65C2E9F for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:01:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KmmtT-0004UD-1w for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:00:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:47 +0100 From: Patrick Moore To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [SPAM] off camera flash? Message-ID: <20081006100047.GK23656@the.earth.li> References: <20081003094608.GF23656@the.earth.li> <30892D68-29DA-4940-B22A-A336D1722A1E@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <30892D68-29DA-4940-B22A-A336D1722A1E@people.net.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: paddy@earth.li Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 12:01:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e9e203164281499373980 * On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 09:25:40PM +1000, Andrew Fildes said: > > Really do like 107. Thanks. :) > I've been playing that way too. I think I've posted this before - > http://www.pbase.com/afildes/image/103702454 Nice! > into the lens or not triggering the 'spot flash' at all. Had good > response to this image - the mistiness in the ball is just smudged > fingerprints. The benefits of not cleaning too much. :) All the best, paddy -- ----------( Close your eyes, count to three. 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(124-171-172-115.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.172.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q18sm10808804pog.9.2008.10.06.03.04.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48E9E2A4.5050702@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:04:20 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: an interesting piece References: <5844C3BC-1BA5-4F10-90FC-0D71FF1DB771@frozenlight.eu> <48E931A9.7060402@gmail.com> <7416ADC93038495C990F5E575FB210F1@hudson> In-Reply-To: <7416ADC93038495C990F5E575FB210F1@hudson> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 12:07:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e9e35d84963675314703 John Hudson wrote: > 5 Oct 2008 > An interesting piece in tomorrow's Thunderer: > Very interesting. Thanks, John. One of the (shamefully) few photography books I have, but also one of two that often gets pulled down off the shelves for contemplation and inspiration, is Annie Leibovitz's "American Music" (the other is Cartier Bresson's "The Man, the Image & the World: A Retrospective"). So, I enjoyed this piece. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 12:10:46 2008 Received: (qmail 15091 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 10:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 10:10:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412BEC3F7C; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:10:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:10:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.232]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23531C3FD0 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:09:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2546548rvb.29 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:09:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=Oaiccb8syUFgGnKywNTMIyL2sR0ceE4h9jL0Dryg3Cg=; b=xjKALO4kPyh5rdGo9MZ8pUeGVchMUDiJuM2wUilh9b+BDeZTmr6y2chtn7Pu81NLyK DoXPYTMVrR6NWfKOUXVdn+20HyIGvEzXnq1zON1TB+FcuJ2rvJoehBxv63mMxkdYLp0z Gr23NUgyv9puQ+RgpzJR0kEn0f1LRR63ZgLTE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=jMwT0U4oJRekrR7XqURpt1AaMEfUCS6jPiFba+oW7fncEi/TpalGYjDRpmyJtaX2S6 QRHiGGEHNd/TuTeDLOswIIbm8+Xr4FKMcgS8uOGcZWZtjmcAlYL8mrqxYDeIhhHUseJl Xhp9O/dVvicYdXAeoxIK8CiJ+bJZcJAjeGfiU= Received: by 10.140.144.6 with SMTP id r6mr2717717rvd.293.1223287746422; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.204.2 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 03:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:09:06 +0200 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] start of a website is up... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikooh@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 12:10:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e9e42633521744846740 hello all, at www.intertwine.be there is the beginning of a website for me and my partner in life tinne.The three left squares are presenting her graphic work, the right one is a subtle try to start doing something productive with photography for me. It is only the very start, no captions yet and I'll have to do a course to mak the content more to my likings :) anyway, after 6 years of a domain name, now there is at least a bit content! Iwert ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 13:12:45 2008 Received: (qmail 6970 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 11:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 11:12:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E325C3174; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:12:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:12:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50362C3485 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:12:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <15043687.21481223292021067.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 526 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:20:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9CD0A169-8E0C-4743-ADFC-BDBA21D0368E@wildskies.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Ducks & Geese Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:12:26 +0200 References: <20081005043006.32183.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48E9A38F.10101@gmail.com> <9CD0A169-8E0C-4743-ADFC-BDBA21D0368E@wildskies.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 13:12:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48e9f2ad262601585427447 Hi Brent, Out of the lot, I prefer the last one (#10) http://homepage.mac.com/brent_rutherford/DucksAndGeese/large-10.html for its composition. In my opinion (and everybody differs here) the images are cleaned up a little bit too much, making them look a little artificial. The 75-150 is a great-carrying, small little lens, although I do not have enough experience with it to make statements around its performance, other than that most early zoom lenses were not great. On 06 Oct 2008, at 8:36 AM, Brent wrote: > Had the OM Zuiko 75-150mm f4 on the Canon 350D body. I haven't had > much luck with this lens in the past, don't know if it's just me but > in the past the photos I've taken with it have seemed to lack a lot of > 'oomph'. > > Anyway, these ones have been NR'ed with NeatImage, sharpened, and > levels played with. > > http://homepage.mac.com/brent_rutherford/DucksAndGeese/ > > Brent ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 14:33:00 2008 Received: (qmail 25676 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 12:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 12:32:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5F0C3C26; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:32:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:32:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CE7C42AA for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:31:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90B2B06A6 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:31:14 +1100 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3fF2ne6k1ZGo for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:31:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D1CB05F9 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:31:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from c211-30-67-111.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au ([211.30.67.111] helo=[10.0.1.3]) by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KmpFC-00053C-I8 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:31:22 +1100 Message-Id: From: Brent To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <15043687.21481223292021067.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Ducks & Geese Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:31:21 +1100 References: <20081005043006.32183.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48E9A38F.10101@gmail.com> <9CD0A169-8E0C-4743-ADFC-BDBA21D0368E@wildskies.net> <15043687.21481223292021067.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brutherford@wildskies.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 14:33:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea057c246631946193717 Hi David Thanks - yes I like that one, although I think that one turned out looking the 'most' artificial - almost looks like I've pasted the goose from another photo... when all I did was mess with the 'exposure'. At the moment I'm trying hard to learn about the whole digital processing thing. Have played with PS for years but never really tried to develop my skills with a purpose. Since I've joined this list, Moose has really surprised me with what could be done with the raw materials coming out of digital cameras / scanners so I'm trying a few things out. To be honest, my absolute favourite photos that I've taken myself have all been gritty, raw, high grain black and white. I think I "think" differently when I have a black and white film in the camera. Of course, maybe it's the being forced to think (or having the time to think) that makes the difference. My favourite photos have also all been taken when I've been able to relax, clear my mind and really focus on the task at hand. Sorry, rambling now. Brent On 06/10/2008, at 10:12 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > > Hi Brent, > > Out of the lot, I prefer the last one (#10) > http://homepage.mac.com/brent_rutherford/DucksAndGeese/large-10.html > > for its composition. In my opinion (and everybody differs here) the > images > are cleaned up a little bit too much, making them look a little > artificial. > > The 75-150 is a great-carrying, small little lens, although I do not > have enough > experience with it to make statements around its performance, other > than that > most early zoom lenses were not great. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 15:14:39 2008 Received: (qmail 22348 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 13:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 13:14:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6718C3B18; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:14:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:14:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE30C369C for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:14:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 8B11017A8Q for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:14:24 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:14:23 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] There is now a wife! thread-index: AcknakQjoaIEwXZFRDK1hQFmBUcZJQASyXMQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2008 13:14:24.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[73EEBF40:01C927B5] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 15:14:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea0f3f121231073733319 Congratulations. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Johan Malmström Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 9:16 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr List Subject: [OM] There is now a wife! Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now wife and I'm the husband. My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put up some photos for display, this being the last: http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk Enjoy! / Johan - Still in Soda Spring, Idaho ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 16:41:52 2008 Received: (qmail 705 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 14:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 14:41:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B16C347D; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:41:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:41:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A85BC2918 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:41:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.191]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8B00A7QNGGELX0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:41:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:41:12 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff In-reply-to: <48E7EAE1.70309@gmail.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48EA2388.5000902@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48E77DAA.1060907@verizon.net> <48E7EAE1.70309@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 16:41:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea23b0218481744846740 Thanks guys! Lisa and I took a trip to Rockport MA last week (9/26 - 10/1, as hurricane Ike brushed past). Rained constantly Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I've got the E-500 set to save raw and shq and am really enjoying Raw Therapee (major 2.4 release could be out soon). My only concern is saving lots of images at 47 megs apiece. I'll either get over it or edit more. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Moose wrote: > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> More flexibility in any subsequent adjustments you may wish to make. >> > Now that's succinct! > > Moose > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 16:44:33 2008 Received: (qmail 21272 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 14:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 14:44:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536B4C3D1A; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:44:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:44:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms172069pub.verizon.net (vms172069pub.verizon.net [206.46.172.69]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F21C3D73 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:43:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.191]) by vms172069.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8B00DC5NKT35M1@vms172069.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:43:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:43:49 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! In-reply-to: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48EA2425.2000304@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 16:44:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea2451162771023412894 Congratulations, Johan! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Johan Malmström wrote: > > Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now > wife and I'm the husband. > > My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put > up some photos for display, this being the last: > http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk > > Enjoy! / Johan - Still in Soda Spring, Idaho > > ============================================== List usage info: > http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: > olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 16:52:15 2008 Received: (qmail 25032 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 14:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 14:52:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518B9C483F; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:51:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:51:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.65]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id CBA6EC4355 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:46:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31550 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2008 14:46:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gcuUg8Rs9Otoump/C04sKtIafqO62gKEFlx47SY9HJdGZxNzaAcfvWUiz+vlkgNa0l1yIEjqEFStHngSWBzaGSNpqNEYDpaHVWRWlsdLJO6EO+EWXgq27kA9SOQwYYP18Dln2Qsrk+zCIC6EzOSfLNObvLs59XXrD3yOsv1onwY=; X-YMail-OSG: 3Zsx28EVM1na4OZK1kXqfY_pnV4.9FzL_5wJeAdIJuuXOKf5EOYnTUpkwhUut36wu9tbycNreFZEFM1bZGIsreGyDei0LLizLdMoFUI.HvuhMjVF_iUc0.GawvnDGWAhKNCXXr3sP9S6U2cgIbBoJAs92LyNIKubhdblX0JKPOIqblZaqmewsJvkVNJ9geH_A_Cf Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:46:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <208434.29008.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 16:52:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea261f257811023412894 Congrats! You will quickly note a decline in photo equipment purchases! 8-)) --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Johan Malmström wrote: > From: Johan Malmström > Subject: [OM] There is now a wife! > To: "olympus@ml.free.fr List" > Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 12:15 AM > Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, > Anna is now wife and I'm the husband. > > My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he > has put up some photos for display, this being the last: > http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk > > Enjoy! / Johan - Still in Soda Spring, Idaho > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 17:04:28 2008 Received: (qmail 12445 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 15:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 15:04:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC101C456D; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:03:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:03:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8877AC46DF for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:59:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 1FE7D8A7QE for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:59:25 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:59:25 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <208434.29008.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! thread-index: AcknwyGu8q6SVwrnSGao3/oxmf8/QQAAPaaQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2008 14:59:25.0338 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F9017A0:01C927C4] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 17:04:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea28fc172251529615919 Or those readily admitted to at least. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of AS Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:47 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! Congrats! You will quickly note a decline in photo equipment purchases! 8-)) --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Johan Malmström wrote: > From: Johan Malmström > Subject: [OM] There is now a wife! > To: "olympus@ml.free.fr List" > Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 12:15 AM > Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, > Anna is now wife and I'm the husband. > > My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put up > some photos for display, this being the last: > http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk > > Enjoy! / Johan - Still in Soda Spring, Idaho > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 17:17:25 2008 Received: (qmail 21677 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 15:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 15:17:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDB6C49B1; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:17:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:17:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0D5C4161 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:04:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081006150430.MBNE2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:04:30 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id PT4X1a00R4vDLwc02T4XjV; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:04:32 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=SEMcXzV2AAAA:8 a=aUh42GgfDjAp86VQi4UA:9 a=rhH35TpIT00GYpXQ-heSrpwLfTEA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <41B6BDD408E1419EAB85EE7C1155E95B@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <208434.29008.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] a kodachrome story Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:04:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 17:17:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea2c05235742046811720 I've been seeing a lot lately about the possible demise of Kodachrome, and apparently a local TV guy has too. Here's the link to the text of this week's installment of "Hatteberg's People" that interviews the owner of Dwayne's. http://www.kake.com/hattebergpeople/headlines/30496989.html Of particular interest is the statement "We're probably doing over a thousand rolls of Kodachrome every day." At that rate, the end can't be too far off. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 17:28:33 2008 Received: (qmail 7904 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 15:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 15:28:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECB2C3A2D; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:28:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:28:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C422DC441A for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:10:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so802092eyd.5 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:10:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=YBHP0OQItZDGKOUhdheA/P9IOrfR+GBKaD+LmykNuF0=; b=f9tdXcZlLVUHBGipNewjCPD0gHcAbmPVjORvWyROmfF511/RsaqiZus0NrOjyPTgtw DlAG1cFfIxLHTnxHHdpNHPziCqStZesjQl29IgSxDyaJApd2MrUntGssH9+YAvYWVuap z7OzzRqi73QSOWyBI777gK1U2RA5X+WcsxaYY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=dZI0794vyk4TVEzaekDcnagOfaCf3rldJS18Bq7GS0zrKGrHVKi1Y/nHMAb+MO4iqF /m54qUg61vDl1GlkW6DIchH3yCq+FgQ86g/Y7FKySre8zK6+E5+TymIAnN9dmVFefZN7 ZOVovDANBzm7JPDhIyJY6J3fGHmI4693MuuyE= Received: by 10.86.63.19 with SMTP id l19mr4650025fga.77.1223305800542; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.2 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0810060810x7c352649id8fd9e2c32c05b6f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:10:00 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! In-Reply-To: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 17:28:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea2ea111231869477228 Well done guys. Best of luck and happiness to you. Charlie On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Johan Malmström wrote: > > > Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now wife and > I'm the husband. > > My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put up some > photos for display, this being the last: > http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk > > Enjoy! / Johan - Still in Soda Spring, Idaho > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 17:31:22 2008 Received: (qmail 21825 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 15:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 15:31:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBB7C3D30; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:31:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:31:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A156FC4892 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:19:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25775 invoked by uid 518); 6 Oct 2008 15:19:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20081006151939.25774.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:19:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 208.92.185.92 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 17:31:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea2f4a196231993019900 My comments were made solely based on the dynamic range of a paper print maxing out at about 5 stops. I don't expect that to change. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Moose > Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff > Sent: Oct 06 '08 05:35 > > chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > > One first needs to differentiate based on an 8 bit file of what type?  A TIFF or a JPEG?  The reason is that there are two things in question here.  One is resolution and the other is color detail (meaning subtle differences in shade).   > > > > An 8 bit TIFF file,  whether uncompressed or compressed contains 8 bits of color info for every pixel that was represented in the original raw file.  And 8 bits of color info for each RGB pixel is more color detail than can be printed by any existing print process on any existing paper.  So, the short answer for a TIFF file is that there is no difference at all between an 8 bit and 16 bit file used to make a print.  That assumes, however, that any editing of pixel brightness was done in 16 bit form before conversion to 8 bit.  But, for editing at the pixel brightness level, there is a definite difference between 8 and 16 bit.  Keep your intermediate editing files in 16 bit form and your final output files in 8 bit form. > >   > I am not entirely convinced of this. I have no empirical data > whatsoever. My processed files are saved as 16 bit PSDs and that's what > I print from. Doing my own comparisons tests sounds like way more time, > cost and effort than just adding disk space. With terabyte disks rapidly > approaching $100, I just can't see the point in tossing valid image data > based on storage constraints. > > As a matter of theory, there are reasons why 16 bit input to the > printing process could yield more accurate color in the print. A lot > happens between the input file and the finished print, and there is room > for significant differences between 8 and 16 bit processes in that path. > > First, the printer is a CYMK device and the input image for us is > usually RGB. If you get into soft proofing in PS or other printing > apps., you will see that the conversion may have a significant effect on > color tonality. The RGB image should have a color profile and a color > gamut and the printer/ink/paper combo likewise should have a profile > (often hidden in the driver and not named as such) and will have a quite > different color gamut. > > So one thing that must be done as part of the process is remapping the > image to the new gamut via profiles. As this involves the same sort of > modifications of tonal values as many editing functions, the same > problems can occur as noted in your last post on the subject, holes and > piles, lack of subtlety in some tonal transitions, etc. If the app that > does this conversion operates in 16 bit, the result will be at least > theoretically better with a full 16 bit input. PS does it in 16 bit, as > I'm sure the high end RIPS do. Whether other printing apps, like Qimage, > and which manufacturer drivers for which models do or don't, I don't know. > > Second, do we really know that contemporary high end consumer- low end > pro printers are actually 8 bit down inside? Most of them now have 6-8 > ink colors and some have variable droplet sizes and drop pitches. So > lets assume for fun a printer with eight inks, two droplet sizes and > fixed pitch. Whatever the input, the actual data streams that drive the > heads are 256 x 8 x 2 = 4096 combinations. > > I'm not a theoretical mathematician, and don't know any way to relate > this to input file bit depth. I can calculate that it's the same number > of different values as contained in a 12 bit image file. > > Third, many printing apps, at least RIPs and Qimage, do sharpening and > sometimes tricky things like detail enhancement based on individual > printer characteristics. Once again, this involves changing individual > pixel values, again with the interpolation and integer rounding > problems. I recall at least one app, perhaps Qimage (?), that says it > does all intermediate calculation steps in floating point, only > converting to integer values as the last step before sending the image > to the printer itself, so that multiple processing steps won't compound > the problem. > > In any case, I am convinced that saving final files for print in 8 bit > RGB versions for long term storage and dumping any higher depth is not > adequate to promise the best possible current print output, let alone > future printed output. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 18:51:38 2008 Received: (qmail 12007 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 16:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 16:51:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8C7C2CD4; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:51:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:51:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12121C2B37 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:51:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47541461625 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:06:36 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <554F3AD7-033D-4428-AF59-E9C4050530DD@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9CD0A169-8E0C-4743-ADFC-BDBA21D0368E@wildskies.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Ducks & Geese Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:51:25 +0100 References: <20081005043006.32183.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48E9A38F.10101@gmail.com> <9CD0A169-8E0C-4743-ADFC-BDBA21D0368E@wildskies.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 18:51:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea421a8177350615338 Nicely done, Brent. Apart from the one with the bill cut off, I like them all. There's a creamy quality to them all. Chris On 6 Oct 2008, at 07:36, Brent wrote: > > Hi > > Was up early this morning, as per usual with daylight savings and our > 2 yr old daughter Lily. Took Lily for a walk down to the local park > (Morrison's Bay). Lily loves birds, so we stayed a while with the > ducks and geese. > > Had the OM Zuiko 75-150mm f4 on the Canon 350D body. I haven't had > much luck with this lens in the past, don't know if it's just me but > in the past the photos I've taken with it have seemed to lack a lot of > 'oomph'. > > Anyway, these ones have been NR'ed with NeatImage, sharpened, and > levels played with. > > http://homepage.mac.com/brent_rutherford/DucksAndGeese/ > > Brent ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 6 19:49:21 2008 Received: (qmail 23336 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 17:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 17:49:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325DAC2870; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:49:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:49:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BB4C2D75 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:49:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.89]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081006174904.ZINB1761.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:49:04 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIKAFbn6UhMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIgXq6boFq Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 06 Oct 2008 13:45:26 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:49:03 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Ducks & Geese From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Ducks & Geese Thread-Index: Ackn29HsEFNzCpPPEd2MdwAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <554F3AD7-033D-4428-AF59-E9C4050530DD@threeshoes.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 6 19:49:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea4fa1326921585427447 On 10/6/08 12:51 PM, "Chris Barker" wrote: > ... There's a creamy quality to them all. Agreed ...although with the ducks I thought it might be a white wine sauce. Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 00:58:10 2008 Received: (qmail 5548 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 22:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 22:58:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E193BC2FB3; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 00:57:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:57:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpoutw.mac.com (smtpoutw.mac.com [17.250.248.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EF2C2FF6 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 00:57:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail034 (webmail034-s [10.13.128.34]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw003/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m96Mvsoi006963 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:57:54 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-ID: <95535814343587443067060715580777562604-Webmail2@me.com> in-reply-to: <1B4178D3-E8FB-4B23-9E0D-6E7E20EF1D21@threeshoes.net> references: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> <1B4178D3-E8FB-4B23-9E0D-6E7E20EF1D21@threeshoes.net> Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 138.227.189.8, 195.54.111.68 Received: from [138.227.189.8] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:57:54 +0200 Received: from [ 195.54.111.68] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:57:54 +0200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jmalmstrom@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 00:58:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea9802208821470116606 Thank you Chris! Yes, I was home a for at least 3 days before coming here. I'll be home to our four weeks celebration :) / Johan On Monday, October 06, 2008, at 07:33AM, "Chris Barker" wrote: > >Congratulations, Johan. May you both be happy all your days. The >photographs are excellent! > >Presumably that happened while you were still at home, not in the USA. > >Chris > >On 6 Oct 2008, at 05:15, Johan Malmström wrote: > >> >> Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now >> wife and I'm the husband. >> >> My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put >> up some photos for display, this being the last: >> http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk > > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 01:09:11 2008 Received: (qmail 11512 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 23:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 23:09:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5995BC2E86; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:08:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:08:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpoutw.mac.com (smtpoutw.mac.com [17.250.248.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348BDC32CD for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:08:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail034 (webmail034-s [10.13.128.34]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw002/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m96N8tUs003621 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:08:55 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-ID: <122253147607430205886946068592836363448-Webmail2@me.com> in-reply-to: <16496943.21451223285614777.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> references: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> <16496943.21451223285614777.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 138.227.189.8, 195.54.111.68 Received: from [138.227.189.8] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:08:55 +0200 Received: from [ 195.54.111.68] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:08:55 +0200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jmalmstrom@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 01:09:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea9a97117101234514069 Thank you for your thoughts! And best wishes to you too! / johan On Monday, October 06, 2008, at 11:25AM, "Dawid Loubser" wrote: > >Congratulations, Johan! > >May the rest of your life together be filled with happiness, and - >when things are not so happy - with understanding, respect, and patience >until they are happy again. > >I am getting married end of January next year (2009), and in the mean >time >my fianceé and I are having a good time restoring a 1961 Mercedes-Benz >220S Fintail ourselves, with the hope of it doing duty as wedding >coach :-) > >I maintain a blog with photos on this little project, if anybody is >interested in >this sort of thing: http://fintail-restoration.blogspot.com/ > >best of wishes, >Dawid > >On 06 Oct 2008, at 6:15 AM, Johan Malmström wrote: > >> >> >> Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now >> wife and I'm the husband. >> >> My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put >> up some photos for display, this being the last: >> http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk >> >> Enjoy! / Johan - Still in Soda Spring, Idaho >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 01:13:30 2008 Received: (qmail 607 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 23:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 23:13:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A5DC365F; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:13:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:13:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpoutw.mac.com (smtpoutw.mac.com [17.250.248.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D110C3613 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:13:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail034 (webmail034-s [10.13.128.34]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw002/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m96NDEZF004537 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:13:14 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-ID: <66844872577459561869455758491740180076-Webmail2@me.com> in-reply-to: <48E9E0D9.7020500@gmail.com> references: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> <48E9E0D9.7020500@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 138.227.189.8, 195.54.111.68 Received: from [138.227.189.8] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:13:14 +0200 Received: from [ 195.54.111.68] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:13:14 +0200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jmalmstrom@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 01:13:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea9b9a288291234514069 Thank you! We wanted a really old looking style photo, for fun, and I think the result is very good. And Anna is of course beautiful every day, me, I'm back to the old me. :) / Johan On Monday, October 06, 2008, at 11:56AM, "montsnmags@gmail.com" wrote: >Johan Malmström wrote: >> >> Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna > > is now wife and I'm the husband. > >Congratulations to you both! > >> My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he > > has put up some photos for display, this being the last: >> http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk > >Hey, I quite like that. The formality and the toning and the "dormer"(?) >setting...yeah, your friend, Gert, did a nice job with that (well, as >far as I can see, though I bet it's nice in larger form too). Primarily, >though, you both look beautiful (especially Anna, of course :-) ). > >Cheers, >Marc >Noosa Heads, Oz >http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 01:16:55 2008 Received: (qmail 7664 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 23:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 23:16:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816CEC36DB; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:16:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:16:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpoutw.mac.com (smtpoutw.mac.com [17.250.248.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4945C347E for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:16:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail034 (webmail034-s [10.13.128.34]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw002/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m96NGfNT005237 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:16:41 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-ID: <143237875529257847205957317289063322894-Webmail2@me.com> in-reply-to: references: Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 138.227.189.8, 195.54.111.68 Received: from [138.227.189.8] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:16:41 +0200 Received: from [ 195.54.111.68] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:16:41 +0200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jmalmstrom@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 01:16:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea9c67162161744846740 Thanks Jim! Ohh that reminds me, one of our yellow friends from Fluke don't do Amps any more. I think it had to much of it, the other day :) / Johan On Monday, October 06, 2008, at 03:14PM, "Timpe, Jim" wrote: > >Congratulations. > >-----Original Message----- >From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Johan Malmström >Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 9:16 PM >To: olympus@ml.free.fr List >Subject: [OM] There is now a wife! > > > > >Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now wife and I'm the husband. > >My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put up some photos for display, this being the last: >http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk > >Enjoy! / Johan - Still in Soda Spring, Idaho > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== > > >This message (including any attachments) contains confidential >and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. >Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on >the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may >constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended >recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to >this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you >have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender >immediately. >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 01:18:51 2008 Received: (qmail 28621 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 23:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 23:18:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DCAC35E5; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:18:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:18:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpoutw.mac.com (smtpoutw.mac.com [17.250.248.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99560C36C3 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:18:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail034 (webmail034-s [10.13.128.34]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw003/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m96NIbo6013507 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:18:37 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-ID: <36495154768938602679372121728087305191-Webmail2@me.com> in-reply-to: <48EA2425.2000304@verizon.net> references: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> <48EA2425.2000304@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 138.227.189.8, 195.54.111.68 Received: from [138.227.189.8] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:18:37 +0200 Received: from [ 195.54.111.68] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:18:37 +0200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jmalmstrom@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 01:18:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea9cdb251902070262475 Thank you John. / Johan On Monday, October 06, 2008, at 04:43PM, "John Hermanson" wrote: > >Congratulations, Johan! > >___________________________________ >John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net >Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > >Johan Malmström wrote: >> >> Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now >> wife and I'm the husband. >> >> My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put >> up some photos for display, this being the last: >> http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk >> >> Enjoy! / Johan - Still in Soda Spring, Idaho >> >> ============================================== List usage info: >> http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: >> olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 01:22:18 2008 Received: (qmail 3069 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 23:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 23:22:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E090C3439; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:22:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:22:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpoutw.mac.com (smtpoutw.mac.com [17.250.248.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837E8C362E for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:20:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail034 (webmail034-s [10.13.128.34]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw002/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m96NKIHT007373 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:20:18 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-ID: <147370792658116455416702038013607737535-Webmail2@me.com> in-reply-to: <208434.29008.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> references: <208434.29008.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 138.227.189.8, 195.54.111.68 Received: from [138.227.189.8] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:20:18 +0200 Received: from [ 195.54.111.68] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:20:18 +0200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jmalmstrom@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 01:22:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea9daa304941234514069 Actually, to be honest. I think I saw that decline coming with the arrival of kids. Thank you! On Monday, October 06, 2008, at 04:46PM, "AS" wrote: > > >Congrats! > >You will quickly note a decline in photo equipment purchases! 8-)) > > > >--- On Mon, 10/6/08, Johan Malmström wrote: > >> From: Johan Malmström >> Subject: [OM] There is now a wife! >> To: "olympus@ml.free.fr List" >> Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 12:15 AM >> Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, >> Anna is now wife and I'm the husband. >> >> My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he >> has put up some photos for display, this being the last: >> http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk >> >> Enjoy! / Johan - Still in Soda Spring, Idaho >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 01:23:30 2008 Received: (qmail 17086 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 23:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 23:23:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FCD3C2AB7; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:23:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:23:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpoutw.mac.com (smtpoutw.mac.com [17.250.248.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F532C2C43 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:21:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail034 (webmail034-s [10.13.128.34]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw002/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m96NLIHI008698 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:21:17 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-ID: <54776375712366611118053334820082038986-Webmail2@me.com> in-reply-to: references: Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 138.227.189.8, 195.54.111.68 Received: from [138.227.189.8] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:21:17 +0200 Received: from [ 195.54.111.68] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:21:17 +0200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jmalmstrom@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 01:23:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea9df290562336821329 Might be so! :) / Johan On Monday, October 06, 2008, at 04:59PM, "Timpe, Jim" wrote: > >Or those readily admitted to at least. > >-----Original Message----- >From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of AS >Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:47 AM >To: olympus@ml.free.fr >Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! > > > > >Congrats! > >You will quickly note a decline in photo equipment purchases! 8-)) > > > >--- On Mon, 10/6/08, Johan Malmström wrote: > >> From: Johan Malmström >> Subject: [OM] There is now a wife! >> To: "olympus@ml.free.fr List" >> Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 12:15 AM >> Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, >> Anna is now wife and I'm the husband. >> >> My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put up >> some photos for display, this being the last: >> http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk >> >> Enjoy! / Johan - Still in Soda Spring, Idaho >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== > > >This message (including any attachments) contains confidential >and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. >Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on >the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may >constitute a violation of law. 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If you >have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender >immediately. >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 01:26:01 2008 Received: (qmail 6911 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 23:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 23:26:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BAAC2935; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:25:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:25:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpoutw.mac.com (smtpoutw.mac.com [17.250.248.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4BFC2C74 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:25:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail034 (webmail034-s [10.13.128.34]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw003/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m96NPkKV017402 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:25:46 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-ID: <45415781119847376117655572214610908016-Webmail2@me.com> in-reply-to: <14883a8b0810060810x7c352649id8fd9e2c32c05b6f@mail.gmail.com> references: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> <14883a8b0810060810x7c352649id8fd9e2c32c05b6f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 138.227.189.8, 195.54.111.68 Received: from [138.227.189.8] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:25:46 +0200 Received: from [ 195.54.111.68] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:25:46 +0200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jmalmstrom@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 01:26:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea9e89172881838542571 Thank you Charlie. / Johan On Monday, October 06, 2008, at 05:10PM, "Charles Geilfuss" wrote: > >Well done guys. Best of luck and happiness to you. > >Charlie > >On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Johan Malmström wrote: > >> >> >> Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now wife and >> I'm the husband. >> >> My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put up some >> photos for display, this being the last: >> http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk >> >> Enjoy! / Johan - Still in Soda Spring, Idaho >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 01:26:30 2008 Received: (qmail 23765 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 23:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 23:26:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE2BC2F74; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:26:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:26:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.70]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD39C2F3D for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:26:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KmzSz-0002Ah-00 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:26:18 -0400 Message-ID: <48EA9E9C.4050508@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:26:20 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story References: <208434.29008.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <41B6BDD408E1419EAB85EE7C1155E95B@SueHome> In-Reply-To: <41B6BDD408E1419EAB85EE7C1155E95B@SueHome> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081006-0, 10/06/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 01:26:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ea9ea675121744846740 Bill, Interesting piece. I knew that KR was nearing the end, but had no idea that Dwayne's was the only processor left. Jim Couch Sue Pearce wrote: > I've been seeing a lot lately about the possible demise of Kodachrome, and > apparently a local TV guy has too. Here's the link to the text of this > week's installment of "Hatteberg's People" that interviews the owner of > Dwayne's. > http://www.kake.com/hattebergpeople/headlines/30496989.html > > Of particular interest is the statement "We're probably doing over a > thousand rolls of Kodachrome every day." > At that rate, the end can't be too far off. > > Bill Pearce > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 03:50:57 2008 Received: (qmail 15595 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 01:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 01:50:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CDBCC3497; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 03:50:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:50:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.63]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F172C3396 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 03:50:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3393 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2008 01:50:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=OkAStoEgafZu9rsBBXl0vfkPdYUDo7N2KQAX/KKkFgcmHHz8zx8KZc7NsaoB83+g3G+6MhqsSi2fzc0fi7EYB6MGoSRn4A9pmxibpuYPoIdIyA2b0e17U6JaErCX98XsGkmFY9gaW/GS3hgKka8C476Z71obyRaCOfyUy53iqDs=; X-YMail-OSG: FbUW3aEVM1npB0ysapV4yY1.2PmGCmj84QalIJT7I6OjhAKpXbkTMxEGwqx._ien2Zj0nIasvbCRlkaivFS_VksETTSv4DuiOSevHJxhbqtqKFShnr_Kqh7cqz6w1JzCXXZTTA-- Received: from [72.75.195.127] by web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:50:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:50:32 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Looking for a flash that accepts a Sync cord To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48EA9E9C.4050508@spokeandsprocket.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <198170.2978.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 03:50:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eac081149271257536491 I am looking for a flash that accepts a PC cord, if you have one which is collecting dust - would appreciate it. Nothing elaborate or high end....just something to use with a rangefinder. Willing to trade a T20 or Viv 550fd. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 04:08:39 2008 Received: (qmail 6745 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 02:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 02:08:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05179C2EF9; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 04:08:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:08:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE147C2EDE for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 04:08:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so1971963fge.11 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3VzeWgLIoaN0PVWQmo9knLhL4/IBxrDp+ehbD34+pX0=; b=XcKVx91WcVc/uICq0v79Fz+lFR5GBYXLv9w7TBbzYdmhko9LMtrythFpd/9pTkvBmn JosY93h4VuqUhI3oPocVqKFiglXP9vCV5Xbw3eJ4A/sip/f8zY0Q6oIbWkmZE2SiKGWp B13mAxovxFfMXj/goUvA5KVBx0b4xFxM2GGVg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=ggwn5E6OIhSGPXnDLWrYDuoBaUdlmwZjn1yAzn2oKgmlDmSvjHIq/9Lw0/Dv7AJZmB smLY7Ai+QmssLTjiN8LBmlf+g+SuanuQKQqdV2yBiphwYMPbTWFXdmgMsgtlG5Cw2TZE 6V/Hy6lkF2FDoXpoZM5C7132yKsd74HlFTAAM= Received: by 10.181.21.6 with SMTP id y6mr4345409bki.50.1223345307603; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.28.8 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:08:27 -0600 From: "Mark Marr-Lyon" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC In-Reply-To: <23723553.21441223285210180.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48E4FFED.7040601@verizon.net> <48E7E6BD.3040909@gmail.com> <23723553.21441223285210180.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mark.marrlyon@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 04:08:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eac4a7289282336821329 Dawid, No, unfortunately I don't have a 24/2.0. I tested both the 21/2.0 and 28/2.0 but neither of them are the early silver-nosed versions. I will be interested to hear how the UV treatment does. I admit to being skeptical, but as you say there's nothing to lose by trying. Mark. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 3:18 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > > Mark, > > You didn't happen to test a early-serial-number 24/2.0 ? > I am still trying to get my hands on a geiger counter, > an in the meantime, am trying the UV-light (from the sun) therapy, > as I have nothing to lose. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 04:46:33 2008 Received: (qmail 24264 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 02:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 02:46:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C416AC3257; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 04:46:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:46:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50061C2E3D for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 04:46:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.c09.48f5a08c (34920) for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA035-886848eacd7a35e; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:46:18 -0400 Received: from FWM-D12 (fwm-d12.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.204]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA036-5c5848eacd70307; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:46:08 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:46:08 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by FWM-D12.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.204) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:46:08 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF63DFC6945D6-D9C-2CFE@FWM-D12.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 04:46:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eacd89326331342116753 Congrats Johan, Gert appears quite capable, though he had great starting material. Good luck with the Mercedes project as well. Best wishes for all your endeavors to run smoothly. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 05:09:25 2008 Received: (qmail 10628 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 03:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 03:09:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3F0C2DBA; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 05:09:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:09:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4EFC2D73 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 05:09:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 11E9FD6B0G for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:09:11 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:08:21 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! thread-index: AckoCaOnM23ZWr1STGO7E4OcVMRTwwAIFCYB References: <143237875529257847205957317289063322894-Webmail2@me.com> From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2008 03:09:11.0626 (UTC) FILETIME=[12396AA0:01C9282A] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 05:09:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ead2e5266031823421471 That's a fused input on most Fl meters. ________________________________ From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr on behalf of Johan Malmström Sent: Mon 10/6/2008 4:16 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! Thanks Jim! Ohh that reminds me, one of our yellow friends from Fluke don't do Amps any more. I think it had to much of it, the other day :) / Johan On Monday, October 06, 2008, at 03:14PM, "Timpe, Jim" wrote: > >Congratulations. > >-----Original Message----- >From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Johan Malmström >Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 9:16 PM >To: olympus@ml.free.fr List >Subject: [OM] There is now a wife! > > > > >Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now wife and I'm the husband. > >My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put up some photos for display, this being the last: >http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk > >Enjoy! / Johan - Still in Soda Spring, Idaho > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== > > >This message (including any attachments) contains confidential >and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. >Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on >the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may >constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended >recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to >this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. 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I'll even take your next roll of Kodachrome to Dwaynes myself. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "AS" To: Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: [OM] Looking for a flash that accepts a Sync cord I am looking for a flash that accepts a PC cord, if you have one which is collecting dust - would appreciate it. Nothing elaborate or high end....just something to use with a rangefinder. Willing to trade a T20 or Viv 550fd. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1711 - Release Date: 10/6/2008 5:37 PM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 05:32:02 2008 Received: (qmail 28876 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 03:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 03:32:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B916BC3236; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 05:31:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:31:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpoutw.mac.com (smtpoutw.mac.com [17.250.248.179]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DEEBC329B for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 05:31:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail003 (webmail003-s [10.13.128.3]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw004/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m973VlRG014823 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:31:46 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-ID: <138637382234449342243069969703276011670-Webmail2@me.com> in-reply-to: references: <143237875529257847205957317289063322894-Webmail2@me.com> Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.128.237.252, 82.96.58.42 Received: from [216.128.237.252] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:31:46 +0200 Received: from [ 82.96.58.42] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:31:46 +0200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jmalmstrom@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 05:32:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ead832281137350615338 Oh yes :) We had two more so we where safe. Just shifted them around. On Tuesday, October 07, 2008, at 05:08AM, "Timpe, Jim" wrote: > >That's a fused input on most Fl meters. > >________________________________ > >From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr on behalf of Johan Malmström >Sent: Mon 10/6/2008 4:16 PM >To: olympus@ml.free.fr >Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! > > > > >Thanks Jim! > >Ohh that reminds me, one of our yellow friends from Fluke don't do Amps any more. I think it had to much of it, the other day :) > >/ Johan >On Monday, October 06, 2008, at 03:14PM, "Timpe, Jim" wrote: >> >>Congratulations. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Johan Malmström >>Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 9:16 PM >>To: olympus@ml.free.fr List >>Subject: [OM] There is now a wife! >> >> >> >> >>Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now wife and I'm the husband. >> >>My dear friend Gert was the designated photographer, and he has put up some photos for display, this being the last: >>http://tinyurl.com/48v6kk >> >>Enjoy! / Johan - Still in Soda Spring, Idaho >> >>============================================== >>List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>============================================== >> >> >>This message (including any attachments) contains confidential >>and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. >>Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on >>the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may >>constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended >>recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to >>this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. 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(moose@71.139.193.15) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Oct 2008 04:02:50 -0000 Message-ID: <48EADF5E.4010309@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:02:38 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff References: <48E77DAA.1060907@verizon.net> <48E7EAE1.70309@gmail.com> <48EA2388.5000902@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48EA2388.5000902@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 06:03:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eadf77145934673671140 John Hermanson wrote: > .... I've got the E-500 set to save raw and shq and am really enjoying Raw Therapee (major 2.4 release could be out soon). Nothing on the v2.4 page has changed since July. Any other indicator that it might be nigh? > My only concern is saving lots of images at 47 megs apiece. > That's small, from my perspective. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 06:49:40 2008 Received: (qmail 23649 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 04:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 04:49:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D54DC34E2; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:49:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:49:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E474AC308A for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:49:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852A01BC0E5E for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:49:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qw9dHQHtdiTm for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DAA1BC0E44 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081007014029.DDA80C3229@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:49:19 -0700 References: <20081007014029.DDA80C3229@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 06:49:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eaea64287069347015869 I think one thing is safe to say: people will passionately argue either way, based upon the scantiest of totally subjective opinion. :::: If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. -- Richard Dawkins :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 07:00:31 2008 Received: (qmail 32125 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 05:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:00:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C076C370E; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:00:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:00:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3130BC3719 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:00:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 55.red-81-35-76.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.35.76.55]:64110 helo=[192.168.2.101]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Kn4gD-0002UW-1q (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:00:18 +0000 Message-Id: <3D5FBF0A-7E7E-4B6B-ACC7-38D6C179F3E8@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:00:15 +0200 References: <20081007014029.DDA80C3229@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 07:00:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eaecef304483675314703 Richard Dawkins, my religious guru, wrote the gibberish below? Do you know where the quote is from? Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:49 AM, Jan Steinman wrote: > > :::: If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will > automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural > state of starvation and misery is restored. -- Richard Dawkins :::: > : ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 07:04:53 2008 Received: (qmail 28699 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 05:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:04:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40A7C3681; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:04:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:04:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.25]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25238C36F1 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:04:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail.snap.net.nz (vasilli.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.16]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2733DA0AD; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:04:37 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:04:37 +1300 From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] A successor to my E1 Message-ID: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> X-Sender: bj@caverock.net.nz X-Username: bj@caverock.net.nz Received: from 210-54-199-101.dialup.xtra.co.nz [210.54.199.101] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:04:37 +1300 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1-rc2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bj@caverock.net.nz Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 07:04:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eaedf5170201234514069 Hello all, I'm probably asking something that has been well covered in digests over the last year, and I confess to having saved but not read many of them. I enjoy using my E1, and it has been a great introduction to digital photography. BUT (and there has to be a 'but' in a contribution such as this), I am increasingly dis-satisfied at what I can get out of it when doing landscape photography. Having, at the ripe age of 70 (just attained), come into some money after being bought out of the former family home, I am considering up-grading. The lens I have on my E1 is the budget 14-45mm DZ zoom that came with it, and sometimes I use some of the large collection of manual Zuikos that I have. So probably I could get a sharper DZ lens (or two). But I find that there is not nearly enough detail in my tripod shots, so here I am asking. The E3 has 10 MP, but I have heard that it is not very good at higher ISO settings (like the E1). An Olympus technician I know has a Canon digital for these reasons, though he does use some Zuiko lenses on it. What suggestions / comment do you have? All advice will be gratefully received!! Brian Swale ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 07:19:15 2008 Received: (qmail 24087 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 05:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:19:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99E0C364E; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:19:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:19:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F521C2915 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:19:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m975J110065253 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:19:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id m975IJAb073455 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:18:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m976M1TU010805 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:22:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200810070622.m976M1TU010805@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:17:25 -0700 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Richard Man Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 In-Reply-To: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> References: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 5.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 1818284 - 5e2b356eff32 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: richard-lists@imagecraft.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 07:19:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eaf153212081744846740 Hi Brian old friend! E-3 up to 1200 is very clean. Absolutely no problem at all. 1600 is fine too if you run a de-noise filter. Besides you are shooting landscapes on a tripod! How high ISO do you plan to use? :-) At 10:04 PM 10/6/2008, bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: >... >The E3 has 10 MP, but I have heard that it is not very good at higher ISO >settings (like the E1). > // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 07:23:19 2008 Received: (qmail 12617 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 05:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:23:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA640C2D3F; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:23:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:23:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E488C2F40 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:23:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79ACB46157D for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:38:18 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <010889BE-A2E8-4142-9D41-88F7334293E3@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:23:06 +0100 References: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 07:23:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eaf24722791993019900 Hi Brian Congratulations for your 70th! I bought an E-3 to replace my E-1 and I am very happy with it. I also changed my 14-54 for the 12-60, also a very good piece of kit. I have heard that the 14-45 is on the mediocre side, so I would change that anyway. But the E-3 is a bit larger and heavier than the E-1 so you might wish to consider the E-520; with the 14-42 kit lens (rather good) it's a bit lighter and smaller as an ensemble than the E-3 with 14-54 or 12-60 (and cheaper). As far as noise at high ISO is concerned, you will find that the E-3 and E-520 are much better than the E-1, although I had no particular problem with the E-1. But also, as Jan Steinman observed a few days ago, with image stabilisation, the results from lower shutter speeds are excellent; there is less need to go to higher ISOs. In fact I have not gone above ISO 800 recently. Finally, I have the 35 Macro and 50-200 DZ lenses, but I use the 12-60 almost exclusively, such is the range of focal lengths and its close- up capability. If you have a broadband connection I should be happy to send you a couple of RAW files for you to look at. Cheers Chris On 7 Oct 2008, at 06:04, wrote: > I'm probably asking something that has been well covered in digests > over > the last year, and I confess to having saved but not read many of > them. > > I enjoy using my E1, and it has been a great introduction to digital > photography. BUT (and there has to be a 'but' in a contribution > such as > this), I am increasingly dis-satisfied at what I can get out of it > when > doing landscape photography. > > Having, at the ripe age of 70 (just attained), come into some money > after > being bought out of the former family home, I am considering up- > grading. > > The lens I have on my E1 is the budget 14-45mm DZ zoom that came > with it, > and sometimes I use some of the large collection of manual Zuikos > that I > have. So probably I could get a sharper DZ lens (or two). > > But I find that there is not nearly enough detail in my tripod > shots, so > here I am asking. > > The E3 has 10 MP, but I have heard that it is not very good at > higher ISO > settings (like the E1). > > An Olympus technician I know has a Canon digital for these reasons, > though > he does use some Zuiko lenses on it. > > What suggestions / comment do you have? > > All advice will be gratefully received!! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 07:26:13 2008 Received: (qmail 31469 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 05:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:26:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B90C37FC; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:25:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:25:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4665C36C6 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:25:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2336646155C for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:40:44 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4DF2150F-2D67-46A4-9B2D-CB9861D87B9F@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <16496943.21451223285614777.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:25:32 +0100 References: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> <16496943.21451223285614777.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 07:26:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eaf2f569957927319144 That's a great project, Dawid. I am impressed not only that you are able to restore such a lovely old car but also that you and your intended can do it together. I'm not sure that my wife and I could ever have collaborated on such a project, even if I had had a clue about it ... :-) Oh, and good luck getting it all together -- car, wedding, honeymoon etc ... Chris On 6 Oct 2008, at 10:25, Dawid Loubser wrote: > > Congratulations, Johan! > > May the rest of your life together be filled with happiness, and - > when things are not so happy - with understanding, respect, and > patience > until they are happy again. > > I am getting married end of January next year (2009), and in the mean > time > my fianceé and I are having a good time restoring a 1961 Mercedes-Benz > 220S Fintail ourselves, with the hope of it doing duty as wedding > coach :-) > > I maintain a blog with photos on this little project, if anybody is > interested in > this sort of thing: http://fintail-restoration.blogspot.com/ ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 07:27:43 2008 Received: (qmail 18517 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 05:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:27:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F755C3680; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:27:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:27:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4105AC3355 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:27:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E235C46155C for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:42:43 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <911B9867-1AFA-4DEF-8885-2A3E0B197540@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <3D5FBF0A-7E7E-4B6B-ACC7-38D6C179F3E8@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:27:31 +0100 References: <20081007014029.DDA80C3229@ml.free.fr> <3D5FBF0A-7E7E-4B6B-ACC7-38D6C179F3E8@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 07:27:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eaf34f297182046811720 Your religious guru, Nathan? That must be a good bit of irony :-) I don't think he's worth having as a guru of anything by what I've seen of him on the telly. He seems to me to be an academic out to make more of a name for himself. Chris On 7 Oct 2008, at 06:00, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > Richard Dawkins, my religious guru, wrote the gibberish below? > Do you know where the quote is from? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 07:34:13 2008 Received: (qmail 9355 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 05:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:34:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72C4C3619; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:34:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:34:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com (nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.168.143]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08AFC3274 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:34:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.182.118.16]) by nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20081007053358.UZPN1803.nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 05:33:58 +0000 Received: from simon ([124.182.118.16]) by nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20081007053355.WJEN3509.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@simon> for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 05:33:55 +0000 From: "john adam architect" To: Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:03:43 +0930 Message-ID: <001f01c92846$a92955d0$0c01a8c0@simon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <010889BE-A2E8-4142-9D41-88F7334293E3@threeshoes.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 thread-index: AckoPNaUkJNQNzGQSsCV6FfNQLWypwACQcMg X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150205.48EAF4C6.0069,ss=1,fgs=0 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: john@johnadam.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 07:34:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eaf4d5218961838542571 E3 is excellent. The lens I use for landscape is the ZD 7~14mm f4. it creates dramatic images at the 7mm end and more classic at the 14mm end and at iso 100 f8 on a tripod is very very very sharp. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Chris Barker Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2008 2:53 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 Hi Brian Congratulations for your 70th! I bought an E-3 to replace my E-1 and I am very happy with it. I also changed my 14-54 for the 12-60, also a very good piece of kit. I have heard that the 14-45 is on the mediocre side, so I would change that anyway. But the E-3 is a bit larger and heavier than the E-1 so you might wish to consider the E-520; with the 14-42 kit lens (rather good) it's a bit lighter and smaller as an ensemble than the E-3 with 14-54 or 12-60 (and cheaper). As far as noise at high ISO is concerned, you will find that the E-3 and E-520 are much better than the E-1, although I had no particular problem with the E-1. But also, as Jan Steinman observed a few days ago, with image stabilisation, the results from lower shutter speeds are excellent; there is less need to go to higher ISOs. In fact I have not gone above ISO 800 recently. Finally, I have the 35 Macro and 50-200 DZ lenses, but I use the 12-60 almost exclusively, such is the range of focal lengths and its close- up capability. If you have a broadband connection I should be happy to send you a couple of RAW files for you to look at. Cheers Chris On 7 Oct 2008, at 06:04, wrote: > I'm probably asking something that has been well covered in digests > over > the last year, and I confess to having saved but not read many of > them. > > I enjoy using my E1, and it has been a great introduction to digital > photography. BUT (and there has to be a 'but' in a contribution > such as > this), I am increasingly dis-satisfied at what I can get out of it > when > doing landscape photography. > > Having, at the ripe age of 70 (just attained), come into some money > after > being bought out of the former family home, I am considering up- > grading. > > The lens I have on my E1 is the budget 14-45mm DZ zoom that came > with it, > and sometimes I use some of the large collection of manual Zuikos > that I > have. So probably I could get a sharper DZ lens (or two). > > But I find that there is not nearly enough detail in my tripod > shots, so > here I am asking. > > The E3 has 10 MP, but I have heard that it is not very good at > higher ISO > settings (like the E1). > > An Olympus technician I know has a Canon digital for these reasons, > though > he does use some Zuiko lenses on it. > > What suggestions / comment do you have? > > All advice will be gratefully received!! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 07:39:36 2008 Received: (qmail 5151 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 05:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:39:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAF9C2C6E; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:39:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:39:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id A14E6C2B9F for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:39:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17764 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 05:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.180.106) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:39:19 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <911B9867-1AFA-4DEF-8885-2A3E0B197540@threeshoes.net> References: <20081007014029.DDA80C3229@ml.free.fr> <3D5FBF0A-7E7E-4B6B-ACC7-38D6C179F3E8@frozenlight.eu> <911B9867-1AFA-4DEF-8885-2A3E0B197540@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <8C943A8C-90FD-4359-A70A-07C527A1C758@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:39:15 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 07:39:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eaf618316281499373980 How DARE you. It'd be hard to imagine that he could make any more of a name for himself, even before the recent God stuff. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/10/2008, at 4:27 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > I don't think he's worth having as a guru of anything by what I've > seen of him on the telly. He seems to me to be an academic out to > make more of a name for himself. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 07:42:27 2008 Received: (qmail 15122 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 05:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:42:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F90CC2867; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:42:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:42:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B689C2F19 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:42:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18225 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 05:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.180.106) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:42:12 -0000 In-Reply-To: <41B6BDD408E1419EAB85EE7C1155E95B@SueHome> References: <208434.29008.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <41B6BDD408E1419EAB85EE7C1155E95B@SueHome> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <901731B3-7757-4C3E-83CE-5E7E15F93E52@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:42:08 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 07:42:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eaf6c3233982070262475 Hmmmm - they ain't too literate in Kansas, huh? "And also with a photographer who understood what an important roll that film played in our history." Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/10/2008, at 2:04 AM, Sue Pearce wrote: > I've been seeing a lot lately about the possible demise of > Kodachrome, and > apparently a local TV guy has too. Here's the link to the text of this > week's installment of "Hatteberg's People" that interviews the > owner of > Dwayne's. > http://www.kake.com/hattebergpeople/headlines/30496989.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 07:54:12 2008 Received: (qmail 24782 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 05:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:54:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1145AC33AD; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:54:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:54:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FFDC33A3 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:54:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851E14615B9 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:09:12 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <87362E92-21CB-4BAD-8AA1-C9CE2A8996F2@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <8C943A8C-90FD-4359-A70A-07C527A1C758@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:54:00 +0100 References: <20081007014029.DDA80C3229@ml.free.fr> <3D5FBF0A-7E7E-4B6B-ACC7-38D6C179F3E8@frozenlight.eu> <911B9867-1AFA-4DEF-8885-2A3E0B197540@threeshoes.net> <8C943A8C-90FD-4359-A70A-07C527A1C758@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 07:54:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eaf984263011234514069 Strange comment, Andrew, of course I dare ... I mean that he is petulant or strident in the programmes I have seen. He makes his points more by force of character than by apparently scientific process. I can't bear to watch or listen any more. I haven't seen any of his material "before the recent God stuff". Chris On 7 Oct 2008, at 06:39, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > How DARE you. It'd be hard to imagine that he could make any more of > a name for himself, even before the recent God stuff. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 07:55:54 2008 Received: (qmail 24434 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 05:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:55:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF96DC33FB; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:55:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:55:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1335C288F for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:55:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 55.red-81-35-76.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.35.76.55]:64188 helo=[192.168.2.101]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Kn5Xq-0005MT-2y (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:55:43 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <8C943A8C-90FD-4359-A70A-07C527A1C758@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:55:40 +0200 References: <20081007014029.DDA80C3229@ml.free.fr> <3D5FBF0A-7E7E-4B6B-ACC7-38D6C179F3E8@frozenlight.eu> <911B9867-1AFA-4DEF-8885-2A3E0B197540@threeshoes.net> <8C943A8C-90FD-4359-A70A-07C527A1C758@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 07:55:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eaf9ea10521234514069 Well, I read one of his books last year and found it to be a revelation of common sense and a devastating attack on ignorance and fundamentalism. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > How DARE you. It'd be hard to imagine that he could make any more of > a name for himself, even before the recent God stuff. > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 07/10/2008, at 4:27 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> I don't think he's worth having as a guru of anything by what I've >> seen of him on the telly. He seems to me to be an academic out to >> make more of a name for himself. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 08:05:13 2008 Received: (qmail 17373 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 06:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 06:05:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F812C2BEC; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:05:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:05:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 87CFDC372B for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:05:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28166 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 06:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.180.106) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 06:04:58 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <87362E92-21CB-4BAD-8AA1-C9CE2A8996F2@threeshoes.net> References: <20081007014029.DDA80C3229@ml.free.fr> <3D5FBF0A-7E7E-4B6B-ACC7-38D6C179F3E8@frozenlight.eu> <911B9867-1AFA-4DEF-8885-2A3E0B197540@threeshoes.net> <8C943A8C-90FD-4359-A70A-07C527A1C758@people.net.au> <87362E92-21CB-4BAD-8AA1-C9CE2A8996F2@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <16C22E0C-0021-430E-87E6-96A2BA00FC11@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:04:54 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 08:05:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eafc19222551257536491 The Selfish Gene The Blind Watchmaker Climbing Mt. Improbable Start reading! If he's strident, it's prolly because he's presently besieged by the religious, somewhat outraged by his latest work which rips into the idea of God, gods, whatever and has to be VERY assertive to survive. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm just off to see a talk by Bill Henson, about as controversial photographer as we get around here. Front page news for the last few days. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/10/2008, at 4:54 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > I mean that he is petulant or strident in the programmes I have seen. > He makes his points more by force of character than by apparently > scientific process. I can't bear to watch or listen any more. I > haven't seen any of his material "before the recent God stuff". ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 08:13:56 2008 Received: (qmail 7770 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 06:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 06:13:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E8EC37A5; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:13:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:13:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545B5C3A8D for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:12:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17152 invoked by uid 502); 7 Oct 2008 06:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.168.163) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Oct 2008 06:12:14 -0000 Message-ID: <48EAFDB9.4030701@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:12:09 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story References: <208434.29008.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <41B6BDD408E1419EAB85EE7C1155E95B@SueHome> <901731B3-7757-4C3E-83CE-5E7E15F93E52@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <901731B3-7757-4C3E-83CE-5E7E15F93E52@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 08:13:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eafe24139465368819438 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Hmmmm - they ain't too literate in Kansas, huh? > Or have tongue firmly in cheek. Moose > > "And also with a photographer who understood what an important roll that film played in our history." ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 08:20:47 2008 Received: (qmail 25747 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 06:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 06:20:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3413C3786; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:20:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:20:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5DCC3814 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:20:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814E8C9711 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:37:41 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <849373E8-2699-451B-B7BB-4D7A5A94C27A@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <16C22E0C-0021-430E-87E6-96A2BA00FC11@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:20:33 +0100 References: <20081007014029.DDA80C3229@ml.free.fr> <3D5FBF0A-7E7E-4B6B-ACC7-38D6C179F3E8@frozenlight.eu> <911B9867-1AFA-4DEF-8885-2A3E0B197540@threeshoes.net> <8C943A8C-90FD-4359-A70A-07C527A1C758@people.net.au> <87362E92-21CB-4BAD-8AA1-C9CE2A8996F2@threeshoes.net> <16C22E0C-0021-430E-87E6-96A2BA00FC11@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 08:20:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eaffbf73841744846740 I'll give one or other a go, Andrew, thanks. No, he attacks into his interviewees before they have had a chance to speak their piece. Indeed, he voices his preconceptions without any attempt at concealment in the interests of near-scientific assessment. Mind you, his assumption that there has to be some logic or scientific basis to religion is peculiarly misconcieved, in my view. It's also possible that, like many academics on telly, he has been directed to produce good television based on aggressive polemic or attempts to generate controversy, whether or not it is necessary in the circumstances. I think I'll say a prayer that he finds God himself, sooner or later. Chris On 7 Oct 2008, at 07:04, Andrew Fildes wrote: > The Selfish Gene > The Blind Watchmaker > Climbing Mt. Improbable > > Start reading! > If he's strident, it's prolly because he's presently besieged by the > religious, somewhat outraged by his latest work which rips into the > idea of God, gods, whatever and has to be VERY assertive to survive. > > Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm just off to see a talk by Bill Henson, > about as controversial photographer as we get around here. > Front page news for the last few days. > Andrew Fildes ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 08:51:04 2008 Received: (qmail 29308 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 06:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 06:51:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF47C2F01; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:50:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:50:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A2FC3123 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:50:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12533C9672 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:07:59 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <13ED0277-2E93-47EE-92DA-41454285F291@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48EAFDB9.4030701@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:50:51 +0100 References: <208434.29008.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <41B6BDD408E1419EAB85EE7C1155E95B@SueHome> <901731B3-7757-4C3E-83CE-5E7E15F93E52@people.net.au> <48EAFDB9.4030701@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 08:51:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb06d769301470116606 Heh! That's the last thing Andrew was expecting, perhaps: a play on words :-) Chris On 7 Oct 2008, at 07:12, Moose wrote: > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Hmmmm - they ain't too literate in Kansas, huh? >> > Or have tongue firmly in cheek. > > Moose >> >> "And also with a photographer who understood what an important roll >> that film played in our history." > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 08:55:14 2008 Received: (qmail 7592 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 06:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 06:55:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA22C2900; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:55:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:55:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055F5C2FE0 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:55:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m976t0gB069651 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:55:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id m976sFVx094569 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:54:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m977vwC0012801; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 00:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200810070757.m977vwC0012801@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:53:21 -0700 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, oly From: Richard Man Subject: [OM] Re: For sale In-Reply-To: <200809300534.m8U5YTwv046427@mail.imagecraft.com> References: <200809300534.m8U5YTwv046427@mail.imagecraft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 5.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 1818932 - aa70c913aaf5 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: richard-lists@imagecraft.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 08:55:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb07d241641591313764 The economic wheels are falling off the wagon, so I will accept any reasonable offers. I also have a T-10 ring flash, with the T control pack, ring cross POL filter and the 6V power pack. Make offer. Thanks. At 09:29 PM 9/29/2008, Richard Man wrote: >Well, with the economy tanking and bills to pay, it may become a >point where it no longer makes sense to keep these stuff around. S&H >around $10 CONUS, Express Mail to non-US. I have the following for >sale. They are all in excellent condition. The glass is clean. >Operationally excellent and photos available upon request. > >50/1.4 > 1 million serial #. $60. > >90/2 Zuiko $700. It pains me to even think about letting this go. I >have the Leica 90/2 AA and a few other lens around this focal length, >and you will not find a lens with more creamy buttery bokeh than this one. > >180/2.8 $700. with hard case. > >All 3 for $1300. > // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 09:57:13 2008 Received: (qmail 30559 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 07:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 07:57:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B46C2B25; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:57:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:57:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E932C349A for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:56:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-105-177-202.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.105.177.202]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m977ukFM014537 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:56:55 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:56:42 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <901731B3-7757-4C3E-83CE-5E7E15F93E52@people.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 thread-index: AckoP3xJedQA1CylRD+EPxGy++LAtgAEqbYg Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 09:57:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb1659168702070262475 > > "And also with a photographer who understood what an important roll > that film played in our history." > Maybe it was meant to be a pun ? ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 09:59:35 2008 Received: (qmail 29838 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 07:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 07:59:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FE1C364C; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:59:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:59:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88FFC3207 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:59:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-105-177-202.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.105.177.202]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m977xAof029858 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:59:20 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:59:07 +1100 Message-ID: <161B40E1371544DDB2CE4377A5E832DF@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <16C22E0C-0021-430E-87E6-96A2BA00FC11@people.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 thread-index: AckoQqp8FNfRx9O+Q9+0KgwF6oXarAAD7Zqw Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 09:59:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb16e711018512572685 > > Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm just off to see a talk by Bill Henson, > about as controversial photographer as we get around here. > Front page news for the last few days. Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > Please give us a report ! I wonder what will happen to that primary school principal ? ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 10:16:26 2008 Received: (qmail 22630 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 08:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 08:16:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825E1C300D; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:16:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:16:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA68C3A1B for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:16:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so152915uge.14 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:16:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wHg1m1LK2iniRG0H+ZAZkRMhhFjMFifbQs4hcQ8LGyU=; b=eRdi5bYtKsttwzit4pp+4EjN0SsTyfc1+fiQnBFJm4Ci4bkE0jvDrpduzo8pJS1Hv4 PNcxqvd2v+96MgqBPwoVW3unMav417VT/5m2beHg+GSIHE02llOw+NT98/4nZ88LdVHo UminxYkPFMJfpYr6SqZ911EUkZMUNoIwpdDUc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aePdVRtSIxdZ8UlRcEh0p/7MAumtXBb6cQPKmlYBneIAaTjosNjd1xQqulmHHYrdLj jQkbY8kJJTyjdS/4HKMqnc49fHEAJJ/nVErHBRbVtFDkq1nNPq5nhqquDN2W8oyn7mzw vY/9ApBEd7lvQrtCzfJoVg8BloV8P7RekSU0E= Received: by 10.103.223.20 with SMTP id a20mr3346368mur.86.1223367372311; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ianwmac.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y2sm20276555mug.2.2008.10.07.01.16.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48EB1ABC.3080308@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:15:56 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 References: <001f01c92846$a92955d0$0c01a8c0@simon> In-Reply-To: <001f01c92846$a92955d0$0c01a8c0@simon> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 10:16:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb1ada19351257536491 Hi Brian, I am torn by this, I have an E-3 which I am finding good, but I think you should also look at the canyon 5d II (or one) especially if you have some good old OM wideangles. The price on the canyons has dropped quite a bit and the mark one version can be bought here for the same as an E-3 The 7-14 however is a very special lens and I carry it with me pretty much all of the time which brings me to recommend saving your money on the 12-60 and get the 14-54, the main advantage of the 12-60 is at the wide end and as you will pretty much always have the 7-14mm with you the lighter weight of the 14-54 will help. I don't notice that the 12-60 sharper than the 14-54 although it does focus quicker and more reliably in the dark but I don't know if this is due to the E-3 as I sold my 14-54. I think though that things have reached "sufficiency" and that whatever you choose you will not make a mistake ;-) IanW >> >> An Olympus technician I know has a Canon digital for these reasons, >> though >> he does use some Zuiko lenses on it. >> >> What suggestions / comment do you have? >> >> All advice will be gratefully received!! >> > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 10:26:49 2008 Received: (qmail 2138 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 08:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 08:26:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC30C2AAC; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:26:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:26:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F6DC27FD for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:26:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so932887eyd.5 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:26:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5Ysb3l5sbpPWfP8KNG/ZkhXkIuTCyvgFwPrQ1fSALSI=; b=DVH36Kavs0GtjbXEWhWbXbHe4SB/SfYAm3lBjpXuV+KhMRqCHSm1dDotdj/tt28UY3 wyzqFxD/HFTqeM+5xKHBEmNXuC07u3Gs7R3P8beK2U7b46ciqNTGe9JtuxWTGJdujZ8f fb+zEYJBhO/Y9tIKCLYNa39lTfWNqO/F0HqGU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=huvh6BoaaJQI3TBCrSacQBHoO46fVAw7Rz1ES8RQRTrgTTFnhrsQ5l/vVfl+IhQx7L +ChAhSv7B0E2KgpIKseDz6jlcIiMGTf4zRMnz20gdNRW5HPHdwhGGJIPlvfKpEoTSQb7 UXZjNYn5YnS6DMzGDBYacnUxyOlVuNftMFAyk= Received: by 10.103.20.7 with SMTP id x7mr3345005mui.96.1223367997163; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ianwmac.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y6sm33112509mug.7.2008.10.07.01.26.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48EB1D3B.309@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:26:35 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] photo Example E-3 7-14mm at iso 800 - was Re: Re: A successor to my E1 References: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> <010889BE-A2E8-4142-9D41-88F7334293E3@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <010889BE-A2E8-4142-9D41-88F7334293E3@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 10:26:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb1d49185031993019900 Just to add to my recent post here to prove I carry the 7-14 is a picture from the weekend. http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/4685260_iEgiA#387295317_LZrqi-A-LB IanW ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 10:39:13 2008 Received: (qmail 28522 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 08:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 08:39:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425D9C35BC; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:39:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:39:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 12433C2AC4 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:39:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1339 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 08:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.180.106) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 08:38:58 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <13ED0277-2E93-47EE-92DA-41454285F291@threeshoes.net> References: <208434.29008.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <41B6BDD408E1419EAB85EE7C1155E95B@SueHome> <901731B3-7757-4C3E-83CE-5E7E15F93E52@people.net.au> <48EAFDB9.4030701@gmail.com> <13ED0277-2E93-47EE-92DA-41454285F291@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <06B75EAF-4551-45A4-919C-A1A3A029A4C7@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:38:53 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 10:39:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb2031242942070262475 Nah - I read the rest of it. A tangle of syntax errors. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/10/2008, at 5:50 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > > Heh! That's the last thing Andrew was expecting, perhaps: a play on > words :-) > > Chris > > On 7 Oct 2008, at 07:12, Moose wrote: > >> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>> Hmmmm - they ain't too literate in Kansas, huh? >>> >> Or have tongue firmly in cheek. >> >> Moose >>> >>> "And also with a photographer who understood what an important roll >>> that film played in our history." >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 10:40:03 2008 Received: (qmail 20677 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 08:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 08:40:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A715AC2AC4; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:39:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:39:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AC2CC2FCC for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:39:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1385 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 08:39:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.180.106) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 08:39:49 -0000 In-Reply-To: <161B40E1371544DDB2CE4377A5E832DF@meo.dec.com> References: <161B40E1371544DDB2CE4377A5E832DF@meo.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:39:44 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 10:40:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb2063155811234514069 Got there (Monash Gallery) to find that it'd been postponed by two weeks. Wonder why? :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/10/2008, at 6:59 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > >> >> Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm just off to see a talk by Bill Henson, >> about as controversial photographer as we get around here. >> Front page news for the last few days. Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> > > Please give us a report ! > > I wonder what will happen to that primary school principal ? > > ...Wayne > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 10:56:17 2008 Received: (qmail 7136 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 08:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 08:56:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9603CC3B44; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:55:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:55:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D733C3A1B for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:55:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-20-12.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.20.12]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m978tAP5019795 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:55:19 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:55:07 +1100 Message-ID: <4CA2723C730F47AD94B2E721E35AD60A@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 thread-index: AckoWEvBqAtrwGG9Q7qVGdF3J3LWmAAAaKiA Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 10:56:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb2431301971023412894 > > Got there (Monash Gallery) to find that it'd been postponed by two > weeks. Wonder why? :-) > Andrew Fildes I wouldn't be surprised if it was postponed indefinitely ! Geez, all these years I could've had Angela acting as a "talent scout" for me - never occurred to me until now. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 11:37:09 2008 Received: (qmail 6057 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 09:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 09:37:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DFEC33AB; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:36:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:36:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.225]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F65BC2D18 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:36:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3069509rvb.29 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:36:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=afgkIT8ugLkvb/rnZPpHYp6JK9TOA4W5iYbjjm/Np4M=; b=QpBDCECzxnjZqtLPpTizYqeeoHA+DjEbolsmQGsnSzxltjwWY5FRbhvOoyLwBCeUyX uedrk5a/cdoLVwMRNuHZQGuzALaOoCZOfuGr5tpw2eQlbJDpG4Pw6AvoRjityBvA3ZzA nsd/wBIXNBypQCq+y7NjVtrDn6UntpFEZdEp8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=mse8tXxwrbju7nV8c/ortiOM5cf15dCX66VWyeswLAEMaOdrWViZqrZIdOxAND65eA A8BBNn72Rh06N8m/+scxo+mV4jXxYon6yUOFRT9g72+YmIVU0b1GZWjPdMDLqgrEBkMO nwi+I77O1tzEqq/YXSBI/sVnKyMCX+Suc6jLI= Received: by 10.141.53.4 with SMTP id f4mr3715135rvk.82.1223372215153; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 02:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:36:55 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Rollei 35/35s MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 11:37:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb2dc5280681591313764 I have sold my Panasonic LX-2 & wish to be 100% film shooter. I'm considering to get a compact camera for snapshot. I search some information at internet & interesting for Rollei 35/35s. Anybody who experience for this compact camera? Would you please give me some advice? I know there are Tessar 40/3.5 & Sonnar 40/2.8, which one is better? Thanks. --- Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 12:04:51 2008 Received: (qmail 7068 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 10:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 10:04:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4EBCC283A; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:04:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:04:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E74C2CE7 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:04:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20081007100438.ESWS2285.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:04:38 +0100 Received: from user4fec106f50 ([81.99.10.243]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20081007100438.TOHP29597.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@user4fec106f50> for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:04:38 +0100 From: "David W Bell" To: References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:04:31 +0100 Message-ID: <00DB8C177D174F6A9540250694A72F52@user4fec106f50> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> thread-index: AckoYEU3p1NUnlmbTyee8wMeesdHxwAA7iAg X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vOWM2lN3AAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=5emnl_c7rM5Rcia1_ZYA:9 a=Pq4FV6f4kJ767m52j3YVU0ElbCAA:4 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: david.w.bell@ntlworld.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 12:04:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb3443308222070262475 Some useful info here.. http://www.cameraquest.com/rol35se.htm Dave -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Michael Wong Sent: 07 October 2008 10:37 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Rollei 35/35s I have sold my Panasonic LX-2 & wish to be 100% film shooter. I'm considering to get a compact camera for snapshot. I search some information at internet & interesting for Rollei 35/35s. Anybody who experience for this compact camera? Would you please give me some advice? I know there are Tessar 40/3.5 & Sonnar 40/2.8, which one is better? Thanks. --- Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 12:10:45 2008 Received: (qmail 19361 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 10:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 10:10:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4A8C3505; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:10:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:10:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.224]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A69AC2848 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:10:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3083082rvb.29 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:10:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=rjSGsWy5f59DDJkNv1tevxjXKGbqKsvF3/OU4HZjHVQ=; b=DpBkweNIeTQ6hbArSTwvZJ9iRHOA2o5+wtUXQQPMN4jtUF/jORwssW39DOK0lZjCB1 LhZhpLuaY7zHsHe/qaozl1IHp/5R2DUPWicUikD+3LPcsV1KLXl0mHaYBiuWRSRi+KHM dbbYIwgWEcD3FdsUOjQuDawVI05sEVLr4Ixtk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=QoBHS/d9Njni1NNj02JO8x6R1j1Mk1ElsSfSbUpD3RLSfJ5fXSUHFYmaXepjEloo4h TltGrzYI2QsZ7b9paxlJgpKTYmEcRmbouMKblM2ikjVIr02R3IuRPfz3VFovAqbywx4O DWnStsJvrnZfDtU6SQ2OlXj2BX0t3xHjWEFlI= Received: by 10.141.171.1 with SMTP id y1mr3709178rvo.252.1223374231965; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 03:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080810070310r1d30e13fv4efc4025355c38b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:10:31 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s In-Reply-To: <00DB8C177D174F6A9540250694A72F52@user4fec106f50> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <00DB8C177D174F6A9540250694A72F52@user4fec106f50> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 12:10:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb35a571131529615919 Thanks. I wish to get more existing/ex-users' comment. --- Michael 2008/10/7 David W Bell > > Some useful info here.. > > http://www.cameraquest.com/rol35se.htm > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Michael Wong > Sent: 07 October 2008 10:37 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Rollei 35/35s > > I have sold my Panasonic LX-2 & wish to be 100% film shooter. I'm > considering to get a compact camera for snapshot. I search some information > at internet & interesting for Rollei 35/35s. Anybody who experience for > this > compact camera? Would you please give me some advice? I know there are > Tessar 40/3.5 & Sonnar 40/2.8, which one is better? > > Thanks. > > > > --- > Michael > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 13:06:23 2008 Received: (qmail 24261 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 11:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 11:06:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A7EC3406; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:06:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:06:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BBF3C3CDD for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:06:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28179 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 11:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.180.106) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 11:05:58 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <9CE891E6-2A2B-42B5-AD07-178B6745D056@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:03:43 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 13:06:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb42af7921744846740 Sonnar. But it is zone focus - not a rangefinder. A bit weird but cute as hell. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/10/2008, at 8:36 PM, Michael Wong wrote: > I know there are > Tessar 40/3.5 & Sonnar 40/2.8, which one is better? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 13:06:35 2008 Received: (qmail 19888 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 11:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 11:06:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAA4C3CEE; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:06:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:06:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 80F7FC3D84 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:06:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28181 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 11:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.180.106) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 11:05:58 -0000 In-Reply-To: <4CA2723C730F47AD94B2E721E35AD60A@meo.dec.com> References: <4CA2723C730F47AD94B2E721E35AD60A@meo.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <70838842-9143-4219-BC6C-1C86F9EC7008@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:04:55 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 13:06:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb42bb280642336821329 I'm absolutely not going to comment - I need to get my CIC redone soon. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/10/2008, at 7:55 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > Geez, all these years I could've had Angela acting as a "talent > scout" for > me - never occurred to me until now. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 13:14:46 2008 Received: (qmail 13586 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 11:14:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 11:14:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F4AC3C3C; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:14:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:14:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9519C3B34 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:14:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KnAWQ-0003Ug-Ds for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:14:34 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> <010889BE-A2E8-4142-9D41-88F7334293E3@threeshoes.net> <48EB1D3B.309@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: photo Example E-3 7-14mm at iso 800 - was Re: Re: A successor to my E1 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:14:26 +0100 Message-ID: <007b01c9286d$e0307c30$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <48EB1D3B.309@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 thread-index: AckoVnC1QDs/8EXzRQOcigJjGv88rwAF0vVg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081006-0, 06/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 13:14:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb44a6324431073733319 And I see you have a buggy to carry it in! Thanks for the heart-warming update on Cai - here's hoping the trend continues. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of swisspace Sent: 07 October 2008 09:27 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] photo Example E-3 7-14mm at iso 800 - was Re: Re: A successor to my E1 Just to add to my recent post here to prove I carry the 7-14 is a picture from the weekend. http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/4685260_iEgiA#387295317_LZrqi-A-LB IanW ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 13:25:54 2008 Received: (qmail 271 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 11:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 11:25:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A9EC30FF; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:25:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:25:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D2CC2DE2 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:25:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-44-35.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.44.35]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m97BPXfC013805 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:25:33 -0200 Message-ID: <48EB553B.6090304@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:25:31 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 References: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 13:25:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb4742245301470116606 Hi Brian :-) I will offer no advice, but a congratulation for your 70th birthday !! Fernando. bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > Having, at the ripe age of 70 (just attained), ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 13:44:14 2008 Received: (qmail 29136 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 11:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 11:44:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1CDC3E8A; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:44:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:44:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.229]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA0CC3AB2 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:44:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3122068rvb.29 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:44:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=d+yYOQ0CI9zz/cbfk2DrAX4FlE/0ql4S9yuHe57V1g0=; b=DzT/MUeTeaGRk6tq59UZ8FpYxZAEiMtPS0xDBPDDikJWuT87mqlfHk+3tLTfVOcrtP tqifGkJymTUUd9OiDT0dQiqLVSmWQbhJ1QhRYv6CWAK9j89jZohSJskJ24U33eVq35ci 1LT15pDIJE3P1fPvnt1mqfsKzbqDrOuy82qPc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=U6zbbMOI87i90AFUQevpj7LmNb3tTl6ihX0p/PHCPoU49DJ1+cm0i4+OdunxynKmNc kzb63GlTZ7FZEYTXMESmXfKTLC5RtH1mUo0aGn5hCFbnPMeA4Qg8+544djpYhkmX+wKU FYSuhgyPYNCwMJKe5C/wMXiiqDfmATPgjRaUA= Received: by 10.141.169.11 with SMTP id w11mr3794435rvo.63.1223379840766; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 04:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080810070444o20af844dp78c006bd25935385@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:44:00 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s In-Reply-To: <9CE891E6-2A2B-42B5-AD07-178B6745D056@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <9CE891E6-2A2B-42B5-AD07-178B6745D056@people.net.au> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 13:44:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb4b8e285391073733319 Thanks. I know that. I read some articles said that F8 to be applied for deeper DOF. I don't mind to take a challenge to me :p Is the price different for Sonnar & Tessar? --- Michael 2008/10/7 Andrew Fildes > > Sonnar. > But it is zone focus - not a rangefinder. > A bit weird but cute as hell. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 07/10/2008, at 8:36 PM, Michael Wong wrote: > > > I know there are > > Tessar 40/3.5 & Sonnar 40/2.8, which one is better? > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 13:48:59 2008 Received: (qmail 32566 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 11:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 11:48:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EF7C3A7A; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:48:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:48:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CB3C2A95 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:48:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so1431173nfi.19 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:48:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=K/zEtd7wXc8tyX1U0RYI5W7yTYl7CJZfCSmTgcXless=; b=GxbnFZehkK6DFsbEMmTg0KVWOGYDeMNN3/H4vdr48l9/kSy+E1OcUGKPnTCiGT5gk2 f6Lff8oj8nFnENW0L7n6IV0ZhfiRQrWFquE0pvzOnDFGLkeiNud1ohIgobrLocv5Acfq bewG195ozyurYhMF0w3DmTXZUersbnqCzFteI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=huHbUOx1MBDobNjvm3P2icEBbJXw77yZSTf4MBBahm1NXOQOgPxGTmoXoKy3EduuYW WMB6Gw4UXSd8K9DJENGw+0jnFYtd5wpnQjxk/f8gw646LQBl0DO0c7HjXopJIkvQczVs fDxg+vu14yxNOeT2SFDWa9TaIZuxkhxER/jpE= Received: by 10.103.17.10 with SMTP id u10mr3477309mui.97.1223380126352; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ianwmac.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u26sm12655111mug.5.2008.10.07.04.48.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48EB4C99.4010208@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:48:41 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: photo Example E-3 7-14mm at iso 800 - was Re: Re: A successor to my E1 References: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> <010889BE-A2E8-4142-9D41-88F7334293E3@threeshoes.net> <48EB1D3B.309@gmail.com> <007b01c9286d$e0307c30$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <007b01c9286d$e0307c30$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 13:48:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb4cab32905368819438 Ah I forgot that you would see the commentary as well! For the new listees, I also sort of do a(t least) picture a week though not to Nathan's or GeeBee's standard, mainly to keep my family informed as to what is happening over here in switzerland, it will also help with my memory in years to come as I no longer have time to keep a diary. So for those of you who have time and interest feel free to browse www.thattimeoflife.smugmug.com excuse the typo's but the updates are done in snatched moments of time and often I don't get chance to proof read them, a bit like my list emails. This year has been in some ways horrific for me, what with all of major systems at work failing one after the other allowing me no time to regroup, the house extension and building works which should have been finished before the new baby arrived it nearly got too much at times, but in other ways it has been fantastic, a new baby and now the hope that Cai will one day speak and breathe normally, when at one time we never thought he would even feel rain on his face. Oh must not forget the E-3 purchase ;-). I think it was my grandmother who always said things always work out for the best, these words keep coming true even though at times it is difficult for me to see. knowing of the hardships some on the list have and are facing I can't really grumble I seem to have weathered my storm well at least this one, no doubt others will follow. I am glad you enjoyed the good news in the update, we are all keeping our fingers crossed that it will become a reality, the constant sadness I have for him will always be on my shoulder I have to have a realistic dream for him and that is purely that he is happy, contented and finds someone to love and to be loved back, pretty much the same as our the other boys, that and that they leave home ;-) IanW Piers Hemy wrote: > And I see you have a buggy to carry it in! > > Thanks for the heart-warming update on Cai - here's hoping the trend > continues. > > > -- > Piers > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 13:49:22 2008 Received: (qmail 17958 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 11:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 11:49:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610EEC3EA8; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:49:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:49:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [207.115.11.55]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3D5C3E9F for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:49:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fwebmail11.isp.att.net ([204.127.221.111]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20081007114909H0500e7ku5e>; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:49:09 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.127.221.111] Received: from [12.44.221.58] by fwebmail11.isp.att.net; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:49:08 +0000 From: "Bob Docherty" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:49:08 +0000 Message-Id: <100720081149.26100.48EB4CB4000D516C000065F422230650029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A9C0E059B9C0104@att.net> In-Reply-To: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 16 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9zdGthc2VAYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 13:49:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb4cc266242336821329 Michael, I just purchased a 35 SE and I am awaiting its delivery in a couple of days. The one I purchased has the sonnar lens, which according to all I've read, is the best lens in the series.Once I have an opportunity to run a roll of film through it, I'll let you know my impression of it. I do know it's a quirky camera having a flash shoe on the bottom of the camera :) I have a shoe mount rangefinder that I will be mounting on it, so the zone/guestimate focus issue may be minimized in my case... Bob -------------- Original message from "Michael Wong" : -------------- > I have sold my Panasonic LX-2 & wish to be 100% film shooter. I'm > considering to get a compact camera for snapshot. I search some information > at internet & interesting for Rollei 35/35s. Anybody who experience for this > compact camera? Would you please give me some advice? I know there are > Tessar 40/3.5 & Sonnar 40/2.8, which one is better? > > Thanks. > > > > --- > Michael > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 13:54:01 2008 Received: (qmail 20685 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 11:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 11:54:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF09C2AFA; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:53:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:53:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C0BBC2BC3 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:53:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1901 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 11:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.180.106) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 11:53:46 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <60f983080810070444o20af844dp78c006bd25935385@mail.gmail.com> References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <9CE891E6-2A2B-42B5-AD07-178B6745D056@people.net.au> <60f983080810070444o20af844dp78c006bd25935385@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <6D0978BB-DB8E-40FD-9ECC-046A1B967A28@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:53:41 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 13:54:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb4dd9318951946193717 Yes, there are price differences for German over Singapore made, Sonnar over Tessar and there was a very cheap late version with a Triotar - the LED (?) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/10/2008, at 10:44 PM, Michael Wong wrote: > Is the price different for Sonnar & Tessar? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 14:06:24 2008 Received: (qmail 18985 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 12:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 12:06:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1430C3DAA; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:06:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:06:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C21C3F8C for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:06:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so200652uge.14 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:06:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9J378UCuyBgbVrWzJ/eNwQ4U7Mu3p75yp65zF2He8nc=; b=Ib9KZCWJmTqbOVFPjAc/TJTgEeMvAKodPUR9pzvMLqVJK6gxoOaEcHOgrcSr7AoxJp B8iub5K3996xoSutiEJC4u/16kPdiRrtO3z0nqB2BwiQTgE71TtiQf+dxjbiLkP91RKC FbRBJYC0UEgirNfYCduePtPiKfwMLAGQEIjHQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eiyL38uEy2/BCs7CBMhqJ8J5qs1JSTZhlyto3kVe3Q5w0QS2S8nOZ8XFXF3p6XqUxv u85O5qCF2k5XVf3WBRImyMPtmu10Y5qbbf4VgPc6Z7VU6hFzTiFq4PJil3d97t2aSv2R 4/emk0k9wQJEEODyQcDy4vKDlps/MzPK3Krsk= Received: by 10.103.233.12 with SMTP id k12mr3503582mur.54.1223381173395; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ianwmac.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j9sm21298235mue.3.2008.10.07.05.06.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48EB50B2.2060607@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:06:10 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: photo Example E-3 7-14mm at iso 800 - was Re: Re: A successor to my E1 References: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> <010889BE-A2E8-4142-9D41-88F7334293E3@threeshoes.net> <48EB1D3B.309@gmail.com> <007b01c9286d$e0307c30$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <007b01c9286d$e0307c30$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 14:06:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb50c0155031257536491 forgot to say what I wanted to say before I rambled on in previous post! Now we have two Buggies for camera gear ;-) Piers Hemy wrote: > And I see you have a buggy to carry it in! > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 14:08:12 2008 Received: (qmail 150 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 12:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 12:08:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BFCC3440; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:08:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:07:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE807C2946 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:07:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so959181eyd.5 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:07:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NtBHZ40TbFxXMgqaWN9X7KG+Y5ml1LzXsBOppVMjnIE=; b=CzaDaihhpq9Jafmi95Ywb6qowDMSexwi4F1JwtOmGyQm+GDFphup3B4Bp9F3WJkGVl FbhR9mcsVD9gfNRO4rbyHCun+NPv6ZfXpFCVO+JLfO/Wq2iPCggtkmSlpLnQ885fx+GS RCzrNKr563Syky/U44GMeFJw4t6+vZQob+FW0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RoudWNSferiTS98NC0XL623vr847oA3UsfHuiN+hPPOe8aXmAn2yDm0mcsYBjcW1z2 62ddoTXSVNh9QzFG43Rnl9bTaqiWcP0EEPrBWL3jM+tKa3CwR6gki+aTRX9ZQrqGkpKz n3YusQ9DuRPEqh8yuYPB6dYNarihNmiPQ36Tk= Received: by 10.102.253.6 with SMTP id a6mr3491816mui.92.1223381279219; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ianwmac.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i5sm21485391mue.11.2008.10.07.05.07.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48EB511C.3010705@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:07:56 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 References: <001f01c92846$a92955d0$0c01a8c0@simon> <48EB1ABC.3080308@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48EB1ABC.3080308@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 14:08:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb512c126391234514069 What I forgot to add was that the killer deal for me was the tilting screen of the E-3, it allows so many more angles than you would with normal live view. swisspace wrote: > Hi Brian, > > I am torn by this, I have an E-3 which I am finding good, but I think > you should also look at the canyon 5d II (or one) especially if you > have some good old OM wideangles. The price on the canyons has dropped > quite a bit and the mark one version can be bought here for the same as > an E-3 > > The 7-14 however is a very special lens and I carry it with me pretty > much all of the time which brings me to recommend saving your money on > the 12-60 and get the 14-54, the main advantage of the 12-60 is at the > wide end and as you will pretty much always have the 7-14mm with you the > lighter weight of the 14-54 will help. I don't notice that the 12-60 > sharper than the 14-54 although it does focus quicker and more reliably > in the dark but I don't know if this is due to the E-3 as I sold my 14-54. > > > I think though that things have reached "sufficiency" and that whatever > you choose you will not make a mistake ;-) > > > IanW > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 14:14:34 2008 Received: (qmail 19493 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 12:14:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 12:14:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B7AC3F6D; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:14:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:14:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.229]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D04C3FA9 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:14:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3135160rvb.29 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:14:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=7LC0/E12dJTKOlBxILsUOVF8gXOrjpcTfmYCrB5xnY4=; b=kwV9WjX/2rHdewMafa/lmh51q7gBVC2fNH1U/bEL4V+t7bHZ9OqWwjiwd/aGsNUv4I EK8/l6ndRbmz6VWBusdOfJZGy3PpYPkGrb/0esavcFkmGjr3s3fohNBiDlvwLB4piez4 JmrfbaQaeG4s2kfX3hPwIWThmqugJHVoGcOuE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Ml3GupxwAeVcmsh9wKXDK8+VLwdjNWOhsAxfDYsZVHtovVQwrzk3QkgmON96gIfu/3 rgaaZ29WRkQsDfNrtJGakIpB+R1kUqd+rDMLJeQEFeZIh+7wnmg4oqXp5Q+h73r//GrK gjtBVXIZvJgaOOb7M2H7PilbwCHEU/qOop1Ko= Received: by 10.141.212.5 with SMTP id o5mr3829668rvq.20.1223381662021; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 05:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080810070514n144975b4r7d56315968701102@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:14:21 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s In-Reply-To: <100720081149.26100.48EB4CB4000D516C000065F422230650029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A9C0E059B9C0104@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <100720081149.26100.48EB4CB4000D516C000065F422230650029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A9C0E059B9C0104@att.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 14:14:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb52aa252791234514069 Bob, Awaiting your samples :-) Yup, a strange design. Hot shoe is at the bottom. I think I'd guess the focus to challenge myself :p --- Michael 2008/10/7 Bob Docherty > Michael, > I just purchased a 35 SE and I am awaiting its delivery in a couple of > days. The one I purchased has the sonnar lens, which according to all I've > read, is the best lens in the series.Once I have an opportunity to run a > roll of film through it, I'll let you know my impression of it. I do know > it's a quirky camera having a flash shoe on the bottom of the camera :) I > have a shoe mount rangefinder that I will be mounting on it, so the > zone/guestimate focus issue may be minimized in my case... > > Bob > -------------- Original message from "Michael Wong" : > -------------- > > > > I have sold my Panasonic LX-2 & wish to be 100% film shooter. I'm > > considering to get a compact camera for snapshot. I search some > information > > at internet & interesting for Rollei 35/35s. Anybody who experience for > this > > compact camera? Would you please give me some advice? I know there are > > Tessar 40/3.5 & Sonnar 40/2.8, which one is better? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 14:16:51 2008 Received: (qmail 17619 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 12:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 12:16:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D131C3F29; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:16:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:16:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.229]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C348C3D67 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:16:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3136114rvb.29 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:16:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=GaQMwtk3cFlTVR+KCVk1bT5J5Xdwe8mVD787x7HhVWw=; b=OL2sNjEaiAa5PFONDb0gT2xcLEjcKuXaMWm7TS3zOxx6MuZMzb1bzZLGPFK9AwlAU5 d1oU8m/EW5fPztvUZ6ajmjTXS2GbcGNShhGbGxWn6a5WiyqnX/ZsBvTWuJB9TIH47TbL v9nD6w3rW/bqYVtQVIfr/Jof/XQFmTYMe2/Rk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=HVny00WD4qKYvab8fNh1PZkOehnsov7g6M66+K+SnhTOYKE3+C8nE9xL6bf01m7Mf4 eHAPM17PqwdG8PqSgI/EHu4JFsVKsCCBjn1JSNwJBNDWOaz8SB3U1Ohm2pIy90dQF5Ms kTMrEhqkODkNuruB2Fb+OET6F8Pt3FstvuTPs= Received: by 10.140.162.21 with SMTP id k21mr3788813rve.261.1223381798721; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 05:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080810070516k30ec9e72obe873c8533f8a91e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:16:38 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s In-Reply-To: <6D0978BB-DB8E-40FD-9ECC-046A1B967A28@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <9CE891E6-2A2B-42B5-AD07-178B6745D056@people.net.au> <60f983080810070444o20af844dp78c006bd25935385@mail.gmail.com> <6D0978BB-DB8E-40FD-9ECC-046A1B967A28@people.net.au> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 14:16:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb5333279431993019900 Thanks. How's the color saturation? Which one is higher? --- Michael 2008/10/7 Andrew Fildes > > Yes, there are price differences for German over Singapore made, > Sonnar over Tessar and there was a very cheap late version with a > Triotar - the LED (?) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 07/10/2008, at 10:44 PM, Michael Wong wrote: > > > Is the price different for Sonnar & Tessar? > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 14:49:22 2008 Received: (qmail 25428 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 12:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 12:49:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B92C2E2A; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:49:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:49:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F60C2CE6 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:49:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.191]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8D00KKDCXVE040@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:49:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:49:16 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff In-reply-to: <48EADF5E.4010309@gmail.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48EB5ACC.2010204@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48E77DAA.1060907@verizon.net> <48E7EAE1.70309@gmail.com> <48EA2388.5000902@verizon.net> <48EADF5E.4010309@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 14:49:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb5ad2211422046811720 Just a hopeful assumption. Yes, big hard drives are cheap, looks like 16 bit is something to consider. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Moose wrote: > John Hermanson wrote: >> .... I've got the E-500 set to save raw and shq and am really >> enjoying Raw Therapee (major 2.4 release could be out soon). > Nothing on the v2.4 page has changed since July. Any other indicator > that it might be nigh? > >> My only concern is saving lots of images at 47 megs apiece. >> > That's small, from my perspective. > > Moose > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 15:01:29 2008 Received: (qmail 22370 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 13:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 13:01:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E869BC3D3D; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:01:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:01:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFA9C3362 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:01:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.191]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8D00GTEDGPLLR1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:00:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:00:34 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: photo Example E-3 7-14mm at iso 800 - was Re: Re: A successor to my E1 In-reply-to: <007b01c9286d$e0307c30$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48EB5D72.2080305@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> <010889BE-A2E8-4142-9D41-88F7334293E3@threeshoes.net> <48EB1D3B.309@gmail.com> <007b01c9286d$e0307c30$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 15:01:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb5da927785368819438 We are all pulling for Cai, thank you for sharing this with us. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Piers Hemy wrote: > And I see you have a buggy to carry it in! > > Thanks for the heart-warming update on Cai - here's hoping the trend > continues. > > > -- > Piers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of swisspace > Sent: 07 October 2008 09:27 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] photo Example E-3 7-14mm at iso 800 - was Re: Re: A successor > to my E1 > > Just to add to my recent post here to prove I carry the 7-14 is a picture > from the weekend. > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/4685260_iEgiA#387295317_LZrqi-A-LB > > IanW > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 15:44:40 2008 Received: (qmail 23496 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 13:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 13:44:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F20C395B; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:44:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:44:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.114]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4574CC2CAC for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:44:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 70420 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2008 13:44:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=2oqUHqBs8zXajQy39RyvKKRu30ECQ7QZUoER1AyWiY6c/STgZePUElRpayPcT1mPBdbDCrf+7XkYWPbn0w9S4g8REwbIoi+A4fG9QHJe7ICm7tLV9UVtzZrXCVC4t4sk/fybd1xf15mIlawpmqMe0AMBgZD0RKlLPPc3VYZvOiQ=; X-YMail-OSG: awPqUJMVM1mjol6zLEkC891Zzr.wiMtZI3aIfL7oQGID9.KvxYtK76tF5JcqFNfJ9B7OyJnFmdknu7Dvv8a5uc0IFQaY2_xjuR70aL_nrUNW5vqS2YR43SImQQfTM2BTZmDsVHXHo40y8TWzfVbCL4BqOKSl.A-- Received: from [76.21.138.45] by web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:44:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:44:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Beckrich Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <100720081149.26100.48EB4CB4000D516C000065F422230650029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A9C0E059B9C0104@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <733860.69907.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rick_beckrich@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 15:44:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb67c865671993019900 Great litle cameras... load with a fast film, stop down and let the DOF take care of your worries.Loading is a little funky, but after aroll or two you'll be used to the quirks.(Just don't try to force ANYTHING.) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 15:47:07 2008 Received: (qmail 14891 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 13:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 13:47:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C36C3E53; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:46:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:46:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.232]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920AFC3E20 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:46:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3172859rvb.29 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:46:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=LemsDwKyPaFDjwZrFztFyRvatT0MkZF4jktsZWr4L+8=; b=S2Y+Sfyta+a8nA3dCj71DCSAPcb3+l6uxGbg2M0PHB/Fj4N7o6LVMSgQaCLUV+RFJ+ 9R54Krb+gF1Ic0Ejj5eYNlfPX2pHEuOV32mbzpH0ACsRiAMon86cn5jwLVE/Fa8g3O5c FxUJdjbZ9VaavlHMD6kwPdR8CyQM+6mTpzmkQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; 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I have to search one @ebay ................ --- Michael 2008/10/7 Rick Beckrich > > > > Great litle cameras... load with a fast film, stop down and let the DOF > take care of your worries.Loading is a little funky, but after aroll or two > you'll be used to the quirks.(Just don't try to force ANYTHING.) > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 16:05:48 2008 Received: (qmail 10651 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 14:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 14:05:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F1EC3CF4; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:05:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:05:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E750FC37C0 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:05:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KnDBv-0006pL-KL for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:05:35 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <48EA9E9C.4050508@spokeandsprocket.com> <198170.2978.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Looking for a flash that accepts a Sync cord Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:05:33 +0100 Message-ID: <00f001c92885$c4134b50$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <198170.2978.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 thread-index: AckoHyLR0nZfmvOrRDStJqEne8TbBAAZmHag X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081007-0, 07/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 16:05:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb6cbc205301470116606 Haven't seen a flash with a sync cable connection for a long long time, Ali. You want to fire a flash using a camera without a hotshoe, but with a PC socket, if I have understood? Why not try this Hama Universal Flash Adapter from B&H: http://tinyurl.com/3m58ns -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of AS Sent: 07 October 2008 02:51 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Looking for a flash that accepts a Sync cord I am looking for a flash that accepts a PC cord, if you have one which is collecting dust - would appreciate it. Nothing elaborate or high end....just something to use with a rangefinder. Willing to trade a T20 or Viv 550fd. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 16:13:24 2008 Received: (qmail 19422 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 14:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 14:13:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7B6C3F8B; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:13:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:13:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.149]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 38F5DC2E3B for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:13:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 58553 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2008 14:13:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=bmqWB30irHY4YPTn8kf7Lbg5WPD0rus6SPGvioz8vuc5k1l9RsN8PUQDeXCOS+vg3+u89r7NtIbobsc2BA1d7am3oH2dHIYS6CW3jNzurkfvXPP0BUOu4FLRCBGpmbrDD9lBlewAQ2rVXCyVDikR7r6mqqqLzZO9fpPCsIz+KLI=; X-YMail-OSG: _Vg6cp0VM1kxh9s76Gq2f_aG.oikP.vWdchd0bEjWJFl110OSzQ27S0XQDhWoORb64FypIsNJoII1ZbEp888vu7j0Vv1LG8Rbx1rE7eG483GHMqDiokqEJNEzEPFicp7aAvIGX7Aw6OEy8pn3cJ64WJM.TOUDg-- Received: from [199.46.198.232] by web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:13:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:13:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] There is now a wife! To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <320523.57812.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 16:13:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb6e84199523675314703 Congratulations, Johan   BTW, I always thought that thoz pictures of the wedding bends are cheesy and stupid, until I saw yours.  I actually enjoyed looking at it...along with the other photos.   Boris   ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 16:15:00 2008 Received: (qmail 4796 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 14:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 14:15:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49983C2C5A; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:14:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:14:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl37.gs02.gridserver.com (cl37.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B01C3231 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:14:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aj.wireless.ipfw.edu ([149.164.240.217]:53946) by cl37.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KnDKn-00042x-SA for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:14:46 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:15:24 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Looking for a flash that accepts a Sync cord From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Looking for a flash that accepts a Sync cord Thread-Index: AckoHyLR0nZfmvOrRDStJqEne8TbBAAZmHagAABnvVE= In-Reply-To: <00f001c92885$c4134b50$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 16:15:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb6ee4120778512572685 The Nikon SB-25 that I bought years ago for my F4 has a plain PC cord connector in addition to the Nikon TTL cable socket. I think the SB-800 that I have for my digital cameras does too. I have an old Vivitar 283 that I could let you have if I can find the cord for it. It took a special Vivitar cord that had a Vivitar socket on one end and a standard PC socket on the other. I have the cord, just have to hunt it up...I think it is in a box of old equipment at my parents house. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 10/7/08 10:05 AM, "Piers Hemy" wrote: > > Haven't seen a flash with a sync cable connection for a long long time, Ali. > You want to fire a flash using a camera without a hotshoe, but with a PC > socket, if I have understood? > > Why not try this Hama Universal Flash Adapter from B&H: > http://tinyurl.com/3m58ns > > > -- > Piers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of AS > Sent: 07 October 2008 02:51 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Looking for a flash that accepts a Sync cord > > > > I am looking for a flash that accepts a PC cord, if you have one which is > collecting dust - would appreciate it. Nothing elaborate or high end....just > something to use with a rangefinder. Willing to trade a T20 or Viv 550fd. > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 16:16:03 2008 Received: (qmail 14811 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 14:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 14:16:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ADE4C4070; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:15:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:15:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1898C3FAB for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:15:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so981183eyd.5 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:15:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=fpKRxmd7eM7P0KdJ6BwQm6ZYPwL2LQqhhrCPjiXldkI=; b=xWXz4VNxp7W0vE2axA77bDxW3HngCgrPthnu2SKbfT6LyfaHHeaohMtz9jFmgALh4t XYOIGCEUwTSQfhP/elfBwtKFaz8uQsXJ9QSLkT6TjCzKmsfmNay/D3FHYEJyTyQjjmJa TO4zwG+QA6bWnYZgvFGsYtOjbu1Tad3Q89cik= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=U3pduEQfKYt7klUY31xGJuQF5/pEyn0drYdl/twPG7KADcwXNP8Cu2EH/sRj0fpYcX 6nEE1ig9ufAjb5eN3OsMaqMIcRdWCza9DTvygGoykunfMjwkplKALkBIrNSzVDEAZW6J Tdk10YIxqrdI7kssYh493Sz9pKVOZwsZL8mE0= Received: by 10.86.52.6 with SMTP id z6mr6027466fgz.48.1223388951447; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.2 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0810070715m6ab681d1pc36279c33d4b729f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:15:51 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s In-Reply-To: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 16:16:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb6f23192841585427447 Michael, I have a Rollei 35 (Tessar 3.5) that I'm considering selling. Your interest in obtaining one has prompted me to give it more serious thought. It is in excellent cosmetic and mechanical condition and takes very nice photos. The only downside is the meter no longer works. Its background...I'm its second owner. It was purchased new in the late '60s by one of my former work partners who gave it to me when he retired. I've shot about a dozen rolls with it over the last two years and it works flawlessly albeit without a built in meter (I either use sunny 16 rule or handheld meter). Let me know off List if you are interested and I'm happy to send photos. Comes with leather case and original manual. Charlie On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:36 AM, Michael Wong wrote: > I have sold my Panasonic LX-2 & wish to be 100% film shooter. I'm > considering to get a compact camera for snapshot. I search some information > at internet & interesting for Rollei 35/35s. Anybody who experience for > this > compact camera? Would you please give me some advice? I know there are > Tessar 40/3.5 & Sonnar 40/2.8, which one is better? > > Thanks. > > > > --- > Michael > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 16:28:37 2008 Received: (qmail 5641 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 14:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 14:28:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EDFC291D; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:28:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:28:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.153]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B8D10C2D39 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:28:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 51075 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2008 14:28:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=M2ojvxyl5xbiR9BIqudO6JOdYe9g+ZgEPIL9AkMkpagIkBHGFaOa/JmCI70Z+HAb+D992xV+P/+Dft4L6Pk5KGovtqPd3lAIM22LDHJmpqR1rwZ3aVvd8MNHNjP7nlaYWko3U7aXZK4Sig9VyPy9zIiNBh3WSxA/aBMJpr3PJjw=; X-YMail-OSG: 5iBPfT8VM1mivTqedfb1t4Hqs9bgdZvHgMtimiUxloTwHLC3NpDphrKydbOAGWcr0JhzjeDri7IVowatUeXMxWUrnJ4BukxYn7k1N.IQ.Ga8BugLbkHl8COhb9xh7kPY58OTrNQdQAPG60vineGMn7fOjvtS_g-- Received: from [199.46.199.231] by web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:28:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:28:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <955433.48587.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 16:28:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb7215146574673671140 Happy Birthday, Brian.   Good to hear from you again.    If I understood your post, you are willing to consider switching brands. I have been looking at Pentax products lately...just can't get excited about Olympus digital for some reason.  You can also use most of the k-mount lenses from the film era on the digital bodies.   Boris ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 16:38:28 2008 Received: (qmail 3187 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 14:38:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 14:38:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1381C31FF; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:38:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:38:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B36C36FB for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:38:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15094 invoked by uid 518); 7 Oct 2008 14:38:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20081007143814.15093.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:38:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 207.192.249.119 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 16:38:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb746464111823421471 Can't recognize a pun, eh? :-) Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Andrew Fildes > Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story > Sent: Oct 07 '08 05:42 > > > Hmmmm - they ain't too literate in Kansas, huh? > > > "And also with a photographer who understood what an important roll   > that film played in our history." > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 07/10/2008, at 2:04 AM, Sue Pearce wrote: > > > I've  been seeing a lot lately about the possible demise of   > > Kodachrome, and > > apparently a local TV guy has too. Here's the link to the text of this > > week's installment of "Hatteberg's People" that interviews the   > > owner of > > Dwayne's. > > http://www.kake.com/hattebergpeople/headlines/30496989.html > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 16:50:53 2008 Received: (qmail 235 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 14:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 14:50:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5589C3C8F; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:50:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:50:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B99CC3F21 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:50:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25328 invoked by uid 518); 7 Oct 2008 14:50:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20081007145041.25327.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Looking for a flash that accepts a Sync cord Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:50:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 207.192.249.119 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 16:50:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb774d69101234514069 For current production (about USD 90 new) the Vivitar 285HV and the Sunpak 383 both have PC connectors on their feet with each having a proprietary plug on the flash end. Dr. Flash > -------Original Message------- > From: Piers Hemy > Subject: [OM] Re: Looking for a flash that accepts a Sync cord > Sent: Oct 07 '08 14:05 > > > Haven't seen a flash with a sync cable connection for a long long time, Ali. > You want to fire a flash using a camera without a hotshoe, but with a PC > socket, if I have understood? > > Why not try this Hama Universal Flash Adapter from B&H: > http://tinyurl.com/3m58ns > > > -- > Piers >              > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of AS > Sent: 07 October 2008 02:51 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Looking for a flash that accepts a Sync cord > > > > I am looking for a flash that accepts a PC cord, if you have one which is > collecting dust - would appreciate it. Nothing elaborate or high end....just > something to use with a rangefinder. Willing to trade a T20 or Viv 550fd. > > > > >        > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 16:53:11 2008 Received: (qmail 11108 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 14:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 14:53:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B772C28EE; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:52:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:52:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FFC2C3F41 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:52:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 83173 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2008 14:52:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=LnaHYq8e2p5lVNh3N1cGVGSnlbVMDRY6a56ObToL82uuMH2EF36Yq7nKymF1wBV5BnBzaqfJLYUc7CHVnloGV8st3s4gOPrMCpPk06k+zQb/6249rExZc4I2R37HdSxsRs+zkoMrlGHnM5rKyKoQRGxVYdyJabCpdONbTQzJoE4=; X-YMail-OSG: x_IOYIAVM1kJupRr46I2fb6sEm6JqnH_.BKXXATFhyr6SCYe5dt4yN85xPbff1XXqA-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:52:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:52:05 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081007143814.15093.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <707337.82238.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 16:53:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb77d7223391869477228 Apparently Kansas has some decent labs. Mpix (aka Miller's) is out of Kansas. Just had a bunch of stuff printed from MPIX and I am impressed. ============= ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 17:01:41 2008 Received: (qmail 11735 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 15:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 15:01:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FD9C27F5; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:01:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:01:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.67]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 12E73C347D for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:01:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1539 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2008 15:00:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HD6WY0e6X/1LBQTEPWfw4x5g86Ml6HxfEhQnwgDFeIWFbN8rmFZF0gGcxtoMg2iiUVtbczXCeNtEo3ZL8CcAygR4i7eAiO7w+xV5MW/nqAbPWTxBx2zf0DBcQ/YEaUcQhAfCG51BfgPS3J8tnK+OnsGIKaK7JbQhs9qfYdEBnJw=; X-YMail-OSG: jV8D_IAVM1nAmeAYLi3M1h1moj3FWmQs2gkWm8lJVrY0UimssbIkoYE7aF2C8km8p7rnacBcGX2PJgPAZ.I3IkKQIwN4yXP5WZgqBQjc9F7Dip4wbgGMeHRdCsek4l2g3FWCIU.nRWO_iIDTmllx4BEsr9c- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:00:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Looking for a flash that accepts a Sync cord To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081007145041.25327.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <991885.1507.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 17:01:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb79d577191993019900 I will check them out. Thanks. There are also very inexpensive Adorama branded flashes that come with sync cords. --- On Tue, 10/7/08, chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > From: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com > Subject: [OM] Re: Looking for a flash that accepts a Sync cord > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 10:50 AM > For current production (about USD 90 new) the Vivitar 285HV > and the Sunpak 383 both have PC connectors on their feet > with each having a proprietary plug on the flash end. > > Dr. Flash > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Piers Hemy > > Subject: [OM] Re: Looking for a flash that accepts a > Sync cord > > Sent: Oct 07 '08 14:05 > > > > > > Haven't seen a flash with a sync cable connection > for a long long time, Ali. > > You want to fire a flash using a camera without a > hotshoe, but with a PC > > socket, if I have understood? > > > > Why not try this Hama Universal Flash Adapter from > B&H: > > http://tinyurl.com/3m58ns > > > > > > -- > > Piers > >              > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > > Of AS > > Sent: 07 October 2008 02:51 > > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > > Subject: [OM] Looking for a flash that accepts a Sync > cord > > > > > > > > I am looking for a flash that accepts a PC cord, if > you have one which is > > collecting dust - would appreciate it. Nothing > elaborate or high end....just > > something to use with a rangefinder. Willing to trade > a T20 or Viv 550fd. > > > > > > > > > >        > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 17:19:36 2008 Received: (qmail 1615 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 15:19:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 15:19:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217BFC3220; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:19:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:19:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF94AC31F1 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:19:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KnELK-0005d5-00 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:19:23 -0400 Message-ID: <48EB7DF3.8020009@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:19:15 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081007-0, 10/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 17:19:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb7e08104151257536491 A quirky little camera that I just love! The Sonnnar is superior to the Tessar and I am guessing that you would not be happy with the Tessar. The camera is compact, but not particularly light (although it is not all THAT heavy either.) Handling is a bit odd and some have complained about it, but I have never had a problem myself. A nice little camera that will yield good results with a little practice.The scale focusing throws some, but with a little practice it is fast and effective. Jim Couch Michael Wong wrote: > I have sold my Panasonic LX-2 & wish to be 100% film shooter. I'm > considering to get a compact camera for snapshot. I search some information > at internet & interesting for Rollei 35/35s. Anybody who experience for this > compact camera? Would you please give me some advice? I know there are > Tessar 40/3.5 & Sonnar 40/2.8, which one is better? > > Thanks. > > > > --- > Michael > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 17:48:34 2008 Received: (qmail 8985 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 15:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 15:48:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64434C3A6E; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:48:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:48:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E6FC3837 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:48:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <12310106.23011223394969220.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-46-224.iburst.co.za ([41.213.46.224]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 813 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:56:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <4DF2150F-2D67-46A4-9B2D-CB9861D87B9F@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:48:18 +0200 References: <104162902200900966253548725588874318351-Webmail2@me.com> <16496943.21451223285614777.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4DF2150F-2D67-46A4-9B2D-CB9861D87B9F@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 17:48:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb84d227309117217770 Thank you chris - it's really good fun to fix up the old car. I hope I can get it done in time... I have less than 4 months left. The Chrome OM-1 goes nicely with the car, I shall have to leave the digital toys at home when using this car for photographic outings! On 07 Oct 2008, at 7:25 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > > That's a great project, Dawid. I am impressed not only that you are > able to restore such a lovely old car but also that you and your > intended can do it together. I'm not sure that my wife and I could > ever have collaborated on such a project, even if I had had a clue > about it ... :-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 18:03:03 2008 Received: (qmail 28948 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 16:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 16:03:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37249C4547; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:02:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:02:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADD9C4275 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:59:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <32677626.23021223395642964.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-46-224.iburst.co.za ([41.213.46.224]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 304 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:07:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <200810070757.m977vwC0012801@mail.imagecraft.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: For sale Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:59:33 +0200 References: <200809300534.m8U5YTwv046427@mail.imagecraft.com> <200810070757.m977vwC0012801@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 18:03:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eb8837236941702588592 Richard, I am itching for that 180/2.8, but I just bought a 65mm lens for my Mamiya RB67! And I'd hate to offer you less than what it is worth. And, what really kills me, is that I am sure the 90mm Macro you are selling is in better condition than the one I just bought - I'd have much rather bought from a list member. So, my lens fund is a teeny bit depleted at this moment. But I will ask around on my side, I know one other OM user personally. Good luck, and my thoughts are with all of you in the U.S. in this tough time. Not that it's not affecting us here in South Africa, but I have personally not felt serious effects apart from rising petroleum and food prices. On 07 Oct 2008, at 8:53 AM, Richard Man wrote: > > The economic wheels are falling off the wagon, so I will accept any > reasonable offers. I also have a T-10 ring flash, with the T control > pack, ring cross POL filter and the 6V power pack. Make offer. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 21:07:21 2008 Received: (qmail 7049 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 19:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 19:07:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73462C4710; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:06:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:06:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id C9380C48CC for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:56:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18262 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 18:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.158.32) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 18:56:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20081007143814.15093.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> References: <20081007143814.15093.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <8C780DDC-CF9C-4B57-A26D-2DFF583FB34B@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 05:56:38 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 21:07:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ebb369139102046811720 Read the first sentence - whoever wrote that ain't capable of punning. Plus it's a transcript. No, just dim. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/10/2008, at 1:38 AM, wrote: > Can't recognize a pun, eh? :-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 21:10:14 2008 Received: (qmail 4535 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 19:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 19:10:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C76C4A95; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:09:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:09:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 81B71C4655 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:08:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 20117 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 19:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.158.32) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 19:08:53 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <00f001c92885$c4134b50$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> References: <48EA9E9C.4050508@spokeandsprocket.com> <198170.2978.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00f001c92885$c4134b50$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <97A293D3-DAA1-4323-B5D9-FFAF35DB3156@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Looking for a flash that accepts a Sync cord Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:08:51 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 21:10:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ebb416303591946193717 Wow - I've got one of those somewhere - never knew they cost that much! You could get a couple of those Chinese wireless triggers for that much - well one-and-a-half anyway. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/10/2008, at 1:05 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > Why not try this Hama Universal Flash Adapter from B&H: > http://tinyurl.com/3m58ns ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 7 21:46:19 2008 Received: (qmail 22740 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 19:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 19:46:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A6BC3360; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:46:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:46:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF34C2E90 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:46:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.50.10.246] ([72.1.195.8]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1KnIVP2AKW-0001kJ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:46:04 -0400 From: "tOM Trottier" Organization: http://abacurial.com Information Architect To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:45:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Hack your PowerShot Message-ID: <48EB8437.29681.531FBA5@tom.abacurial.com> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19GHNYl2u9F8fjoLnU0oc7wWLKxEIM2f9WV8mw U0DjyfLvsI35Niq1/KcAK1SGuzvIlwaixt7DrAKY/7lGBuyfre uTQ8CCGmfs8g8oaOdnwRmkVFrAwdD1U X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: tom@abacurial.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 7 21:46:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ebbc8b247857350615338 In case you have a pocket shooter... http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2331913,00.asp tOM -- Facilius enim per partes in cognitionem totius adducimur - - tOM Trottier, +1 613 860-6633 469 Ancaster Ave, Ottawa, ON K2B 5B6 Canada http://Information.Architecture.Abacurial.com Est-ce c'est necessaire d'imprimer ce courriel? / Do you really need to print this email? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 00:10:13 2008 Received: (qmail 20689 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 22:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 22:10:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09513C38CD; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 00:10:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:10:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A736C3117 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 00:10:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 10499 invoked by uid 502); 7 Oct 2008 22:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.188.242) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Oct 2008 22:09:59 -0000 Message-ID: <48EBDE35.1020508@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:09:57 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: For sale References: <200809300534.m8U5YTwv046427@mail.imagecraft.com> <200810070757.m977vwC0012801@mail.imagecraft.com> In-Reply-To: <200810070757.m977vwC0012801@mail.imagecraft.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 00:10:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ebde45288431823421471 Richard Man wrote: > The economic wheels are falling off the wagon, Rats, I'm sorry to hear that, Richard. Wish I could help. Unfortunately, I already have or don't want the stuff you are selling. I hope things turn around for you soon. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 00:41:52 2008 Received: (qmail 1090 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 22:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 22:41:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBF0C41DB; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 00:41:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:41:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FE3C2EA5 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 00:40:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31482 invoked by uid 502); 7 Oct 2008 22:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.181.161) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Oct 2008 22:40:17 -0000 Message-ID: <48EBE54E.60307@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:40:14 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Hack your PowerShot References: <48EB8437.29681.531FBA5@tom.abacurial.com> In-Reply-To: <48EB8437.29681.531FBA5@tom.abacurial.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 00:41:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ebe5b0106989117217770 tOM Trottier wrote: > In case you have a pocket shooter... > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2331913,00.asp > As I have said here before, I have found CHDK to be more than helpful in use with my A710 IS and A650 IS. In fact, I would likely not have bought the A650 without knowing that CHDK would add the missing features to go with the wonderful twist and tilt screen. The A710 has moved on to a brother; the A650 remains my go to camera whenever the 5D would be too, big, heavy, etc. The RAW capability added to it simply what "makes" it as a serious camera. There are inconveniences to using these unofficial RAW files. At least for me, they are fully offset by the ability to get such high quality images from such a small, flexible camera. I have never had a single instance of trouble with CHDK on either camera. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 02:15:59 2008 Received: (qmail 25975 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 00:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 00:15:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A70C2CF0; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 02:15:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 02:15:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1759C310E for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 02:15:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.ccb.3867f2fa (37062) for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB048-90c648ebfbae11c; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:15:42 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-DB13 (webmail-db13.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.78]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA037-5c5948ebfba618; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:15:34 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Hack your PowerShot Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:15:34 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-DB13.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.78) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:15:34 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF6F21DC34619-63C-1D55@WEBMAIL-DB13.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 02:15:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ebfbbf321602336821329 The port to the G9 is 98% completed for all the firmware flavors--hoorah! Just a couple minor bugs that are being swatted at light speed. Any DRYOS Cam for now must have the hack loaded on a Fat16 formatted SD. There are some fancier ways for other Canyon cams with a small Fat 16 partition to load the hack and a large FAT32 partition. I don't think that works for DRYOS cams 710 a650 G7, G9 AFAIK so I guess the max size card to use would be 4GB. The "update" mode whereby it boots with the native firmware first is unavailable for the G9 though Canyon has made available a patch to update the firmware for a small defect in focusing in higher res movie mode that may enable the developers to reverse engineer this way to load it-. I always worry about non vanilla formatting and losing data, but Moose reports no trouble. As per previous threads and Moose's comments it enable all sorts of interesting capabilities the most im'pt of which is the RAW mode. This is irrelevant for the G9 but the Zebra mode display on half press, DOF calculator, customizable live histograms with each color channel if desired, focus bracketing, auto timer for time lapse sequence, motion detector (can capture lightening) are some of the included features w/o writing any custom scripts. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 03:00:35 2008 Received: (qmail 19874 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 01:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 01:00:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76408C41ED; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 03:00:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:00:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A14C40C9 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 03:00:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26886 invoked by uid 502); 8 Oct 2008 01:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.207.108) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Oct 2008 01:00:14 -0000 Message-ID: <48EC061B.60902@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:00:11 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 03:00:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec063366861234514069 Michael Wong wrote: > I have sold my Panasonic LX-2 & wish to be 100% film shooter. I'm considering to get a compact camera for snapshot. I search some information at internet & interesting for Rollei 35/35s. If you really mean for snapshots, that is, casual use, there are two other cameras I would choose before the Rollei 35. Having now used both, I believe I made the right choice back all those years ago in choosing the Olympus XA. The XA is just a tiny bit smaller than the Rollei, but not enough to matter. It's also a lot lighter and the design much more pocket friendly, which really does matter to me. The ZA is complete in itself, with the sliding lens cover protecting everything that needs it. With the Rollei, one really needs a separate case, both because of all the lovely mechanical bits tha hang out and can catch on pockets, etc. and to keep the always on meter from running down. Speaking of the meter, the Rollei requires those banned mercury batteries or an adapter, while the XA uses regular silver-oxide cells. The Rollei is a slow camera to operate. If you leave the lens extended, it's awkward to carry, if not, it's slow to set up for a shot. As an all manual camera with match metering, it's slow to operate. All four settings, focal distance, meter, aperture and shutter speed are conveniently visible from one viewpoint looking down at the top of the camera, but nowhere near the viewpoint through the finder. The XA has a very unusual lens design such that its 35mm lens is fixed and simply revealed by sliding the cover to the side. So it's always ready without pulling out and locking. As an aperture preferred automatic exposure camera, the meter needle in the viewfinder shows the shutter speed it is selecting. You can't see the aperture setting, but the unique aperture slide allows one to easily count clicks without removing the camera from the eye. Whe usig it regularly, the aperture setting is clear from feeling the slide position. Then we come to the crucial factor. The XA has a rangefinder used through the viewfinder. The base is short, but the lens is slightly WA and it is WAY more accurate than my guessing of distance. Exposure compensation requires use of the 1.5 stop backlight compensation - easy to set and hard to forget, or changing the ISO setting, fiddly and easy to forget to reset. Bottom line, for snapshot shooting, the XA may be entirely operated by sliding open the cover and looking through the viewfinder. The Rollei requires much more fussing. ----------------- Super bottom line, rangefinder wins, no question, every time, for me. I've got a manual rangefinder that fits in a flash shoe. On the big, bulky, heavy Oly Six, sure. Upside down on the bottom of the Rollei, nope, not for snapshots. ----------------- Oops, almost forgot to mention long exposures. The Rollei has a B setting. The XA will auto expose out to 10 seconds or so. I caught a lightning flash by just setting it on a balcony railing and pushing the shutter release. The lightning was bright enough to close the shutter. Oh yeah, the viewfinder window is directly over the taking lens and very close to it, so there is no lateral parallax error for close-ups and less vertical than on the Rollei. My impression is that the XA lens is at least as sharp as the Rollei Tessar, likely better in the middle range sweet spot. However, I haven't scanned any of my old XA film, so I can't be sure. The Modern Photo test showed it to be decent wide open and ... well, read the whole report here. A couple of things the report doesn't talk about. First, the lens does vignette at wider apertures. Not too bad, but noticeable. Fortunately, that's one of the easiest things to correct digitally. Second, I never found the limited flash ISO settings to be a problem after I figured out that, like all such flashes, it tends to overexpose the people in one's snaps if the background is dark or much over a very few feet behind them. I used 200 ISO film and set the flash for 400 for all those people inside shots with quite good results. The second camera I would consider for film snaps is the Oly Stylus Epic/Mju-II. It's a small AF camera with sliding lens cover like the ZA and excellent 35/2.8 lens. It's sort of the AF successor to the XA. I've never owned one, being happy with the XA ( ..well, OK, I have two, just in case...), but is has an excellent reputation. > Anybody who experience for this compact camera? Would you please give me some advice? I know there are Tessar 40/3.5 & Sonnar 40/2.8, which one is better? > I've always been intrigued by the Rollei 35. I finally succumbed to temptation and traded an OM mount WA zoom to Rick for the Rollei 35 I assume he has commented on in this thread. I'm glad I did, as I've gone to primes for WA on OM film cameras and because it's been fun to learn this odd little camera. It's a delight to hold and play with for anyone who enjoys precision mechanical photo equipment. Results so far are from only one roll of ISO 400 film. Between film grain, choice of subjects and a few obviously missed focus guesses, I haven't yet seen anything to really impress me with the Tessar lens, although it's certainly not bad. Pixel peeping may be unnecessary cruelty to old film cameras? If I wanted to go out with a film camera in my pocket for snapshots, it would still be the one I relied on for so many years before my first pocket digicam, an Oly XA. To me, it's one of those all too rare cameras that hits a really sweet of matching function to intended use. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 03:20:21 2008 Received: (qmail 4853 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 01:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 01:20:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4CDC2BA3; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 03:20:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:20:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from moenkopi.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us (mail.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us [66.116.71.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD2FC40CF for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 03:20:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.222] (unknown [192.168.1.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by moenkopi.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3A9601078035 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OM] Re: Now Dawkins, was Re: 16 bit tiff From: Scott Gomez To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <16C22E0C-0021-430E-87E6-96A2BA00FC11@people.net.au> References: <20081007014029.DDA80C3229@ml.free.fr> <3D5FBF0A-7E7E-4B6B-ACC7-38D6C179F3E8@frozenlight.eu> <911B9867-1AFA-4DEF-8885-2A3E0B197540@threeshoes.net> <8C943A8C-90FD-4359-A70A-07C527A1C758@people.net.au> <87362E92-21CB-4BAD-8AA1-C9CE2A8996F2@threeshoes.net> <16C22E0C-0021-430E-87E6-96A2BA00FC11@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Scott Gomez Consulting Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:19:59 -0700 Message-Id: <1223428799.6184.2.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 (2.22.3.1-1.fc9) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scott@petroglyph.crestline.ca.us Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 03:20:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec0ad577641585427447 Liked the first and the second, haven't yet read the third, and liked his "The Ancestors Tale" best of what I have read. Dawkins is well worth reading, IMHO. --- Scott Gomez On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 17:04 +1100, Andrew Fildes wrote: > The Selfish Gene > The Blind Watchmaker > Climbing Mt. Improbable > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 03:23:27 2008 Received: (qmail 9361 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 01:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 01:23:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C2FC27D9; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 03:23:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:23:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.harbornet.com (smtp.harbornet.com [199.2.132.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952C0C2C95 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 03:23:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([216.174.237.242]) by smtp.harbornet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m9827bep003189 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48EC0B8E.7030802@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:23:26 -0700 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <48EC061B.60902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48EC061B.60902@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 03:23:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec0b8f272181470116606 Moose makes a number of good points in his post regarding the XA vs the Rollei and I would second them. I don't know how the Tessar compares but I would trust Moose's observations. In comparing lenses I found the Sonnar to be slightly superior to the XA, no light falloff at wide apertures, a bit sharper, and a bit better contrast as well. The XA is also a fair amount lighter than the Rollei. I own both cameras and the XA was, for many years, my primary climbing camera. A lot of it boils down to what you want. If you want a light, go anywhere snapshot camera the XA is clearly superior. The Rollei has that beautiful, precise mechanical build quality that you just don't see anymore - but is not as pocketable, light, or convenient to use. I also own the third camera Moose mentioned - the Stylus has an razor sharp lens, and is a very decent little autofocus P&S, a great little shapshot camera, but it is a P&S so you loose a fair amount of 'creative control.' Mine served my eldest daughter very well when she went to Europe years back - unlike the youngest she never really go the photo bug and didn't want to 'have to fiddle with settings' the Stylus allowed her to come back with some great photos. The Stylus is a great camera that has fallen sharply in value, you could probably pick one up for a song and a dance here or on eBay. Jim Couch ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 04:56:22 2008 Received: (qmail 24236 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 02:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 02:56:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B0BC2B54; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 04:56:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:56:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1A5C2887 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 04:56:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5206 invoked by uid 502); 8 Oct 2008 02:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.162.10) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Oct 2008 02:56:08 -0000 Message-ID: <48EC2140.8020804@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:56:00 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Any info on Angenieux 35-70/2.5-3.3 in OM mount??? References: <8CAF4834E9ADE0C-10E0-4ED@WEBMAIL-DY07.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CAF4834E9ADE0C-10E0-4ED@WEBMAIL-DY07.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 04:56:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec2156109001585427447 usher99@aol.com wrote: > Thanks John and Bill, > Nothing like first hand experience with the make/lens. > Appreciate the comments. > I just ran across the Modern test on Brian's site. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 04:58:05 2008 Received: (qmail 4589 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 02:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 02:58:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4110EC2FB4; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 04:57:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:57:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADB0C35C8 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 04:57:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3487081rvb.29 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:57:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6vkJfHvF40Jh0EkUugO2aaFcY9M81k2Y9OcHoOG9YF4=; b=u67r3u7fkik1N7abnAUqJ8cNp6CNWaXW0YgiigyKuZRH3hLdgxnU1yl2hv/rfxiI4f FVD4PaksT/0EgxjDKH1TU0Tr6vQNh2F9vHtgaboxjQ6MLPCBIZS8Jgc2td9xNU574cRZ N5/dWRrbh3Hk8fPEVsC7hVYBP/QS6VB18m2oM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=sEBN0MiZkGX6wtXj9M0gB+6KD2VO4yPg9c6+bGh6XybxwW5ehLIWVe0SnWugXBzI6Z OG7x3ENiU6FwQiSe/9gtpci4ThQaC2vVH8m9fNcg1MI0uphFVmSLDf8gwpux2SV2ZbUS rvpwHW1663PElcpdDlX8dVNSl9CJJonN/4Brk= Received: by 10.141.152.8 with SMTP id e8mr4521784rvo.19.1223434671495; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080810071957m164d825aq874872d2547b6b58@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:57:51 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s In-Reply-To: <48EB7DF3.8020009@spokeandsprocket.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <48EB7DF3.8020009@spokeandsprocket.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 04:58:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec21bd19549347015869 Jim, Thanks for your comment. Someone told me the color saturation of Tessar is much lower than Sonnar. You know, I'm a slide film shooter. Thus, I prefer Sonnar more. But the price of Sonnar is higher than Terssar very much :-( --- Michael 2008/10/7 Jim Couch at home > > A quirky little camera that I just love! The Sonnnar is superior to the > Tessar and I am guessing that you would not be happy with the Tessar. > The camera is compact, but not particularly light (although it is not > all THAT heavy either.) Handling is a bit odd and some have complained > about it, but I have never had a problem myself. A nice little camera > that will yield good results with a little practice.The scale focusing > throws some, but with a little practice it is fast and effective. > > Jim Couch > > Michael Wong wrote: > > I have sold my Panasonic LX-2 & wish to be 100% film shooter. I'm > > considering to get a compact camera for snapshot. I search some > information > > at internet & interesting for Rollei 35/35s. Anybody who experience for > this > > compact camera? Would you please give me some advice? I know there are > > Tessar 40/3.5 & Sonnar 40/2.8, which one is better? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 05:45:08 2008 Received: (qmail 7171 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 03:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 03:45:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988E7C290E; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 05:44:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:44:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EBCC2C48 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 05:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E1731407F; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C21314047; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48EC2CB3.8010908@interisland.net> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:44:51 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Swale , 1 Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081007-0, 10/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 05:45:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec2cc488989347015869 Happy birthday Brian! I haven't used an E3 but I did get the E510 + 2 lens kit which is a good value for the price. The lenses are quite sharp but with quite a bit of distortion and vignetting. Both easy to correct in PS. IMHO anything above ISO400 isn't recommended on the 510 and the dynamic range is very limited. The 7~14mm, 12~60mm, 50~200mm would be a very attractive kit ... but so far the E510 just doesn't make the investment worthwhile. I have no reason to think the E3 sensor is much if any better. Frankly a 5D would be a better choice for me if I could afford it. I'd love to have a full frame digital back with great dynamic range (mega pixels, enough already!) on which to hang my Zuiko wides. In the meantime I hang 'em on a 4t and am happy enough. Only inconvenience is lack of nearby processor. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 05:51:11 2008 Received: (qmail 31334 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 03:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 03:51:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25199C35F5; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 05:51:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:51:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E3AC346B for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 05:50:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.237]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m983ouow027671 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:50:57 +1100 Message-Id: <200810080350.m983ouow027671@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:50:56 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:50:56 +1100 Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 05:51:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec2e2f129351993019900 > Michael Wong wrote: > > > Jim, > Thanks for your comment. Someone told me the color saturation of Tessar > is > much lower than Sonnar. You know, I'm a slide film shooter. Thus, I > prefer > Sonnar more. But the price of Sonnar is higher than Terssar very much > :-( > Maybe there's some connection ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 05:57:58 2008 Received: (qmail 688 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 03:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 03:57:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8DEC3A80; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 05:57:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:57:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F489C37A4 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 05:57:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C11F314086 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D857C31407F for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48EC2FBC.5050804@interisland.net> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:57:48 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081007-0, 10/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 05:57:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec2fc6267697350615338 My old Rollei35 with the Xenar 3.5/40 took it's last bounce down the mountain quite a few years ago but it did serve my Dad and I well for many years in the North Cascades despite it's many idiosyncrasies. Frankly as Moose says the XA gives equal results considering the human factor with much less hassle. My Dad has very large hands and found the Rollei difficult. I picked up an XA4 with the 28mm lens at a garage sale recently and am eager to try it out. It fixes the one thing about the XA and Rollei I didn't like. Not wide enough. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 06:03:09 2008 Received: (qmail 13227 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 04:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 04:03:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0D1C442C; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:02:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:02:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.225]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074FEC43C4 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:02:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3511419rvb.29 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:02:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=IZR6jPp8QvPx+Pe4EcmgkY3mZaTyB8Y/JiJBuiEMGGg=; b=BeohGzZhewNhC6O2fYMKu6TFwLO1N9Rxv9fUaVjkOiO7ccZsCqTJnsU1FSI8Y5XE81 Hs/pxA50BVuWlS8+zfVOOBBxM0JKzQ7XeCchGfaJoLmYmlNde1F8J2FnZ+uV/t3lSOui z6ktJU+B61llCMYr2f3qIFfSbJWo5G41Rg/cU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Emv8xxcUakp/4Be9nmO1UhSjWirOZLQtztsPoSnCoCNmjOyQD2lsfYpUoH1aQJAOLh QahnhFC/Wyay92vg5O6Mp1VlJdEknS86ysEz09UnK0xZxjksD84VdBMo0L8tbdfAKWGA MO7+Gwgu3elXZqLKvyee/fEQnqFQOuS51UnY8= Received: by 10.140.250.14 with SMTP id x14mr1761571rvh.1.1223438573446; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080810072102s240a523bg2a478ca1f3cbbf39@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:02:53 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s In-Reply-To: <48EC061B.60902@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <48EC061B.60902@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 06:03:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec30fd177421702588592 Moose, Thank you very much for your advice in details. XA is a very good choice as your description. I concern something about the focus system, without hotshoe. As my experience for SP35, the overlap focus system is not pretty good as hard to focus in slight low light environment. I understood it's a 30 years old camera design. I worry about same situation on XA. I know there is an additional flash for XA, but no bounce feature. I'd prefer a compact camera with hotshoe for shooting my family members outside. Another point I concerned, the details at shadow. I don't know how's 70's Japanese lens but it's pretty good for my Rolleiflex T which production in 1975~1976. I had owned Muj-II. It's a good compact camera for snapshot. Very good image quality under sunlight, but I don't satisfy its performance with flash. I can't control the flash power, always a bit over-exposure. I prefer I can control anything for the shot, aperture, shutter speed, ISO speed, flash power ........ I cannot escape the slow operation of Rollei 35. Let me thinking & researching more information. Thanks again, Moose. Your advice is functionally. --- Michael 2008/10/8 Moose > Michael Wong wrote: > > I have sold my Panasonic LX-2 & wish to be 100% film shooter. I'm > considering to get a compact camera for snapshot. I search some information > at internet & interesting for Rollei 35/35s. > If you really mean for snapshots, that is, casual use, there are two > other cameras I would choose before the Rollei 35. > > Having now used both, I believe I made the right choice back all those > years ago in choosing the Olympus XA. The XA is just a tiny bit smaller > than the Rollei, but not enough to matter. It's also a lot lighter and > the design much more pocket friendly, which really does matter to me. > > The ZA is complete in itself, with the sliding lens cover protecting > everything that needs it. With the Rollei, one really needs a separate > case, both because of all the lovely mechanical bits tha hang out and > can catch on pockets, etc. and to keep the always on meter from running > down. Speaking of the meter, the Rollei requires those banned mercury > batteries or an adapter, while the XA uses regular silver-oxide cells. > > The Rollei is a slow camera to operate. If you leave the lens extended, > it's awkward to carry, if not, it's slow to set up for a shot. As an all > manual camera with match metering, it's slow to operate. All four > settings, focal distance, meter, aperture and shutter speed are > conveniently visible from one viewpoint looking down at the top of the > camera, but nowhere near the viewpoint through the finder. > > The XA has a very unusual lens design such that its 35mm lens is fixed > and simply revealed by sliding the cover to the side. So it's always > ready without pulling out and locking. As an aperture preferred > automatic exposure camera, the meter needle in the viewfinder shows the > shutter speed it is selecting. You can't see the aperture setting, but > the unique aperture slide allows one to easily count clicks without > removing the camera from the eye. Whe usig it regularly, the aperture > setting is clear from feeling the slide position. > > Then we come to the crucial factor. The XA has a rangefinder used > through the viewfinder. The base is short, but the lens is slightly WA > and it is WAY more accurate than my guessing of distance. Exposure > compensation requires use of the 1.5 stop backlight compensation - easy > to set and hard to forget, or changing the ISO setting, fiddly and easy > to forget to reset. > > Bottom line, for snapshot shooting, the XA may be entirely operated by > sliding open the cover and looking through the viewfinder. The Rollei > requires much more fussing. > ----------------- > Super bottom line, rangefinder wins, no question, every time, for me. > I've got a manual rangefinder that fits in a flash shoe. On the big, > bulky, heavy Oly Six, sure. Upside down on the bottom of the Rollei, > nope, not for snapshots. > ----------------- > > Oops, almost forgot to mention long exposures. The Rollei has a B > setting. The XA will auto expose out to 10 seconds or so. I caught a > lightning flash by just setting it on a balcony railing and pushing the > shutter release. The lightning was bright enough to close the shutter. > Oh yeah, the viewfinder window is directly over the taking lens and very > close to it, so there is no lateral parallax error for close-ups and > less vertical than on the Rollei. > > My impression is that the XA lens is at least as sharp as the Rollei > Tessar, likely better in the middle range sweet spot. However, I haven't > scanned any of my old XA film, so I can't be sure. The Modern Photo test > showed it to be decent wide open and ... well, read the whole report > here. > > A couple of things the report doesn't talk about. First, the lens does > vignette at wider apertures. Not too bad, but noticeable. Fortunately, > that's one of the easiest things to correct digitally. Second, I never > found the limited flash ISO settings to be a problem after I figured out > that, like all such flashes, it tends to overexpose the people in one's > snaps if the background is dark or much over a very few feet behind > them. I used 200 ISO film and set the flash for 400 for all those people > inside shots with quite good results. > > The second camera I would consider for film snaps is the Oly Stylus > Epic/Mju-II. It's a small AF camera with sliding lens cover like the ZA > and excellent 35/2.8 lens. It's sort of the AF successor to the XA. I've > never owned one, being happy with the XA ( ..well, OK, I have two, just > in case...), but is has an excellent reputation. > > Anybody who experience for this compact camera? Would you please give me > some advice? I know there are Tessar 40/3.5 & Sonnar 40/2.8, which one is > better? > > > I've always been intrigued by the Rollei 35. I finally succumbed to > temptation and traded an OM mount WA zoom to Rick for the Rollei 35 I > assume he has commented on in this thread. I'm glad I did, as I've gone > to primes for WA on OM film cameras and because it's been fun to learn > this odd little camera. It's a delight to hold and play with for anyone > who enjoys precision mechanical photo equipment. > > Results so far are from only one roll of ISO 400 film. Between film > grain, choice of subjects and a few obviously missed focus guesses, I > haven't yet seen anything to really impress me with the Tessar lens, > although it's certainly not bad. Pixel peeping may be unnecessary > cruelty to old film cameras? > > If I wanted to go out with a film camera in my pocket for snapshots, it > would still be the one I relied on for so many years before my first > pocket digicam, an Oly XA. To me, it's one of those all too rare cameras > that hits a really sweet of matching function to intended use. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 06:06:37 2008 Received: (qmail 27012 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 04:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 04:06:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83483C3933; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.229]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B0AC4168 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:06:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3512735rvb.29 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:06:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=szpPq3mBcGqbwy7iT/s6VsEkK82RVYB5bK8J/PJgZwQ=; b=LL+cK+prFm5ZXAqSv2Djq+F/upzRFElSq251a8PyijfiqWiOoVDBEh+GqeYR+C+20b 4PwZPn9NuHepf9sniEEjqk8GwLtQKIpsT6zPzZX0MaXyKMzV3daLyWUoIpUfX3NaJFnt R/9BJWAvMrXlaj6WvRl54UXLW/RjhU3xiuhVs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=kq/wXl9bN5rxZJHKh9e3fhrHLpIF1TPNys6XGSEkhTdUrYqczSzZfHtuxbkBBWzg4Q /IZpTGbOnqLYMKO6FhUAQRTOaNnKtiV3zK8SI05Hh/cTGMFUcSYPDH2+N+BtL6aNN3Ec ePwwDGJmpJdPy6q7kP/Umq6EJNTwOK4TtcEl8= Received: by 10.140.147.5 with SMTP id u5mr4511708rvd.274.1223438784770; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080810072106wddf5811w2dee6d08739b9623@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:06:24 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s In-Reply-To: <48EC0B8E.7030802@spokeandsprocket.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <48EC061B.60902@gmail.com> <48EC0B8E.7030802@spokeandsprocket.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 06:06:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec31cd104382070262475 I wouldn't consider P&S camera as you said, limitation of my creative control. Upon reading Moose's & your advice, there are XA & Rollei 35 to be considered within my budget. --- Michael 2008/10/8 Jim Couch > Moose makes a number of good points in his post regarding the XA vs the > Rollei and I would second them. I don't know how the Tessar compares but > I would trust Moose's observations. In comparing lenses I found the > Sonnar to be slightly superior to the XA, no light falloff at wide > apertures, a bit sharper, and a bit better contrast as well. > > The XA is also a fair amount lighter than the Rollei. I own both cameras > and the XA was, for many years, my primary climbing camera. A lot of it > boils down to what you want. If you want a light, go anywhere snapshot > camera the XA is clearly superior. The Rollei has that beautiful, > precise mechanical build quality that you just don't see anymore - but > is not as pocketable, light, or convenient to use. > > I also own the third camera Moose mentioned - the Stylus has an razor > sharp lens, and is a very decent little autofocus P&S, a great little > shapshot camera, but it is a P&S so you loose a fair amount of 'creative > control.' Mine served my eldest daughter very well when she went to > Europe years back - unlike the youngest she never really go the photo > bug and didn't want to 'have to fiddle with settings' the Stylus allowed > her to come back with some great photos. The Stylus is a great camera > that has fallen sharply in value, you could probably pick one up for a > song and a dance here or on eBay. > > Jim Couch > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 06:15:02 2008 Received: (qmail 22640 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 04:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 04:15:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1824C27E0; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:14:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:14:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.234]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F57C2EFE for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:14:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3515997rvb.29 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:14:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=dsMo27pp/MHYuv4pFIraDrpd6UFxIDdhOh6p8617WA0=; b=PCytBdI9CDn60P83MaTqgt8gO1Y7+YbZOyw64nEq/ISKX/R6KpwHht+ihPesxLwH/U bRr5p3cBROvShWi6mouh9hqWRpeNAVF4GxNmWGnCs+ksCdsTms46Ng028sHulhhGEJia +aro4dSpHG0LdS1TwVq7/33hzELOrZoBleyBY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=RDgE4OQBpeY9YetH7CCjb33Trebwd7vhlrs2yn1FBKGmOe0uQ5wx2kqBNJpsurCw5d Z2ullZy0lNd6qvKlv+xZ+SYCW8NjSv80SvcRZwlKxd3FWwVOQYDbfMyHriuIqU8pAmEw mkIwVI92/iGvJNbr7HQbtsN4XRLqGQZS8y4sc= Received: by 10.141.141.3 with SMTP id t3mr4534630rvn.124.1223439290094; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080810072114q676de569k7454eb4fc10d472a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:14:50 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s In-Reply-To: <48EC2FBC.5050804@interisland.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48EC2FBC.5050804@interisland.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 06:15:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec33c6162511073733319 In HK, 28mm is not a good focal length for snapshot & family members shooting. Too many peoples & unnecessary elements will go into the picture. 35mm is much better, 40mm is acceptable. --- Michael 2008/10/8 Mike > > My old Rollei35 with the Xenar 3.5/40 took it's last bounce down the > mountain quite a few years ago but it did serve my Dad and I well for > many years in the North Cascades despite it's many idiosyncrasies. > Frankly as Moose says the XA gives equal results considering the human > factor with much less hassle. My Dad has very large hands and found the > Rollei difficult. I picked up an XA4 with the 28mm lens at a garage > sale recently and am eager to try it out. It fixes the one thing about > the XA and Rollei I didn't like. Not wide enough. > > Mike > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 06:24:50 2008 Received: (qmail 3901 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 04:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 04:24:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD85FC350E; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:24:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:24:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.66]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805C6C33C1 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:24:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KnQbF-0003mo-00; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:24:37 -0400 Message-ID: <48EC35FD.5040507@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:24:29 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, Mike Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s References: <48EC2FBC.5050804@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48EC2FBC.5050804@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081007-0, 10/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 06:24:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec3611101171035110158 Mike, I will be interested to hear what you think of the XA4, it is one camera I have wanted to get my hands on for climbing, but was never able to find a decent one. I think the 28mm lens would be very nice. I have been climbing with a Ricoh GX200 digi this summer and really like having the option of shooting wide, most photos have been shot a the 35eqv of 28-24mm. Jim Couch Mike wrote: > My old Rollei35 with the Xenar 3.5/40 took it's last bounce down the > mountain quite a few years ago but it did serve my Dad and I well for > many years in the North Cascades despite it's many idiosyncrasies. > Frankly as Moose says the XA gives equal results considering the human > factor with much less hassle. My Dad has very large hands and found the > Rollei difficult. I picked up an XA4 with the 28mm lens at a garage > sale recently and am eager to try it out. It fixes the one thing about > the XA and Rollei I didn't like. Not wide enough. > > Mike > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 06:32:13 2008 Received: (qmail 20796 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 04:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 04:32:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6776FC3357; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:32:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:32:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB4EC3E49 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:32:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.236]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m984VwGa019293 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:31:58 +1100 Message-Id: <200810080431.m984VwGa019293@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:31:57 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:31:58 +1100 Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 06:32:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec37cd326243675314703 > Michael Wong wrote: > > > In HK, 28mm is not a good focal length for snapshot & family members > shooting. Too many peoples & unnecessary elements will go into the > picture. > 35mm is much better, 40mm is acceptable. > Geez, I thought 9mm would probably be ok for shooting family members (and any others who might stray into your field of view). ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 06:36:45 2008 Received: (qmail 27899 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 04:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 04:36:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A92C4291; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:36:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:36:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.224]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F05C3E96 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:36:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3523708rvb.29 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:36:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=WRpXUnKLQ96kDqbadBbv8b5xQPABtkqmrR6ffFpRNww=; b=aiwY6z2HIIEstZ/ABtpMyRT1G+qwns0DZ9PRQJ8leYWGHILiMuu1vdMsyUuKB3e2Jq Rq7py3dR/g6OH1dJ7H7B62cE/DIOMXfc1ox4pVs6a6KI/x9LDjPGnPeoSzc1/w4tmkud GLUQnXztz1Gjgx1/5IS/ZhFgzkmAd9ebHN+Wc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Gwzmdwgr+yiP0eyaWIJl7++lf70QNr6aDfi0WM3PRGRLelQ4xBsEpRkQap3ThgNP5a iGju5bmNNNIs+crtuWBXM03Q06wrEdnQHvmofhOC0gpUmaPSHutruochnyYFa05U4o0W wFAcG1V7yFIqBJfB54S5Pa0nvcaNdDYLa1dXE= Received: by 10.140.172.21 with SMTP id u21mr4527834rve.262.1223440592615; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080810072136k3044bfe2qf285266e847a6cff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:36:32 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s In-Reply-To: <200810080431.m984VwGa019293@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <200810080431.m984VwGa019293@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 06:36:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec38dd245031946193717 9mm ............... ? Are you laughing me? --- Michael 2008/10/8 Wayne Harridge > > > > > > > Michael Wong wrote: > > > > > > In HK, 28mm is not a good focal length for snapshot & family members > > shooting. Too many peoples & unnecessary elements will go into the > > picture. > > 35mm is much better, 40mm is acceptable. > > > > Geez, I thought 9mm would probably be ok for shooting family members (and > any others who might stray into your field of view). > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 06:40:07 2008 Received: (qmail 16266 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 04:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 04:40:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0EBC383E; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:39:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:39:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2652BC37EE for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:39:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6731BE0E20 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:39:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id guzjc9fE71Po for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E081BE0E09 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081008015845.D3F4CC339F@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Richard Dawkins [Was Re: 16 bit tiff] Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:39:50 -0700 References: <20081008015845.D3F4CC339F@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 06:40:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec39a7314291035110158 > From: Nathan Wajsman > > Richard Dawkins, my religious guru, wrote the gibberish below? Why would you expect different from the guy who thinks genes are selfish? :-) And why would anyone who wrote a book named "The God Delusion" be someone's "religious guru?" Dawkins is a celebrated atheist. > Do you know where the quote is from? "God's Utility Function," Scientific American, November 1995, p. 85, in context: "The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference." This and much more can be found at: http://RichardDawkins.net . Obligatory Olympus content: the total amount of suffering in our household is proportional to how far away I am from my E-3 when a really cool shot registers on my retinas. :::: Nature must, in the not too distant future, institute bankruptcy proceedings against industrial civilization. -- William Catton :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 06:42:49 2008 Received: (qmail 2505 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 04:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 04:42:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FB3C31F9; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:42:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:42:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704BCC2E24 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:42:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1F21BE0E51 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:42:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zav2uNsCnl01 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C25E1BE0E42 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081008015845.D3F4CC339F@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:42:35 -0700 References: <20081008015845.D3F4CC339F@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 06:42:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec3a49269751234514069 > From: > > The E3 has 10 MP, but I have heard that it is not very good at > higher ISO > settings (like the E1). I find the excellent image stabilization keeps me from using higher ISO settings. My biggest gripe is size and weight. Otherwise, I love my E-3. :::: The old normal is that life will go on just like before. 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(sense-sea-MegaSub-1-329.oz.net [216.39.145.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m31sm40956219wag.21.2008.10.07.21.49.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48EC061B.60902@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:49:03 -0700 References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <48EC061B.60902@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 06:49:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec3be37641234514069 Another compact film camera to consider (if you're not limiting yourself to manual focus) is the Ricoh GR-1v. IMHO the best, most logical, easy to use control interface on a compact camera, EVER. 28mm/ f2.8 fixed lens. Rob in Seattle On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:00 PM, Moose wrote: > Michael Wong wrote: >> I have sold my Panasonic LX-2 & wish to be 100% film shooter. I'm >> considering to get a compact camera for snapshot. I search some >> information at internet & interesting for Rollei 35/35s. > If you really mean for snapshots, that is, casual use, there are two > other cameras I would choose before the Rollei 35. > > Having now used both, I believe I made the right choice back all those > years ago in choosing the Olympus XA. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 07:03:48 2008 Received: (qmail 3661 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 05:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 05:03:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FED4C3EF3; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:03:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:03:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.231]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF9BC2C6B for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:55:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3530355rvb.29 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:55:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=C1DDbAdnMrdEWUnUxqw8T4EgcXPAxc1Fng9XU0PAbLg=; b=R4DoKE6BxJ56HQwdAYsq1MDkWBXZt+ApBlQND7PKZCWFitHQ7ug4Cla4XlmI4gfIAU lV8sAb1IcIqbk2ywMYoYhOJTI/mR7spTa8W0gxMrEBMjAc5yVYizGDKyMDAT1udTzHwR Q+TRXDVprhu705VB8BnxuAJoOsrJvekNAvErU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=FpAR8JWvXnwrwL+Fxw0qgmrZmqF6iDBAj5egv2Dk5s6MOlVeNXqzdXs3JqCEmW2z74 KxORwKWHZ1La/7fGmCZCikC+IQIqXeabHUtbXG2CdWxsG4TD/RISetFefBQNUWMepT5p KxjoXBXsgBCz66Ba2Ce8owrTp9KhXJgXXrP1E= Received: by 10.141.87.13 with SMTP id p13mr4569883rvl.43.1223441744222; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080810072155s79f8d425g58e4f871633bbd3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:55:44 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <48EC061B.60902@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 07:03:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec3f34325822070262475 Thanks, Rob. Ricoh GR-1v is a good camera but hard to find one now. And, what is its price? I have no idea. --- Michael 2008/10/8 Rob Harrison > > Another compact film camera to consider (if you're not limiting > yourself to manual focus) is the Ricoh GR-1v. IMHO the best, most > logical, easy to use control interface on a compact camera, EVER. 28mm/ > f2.8 fixed lens. > > Rob in Seattle > > > > On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:00 PM, Moose wrote: > > > Michael Wong wrote: > >> I have sold my Panasonic LX-2 & wish to be 100% film shooter. I'm > >> considering to get a compact camera for snapshot. I search some > >> information at internet & interesting for Rollei 35/35s. > > If you really mean for snapshots, that is, casual use, there are two > > other cameras I would choose before the Rollei 35. > > > > Having now used both, I believe I made the right choice back all those > > years ago in choosing the Olympus XA. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 07:04:12 2008 Received: (qmail 1590 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 05:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 05:04:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CBD5C3A54; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:03:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:03:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.69]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BD3C3201 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:59:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KnR9C-0001AU-00 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:59:43 -0400 Message-ID: <48EC3E37.2010602@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:59:35 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s References: <200810080431.m984VwGa019293@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> <60f983080810072136k3044bfe2qf285266e847a6cff@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60f983080810072136k3044bfe2qf285266e847a6cff@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081007-0, 10/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 07:04:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec3f4c16749117217770 Or channeling Walt? Truly a comment worth of Walt, a 9mm is a handgun. Jim Couch Michael Wong wrote: > 9mm ............... ? > > Are you laughing me? > > > --- > Michael > > > > 2008/10/8 Wayne Harridge > > >> >> >> >> >>> Michael Wong wrote: >>> >>> >>> In HK, 28mm is not a good focal length for snapshot & family members >>> shooting. Too many peoples & unnecessary elements will go into the >>> picture. >>> 35mm is much better, 40mm is acceptable. >>> >>> >> Geez, I thought 9mm would probably be ok for shooting family members (and >> any others who might stray into your field of view). >> >> ...Wayne >> >> Wayne Harridge >> >> http://lrh.structuregraphs.com >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 07:08:35 2008 Received: (qmail 9024 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 05:08:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 05:08:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0B9C2D67; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:08:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:08:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39ED8C2FDA for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:08:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23516 invoked by uid 502); 8 Oct 2008 05:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.198.220) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Oct 2008 05:08:21 -0000 Message-ID: <48EC4040.2010903@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:08:16 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Hack your PowerShot References: <8CAF6F21DC34619-63C-1D55@WEBMAIL-DB13.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CAF6F21DC34619-63C-1D55@WEBMAIL-DB13.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 07:08:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec4053287742070262475 usher99@aol.com wrote: > The port to the G9 is 98% completed for all the firmware flavors--hoorah! Just a couple minor bugs that are being swatted at light speed. > Great! > Any DRYOS Cam for now must have the hack loaded on a Fat16 formatted SD. There are some fancier ways for other > Canyon cams with a small Fat 16 partition to load the hack and a large FAT32 partition. I don't think that works for DRYOS cams 710 a650 G7, G9 AFAIK so Do you mean the A720? I think the A710 is the old OS. > I guess the max size card to use would be 4GB. This isn't the case for the A650. Formatting the card as FAT16 generates a warning about non-standard cluster sizes, but my 8GB cards work fine in the camera and in a USB reader. I was even able to recover some files I erased by accident on one of those cards, so the file system can't be that odd. Given the file sizes, the bigger cluster size is a non-issue. > The "update" mode whereby it boots with the native firmware first is unavailable for the G9 though Canyon has made available a patch to update the firmware for a small defect in focusing in higher res movie mode that may enable the developers to reverse engineer this way to load it-. > I always worry about non vanilla formatting and losing data, but Moose reports no trouble. > Still ... Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 07:26:55 2008 Received: (qmail 7876 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 05:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 05:26:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAEE9C33CD; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:26:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:26:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668ECC338B for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:26:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 586 invoked by uid 502); 8 Oct 2008 05:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.193.233) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Oct 2008 05:26:34 -0000 Message-ID: <48EC4483.806@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:26:27 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <48EC061B.60902@gmail.com> <60f983080810072102s240a523bg2a478ca1f3cbbf39@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60f983080810072102s240a523bg2a478ca1f3cbbf39@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 07:26:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec449f144781702588592 Michael Wong wrote: > Moose, > Thank you very much for your advice in details. > > XA is a very good choice as your description. I concern something about the > focus system, without hotshoe. As my experience for SP35, the overlap focus > system is not pretty good as hard to focus in slight low light environment. > I understood it's a 30 years old camera design. I worry about same situation > on XA. As with other RF designs, all you need is one light or one high contrast edge to focus on. I personally don't much like RFs, but find the XA usable in quite low light. > I know there is an additional flash for XA, but no bounce feature. I'd prefer a compact camera with hotshoe for shooting my family members outside. > You don't get that with the Rollei either, unless you hold the camera upside down. > Another point I concerned, the details at shadow. I don't know how's 70's Japanese lens but it's pretty good for my Rolleiflex T which production in 1975~1976. > Perhaps I don't understand what you are saying. I've never thought the lens affected shadow detail, more a film - and digitally, a scanning problem. > ........ > > I cannot escape the slow operation of Rollei 35. Yes, I don't see a group of people standing still for all that time very happily. I guess if you have it all ready, aperture and speed set and prefocused, it's quick enough. > Let me thinking & researching more information. > There are several small cameras from the era, but all involve some sort of compromise. Steven Gandy's site profiles quite a few. The Petri Color 35 looks like a possibility. If it had a rangefinder, I might be looking for one - or already have one. > > Thanks again, Moose. Your advice is functionally. > My pleasure. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 07:32:52 2008 Received: (qmail 15663 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 05:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 05:32:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544D1C39B6; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:32:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:32:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B7FC3B57 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:32:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 4355 invoked by uid 502); 8 Oct 2008 05:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.193.233) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Oct 2008 05:32:37 -0000 Message-ID: <48EC45F1.4030205@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:32:33 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 References: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 07:32:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec4604143761838542571 bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > ... > I enjoy using my E1, and it has been a great introduction to digital photography. BUT (and there has to be a 'but' in a contribution such as this), I am increasingly dis-satisfied at what I can get out of it when doing landscape photography. > > Having, at the ripe age of 70 (just attained) Congratulations! > , come into some money after being bought out of the former family home Congratulations again. > , I am considering up-grading. > > ... But I find that there is not nearly enough detail in my tripod shots, so here I am asking. > > The E3 has 10 MP, but I have heard that it is not very good at higher ISO settings (like the E1). > Before worrying about high ISO and various features, consider how important that detail is to you. Try downloading the standard studio shots from dpreview or one of the other review sites. I just took a look at the E-3 vs. the 5D, as layers in PS, so I could flip between them. There is no comparison. The 5D captures far more detail than the E-3 and the image just looks cleaner. In fact, more resolution than I think can be accounted for by the modest difference in number of pixels. If it were my decision, given your stated criteria of tripod use and desire for high resolution of landscape detail, I'd be pre-ordering a 5D II and a couple of inexpensive OM=>EOS adapters. Based on the limited samples seen so far, I expect that the 5D II will be THE landscape camera for some time. Only medium format digital backs will exceed it - at much higher prices. Beyond adapter use of OM lenses, the choice of a Canon confuses life, as there are so many lens choices. There is nothing to match the ZD 7-14, if you have to have super-super wide. I've been quite happy with the Tamron 17-35/2.8-4 for merely super-wide. Also, shooting on a tripod, panoramas are quite practical. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 07:47:54 2008 Received: (qmail 13494 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 05:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 05:47:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFD0C4569; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:47:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:47:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E2AC2C3C4C for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:47:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17911 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2008 05:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.158.32) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 05:47:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <20081008015845.D3F4CC339F@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <95E88F71-04D6-47F9-BC9F-2366C54F7656@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Richard Dawkins [Was Re: 16 bit tiff] Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:47:34 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 07:47:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec498a162591869477228 On 08/10/2008, at 3:39 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > And why would anyone who wrote a book named "The God Delusion" be > someone's "religious guru?" Dawkins is a celebrated atheist. I suspect that unlike the roll (sic) of Kodachrome, that comment really was ironic. > > > "God's Utility Function," Scientific American, November 1995, p. 85, > in context: > "The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond > all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to > compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, > many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others > are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands > of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be > so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will > automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural > state of starvation and misery is restored. > > In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces > and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other > people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason > in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe > has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, > no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless > indifference." Now that rather thoroughly deals with ideas like karma, I suspect. More a recommendation for Stoicism. Also reminded me of how well Darwin wrote. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 07:51:04 2008 Received: (qmail 3462 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 05:51:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 05:51:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFF6C3218; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:50:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:50:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id ABE4FC43B0 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:50:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18403 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2008 05:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.158.32) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 05:50:49 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <1223428799.6184.2.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> References: <20081007014029.DDA80C3229@ml.free.fr> <3D5FBF0A-7E7E-4B6B-ACC7-38D6C179F3E8@frozenlight.eu> <911B9867-1AFA-4DEF-8885-2A3E0B197540@threeshoes.net> <8C943A8C-90FD-4359-A70A-07C527A1C758@people.net.au> <87362E92-21CB-4BAD-8AA1-C9CE2A8996F2@threeshoes.net> <16C22E0C-0021-430E-87E6-96A2BA00FC11@people.net.au> <1223428799.6184.2.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <4B26D9D2-5D9B-44DA-92B2-975CAC91C7C3@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Now Dawkins, was Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:50:48 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 07:51:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec4a48156162336821329 'Climbing Mt. Improbable' is an answer to those who claim that organisms or parts of them are too complex to have evolved naturally. In particular, he deals very well with the example of the eye, an organ that is often held up to have no particular utility or advantage in it's intermediate stages (partly by pointing out that there are many kinds of eye, or answers to the problem). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/10/2008, at 12:19 PM, Scott Gomez wrote: > Liked the first and the second, haven't yet read the third, and liked > his "The Ancestors Tale" best of what I have read. > > Dawkins is well worth reading, IMHO. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 08:24:55 2008 Received: (qmail 24368 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 06:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 06:24:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86161C43B6; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:24:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:24:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06530C3540 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:24:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 22.249.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es ([87.219.249.22]:65038 helo=[192.168.1.140]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KnSTS-0004X9-7j (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:24:42 +0000 Message-Id: <6483232A-7DA8-4713-ACDE-B406B11354E7@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <95E88F71-04D6-47F9-BC9F-2366C54F7656@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Richard Dawkins [Was Re: 16 bit tiff] Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:24:41 +0200 References: <20081008015845.D3F4CC339F@ml.free.fr> <95E88F71-04D6-47F9-BC9F-2366C54F7656@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 08:24:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec523733671993019900 Indeed it was a case of pun intended. Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 8, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > On 08/10/2008, at 3:39 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > >> And why would anyone who wrote a book named "The God Delusion" be >> someone's "religious guru?" Dawkins is a celebrated atheist. > > I suspect that unlike the roll (sic) of Kodachrome, that comment > really was ironic. >> >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 10:35:01 2008 Received: (qmail 25440 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 08:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 08:34:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33F7C53D1; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:34:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:34:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076EAC53FC for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:34:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so7933808gxk.17 for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:34:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=DxbsbuGx26ui0rsDAScqEUDcTT4P1xOdnmNfF9ovfEk=; b=GRgaF6/ZjyOy4Wt59Xy7x4ug5XcRTq3d8BlUnuLcp4DkSMIO2J1Jyt4LUyj+otS0Li X/Kqc3AUMlq8G5tkXklLiwa75pZMrmMUZMFH0e1yEH98ht0gKSVFhqYMeig5+8AT4ebE xeLHn2jU6VfCUYNL23JpEO700Tc5E5g0HEmGI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=SZ0uSS6o1qVMjUHYgf5mxBdD02vHeMzU+x4P+7YLQmmTASR2zgGI+iVurNVSrCnhqI ewp626dQpkacxWKSSRPLB921zTVTgBQJ/bxOgbN0XBhWl9yjnLTVSZ8uEjK//xHYQWhE qqlRRDlEntzgUimCtqrvFBn79M8PSAaAf7r2w= Received: by 10.90.106.6 with SMTP id e6mr8886895agc.31.1223454878820; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 01:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 03:34:38 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 In-Reply-To: <48EC45F1.4030205@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> <48EC45F1.4030205@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5d7720ef5653b56b X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 10:35:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ec70b5109351946193717 I've done my own form of resolution testing with various digital cameras. The E-3 is actually very remarkable. I wouldn't hesitate for a second to happily use it for "landscape photography". The only real gain you're going to get from the 5D vs the E-3 is MAYBE one paper size. The optics are going to make a bigger difference than the sensor and in general availability and usage, the Zuiko optics are definitely worthy of any sensor you stick behind them. Landscape photography generally means DoF and the 2-stop gain with the 4/3 format does help offset other things, including diffraction. Speaking of diffraction, modern lenses are not linear in the diffraction calculations. You cannot just apply the same old equation which worked for spherical-elemented primes to today's aspherical wonder-lenses. The optical engineers have been gaming the physics tables for quite some time. Another MAJOR consideration for a "landscape camera" in my book is ruggedness and weatherproofing. We can make all sorts of excuses for ourselves like "I'm not out shooting when it is raining." Well, that sounds fine, but what about when you are on that mammoth around-the-country vacation and happen to be passing through beautiful Michigan when it is raining? That one really cool shot of the mist and clouds is lost because you fear for the electronics in your camera. I've shot enough in the rain through the years to know that having a camera you don't need to worry about is worth, in my case, one portfolio image per year. I'll not forget spending two weeks in the Smokey and Blue Ridge Mountains, and it raining for 11 of the 14 days. This was in the days of the OM system and a Mamiya 645, and I still managed to shoot an average of 8 rolls of film per day. Inspite of the rain (or possibly because of it), those two weeks remain my most productive period of photography ever. I cannot handle having a camera that I'd need to baby and worry about. We won't even talk about abuse from falling rocks... Another critical advantage to the Olympus cameras is the color rendition. Yes, the E-3 sensor has slightly less dynamic range than the Canon. But by how much? Not near enough to actually make a difference in all but a handfull of shots--and even then, it still blows the doors off of ANY slide film. The noise of the E-3 is higher than the Canon, but not any worse than the DX Nikons--it's just that the noise is "different". I won't say "film like", because that is rather cliche'ish, but the noise structure of the Olympus images possesses a certain 3d-ness characteristic to the noise which is not dissimilar to film grain which is also physically 3d. The differences between sensor noise/characterics is very much like the differences between films using traditional grain vs T-grain (crystals, actually). T-grain films have greater accutance when the lenses are more wide-open, whereas traditional films have greater accutance when the lenses are stopped-down. Some digital cameras mimick t-grain whereas others mimick traditional grain. Regardless, I have found that I need much less color processing with Olympus images than what most people have to do. I never was able to get Nikon D2X images to match either color films or the Olympus cameras. In March or April I am planning a new digital camera upgrade. I can honestly say that I have successfully pushed the E-1 to the theoretical and practical limit of its capabilities. I can look in the mirror and say that I have done the very best I can with that camera. I have gotten results that amaze my fellow (Canon shooting) photographers. But not only has it taken a few years to get to this point, but it is still only with the exception, not as a rule that I push the limits of the technology. You cannot just look at numbers or Phil Askey's tests and say that "that's it, nobody can get an acceptable picture with anything less than a 1DsMk3". What we have lost is "context". We have lost the ability to understand exactly what it is that these cameras are capable of. Even the "horrid" E-3 is perfectly capable of exceeding your capabilities very quickly. Diffraction, misfocus and camera motion is going to limit resolution before the sensor is maxed out. Blaming the AA filter is misguided in most cases. In "context", we see that a well-done picture taken with the E-3 is going to meet and exceed REAL demands, not the artificial ones we place on ourselves in pursuit of some "Holy Grail" of photographs. Without "context" we are going to dis the new Ferrari 360 because it's accelleration is only 4.4 seconds 0-100kph, whereas the new Dodge Viper does it in 3.7 seconds. Never mind the fact that the 360 is still faster than the famed "Super Snake". I am embarking, in a few days, on a new photographic project for display in the local "artists' hangout". This conceptual work will be limited to prints no larger than 5x7. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 14:10:15 2008 Received: (qmail 18879 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 12:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 12:10:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5958CFBD1; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:04:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:04:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.25]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DD5E1478 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:55:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail.snap.net.nz (vasilli.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.16]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C30A3DA63A; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 00:55:37 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:55:37 +1300 From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Addendum to query about successor to E1 Message-ID: <4752d02d654ffca548307e36b2a18135@snap.net.nz> X-Sender: bj@caverock.net.nz X-Username: bj@caverock.net.nz Received: from 210-54-198-100.dialup.xtra.co.nz [210.54.198.100] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:55:37 +1300 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1-rc2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bj@caverock.net.nz Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 14:10:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eca327199121838542571 Hello again, I guess, given the nature of the competition in the landscape photography activity here, what I'd really like is a digital camera that can match the Pentax 6x7 or one of the Linhof Technoramas using a fine-grained film, for detail. Does such a beast exist? Brian. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 14:31:11 2008 Received: (qmail 16747 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 12:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 12:31:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25312C6567; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:22:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:22:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A592D01B4 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:00:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-20-12.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.20.12]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m98AxvTr031935 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:00:09 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:59:53 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <48EC4483.806@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 thread-index: AckpBnsv/1NsLeOiQ++7mNOtCVLhYAALhMWA Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 14:31:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eca80f170701702588592 > > > You don't get that with the Rollei either, unless you hold the camera > upside down. > ...or just let the flash hang under the camera and get some strange looking lighting. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 15:11:32 2008 Received: (qmail 13976 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 13:11:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 13:11:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B9EC9157; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:47:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:47:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C634DFD04 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:08:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-20-12.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.20.12]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m98B80ju020697 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:08:09 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:07:56 +1100 Message-ID: <9DF94CF46443450AA3BFD8600EFE451D@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 thread-index: AckpIMBghnKLSJD5TGuRRLJQ+8F6fAAFRpTg Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 15:11:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ecb184304561744846740 > > I am embarking, in a few days, on a new photographic project > for display in the local "artists' hangout". This conceptual > work will be limited to prints no larger than 5x7. > pixels, centimetres, inches, feet, meters ? ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 16:09:28 2008 Received: (qmail 7859 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 14:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 14:09:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075DEC5A72; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:58:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:58:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl35.gs02.gridserver.com (cl35.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.44]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B39C9BA3 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:16:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50941 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl35.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KnXy6-0007LH-9D for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:16:42 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:16:40 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Addendum to query about successor to E1 From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Addendum to query about successor to E1 Thread-Index: AckpP7fL9ij8sJUyEd2AUwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4752d02d654ffca548307e36b2a18135@snap.net.nz> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 16:09:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ecbf18130671823421471 Yes, a medium format camera with a digital back. Cameras like the 5DII and EOS 1Ds2 and 1Ds3 will beat 645 and come close to 6x7 but won't match it or 4x5. I have a Kodak 14n and it is very close to 645 in quality. I actually want to sell the 14n because it sucks for low light work and I need a newer camera for some of the commercial work I am doing that involves low-light interiors, but for daylight in bright conditions it is very nice. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 10/8/08 7:55 AM, "bj@caverock.net.nz" wrote: > Hello again, > > I guess, given the nature of the competition in the landscape photography > activity here, what I'd really like is a digital camera that can match the > Pentax 6x7 or one of the Linhof Technoramas using a fine-grained film, for > detail. > > Does such a beast exist? > > Brian. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 16:32:50 2008 Received: (qmail 5378 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 14:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 14:32:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357E5FEDF4; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:42:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:42:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7434DFF11 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:05:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-13-124.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.13.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m98C5k93004703 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:05:46 -0200 Message-ID: <48ECB02B.7040208@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:05:47 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 References: <48EC2CB3.8010908@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48EC2CB3.8010908@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 16:32:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ecc492176471257536491 I wonder were my bits went yesterday ... ;^) **************** Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Hi Brian :-) > > I will offer no advice, but a congratulation for your 70th birthday !! > > Fernando. > > bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: >> Having, at the ripe age of 70 (just attained), Mike wrote: > Happy birthday Brian! > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 16:52:33 2008 Received: (qmail 12816 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 14:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 14:52:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCC2C7629; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:54:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:54:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF38C74D3 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:49:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3692309rvb.29 for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:49:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=whSYUyM0C0cnpgAFcYuByoo+tEL7rkUUMUOTTn+m+K4=; b=gfbJ+nCI/AJKNTCPRyHrw5z92KXvnrmHsJZ1ykZkEWCSAOJBan/QBnW30PwfrsOe2Y ykjiXVAaR1zs2pg2N5XCg0THi388mLO1LV3Qr0fufYTH2yHP4cF3MCF3CxpSPYLfTVnd YRa4B0MFNp8UzA1+OVDV4/DisXtzHAwQIkFXs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Jq6+Ygqxm6SBMpof1+OX4k0FT66Le4T8lHkaSQDJSeT5z+Pa64+ZlXRI4WvilNTpyb yDgWrio0RZTDiP1idgK36kPraQI5qaQTuyMYq0Jjkz0ioPWMAu4frGLMSlry6ive9ppB gj5mCiFrsr3jyGQBI5unEkxWsQSbS33mbI5Bg= Received: by 10.141.171.6 with SMTP id y6mr4822742rvo.85.1223466546607; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 04:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080810080449y2aabe5fel586d2d7aeab8922b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:49:06 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s In-Reply-To: <48EC4483.806@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <48EC061B.60902@gmail.com> <60f983080810072102s240a523bg2a478ca1f3cbbf39@mail.gmail.com> <48EC4483.806@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 16:52:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ecc931157549117217770 Is it a good idea to get a pancake lens, such as Voigtlander 40mm F2 SL II on my FE2 to instead previous idea of Rollei 35 or XA? --- Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 17:13:29 2008 Received: (qmail 1413 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 15:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 15:13:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D46C67E1; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:06:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:06:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms172071pub.verizon.net (vms172071pub.verizon.net [206.46.172.71]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010FBD1E13 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:02:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.191]) by vms172071.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8F0056Z88DFB63@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:02:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:02:49 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story In-reply-to: <707337.82238.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48ECAF79.50905@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <707337.82238.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 17:13:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ecce1932014673671140 I'm currently photographing an students art portfolio. Most of his prints are by MPIX. Very good quality indeed. BTW, We're using Britek cool lights (http://www.briteklights.com) to light this artwork. They proudly claim light output is daylight balanced. Not. First test roll was extremely cyan (Fuji Sensia 100). Adding a 40R cc filter was necessary to approach what appears to be normal color. Fuji lab is in Parsons, KS (referencing Kodachrome article) and rolls have taken from 7-11 days to get back to us on Long Island. http://www.zuiko.com/index_023.htm ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html AS wrote: > Apparently Kansas has some decent labs. Mpix (aka Miller's) is out of > Kansas. Just had a bunch of stuff printed from MPIX and I am > impressed. ============= > > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 17:25:33 2008 Received: (qmail 11935 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 15:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 15:25:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9643325747; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:18:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:18:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F19CEBEB for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:08:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2581 invoked by uid 518); 8 Oct 2008 15:08:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20081008150817.2580.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:08:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 207.192.249.119 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 17:25:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ecd0ed67102046811720 You've mentioned this diffraction thing before but I have a tough time believing it. Have you got some technical exposition that explains how this can be done? Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Ken Norton > Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 > Sent: Oct 08 '08 08:34 > > Landscape photography generally means DoF and the 2-stop gain with the 4/3 > format does help offset other things, including diffraction.  Speaking of > diffraction, modern lenses are not linear in the diffraction calculations. > You cannot just apply the same old equation which worked for > spherical-elemented primes to today's aspherical wonder-lenses. The optical > engineers have been gaming the physics tables for quite some time. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 18:27:50 2008 Received: (qmail 6768 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 16:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 16:27:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033C31007CB; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:17:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:17:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A73D0969 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:09:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so8222654gxk.17 for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:09:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=YDFwXH2FzRpgK8cbP2HUYconQ9dexCXBELzikyWQk3U=; b=N8dRoeHc4mrRKF4aUMnbsHgrfpGLU5gtzg+zB4OthnoFk7UW5i9aJSBloIS7hCRpF0 BwP6ooLpxJyMhy6pVtTLk9oUfJT0PhBDqm/aGxtuNIjXcLeh2ek/9chyqiDj/iCdVse8 cr3Heuek2+xQGRsHq76qvao5rriptNyFOEbJQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=afydwPvzs4kCVLdS7oQdPltm3VRy6lg5g32/aH1ot3evI7PIkFctKyc9wibXDXiNja rTZ4eXDeJifhEyJ5yfnCaQrdLCqiV48/vEoKt0JlUi8pohDOzz5hTctxK+65ttOXnQiC RXpLyMIztaU4bBScHde3qcFzxSX04E07xCFOo= Received: by 10.90.92.14 with SMTP id p14mr9255260agb.121.1223474966934; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:09:26 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 In-Reply-To: <9DF94CF46443450AA3BFD8600EFE451D@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9DF94CF46443450AA3BFD8600EFE451D@meo.dec.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 71aa261f0c0faca4 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 18:27:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ecdf86200921234514069 >pixels, centimetres, inches, feet, meters ? Inches. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 18:44:02 2008 Received: (qmail 20658 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 16:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 16:44:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6CAE03AE; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:47:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:47:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADBAD091D for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:00:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081008150016.ZPCE8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:00:16 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id QF0F1a0094vDLwc02F0FkE; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:00:15 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=dl_gbCM6zFhlrR9ClHYA:9 a=zyzo7PbB6Nd7c90VetoA:7 a=7a8T0XezfCJiCH1cd5IYuaRex7kA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <48EC061B.60902@gmail.com> <60f983080810072102s240a523bg2a478ca1f3cbbf39@mail.gmail.com> <48EC4483.806@gmail.com> <60f983080810080449y2aabe5fel586d2d7aeab8922b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:00:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 18:44:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ece35297141470116606 I really doubt that the FE2 and a pancake will fit comfortably in your pants pocket. The XA fits perfectly, especially with the rounded corners, and I love carrying it. I've gone as far as 16x20 with the negs with fine results. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wong" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:49 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s Is it a good idea to get a pancake lens, such as Voigtlander 40mm F2 SL II on my FE2 to instead previous idea of Rollei 35 or XA? --- Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1713 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 6:40 PM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 18:48:32 2008 Received: (qmail 32405 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 16:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 16:48:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2542ADEC5D; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:07:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:07:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C42C94C0 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:15:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <28356268.23271223475810814.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 873 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:23:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Addendum to query about successor to E1 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:15:34 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 18:48:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ece460206082336821329 Chris, what would you be looking for when you sell that Kodak? I may know somebody who is looking for one - specially for its good-light ability. If I recall, you can turn its ISO way down, like ISO 6 or something? On 08 Oct 2008, at 2:16 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > > Yes, a medium format camera with a digital back. Cameras like the > 5DII and > EOS 1Ds2 and 1Ds3 will beat 645 and come close to 6x7 but won't > match it or > 4x5. I have a Kodak 14n and it is very close to 645 in quality. > > I actually want to sell the 14n because it sucks for low light work > and I > need a newer camera for some of the commercial work I am doing that > involves > low-light interiors, but for daylight in bright conditions it is > very nice. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 19:53:18 2008 Received: (qmail 4922 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 17:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 17:53:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EE4E1BE1; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:30:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:30:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC88C61FC for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:43:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13933 invoked by uid 518); 8 Oct 2008 14:43:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20081008144353.13932.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Hack your PowerShot Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:43:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 207.192.249.119 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 19:53:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ecf38e296141702588592 FAT 16 is normally limited to 2GB since disk cluster sizes are normally limited to 32KB. But FAT16 can be extended to a total disk size of 4GB by using a cluster size of 64KB (maximum value of an unsigned 16 bit integer). 64KB clusters are considered non-standard although they were allowed for Windows NT where they were first introduced. You will be able to create a 4GB FAT16 partition on your 8GB or even larger card but you won't be able to use the full size of the card. 4GB is a hard and fast limit. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Moose > Subject: [OM] Re: Hack your PowerShot > Sent: Oct 08 '08 05:08 > > usher99@aol.com wrote: > > The port to the G9 is 98% completed for all the firmware flavors--hoorah!  Just a couple minor bugs that are being swatted at light speed. > >   > Great! > > Any DRYOS Cam for now must have the hack loaded on a Fat16 formatted SD. There are some fancier ways for other > > Canyon cams with a small Fat 16 partition to load the hack and a large FAT32 partition. I don't think that works for DRYOS cams 710 a650 G7, G9 AFAIK so > Do you mean the A720? I think the A710 is the old OS. > > I guess the max size card to use would be 4GB. > This isn't the case for the A650. Formatting the card as FAT16 generates > a warning about non-standard cluster sizes, but my 8GB cards work fine > in the camera and in a USB reader. I was even able to recover some files > I erased by accident on one of those cards, so the file system can't be > that odd. Given the file sizes, the bigger cluster size is a non-issue. > > The "update" mode whereby it boots with the native firmware first is unavailable for the G9 though Canyon has made available a patch to update the firmware for a small defect in focusing in higher res movie mode that may enable the developers to reverse engineer this way to load it-. > > I always worry about non vanilla formatting and losing data, but Moose reports no trouble. > >   > Still ... > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 20:00:05 2008 Received: (qmail 4118 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 18:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 18:00:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9440DD041C; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:59:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:59:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6BE100911 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:19:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so8241502gxk.17 for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:19:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=y85P2zeD1+7IgHepDTcod+/tkxV+VhPpOhvbhlbkOsg=; b=VJmz1d+zYo6I3wR08ajgE+C7dShwqEvjrJCOrcmT8cGo65bILYcTFL0tYEq9cRJ0n+ 82XerGflnYtAhHQz9jIch+qmOKaRb9KkP385vt0kcfzk6gZTtp7XVHUaf5+ZusX++ijb 9/G1dNsegBOPz2q9G5NKcN9PwSScTEtH+9a8I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=jEmXXiD6cUawJzn48n4MWV+qa/GzykPvx78e60AfYZGeBVwEGQ4qG/T0wBbSLTT9SY BkXczSmNd8Nkv1KwswssKi1/ARTfDoUMTf0x5NgAShW7+U3q9mTeJtA4Ykhr8cNQa8IW IbkDO0BnETzrOPn/5xOYWED6anUiC6R9OUM0w= Received: by 10.100.240.17 with SMTP id n17mr1648275anh.138.1223475573274; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.96.5 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <25b37d100810080719u56b370d4o50ebceb60a3ff8b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:19:33 -0400 From: "James Howe" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Gallery Comments Solicited MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhoweaa@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 20:00:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ecf525188017350615338 I've just put together a web gallery of images that I've taken with my Olympus E-500/E-3 cameras. The web site was created mostly using the Lightroom 2.0 Web gallery generation capabilities, with some minor modifications to tie things together. It's still in an early state and I hope to make some improvements as time (and HTML knowledge) become more available. The web site is http://www.jameshowephotography.com and I would be interested in getting feedback on both the site and the images. Thanks in advance! -- James Howe ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 20:05:55 2008 Received: (qmail 27612 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 18:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 18:05:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA34C6DE4; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:47:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:47:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23525100963 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:01:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K8F005UKDPY4DB0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:01:10 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-78-86.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.78.86]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:36:26 -0300 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:01:10 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Addendum to query about successor to E1 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <6546C064E783402E9FAF09DF7C2EB7C7@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnIPAJRn7EgYik5W/2dsb2JhbACBbIgTtR8DgWc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,378,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="377853597" References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 20:05:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ecf683183641234514069 ....and none of those sizes will approach the 7" x 17" negatives from a banquet camera used by the head of the fine arts department at Mount Allison University in New Brunswick. See here: www.Holownia.com jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Addendum to query about successor to E1 > > Yes, a medium format camera with a digital back. Cameras like the 5DII and > EOS 1Ds2 and 1Ds3 will beat 645 and come close to 6x7 but won't match it > or > 4x5. I have a Kodak 14n and it is very close to 645 in quality. > > I actually want to sell the 14n because it sucks for low light work and I > need a newer camera for some of the commercial work I am doing that > involves > low-light interiors, but for daylight in bright conditions it is very > nice. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Photography & Graphic Design > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. > > > > On 10/8/08 7:55 AM, "bj@caverock.net.nz" wrote: > >> Hello again, >> >> I guess, given the nature of the competition in the landscape photography >> activity here, what I'd really like is a digital camera that can match >> the >> Pentax 6x7 or one of the Linhof Technoramas using a fine-grained film, >> for >> detail. >> >> Does such a beast exist? >> >> Brian. >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 20:28:46 2008 Received: (qmail 16445 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 18:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 18:28:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B66100159; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:46:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:46:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B11DF95B for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:33:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081008163317.TURE23768.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:33:17 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id QGZH1a0024vDLwc02GZHfi; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:33:17 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AG8sU0ykA3KPBbRJJVIA:9 a=T8gZA6ciRkqqn7yUMKmS7WaBae0A:4 a=rCILQYlsaxwA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <46D0325450FF46C28B8526176316A629@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <707337.82238.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48ECAF79.50905@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:33:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 20:28:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ecfbde6431869477228 Fuji lab is in Parsons, KS (referencing Kodachrome article) and rolls have taken from 7-11 days to get back to us on Long Island. As of several years ago, they were printing from over a thousand kodak discs a week! Dwaynes started out servicing small mom and pop drugstores that couldn't get service from Kodak/Qualex etc. Apparently always did good work, but by no means a pro lab. Mpix (Millers) another story. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 20:31:38 2008 Received: (qmail 8330 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 18:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 18:31:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B9524E78; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:36:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:36:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB7EFEE45 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:41:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <12592397.23281223480956294.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 23 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:49:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:41:20 +0200 References: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> <48EC45F1.4030205@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 20:31:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ecfc8a240371035110158 Hi Ken, I would also be very interested to hear about how this is done. As far as I understand, only by using materials with a negative index of refraction (which practically do not exist yet, apart from small micro-samples using rather large amounts of energy and other trickery to re-direct the flow of photons) could ever reduce the limits of diffraction. Also, almost a bit off-topic, but I recall an informative thread I participated in on the Open Photography forums a while back regarding diffraction and resolution: http://www.openphotographyforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5414 On 08 Oct 2008, at 10:34 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Speaking of > diffraction, modern lenses are not linear in the diffraction > calculations. > You cannot just apply the same old equation which worked for > spherical-elemented primes to today's aspherical wonder-lenses. The > optical > engineers have been gaming the physics tables for quite some time. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 20:43:10 2008 Received: (qmail 19692 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 18:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 18:43:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80C4D08F8; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:56:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:56:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94D0FE9ED for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:54:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <8139946.23241223474540760.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 748 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:02:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <4752d02d654ffca548307e36b2a18135@snap.net.nz> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Addendum to query about successor to E1 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:54:24 +0200 References: <4752d02d654ffca548307e36b2a18135@snap.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 20:43:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ecff3e57431257536491 Hi Brian, Well now... To match a Pentax 67 with its awful shutter vibration, an E-3 should suffice. No seriously, even on a 10Kg tripod, I've seen shutter vibration from the Pentax's barn-door focal-plane shutter. But if you mean a Mamiya RB67, now we're talking... :-) And, as an enthusiastic user of a Linhof Technorama, I can say after preliminary testing that it takes at least a stitch of 10 carefully made images from an E-3 to match it in resolution, but not that many cameras at all can match it in "look" - there is something special about a single capture on Fuji Provia or Velvia that is 17cm wide, as large-format view-camera users will agree. Even stopped down to f/22, DOF is still rather shallow, so if you focus on something 10m away, there is a certain "depth" to the way you can just let your eyes fall into that background - it produces magnificent images, and the Schneider 90mm Super-Angulon is also an utterly perfect super-wide angle lens. That said, and colour and film-character aesthetics aside, I do believe that a carefully made shot from any recent full-frame 35mm digital (except perhaps the Sony A900, which appears to have per-pixel quality more akin to a point-and-shoot than to a DSLR) will give, for most uses, a 6x7cm film capture a go, provided you use really good lenses. The lenses really are key, in my opinion. For example, even a shot made on my 8.2MP Canon 1DMkIIN (which has really good per-pixel quality, and almost non-existent AA filter), using a lens like the EF 50mm f/1.2L (which has hyper-amazing micro contrast and resolution), will give most medium format shots a run for their money, unless you enlarge them to an extreme. I would have to say, if you really want to "match" medium- to large- format film, you either have to get one of the digital backs (even 22MP should resolve better than most films, as those big pixels are especially good) to stick on the back of a Mamiya, Hasselblad or Sinar. To match the Linhof, a Seitz 6x17 Scanning-back camera with 160 Megapixels should suffice, but it will not freeze motion while you wait for it to scan across the whole image plane. It costs $40,000+, and uses the same 90mm lens the Linhof uses (the lens is evidently *that* good :-) I have not seen any single-shot technology which comes close to matching a Linhof Technorama, which is why I presume the prices can be so absurd (I got really lucky on a second-hand deal, I could never afford a new one). On the other hand, I have also never used a camera which is so difficult to make a pleasing shot with, as the Technorama. So - yes, such a beast exists, at a great cost though :-) cheers, Dawid On 08 Oct 2008, at 1:55 PM, wrote: > Hello again, > > I guess, given the nature of the competition in the landscape > photography > activity here, what I'd really like is a digital camera that can > match the > Pentax 6x7 or one of the Linhof Technoramas using a fine-grained > film, for > detail. > > Does such a beast exist? > > Brian. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 23:09:55 2008 Received: (qmail 33 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 21:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 21:09:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C2DA500E; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:11:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:11:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC34A6344 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:26:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20081008182643H04009j5qle>; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:26:43 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <5FCD1E69EE674CE09DFDE34336D382B8@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <25b37d100810080719u56b370d4o50ebceb60a3ff8b6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Gallery Comments Solicited Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:27:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 23:09:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed21a3241351993019900 James, Congratulations on a beautiful gallery. At age 78, I may be biased, because I love the images of old automobiles, and you have included details that I remember from my childhood. While each group takes a few seconds to load on my DSL line, everything else works very smoothly. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Howe" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: [OM] Gallery Comments Solicited > I've just put together a web gallery of images that I've taken with my > Olympus E-500/E-3 cameras. The web site was created mostly using the > Lightroom 2.0 Web gallery generation capabilities, with some minor > modifications to tie things together. It's still in an early state and I > hope to make some improvements as time (and HTML knowledge) become more > available. The web site is http://www.jameshowephotography.com and I > would > be interested in getting feedback on both the site and the images. > > Thanks in advance! > > -- > James Howe > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 8 23:28:42 2008 Received: (qmail 3292 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 21:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 21:28:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9023EC7462; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:14:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:14:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.harbornet.com (smtp.harbornet.com [199.2.132.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C1DC96C5 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:30:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([216.174.237.242]) by smtp.harbornet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m98IEa8r006888 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48ECEE23.2080901@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:30:11 -0700 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <48EC061B.60902@gmail.com> <60f983080810072102s240a523bg2a478ca1f3cbbf39@mail.gmail.com> <48EC4483.806@gmail.com> <60f983080810080449y2aabe5fel586d2d7aeab8922b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60f983080810080449y2aabe5fel586d2d7aeab8922b@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 8 23:28:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed260a259871869477228 Michael, A good combination, the V 40 f/2 is a wonderful lens, one of my favorite manual focus lenses of all time, but even as compact as this setup is it is not really a substitute. It is still to big & heavy to fit in any kind of pocket short of a Parka or photo vest - not really the same thing as the Rollei or the XA. You should be able to get an XA for considerably less than the cost of the 40mm. Jim Couch Michael Wong wrote: > Is it a good idea to get a pancake lens, such as Voigtlander 40mm F2 SL II > on my FE2 to instead previous idea of Rollei 35 or XA? > > > > --- > Michael > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 00:27:52 2008 Received: (qmail 6429 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 22:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 22:27:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD130CA223; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 00:23:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:23:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C915088631 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:54:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 16885 invoked by uid 502); 8 Oct 2008 20:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.191.14) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Oct 2008 20:54:12 -0000 Message-ID: <48ED1DEE.4070407@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:54:06 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Gallery Comments Solicited References: <25b37d100810080719u56b370d4o50ebceb60a3ff8b6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <25b37d100810080719u56b370d4o50ebceb60a3ff8b6@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 00:27:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed33e899131342116753 James Howe wrote: > I've just put together a web gallery of images that I've taken with my Olympus E-500/E-3 cameras. The web site was created mostly using the Lightroom 2.0 Web gallery generation capabilities, with some minor modifications to tie things together. It's still in an early state and I hope to make some improvements as time (and HTML knowledge) become more available. The web site is http://www.jameshowephotography.com and I would > be interested in getting feedback on both the site and the images. > As to the site design and operation: I like the clean, simple look. And I'm a fan of displaying images against black or very dark gray, as you have done. I sometimes like a very narrow white border, 1 or 2 pixels. The main page loads quickly, as do individual images within sub-galleries. However, the sub-galleries are very slow to load. It looks like this may be due to creating all the thumbnail navigation images on the fly? I don't know how this gallery designer works, but pre-creation of the thumbs, storing them on the server and just downloading them as needed is common and fast to load in other gallery software I've used. Element placement is not worked out. Some images overlap the text box and/or the directional arrows. I very much like the fixed arrow locations, which allow browsing without mouse movement, but they should be placed wider apart and image sizes controlled to keep from overlapping them. Upon first entering a sub-gallery, there is no obvious way to navigate. The arrows aren't visible until the mouse approaches their neighborhood. I assumed that the 'thumbnails' button would open a page of thumbnails for the sub-gallery. I didn't discover that it is a filmstrip means of navigation until later, when I wanted an overview of the sub-gallery. The filmstrip overlaid on the current image with images translucent until the mouse goes over them is just too trick for me. I think a gallery should make it easy to see images, not hard. Whether implemented in a scrolling filmstrip or a separate thumbnail page, I like a way to see an overview of the gallery and generally find galleries without it frustrating. Adding CoolIris (nee PicLens) is another way to do this. Just personal reactions to the design. I hope they are helpful. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 00:36:53 2008 Received: (qmail 7271 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 22:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 22:36:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA41A26DE8; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:30:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:30:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5426889635 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:39:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.c54.37ec052b (37162) for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA041-912a48ed0c7b156; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:39:39 -0400 Received: from MBLK-M06 (mblk-m06.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.39]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA025-5bb648ed0c6d361; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:39:25 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Any info on Angenieux 35-70/2.5-3.3 in OM mount??? Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:39:25 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 170.223.203.208 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 170.223.203.208 by MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.39) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:39:25 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF794B494419E-1648-D43@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 00:36:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed3605196081744846740 Thanks much, Moose. Found it remarkable that the review says the performance is diffraction limited at f/5.6 at 35mm. Can't say I've seen that stated for any FF lens at that FL. Perhaps other aberrations are very nicely controlled given the uniform excellent performance at the wide end. Mike I just ran across the Modern test on Brian's site. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 01:37:56 2008 Received: (qmail 14674 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 23:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 23:37:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288D41010F6; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:06:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:06:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7730CC97DD for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:57:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.c91.2ed185ec (37141) for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA033-911548ed10a125; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:57:21 -0400 Received: from MBLK-M06 (mblk-m06.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.39]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA018-5c4a48ed10941f6; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:57:08 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Hack your PowerShot Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:57:08 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 170.223.203.208 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 170.223.203.208 by MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.39) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:57:08 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF7972DFF27C0-1648-EB7@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 01:37:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed445310651529615919 errrrr, Eagle eyed Moose is correct. A710 uses the Vxworks OS. I prefer to believe that was a typo than cognitive error. I did order a new SDHC card with the rebate scheme at 4GB to try the hack. I hope it uses the whole card per Chuck. Perhaps the alternative loading scheme will be perfected, though one of the top tier developers would have to do it and that could be awhile. if ever. I probably wouldn't bother on an A-650 as I can't see ever not loading CHDK and the fuss each time booting the cam wouldn't be worth the larger storage. Perfecting auto-boot with FAT 32 has been mentioned on the dev. site but I don't think there has been much progress. Mike Do you mean the A720? I think the A710 is the old OS. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 01:42:26 2008 Received: (qmail 4974 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2008 23:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 23:42:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA84E04A3; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 01:20:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:20:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 15D02879F3 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:05:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23796 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2008 21:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.158.32) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 21:04:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <9DF94CF46443450AA3BFD8600EFE451D@meo.dec.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:04:58 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 01:42:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed4562264051035110158 The neg or the print? :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/10/2008, at 1:09 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > >> pixels, centimetres, inches, feet, meters ? > > > Inches. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 02:05:18 2008 Received: (qmail 25298 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 00:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 00:05:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F44FE8CC; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 01:16:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:16:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1037EC3EC5 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 00:29:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19151 invoked by uid 502); 8 Oct 2008 22:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.207.240) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Oct 2008 22:29:25 -0000 Message-ID: <48ED3443.20808@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:29:23 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 References: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> <48EC45F1.4030205@gmail.com> <12592397.23281223480956294.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <12592397.23281223480956294.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 02:05:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed4abe134701234514069 Dawid Loubser wrote: > Hi Ken, > > I would also be very interested to hear about how this is done. > Make that three of us. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 02:38:17 2008 Received: (qmail 9850 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 00:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 00:38:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63216D02C6; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:21:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:21:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-1.concepts.nl (smtp-1.concepts.nl [213.197.30.124]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87434CF9AF for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:53:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 5571ffc6.ftth.concepts.nl ([85.113.255.198] helo=[192.168.1.102]) by smtp-1.concepts.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Knf6J-000063-8N for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:53:39 +0200 From: Olaf Greve To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] TOPE 35: anonymity lifted X-Priority: 3 References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <4703D777.3010307@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> Message-Id: <50E63AAF-B93B-432D-920E-141E3645D1FD@millennics.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:53:14 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Concepts-MailScanner-Information: Please contact abuse@concepts.nl for more information X-MailScanner-ID: 1Knf6J-000063-8N X-Concepts-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Concepts-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Concepts-MailScanner-From: ogreve@millennics.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ogreve@millennics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 02:38:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed5279318191823421471 Hiya, I just lifted the anonymity period of TOPE 35, so you can now all go and check out who took which shot. Cheers! Olafo Main page: http://www.tope.nl Direct link to TOPE 35: http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=35 Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: http://www.tope.nl/events.php ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 03:43:47 2008 Received: (qmail 11610 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 01:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 01:43:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF3AC7292; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:59:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:59:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.180]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF079CDF44 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:35:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so851636ele.8 for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:35:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=vrPupCsTe7eGPWuGWMM459ry7mSSmlGAopQkCWzAq9k=; b=D1D3at9otKZNeQIZne+ZOmiXax9QBD1qcR6fFJ9b+DetU89rjpwZlDnU0pp2rTINW3 ZSWWJZiMCs7rK9fSxxQ4t4H3GhsV8bSWBC1mkQ35cOeKnD+IYZ/g36ioZFeNB4HQwBhr pup2uNE1cM+JV7ziMjj9BDNHDnD5ifj/mrEWU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kAVBTYfQ2vZ50O8QaoA3zAGMOndmEf1ptBay77/X/4ENqiXx7aZWC4K4KBD3JdFEYv CPw/OffRK1QWfHD4s0Kb3zyW18KJdgxBOX1TiUtyXPMdloM6RM8itWhOJO/l6wKmHMaV UJdouMCqIRSmnXUKGF9Cx9uLRbdrESgplF3DA= Received: by 10.90.29.13 with SMTP id c13mr9982600agc.32.1223501733343; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:35:33 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 In-Reply-To: <12592397.23281223480956294.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> <48EC45F1.4030205@gmail.com> <12592397.23281223480956294.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 807e1420aa64c76f X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 03:43:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed61d3101421234514069 The principle of diffraction limiting is well known in the world of lasers. With a laser you can easily calculate divergence for any given wavelength. The optical trick to overcome divergence is to place a lens in the optical path to make the beam collimated. By collimating the light as it exits the pupil, you are able to redirect the diffraction-induced divergence. Collimation is standard operating procedure in lens designs for modern zooms as well as "made for digital" lenses. This is one trick in the many books of tricks of optical engineers to overcome the curvature of an optical wavefront. In the early days before aspheric lenses, this effort to collimate the light would result in spherical aberrations. This is very evident in some lenses where a point-source light wouldn't have a visible Airy disc, but would be surrounded by distinct rings or phantom images instead. The calculation for determining the diameter of the Airy disk assumes a "simple lens" with an uncollimated exit. One way to illustrate this is how two lenses of the same focal length render out of focus highlights. This is easy to see with an LED on any electronic device. Take your camera, focus the lens at infinity and move the lens to about 10mm from the light. Look through the viewfinder (or take a picture) with the lens wide-open (or at a given aperture). Now repeat this test with a lens of a different design, but at the same focal length and aperture. You will see that this out-of-focus light will spread to a much greater diameter on an old prime lens than a modern zoom lens where the actual diameter of the LED is limited to about 200% of the actual diameter of the light source. Depending on the design of the older lens, the LED's light may spread to the maximum extent of the imaging circle of the lens. I know this is a seperate issue than diffraction, but the point is that this divergence control that affects out-of-focus highlights also affects diffraction. If a modern lens is capable of limiting the spread of an OOF highlight by 50%, it is also going to limit the spread of that Airy Disk by 50%. In almost all cases, this is done post aperture, although some zooms are actually two or more lenses in one with one pre-aperture and the other post-aperture. As you adjust focal length, the front-group moves, or the rear group moves or even the entire mid-group containing the aperture will move. The front group may move to adjust for wide-angle focal lengths (or at least wider than the centering focal-length of the lens), the rear group will move to adjust for telephoto focal lengths. If you watch some lenses when you zoom you will see some things move at some point and other things move at other points. In summary (yeah right), what I am saying is that the lens engineers are able to game the optical playbook in such a way that the mathematical calculations written around optical wave principles apply, but can be fooled into not being relevent when the output focus point is well known and fixed. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 04:08:00 2008 Received: (qmail 9985 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 02:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 02:08:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF20BCFAEB; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 00:59:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:59:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 02477CDD4E for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:09:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24118 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2008 21:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.158.32) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 21:09:33 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48ECAF79.50905@verizon.net> References: <707337.82238.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48ECAF79.50905@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <67B880A4-2887-497A-AC77-FB3C8F5E670F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:09:32 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 04:08:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed678097721499373980 'Daylight' would cover anything from 4800K to 7000K o it's not terribly precise! Usually 5000K is claimed to be 'natural'. Perhaps you got the 'overcast' bulbs? :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/10/2008, at 12:02 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > BTW, We're using Britek cool lights (http://www.briteklights.com) to > light this artwork. They proudly claim light output is daylight > balanced. Not. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 04:15:01 2008 Received: (qmail 1331 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 02:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 02:15:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4289CB997; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 00:22:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:22:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A00C33E9 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:22:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7678FB05C5 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:22:49 +1100 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ETt3BIBGWfZN for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:22:44 +1100 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7716B068E for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:22:44 +1100 (EST) Received: from c211-30-67-111.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au ([211.30.67.111] helo=[10.0.1.3]) by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KngUZ-00036P-8B for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:22:47 +1100 Message-Id: <68DE3AFA-2DD7-479B-8D64-201E06BBDAD4@wildskies.net> From: Brent To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <25b37d100810080719u56b370d4o50ebceb60a3ff8b6@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Gallery Comments Solicited Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:22:46 +1100 References: <25b37d100810080719u56b370d4o50ebceb60a3ff8b6@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brutherford@wildskies.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 04:15:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed692592963675314703 All of the images I looked at are extraordinary... beautiful... the sort of photographs I aspire to take myself one day. The gallery works pretty well - although it took me a minute to figure out that there was a gallery behind each photo linked off the main page. Perhaps a thumbnail page would help, instead of just the pop up thumbnail bar at the top? I like the couple of entries in your blog and the way you describe the process you went through to obtain the images... have subscribed to it, so I hope you get a chance to update it in the future! :) Brent On 09/10/2008, at 1:19 AM, James Howe wrote: > The web site is http://www.jameshowephotography.com and I would > be interested in getting feedback on both the site and the images. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 04:23:24 2008 Received: (qmail 5771 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 02:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 02:23:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB941101465; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 02:47:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:47:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF61E1C30 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:58:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19981 invoked by uid 502); 8 Oct 2008 20:58:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.191.14) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Oct 2008 20:58:23 -0000 Message-ID: <48ED1EE1.8080008@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:58:09 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Hack your PowerShot References: <20081008144353.13932.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> In-Reply-To: <20081008144353.13932.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 04:23:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed6b1c232821470116606 chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > FAT 16 is normally limited to 2GB since disk cluster sizes are normally limited to 32KB. But FAT16 can be extended to a total disk size of 4GB by using a cluster size of 64KB (maximum value of an unsigned 16 bit integer). 64KB clusters are considered non-standard although they were allowed for Windows NT where they were first introduced. You will be able to create a 4GB FAT16 partition on your 8GB or even larger card but you won't be able to use the full size of the card. 4GB is a hard and fast limit. > Oops, brain fart... 4GB cards. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 04:42:19 2008 Received: (qmail 12628 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 02:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 02:42:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC48BE0021; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 02:06:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:06:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45063C8936 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 01:06:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12655 invoked by uid 502); 8 Oct 2008 23:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.194.114) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Oct 2008 23:06:30 -0000 Message-ID: <48ED3CF4.9040306@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:06:28 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Addendum to query about successor to E1 References: <4752d02d654ffca548307e36b2a18135@snap.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4752d02d654ffca548307e36b2a18135@snap.net.nz> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 04:42:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed6f8b110761591313764 bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > Hello again, > > I guess, given the nature of the competition in the landscape photography activity here, what I'd really like is a digital camera that can match the Pentax 6x7 or one of the Linhof Technoramas using a fine-grained film, for > detail. > > Does such a beast exist? > At the risk of setting off another olio from Ken of information and reports from experience relevant to some aspects of landscape photography, but not to the specific question asked, semi-religious rants and paranoid sounding responses to perceived calumnies aimed at inanimate objects but emotionally responded to as though aimed at himself, I will attempt an informative answer. ====> As regards resolution of detail, and ONLY in that regard: <==== Michael Reichmann and friends did a pretty decent comparison of digital and film from high end FF DSLRs through MF film and backs to 4x5 film. Like any such comparison made in the real world with time and cost constraints, it has its flaws. It is on the other hand unique as far as I know in the range of cameras, film, and sensor sizes involved. The focal distance is too short to definitively apply to landscape work, but as the test is about film/sensor ability to resolve detail, I don't think that matters. It's already out of date and only includes Canon cameras in the DLSR category. However Canon is still the only serious contender in this category to date and reasonable assumptions may be made from the examples. Looking at the 12.7 MP 5D, 16.6 MP 1DsII and 22 MP Phase One P25, I think one may get a pretty good idea where the 5DII will fall. My personal guess, based on the improvements Canon has been making in pixel level resolution, is that the 21 MP 5D will fall about with the P30, if not the P45, considerably better than the 645 film, slightly better than the 4x5 film, perhaps slightly behind the P45 and certainly behind the 4x5 scanning back. I haven't mentioned the 1DsIII for a couple of simple reasons. It's the same nominal resolution as the 5D and much more expensive. It's sensor system is now one design cycle behind the 5D. --------- Ignoring the reported problems with vibration of the Pentax, I expect the 5DII to meet or exceed any results from 6x7 film. I wouldn't expect crops from it to match fine grain film in a Technorama. However, it would require a huge print to make the difference visible. All this pixel peeping is all very entertaining, but it's useful to keep some perspective. At what size will the actual full images be presented? These cameras are out at the point where images over a metre wide might be necessary to see the differences. An E-3 will significantly exceed what you are getting with the E-1 a 5D far exceed it and a 5DII will blow you mind when you first view the images with a good lens full size. It will also put you in the running with your competitive landscapers in detail resolved, if not always in money spent and sheer physical impressiveness of equipment. To take full advantage of this kind of sensor resolution, you will need to spend some money on good lenses, but you already knew that. :-) As to the Technorama, consider doing four shot panoramas and I think you will be there. As I recall, you have been struggling along with already inadequate computer horsepower, Have you budgeted for a real image processing machine? Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 04:53:28 2008 Received: (qmail 12450 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 02:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 02:53:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E462540D; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 00:39:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:39:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7F1A4716 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:57:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EAE314024 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87A9314022 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48ED2CB2.609@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:57:06 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Evening walk Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081008-1, 10/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 04:53:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed722793751234514069 Watching the whales on our walk last night. Jan's island Saltspring in the background. http://www.interisland.net/watershed/mike/WalkDogs/073.jpg E510 + 40~150 1/400 f5.6 70mm curves Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 05:09:02 2008 Received: (qmail 32418 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 03:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 03:09:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6003C71B7; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 01:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D13AE0AE8 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31605 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2008 20:44:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=5q5CF1KWJRrsUShpugDpf3e4GxZaHWDrM4zeMvTYg4U6QXFBKDUDDPqdfrsrOT4JVRA1mCIqTs9QU+gw7sG0V01Pmt2I/vcJpIE21voXp92CD1R0XKwnBHrBrzjXIRsQDytdycCZOzYr36IC0DoFf5eVkDYfEJQ0Hsewr2AHxck=; X-YMail-OSG: LwjhoBgVM1m49.gdhXlwFbxEDelBbTCg_ds0OKIyadhfcjOLkmx5kGAOEX1k4aD.IPDrDaW1VLg0RCj3yZKt.lLWqF4L9Z6toz4ChUPxl1i_fTef6JUzFXOx_lj.hc3Kfsh6iA-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:44:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:44:34 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <46D0325450FF46C28B8526176316A629@SueHome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <417601.30783.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 05:09:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed75ce35831234514069 Millers another story? Tell me more...good, bad, or ugly!? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 05:30:43 2008 Received: (qmail 24066 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 03:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 03:30:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B15A5385; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 03:48:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:48:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F29327896 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 02:23:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d11so226334and.115 for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:23:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6Eat4TDLwtYZPoiYUaQmkpmiX6BxQkiK12DpflgFCP4=; b=jBMGrR7XmC9P3/rU/BNegXW8uNvbjOUmaHozvUDPfm4ZMSqivVsoGHNx1NW69w2JEs z/TzwQi946BY5WcyEqAyTdYdF4evS20Hg4cOgFysPjtZRTZxng0ZswfBh82Z6589NUSM tDZdbCY+oahUbjGYlJ6qyo2daOZFlNlOJKSEQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Hwfm9TgpLdGjCCFNNFETVesfhm0vGH9cdxjGrxBbfzggZqbLbkdL6Yi56mkkhCwJAl 1681JsLi3npSzlFaP/RNWeYbqgYgw8wIggE8owCCGzhjIOSQg+7+WbVETXqt/upkuHNt 9h7YgnAZPiq21znCOmhiQu2jSAyeNuRys4uvc= Received: by 10.100.171.10 with SMTP id t10mr2746982ane.85.1223511812849; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.96.5 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <25b37d100810081723y5e511404h59dc2f4db04d266a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:23:32 -0400 From: "James Howe" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Gallery Comments Solicited In-Reply-To: <48ED1DEE.4070407@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <25b37d100810080719u56b370d4o50ebceb60a3ff8b6@mail.gmail.com> <48ED1DEE.4070407@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhoweaa@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 05:30:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed7ae3144271073733319 On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Moose wrote: > James Howe wrote: > > I've just put together a web gallery of images that I've taken with my > Olympus E-500/E-3 cameras. The web site was created mostly using the > Lightroom 2.0 Web gallery generation capabilities, with some minor > modifications to tie things together. It's still in an early state and I > hope to make some improvements as time (and HTML knowledge) become more > available. The web site is http://www.jameshowephotography.com and I > would > > be interested in getting feedback on both the site and the images. > > > As to the site design and operation: > > I like the clean, simple look. And I'm a fan of displaying images > against black or very dark gray, as you have done. I sometimes like a > very narrow white border, 1 or 2 pixels. > > The main page loads quickly, as do individual images within > sub-galleries. However, the sub-galleries are very slow to load. It > looks like this may be due to creating all the thumbnail navigation > images on the fly? I don't know how this gallery designer works, but > pre-creation of the thumbs, storing them on the server and just > downloading them as needed is common and fast to load in other gallery > software I've used. > [....] > > Just personal reactions to the design. I hope they are helpful Thanks for the comments. Many of the items you raise are issue that I have as well, particularly the way the navigation aids appear (and where they appear). If I understand the operation of the page, when it loads it loads all of the images rather than bringing up the image when requested. Depending on your network connection and the browser you are using, this can create a delay. I've tried to keep the number of images in each gallery small to avoid a huge load time. Anyway I appreciate you looking at the site and giving me your comments. Thanks! -- James Howe ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 06:36:29 2008 Received: (qmail 5277 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 04:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 04:36:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5564CFFC92; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 03:10:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:10:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.harbornet.com (smtp.harbornet.com [199.2.132.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3D6CA174 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 02:20:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([216.174.237.242]) by smtp.harbornet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m9914kcx017199 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48ED4E46.7040103@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:20:22 -0700 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 References: <2129d1c94bb397d13d05faba341df326@snap.net.nz> <48EC45F1.4030205@gmail.com> <12592397.23281223480956294.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <48ED3443.20808@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48ED3443.20808@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 06:36:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed8a4d282351823421471 Four, inquiring minds want to know... Jim Couch Moose wrote: > Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> Hi Ken, >> >> I would also be very interested to hear about how this is done. >> >> > Make that three of us. > > Moose > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 06:36:44 2008 Received: (qmail 31518 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 04:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 04:36:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5565A87666; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 04:52:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:52:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7983E07ED for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 01:45:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([75.117.21.105]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081008234533.KPUB5331.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:45:33 -0500 Received: from XPS400.alltel.net ([75.117.21.105]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081008234533.EDTA28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:45:33 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:45:33 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Johnny Johnson Subject: [OM] Re: Any info on Angenieux 35-70/2.5-3.3 in OM mount??? In-Reply-To: <8CAF794B494419E-1648-D43@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAF794B494419E-1648-D43@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20081008234533.EDTA28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NE2fp41cXzkA:10 a=YNza5dIpvWUA:10 a=iyHw7vsXv5io0kwO7v1hNw==:17 a=oWxuDuGBglPLXiVKgG4A:9 a=jwLE2ceiAm0adsIcEUNrJIwLfGcA:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=_KtGf5bnNxAA:10 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jjohnso4@alltel.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 06:36:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed8a5c90551234514069 At 03:39 PM 10/8/2008, usher99@aol.com wrote: >Found it remarkable that the review says the performance is diffraction >limited at f/5.6 >at 35mm. Can't say I've seen that stated for any FF lens at that FL. The Zeiss Contax lenses that so many people rave about also peak at f4 to f5.6 - at least up through the 135/2. Later, Johnny __________________________ Johnny Johnson Cleveland, GA mailto:jjohnso4@alltel.net ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 07:43:24 2008 Received: (qmail 16442 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 05:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 05:43:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AD8D1EFF; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:37:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:37:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1376D8A70C for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 01:34:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30388 invoked by uid 502); 8 Oct 2008 23:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.162.160) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Oct 2008 23:34:26 -0000 Message-ID: <48ED4380.6060302@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:34:24 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Addendum to query about successor to E1 References: <6546C064E783402E9FAF09DF7C2EB7C7@hudson> In-Reply-To: <6546C064E783402E9FAF09DF7C2EB7C7@hudson> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 07:43:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed99fc79054673671140 John Hudson wrote: > ....and none of those sizes will approach the 7" x 17" negatives from a banquet camera used by the head of the fine arts department at Mount Allison University in New Brunswick. > > See here: www.Holownia.com > Large images with intense detail are really difficult to represent in web size images. Those that I viewed on this site are particularly bad. They give me no sense at all of the results from such a camera. I think this does a better job of giving an idea of what images from a banquet camera of that size look/feel like. Viewing the contact print even quite close up, but without a glass, gives the impression of enormous detail out almost to the edges. The actual amount of detail, while impressive, is less than the impression it gives seen whole. High contrast contributes to the impression of sharpness and detail, but loses shadow and highlight detail. Here's a full pixel detail. This image is a combination of two shot with the 5D and Tamron 90/2.8 macro lens. I took more overlapping shots, but only needed the two. I believe the grain seen in the 100% view is film grain. Also, the sample is as good as resolution/sharpness gets in the image and it declines to the sides. So I think the print is in part lens limited. I also have read taht film flatness was a problem with these cameras, which may also be part of the reason for subtly different apparent resolution in different parts of the image. All this also may mean that the 5D with excellent lens out resolves the original camera/film combo in the vertical dimension. My wild guess is that a single 5DII image cropped to these proportions would meet or beat the original. With newer lens and current film quality, probably not. The bride turns 90 this year. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 07:47:16 2008 Received: (qmail 3409 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 05:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 05:47:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6424D07D3; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:44:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:44:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.230]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CA3DF2B4 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:07:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so4061614rvb.29 for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:07:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=YV9Z8kTnpIbokow7tXY3jnnjRPWbd8+q7b4b14CG1O4=; b=xdTVcpPEvPMYjOr+KROZeCBU2/9Ar8o8W/vtmzWpq+HvliWUjF96GZxCA9xmd/4ihz c3HFWsF+RZkoiJgyK/yA4H3rT8G8tLdUs33LQlkQ5hnr2LpFnQdL05N+5aJAxNTmOcqJ u4Y557eqjoSP6JcocZ5YU56GRQcp4uAwvfT50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=W/t08t05ol8dlEvaaSC9uQQ8lZu5a/ItTJgV7m96kPfI8KYC3XSM8M3TUmRphp1Ezs LcyVXFAv/5NIecxcM/nEUuBfz4DpGcdj24pzGkCUfz9uNv4zIlm6yYlxcM3L6Bfi6ly3 p3Zn02UQQ5CPANOBkw+08+lp7IZb9xsr+Vpfw= Received: by 10.141.28.4 with SMTP id f4mr5722653rvj.66.1223521674690; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080810082007o38261c3ewf9ce9a53922f756c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:07:54 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s In-Reply-To: <48ECEE23.2080901@spokeandsprocket.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <48EC061B.60902@gmail.com> <60f983080810072102s240a523bg2a478ca1f3cbbf39@mail.gmail.com> <48EC4483.806@gmail.com> <60f983080810080449y2aabe5fel586d2d7aeab8922b@mail.gmail.com> <48ECEE23.2080901@spokeandsprocket.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 07:47:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed9ae4300661470116606 Jim, Yup, the idea is dropped. --- Michael 2008/10/9 Jim Couch > Michael, > > A good combination, the V 40 f/2 is a wonderful lens, one of my favorite > manual focus lenses of all time, but even as compact as this setup is it > is not really a substitute. It is still to big & heavy to fit in any > kind of pocket short of a Parka or photo vest - not really the same > thing as the Rollei or the XA. You should be able to get an XA for > considerably less than the cost of the 40mm. > > Jim Couch > > Michael Wong wrote: > > Is it a good idea to get a pancake lens, such as Voigtlander 40mm F2 SL > II > > on my FE2 to instead previous idea of Rollei 35 or XA? > > > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 07:48:59 2008 Received: (qmail 1951 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 05:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 05:48:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92D3C8580; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:38:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:38:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56559A591A for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:52:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EC11BF6669 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:52:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7XBMhBKmzBCX for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64CE1BF665A for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081009024151.E9E5326BC1@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Evening walk Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:52:15 -0700 References: <20081009024151.E9E5326BC1@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 07:48:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed9b4b1711823421471 > From: Mike > > Jan's island Saltspring in the background. I'd be happy to pay off just 40 acres of it... Nice shot, but you left off the little "You Are Here -->" arrow in the gap between Bruce Peak and Mt. Maxwell. :-) :::: "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad :::: "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer" - Adolf Hitler :::: Jan Steinman ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 07:56:43 2008 Received: (qmail 3020 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 05:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 05:56:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4851D1041; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:54:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:54:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B0DC2AAD for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:47:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so684895yxj.89 for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:47:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=6TFicjMQtAJ6ZikMd2dIBR7eqKaHlqVvkxo1PwD+WMc=; b=YxwyLtkuH46Z7B1of/Bw0HR/1cbUx/Das+bDjN3Yvg3sAWJp74wuWwiMx9ygswlHPx hOnzaDWLNmu9eKJ2+0P6Ux/eNloW1DJ8D9pLInMFUbpUAC2J6PJkh8JYOx6/VRG0Z+rX wdrEGILkB7Da83Z/yfCT0Zy5wHby7xBXvYxgI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=nnpHQZ+FnpX4sJqSAO+x0l2/mrCC6TGfiNt8fSl+D3Qe0feflbgRJMZJQPsqZnC2d9 ig/GIk7nHSNUdP61Y4WFeJ9YR6PfU9EczcKIjSLmWwPGO3bdy4iJ5AsHIpxxovk+o59C 99qBM7NltLGs3rqctlaFmwLu7sQPXCubRGVBE= Received: by 10.90.91.9 with SMTP id o9mr10528599agb.35.1223527641961; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:47:21 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Addendum to query about successor to E1 In-Reply-To: <48ED3CF4.9040306@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <4752d02d654ffca548307e36b2a18135@snap.net.nz> <48ED3CF4.9040306@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 225f679e22b6bb28 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 07:56:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ed9d1b52337350615338 >At the risk of setting off another olio from Ken of information and >reports from experience relevant to some aspects of landscape >photography, but not to the specific question asked, semi-religious >rants and paranoid sounding responses to perceived calumnies aimed at >inanimate objects but emotionally responded to as though aimed at >himself, I will attempt an informative answer. No dispute from me. Canon has won. Game over. Feel free to pick the 30D which Luminous-Landscape boldly declared to be superior to 35mm Provia. Or the 10D which rewrote what being better than 35mm Provia as all about. Or the 20D which not only beat 35mm, but was claimed to be better than 6x7 Provia or the 5D which was claimed to be better than 4x5 Velvia. Now the 5Dmk2 is better than ANY other format of any kind in the entire history of photography! Just which camp is espousing semi-religious claims of nirvana? You'd have to be a complete idiot to not recognize the total superiority of the Canon 5Dmk2 over everything else in the world. Only fools would buy anything but this 2008/2009 version of the 30D, 60D, 10D, 20D, 5D... The Canon 5Dmk2 is now the official Landscape Camera for the 2009 shooting season. Anybody with a lesser camera should just stay home. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 08:25:01 2008 Received: (qmail 28760 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 06:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 06:25:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6F7A434B; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:07:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:07:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1EBCA2BE4 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:06:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so4061186rvb.29 for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:06:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vKXJepUVDOMt0UKbkGGXzCqLwLbPhHNYPacHrF92kOQ=; b=FM1ZuDUBuIYTwfSY3Xs02cUgPpvVVokCS/cYJpNGtJavFMMUDcfkoq5HCi7B8fSzBI 8cufL3r5pEOnrCR/Y0wGuPzwFbCf6djDGtpCRrU5hEZO/pQHqTBI01FKNt+MzMBlbERm vXrjgKnUs1DWKs+CjUjDSUkkdXtZ8QyeN64Ao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Ugjvb2y7BrFgNwdj/KlSOUmIkju4pdkv7LCV2uaTBSV1ZUXaRQAs8zEtiGnITA6ynL jNcNIwdCEqXM5tHGAqmkUv+ZNho4IiK+d91oUg1MxWJnMdSGrp/aijzGXLMgrWMgz+OR lFhDfFM1eg9JjJyE3Qsx56o9sjsToltPrt0zo= Received: by 10.141.211.5 with SMTP id n5mr1193476rvq.115.1223521616510; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080810082006t76017dc7g2e9377ef975ff435@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:06:56 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080810070236w36ae10a2o1a4aa3f50522369a@mail.gmail.com> <48EC061B.60902@gmail.com> <60f983080810072102s240a523bg2a478ca1f3cbbf39@mail.gmail.com> <48EC4483.806@gmail.com> <60f983080810080449y2aabe5fel586d2d7aeab8922b@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 08:25:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eda3bd90231234514069 Yup, I think FE2 is too large for my purpose. By the way, I went to China to print large picture as 20x30 & 30x30 last month. I saw a picture which 50x75 was printed by a 135mm film, amazing. --- Michael 2008/10/8 Sue Pearce > > I really doubt that the FE2 and a pancake will fit comfortably in your > pants > pocket. The XA fits perfectly, especially with the rounded corners, and I > love carrying it. I've gone as far as 16x20 with the negs with fine > results. > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Wong" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:49 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: Rollei 35/35s > > > > Is it a good idea to get a pancake lens, such as Voigtlander 40mm F2 SL II > on my FE2 to instead previous idea of Rollei 35 or XA? > > > > --- > Michael > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1713 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 > 6:40 PM > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 08:26:38 2008 Received: (qmail 30205 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 06:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 06:26:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF264E01DA; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:21:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:21:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47315CBA4C for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 02:32:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so9150621gxk.17 for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:32:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=uoE6cUJGDF5XtsB6F5Qp8iiWHG0gqF5pWCKBquhCKak=; b=Uu3/qmpcIu7FB27AcHi/8F1aShdEbURkYqSIjwxSFzhCOO6soznLriP47RcwQkT3r1 R9p28BYzX/pN+E8CgCdsT5lr4SREzzRQBthR5UGS6rQzTUwQQ8jKlrmgeGYcl9v0RxfK xTk3s1zLPTBwXpmrmvK+AgAznzj8V4cNjc1dE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=O5M2ZsJ5x7qcIfOuZSqPtMnS+hifVmRP7vUbSc95Bh01nuXqK6UtuyggQWhfj4dHk+ 6VcnEHvaFcYbjukJW/oaC6659iKCOru7x+WfgtjqI+XICNjOkg+ZOFqVxOSnMmknZywj JlZMnP532QK2Ifh+enQFHl8/tUrWZgjpllgk4= Received: by 10.100.174.2 with SMTP id w2mr2754265ane.9.1223512325723; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.96.5 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <25b37d100810081732s116ec38fuea93426bcffe3139@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:32:05 -0400 From: "James Howe" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Gallery Comments Solicited In-Reply-To: <5FCD1E69EE674CE09DFDE34336D382B8@jimnichols> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <25b37d100810080719u56b370d4o50ebceb60a3ff8b6@mail.gmail.com> <5FCD1E69EE674CE09DFDE34336D382B8@jimnichols> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhoweaa@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 08:26:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eda41e47771529615919 Thanks for looking in. I have a second gallery of automobile shots that I plan to upload in the next few days which you might enjoy as well. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > > James, > > Congratulations on a beautiful gallery. At age 78, I may be biased, > because > I love the images of old automobiles, and you have included details that I > remember from my childhood. While each group takes a few seconds to load > on > my DSL line, everything else works very smoothly. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Howe" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:19 AM > Subject: [OM] Gallery Comments Solicited > > > > I've just put together a web gallery of images that I've taken with my > > Olympus E-500/E-3 cameras. The web site was created mostly using the > > Lightroom 2.0 Web gallery generation capabilities, with some minor > > modifications to tie things together. [...] > > -- > > James Howe > > > -- James Howe ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 09:08:54 2008 Received: (qmail 29928 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 07:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 07:08:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257D5E0E6F; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:22:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:22:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB170A4291 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:55:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48150C96E1 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:12:29 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <17FDB78B-A95D-458C-A217-AB571B40D344@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48ED2CB2.609@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Evening walk Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:55:17 +0100 References: <48ED2CB2.609@interisland.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 09:08:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48edae06256611234514069 Thanks, Mike. It's interesting to be able to place Jan. Chris On 8 Oct 2008, at 22:57, Mike wrote: > > Watching the whales on our walk last night. Jan's island Saltspring in > the background. > > http://www.interisland.net/watershed/mike/WalkDogs/073.jpg > E510 + 40~150 1/400 f5.6 70mm curves ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 09:17:00 2008 Received: (qmail 23767 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 07:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 07:16:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32CA0C3C7A; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:16:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:16:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1E3C8E4D for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:47:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD33C1BF6604 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:47:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jiTHqtRXFfIn for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6861BF65F5 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <417D14A7-D750-4A0F-945A-FF23FAE40732@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081009024151.E9E5326BC1@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:47:36 -0700 References: <20081009024151.E9E5326BC1@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 09:17:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48edafec312521585427447 > From: Dawid Loubser > > As far as I understand, only by using materials with a negative index > of refraction > (which practically do not exist yet, apart from small micro-samples > using > rather large amounts of energy and other trickery to re-direct the > flow of > photons) could ever reduce the limits of diffraction. I've been following this, and I was under the impression that negative refraction indices had only been achieved for much longer wavelengths, such as microwaves. I don't think visible light negative refraction index materials exist yet. (But if they do, please send me to a reference.) :::: I think our [energy] policy is called "aircraft carriers." -- Irwin Steltzer, 1987 :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 10:25:51 2008 Received: (qmail 17210 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 08:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 08:25:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C426CF9E7; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:05:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:05:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BAB89C1A for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:42:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0C91BF656B for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:42:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q2Pp1ki5Fr9F for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC681BF655A for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <8FD9C792-BEE2-4A5D-A97F-19442927A3B5@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081009024151.E9E5326BC1@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:42:00 -0700 References: <20081009024151.E9E5326BC1@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 10:25:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48edc00f326257350615338 > From: "Ken Norton" > > The E-3 is actually very remarkable. I wouldn't hesitate for a > second to > happily use it for "landscape photography"... > Another critical advantage to the Olympus cameras is the color > rendition... > it still blows the doors off of ANY slide > film... > I have found that I need much less color > processing with Olympus images than what most people have to do. I > never > was able to get Nikon D2X images to match either color films or the > Olympus > cameras. Woa, Ken -- better watch what you're writing. You'll get thrown off the Olympus List if you don't kneel before the full-frame alter! :::: Science uses mathematics to predict the future; economics uses statistics to predict the past. -- Jeff Barton :::: Jan Steinman ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 11:18:52 2008 Received: (qmail 30626 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 09:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 09:18:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C13EFEB32; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:15:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:15:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E452C40D2 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:30:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 189.red-83-45-237.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.45.237.189]:50561 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Knp2S-0006q9-4J (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:30:20 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Picture a Day discussion group , Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:30:18 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 11:18:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48edcc7c66191073733319 Sunday afternoon in the central square of Altea, near Benidorm, local people, young and old, enjoy a pre-lunch drink in the sunshine. Scenes like this, at this time of year, are one of the reasons why people find the lifestyle here so pleasant: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#390021598_gVRBq-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 11:32:08 2008 Received: (qmail 7385 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 09:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 09:32:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD569C4284; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:59:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:59:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054C2C43BB for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:33:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <17597716.23481223538078655.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 100 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:41:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48ED3CF4.9040306@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Addendum to query about successor to E1 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:33:24 +0200 References: <4752d02d654ffca548307e36b2a18135@snap.net.nz> <48ED3CF4.9040306@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 11:32:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48edcf98110189117217770 Though our testing was rather unscientific, it did appear that a Technorama shot resolved the same, if not more, detail than a 10-shot panorama with an E-3 and ZD 50-200 stopped down to optimum aperture. I don't have a good enough scanner to show this (yet!!) this is from looking at the 6x17cm slide on a light table, and the panorama stitch on-screen. But sure: I doubt if you will see differences in anything but the hugest print. The only reason to keep on using these old film cameras is because of either the aesthetic appeal of the images, or because it's fun to use them. And, of course, if you don't shoot thousands of images, cost is a big factor: The digital equivalents are still pretty expensive compared to the MF film cameras (Technorama aside, in anyway). On 09 Oct 2008, at 1:06 AM, Moose wrote: > As to the Technorama, consider doing four shot panoramas and I think > you > will be there. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 12:18:35 2008 Received: (qmail 7650 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 10:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 10:18:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD968DECEA; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:59:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:59:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF1BCF8C1 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:28:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <23830943.23471223537750635.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 396 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:35:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <417D14A7-D750-4A0F-945A-FF23FAE40732@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: A successor to my E1 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:27:55 +0200 References: <20081009024151.E9E5326BC1@ml.free.fr> <417D14A7-D750-4A0F-945A-FF23FAE40732@Bytesmiths.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 12:18:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48edda7b199031234514069 They claim to have achieved this last year at Ames Laboratory, have a look here: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-01/dl-mft010407.php?light I think they are still far, far away from producing a real lens (with an outline of the hurdles to be overcome in the article) but it's a step in the right direction. I can only imagine the photographic possibilities one day:-) On 09 Oct 2008, at 5:47 AM, Jan Steinman wrote: >> > I've been following this, and I was under the impression that negative > refraction indices had only been achieved for much longer wavelengths, > such as microwaves. I don't think visible light negative refraction > index materials exist yet. (But if they do, please send me to a > reference.) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 12:50:58 2008 Received: (qmail 20705 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 10:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 10:50:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A02B8AB18; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:03:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:03:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90ED6895B1 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:23:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1577 invoked by uid 502); 9 Oct 2008 08:22:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.165.125) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Oct 2008 08:22:59 -0000 Message-ID: <48EDBF5E.8020502@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:22:54 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Any info on Angenieux 35-70/2.5-3.3 in OM mount??? References: <8CAF794B494419E-1648-D43@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> <20081008234533.EDTA28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <20081008234533.EDTA28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 12:50:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ede212207321234514069 Johnny Johnson wrote: > At 03:39 PM 10/8/2008, usher99@aol.com wrote: > > >> Found it remarkable that the review says the performance is diffraction limited at f/5.6 >> at 35mm. Can't say I've seen that stated for any FF lens at that FL. >> > > The Zeiss Contax lenses that so many people rave about also peak at f4 to f5.6 - at least up through the 135/2. > I was also wondering about that statement in the review. I suspect a statement that performance started to fall off after f5.6 would be more appropriate - and accurate. The Tamron 90/2.8 in Pop Photo's test had an optimum aperture for macro of - wait for it - f2.8, although performance was great down to f22. My test of the later, Di version showed the same thing. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 13:04:04 2008 Received: (qmail 14763 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 11:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 11:04:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BA7C6BD2; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:06:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:06:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 93EFDA5B70 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:54:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 32434 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 08:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 08:54:36 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <4752d02d654ffca548307e36b2a18135@snap.net.nz> <48ED3CF4.9040306@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Addendum to query about successor to E1 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:54:33 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 13:04:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ede524127481499373980 Can I go and get one or do I have to hide indoors until the courier knocks on the door with mine, quivering in a corner with rage and shame? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/10/2008, at 3:47 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > The Canon 5Dmk2 is now the official Landscape Camera for the 2009 > shooting > season. Anybody with a lesser camera should just stay home. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 13:26:45 2008 Received: (qmail 26462 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 11:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 11:26:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F997A5F00; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:24:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:24:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6928FE070F for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:17:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 29961 invoked by uid 502); 9 Oct 2008 08:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.165.125) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Oct 2008 08:17:04 -0000 Message-ID: <48EDBDFB.1050100@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:16:59 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Evening walk References: <20081009024151.E9E5326BC1@ml.free.fr> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 13:26:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48edea7570577350615338 Jan Steinman wrote: >> From: Mike >> >> Jan's island Saltspring in the background. >> > > I'd be happy to pay off just 40 acres of it... > > Nice shot, but you left off the little "You Are Here -->" arrow in the gap between Bruce Peak and Mt. Maxwell. :-) > So add it yourself So we can take proper aim. :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 13:48:54 2008 Received: (qmail 22030 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 11:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 11:48:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43846DEBAE; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:25:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:25:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E4C01C328A for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:49:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9283 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 09:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 09:49:12 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <3C087681-BE17-4DEC-9D84-DC1EBDF4D233@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:49:09 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 13:48:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48edefa612311257536491 Near Benidorm? You mean - they're not all tourists from Liverpool and Dusseldorf? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/10/2008, at 5:30 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Sunday afternoon in the central square of Altea, near Benidorm, local > people, young and old, enjoy a pre-lunch drink in the sunshine. Scenes > like this, at this time of year, are one of the reasons why people > find the lifestyle here so pleasant: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#390021598_gVRBq-O-LB ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 16:39:50 2008 Received: (qmail 23236 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 14:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 14:39:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39C3879EB; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:12:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:12:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21095A4BBD for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:15:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28555 invoked by uid 502); 9 Oct 2008 08:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.165.125) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Oct 2008 08:14:39 -0000 Message-ID: <48EDBD6A.70308@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:14:34 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Addendum to query about successor to E1 References: <4752d02d654ffca548307e36b2a18135@snap.net.nz> <48ED3CF4.9040306@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 16:39:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ee17b650791946193717 Ken Norton wrote: > >At the risk of setting off another olio from Ken of information and > >> reports from experience relevant to some aspects of landscape >> photography, but not to the specific question asked, semi-religious >> rants and paranoid sounding responses to perceived calumnies aimed at >> inanimate objects but emotionally responded to as though aimed at >> himself, I will attempt an informative answer. >> Look Ken, I don't know at whom or what you are ranting. Is it just me? Am I really THAT wrong and wrong headed? Am I just a convenient surrogate target? Someone you can shoot at who will make a good fight of it? Who or what are you really so very angry at? Sure, Michael Reichmann is a bit of a loony sometimes. (By the way, isn't he on a Nikon binge lately?) Sure, dpreview gets some things wrong. But I never just spout their conclusions, particularly as I often disagree with them. Absent the means to buy all these cameras and do my own testing, I look around for folks kind enough to take and post standardized subjects that allow direct comparison of images from different cameras. As it happens, Brian asked a very specific question about detail resolution of cameras, that point being even more clearly stated in his second post. So if you don't agree that that is a meaningful question for a landscape photographer, why not post a reasoned and organized discussion of what other factors he should consider and why. If you disagree with my analysis based on the images I used, why not say why and how you disagree, rather than this childlike ranting? > > No dispute from me. Canon has won. Game over. Oh pshaw! Nikon is on a roll, Oly has done better in DSLRs lately than in ages. I didn't say Canon is best in any overall way, nor even the best landscape camera. I answered a specific question. And I believe my answer was accurate. Again, if you disagree, show us. I'd think you've been around long enough to know that the leaders in various fields change with time. Who ever heard of LG? They just dropped out of the sky, as far as I know. But their TVs get good reviews and I have one of their phones. It works well and takes surprisingly decent pictures, although I've never used it for that other than from curiosity. Maybe five years from now we will all either be using LG DSLRs or lusting after them. I also said I believed the 5DII would be the most popular landscape camera for a while. That doesn't mean it will be the best in all ways, nor that the best landscape images will be taken with it. The photographer still matters a great deal. > Feel free to pick the 30D which Luminous-Landscape boldly declared to be superior to 35mm Provia. Or the 10D which rewrote what being better than 35mm Provia as all about. Or the 20D which not only beat 35mm, but was claimed to be better than 6x7 Provia or the 5D which was claimed to be better than 4x5 Velvia. OK. Are you claiming his shots in the L-L article I linked to are frauds? Did you actually look at them? You don't need to read his opinions, just look at that d**n images. The 5D clearly does not resolve more detail than 4x5 Velvia. Extrapolation from the available images suggests that the 5DII may, in fact, end up doing so, or at least equal it. AGAIN, I am not talking about ANY IQ factor other than resolution of detail. Back to E-3 and 5D, I ask the same question. Are you saying that the images posted on dpreview are faked? I used them for my source because they have recently started to publish images from RAW files, which I consider a better indicator of IQ capability than JPEGs. Lenses seem comparable, 50/2 DZ Macro and EF 85/1.8. You can try it yourself. I downloaded the ISO 100 RAW derived samples and compared them, both at native resolution and with the 5D images downsampled to match the E-3. There's not a doubt. It's as clear as day. The E-3 is just soft and fuzzy at 100% compared to the 5D. That doesn't mean the E-3 is a crappy camera. It just means that on one aspect of image quality, it is, not surprisingly, not quite as good as a much more expensive camera with a much larger sensor. Why should that surprise anyone, let alone upset them? So Brian asked; what am I supposed to do? Lie to him? > Now the 5Dmk2 is better than ANY other format of any kind in the entire history of photography! > You said it. I'm not aware of anyone else saying any such thing. Hyperbole doesn't become you, at least not when you become it. > Just which camp is espousing semi-religious claims of nirvana? > I just gather the data and draw simple conclusions. I don't particularly like or dislike Canon, the company. If I were to rank the companies I have some emotional attachment to, it would be Oly first and Nikon a distant second. I'm sure not in love with the 5D, as camera. It's missing several features that competitors have and I would love to have. Ergonomically, it happens to fit my hand nicely, which is a blessing, and I can find most of the important buttons most of the time. Still, it's all about the image, and I'll put up with some inconvenience for IQ. Yes, I know, I know, our criteria differ. But I tell you straight, the 5D delivers on those IQ qualities that matter most to ME. I spent lots and lots of time researching my next camera at that time. In 2.5 years of use, I have never yet seen images from another camera that have made me think I made a mistake. Next time I buy, I will go through the same process. If another brand comes out on top, I'll buy it - happy to have the best for me - and unhappy to have to find new lenses. Tie, I go with the lenses I have and like. So go excorciate someone else as a mindless follower. I don't know how what % of those with Canon DSLRs are mindless followers led astray, but I'll bet at least a noticeable proportion are not. Has it never occurred to you that Canon may, at this time, make the best cameras for certain people for certain applications? For others, nope. Certain sports and other action, especially things like dance, D3. Entry level? You pick 'em. Small sensor mid to high end? So many good ones I wouldn't know what to pick, if I didn't already have EF mount lenses, including in-lens IS. But I'm not buying in those categories, so I'm not fully up to speed on them. > You'd have to be a complete idiot to not recognize the total superiority of the Canon 5Dmk2 over everything else in the world. Only fools would buy anything but this 2008/2009 version of the 30D, 60D, 10D, 20D, 5D... > What a load of codswallop! > The Canon 5Dmk2 is now the official Landscape Camera for the 2009 shooting season. Yup > Anybody with a lesser camera should just stay home. > Or just be happy making images they like with equipment they like; and not worrying about their neighbor's moral decay. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 17:31:12 2008 Received: (qmail 11562 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 15:31:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 15:31:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DF4FF0BA; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:59:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:59:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C957FFF0A for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:51:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9435 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 09:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 09:51:03 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <17597716.23481223538078655.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <4752d02d654ffca548307e36b2a18135@snap.net.nz> <48ED3CF4.9040306@gmail.com> <17597716.23481223538078655.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <545DAC5E-5AD7-439B-A045-CE957005A446@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Addendum to query about successor to E1 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:51:01 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 17:31:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ee23c037751234514069 But is this not comparing a swing Panorama with a Letterbox? Not really comparable? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/10/2008, at 6:33 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Though our testing was rather unscientific, it did appear that a > Technorama shot > resolved the same, if not more, detail than a 10-shot panorama with an > E-3 > and ZD 50-200 stopped down to optimum aperture. > > I don't have a good enough scanner to show this (yet!!) this is from > looking > at the 6x17cm slide on a light table, and the panorama stitch on- > screen. > > But sure: I doubt if you will see differences in anything but the > hugest print. > The only reason to keep on using these old film cameras is because of > either the aesthetic appeal of the images, or because it's fun to use > them. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 19:48:58 2008 Received: (qmail 8414 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 17:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 17:48:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB6FE06F0; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:49:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:49:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F3587D15 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:19:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-105-177-202.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.105.177.202]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m99CIvXC008280 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:19:01 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Any info on Angenieux 35-70/2.5-3.3 in OM mount??? Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:18:52 +1100 Message-ID: <31DAE757D5184B4E91E578C65A537132@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <48EDBF5E.8020502@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 thread-index: Ackp/OnuV4Xz6D3jQfuSzqOlnjawbwADArUg Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 19:48:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ee4409235854673671140 > I was also wondering about that statement in the review. I suspect a > statement that performance started to fall off after f5.6 > would be more > appropriate - and accurate. > Often older lens designs suffered from a focus shift on changing the aperture, perhaps that is what is happening rather than diffraction. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 19:51:02 2008 Received: (qmail 15763 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 17:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 17:51:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE1CA35FA; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:29:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:29:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB32AC6AC3 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:42:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so9523017gxk.17 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:42:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Im01fIGw9DRoOSlm4DgmPl/O1DKHo8tfld7r1uk4/RU=; b=ZpuwkiPo5rf5LcaCoufJv25puDKxMGS4jHhxPPtRF08A3Hzf1zrADnMnP9vMPxiIaf hca4cgZouENz7cqdrDHkzGGUxrnJXNY5xCiCbTRI97K+qsfE3n1IvRwueyyGu2JR4fvq mlqSUHVCAedsgpqHstxvvBBCrQaRP7oaD3IUA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=J9HbEB2SbeVlsySsjt4et4dO4juMHAn1G/gu2r9zF+KoGTyMFyNgsa8WN6yUBuF/RM m1fhDB4QlIE8Q65nhGI+Hc4wLpGTJh2C+KuwJYa8tw5In01/rVLO/UAKdkO7CseXn64V wv/UuzkY5BxV7qtswL3NGkOfjgaiBtlzgSzm8= Received: by 10.100.165.13 with SMTP id n13mr3624422ane.113.1223552542274; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.96.5 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 04:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <25b37d100810090442r350afb76v731ddf1bfb79313f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:42:22 -0400 From: "James Howe" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Gallery Comments Solicited In-Reply-To: <68DE3AFA-2DD7-479B-8D64-201E06BBDAD4@wildskies.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <25b37d100810080719u56b370d4o50ebceb60a3ff8b6@mail.gmail.com> <68DE3AFA-2DD7-479B-8D64-201E06BBDAD4@wildskies.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhoweaa@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 19:51:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ee4486225418512572685 Thanks for your positive comments on the photographs. It means a great deal to me. The visibility of the navigation is something that bothers me as well. While it's nice to not have the distraction of extra elements, it can also be disconcerting to visit a web site and be in a position that you have to hunt around to figure out how something works. I'm going to see what I can do to improve the navigation. Also, the front page is not what I ultimately want to have, it was just the best thing I could come up with at the time using the products I had. I haven't posted to the blog as much as I would like to recently, been busy with other things. Hopefully that will change in the near future. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Brent wrote: > > All of the images I looked at are extraordinary... beautiful... the > sort of photographs I aspire to take myself one day. > > The gallery works pretty well - although it took me a minute to figure > out that there was a gallery behind each photo linked off the main > page. Perhaps a thumbnail page would help, instead of just the pop up > thumbnail bar at the top? > > I like the couple of entries in your blog and the way you describe the > process you went through to obtain the images... have subscribed to > it, so I hope you get a chance to update it in the future! :) > > Brent > > > > On 09/10/2008, at 1:19 AM, James Howe wrote: > > > The web site is http://www.jameshowephotography.com and I would > > be interested in getting feedback on both the site and the images. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > -- James Howe ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 20:08:13 2008 Received: (qmail 22134 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 18:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 18:08:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4434824BEC; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:59:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:59:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02172DF2B1 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:51:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so117681gxk.17 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:51:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=GVw7Gu2nErCJjUowaU2LnnUwUiKfjT3YQk9i5KPeCps=; b=TE9DFv1HG997H5OzeU4cKp3MP2WWQbBSfPQBOOuHP3APYD9kZpQ6FTYRPQCy35KtUm IrAQB2qlykzbfqF86RpLmmL5DKMeAzPWc6BvuIIxk4RWvkcfEsN+KFcqerxP/m1A7cY+ 2cJZOSHe2GLMtPU3lRPLD9KpdCXBnXT3UR8ls= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=pvnGlZgJZtGxnlCQpCROXp5TPONE743ofx2yohXZhyx0GcFRQFoph9MklzpEsPqEex TDTl6XOPWBPToVCPKx1l6/90qrKCBzs2alUnFSsissSvo/Xb5ZWBoRWU0+6Jd+4YTo1s BUFLBOU3+ls0qGkCqQqnIVmzKq74mx4aFRZiI= Received: by 10.90.70.15 with SMTP id s15mr110707aga.82.1223567503494; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:51:43 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Addendum to query about successor to E1 In-Reply-To: <48EDBD6A.70308@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <4752d02d654ffca548307e36b2a18135@snap.net.nz> <48ED3CF4.9040306@gmail.com> <48EDBD6A.70308@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 51e932c5ba7ef70f X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 20:08:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ee488d59491234514069 >Look Ken, I don't know at whom or what you are ranting. Is it just me? Who is ranting? Honestly I am actually in agreement with you (although with caveats). I am NOT picking a fight when I say that the 5Dmk2 is the "2009 Landscape Camera". If that was my gig and I wasn't going to buy a Phase-One, the Canon is the best thing going. Trust me when I say that the 5Dmk2 is actually on my very shortlist of cameras to possibly purchase in March/April. Canon has addressed a couple of my own deal-breakers and if the handgrip actually works for me, it is almost a given. All I was trying to do was place all this in perspective. That's all. My mistake is approaching this from a businessman perspective and not a hobbiest/holy grail perspective. >Am I really THAT wrong and wrong headed? Am I just a convenient >surrogate target? Someone you can shoot at who will make a good fight >of it? Who or what are you really so very angry at? Why do you assume I'm targeting you? I'm not. I happened to just respond to the same thread as you. Now, Chuck I'll pick on, but I'm not going to pick any fights with you. :) I'm just trying to add perspective to the discussion. >As it happens, Brian asked a very specific question about detail >resolution of cameras, that point being even more clearly stated in his >second post. So if you don't agree that that is a meaningful question >for a landscape photographer, why not post a reasoned and organized >discussion of what other factors he should consider and why. I have. >Oh pshaw! Nikon is on a roll, Oly has done better in DSLRs lately than >in ages. I didn't say Canon is best in any overall way, nor even the >best landscape camera. I answered a specific question. And I believe my >answer was accurate. Again, if you disagree, show us. Yes Nikon and Olympus are both on a roll. But in the argument of "resolution", Canon still remains head and shoulders above the rest. However, we are reaching (or have reached) the point of diminishing returns. It is a tough call to identify prints taken with one camera vs another based on resolution and detail. However, it is easier to identify prints taken with one camera vs another based on color and tonalities. A fellow listmember did a very interesting test for me a few years ago. He sent two identical B&W prints--one taken with a Mamiya 7 and the other with an OM. These were 8x10s are were indistinguishable except for one telltail--DoF. Had it not been for that one thing, I would not have been able to identify which was which. >I'd think you've been around long enough to know that the leaders in >various fields change with time. Who ever heard of LG? Yes, they used to be called Goldstar. The LG Electronics group also includes Zenith which was acquired about the time they changed names. >I also said I believed the 5DII would be the most popular landscape >camera for a while. That doesn't mean it will be the best in all ways, >nor that the best landscape images will be taken with it. The >photographer still matters a great deal. Total, 100% agreement. I'm wearing my "I agree with Moose" t-shirt today. >OK. Are you claiming his shots in the L-L article I linked to are >frauds? Did you actually look at them? You don't need to read his >opinions, just look at that d**n images. I can selectively make any technology appear to be superior to another technology if I maximize the strengths of the one. The example pictures exploit digital's advantage when it comes to edge-definition, but micro-detail in "random subjects" like vegetation is mysteriously missing in soem of those shots because that's where the "other technology" happens to be superior. For many subjects, edge-definition rules! >The 5D clearly does not resolve more detail than 4x5 Velvia. Actually, it does. But, again, only in edge-definition. Velvia suffers from lateral halation (not to be confused with bad breath) which is well documented and known. Digital sensors do not suffer from lateral halation other than the extent to which the AA filter blurs the image. >Back to E-3 and 5D, I ask the same question. Are you saying that the >images posted on dpreview are faked? Of course not. However, we are losing sense of perspective. You'd think, from comparing the Ferrari 360 to the Dodge Viper that the Ferrari is pure junk based on accelleration numbers. Never mind the fact that both are world-class automobiles. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 21:13:59 2008 Received: (qmail 17055 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 19:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 19:13:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67621E61A0; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:44:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:44:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE111D4B58 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:04:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K8H00F4C0760601@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:04:18 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-78-86.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.78.86]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:11:49 -0300 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:04:20 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmMOANOP7UgYik5W/2dsb2JhbACBbIgVtFUDgWc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,382,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="196937960" References: <3C087681-BE17-4DEC-9D84-DC1EBDF4D233@people.net.au> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 21:13:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ee57f7240461702588592 What's wrong with Liverpool? Lived there in the mid 1970s. Cycled down Penny Lane every day .............. Scouse is right up there with Welsh and Gaelic and should enrich the local Spanish environment. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 6:49 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life > > Near Benidorm? > You mean - they're not all tourists from Liverpool and Dusseldorf? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 09/10/2008, at 5:30 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> Sunday afternoon in the central square of Altea, near Benidorm, local >> people, young and old, enjoy a pre-lunch drink in the sunshine. Scenes >> like this, at this time of year, are one of the reasons why people >> find the lifestyle here so pleasant: >> >> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#390021598_gVRBq-O-LB > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 21:35:45 2008 Received: (qmail 18734 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 19:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 19:35:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7079BFE982; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:24:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:24:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2842450A for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:51:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081009135107.TLFT8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:51:07 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id Qdr71a00E4vDLwc02dr70a; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:51:07 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=g0jvKODcJTDPCpF97VwA:9 a=y22YJc3vVrewqukI_vcA:7 a=Zp9CYqppJn65glKRpkYRs1MEWWIA:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=0dRpvnS4h04A:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <8EED81FD3710483CBBC065CD2A4972F8@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <417601.30783.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:51:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 21:35:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ee5d11327351234514069 Millers is more like a pro lab. They generally serve wedding and portrait photographers, and that has beeen their focus for years. They are not really a commercial lab inthe sense that they do repro grade prints and such, though, and I don't think their prints are monitored as such. Still, for protrait and wedding guys love them. I recently saw some canvas prints from Millers and they were, if you like canvas prints, exceptional. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "AS" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story Millers another story? Tell me more...good, bad, or ugly!? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1715 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 7:19 PM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 22:51:55 2008 Received: (qmail 7737 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 20:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 20:51:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958E4C51F8; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:36:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:36:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01EFCDE08 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:38:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.191]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8H00ATL4K09530@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:38:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:38:24 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story In-reply-to: <67B880A4-2887-497A-AC77-FB3C8F5E670F@people.net.au> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48EE0950.1040806@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <707337.82238.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48ECAF79.50905@verizon.net> <67B880A4-2887-497A-AC77-FB3C8F5E670F@people.net.au> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 22:51:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ee6eeb42191073733319 I'm just glad we worked it out. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Andrew Fildes wrote: > 'Daylight' would cover anything from 4800K to 7000K o it's not > terribly precise! Usually 5000K is claimed to be 'natural'. Perhaps > you got the 'overcast' bulbs? :-) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 09/10/2008, at 12:02 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > >> BTW, We're using Britek cool lights (http://www.briteklights.com) to >> light this artwork. They proudly claim light output is daylight >> balanced. Not. > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 22:52:55 2008 Received: (qmail 32017 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 20:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 20:52:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950A4E489F; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:07:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:07:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444D4D01B4 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:40:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <31502582.23611223567287216.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 997 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:48:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48EDBD6A.70308@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Addendum to query about successor to E1 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:40:11 +0200 References: <4752d02d654ffca548307e36b2a18135@snap.net.nz> <48ED3CF4.9040306@gmail.com> <48EDBD6A.70308@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 22:52:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ee6f27232781702588592 I am always amazed at why different Cameras manage to create such a stir between people. Here I am, actually actively investing in film OM gear to use on a day-to-day basis, perhaps in replacement of my current (very nice) Canon kit of a 1-series body an L primes. I am also expanding my Mamiya RB kit. Does it depress me to know that a quick high-ISO snapshot at near zero cost from a 5D MkII now equals or exceeds an expensive, carefully made shot on slide film with my Mamiya RB? Not at all - if this were the case, nobody would be painting, or drawing with charcoal anymore. And sure, those methods have fallen by the wayside for commercial portraits or any form of commercial illustration, but as art mediums, they are very much alive. Once we start using old cameras, we have to stop bickering about image quality issues, and focus on the images themselves. Imagine if, in the art world, different brushes or paints were as heavily contested as our cameras? (or, maybe they are, but I sure have not seen it). Though, I do admit, the posts that precede this one seem to be more about aggression and ranting - but we should all just "chill, Winston" (did anybody see "Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels"? I loved it.) I for one am happy to be investing a lot of time and effort to learn to make lower-resolution, grainy B&W photos :-) At least I have reason to use an OM-1 every day then. Have a nice day all, and remember, every day, there are a million people having a worse day, because of much bigger issues, than what you are experiencing today. (for example, a colleague of my fiancée's, a young woman doctor in the oncology field - with so much going for her - committed suicide two days ago.) cheers On 09 Oct 2008, at 10:14 AM, Moose wrote: > Ken Norton wrote: >>> At the risk of setting off another olio from Ken of information and >> >>> reports from experience relevant to some aspects of landscape >>> photography, but not to the specific question asked, semi-religious >>> rants and paranoid sounding responses to perceived calumnies aimed >>> at >>> inanimate objects but emotionally responded to as though aimed at >>> himself, I will attempt an informative answer. >>> > Look Ken, I don't know at whom or what you are ranting. Is it just me? > Am I really THAT wrong and wrong headed? Am I just a convenient > surrogate target? Someone you can shoot at who will make a good fight > of it? Who or what are you really so very angry at? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 22:57:12 2008 Received: (qmail 29897 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 20:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 20:57:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972078A02F; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:58:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:58:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B54ED8FD8 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:20:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so10157nfi.19 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:20:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=wB5zJR23OPCi7PYfod+PxA7mvnnnFdAx+XzRy7zONBc=; b=G+W/XKltb3rN+N8gQf58owJ5VhZ58QSpDX/GU4cXP/UitUAuxW31pSEcm9gjpfyQZ0 hwgGyZ/hO+qEEQFWagW7WOBumuiGmhvgZG2agluwL1LgtgoMR0u3dyUJQHsPADPMR1WT qYWeRfp1SpQYcTiJk4ZHjI9S4cdjvibvfOtSk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=uMe84RK8pYmHwzKksHL8b6CuEdrZF8CMCe6dFco4I0IEC9Ji0h9zYwGNkfs+YxbOKB vQduc/5fyxmkomMl7/Z9APtbmCSVccQTYvpaHddJC7l7RcEjWOiwmTyVYpH8UI/Okak4 qchrr9Q8MQD7A+gTjKwdE4HQ7wFifzsCieQxI= Received: by 10.86.68.2 with SMTP id q2mr198472fga.43.1223558433296; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.2 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0810090620p62f11fbbm7c9fd11563ff2d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:20:33 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Gallery Comments Solicited In-Reply-To: <25b37d100810080719u56b370d4o50ebceb60a3ff8b6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <25b37d100810080719u56b370d4o50ebceb60a3ff8b6@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 22:57:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ee702744781234514069 Good work Jim. The images are a bit slow to load but tolerable. The catagories could be worked out a bit better. More importantly, the images are outstanding. Charlie On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:19 AM, James Howe wrote: > I've just put together a web gallery of images that I've taken with my > Olympus E-500/E-3 cameras. The web site was created mostly using the > Lightroom 2.0 Web gallery generation capabilities, with some minor > modifications to tie things together. It's still in an early state and I > hope to make some improvements as time (and HTML knowledge) become more > available. The web site is http://www.jameshowephotography.com and I > would > be interested in getting feedback on both the site and the images. > > Thanks in advance! > > -- > James Howe > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 9 23:23:46 2008 Received: (qmail 32336 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2008 21:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 21:23:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25188A0B0; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:18:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:18:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB0425BAE for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:33:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so9735332gxk.17 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:33:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Ou+kw91hMaAmXp/HIEieFyyd7MgVn9Ci3QeUaXqNhes=; b=eoeCqAnkZQhT9XlN5rpQ945UZ+D8itadvWyVA8VlSQKDOYgPLYzadytowzLbvpVp/y i6fLSJ24CCpf4cvZs8BQRn55ee2rId5BQTz211ldE6w1Tr6fNZguhuX7tX9bJYkAStNc zeBx0LBnwRdl9PbI32tCMWGQSUQ3cPoObZWoU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Xg8Xxp9VNUSeWaj6SaqCxI+9snnZut7y1cnHiJMlvyJoIh7Idhga2x1D+C40RNnvKv 38MBpHerhU8ZK3BhQmmFop3ZGAjF54URVxlPdwG9zBM8lA5sMjyIh+RRijIlDDVE25u/ xjLDmtuCpqw/5owPRWNFyZYG8nbPr75n4xdf8= Received: by 10.90.118.19 with SMTP id q19mr13194agc.92.1223562804621; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:33:24 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Addendum to query about successor to E1 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <4752d02d654ffca548307e36b2a18135@snap.net.nz> <48ED3CF4.9040306@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 672fa4116c3bb8ce X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 9 23:23:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ee7662245774673671140 AF wrote: >Can I go and get one or do I have to hide indoors until the > courier knocks on the door with mine, quivering in a corner > with rage and shame? Save the rage for the fact that you need to go buy all new lenses because the old "great ones" are obviously not so great anymore. Or, just put a few Zuikos on it. However, shame is another story. Somebody with such an eclectic collection of cameras as you should be totally shamed because we now know that only one camera is worthy. All others are garbage. Feel free to ship a few of them to me. I'll even spring for shipping. The point of what I wrote is as follows: 1. The new 5Dmk2 is most likely (we don't know for sure yet as we've only seen not too honest samples--we haven't seen enough real-world examples yet to determine where the skeletons lay) able to out-resolve any other attainable digital camera currently in production. This will be pretty indisputable and is a testiment to the fact that technology keeps marching forward. 2. Landscape photography does place special demands on resolution. If my livelyhood was dependant upon selling double-width A0 prints, I wouldn't hesitate to go this direction myself. But in reality, if my livelyhood was dependent on selling bedspread-sized prints (and the sale prices were truely representative of it), I'd be shooting with the latest Phase-One back, so I can get the better color-depth and other nice traits of a MF back. If the print sale revenues aren't enough to pay for a Phase-One, just maybe the issue isn't the camera, it's the photographer. 3. Cameras, such as the 5D and 5Dmk2 are allowing every two-bit hack with a tripod to be able to claim to be a professional landscape photographer. 4. Through the years, Kodak, Ilford and Fuji introduced new and improved films. For example, T-Max B&W film was supposed to be tons better (ie, less grain, better resolution) than the "old" films, such as Tri-X, Plus-X, HP5, etc. However, these new and improved films were never able to replace these old films. Tri-X is still popular today. Yes, this is a horses-for-courses argument, yet it does point out that there is more to life than "resolution". 5. Be careful of "one-trick ponies". I prefer a camera system that fits all of my needs as well as possible, but may not be exceptional at any one thing. The new 5Dmk2 addresses many deep concerns that many of us had with the 5D. It's nice to see Canon actually step up and add a few REAL usability features to make those megapixels actually usable. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 02:05:30 2008 Received: (qmail 8575 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 00:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 00:05:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB88ADBC18; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:02:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:02:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.225]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E81E877F for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:05:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so84724wxc.5 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:05:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=rDhqeEUfpxYHvL7q+12NJg4gqOkM4TZ4Wf8Sn32xCJk=; b=YRNBBV97zCiuH09r1afkqj2hXEnfaveawedoStdkbMwBu+yem8O1PCgRMM60AFqFOX PiFvtoebG/j7Ruh0iQnh67ENlFj0UkWaepsJjdFUT0a+G1tAzIEge7lC5dEXYI9jMZeI PEo01oV1CpGNxIGAFusQwi4Vz/bOXpXNVybMw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=NnBFQg98dOxAsr6EPD9ArFWjsaYPo3bzygHxsCJa68VIcyNSC0uxO010vGkC0aW63o 88Ckkknmf2C6DTokXQwwtDn9QQ2xSzm1q/1zCnC6chGB6YWgXGwFPdKrrcr1iPn8Yvwz K0mIdWYsqKzboOI+mHs3e/jz+YoNElfQB4X2E= Received: by 10.150.137.9 with SMTP id k9mr812100ybd.44.1223586358228; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.116.4 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:05:58 -0400 From: "Daniel Sepke" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] FS: Alien Bees Three Light Flash Rig MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: daniel.sepke@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 02:05:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ee9c4a72671869477228 Hello All, My new employer has furnished me with another flash setup so my trusty Alien Bees rig is now looking for a new home. I am happy to sell this as a kit or individually. I will be keeping my stands and modifiers but I do have two softbox speedrings that are now surplus. With one exception all of this kit was purchased by me new three years ago and has only seen indoor use and zero abuse. The expection is the B400 which I picked up two years ago from photographer who had upgraded. Anyway here is what is available: Two B800's, one white case and one black case. Both units are in excellent physical condition and come with: power cord, reflector, travel cover, 150W halogen modeling lamp. I have the original boxes for these two. $210 each B400 black case. In very good condition (there is some wear on the "antenna" tips), very occasionally the fan makes some noise when you first power it on but the noise goes away pretty quickly. Comes with: power cord, reflector, travel cover, 75W modeling halogen lamp. $150 Kata Palms Case - Great all in one lighting case. Accepts up to four stands and I have installed the custom divider upgrade for storing the reflectors/speedrings etc. $300 Two Photoflex Octo speedring, will work with four pole rectangular boxes or 8 pole octoboxes. Both in excellent condition. $35 each Two CB-1 Single Light Carry Cases. $8 each. All you have to do is add three stands and your choice of umbrella or softboxes As a package I would be looking to get $875 plus shipping. All enquires off list please. Thanks, Dan S. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 03:14:36 2008 Received: (qmail 9347 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 01:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 01:14:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1469FF41FB; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:06:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:06:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1162AFF560 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:07:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QauG1a0030ldTLk51h7JHW; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:07:18 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([24.20.172.214]) by OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Qh7G1a00Q4du4sg3Qh7Gz1; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:07:17 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nJrz7SU0YsMA:10 a=lVIAq97mWKkA:10 a=Qzbs2IXOmJtIhW_RUrcA:9 a=1w7BM36lGulopIb0Qr515-7hFygA:4 a=0-iWLwhsAPwA:10 a=oIDA__ndP4QA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Message-ID: <418DF4EC14504EE99425F06C977EA60B@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:07:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pelaughlin@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 03:14:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eeac7c100681585427447 One of my favorite memories of Espana are the sidewalk cafes. Almost the same sort of view at midnight on the Rambla in Barcelona. And El Serpio in Sevilla. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" To: "Picture a Day discussion group" ; "Leica Users Group" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:30 PM Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life > > Sunday afternoon in the central square of Altea, near Benidorm, local > people, young and old, enjoy a pre-lunch drink in the sunshine. Scenes > like this, at this time of year, are one of the reasons why people > find the lifestyle here so pleasant: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 04:54:12 2008 Received: (qmail 17662 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 02:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 02:54:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A086DCFC5; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:21:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:21:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D684FF524 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:29:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 189.red-83-45-237.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.45.237.189]:50572 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KnzK1-00071W-1M (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:29:10 +0000 Message-Id: <974A1DDE-489E-44CB-8103-158622F76B9D@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <3C087681-BE17-4DEC-9D84-DC1EBDF4D233@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:29:09 +0200 References: <3C087681-BE17-4DEC-9D84-DC1EBDF4D233@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 04:54:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eec3d4275891035110158 They have all gone home. The beach in Benidorm was crowded, but mostly with senior citizens in various states of obesity. Some of them will probably appear in my PAW for this week. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Near Benidorm? > You mean - they're not all tourists from Liverpool and Dusseldorf? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 09/10/2008, at 5:30 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> Sunday afternoon in the central square of Altea, near Benidorm, local >> people, young and old, enjoy a pre-lunch drink in the sunshine. >> Scenes >> like this, at this time of year, are one of the reasons why people >> find the lifestyle here so pleasant: >> >> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#390021598_gVRBq-O-LB > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 05:42:00 2008 Received: (qmail 18280 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 03:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 03:41:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB9DF56FA; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:08:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:08:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D493DCF6E for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:39:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30145 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 14:39:20 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.248.145.22) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 14:39:20 -0500 Message-ID: <48EE5DF5.5020003@ctgonline.org> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:39:33 -0500 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Group Subject: [OM] Once in a while, you're in the right place at the right time... Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: cygnus@ctgonline.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 05:42:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eecf08235341702588592 As a matter of background, I'm good friends with Jim Peterik, he of The Ides of March and Survivor fame, for those of you familiar with classic rock. Once or twice a year, JP gets a bunch of his music buddies together for a big all-star, 3-hour-long lovefest/jam session. Usually, it's an event that he's organized, and he always puts me on the guest list, and I get to go to rehearsal the day before. For me, it's like Rock'n'Roll Fantasy Camp. I get to hang with guys that, back in the day, I couldn't get any closer than half a stadium to. Tonight's show is different -- it's being promoted by someone else as a $250 a pop benefit for the music program at a school in Chicago. As much as I love my pals, $250 just ain't in the budget. However, last night at rehearsal, a guy saw me walking around with the E-1 shooting rehearsal casuals and introduced himself, talked a bit about photography. Asked me if I was familiar with Henry Diltz's work. I said of course I was -- the covers of over 300 classic albums, Woodstock, etc. -- Henry is a legend among rock photographers. "Are you going to the show tomorrow?" he asked. "I'd love to, but $250 isn't in my budget now." "Well, Henry is going to be the official photographer, and I want you to meet him. You're on my guest list. This is my event and I'd like you to shoot some backstage stuff as well." Soooo..... I get to go to the show anyway, hang out with my pals, get a nice infusion of rock'n'roll energy, and I get to meet a living legend in the worlds of photography AND rock. I brought my cd of The Eagles "Desperado" which he shot -- debating on whether or not it would be right to ask him to sign it. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 07:23:36 2008 Received: (qmail 25190 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 05:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 05:23:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7802CD548E; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:47:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:47:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.226.244]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FC4EB5A3 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:34:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.106] (pool-71-110-222-4.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.110.222.4]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.8.5-GA) with ESMTP id DCI00934 (AUTH siddiq@ucr.edu) for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48EE5DF5.5020003@ctgonline.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Once in a while, you're in the right place at the right time... Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:34:03 -0700 References: <48EE5DF5.5020003@ctgonline.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: siddiq@ucr.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 07:23:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eee6d8234311993019900 On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Paul Braun wrote: > > Soooo..... I get to go to the show anyway, hang out with my pals, > get a > nice infusion of rock'n'roll energy, and I get to meet a living legend > in the worlds of photography AND rock. Wow... would love to see some of that! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 09:05:57 2008 Received: (qmail 32089 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 07:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 07:05:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A416B27A91; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:37:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:37:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8009C6487 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 18:03:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so140138gxk.17 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:03:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=G8rUpuYfu3gmcgly18WjuwHVI2I57T9vhwse7879U2c=; b=OTdOvhDiWsJ1QjUf/V0vrgOEwCLzkv2ornzpJqMOEpib6ufC1T7BDW78ZYqPjvWXcN snRPOdrvRSnohOtLaRzIClcGH4gPBYk6WC5Adrb8CtWUdmV/Y5lmaCxmT8S7pTHkW4z7 8U1B2TNQrsCoMg916BOUjZ6oY8vIZPnGqX+vo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=CxLLvdL1cxqhPNGYS0FqnrOClh6iHidQ86GQHoLuRYk9P8MbmXMKYz5qR4/8o+d1PG F/gLzJLM4qnwtkaNQZb5b7BQE4bHlyu5Rs/UTsO9avAh9No2dF1ySLvrMc/SunlZsvUl GIGq9riOVpCbil5rVqweqe+yc0FLdVBoOqHOc= Received: by 10.90.68.20 with SMTP id q20mr125565aga.93.1223568189884; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:03:09 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48E77DAA.1060907@verizon.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ef17ef5937e1609a X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 09:05:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eefed5267351257536491 Chris Crawford wrote: >The advantage of 16 bit comes from when you do a lot of photoshop work on >it. Your screen can only show an 8 bit image, that's why you don't see a >difference on your freshly converted RAW files... Which brings up a point. If, during the RAW conversion process, you are able to achieve the tonal and color rendition close to final output, then there is little reason to convert to 16bit. 16bit is helpful for heavy editing, but if there is no editing to be done, why bother? During the RAW conversion process, the RAW converter is working in higher bit-depth than 8-bit and the decision to save as 16-bit or 8-bit has no affect on how the RAW converter actually performs. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 10:54:09 2008 Received: (qmail 15082 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 08:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 08:54:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A961F6695; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:53:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:53:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B1D271EC for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:43:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so65126ywt.89 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:43:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=C7+qOkhSAVV8N5woLOtwoOsLntl/DdJvku0PYOGdbY8=; b=bL4sTHzxd0rtZx6hWzbqr/BrxlN74I7drFHDb4MQPX/7NVniajDZmYK5z19BC7CZDw vfiX9BICLFcPFJhz3aRzyiRY/XM03g1qmbgIMmvklaKhKWWVaUszSTKoVfVWmHfs1WfZ 9wzXqbZc5MV2OCSiAfh8wfgQREpnspF9HDaBA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=fSTOaKmz/fcy3MZ88N1y/IMmWyBY6l2scHU90klfzq1Z6YyHdaVBijr12OXlL2SNAI oL8ZO8X3IOVfm28d4+MFCFrqLngajwGe3Dza+genPMUlIp7uz2wI9JhWBzVBi82t2UQq HJKvtDS2dqTV40ofaMf2lTOLmiSEhzgrjs1Qg= Received: by 10.90.101.17 with SMTP id y17mr515700agb.55.1223587098376; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:18:18 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: a kodachrome story In-Reply-To: <8EED81FD3710483CBBC065CD2A4972F8@SueHome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <417601.30783.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8EED81FD3710483CBBC065CD2A4972F8@SueHome> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 338ad9662896f4f2 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 10:54:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef183182574673671140 I'm a Millers Lab customer. For the working pro, this place is exceptional. I have nothing but the highest praise for their operation. In November and December they print more in one day than many operations do in an entire year. Yet, suprisingly, they don't take shortcuts. The operation is very scaleable according to the amount of business. The minutes spent per order is the same during the busy times as they are during the slow times. It's just that there are more people and machines running. MPIX is their division for the customers which are not contracted with them. Millers "requires" (yet isn't overly enforced) a certain amount of business to be sent to them and they limit the number of photographers/studios to keep predictable limits on their busy/slow schedules so they don't get flooded. With the exception of a few products, MPIX offers everything Millers does. The primary difference between the two labs (and they really are two seperate labs, not even in the same city), is that Millers will print an entire order on ONE machine. Every machine is calibrated almost hourly. This means that if you have one print that is 20x24, the entire order is printed on that one machine--even the wallets and 4x6 prints. Another major difference is that with Millers, EVERY print is hand-inspected. Even if you forgo color/density adjustment, if the print is aweful, they will adjust it and reprint. Thirdly, their turn-around time is mind-boggling. I can upload images to their server and have on two occasions gotten them uploaded by 11AM and still received them fed-ex the next morning. This was even with color/density adjustment, spraying and mounting. On the two occasions where I've had "issues" with prints, they were extremely professional and quick on the reprinting. One of the two times was with a major enlargement which they asked me to send it back to them so they could figure out what went wrong on their machine. (banding problem). I've been using Millers for three years now, I think--maybe four, and I'm not going anywhere else. This operation is a keeper. I use their software which is loaded on my computer, but they also have a web-based upload program. I use the PC-based one because it is faster for me and offers a few additional doodads which are quite helpful. The album design/ordering software is also top-dog. My image orders with files are uploaded overnight and on more than one occasion took more than six hours with a speedy DSL connection. If the order is HUGE (600+ 12MP files), I'd probably burn it on DVD and overnight it to them. (They cover the Fedex charges coming and going which is really nice). Don't tell them, but as a professional, I'd still use them at twice the price. I am easily saving a minimum of ten hours per wedding thanks to their ordering software as compared to printing my own or using alternative on-line printing operations like Smugmug. (ick) I occasionally use MPIX when I'm doing drop-ship or some hired-dude work for somebody else, and their on-line ordering software is essentially the same as Miller's on-line ordering software. The print quality is the same, but you do run the risk of slight miscalibration since they calibrate those printers twice a day instead of hourly and not every image is hand-checked, only random prints from any one order. (yet every order is hand-checked, but not every print within the order is inspected). Oh, BTW, with Millers, if they have to reprint anything from a particular order, it comes off the same machine--even if this is several days later when you discover a flaw (like a scuff) that needs reprinting. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 10:59:43 2008 Received: (qmail 31101 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 08:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 08:59:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E5CD58D4; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:42:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:42:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F5DFAE43 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:53:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:50688 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Ko94X-0007Lt-2W (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:53:50 +0000 Message-Id: <90CF2B22-7CFA-445B-B01A-BBF16A0F7377@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:53:48 +0200 References: <3C087681-BE17-4DEC-9D84-DC1EBDF4D233@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 10:59:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef197f307381470116606 Oh, absolutely, and I found at least two local bars run by exiles from Merseyside. Very convenient for me too, since I am a life-long Liverpool FC supporter: http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/blog/?p=75 Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:04 PM, John Hudson wrote: > > What's wrong with Liverpool? Lived there in the mid 1970s. Cycled > down > Penny Lane every day .............. > > Scouse is right up there with Welsh and Gaelic and should enrich > the local > Spanish environment. > > jh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Fildes" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 6:49 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life > > >> >> Near Benidorm? >> You mean - they're not all tourists from Liverpool and Dusseldorf? >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 09/10/2008, at 5:30 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> >>> Sunday afternoon in the central square of Altea, near Benidorm, >>> local >>> people, young and old, enjoy a pre-lunch drink in the sunshine. >>> Scenes >>> like this, at this time of year, are one of the reasons why people >>> find the lifestyle here so pleasant: >>> >>> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#390021598_gVRBq-O-LB >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 11:19:32 2008 Received: (qmail 22547 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 09:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 09:19:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF8DE661D; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:50:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:50:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D408101EBC for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:40:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (CPE000fb55e4999-CM001868e60278.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.246.151.95]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1Ko8rW48QC-0001Yp; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:40:24 -0400 From: "tOM Trottier" Organization: http://abacurial.com Information Architect To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:32:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Re: Any info on Angenieux 35-70/2.5-3.3 in OM mount??? Message-ID: <48EDDDC8.5124.8E18944@tom.abacurial.com> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <48EDBF5E.8020502@gmail.com> References: <8CAF794B494419E-1648-D43@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com>, <20081008234533.EDTA28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net>, <48EDBF5E.8020502@gmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18FmNgq82yuW03DX2dnazlf0TpXU0NsKTGID5t v7JvHtP7aj0eLVkSAmNFyw4N2qdIYLBYDGUQYQWcylT/KUE9lc 3fwVRbh6VEUWu82vVL8PteOdSjoUdoT X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: tom@abacurial.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 11:19:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef1e2461651023412894 On Thursday, October 09, 2008 at 1:22, Moose wrote: | Johnny Johnson wrote: | > At 03:39 PM 10/8/2008, usher99@aol.com wrote: | > | > | >> Found it remarkable that the review says the performance is | >> diffraction limited at f/5.6 at 35mm. Can't say I've seen that | >> stated for any FF lens at that FL. | >> | > | > The Zeiss Contax lenses that so many people rave about also peak at | > f4 to f5.6 - at least up through the 135/2. | > | I was also wondering about that statement in the review. I suspect a | statement that performance started to fall off after f5.6 would be | more appropriate - and accurate. | | The Tamron 90/2.8 in Pop Photo's test had an optimum aperture for | macro of - wait for it - f2.8, although performance was great down to | f22. My test of the later, Di version showed the same thing. It's easy enough to check - calculate the diffraction limit using f/stop and focal length and compare with test results. These days, it's not unusual to see diffraction limits being reached on the short focal lengths most digitals use. Process lenses used in print shops and chip foundries are almost always used at maximum aperture for maximum sharpness. Of course, they don't have to worry about depth of field or chroma since they use a tiny portion of the spectrum. Lens tech vastly improved once computing got cheap and new transparent materials became available. tOM -- Facilius enim per partes in cognitionem totius adducimur - - tOM Trottier, +1 613 860-6633 469 Ancaster Ave, Ottawa, ON K2B 5B6 Canada http://Information.Architecture.Abacurial.com Est-ce c'est necessaire d'imprimer ce courriel? / Do you really need to print this email? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 12:20:05 2008 Received: (qmail 29135 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 10:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 10:20:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B6BC5DC0; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:52:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:52:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA05ED671 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:43:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip9-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.87]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081009194306.LYRP1599.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip9-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:43:06 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkMMAD/27UhMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIgXu9WoFq Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 09 Oct 2008 15:47:23 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:43:04 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life Thread-Index: AckqRz63fUbR2JY6Ed2MdwAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 12:20:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef2c5556081838542571 On 10/9/08 8:04 AM, "John Hudson" wrote: > What's wrong with Liverpool? Lived there in the mid 1970s. Cycled down > Penny Lane every day .............. Any snaps of the shelter in the middle of the roundabout? Or of the clean machine? Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 13:11:39 2008 Received: (qmail 22111 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 11:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 11:11:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCF91062DF; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:35:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:35:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E5EEC7B7 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:36:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:51403 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Ko9ju-0002TQ-9Q (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:36:35 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] FS: 100mm Apo Macro Elmarit with Leica-Oly adapter Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:36:33 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 13:11:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef386b82462046811720 I have decided to sell my 100mm Apo Macro, the best lens I have ever owned but one that does not get much use today since I prefer to carry my Zuiko 50-200mm around instead. The lens is completely clean, with no cosmetic damage and no scratches etc. It comes with the original packaging and pouch and of course both caps. I am the first owner. I will also throw in the the Leica-Olympus adapter which allows use of this lens on any 4/3 camera body. 1000 EUR or equivalent in other currencies. Payment by bank transfer preferred, Paypal OK but add 3%. Shipping included by air mail, other method at cost. Contact me off list on photo@frozenlight.eu if interested. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 14:02:58 2008 Received: (qmail 30218 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 12:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 12:02:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19838C30CE; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:02:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:02:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp3.dyxs.nl (smtp3.dyxs.nl [85.17.86.111]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E56EC2C57 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:00:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Olaf-Greve.lan (rt25bb146-89-44.routit.net [89.146.25.44]) by smtp3.dyxs.nl with ESMTP (Mailtraq/2.11.0.2198) id SMTP8CD3420C for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:30:12 +0200 From: Olaf Greve To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] TOPE 35: new entry X-Priority: 3 References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <4703D777.3010307@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:30:00 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ogreve@millennics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 14:02:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef4472323121744846740 Hi, Somehow Ian Manners' TOPE 35 submission had not made its way to my mailbox, but fortunately he resubmitted it, so it's live now at the gallery, and it's a nice one too, so go check it out! Cheers! Olafo Main page: http://www.tope.nl Direct link to TOPE 35: http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=35 Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: http://www.tope.nl/events.php ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 14:19:44 2008 Received: (qmail 9324 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 12:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 12:19:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C851C447E; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:16:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:16:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 16C44C4865 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:13:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23870 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 09:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 09:26:58 -0000 In-Reply-To: <90CF2B22-7CFA-445B-B01A-BBF16A0F7377@frozenlight.eu> References: <3C087681-BE17-4DEC-9D84-DC1EBDF4D233@people.net.au> <90CF2B22-7CFA-445B-B01A-BBF16A0F7377@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:26:54 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 14:19:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef485f300081744846740 We are no longer on speaking terms - I mean, it's not as if you were born there and had no choice. You decided to be socially handicapped! Andrew Fildes (certified Manchunian). afildes@people.net.au On 10/10/2008, at 2:53 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Oh, absolutely, and I found at least two local bars run by exiles from > Merseyside. Very convenient for me too, since I am a life-long > Liverpool FC supporter: > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/blog/?p=75 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 14:36:30 2008 Received: (qmail 19247 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 12:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 12:36:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60201C2FDC; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:22:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:22:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD75BC4847 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:13:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K8I00IYAR3NHO01@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:42:59 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-78-86.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.78.86]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:16:04 -0300 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:43:00 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtcMABvO7kgYik5W/2dsb2JhbACBbIgVs1oFgWc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,389,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="329593007" References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 14:36:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef4c4e321521744846740 Michael .............. you want a clean machine ! Go here http://www.johnhudsonphoto.com/OtherPlaces04.html and click on the first thumbnail on the second row. I knew that someone would be asking if Liverpool had cleaned up its act since the mid 1970s :-)) John ps: Will have to dig deep into the archives to see what I have of Penny Lane. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Collins" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life > On 10/9/08 8:04 AM, "John Hudson" wrote: >> What's wrong with Liverpool? Lived there in the mid 1970s. Cycled down >> Penny Lane every day .............. > > Any snaps of the shelter in the middle of the roundabout? Or of the clean > machine? > > Michael > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 14:46:34 2008 Received: (qmail 2893 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 12:46:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 12:46:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0CBC5C7D; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:39:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:39:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.229]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC12C61E5 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:31:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so492546rvb.29 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.83.15 with SMTP id k15mr949800rvl.74.1223634686946; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-172-115.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.172.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f42sm2178444rvb.6.2008.10.10.03.31.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48EF2EF6.4090809@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:31:18 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] A new, cheap toy that's actually an Olympus! Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 14:46:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef4eaa187397927319144 On just another day during which I continue to mull which model to upgrade my EOS 10D to (the greatest or the even greatester landscape camera in the universe), or just say, "buggrit", and keep using my ever-reliable 10D, I managed to go completely backwards from the hobbyist's holy grail and took delivery of instead, courtesy of an eBay seller, something that is probably the worstest landscape camera in the entire multiverse and throughout all time. It's very cute though, and I like it, and, though I don't have any pictures of my own either of or from it, here it is (and it was *actually made by Olympus*): http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/Olympus_Pen#The_Pen_and_Pen_S Yeah, yeah, "big whoop", just a cheap half-frame (well, "cheap", but I probably paid too much for it because I got sick of being justly sniped and lifted my bid max). It looks and feels pretty nifty though. It also looks fun. It looks like I'm going to have to practice scale-focus (it came with a seemingly-inaccurate shoe-mount rangefinder) and guesstimate exposure, but I'll cheerfully assign that to the "fun" category, since I also recently bought 20 roles of 36-exposure (or now, optionally, 72-exposure) Reala, pretty cheap. I haven't named it yet though. I'm thinking, maybe, "Fizzgig". Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 15:05:35 2008 Received: (qmail 16660 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 13:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 13:05:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A53C31F5; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:37:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:37:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl37.gs02.gridserver.com (cl37.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFE4C3473 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:22:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50304 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl37.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KoH0j-0002Dv-29 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:22:25 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:22:22 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Thread-Index: Ackq0th3Fykv1ZbGEd2g8AAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 15:05:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef531f33631869477228 Ken, That's true. I often convert my color images to black & white though, and I am still using Photoshop CS2, which doesn't have BW conversion built into Camera Raw, so I use Alienskin Exposure and that does give better results on 16 bit images. Color could be output as 8 bit with no problem once it's gotten right in the RAW converter but I hope someday that printers capable of 16bit output will be made, and I'll be ready. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 10/9/08 12:03 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> The advantage of 16 bit comes from when you do a lot of photoshop work on >> it. Your screen can only show an 8 bit image, that's why you don't see a >> difference on your freshly converted RAW files... > > Which brings up a point. If, during the RAW conversion process, you are > able to achieve the tonal and color rendition close to final output, then > there is little reason to convert to 16bit. 16bit is helpful for heavy > editing, but if there is no editing to be done, why bother? > > During the RAW conversion process, the RAW converter is working in higher > bit-depth than 8-bit and the decision to save as 16-bit or 8-bit has no > affect on how the RAW converter actually performs. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 15:57:09 2008 Received: (qmail 20169 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 13:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 13:57:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBFBC99D4; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:45:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:45:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AB3C899B for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:57:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-20-12.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.20.12]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9ACvTiY016153 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:57:38 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: A new, cheap toy that's actually an Olympus! Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:57:23 +1100 Message-ID: <152460FB04484B24B5F75630800AB698@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <48EF2EF6.4090809@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 thread-index: Ackq1jqGcnVo90prSy+tEF8RsXDjhQAANcIg Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 15:57:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef5f3556681591313764 > also recently bought 20 roles of 36-exposure (or now, optionally, > 72-exposure) Reala, pretty cheap. > "roles" ? Good to see you still have a healthy disrespect for the English language (or was it meant to be some sort of pun ?). ...Wayne PS: Enjoy the new toy ! PPS: I saw a Rollei 35S in a Melbourne camera shop today, but at $325 I wasn't tempted. I also noticed that the asking prices for manual focus film gear are still pretty high. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 16:15:12 2008 Received: (qmail 29667 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 14:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 14:15:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D0BC2926; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:20:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:20:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231A2C6871 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:53:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.191]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8I006JGX4UFO82@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:53:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:53:20 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Once in a while, you're in the right place at the right time... In-reply-to: <48EE5DF5.5020003@ctgonline.org> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48EF5040.7080806@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48EE5DF5.5020003@ctgonline.org> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 16:15:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef6370257371529615919 You are so lucky. Sure, ask him to sign it, he may feel honored to be asked. You don't get many chances like that. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Paul Braun wrote: > As a matter of background, I'm good friends with Jim Peterik, he of The > Ides of March and Survivor fame, for those of you familiar with classic > rock. Once or twice a year, JP gets a bunch of his music buddies > together for a big all-star, 3-hour-long lovefest/jam session. > > Usually, it's an event that he's organized, and he always puts me on the > guest list, and I get to go to rehearsal the day before. For me, it's > like Rock'n'Roll Fantasy Camp. I get to hang with guys that, back in > the day, I couldn't get any closer than half a stadium to. > > Tonight's show is different -- it's being promoted by someone else as a > $250 a pop benefit for the music program at a school in Chicago. As > much as I love my pals, $250 just ain't in the budget. > > However, last night at rehearsal, a guy saw me walking around with the > E-1 shooting rehearsal casuals and introduced himself, talked a bit > about photography. Asked me if I was familiar with Henry Diltz's work. > > I said of course I was -- the covers of over 300 classic albums, > Woodstock, etc. -- Henry is a legend among rock photographers. > > "Are you going to the show tomorrow?" he asked. > > "I'd love to, but $250 isn't in my budget now." > > "Well, Henry is going to be the official photographer, and I want you to > meet him. You're on my guest list. This is my event and I'd like you > to shoot some backstage stuff as well." > > Soooo..... I get to go to the show anyway, hang out with my pals, get a > nice infusion of rock'n'roll energy, and I get to meet a living legend > in the worlds of photography AND rock. > > I brought my cd of The Eagles "Desperado" which he shot -- debating on > whether or not it would be right to ask him to sign it. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 16:19:22 2008 Received: (qmail 18224 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 14:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 14:19:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFB4D242D; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:10:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:10:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D11C93EC for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:39:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.91]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081010133942.TSII1669.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:39:42 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYJACD37khMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIgXu8IYFs Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 10 Oct 2008 09:46:50 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:39:41 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: A new, cheap toy that's actually an Olympus! From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] A new, cheap toy that's actually an Olympus! Thread-Index: Ackq3aWH5ERj0pbQEd2MdwAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <48EF2EF6.4090809@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 16:19:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef646a243191234514069 On 10/10/08 6:31 AM, "montsnmags@gmail.com" wrote: > ... since I also recently bought 20 roles of 36-exposure ... Look what happens when you let Dwayne's play an important roll. Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 16:51:14 2008 Received: (qmail 13540 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 14:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 14:51:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17142C2D55; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:50:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:50:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.111]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 83BE7C2D86 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:50:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 52522 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2008 14:24:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=03Ar4DPuRJHoHaFsN+zD27iTChx334RiHQX2+NbcmeECdlVJw7cRnk/Gz+3FnbxjfXF007RoOFfPlfpgPwjMx6yu/cx2VKx78JRFJ/+M32Fl9TH4QutSIvT7MeAvWzG4FYF42MYZUYsnpH9o4WESRTZ0Vy5c+DT1QJRDsAEjYiM=; X-YMail-OSG: Qz4GkDgVM1nOVGP_8bQB5XnfoAaC45IjUq4938MuEgaTdSMeoluKOnlGnwQAK3OpEERAcJzYIaa1H0ABEDZVsdcFMiOh..mfhsDdLsTWPvRh5DIDP3dwcFV1vbK1g0HJ7oL6q06dS3WcK.ttbbauJq729veVXvk7kkysXxjh Received: from [76.21.138.45] by web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:24:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:24:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Beckrich Subject: [OM] Tope 35 - argh, where has film gone? To: Olympus Users MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <116311.52128.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rick_beckrich@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 16:51:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef6be2204341470116606 Only seven of the entries were film based.   All the others were those digi-things.   Rick, (the Calvert Curmudgeon) who is going back to film.   (and B&W at that.) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 17:10:36 2008 Received: (qmail 8285 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 15:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 15:10:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249FDC36E4; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:06:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:06:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD71BC3385 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:57:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17731 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 09:30:14 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.248.145.22) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 09:30:13 -0500 Message-ID: <48EF66FB.1070709@ctgonline.org> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:30:19 -0500 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Once in a while, you're in the right place at the right time... References: <48EE5DF5.5020003@ctgonline.org> <48EF5040.7080806@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48EF5040.7080806@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: cygnus@ctgonline.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 17:10:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef706c23305368819438 John Hermanson wrote: > You are so lucky. Sure, ask him to sign it, he may feel honored to be > asked. You don't get many chances like that. > Well, I brought the cd. I was standing backstage watching the show when Henry walked up looking for someone. I introduced myself to him -- he had that look like maybe I was mistaking him for someone famous. Then I said, "Mr. Dilts, it's really a thrill to meet you. I dabble in photography myself, and I've admired your work over the years." Then he realized I actually knew who he was. Very humble, unassuming, friendly old hippie. Then he thanked me and started to leave, and I asked if he'd be willing to sign one of his photos. He looked surprised when I pulled out my cd of the Eagles' "Desperado". "You just happened to have that with you?" "Well, I knew that I might meet you tonight, so I brought it specifically for that." He was happy to sign it for me. And then he pulled out his little digicam and asked if he could take shot of me holding the cd. So I can now say that I've been photographed by Henry Diltz. How cool is that? I just wish I could afford one of his actual prints. But most of the ones I saw were in the $1200 and up range. Oh, well. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 17:33:41 2008 Received: (qmail 27741 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 15:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 15:33:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672BDC33AC; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:17:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:17:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.237]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E202C3014 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:04:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so547988rvb.29 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:04:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/2E5jpR8CaZNW1qe6LDmTcM5TbwqEtmo9iH3GNkRFjA=; b=Wy/W/6bn7kgtI7xdjKcPlh5foea/7o4hgb6xs8AthQTXqzBFHHMO7YPKGyuYTMeNuQ ujGzMJlv7/GRkeqjW3Dt7bqo0K+aI+usXODVJQDxjQeweqdiRlfjo7iHtDv+9GiXf2iN n6b2pnEZGfI/kSBKFA0vxysAoRFKuNIwiJXTo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QcIOsPVbhk+/7n9wAHt8V2JAo4VFlaqLN4NE2d4/I7z/ETKmMHpMtlyyREm45uVT9w 5FHl5Ujk8BdQAQSMbTyNaFi0aRE7OTt58j6vWW3puQgZlRINV4VIxTAVmNKssnmfZOQC P/+G5viAyv3M/7cG6ACQlD3Dfz1iAmTHQKH8M= Received: by 10.141.23.7 with SMTP id a7mr1163580rvj.5.1223649612511; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-172-115.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.172.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b39sm2732866rvf.0.2008.10.10.07.40.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48EF6943.6010008@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:40:03 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A new, cheap toy that's actually an Olympus! References: <152460FB04484B24B5F75630800AB698@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: <152460FB04484B24B5F75630800AB698@meo.dec.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 17:33:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef75d560051023412894 Wayne Harridge wrote: > ... "roles" ? > > Good to see you still have a healthy disrespect for the English > language (or was it meant to be some sort of pun ?). Oh, sure, pick on the accidental "roles" but let my "greatester" and worstest" go straight through to the keeper. (Or is this your idea of irony? If so, good show! :-) ) Cheers, Marc ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 17:52:15 2008 Received: (qmail 22801 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 15:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 15:52:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F11C2E2C; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:45:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:45:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpoutw.mac.com (smtpoutw.mac.com [17.250.248.179]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485DFC3658 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:31:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail032 (webmail032-s [10.13.128.32]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw004/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m9AFVrsQ027008 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:31:52 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: "olympus@ml.free.fr List" Message-ID: <99579524889077316142141069035043209108-Webmail2@me.com> Subject: [OM] Weekend in Salt Lake City MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.128.237.252 Received: from [216.128.237.252] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:31:52 +0200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jmalmstrom@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 17:52:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef7a2f82641838542571 I'm going back to Sweden on Monday, my work here in Soda Springs, Idaho is done (for now, maybe back in november...). We're heading for Salt Lake City today and will stay there until Monday. Any suggestions on funny or strange things to see? / Johan ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 18:51:12 2008 Received: (qmail 2469 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 16:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 16:51:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF660C510B; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:42:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:42:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4427C4302 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:41:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 20803 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 16:41:21 -0000 Received: from dsl081-113-027.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) (stevegoss@[64.81.113.27]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Oct 2008 16:41:20 -0000 Message-ID: <48EF85A9.1070009@speakeasy.net> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:41:13 -0500 From: Steve & Alicia Goss User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Tope 35 - argh, where has film gone? References: <116311.52128.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <116311.52128.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: stevegoss@speakeasy.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 18:51:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef880035549347015869 Rick- It would have been six if my E-510 hadn't been stolen. Steve Goss, Dallas Tx usa Rick Beckrich wrote: > Only seven of the entries were film based. > > All the others were those digi-things. > > Rick, (the Calvert Curmudgeon) who is going back to film. > > (and B&W at that.) > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 18:57:34 2008 Received: (qmail 28421 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 16:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 16:57:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC05DC335D; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:52:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:52:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE66CC4B56 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:49:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R0MC1a0560QuhwU554oz3t; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:48:59 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([24.20.172.214]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R4oy1a00E4du4sg3N4oyn4; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:48:58 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QR--oTr-KcUA:10 a=fnNEGD-geJoA:10 a=g5nBYyb9AAAA:8 a=DvjiPfSzX00A9WmU6TwA:9 a=dL3MZKfR850U_j02tCkKSnkePVAA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Message-ID: <82AFD6808093489EA67ED778725E001B@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: References: <3C087681-BE17-4DEC-9D84-DC1EBDF4D233@people.net.au> <90CF2B22-7CFA-445B-B01A-BBF16A0F7377@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <90CF2B22-7CFA-445B-B01A-BBF16A0F7377@frozenlight.eu> Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:49:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pelaughlin@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 18:57:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef897e60271823421471 One of the wildest nights I ever spent partying was in Sevilla when I got tangled up with an Irish group that were in Sevilla for the Spain/Ireland football game. I met them in a small bar that I frequented when in Sevilla. The first comment I heard was from one of the Irish ladies. The tapas that were being served with the drinks were pajaritos. She said,"It's a bloody sparrow". I finally got to sleep around 3:30 AM after a night of drinking, flamenco show and such. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life > > Oh, absolutely, and I found at least two local bars run by exiles from > Merseyside. Very convenient for me too, since I am a life-long > Liverpool FC supporter: > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/blog/?p=75 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 20:17:46 2008 Received: (qmail 20850 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 18:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 18:17:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD04C2AFC; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:17:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:17:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DBAC2887 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:17:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:52813 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KoMYC-0004Fm-6u (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:17:20 +0000 Cc: leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, Picture a Day discussion group Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: [Leica] Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: a question for you birders Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:17:18 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 20:17:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ef9c4a18321838542571 Thanks to everyone for looking and identifying. The most prevalent and authoritative answer is HOOPOE (no idea how to pronounce it, the Danish name from Mads is much easier). The other reasonable answer was a woodpecker on LSD. The wealth of knowledge here is astounding. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:53 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I am not much of a bird photographer, but once in a while a bird > catches my eye, like this one: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#390628058_FQZRi-O-LB > > Does anyone know what species this is? > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 22:18:41 2008 Received: (qmail 20800 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 20:18:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 20:18:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9EDC5E83; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:18:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:18:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B32D0C49D7 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:16:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5347 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 20:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 20:16:01 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <03ECCAED-A9B1-46F0-AB00-F1D686312D27@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: [Leica] Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: a question for you birders Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:16:00 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 22:18:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48efb8a1177991993019900 Not a woodpecker in any sense, stoned or otherwise - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoopoe Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/10/2008, at 5:17 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Thanks to everyone for looking and identifying. The most prevalent and > authoritative answer is HOOPOE (no idea how to pronounce it, the > Danish name from Mads is much easier). The other reasonable answer was > a woodpecker on LSD. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 22:22:05 2008 Received: (qmail 6374 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 20:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 20:22:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE62C5D38; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:21:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:21:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DB0FC3F90 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:20:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5542 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 20:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 20:20:49 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48EF2EF6.4090809@gmail.com> References: <48EF2EF6.4090809@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: A new, cheap toy that's actually an Olympus! Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:20:48 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 22:22:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48efb96d324062046811720 But which one? As to the greatesterish landscape cam - my mate makes Linhof copies and they're pretty damn good. He just made one for someone who wore out a Technorama but kept the Super Angulon. http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~razzle/Obsession_617/obsession_617.html Only known Australian camera manufacturer. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/10/2008, at 9:31 PM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > On just another day during which I continue to mull which model to > upgrade my EOS 10D to (the greatest or the even greatester landscape > camera in the universe), or just say, "buggrit", and keep using my > ever-reliable 10D, I managed to go completely backwards from the > hobbyist's holy grail and took delivery of instead, courtesy of an > eBay > seller, something that is probably the worstest landscape camera in > the > entire multiverse and throughout all time. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 22:46:43 2008 Received: (qmail 14150 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 20:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 20:46:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFFEC2EA9; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:46:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:46:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6731FC2DB3 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:46:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DAC314098 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9252F314089 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48EFBF2D.7090704@interisland.net> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:46:37 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Evening walk Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081010-0, 10/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 22:46:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48efbf33318942046811720 > > Nice shot, but you left off the little "You Are Here -->" arrow in the > gap between Bruce Peak and Mt. Maxwell. :-) > Done! Now you can drive up Mt Maxwell and give us a shot of the valley from the overlook :-) http://www.interisland.net/watershed/mike/WalkDogs/maple1a.jpg BTW, whatever happened to the attempt to save Bruce Pk from the loggers? Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 10 23:42:53 2008 Received: (qmail 26742 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 21:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 21:42:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABD9C2C3D; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:42:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:42:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AD8C2CA8 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:42:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R7691a01217UAYkA89ieN6; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:42:38 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.248.240]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R9id1a00F5BwdBs8Z9idTs; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:42:38 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Nb1egU9KJGO5yY4avxsA:9 a=F8E8l-143htmN-R-zc80eWDvcyMA:4 a=JqzK7hVu6n4A:10 a=SCu6APkOASvv8vcl1vsA:9 a=ohwK24m3yzkPAmSpa1q9RxsWojIA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <7F8B8CB35A0A406AA5DAEECAD74C7AEF@daingtanfxkwk9> From: "Darin" To: Subject: [OM] Champagne OM-4T on ebay Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:42:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d.rhein@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 10 23:42:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48efcc5d154681499373980 Item# 330277884999 I don't recall who, but it I believe someone on the list was looking for one of these not to long ago. Not the best looking example, but says if functions properly. Darin ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 00:15:00 2008 Received: (qmail 27526 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 22:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 22:14:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7679EC2FB6; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:14:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:14:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.harbornet.com (smtp.harbornet.com [199.2.132.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8263FC2F17 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:14:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([216.174.237.242]) by smtp.harbornet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m9AMx4qq012075 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48EFD3D7.4070608@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:14:47 -0700 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Obsession 617 - WAS: A new, cheap toy that's actually an Olympus! References: <48EF2EF6.4090809@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 00:15:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48efd3e34298512572685 $900 w/lens!?! Does he actually make any money doing this? It does look like a very nice toy and he price seems very reasonable to me! Andrew Fildes wrote: > But which one? > As to the greatesterish landscape cam - my mate makes Linhof copies > and they're pretty damn good. He just made one for someone who wore > out a Technorama but kept the Super Angulon. > http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~razzle/Obsession_617/obsession_617.html > Only known Australian camera manufacturer. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 10/10/2008, at 9:31 PM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > > >> On just another day during which I continue to mull which model to >> upgrade my EOS 10D to (the greatest or the even greatester landscape >> camera in the universe), or just say, "buggrit", and keep using my >> ever-reliable 10D, I managed to go completely backwards from the >> hobbyist's holy grail and took delivery of instead, courtesy of an >> eBay >> seller, something that is probably the worstest landscape camera in >> the >> entire multiverse and throughout all time. >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 01:31:03 2008 Received: (qmail 9093 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2008 23:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 23:31:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362F9C27B1; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:30:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:30:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F55BC3128 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:30:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5536 invoked by uid 518); 10 Oct 2008 23:30:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20081010233049.5535.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:30:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 75.39.60.50 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 01:31:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48efe5b77651234514069 It'll be a long wait as they're only capable of about 5-6 bits today. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Chris Crawford > Subject: [OM] Re: 16 bit tiff > Sent: Oct 10 '08 12:22 > > > Ken, > > That's true. I often convert my color images to black & white though, and I > am still using Photoshop CS2, which doesn't have BW conversion built into > Camera Raw, so I use Alienskin Exposure and that does give better results on > 16 bit images. Color could be output as 8 bit with no problem once it's > gotten right in the RAW converter but I hope someday that printers capable > of 16bit output will be made, and I'll be ready. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Photography & Graphic Design > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My latest work! > > http://www.plumpatrin.com  Something the world NEEDS. > > > > On 10/9/08 12:03 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > > > > > Chris Crawford wrote: > >> The advantage of 16 bit comes from when you do a lot of photoshop work on > >> it. Your screen can only show an 8 bit image, that's why you don't see a > >> difference on your freshly converted RAW files... > > > > Which brings up a point.  If, during the RAW conversion process, you are > > able to achieve the tonal and color rendition close to final output, then > > there is little reason to convert to 16bit. 16bit is helpful for heavy > > editing, but if there is no editing to be done, why bother? > > > > During the RAW conversion process, the RAW converter is working in higher > > bit-depth than 8-bit and the decision to save as 16-bit or 8-bit has no > > affect on how the RAW converter actually performs. > > > > AG > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 02:55:11 2008 Received: (qmail 24840 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 00:55:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 00:55:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E4CC31D9; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:55:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:54:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0409C3151 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:54:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u3so387615tia.17 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:54:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wn0lImcg6GpdDlD8vcsWXCXnyhL9Pll8q0aSNxwpnKk=; b=dbW6dcypiBIR3I32KgceEAs4vAS0kJuPyTvo46StKj3OoCIsN1ap4WVntGKoDspD5O VgZ/ebnVygFTd8Q78Hu0UM1HjIbU2QYVpSnAdRj1SCQQSl7rSbhcVReAuDbvSy7PkQiV YSnjUzGlAnxBMUnKpLDJ9Y97dLKgnmH3EEBAE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dSccA8GWYWUukl6jVJ/okVXDQELu2tXXNoegoln08mrOYNIdm6XV4GhUhJe1G+LQaj EEfVCKGm2qRkdZj9/3NRvjMAhF9NmNxWByvQGsX0zBzNiimGs3phEsZt6BDTRs80t+ek hDOsEfJu3vBsdLGNuhu8PUnLg3lfxV4VcKWeE= Received: by 10.110.43.18 with SMTP id q18mr2271651tiq.16.1223686497132; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-172-115.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.172.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j5sm4873130tid.11.2008.10.10.17.54.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48EFF954.6040607@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:54:44 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A new, cheap toy that's actually an Olympus! References: <48EF2EF6.4090809@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 02:55:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48eff96f274611035110158 Andrew Fildes wrote: > But which one? If you mean, "Which Pen?" it would be the Pen S with 30mm f/2.8 lens (with a seemingly inaccurate "Suehiro" shoe-mount rangefinder thrown in - if you Google the combination you'll find the actual auction in which I probably paid too much money). If you mean, "Which camera: the greatest or the greatester?"...well, I'm still mulling, but the value of the Aussie dollar is not helping to sway the decision towards the greatester. > As to the greatesterish landscape cam - my mate makes Linhof copies > and they're pretty damn good. He just made one for someone who wore > out a Technorama but kept the Super Angulon. > http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~razzle/Obsession_617/obsession_617.html > Only known Australian camera manufacturer. You've posted a link to your mate's site before, for the Razzle, I think. It was interesting then and it's still interesting now. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 03:18:08 2008 Received: (qmail 13609 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 01:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 01:18:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B727AC33E0; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:17:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:17:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl35.gs02.gridserver.com (cl35.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.44]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DA7C33D8 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:17:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50202 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl35.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KoT7C-0003Lx-JT for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:17:54 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:17:52 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Champagne OM-4T on ebay From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Champagne OM-4T on ebay Thread-Index: AckrPy6CbSc4JpcyEd2xhgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <7F8B8CB35A0A406AA5DAEECAD74C7AEF@daingtanfxkwk9> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 03:18:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48effed0272974673671140 That was me, but I bought one from a list member. It was in near-mint condition and he gave me a good price. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 10/10/08 5:42 PM, "Darin" wrote: > > Item# 330277884999 > > I don't recall who, but it I believe someone on the list was looking for one > of these not to long ago. Not the best looking example, but says if functions > properly. > > Darin > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 03:28:23 2008 Received: (qmail 9661 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 01:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 01:28:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A1BC2863; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:28:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:28:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7-qfe0.srvr.bell.ca [206.47.199.165]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0107EC2992 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:28:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip9-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.87]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081011012810.YIRK1779.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip9-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:28:10 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYJAN2b70hMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIgXu6bYFs Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 10 Oct 2008 21:32:26 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:28:09 -0400 Subject: [OM] New European Olympus Odyssey images posted From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: New European Olympus Odyssey images posted Thread-Index: AcjDd33ZvDBsOC9qEd2rAQAX8gK7wBnySBuy In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 03:28:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f00137241443675314703 Ralf Loi of Milan, Italy has sent his Olympus Odyssey images, and they have been added to the temporary Odyssey "annex" Web site: Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 04:18:05 2008 Received: (qmail 30356 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 02:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 02:18:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD879C306C; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:17:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:17:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A22C342C for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:17:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R6DE1a00C17UAYkAAEHrLK; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:17:51 +0000 Received: from SpongeBob ([24.5.207.129]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id REHj1a00F2o2YFL8ZEHrsm; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:17:51 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wz8MTjkgpQ5JAIOFKuIA:9 a=J9-_ql5l_epXLR_ghBAA:7 a=183m7LPgNaU_CYW57SnBC16yKqMA:4 a=yqFbmg6DZFsA:10 From: "Jay Drew" To: "Zuikoholic" Subject: [OM] Re: Weekend in Salt Lake City Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:17:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c92b47$94ff6e10$6400a8c0@SpongeBob> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dreaded@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 04:18:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f00cdd173211529615919 >I'm going back to Sweden on Monday, my work here in Soda Springs, Idaho is done >(for now, maybe back in november...). We're heading for Salt Lake City today >and will stay there until Monday. > >Any suggestions on funny or strange things to see? > >/ Johan The underwear (And before any gripes about the comment, I spent the first 20 years of my life in Provo, Utah. I managed to escape.) Jay Hand me my costume Please won't you pass me my mask I have appointments I must keep with my past. Bill Nelson - Beauty Secrets ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 05:02:06 2008 Received: (qmail 8121 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 03:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 03:02:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E516BC2C93; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 05:01:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 05:01:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95F1C2CFA for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 05:01:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-24-16.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.24.16]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9B31jiC000775 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:01:45 -0200 Message-ID: <48F02530.1070805@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:01:52 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 35: anonymity lifted References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <50E63AAF-B93B-432D-920E-141E3645D1FD@millennics.c! om> In-Reply-To: <50E63AAF-B93B-432D-920E-141E3645D1FD@millennics.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 05:02:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f0172e45869117217770 Olaf !! It seems to me a little unfair that one person has had the privilege of entering two submissions to this event. This should give to the rest of the submitters the right of entering another one. I'm preparing mine right now. :) Fernando. Olaf Greve wrote: > Hiya, > > I just lifted the anonymity period of TOPE 35, so you can now all go > and check out who took which shot. > > Cheers! > Olafo > > Main page: > http://www.tope.nl > > Direct link to TOPE 35: > http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=35 > > Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: > http://www.tope.nl/events.php > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 06:30:29 2008 Received: (qmail 25231 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 04:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 04:30:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE77C319A; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:30:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:30:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 69F90C3495 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:30:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28170 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 04:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 04:30:12 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48EFD3D7.4070608@spokeandsprocket.com> References: <48EF2EF6.4090809@gmail.com> <48EFD3D7.4070608@spokeandsprocket.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Obsession 617 - WAS: A new, cheap toy that's actually an Olympus! Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:30:11 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 06:30:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f02be5318563675314703 I know - the catch is that he has a hell of a waiting list. But the gear is nice and he's a total perfectionist. He does make a bit but he is really enjoying himself, especially the long-running battle with that twit Littman. He's the classic old school ingenious tinkerer. He loved the idea that people had used his cams to record presidential candidates and the aftermath of Katrina. His father is a retired machinist and does the cute bits and he's been slowly perfecting this stuff for years. Always finding a new way to do something - the finders had him stumped for ages until he found a Giottos Chinese one he could mask down and get a decent view - not as good as a Linnie finder but certainly good enough. He trawls the net for good lenses in decent condition - Super Angulons and some Calumet rebranded Rodenstocks are his favorites I think. I keep telling him to charge more but the utterly unwarranted crash in the AUD has given him a bonus lately. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/10/2008, at 9:14 AM, Jim Couch wrote: > $900 w/lens!?! Does he actually make any money doing this? It does > look > like a very nice toy and he price seems very reasonable to me! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 06:55:24 2008 Received: (qmail 2856 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 04:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 04:55:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BAAC2F5F; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:55:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:55:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D0AC3168 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:55:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:54799 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KoWVU-0003Fa-4r (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:55:13 +0000 Message-Id: <209926C0-32AC-4767-98D8-F3D92C14BEFD@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:55:11 +0200 References: <3C087681-BE17-4DEC-9D84-DC1EBDF4D233@people.net.au> <90CF2B22-7CFA-445B-B01A-BBF16A0F7377@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 06:55:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f031bc78841499373980 Well, Andrew, I don't discriminate based on gender, race, national origin, sexual orientation, religion, or football preferences. After all, you had no choice as you say. I have friends who are Man U supporters; indeed, I even have friends who are Crystal Palace supporters! But I have brought up my son in the True Faith. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 10, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > We are no longer on speaking terms - I mean, it's not as if you were > born there and had no choice. > You decided to be socially handicapped! > Andrew Fildes (certified Manchunian). > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 10/10/2008, at 2:53 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> Oh, absolutely, and I found at least two local bars run by exiles >> from >> Merseyside. Very convenient for me too, since I am a life-long >> Liverpool FC supporter: >> http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/blog/?p=75 > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 06:55:38 2008 Received: (qmail 16486 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 04:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 04:55:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609B9C2C71; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:55:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:55:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1D5C34BB for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:55:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-16-149.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.16.149]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9B4tKoM007214 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:55:20 -0200 Message-ID: <48F03FCF.20706@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:55:27 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 35: anonymity lifted References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <50E63AAF-B93B-432D-920E-141E3645D1FD@millennics.c! om> In-Reply-To: <50E63AAF-B93B-432D-920E-141E3645D1FD@millennics.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 06:55:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f031ca183611342116753 2nd trial .... ************* Olaf !! It seems to me a little unfair that one person has had the privilege of entering two submissions to this event. This should give to the rest of the submitters the right of entering another one. I'm preparing mine right now. :) Fernando. Olaf Greve wrote: > Hiya, > > I just lifted the anonymity period of TOPE 35, so you can now all go > and check out who took which shot. > > Cheers! > Olafo > > Main page: > http://www.tope.nl > > Direct link to TOPE 35: > http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=35 > > Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: > http://www.tope.nl/events.php > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 07:50:45 2008 Received: (qmail 26757 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 05:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 05:50:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31081C3166; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:50:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:50:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D0BEC379F for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:50:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5180 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 05:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 05:50:15 -0000 In-Reply-To: <209926C0-32AC-4767-98D8-F3D92C14BEFD@frozenlight.eu> References: <3C087681-BE17-4DEC-9D84-DC1EBDF4D233@people.net.au> <90CF2B22-7CFA-445B-B01A-BBF16A0F7377@frozenlight.eu> <209926C0-32AC-4767-98D8-F3D92C14BEFD@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:50:13 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 07:50:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f03eb582349117217770 Betrayed by your last sentence. And Palace supporters have no friends and...no hope. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/10/2008, at 3:55 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I have friends who are Man U > supporters; indeed, I even have friends who are Crystal Palace > supporters! But I have brought up my son in the True Faith. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 08:21:24 2008 Received: (qmail 25530 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 06:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 06:21:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357FAC3A86; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:20:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:20:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECA7C3788 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:20:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RJ2x1a0020vp7WLA3JLFaA; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:20:15 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.248.240]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RJLE1a0015BwdBs8RJLEm0; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:20:14 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RT2WN5MZVOMA:10 a=K3eOLG0rAAAA:8 a=NFEgZU4QAAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=wTZnhax42ZZOHXvze5MA:9 a=LcThB6TPl7XZOmj8nVsA:7 a=j7z20e15uh7nplPdeouaOEm6G-QA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=tqucuuI3bnEA:10 Message-ID: <2D8D525393FB49CC992EEDA73E1CF550@daingtanfxkwk9> From: "Darin" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: Champagne OM-4T on ebay Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:20:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d.rhein@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 08:21:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f045e4193521744846740 Glad to hear it Chris. I just wasn't sure if you were still looking, or not. Darin Chris Crawford wrote: > > That was me, but I bought one from a list member. It was in near-mint > condition and he gave me a good price. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Photography & Graphic Design > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. > > > > On 10/10/08 5:42 PM, "Darin" wrote: > >> >> Item# 330277884999 >> >> I don't recall who, but it I believe someone on the list was looking for >> one >> of these not to long ago. Not the best looking example, but says if >> functions >> properly. >> >> Darin >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1718 - Release Date: 10/10/2008 7:07 AM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 08:55:26 2008 Received: (qmail 30104 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 06:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 06:55:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386BFC3751; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:55:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:55:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl39.gs02.gridserver.com (cl39.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79BFC37F8 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:55:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50997 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl39.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KoYNc-0004vR-Ei for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:55:12 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:54:56 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Champagne OM-4T on ebay From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Champagne OM-4T on ebay Thread-Index: AckrbkTzg68V45dhEd2jOgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <2D8D525393FB49CC992EEDA73E1CF550@daingtanfxkwk9> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 08:55:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f04dde299717927319144 Darin, The list is a great source of gear. A lot of the guys here have huge collections of OM equipment, much of it in nearly new condition. I usually ask here first before going to Ebay since there's so much here, the people are honest, and the prices usually very good. I actually had several list members offer me an OM-4T and would have bought another one that was offered at a good price if I'd had the money for two. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 10/11/08 2:20 AM, "Darin" wrote: > > Glad to hear it Chris. I just wasn't sure if you were still looking, or not. > > Darin > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> >> That was me, but I bought one from a list member. It was in near-mint >> condition and he gave me a good price. >> >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Photography & Graphic Design >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >> >> http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. >> >> >> >> On 10/10/08 5:42 PM, "Darin" wrote: >> >>> >>> Item# 330277884999 >>> >>> I don't recall who, but it I believe someone on the list was looking for >>> one >>> of these not to long ago. Not the best looking example, but says if >>> functions >>> properly. >>> >>> Darin >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1718 - Release Date: 10/10/2008 > 7:07 AM > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 09:06:35 2008 Received: (qmail 4251 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 07:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 07:06:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDFAC27AA; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:06:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:06:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647F8C2B0D for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:06:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1830A1D494E6 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:06:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N6-cdtd-hUJf for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEAA1D494D7 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2706EA6B-C4E0-46A9-B9C3-93862078B762@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081011013957.AC29EC278E@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Evening walk Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:06:12 -0700 References: <20081011013957.AC29EC278E@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 09:06:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f0507b179321499373980 > From: Mike >> >> Nice shot, but you left off the little "You Are Here -->" arrow in >> the >> gap between Bruce Peak and Mt. Maxwell. :-) >> > Done! Now you can drive up Mt Maxwell and give us a shot of the valley > from the overlook :-) Here you go, shot *hand held* with E3 and OM 500/8 Reflex: http://www.ecoreality.org/wiki/images/d/dd/EcoReality_from_Mount_Maxwell.jpg I'm in the basement of the yellow house at the moment, although much of today was spent getting in firewood and putting energy meters on the white house so we can subtract the common pump house and garage/ classroom space from the white house electricity bill. > BTW, whatever happened to the attempt to save Bruce Pk from the > loggers? Over and done. Our property backs on the new ~1000 hectare Burgoyne Bay Provincial Park, which protects 704m (2310 ft) Bruce Peak, down to sea level at Burgoyne Bay, then back up to Mt. Maxwell. Kind of like having a 2,500 acre back yard that you don't have to pay taxes on... :-) http://www.conservancy.bc.ca/content.asp?sectionid=116 :::: Quite clearly, our task is predominantly metaphysical, for it is how to get all of humanity to educate itself swiftly enough to generate spontaneous behaviors that will avoid extinction. -- R. Buckminster Fuller, _Synergetics_ :::: :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 12:48:11 2008 Received: (qmail 10299 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 10:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 10:48:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F540C3C94; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:47:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:47:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D061DC3CE1 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:47:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Koc0s-0001MC-Jj for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:47:58 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Koc0s-0001IT-40 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:47:58 +0100 Message-ID: <48F0846E.7060901@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:48:14 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: New European Olympus Odyssey images posted References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 12:48:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f0846b141911257536491 Michael Collins wrote: > Ralf Loi of Milan, Italy has sent his Olympus Odyssey images, and they have > been added to the temporary Odyssey "annex" Web site: > > > > Michael Hey, nice set! D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 13:10:09 2008 Received: (qmail 21273 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 11:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 11:10:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC568C4297; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:09:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:09:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF6DC3E6C for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:07:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CBA46158F for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:23:02 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <51FAE3FE-4237-4BD3-B770-978F3316A911@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: New European Olympus Odyssey images posted Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:07:42 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 13:10:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f08991313225368819438 Well done Ralf (and Michael for maintaining it). I like the photos, but as an English English speaker I might try to guide you towards the use of English English rather than American English: back yard = garden (or back garden) garage sale = jumble sale :-) Chris p.s. I still have your lovely photo of sunflowers from several years ago. cb On 11 Oct 2008, at 02:28, Michael Collins wrote: > Ralf Loi of Milan, Italy has sent his Olympus Odyssey images, and > they have > been added to the temporary Odyssey "annex" Web site: > > gallery_chrome_2.htm#R_Loi> > > Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 13:28:00 2008 Received: (qmail 11125 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 11:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 11:27:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBB0C4068; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:27:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:27:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 59B9CC3B67 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:26:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 10104 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 11:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 11:26:57 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <51FAE3FE-4237-4BD3-B770-978F3316A911@threeshoes.net> References: <51FAE3FE-4237-4BD3-B770-978F3316A911@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <12F747C1-E76B-479A-BFA4-2FB17A82620C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: New European Olympus Odyssey images posted Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:26:54 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 13:28:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f08dc095881585427447 Hmmmm.... Does the term 'back garden' apply if there is no actual garden I think there's a few things I planted out there but they're dead - the forest killed them). The term backyard conjures a charming image of beaten earth, straggly weeds and several dead cars. Of course it's not a garage sale if you aren't selling garages which makes a boot sale a bit strange too. Can I buy a jumble, or is it that everything is jumbled? Tomorrow is the local photographic swap meet (damn - what's the English for that then?) and it'll be a pretty jumble of jumbles, a shambles (minus the meat). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/10/2008, at 10:07 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > I like the photos, but as an English English speaker I might try to > guide you towards the use of English English rather than American > English: > > back yard = garden (or back garden) > > garage sale = jumble sale ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 17:17:35 2008 Received: (qmail 32033 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 15:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 15:17:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739C4C3619; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:17:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:17:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2986C4D8D for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:10:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CDC46152E for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:25:38 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <12F747C1-E76B-479A-BFA4-2FB17A82620C@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: New European Olympus Odyssey images posted Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:10:17 +0100 References: <51FAE3FE-4237-4BD3-B770-978F3316A911@threeshoes.net> <12F747C1-E76B-479A-BFA4-2FB17A82620C@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 17:17:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f0c38e150191823421471 Ignoring your ramble, Andrew, what's the meat in shambles? Chris On 11 Oct 2008, at 12:26, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Hmmmm.... > Does the term 'back garden' apply if there is no actual garden I > think there's a few things I planted out there but they're dead - the > forest killed them). The term backyard conjures a charming image of > beaten earth, straggly weeds and several dead cars. > Of course it's not a garage sale if you aren't selling garages which > makes a boot sale a bit strange too. Can I buy a jumble, or is it > that everything is jumbled? Tomorrow is the local photographic swap > meet (damn - what's the English for that then?) and it'll be a pretty > jumble of jumbles, a shambles (minus the meat). ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 18:56:59 2008 Received: (qmail 21444 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 16:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 16:56:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A188C36FD; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:56:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:56:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AF4C3EE3 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:55:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20081011165533H040096j3de>; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:55:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Subject: [OM] IMG: Rose Cluster, Takumar 135/3.5 on E-510 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:55:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 18:56:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f0dadb10462046811720 I obtained a Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 135/3.5 to use on my E-510. Before sending feedback to the seller, I made a few images around the neighborhood. I am happy with the results. This rose cluster is a part of the planting around my neighbor's mailbox, hence is growing in the hard roadside soil. It caught my eye. Bright noonday lighting was a challenge, but the result is pleasing. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose+Cluster.tif.html Critiques and comments welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 19:35:17 2008 Received: (qmail 21138 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 17:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 17:35:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6757C4435; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:34:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:34:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.harbornet.com (smtp.harbornet.com [199.2.132.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC158C3BF7 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:33:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([216.174.237.242]) by smtp.harbornet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m9BIHmkp014645 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48F0E36E.5000202@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:33:34 -0700 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Obsession 617 - WAS: A new, cheap toy that's actually an Olympus! References: <48EF2EF6.4090809@gmail.com> <48EFD3D7.4070608@spokeandsprocket.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 19:35:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f0e3d5247711869477228 It looks well worth the wait, I am tempted to get my name on the waiting list. One way to shorten up the waiting list is to raise the price, he would work easier and make more money. But don't don't tell him that until after I get mine! :) Jim Couch Andrew Fildes wrote: > I know - the catch is that he has a hell of a waiting list. > But the gear is nice and he's a total perfectionist. > He does make a bit but he is really enjoying himself, especially the > long-running battle with that twit Littman. He's the classic old > school ingenious tinkerer. He loved the idea that people had used his > cams to record presidential candidates and the aftermath of Katrina. > His father is a retired machinist and does the cute bits and he's > been slowly perfecting this stuff for years. Always finding a new way > to do something - the finders had him stumped for ages until he found > a Giottos Chinese one he could mask down and get a decent view - not > as good as a Linnie finder but certainly good enough. He trawls the > net for good lenses in decent condition - Super Angulons and some > Calumet rebranded Rodenstocks are his favorites I think. > I keep telling him to charge more but the utterly unwarranted crash > in the AUD has given him a bonus lately. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 11/10/2008, at 9:14 AM, Jim Couch wrote: > > >> $900 w/lens!?! Does he actually make any money doing this? It does >> look >> like a very nice toy and he price seems very reasonable to me! >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 22:47:57 2008 Received: (qmail 6548 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 20:47:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 20:47:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615F6C3B29; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:47:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:47:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 41195C38F8 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:47:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1828 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 20:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 20:47:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <51FAE3FE-4237-4BD3-B770-978F3316A911@threeshoes.net> <12F747C1-E76B-479A-BFA4-2FB17A82620C@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <2B034F77-B75F-499B-BB96-86DEE6A105BD@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: New European Olympus Odyssey images posted Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:47:38 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 22:47:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f110fd215561585427447 A 'Shambles' was orginally the street with all the butchers in a town. It was such a foul mess usually that the meaning migrated. Just off to the ramble sale... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/10/2008, at 2:10 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > > Ignoring your ramble, Andrew, what's the meat in shambles? > > Chris > > On 11 Oct 2008, at 12:26, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> Hmmmm.... >> Does the term 'back garden' apply if there is no actual garden I >> think there's a few things I planted out there but they're dead - the >> forest killed them). The term backyard conjures a charming image of >> beaten earth, straggly weeds and several dead cars. >> Of course it's not a garage sale if you aren't selling garages which >> makes a boot sale a bit strange too. Can I buy a jumble, or is it >> that everything is jumbled? Tomorrow is the local photographic swap >> meet (damn - what's the English for that then?) and it'll be a pretty >> jumble of jumbles, a shambles (minus the meat). > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 22:53:37 2008 Received: (qmail 4013 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 20:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 20:53:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26005C331B; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:53:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:53:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id A2637C31DE for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:53:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3086 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 20:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 20:53:22 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48EFF954.6040607@gmail.com> References: <48EF2EF6.4090809@gmail.com> <48EFF954.6040607@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <0FBF1DA7-C904-4DAF-9BA0-8702BE109B47@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: A new, cheap toy that's actually an Olympus! Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:53:21 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 22:53:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f11251280905368819438 Yup - I thought it was worth boosting my mate because there's been a bit of a revival of interest in film around here - and I'm so bloody impressed by what he's achieved. He's not the greatest photographer around (Oh, the irony!) but I love his gear. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/10/2008, at 11:54 AM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > You've posted a link to your mate's site before, for the Razzle, I > think. It was interesting then and it's still interesting now. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 23:08:05 2008 Received: (qmail 15514 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 21:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 21:08:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E620C3369; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:07:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:07:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id DC6E5C3EE0 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:07:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3858 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 21:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 21:07:32 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48F0E36E.5000202@spokeandsprocket.com> References: <48EF2EF6.4090809@gmail.com> <48EFD3D7.4070608@spokeandsprocket.com> <48F0E36E.5000202@spokeandsprocket.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <5D74172D-4A45-4290-A5F1-0B59AFE39BFB@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Obsession 617 - WAS: A new, cheap toy that's actually an Olympus! Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:07:30 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 23:08:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f115b5231857350615338 Dean has made a few nice guitars too... :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/10/2008, at 4:33 AM, Jim Couch wrote: > It looks well worth the wait, I am tempted to get my name on the > waiting > list. One way to shorten up the waiting list is to raise the price, he > would work easier and make more money. But don't don't tell him that > until after I get mine! :) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 11 23:40:49 2008 Received: (qmail 11404 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 21:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 21:40:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F868C3E88; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:40:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:40:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5C5C3E14 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:40:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A87C9751 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:57:53 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <20A22FB7-2C98-4750-A17A-6AD87A7C99CE@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <2B034F77-B75F-499B-BB96-86DEE6A105BD@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: New European Olympus Odyssey images posted Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:40:35 +0100 References: <51FAE3FE-4237-4BD3-B770-978F3316A911@threeshoes.net> <12F747C1-E76B-479A-BFA4-2FB17A82620C@people.net.au> <2B034F77-B75F-499B-BB96-86DEE6A105BD@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 11 23:40:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f11d61319557927319144 Thanks for that. Somehow, it reminds me of the meat market in Calcutta: dogs fighting over the entrails in the bloody gutter and the smell almost overpowering ... Chris On 11 Oct 2008, at 21:47, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > A 'Shambles' was orginally the street with all the butchers in a > town. It was such a foul mess usually that the meaning migrated. > Just off to the ramble sale... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 01:45:27 2008 Received: (qmail 6974 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2008 23:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 23:45:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F1AC2E91; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:45:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:45:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.142]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F038DC2DE2 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:45:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Koo95-0007iH-Jl for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:45:15 +0000 Message-ID: <48F13A93.7070300@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:45:23 +0100 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mailing list Subject: [OM] B&W clouds - software test Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [217.155.39.109] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@m93.myzen.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 01:45:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f13a97314698512572685 Hi, Just been messing about with some new (to me at least) blog software... want to see how some of the basic features work...... - http://blog.archaeoimages.com/ It does have an Oly image - albeit rather truncated, if someone could post a brief reply it would be appreciated. Regards - Martyn ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 03:05:48 2008 Received: (qmail 459 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 01:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 01:05:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF39C3221; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:05:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:05:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.harbornet.com (smtp.harbornet.com [199.2.132.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A46C2FDA for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:05:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([216.174.237.242]) by smtp.harbornet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m9C1no3J019951 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48F14D61.2080009@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:05:37 -0700 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Obsession 617 - WAS: A new, cheap toy that's actually an Olympus! References: <48EF2EF6.4090809@gmail.com> <48EFD3D7.4070608@spokeandsprocket.com> <48F0E36E.5000202@spokeandsprocket.com> <5D74172D-4A45-4290-A5F1-0B59AFE39BFB@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <5D74172D-4A45-4290-A5F1-0B59AFE39BFB@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 03:05:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f14d6c143843675314703 Thank heavens I don't have that habit as well! :) Jim Couch Andrew Fildes wrote: > Dean has made a few nice guitars too... :-) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 12/10/2008, at 4:33 AM, Jim Couch wrote: > > >> It looks well worth the wait, I am tempted to get my name on the >> waiting >> list. One way to shorten up the waiting list is to raise the price, he >> would work easier and make more money. But don't don't tell him that >> until after I get mine! :) >> > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 04:40:34 2008 Received: (qmail 5955 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 02:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 02:40:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10274C33C7; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:40:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:40:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA092C32C2 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:40:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4409C31408C for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FAB314089 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48F1639F.2010203@interisland.net> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:40:31 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Evening walk Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081011-0, 10/11/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 04:40:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f163a2133297350615338 > >> > BTW, whatever happened to the attempt to save Bruce Pk from the loggers? >> > > Over and done Great news! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 04:53:57 2008 Received: (qmail 21913 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 02:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 02:53:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC04C3839; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:53:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:53:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06355C384D for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:53:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AF131408C for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209D7314089 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48F166C2.3000602@interisland.net> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:53:54 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: New European Olympus Odyssey images posted Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081011-0, 10/11/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 04:53:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f166c4190041234514069 > > garage sale = jumble sale So what do Canadians call a garage sale? Answer: A garADGE sale. (rhymes with badge) I actually listened to two Canadians on the radio arguing that the ubiquitous Mexican food from flat corn bread is correctly pronounced TACKo rather than TAYco. Too much for sensitive ears. At least they get their elections over with in a hurry even if the results don't make any sense. ;-) Mike (ducking for cover) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 08:12:31 2008 Received: (qmail 28896 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 06:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 06:12:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEDDC314F; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:12:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:12:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B1B5AC2AB8 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:12:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 20259 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 06:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 06:12:14 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48F166C2.3000602@interisland.net> References: <48F166C2.3000602@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <2E19C5CD-9C53-4081-9D7D-64B2DEA88314@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: New European Olympus Odyssey images posted Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:12:11 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 08:12:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f1954f294691234514069 The er...proper English pronounciation varies between 'gahraage' (posh) and 'garrige' . And people tend to eat tahcos here. If they bother. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/10/2008, at 1:53 PM, Mike wrote: > >> >> garage sale = jumble sale > So what do Canadians call a garage sale? > > Answer: A garADGE sale. (rhymes with badge) I actually listened to two > Canadians on the radio arguing that the ubiquitous Mexican food from > flat corn bread is correctly pronounced TACKo rather than TAYco. Too > much for sensitive ears. > At least they get their elections over with in a hurry even if the > results don't make any sense. ;-) > > Mike (ducking for cover) > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 09:16:36 2008 Received: (qmail 13280 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 07:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 07:16:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD351C305E; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:16:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:16:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8811DC2FBB for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:16:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:56650 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KovBd-0002sg-6A (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:16:22 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, Picture a Day discussion group Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 41: the sun is not always shining here Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:16:19 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 09:16:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f1a454117971023412894 This week I offer you proof that the sun is not always shining here on the Costa Blanca. Besides rain, I also offer you fat women, a love declaration, and I continue the new tradition of photographing food before eating it: http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=162 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 10:15:07 2008 Received: (qmail 21499 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 08:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 08:15:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42F1C30F6; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:14:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:14:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99066C342C for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:14:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9D946157F for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:30:16 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6F7A6A9D-7CBC-46CB-A132-718407CFCF67@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 41: the sun is not always shining here Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:14:54 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 10:15:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f1b20b308141234514069 The light looks lovely, Nathan; well on the beaches anyway. And I like your decision to make mono of the stormy scenes. Chris On 12 Oct 2008, at 08:16, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > This week I offer you proof that the sun is not always shining here on > the Costa Blanca. Besides rain, I also offer you fat women, a love > declaration, and I continue the new tradition of photographing food > before eating it: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=162 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 11:16:32 2008 Received: (qmail 10501 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 09:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 09:16:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB31DC3AE4; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:16:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:16:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 08ADDC2E85 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:16:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 8152 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 09:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 09:16:17 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 41: the sun is not always shining here Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:16:13 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 11:16:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f1c070141671946193717 Oh yes love the cabbage rolls but note that some of have so little Spanish that I don't know if that declaration is a religious dedication or not. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/10/2008, at 6:16 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > This week I offer you proof that the sun is not always shining here on > the Costa Blanca. Besides rain, I also offer you fat women, a love > declaration, and I continue the new tradition of photographing food > before eating it: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 11:37:05 2008 Received: (qmail 27051 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 09:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 09:37:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC48FC3AD5; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:36:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:36:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FDDC3FF5 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:35:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:56802 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KoxM9-0000v2-1E (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:35:21 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 41: the sun is not always shining here Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:35:20 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 11:37:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f1c54169591257536491 Sorry, forgot to translate. It is not religious, Jesus is a common name in Spain. Basically, a girl wrote to her boyfriend something like: "neither the sun nor the moon nor any of the stars equal your beauty". Thanks for looking, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 12, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Oh yes love the cabbage rolls but note that some of have so little > Spanish that I don't know if that declaration is a religious > dedication or not. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 12/10/2008, at 6:16 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> This week I offer you proof that the sun is not always shining here >> on >> the Costa Blanca. Besides rain, I also offer you fat women, a love >> declaration, and I continue the new tradition of photographing food >> before eating it: > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 12:25:03 2008 Received: (qmail 5999 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 10:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 10:25:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADA7C3839; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:24:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:24:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DB7AC37C2 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:23:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17577 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 10:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 10:23:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <22A602F1-971F-4867-953E-6D9AB52122EF@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 41: the sun is not always shining here Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:23:32 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 12:25:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f1d07f125531529615919 I was aware of that but I'm always wary of unexpected god-botherers. I once taught a class with both Jesus and Mohammed in it (both 15yo, one from Guatamala, the other from Pakistan). We were hoping that a Moses might show up to complete the set. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/10/2008, at 8:35 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Sorry, forgot to translate. It is not religious, Jesus is a common > name in Spain. > > Basically, a girl wrote to her boyfriend something like: "neither the > sun nor the moon nor any of the stars equal your beauty". ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 12:53:11 2008 Received: (qmail 20412 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 10:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 10:53:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B29C3C7D; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:52:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:52:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D40C4802 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:51:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2633D461585 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:06:54 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <029E3B4F-F8E4-4CE9-A4D5-C03CBD71A085@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48F13A93.7070300@m93.myzen.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: B&W clouds - software test Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:51:32 +0100 References: <48F13A93.7070300@m93.myzen.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 12:53:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f1d717239537350615338 Martyn I've left a comment on the blog. It all seems to work OK. You're using Movable Type; aren't you supposed to attribute the software/code somewhere on the page? Chris On 12 Oct 2008, at 00:45, Martyn Smoothy wrote: > Hi, > > Just been messing about with some new (to me at least) blog > software... > want to see how some of the basic features work...... > > - http://blog.archaeoimages.com/ > > It does have an Oly image - albeit rather truncated, if someone could > post a brief reply it would be appreciated. > > Regards - Martyn ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 13:29:40 2008 Received: (qmail 3959 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 11:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 11:29:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4C8C3C44; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:29:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:29:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA12C3E33 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:29:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Koz8Y-0004b3-Mx for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:29:26 +0000 Message-ID: <48F1DF9A.3050503@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:29:30 +0100 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: B&W clouds - software test References: <48F13A93.7070300@m93.myzen.co.uk> <029E3B4F-F8E4-4CE9-A4D5-C03CBD71A085@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <029E3B4F-F8E4-4CE9-A4D5-C03CBD71A085@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [217.155.39.109] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@m93.myzen.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 13:29:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f1dfa4262201499373980 Chris (& Marc), Thanks for taking the time to comment. Basic functions seem to be working OK though I don't much like the standard layouts it provides. May be forced to read the manual... :-( Thinking of trying a test with Word Press to see how that compares (believe that's what Nathan uses for his PAD/PAW). The install is a "standard" one from MT & there is an attribution on the front page - I assume that's sufficient. You're right the pictures are grainy, always appears much worse in scans than in "real" prints... :-) Regards - Martyn Chris Barker wrote: > Martyn > > I've left a comment on the blog. It all seems to work OK. > > You're using Movable Type; aren't you supposed to attribute the > software/code somewhere on the page? > > Chris > > On 12 Oct 2008, at 00:45, Martyn Smoothy wrote: > > >> Hi, >> >> Just been messing about with some new (to me at least) blog >> software... >> want to see how some of the basic features work...... >> >> - http://blog.archaeoimages.com/ >> >> It does have an Oly image - albeit rather truncated, if someone could >> post a brief reply it would be appreciated. >> >> Regards - Martyn >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 13:54:05 2008 Received: (qmail 31162 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 11:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 11:54:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C15C4867; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:53:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:53:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E18C4C2E for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:50:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC9346141F for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:05:25 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48F1DF9A.3050503@m93.myzen.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: B&W clouds - software test Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:50:03 +0100 References: <48F13A93.7070300@m93.myzen.co.uk> <029E3B4F-F8E4-4CE9-A4D5-C03CBD71A085@threeshoes.net> <48F1DF9A.3050503@m93.myzen.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 13:54:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f1e55d245591257536491 Martyn I use WordPress on a private site and it is very good. But Movable Type might look prettier. Chris On 12 Oct 2008, at 12:29, Martyn Smoothy wrote: > > Chris (& Marc), > > Thanks for taking the time to comment. Basic functions seem to be > working OK though I don't much like the standard layouts it provides. > May be forced to read the manual... :-( > Thinking of trying a test with Word Press to see how that compares > (believe that's what Nathan uses for his PAD/PAW). > > The install is a "standard" one from MT & there is an attribution on > the > front page - I assume that's sufficient. > > You're right the pictures are grainy, always appears much worse in > scans > than in "real" prints... :-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 14:22:50 2008 Received: (qmail 19900 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 12:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 12:22:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593E1C351B; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:22:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:22:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13EFC2BC3 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:22:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u3so684405tia.17 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:22:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kFSFgmxG9rkcrQmNDXLpiw8qt+LIozdoDLxKJlaK0ZA=; b=ViIhrfjkk+71R9FVPmmE1N7VIMlFKAU7KSLN8P2GH0M3BsFgPYgi9zllpAL7ukpgVO +WJzGIUPY8Ke+qz3ANDGS0QkvShERMrBf+wWJX9msm3EbMNAo7TVgNKgp0qeCv31UOL8 gS1FRnWa/LX5hcmjx1bqoiMzlSD57hO2Uq8Yg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XqTKcCAf+SiUSzldjTN9/KFCDRaum2XbNkn8e6yoWR3dY4JdoglSKVamfN/bxIcdwi GGptSTA6SKtt4PmLWUclSwqJuYSGI7XnptbXmDMWerbZ9Afn08K0nltk8HG3ef4WzXsH QLLxHYh+SaSZYf2UjC2iHZWMvJrd/TYMdlifY= Received: by 10.110.2.2 with SMTP id 2mr4067812tib.31.1223814153076; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-172-115.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.172.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u12sm8942690tia.3.2008.10.12.05.22.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48F1EBFD.9050703@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:22:21 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: B&W clouds - software test References: <48F13A93.7070300@m93.myzen.co.uk> <029E3B4F-F8E4-4CE9-A4D5-C03CBD71A085@threeshoes.net> <48F1DF9A.3050503@m93.myzen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 14:22:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f1ec1a39731035110158 Chris Barker wrote: > Martyn > > I use WordPress on a private site and it is very good. But Movable > Type might look prettier. For what it's worth, Wordpress has a bazillion free themes out there that you can apply to an installation, to make it look how you wish. Those themes sometimes have quite a few options to alter your blog's appearance, administered via a simple web interface, part of the Wordpress administration interface. You can also modify the theme's stylesheets directly, and elements/graphics of those themes, if you're so inclined (I've done that with a theme I liked, but wanted with a totally different colour pallet). I remember even seeing a website that let you create your own theme from scratch and packaged it for application to your own installation. The free, available themes go from very minimalist styles, with few to no distractions, to things that make your average MySpace page look like a blank sheet of A4, and everything in-between. The themes are very easy to apply as well (since you essentially just "unzip" the theme to the themes directory, then use the Wordpress Admin pages to apply it). For me, it was easier to apply and alter the theme of my blogs than it is to retain the enthusiasm to ever update them. :-) Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 14:24:49 2008 Received: (qmail 1817 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 12:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 12:24:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9536AC2F6E; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:24:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:24:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CBEC2FFD for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:24:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 6061 invoked by uid 518); 12 Oct 2008 12:24:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20081012122436.6060.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 41: the sun is not always shining here Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:24:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 75.39.60.50 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 14:24:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f1ec91289922336821329 #8 or #9 Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Nathan Wajsman > Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 41: the sun is not always shining here > Sent: Oct 12 '08 07:16 > > > This week I offer you proof that the sun is not always shining here on   > the Costa Blanca. Besides rain, I also offer you fat women, a love   > declaration, and I continue the new tradition of photographing food   > before eating it: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=162 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 17:33:10 2008 Received: (qmail 7722 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 15:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 15:33:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BCBC2CC4; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:32:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:32:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.87]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B4EF7C38EE for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:32:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 41549 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 15:32:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Bys1jHWFV/ADUjb5aFz2sYxdtvWRXPuwcqYb1PBilvboM7oO6vjcV5Bq8lZe8IV9l4eSFJIKVdFRQME1qTEFtSS962LTogwA899BZsn2L3J4dQMCHxwhXiouw+L59eiKiRBLRfLNHyiHkAnV2V92OVKr4rhdNIPJ5x3rSq0ksmc=; X-YMail-OSG: m1qWnQAVM1ly7ecsby4_oMRfqzHP8R1I5v5g6SIEopDPdyF5i7PY8wXuxW4B8IaeoaDVFq154u.Dna_fASpNGmhDagdWepUWxwzM0C5lLSKb.4s73_moBVx1rNybcQbDR8bNWgosmjG5aqiHqPBsYvEN1DWe Received: from [86.163.213.24] by web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:32:56 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:32:56 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN Subject: [OM] ot.Diesel cars To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <514489.37722.qm@web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: john.duggan10@btinternet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 17:33:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f218b65191993019900 Hi all, On Monday evening I was rear ended at a local roundabout. Road was greasy due to drizzle and a car skidded at least 30ft, rear ended me and pushed my 6yr old Saab 93 6ft on to a round about. Testimoney to the Saab only bodywork damage appears to be rear bumper and underskirt. However damage has been caused to the exhaust which has been pushed forward and bent at the catalytic converter, and damage has also been caused to the gearbox. whilst waiting for repairs to my car I have been loaned a new (800mls) Saab Aero 93 TTiD. This has a 1.9l twin turbo Diesel engine. 180 brake hp with 400Nm of torque. 45mpg..and you cannot get it to run out of "grunt" It really shows how far diesel cars have come on in the last few years. Now I just must keep repeating diesel...diesel....every time I pass a petrol station. In a few years time when it has lost 50%+ of its value it might just be in my price league! Estimate for repairs approx £3,000/ $5,500 Plus cost of hire car which will be passed on to the insurer of the "muppet who rear ended me! Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 17:42:54 2008 Received: (qmail 3696 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 15:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 15:42:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B0FC3504; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:42:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:42:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 45711C378A for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:42:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 64538 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 15:42:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bXtkmG4NkVc+43PRaIRUEO1mrwnAWfJ+jBV4QEoVbiwTPtyfQiN+xo565yNJbIJIkk3xNNAh+1EdJxb/I1aPCy8MhLi1J6eFklJR3xe2t0re7Kp+peyUfrTouOCW9pTYAtmKA13m3L1rJJiNVK6jApXtOLj/koqI/jMCFLCWbs0=; X-YMail-OSG: NKNLMF0VM1lVb_0VdcNyuLpIcabj_GeS54fvIt6yHtcJK2mfdS.NT0gBPPVEtFP3jWtEOXeCLOTM0hDBH4N08kwK.Wf0_qJS3qnm9VFr.tdoLRqYStif_dEWmoVtcxK.qb3m2BwXHNbE4G_akJyqqY_4KFRu Received: from [86.163.213.24] by web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:42:42 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:42:42 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN Subject: [OM] Olympus PM-6 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <125966.61790.qm@web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: john.duggan10@btinternet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 17:42:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f21afe195081585427447 Has anyone got info on the Olympus PM-6 microscope cameras. I could not resist one on e-bay recently. It is in almost mint condition. Copal shutter runs from B to 1/50. I believe later models went to 1/250. any info/ operating instructions, or heads up to internet sites would be much appreciated. Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 17:49:03 2008 Received: (qmail 2135 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 15:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 15:49:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C6DC3520; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:48:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:48:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D256C3206 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:48:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1DFC9667 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:06:10 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <514489.37722.qm@web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: ot.Diesel cars Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:48:50 +0100 References: <514489.37722.qm@web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 17:49:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f21c6f108731342116753 Nice! Glad you're OK, John, but what fun to have a hire car like that ... Chris On 12 Oct 2008, at 16:32, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > > Hi all, > On Monday evening I was rear ended at a local roundabout. Road > was greasy due to drizzle and a car skidded at least 30ft, rear > ended me and pushed my 6yr old Saab 93 6ft on to a round about. > Testimoney to the Saab only bodywork damage appears to be rear > bumper and underskirt. However damage has been caused to the exhaust > which has been pushed forward and bent at the catalytic converter, > and damage has also been caused to the gearbox. > whilst waiting for repairs to my car I have been loaned a new > (800mls) Saab Aero 93 TTiD. This has a 1.9l twin turbo Diesel > engine. 180 brake hp with 400Nm of torque. 45mpg..and you cannot get > it to run out of "grunt" > > It really shows how far diesel cars have come on in the last few > years. > Now I just must keep repeating diesel...diesel....every time I pass > a petrol station. > In a few years time when it has lost 50%+ of its value it might > just be in my price league! > Estimate for repairs approx £3,000/ $5,500 Plus cost of hire car > which will be passed on to the insurer of the "muppet who rear ended > me! > > Regards ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 18:10:51 2008 Received: (qmail 28358 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 16:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 16:10:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1492DC2E5B; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:10:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:10:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D899C2B90 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:10:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so1341536wah.1 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:10:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Frw4tJSuBWt9TtvtkLvecYNl51YBQJ58Q0z0e1dOcEY=; b=Wunt/mDFH+sUe+LUJhp9b3Wp9NQV39hx9k1ZX9kRMndxjE91zla4WlgF6Ld7xgDDH4 8+sA1GKzjKC4GtbDDKB6QpvNyyUWPHYczX+bSzAliGL9RuOruCkcKZkhZ7PLgwc0rane yPhNfGbzGpEdKtxrOzIsF9ZEPoJwgsJa5cPO0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=WG7803Yk5Md2CmoucTYRV42W+wbE77v71Sw37eT6AGwJgk6f6z41PMZvf4kIiov7me 6SAMxZuyjYyNXkDK7wFd24qlYJdnB9Y8Y8P8JRIsxEBrkFtwM1jWV7PajvHVB8rtoRNV q/DWwurVnsHmwQKCRpXkTFJKklFse4j4euPMY= Received: by 10.114.81.1 with SMTP id e1mr4283556wab.16.1223827837278; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810120910k72921d6dk1768f7198ec30437@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:10:37 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: ot.Diesel cars In-Reply-To: <514489.37722.qm@web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <514489.37722.qm@web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b0c6852818d6a28e X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 18:10:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f2218b75171234514069 Saabs over here (Belgium) depreciate 50% in 1 year :-( On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 5:32 PM, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > > Now I just must keep repeating diesel...diesel....every time I pass a > petrol station. > In a few years time when it has lost 50%+ of its value it might just be in > my price league! > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 18:41:49 2008 Received: (qmail 12657 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 16:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 16:41:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABECC3AD3; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:41:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:41:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E775C3A1E for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:41:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20081012164135.RWWF21103.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:41:35 +0100 Received: from user4fec106f50 ([81.99.10.243]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20081012164135.RIMA21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@user4fec106f50> for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:41:35 +0100 From: "David W Bell" To: References: <125966.61790.qm@web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus PM-6 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:41:17 +0100 Message-ID: <9667806C595B476D9A84BA8A2678C3F5@user4fec106f50> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <125966.61790.qm@web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcksgTNPs44SEJLES4yPMa0jm7+MWwAB/9Yg X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=5yQ81ddKmjTbgnP5rPEA:9 a=wKkabfikVGbQTdIHQyoA:7 a=Tc8VmTXWA23Lb-RHch75v-_bzFcA:4 a=BDXKcin-EtgA:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: david.w.bell@ntlworld.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 18:41:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f228cd318381234514069 See that Ffordes have 2 bodies listed at £199 and £299 Dave -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of JOHN DUGGAN Sent: 12 October 2008 16:43 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Olympus PM-6 Has anyone got info on the Olympus PM-6 microscope cameras. I could not resist one on e-bay recently. It is in almost mint condition. Copal shutter runs from B to 1/50. I believe later models went to 1/250. any info/ operating instructions, or heads up to internet sites would be much appreciated. Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 20:43:51 2008 Received: (qmail 13482 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 18:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 18:43:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B7EC41D8; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:43:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:43:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBFFC3464 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:42:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20081012184208.LNCP10791.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:42:08 +0100 Received: from user4fec106f50 ([81.99.10.243]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20081012184208.STEQ21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@user4fec106f50> for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:42:08 +0100 From: "David W Bell" To: References: <48F13A93.7070300@m93.myzen.co.uk> <029E3B4F-F8E4-4CE9-A4D5-C03CBD71A085@threeshoes.net> Subject: [OM] [OT] Book on the bay Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:41:50 +0100 Message-ID: <7B97974F484C4577956F9C01B4765AC4@user4fec106f50> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcksWMbAY8xh9pdMSv2a/MVS/qJVbwAQRe0g In-Reply-To: <029E3B4F-F8E4-4CE9-A4D5-C03CBD71A085@threeshoes.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=FkqdhtWObHUymUCk8UUA:9 a=Qys_-CC69QHfpPYuZ-jrEwhoA1QA:4 a=gJcimI5xSWUA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=zlmx87oXeq21QAoiOYcA:9 a=0UBDQundBl8s1wjE6y8A:7 a=Iwhz4ElVZ8QuFP1XGv2jScIHLHUA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: david.w.bell@ntlworld.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 20:43:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f2456743801234514069 Of interest to anyone.. Item number: 260298424699 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 22:09:25 2008 Received: (qmail 24571 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 20:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 20:09:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27A6C2F72; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:09:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:09:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E80C3029 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:09:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d07.4125db29 (37528) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB011-929848f2596432a; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:09:08 -0400 Received: from webmail-dd14 (webmail-dd14.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.14]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA038-5c5a48f2595f25b; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:09:03 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Film update Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:09:03 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.14) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:09:03 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAFABD81EBF376-10AC-52AB@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 22:09:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f25975176265368819438 The 100 Ektar should ship soon. Adorama and Calumet take pre-orders. B&H still lists the 100 UC and perhaps they are burning through the stock. That film is no slouch IMO. Found this thread on PNET---I did like seeing the scan of the Portra 400 VC---then remembered the new-new version has an edge print of VC-3. I still have a bunch of the VC-2. The turnover must be quite s-l-o-w. Mike http://photo.net/film-and-processing-forum/00R486 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 22:24:03 2008 Received: (qmail 8259 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 20:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 20:24:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AF1C2CE4; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:23:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:23:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED19C35A5 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:23:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.cbe.28206c7f (37142) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA034-911648f25cd4370; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:23:48 -0400 Received: from webmail-dd14 (webmail-dd14.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.14]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA014-5bad48f25ccd90; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:23:41 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 41: the sun is not always shining here Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:23:41 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.14) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:23:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAFABF8D569F66-10AC-5317@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 22:24:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f25ce3147451342116753 Thanks again Nathan. Perhaps there should be a BMI (body mass index) cutoff for allowing a two-piece suit. The cabbage gizmos remind me of my Grandmother's prakas (?sp) They were baked, however and had a tomato sauce. She was originally from somewhere near Vilna (Vilnius) I don't recall any Vodka accompaniment either. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 12 23:23:10 2008 Received: (qmail 3575 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2008 21:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 21:23:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089F5C332B; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:22:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:22:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.89]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B7897C32F0 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:22:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28590 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 21:22:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=c6K6I3lrHAJIU9Sq0IqSZmPgz7Xmq9FmiSLpbeO7AbOo1ESEsKZ0SAnzXjUsv/MafUq8OqJUksLnKO/4sN2z7wxJIsE+kY6A1tjuBuEvR9vqZI5bDV3eNfoOJOruFmVQbxAU2eK6fMPWkwoQlmfsMcDjXrwCwo8i6f+3oLDwzBs=; X-YMail-OSG: lxdItnQVM1mm6fUzkrkAE4LQiaWt.na6zMXLknNkV5e6HqN4yxLgv1cT6FfruLaJkg-- Received: from [86.163.213.24] by web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:22:57 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:22:57 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Book on the bay To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <7B97974F484C4577956F9C01B4765AC4@user4fec106f50> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <598239.28416.qm@web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: john.duggan10@btinternet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 12 23:23:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f26abe61301470116606 Is that author related to anyone we know (Moose?) Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK --- On Sun, 12/10/08, David W Bell wrote: > From: David W Bell > Subject: [OM] [OT] Book on the bay > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Sunday, 12 October, 2008, 7:41 PM > Of interest to anyone.. > > > > Item number: 260298424699 > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 03:00:19 2008 Received: (qmail 16100 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 01:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 01:00:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BFFC3165; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:00:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:00:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07C9C2B2C for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:00:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.c58.2fb5fb47 (37059) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB045-90c348f29d911b8; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:00:01 -0400 Received: from webmail-dd14 (webmail-dd14.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.14]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA025-5c4f48f29d873bb; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:59:51 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Book on the bay Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:59:51 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.14) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:59:51 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAFAE621EFF1DE-10AC-5C8D@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 03:00:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f29da3245469347015869 That is quite a talented Moose and developer of the "Moose filter." but not our even more perspicacious and list treasure, Moose. Mike Is that author related to anyone we know (Moose?) Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK --- On Sun, 12/10/08, David W Bell wrote: > From: David W Bell > Subject: [OM] [OT] Book on the bay > To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx > Date: Sunday, 12 October, 2008, 7:41 PM > Of interest to anyone.. > > > > Item number: 260298424699 > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 04:49:37 2008 Received: (qmail 16880 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 02:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 02:49:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD7FC3B85; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:49:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:49:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93003C3B59 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:49:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d5b.32744cac (41812) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:49:19 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:49:19 EDT Subject: [OM] Re: Obsession 617 - WAS: A new, cheap toy that's actually an Olympus! To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 04:49:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f2b741295131529615919 In a message dated 10/10/2008 5:15:03 PM Central Daylight Time, zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com writes: $900 w/lens!?! Does he actually make any money doing this? It does look like a very nice toy and he price seems very reasonable to me! Andrew Fildes wrote: > But which one? > As to the greatesterish landscape cam - my mate makes Linhof copies > and they're pretty damn good. He just made one for someone who wore > out a Technorama but kept the Super Angulon. > Neat camera. I've emailed him. I have a 617 back for my 4X5, however this looks like a great idea at a good price. Bill Barber **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 04:56:52 2008 Received: (qmail 5163 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 02:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 02:56:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FFDC308D; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:56:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:56:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B92C3305 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:56:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.cd6.3c53e400 (41812) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:56:36 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:56:36 EDT Subject: [OM] Re: There is now a wife! To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 04:56:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f2b8f4149982046811720 In a message dated 10/5/2008 11:16:12 PM Central Daylight Time, jmalmstrom@mac.com writes: Well, everything has it's time. Since 20:th September, Anna is now wife and I'm the husband. Congratulations! Bill BArber **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 07:52:11 2008 Received: (qmail 26525 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 05:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 05:52:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E34CC3E30; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:51:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:51:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C589FC39CE for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:50:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B533A1DB4B77 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:39:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mw7pN0nQ4uru for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B97D1DB4B62 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0CC20663-5F69-4E81-A9B8-B78547291630@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081013014036.C5D22C3073@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: ot.Diesel cars Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:39:08 -0700 References: <20081013014036.C5D22C3073@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 07:52:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f2e20b171721585427447 > From: JOHN DUGGAN > > In a few years time when it has lost 50%+ of its value it might > just be in my price league! You might want to check on the resale value of some older diesels before you make that assumption. They tend to hold their resale value MUCH better than gassers. A mid-80's diesel Volkswagen Jetta (for example) is worth more now than it was new. :::: Remember, it isn't paranoia if they're REALLY out to get 'cha. -- Frank Zappa :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 09:19:53 2008 Received: (qmail 20403 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 07:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 07:19:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA7CC32A1; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:19:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:19:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13CFC2EDD for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:19:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [195.40.43.130] (helo=exchange2003.Justis.co.uk) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1KpHiJ-0001to-00 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:19:35 +0100 Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus PM-6 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:18:43 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <125966.61790.qm@web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <125966.61790.qm@web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> From: "Alan Wood" To: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alan.wood@JUSTIS.COM Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 09:19:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f2f699183021234514069 John Duggan asked: > Has anyone got info on the Olympus PM-6 microscope cameras. There is one page on the PM-6-8 in "Olympus Photomicrographic Systems", available from the eSIF or from: -- Alan Wood http://www.alanwood.net (Unicode, special characters, pesticide names) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 11:00:24 2008 Received: (qmail 24401 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 09:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 09:00:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F51C334B; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:00:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:00:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956ADC3DF5 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:00:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so1618421wah.1 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:00:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=L5nYVaV/oHkcxAXp6hRh34FymTUduMVQQ250rafv5MA=; b=WArg0molsSkiVj7KZ+h7AfEKhxr4l6q3PNYRHLSOek3IwKeWd7ugO73gu8vlfz5J8F pFMau25FQAVV6b09J/q5x0DdR9iGf079gWdPJnEEmc7wC3qEPwM1rNhF2WnElnZ2YfKm AvefFNBtvJFRvsBCE+l+4BENw7OBHrDSadQXM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=oYS8f0kibnO/oyLizGeDni5ltGSbzwsnUYAOwEZnn6CgcVYjGpI3JK/9U/XISGnkeY Ux67A8EkLzjiYOikQn36p/cfZpO2YVS9UOWIn+GdiBlNiRaz8mAvvF+NyG7ecpBRhVPl p2IffnlIhgHiw2q53XBynwtW9mOJ9Gj8gotUU= Received: by 10.114.37.1 with SMTP id k1mr5004511wak.44.1223888409962; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:00:09 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Red-eye avoidance In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840808220608q2171c688pc78bcb15e241aa6c@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bb6492e79617f9c4 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 11:00:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f30e28277111234514069 Well the stage production I had to photograph was on Friday - I took your advice and went for available (stage) lighting. Quite happy with results (no noise reduction applied - that's my next foray into post-processing...) http://picasaweb.google.com/jez.cunningham/Nunsense Thanks for all the advice anyway! Jez On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > Or high ISO and no flash ;-) > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 11:08:28 2008 Received: (qmail 3597 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 09:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 09:08:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9C5C43DF; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:07:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:07:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-3.orange.nl (smtp-3.orange.nl [193.252.22.243]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623BBC2992 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:07:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6209.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4BD701C00084 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:07:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6209.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1AC361C00081 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:07:19 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081013090719109.1AC361C00081@mwinf6209.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Red-eye avoidance Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:07:14 +0200 Message-ID: <245D92C9DF9A4AAE89B4C3CA5611C036@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 11:08:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f3100c85351946193717 Great series Jez. Very dramatic expressions on many of the faces. Shows your timing is great! In most of the photos the available stage light works very well for me. Only on some there are some shadows that distract a little. All in all I would e very happy with an outcome like this. What body and ISO settings did you use? Did you also use a tri/monopod to avaoid camera shake? Congrats and thanks for sharing. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: jez.cunningham@gmail.com > [mailto:jez.cunningham@gmail.com] Namens Jez Cunningham > Verzonden: maandag 13 oktober 2008 11:00 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: Red-eye avoidance > > > > Well the stage production I had to photograph was on Friday - > I took your advice and went for available (stage) lighting. > Quite happy with results (no noise reduction applied - that's > my next foray into post-processing...) > http://picasaweb.google.com/jez.cunningham/Nunsense Thanks for all the advice anyway! Jez On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > Or high ISO and no flash ;-) > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 11:22:38 2008 Received: (qmail 22225 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 09:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 09:22:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472C6C4BFE; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:21:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:21:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63719C41D5 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:20:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0748C9639 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:37:49 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <86E4B9CA-B8FD-4787-AB48-96A9BE622075@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <0CC20663-5F69-4E81-A9B8-B78547291630@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: ot.Diesel cars Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:20:28 +0100 References: <20081013014036.C5D22C3073@ml.free.fr> <0CC20663-5F69-4E81-A9B8-B78547291630@Bytesmiths.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 11:22:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f3135d32551946193717 No, he's probably right about Saabs, Jan. They're not very good on resale, perhaps because they're GM now. Chris On 13 Oct 2008, at 06:39, Jan Steinman wrote: >> >> From: JOHN DUGGAN >> >> In a few years time when it has lost 50%+ of its value it might >> just be in my price league! > > You might want to check on the resale value of some older diesels > before you make that assumption. They tend to hold their resale value > MUCH better than gassers. A mid-80's diesel Volkswagen Jetta (for > example) is worth more now than it was new. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 11:28:17 2008 Received: (qmail 6049 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 09:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 09:28:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F872C48FE; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:27:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:27:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC54C2921 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:23:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCC9C96EA for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:40:52 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Red-eye avoidance Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:23:31 +0100 References: <9f07ac840808220608q2171c688pc78bcb15e241aa6c@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 11:28:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f314b1320721838542571 Very nice, Jez! About the only thing that spoils the photos (just slightly) is the little microphones (why do they need them now?) Chris On 13 Oct 2008, at 10:00, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > Well the stage production I had to photograph was on Friday - I took > your > advice and went for available (stage) lighting. Quite happy with > results > (no noise reduction applied - that's my next foray into post- > processing...) > > http://picasaweb.google.com/jez.cunningham/Nunsense > Thanks for all the advice anyway! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 12:06:33 2008 Received: (qmail 19065 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 10:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 10:06:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C03BC3C90; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:06:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:06:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-3.orange.nl (smtp-3.orange.nl [193.252.22.243]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F3BC3E6F for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:06:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6209.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 993E51C00086 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:06:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6209.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2FAB81C00084 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:06:08 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081013100608195.2FAB81C00084@mwinf6209.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] FS: Lots of OM stuff Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:06:03 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 12:06:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f31da960431073733319 Hello to all, Because I feel the itch for the E-3 more and more, I have decided to sell all remaining OM stuff and other film related photography materials. Offered to the list first, before auctioning on the bay. Below is a list of everything I have for sale. Everything is in working consition unless stated otherwise. Prices are Euros excluding shipping from the Netherlands. Prices may be firm, but I think they are reasonable. If you feel the price is too high feel free to make me an offer. I will consider them. All reactions will be handled on a first-come first-served basis. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Some Items I have already photographed, others I still have to do. If you want photo's, please let me know and I'll send them. If the back-foam on a body is deteriorated I will replace the foam with new (at my cost) before I send the body off to you. Offers on multiple items are much appreciated. If you want to offer for the whole lot a substantial rebate would be given. Please reply off-list Kind regards, Wiliam Item brand type cnd. remark Euro ; 1126 Olympus Mju zoom 105 8,0 with soft pouch 12,99 ; 1354 Olympus OM-1 6,5 New foam, 625 battery, booklet NL 17,99 ; 1348 Olympus OM-1 + 1.8/50mm 8,0 New foam, no batteries 29,99 ; 1409 Olympus OM-10 8,0 14,99 ; 1359 Olympus OM-2 + 1.8/50mm 7,0 with NL instructions 39,99 ; 1404 Olympus OM-2 + 1.8/50mm 8,0 #536170 39,99 ; 1432 Olympus OM-2 + 1.8/50mm 9,0 39,99 ; 1306 Olympus OM-2n 8,0 new foam 24,99 ; 1365 Olympus OM-2n 6,5 #898054 with instructions at a glance 29,99 ; 1389 Olympus OM-2n + 1.8/50mm 7,0 #694775, with original bodybox 44,99 ; 1417 Pentax Espio 738 8,0 38-70mm 1,99 ; 1288 Coslinar 28mm/2.8 8,0 with case and filter 4,99 ; 1437 generic lens hood 49mm for 50mm and up 8,0 1,99 ; 1368 generic rubber hood 49mm 8,0 1,99 ; 1400 generic rubber hood 49mm 8,0 1,99 ; 1366 Olympus 1.4/50mm 8,0 #1012064 34,99 ; 1332 Olympus 1.8/50mm 8,5 6,99 ; 1374 Olympus 135/2.8 8,5 with hard lens case 39,99 ; 1397 Olympus 135/3.5 8,0 with hard lens case and filter 14,99 ; 1412 Olympus 28/2.8 8,0 14,99 ; 1349 Olympus 3.5/135mm 8,5 case 13,99 ; 1355 Olympus 3.5/28mm 7,5 12,99 ; 1351 Panagor 2.5/28mm 8,5 case, hood, filter 9,99 ; 1399 Panagor 2x Teleconverter 8,0 with lens case 5,99 ; 1433 Panagor Macro tele converter 9,0 9,99 ; 1343 Sigma 2.8/28mm 8,5 with hood and case 6,99 ; 1398 Sigma 35-70mm/2.8-4 8,0 with hard lens case and filter 9,99 ; 1379 sigma 70-210/4.5 6,5 some fog inside, instructions 6,99 ; 1260 unknown hood 49mm 8,0 1,99 ; 1309 unknown hood 49mm 7,5 0,99 ; 1342 Vivitar 3.5/200mm 8,0 12,99 ; 1356 Vivitar 3.8/75-205mm 8,5 9,99 ; 1373 Olympus AC Adapter 2 8,5 RARE! 220V 29,99 ; 1424 Olympus AC Adapter 2 8,5 RARE! 220V 29,99 ; 1428 Olympus body cover 8,0 1,99 ; 1391 Olympus body cover (Rare, new in sealed bag) 9,0 2,99 ; 1337 Olympus Bounce grip 2 8,0 39,99 ; 1370 Olympus Bounce grip 2 8,0 with manuals 29,99 ; 1422 Olympus Bounce grip 2 7,0 slight corrosion, not on contacts 29,99 ; 1429 Olympus T-32 filters wide21, ND-4 and ND-8 9,0 in original etui, extremely rare 19,99 ; 1335 Olympus Shoe 2 9,0 12,99 ; 1361 Olympus shoe 2 6,0 small crack, 100% functional 5,99 ; 1322 Olympus Shoe 4 5,0 Cracked but functional 5,99 ; 1390 Olympus Shoe 4 5,0 Cracked but functional 5,99 ; 1376 Olympus shoe cover 8,5 1,99 ; 1434 Olympus T-11 ring flash, complete with controller 9,0 119,99 ; 1395 Olympus T32 5,5 body cracked but 100% functional 16,99 ; 1334 Olympus T-32 8,0 29,99 ; 1369 Olympus T-32 8,0 complete set of manuals 29,99 ; 1420 Olympus T-32 8,5 Dutch manual 29,99 ; 1336 Olympus TTL auto connector 3 9,5 Boxed 14,99 ; 1375 Olympus TTL Auto connector 4 9,5 LNIB 19,99 ; 1372 Olympus TTL auto cord T 0,3m 8,5 14,99 ; 1371 Olympus TTL auto cord T 5m 9,5 LNIB 24,99 ; 1425 Olympus TTL-Cable 0.3M 8,5 14,99 ; 1338 Olympus TTL-cable 0.6M 9,0 12,99 ; 1426 Olympus TTL-Cable 2M 8,5 19,99 ; 1423 Olympus Zoom Adapter T32 9,5 LNIB, Very Rare! 29,99 ; 1202 Generic color filter set 6,0 0,99 ; 1402 generic insulated X-contact shoe 8,0 1,99 ; 1401 generic x-cable 20cm 8,0 1,99 ; 1006 Generic x-flash cable 20cm 8,0 0,99 ; 1339 Nikon Speedlight SB-8E 8,0 GN 24 9,99 ; 1396 Philips 31CT 7,0 4,99 ; 1027 Philips P32GTC 6,0 2,99 ; 1031 Sylvania X-to-Cube flash contact 7,0 0,99 ; 1273 unknown x-sync multi-connector 8,0 0,99 ; 1026 Vivitar Vivitar 3200 6,0 1,99 ; 1360 Olympus Eyecup 1 8,0 6,99 ; 1362 Olympus Focussing screen 1-12 9,0 boxed 9,99 ; 1363 Olympus right angle finder 8,5 with hard case 34,99 ; 1340 unknown Eyecup 7,0 3,99 ; 1405 Olympus Winder 2 7,0 #509468 19,99 ; 1316 Copal Mini tripod 10cm 8,0 0,99 ; 1003 Generic cable release 20cm 8,0 0,99 ; 1380 Kaiser cable release 50cm 9,0 LNIB 3,99 ; 1387 Monaco Tripod lightweight 7,0 2,99 ; 1435 Olympus Databack 4 9,0 34,99 ; 1295 Olympus focussing screen 1-1 7,0 4,99 ; 1410 Olympus Manual adapter 7,0 6,99 ; 1407 Olympus Olympus OM-system Lens handbook 8,0 includes 2.0/250mm and 2.8/350mm 19,99 ; 1003 Generic lens case 6,5 0,99 ; 1418 generic Soft bag 6,0 1,99 ; 1205 Konica neck strap 8,0 0,99 ; 1352 Olympus 1.4N front/top part 8,0 Brown leatherette 3,99 ; 1411 Olympus hard case 1.4N 7,5 9,99 ; 1378 Olympus hard case front 4,5 0,99 ; 1394 Olympus hard leather case 7,5 9,99 ; 1413 Olympus lens pouch 100 7,0 4,99 ; 1421 Olympus lens pouch 150 6,0 1,99 ; 1327 Olympus Semi hard case 1.4N 7,5 7,99 ; 1333 Olympus Semi hard case 1.4N 8,5 Brown leatherette 14,99 ; 1377 Olympus soft pouch 150 6,0 3,99 ; 1341 Olympus soft pouch 150N 8,0 6,99 ; 1344 Olympus strap 8,0 1,99 ; 1393 Olympus wide neck strap 7,0 Embroided Olympus logo 2,99 ; 1346 Unknown Soft photo case 7,0 Blue 1,99 ; 1357 B+W 58ES KR1,5 1,1 8,0 1,99 ; 1436 B+W UV 49mm 9,0 with hard case 1,99 ; 1415 Cokin 084 star 8 6,0 0,99 ; 1382 Cokin A 61 spot incolor 2 8,0 1,99 ; 1381 Cokin Filter holder 49mm 7,5 with lens cover 1,99 ; 1414 Cokin Filter holder 49mm 6,0 0,99 ; 1384 Europa foto 1A skylight 49mm 9,0 LNIB 1,99 ; 1385 Europa foto 1A skylight 55mm 9,0 LNIB 1,99 ; 1386 Europa foto UV 55mm 8,0 no case 0,99 ; 1204 Izumar UV49mm 8,0 with case 0,99 ; 1345 Kenlock Close-up filters +3 8,0 with filter box 1,99 ; 1416 Marumi Pol 49mm 8,0 with box 2,99 ; 1392 Olympus skylight 1a, 49mm very thin 8,0 in plastic sleeve 1,99 ; 1001 Pallas YA2 49mm 8,5 with case 1,99 ; 1313 Prinz Close-up filters 1x, 2x, 4x 7,5 with hard box and extra 3,99 ; 1367 Prinz UV 49mm no case 0,99 ; 1383 Prinz UV 49mm 9,0 LNIB 1,99 ; 1034 Vivitar UV filter 58mm 7,0 no case 0,99 ; ----- ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 12:18:32 2008 Received: (qmail 4193 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 10:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 10:18:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220D4C284B; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:18:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:18:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-3.orange.nl (smtp-3.orange.nl [193.252.22.243]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC19EC38AD for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:18:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6209.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B29481C00085 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:18:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6209.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 17B781C00084 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:18:20 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081013101820972.17B781C00084@mwinf6209.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] FS: Lots of OM stuff (relist) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:18:15 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 12:18:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f32078254061234514069 Because the previuos mail was with a messedup list I will try to relist. Hello to all, Because I feel the itch for the E-3 more and more, I have decided to sell all remaining OM stuff and other film related photography materials. Offered to the list first, before auctioning on the bay. Below is a list of everything I have for sale. Everything is in working consition unless stated otherwise. Prices are Euros excluding shipping from the Netherlands. Prices may be firm, but I think they are reasonable. If you feel the price is too high feel free to make me an offer. I will consider them. All reactions will be handled on a first-come first-served basis. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Some Items I have already photographed, others I still have to do. If you want photo's, please let me know and I'll send them. If the back-foam on a body is deteriorated I will replace the foam with new (at my cost) before I send the body off to you. Offers on multiple items are much appreciated. If you want to offer for the whole lot a substantial rebate would be given. Please reply off-list Kind regards, Wiliam Item brand type cnd. remark Euro ; 1126 Olympus Mju zoom 105 8,0 with soft pouch 12,99 ; 1354 Olympus OM-1 6,5 New foam, 625 battery, booklet NL 17,99 ; 1348 Olympus OM-1 + 1.8/50mm 8,0 New foam, no batteries 29,99 ; 1409 Olympus OM-10 8,0 14,99 ; 1359 Olympus OM-2 + 1.8/50mm 7,0 with NL instructions 39,99 ; 1404 Olympus OM-2 + 1.8/50mm 8,0 #536170 39,99 ; 1432 Olympus OM-2 + 1.8/50mm 9,0 39,99 ; 1306 Olympus OM-2n 8,0 new foam 24,99 ; 1365 Olympus OM-2n 6,5 #898054 with instructions at a glance 29,99 ; 1389 Olympus OM-2n + 1.8/50mm 7,0 #694775, with original bodybox 44,99 ; 1417 Pentax Espio 738 8,0 38-70mm 1,99 ; 1288 Coslinar 28mm/2.8 8,0 with case and filter 4,99 ; 1437 generic lens hood 49mm for 50mm and up 8,0 1,99 ; 1368 generic rubber hood 49mm 8,0 1,99 ; 1400 generic rubber hood 49mm 8,0 1,99 ; 1366 Olympus 1.4/50mm 8,0 #1012064 34,99 ; 1332 Olympus 1.8/50mm 8,5 6,99 ; 1374 Olympus 135/2.8 8,5 with hard lens case 39,99 ; 1397 Olympus 135/3.5 8,0 with hard lens case and filter 14,99 ; 1412 Olympus 28/2.8 8,0 14,99 ; 1349 Olympus 3.5/135mm 8,5 case 13,99 ; 1355 Olympus 3.5/28mm 7,5 12,99 ; 1351 Panagor 2.5/28mm 8,5 case, hood, filter 9,99 ; 1399 Panagor 2x Teleconverter 8,0 with lens case 5,99 ; 1433 Panagor Macro tele converter 9,0 9,99 ; 1343 Sigma 2.8/28mm 8,5 with hood and case 6,99 ; 1398 Sigma 35-70mm/2.8-4 8,0 with hard lens case and filter 9,99 ; 1379 sigma 70-210/4.5 6,5 some fog inside, instructions 6,99 ; 1260 unknown hood 49mm 8,0 1,99 ; 1309 unknown hood 49mm 7,5 0,99 ; 1342 Vivitar 3.5/200mm 8,0 12,99 ; 1356 Vivitar 3.8/75-205mm 8,5 9,99 ; 1373 Olympus AC Adapter 2 8,5 RARE! 220V 29,99 ; 1424 Olympus AC Adapter 2 8,5 RARE! 220V 29,99 ; 1428 Olympus body cover 8,0 1,99 ; 1391 Olympus body cover (Rare, new in sealed bag) 9,0 2,99 ; 1337 Olympus Bounce grip 2 8,0 39,99 ; 1370 Olympus Bounce grip 2 8,0 with manuals 29,99 ; 1422 Olympus Bounce grip 2 7,0 slight corrosion, not on contacts 29,99 ; 1429 Olympus T-32 filters wide21, ND-4 and ND-8 9,0 in original etui, extremely rare 19,99 ; 1335 Olympus Shoe 2 9,0 12,99 ; 1361 Olympus shoe 2 6,0 small crack, 100% functional 5,99 ; 1322 Olympus Shoe 4 5,0 Cracked but functional 5,99 ; 1390 Olympus Shoe 4 5,0 Cracked but functional 5,99 ; 1376 Olympus shoe cover 8,5 1,99 ; 1434 Olympus T-11 ring flash, complete with controller 9,0 119,99 ; 1395 Olympus T32 5,5 body cracked but 100% functional 16,99 ; 1334 Olympus T-32 8,0 29,99 ; 1369 Olympus T-32 8,0 complete set of manuals 29,99 ; 1420 Olympus T-32 8,5 Dutch manual 29,99 ; 1336 Olympus TTL auto connector 3 9,5 Boxed 14,99 ; 1375 Olympus TTL Auto connector 4 9,5 LNIB 19,99 ; 1372 Olympus TTL auto cord T 0,3m 8,5 14,99 ; 1371 Olympus TTL auto cord T 5m 9,5 LNIB 24,99 ; 1425 Olympus TTL-Cable 0.3M 8,5 14,99 ; 1338 Olympus TTL-cable 0.6M 9,0 12,99 ; 1426 Olympus TTL-Cable 2M 8,5 19,99 ; 1423 Olympus Zoom Adapter T32 9,5 LNIB, Very Rare! 29,99 ; 1202 Generic color filter set 6,0 0,99 ; 1402 generic insulated X-contact shoe 8,0 1,99 ; 1401 generic x-cable 20cm 8,0 1,99 ; 1006 Generic x-flash cable 20cm 8,0 0,99 ; 1339 Nikon Speedlight SB-8E 8,0 GN 24 9,99 ; 1396 Philips 31CT 7,0 4,99 ; 1027 Philips P32GTC 6,0 2,99 ; 1031 Sylvania X-to-Cube flash contact 7,0 0,99 ; 1273 unknown x-sync multi-connector 8,0 0,99 ; 1026 Vivitar Vivitar 3200 6,0 1,99 ; 1360 Olympus Eyecup 1 8,0 6,99 ; 1362 Olympus Focussing screen 1-12 9,0 boxed 9,99 ; 1363 Olympus right angle finder 8,5 with hard case 34,99 ; 1340 unknown Eyecup 7,0 3,99 ; 1405 Olympus Winder 2 7,0 #509468 19,99 ; 1316 Copal Mini tripod 10cm 8,0 0,99 ; 1003 Generic cable release 20cm 8,0 0,99 ; 1380 Kaiser cable release 50cm 9,0 LNIB 3,99 ; 1387 Monaco Tripod lightweight 7,0 2,99 ; 1435 Olympus Databack 4 9,0 34,99 ; 1295 Olympus focussing screen 1-1 7,0 4,99 ; 1410 Olympus Manual adapter 7,0 6,99 ; 1407 Olympus Olympus OM-system Lens handbook 8,0 includes 2.0/250mm and 2.8/350mm 19,99 ; 1003 Generic lens case 6,5 0,99 ; 1418 generic Soft bag 6,0 1,99 ; 1205 Konica neck strap 8,0 0,99 ; 1352 Olympus 1.4N front/top part 8,0 Brown leatherette 3,99 ; 1411 Olympus hard case 1.4N 7,5 9,99 ; 1378 Olympus hard case front 4,5 0,99 ; 1394 Olympus hard leather case 7,5 9,99 ; 1413 Olympus lens pouch 100 7,0 4,99 ; 1421 Olympus lens pouch 150 6,0 1,99 ; 1327 Olympus Semi hard case 1.4N 7,5 7,99 ; 1333 Olympus Semi hard case 1.4N 8,5 Brown leatherette 14,99 ; 1377 Olympus soft pouch 150 6,0 3,99 ; 1341 Olympus soft pouch 150N 8,0 6,99 ; 1344 Olympus strap 8,0 1,99 ; 1393 Olympus wide neck strap 7,0 Embroided Olympus logo 2,99 ; 1346 Unknown Soft photo case 7,0 Blue 1,99 ; 1357 B+W 58ES KR1,5 1,1 8,0 1,99 ; 1436 B+W UV 49mm 9,0 with hard case 1,99 ; 1415 Cokin 084 star 8 6,0 0,99 ; 1382 Cokin A 61 spot incolor 2 8,0 1,99 ; 1381 Cokin Filter holder 49mm 7,5 with lens cover 1,99 ; 1414 Cokin Filter holder 49mm 6,0 0,99 ; 1384 Europa foto 1A skylight 49mm 9,0 LNIB 1,99 ; 1385 Europa foto 1A skylight 55mm 9,0 LNIB 1,99 ; 1386 Europa foto UV 55mm 8,0 no case 0,99 ; 1204 Izumar UV49mm 8,0 with case 0,99 ; 1345 Kenlock Close-up filters +3 8,0 with filter box 1,99 ; 1416 Marumi Pol 49mm 8,0 with box 2,99 ; 1392 Olympus skylight 1a, 49mm very thin 8,0 in plastic sleeve 1,99 ; 1001 Pallas YA2 49mm 8,5 with case 1,99 ; 1313 Prinz Close-up filters 1x, 2x, 4x 7,5 with hard box and extra 3,99 ; 1367 Prinz UV 49mm no case 0,99 ; 1383 Prinz UV 49mm 9,0 LNIB 1,99 ; 1034 Vivitar UV filter 58mm 7,0 no case 0,99 ; ----- ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 12:22:46 2008 Received: (qmail 18506 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 10:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 10:22:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53886C2937; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:22:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:22:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-3.orange.nl (smtp-3.orange.nl [193.252.22.243]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B54C2DB3 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:22:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6209.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CF4AA1C00085 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:22:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6209.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4CCAC1C00083 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:22:33 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081013102233314.4CCAC1C00083@mwinf6209.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] FS: Lots of OM stuff (relist AGAIN!) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:22:28 +0200 Message-ID: <59D4D112221649658B73A5E1D16E8CBC@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 12:22:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f32176302883675314703 Blast! This time I added forced line ends to all lines. Should work out. Because the previuos mail was with a messedup list I will try to relist. Sorry for the contamination. If this does not work out I will put the Excel sheet up on the web. Hello to all, Because I feel the itch for the E-3 more and more, I have decided to sell all remaining OM stuff and other film related photography materials. Offered to the list first, before auctioning on the bay. Below is a list of everything I have for sale. Everything is in working consition unless stated otherwise. Prices are Euros excluding shipping from the Netherlands. Prices may be firm, but I think they are reasonable. If you feel the price is too high feel free to make me an offer. I will consider them. All reactions will be handled on a first-come first-served basis. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Some Items I have already photographed, others I still have to do. If you want photo's, please let me know and I'll send them. If the back-foam on a body is deteriorated I will replace the foam with new (at my cost) before I send the body off to you. Offers on multiple items are much appreciated. If you want to offer for the whole lot a substantial rebate would be given. Please reply off-list Kind regards, Wiliam Item brand type cnd. remark Euro ; 1126 Olympus Mju zoom 105 8,0 with soft pouch 12,99 ; 1354 Olympus OM-1 6,5 New foam, 625 battery, booklet NL 17,99 ; 1348 Olympus OM-1 + 1.8/50mm 8,0 New foam, no batteries 29,99 ; 1409 Olympus OM-10 8,0 14,99 ; 1359 Olympus OM-2 + 1.8/50mm 7,0 with NL instructions 39,99 ; 1404 Olympus OM-2 + 1.8/50mm 8,0 #536170 39,99 ; 1432 Olympus OM-2 + 1.8/50mm 9,0 39,99 ; 1306 Olympus OM-2n 8,0 new foam 24,99 ; 1365 Olympus OM-2n 6,5 #898054 with instructions at a glance 29,99 ; 1389 Olympus OM-2n + 1.8/50mm 7,0 #694775, with original bodybox 44,99 ; 1417 Pentax Espio 738 8,0 38-70mm 1,99 ; 1288 Coslinar 28mm/2.8 8,0 with case and filter 4,99 ; 1437 generic lens hood 49mm for 50mm and up 8,0 1,99 ; 1368 generic rubber hood 49mm 8,0 1,99 ; 1400 generic rubber hood 49mm 8,0 1,99 ; 1366 Olympus 1.4/50mm 8,0 #1012064 34,99 ; 1332 Olympus 1.8/50mm 8,5 6,99 ; 1374 Olympus 135/2.8 8,5 with hard lens case 39,99 ; 1397 Olympus 135/3.5 8,0 with hard lens case and filter 14,99 ; 1412 Olympus 28/2.8 8,0 14,99 ; 1349 Olympus 3.5/135mm 8,5 case 13,99 ; 1355 Olympus 3.5/28mm 7,5 12,99 ; 1351 Panagor 2.5/28mm 8,5 case, hood, filter 9,99 ; 1399 Panagor 2x Teleconverter 8,0 with lens case 5,99 ; 1433 Panagor Macro tele converter 9,0 9,99 ; 1343 Sigma 2.8/28mm 8,5 with hood and case 6,99 ; 1398 Sigma 35-70mm/2.8-4 8,0 with hard lens case and filter 9,99 ; 1379 sigma 70-210/4.5 6,5 some fog inside, instructions 6,99 ; 1260 unknown hood 49mm 8,0 1,99 ; 1309 unknown hood 49mm 7,5 0,99 ; 1342 Vivitar 3.5/200mm 8,0 12,99 ; 1356 Vivitar 3.8/75-205mm 8,5 9,99 ; 1373 Olympus AC Adapter 2 8,5 RARE! 220V 29,99 ; 1424 Olympus AC Adapter 2 8,5 RARE! 220V 29,99 ; 1428 Olympus body cover 8,0 1,99 ; 1391 Olympus body cover (Rare, new in sealed bag) 9,0 2,99 ; 1337 Olympus Bounce grip 2 8,0 39,99 ; 1370 Olympus Bounce grip 2 8,0 with manuals 29,99 ; 1422 Olympus Bounce grip 2 7,0 slight corrosion, not on contacts 29,99 ; 1429 Olympus T-32 filters wide21, ND-4 and ND-8 9,0 in original etui, extremely rare 19,99 ; 1335 Olympus Shoe 2 9,0 12,99 ; 1361 Olympus shoe 2 6,0 small crack, 100% functional 5,99 ; 1322 Olympus Shoe 4 5,0 Cracked but functional 5,99 ; 1390 Olympus Shoe 4 5,0 Cracked but functional 5,99 ; 1376 Olympus shoe cover 8,5 1,99 ; 1434 Olympus T-11 ring flash, complete with controller 9,0 119,99 ; 1395 Olympus T32 5,5 body cracked but 100% functional 16,99 ; 1334 Olympus T-32 8,0 29,99 ; 1369 Olympus T-32 8,0 complete set of manuals 29,99 ; 1420 Olympus T-32 8,5 Dutch manual 29,99 ; 1336 Olympus TTL auto connector 3 9,5 Boxed 14,99 ; 1375 Olympus TTL Auto connector 4 9,5 LNIB 19,99 ; 1372 Olympus TTL auto cord T 0,3m 8,5 14,99 ; 1371 Olympus TTL auto cord T 5m 9,5 LNIB 24,99 ; 1425 Olympus TTL-Cable 0.3M 8,5 14,99 ; 1338 Olympus TTL-cable 0.6M 9,0 12,99 ; 1426 Olympus TTL-Cable 2M 8,5 19,99 ; 1423 Olympus Zoom Adapter T32 9,5 LNIB, Very Rare! 29,99 ; 1202 Generic color filter set 6,0 0,99 ; 1402 generic insulated X-contact shoe 8,0 1,99 ; 1401 generic x-cable 20cm 8,0 1,99 ; 1006 Generic x-flash cable 20cm 8,0 0,99 ; 1339 Nikon Speedlight SB-8E 8,0 GN 24 9,99 ; 1396 Philips 31CT 7,0 4,99 ; 1027 Philips P32GTC 6,0 2,99 ; 1031 Sylvania X-to-Cube flash contact 7,0 0,99 ; 1273 unknown x-sync multi-connector 8,0 0,99 ; 1026 Vivitar Vivitar 3200 6,0 1,99 ; 1360 Olympus Eyecup 1 8,0 6,99 ; 1362 Olympus Focussing screen 1-12 9,0 boxed 9,99 ; 1363 Olympus right angle finder 8,5 with hard case 34,99 ; 1340 unknown Eyecup 7,0 3,99 ; 1405 Olympus Winder 2 7,0 #509468 19,99 ; 1316 Copal Mini tripod 10cm 8,0 0,99 ; 1003 Generic cable release 20cm 8,0 0,99 ; 1380 Kaiser cable release 50cm 9,0 LNIB 3,99 ; 1387 Monaco Tripod lightweight 7,0 2,99 ; 1435 Olympus Databack 4 9,0 34,99 ; 1295 Olympus focussing screen 1-1 7,0 4,99 ; 1410 Olympus Manual adapter 7,0 6,99 ; 1407 Olympus Olympus OM-system Lens handbook 8,0 includes 2.0/250mm and 2.8/350mm 19,99 ; 1003 Generic lens case 6,5 0,99 ; 1418 generic Soft bag 6,0 1,99 ; 1205 Konica neck strap 8,0 0,99 ; 1352 Olympus 1.4N front/top part 8,0 Brown leatherette 3,99 ; 1411 Olympus hard case 1.4N 7,5 9,99 ; 1378 Olympus hard case front 4,5 0,99 ; 1394 Olympus hard leather case 7,5 9,99 ; 1413 Olympus lens pouch 100 7,0 4,99 ; 1421 Olympus lens pouch 150 6,0 1,99 ; 1327 Olympus Semi hard case 1.4N 7,5 7,99 ; 1333 Olympus Semi hard case 1.4N 8,5 Brown leatherette 14,99 ; 1377 Olympus soft pouch 150 6,0 3,99 ; 1341 Olympus soft pouch 150N 8,0 6,99 ; 1344 Olympus strap 8,0 1,99 ; 1393 Olympus wide neck strap 7,0 Embroided Olympus logo 2,99 ; 1346 Unknown Soft photo case 7,0 Blue 1,99 ; 1357 B+W 58ES KR1,5 1,1 8,0 1,99 ; 1436 B+W UV 49mm 9,0 with hard case 1,99 ; 1415 Cokin 084 star 8 6,0 0,99 ; 1382 Cokin A 61 spot incolor 2 8,0 1,99 ; 1381 Cokin Filter holder 49mm 7,5 with lens cover 1,99 ; 1414 Cokin Filter holder 49mm 6,0 0,99 ; 1384 Europa foto 1A skylight 49mm 9,0 LNIB 1,99 ; 1385 Europa foto 1A skylight 55mm 9,0 LNIB 1,99 ; 1386 Europa foto UV 55mm 8,0 no case 0,99 ; 1204 Izumar UV49mm 8,0 with case 0,99 ; 1345 Kenlock Close-up filters +3 8,0 with filter box 1,99 ; 1416 Marumi Pol 49mm 8,0 with box 2,99 ; 1392 Olympus skylight 1a, 49mm very thin 8,0 in plastic sleeve 1,99 ; 1001 Pallas YA2 49mm 8,5 with case 1,99 ; 1313 Prinz Close-up filters 1x, 2x, 4x 7,5 with hard box and extra 3,99 ; 1367 Prinz UV 49mm no case 0,99 ; 1383 Prinz UV 49mm 9,0 LNIB 1,99 ; 1034 Vivitar UV filter 58mm 7,0 no case 0,99 ; ----- ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 12:22:59 2008 Received: (qmail 10621 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 10:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 10:22:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C78C2CCA; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:22:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:22:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC96C2C45 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:22:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KpKZX-00046Y-Q9 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:22:43 +0100 Received: from [77.99.183.220] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KpKZX-0002Wc-Df for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:22:43 +0100 Message-Id: From: James R To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <86E4B9CA-B8FD-4787-AB48-96A9BE622075@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: ot.Diesel cars Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:22:42 +0100 References: <20081013014036.C5D22C3073@ml.free.fr> <0CC20663-5F69-4E81-A9B8-B78547291630@Bytesmiths.com> <86E4B9CA-B8FD-4787-AB48-96A9BE622075@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: londonjames@mailcan.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 12:22:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f32183318121591313764 It depends on when you buy them in their life-cyle. I owned one for a year and lost £50 on it (plus one windscreen wiper replaced), and that was becuase I thought it better to take the cash offered rather than wait for the banks to open the next day so the full price could be paid. I wish all my purchase decisions could be made that wisely... James On 13 Oct 2008, at 10:20, Chris Barker wrote: > > No, he's probably right about Saabs, Jan. They're not very good on > resale, perhaps because they're GM now. > > Chris ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 12:39:04 2008 Received: (qmail 14010 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 10:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 10:39:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F46C4197; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:38:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:38:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from postin.uv.es (postin.uv.es [147.156.1.90]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38F9C42E1 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:36:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from post.uv.es (cuervo.ci.uv.es [147.156.1.157]) by postin.uv.es (8.13.5.20060308/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m9DAZxT6006804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:36:00 +0200 Received: from strogoff1.uv.es (strogoff.ci.uv.es [147.156.1.92]) (authenticated bits=0) by post.uv.es (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m9DAZw39006575 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:35:59 +0200 From: "Victor Estelles" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: FS: Lots of OM stuff (relist) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:35:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Real-Sender: vestelle@uv.es X-True-IP: 192.171.162.236 X-Postman-SMTP-Auth: 1,1 X-Mailer: postman 2.1 References: In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <7143895142vestelle@uv.es> X-RelayDelay-Mem: Whitelisted relay cuervo.ci.uv.es [147.156.1.157]. Not delayed X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Victor.Estelles@uv.es Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 12:39:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f32548218521234514069 Dear Wiliam, it is an amaizing list of OM items! I'm interested on the following items: > 1348 Olympus OM-1 + 1.8/50mm 8,0 New foam, no batteries 29,99 ; > 1374 Olympus 135/2.8 8,5 with hard lens case 39,99 ; > 1391 Olympus body cover (Rare, new in sealed bag) 9,0 2,99 ; > 1362 Olympus Focussing screen 1-12 9,0 boxed 9,99 ; Could you send me the photos from the OM1 and the 135 lens? What are the condition of both items? Thak you very much! Victor ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 13:15:23 2008 Received: (qmail 9604 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 11:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 11:15:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA40CC3A9B; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:15:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:15:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8F9C2AAD for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:15:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so1660956wah.1 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:15:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=5/51qrKiYjv1Su1JMo7LcEafQ68aRky5FN0b4reT2Fk=; b=arE96Ku5Fz1VkTzukKMOwytq6zkxoqAfCD20Yr2wbJFaqf10lCIGrdzSVN0IqDN7/Y udL48BViuHvK/3R8g8JDLQDJk8RWzbNIRJcZpIz2tCvC+p64I3T0KDTpBx09yNSFXYM/ 0ZluEcPYggopkVATWNg5a6mEYEHSFjc6Xzuwk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=STiwaq03Bu/w/saUmvXhvcBL+KvJwyAwhPiwiEnT/UhPXeoLT+WTu9eoj8B+gMJqGs xuGRaP+uEcLIVnb+AyyKv+2pPuWTsPdn2Tkucm+m6bWwTMwKcaZe++xaEPjQVYyaUlBF fbtqhH3ADgWJpkC+nWyVF5q93CS2/8JUIB9g0= Received: by 10.115.79.8 with SMTP id g8mr5048108wal.215.1223896500603; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810130415q1d1bb27fu12ba9999492a5e49@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:15:00 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Red-eye avoidance In-Reply-To: <245D92C9DF9A4AAE89B4C3CA5611C036@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> <245D92C9DF9A4AAE89B4C3CA5611C036@Breedbeeld> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a515b05088112bae X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 13:15:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f32dcb241961591313764 Thanks. Sorry I'm off topic but it wasn't Oly but a N*k*n D70 at ISO 400, 80-200 f2.8 zoom (a few with 18-70 f3.5/4.5) and monopod. Yup, overall I'm happy - and from first feedback it seems the performers were too. Jez On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > > Great series Jez. Very dramatic expressions on many of the faces. Shows > your timing is great! In most of the photos the available stage light > works very well for me. Only on some there are some shadows that > distract a little. All in all I would e very happy with an outcome like > this. What body and ISO settings did you use? Did you also use a > tri/monopod to avaoid camera shake? > > Congrats and thanks for sharing. > Wiliam > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: jez.cunningham@gmail.com > > [mailto:jez.cunningham@gmail.com] Namens Jez Cunningham > > Verzonden: maandag 13 oktober 2008 11:00 > > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: Red-eye avoidance > > > > > > > > Well the stage production I had to photograph was on Friday - > > I took your advice and went for available (stage) lighting. > > Quite happy with results (no noise reduction applied - that's > > my next foray into post-processing...) > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/jez.cunningham/Nunsense > Thanks for all the advice anyway! > Jez > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Nathan Wajsman > wrote: > > > > > Or high ISO and no flash ;-) > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 13:16:29 2008 Received: (qmail 27617 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 11:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 11:16:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADAA3C2C72; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:16:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:16:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FCAC3F19 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:16:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so1661328wah.1 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:16:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=NyqwKRgCUng+0/jWRIMp/cWcBBI9/B/tvelW7uHsDjQ=; b=Qu9+B6izZj2PRJjOxM/iA9d9mt6oVwq5bEY7axWf99zAMEQ/7eL6w6BGtwS54U5GMX 8Vfdo+lKZUpkHmh6D6XGM47C996VCdxJOocUrzCXrI39RhbVah9x2yynmV0LaH8V36kk O0w44PrqB8+VYvVbVopxtAxR8MImRBlV2SmyU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=I96ge+SSMQkYi+CxdafuOODvMqI8aQIvuF1BIHSbSEHCOjjbdiBSjj3Q6Ciazys5+b /cxDgbSeFRlpj/hvg4Ia9qoVGD7ycARHVip8l1By+kJMeZ4EJzU8wMMQFj+s5DoEDmxA Yrc4bZmJcqHSE3wG+nuCzGzXPk2N21UFWf9bU= Received: by 10.114.145.1 with SMTP id s1mr5106361wad.15.1223896572784; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810130416n10a7f0fcocc565dfbbb7cce82@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:16:12 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Red-eye avoidance In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840808220608q2171c688pc78bcb15e241aa6c@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d51bef9cedf51a42 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 13:16:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f32e0d140401744846740 Thanks. Why the mikes - dunno... I did the photos not the sound :-) br jez On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > > Very nice, Jez! About the only thing that spoils the photos (just > slightly) is the little microphones (why do they need them now?) > > Chris > > On 13 Oct 2008, at 10:00, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > > > > Well the stage production I had to photograph was on Friday - I took > > your > > advice and went for available (stage) lighting. Quite happy with > > results > > (no noise reduction applied - that's my next foray into post- > > processing...) > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/jez.cunningham/Nunsense > > Thanks for all the advice anyway! > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 14:14:20 2008 Received: (qmail 17448 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 12:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 12:14:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E95BC2DD2; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:14:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:14:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA107C28D6 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:14:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.191]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8O006D6FBG02C1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:14:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:14:12 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Once in a while, you're in the right place at the right time... In-reply-to: <48EF66FB.1070709@ctgonline.org> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48F33B94.1010705@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48EE5DF5.5020003@ctgonline.org> <48EF5040.7080806@verizon.net> <48EF66FB.1070709@ctgonline.org> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 14:14:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f33b9c120621234514069 That is great! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Paul Braun wrote: > John Hermanson wrote: >> You are so lucky. Sure, ask him to sign it, he may feel honored to be >> asked. You don't get many chances like that. >> > Well, I brought the cd. > > I was standing backstage watching the show when Henry walked up looking > for someone. I introduced myself to him -- he had that look like maybe > I was mistaking him for someone famous. > > Then I said, "Mr. Dilts, it's really a thrill to meet you. I dabble in > photography myself, and I've admired your work over the years." Then he > realized I actually knew who he was. > > Very humble, unassuming, friendly old hippie. > > Then he thanked me and started to leave, and I asked if he'd be willing > to sign one of his photos. He looked surprised when I pulled out my cd > of the Eagles' "Desperado". > > "You just happened to have that with you?" > > "Well, I knew that I might meet you tonight, so I brought it > specifically for that." > > He was happy to sign it for me. And then he pulled out his little > digicam and asked if he could take shot of me holding the cd. > > So I can now say that I've been photographed by Henry Diltz. How cool > is that? > > I just wish I could afford one of his actual prints. But most of the > ones I saw were in the $1200 and up range. Oh, well. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 15:57:55 2008 Received: (qmail 2744 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 13:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 13:57:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A51C4656; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:57:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:57:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C044C48DF for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:53:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <31077518.24361223906474824.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 914; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:01:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OM] Re: [Leica] Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: a question for you birders From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr Cc: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Picture a Day discussion group In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Solms TCD Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:53:21 +0200 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 15:57:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f353e3287601744846740 This may be a bit late, but it is definitely a Hoopoe ("hoo-poo") indeed. They are quite common here in Johannesburg (South Africa), and are even used for example in the University of Johannesburg's (UJ) logo. The crest on the head is beautiful when fully opened when they are excited or alerted (in a similar way to how a Kakapo's crest opens up): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Upupa_epops_1_Luc_Viatour.jpg They nest in a hole in a tree stump, or often even in the ground - their nests smell incredibly foul to warn off predators. Their flight is quite unique, erratic and slow, like a big butterfly. Anyway, I am not a birder at all, just wanted to chime in to say we see these guys here all the time. On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 20:17 +0200, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Thanks to everyone for looking and identifying. The most prevalent and > authoritative answer is HOOPOE (no idea how to pronounce it, the > Danish name from Mads is much easier). The other reasonable answer was > a woodpecker on LSD. > > The wealth of knowledge here is astounding. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:53 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > > I am not much of a bird photographer, but once in a while a bird > > catches my eye, like this one: > > > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#390628058_FQZRi-O-LB > > > > Does anyone know what species this is? > > > > Nathan > > > > Nathan Wajsman > > Alicante, Spain > > http://www.frozenlight.eu > > http://www.greatpix.eu > > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 16:13:55 2008 Received: (qmail 9299 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 14:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 14:13:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476E3C459B; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:13:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:13:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A2AC56AB for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:11:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so3340028gxk.17 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:11:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=igOVBBMH6wJV2LdZ1xKwzIHd/duzvsXq+HB8Q4rcCow=; b=lnZJjpnvGkZPEa+tlsRMm47yMPolIa8JfOvwVc7j+KTyw3VYW5xowq2LMcncKqPCT9 FN8zi7zvCu6Bqbr42oND1BUwFd1B6KT7PFAzOL0eoKgTgCtVlfQ4hvptUBvNGf9yqnxF OTgMO4NY60nvXUAAImTjmrcK8Fw6JWxFmfR4w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=XE6IV2/NNFGQdbIub0+qBCH3d5ozU/sv6iS59MjT7nWQy5eD+T2relBAUBOLWKlZfS FXFtr9s8jTPCjorDtHfYurtMrdB1DBx+ySHgwUaKSCtZXPMHByma9HUV3fRs0E0kp/qU N5is1Jyg+TYnOt4Nl9Gy0nd/xyOATigT3k900= Received: by 10.90.103.13 with SMTP id a13mr4764871agc.69.1223907076877; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:11:16 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Film update In-Reply-To: <8CAFABD81EBF376-10AC-52AB@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CAFABD81EBF376-10AC-52AB@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0de0d88c9ebc8d1f X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 16:13:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f357a366271869477228 Yes, the Portra turnover is horribly slow. However, the older formulations are now getting pretty close to expiration date. I think Kodak made a mistake in over-producing the previous emulsions and got caught with an 18 month surplus in the supply-chain. This is most unfortunate, because the new formulation is a serious contender in the film vs digital battle. The return of Ektar is an exciting development. It was a horribly sad day when Kodak discontinued them the first time through. I shot a lot of Ektar 25 and Ektar 1000. Ektar 1000 was the best high-speed film I've ever used--period. It buggered up reds a little bit as the yellow/orange componant was too weak, but it was awesome stuff. Right now, for film I'm shooting Ilford PanF, Delta400 and Portra 160NC. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 16:51:31 2008 Received: (qmail 15361 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 14:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 14:51:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C067C45BE; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:51:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:51:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812D5C55F8 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:26:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so1720223wah.1 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:26:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=uKjFjj2IfmMGyAMgF28jlI/DlzPLtIqdmzxVG3Ss2vk=; b=rZUYxHGKvKG4iuWOhTbRE5bg4t4P6P3jOSfZbRvcQ2B8Q4tBSkZmaea4ojWiCqFBo2 BPyze04CZWqD0VcnmF+yj0XI4q+qqkn2dWWTr13aj+RkAAN/3a0ANlanfebtgOTBOb1G NUwFJHo71ZkzqvDpu5be07MY1Vno2C3qfYa/M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=wlWGqkMfgqUJQgPH7hiHJTMEp+Ku3X7+52sY3bRX9TeqleooiKxDWWgJpPnZoX9xyY 25I+m42EanDN1k/omOdKq+mJ6cRXOFMAmvIwzRyCHbdrmP6C+ZSvgUabbJiVTAGbfGls XzrEl1wEQT0XwQvI+Z5pMgxzpibwIj5/7aRWY= Received: by 10.114.94.12 with SMTP id r12mr5312570wab.122.1223907979696; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810130726m4394a715k5dc4b584a25893b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:26:19 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: start of a website is up... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1a6c69dd10bf6908 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 16:51:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f36073120002336821329 And Incinerate, Buttery, Winkle, Wijzen ? On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:09 PM, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > The three left squares are presenting her graphic > work, the right one is a subtle try to start doing something productive > with > photography for me. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 17:00:18 2008 Received: (qmail 26855 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 15:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 15:00:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD246C5A7F; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:00:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:00:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA92C5D02 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:31:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <27362520.24381223908753443.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 64 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:39:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OM] Off topic: Another brush with South African crime From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Solms TCD Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:31:20 +0200 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 17:00:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f36282177157927319144 Hi Guys, This is very off-topic, but I just wanted to give you a bit of insight to our life here in Johannesburg, South Africa. On Saturday morning at 03:00, whilst my fiancee and I were asleep, we awoke to an ungodly loud crash as our glass sliding door in the room next to our bedroom was smashed. Two black men entered and made their way to our bedroom. It was the most frightful, awful few seconds as I was realising this happened while trying to wake up. Luckily, I could close our door in time, but it did not have a key, so we had to hold the door closed with our hands. We remained quiet / calm (well, on the outside, in anyway) amidst the threats (they wanted to have the door opened, which usually results in rape and death around here) and with us not giving way, were expecting bullets to fly through the door (and us) at any moment. For the second time, but somehow more acutely this time (compared to when we were hijacked in 2005 with two guns against our heads), I had to make peace with the fact that we will most likely die. This is not a good thing to truly, really experience. Don't think they kill swiftly here without at least raping the woman and torturing the men. I think our quiet insistence made them unsure of what to expect when they open the door, and ultimately made them less insistent to enter. For a while, my fiancee held the door on her own while I found and loaded my (inherited) single-shot shotgun, which I would have had to use if they did enter, but which would have been a very big problem since there were more than one of them, and I had one shot at a time. I am glad it never came to that, and ultimately they left, but not before taking what they pleased from my house, most expensive of which were two Apple Powerbook 17" computers. I cannot explain the gut-wrenching fear we experienced as two helpless people trapped in their bedroom with violent barbarians literally pushing against our body strength to come in and have their way with us. People see things like these in the movies, and they think they will be rambo, but wait until you are in such a situation. I am shocked anew at the complete disregard here for life and property in the South African (and, very often, the rest of African) culture. This is not a racist statement, it is a statistical observation based on me being subjected to at least eight acts of crime in the past seven years. There is no attempt at subtlety, they break in and break and do as they wish - as if it is their right to do so. The continuing violent crime against the white minority here is tantamount to genocide, it seems to be getting worse and worse. Some say this is society is now the product of the Apartheid-era undoings, but as a young white South Africa who had absolutely nothing to do with that, I am still subjected to this barbarism. You face an enemy who does not reason, does not feel, and has nothing to lose - an animal. To give you context, we live in a town-house complex with electrical fencing around, and guards who patrol every hour. Yet, they directly and easily came to us in this way. And we are just average people, and people on average die when this happens - and it happens daily. Anyway, I know there aren't any other South African members on this list, but wherever you are, I would not wish this experience upon my worst enemy. If you live in the sort of place where you don't need to create a prison for yourself, please go out and have a safe, incident-free evening walk for us over here... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 17:15:26 2008 Received: (qmail 9632 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 15:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 15:15:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD158C2CC9; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:15:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:15:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB3BC5FF8 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:05:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so1733838wah.1 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:05:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=9vMNSpEtUAVE5y1mHTPcPUgF7sv3zbyDVqwbirBAV6Q=; b=BiIFVFeFooaC+jVVU9cM8JZZkHHjPEOeR4VwWwk/6Rg0F9rPvTlEkPikR0yR+E48Ho MVW/hVGl3phouCyWaXIhDYz15iXrvU+3vocJ/+W3pA1s5BqgASq5bgxuU4ytf65ukDmX jZ249yHZrr6RXtO1XXXdZ8L6IQ1v+oXDBUcZw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=plCtdkhA6KikJP24Mbt1OLPv4R38HAnRaQIuuDAXSe02tWf1SrcuKAOWdm+hyOYYlO x9wBqtFPYvlpbsVWvYSiN9uu1+Y0+lE64yVw0FVcs14whv30i+tGgIE6Tbj3u5relN6+ 9zlElmp5YQGxotQENiVsaRCDvmHaqZeq5R2tc= Received: by 10.114.147.7 with SMTP id u7mr5359530wad.145.1223910341837; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810130805g25ffc3c7v1948cae179b82558@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:05:41 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 05/10/2008: small-town Spanish life In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3C087681-BE17-4DEC-9D84-DC1EBDF4D233@people.net.au> <90CF2B22-7CFA-445B-B01A-BBF16A0F7377@frozenlight.eu> <209926C0-32AC-4767-98D8-F3D92C14BEFD@frozenlight.eu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: aa21c7832a4f6ecd X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 17:15:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f3660e187291529615919 Probably true. Having been raised in close proximity to Selhurst Park and (mis)spent a lot of my youth at the Holmesdale End, this Palace supporter saw the light and switched to support real (Rugby) Football in Bath... Jez On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Betrayed by your last sentence. > And Palace supporters have no friends and...no hope. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 17:15:57 2008 Received: (qmail 17666 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 15:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 15:15:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B42DC2BD7; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:15:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:15:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E893CC38E9 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:05:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1663415wfd.5 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:05:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=q65hxJXr0FuYvBYfJ5cvgJ1oyr6gPhUgTiCqk6TcFgQ=; b=kKnvY+xiwtIv+oZjDAaDquGXcQ++jFmpcdBaWtMPTkFeycW1lHUYTlTJTRuQ0JTO7W 2jmiekesbOdj1J6vOy1NcKQv2JqWhxeMR4BM4NHwOh8Lj2wwBwHEG8fUX8QDwION9w2/ s2nKQnx/DBJ6cm281Bg6tLS5WqIe484UPjSz0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=v2EkP3y2jY+aLBpIU8B0db1vf6g4tAxIY7LzO1JhF2WnzwEqCysrQxmww0gaxXni9u wtxlPoij02ba9cyRbnllSpTfvWe4ec6s223ep1prSaVy1xAbhX555YcfVidDkvKDiXb4 l4XFAJ1/z1+iz4gEZxuTnG50nAC+1cwawRyss= Received: by 10.141.177.2 with SMTP id e2mr3795547rvp.268.1223910344988; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.204.2 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:05:44 +0200 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: start of a website is up... In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840810130726m4394a715k5dc4b584a25893b0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840810130726m4394a715k5dc4b584a25893b0@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikooh@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 17:15:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f3662d117491035110158 hello Jez, well, that's an anagram of our last names and first names combined: tinne luyten & iwert bernakiewicz,but it stands for the occasional flash of maddness in the household :) thanks for looking @ www.intertwine.be Iwert 2008/10/13 Jez Cunningham And Incinerate, Buttery, Winkle, Wizen ? > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 17:16:23 2008 Received: (qmail 11938 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 15:16:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 15:16:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3CDC4178; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:16:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:16:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78497C3ED6 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:10:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDC546159F for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:25:53 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <884FB75A-B444-45A7-9A58-AB364D5D3679@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: start of a website is up... Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:10:29 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 17:16:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f36647168197927319144 Well done, Iwert. I maintain 4 websites, but mine is nowhere near up to date ... The yellow-green colours in the photo section don't really suit my taste, but the overall design works fine. By the way, 2 of the photos are the same. Chris On 6 Oct 2008, at 11:09, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > hello all, > at www.intertwine.be there is the beginning of a website for me and my > partner in life tinne.The three left squares are presenting her > graphic > work, the right one is a subtle try to start doing something > productive with > photography for me. > It is only the very start, no captions yet and I'll have to do a > course to > mak the content more to my likings :) > > anyway, after 6 years of a domain name, now there is at least a bit > content! > > Iwert > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 17:16:42 2008 Received: (qmail 1049 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 15:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 15:16:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B71DC46DE; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:16:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:16:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5536DC3F1A for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F6D4615F9 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:31:13 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <27362520.24381223908753443.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:15:49 +0100 References: <27362520.24381223908753443.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 17:16:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f3665a289721499373980 I'm really sorry to hear of your experience Dawid, but I'm glad that you and your fiancée emerged unscathed. Is it possible that the guards were in on it? In my youth I had a friend from Durban; in our many discussions about Apartheid and its aftermath, we both agreed that things might not be very pleasant afterwards. In the event, the transition was far more peaceful that I imagined it would be, but your (and many others') experience is most unpleasant. Chris On 13 Oct 2008, at 15:31, Dawid Loubser wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > This is very off-topic, but I just wanted to give you a bit of insight > to our life here in Johannesburg, South Africa. On Saturday morning at > 03:00, whilst my fiancee and I were asleep, we awoke to an ungodly > loud > crash as our glass sliding door in the room next to our bedroom was > smashed. > > snip > > The continuing violent crime against the white minority here is > tantamount to genocide, it seems to be getting worse and worse. Some > say > this is society is now the product of the Apartheid-era undoings, > but as > a young white South Africa who had absolutely nothing to do with > that, I > am still subjected to this barbarism. You face an enemy who does not > reason, does not feel, and has nothing to lose - an animal. > > To give you context, we live in a town-house complex with electrical > fencing around, and guards who patrol every hour. Yet, they directly > and > easily came to us in this way. And we are just average people, and > people on average die when this happens - and it happens daily. > > Anyway, I know there aren't any other South African members on this > list, but wherever you are, I would not wish this experience upon my > worst enemy. If you live in the sort of place where you don't need to > create a prison for yourself, please go out and have a safe, > incident-free evening walk for us over here... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 17:19:30 2008 Received: (qmail 2852 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 15:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 15:19:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C35C36FA; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:19:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:19:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17376C44AE for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:19:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739AF461583 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:34:27 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: start of a website is up... Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:19:03 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 17:19:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f367029851342116753 Iwert Sorry, but I have found the remaining photos. They are rather good, especially the mono reflections. Chris On 6 Oct 2008, at 11:09, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > hello all, > at www.intertwine.be there is the beginning of a website for me and my > partner in life tinne.The three left squares are presenting her > graphic > work, the right one is a subtle try to start doing something > productive with > photography for me. > It is only the very start, no captions yet and I'll have to do a > course to > mak the content more to my likings :) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 17:40:06 2008 Received: (qmail 29055 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 15:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 15:40:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92E5C5A81; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:39:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:39:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4C6C5499 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:35:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KpPS2-0005Gh-MO for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:35:18 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <27362520.24381223908753443.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Subject: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:35:11 +0100 Message-ID: <02aa01c92d49$484e8de0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <27362520.24381223908753443.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcktRGamyj/W68EBT/K3VrWCsKRENwABEgDw X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081012-0, 12/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 17:40:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f36bd6182131035110158 Dawid, you have very clearly and effectively described your feeling of terror. I trust that, in time, you can both recover from such an ordeal. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Dawid Loubser Sent: 13 October 2008 15:31 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Off topic: Another brush with South African crime --snip On Saturday morning at 03:00, whilst my fiancee and I were asleep, we awoke to an ungodly loud crash as our glass sliding door in the room next to our bedroom was smashed. --snip I had to make peace with the fact that we will most likely die. This is not a good thing to truly, really experience. Don't think they kill swiftly here without at least raping the woman and torturing the men. --snip ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 17:47:26 2008 Received: (qmail 20026 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 15:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 15:47:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB4BC5795; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:46:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:46:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-3.orange.nl (smtp-3.orange.nl [193.252.22.243]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D46C5B3A for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:40:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6209.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 84C8B1C00084 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:40:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6209.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4D0881C00083 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:40:40 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081013154040315.4D0881C00083@mwinf6209.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:40:35 +0200 Message-ID: <98107F698A354FFC9EFBCD5CD2DFAD15@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <27362520.24381223908753443.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 17:47:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f36d8e136041591313764 Hello Dawid, Glad to hear both of you escaped the experience alive and kicking. I am luck not to be able to comprehend what has happended to you, because the lack of experience. I only got someone unwanted entering my house once, about 15 years ago. The door was unlocked and he was able to open it through the letterbox. I heard him though and after I heard he was peeking around in my stuff in the hallway I yelled and ran off the stairs, making lots of noise. The coward was around the corner of the street before I was oyut of my house. I lucked out he was not armed and waiting. Th dog only woke up after the police had left about an hour and a half later. What a watchdog! Cheers, Wiliam ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 17:54:35 2008 Received: (qmail 1942 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 15:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 15:54:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D0AC57CA; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:54:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:54:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.239]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31FBC576E for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:52:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so558960wxc.5 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:52:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=1kTRte3eEhQxt1nvuwhDLZFIm9WDllrOzm4Tf/tvgks=; b=NLwURMCZ86CMdTYP1BBQm0022lWeV+7r5RBQm/LVLpPR7BpmgTUqXpOASEaP7cN4Ds SG62FXuSBCbA9Vb4SMGUBqaQ4qF1I+BrCeD4jiB4BPQJwH5LMtLn1OtTkDE0829pqwyh TfbUZgWt2IV8mopN+zIDORXEM4OiBQjvujpVU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=cu7NEzON26D/S/G+d1qFHD0ZhXDZ9yqkmYS/52DcKEobILm0VnJiSf4qU3ZGESe87t FRh2BU9SuWb63wZgBHGyDXhf/nXw1EcfSLRFI27wJWLot2d9pUeerQG+iSBvfUbWECS1 /JURze8R+8wslVgHkFfE5k0Cj2DAGaWRAgc3M= Received: by 10.142.165.14 with SMTP id n14mr2684803wfe.100.1223913122622; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.72.6 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810130852p13b3093amef3b2d3edeaec64d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:52:02 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime In-Reply-To: <27362520.24381223908753443.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <27362520.24381223908753443.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e33b5c57984dffaf X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 17:54:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f36f3b60711946193717 Oh sh*t! Just thankful you are both ok. best regds jez ps - At least you have an excuse to get Windows laptops now... On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > This is very off-topic, but I just wanted to give you a bit of insight > to our life here in Johannesburg, South Africa. On Saturday morning at > 03:00, whilst my fiancee and I were asleep, we awoke to an ungodly loud > crash as our glass sliding door in the room next to our bedroom was > smashed. > > Two black men entered and made their way to our bedroom. It was the most > frightful, awful few seconds as I was realising this happened while > trying to wake up. Luckily, I could close our door in time, but it did > not have a key, so we had to hold the door closed with our hands. We > remained quiet / calm (well, on the outside, in anyway) amidst the > threats (they wanted to have the door opened, which usually results in > rape and death around here) and with us not giving way, were expecting > bullets to fly through the door (and us) at any moment. For the second > time, but somehow more acutely this time (compared to when we were > hijacked in 2005 with two guns against our heads), I had to make peace > with the fact that we will most likely die. This is not a good thing to > truly, really experience. Don't think they kill swiftly here without at > least raping the woman and torturing the men. > > I think our quiet insistence made them unsure of what to expect when > they open the door, and ultimately made them less insistent to enter. > For a while, my fiancee held the door on her own while I found and > loaded my (inherited) single-shot shotgun, which I would have had to use > if they did enter, but which would have been a very big problem since > there were more than one of them, and I had one shot at a time. I am > glad it never came to that, and ultimately they left, but not before > taking what they pleased from my house, most expensive of which were two > Apple Powerbook 17" computers. I cannot explain the gut-wrenching fear > we experienced as two helpless people trapped in their bedroom with > violent barbarians literally pushing against our body strength to come > in and have their way with us. People see things like these in the > movies, and they think they will be rambo, but wait until you are in > such a situation. > > I am shocked anew at the complete disregard here for life and property > in the South African (and, very often, the rest of African) culture. > This is not a racist statement, it is a statistical observation based on > me being subjected to at least eight acts of crime in the past seven > years. There is no attempt at subtlety, they break in and break and do > as they wish - as if it is their right to do so. > > The continuing violent crime against the white minority here is > tantamount to genocide, it seems to be getting worse and worse. Some say > this is society is now the product of the Apartheid-era undoings, but as > a young white South Africa who had absolutely nothing to do with that, I > am still subjected to this barbarism. You face an enemy who does not > reason, does not feel, and has nothing to lose - an animal. > > To give you context, we live in a town-house complex with electrical > fencing around, and guards who patrol every hour. Yet, they directly and > easily came to us in this way. And we are just average people, and > people on average die when this happens - and it happens daily. > > Anyway, I know there aren't any other South African members on this > list, but wherever you are, I would not wish this experience upon my > worst enemy. If you live in the sort of place where you don't need to > create a prison for yourself, please go out and have a safe, > incident-free evening walk for us over here... > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 18:08:11 2008 Received: (qmail 12182 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 16:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 16:08:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E910CC6549; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:07:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:07:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8359BC6248 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:05:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <12858708.24441223914412936.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 316 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:13:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840810130852p13b3093amef3b2d3edeaec64d@mail.gmail.com> References: <27362520.24381223908753443.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <9f07ac840810130852p13b3093amef3b2d3edeaec64d@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Solms TCD Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:05:37 +0200 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 18:08:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f3726b49351993019900 Never! I can't work with a Windows machine again. A windows box is the worst software development and design environment imaginable. Yes, we are very glad to be alive, but it will be some time before I come to terms with what has happened, and have processed it. I just needed to share with this list the awful sort of thing that happens here daily, and how "lucky" I guess we are to have survived. On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 17:52 +0200, Jez Cunningham wrote: > ps - At least you have an excuse to get Windows laptops now... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 18:19:35 2008 Received: (qmail 11488 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 16:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 16:19:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76F0C75D2; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:14:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:14:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl35.gs02.gridserver.com (cl35.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.44]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8F6C74AE for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:13:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50412 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl35.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KpQ2Y-0000w5-LH for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:13:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:13:00 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime Thread-Index: AcktTo/MznoLxZlBEd2lNgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <12858708.24441223914412936.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 18:19:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f37517298061702588592 To me your experience is an excuse to get a Kalashnikov and keep it under your pillow. I don't own any guns, but if I lived in such a dangerous place, I'd have one, and I'd make sure its one that can fire a lot of bullets fast since I can't aim well (I've fired rifles, I am not a good marksman). Yeah, a Kalashnikov sounds perfect. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 10/13/08 12:05 PM, "Dawid Loubser" wrote: > > Never! I can't work with a Windows machine again. A windows box is the > worst software development and design environment imaginable. > > Yes, we are very glad to be alive, but it will be some time before I > come to terms with what has happened, and have processed it. I just > needed to share with this list the awful sort of thing that happens here > daily, and how "lucky" I guess we are to have survived. > > > On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 17:52 +0200, Jez Cunningham wrote: > >> ps - At least you have an excuse to get Windows laptops now... > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 19:24:17 2008 Received: (qmail 24620 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 17:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 17:24:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA5AC4554; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:23:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:23:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F260DC53CE for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:13:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ADA2461603 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:29:01 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <85C9A9E6-5313-46AE-A613-3FF2DCACDD41@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <12858708.24441223914412936.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:13:37 +0100 References: <27362520.24381223908753443.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <9f07ac840810130852p13b3093amef3b2d3edeaec64d@mail.gmail.com> <12858708.24441223914412936.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 19:24:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f38441301711073733319 Hear, hear, Dawid. I have to use the bloomin' thing at work as well as at my parish church. I don't know how Winders users put up with it all. Chris On 13 Oct 2008, at 17:05, Dawid Loubser wrote: > > Never! I can't work with a Windows machine again. A windows box is the > worst software development and design environment imaginable. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 21:03:37 2008 Received: (qmail 19917 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 19:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 19:03:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE83C5E29; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:02:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:02:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-1.concepts.nl (smtp-1.concepts.nl [213.197.30.124]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA03FC6BF8 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:48:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 5571feed.ftth.concepts.nl ([85.113.254.237] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtp-1.concepts.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KpSSv-0003On-LV for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:48:25 +0200 Message-Id: From: Olaf Greve To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48F02530.1070805@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 35: anonymity lifted Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:48:10 +0200 References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <50E63AAF-B93B-432D-920E-141E3645D1FD@millennics.c! om> <48F02530.1070805@adinet.com..uy> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Concepts-MailScanner-Information: Please contact abuse@concepts.nl for more information X-MailScanner-ID: 1KpSSv-0003On-LV X-Concepts-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Concepts-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Concepts-MailScanner-From: ogreve@millennics.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ogreve@millennics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 21:03:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f39b89199149117217770 Hi guys, I hadn't noticed this, but Fernando is right: there was a duplicate entry. I've simply removed the second entry of that person, and moved the last one in its spot. Note: on some browsers the cache might stll display the previous entry from the cache; if that happens, a should do the trick. Cheers! Olafo ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 13 23:20:59 2008 Received: (qmail 7827 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2008 21:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 21:20:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EA7C92E6; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:58:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:58:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A7DCA13A for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:46:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3212.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A1A8D700008B for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:46:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from GeeBee (unknown [91.107.74.170]) by mwinf3212.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6472F7000085 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:46:57 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081013204657411.6472F7000085@mwinf3212.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <3F276027CC4D4F749495733B1FF612B7@GeeBee> From: "Gee Bee" To: "OM List" Subject: [OM] #181 Moreton Pinkney Northamptonshire Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:47:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: graham@geebeephoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 13 23:20:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f3bbbb119411035110158 Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 21mm f2 : Agfa Vista 200 http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08181.htm --Graham http://www.geebeephoto.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 05:55:55 2008 Received: (qmail 7185 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 03:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 03:55:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EFFD1D11; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:41:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:41:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DFAD21B8 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:33:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22666 invoked by uid 518); 14 Oct 2008 02:33:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20081014023322.22665.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:33:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 65.82.224.226 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 05:55:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f4184b245791869477228 Better buy a semi-automatic weapon. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Dawid Loubser > Subject: [OM] Off topic: Another brush with South African crime > Sent: Oct 13 '08 14:31 > > > Hi Guys, > > This is very off-topic, but I just wanted to give you a bit of insight > to our life here in Johannesburg, South Africa. On Saturday morning at > 03:00, whilst my fiancee and I were asleep, we awoke to an ungodly loud > crash as our glass sliding door in the room next to our bedroom was > smashed. > > Two black men entered and made their way to our bedroom. It was the most > frightful, awful few seconds as I was realising this happened while > trying to wake up. Luckily, I could close our door in time, but it did > not have a key, so we had to hold the door closed with our hands. We > remained quiet / calm (well, on the outside, in anyway) amidst the > threats (they wanted to have the door opened, which usually results in > rape and death around here) and with us not giving way, were expecting > bullets to fly through the door (and us) at any moment. For the second > time, but somehow more acutely this time (compared to when we were > hijacked in 2005 with two guns against our heads), I had to make peace > with the fact that we will most likely die. This is not a good thing to > truly, really experience. Don't think they kill swiftly here without at > least raping the woman and torturing the men. > > I think our quiet insistence made them unsure of what to expect when > they open the door, and ultimately made them less insistent to enter. > For a while, my fiancee held the door on her own while I found and > loaded my (inherited) single-shot shotgun, which I would have had to use > if they did enter, but which would have been a very big problem since > there were more than one of them, and I had one shot at a time. I am > glad it never came to that, and ultimately they left, but not before > taking what they pleased from my house, most expensive of which were two > Apple Powerbook 17" computers. I cannot explain the gut-wrenching fear > we experienced as two helpless people trapped in their bedroom with > violent barbarians literally pushing against our body strength to come > in and have their way with us. People see things like these in the > movies, and they think they will be rambo, but wait until you are in > such a situation. > > I am shocked anew at the complete disregard here for life and property > in the South African (and, very often, the rest of African) culture. > This is not a racist statement, it is a statistical observation based on > me being subjected to at least eight acts of crime in the past seven > years. There is no attempt at subtlety, they break in and break and do > as they wish - as if it is their right to do so. > > The continuing violent crime against the white minority here is > tantamount to genocide, it seems to be getting worse and worse. Some say > this is society is now the product of the Apartheid-era undoings, but as > a young white South Africa who had absolutely nothing to do with that, I > am still subjected to this barbarism. You face an enemy who does not > reason, does not feel, and has nothing to lose - an animal. > > To give you context, we live in a town-house complex with electrical > fencing around, and guards who patrol every hour. Yet, they directly and > easily came to us in this way. And we are just average people, and > people on average die when this happens - and it happens daily. > > Anyway, I know there aren't any other South African members on this > list, but wherever you are, I would not wish this experience upon my > worst enemy. If you live in the sort of place where you don't need to > create a prison for yourself, please go out and have a safe, > incident-free evening walk for us over here... > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 08:17:09 2008 Received: (qmail 3363 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 06:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 06:17:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA7EC60AB; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [207.115.11.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E542FCFADD for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:37:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20081014033735H02000uebpe>; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:37:35 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <57AA9D47C28F4AD2BA9026E4D52BEBC8@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Subject: [OM] IMG: Fast Food Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:37:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 08:17:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f43965141822070262475 This array of fast food outlets is across the street from our local high school. How can a school cafeteria compete? http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Fast+Food.tif.html Oly E-510 with Takumar 135/3.5 Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 08:21:05 2008 Received: (qmail 17998 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 06:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 06:21:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B4AFE05B; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:13:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:13:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl37.gs02.gridserver.com (cl37.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DD7C7C53 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:58:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50932 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl37.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Kpb3F-0004EN-N8 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:58:30 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:58:27 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime Thread-Index: AcktsRynWyajaJmkEd2jNwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <20081014023322.22665.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 08:21:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f43a5153101234514069 That was my suggestion. Aren't fully automatic rifles legal there? If so I'd go for that. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 10/13/08 10:33 PM, "chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com" wrote: > Better buy a semi-automatic weapon. > > Chuck Norcutt > > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: Dawid Loubser >> Subject: [OM] Off topic: Another brush with South African crime >> Sent: Oct 13 '08 14:31 >> >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> This is very off-topic, but I just wanted to give you a bit of insight >> to our life here in Johannesburg, South Africa. On Saturday morning at >> 03:00, whilst my fiancee and I were asleep, we awoke to an ungodly loud >> crash as our glass sliding door in the room next to our bedroom was >> smashed. >> >> Two black men entered and made their way to our bedroom. It was the most >> frightful, awful few seconds as I was realising this happened while >> trying to wake up. Luckily, I could close our door in time, but it did >> not have a key, so we had to hold the door closed with our hands. We >> remained quiet / calm (well, on the outside, in anyway) amidst the >> threats (they wanted to have the door opened, which usually results in >> rape and death around here) and with us not giving way, were expecting >> bullets to fly through the door (and us) at any moment. For the second >> time, but somehow more acutely this time (compared to when we were >> hijacked in 2005 with two guns against our heads), I had to make peace >> with the fact that we will most likely die. This is not a good thing to >> truly, really experience. Don't think they kill swiftly here without at >> least raping the woman and torturing the men. >> >> I think our quiet insistence made them unsure of what to expect when >> they open the door, and ultimately made them less insistent to enter. >> For a while, my fiancee held the door on her own while I found and >> loaded my (inherited) single-shot shotgun, which I would have had to use >> if they did enter, but which would have been a very big problem since >> there were more than one of them, and I had one shot at a time. I am >> glad it never came to that, and ultimately they left, but not before >> taking what they pleased from my house, most expensive of which were two >> Apple Powerbook 17" computers. I cannot explain the gut-wrenching fear >> we experienced as two helpless people trapped in their bedroom with >> violent barbarians literally pushing against our body strength to come >> in and have their way with us. People see things like these in the >> movies, and they think they will be rambo, but wait until you are in >> such a situation. >> >> I am shocked anew at the complete disregard here for life and property >> in the South African (and, very often, the rest of African) culture. >> This is not a racist statement, it is a statistical observation based on >> me being subjected to at least eight acts of crime in the past seven >> years. There is no attempt at subtlety, they break in and break and do >> as they wish - as if it is their right to do so. >> >> The continuing violent crime against the white minority here is >> tantamount to genocide, it seems to be getting worse and worse. Some say >> this is society is now the product of the Apartheid-era undoings, but as >> a young white South Africa who had absolutely nothing to do with that, I >> am still subjected to this barbarism. You face an enemy who does not >> reason, does not feel, and has nothing to lose - an animal. >> >> To give you context, we live in a town-house complex with electrical >> fencing around, and guards who patrol every hour. Yet, they directly and >> easily came to us in this way. And we are just average people, and >> people on average die when this happens - and it happens daily. >> >> Anyway, I know there aren't any other South African members on this >> list, but wherever you are, I would not wish this experience upon my >> worst enemy. If you live in the sort of place where you don't need to >> create a prison for yourself, please go out and have a safe, >> incident-free evening walk for us over here... >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 08:44:23 2008 Received: (qmail 5675 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 06:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 06:44:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE53E1136; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:33:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:33:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4ECCF0E5 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:04:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:49909 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Kpc5H-0000SL-4U (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:04:39 +0000 Message-Id: <019151BB-A517-4A47-AE99-954E5F69663E@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48F1DF9A.3050503@m93.myzen.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: B&W clouds - software test Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:04:38 +0200 References: <48F13A93.7070300@m93.myzen.co.uk> <029E3B4F-F8E4-4CE9-A4D5-C03CBD71A085@threeshoes.net> <48F1DF9A.3050503@m93.myzen.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 08:44:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f43fc716691035110158 Yes, I use Wordpress for my PAW, as do several people on the Leica Users Group as well. My PAD is on my smugmug.com site. When I decided to start using blogging software in 2005, I considered MT too but from reading the forums etc. it seemed too complex for my needs. Wordpress works great if you can fit within its limitations (or if you have time & knowledge to muck around with it). My own Wordpress setup is bog standard. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Martyn Smoothy wrote: > > Chris (& Marc), > > Thanks for taking the time to comment. Basic functions seem to be > working OK though I don't much like the standard layouts it provides. > May be forced to read the manual... :-( > Thinking of trying a test with Word Press to see how that compares > (believe that's what Nathan uses for his PAD/PAW). > > The install is a "standard" one from MT & there is an attribution on > the > front page - I assume that's sufficient. > > You're right the pictures are grainy, always appears much worse in > scans > than in "real" prints... :-) > > Regards - Martyn > > > > Chris Barker wrote: >> Martyn >> >> I've left a comment on the blog. It all seems to work OK. >> >> You're using Movable Type; aren't you supposed to attribute the >> software/code somewhere on the page? >> >> Chris >> >> On 12 Oct 2008, at 00:45, Martyn Smoothy wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Just been messing about with some new (to me at least) blog >>> software... >>> want to see how some of the basic features work...... >>> >>> - http://blog.archaeoimages.com/ >>> >>> It does have an Oly image - albeit rather truncated, if someone >>> could >>> post a brief reply it would be appreciated. >>> >>> Regards - Martyn >>> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 08:59:45 2008 Received: (qmail 6154 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 06:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 06:59:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1257DF50E; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:30:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:30:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C7D5FFB89 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:02:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <21139041.24571223964600916.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 694 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:10:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OM] Re: #181 Moreton Pinkney Northamptonshire From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <3F276027CC4D4F749495733B1FF612B7@GeeBee> References: <3F276027CC4D4F749495733B1FF612B7@GeeBee> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Solms TCD Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:02:00 +0200 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 08:59:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f44361170622070262475 Very nice, I particularly like the vibrance of the green grass in the sunshine... Still easier to get colour like that in highlights with film, that's for sure. On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 21:47 +0100, Gee Bee wrote: > Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 21mm f2 : Agfa Vista 200 > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08181.htm ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 09:42:08 2008 Received: (qmail 821 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 07:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 07:42:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A63CFF7E; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:23:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:23:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD19CC5BE8 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:40:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:49993 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Kpcdx-0000Ak-3h (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:40:29 +0000 Message-Id: <6FDB02EF-9E35-4201-A311-37522E51D607@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840810130416n10a7f0fcocc565dfbbb7cce82@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Red-eye avoidance Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:40:27 +0200 References: <9f07ac840808220608q2171c688pc78bcb15e241aa6c@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840810130416n10a7f0fcocc565dfbbb7cce82@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 09:42:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f44d50162083675314703 Love that answer--reminds me of the East German swimming coach in the 1970s, who, when asked about the deep voices of his female swimmers, replied, "zey are hier to swim, not to sing!" :-) Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 13, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > Thanks. > Why the mikes - dunno... I did the photos not the sound :-) > br > jez > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Chris Barker > wrote: > >> >> Very nice, Jez! About the only thing that spoils the photos (just >> slightly) is the little microphones (why do they need them now?) >> >> Chris >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 10:07:30 2008 Received: (qmail 32044 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 08:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 08:07:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FA124394; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:11:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:11:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08CEC75A4 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:14:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA37461514 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:29:39 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <3F276027CC4D4F749495733B1FF612B7@GeeBee> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: #181 Moreton Pinkney Northamptonshire X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:14:14 +0100 References: <3F276027CC4D4F749495733B1FF612B7@GeeBee> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 10:07:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f45342170911869477228 That's a lovely shot, Graham. Good to see the old master back in the haunts ... :-) Chris On 13 Oct 2008, at 21:47, Gee Bee wrote: > > Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 21mm f2 : Agfa Vista 200 > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08181.htm > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 10:12:05 2008 Received: (qmail 20598 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 08:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 08:12:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785A7CA178; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:58:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:58:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B72D005D for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:38:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:49991 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Kpcbr-00080F-57 (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:38:20 +0000 Message-Id: <29C1B0FB-EEF1-44B5-B021-714C3748BDA0@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Red-eye avoidance Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:38:18 +0200 References: <9f07ac840808220608q2171c688pc78bcb15e241aa6c@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 10:12:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f45455210131023412894 Hi Jez, As your results show, you certainly did not need flash on this shoot! I know I am a bit extremist, and I have owned several flashes in the past, but nowadays I think the only place where I might consider flash is on a beach in bright sunshine (or on the slopes in the same situation if we go skiing this winter). Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 13, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > Well the stage production I had to photograph was on Friday - I took > your > advice and went for available (stage) lighting. Quite happy with > results > (no noise reduction applied - that's my next foray into post- > processing...) > > http://picasaweb.google.com/jez.cunningham/Nunsense > Thanks for all the advice anyway! > Jez > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Nathan Wajsman > wrote: > >> >> Or high ISO and no flash ;-) >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 11:42:26 2008 Received: (qmail 23647 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 09:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 09:42:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024B2C32E7; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:42:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:42:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E810DC37D4 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:40:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2101811wah.1 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:40:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=TdvPFLWMQG+z+e4giJFGcDNNS5QuCGRc3qsj6GiaNdo=; b=hTdxFIAihpm5rCM8kKd7Buni1vG9NisihVRXjsIohl3WaqlRvUhAGIOnwe+ABOp7xJ mgJ56wGGC8HQRh+cciE4UTQQ64ccafuw/Pf2j84GEa1slcc8NLKOSwW/2MKIh27QTLdn sbA4KlpYNFYJeoL21f3OEW1zS0T7Ebzz8Dj1Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Fb8k4oRdWrhBVX6Z6BOSCBUAizOlqHEIL3wYVDP/O4/CbkQcOqpgVdy7dQO6rlPqoe 86IYS0bFgws08zNE2nc9TOv6j15Vqo9FD1yI2oeU74aOQ4LPvaRPEXcnPDZCrNqLLdvC LT/7WW1XqRjaiTZFNqyDWmQrkEC+ctWO/qffw= Received: by 10.114.74.18 with SMTP id w18mr6577578waa.125.1223977219865; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810140240k4432635bq80a7f2535624c47c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:40:19 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Red-eye avoidance In-Reply-To: <29C1B0FB-EEF1-44B5-B021-714C3748BDA0@frozenlight.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840808220608q2171c688pc78bcb15e241aa6c@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> <29C1B0FB-EEF1-44B5-B021-714C3748BDA0@frozenlight.eu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c757009d97e1e41e X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 11:42:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f46982213261702588592 Well I shot about 400 pictures and selected about 90 - there were certainly quite a few in the 310 discards with subject movement or camera shake (1/60th was typical), or with insufficient dof (due to f2.8). Maybe I can go to 800asa or higher if I apply some professional noise reduction... cheers jez On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > Hi Jez, > > As your results show, you certainly did not need flash on this shoot! > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 13:12:45 2008 Received: (qmail 13160 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 11:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 11:12:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B4FC2D8C; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:12:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:12:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D26C351E for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:59:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <10161554.24651223971645839.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 18 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:07:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Solms TCD Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:59:30 +0200 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 13:12:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f47ead151711869477228 Our country has, at this stage, incredibly strict gun laws (hah, fat lot that helps...) so, though I am not sure about the specifics around what is legal or not, whatever you want, it's *quite* a process to apply for and get a license - sometimes near impossible. On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 23:58 -0400, Chris Crawford wrote: > That was my suggestion. Aren't fully automatic rifles legal there? If so I'd > go for that. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 14:31:50 2008 Received: (qmail 19182 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 12:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 12:31:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA53DC81D3; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:55:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:55:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5E5C700A for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:35:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46F01DE458B for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:35:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zmd0Y06+sfEN for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61871DE457C for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0396E310-A158-48CD-8F77-FC5F6B10ABB8@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081014015520.C62B9CF38C@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: ot.Diesel cars Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:34:58 -0700 References: <20081014015520.C62B9CF38C@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 14:31:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f4913644589117217770 > From: Chris Barker > > No, he's probably right about Saabs, Jan. They're not very good on > resale, perhaps because they're GM now. And GM is on the ropes, near bankruptcy, as far as I can tell. So perhaps you're right. :::: God is a comedian playing to an audience too terrified to laugh. -- Voltaire :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 14:55:35 2008 Received: (qmail 15818 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 12:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 12:55:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A5EC9E9D; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:46:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:46:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FAAC34B3 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:02:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K8Q00A7X9EXTKI1@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:01:45 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-164-61.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.164.61]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:31:48 -0300 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:01:45 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEPANom9EgY4KQ9/2dsb2JhbACBbIgYtDgFgWc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,409,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="438981482" References: <20081014023322.22665.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 14:55:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f496c7151441838542571 Better advice ............... leave ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:33 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime > Better buy a semi-automatic weapon. > > Chuck Norcutt > > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: Dawid Loubser >> Subject: [OM] Off topic: Another brush with South African crime >> Sent: Oct 13 '08 14:31 >> >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> This is very off-topic, but I just wanted to give you a bit of insight >> to our life here in Johannesburg, South Africa. On Saturday morning at >> 03:00, whilst my fiancee and I were asleep, we awoke to an ungodly loud >> crash as our glass sliding door in the room next to our bedroom was >> smashed. >> >> Two black men entered and made their way to our bedroom. It was the most >> frightful, awful few seconds as I was realising this happened while >> trying to wake up. Luckily, I could close our door in time, but it did >> not have a key, so we had to hold the door closed with our hands. We >> remained quiet / calm (well, on the outside, in anyway) amidst the >> threats (they wanted to have the door opened, which usually results in >> rape and death around here) and with us not giving way, were expecting >> bullets to fly through the door (and us) at any moment. For the second >> time, but somehow more acutely this time (compared to when we were >> hijacked in 2005 with two guns against our heads), I had to make peace >> with the fact that we will most likely die. This is not a good thing to >> truly, really experience. Don't think they kill swiftly here without at >> least raping the woman and torturing the men. >> >> I think our quiet insistence made them unsure of what to expect when >> they open the door, and ultimately made them less insistent to enter. >> For a while, my fiancee held the door on her own while I found and >> loaded my (inherited) single-shot shotgun, which I would have had to use >> if they did enter, but which would have been a very big problem since >> there were more than one of them, and I had one shot at a time. I am >> glad it never came to that, and ultimately they left, but not before >> taking what they pleased from my house, most expensive of which were two >> Apple Powerbook 17" computers. I cannot explain the gut-wrenching fear >> we experienced as two helpless people trapped in their bedroom with >> violent barbarians literally pushing against our body strength to come >> in and have their way with us. People see things like these in the >> movies, and they think they will be rambo, but wait until you are in >> such a situation. >> >> I am shocked anew at the complete disregard here for life and property >> in the South African (and, very often, the rest of African) culture. >> This is not a racist statement, it is a statistical observation based on >> me being subjected to at least eight acts of crime in the past seven >> years. There is no attempt at subtlety, they break in and break and do >> as they wish - as if it is their right to do so. >> >> The continuing violent crime against the white minority here is >> tantamount to genocide, it seems to be getting worse and worse. Some say >> this is society is now the product of the Apartheid-era undoings, but as >> a young white South Africa who had absolutely nothing to do with that, I >> am still subjected to this barbarism. You face an enemy who does not >> reason, does not feel, and has nothing to lose - an animal. >> >> To give you context, we live in a town-house complex with electrical >> fencing around, and guards who patrol every hour. Yet, they directly and >> easily came to us in this way. And we are just average people, and >> people on average die when this happens - and it happens daily. >> >> Anyway, I know there aren't any other South African members on this >> list, but wherever you are, I would not wish this experience upon my >> worst enemy. If you live in the sort of place where you don't need to >> create a prison for yourself, please go out and have a safe, >> incident-free evening walk for us over here... >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 14:57:55 2008 Received: (qmail 18912 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 12:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 12:57:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BCFCEB1A; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:54:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:54:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40419C4FAD for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:45:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845431DE48D2 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:45:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N0MLpYYANqmI for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0E81DE48C3 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <82D4BAD4-03F2-4E4A-B704-6C95F5E01892@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081014015520.C62B9CF38C@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: ot.Diesel cars Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:45:36 -0700 References: <20081014015520.C62B9CF38C@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 14:57:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f4975399262070262475 > From: James R > > It depends on when you buy them in their life-cyle. I owned one for a > year and lost £50 on it (plus one windscreen wiper replaced), and that > was becuase I thought it better to take the cash offered rather than > wait for the banks to open the next day so the full price could be > paid. I had a 1989 Dodge Cummins that I bought on Craig's List, drove (and properly maintained) for three years, then sold for $500 more than I paid for it. Sold it to a friend, who is still a friend, who is still very happy with it. I sold it to buy a 1991 4WD version, which, 50,000 km later, is also worth $1,000 more than I paid for it. But you can pry this one from my cold, dead hands! The price of decent diesels tends to track the cost of gasoline. The Dodge Cummins will get 24 mpg for a full-sized truck, when gassers are getting ~14-16 mpg. So I expect they're down a bit now that gas has dropped. But that won't last forever. So this might be a good opportunity to pick up a good used diesel. Because they ain't making any more dinosaurs, and even if they were, the 60 million year wait for them to turn into crude is a killer... :::: Rest satisfied with doing well, and leave others to talk of you as they please. -- Pythagoras :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 15:22:22 2008 Received: (qmail 7909 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 13:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 13:22:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F3AC928D; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:02:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:02:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4994FC821C for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:51:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8509B1DE4A4C for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:51:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C4UrnCXhQin5 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 166891DE4A3D for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081014015520.C62B9CF38C@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:50:58 -0700 References: <20081014015520.C62B9CF38C@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 15:22:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f49d0e271911946193717 > From: Dawid Loubser > > This is very off-topic, but I just wanted to give you a bit of insight > to our life here in Johannesburg, South Africa... Woa, scary stuff. Can you get out of there, or are you tied down by job, friends, or family? I left my country of birth for much less immediate. :::: Rest satisfied with doing well, and leave others to talk of you as they please. -- Pythagoras :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 15:47:59 2008 Received: (qmail 7978 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 13:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 13:47:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B697C70B4; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:20:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:20:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE73C71E6 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:22:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K8Q00IAXACYVE11@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:22:10 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-164-61.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.164.61]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:53:15 -0300 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:22:12 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Olympus ED 50-200mm f2.8/3.5 zoom To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEPAE4r9EgY4KQ9/2dsb2JhbACBbIgYtEkFgWc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,409,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="381789866" References: <9f07ac840808220608q2171c688pc78bcb15e241aa6c@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> <29C1B0FB-EEF1-44B5-B021-714C3748BDA0@frozenlight.eu> <9f07ac840810140240k4432635bq80a7f2535624c47c@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 15:47:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f4a30f162757927319144 Does anyone have any comments on the build quality and performance of the 50-200mm digital zoom? When measured against the images taken with the 12-60, 14-54 and 11-22 lenses, would the quality of the image from the 50-200 compare less than, equally to or more favourably to those with any one of the three lenses mentioned? John Hudson ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 16:50:57 2008 Received: (qmail 15159 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 14:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 14:50:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B15BC95B9; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:30:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:30:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294CBD02FA for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:59:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KpkQc-0006pe-Si for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:59:15 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <9f07ac840808220608q2171c688pc78bcb15e241aa6c@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> <29C1B0FB-EEF1-44B5-B021-714C3748BDA0@frozenlight.eu> <9f07ac840810140240k4432635bq80a7f2535624c47c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus ED 50-200mm f2.8/3.5 zoom Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:59:06 +0100 Message-ID: <035e01c92e05$0628a150$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckuA3M+r4XPzEwVTmiXm2xjhjvmDwAAQrcA X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081013-0, 13/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 16:50:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f4b1d1272091529615919 You are asking about the older non-SWD lens, correct, John? I can't compare it to 12-60, and the comparison of images taken with 14-54 and (even more so) 11-22 seems to be on the verge of comparing apples with pears, but nevertheless... The 50-200 in my use is indistinguishable in build quality and imaging performance from the 14-54 and 11-22. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hudson Sent: 14 October 2008 13:22 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Olympus ED 50-200mm f2.8/3.5 zoom Does anyone have any comments on the build quality and performance of the 50-200mm digital zoom? When measured against the images taken with the 12-60, 14-54 and 11-22 lenses, would the quality of the image from the 50-200 compare less than, equally to or more favourably to those with any one of the three lenses mentioned? John Hudson ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 17:16:14 2008 Received: (qmail 20332 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 15:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 15:16:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6A9CF138; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:09:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:09:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB64CC6043 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:51:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.191]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8Q00LNTH9RQ5I3@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:51:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:51:37 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime In-reply-to: <27362520.24381223908753443.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48F4B1F9.5020008@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <27362520.24381223908753443.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 17:16:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f4b7be279511257536491 What a horrible experience, I cannot imagine the terror you must have felt. For me this would be life changing. Would all these acts over the last 7 years make you want to leave the country ? Unfortunately, it will take many generations for the scars of Apartheid to heal, if ever. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Dawid Loubser wrote: > Hi Guys, > > This is very off-topic, but I just wanted to give you a bit of insight > to our life here in Johannesburg, South Africa. On Saturday morning at > 03:00, whilst my fiancee and I were asleep, we awoke to an ungodly loud > crash as our glass sliding door in the room next to our bedroom was > smashed. > > Two black men entered and made their way to our bedroom. It was the most > frightful, awful few seconds as I was realising this happened while > trying to wake up. Luckily, I could close our door in time, but it did > not have a key, so we had to hold the door closed with our hands. We > remained quiet / calm (well, on the outside, in anyway) amidst the > threats (they wanted to have the door opened, which usually results in > rape and death around here) and with us not giving way, were expecting > bullets to fly through the door (and us) at any moment. For the second > time, but somehow more acutely this time (compared to when we were > hijacked in 2005 with two guns against our heads), I had to make peace > with the fact that we will most likely die. This is not a good thing to > truly, really experience. Don't think they kill swiftly here without at > least raping the woman and torturing the men. > > I think our quiet insistence made them unsure of what to expect when > they open the door, and ultimately made them less insistent to enter. > For a while, my fiancee held the door on her own while I found and > loaded my (inherited) single-shot shotgun, which I would have had to use > if they did enter, but which would have been a very big problem since > there were more than one of them, and I had one shot at a time. I am > glad it never came to that, and ultimately they left, but not before > taking what they pleased from my house, most expensive of which were two > Apple Powerbook 17" computers. I cannot explain the gut-wrenching fear > we experienced as two helpless people trapped in their bedroom with > violent barbarians literally pushing against our body strength to come > in and have their way with us. People see things like these in the > movies, and they think they will be rambo, but wait until you are in > such a situation. > > I am shocked anew at the complete disregard here for life and property > in the South African (and, very often, the rest of African) culture. > This is not a racist statement, it is a statistical observation based on > me being subjected to at least eight acts of crime in the past seven > years. There is no attempt at subtlety, they break in and break and do > as they wish - as if it is their right to do so. > > The continuing violent crime against the white minority here is > tantamount to genocide, it seems to be getting worse and worse. Some say > this is society is now the product of the Apartheid-era undoings, but as > a young white South Africa who had absolutely nothing to do with that, I > am still subjected to this barbarism. You face an enemy who does not > reason, does not feel, and has nothing to lose - an animal. > > To give you context, we live in a town-house complex with electrical > fencing around, and guards who patrol every hour. Yet, they directly and > easily came to us in this way. And we are just average people, and > people on average die when this happens - and it happens daily. > > Anyway, I know there aren't any other South African members on this > list, but wherever you are, I would not wish this experience upon my > worst enemy. If you live in the sort of place where you don't need to > create a prison for yourself, please go out and have a safe, > incident-free evening walk for us over here... > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 18:06:12 2008 Received: (qmail 20393 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 16:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 16:06:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381A5C34C8; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:05:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:05:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30AFDC3055 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:53:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (mwinf6109 [172.22.153.39]) by mwinf6105.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D1E4B20017B3 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:25:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6109.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B97107000089 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:25:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6109.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 830D27000084 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:25:03 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081014152503536.830D27000084@mwinf6109.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus ED 50-200mm f2.8/3.5 zoom Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:24:57 +0200 Message-ID: <1A588B8BDF1A4A07AE29DFBAD71E3144@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 18:06:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f4c37469971023412894 Hi John, I have the older (non-SWD) version. I love it for its sharpness adn robust feel. There is something I do not like about it though: In my opinion it does not have smooth bekeh. If I focus on a bird that sits before some branches, sometimes the OOF branches do look awfull, like being brighter at the sides than in the middle, or the other way around, I do not remember for sure. For the focussed part the lens is very sharp and I love it. I am thinking of changing it for the newer version because of the bad bokeh, but the E-3 has to come first. Cheers, Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens John Hudson > Verzonden: dinsdag 14 oktober 2008 14:22 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Olympus ED 50-200mm f2.8/3.5 zoom > > > > Does anyone have any comments on the build quality and > performance of the > 50-200mm digital zoom? > > When measured against the images taken with the 12-60, 14-54 > and 11-22 > lenses, would the quality of the image from the 50-200 > compare less than, > equally to or more favourably to those with any one of the > three lenses > mentioned? > > John Hudson > > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 18:35:07 2008 Received: (qmail 32438 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 16:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 16:35:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9139BC2AF6; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:34:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:34:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A70CC4074 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:30:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <11796251.24791224002282142.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 400 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:38:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus ED 50-200mm f2.8/3.5 zoom From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: References: <9f07ac840808220608q2171c688pc78bcb15e241aa6c@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> <29C1B0FB-EEF1-44B5-B021-714C3748BDA0@frozenlight.eu> <9f07ac840810140240k4432635bq80a7f2535624c47c@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Solms TCD Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:30:06 +0200 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 18:35:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f4ca3b236591823421471 I can chime in from a different perspective: My colleague and I have done some comparisons to compare it to canon equipment. Specifically, I am a big fan of Canon's EF 200mm f/2.8L prime lens - optically one of the most perfect lenses you will ever get, and beautifully built - very very compact, made of metal. Wide open, the Canon lens out-resolves the almost AA-filter-less sensor of the EOS 1D MkIIN right in the image corner, to the extent of causing moire artifacts in bird's feathers. It is unbelievably phenomenal, I havenever seen a lens that consistently good. In our testing, it seems that, wide open, the ZD zoom (50-200, non-SWD vesion) is very much a match for this legendary Canon prime. We could not really distinguish any meaningful differences in terms of resolving power (the ZD lens was on an E-3). The two things I do not like of the 50-200, is that it's quality of bokeh does not match the Canon's, and, though the Olympus lens is very solidly built, I do not like the huge amount of extension when changing focal lengths - it really becomes a big, ugly lens in my opinion. I like compact, solid lenses that do not have (much, if any) physical extension. But optically - wow, what a lens, I don't think Canon has a zoom that can match it, since one of their best primes is only a hair sharper. You will be very happy. On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 09:22 -0300, John Hudson wrote: > Does anyone have any comments on the build quality and performance of the > 50-200mm digital zoom? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 18:39:39 2008 Received: (qmail 229 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 16:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 16:39:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F06C4119; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:38:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:38:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ukmrpl003.it.hutchison3g.net (smtp-mbb.three.co.uk [217.171.128.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id D8BDCC3DB4 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:31:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27342 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 16:31:43 -0000 Received: from 92.41.5.210.sub.mbb.three.co.uk (92.41.5.210) by smtp-mbb.three.co.uk with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 16:31:43 -0000 Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <035e01c92e05$0628a150$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus ED 50-200mm f2.8/3.5 zoom Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:31:41 +0100 References: <9f07ac840808220608q2171c688pc78bcb15e241aa6c@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> <29C1B0FB-EEF1-44B5-B021-714C3748BDA0@frozenlight.eu> <9f07ac840810140240k4432635bq80a7f2535624c47c@mail.gmail.com> <035e01c92e05$0628a150$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 18:39:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f4cb4b295881585427447 It's a lovely lens, John. I have the older version, bought secondhand for a pittance, and it is a pleasure to use. It's quite a large lens and with the 12-60 in a bag it makes for a heavy combination. Chris On 14 Oct 2008, at 14:59, Piers Hemy wrote: > > You are asking about the older non-SWD lens, correct, John? > > I can't compare it to 12-60, and the comparison of images taken with > 14-54 > and (even more so) 11-22 seems to be on the verge of comparing > apples with > pears, but nevertheless... > > The 50-200 in my use is indistinguishable in build quality and imaging > performance from the 14-54 and 11-22. > > -- > Piers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf > Of John Hudson > Sent: 14 October 2008 13:22 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Olympus ED 50-200mm f2.8/3.5 zoom > > > Does anyone have any comments on the build quality and performance > of the > 50-200mm digital zoom? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 19:16:11 2008 Received: (qmail 19812 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 17:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 17:16:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10763C32EA; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:15:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:15:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-1.orange.nl (smtp-1.orange.nl [193.252.22.241]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42897C2D2B for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:09:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6001.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 258C81C00085 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:09:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6001.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D5D441C00084 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:09:30 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081014170930875.D5D441C00084@mwinf6001.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] heads up FS: Olympus zuiko 350 mm/1:2.8 auto-T lens Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:09:24 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 19:16:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f4d3db321545368819438 No connection whatsoever, but I thought someone might be interested in this rare item. http://www.zeelandnet.nl/prikbord/advertentie.php?id=1996380 and http://audio-tv-foto.marktplaats.nl/fotografie-lenzen-en-objectieven/199 805323-olympus-om-system-zuiko-auto-t-350mm-1-2-8.html Bidding was asked to start at EUR 1000,-. At the moment it is up to EUR 1300,-. Still very low in my book. Good luck, Wiliam ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 19:37:41 2008 Received: (qmail 15364 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 17:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 17:37:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B238C4170; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:37:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:37:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0702EC4377 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:30:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id y18so490446gvf.14 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:30:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=VmnUMYimhPnD1oWudmRMj46gj93gqoM5NPDlocrJK70=; b=rAhdiA1nBiopgS+ntyDV6C5zdktStgKYIlZ9WZzurmWJZFVpJDtl59BrVK7PnZBk2s bnWRPK94oEJTklOZaMTQqkdqH/Qa8pNPCwsaHCrpoGxY1gtT2iOx2cdIGEpGtquRuVLW F84I7YkvL+wSYayZI4I2ksjgOS03UtlMImFFw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=lfzZKA3NTxDo3bckD8P+DkaJ79Bnnx/p+sPlgMElpw7dj8s3Hzw6VP0kwFrQJ+/tDw VZZl2hgLMqOWlwCpoXioIweo4mQbMLEjNzbYMU5vtIZfErKSw6RDcOshiHJshtoazRPE j+eoIr8Owpzh1CnARoP8n75o+0JdfbZmSxwu0= Received: by 10.86.80.17 with SMTP id d17mr157363fgb.24.1224005404736; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.2 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0810141030g2d76c4c7sff171721810fa56d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:30:04 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: #181 Moreton Pinkney Northamptonshire In-Reply-To: <3F276027CC4D4F749495733B1FF612B7@GeeBee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3F276027CC4D4F749495733B1FF612B7@GeeBee> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 19:37:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f4d8e5171061470116606 Well done Graham. Good to see and hear from you again. Charlie 2008/10/13 Gee Bee > > Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 21mm f2 : Agfa Vista 200 > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08181.htm > > > > --Graham > http://www.geebeephoto.com > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 19:52:51 2008 Received: (qmail 3433 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 17:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 17:52:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA6BC3BA1; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:52:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:52:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41BDAC356A for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:43:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:50174 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Kpnvt-0006cr-2I (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:43:46 +0000 Message-Id: <97CA0DDD-E4D8-4147-B4B6-8489FFB71D79@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840810140240k4432635bq80a7f2535624c47c@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Red-eye avoidance Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:43:44 +0200 References: <9f07ac840808220608q2171c688pc78bcb15e241aa6c@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> <29C1B0FB-EEF1-44B5-B021-714C3748BDA0@frozenlight.eu> <9f07ac840810140240k4432635bq80a7f2535624c47c@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 19:52:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f4dc7358825368819438 Based on my experience with the E3 (around 8000 pictures so far), you will have no problem shooting it at 800. Beyond that, some noise reduction software is indeed needed. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 14, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > Well I shot about 400 pictures and selected about 90 - there were > certainly > quite a few in the 310 discards with subject movement or camera shake > (1/60th was typical), or with insufficient dof (due to f2.8). > > Maybe I can go to 800asa or higher if I apply some professional noise > reduction... > cheers > jez > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Nathan Wajsman > wrote: > >> >> Hi Jez, >> >> As your results show, you certainly did not need flash on this shoot! >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 20:14:07 2008 Received: (qmail 28009 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 18:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 18:14:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4948C39AB; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:13:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:13:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.169]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE47C32E8 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:10:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so2288446wfd.5 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:10:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=gAM9qmkjNDZrKumyGLJ/HyM2IhVySofMv4zPMJmMX08=; b=fqGGBxzq5RttkE8XgIz2S9e6D+JYj5VSifLXU02muSPWa/oMW37yS5Ljz+Si9EHXNA uSeaZAMITTmg+T7V8TXS0hDhuI5eGaDh30M3Unt258Rha6BVYyFFR3H9JD8FD2zjtRQW AmQnohfRut5wdCuCUFrfz3fI8X569P0LIbQNg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=I2YAm3PKwXKJw2o++2ia0lGt9ZMpqdijJln9xVIW/pBhU2w3yajiatMrrqY21mthPA JCjGo3SU6Jk3kezsDMCQDX7xyP9ojvo3ZCYhbU9ouA5iq+++NRn1SC/MiE4zT7W4zlf4 FUzEdziG8cCL5Ld5PU8oZmqkcCAlDkokm6GsE= Received: by 10.114.127.1 with SMTP id z1mr7256309wac.203.1224007829916; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810141110p30f2f5e0q863893ad1863d922@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:10:29 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Red-eye avoidance In-Reply-To: <97CA0DDD-E4D8-4147-B4B6-8489FFB71D79@frozenlight.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840808220608q2171c688pc78bcb15e241aa6c@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> <29C1B0FB-EEF1-44B5-B021-714C3748BDA0@frozenlight.eu> <9f07ac840810140240k4432635bq80a7f2535624c47c@mail.gmail.com> <97CA0DDD-E4D8-4147-B4B6-8489FFB71D79@frozenlight.eu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 84217651c9265c0f X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 20:14:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f4e16f166302046811720 Don't tell anyone (they might throw me off) but I shoot a D70 (and just keep my OM2n in the cabinet to admire and polish from time-to-time) Jez On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > Based on my experience with the E3 (around 8000 pictures so far), you > will have no problem shooting it at 800. Beyond that, some noise > reduction software is indeed needed. > > Cheers, > Nathan > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 14 23:29:23 2008 Received: (qmail 27012 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 21:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 21:29:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0AE9C2E34; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:29:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:29:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80431C2FB5 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:29:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so39737fge.11 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:29:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=WYXDiGstCeNpjJ/r3FH5ZXlWystQBRVnqjkq6SnfDDM=; b=qcYDvoF4+DgrFuvFzjTcLVApo4AWWGmlu9m6SzHFBygkmA3jXMr2363tQkC5+vgVeg En3of6jY3C0VJ0nc+gQSkabVJvtDrkKZfPaA27zLj0A6wq2qXVvbvnOK46Ix78s7epqs L5NRjb/sZojE05Pi21N7RLDCexRKuX1osyfmU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=SfnM/KjuUJuK7XmQcYVOm3gLWTk3IvWoZh3IyBApm9id+k/BsuU/WJjMjdf+nbVGgL hCoByuMJn0aIETqMNC1bGB2vZqAUkQs408E8X5V84cbRnnnSGpj3AOwxb/MmD+EGakKN /QP4azlTbJgogkd6sYFWCJIBBJHqW7laNz/ak= Received: by 10.187.247.15 with SMTP id z15mr5009far.76.1224019748244; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.187.158.17 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:29:08 +0100 From: "Ian Nichols" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Cashback on Oly ZD lenses in UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ian.a.nichols@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 14 23:29:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f50f33214651342116753 Haven't seen it mentioned, that I recall, so I mention it in case there are others who remain unaware. They're doing some cashback deals on some of the ZD lenses from October 1st to the end of next January - put them on your Christmas list now! http://www.olympus.co.uk/consumer/208_20069.htm Oh, and bristolcameras.co.uk have the 50-200 at a slightly reduced price atm too. Still a bit out of my reach for the moment though. -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 00:35:59 2008 Received: (qmail 18600 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 22:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 22:35:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C131C2D16; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:35:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:35:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06962C3AF2 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:35:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.20] (really [74.75.80.44]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081014223522.JGDE649.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@[192.168.2.20]> for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:35:22 +0000 Message-ID: <48F51E9F.8080403@roadrunner.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:35:11 -0400 From: Richard Ociepka User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus ED 50-200mm f2.8/3.5 zoom References: <9f07ac840808220608q2171c688pc78bcb15e241aa6c@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> <29C1B0FB-EEF1-44B5-B021-714C3748BDA0@frozenlight.eu> <9f07ac840810140240k4432635bq80a7f2535624c47c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ociepka@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 00:35:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f51ecf323821234514069 The build quality of the 50-200mm is excellent. It compares to the 14-54mm. Optically it is at least as good as the 14-54mm and maybe better. The only two lenses I use are the 14-54mm and the 50-200mm. Here are some reviews of the 50-200mm. http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Olympus-Zuiko-ED-50-200mm-f28-35 http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/38/cat/15 http://www.biofos.com/cornucop/telecomp.html Dick John Hudson wrote: > Does anyone have any comments on the build quality and performance of the > 50-200mm digital zoom? > > When measured against the images taken with the 12-60, 14-54 and 11-22 > lenses, would the quality of the image from the 50-200 compare less than, > equally to or more favourably to those with any one of the three lenses > mentioned? > > John Hudson ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 00:36:23 2008 Received: (qmail 15733 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 22:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 22:36:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE63C3BC0; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:35:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:35:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D8CC2B7C for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:35:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.cc0.4594d97a (37034) for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB024-5bac48f51eb729c; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:35:40 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-DZ18 (webmail-dz18.sim.aol.com [205.188.185.32]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA013-5bac48f51eb729c; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:35:35 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] #181 Moreton Pinkney Northamptonshire Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:35:35 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com (205.188.185.32) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:35:35 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAFC644F078A2F-DCC-F3A@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 00:36:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f51ee7124021470116606 Nice Graham, Great to start a work week with an excellent Gee Bee image. (Mon was "Columbus Day"). Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 02:20:39 2008 Received: (qmail 14598 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 00:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 00:20:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC03CC2B68; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:20:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:20:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4A7C2F06 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:20:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30417 invoked by uid 518); 15 Oct 2008 00:20:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20081015002024.30416.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus ED 50-200mm f2.8/3.5 zoom Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:20:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 209.159.52.10 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 02:20:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f53757137865368819438 12-60 and original 14-54 (not SWD) are tested here: Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: John Hudson > Subject: [OM] Olympus ED 50-200mm f2.8/3.5 zoom > Sent: Oct 14 '08 12:22 > > > Does anyone have any comments on the build quality and performance of the > 50-200mm digital zoom? > > When measured against the images taken with the 12-60, 14-54 and 11-22 > lenses, would the quality of the image from the 50-200 compare less than, > equally to or more favourably to those with any one of the three lenses > mentioned? > > John Hudson > > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 06:18:23 2008 Received: (qmail 13809 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 04:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 04:18:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0B7C2B77; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:18:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:18:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92C4C3486 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:18:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:50529 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Kpxpp-0000rs-42 (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:18:09 +0000 Message-Id: <3288086D-916D-41A3-911C-8330F6769717@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081015002024.30416.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus ED 50-200mm f2.8/3.5 zoom Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:18:08 +0200 References: <20081015002024.30416.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 06:18:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f56f0f138551234514069 I have the newer version, and I am very pleased with it. Yes, it is a bit long when you zoom out, and it is heavy, even on an E3 body, but the picture quality is worth it. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 15, 2008, at 2:20 AM, wrote: > 12-60 and original 14-54 (not SWD) are tested here: > > > Chuck Norcutt > > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: John Hudson >> Subject: [OM] Olympus ED 50-200mm f2.8/3.5 zoom >> Sent: Oct 14 '08 12:22 >> >> >> Does anyone have any comments on the build quality and performance >> of the >> 50-200mm digital zoom? >> >> When measured against the images taken with the 12-60, 14-54 and >> 11-22 >> lenses, would the quality of the image from the 50-200 compare less >> than, >> equally to or more favourably to those with any one of the three >> lenses >> mentioned? >> >> John Hudson >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 11:00:26 2008 Received: (qmail 14227 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 09:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 09:00:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F3EC44A7; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:00:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:00:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36632C467B for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:00:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2602216wah.1 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:00:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=493S2XMDhKkmFRX4AleYwDtz8HwN82LHUYZMi8NTFHU=; b=xz/7dA25QIfhqDhCKFubSiD3TqKprxPIx3vKe/lSd7huyjyBOX7I7jj/LPGhTV1ca1 3djhQ91masgFXecpuL0AbjE2QnvhIzKQ+sCUqtA1/+W4YwW38wePIkHeV2JHpDUUTRjB rXRa8NOJ9uD2vuY9JhmwgzsiSdDMmfX+b0ChE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=PugQz2fV9fwBprHtebyFuRtWeZveJBq5KrN6a5QDJQNovPoqAs8RG9SvY2dTtE/WD0 rhtjISHMqy+RPmXPeDvDS2Z5i2lLdtiS1eDNpcJtygxCLnegkU0FiWsqEI1+3R82wfv1 yHckX4RLs9Y6fUcpEW7o8XgYrvw8geZwylNag= Received: by 10.114.145.1 with SMTP id s1mr565756wad.15.1224061212928; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810150200h1bc0add5te942b64b0ce4b5b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:00:12 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus Subject: [OM] [OT] WTB SmartMedia memory chip MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Google-Sender-Auth: 144cdd145c21fe35 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 11:00:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f5b12975631823421471 Just looking for a 64MB 3v SmartMedia chip - anyone? cheers jez ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 11:13:33 2008 Received: (qmail 16197 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 09:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 09:13:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2068EC59FC; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:13:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:13:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF00C4965 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:06:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20081015090655.YJZS21103.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:06:55 +0100 Received: from user4fec106f50 ([81.99.10.243]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20081015090655.GPQR22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@user4fec106f50> for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:06:55 +0100 From: "David W Bell" To: References: <9f07ac840810150200h1bc0add5te942b64b0ce4b5b1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] WTB SmartMedia memory chip Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:06:46 +0100 Message-ID: <3048669FF5AD4E6D93F6A2D06A044574@user4fec106f50> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840810150200h1bc0add5te942b64b0ce4b5b1@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AckupHsBe6tWvhGHSRu0O3raJOG1SQAAK2og X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GtOCyJkFuHUA:10 a=mRqYB0Su8ZAA:10 a=nxKQvxWdAAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=ZZQwTtU0N_XumqEVduoA:9 a=vI27QtO7QCNkNM30SYMcigmIrhIA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: david.w.bell@ntlworld.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 11:13:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f5b43d253471869477228 128mb here however I think they only supply to UK http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_6&products_id=696 1 Dave -----Original Message----- From: jez.cunningham@gmail.com [mailto:jez.cunningham@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jez Cunningham Sent: 15 October 2008 10:00 To: olympus Subject: [OM] [OT] WTB SmartMedia memory chip Just looking for a 64MB 3v SmartMedia chip - anyone? cheers jez ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 12:34:44 2008 Received: (qmail 17594 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 10:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 10:34:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDFAC64D8; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:21:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:21:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C256C5B7A for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:01:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2623814wah.1 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:01:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=CogAo9WIG1JNTjAr7WGcscFBgKebxionB6T0a41Q/So=; b=gnsdr/OA5A+L6gR8dX5n+O4OiGiOU0eAAYyPPTLU4yxfjhxR3Ku0tl8uwpXPdpCicU 6I4zXD15UEZ3ObDNpRYadGL8EyHuv5yhWsojcIjo4x1TkGHLWZjJgHJKPxGyjPGEqIA6 3xLTv9FF58p1x5C4QkU8BCdbeK6T4gzCegVpg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=mWWK+tnh/ri68+aRzu5BcS8wUaW9Y1+x8SyZTYQEQTFyAXTq/zOkqRQ5X3vOxFbKOD J4MdmTxX0pdZpCvM4fuzu1c7MAf46ScH+siBk+Pk4PWYtidJ9jMcHPkz71M96m4ZpEMV X6V9dWQASzUSPA4VnNxjxS9lOuwo5c9epHpRg= Received: by 10.114.169.2 with SMTP id r2mr563201wae.132.1224064875647; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810150301p7204dac6tbda131d4d35897d3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:01:15 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] WTB SmartMedia memory chip In-Reply-To: <3048669FF5AD4E6D93F6A2D06A044574@user4fec106f50> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840810150200h1bc0add5te942b64b0ce4b5b1@mail.gmail.com> <3048669FF5AD4E6D93F6A2D06A044574@user4fec106f50> X-Google-Sender-Auth: be1c9083f2bca66e X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 12:34:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f5c744140511869477228 Thanks Dave - they used to supply me (in Belgium) but they won't any more. It's my son in UK who wants one so I'll point him that way. Still a shocking price (considering this is MB not GB) isn't it! No-one got a 64MB laying about in a drawer? cheers jez On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:06 AM, David W Bell wrote: > > > > 128mb here however I think they only supply to UK > > > http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_6&products_id=696 > 1 > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jez.cunningham@gmail.com [mailto:jez.cunningham@gmail.com] On Behalf > Of Jez Cunningham > Sent: 15 October 2008 10:00 > To: olympus > Subject: [OM] [OT] WTB SmartMedia memory chip > > > Just looking for a 64MB 3v SmartMedia chip - anyone? > cheers > jez > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 13:43:01 2008 Received: (qmail 1039 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 11:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 11:42:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3D1C51AE; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:42:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:42:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hvmail.co.uk (smtp.hvmail.co.uk [87.240.129.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F72C4992 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:41:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from no3.hvmail.co.uk (unverified [87.240.134.153]) by hvmail.co.uk (SurgeMail 3.8k4) with ESMTP id 10055323-1833011 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:41:20 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:46:07 +0100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Brian Gray Subject: [OM] [OT] South Africa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <1224070880_14391@hvmail.co.uk> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brian.gray@hvmail.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 13:43:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f5d745178921591313764 < David Loubser wrote Re: Off topic: Another brush with South African crime... This is the sad thing - one either has to completely diminish one's life quality and trust in other human beings by arming oneself (and building an even tighter prison for a home) or one has to find a better place to live. < There may be no other South Africans on the list but this member at least has very many relatives with ages from 1 to 80 in the country so the country's woes are of concern. I have had one great, extended, holiday in the country but am very aware that long before that one relative, now dead, was seriously injured in an attack in her own home which did not involve firearms. I am also aware that during the apartheid era I read seriously racist comments in letters from at least one, now dead, close relative. It looks as if it will take a long time before race is not an issue and people of all colours will be judged for what they are and not by stereotypes of people with their background. But, if you do go to the country, and much of the scenery is beautiful, be prepared to take many pictures with your Olympus cameras, I did. Brian ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 14:15:05 2008 Received: (qmail 14988 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 12:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 12:15:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787A8C3368; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:14:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:14:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE630C2E50 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:14:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3877498.25161224073355985.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 178 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:22:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] South Africa From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <1224070880_14391@hvmail.co.uk> References: <1224070880_14391@hvmail.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Solms TCD Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:14:42 +0200 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 14:15:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f5dec915711869477228 You speak the truth, Brian. What is difficult, is that, as a young Afrikaner who was born too late to have anything to do with Apartheid, I find my heritage and culture disregarded and destroyed (though the endless changes of place names, removals of monuments, etc etc) and I find myself part of a minority who is actively discriminated against (even though I personally am lucky and successful in my life) without having any form of protection, which other minorities in other countries enjoy. The Afrikaner nation is strong and have accomplished much (from the Anglo-Boer War, to building South Africa up as what was, at a time, the only country in Africa which was not solidly third-world) but all of that is forgotten / shunned because of the one mistake made by the political leaders half a century before my birth. The price they pay, is that black people here repeatedly and continually commit heinous acts of crime of a brutality you have not seen before *anywhere* against white people (and, often enough, themselves, if you followed the news of the recent Xenophobic attacks that broke out against other Africans). Yes, many white people who are fortunate enough to live in decent homes. Have decent jobs. But I am a strong believer in a non-racial society, and I am not, and will never, prevent a person of a race different to my own from building and maintaining a decent life. But, in the meantime, we find ourselves in a reversed, implied apartheid where everything we as a minority have, is actively seeked and destroyed. We are outnumbered more than 20:1. Some of us stick around, because this is there home, and they feel they can contribute to society. They do not want to just run. But so many have. I will not bore this list with my personal losses over the past seven years. But this was by no means the first incident. But my life and my belongings are at constant risk, if not actively protected. Surely, That is not a society? And as a last comment, over the past decade or more, the 'democratically elected ANC government' has allowed so much of our natural beauty to be destroyed due to gross incompetence, mis-management and lack of planning. The beauty we had, and still have, was actively protected by previous governments. If you want to come and see it (and photograph it) you better come quick, because it is being raped and pillaged like never before. I wish I could convey the sadness, and the conflict, I feel at the transition of the situation: In 1994 we went from a pristine, well-run, beautiful country with a terrible political and human rights record, to a current 'free, democratic' country which is collapsing under its own uncontrolled over-development because of the incompetence and the greed of those in charge now. Seems like there is no winning? The only way to deal with this is to enjoy the small, simple things - and try to photograph them :-) On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 12:46 +0100, Brian Gray wrote: > It looks as if it will > take a long time before race is not an issue and people of all > colours will be judged for what they are and not by stereotypes of > people with their background. > > But, if you do go to the country, and much of the scenery is > beautiful, be prepared to take many pictures with your Olympus cameras, I did. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 15:07:35 2008 Received: (qmail 15510 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 13:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 13:07:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B37FC3884; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:07:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:07:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAEBC34D8 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:07:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so167138eyd.5 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:07:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=WY24X4OG6AiyADk3t8arSxpqn2lrP8y2dQ0F88ojMkw=; b=eqFjeZcCqfXRGkI5VsYZRV85uqrFi8fr0KWlGSbET58/x5ocP3YxjsA/F6rHznF8cb 2RxheAyZ2qfZIium9Ie5WgnNfra+CkFJ4JJW0hF44KzDwgTM4YjvOppTZhayRFGCkQXd XLywM4Gqsnk2ogQj+1gS/r+iGM+GXsFg26NS0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=sZFQ7g4Kjp5w9XNtAYmPrJ3cxF8QeihBNyYKYjRgs/XqOy6iwQ9Rtby8i95nGQi6Yl fz0q7qZYPQaYNeTDhzLMcgH7iUzxD5A8+hoYBEVAmoDEgL8/ogWctriSCClZLa05BC3q rM/olAoW4pldvlud/m32u4KckUhrCMVPWe27k= Received: by 10.210.30.1 with SMTP id d1mr1151331ebd.127.1224076039139; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.102.1 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:07:19 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] FS Large D Zuiko zoom MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 15:07:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f5eb17295203675314703 Hi all, Back in the UK. There will be more pictures soon, but in the meantime, does anyone want a DZ 7-14/4? Condition perfect, box, papers etc, say £850? Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 15:30:57 2008 Received: (qmail 140 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 13:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 13:30:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8860CC47DA; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:30:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:30:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtagate5.de.ibm.com (mtagate5.de.ibm.com [195.212.29.154]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D140C40A4 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:30:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate5.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9FDTbKB122288 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:29:37 GMT Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id m9FDTbt63657932 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:29:37 +0200 Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m9FDTbmT026383 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:29:37 +0200 Received: from d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.166.154]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m9FDTbIx026380 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:29:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <51FAE3FE-4237-4BD3-B770-978F3316A911@threeshoes.net> X-Disclaimed: 43026 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Re: New European Olympus Odyssey images posted X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Ralf Loi X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 15/10/2008 15.29.40, Serialize by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 15/10/2008 15.29.40, Serialize complete at 15/10/2008 15.29.40, S/MIME Sign failed at 15/10/2008 15.29.40: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on D12ML401/12/M/IBM(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 15/10/2008 15:29:37, Serialize complete at 15/10/2008 15:29:37 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:29:36 +0200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ralf_loi@it.ibm.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 15:30:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f5f091146378512572685 << I like the photos, but as an English English speaker I might try to guide you towards the use of English English rather than American English: >> Chris, thanks for the English English lesson, always appreciated! (As per my mistakes, I work for an American company, I hope you understand :) ) Ralf ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 16:48:10 2008 Received: (qmail 1976 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 14:48:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 14:48:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4179AC640E; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:47:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:47:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms172073pub.verizon.net (vms172073pub.verizon.net [206.46.172.73]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51C0C4657 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:29:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.191]) by vms172073.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8S00BR6AWILM10@vms172073.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:29:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:29:19 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] WTB SmartMedia memory chip In-reply-to: <9f07ac840810150301p7204dac6tbda131d4d35897d3@mail.gmail.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48F5FE3F.5030900@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840810150200h1bc0add5te942b64b0ce4b5b1@mail.gmail.com> <3048669FF5AD4E6D93F6A2D06A044574@user4fec106f50> <9f07ac840810150301p7204dac6tbda131d4d35897d3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 16:48:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f602aa125651023412894 I have a 128 I used to use with the E-10. You can have it for $10 S&H. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jez Cunningham wrote: > Thanks Dave - they used to supply me (in Belgium) but they won't any more. > It's my son in UK who wants one so I'll point him that way. > Still a shocking price (considering this is MB not GB) isn't it! No-one got > a 64MB laying about in a drawer? > cheers > jez > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:06 AM, David W Bell wrote: > >> >> >> 128mb here however I think they only supply to UK >> >> >> http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_6&products_id=696 >> 1 >> >> Dave >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jez.cunningham@gmail.com [mailto:jez.cunningham@gmail.com] On Behalf >> Of Jez Cunningham >> Sent: 15 October 2008 10:00 >> To: olympus >> Subject: [OM] [OT] WTB SmartMedia memory chip >> >> >> Just looking for a 64MB 3v SmartMedia chip - anyone? >> cheers >> jez >> > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 17:41:25 2008 Received: (qmail 3058 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 15:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 15:41:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2BDC7D0A; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:32:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:32:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40206C27DC for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:58:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <23658835.25191224083187706.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-53-161.iburst.co.za ([41.213.53.161]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 287 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:06:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] South Africa From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <1224070880_14391@hvmail.co.uk> References: <1224070880_14391@hvmail.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Solms TCD Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:14:42 +0200 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 17:41:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f60f25215121838542571 You speak the truth, Brian. What is difficult, is that, as a young Afrikaner who was born too late to have anything to do with Apartheid, I find my heritage and culture disregarded and destroyed (though the endless changes of place names, removals of monuments, etc etc) and I find myself part of a minority who is actively discriminated against (even though I personally am lucky and successful in my life) without having any form of protection, which other minorities in other countries enjoy. The Afrikaner nation is strong and have accomplished much (from the Anglo-Boer War, to building South Africa up as what was, at a time, the only country in Africa which was not solidly third-world) but all of that is forgotten / shunned because of the one mistake made by the political leaders half a century before my birth. The price they pay, is that black people here repeatedly and continually commit heinous acts of crime of a brutality you have not seen before *anywhere* against white people (and, often enough, themselves, if you followed the news of the recent Xenophobic attacks that broke out against other Africans). Yes, many white people who are fortunate enough to live in decent homes. Have decent jobs. But I am a strong believer in a non-racial society, and I am not, and will never, prevent a person of a race different to my own from building and maintaining a decent life. But, in the meantime, we find ourselves in a reversed, implied apartheid where everything we as a minority have, is actively seeked and destroyed. We are outnumbered more than 20:1. Some of us stick around, because this is there home, and they feel they can contribute to society. They do not want to just run. But so many have. I will not bore this list with my personal losses over the past seven years. But this was by no means the first incident. But my life and my belongings are at constant risk, if not actively protected. Surely, That is not a society? And as a last comment, over the past decade or more, the 'democratically elected ANC government' has allowed so much of our natural beauty to be destroyed due to gross incompetence, mis-management and lack of planning. The beauty we had, and still have, was actively protected by previous governments. If you want to come and see it (and photograph it) you better come quick, because it is being raped and pillaged like never before. I wish I could convey the sadness, and the conflict, I feel at the transition of the situation: In 1994 we went from a pristine, well-run, beautiful country with a terrible political and human rights record, to a current 'free, democratic' country which is collapsing under its own uncontrolled over-development because of the incompetence and the greed of those in charge now. Seems like there is no winning? The only way to deal with this is to enjoy the small, simple things - and try to photograph them :-) On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 12:46 +0100, Brian Gray wrote: > It looks as if it will > take a long time before race is not an issue and people of all > colours will be judged for what they are and not by stereotypes of > people with their background. > > But, if you do go to the country, and much of the scenery is > beautiful, be prepared to take many pictures with your Olympus cameras, I did. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 17:47:42 2008 Received: (qmail 16487 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 15:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 15:47:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14674C4F77; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:43:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:43:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6535C47D4 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:07:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2745141wah.1 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:07:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=iNw2C8TMrxO62Z5qVoe0YxpQHSE3ArWBlUBIx6Ucih8=; b=YNlTN73gdrL/tFpt62vLxx4Npbza3io/aUfSdfgkaBaEswZCADzWyncLGVHJMBe++M o5/9GgJGRioOZnmE+mK3cL5ZraM+byxwaxVP4R6Si/GND5H1RCKOxZYq2nEz/EpUZsOr Te08cIfbyjJPTpKzzypkh7Z5leowFhqjGODU8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=VKw1o7TVsPRlKlDwbvkjNxyTAQuv8iWHfNJAg9nto1KIUHi2aXsipWE6HWB1ncs1lJ 517JR3wsedB01i8m8YX7xsW270RgynuqPIL5gZdtckr8InRJzXWkbnAKph1UtjgR6Epj eNPSQ82J7o//EZ3JeFbVqiifWuIGsH2MMsKWY= Received: by 10.115.74.1 with SMTP id b1mr899157wal.169.1224083245120; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810150807n4a75bf70w28d85c7ef7bbe486@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:07:25 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] WTB SmartMedia memory chip In-Reply-To: <48F5FE3F.5030900@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840810150200h1bc0add5te942b64b0ce4b5b1@mail.gmail.com> <3048669FF5AD4E6D93F6A2D06A044574@user4fec106f50> <9f07ac840810150301p7204dac6tbda131d4d35897d3@mail.gmail.com> <48F5FE3F.5030900@verizon.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8f4734e079dc869d X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 17:47:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f6109e156201591313764 Sounds fine - thanks John! PayPal? (I'll even add the 3% or whatever) Jez Cunningham Bronstraat 9 Leefdaal 3061 BELGIUM cheers Jez On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:29 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > > I have a 128 I used to use with the E-10. You can have it for $10 S&H. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 18:16:43 2008 Received: (qmail 377 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 16:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 16:16:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F659C5D00; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:12:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:12:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.63]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 68E11C54FF for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:18:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 6656 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2008 15:18:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=yeRsUnXAdFNMh+mou3sHCC6nTq00wF0sy6+uNa5Srx8r+hDXZI+Cp6+Wwy1b9FRe4w4uXrafuI8qO6XDWObojv4L62o1ZIcRtFMGSM2WRI1B21bkZJMsPyzPo3RtEuDC9SFiqWIzR75lFRoYpZD4eWafpqpjKc3bcDeBC/cebfw=; X-YMail-OSG: ZgaIfAMVM1lLZok1KA8i_ULWPOeGs6PXpknfZyJsImrOi0QtwtFAmHOYnUAzU56ceRBXr3y.UwTx.UPOWi.FatBTRLgjUpuRreMNcSkgr7KQdJMS._OQo.ocx0KYLrOx_NnoEg-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:18:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] WTB SmartMedia memory chip To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48F5FE3F.5030900@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <573301.6430.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 18:16:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f6176b50131023412894 Believe it or not I am still using a SM chip in a camera that belongs to the company that I work for. Little 1.3 megapixel Fuji camera. Thing wont "break"! LOL!! I cant get the company to get a new one until it does! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 21:16:07 2008 Received: (qmail 28430 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 19:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 19:16:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2F9C60B8; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:54:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:54:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fed1rmmtao101.cox.net (fed1rmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.241.45]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E11C8DB5 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:48:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081015174858.OOSP6175.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:48:58 -0400 Received: from microndesktop ([68.231.166.251]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id T5oy1a00A5RmP9w045oy15; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:48:58 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sOWy_hzjEigA:10 a=pNwZGzf6O3AA:10 a=8yeDihMhkxMA:10 a=XzkkblASVapjNKVB8hkA:9 a=XyEjFCT3aJVzH1ArZBsA:7 a=dn6Xc0h02_HpwVczvLUYL8a0SysA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Johann Thorsson" To: References: <9f07ac840808220608q2171c688pc78bcb15e241aa6c@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840810130200g7a8ed051n7318b85dd02e8228@mail.gmail.com> <29C1B0FB-EEF1-44B5-B021-714C3748BDA0@frozenlight.eu> <9f07ac840810140240k4432635bq80a7f2535624c47c@mail.gmail.com> <48F51E9F.8080403@roadrunner.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus ED 50-200mm f2.8/3.5 zoom Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:46:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: johann@tamu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 21:16:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f64177316711946193717 I have both the 14-54 and 50-200. I think they are comparable in terms of image quality, superb actually. I have some problems with the 50-200 related to build quality, as mine has an annoying lens creep, something I have not seen reported from other users - anyone else experiencing this? The focus is also a bit slow, at least on E-1, but everyone knows that. Oh yes, and it is heavy. I would still recommend it to anyone, think it should be in everyones arsenal. J John Hudson wrote: > Does anyone have any comments on the build quality and performance of the > 50-200mm digital zoom? > > When measured against the images taken with the 12-60, 14-54 and 11-22 > lenses, would the quality of the image from the 50-200 compare less than, > equally to or more favourably to those with any one of the three lenses > mentioned? > > John Hudson ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 15 23:45:44 2008 Received: (qmail 367 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 21:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 21:45:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969DAC6B74; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:37:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:37:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B40C58B7 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:27:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [77.209.28.34] (port=49827) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1KqDu8-0006lA-1N (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:27:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Picture a Day discussion group , Leica Users Group , LEG , olympus@ml.free.fr Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Nathan Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 15/10/2008: a Madrid =?US-ASCII?Q?se=F1orita?= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:27:36 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 15 23:45:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f6648887011234514069 I catch them wherever I can. And since I am in Madrid today and tomorrow, that is where I hunt: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#394920792_PryZA-O-LB Saludos, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 00:25:56 2008 Received: (qmail 14109 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 22:25:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 22:25:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E661EC5FBB; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:16:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:16:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id CA8D1C3CF1 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:05:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3656 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 22:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 22:05:22 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <49277FED-62C1-4AA5-8A19-A81834816FED@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Compact Micro 4/3rds Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:05:19 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 00:25:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f66df4193011035110158 Just received an invite to a product preview on the 28th with an embargo/threat of death if I reveal anything for about a week after that. So, the world is about 3 weeks away from knowing what Oly is up to with this system. I'm expecting something rather different to the Panny G1 but who knows?! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 00:33:17 2008 Received: (qmail 668 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 22:33:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 22:33:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3834FC50F4; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:29:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:29:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D0DC8904 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:12:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081015221239.OEUQ8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:12:39 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id TACf1a0094vDLwc02ACfSw; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:12:39 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5UIvkxrONWWQ0ZF-DjYA:9 a=n-_me_S7u-_EDeOfTzn0rhIepZcA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <01350461FE5947B1B2446735BD73EF14@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <48F13A93.7070300@m93.myzen.co.uk> <029E3B4F-F8E4-4CE9-A4D5-C03CBD71A085@threeshoes.net> <48F1DF9A.3050503@m93.myzen.co.uk> <48F1EBFD.9050703@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] fair warning Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:12:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 00:33:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f66fad144281234514069 I just spoke to someone that qualifies as a reliable source. He h as heard t hat Dwayne's is either about to or already has shut down t he Kodachrome line. Oh, well, if it meant all that much to me, I would have used some. bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 02:09:44 2008 Received: (qmail 5103 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 00:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 00:09:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81004C2F77; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:09:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:09:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.65]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 02F08C344A for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:08:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 55858 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2008 00:08:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=SWDnPXsEV5tsB2TPIi05WH9jNZSPUj4SoOe/jKQgnwacscQGJetrqrNOq5p5Lc3lFm/t/YTzj2DvYtM9p4/67pwzgI0Q0HjCmNOM/u9/bFRys/ocODWIkkI58b1tL9xAc01He65Wup1p6DXFQlKwO2gNx16i2lSzB1ILyzhJ/7k=; X-YMail-OSG: M_Xq1_0VM1kwpglkVq2SwtR6CrtSO_ztXq_iirQnvD1AOzfib2bGuOHjXUh.HkBxsQn5o6PTm4.8_KbKJIahM2ZpOLNmL1Op2uq2AnqzVp1fbt5D8ZDes4o96soiDXSweIQkJ7Sj.mofc65ATA1wm5aGizI- Received: from [72.75.195.127] by web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:08:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:08:44 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: fair warning To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <01350461FE5947B1B2446735BD73EF14@SueHome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <255130.54668.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 02:09:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f6864832841585427447 Oh no! Was their business slow? --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Sue Pearce wrote: > From: Sue Pearce > Subject: [OM] fair warning > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 6:12 PM > I just spoke to someone that qualifies as a reliable > source. He h as heard > t hat Dwayne's is either about to or already has shut > down t he Kodachrome > line. > > Oh, well, if it meant all that much to me, I would have > used some. > > bill Pearce > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 02:26:15 2008 Received: (qmail 13480 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 00:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 00:26:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7A9C3104; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:26:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:26:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4711FC310F for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:26:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50418 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KqGgj-00081C-5x for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:26:01 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:25:59 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: fair warning From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: fair warning Thread-Index: AckvJcMVAZuXkZsZEd2WJwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <255130.54668.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 02:26:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f68a27298441585427447 They're the only Kodachrome lab in the world now. I don't think they closed....Kodak would have announced it and Dwayne's website would say so too. Another silly rumor. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 10/15/08 8:08 PM, "AS" wrote: > > Oh no! Was their business slow? > > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Sue Pearce wrote: > >> From: Sue Pearce >> Subject: [OM] fair warning >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 6:12 PM >> I just spoke to someone that qualifies as a reliable >> source. He h as heard >> t hat Dwayne's is either about to or already has shut >> down t he Kodachrome >> line. >> >> Oh, well, if it meant all that much to me, I would have >> used some. >> >> bill Pearce >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 09:47:00 2008 Received: (qmail 29827 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 07:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 07:46:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C48C2E56; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:46:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:46:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-1.orange.nl (smtp-1.orange.nl [193.252.22.241]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9832CC2DDD for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:46:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6002.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 79C2C7000087 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:46:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6002.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 42E077000084 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:46:47 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081016074647274.42E077000084@mwinf6002.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 15/10/2008: a Madrid seqorita Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:46:45 +0200 Message-ID: <2137609168844EB6AF44C26126EEBD7E@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 09:47:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f6f174232334673671140 Happy hunting! And keep sending the grand prize to us ;-)) Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Nathan > Verzonden: woensdag 15 oktober 2008 23:28 > Aan: Picture a Day discussion group; Leica Users Group; LEG; > olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Nathan's PAD 15/10/2008: a Madrid seqorita > > > > I catch them wherever I can. And since I am in Madrid today and > tomorrow, that is where I hunt: > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#394920792_PryZA-O-LB Saludos, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 12:59:53 2008 Received: (qmail 9702 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 10:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 10:59:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A016C3FE5; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:59:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:59:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABADCC296A for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:57:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so338423eyd.5 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:57:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mCVWqNzT+9xLWXA0h6KBmQr+20acvSPy6KhVNZ1zKIw=; b=pvOCl8jLV02BaP4kjdE3IJiTCr1rBs0flJ1DnlO9T4RVO596iYqnEhxPHCiBJPOke2 mwNoIa2epWYrHwiRdTdSBaM9UsQJLNyOZTHKZ43LYydbowV6Ln5YpsUCfJirVdhojF0V 65cDop3/5SEbvQoh19xmNE1VZt98FHC2Y78Ic= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QrgZeOPPtGesIuArZC38b0mnzQ0Z7pN8x/FHspZkMOB1lmLASYm+cxVCTPpeYp5zun nTXASazmVl5QOAmHJ6OPpwEMzw21gsoxfiRZmwb6tmGtUpWbdTv9S4YutHe4XdspklYs LOUb7rMOtBmwJia9VhJNVWTajx9PZ3iJHfq8s= Received: by 10.210.45.17 with SMTP id s17mr2678608ebs.168.1224154624572; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ianwmac.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k9sm6561523nfh.23.2008.10.16.03.57.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48F71DFE.7070609@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:57:02 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] trial and tribulations and My first A3+ print References: <2137609168844EB6AF44C26126EEBD7E@Breedbeeld> In-Reply-To: <2137609168844EB6AF44C26126EEBD7E@Breedbeeld> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 12:59:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f71ea94643675314703 This week I succeeding in printing my first A3+ print, a goal I have had for at least 25 years, at first I was thwarted by cost and film quality and my ability, then over the years this changed to scanner and PC hardware and then software, but finally two years ago the scanner, pc hardware and software (ok I use a mac but same is true for both) reached a sufficient quality and speed level for me to see the quality results I knew was achievable. This week I managed to get my dual monitor setup roughly matched, why is that so difficult, I have a colour munki and calibrated both yet still there is a difference in colour between them, I managed by adjusting brightness and contrast on both to get them close enough for my wife and I to be happy though we both prefer the main dell. Why does sRGB provide such a different look on different monitors. A couple of months ago I bought an epson R2880 and thought now I have no excuse, what I find is that a print from the r2880 doesn't look so much better than my cheap 890 photo but at least it will do A3+ and black and white should look better, but I was disappointed that it was not 5 times better as it is the latest technology and inks. I spent quite a few hours trying to print from aperture and mostly the prints were dark and if I increased the gamma they looked washed, but then I read than epson have a plugin for photoshop so I exported from aperture to photoshop and then used the plugin. Prints were still a bit dark so I lightened in photoshop and then found they looked pretty close to the monitor colours and not so washed out. I selected an image from my library - it was an E3 image and I first printed it at A4 then decided to unpack the E3+ paper and have a go, foolishly I thought I would apply some LCE before printing it large, it was an image of a child so it made it a bit harsh, still it came out almost the right colour and brightness (close enough though for a hobbyist like me). so finally I made it, it has been a long and time consuming struggle, which with more funds and time I am sure I could have finished much earlier. Now I will search for a suitable OM shot photo as a next candidate, maybe even one I took 25 years ago. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 13:10:55 2008 Received: (qmail 28418 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 11:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 11:10:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91356C3736; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:10:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:10:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C15C3A87 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:10:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239D3B0631 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:10:21 +1100 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kge7sGKuRBKH for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:10:17 +1100 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75DAB05E3 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:10:17 +1100 (EST) Received: from c211-30-67-111.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au ([211.30.67.111] helo=[10.0.1.3]) by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KqQkO-0006hE-GT for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:10:28 +1100 Message-Id: From: Brent To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <2137609168844EB6AF44C26126EEBD7E@Breedbeeld> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] OT Cheap lens X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:10:27 +1100 References: <2137609168844EB6AF44C26126EEBD7E@Breedbeeld> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brutherford@wildskies.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 13:10:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7213f28482336821329 Hi Totally OT, well, apart from the Adaptall2 -> OM adapter on top of the OM -> EOS adapter. Picked up a lens on the 'bay for about $15 - Tamron model 103A 80-210mm f3.8-4. Very impressed with it! Took some snaps with it this afternoon on the Canon 350D body, although am intending to give it a try on my OM gear when I get more time. This one although a rather cliche subject turned out particularly sharp I thought (handheld, flower beside road): http://phogra.com/g/v/Tamron/Canon+350D+Tamron+80-210+Macro+4.jpg.html Full size image: http://phogra.com/g/d/106-1/Canon+350D+Tamron+80-210+Macro+4.jpg Testing "Macro" (on-camera flash, not cropped, handheld): http://phogra.com/g/v/Tamron/Canon+350D+Tamron+80-210+Macro+1.jpg.html This one cropped a bit: http://phogra.com/g/v/Tamron/Canon+350D+Tamron+80-210+Macro+28.jpg.html Has anyone else tried out the old Tamrons? I read an earlier post that the 90mm / 2.5 Macro is a bit legendary (and seems to command pretty good prices as a result). Are there any other decent quality bargains out there? Brent ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 13:31:16 2008 Received: (qmail 30239 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 11:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 11:31:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514CEC27C7; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:31:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:31:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from osprey.londonmet.ac.uk (osprey.londonmet.ac.uk [163.167.84.4]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74904C2918 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:31:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [82.45.242.102] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by osprey.londonmet.ac.uk with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.41) id 1KqR3q-0000eL-Ih for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:30:34 +0100 Message-ID: <48F725DC.9060302@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:30:36 +0100 From: james king User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT Cheap lens References: <2137609168844EB6AF44C26126EEBD7E@Breedbeeld> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-LondonMetropolitanUniversity-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 13:31:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7260470031073733319 I found that the tamron 90 2.5 does not work with my Canon 5D. I get a bright spot in the centre which intensifies and reduces in diameter as you stop down. Wide open I find the Canon 100mm macro to be far better although the Canon is not cheap and you don't even got a hood or lens case... I love the Tamron 80-200 2.8 adaptal 2 (picked it up second hand on ebay from a Canadian shop for about 200 pounds inc hood, box, tripod collar etc) and it works so well on my 5D I have never even considered buying the Canon 70-200 f2.8. It works well for night photography the only time I have been a little disapointed in it is using it very very close to its minimum focusing distance. My father reports good results with the Tamron 24mm on his Sony alpha 100 - I have not tried it myself. Brent wrote: > Hi > > Totally OT, well, apart from the Adaptall2 -> OM adapter on top of the > OM -> EOS adapter. > > Picked up a lens on the 'bay for about $15 - Tamron model 103A > 80-210mm f3.8-4. Very impressed with it! Took some snaps with it > this afternoon on the Canon 350D body, although am intending to give > it a try on my OM gear when I get more time. > > This one although a rather cliche subject turned out particularly > sharp I thought (handheld, flower beside road): > http://phogra.com/g/v/Tamron/Canon+350D+Tamron+80-210+Macro+4.jpg.html > > Full size image: > http://phogra.com/g/d/106-1/Canon+350D+Tamron+80-210+Macro+4.jpg > > Testing "Macro" (on-camera flash, not cropped, handheld): > http://phogra.com/g/v/Tamron/Canon+350D+Tamron+80-210+Macro+1.jpg.html > > This one cropped a bit: > http://phogra.com/g/v/Tamron/Canon+350D+Tamron+80-210+Macro+28.jpg.html > > Has anyone else tried out the old Tamrons? I read an earlier post > that the 90mm / 2.5 Macro is a bit legendary (and seems to command > pretty good prices as a result). Are there any other decent quality > bargains out there? > > Brent > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 14:08:25 2008 Received: (qmail 28174 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 12:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 12:08:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D52C3DB3; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:07:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:07:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5451C3A88 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:06:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.191]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8T00J6VYY4YV91@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:06:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:06:18 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] WTB SmartMedia memory chip In-reply-to: <48F5FE3F.5030900@verizon.net> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48F72E3A.4070104@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840810150200h1bc0add5te942b64b0ce4b5b1@mail.gmail.com> <3048669FF5AD4E6D93F6A2D06A044574@user4fec106f50> <9f07ac840810150301p7204dac6tbda131d4d35897d3@mail.gmail.com> <48F5FE3F.5030900@verizon.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 14:08:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f72eb9118071234514069 Just give me your address, I'll mail it to you. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html John Hermanson wrote: > I have a 128 I used to use with the E-10. You can have it for $10 S&H. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Jez Cunningham wrote: >> Thanks Dave - they used to supply me (in Belgium) but they won't any more. >> It's my son in UK who wants one so I'll point him that way. >> Still a shocking price (considering this is MB not GB) isn't it! No-one got >> a 64MB laying about in a drawer? >> cheers >> jez >> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:06 AM, David W Bell wrote: >> >>> >>> 128mb here however I think they only supply to UK >>> >>> >>> http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_6&products_id=696 >>> 1 >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: jez.cunningham@gmail.com [mailto:jez.cunningham@gmail.com] On Behalf >>> Of Jez Cunningham >>> Sent: 15 October 2008 10:00 >>> To: olympus >>> Subject: [OM] [OT] WTB SmartMedia memory chip >>> >>> >>> Just looking for a 64MB 3v SmartMedia chip - anyone? >>> cheers >>> jez >>> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 16:14:24 2008 Received: (qmail 26384 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 14:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 14:14:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A37C365C; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:14:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:14:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0646AC3252 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:13:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20081016141358.CJDI2285.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:13:58 +0100 Received: from user4fec106f50 ([81.99.10.243]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20081016141358.BUJS22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@user4fec106f50> for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:13:58 +0100 From: "David W Bell" To: References: <9f07ac840810150200h1bc0add5te942b64b0ce4b5b1@mail.gmail.com> <3048669FF5AD4E6D93F6A2D06A044574@user4fec106f50> <9f07ac840810150301p7204dac6tbda131d4d35897d3@mail.gmail.com> <48F5FE3F.5030900@verizon.net> <48F72E3A.4070104@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Olympus IS-1000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:13:47 +0100 Message-ID: <25E0C62FC3FE4BA5A963DDAE64204173@user4fec106f50> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <48F72E3A.4070104@verizon.net> Thread-Index: Ackvh+SmeTfI/QwCTh6rzlj+6uq4oQAEOjwg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=tHhWv41zlS-Qy6XzklsA:9 a=QoybB8SKhzwirax2PfTLXAy-3wMA:4 a=Cm1lGbVOD8AA:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: david.w.bell@ntlworld.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 16:14:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f74c40274378512572685 My daughter has one of these and it has developed a fault. When loaded and the back closed it still flashes with the symbol "back open" and as a result renders the camera inoperable. Anyone worked on one of these? Is there a switch somewhere which the back contacts? Or is it now a large paperweight? Dave > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 16:33:59 2008 Received: (qmail 32262 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 14:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 14:33:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942CCC4706; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:33:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:33:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms172069pub.verizon.net (vms172069pub.verizon.net [206.46.172.69]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487C1C2B6B for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:23:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.191]) by vms172069.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8U00BHI5BAXIY1@vms172069.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:23:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:23:34 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus IS-1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48F74E66.50803@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 16:33:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f750d7172751073733319 When I was an Olympus subcontractor, I did IS-1, 1000, L-1 (same model). You can send it anytime. Don't see many of them anymore. John On 10/16/2008 10:13:47 AM, David W Bell (david.w.bell@ntlworld.com) wrote: > My daughter has one of these and it has developed a fault. When loaded > and > the back closed it still flashes with the symbol "back open" and as a > result > renders the camera inoperable. > > Anyone worked on one of these? Is there a switch somewhere which the back > contacts? > > Or is it now a large paperweight? > > Dave > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -- ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 16:40:15 2008 Received: (qmail 29560 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 14:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 14:40:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E78DC4BE4; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:40:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:40:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D289C31F1 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.246.18.191]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8U00NM25C849D0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:24:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:24:08 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: is that a big job? In-reply-to: <48F725DC.9060302@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48F74E88.10805@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <2137609168844EB6AF44C26126EEBD7E@Breedbeeld> <48F725DC.9060302@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 16:40:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7524f298871234514069 Very anxious customer called, said he was going to Hawaii on Monday. He turned on his digital P&S and the entire lens assembly fell off. He wanted to know if THAT was a big repair job. Also he was shocked to hear that it was probably caused by impact damage and repair price would be more than a new camera. A good start for the day! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 17:16:12 2008 Received: (qmail 22283 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 15:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 15:16:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E01C5149; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:15:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:15:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90476C4DD9 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:11:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so15332eyd.5 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:11:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=9ajbWN61A6cnKM4xfT6phwjxZT4kMv3BNsxAb9wjpPY=; b=mDq2dzDtzTcbCytCBDE9sKdG3w5fnnzEpuQv9KUTJ6tRiKCuWJKT7eOSxBlRgBWL7J uvXaqwkwx4LqETDMDWCQ2BXLLdl/STh96O2hmAwf2Qpgt5SrQlq9rgzYXgeU1OFbAs0+ 9SjisYflTYRzOXTY7SkHjewPet6uWB2PiZ2jU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=it0sLax7+1ER/4XwqJJKRle/nqrAdfJbISGS91fBR0Ybli5Va1Y1fq8daSKR7/dPFE +p8FqoiAQQnGMSwSMp9FhaBJN1nj1NElAbO7HaUMCL4KS2NAw2205dDI5pMVP96MaJEO WDZlCsVeSOUwchHB5i1dPNrOyI1A7M/BT1r24= Received: by 10.210.21.6 with SMTP id 6mr3018951ebu.99.1224169298888; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.16.3 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <86d5d0470810160801u6a7d281eq377ef0a03eed43ee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:01:38 -0500 From: "Komtanoo Pinpimai" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: is that a big job? In-Reply-To: <48F74E88.10805@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <2137609168844EB6AF44C26126EEBD7E@Breedbeeld> <48F725DC.9060302@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <48F74E88.10805@verizon.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: romerun@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 17:16:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f75abc218701702588592 for repairing thing like this, either DIY or have it done in those countries where labor is cheap. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:24 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > > Very anxious customer called, said he was going to Hawaii on Monday. He > turned on his digital P&S and the entire lens assembly fell off. He > wanted to know if THAT was a big repair job. Also he was shocked to > hear that it was probably caused by impact damage and repair price would > be more than a new camera. A good start for the day! > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > -- Hurt recalls you're still alive. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 17:19:56 2008 Received: (qmail 23179 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 15:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 15:19:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2F0C40B1; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:19:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:19:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from MAILSCAN1.sslisp.com (outmail.sslisp.com [65.61.49.74]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A732EC482E for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:14:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [4.154.202.236]) by MAILSCAN1.sslisp.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.4.568.66) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:14:49 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 4.154.202.236=OK;rlovison@gmail.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 4.154.202.236=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 4.154.202.236=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: <48F75A63.8070402@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:14:43 -0400 From: Richard Lovison User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] OM lenses for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081015-0, 10/15/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rlovison@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 17:19:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f75b9c40014673671140 I have three OM lenses for sale. I thought I would list them here first before sending them to *bay. All are in excellent shape cosmetically. Both front and rear elements are without scratches, apertures work freely and there is no internal fungus as far as I can tell. They are as follows: 85-250mm/5 with Olympus caps, built-in lens hood and tripod ring - $85 35-70mm/4 with generic caps and lens hood - $45 21mm/3.5 with Olympus caps and lens hood, minor wear on aperture ring - $350 Shipping and a 3% PayPal fee would be added to the total -- I also would accept a check for payment. I would rather keep the shipping within the U.S. though I will consider shipping overseas. Chris Crawford purchased my OM4t so if you need a reference please contact him. A return can be made without question within 10 days and I will refund the purchase price minus shipping and PayPal fees. If you feel I misrepresented the condition of the lens I will refund the purchase price plus shipping both ways and PayPal fees if any. The selling prices are not etched in stone and I'll consider any reasonable offer. Contact me off list if interested. Thanks. Richard Lovison www.richardlovison.com rlovison at gmail dot com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 17:29:40 2008 Received: (qmail 2012 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 15:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 15:29:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C14CC58AE; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:29:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:29:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.62]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 565FAC4672 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:20:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 83541 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2008 15:20:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=qrBF8rwy9gPSD2tao+ItJCBL2+up4ejwte2en2HzF1P2HQa8twyH40eEdk4D99B+G4FPt+cfNLBriNk2xuoPjkzfTPcJ7XA6v8mj7uLC1wxb/+iLUlQdzQSiUlqLAQG38zybdM1Ewv4XepYdHEKO9FYx90JILqErTdXRbFfpm+o=; X-YMail-OSG: QLosTXEVM1ng.ep4p2jXQAeHByGGxOkcJiE2InPpdFirOCSH99tVy_agEEdhtXTlbm8FMDMblqSwhgdvZfrYx0o872uZd3.2LKyV77WgEwLQxnGru_lrn2.C9IKPX0zsKsP.E16BFSZ2SGMdDV_x4H.5fFQ- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:20:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:20:54 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: is that a big job? To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48F74E88.10805@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <798324.83318.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 17:29:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f75de4151217350615338 Poor guy! Sad that these things are meant to be tossed once they break! --- On Thu, 10/16/08, John Hermanson wrote: > From: John Hermanson > Subject: [OM] Re: is that a big job? > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:24 AM > Very anxious customer called, said he was going to Hawaii on > Monday. He > turned on his digital P&S and the entire lens assembly > fell off. He > wanted to know if THAT was a big repair job. Also he was > shocked to > hear that it was probably caused by impact damage and > repair price would > be more than a new camera. A good start for the day! > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 17:46:55 2008 Received: (qmail 25412 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 15:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 15:46:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787CCC4DD4; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:46:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:46:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9387C5DEE for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:34:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.bc2.348760c2 (30737) for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:34:04 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:34:03 EDT Subject: [OM] Re: OT Cheap lens To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 17:46:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f761ef252337350615338 I don't know about bargains, however many of us use Tamron SP series lenses. Those currently residing in my stable include: 17mm f3.5, 24-48mm, 90mm f2.5, 70-150 soft focus, 180mm f2.5, 80-200mm f2.8, 300mm f2.8 & 400mm f4. I've had several others including the 60-300 which is a good one. Bill Barber In a message dated 10/16/2008 6:11:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, brutherford@wildskies.net writes: Has anyone else tried out the old Tamrons? I read an earlier post that the 90mm / 2.5 Macro is a bit legendary (and seems to command pretty good prices as a result). Are there any other decent quality bargains out there? **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 19:40:03 2008 Received: (qmail 16968 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 17:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 17:40:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8328CC5617; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:38:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:38:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B05C4861 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:13:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KqVTC-0007fT-DT for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:13:02 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: OT Cheap lens Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:12:58 +0100 Message-ID: <00ac01c92faa$0e932580$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckvpmmgU7VplhpDSlWam6LQQVUg6wAA1vpQ X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081015-0, 15/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 19:40:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f77c73157531529615919 I can echo your thoughts, Bill, though I haven't used all of those you list. Moose might well have beaten me to mention the 35-80/2.8-3.8 which is usually a real bargain nowadays. The 500mm mirror is worth looking for too. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of NSURIT@aol.com Sent: 16 October 2008 16:34 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT Cheap lens I don't know about bargains, however many of us use Tamron SP series lenses. Those currently residing in my stable include: 17mm f3.5, 24-48mm, 90mm f2.5, 70-150 soft focus, 180mm f2.5, 80-200mm f2.8, 300mm f2.8 & 400mm f4. I've had several others including the 60-300 which is a good one. Bill Barber In a message dated 10/16/2008 6:11:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, brutherford@wildskies.net writes: Has anyone else tried out the old Tamrons? I read an earlier post that the 90mm / 2.5 Macro is a bit legendary (and seems to command pretty good prices as a result). Are there any other decent quality bargains out there? **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 22:13:53 2008 Received: (qmail 628 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 20:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 20:13:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF60C7707; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:11:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:11:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FC6C61B6 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:27:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K8U004WUGCOMK20@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:22:00 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-164-61.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.164.61]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:31:03 -0300 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:21:58 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: is that a big job? To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <957F15BEDA6B4DCC9202D68CF05F0CB3@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak0OAGcj90gY4KQ9/2dsb2JhbACBbIgbsxUJhxMHgml8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,425,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="202314276" References: <2137609168844EB6AF44C26126EEBD7E@Breedbeeld> <48F725DC.9060302@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <48F74E88.10805@verizon.net> <86d5d0470810160801u6a7d281eq377ef0a03eed43ee@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 22:13:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7a081307309117217770 ............ with cheap labour you get melamine in your milk and baby food ! I'd think that most folk would prefer the finer pastures of Long Island, NY Just my two bits. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Komtanoo Pinpimai" To: Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: [OM] Re: is that a big job? > > for repairing thing like this, either DIY or have it done in those > countries > where labor is cheap. > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:24 AM, John Hermanson > wrote: > >> >> Very anxious customer called, said he was going to Hawaii on Monday. He >> turned on his digital P&S and the entire lens assembly fell off. He >> wanted to know if THAT was a big repair job. Also he was shocked to >> hear that it was probably caused by impact damage and repair price would >> be more than a new camera. A good start for the day! >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> omtech1 AT verizon.net >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > -- > Hurt recalls you're still alive. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 22:15:37 2008 Received: (qmail 12710 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 20:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 20:15:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C1CC8186; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:05:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:05:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95786C626E for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:20:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3600 invoked by uid 502); 16 Oct 2008 18:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.174.125) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Oct 2008 18:20:38 -0000 Message-ID: <48F785ED.3080303@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:20:29 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT Cheap lens References: <2137609168844EB6AF44C26126EEBD7E@Breedbeeld> <48F725DC.9060302@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <48F725DC.9060302@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 22:15:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7a0e949551073733319 james king wrote: > I found that the tamron 90 2.5 does not work with my Canon 5D. I get a bright spot in the centre which intensifies and reduces in diameter as you stop down. This is a not uncommon problem with DSLRs and older MF macro lenses. It's a result of reflections between flat or close to flat lens element surface(s), generally the back of the rear element, and the shiny front surface of the sensor assembly. I've used a Tamron 90/2.5 on my 5D for macro without the effect you mention. Probably because the elements are farther away when focused close. Mine is the earlier version with 49mm filter ring, but I think it and the later, 55m filter version are the same optically. > Wide open I find the Canon 100mm macro to be far better although the Canon is not cheap and you don't even got a hood or lens case... > I did some fairly careful testing of Tamron 90/2.5, Kiron 105/2.8, Zuiko 50/3.5 and new Tamron 90/2.8 Di. The 50/3.5 clearly won over the old MF Tamron and Kiron at 1:2, not only with better center and edge resolution, but with much less vignetting. A really sharp, clear image. At 1:1, the 50/3.5 fell behind a little. The other two had different image qualities, but were essentially equal to each other. That makes sense, as the Kiron focuses to 1:1 directly and the Tamron had a 1:1 adapter made for it, while the 50/3.5 was optimized for 1:2, with other, true macro, Zuikos designed for greater magnification. The AF Tamron was the winner at both magnifications over all the other lenses, although only by a nose over the 50/3.5 at 1:2. I know it's plastic, and all that, but it clearly benefits from improvements in lens design materials and technology over the last 2+ decades. There's been a great change in lens performance over the last several years that lots of folks don't seem to have picked up on. Many modern lenses, prime and zoom, have optimum performance at or near wide open. It's a result of newer optical glasses and aspherical elements. So, for example, my tests showed the Tamron 90/2.8 to be noticeably better at f2.8 than f8 for flat subject macro work at 1:1 and 1:2. Pop Photo's test of the lens in their latest issue shows the same thing. I find this a mixed blessing for macro, as I usually want a small aperture for DOF. The old MF macros I tested, as expected, had optimum apertures around f8-11. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 22:16:30 2008 Received: (qmail 20282 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 20:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 20:16:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C0AC7880; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:08:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:08:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl39.gs02.gridserver.com (cl39.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2654C7319 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:23:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jordan.wireless.ipfw.edu ([149.164.240.12]:60848) by cl39.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KqXVI-0003lh-L9 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:23:21 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:24:21 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: OM lenses for sale From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] OM lenses for sale Thread-Index: AckvvGh6p09BZpuvEd2QegARJNJOGA== In-Reply-To: <48F75A63.8070402@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 22:16:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7a11e299241591313764 Richard sent me the OM-4T fast and it looked damn near new. My girlfriend loves it! I'd definitely buy from him again if I had any more money...lol (lusting after that 21mm....) -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 10/16/08 11:14 AM, "Richard Lovison" wrote: > > I have three OM lenses for sale. I thought I would list them here first > before sending them to *bay. All are in excellent shape cosmetically. > Both front and rear elements are without scratches, apertures work > freely and there is no internal fungus as far as I can tell. They are as > follows: > > 85-250mm/5 with Olympus caps, built-in lens hood and tripod ring - $85 > 35-70mm/4 with generic caps and lens hood - $45 > 21mm/3.5 with Olympus caps and lens hood, minor wear on aperture ring - $350 > > Shipping and a 3% PayPal fee would be added to the total -- I also would > accept a check for payment. I would rather keep the shipping within the > U.S. though I will consider shipping overseas. > > Chris Crawford purchased my OM4t so if you need a reference please > contact him. A return can be made without question within 10 days and I > will refund the purchase price minus shipping and PayPal fees. If you > feel I misrepresented the condition of the lens I will refund the > purchase price plus shipping both ways and PayPal fees if any. The > selling prices are not etched in stone and I'll consider any reasonable > offer. > > Contact me off list if interested. Thanks. > > Richard Lovison > www.richardlovison.com > rlovison at gmail dot com > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 22:24:13 2008 Received: (qmail 30487 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 20:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 20:24:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB62C63EA; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:23:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:23:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.harbornet.com (smtp.harbornet.com [199.2.132.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC095C71AC for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:44:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([216.174.237.242]) by smtp.harbornet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m9GKSdGW009039 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48F79996.3000905@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:44:22 -0700 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: fair warning References: <48F13A93.7070300@m93.myzen.co.uk> <029E3B4F-F8E4-4CE9-A4D5-C03CBD71A085@threeshoes.net> <48F1DF9A.3050503@m93.myzen.co.uk> <48F1EBFD.9050703@gmail.com> <01350461FE5947B1B2446735BD73EF14@SueHome> In-Reply-To: <01350461FE5947B1B2446735BD73EF14@SueHome> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 22:24:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7a2ed37811035110158 I don't understand why folks pass these rumors along unchecked, especially when it is so easy. I e-mailed Dwayne's last night and asked Are you still processing 35mm Kodachrome slide film? To which I received the following answer" " Thank You for your question. Yes, we are. I've attached the order form for you. Please let me know if you require additional assistance. Sincerely, Krystal" Jim Couch ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 22:31:03 2008 Received: (qmail 18726 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 20:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 20:31:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E7DC2B8E; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:30:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:30:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C87C4144 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:21:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [204.210.85.179]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081016202152.YGGN5091.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:21:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Hello Again, and For Sale Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:21:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 22:31:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7a48769371342116753 Well, for better or worse, I'm back. Many thanx for the private and public prayers and good thoughts for Number 2 Son. FYI, Ben's medical condition currently is stable. Site of infection never found. He's currently on suppression therapy for the infection. (That means he gets enough antibiotics daily to keep the bacteria under control.) It's been a hard ride through a long night. Now, we're trying to resume some semblance of normal existence. Well, what passes for normal around here. Particularly in an election year. Looks like the D3 is here to stay, and the conversion to Nykon is complete. So I've got some surplus Olympus gear to pass along to any who might want it. I've been trying to decide whether to keep it as back up, but it's just sitting in a bag unused, and that doesn't seem right. This gear has done well for me, and captured many a satisfying--not to mention profitable--image. I really do hesitate to let it go, particularly after handling it and being reminded of how compact and light it is compared to that howitzer of a D3 I'm toting around now. E-1, Body, battery. Used but not abused. No cracks, dents or dings, at least not that my tired old eyes can see. $200 US Evolt 510, Same as above. $275 US DZ 14-54, Used but not abused. Glass getting dusty from lack of use, but nothing that a little TLC won't take care of. $250 US DZ 5-200, same as above. Not the new SWD. $500 US DZ 1.4 teleconverter. Virtually indistinguishable from new. $250 US Prices don't include shipping. I'll charge what it costs to ship, insured or not, depending on where you are and what you want. Those of you who are not in the continental US can decide how you want it shipped, and declared. I'm easy, and I'm not interested in making a profit on shipping. I've got a bunch of batteries, all but one original Oly gear. I'll split them between the E-1 and the E-510. And, truth to tell, I think I've still got all the boxes and cases, but I'd have to look to be sure. I tend to keep that stuff. There's a few other Oly odds and ends I'll throw in here and there. Global Financial Collapse notwithstanding, I think the prices are close or lower than current market value. But I'm no expert, so if this isn't the case, let me know. First "I'll take---" gets it. And in deference to good manners, I think off-list would be best. bwhitmire@roadrunner.com I'll also sell at a package price if anyone wants it all. 15% off total. Thanx, --Bob www.bwp33.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 22:36:51 2008 Received: (qmail 26506 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 20:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 20:36:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4B9C4315; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:36:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:36:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mailscan2.sslisp.com (outmail.sslisp.com [65.61.49.74]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB9CC4495 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:36:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [4.156.81.61]) by mailscan2.sslisp.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.4.568.66) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:36:00 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 4.156.81.61=OK;rlovison@gmail.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 4.156.81.61=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 4.156.81.61=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: <48F7A5B1.2000006@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:36:01 -0400 From: Richard Lovison User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OM lenses for sale References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081015-0, 10/15/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rlovison@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 22:36:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7a5e3322417350615338 Chris, Thanks for the reference. :) It's nice to hear the 4t is being utilized and is valued. All the best, Richard Chris Crawford wrote: > Richard sent me the OM-4T fast and it looked damn near new. My girlfriend > loves it! I'd definitely buy from him again if I had any more money...lol > (lusting after that 21mm....) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 23:04:09 2008 Received: (qmail 2569 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 21:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 21:04:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00A6C3400; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:03:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:03:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [204.127.217.102]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F88C32CD for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:03:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-65.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.65]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20081016210309H02004kqsee>; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:03:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.65] Message-ID: <00f701c92fd2$93535740$6501a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <2137609168844EB6AF44C26126EEBD7E@Breedbeeld> <48F725DC.9060302@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> Subject: [OM] Re: OT Cheap lens Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:03:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 23:04:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7ac49181442336821329 I believe I've posted this example before. The 90mm 52b (49mm thread) has the same issue with film OM bodies. I wondered why the flare was present in this photo until the last discussion of this effect a couple of years ago on the list. I seem to remember it mostly affected subject matter with high reflectance. I also seem to remember a lot of ribbing for my "Tamton 90mm Photo" subject line on another post :) http://www.bellsouthpwp.net/l/o/lostkase/snub.jpg Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "james king" To: Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: [OM] Re: OT Cheap lens > > I found that the tamron 90 2.5 does not work with my Canon 5D. I get a > bright spot in the centre which intensifies and reduces in diameter as ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 23:22:45 2008 Received: (qmail 28252 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 21:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 21:22:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1182C3B82; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:22:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:22:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1D8C44A4 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:21:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.236]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9GLLXfU014062 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:21:33 +1100 Message-Id: <200810162121.m9GLLXfU014062@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:21:33 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:21:33 +1100 Subject: [OM] Re: OT Cheap lens X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 23:22:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7b0a5155451342116753 > Bob Docherty wrote: > > > reflectance. I also seem to remember a lot of ribbing for my "Tamton > 90mm > Photo" subject line on another post :) > Yeah, well my spell checker usually wants to change "90mm Tamron" to "90mm Tampon" ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Oct 16 23:40:50 2008 Received: (qmail 6974 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 21:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 21:40:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177CCC2DD4; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:40:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:40:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [204.127.217.103]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9340C33F6 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:39:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-65.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.65]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20081016213901H0300jhbthe>; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:39:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.65] Message-ID: <012401c92fd7$95baa100$6501a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <200810162121.m9GLLXfU014062@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Subject: [OM] Re: OT Cheap lens Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:38:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Oct 16 23:40:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7b4e210831073733319 Well, I got my lens cheaply with no strings attached :) Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: [OM] Re: OT Cheap lens > > > > > >> Bob Docherty wrote: >> >> >> reflectance. I also seem to remember a lot of ribbing for my "Tamton >> 90mm >> Photo" subject line on another post :) >> > > Yeah, well my spell checker usually wants to change "90mm Tamron" to "90mm > Tampon" ! > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 00:27:20 2008 Received: (qmail 30936 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 22:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 22:27:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9175C2C17; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:27:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:27:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E68C27D7 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:27:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d4e.3c496a2a (37570) for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB047-5bbd48f7bfa41a1; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:26:58 -0400 Received: from webmail-de09 (webmail-de09.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.30]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA034-5bbd48f7bfa41a1; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:26:44 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Compact Micro 4/3rds Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:26:44 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.30) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:26:44 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAFDF567D488DA-10F8-17E8@webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 00:27:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7bfc8191411035110158 Perhaps it is a f/u to this: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092208olympus_micro_four_thirds.asp Would be very interested in your impressions, as soon as posting them will not be a fatal event. Perhaps it will be a G9/G10 killer if they can get a slightly more compact zoom. Mike Just received an invite to a product preview on the 28th with an embargo/threat of death if I reveal anything for about a week after that. So, the world is about 3 weeks away from knowing what Oly is up to with this system. I'm expecting something rather different to the Panny G1 but who knows?! Andrew Fildes ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 00:49:00 2008 Received: (qmail 202 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 22:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 22:48:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FC7C437D; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:48:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:48:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44ED4C3B70 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:48:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.bff.4a2db6bc (34929) for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA042-5c4748f7c4b8395; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:48:33 -0400 Received: from webmail-de09 (webmail-de09.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.30]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA015-5c4748f7c4b8395; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:48:24 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT Cheap lens Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:48:24 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.30) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:48:24 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAFDF86E58E288-10F8-1922@webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 00:49:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7c4dc88361591313764 And don't forget the Tam 35-105 f2.8. Dean uses the 60-300 on the autotube to good effect. Mike I don't know about bargains, however many of us use Tamron SP series lenses. Those currently residing in my stable include: 17mm f3.5, 24-48mm, 90mm f2.5, 70-150 soft focus, 180mm f2.5, 80-200mm f2.8, 300mm f2.8 & 400mm f4. I've had several others including the 60-300 which is a good one. Bill Barber ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 01:53:33 2008 Received: (qmail 12020 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2008 23:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 23:53:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF89EC27F5; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:53:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:53:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F35EC291C for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:53:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u3so105449tia.17 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:53:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hOnYxUH/qZyEunELfJ+OQnc7mzirAUOjvzqac4apnP4=; b=gzUl9tlsRM9BuEWHr8qh1Kr89RFtg+GB92hXa8huPP7L8DyawtPqpRuMkuiISncglO I5Nty54hFD2a8E7bqe1l1dijOTqbolZC4lDSBFiL/OX8MNcCIjvnHKMoQsnYJYd8YMpf JRYqkSKPVizCDXRwy5bI7JramqQyGUhC0o8jc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=odDc65Jnu53WPaEKh01NVk2SznpGwlf6jkeMWtZNQDqF7c9linB5iO/UeBbwxVzW4b j3LoEfpRNsvTfmEIuvVUJtWDpkkj4GWAf8WoioAOI4kPOLkQVA4+q+OhHkrBRNdeMx+9 tw6GXqDIsvbY3fUjNnASXz/1FOINaDsmD8vCM= Received: by 10.110.26.20 with SMTP id 20mr2484111tiz.29.1224201197126; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-172-115.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.172.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j5sm3579733tid.11.2008.10.16.16.53.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48F7D3E6.6030209@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:53:10 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Hello Again, and For Sale References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 01:53:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7d3fd104931234514069 Bob Whitmire wrote: > Well, for better or worse, I'm back. Many thanx for the private and > public prayers and good thoughts for Number 2 Son. FYI, Ben's medical > condition currently is stable. > ... Hey, good to see you again, Bob. I'm glad to hear that things have improved(?) with Ben. I was thinking just the other day how long it had been since we last heard from you, and thinking that that wasn't indicative of good news for your family. I'm very happy to be wrong, and to hear that what passes for "normal" has returned to you all. > ... > Well, what passes for normal around here. Particularly in an election > year. I know what you mean. We currently have "Australian Idol" *and* "Make Me A Supermodel" running at the same time, and I have no idea who to vote for. ;-) > Looks like the D3 is here to stay, and the conversion to Nykon is > complete. I've heard that there's something "BIG" coming into the Nikon stable in February: Perhaps you should remain "just good friends" with the D3. :-) Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 04:04:30 2008 Received: (qmail 340 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 02:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 02:04:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2DDC2EF2; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:04:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:04:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3D1C2FBC for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:04:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [204.210.85.179]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081017020416.KADF2525.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:04:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <48F7D3E6.6030209@gmail.com> References: <48F7D3E6.6030209@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <7311B0B5-22AF-4A1D-AC49-5AC0DBE3CA0F@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: Hello Again, and For Sale Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:04:08 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 04:04:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f7f2ae299869347015869 On Oct 16, 2008, at 7:53 PM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > I've heard that there's something "BIG" coming into the Nikon > stable in > February: > > declare-at-wppi> > > Perhaps you should remain "just good friends" with the D3. :-) 41MP? Wow. I'm sure I wouldn't know what to do with all that. Can't imagine needing more than the D3 delivers now, but then I couldn't imagine ever needing more than my old Nykon F with the new- fangled Photomic FTN finder. Maybe me and the D3 will remain "friends with benefits?" --Bob ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 05:02:30 2008 Received: (qmail 13392 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 03:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 03:02:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846E7C2D93; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:02:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:02:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7262C286C for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:02:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 16821 invoked by uid 518); 17 Oct 2008 03:02:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20081017030216.16820.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Hello Again, and For Sale Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:02:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 207.59.192.82 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 05:02:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f8004585241499373980 Good to see you back. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Bob Whitmire > Subject: [OM] Hello Again, and For Sale > Sent: Oct 16 '08 20:21 > > > Well, for better or worse, I'm back. Many thanx for the private and   > public prayers and good thoughts for Number 2 Son. FYI, Ben's medical   > condition currently is stable. Site of infection never found. He's   > currently on suppression therapy for the infection. (That means he   > gets enough antibiotics daily to keep the bacteria under control.)   > It's been a hard ride through a long night. Now, we're trying to   > resume some semblance of normal existence. Well, what passes for   > normal around here. Particularly in an election year. > > Looks like the D3 is here to stay, and the conversion to Nykon is   > complete. So I've got some surplus Olympus gear to pass along to any   > who might want it. I've been trying to decide whether to keep it as   > back up, but it's just sitting in a bag unused, and that doesn't seem   > right. This gear has done well for me, and captured many a   > satisfying--not to mention profitable--image. I really do hesitate to   > let it go, particularly after handling it and being reminded of how   > compact and light it is compared to that howitzer of a D3 I'm toting   > around now. > > E-1, Body, battery. Used but not abused. No cracks, dents or dings,   > at least not that my tired old eyes can see. $200 US > > Evolt 510, Same as above. $275 US > > DZ 14-54, Used but not abused. Glass getting dusty from lack of use,   > but nothing that a little TLC won't take care of. $250 US > > DZ 5-200, same as above. Not the new SWD. $500 US > > DZ 1.4 teleconverter. Virtually indistinguishable from new. $250 US > > Prices don't include shipping. I'll charge what it costs to ship,   > insured or not, depending on where you are and what you want. Those   > of you who are not in the continental US can decide how you want it   > shipped, and declared. I'm easy, and I'm not interested in making a   > profit on shipping. > > I've got a bunch of batteries, all but one original Oly gear. I'll   > split them between the E-1 and the E-510. And, truth to tell, I think   > I've still got all the boxes and cases, but I'd have to look to be   > sure. I tend to keep that stuff. There's a few other Oly odds and   > ends I'll throw in here and there. > > Global Financial Collapse notwithstanding, I think the prices are   > close or lower than current market value. But I'm no expert, so if   > this isn't the case, let me know. > > First "I'll take---" gets it. And in deference to good manners, I   > think off-list would be best. bwhitmire@roadrunner.com  I'll also   > sell at a package price if anyone wants it all. 15% off total. > > Thanx, > > --Bob > www.bwp33.com > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 06:17:29 2008 Received: (qmail 5037 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 04:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 04:17:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FC2C2F29; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:17:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:17:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B94C2C15 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:17:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:49459 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Kqgm3-0003hx-8M (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:17:16 +0000 Message-Id: <5A0F86A1-0234-4DC4-BC48-12DFBC3B8672@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] FS: 100mm Apo Macro Elmarit with Leica-Oly adapter Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:17:14 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 06:17:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f811d989361838542571 I have decided to sell my 100mm Apo Macro, the best lens I have ever owned but one that does not get much use today since I prefer to carry my Zuiko 50-200mm around instead. The lens is completely clean, with no cosmetic damage and no scratches etc. It comes with the original packaging and pouch and of course both caps. I am the first owner. I will also throw in the the Leica-Olympus adapter which allows use of this lens on any 4/3 camera body. 1000 EUR or equivalent in other currencies. Payment by bank transfer preferred, Paypal OK but add 3%. Shipping included by air mail, other method at cost. Contact me off list on photo@frozenlight.eu if interested. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 06:46:44 2008 Received: (qmail 18807 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 04:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 04:46:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11939C3768; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:46:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:46:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 425FFC382D for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:46:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30363 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 04:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 04:46:27 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <8CAFDF567D488DA-10F8-17E8@webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAFDF567D488DA-10F8-17E8@webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <2C2ED9C3-B71F-4858-8AD5-DBA68675F8AE@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Compact Micro 4/3rds Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:46:23 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 06:46:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f818b454641744846740 The local rep thinks it will look more like an old Trip 35 - when I said, "Rangefinder???!!!", he went quiet. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 17/10/2008, at 9:26 AM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > Perhaps it is a f/u to this: > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/ > 0809/08092208olympus_micro_four_thirds.asp > > Would be very interested in your impressions, as soon as posting them > will not be a fatal event. > Perhaps it will be a G9/G10 killer if they can get a slightly more > compact zoom. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 06:54:26 2008 Received: (qmail 26479 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 04:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 04:54:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CC5C318A; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:54:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:54:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id A1501C2EBF for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:54:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 32421 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 04:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 04:54:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48F7D3E6.6030209@gmail.com> References: <48F7D3E6.6030209@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <2F004DEC-CA97-40E0-9A09-0853FE6F2D96@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Hello Again, and For Sale Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:54:06 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 06:54:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f81a82267491234514069 That'll have to be a high-res D3x and/or D700+ of course. 'cos the more megapickles you got, the better the pic. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 17/10/2008, at 10:53 AM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > I've heard that there's something "BIG" coming into the Nikon > stable in > February: > > declare-at-wppi> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 08:44:12 2008 Received: (qmail 29342 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 06:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 06:44:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380BEC448E; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:43:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:43:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from osprey.londonmet.ac.uk (osprey.londonmet.ac.uk [163.167.84.4]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207A9C4243 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:43:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 82-45-242-102.cable.ubr06.dals.blueyonder.co.uk ([82.45.242.102] helo=[192.168.2.2]) by osprey.londonmet.ac.uk with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.41) id 1Kqj3e-0005un-DT for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:43:34 +0100 Message-ID: <48F83418.9050006@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:43:36 +0100 From: james king User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT Cheap lens References: <8CAFDF86E58E288-10F8-1922@webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CAFDF86E58E288-10F8-1922@webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-LondonMetropolitanUniversity-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 08:44:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f8343c21151869477228 I did some tests on the Tamron 35-105 f2.8 and was not that impressed. Wide open there was considerable corner light loss and although the centre resolution is very good I thought the edges where rather poor. It also suffered from quite a lot of barrel distortion throughout its entire range despite an aspherical element. I also thought that my sample was at best 1/2 a stop slower than f2.8 wide open. usher99@aol.com wrote: > And don't forget the Tam 35-105 f2.8. Dean uses the 60-300 on the > autotube to good effect. > Mike > > > > > I don't know about bargains, however many of us use Tamron SP series > lenses. > Those currently residing in my stable include: 17mm f3.5, 24-48mm, > 90mm > f2.5, 70-150 soft focus, 180mm f2.5, 80-200mm f2.8, 300mm f2.8 & 400mm > f4. > I've had several others including the 60-300 which is a good one. > Bill Barber > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 13:14:41 2008 Received: (qmail 5463 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 11:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 11:14:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F72C2ABE; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:14:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:14:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C0DC28CA for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:14:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so535198wah.1 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:14:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=8CX/3NkZe6nHyKYDGLzXmRSKMZZ6CSuSRboJjIvvrf0=; b=kK58Ax/limkPFXDqNxvNCWLYsw80llL7/cAlPQeiggUFlC1QzVnhQP4Kg64am6XALy 6Ntx0NOsqIviSZ6sINLxW8iCVvpugNVGBEyEU7/pyiwUiTW26Kz53Tv8yyMJT8oAKjKw ue5lhGKBifUZ4PH6yLTsHhrdziqQj6S5ePy94= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=CSlalIzownN4ox4jjiGaG/6Y7p8zT7DzFBxkUyjRSKxoL/Yua8YJYVTf5yv8dks0Wl QCOF5+dBZ3EolWUQRO2W6IxInWbtviIl+va9Fi2eTDwpXZ1X132nrOMGAtp02JDrSvgJ LXrRUPEwyxH73sncNosU6Ltr4p22b34rI9CNw= Received: by 10.114.73.14 with SMTP id v14mr3262732waa.163.1224242068116; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810170414l5f519431p18d4cc3450fceb41@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:14:28 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus Subject: [OM] [OT] Apple TV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9aca1f45a4c6c84f X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 13:14:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f873a1157851529615919 Anyone got any experience of using an Apple TV box to view photos? tia jez ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 13:14:54 2008 Received: (qmail 31442 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 11:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 11:14:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F5AC2B7B; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:14:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:14:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22334C28E8 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:14:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [204.210.85.179]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081017111439.TGSU17023.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:14:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <61647F10-E691-45DC-8C56-C9E2B07A7A9A@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: Hello Again, and For Sale Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:14:29 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 13:14:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f873ae40497350615338 The 50-200 and 14-54 are spoken for. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 13:18:30 2008 Received: (qmail 30447 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 11:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 11:18:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAE1C2CF9; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:18:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:18:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpoutw.mac.com (smtpoutw.mac.com [17.250.248.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC64C27D0 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:18:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail032 (webmail032-s [10.13.128.32]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw003/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m9HBIEOJ007895 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:18:13 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-ID: <64912917620267587840985025225204198642-Webmail2@me.com> in-reply-to: <2C2ED9C3-B71F-4858-8AD5-DBA68675F8AE@people.net.au> references: <8CAFDF567D488DA-10F8-17E8@webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com> <2C2ED9C3-B71F-4858-8AD5-DBA68675F8AE@people.net.au> Subject: [OM] Re: Compact Micro 4/3rds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 138.227.189.9 Received: from [138.227.189.9] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:18:13 +0200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jmalmstrom@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 13:18:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f8748625457350615338 Or maybe he has recognized the three modes on the Trip 35; face, body and mountains. I guess every new camera come with standard programs like that. / Johan On Friday, October 17, 2008, at 06:46AM, "Andrew Fildes" wrote: > >The local rep thinks it will look more like an old Trip 35 - when I >said, "Rangefinder???!!!", he went quiet. >Andrew Fildes >afildes@people.net.au > > > >On 17/10/2008, at 9:26 AM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > >> Perhaps it is a f/u to this: >> >> http://www.dpreview.com/news/ >> 0809/08092208olympus_micro_four_thirds.asp >> >> Would be very interested in your impressions, as soon as posting them >> will not be a fatal event. >> Perhaps it will be a G9/G10 killer if they can get a slightly more >> compact zoom. > > > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 13:40:38 2008 Received: (qmail 24432 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 11:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 11:40:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E053C4C6B; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:40:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:40:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C59C4810 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:31:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K8V00IOJRZXIN62@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:31:09 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-164-61.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.164.61]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:59:00 -0300 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:31:10 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] OT - Dreamweaver users To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <564A0289619F447ABEBF3D7EFE1759D3@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4MAFMU+EgY4KQ9/2dsb2JhbACBbIgbt3IHg2U X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,431,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="440025424" References: <61647F10-E691-45DC-8C56-C9E2B07A7A9A@roadrunner.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 13:40:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f879b650171342116753 Are there any listees who use Adobe Dreamweaver web creation software and would be prepared to help me with a few elementary questions? All and any off-list responses will be greatly appreciated. John Hudson ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 14:16:02 2008 Received: (qmail 16252 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 12:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 12:16:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3A1C2D35; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:15:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:15:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s05.dynamixs.net (unknown [83.172.132.32]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7847AC3A90 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:15:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18374 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 14:08:43 +0200 Received: from rt25bb146-89-44.routit.net (HELO Olaf-Greve.lan) (89.146.25.44) by ns1.dynamixs.net with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 14:08:43 +0200 From: Olaf Greve To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] TOPE 35: 1 new entry and TOPE 36 shooting season almost over X-Priority: 3 References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <4703D777.3010307@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:15:01 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ogreve@millennics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 14:16:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f8820277469347015869 Hi guys, I just sent a fine new entry to the TOPE 35 gallery, so you can all go check it out! Also: the shooting season for TOPE 36 "After Dark" is almost over; it will end around October 21st, so you all still have a few more days to get some pictures for it... Cheers! Olafo Main page: http://www.tope.nl Direct link to TOPE 35: http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=35 Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: http://www.tope.nl/events.php ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 14:56:36 2008 Received: (qmail 3415 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 12:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 12:56:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179A4C3605; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:56:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:56:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms172073pub.verizon.net (vms172073pub.verizon.net [206.46.172.73]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C23C46DE for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:45:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.219.163]) by vms172073.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8V00B7KVESJG66@vms172073.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:44:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:44:54 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Hello Again, and For Sale In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48F888C6.1060700@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 14:56:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f88b8450723675314703 Welcome back and it's good to hear that your son is doing better. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Bob Whitmire wrote: > Well, for better or worse, I'm back. Many thanx for the private and > public prayers and good thoughts for Number 2 Son. FYI, Ben's medical > condition currently is stable. Site of infection never found. He's > currently on suppression therapy for the infection. (That means he > gets enough antibiotics daily to keep the bacteria under control.) > It's been a hard ride through a long night. Now, we're trying to > resume some semblance of normal existence. Well, what passes for > normal around here. Particularly in an election year. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 16:27:36 2008 Received: (qmail 3048 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 14:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 14:27:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831D0C4D20; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:27:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:27:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FAFCC52BB for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:50:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20081017135018.ROXB21103.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:50:18 +0100 Received: from user4fec106f50 ([81.99.10.243]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20081017135017.PWOQ21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@user4fec106f50> for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:50:17 +0100 From: "David W Bell" To: References: <48F74E66.50803@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus IS-1000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:50:05 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <48F74E66.50803@verizon.net> Thread-Index: AckvnDnswsYTaTbpTlWVNk89YIuQbAAwi2kg X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=he5QUmt6AAAA:8 a=Vowhi_9FtTnOX6ls2GoA:9 a=swxjRN0gwk6y2MHyupB6YlSA1YoA:4 a=R4WQGk8rqDwA:10 a=7UrePnR41IEA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: david.w.bell@ntlworld.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 16:27:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f8a0d8228677927319144 Thanks John, however I was just curious as to whether it was a problem I could tackle myself as the economic solution is to put the batteries in either an IS-3000 or IS-200 of mine and give her that rather than ship it across the pond for repair. Rgds Dave -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hermanson Sent: 16 October 2008 15:24 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus IS-1000 When I was an Olympus subcontractor, I did IS-1, 1000, L-1 (same model). You can send it anytime. Don't see many of them anymore. John On 10/16/2008 10:13:47 AM, David W Bell (david.w.bell@ntlworld.com) wrote: > My daughter has one of these and it has developed a fault. When loaded > and > the back closed it still flashes with the symbol "back open" and as a > result > renders the camera inoperable. > > Anyone worked on one of these? Is there a switch somewhere which the back > contacts? > > Or is it now a large paperweight? > > Dave > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -- ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 16:38:42 2008 Received: (qmail 27320 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 14:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 14:38:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88D6C48F4; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:38:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:38:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C48C3690 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:09:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5480619.25781224253032319.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-60-160.iburst.co.za ([41.213.60.160]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 314 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:17:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OM] Good price for Auto-Bellows + Slide Copy Attachment? From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Solms TCD Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:09:00 +0200 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 16:38:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f8a37296461702588592 Hi All, I spotted a very clean-looking Zuiko Auto-Bellows + Slide Copy attachment, I didn't see a price, but before I go there next week I would like to have your opinion as to what a reasonable price should be for this unit? I would really like to get such a bellows at some stage, my 90/2.0 Macro on it should be good fun, and then I would absolutely love a 20/2.0 someday. I am into extreme Macro with my digital gear, would love to try with the new passion (OM gear). The 1-12 focusing screen is already on it's way to me for that very purpose :-) cheers, D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 17:43:33 2008 Received: (qmail 28647 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 15:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 15:43:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146C0C531B; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:43:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:43:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57A5C4D82 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:13:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [204.210.85.179]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081017151319.PARZ5091.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:13:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081017030216.16820.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> References: <20081017030216.16820.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <1D54B2D8-EF64-4D8F-9B14-37B1B9A49C8C@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: Hello Again, and For Sale Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:13:08 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 17:43:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f8b2a5103641234514069 On Oct 16, 2008, at 11:02 PM, wrote: > Good to see you back. Thanx! I'm glad to be back, if a little worse for wear. --Bob www.bwp33.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 17:43:47 2008 Received: (qmail 1314 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 15:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 15:43:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8D0C3AC4; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:43:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:43:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40348C30FA for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:22:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [204.210.85.179]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081017152221.HCWR19036.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:22:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <2F004DEC-CA97-40E0-9A09-0853FE6F2D96@people.net.au> References: <48F7D3E6.6030209@gmail.com> <2F004DEC-CA97-40E0-9A09-0853FE6F2D96@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <01ADF619-A594-493A-B235-96D6670F6DF8@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: Megapixels, was Hello & For Sale Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:22:11 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 17:43:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f8b2b2306861234514069 On Oct 17, 2008, at 12:54 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > That'll have to be a high-res D3x and/or D700+ of course. > 'cos the more megapickles you got, the better the pic. Hummmm. The Tongue in the Cheek is implied? Or am I just inferring? FWIW, the picture on my home page, www.bwp33.com, was shot very early one morning with the D3 at ISO 3200, f/5.6 at 1/320th, using the Nikon 70-200 2.8 VR. I know I hit it with some Neat Image to smooth it out a touch, as excruciatingly fine detail is not what this shot is all about. But I like the shot, not only because it violates rules of composition, but also because I could not have obtained it with any other camera. I've blown up the image to 12.75x19 inches, matted to 18x24 inches, and it looks quite good. 12.1 megapixels. (Actually, blown up may be an overstatement. The native size of this one, according to Bridge, is 9.2x14 inches.) Natch, your mileage will vary, and, I know, the image is too small on the web to really tell anything about the effects of noise reduction . . . --Bob www.bwp33.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 17:43:54 2008 Received: (qmail 25060 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 15:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 15:43:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEA7C52ED; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:43:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:43:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29692C5040 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:35:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KqrMK-0003iv-QR for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:35:25 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <5480619.25781224253032319.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Subject: [OM] Re: Good price for Auto-Bellows + Slide Copy Attachment? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:35:24 +0100 Message-ID: <013201c9306d$f93fb440$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <5480619.25781224253032319.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckwZgqiXG61Ax5ZS3WFnpafQRFP9wABnuEg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081016-0, 16/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 17:43:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f8b2ba245957927319144 The OM bellows are particularly well made, Dawid, and are very convenient to use with Zuiko macro lenses because the bellows are marked with mgnification ratios for the 50 and 80 mm macro lenses. The almost always suffer from cracking of the nylon blocks holding the standards to the rail - use that "defect" to negotiate a reduction (and John H has replacement blocks, as far as I recall, if you feel the need). Having said that, if you don't need the slide copier which fits on to the bellows, they don't really do anything that any no-name bellows would not do (aside from having a diaphragm operating mechanism, which requires a double cable release), so I would start from the basis that they are worth little more than any bellows. Try USD50? UK going rate for Olympus bellows would be around GBP50 -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Dawid Loubser Sent: 17 October 2008 15:09 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Good price for Auto-Bellows + Slide Copy Attachment? Hi All, I spotted a very clean-looking Zuiko Auto-Bellows + Slide Copy attachment, I didn't see a price, but before I go there next week I would like to have your opinion as to what a reasonable price should be for this unit? I would really like to get such a bellows at some stage, my 90/2.0 Macro on it should be good fun, and then I would absolutely love a 20/2.0 someday. I am into extreme Macro with my digital gear, would love to try with the new passion (OM gear). The 1-12 focusing screen is already on it's way to me for that very purpose :-) cheers, D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 18:20:10 2008 Received: (qmail 8870 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 16:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 16:20:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650E1C3E8A; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:19:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:19:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BABAC4147 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:16:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <21811470.25811224260665062.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-220-149.wbs.co.za ([41.208.220.149]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 648 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:24:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OM] Re: Good price for Auto-Bellows + Slide Copy Attachment? From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <013201c9306d$f93fb440$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> References: <5480619.25781224253032319.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <013201c9306d$f93fb440$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Solms TCD Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:16:12 +0200 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 18:20:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f8bb3a217629347015869 Great, thanks, I was also thinking in the area of GBP50. I already have a nice prontor double cable release which I use with my Mamiya RB, this should work equally well with the bellows. cheers, Dawid On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 16:35 +0100, Piers Hemy wrote: > UK going rate for Olympus bellows would be around GBP50 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Oct 17 22:52:04 2008 Received: (qmail 31505 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 20:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 20:52:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAC2C2B1E; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:51:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:51:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 069C7C2BDC for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:51:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1745 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 20:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.189.58) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 20:51:47 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <01ADF619-A594-493A-B235-96D6670F6DF8@roadrunner.com> References: <48F7D3E6.6030209@gmail.com> <2F004DEC-CA97-40E0-9A09-0853FE6F2D96@people.net.au> <01ADF619-A594-493A-B235-96D6670F6DF8@roadrunner.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <9CE17345-50F4-4B20-97A1-6CFFA33CB720@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Megapixels, was Hello & For Sale Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:51:44 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Oct 17 22:52:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f8faf4160542046811720 What, who, me...? The sites looking great these days - love shots like 'Foogy Mooring'. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 18/10/2008, at 2:22 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Hummmm. The Tongue in the Cheek is implied? Or am I just inferring? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 18 00:00:17 2008 Received: (qmail 11495 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 22:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 22:00:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6BDC2AF3; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 00:00:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 18 Oct 2008 00:00:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A8BC289C for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 00:00:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-0-23.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.0.23]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9HLxo9b028258 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:00:00 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Good price for Auto-Bellows + Slide Copy Attachment? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:59:39 +1100 Message-ID: <05749BEF8AD4407898F269D960F70C4E@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-reply-to: <21811470.25811224260665062.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AckwdDpYE9x0O3w6TbaG4uYicJDuCQALyegg Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 18 00:00:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f90af1185201744846740 > > I already have a nice prontor double cable release which I > use with my Mamiya RB, this should work equally well with the bellows. > Maybe, maybe not - the Oly double cable release has an adjustment to one of the releases to ensure that the lens is completely stopped down before the shutter fires. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 18 00:03:09 2008 Received: (qmail 4645 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2008 22:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 22:03:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56167C3200; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 00:02:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 18 Oct 2008 00:02:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C88C2DB8 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 00:02:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.cfa.459640f9 (37062) for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB048-5c4c48f90b843c9; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:02:51 -0400 Received: from FWM-D37 (fwm-d37.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.13]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA022-5c4c48f90b843c9; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:02:44 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Good price for Auto-Bellows + Slide Copy Attachment? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:02:44 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.13) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:02:44 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAFEBB37ACE9AC-268-5CD@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 18 00:03:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f90b9c24871946193717 Would dearly like to have the Bellows-S, though appears to be difficult to spot (extinct) as the Ivory billed Woodpecker. http://zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk/~rwesson/eSIF/om-sif/macrophotogroup.htm Saw a thread on FM that custom adaptation with a T-S M*nolta bellows worked well with both the Z. 135 and the 80 F4---both have large image cirlcles as they may have been initially designed with the bellows S in mind. A daydreaming Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 18 02:45:34 2008 Received: (qmail 2898 invoked by uid 0); 18 Oct 2008 00:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Oct 2008 00:45:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3641C2C11; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331C7C27AD for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.c60.2ed9f995 (34923) for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA038-5c4748f9318c1d1; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:45:11 -0400 Received: from FWM-D37 (fwm-d37.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.13]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA015-5c4748f9318c1d1; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:45:00 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT Cheap lens Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:45:00 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.13) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:45:00 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAFED1E2ABB782-268-B60@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 18 02:45:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f931ae252111073733319 Hey, you gored my bull yet again ;-) Many in the archives have considered it approaching the exalted Z. 35-80 2.8 with a bit more reach. I believe John Lind became enamored of it. I typically don't try and use it at large apertures esp at the wide end but did so recently. I do occ notice the barrel distortion as stated but it is modest and not a complicated distortion to fix, if need be. I wonder how much sample variation there is. I would think some type of index of dispersion with the MTF data would be VERY useful, but is NEVER provided. Canyon's MTF curves are calculated and not even measured AFAIK. http://old.photodo.com/prod/lens/detail/TaSP35-105_28-828.shtml The MTF score is very good which seems to be a necessary but insufficient conditon for a super lens. The Zuiko has more even performance over the apertures and likely less corner softness esp at the wide end though with the same avg weighted MTF score of 3.6. Yes, I have tried to snipe one or two but they are still usually over fourfold as expensive as the Tam. AG has commented that he liked the Tok ATX 35-70/2.8. http://www.photodo.com/product_174_p4.html Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 18 03:09:54 2008 Received: (qmail 14124 invoked by uid 0); 18 Oct 2008 01:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Oct 2008 01:09:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA27C30F8; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:09:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:09:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158D2C2C6B for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:09:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-0-23.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.0.23]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9I19T7R003234 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:09:39 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: OT Cheap lens Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:09:18 +1100 Message-ID: <28591C54B6B84B89B7EDB97F6CD7064B@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-reply-to: <8CAFED1E2ABB782-268-B60@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AckwutTbXmApoy1qSYmlr+X7ri4ypAAAxTog Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 18 03:09:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f93762110871257536491 > > Canyon's MTF curves are calculated and not even measured > AFAIK. > Works ok for canon (marketing), useless for the customer. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 18 05:06:47 2008 Received: (qmail 22221 invoked by uid 0); 18 Oct 2008 03:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Oct 2008 03:06:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F649C3333; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 05:06:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 18 Oct 2008 05:06:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230D3C3217 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 05:05:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1543201C985 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:05:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WMcHe+MLq5rG for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932AA201C952 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3E45CF5B-C477-4E2C-8EAC-3ACC30DAAF72@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081018013518.B30D9C32A4@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Good price for Auto-Bellows + Slide Copy Attachment? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:05:31 -0700 References: <20081018013518.B30D9C32A4@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 18 05:06:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48f952c7200197927319144 > From: Dawid Loubser > > I would really like to get such a bellows at some stage, my 90/2.0 > Macro > on it should be good fun... If you really want to copy slides, go for the 80/4. The 90/2, while a great lens overall, is not as good at 1:1 as the 80/4, at least in my testing. > ... I would absolutely love a 20/2.0 > someday... Unless you're going to get the matching lieberkühn reflector, stage, and light source, I think you might find the 38/2.8 to be more fun. The 20 just gets to darn close for anything useful unless it is flat and specially lit. :::: Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.Bytesmiths.com/Services :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Oct 18 23:31:39 2008 Received: (qmail 31411 invoked by uid 0); 18 Oct 2008 21:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Oct 2008 21:31:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0A8C2D6F; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:31:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:31:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF81C4632 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:31:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UAp71a0050SCNGk51MXRwo; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:31:25 +0000 Received: from SpongeBob ([24.5.207.129]) by OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UMXG1a0012o2YFL3VMXQ2d; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:31:25 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=z1gCUMO4kVUA:10 a=eOdszA7usKMA:10 a=zkxh8RJP2EobT1qDwuMA:9 a=hRbf9nO0uw93ltwI1UQA:7 a=e2BM2prqTtrxeNkHRb_FoTY17bsA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 From: "Jay Drew" To: "Zuikoholic" Subject: [OM] Re: Good price for Auto-Bellows + Slide Copy Attachment? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:31:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c93168$da5e1b10$6400a8c0@SpongeBob> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dreaded@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 18 23:31:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fa55bb241911234514069 I'll echo Jan's sentiment about hunting up a 20mm for the bellows. I don't have a 20, do have a 38. Your depth of field and distance to subject will be very small. Try doing some work with reversed lens on the bellows to see if you really want to play in that arena rather than just dabble. The reverse lens can be accomplished by reversing the lens mount plate, or in my case I have a reverse adapter for 49mm threads I slap onto the lens plate. You do lose the auto diaphragm with the reversed setup. For a dual cable, if the Mamiya doesn't work for you, the Nikon AR-7 does work (thanks to Moose for pointing that out). The Nikon release is easier to find and cheaper than the Olympus release. If you want extreme macro try reverse mounting a cine lens for 8mm on the bellows. Now if I were independently wealthy, would I get a 20mm? You bet. Toys for the Boys. Jay Hand me my costume Please won't you pass me my mask I have appointments I must keep with my past. Bill Nelson - Beauty Secrets ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 19 01:15:21 2008 Received: (qmail 8494 invoked by uid 0); 18 Oct 2008 23:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Oct 2008 23:15:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C40C2AAE; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:15:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:15:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com (unknown [193.252.22.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B487C2D1B for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:15:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5B1DF7000085 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:15:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from GeeBee (unknown [91.107.109.89]) by mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 20CE47000084 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:15:09 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081018231509134.20CE47000084@mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <0F6A0321E0074F6B9204249898852A15@GeeBee> From: "Gee Bee" To: "OM List" Subject: [OM] Church update : Moreton Pinkney Northamptonshire Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:15:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: graham@geebeephoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 19 01:15:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fa6e09227951823421471 Keep clicking the 'Right' navigation arrows until you hit Nassington: http://www.geebeephoto.com/Northamptonshire_Churches/M-Z/pages/Moreton_Pinkney_01.htm --Graham http://www.geebeephoto.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Oct 19 02:06:02 2008 Received: (qmail 26258 invoked by uid 0); 19 Oct 2008 00:06:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Oct 2008 00:06:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0893DC4DCB; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:05:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:05:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53867C4DD1 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:05:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15274 invoked by uid 518); 19 Oct 2008 00:05:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20081019000545.15273.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Church update : Moreton Pinkney Northamptonshire Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:05:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 71.76.196.135 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Oct 19 02:06:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fa79ea227549347015869 Nassinton_3 is the winner. Aaah... nice! Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Gee Bee > Subject: [OM] Church update : Moreton Pinkney Northamptonshire > Sent: Oct 18 '08 23:15 > > > Keep clicking the 'Right' navigation arrows until you hit Nassington: > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/Northamptonshire_Churches/M-Z/pages/Moreton_Pinkney_01.htm > > > > --Graham > http://www.geebeephoto.com > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 07:31:30 2008 Received: (qmail 17041 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 05:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 05:31:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B32C7C14; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:41:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:41:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imr-m07.mx.aol.com (imr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.209]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3244888C07 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:19:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.227]) by imr-m07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN9-a48fbf62a386; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:08:26 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.c33.3ed20806 (37133) for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA027-5bbc48fbf28a3be; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:53:07 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MY22 (webmail-my22.sim.aol.com [64.12.109.80]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA033-5bbc48fbf28a3be; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:52:58 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Pol question Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:52:58 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 172.18.150.227 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by WEBMAIL-MY22.sysops.aol.com (64.12.109.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:52:58 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB007617D2AB0D-B00-1E8F@WEBMAIL-MY22.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 07:31:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc17b257011035110158 Finally able to find a rear 43mm pol for the Tamron 400/4. (10 buck snipe) It is a single piece of glass???? Every other pol, linear or otherwise, always had two. Must be a good reason to add the extra glass. I do have some pol film to put on the T28 or T32 for cross pol purposes but perhaps that is a suboptimal way to construct them. I could see that perhaps a quarter wave retarder might be in the second glass for a circular flavor but it struck me as very odd construction. It is a bit of a pain to use with no way to rotate it externally unlike the newer Tam 300/2.8 AF. Any ideas of the advantages of the usual two glass construction? Thanks, Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 09:30:37 2008 Received: (qmail 1458 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 07:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 07:30:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04431C74EE; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:11:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:11:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF17FE1DFD for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:45:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 32100 invoked by uid 518); 20 Oct 2008 01:59:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20081020015914.32099.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Just a test. I'm seeing no traffic Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 01:59:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 70.88.186.1 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 09:30:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc339d102351073733319 Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 09:38:35 2008 Received: (qmail 16103 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 07:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 07:38:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F80E0F05; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:43:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:43:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA42DEC09 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 07:34:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4821CC9780 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 06:52:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <0F6A0321E0074F6B9204249898852A15@GeeBee> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Church update : Moreton Pinkney Northamptonshire X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 06:34:49 +0100 References: <0F6A0321E0074F6B9204249898852A15@GeeBee> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 09:38:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc357b317791869477228 Thanks, Graham. That's an impressive looking steeple, and I like the way the side buttresses channel the eyes upwards towards it. But inside it gives the impression of severity, somehow. Chris On 19 Oct 2008, at 00:15, Gee Bee wrote: > > Keep clicking the 'Right' navigation arrows until you hit Nassington: > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/Northamptonshire_Churches/M-Z/pages/Moreton_Pinkney_01.htm > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 10:04:43 2008 Received: (qmail 16871 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 08:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 08:04:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD97C59FB; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:40:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:40:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mta-m2.tc.umn.edu (mta-m2.tc.umn.edu [134.84.135.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB35DA3CCA for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:31:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [216.243.164.99] (216-243-164-99.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.164.99]) by mta-m2.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:16:40 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] 216-243-164-99.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.164.99] #+TS+AU+HN Message-ID: <48FBEA65.5010304@tc.umn.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:18:13 -0500 From: Dean Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Good price for Auto-Bellows + Slide Copy Attachment Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: hanse112@tc.umn.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 10:04:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc3b9b322242336821329 Jan noted: Unless you're going to get the matching lieberkühn reflector, stage, and light source, I think you might find the 38/2.8 to be more fun. The 20 just gets to darn close for anything useful unless it is flat and specially lit. I find the 38/2.8 to be an amazing lens. A few examples of jumping spider shots taken with this lens are at: http://members.iphouse.com/hanse112. Go to Jumping Spider Album I; the Zygoballus, Lyssonomes, and Habronattus viridipes photos are taken with the 38/2.8 on the 65-116 telescopic extension tube. Phidippus Eyes was taken with the 20/2 at 116mm extension. On the Shooting Jumping Spiders page, the far right shot at the top of the page (the two eyes) was taken with a 6.5mm Elgeet lens reversed. This is macro to the max, and on the cheap--these lenses (either the 7mm or 6.5mm Elgeet) can be picked up on eBay for under $15. Dean ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 10:25:52 2008 Received: (qmail 18166 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 08:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 08:25:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32BEC8216; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:28:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:28:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D82EC9868 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:38:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.106] (pool-71-110-197-153.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.110.197.153]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.8.5-GA) with ESMTP id CKE96388 (AUTH siddiq@ucr.edu) for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] visiting Chicago Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:38:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: siddiq@ucr.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 10:25:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc409099731023412894 Greetings fellow Olynuts in Chicagotown. Any must see or good to see things around S Wacker Dr or N Rush Street? I'll have one evening, and want to walk around photo-ing and such. Or if any Zuikoheads who haven't yet made the transition to Digital Zuiko would like to play with an E3+12-60 over dinner :) Wish I had more time.. As it is, flying in late night on 21, training 8-5 on 22, 23, and flying out 8p same day. Anything walkable and worth seeing around Wacker (Apple) or Rush (Conrad hotel) would be appreciated. I tend to like architecture and street photography. Thanks. /s ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 10:45:25 2008 Received: (qmail 12178 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 08:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 08:45:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC68C94EC; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:36:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:36:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23712DF2FB for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:02:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:53999 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KrnqZ-0001H9-6g (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:02:31 +0000 Message-Id: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, Picture a Day discussion group Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 42: a two-day walk around Madrid Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:02:29 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 10:45:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc45252171342116753 Because it is a two-day walk, there are more pics than usual, 21 to be exact: http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=163 There are grand buildings, dogs, señoritas, a reminder from the Franco era, and a bunch of other stuff. I hope you will find something of interest. As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 11:28:58 2008 Received: (qmail 14966 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 09:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 09:28:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8502BC2ABD; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:28:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:28:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id D2CB7C37DA for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:24:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21615 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 08:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 08:55:58 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> References: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <7776745A-E9CF-4A09-83F3-C7DCD7CEDED9@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 42: a two-day walk around Madrid Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:55:58 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 11:28:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc4f5a128241744846740 Hey - Alternate 3 - are those leadlights Miro?! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 20/10/2008, at 5:02 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Because it is a two-day walk, there are more pics than usual, 21 to be > exact: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=163 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 11:59:37 2008 Received: (qmail 25819 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 09:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 09:59:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9740C304D; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:59:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:59:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5FDC3544 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:31:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so1531040wah.1 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.193.1 with SMTP id q1mr5145268waf.70.1224487987730; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810200033m65509122ubfe1d479aab9408f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:33:07 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Just a test. I'm seeing no traffic In-Reply-To: <20081020015914.32099.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081020015914.32099.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7abe77a5afbafcc0 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 11:59:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc5689157001585427447 I'm here... On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:59 AM, wrote: > Chuck Norcutt > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 12:05:22 2008 Received: (qmail 3877 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 10:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 10:05:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FACBC3162; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:05:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:05:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA84C3729 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:28:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so1530152wah.1 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:28:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=hbp3KYDPb0I2h4BIoQqwbejSKK3rn+YnMTnLIXl8Uxk=; b=EJQ4pJhVDZIBieZ/XIvkBxEqQCk4IrQ8rEFWm61JUALbtR/TwYd3PP+eS1k2fOKLxi hLJu6NFWdLEg3Jvw5n2ttCMJT8bIqUaeCB4xf7fZDtinR9f0kKHYBL5crpcy8CLyusNu SwVwdnikQsk37u9mfBXLFUndKp9mMxjnyPafM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=BaL08+9iUi6KmKrf8lmMOiuCiHuR0/QBs3JeQRrVxJapxYOz+EJxHFNEJyG4r47Enx Hxx2yeLToUjU0gbqDqv/QiSnmrUGaropS/xcuXF5+qsLTePe6Nz5/AZlKxCJcTp9VAtZ bpWO4jEJTF3S90TnZUpgC/VneFSJAFNDZ9640= Received: by 10.115.75.14 with SMTP id c14mr5209834wal.45.1224493230300; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810200200p64a8553ehd1f0623edb5e622e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:00:30 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 42: a two-day walk around Madrid In-Reply-To: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 35f89b6584858480 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 12:05:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc57e2244401744846740 Nice pictures! but no real favorite. I wish I had the time to record/publish my travels like you do! I took loads of pictures in 3 days in Barcelona but they languish on my hard drive(s)... cheers jez On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > Because it is a two-day walk, there are more pics than usual, 21 to be > exact: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=163 > > There are grand buildings, dogs, señoritas, a reminder from the Franco > era, and a bunch of other stuff. I hope you will find something of > interest. As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 12:09:54 2008 Received: (qmail 23040 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 10:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 10:09:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F8EC2F59; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:09:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:09:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 856E9C2CC3 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:32:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so1531040wah.1 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:32:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Xc3WL3twUdv/06wm7yISs42imkaIzc6iTBPy6ubj0SQ=; b=L1Aon/77ubxYIOUpPpFKLgpO2Mqz97zvB6/t3BJze3j0rngc1xPX3K9MGUadSp0R3I BUC3kHNJ6tnnHhiBNMTMDsHCGS0g0l4HkeaxhQfRQ6c/AV7Tx0f4lHnSLDeImF43moZZ b/pbz1s6WVtMWpEGCmReomW4wiy9RdBHemRlM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=AVkYDCnwrLwvsrXZGBTEeQleqrpLNbIJQ4915nnPC6zGuPLvh6q7f8GJd/BFulmWml uEQ9ljHpnIr/RNlPaCCv8z//5hS7ppRau8ImPMVw4wP6854ddULp2wU3uvFiZkL/gFeQ 1Eep5AK+5+o/I8tusFdXWk7icLtAUeK9FwdmM= Received: by 10.114.147.7 with SMTP id u7mr5185122wad.145.1224495131395; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810200232s56090c9m9324ba7c4dce3481@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:32:11 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 42: a two-day walk around Madrid In-Reply-To: <7776745A-E9CF-4A09-83F3-C7DCD7CEDED9@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> <7776745A-E9CF-4A09-83F3-C7DCD7CEDED9@people.net.au> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4d7f42500ebda87b X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 12:09:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc58f2194711257536491 I do like the mix of old and new - went to the Miro Foundation in Barcelona during our visit earlier this month. LOVED the stained glass in La Sagrada Familia... (of course that's Gaudi) Jez On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Hey - Alternate 3 - are those leadlights Miro?! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 12:12:06 2008 Received: (qmail 5777 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 10:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 10:12:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F69C2828; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:11:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:11:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A49FC28D1 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:11:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 619 invoked by uid 518); 20 Oct 2008 10:03:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20081020100342.618.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Good price for Auto-Bellows + Slide Copy Attachment Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:03:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 70.88.186.1 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 12:12:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc597634791946193717 Thanks. I never knew about hydraulics in place of leg muscles. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Dean Hansen > Subject: [OM] Re: Good price for Auto-Bellows + Slide Copy Attachment > Sent: Oct 20 '08 02:18 > > Jan noted: > > Unless you're going to get the matching lieberkühn reflector, stage,   > and light source, I think you might find the 38/2.8 to be more fun.   > The 20 just gets to darn close for anything useful unless it is flat   > and specially lit. > > > I find the 38/2.8 to be an amazing lens.  A few examples of jumping > spider shots taken with this lens are at: > http://members.iphouse.com/hanse112.  Go to Jumping Spider Album I;  the > Zygoballus, Lyssonomes, and Habronattus viridipes photos are taken with > the 38/2.8 on the 65-116 telescopic extension tube.  Phidippus Eyes was > taken with the 20/2 at 116mm extension.  On the Shooting Jumping Spiders > page, the far right shot at the top of the page (the two eyes) was taken > with a 6.5mm Elgeet lens reversed.  This is macro to the max, and on the > cheap--these lenses (either the 7mm or 6.5mm Elgeet) can be picked up on > eBay for under $15. > Dean > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 12:16:05 2008 Received: (qmail 4902 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 10:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 10:16:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEC5C2B1C; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:15:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:15:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80967C2AC5 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3495 invoked by uid 518); 20 Oct 2008 10:09:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20081020100909.3494.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Just a test. I'm seeing no traffic Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:09:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 70.88.186.1 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 12:16:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc5a6528643675314703 Thanks. I did get a half dozen or so after that test but it also included a couple sent the previous day. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Jez Cunningham > Subject: [OM] Re: Just a test. I'm seeing no traffic > Sent: Oct 20 '08 07:33 > > > I'm here... > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:59 AM, wrote: > > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 12:17:51 2008 Received: (qmail 869 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 10:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 10:17:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF35C2837; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:17:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:17:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E93C2BD7 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:17:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <23391478.26061224497422288.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-204-49.wbs.co.za ([41.208.204.49]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 994 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:10:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OM] Re: Good price for Auto-Bellows + Slide Copy Attachment From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48FBEA65.5010304@tc.umn.edu> References: <48FBEA65.5010304@tc.umn.edu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Solms TCD Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:02:27 +0200 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 12:17:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc5acf65031993019900 Hi Dean, That is probably very true. I wouldn't mind both eventually :-) But if/when I get the bellows, I may look out for a 38mm f/2.8. The faster f/2.0 speed appealed to me for the 20mm, but I guess this is negated by the much less actual light due to the higher magnification. First up, though, would be to play with the 90mm f/2.0 which I do have. regards, Dawid P.S. Beautiful images in your gallery, looking forward to read more "how-to" information :-) On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 21:18 -0500, Dean Hansen wrote: > Jan noted: > > Unless you're going to get the matching lieberkühn reflector, stage, > and light source, I think you might find the 38/2.8 to be more fun. > The 20 just gets to darn close for anything useful unless it is flat > and specially lit. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 12:23:31 2008 Received: (qmail 21304 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 10:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 10:23:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6827CC2D98; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:23:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:23:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22FDEC2DD6 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:23:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 10791 invoked by uid 518); 20 Oct 2008 10:23:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20081020102314.10790.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 42: a two-day walk around Madrid Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:23:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.55 X-Originating-IP: 70.88.186.1 X-Originating-Email: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 12:23:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc5c23238951946193717 And I'm the opposite. Looks jarringly out of place to me. But I enjoyed the tour although I didn't find a "winner" this week. Chuck Norcutt > -------Original Message------- > From: Jez Cunningham > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 42: a two-day walk around Madrid > Sent: Oct 20 '08 09:32 > > > I do like the mix of old and new - went to the Miro Foundation in Barcelona > during our visit earlier this month. > > LOVED the stained glass in La Sagrada Familia... (of course that's Gaudi) > Jez > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > > > > Hey - Alternate 3 - are those leadlights Miro?! > > Andrew Fildes > > afildes@people.net.au > > > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info:     http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies:        olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 13:30:59 2008 Received: (qmail 9759 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 11:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 11:30:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2223C2FC2; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:30:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:30:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF33DC2EEA for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:30:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1780359wfd.5 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:30:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ok7LC4wXcWT0l7SL5EXHAirIlku8AjcEYikkpJ2hJiw=; b=tPs305n+TYuCh7FiI3jvjzwK8nLYN7jEK21cF+o+8/u7XukIToum7RqbDGk3oU8nHZ JHbr5EWEPCmhM/KDUBIMt3P6+k/X8AZylJyamfnZxUMn4IiVBN58L/P5BJHV4J00XHcP 2lONjhWdQs/43SCLBlV4IQ6V4kUU8kUnuTlEg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ocQugiBcYAdwDuYO5txDJ91Qu5BXUP7/pC7wi18J0CMdYFJm7zOenQ3MckmOVbZSdM nOd7MVZlGKKgKRROfsxjr8G9K7hE8pkljcviYIViRSPUEu/L9kXrgQxsGrxAxWGbmo7p ehY6Jy1Vg55txNHaFN+9VV0bEpttn7xkloxNM= Received: by 10.142.224.5 with SMTP id w5mr2990083wfg.288.1224502229618; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-172-115.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.172.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm13708325wfc.19.2008.10.20.04.30.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48FC6BCD.4090101@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:30:21 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 42: a two-day walk around Madrid References: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 13:30:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc6bf3114611035110158 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Because it is a two-day walk, there are more pics than usual, 21 to be > exact: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=163 I like your choice this week (I'd like it in black and white), though it's not my favourite of them all. I think Alternate 5 takes that particular place, though it's close to another. The stained glass in Alternate 3 is quite beautiful. I'm surprised to find myself thinking that it actually "works" against the "old". After Alternate 5, the one that's close for me is Alternate 1. I don't know how it manages to look so...depressing, but it does to me. Both parties look like they're going through the motions; doing it because it's what is done. It feels like...ennui or disappointment - as if each person's choice is not working for them as they'd hoped. Hey, I'm just calling it as my head sees it. It's also part of why I like the photo. :-) I like Alternate 4, but that's probably because it's got my car, Scruffy, in it. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 13:56:56 2008 Received: (qmail 25210 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 11:56:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 11:56:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FB6C2DC5; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:56:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:56:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7ED1EC2D9B for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:55:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13789 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 11:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 11:55:49 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48FC6BCD.4090101@gmail.com> References: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> <48FC6BCD.4090101@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <7790B247-48E8-40B2-97A0-A6326A6BF705@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 42: a two-day walk around Madrid Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:55:48 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 13:56:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc7208195902070262475 Actually not 'Stained Glass' - technically that refers to panels where at least some of the glass elements have been painted and the paint fused on in a kiln (it's a powdered glass paint and acts like a transparent enamel on the base glass). A difficult technique often used in church work but a bit pricey for other uses. Panels with just coloured glasses should be called leadlight (or Tiffany/foil if that technique is used). However it has become a common usage in the US to call it all Stained Glass - an annoying error as they are very different things. I did some quick research and discovered that Miró did at least design glass panels, some quite wonderful (brilliant use of blue ground). I was delighted as I though that his work would style would make good glass - especially the bright colour and thin black lines (or rods in sculptures). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 20/10/2008, at 10:30 PM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > The stained glass in Alternate 3 is quite beautiful. I'm surprised to > find myself thinking that it actually "works" against the "old". ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 14:22:36 2008 Received: (qmail 18090 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 12:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 12:22:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530CEC2B23; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:22:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:22:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11610C2B27 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:22:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.219.163]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K91005YAECWTY13@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:22:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:22:16 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus IS-1000 In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48FC77F8.6020805@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48F74E66.50803@verizon.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 14:22:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc780c168051035110158 It could be the switch under the side panel. When the back snap shuts a switch opens (or closes?). Bottom has to come off to remove side plate, watch out for flying spring loaded parts. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html David W Bell wrote: > Thanks John, however I was just curious as to whether it was a problem I > could tackle myself as the economic solution is to put the batteries in > either an IS-3000 or IS-200 of mine and give her that rather than ship it > across the pond for repair. > > Rgds > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of John Hermanson > Sent: 16 October 2008 15:24 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus IS-1000 > > > When I was an Olympus subcontractor, I did IS-1, 1000, L-1 (same model). > You can send it anytime. Don't see many of them anymore. > > John > > > On 10/16/2008 10:13:47 AM, David W Bell (david.w.bell@ntlworld.com) wrote: >> My daughter has one of these and it has developed a fault. When loaded >> and >> the back closed it still flashes with the symbol "back open" and as a >> result >> renders the camera inoperable. >> >> Anyone worked on one of these? Is there a switch somewhere which the back >> contacts? >> >> Or is it now a large paperweight? >> >> Dave >> >> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 15:06:41 2008 Received: (qmail 12367 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 13:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 13:06:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B971C3095; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms172071pub.verizon.net (vms172071pub.verizon.net [206.46.172.71]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41546C2D12 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:58:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.219.163]) by vms172071.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9100F17G0XALS8@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:58:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:58:17 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage In-reply-to: <9f07ac840810200033m65509122ubfe1d479aab9408f@mail.gmail.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48FC8069.1010609@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081020015914.32099.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <9f07ac840810200033m65509122ubfe1d479aab9408f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 15:06:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc8261326109347015869 Saw my first 4Ti with prism damage. Looks like the coating on the prism had a pinhole. Moisture eventually got down to the coating and started delamination. New prism from Olympus? $400 dollars. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 15:36:16 2008 Received: (qmail 12046 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 13:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 13:36:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFB0C2AFD; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:36:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:36:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from n9a.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com (n9a.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.157]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 1ECA6C289A for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:36:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [217.12.4.214] by n9.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2008 13:36:04 -0000 Received: from [87.248.110.115] by t1.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2008 13:36:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp220.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2008 13:36:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 35329.91893.bm@omp220.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 69128 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 13:36:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iI1mgvRpt8SfNvzvUwLvNbfuvIE0RhXNel5JYgBWHAaLfAg7GuHNXbljAWIzpUaxWENV7JLlAI9WMt+czhIsKFJ0MZKli0XwTUktiw4CtrULWXdbRVVqtKa0+g7eMk4E0YOdWpdRVMcQMK0dFgy1gF9SQR4JBR8iyCQbkr/bwEA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.67?) (zuman65@91.125.244.230 with plain) by smtp148.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 13:36:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YpH05n8VM1nEHkwUniZ6J6VUsXYlSwJv1nuyq2ridNFOHtyRYMdYBTB4ktNzMvjgUOCfvPpVKQvs_4R2Nbr495XUx_bcFqP1jH7BQfxaf1stWbXBaU5zvQXrGuZ1h1iiR.LutY1wsb806NAExE43c00AdWXvZg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <48FC8943.6040102@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:36:03 +0100 From: JohnOR User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] testing Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuman65@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 15:36:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc895043658512572685 just testing JohnOR ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 15:48:40 2008 Received: (qmail 20378 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 13:48:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 13:48:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD50C33BE; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:48:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:48:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-4.orange.nl (smtp-4.orange.nl [193.252.22.249]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94C4C2C97 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:47:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6308.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A116D1C00088 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:47:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wwinf6302 (wwinf6302 [10.232.3.29]) by mwinf6308.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 975101C00086 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:47:19 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081020134719619.975101C00086@mwinf6308.online.nl From: wiliam Wagenaar To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-ID: <23698120.591871224510439610.JavaMail.www@wwinf6302> Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [145.50.39.9] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:47:19 +0200 (CEST) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@online.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 15:48:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc8c3853442336821329 $400,-? Ouch. I trust you can offer a prism from an old OM-10, or doesn't that fit? Wiliam > Datum: 20/10/08 03:06 PM > Van: "John Hermanson" > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > CC: > Onderwerp : [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage > > > Saw my first 4Ti with prism damage. Looks like the coating on the prism > had a pinhole. Moisture eventually got down to the coating and started > delamination. New prism from Olympus? $400 dollars. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 15:51:35 2008 Received: (qmail 29399 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 13:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 13:51:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE283C355A; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:51:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:51:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-4.orange.nl (smtp-4.orange.nl [193.252.22.249]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BB1C2845 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:48:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6309.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BEEF41C00084 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:48:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wwinf6302 (wwinf6302 [10.232.3.29]) by mwinf6309.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B79031C00083 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:48:13 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081020134813751.B79031C00083@mwinf6309.online.nl From: wiliam Wagenaar To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-ID: <18521790.591971224510493741.JavaMail.www@wwinf6302> Subject: [OM] Re: testing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [145.50.39.9] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:48:13 +0200 (CEST) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@online.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 15:51:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc8ce7210942070262475 Made it through to the Netherlands. Wiliam > Datum: 20/10/08 03:36 PM > Van: "JohnOR" > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > CC: > Onderwerp : [OM] testing > > just testing > > JohnOR > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 16:11:47 2008 Received: (qmail 20816 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 14:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 14:11:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4314BC2EB0; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:11:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:11:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63066C33F7 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:10:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KrvT1-0006Pw-W3 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:10:44 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <20081020015914.32099.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <9f07ac840810200033m65509122ubfe1d479aab9408f@mail.gmail.com> <48FC8069.1010609@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:10:37 +0100 Message-ID: <038301c932bd$a0674520$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <48FC8069.1010609@verizon.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckytLBL26YtyG/oT+u1eIrZGJcWSAACLw7g X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081018-0, 18/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 16:11:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fc91a3314311993019900 At least they are still available :-( -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hermanson Sent: 20 October 2008 13:58 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage Saw my first 4Ti with prism damage. Looks like the coating on the prism had a pinhole. Moisture eventually got down to the coating and started delamination. New prism from Olympus? $400 dollars. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 18:09:33 2008 Received: (qmail 20020 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 16:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 16:09:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E06C32EF; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:03:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:03:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42C3C635E for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:00:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so523161eyd.5 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:00:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vjPKV2X0TzVw+x9AF8BASjdSsrsT2+UoWVEsUNqAJBw=; b=BDw2MrbTKQ/cuBKXLcD7lV9UyRV31BWb4Gxdf0cg3bQqAVu6OFayfoCkgyJ7q4XOwj GOfN4xz63nKLv8VmNjUAP558k9iRjrNi7vSAepZKPOJAT4ULMmyyA3c+1z7DVF/vqpkN lF7NJpaEMsahctBPbnwKvSSt8TikKFPJH5nyw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=jVBxDiAZzyTcnJaEAPTQH/382OYiM/tjMUKXPIGjnQc9Qf6GAknipLIn/Hr2gwb4Oc D2tNN+RqHWSGrwhA/jskMXQbtGAcvyLIoK5ppAk9foVGX+Bz+ERfXkClGS08Im096wth ujlEJd9c67GyYxryVOfrDx2r+YxoNdbIql1tI= Received: by 10.86.68.2 with SMTP id q2mr6895791fga.17.1224514816266; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.2 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0810200800t76344382labacd3053eaf141@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:00:16 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage In-Reply-To: <038301c932bd$a0674520$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081020015914.32099.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <9f07ac840810200033m65509122ubfe1d479aab9408f@mail.gmail.com> <48FC8069.1010609@verizon.net> <038301c932bd$a0674520$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 18:09:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fcad3d53911257536491 I'm amazed they are still available. I thought the OM spare parts were sent to the dumpster years ago. Charlie On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > > At least they are still available :-( > > -- > Piers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of John Hermanson > Sent: 20 October 2008 13:58 > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage > > > Saw my first 4Ti with prism damage. Looks like the coating on the prism > had > a pinhole. Moisture eventually got down to the coating and started > delamination. New prism from Olympus? $400 dollars. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 18:10:41 2008 Received: (qmail 30994 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 16:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 16:10:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592A9C5233; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:09:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:09:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB40C4432 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:56:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so1383113ika.1 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:56:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=p8WhKCloXBLRDtzr4GEBfQ+Mab+KHIXYHhEFeqxbtuU=; b=izpMK1HUANt8qq/jLkZzvp76EwNxBxVvYZIhC6VAp2hvRvPwFgb2Ym0MTwuOjLQd7K Hs8V/cbaYNDwfcWWvBvBKZ21ZlIESs780gDG+rvNTOujVvDIgwWzq/OhV/hpqL6dEz7e oZc5wNeTc58QWVLzVnWUGoIGNkFfYTT8O0Y0s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=j73KUAET07IjFTDzOVQpmKs8/FG+yIWKw76RP4PA3qb+3QWbEYBA3tV6FBEOvbZQZ3 Sgo88+TZfs4xzYY/yJhFQOfjPTIbe/cLUJwiUpPKzqTsLupzLVgyb2e9nSJ956N4WWqQ zSWVVfmz5cRorpoaZ58B/doyPTMmuSf5Clxs4= Received: by 10.86.100.19 with SMTP id x19mr6818815fgb.70.1224514573933; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.2 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0810200756i479592b8p9641e369421e713a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:56:13 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Pol question In-Reply-To: <8CB007617D2AB0D-B00-1E8F@WEBMAIL-MY22.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CB007617D2AB0D-B00-1E8F@WEBMAIL-MY22.sysops.aol.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 18:10:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fcad81155001499373980 Mike, You may want to check your other polarizers; mine only one piece of glass that is set into a ring that allows it to rotate. Makes sense...if you had two polarizing filters it would go black when thay are at right angles to each other. Charlie On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:52 PM, wrote: > > Finally able to find a rear 43mm pol for the Tamron 400/4. (10 buck > snipe) It is a single piece of glass???? Every other pol, linear or > otherwise, always had two. Must be a good reason to add the extra > glass. I do have some pol film to put on the T28 or T32 for cross pol > purposes but perhaps that is a suboptimal way to construct them. I > could see that perhaps a quarter wave retarder might be in the second > glass for a circular flavor but it struck me as very odd construction. > It is a bit of a pain to use with no way to rotate it externally unlike > the newer Tam 300/2.8 AF. Any ideas of the advantages of the usual two > glass construction? > > Thanks, > Mike > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 18:53:30 2008 Received: (qmail 14991 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 16:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 16:53:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1B2C5C94; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:48:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:48:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F35C7E56 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:43:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vms125.mailsrvcs.net ([172.18.12.132]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K91000LCNP6AQ60@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:43:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 71.183.219.163 ([71.183.219.163]) by vms125.mailsrvcs.net (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:43:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:43:54 -0500 (CDT) From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage X-Originating-IP: [71.183.219.163] To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <1494631405.2178831224517434958.JavaMail.root@vms125.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 18:53:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fcb78964803675314703 I wish, only OM-4 prism fits. It has special lens and accessory prism attached to the front that allows you to see the LCD display. John Hermanson, CPS Inc. 21 South Lane, Huntington NY 11743 Olympus OM Service since 1977 omtech1@verizon.net | www.zuiko.com 631-424-2121 Oct 20, 2008 09:48:39 AM, olympus@ml.free.fr wrote: $400,-? Ouch. I trust you can offer a prism from an old OM-10, or doesn't that fit? Wiliam >Datum: 20/10/08 03:06 PM >Van: "John Hermanson" >Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr >CC: >Onderwerp : [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage > > >Saw my first 4Ti with prism damage. Looks like the coating on the prism >had a pinhole. Moisture eventually got down to the coating and started >delamination. New prism from Olympus? $400 dollars. >___________________________________ >John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >omtech1 AT verizon.net >Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 19:18:49 2008 Received: (qmail 25331 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 17:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 17:18:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410E4C4CFB; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:10:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:10:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C68C2C99 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:11:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-56-211.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.56.211]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9KGBWiB017117 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:11:33 -0200 Message-ID: <48FCBBBC.1070909@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:11:24 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] OT - test References: <61647F10-E691-45DC-8C56-C9E2B07A7A9A@roadrunner.com> <564A0289619F447ABEBF3D7EFE1759D3@hudson> In-Reply-To: <564A0289619F447ABEBF3D7EFE1759D3@hudson> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 19:18:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fcbd79111069347015869 vvvvvv ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 20:05:03 2008 Received: (qmail 7090 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 18:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 18:05:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC49CC4B8C; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:47:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:47:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl37.gs02.gridserver.com (cl37.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E8FC3A5D for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:24:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50889 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl37.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KrxYl-0003uk-OD for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:24:48 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:24:45 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage Thread-Index: Acky0Fznm7s7Np7DEd2n2QAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0810200800t76344382labacd3053eaf141@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 20:05:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fcc84f15431993019900 The OM-4T is the only OM model they support anymore. We send our OM-4T's to John because he is a LOT less expensive for repairs than Olympus is, and he does a better job. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 10/20/08 11:00 AM, "Charles Geilfuss" wrote: > > I'm amazed they are still available. I thought the OM spare parts were > sent to the dumpster years ago. > > Charlie > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > >> >> At least they are still available :-( >> >> -- >> Piers >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf >> Of John Hermanson >> Sent: 20 October 2008 13:58 >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage >> >> >> Saw my first 4Ti with prism damage. Looks like the coating on the prism >> had >> a pinhole. Moisture eventually got down to the coating and started >> delamination. New prism from Olympus? $400 dollars. >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> omtech1 AT verizon.net >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 20:33:31 2008 Received: (qmail 28315 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 18:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 18:33:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A6BC3966; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:30:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:30:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3362C505A for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-0c2ibh5.cable.earthlink.net ([24.41.46.37] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Kry5N-0005se-00; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:58:29 -0400 Message-ID: <48FCB8B7.4010401@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:58:31 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Cc: Chuck Norcutt Subject: [OM] Re: Just a test. I'm seeing no traffic References: <20081020015914.32099.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> In-Reply-To: <20081020015914.32099.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081018-0, 10/18/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 20:33:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fccefb75291529615919 I'm still getting messages from the list. chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > Chuck Norcutt > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 20:58:44 2008 Received: (qmail 22178 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 18:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 18:58:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0503DC3061; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:49:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:49:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA97C41CE for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:26:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081020172637.COFK8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:26:37 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id V5Sb1a00D4vDLwc025SbF0; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:26:35 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=vjJ86JBaOQcqPtiPfU0A:9 a=tqPF3jYxhiId5aL0Q70A:7 a=OvM32IRFphl17Y0X_sgqG9eRemsA:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=0dRpvnS4h04A:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <9743E7F56E494C74B0C9DDBD2969D2CF@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <8CB007617D2AB0D-B00-1E8F@WEBMAIL-MY22.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Pol question Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:26:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 20:58:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fcd4e4234909347015869 Mike, As I understand it, polarizers must be made of plastic. For whatever reason, glass can't be polarized. Thus, al polarizers are a sandwich, to protect the plastic. The ultra expensive german ones as especially sealed. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:52 PM Subject: [OM] Pol question > > Finally able to find a rear 43mm pol for the Tamron 400/4. (10 buck > snipe) It is a single piece of glass???? Every other pol, linear or > otherwise, always had two. Must be a good reason to add the extra > glass. I do have some pol film to put on the T28 or T32 for cross pol > purposes but perhaps that is a suboptimal way to construct them. I > could see that perhaps a quarter wave retarder might be in the second > glass for a circular flavor but it struck me as very odd construction. > It is a bit of a pain to use with no way to rotate it externally unlike > the newer Tam 300/2.8 AF. Any ideas of the advantages of the usual two > glass construction? > > Thanks, > Mike > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:19:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <253CCF28282D42A4BA60ACB5F2484700@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <61647F10-E691-45DC-8C56-C9E2B07A7A9A@roadrunner.com> <564A0289619F447ABEBF3D7EFE1759D3@hudson> <48FCBBBC.1070909@adinet.com.uy> Subject: [OM] Re: OT - test Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:19:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 21:15:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fcd8dc193391823421471 I received this at 12:18 CDT Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:11 PM Subject: [OM] OT - test > > vvvvvv > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 21:21:46 2008 Received: (qmail 21613 invoked by uid 0); 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charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: OT - test Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:39:00 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48FCBBBC.1070909@adinet.com.uy> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] OT - test thread-index: Acky1/JVWyho2Q3BQgK/HhFI74srdgAAsdJg From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2008 17:39:00.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCD82130:01C932DA] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 21:21:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fcda4a154541234514069 zzzzzzzzzzz -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Fernando Gonzalez Gentile Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:11 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] OT - test vvvvvv ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== Please be advised that this email may be a confidential communication and may contain confidential information. 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To be used in combination with my e-camera. Is there anyone who has experience with his lens? Thanks in advance Maarten ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 21:48:11 2008 Received: (qmail 19949 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 19:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 19:48:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E86C9125; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:44:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:44:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [207.115.11.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D0BC3D46 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:35:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20081020183528H02004kp9de>; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:35:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <7BC28E3F9C544BAAA57346B5450F3667@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20081020015914.32099.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48FCB8B7.4010401@spokeandsprocket.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Just a test. I'm seeing no traffic Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:35:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 21:48:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fce07b45317927319144 Jim, I received this at 1:33pm CDT on 10/20/08. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Couch at home" To: Cc: "Chuck Norcutt" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Just a test. I'm seeing no traffic > > I'm still getting messages from the list. > > chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 21:58:50 2008 Received: (qmail 13873 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 19:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 19:58:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EAFC4D01; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:58:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:58:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662F4C8909 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:57:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([72.81.130.245]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9100JBEWNQBQ31@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:57:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:57:17 -0400 From: Rand E Subject: [OM] Re: Just a test. I'm seeing no traffic In-reply-to: <48FCB8B7.4010401@spokeandsprocket.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48FCD48D.9070102@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081020015914.32099.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> <48FCB8B7.4010401@spokeandsprocket.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rtomcala@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 21:58:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fce2fa179411023412894 I got you Jim, ut nothing else for the last couple of days. Rand E. Jim Couch at home wrote: > I'm still getting messages from the list. > > chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com wrote: > >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 22:00:09 2008 Received: (qmail 16792 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 20:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 20:00:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97801C939D; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB31C55A4 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:32:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.219.163]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K91000I4VI1A4M0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:32:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:32:33 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48FCCEC1.4010705@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 22:00:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fce349324938512572685 Olympus is still servicing OM-3Ti, 4T and Ti so they have lots of those parts in stock. John On 10/20/2008 11:00:16 AM, Charles Geilfuss (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com) wrote: > I'm amazed they are still available. I thought the OM spare parts were > sent to the dumpster years ago. > > Charlie > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > > > > > At least they are still available :-( > > > > -- > > Piers > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > > Of John Hermanson > > Sent: 20 October 2008 13:58 > > To: olympus@ml.free.fr ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 22:05:31 2008 Received: (qmail 26987 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 20:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 20:05:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075C0C518C; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:02:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:02:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.63]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 223DDC55A1 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:15:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 43772 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Oct 2008 19:15:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=A13GeqN8pymEZHkwgA8GJPJVEtZNn1SpH2BpC7ZOu+Vf1O9EHB2Ozbeg+vOPx1EJuJaN+nbOHhBkf6o6XS1QRj0NC+bY2LfwoPnW8KfoOkVUWDeEqPOUmTmz3h2wr/4AA22trCZEkOAwPreuDnXsLOZ88TL8sf/+ADq6dAxVKJk=; X-YMail-OSG: wrJIfMoVM1kCRRjjnN6UR2dEI8MibpTf3C2kASPEGEK0ZpHOr9dxDzVZfgk4TRHmQH3Snt_CVaeA83PS1B440DG33blQZX6I78u7.RuLa.CKC9Adc5OVhNxfx9N89IM6dnObVt7s8osNYa9YGmfLJEkDY.7eNtO__s.vMw7lnHRe2v0et2vTDzwGNq0RvXLVPF68KoB0Mlawylg- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:15:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:15:57 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Lens Firmware Updates To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9743E7F56E494C74B0C9DDBD2969D2CF@SueHome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <890354.43622.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 22:05:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fce48b218242336821329 Olympus Imaging Corporation (hereinafter "Olympus"), Panasonic Corporation (hereinafter "Panasonic"),and Sigma Corporation (hereinafter "Sigma") have joined forces to launch an online firmware update service that will enable users to easily update the firmware in interchangeable DSLR lenses compliant with the Four Thirds System Standard, even when the camera and lens are not made by the same manufacturer. Scheduled to start on October 15, 2008, this new joint service is the first of its kind in the industry*... Straight from the four-thirds email blast. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 22:45:30 2008 Received: (qmail 19624 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 20:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 20:45:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1298CC308C; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:45:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:45:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 38AAEC28B6 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:45:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3723 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 20:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 20:45:14 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <890354.43622.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <890354.43622.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <3A1EF730-7293-4547-A8C5-5DDC3252AA7D@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:45:13 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 22:45:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fcedea122031823421471 Great. Dya reckon this one will work? Andrew Fildes (who still can't update his E-1) afildes@people.net.au On 21/10/2008, at 6:15 AM, AS wrote: > > Olympus Imaging Corporation (hereinafter "Olympus"), Panasonic > Corporation (hereinafter "Panasonic"),and Sigma Corporation > (hereinafter "Sigma") have joined forces to launch an online > firmware update service that will enable users to easily update the > firmware in interchangeable DSLR lenses compliant with the Four > Thirds System Standard, even when the camera and lens are not made > by the same manufacturer. Scheduled to start on October 15, 2008, > this new joint service is the first of its kind in the industry*... > > Straight from the four-thirds email blast. > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Oct 20 23:34:57 2008 Received: (qmail 12038 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 21:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 21:34:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319D6C3437; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:34:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:34:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCACC33C3 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:34:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-1-59.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.1.59]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9KLYdGW021374 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:34:40 -0200 Message-ID: <48FD0778.6040600@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:34:32 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT - test References: <61647F10-E691-45DC-8C56-C9E2B07A7A9A@roadrunner.com> <564A0289619F447ABEBF3D7EFE1759D3@hudson> <48FCBBBC.1070909@adinet.com.uy> <253CCF28282D42A4BA60ACB5F2484700@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <253CCF28282D42A4BA60ACB5F2484700@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 20 23:34:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fcf981312621234514069 just found what's happening _ problem is on my side: server is holding [OM] as Spam ... :-( adinet.com.uy shall not make an exception with [OM] mail - they will remain as Spam. Only way out of this is changing ISP provider, other than selecting and moving from Spam folder to Inbox folder. Added to address book ( groups and contacts ) - will see if this heals the trouble. Sorry for bothering you, but I could never have imagined such a change in this ISP - found its reason by mere chance. Fernando. Jim Nichols wrote: > I received this at 12:18 CDT > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:11 PM > Subject: [OM] OT - test > > > >> vvvvvv >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 00:16:39 2008 Received: (qmail 7636 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 22:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 22:16:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02E0C31DB; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:16:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:16:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (fed1rmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.241.43]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CFEC30CE for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:16:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081020221621.RYDO6482.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:16:21 -0400 Received: from MICRONDESKTOP ([68.231.166.251]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id VAGM1a00T5RmP9w04AGMR7; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:16:21 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8yeDihMhkxMA:10 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=h-r159NjmXodkiNwInAA:9 a=aNQPOameMcLeC46QTqIA:7 a=ZqO6evze1HaBdbzXdSic4GbNSJAA:4 a=7mayv77iRtYA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <06139AD18A9E442BBF96FACF4BC6CA2D@MICRONDESKTOP> From: "Johann Thorsson" To: References: <61647F10-E691-45DC-8C56-C9E2B07A7A9A@roadrunner.com> <564A0289619F447ABEBF3D7EFE1759D3@hudson> <48FCBBBC.1070909@adinet.com.uy> <253CCF28282D42A4BA60ACB5F2484700@jimnichols> <48FD0778.6040600@adinet.com.uy> Subject: [OM] Re: OT - test Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:09:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.3959 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: johann@tamu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 00:16:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fd0347286121591313764 You could try to subscribe through Gmail, and then have you mailclient retrieve it directly from there. J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 15:34 Subject: [OM] Re: OT - test > > just found what's happening _ problem is on my side: server is holding > [OM] as Spam ... :-( > > adinet.com.uy shall not make an exception with [OM] mail - they will > remain as Spam. Only way out of this is changing ISP provider, other > than selecting and moving from Spam folder to Inbox folder. > Added to address book ( groups and contacts ) > - will see if this heals the trouble. > > Sorry for bothering you, but I could never have imagined such a change > in this ISP - found its reason by mere chance. > > Fernando. > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> I received this at 12:18 CDT >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:11 PM >> Subject: [OM] OT - test >> >> >> >>> vvvvvv >>> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 01:04:40 2008 Received: (qmail 23705 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 23:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 23:04:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E80C2BD4; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:04:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:04:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com (unknown [193.252.22.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B6CC2AB2 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:04:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3633.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 85F577000086 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:04:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from GeeBee (unknown [91.107.65.59]) by mwinf3633.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 420897000081 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:04:28 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081020230428270.420897000081@mwinf3633.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <1EDC6F3A434B4C7BBE51008EE290505C@GeeBee> From: "Gee Bee" To: "OM List" Subject: [OM] #182 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:04:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: graham@geebeephoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 01:04:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fd0e8860251529615919 Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 135mm f2.8 : Kodak Professional BW400 CN http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08182.htm --Graham http://www.geebeephoto.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 01:09:04 2008 Received: (qmail 25584 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 23:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 23:09:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAF9C285C; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:08:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:08:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78A5C28FC for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:08:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20081020230849H0100k716qe>; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:08:49 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <2E778E922F9B4F84B599A95DE42A5AEE@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <1EDC6F3A434B4C7BBE51008EE290505C@GeeBee> Subject: [OM] Re: #182 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:08:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 01:09:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fd0f90242761585427447 Graham, Very nice! The 135 gives a nice perspective for this particular portrait. Thanks for sharing. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gee Bee" To: "OM List" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:04 PM Subject: [OM] #182 > > Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 135mm f2.8 : Kodak Professional BW400 CN > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08182.htm > > > > --Graham > http://www.geebeephoto.com > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 01:29:52 2008 Received: (qmail 7487 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2008 23:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 23:29:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48131C2B76; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:29:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:29:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA3AC2BEE for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:29:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d07.41ea4e5f (37165) for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA044-5baf48fd145155; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:29:36 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-DY38 (webmail-dy38.sim.aol.com [205.188.185.222]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA016-5baf48fd145155; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:29:21 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Pol question Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:29:21 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 75.147.3.221 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 75.147.3.221 by WEBMAIL-DY38.sysops.aol.com (205.188.185.222) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:29:21 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB0122D0A2927C-88C-145D@WEBMAIL-DY38.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 01:29:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fd1470192721838542571 Aaah, Thanks Charlie and Bill, you have awoken some dormant neurons. Now I remember Walt liked the Kaeseman pols that sealed in the polarizing foil. So my confusion is how the sandwich is made. The ones where the back glass is fixed to the frame appears to be the "two piece." Perhaps some use polarizing film rather than foil. I can rest easier. Clearly can't use two polarizing films in one filter, though wonder if those expensive Singh-ray variable ND filters actutally use crossed pols. Thanks again for your help. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 02:38:39 2008 Received: (qmail 1303 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 00:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 00:38:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88ABAC386D; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:38:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:38:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD00DC3852 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:38:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081021003820.XCDU22786.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:38:20 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id VCeK1a00M4vDLwc02CeKlw; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:38:20 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=WrVL9Pd2Ypt6n4yMIq0A:9 a=kcBTjVyCREKEcLEIjfwA:7 a=H0DinjaZOhpOPEbAuOtSLkdvBf8A:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <0EAACAB611DF465E8D668B45018AAEC3@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <8CB0122D0A2927C-88C-145D@WEBMAIL-DY38.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Pol question Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:38:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 02:38:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fd248f203441744846740 When I hear foil, I automatically think of metal. The plastic is quite thin, like a gelatin filter. bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:29 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Pol question > > Aaah, > Thanks Charlie and Bill, you have awoken some dormant neurons. > Now I remember Walt liked the Kaeseman pols that sealed in the > polarizing foil. So my confusion is how the sandwich is made. The > ones where the back glass is fixed to the frame appears to be the "two > piece." Perhaps some use polarizing film rather than foil. I can rest > easier. Clearly can't use two polarizing films in one filter, though > wonder if those expensive Singh-ray variable ND filters actutally use > crossed pols. > Thanks again for your help. > > Mike > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 03:32:20 2008 Received: (qmail 18193 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 01:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 01:32:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8616FC35D9; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:32:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:32:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.62]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B2E89C333B for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:28:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17448 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2008 01:28:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=lyqnKB0DcLOBPM/dRRjOtyGMXNxDIUgZu6dm6xXwOKTdDZL3JirxF+Z8uyCGgdmwZASrYtoGFJ4iBh3HGZqB+GFjuv/jZ1IAehtaZmMT7I7iUW4YCA/X8+sagcFP8XcQZpPy+MI0ojeNH0lTPoosjguVuUd3nkc0/J6CiFbmrU4=; X-YMail-OSG: _RSh7dsVM1kxxzZSHo3zZ7bG7gbV_Q0dK9GgiTo6Z4fBDCvw8TEr8S9._2gzH5BAvB7RIEB8mzE3PGELeZ8X6oCLJ56.EZ_hiaOVArGLa8KlRNlrxvSlDsncBKPlB_AfTdV2IjwBFg56JdeyvqyHIpNvyFk- Received: from [71.126.29.88] by web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:28:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:28:07 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <3A1EF730-7293-4547-A8C5-5DDC3252AA7D@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <26897.16935.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 03:32:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fd3124218541234514069 Firmware update for the E-1 = buy a C*non! ha ha!! Have you contacted Olympus? --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Andrew Fildes wrote: > From: Andrew Fildes > Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 4:45 PM > Great. Dya reckon this one will work? > Andrew Fildes (who still can't update his E-1) > afildes@people.net.au > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 04:26:04 2008 Received: (qmail 30165 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 02:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 02:26:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374ABC3710; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:25:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:25:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10070C3129 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:25:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-6-57.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.6.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9L2PgZU007047 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:25:43 -0200 Message-ID: <48FD4BAF.5050806@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:25:35 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage References: <48FCCEC1.4010705@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48FCCEC1.4010705@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 04:26:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fd3dbc95721591313764 That's good news somehow, despite the cost of repair parts. Does the plain OM-4 need dedicated parts, different from those in the T models, which are not in stock ?. I'm enjoying my first OM-4 very much; this prism horror movie makes me wonder. Nevertheless, my first roll of Provia 100F is showing me unbelievable pictures - hope to scan and upload soon. But my windows machine has maliciously interfered my hopes ... this nightmare began when I installed a Logitech Quickcam Connect, its driver has a .sys that intrudes everywhere, particularly into NikonScan 4.0.2. Had to reformat twice, and now I cannot make my Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary ( CD-ROM install ) to launch ... last, this unfortunate ISP behavior. Good news is that I'm beginning to understand software logic of xp sp3 ... took me several months :^). Good news is that my new OM-4 is letting me imagine and proceed to make photographs with new ideas. Fernando. John Hermanson wrote: > Olympus is still servicing OM-3Ti, 4T and Ti so they have lots of those > parts in stock. > > John > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 04:43:27 2008 Received: (qmail 18777 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 02:43:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 02:43:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDD5C3E52; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:42:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:42:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3587C3C76 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:41:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-6-57.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.6.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9L2fd06007728 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:41:39 -0200 Message-ID: <48FD4F6B.3050107@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:41:31 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT - test References: <61647F10-E691-45DC-8C56-C9E2B07A7A9A@roadrunner.com> <564A0289619F447ABEBF3D7EFE1759D3@hudson> <48FCBBBC.1070909@adinet.com.uy> <253CCF28282D42A4BA60ACB5F2484700@jimnichols> <48FD0778.6040600@adinet.com.uy> <06139AD18A9E442BBF96FACF4BC6CA2D@MICRONDESKTOP> In-Reply-To: <06139AD18A9E442BBF96FACF4BC6CA2D@MICRONDESKTOP> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 04:43:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fd41cf63011234514069 Yes, just as Moose does - must find the time to make those arrangements. For the time being, I feel happy enough to have discovered this amazing issue *by chance*. Just moving from Spam to Inbox in my server's account for a while. I want to stay near the computer as little as possible :^). Fernando. Johann Thorsson wrote: > You could try to subscribe through Gmail, and then have you mailclient > retrieve it directly from there. > > J > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 06:09:07 2008 Received: (qmail 6104 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 04:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 04:09:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E771C2C47; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:08:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:08:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F52C2C08 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:08:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081021040850.CJIT22820.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:08:50 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id VG8o1a00A4vDLwc02G8o86; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:08:48 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=UIZhKO68g3PcsGlRAG4A:9 a=4WvdYisKWJdF26n4xXIA:7 a=UvvuhJ7VWFy03e1SbVQJgb_iQcYA:4 a=pt045V2O6wwA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4215C7CFD9304A49B2F65374726B4266@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <48FCCEC1.4010705@verizon.net> <48FD4BAF.5050806@adinet.com.uy> Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:08:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 06:09:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fd55e3315961499373980 Are thjere steps that we 4ti owners can take to preserve the prism? Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage > > That's good news somehow, despite the cost of repair parts. > > Does the plain OM-4 need dedicated parts, different from those in the T > models, which are not in stock ?. > > I'm enjoying my first OM-4 very much; this prism horror movie makes me > wonder. > Nevertheless, my first roll of Provia 100F is showing me unbelievable > pictures - hope to scan and upload soon. > > But my windows machine has maliciously interfered my hopes ... this > nightmare began when I installed a Logitech Quickcam Connect, its driver > has a .sys that intrudes everywhere, particularly into NikonScan 4.0.2. > Had to reformat twice, and now I cannot make my Oxford Advanced > Learner's Dictionary ( CD-ROM install ) to launch ... last, this > unfortunate ISP behavior. > > Good news is that I'm beginning to understand software logic of xp sp3 > ... took me several months :^). > Good news is that my new OM-4 is letting me imagine and proceed to make > photographs with new ideas. > > Fernando. > > John Hermanson wrote: >> Olympus is still servicing OM-3Ti, 4T and Ti so they have lots of those >> parts in stock. >> >> John >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 07:22:12 2008 Received: (qmail 22933 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 05:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 05:22:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1009DC33AD; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:22:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:22:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail12.green.ch (mail12.green.ch [81.221.254.111]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4338C3277 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:22:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from macbook.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:21:59 +0200 Message-ID: <48FD66F5.508@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:21:57 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Pol question References: <8CB007617D2AB0D-B00-1E8F@WEBMAIL-MY22.sysops.aol.com> <14883a8b0810200756i479592b8p9641e369421e713a@mail.gmail.com> <48FCB153.9070501@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48FCB153.9070501@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2008 05:22:00.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1EC0140:01C9333C] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 07:22:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fd6704121182046811720 And then you have a variable ND filter ;-) I have just ordered a singh-ray duo filter, but during my research I found someone who used a circular filter near the lens and a linear at front and hey presto he had a vario ND should come up with a bit of googling. I liked the idea but think there must be a little bit more to the singh ray duo as it now includes a polariser built in, but it seems a good thing to try and if I had more time I would experiment myself. The singh-ray seems a good investment though, I couldn't find any secondhand for sale. IanW > Charles Geilfuss wrote: >> Mike, >> You may want to check your other polarizers; mine only one piece of >> glass >> that is set into a ring that allows it to rotate. Makes sense...if >> you had >> two polarizing filters it would go black when thay are at right >> angles to >> each other. >> >> Charlie >> >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:52 PM, wrote: >> >> > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 07:59:36 2008 Received: (qmail 26243 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 05:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 05:59:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBAD5C36F5; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:59:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:59:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0281DC389F for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:59:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7359 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2008 05:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) 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Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 21/10/2008, at 10:04 AM, Gee Bee wrote: > > Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 135mm f2.8 : Kodak Professional BW400 CN > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08182.htm > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 08:08:29 2008 Received: (qmail 23296 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 06:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 06:08:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497E5C3A45; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:08:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:08:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B9895C3C92 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:08:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7911 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2008 06:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 06:01:34 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <26897.16935.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <26897.16935.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:01:31 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 08:08:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fd71dd265182046811720 1. Done that. 2. What, you mean, like a human being.... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 21/10/2008, at 12:28 PM, AS wrote: > Firmware update for the E-1 = buy a C*non! ha ha!! > > Have you contacted Olympus? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 14:37:04 2008 Received: (qmail 1383 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 12:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 12:37:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D32C3C1C; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:36:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:36:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07C6C46DC for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:34:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.219.163]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9300EWA9L1PRS0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:34:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:34:23 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage In-reply-to: <48FD4BAF.5050806@adinet.com.uy> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48FDCC4F.2050302@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48FCCEC1.4010705@verizon.net> <48FD4BAF.5050806@adinet.com.uy> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 14:37:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fdccf054597927319144 A majority of mechanical parts are common to the 4-4T/Ti. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > That's good news somehow, despite the cost of repair parts. > > Does the plain OM-4 need dedicated parts, different from those in the T > models, which are not in stock ?. > > I'm enjoying my first OM-4 very much; this prism horror movie makes me > wonder. > Nevertheless, my first roll of Provia 100F is showing me unbelievable > pictures - hope to scan and upload soon. > > But my windows machine has maliciously interfered my hopes ... this > nightmare began when I installed a Logitech Quickcam Connect, its driver > has a .sys that intrudes everywhere, particularly into NikonScan 4.0.2. > Had to reformat twice, and now I cannot make my Oxford Advanced > Learner's Dictionary ( CD-ROM install ) to launch ... last, this > unfortunate ISP behavior. > > Good news is that I'm beginning to understand software logic of xp sp3 > ... took me several months :^). > Good news is that my new OM-4 is letting me imagine and proceed to make > photographs with new ideas. > > Fernando. > > John Hermanson wrote: >> Olympus is still servicing OM-3Ti, 4T and Ti so they have lots of those >> parts in stock. >> >> John >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 14:40:09 2008 Received: (qmail 6113 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 12:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 12:40:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CDBC2EE7; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:39:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:39:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC177C2FC2 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:35:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.219.163]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9300HNB9N4X652@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:35:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:35:38 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage In-reply-to: <4215C7CFD9304A49B2F65374726B4266@SueHome> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48FDCC9A.9010501@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48FCCEC1.4010705@verizon.net> <48FD4BAF.5050806@adinet.com.uy> <4215C7CFD9304A49B2F65374726B4266@SueHome> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 14:40:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fdcda976681585427447 All I can suggest is to store all cameras in a dry place. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Sue Pearce wrote: > Are thjere steps that we 4ti owners can take to preserve the prism? > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:25 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: 4Ti prism damage > > >> That's good news somehow, despite the cost of repair parts. >> >> Does the plain OM-4 need dedicated parts, different from those in the T >> models, which are not in stock ?. >> >> I'm enjoying my first OM-4 very much; this prism horror movie makes me >> wonder. >> Nevertheless, my first roll of Provia 100F is showing me unbelievable >> pictures - hope to scan and upload soon. >> >> But my windows machine has maliciously interfered my hopes ... this >> nightmare began when I installed a Logitech Quickcam Connect, its driver >> has a .sys that intrudes everywhere, particularly into NikonScan 4.0.2. >> Had to reformat twice, and now I cannot make my Oxford Advanced >> Learner's Dictionary ( CD-ROM install ) to launch ... last, this >> unfortunate ISP behavior. >> >> Good news is that I'm beginning to understand software logic of xp sp3 >> ... took me several months :^). >> Good news is that my new OM-4 is letting me imagine and proceed to make >> photographs with new ideas. >> >> Fernando. >> >> John Hermanson wrote: >>> Olympus is still servicing OM-3Ti, 4T and Ti so they have lots of those >>> parts in stock. >>> >>> John >>> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 > 2:52 PM > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 14:52:02 2008 Received: (qmail 26199 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 12:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 12:52:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44501C3027; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:51:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:51:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A0FC30E0 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:51:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28962 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2008 07:51:39 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.248.145.22) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 07:51:39 -0500 Message-ID: <48FDD061.5090507@ctgonline.org> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:51:45 -0500 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: visiting Chicago References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: cygnus@ctgonline.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 14:52:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fdd072124601499373980 siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > Greetings fellow Olynuts in Chicagotown. Any must see or good to see > things around S Wacker Dr or N Rush Street? I'll have one evening, and > want to walk around photo-ing and such. Or if any Zuikoheads who > haven't yet made the transition to Digital Zuiko would like to play > with an E3+12-60 over dinner :) > > Wish I had more time.. As it is, flying in late night on 21, training > 8-5 on 22, 23, and flying out 8p same day. Anything walkable and worth > seeing around Wacker (Apple) or Rush (Conrad hotel) would be > appreciated. I tend to like architecture and street photography. > Right off the top of my head.... can't come up with anything. My recommendation is to do what I usually do -- just keep walking as long as the area looks safe. If you're looking for architecture, the styles are just scattered throughout the city. Go ahead and play tourist and look up a lot. You'll see a bunch of neat buildings everywhere you walk. If my week wasn't so insane, I'd drive in from Indiana and meet you. But I've got meetings almost every night this week. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 15:52:02 2008 Received: (qmail 4694 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 13:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 13:52:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4F4C42D1; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:51:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:51:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B5EC32A1 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:45:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so380128ywt.89 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:45:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=yk1RviLg4+Z2tiEBnz0HQ7XbvOFS1YfsTn+dqH8hKmw=; b=b6tKPX7KBX2UvJqJrYGdUdb+rLmK/QGmbHVwlmxV0V+JUwr9VR0QpSPNE7wkR4FiPs Gz/O0TKh2C21tXdzymAApibs8ud8RLdd5JPl+7eNqRSOmlyjdr/Rn1Zfohs4EPzzfJa8 9mFF5cVouZnR5V8u5U9Z3M+qiYQMoyScyO3QI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=mOw2Y/TfK5sqfXX0hTYUXCYKMK3sPQiaUpkXbPxZcfWJ4YlIeGN2+0a1SNVVdV6XL9 Ri8J07I3IKBRIgZGxcAZp6mt+quf1oRISZeAEWzUP39V3gr0nm9aUpNLsNCDrMjYNtPG f4XkRSoos66Qglj1aDSUG5Lhbqq5GOZr5IvDc= Received: by 10.90.105.6 with SMTP id d6mr1933455agc.22.1224596758319; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:45:58 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: visiting Chicago In-Reply-To: <48FDD061.5090507@ctgonline.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48FDD061.5090507@ctgonline.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6244c513113c3d71 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 15:52:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fdde82299591993019900 That's actually a great part of downtown Chicago. You are just about a block away from "Pizzeria Uno"--the original store. You are about two minutes walk away from the river and all the fantastic archetechure around there. Walk over to Michigan Avenue and you have the Wrigley Building. This is the heart of one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Oh, and the corncob buildings are right there too. Between the river and the buildings, you have years worth of photo opportunities to explore. This is a safe area too. Obviously be aware of your surroundings, but this isn't downtown LA after dark. If I could, I would be there to join you. However, that would mean that I had a piece of equipment fail which requires me to drive five and a half hours to kick it in the shins. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 17:30:06 2008 Received: (qmail 2470 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 15:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 15:30:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA792C49CA; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:29:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:29:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CB7C4BB2 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:29:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 16040 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2008 10:29:17 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.248.145.22) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 10:29:16 -0500 Message-ID: <48FDF554.4020109@ctgonline.org> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:29:24 -0500 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: visiting Chicago References: <48FDD061.5090507@ctgonline.org> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: cygnus@ctgonline.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 17:30:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fdf57e196862070262475 Ken Norton wrote: > That's actually a great part of downtown Chicago. You are just about a > block away from "Pizzeria Uno"--the original store. You are about two > minutes walk away from the river and all the fantastic archetechure around > there. Walk over to Michigan Avenue and you have the Wrigley Building. > This is the heart of one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Oh, and > the corncob buildings are right there too. Between the river and the > buildings, you have years worth of photo opportunities to explore. This is > a safe area too. Obviously be aware of your surroundings, but this isn't > downtown LA after dark. > Right. Most of downtown is safe to wander at night. Chicago is truly a beautiful city. You should come back when you have more time. Take one of the Chicago Architecture Foundation tours. See the Frank Lloyd Wright buildings. Enjoy the food, the arts, the museums. Enjoy a theatre scene second to none. It's my hometown, and one of my favorite places in the world. One of my previous employers decided to move from Northwest Indiana to Norfolk, VA years ago, and offered to pay us to relocate along with them. I said no. We spent a weekend out there (all-expenses paid, ocean-front suite in Virginia Beach) and realized just how much we'd miss Chicago. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 17:53:09 2008 Received: (qmail 21385 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 15:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 15:53:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9BCC4A6B; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:52:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:52:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB02C52A7 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:50:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <30549658.26701224604679785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-196-2-102-155.wbs.co.za ([196.2.102.155]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 957 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:57:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OM] Well, I did it... From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Solms TCD Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:49:55 +0200 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 17:53:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fdfae5299491234514069 I am in the process of selling my Canon EOS gear, I put them up for very good (for me, i.e. substantial) prices, and I seem to be getting them sold- have received a lot of interest in the past couple of hours, tomorrow three expensive lenses will probably sell. Why? This damn OM system! I feel a big imbalance in my photographic technique between using my Mamiya / Linhof Technorama, and my Canon Digital Gear. And the OM body just feels "right" for the type of thing I do - more so than any other 35mm body I've used. I will miss the big ol' machine gun - and the Canon 1D MkIIN has, hands down, the most spectacular image quality of any 8MP camera. In fact, I have been using my 1D MkIIN for snapshots more than anything else lately - which is just crazy! So, I figured, I am getting into B&W film with OM gear bigtime, and I will get a high-end P&S (e.g. Canon G9/G10) for snapshots / documenting stuff, such as my car restoration project. Once I receive funds for the sold equipment this will fund the trip my OM gear will make to John for CLA (my OM-1n really should be smoother, and the meter is flakey, even though I do incident metering 90% of the time) as well as some serious expansion of my OM gear. I am not even going to ask you if I am crazy: I guess I am doing this because I *can*, and because digital SLR will be cheaper and better when I get back to it in the future. Somehow, after coming so close to losing my (and my beloved's) life with the attack in our home a week+ ago, I am a bit radical, and this is part of it. It's fun to try different things - as a hobbyist, I have that luxury. In the meantime, I am also going to spend more time with the ones I love, instead of processing RAW files. (although I can see the Darkroom changing that :-) For anybody who has read this far, does anybody have a 38mm f/2.8 Macro lens they want to sell? I am definitely going to pick up that auto-bellows I saw last week, and I will want some higher magnification than what the 90/2.0 provides on the bellows. I am sold on the fact that the 20/2.0 is maybe a bit extreme for the moment. And lastly, I really do want an OM-3Ti some time in the future. For most things, I do see myself preferring the beautiful simplicity of the OM-1n, but the metering as well as the 1/2000th shutter speed are both very desirable to me for the type of photography I do (macro, and shallow DOF in daylight). Is there anybody who is thinking of selling theirs, and what would the going rate be? I know how collectable these are, but they are also not unobtainable surely. wishing you all a great day, Dawid ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 19:03:40 2008 Received: (qmail 6679 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 17:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 17:03:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240D5C285B; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:03:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:03:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD5BC37F4 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:03:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KsKdj-0007Ht-70 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:03:27 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <30549658.26701224604679785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Subject: [OM] Re: Well, I did it... Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:03:17 +0100 Message-ID: <048601c9339e$ea5ca800$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <30549658.26701224604679785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckzlRydqVuQE/NMQb6OPtxGxFPhkgAA2mvw X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081021-0, 21/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 19:03:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe0b6c230601585427447 Well done on your decision, Dawid! Though your choice of catalyst might leave something to be desired ;-) The last 3Ti I saw for sale went for ca. GBP800, within about 48 hrs of being advertised earlier this year. I think that is a good marker price for a UK example in perfect condition. But if you are thinking of using 1/2000 for macro photography, you are going to need some *serious* light levels. 3Ti does offer high speed flash synchronisation, but it is at the cost of very low guide numbers. I wonder how practical that 1/2000 will be for macro. I would stick to OM-1. I did (and it was my 3Ti that sold). The 38/2.8 is even rarer than the 3Ti in my experience, it (with the 20/2.0) is one of the few Zuiko lenses I have not seen "in the flesh", so I can't help with a guide price, let alone one to sell! You might try looking out for the earlier 38/3.5 which, though a Zuiko, is RMS threaded, and needs an adaptor to fit to the OM-mount. It might be easier to find (and you probably will be stopping-down the 38/2.0 for DoF). I have the 20/3.5, but use it mostly in tandem with a 4mm cine lens for extremely wide DoF close-up work. You might like to experiment! www.hemy.me.uk/Miscellany/BrackenburyImage1.jpg is an early effort of mine. The flowers are dwarf narcissi, 2-3cm across, perhaps 2cm from the lens, and you can see the tripod leg at the right of the image. The trellis is about 20meters distant, the trees on the skyline maybe 100 meters distant. Not the usual narrow Dof from close-up work! The experiments were inspired by the work of John Brackenbury, who has a couple of books published - recommended. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Dawid Loubser Sent: 21 October 2008 16:50 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Well, I did it... I am in the process of selling my Canon EOS gear --snip Why? This damn OM system! I feel a big imbalance in my photographic technique between using my Mamiya / Linhof Technorama, and my Canon Digital Gear. And the OM body just feels "right" for the type of thing I do - more so than any other 35mm body I've used. --snip For anybody who has read this far, does anybody have a 38mm f/2.8 Macro lens they want to sell? I am definitely going to pick up that auto-bellows I saw last week, and I will want some higher magnification than what the 90/2.0 provides on the bellows. I am sold on the fact that the 20/2.0 is maybe a bit extreme for the moment. And lastly, I really do want an OM-3Ti some time in the future. For most things, I do see myself preferring the beautiful simplicity of the OM-1n, but the metering as well as the 1/2000th shutter speed are both very desirable to me for the type of photography I do (macro, and shallow DOF in daylight). --snip ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 19:08:33 2008 Received: (qmail 30742 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 17:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 17:08:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C86C3974; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:08:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:08:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A0CC58A4 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:08:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22525 invoked by uid 504); 21 Oct 2008 17:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DJCJ1HF1.zuik.net) (om3ti@66.92.94.174) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 21 Oct 2008 17:08:02 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081021125234.0110d930@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:07:43 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] back on list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 19:08:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe0c91107522336821329 Several of you may remember me from the past. I exited the OM list due to overloaded work schedule in attempting a startup company. Well the company ran out of money and is now in an asset sale and support phase. A smaller business may develop from that. With a bit more time I am catching up on home owner repairs and hopefully some time for photography. I still have some OM gear, but have not taken any photos for some time with it. I still have a couple of 4T's and one 3T and my favorite lenses, such as the 100/2. However, most of the time I shoot with C*n*n 5d. My film scanner has developed a bad case of dust, which causes halos around everything. Having spent both ends of my candle for too long, I may have forgotten how to take pictures. Perhaps a few of you can refresh my memory, what little is left. Wayne S ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 19:35:21 2008 Received: (qmail 7595 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 17:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 17:35:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BCCC60E8; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:35:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:35:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE46C60B4 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:33:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id y18so435214gvf.14 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:33:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=CvaP+GTe4Fr9iTEVW7z4xnSjG7kq4CR66OBCbAsRLUE=; b=F/A0UxErz/GtoKhDtyAxl4+02JPqv8rAv/QPKj2G6lmzl+6q8sOA8wRUDOYpUVgjTl LJCwi4k3qSa3K3rcxO18UzDlQWJnye9EPfctyV75iclg96rRfgaxxMh5xrviJJxvez/A Mu/bOt4flUPNtn23vp0MjyuECmQUXcW8pLcaA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=ebtBFhT/Jes8zt4XvIWZqkrVWjP2Z4C6KsyIka5b0LfqH5EoamUbdEsakTETP2L27n GPc3i1dKP5lpwqL5Gyc6WkFH1why9EAu+DTzj6R1isfiEZL374mvf5HuY2vwCdBRXMHj PRAZX3Pe5LP0OOoE8zviqxEdk4ZuN/NiSCUXo= Received: by 10.86.52.6 with SMTP id z6mr8226765fgz.18.1224610391039; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.2 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14883a8b0810211033t1484e7cbt5a9cbb1bfbfd841d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:33:11 -0400 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: back on list In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081021125234.0110d930@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081021125234.0110d930@zuik.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 19:35:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe12d9120121499373980 Welcome back Wayne. Sorry the new venture didn't work out, but if it gets you back into photography it's not a totally bad thing. I'll direct you here for some inspiration: http://www.millennics.com/olympus/tope/tope_index_page.php?event=35 Charlie On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:07 PM, WayneS wrote: > Several of you may remember me from the past. I exited the > OM list due to overloaded work schedule in attempting a > startup company. Well the company ran out of money and is > now in an asset sale and support phase. A smaller business > may develop from that. With a bit more time I am catching > up on home owner repairs and hopefully some time for > photography. > > I still have some OM gear, but have not taken any photos for > some time with it. I still have a couple of 4T's and one 3T and > my favorite lenses, such as the 100/2. However, most of the > time I shoot with C*n*n 5d. My film scanner has developed > a bad case of dust, which causes halos around everything. > > Having spent both ends of my candle for too long, I may have > forgotten how to take pictures. Perhaps a few of you can refresh > my memory, what little is left. > > Wayne S > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 20:08:56 2008 Received: (qmail 3882 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 18:08:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 18:08:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC26C4999; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:07:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:07:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-3.orange.nl (smtp-3.orange.nl [193.252.22.243]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4498C59DC for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:02:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6204.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 929611C00083 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:02:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6204.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5BC591C00082 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:02:28 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081021180228375.5BC591C00082@mwinf6204.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Well, I did it... Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:02:26 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <30549658.26701224604679785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 20:08:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe1ab8285791869477228 Well Dawid, It seems the dark side hast lost on you ;-)) Welcome back and feel the force! You have come to the right place; this is zuikoholic anonymous after all. I know you have more OM goodies coming your way... Enabler Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Dawid Loubser > Verzonden: dinsdag 21 oktober 2008 17:50 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Well, I did it... > > > > I am in the process of selling my Canon EOS gear, I put them > up for very good (for me, i.e. substantial) prices, and I > seem to be getting them > sold- have received a lot of interest in the past couple of > hours, tomorrow three expensive lenses will probably sell. > > Why? This damn OM system! I feel a big imbalance in my > photographic technique between using my Mamiya / Linhof > Technorama, and my Canon Digital Gear. And the OM body just > feels "right" for the type of thing I do - more so than any > other 35mm body I've used. I will miss the big ol' machine > gun - and the Canon 1D MkIIN has, hands down, the most > spectacular image quality of any 8MP camera. > > In fact, I have been using my 1D MkIIN for snapshots more > than anything else lately - which is just crazy! So, I > figured, I am getting into B&W film with OM gear bigtime, and > I will get a high-end P&S (e.g. Canon > G9/G10) for snapshots / documenting stuff, such as my car > restoration project. > > Once I receive funds for the sold equipment this will fund > the trip my OM gear will make to John for CLA (my OM-1n > really should be smoother, and the meter is flakey, even > though I do incident metering 90% of the > time) as well as some serious expansion of my OM gear. > > I am not even going to ask you if I am crazy: I guess I am > doing this because I *can*, and because digital SLR will be > cheaper and better when I get back to it in the future. > > Somehow, after coming so close to losing my (and my > beloved's) life with the attack in our home a week+ ago, I am > a bit radical, and this is part of it. It's fun to try > different things - as a hobbyist, I have that luxury. In the > meantime, I am also going to spend more time with the ones I > love, instead of processing RAW files. > > (although I can see the Darkroom changing that :-) > > For anybody who has read this far, does anybody have a 38mm > f/2.8 Macro lens they want to sell? I am definitely going to > pick up that auto-bellows I saw last week, and I will want > some higher magnification than what the 90/2.0 provides on > the bellows. I am sold on the fact that the 20/2.0 is maybe a > bit extreme for the moment. > > And lastly, I really do want an OM-3Ti some time in the > future. For most things, I do see myself preferring the > beautiful simplicity of the OM-1n, but the metering as well > as the 1/2000th shutter speed are both very desirable to me > for the type of photography I do (macro, and shallow DOF in daylight). > > Is there anybody who is thinking of selling theirs, and what > would the going rate be? I know how collectable these are, > but they are also not unobtainable surely. > > wishing you all a great day, > Dawid > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 21:29:52 2008 Received: (qmail 31334 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 19:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 19:29:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68B6C8FFE; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:06:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:06:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38798C5280 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:52:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3203.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 25709700008C for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:52:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from GeeBee (unknown [91.107.81.95]) by mwinf3203.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DE7B67000082 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:52:45 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081021185245911.DE7B67000082@mwinf3203.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <09DA311971514E298339611023544B7C@GeeBee> From: "Gee Bee" To: "OM List" Subject: [OM] #183 Grafton Regis Northamptonshire Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:52:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: graham@geebeephoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 21:29:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe2db0115262070262475 Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 100mm f2 : green filter : Kodak Professional BW400 CN http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08183.htm --Graham http://www.geebeephoto.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 22:38:54 2008 Received: (qmail 3239 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 20:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 20:38:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5ACC58AC; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:33:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:33:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ukmrpl003.it.hutchison3g.net (smtp-mbb.three.co.uk [217.171.128.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AFD0C7B4B for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:24:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13502 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2008 20:24:08 -0000 Received: from 92.40.59.236.sub.mbb.three.co.uk (92.40.59.236) by smtp-mbb.three.co.uk with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 20:24:08 -0000 Message-Id: <0B94EA74-4A6D-404D-B8F9-E00956EA8F74@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <09DA311971514E298339611023544B7C@GeeBee> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: #183 Grafton Regis Northamptonshire X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:24:07 +0100 References: <09DA311971514E298339611023544B7C@GeeBee> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 22:38:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe3dde176951234514069 There's a painterly feel to this shot, Graham. I like the composition. Chris On 21 Oct 2008, at 19:52, Gee Bee wrote: > > Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 100mm f2 : green filter : Kodak Professional > BW400 CN > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08183.htm > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 22:50:58 2008 Received: (qmail 24971 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 20:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 20:50:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E32BC287A; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:50:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:50:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C1AC285F for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:50:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i50so911063rne.11 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:50:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Y8ekIvUMP9hVPsMyIxtSkQJCYCr9mJ+r6xEt/yo1svI=; b=djygOv6o4NHCdDRXL9cFlszbI432FQ/VEcecs6isqZWpQewvTtvLdv4qxoyC5cSO6N G7oQ4nfXP/qxdWu23lXl7t3Ys8CIT932W1ioMurhUGTfPPEsBe0P11NtvtyD4dFeJ/z2 FL5HhOZKv4J4B60YgWPbTEwDru9bYvy7BYwbM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=qxUgxle1HAYqllfw0I5w8TAIN/5ih3sSnN+GgGiGh/78WNCVr74V2q6qHviBKswoRS NFLgFbS67/VYAR9xrssSmHiLpnFlm2dChVjl/Fj/wqlvK9f1SCXLdZpwreX9OuKAixiX gYiHu6cPfd5nQII+8XkbZefWRjifJGelGiKTI= Received: by 10.90.80.19 with SMTP id d19mr5972573agb.94.1224622245149; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:50:45 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Well, I did it... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <30549658.26701224604679785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2722966d8dde04b0 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 22:50:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe40b2194531234514069 For awhile I thought I was the only "OM Crazy" around here. Welcome back to the fold. There really is something so very very special and unique about the OM system. Today's DSLRs are the equivelent of a Minivan. I'd prefer to drive a sports car whenever I can. And, yes, if I scored an OM-3Ti, I'd probably put off a new DSLR purchase for another year. I've been doing some controlled testing and my current preferred films are Portra 160NC, Fuji Reala, Ilford PanF and Ilford Delta 400. I'm scanning on a Nikon Coolscan V-ED and I'm getting about the usable image simularity to a 10MP sensor. Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 23:07:06 2008 Received: (qmail 29276 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 21:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 21:07:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89400C30C3; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:06:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:06:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43641C3013 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:06:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [204.210.85.179]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081021210652.IIQQ649.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:06:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> References: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <2C29D786-3BCA-4AEB-A755-803E13911438@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 42: a two-day walk around Madrid Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:06:51 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 23:07:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe447a153949347015869 I like the main. And speaking of Franco, anyone out there been reading Rebecca Pawel's excellent series of mysteries with a most unusual protagonist, Carlos Tejada, an officer of the Guardia Civil during and immediately after the Spanish Civil War? The first one is Death of a Nationalist. You'd think a dyed-in-the-wool fascist wouldn't make a very likable protagonist, but ol' Carlos has his moments. It helps he's married to a Red wife. --Bob ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 23:47:27 2008 Received: (qmail 8328 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 21:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 21:47:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C2BC2D74; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:47:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:47:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E462C2D56 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:47:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K93003BGZ6QUNZ0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:47:14 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-9-73.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.9.73]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:12:53 -0300 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:47:04 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] calling Photoshop CS3 gurus To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnoMAHTq/UgYiglJ/2dsb2JhbACBbIgevDIHg0k X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,460,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="387108895" References: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> <2C29D786-3BCA-4AEB-A755-803E13911438@roadrunner.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 23:47:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe4def81551073733319 I assume that somewhere in CS3 there is a table of print characters like the copyright symbol, the dollar sign, etc that can be utilized in tandem with the type tool to embed text into an image. In particular I am looking for the copyright symbol to insert along the bottom edge of an image. Having to copy and paste the symbol from a word procesing program into CS3 is a PITA and un-necessary. Could someone please point me in the direction of those CS3 print characters and the menu options to get there? Thanks John Hudson ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 23:52:59 2008 Received: (qmail 28784 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 21:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 21:52:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB31AC2BCE; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:52:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:52:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl37.gs02.gridserver.com (cl37.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C9FC362F for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:52:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50969 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl37.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KsP9i-0004E2-3w for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:52:46 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:52:44 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] calling Photoshop CS3 gurus Thread-Index: Ackzx1jpl03d1p+6Ed2WFQAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 23:52:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe4f3b13637927319144 John, The keyboard shortcuts to get these characters are the same in all programs, not just photoshop. The copyright symbol is alt-G The dollar sign is on the keyboard if you're in the USA. I can't remember the keystrokes for it if you have a non-USA keyboard. Check out a book called "The PC is not a typewriter" (there is a Mac version of the book too, called The Mac is not a Typewriter). It has all the keystrokes for every symbol you could ever want. Written by Robin Williams, not the actor, she's a well known graphic designer who has written several computer books. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 10/21/08 5:47 PM, "John Hudson" wrote: > > I assume that somewhere in CS3 there is a table of print characters like the > copyright symbol, the dollar sign, etc that can be utilized in tandem with > the type tool to embed text into an image. > > In particular I am looking for the copyright symbol to insert along the > bottom edge of an image. > > Having to copy and paste the symbol from a word procesing program into CS3 > is a PITA and un-necessary. > > Could someone please point me in the direction of those CS3 print characters > and the menu options to get there? > > Thanks > > John Hudson > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Oct 21 23:58:34 2008 Received: (qmail 22614 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 21:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 21:58:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9613C32CA; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:58:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:58:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B7CC3432 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:58:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.23.170.145] (helo=anti-virus03-08) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KsPF7-0005ko-85 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:58:21 +0100 Received: from [77.99.183.220] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KsPF6-0001pS-PL for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:58:20 +0100 Message-Id: <54FF4D9A-0CF9-4A8D-9C1B-88D8FEF222D4@mailcan.com> From: James R To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:58:20 +0100 References: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> <2C29D786-3BCA-4AEB-A755-803E13911438@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: londonjames@mailcan.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 21 23:58:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe508a289191946193717 That sort of knowledge is the holy grail of computer use - think of the sleep deprived trying to find just that sort of thing at 3am with a deadline looming. My peak of frustration was battling a PC with US English software and a French keyboard, as a UK English Mac user. Wish I could help. James On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:47, John Hudson wrote: > > I assume that somewhere in CS3 there is a table of print characters > like the > copyright symbol, the dollar sign, etc that can be utilized in > tandem with > the type tool to embed text into an image. > > In particular I am looking for the copyright symbol to insert along > the > bottom edge of an image. > > Having to copy and paste the symbol from a word procesing program > into CS3 > is a PITA and un-necessary. > > Could someone please point me in the direction of those CS3 print > characters > and the menu options to get there? > > Thanks > > John Hudson > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 00:09:51 2008 Received: (qmail 1920 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 22:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 22:09:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E87AC280D; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:09:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:09:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E593BC2E05 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:09:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22736 invoked by uid 504); 21 Oct 2008 22:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 21 Oct 2008 22:09:36 -0000 Message-ID: <48FE5320.5080109@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:09:36 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yashica 1000mm lens References: <61647F10-E691-45DC-8C56-C9E2B07A7A9A@roadrunner.com> <564A0289619F447ABEBF3D7EFE1759D3@hudson> <48FCBBBC.1070909@adinet.com.uy> <48FCD2C8.5090301@wanadoo.nl> In-Reply-To: <48FCD2C8.5090301@wanadoo.nl> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 00:09:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe532f324731342116753 I checked the old Modern Photo tests of mirror lenses and there's no Yashica of any focal length and the only 1000mm tested was a Meade. But Yashica generally made good stuff so I wouldn't be too concerned about purchasing it if it's in good condition and you get a good price. But some other thoughts. There's a reason why you only see Meade listed in the 1000mm range. At 1000mm you are basically in telescope territory. Given the narrower angle of view of the e-camera it will be more like using a 2000mm lens on a 35mm camera. Been there, done that with my 2000mm Celestron 8. When you get that long and with that narrow a field of view it is extremely important to have 1) a massive tripod and sturdy head 2) a wider field finder to be able to locate your viewing target. If you're intent on 1000mm or above I think I'd skip the "lens" designation and go straight to a true telescope which is designed to resolve points 1) and 2) above. Meade and Celestron are the principal and low cost purveyors of same. Chuck Norcutt Maarten Schulte wrote: > Hi, > > I looking at a Yashica 1000mm mirror lens with M42 mount. > To be used in combination with my e-camera. > Is there anyone who has experience with his lens? > > Thanks in advance > > Maarten > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1653 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 6:57 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 00:12:16 2008 Received: (qmail 3714 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 22:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 22:12:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DB5C30F2; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:12:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:12:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A78FC27C4 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:11:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23905 invoked by uid 504); 21 Oct 2008 22:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 21 Oct 2008 22:11:20 -0000 Message-ID: <48FE5388.904@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:11:20 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: #182 References: <1EDC6F3A434B4C7BBE51008EE290505C@GeeBee> In-Reply-To: <1EDC6F3A434B4C7BBE51008EE290505C@GeeBee> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 00:12:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe53c0156814673671140 A little out of your normal range but nicely done. Chuck Norcutt Gee Bee wrote: > Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 135mm f2.8 : Kodak Professional BW400 CN > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08182.htm > > > > --Graham > http://www.geebeephoto.com > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1653 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 6:57 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 00:16:34 2008 Received: (qmail 9107 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 22:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 22:16:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CCEC3782; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:16:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:16:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A0DC2AB4 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:16:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27694 invoked by uid 504); 21 Oct 2008 22:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 21 Oct 2008 22:16:18 -0000 Message-ID: <48FE54B2.1010206@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:16:18 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: back on list References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081021125234.0110d930@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081021125234.0110d930@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 00:16:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe54c2250591869477228 Welcome back, Wayne. Just put the 4T on auto and push the button. But don't forget to focus after using the 5D. Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > Several of you may remember me from the past. I exited the > OM list due to overloaded work schedule in attempting a > startup company. Well the company ran out of money and is > now in an asset sale and support phase. A smaller business > may develop from that. With a bit more time I am catching > up on home owner repairs and hopefully some time for > photography. > > I still have some OM gear, but have not taken any photos for > some time with it. I still have a couple of 4T's and one 3T and > my favorite lenses, such as the 100/2. However, most of the > time I shoot with C*n*n 5d. My film scanner has developed > a bad case of dust, which causes halos around everything. > > Having spent both ends of my candle for too long, I may have > forgotten how to take pictures. Perhaps a few of you can refresh > my memory, what little is left. > > Wayne S > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1653 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 6:57 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 00:18:40 2008 Received: (qmail 29419 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 22:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 22:18:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A230C3452; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:18:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:18:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207BEC3A35 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:18:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 29021 invoked by uid 504); 21 Oct 2008 22:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 21 Oct 2008 22:18:26 -0000 Message-ID: <48FE5532.7020507@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:18:26 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: #183 Grafton Regis Northamptonshire References: <09DA311971514E298339611023544B7C@GeeBee> In-Reply-To: <09DA311971514E298339611023544B7C@GeeBee> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 00:18:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe5540313681838542571 You always have clouds with character. Apparently there are no wussy clouds around your parts. Chuck Norcutt Gee Bee wrote: > Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 100mm f2 : green filter : Kodak Professional BW400 CN > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08183.htm > > > > --Graham > http://www.geebeephoto.com > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1653 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 6:57 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 00:35:06 2008 Received: (qmail 9488 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 22:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 22:35:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522EEC2843; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:34:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:34:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8F6C3214 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:34:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d07.4203567d (37141) for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA033-5baf48fe5902379; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:34:48 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MZ03 (webmail-mz03.sim.aol.com [64.12.222.34]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA016-5baf48fe5902379; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:34:42 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Pol question Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:34:42 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.222.34) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:34:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB01E458374AE1-D4-51D@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 00:35:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe591a196021470116606 I do have a sheet of pol material from Dean to use on the T32/T28. Description of the Kaeseman pol's mention foil---see "features" on the B&H listing. Perhaps this is another way to do it. Mike http://tinyurl.com/6fyy8e When I hear foil, I automatically think of metal. The plastic is quite thin, like a gelatin filter. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 00:54:32 2008 Received: (qmail 4115 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 22:54:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 22:54:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8429AC2D09; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:54:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:54:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFFBC2996 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:54:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.cc0.4637b0d0 (37546) for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB027-5bb348fe5d8a84; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:54:13 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MZ03 (webmail-mz03.sim.aol.com [64.12.222.34]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA022-5bb348fe5d8a84; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:54:02 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Well, I did it... Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:54:02 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.222.34) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:54:02 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB01E70BFBD83D-D4-648@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 00:54:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe5da838001744846740 Expensive jobbies, but mighty purty. Perhaps consider a nice 4T for much less. I suppose one loss is being able to use TTL flash and drag the shutter with the 4T as it just synchs at 1/60 in "auto" but does have the nice faster shutter speed you were looking for. (no manual shutter , thus always need batteries of course) Perhaps there are other nuances with use of the F280 that I don't remember or never knew, but I like my 4T for macro with mirror lock up and aperture pre-fire to reduce vibration. (as the MLU is linked to the self timer with intermittent windy conditions will use a shot filled bag onthe lens/cam and in a small controlled experiment I couldn't consistently tell them apart.) Mike http://zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk/~rwesson/eSIF/om-sif/bodygroup/om3ti.htm And lastly, I really do want an OM-3Ti some time in the future. For most things, I do see myself preferring the beautiful simplicity of the OM-1n, but the metering as well as the 1/2000th shutter speed are both very desirable to me for the type of photography I do (macro, and shallow DOF in daylight). ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 01:07:39 2008 Received: (qmail 6841 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 23:07:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 23:07:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5CBC3313; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:07:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:07:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EA4C31E1 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:07:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9400JFP2WBZ1J0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:07:23 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-9-73.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.9.73]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:17:30 -0300 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:07:21 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <5FBB612D1C484AB7A8F6EB35736609D0@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnoMAOv9/UgYiglJ/2dsb2JhbACBbIgevFMHg0k X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,460,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="205644112" References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 01:07:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe60bb178031823421471 Chris: I cannot get the alt-G keystroke to print the copyright symbol. HOWEVER ..........if I engage the print tool and set the print font to one's favourite font the alpha numerics can be typed onto the image. To insert the copyright symbol change the pull down menu at the top left of the screen to "WP Typographic Symbols" and then press the number "8" at the top of the keyboard or on the number pad with the NumLock key engaged, the copyright symbol appears. What I am looking for is the chart that correlates the keys on the keyboard with the characters on the "WP Typographic Symbols" in the font pull down menu after engaging the text tool. I have tewo or three CS3 books and can't find that correlation table anywhere! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus > > John, > > The keyboard shortcuts to get these characters are the same in all > programs, > not just photoshop. The copyright symbol is alt-G > > The dollar sign is on the keyboard if you're in the USA. I can't remember > the keystrokes for it if you have a non-USA keyboard. Check out a book > called "The PC is not a typewriter" (there is a Mac version of the book > too, > called The Mac is not a Typewriter). It has all the keystrokes for every > symbol you could ever want. Written by Robin Williams, not the actor, > she's > a well known graphic designer who has written several computer books. > > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Photography & Graphic Design > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. > > > > On 10/21/08 5:47 PM, "John Hudson" wrote: > >> >> I assume that somewhere in CS3 there is a table of print characters like >> the >> copyright symbol, the dollar sign, etc that can be utilized in tandem >> with >> the type tool to embed text into an image. >> >> In particular I am looking for the copyright symbol to insert along the >> bottom edge of an image. >> >> Having to copy and paste the symbol from a word procesing program into >> CS3 >> is a PITA and un-necessary. >> >> Could someone please point me in the direction of those CS3 print >> characters >> and the menu options to get there? >> >> Thanks >> >> John Hudson >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 01:11:02 2008 Received: (qmail 26106 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 23:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 23:11:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B57C32E6; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:10:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:10:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81CDC2CAF for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:10:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9400JWC31WY8J0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:10:44 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-9-73.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.9.73]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:36:27 -0300 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:10:38 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <70E5E736C4454489ADD03D9C654FE227@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnoMACf+/UgYiglJ/2dsb2JhbACBbIgevFMHg0k X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,460,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="387151109" References: <5FBB612D1C484AB7A8F6EB35736609D0@hudson> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 01:11:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe6186304361591313764 I should have said "However .......... if I engage the text tool and set the print ......................................." ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus > > Chris: > > I cannot get the alt-G keystroke to print the copyright symbol. > > HOWEVER ..........if I engage the print tool and set the print font to > one's > favourite font the alpha numerics can be typed onto the image. To insert > the > copyright symbol change the pull down menu at the top left of the screen > to > "WP Typographic Symbols" and then press the number "8" at the top of the > keyboard or on the number pad with the NumLock key engaged, the copyright > symbol appears. > > What I am looking for is the chart that correlates the keys on the > keyboard > with the characters on the "WP Typographic Symbols" in the font pull down > menu after engaging the text tool. I have tewo or three CS3 books and > can't > find that correlation table anywhere! > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Crawford" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:52 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus > > >> >> John, >> >> The keyboard shortcuts to get these characters are the same in all >> programs, >> not just photoshop. The copyright symbol is alt-G >> >> The dollar sign is on the keyboard if you're in the USA. I can't remember >> the keystrokes for it if you have a non-USA keyboard. Check out a book >> called "The PC is not a typewriter" (there is a Mac version of the book >> too, >> called The Mac is not a Typewriter). It has all the keystrokes for every >> symbol you could ever want. Written by Robin Williams, not the actor, >> she's >> a well known graphic designer who has written several computer books. >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Photography & Graphic Design >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >> >> http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. >> >> >> >> On 10/21/08 5:47 PM, "John Hudson" wrote: >> >>> >>> I assume that somewhere in CS3 there is a table of print characters like >>> the >>> copyright symbol, the dollar sign, etc that can be utilized in tandem >>> with >>> the type tool to embed text into an image. >>> >>> In particular I am looking for the copyright symbol to insert along the >>> bottom edge of an image. >>> >>> Having to copy and paste the symbol from a word procesing program into >>> CS3 >>> is a PITA and un-necessary. >>> >>> Could someone please point me in the direction of those CS3 print >>> characters >>> and the menu options to get there? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> John Hudson >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 01:15:05 2008 Received: (qmail 14281 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 23:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 23:15:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD3DC2843; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:14:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:14:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485D0C2DDE for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:14:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.ca4.3b4a6b90 (37554) for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB033-5c5948fe625e27e; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:14:49 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MZ03 (webmail-mz03.sim.aol.com [64.12.222.34]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA037-5c5948fe625e27e; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:14:38 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Any Moose sightings? Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:14:38 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.222.34) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:14:38 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB01E9EC95DE05-D4-77E@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 01:15:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe6279303481499373980 Perhaps I missed it, but there is more often than not a "Moose on the Loose" post if he is going on sabbatical. Just a twinge of worry. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 01:16:41 2008 Received: (qmail 7000 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 23:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 23:16:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B416CC3374; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:16:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:16:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43EE1C2CE2 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:16:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50009 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KsQSh-0005cp-CV for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:16:27 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:16:24 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus Thread-Index: Ackz0wkRR5cQWJ/GEd2gwgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <5FBB612D1C484AB7A8F6EB35736609D0@hudson> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 01:16:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe62d987582046811720 Those books I mentioned do have the chart you want. The © symbol keystroke may be different in windows...i use a Mac, but I thought it was the same. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 10/21/08 7:07 PM, "John Hudson" wrote: > > Chris: > > I cannot get the alt-G keystroke to print the copyright symbol. > > HOWEVER ..........if I engage the print tool and set the print font to one's > favourite font the alpha numerics can be typed onto the image. To insert the > copyright symbol change the pull down menu at the top left of the screen to > "WP Typographic Symbols" and then press the number "8" at the top of the > keyboard or on the number pad with the NumLock key engaged, the copyright > symbol appears. > > What I am looking for is the chart that correlates the keys on the keyboard > with the characters on the "WP Typographic Symbols" in the font pull down > menu after engaging the text tool. I have tewo or three CS3 books and can't > find that correlation table anywhere! > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Crawford" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:52 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus > > >> >> John, >> >> The keyboard shortcuts to get these characters are the same in all >> programs, >> not just photoshop. The copyright symbol is alt-G >> >> The dollar sign is on the keyboard if you're in the USA. I can't remember >> the keystrokes for it if you have a non-USA keyboard. Check out a book >> called "The PC is not a typewriter" (there is a Mac version of the book >> too, >> called The Mac is not a Typewriter). It has all the keystrokes for every >> symbol you could ever want. Written by Robin Williams, not the actor, >> she's >> a well known graphic designer who has written several computer books. >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Photography & Graphic Design >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >> >> http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. >> >> >> >> On 10/21/08 5:47 PM, "John Hudson" wrote: >> >>> >>> I assume that somewhere in CS3 there is a table of print characters like >>> the >>> copyright symbol, the dollar sign, etc that can be utilized in tandem >>> with >>> the type tool to embed text into an image. >>> >>> In particular I am looking for the copyright symbol to insert along the >>> bottom edge of an image. >>> >>> Having to copy and paste the symbol from a word procesing program into >>> CS3 >>> is a PITA and un-necessary. >>> >>> Could someone please point me in the direction of those CS3 print >>> characters >>> and the menu options to get there? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> John Hudson >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 01:28:58 2008 Received: (qmail 13305 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2008 23:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 23:28:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0999C2CAF; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:28:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:28:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC83C3174 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:28:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24957 invoked by uid 502); 21 Oct 2008 23:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.204.48) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 21 Oct 2008 23:28:42 -0000 Message-ID: <48FE65A5.8000206@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:28:37 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Well, I did it... References: <30549658.26701224604679785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <30549658.26701224604679785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 01:28:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe65ba88654673671140 Dawid Loubser wrote: > ..... > > And lastly, I really do want an OM-3Ti some time in the future. For most things, I do see myself preferring the beautiful simplicity of the OM-1n, but the metering as well as the 1/2000th shutter speed are both very desirable to me for the type of photography I do (macro, and shallow DOF in daylight). > One thing to keep in mind. The OM-3 and 3Ti have no form of mirror lock up and/or aperture pre-fire at all. This can be a serious drawback for macro work. Even with really solid macro set-ups, proper mirror and aperture lock-up (as in some Nikons) or pre-fire, as with the OM-4 series of bodies* makes eliminating vibration effects on sharpness easier. The OM-1 is also not as good in this regard as the OM-4 series bodies, as it doesn't have aperture lock-up or pre-fire. The aperture mechanism induced movement is a real problem with certain mid range telephotos and could easily affect certain macro set-ups. Any of the bodies with mirror and aperture pre-fire is better suited to macro, especially the serious stuff you are contemplating, than the OM-1(n), 2(n) and 3(Ti) bodies. Another advantage of all these bodies except the OM-2000 is the ability to use them with the T series flashes, including the T8 & T10 ring and T28 macro flashes, for automatic TTL-OTF exposure control. That can be a BIG deal if you are to use flash for macro. Even the T32 can be a great macro flash with the simple, inexpensive set-up CH designed. He has posted samples taken with an OM-4 showing how well it works for macro subjects. and Moose * and the OM-2sp, OM-40/PC and OM2000 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 05:08:06 2008 Received: (qmail 25939 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 03:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 03:08:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03740C3003; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:07:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:07:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A4AC36E4 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:07:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 29977 invoked by uid 504); 22 Oct 2008 03:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 22 Oct 2008 03:07:51 -0000 Message-ID: <48FE9906.8030102@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:07:50 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list Subject: [OM] [OT] I have returned Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 05:08:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe9916196222070262475 I have returned from the great trip 'round the country which spanned the period from September 5 thru October 20. Poorer, of course, (especially as my investments were dwindling away in my absence) but I am wiser and it was a lot of fun. I also burned lots of liquid carbon in the process. I traveled a total of 11,508 miles (18,520 km) and my 2006 Buick Lucerne V8 consumed 492.44 gallons of gas (1,864 liters) at a total cost of $1,735.51 and average fuel mileage of 23.4 miles per gallon (9.94 km per liter). Gas prices were generally dropping during our travels and, despite having gone over my mileage estimate of 10,000 miles, the cost of gas came in well under my $2,000 estimate. I also determined that it's folly to count on per tank mileage measurements since it's obvious from my data that the tank isn't always full when the pump shuts off... even if you try to continue pumping beyond the shutoff. I got per tank mileage numbers ranging from a low of 16.9 MPG to as high as 29 MPG with low and high numbers usually sequentially arranged. It appears that the pump may sometimes shut off with the tank as much as a gallon short of full despite your efforts to assure that it's full. At least at a full gallon short it was clearly visible on the gas guage. I also snapped 3,459 raw files comprising 44.6 GB. That's a lot of stuff to wade through. Fortunately, probably at least one third is pure junk and much of the remainder is 3-6 frame panoramas. But that's still a lot of stuff to wade through. I spent a lot of time backing up to DVD's which I will not do again. I will instead invest in a 2-1/2" USB hard drive of 60-80 GB capacity. Some "interesting" happenings while on the road. Got my first ever speeding ticket in Wisconsin going 74 mph in a 55 mph zone. Deserted country two lane road going down hill. The @%@#$^ speed control on the Buick does not downshift to maintain speed as does my Chrysler. We managed to lock ourselves out of the car at a gas station in Amarillo, Texas. I got out to pump the gas, Peg got out to wash the windshield and accidentally pressed the door lock button as she got out. About 5 seconds later the car beeped the horn and locked all four doors. My keys were in the ignition and hers were in her purse inside the car. Gulp!!! Fortunately, my phone was on my belt and we were in a large metro area and AAA responded with a Slim-Jim guy in 15 minutes. It took that guy all of 10 seconds to open the car which lets you know how secure all your possessions are. Everything of value goes into the hotel at night. I also managed to "lose" my driver's license to base security at Barksdale Air Force Base outside Shreveport, Louisiana. We had stopped there to visit the 8th Air Force Museum and base security had taken our driver's licenses, and auto and car registrations. In some mix-up when the papers were handed back I never got my license back and didn't discover it until I was 200 miles away and being asked for ID at the hotel. Promises to mail me my license are so far just promises. I haven't been through the food and hotel bills yet. I think the food bill will be in line with my estimate but I think we often had to pay $10-20 more per night for hotels than I had estimated. That was the largest expense in the plan and will likely be larger yet. People high points of the trip were meeting Joel, AG and Moose as well as other friends and family members. I had planned to meet with Bill Barber as well but to save time we had to cut out the route going from Dallas to New Orleans via Austin, San Antonio and Houston in favor of the faster route through Shreveport. Of course, if I hadn't done that I'd still have a driver's license. Places to visit high points were Mackinaw and Sault Ste. Marie, Mt. Rushmore, Yellowstone and Grand Teton, Mt. Ranier and Mt. St. Helens, the coastal redwoods of California, the unfogged bits of the California coast including Point Lobos and the Hearst Castle, Death Valley (a pleasant surprise), Zion National Park, the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, Sedona, Arizona (been there but always love it), Natchez and Vicksburg, Mississippi and the several Civil War battlefields we visited (Vicksburg, Stones River and Antietam). There's lots more to tell but it's time to go to bed. Just one final comment. If it hadn't been for the French tourists in buses Death Valley would have been empty. Keep on comin' and bring plenty of Euros. :-) Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 05:11:34 2008 Received: (qmail 20753 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 03:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 03:11:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8ADC370A; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:11:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:11:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1508C3928 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:10:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 4115 invoked by uid 502); 22 Oct 2008 03:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.178.99) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 22 Oct 2008 03:10:47 -0000 Message-ID: <48FE99AE.6030209@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:10:38 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Olympus IS-1000 References: <48F74E66.50803@verizon.net> <48FC77F8.6020805@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48FC77F8.6020805@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 05:11:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe99e6216091529615919 John Hermanson wrote: > It could be the switch under the side panel. When the back snap shuts > a switch opens (or closes?). Bottom has to come off to remove side > plate, watch out for flying spring loaded parts. > If it were mine, and given the info from John, before taking anything apart, I'd first look to see if something has gotten into the switch/back connection to block or gum it up. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 05:23:07 2008 Received: (qmail 23956 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 03:23:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 03:23:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10E7C3AD6; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:22:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:22:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B557C39B8 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:21:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9704 invoked by uid 502); 22 Oct 2008 03:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.178.99) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 22 Oct 2008 03:21:19 -0000 Message-ID: <48FE9C29.7030301@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:21:13 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Pol question References: <8CB0122D0A2927C-88C-145D@WEBMAIL-DY38.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB0122D0A2927C-88C-145D@WEBMAIL-DY38.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 05:23:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe9c9b220391946193717 usher99@aol.com wrote: > Now I remember Walt liked the Kaeseman pols that sealed in the polarizing foil. So my confusion is how the sandwich is made. Whatever called, and however sandwiched in other things a linear polarizer uses one active element, while a circular uses two active elements. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 05:25:27 2008 Received: (qmail 20190 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 03:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 03:25:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7434FC2930; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:25:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:25:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BABC27D2 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:25:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 11980 invoked by uid 502); 22 Oct 2008 03:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.178.99) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 22 Oct 2008 03:25:14 -0000 Message-ID: <48FE9D13.3020906@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:25:07 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: back on list References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081021125234.0110d930@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081021125234.0110d930@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 05:25:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe9d27293901702588592 WayneS wrote: > Several of you may remember me from the past. I exited the OM list due to overloaded work schedule in attempting a startup company. Well the company ran out of money and is now in an asset sale and support phase. A smaller business may develop from that. With a bit more time I am catching up on home owner repairs and hopefully some time for photography. > Welcome back! I can't tell from the above whether the outcome was good or bad for you. Perhaps you don't know yet yourself? Anyway, I hope you are no worse off or worse for wear from the experience. > I still have some OM gear, but have not taken any photos for some time with it. I still have a couple of 4T's and one 3T and my favorite lenses, such as the 100/2. However, most of the time I shoot with C*n*n 5d. My film scanner has developed a bad case of dust, which causes halos around everything. > Sounds like a nice DIY cleaning project. :-) > Having spent both ends of my candle for too long, I may have forgotten how to take pictures. Perhaps a few of you can refresh my memory, what little is left. > Like riding a bicycle, you'll be back soon. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 05:36:53 2008 Received: (qmail 18506 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 03:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 03:36:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB97C340D; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:36:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:36:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B2FC365D for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:35:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20081022033548H04001mcd8e>; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:35:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <48FE9906.8030102@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] I have returned Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:35:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 05:36:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fe9fd5283061470116606 Hi, Chuck, Glad you made it back ok, and had an enjoyable trip. That's quite an undertaking for 6-7 weeks. Good luck on the driver's license. Perhaps your state would issue a duplicate. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus mail list" Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: [OM] [OT] I have returned >I have returned from the great trip 'round the country which spanned the > period from September 5 thru October 20. Poorer, of course, (especially > as my investments were dwindling away in my absence) but I am wiser and > it was a lot of fun. > > I also burned lots of liquid carbon in the process. I traveled a total > of 11,508 miles (18,520 km) and my 2006 Buick Lucerne V8 consumed 492.44 > gallons of gas (1,864 liters) at a total cost of $1,735.51 and average > fuel mileage of 23.4 miles per gallon (9.94 km per liter). Gas prices > were generally dropping during our travels and, despite having gone over > my mileage estimate of 10,000 miles, the cost of gas came in well under > my $2,000 estimate. I also determined that it's folly to count on per > tank mileage measurements since it's obvious from my data that the tank > isn't always full when the pump shuts off... even if you try to continue > pumping beyond the shutoff. I got per tank mileage numbers ranging from > a low of 16.9 MPG to as high as 29 MPG with low and high numbers usually > sequentially arranged. It appears that the pump may sometimes shut off > with the tank as much as a gallon short of full despite your efforts to > assure that it's full. At least at a full gallon short it was clearly > visible on the gas guage. > > I also snapped 3,459 raw files comprising 44.6 GB. That's a lot of > stuff to wade through. Fortunately, probably at least one third is pure > junk and much of the remainder is 3-6 frame panoramas. But that's still > a lot of stuff to wade through. I spent a lot of time backing up to > DVD's which I will not do again. I will instead invest in a 2-1/2" USB > hard drive of 60-80 GB capacity. > > Some "interesting" happenings while on the road. Got my first ever > speeding ticket in Wisconsin going 74 mph in a 55 mph zone. Deserted > country two lane road going down hill. The @%@#$^ speed control on the > Buick does not downshift to maintain speed as does my Chrysler. We > managed to lock ourselves out of the car at a gas station in Amarillo, > Texas. I got out to pump the gas, Peg got out to wash the windshield > and accidentally pressed the door lock button as she got out. About 5 > seconds later the car beeped the horn and locked all four doors. My > keys were in the ignition and hers were in her purse inside the car. > Gulp!!! Fortunately, my phone was on my belt and we were in a large > metro area and AAA responded with a Slim-Jim guy in 15 minutes. It took > that guy all of 10 seconds to open the car which lets you know how > secure all your possessions are. Everything of value goes into the > hotel at night. I also managed to "lose" my driver's license to base > security at Barksdale Air Force Base outside Shreveport, Louisiana. We > had stopped there to visit the 8th Air Force Museum and base security > had taken our driver's licenses, and auto and car registrations. In > some mix-up when the papers were handed back I never got my license back > and didn't discover it until I was 200 miles away and being asked for ID > at the hotel. Promises to mail me my license are so far just promises. > > I haven't been through the food and hotel bills yet. I think the food > bill will be in line with my estimate but I think we often had to pay > $10-20 more per night for hotels than I had estimated. That was the > largest expense in the plan and will likely be larger yet. > > People high points of the trip were meeting Joel, AG and Moose as well > as other friends and family members. I had planned to meet with Bill > Barber as well but to save time we had to cut out the route going from > Dallas to New Orleans via Austin, San Antonio and Houston in favor of > the faster route through Shreveport. Of course, if I hadn't done that > I'd still have a driver's license. > > Places to visit high points were Mackinaw and Sault Ste. Marie, Mt. > Rushmore, Yellowstone and Grand Teton, Mt. Ranier and Mt. St. Helens, > the coastal redwoods of California, the unfogged bits of the California > coast including Point Lobos and the Hearst Castle, Death Valley (a > pleasant surprise), Zion National Park, the North Rim of the Grand > Canyon, Sedona, Arizona (been there but always love it), Natchez and > Vicksburg, Mississippi and the several Civil War battlefields we visited > (Vicksburg, Stones River and Antietam). > > There's lots more to tell but it's time to go to bed. Just one final > comment. If it hadn't been for the French tourists in buses Death > Valley would have been empty. Keep on comin' and bring plenty of Euros. > :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 05:47:38 2008 Received: (qmail 21355 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 03:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 03:47:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA83C2C87; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:47:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:47:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE49C33C1 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:47:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23612 invoked by uid 502); 22 Oct 2008 03:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.178.99) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 22 Oct 2008 03:47:24 -0000 Message-ID: <48FEA246.9030403@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:47:18 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Any Moose sightings? References: <8CB01E9EC95DE05-D4-77E@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB01E9EC95DE05-D4-77E@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 05:47:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fea259323811234514069 usher99@aol.com wrote: > Perhaps I missed it, but there is more often than not a "Moose on the Loose" post if he is going on sabbatical. > Just a twinge of worry. > I did make a couple of posts, but have been generally rather inactive on the list for a couple of weeks. Busy with other things, including a visit from a Maine friend which involved much sightseeing travel for three days. Three days, 530 snaps of OT shutters. My short term rate was 177/day vs. Chucks long term rate of 77/day. I don't know that I could/should/would keep up with him on a long trip like that. Many fewer will survive the two phase winnowing, technical IQ first, value to view for anyone but me second. Lots of shots in a dark forest and an often dark museum should yield a fair number of shots with fuzzies that can be quickly skipped. Still, lots of images to process ... Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 07:06:56 2008 Received: (qmail 25853 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 05:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 05:06:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EF7C3105; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:06:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:06:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ukmrpl003.it.hutchison3g.net (smtp-mbb.three.co.uk [217.171.128.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 6292FC2FFA for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:06:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22622 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 05:06:41 -0000 Received: from 92.40.170.210.sub.mbb.three.co.uk (92.40.170.210) by smtp-mbb.three.co.uk with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 05:06:41 -0000 Message-Id: <3C8FC227-3892-454A-ADB7-F3770BE29F4A@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:06:38 +0100 References: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> <2C29D786-3BCA-4AEB-A755-803E13911438@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 07:06:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48feb4f0221982046811720 John You can use the Alt codes for such characters on the PC (Alt-G is the Mac shortcut). Alt-0169 should get you the © character. A list of other characters is at this url: http://www.brownbaron.com/blog/2007/12/18/255-keyboard-alt-codes/ Chris On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:47, John Hudson wrote: > > I assume that somewhere in CS3 there is a table of print characters > like the > copyright symbol, the dollar sign, etc that can be utilized in > tandem with > the type tool to embed text into an image. > > In particular I am looking for the copyright symbol to insert along > the > bottom edge of an image. > > Having to copy and paste the symbol from a word procesing program > into CS3 > is a PITA and un-necessary. > > Could someone please point me in the direction of those CS3 print > characters > and the menu options to get there? > > Thanks > > John Hudson > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 07:11:39 2008 Received: (qmail 30862 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 05:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 05:11:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C96AC2DDF; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:11:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:11:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ukmrpl003.it.hutchison3g.net (smtp-mbb.three.co.uk [217.171.128.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C9B2C2DCD for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:11:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22679 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 05:11:24 -0000 Received: from 92.40.170.210.sub.mbb.three.co.uk (92.40.170.210) by smtp-mbb.three.co.uk with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 05:11:24 -0000 Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48FE9906.8030102@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] I have returned Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:11:21 +0100 References: <48FE9906.8030102@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 07:11:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48feb60b28201591313764 Welcome back, Chuck. Your fuel consumption was not very impressive, but I expect that that is standard for the USA. I manage to brim my tank by continuing to pump until I can see the fuel in the neck of the filler. That way I can check my fuel consumption with at least some degree of consistency. I am sure that you managed to get yourself some lovely photos as well as lifetime experiences. Chris On 22 Oct 2008, at 04:07, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > I also burned lots of liquid carbon in the process. I traveled a > total > of 11,508 miles (18,520 km) and my 2006 Buick Lucerne V8 consumed > 492.44 > gallons of gas (1,864 liters) at a total cost of $1,735.51 and average > fuel mileage of 23.4 miles per gallon (9.94 km per liter). Gas prices > were generally dropping during our travels and, despite having gone > over > my mileage estimate of 10,000 miles, the cost of gas came in well > under > my $2,000 estimate. I also determined that it's folly to count on per > tank mileage measurements since it's obvious from my data that the > tank > isn't always full when the pump shuts off... even if you try to > continue > pumping beyond the shutoff. I got per tank mileage numbers ranging > from > a low of 16.9 MPG to as high as 29 MPG with low and high numbers > usually > sequentially arranged. It appears that the pump may sometimes shut > off > with the tank as much as a gallon short of full despite your efforts > to > assure that it's full. At least at a full gallon short it was clearly > visible on the gas guage. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 09:19:23 2008 Received: (qmail 18121 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 07:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 07:19:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1DBC2968; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:19:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:19:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B2AC32D6 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:19:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [195.40.43.130] (helo=exchange2003.Justis.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1KsXzq-000CPV-00 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:19:10 +0100 Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:18:17 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5FBB612D1C484AB7A8F6EB35736609D0@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <5FBB612D1C484AB7A8F6EB35736609D0@hudson> From: "Alan Wood" To: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alan.wood@JUSTIS.COM Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 09:19:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fed3fb29041744846740 John Hudson wrote: > What I am looking for is the chart that correlates the keys > on the keyboard with the characters on the "WP Typographic > Symbols" in the font pull down menu after engaging the text tool. Do you have to use that font? If you use Windows, then your normal fonts (Arial, Times New Roman, Verdana, etcetera) allow you to enter any character if you know its decimal code point. Hold down the Alt key, type the number on the numeric keypad (NOT the row of numbers above the main keyboard), and release the Alt key. The dollar sign is 36. You can find almost any character from this list and the others that you can reach by clicking the "Next >" or "Menu" button: http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/basic_latin.html -- Alan Wood http://www.alanwood.net (Unicode, special characters, pesticide names) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 09:20:02 2008 Received: (qmail 3318 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 07:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 07:20:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69B0C31FC; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:19:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:19:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com (unknown [193.252.22.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A1BC3383 for ; 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22 Oct 2008 08:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 08:46:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50278C42D9; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:45:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:45:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AEBC4A48 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:31:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20081022083136.XDGF21103.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:31:36 +0100 Received: from rundontwalk ([86.5.107.252]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20081022083136.QMRW2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@rundontwalk> for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:31:36 +0100 From: "IanG" To: References: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> <2C29D786-3BCA-4AEB-A755-803E13911438@roadrunner.com> <3C8FC227-3892-454A-ADB7-F3770BE29F4A@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <3C8FC227-3892-454A-ADB7-F3770BE29F4A@threeshoes.net> Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:32:37 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c93420$be4b1800$3ae14800$@eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ack0BAG2HfGd2z+xR4qoGHMwe+3e0wAGkllA Content-Language: en-gb X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KbroIi-7XWcA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=EekPsDOxAAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=VFb0PxbYRuSIuJkgCXIA:9 a=9zwWy6YAKVkIIF6SijoA:7 a=YEocYGh8LKtsn-lUfKs7NKY4Ba4A:4 a=Z3R2zaqRN04A:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ian@skelly.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 10:46:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fee854193591234514069 PS needs you to have selected a font with the copyright symbol but it doesn't make it easy to tell whether the current font actually supports the symbol. I find it easier to create a new document in Word and use the insert symbol function to generate it. Easy to do and easy to browse all the fonts to check out which variant of the symbol you prefer. I then copy + paste this into the text input line in PS. Works for all supported symbols in all fonts as far as I can tell and I'm pretty sure you don't need to have the font even available in PS. Can't promise it works ever time in all situations but it has always done the job for me - this one was done using the technique http://homepage.ntlworld.com/i.skelly/997cup2.jpg -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Chris Barker Sent: 22 October 2008 06:07 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus John You can use the Alt codes for such characters on the PC (Alt-G is the Mac shortcut). Alt-0169 should get you the C character. A list of other characters is at this url: http://www.brownbaron.com/blog/2007/12/18/255-keyboard-alt-codes/ Chris On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:47, John Hudson wrote: > > I assume that somewhere in CS3 there is a table of print characters > like the > copyright symbol, the dollar sign, etc that can be utilized in > tandem with > the type tool to embed text into an image. > > In particular I am looking for the copyright symbol to insert along > the > bottom edge of an image. > > Having to copy and paste the symbol from a word procesing program > into CS3 > is a PITA and un-necessary. > > Could someone please point me in the direction of those CS3 print > characters > and the menu options to get there? > > Thanks > > John Hudson > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 11:11:15 2008 Received: (qmail 23060 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 09:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 09:11:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E29C38F0; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:10:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:10:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF519C37BA for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:10:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20081022091046.EZKN10791.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:10:46 +0100 Received: from rundontwalk ([86.5.107.252]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20081022091046.XCIM21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@rundontwalk> for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:10:46 +0100 From: "IanG" To: References: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> <2C29D786-3BCA-4AEB-A755-803E13911438@roadrunner.com> <3C8FC227-3892-454A-ADB7-F3770BE29F4A@threeshoes.net> <000001c93420$be4b1800$3ae14800$@eu> In-Reply-To: <000001c93420$be4b1800$3ae14800$@eu> Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:11:47 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c93426$374aa450$a5dfecf0$@eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ack0BAG2HfGd2z+xR4qoGHMwe+3e0wAGkllAAAGV2PA= Content-Language: en-gb X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KbroIi-7XWcA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=EekPsDOxAAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=uHv5oTNUpFIUYbbN8rQA:9 a=uYFh8jSGrsc-wZ5hX04A:7 a=tepKdBgQykfV0cX8sUOKb2-3wxkA:4 a=3I_whO4B8K8A:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ian@skelly.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 11:11:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48feee3378631946193717 Just noticed the original post where John doesn't like going through a word processor to get the symbol... must remember to read everything. What I really do is keep the copyright symbol in its own PSD document and just drag the layer into the current document. Then apply Transform is used to rescale it. Saves having to remember key sequences and messing with fancy formatting every time I need it. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of IanG Sent: 22 October 2008 09:33 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus PS needs you to have selected a font with the copyright symbol but it doesn't make it easy to tell whether the current font actually supports the symbol. I find it easier to create a new document in Word and use the insert symbol function to generate it. Easy to do and easy to browse all the fonts to check out which variant of the symbol you prefer. I then copy + paste this into the text input line in PS. Works for all supported symbols in all fonts as far as I can tell and I'm pretty sure you don't need to have the font even available in PS. Can't promise it works ever time in all situations but it has always done the job for me - this one was done using the technique http://homepage.ntlworld.com/i.skelly/997cup2.jpg -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Chris Barker Sent: 22 October 2008 06:07 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus John You can use the Alt codes for such characters on the PC (Alt-G is the Mac shortcut). Alt-0169 should get you the C character. A list of other characters is at this url: http://www.brownbaron.com/blog/2007/12/18/255-keyboard-alt-codes/ Chris On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:47, John Hudson wrote: > > I assume that somewhere in CS3 there is a table of print characters > like the > copyright symbol, the dollar sign, etc that can be utilized in > tandem with > the type tool to embed text into an image. > > In particular I am looking for the copyright symbol to insert along > the > bottom edge of an image. > > Having to copy and paste the symbol from a word procesing program > into CS3 > is a PITA and un-necessary. > > Could someone please point me in the direction of those CS3 print > characters > and the menu options to get there? > > Thanks > > John Hudson > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 11:12:32 2008 Received: (qmail 1739 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 09:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 09:12:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73E8C3A2C; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:12:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:12:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52818C382E for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:12:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14011 invoked by uid 502); 22 Oct 2008 09:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.164.15) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 22 Oct 2008 09:12:04 -0000 Message-ID: <48FEEE61.9010109@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:12:01 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus References: <93580952-EFFA-4A43-9CE3-8F536874980D@frozenlight.eu> <2C29D786-3BCA-4AEB-A755-803E13911438@roadrunner.com> <3C8FC227-3892-454A-ADB7-F3770BE29F4A@threeshoes.net> <000001c93420$be4b1800$3ae14800$@eu> In-Reply-To: <000001c93420$be4b1800$3ae14800$@eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 11:12:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48feee80208483675314703 IanG wrote: > PS needs you to have selected a font with the copyright symbol but it > doesn't make it easy to tell whether the current font actually supports the > symbol. > > > I find it easier to create a new document in Word and use the insert symbol > function to generate it. If Alt 0169 doesn't work (on the numeric keyboard only!), or I cna't remember it, Character Map is quicker and easier than using Word. I have it on my apps launcher bar. It's %SystemRoot%\system32\charmap.exe. It also reminds me of the keystroke combo. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 11:32:35 2008 Received: (qmail 29036 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 09:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 09:32:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACBAC30F6; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:32:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:32:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3770FC2EA0 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:27:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23238 invoked by uid 502); 22 Oct 2008 09:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.164.15) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 22 Oct 2008 09:27:55 -0000 Message-ID: <48FEF219.8030803@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:27:53 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yashica 1000mm lens References: <61647F10-E691-45DC-8C56-C9E2B07A7A9A@roadrunner.com> <564A0289619F447ABEBF3D7EFE1759D3@hudson> <48FCBBBC.1070909@adinet.com.uy> <48FCD2C8.5090301@wanadoo.nl> <48FE5320.5080109@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48FE5320.5080109@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 11:32:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fef33324081838542571 I agree with what Chuck has to say. I would add that actual lens performance is usually not the limiting factor at greater distances. Atmospheric contamination, thermal movement and subject movement all have an effect and the donut OOF highlights are a constant bother. I have a Meade telescope that is also a 1000/11 lens. With the proper scope to T and T to OM mount adapters, it makes a nice, solid connection. The finder scope is a real help. Focusing is not bad in bright light with standard 1-13 screen. I found the 1-7 and 1-8 screens both helped. I liked the 1-8 better. Taking pictures of nesting hawks, I found the swaying of the trees in even tiny breezes was a real problem. I think you may have a problem with focusing on any of the E-thingies, alhough the E-3 should be best. Maximum aperture of F11 is really outside their design criteria. Moose Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I checked the old Modern Photo tests of mirror lenses and there's no Yashica of any focal length and the only 1000mm tested was a Meade. But Yashica generally made good stuff so I wouldn't be too concerned about purchasing it if it's in good condition and you get a good price. > > But some other thoughts. There's a reason why you only see Meade listed > in the 1000mm range. At 1000mm you are basically in telescope > territory. Given the narrower angle of view of the e-camera it will be > more like using a 2000mm lens on a 35mm camera. Been there, done that > with my 2000mm Celestron 8. When you get that long and with that narrow > a field of view it is extremely important to have > 1) a massive tripod and sturdy head > 2) a wider field finder to be able to locate your viewing target. > > If you're intent on 1000mm or above I think I'd skip the "lens" designation and go straight to a true telescope which is designed to resolve points 1) and 2) above. Meade and Celestron are the principal > and low cost purveyors of same. > > Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 11:51:18 2008 Received: (qmail 29463 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 09:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 09:51:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F497C381B; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:51:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:51:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FBDC3938 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:51:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <21534414.26941224669534795.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-196-2-102-155.wbs.co.za ([196.2.102.155]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 95 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:58:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OM] Re: Well, I did it... From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <048601c9339e$ea5ca800$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> References: <30549658.26701224604679785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <048601c9339e$ea5ca800$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Solms TCD Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:50:58 +0200 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 11:51:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48fef796240905368819438 Hi Piers, I was maybe not clear enough, the 1/2000 is not for macro, but for shallow DOF in daylight. It is the "other" thing I really enjoy doing, apart from Macro. Your image is very interesting! regards, Dawid On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 18:03 +0100, Piers Hemy wrote: > But if you are thinking of using 1/2000 > for macro photography, you are going to need some *serious* light levels. > 3Ti does offer high speed flash synchronisation, but it is at the cost of > very low guide numbers. I wonder how practical that 1/2000 will be for > macro. I would stick to OM-1. I did (and it was my 3Ti that sold). ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 13:42:18 2008 Received: (qmail 10528 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 11:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 11:42:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8424C4C29; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:41:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:41:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AF8C4802 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ksbze-0000Uh-29 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:35:14 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <30549658.26701224604679785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <048601c9339e$ea5ca800$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <21534414.26941224669534795.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Subject: [OM] Re: Well, I did it... Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:35:03 +0100 Message-ID: <052d01c9343a$39def3b0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <21534414.26941224669534795.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Ack0K7pDsaUD0EPvS2CuXXURMxei9wADiStg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081022-0, 22/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 13:42:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff119a124509347015869 Ah, that makes more sense! Have you considered an OM-3 - far more easily obtainable, half the price, all you "lose" is the high-speed flash sync with F280 flashgun, and the gunmetal powder-coated titanium covers. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Dawid Loubser Sent: 22 October 2008 10:51 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Well, I did it... Hi Piers, I was maybe not clear enough, the 1/2000 is not for macro, but for shallow DOF in daylight. It is the "other" thing I really enjoy doing, apart from Macro. Your image is very interesting! regards, Dawid On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 18:03 +0100, Piers Hemy wrote: > But if you are thinking of using 1/2000 for macro photography, you are > going to need some *serious* light levels. > 3Ti does offer high speed flash synchronisation, but it is at the cost > of very low guide numbers. I wonder how practical that 1/2000 will be > for macro. I would stick to OM-1. I did (and it was my 3Ti that sold). ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 13:48:26 2008 Received: (qmail 18695 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 11:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 11:48:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEC4C45D3; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:48:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:48:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9121DC3BA9 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:38:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2052 invoked by uid 504); 22 Oct 2008 11:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 22 Oct 2008 11:38:08 -0000 Message-ID: <48FF10A0.8060905@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:38:08 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] I have returned References: <48FE9906.8030102@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 13:48:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff130a267081585427447 Actually, I thought the fuel consumption was pretty good for a 275 horsepower 4.6 liter engine running everywhere from twisting mountain roads at near 11,000 feet elevation to Dallas and New Orleans city traffic. But you're right. A fuel sipper it's not. It was bought specifically in anticipation of this trip and is only used for highway travel. The other car gets the day-to-day, around town driving. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Welcome back, Chuck. > > Your fuel consumption was not very impressive, but I expect that that > is standard for the USA. > > I manage to brim my tank by continuing to pump until I can see the > fuel in the neck of the filler. That way I can check my fuel > consumption with at least some degree of consistency. > > I am sure that you managed to get yourself some lovely photos as well > as lifetime experiences. > > Chris > > On 22 Oct 2008, at 04:07, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> I also burned lots of liquid carbon in the process. I traveled a >> total >> of 11,508 miles (18,520 km) and my 2006 Buick Lucerne V8 consumed >> 492.44 >> gallons of gas (1,864 liters) at a total cost of $1,735.51 and average >> fuel mileage of 23.4 miles per gallon (9.94 km per liter). Gas prices >> were generally dropping during our travels and, despite having gone >> over >> my mileage estimate of 10,000 miles, the cost of gas came in well >> under >> my $2,000 estimate. I also determined that it's folly to count on per >> tank mileage measurements since it's obvious from my data that the >> tank >> isn't always full when the pump shuts off... even if you try to >> continue >> pumping beyond the shutoff. I got per tank mileage numbers ranging >> from >> a low of 16.9 MPG to as high as 29 MPG with low and high numbers >> usually >> sequentially arranged. It appears that the pump may sometimes shut >> off >> with the tank as much as a gallon short of full despite your efforts >> to >> assure that it's full. At least at a full gallon short it was clearly >> visible on the gas guage. >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 13:52:53 2008 Received: (qmail 22667 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 11:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 11:52:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1965EC2D19; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:52:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:52:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hvmail.co.uk (pop3.hvmail.co.uk [87.240.129.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69133C4389 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:51:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from no3.hvmail.co.uk (unverified [87.240.134.153]) by hvmail.co.uk (SurgeMail 3.8k4) with ESMTP id 10099740-1833011 for multiple; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:51:07 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:51:44 +0100 To: John A Hudson From: Brian Gray Subject: [OM] Keyboard shortcuts for Windows Cc: olympus@ml.free.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <1224676267_16564@hvmail.co.uk> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brian.gray@hvmail.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 13:52:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff141545617350615338 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449 John This does not appear immediately to have what you want but is a useful resource. I suggest that you try ALT/0169 on the numeric keypad for the copyright symbol ©. Also, ALT/0128 for the Euro sign €. Brian ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 14:04:55 2008 Received: (qmail 31838 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 12:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:04:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861E5C548A; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:04:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:04:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C40C40F0 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:59:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2388244wah.1 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:59:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=DzqK0+iJ2cq9HRDFc7FKmpLWxOu/aEcpEYc8q+jf+8I=; b=J5ftL6zrCRsIE0lVOtWKTFd+BCiZdIT6XFKrtOjzj+tDu+pHc+8q2XoXz73ql3ZhNI NuK92sQtBjvCpy8TIuXfs37cnStcNiIWkWnvoFWVt0ETdWO+uu34kwUfenqxtseGCQu4 rq1FBEiONlqr0FliSEFa9BKHViSkqx1y/QJ14= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=gGvXvMzwtjb3NU6RxDV3mdjRqEikHxr9DOAjY1LjmYLhGlyZfLIYk6kn94CMOiPiV1 01pCQ4QOuH2DL7N+kGw1+Ld+8C6QDQYj8JplBrdySI0Lq1J+DpEHCep4Q+j2UouFM7/c vJ0R6YOjBbkJ3XwaXG1D+nKjOmNiHn2Y5sgh0= Received: by 10.114.159.6 with SMTP id h6mr7457055wae.65.1224676750667; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810220459o251e761ai5f5775a1c5440779@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:59:10 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] I have returned In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48FE9906.8030102@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7f327bc19e1e2058 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 14:04:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff16e773781470116606 Remember his gallons are those puny USA-sized ones :-) On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > > Welcome back, Chuck. > > Your fuel consumption was not very impressive, but I expect that that > is standard for the USA. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 14:23:15 2008 Received: (qmail 24828 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 12:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:23:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18A5C315D; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:23:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:23:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31D0C5341 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:11:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.219.163]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K95004GM36UN2OI@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:11:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:11:31 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Well, I did it... In-reply-to: <30549658.26701224604679785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48FF1873.2030401@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <30549658.26701224604679785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 14:23:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff1b33197789347015869 I occasionally see a 3Ti for repair. The owners always laugh when I ask if they want to sell. I hope you find one, it is a gorgeous piece of engineering to say the least. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Dawid Loubser wrote: > I am in the process of selling my Canon EOS gear, I put them up for very > good (for me, i.e. substantial) prices, and I seem to be getting them > sold- have received a lot of interest in the past couple of hours, > tomorrow three expensive lenses will probably sell. > > Why? This damn OM system! I feel a big imbalance in my photographic > technique between using my Mamiya / Linhof Technorama, and my Canon > Digital Gear. And the OM body just feels "right" for the type of thing I > do - more so than any other 35mm body I've used. I will miss the big ol' > machine gun - and the Canon 1D MkIIN has, hands down, the most > spectacular image quality of any 8MP camera. > > In fact, I have been using my 1D MkIIN for snapshots more than anything > else lately - which is just crazy! So, I figured, I am getting into B&W > film with OM gear bigtime, and I will get a high-end P&S (e.g. Canon > G9/G10) for snapshots / documenting stuff, such as my car restoration > project. > > Once I receive funds for the sold equipment this will fund the trip my > OM gear will make to John for CLA (my OM-1n really should be smoother, > and the meter is flakey, even though I do incident metering 90% of the > time) as well as some serious expansion of my OM gear. > > I am not even going to ask you if I am crazy: I guess I am doing this > because I *can*, and because digital SLR will be cheaper and better when > I get back to it in the future. > > Somehow, after coming so close to losing my (and my beloved's) life with > the attack in our home a week+ ago, I am a bit radical, and this is part > of it. It's fun to try different things - as a hobbyist, I have that > luxury. In the meantime, I am also going to spend more time with the > ones I love, instead of processing RAW files. > > (although I can see the Darkroom changing that :-) > > For anybody who has read this far, does anybody have a 38mm f/2.8 Macro > lens they want to sell? I am definitely going to pick up that > auto-bellows I saw last week, and I will want some higher magnification > than what the 90/2.0 provides on the bellows. I am sold on the fact that > the 20/2.0 is maybe a bit extreme for the moment. > > And lastly, I really do want an OM-3Ti some time in the future. For most > things, I do see myself preferring the beautiful simplicity of the > OM-1n, but the metering as well as the 1/2000th shutter speed are both > very desirable to me for the type of photography I do (macro, and > shallow DOF in daylight). > > Is there anybody who is thinking of selling theirs, and what would the > going rate be? I know how collectable these are, but they are also not > unobtainable surely. > > wishing you all a great day, > Dawid > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 14:25:14 2008 Received: (qmail 23035 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 12:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:25:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F198EC47F7; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:24:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:24:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA78C5817 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:11:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KscZC-0004cv-F6 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:11:58 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <1224676267_16564@hvmail.co.uk> Subject: [OM] Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Windows Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:11:47 +0100 Message-ID: <052e01c9343f$5bb4cf50$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <1224676267_16564@hvmail.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Ack0PLZsQCqKdmWPQ3isAS9c7eaGgAAAllYQ X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081022-0, 22/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 14:25:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff1baa36211035110158 This one lists everything: http://www.usefulshortcuts.com/downloads/ALT-Codes.pdf -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Brian Gray Sent: 22 October 2008 12:52 To: John A Hudson Cc: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Keyboard shortcuts for Windows http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449 John This does not appear immediately to have what you want but is a useful resource. I suggest that you try ALT/0169 on the numeric keypad for the copyright symbol ©. Also, ALT/0128 for the Euro sign ˆ. Brian ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 14:27:14 2008 Received: (qmail 9717 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 12:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:27:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F0CC3B92; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:26:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:26:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.228]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D02C2EBC for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:14:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2669086rvb.29 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:14:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=EVQxVvzk7jQ/ARG5BvshWBCYNo3HTpS4WG0ftGwfqas=; b=e/Pq1tJ3UEHd2+uaL3DthUHfjAnzgddAisxUI7AKVxQ+HUjtld03eK2CWFb/cH8Afs Vx02BzDN5mYLbTtchNrneSQZBlrEwEv6dJA3HjHk44zJ7g8B8HcLk1khGkuGjsNL5ffN HKwTyx4zl6hok21WwGcrIDOLXRIygne9Z8Q+4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=D/IXu7J8rx5wYL6jB5WwJYHGYOvh4GTkUhhkgOvbzfJj9jmGCMcEoFzMqYKQIQzwaz 1Zhx29zervMQ/QmbTHPOPZg11zVEscMzZnyXBFR8tEZgPyYOaQWSaUroWGHeb+F48WE6 JkBS+3zJeuFS3Mb9VWeqC3rwnr1cxOp1BMmlA= Received: by 10.140.186.21 with SMTP id j21mr6422211rvf.104.1224677645509; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.204.2 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:14:05 +0200 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Well, I did it... In-Reply-To: <052d01c9343a$39def3b0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <30549658.26701224604679785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <048601c9339e$ea5ca800$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <21534414.26941224669534795.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <052d01c9343a$39def3b0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikooh@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 14:27:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff1c22142281585427447 And TTL flash metering :) Iwert 2008/10/22 Piers Hemy > > Ah, that makes more sense! > > Have you considered an OM-3 - far more easily obtainable, half the price, > all you "lose" is the high-speed flash sync with F280 flashgun, and the > gunmetal powder-coated titanium covers. > > -- > Piers > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 14:27:45 2008 Received: (qmail 10878 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 12:27:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:27:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A71C4954; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:27:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:27:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A24CC4769 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:15:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.219.163]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9500EN83DRP9MA@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:15:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:15:40 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: back on list In-reply-to: <7.0.1.0.2.20081021125234.0110d930@zuik.net> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48FF196C.2010103@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081021125234.0110d930@zuik.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 14:27:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff1c4140951234514069 Hey Wayne, good to hear from you again. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html WayneS wrote: > Several of you may remember me from the past. I exited the > OM list due to overloaded work schedule in attempting a > startup company. Well the company ran out of money and is > now in an asset sale and support phase. A smaller business > may develop from that. With a bit more time I am catching > up on home owner repairs and hopefully some time for > photography. > > I still have some OM gear, but have not taken any photos for > some time with it. I still have a couple of 4T's and one 3T and > my favorite lenses, such as the 100/2. However, most of the > time I shoot with C*n*n 5d. My film scanner has developed > a bad case of dust, which causes halos around everything. > > Having spent both ends of my candle for too long, I may have > forgotten how to take pictures. Perhaps a few of you can refresh > my memory, what little is left. > > Wayne S > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 14:28:54 2008 Received: (qmail 15745 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 12:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:28:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581ADC467E; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:28:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:28:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7-qfe0.srvr.bell.ca [206.47.199.165]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11F5C41A1 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:28:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.89]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081022122832.SQNU2983.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:28:32 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AicLAC+5/khMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIgXvEToNP Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 22 Oct 2008 08:24:34 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:28:30 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] I have returned From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OT] I have returned Thread-Index: Ack0QbDF72WhUKA0Ed2eVgAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840810220459o251e761ai5f5775a1c5440779@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 14:28:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff1c86235751946193717 And his litres end backwards in "er"... On 10/22/08 7:59 AM, "Jez Cunningham" wrote: > Remember his gallons are those puny USA-sized ones :-) > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> >> Welcome back, Chuck. >> >> Your fuel consumption was not very impressive, but I expect that that >> is standard for the USA. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 14:33:50 2008 Received: (qmail 12930 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 12:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:33:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA17C2C82; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:33:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:33:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51E3C2CDE for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:33:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 10330 invoked by uid 504); 22 Oct 2008 12:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@96.237.62.142) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 22 Oct 2008 12:33:34 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081022082537.01162448@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:33:35 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] I have returned In-Reply-To: <48FE9906.8030102@chucknorcutt.com> References: <48FE9906.8030102@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 14:33:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff1dae198671073733319 I once misplaced my wallet and thought it was lost. I got a new one the next day at the Mass RMV. Then I found the wallet and now have two. The RMV uses previous picture, so the licenses look identical. Just stop in and get a new one, but may cost something like $50. Did you photograph the guy with the Slim-Jim opening your car? Hope to see some results. 44.8Gb doesn't sound like too much considering the time span. Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 14:35:45 2008 Received: (qmail 2996 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 12:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:35:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A29C2CB1; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:35:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:35:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDCDC2D88 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:35:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3020 invoked by uid 504); 22 Oct 2008 12:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 22 Oct 2008 12:35:31 -0000 Message-ID: <48FF1E13.7010800@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:35:31 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: #184 Stoke Bruerne Northamptonshire References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 14:35:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff1e21278031073733319 Oh, I like that one too. Complete with "pointer" to object of interest. Chuck Norcutt Gee Bee wrote: > Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 35mm f2 : orange filter : Kodak Professional BW400 CN > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08184.htm > > > > --Graham > http://www.geebeephoto.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 14:35:57 2008 Received: (qmail 9051 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 12:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:35:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647E7C2E2C; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:35:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:35:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171E6C2DEC for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:35:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kscw9-0005Rr-OA for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:35:41 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <30549658.26701224604679785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <048601c9339e$ea5ca800$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <21534414.26941224669534795.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <052d01c9343a$39def3b0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Subject: [OM] Re: Well, I did it... Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:35:30 +0100 Message-ID: <052f01c93442$abee8030$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Ack0QYGu1tg4epKbT6OiYviONXPu1wAAREXQ X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081022-0, 22/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 14:35:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff1e2d251031257536491 Got me! -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of iwert bernakiewicz Sent: 22 October 2008 13:14 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Well, I did it... And TTL flash metering :) Iwert 2008/10/22 Piers Hemy > > Ah, that makes more sense! > > Have you considered an OM-3 - far more easily obtainable, half the > price, all you "lose" is the high-speed flash sync with F280 flashgun, > and the gunmetal powder-coated titanium covers. > > -- > Piers > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 14:39:23 2008 Received: (qmail 13138 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 12:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:39:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907D8C2951; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:39:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:39:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCDEC27C8 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:39:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VmHs1a00C0SCNGk56oem1c; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:38:47 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.248.240]) by OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Vof51a00R5BwdBs3Vof5ha; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:39:06 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9r6toLHP2U4A:10 a=RGsYXEJp7psA:10 a=F6MJPEDDAAAA:8 a=I2klcHaiziEcmXvb5EoA:9 a=tkKjgjPpOpAepa3XvjGoRWmh5lAA:4 a=10sAvMsTeQkA:10 Message-ID: <51E8C44141EA433CBDB7EC1D5EE2C570@daingtanfxkwk9> From: "Darin" To: References: <1224676267_16564@hvmail.co.uk> <052e01c9343f$5bb4cf50$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Subject: [OM] Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Windows Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:39:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d.rhein@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 14:39:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff1efb108298512572685 Very interesting, I always wondered how people were able to type those symbols. Thanks Piers! Darin Piers > > This one lists everything: > > http://www.usefulshortcuts.com/downloads/ALT-Codes.pdf > > > -- > Piers > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 14:47:20 2008 Received: (qmail 13283 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 12:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:47:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A95C2D03; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:47:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:47:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A3EC2B45 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:47:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9760 invoked by uid 504); 22 Oct 2008 12:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 22 Oct 2008 12:47:08 -0000 Message-ID: <48FF20CB.6050101@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:47:07 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] I have returned References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 14:47:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff20d834909347015869 That's because it's a backwards measure. :-) Chuck Norcutt Michael Collins wrote: > And his litres end backwards in "er"... > > On 10/22/08 7:59 AM, "Jez Cunningham" wrote: >> Remember his gallons are those puny USA-sized ones :-) >> >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Chris Barker wrote: >> >>> Welcome back, Chuck. >>> >>> Your fuel consumption was not very impressive, but I expect that that >>> is standard for the USA. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 15:40:39 2008 Received: (qmail 8414 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 13:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 13:40:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF02C37E2; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:40:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:40:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2787C3A71 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:40:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2414135wah.1 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:40:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=X4PhT/pqismxJHDaD2t+Y8z5Z3Ox3wG98o7Muh9rMVM=; b=OATG5MUzSHqOvmHDDrYsfNP6bqTXPTZqh1vvqA8bYmUT/0R/sZVIIWa0PDZ4sl2HnC GLfw2MxGSWlqWmFhJ5adJJpYWwHytmW/7GL+2WF26y6hRRiTReOfrtCbUW1CRwHmmSeE xbPsGKzOizL3vV34F104kzygRaWc5SjrhZf0s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=VSrvoasKm0WjF5p2548KS7/iuKYVPtT1lWj8LL2AGbDoUHXVdNBxcKCy6CkOtTIdJg erLJ0eoYv0RRfyGJlD63YsmVovqNaRZmxWh5ZhDHA+gETHmC80CDh7NhYxSWE+Ttu72z UeKkC+GgfhQ3mTmdCsyO3+LYLrKy07xIVVPwQ= Received: by 10.115.106.7 with SMTP id i7mr7501396wam.131.1224682823970; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840810220640s3cc41173lf41979bf881bb408@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:40:23 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] I have returned In-Reply-To: <48FF20CB.6050101@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48FF20CB.6050101@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0306f1a1bd13ecf5 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 15:40:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff2d57284871993019900 My fuel consumption in reverse gear wouldn't be so good... On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Chuck Norcutt < chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com> wrote: > That's because it's a backwards measure. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Michael Collins wrote: > > And his litres end backwards in "er"... > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 16:16:43 2008 Received: (qmail 6257 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 14:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 14:16:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD3CC3092; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:16:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:16:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC55EC2DC5 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:16:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081022141616.EYAW22820.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:16:16 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id VqGG1a00E4vDLwc02qGGFN; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:16:16 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3AAwl5orFv72UMGQeWcA:9 a=K513JsHSPhAux1qHwzgA:7 a=p1iMJ1fSxCOhBuEm6ZMTBy-ETcAA:4 a=7mayv77iRtYA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <48FE9906.8030102@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] I have returned Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:16:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 16:16:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff35cb289309347015869 Your fuel consumption was not very impressive, but I expect that that > is standard for the USA. Perhaps a bit above average, especially the high figure. > > I manage to brim my tank by continuing to pump until I can see the > fuel in the neck of the filler. That way I can check my fuel > consumption with at least some degree of consistency. > > I am sure that you managed to get yourself some lovely photos as well > as lifetime experiences. Don't know about you Brits, but that practice is both impossible and ill-advised here. It's all but impossible to see into the filler neck on US cars, as there is a very small hole due to the reducer required that is a piece of regulation that dates from when leaded fuel was still available. Complete with a little spring loaded flap, the filler is smaller than usual for no-lead. Likewise, it is said that "overfilling" and 'topping off" will damage parts of the emission controls. And, I'll bet he got some ggreat ones! Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 16:21:44 2008 Received: (qmail 19194 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 14:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 14:21:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E05AC27E5; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:21:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:21:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4197CC31F5 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:21:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.219.163]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K950047W97RN5HD@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:21:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:21:39 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: calling Photoshop CS3 gurus In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48FF36F3.7080708@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 16:21:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff36f8154481744846740 In windows, Alt + 0169 adds the © sign. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chris Crawford wrote: > Those books I mentioned do have the chart you want. The © symbol keystroke > may be different in windows...i use a Mac, but I thought it was the same. > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 16:25:49 2008 Received: (qmail 16703 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 14:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 14:25:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C553C329E; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:25:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:25:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63244C27C2 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:25:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d46.324696aa (37121) for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA017-5bb548ff37bc2a0; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:25:23 -0400 Received: from webmail-de15 (webmail-de15.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.36]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA024-5bb548ff37bc2a0; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:25:00 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Any Moose sightings? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:25:00 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 170.223.203.208 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 170.223.203.208 by webmail-de15.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.36) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:25:00 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB026919FC1469-1750-D03@webmail-de15.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 16:25:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff37ed179465368819438 Look fwd to viewing those that made the cut, OT or not. It seems you've had quite a few visitors this year. Mike Many fewer will survive the two phase winnowing, technical IQ first, value to view for anyone but me second. Lots of shots in a dark forest and an often dark museum should yield a fair number of shots with fuzzies that can be quickly skipped. Still, lots of images to process ... Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 16:31:55 2008 Received: (qmail 15734 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 14:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 14:31:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF75C443B; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:31:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:31:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.112]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F0F9C3EC1 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:27:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 64559 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 14:27:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=RlQgWQMuf0Hb6/VaGAA691nAXjMLaLc9lhR6eZG7IH6rQhw6y7erE7ea9BJCIQcaOzRZ3IxhD52H22x6VS9Zc1vsKpXlHEI19zgzLG64wCdcvd8GYRSEgmO2puqpvQBdIQsYpUs+gpanwAck/F/ZI8xWQQa5xFE9mfJkYW0XcSQ=; X-YMail-OSG: sgEXn1IVM1k6rmjAc0MlA2I7S8SAuWARVPI6FI9a1t2YaeAjGBqhlW1RvbDAHLXgFuOvgiMJN8W9cd149ik18Ue.b9dJwLlGP9PVNGT_8ReVJzM2eMQFfQiOh34VFUR1UAgr.9G8zp74onyR9c9hW12mnmQFSXHF2eeLvwCvfjyWY62uPHZjeUErOmgn Received: from [76.21.138.45] by web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:27:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Beckrich Subject: [OM] Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Windows To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <1224676267_16564@hvmail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <379409.63682.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rick_beckrich@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 16:31:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff395b272731529615919 Also in MS Word - control, alternate, l/c "c"  will give you the copyright symbol... obviously not in e-mail. --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Brian Gray wrote: From: Brian Gray Subject: [OM] Keyboard shortcuts for Windows To: "John A Hudson" Cc: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 7:51 AM http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449 John This does not appear immediately to have what you want but is a useful resource. I suggest that you try ALT/0169 on the numeric keypad for the copyright symbol ©. Also, ALT/0128 for the Euro sign ¤. Brian ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 16:38:17 2008 Received: (qmail 30247 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 14:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 14:38:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088A9C3F83; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:37:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:37:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D2FC4745 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:34:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30089 invoked by uid 504); 22 Oct 2008 14:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 22 Oct 2008 14:34:40 -0000 Message-ID: <48FF39FF.8080706@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:34:39 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] emissions controls, was: I have returned References: <48FE9906.8030102@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 16:38:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff3ad9301591257536491 Speaking of emissions controls, one of the unexpected adventures upon my return was to find that the older car left sitting in the driveway felt so neglected that it shorted its battery internally during my absence. I was only mildly surprised as I didn't think it advisable to trust the old one through the winter and had planned on changing it this month anyhow. After jumping it and taking it to the shop for a replacement battery I requested that they also do a safety and emissions check which is due before the end of the month. Much to my surprise they said they would be unable to do the test because the dead battery had dropped power to and lost the computer's emissions system memory. It seems that it takes about 3 days of driving to return things to a state where the system will pass the emissions test. The memory loss seemed strange for even a 9 year old car so I asked if more modern vehicles used some form of flash or other non-volatile memory. The answer was: "Nope, they all do it." I was advised that it frequently catches even their experienced mechanics who forget that a vehicle in for an emissions inspection and some other type of work that requires disconnecting the battery needs to have the emissions check performed first. Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > Your fuel consumption was not very impressive, but I expect that that >> is standard for the USA. > Perhaps a bit above average, especially the high figure. > >> I manage to brim my tank by continuing to pump until I can see the >> fuel in the neck of the filler. That way I can check my fuel >> consumption with at least some degree of consistency. >> >> I am sure that you managed to get yourself some lovely photos as well >> as lifetime experiences. > Don't know about you Brits, but that practice is both impossible and > ill-advised here. It's all but impossible to see into the filler neck on US > cars, as there is a very small hole due to the reducer required that is a > piece of regulation that dates from when leaded fuel was still available. > Complete with a little spring loaded flap, the filler is smaller than usual > for no-lead. Likewise, it is said that "overfilling" and 'topping off" will > damage parts of the emission controls. > > And, I'll bet he got some ggreat ones! > > Bill Pearce > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 16:49:45 2008 Received: (qmail 23259 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 14:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 14:49:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD33C3A3F; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:49:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:49:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBB9C3020 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:49:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K95003N5AIATYK3@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:49:22 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-9-73.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.9.73]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:14:37 -0300 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:49:19 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkoQALTa/kgYiglJ/2dsb2JhbACBbIgevD4HgkWBAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,464,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="387553575" References: <890354.43622.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3A1EF730-7293-4547-A8C5-5DDC3252AA7D@people.net.au> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 16:49:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff3d88305911234514069 Just how does one update the software in one's E1, E3 , 510 or whatever camera body one has and likewise with the software in a digital lens? I don't see any obvious USB or Firewire port in my 12-60 lens and the only plug in the E510 looks to be the USB video out socket. John Hudson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 5:45 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates > > Great. Dya reckon this one will work? > Andrew Fildes (who still can't update his E-1) > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 21/10/2008, at 6:15 AM, AS wrote: > >> >> Olympus Imaging Corporation (hereinafter "Olympus"), Panasonic >> Corporation (hereinafter "Panasonic"),and Sigma Corporation >> (hereinafter "Sigma") have joined forces to launch an online >> firmware update service that will enable users to easily update the >> firmware in interchangeable DSLR lenses compliant with the Four >> Thirds System Standard, even when the camera and lens are not made >> by the same manufacturer. Scheduled to start on October 15, 2008, >> this new joint service is the first of its kind in the industry*... >> >> Straight from the four-thirds email blast. >> >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 16:56:16 2008 Received: (qmail 12751 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 14:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 14:56:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94992C3841; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:56:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:56:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB4BC397B for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:56:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ksf7y-0004fD-QM for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:56:03 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <890354.43622.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3A1EF730-7293-4547-A8C5-5DDC3252AA7D@people.net.au> Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:55:51 +0100 Message-ID: <05aa01c93456$47218260$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Ack0VWuqrHiHWm6lRp6Rew+JQEYUvwAAIJrw X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081022-0, 22/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 16:56:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff3f1077791869477228 You need an IR sender on your PC to upgrade the glass, John! No, seriously, you have to mount the lens on the camera body, then connect the camera to the PC - the online update procedure will find both body and lens, and upgrade both. If you have more than one lens, you have to swap them around on the body and repeat ad lib. Check your cable, I believe the E-510 connection is a proprietary multi-function thingy, video and USB data. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hudson Sent: 22 October 2008 15:49 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates Just how does one update the software in one's E1, E3 , 510 or whatever camera body one has and likewise with the software in a digital lens? I don't see any obvious USB or Firewire port in my 12-60 lens and the only plug in the E510 looks to be the USB video out socket. John Hudson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 5:45 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates > > Great. Dya reckon this one will work? > Andrew Fildes (who still can't update his E-1) > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 21/10/2008, at 6:15 AM, AS wrote: > >> >> Olympus Imaging Corporation (hereinafter "Olympus"), Panasonic >> Corporation (hereinafter "Panasonic"),and Sigma Corporation >> (hereinafter "Sigma") have joined forces to launch an online >> firmware update service that will enable users to easily update the >> firmware in interchangeable DSLR lenses compliant with the Four >> Thirds System Standard, even when the camera and lens are not made >> by the same manufacturer. Scheduled to start on October 15, 2008, >> this new joint service is the first of its kind in the industry*... >> >> Straight from the four-thirds email blast. >> >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 17:02:59 2008 Received: (qmail 10020 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 15:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 15:02:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180C8C3A1C; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:02:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:02:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415F9C39A7 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:02:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 3F69C8F2CG for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:00:46 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:59:53 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates thread-index: Ack0VW+kPjaDT2KsQuKUAUQT3r6xiAAARVgQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2008 15:00:46.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[F68912E0:01C93456] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 17:02:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff40a3178971529615919 You update the lens while it's attached to the body. Same with flashes, whatever. Affix it to the body, then go through the firmware update routine. It will determine the accessories attached, their firmware revision, and if they need updating. Will have to do it for any/all lenses and or flashes you may happen to posses. At least in my experience. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hudson Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:49 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates Just how does one update the software in one's E1, E3 , 510 or whatever camera body one has and likewise with the software in a digital lens? I don't see any obvious USB or Firewire port in my 12-60 lens and the only plug in the E510 looks to be the USB video out socket. John Hudson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 5:45 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates > > Great. Dya reckon this one will work? > Andrew Fildes (who still can't update his E-1) afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 21/10/2008, at 6:15 AM, AS wrote: > >> >> Olympus Imaging Corporation (hereinafter "Olympus"), Panasonic >> Corporation (hereinafter "Panasonic"),and Sigma Corporation >> (hereinafter "Sigma") have joined forces to launch an online >> firmware update service that will enable users to easily update the >> firmware in interchangeable DSLR lenses compliant with the Four >> Thirds System Standard, even when the camera and lens are not made >> by the same manufacturer. Scheduled to start on October 15, 2008, >> this new joint service is the first of its kind in the industry*... >> >> Straight from the four-thirds email blast. >> >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== Please be advised that this email may be a confidential communication and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by e-mail by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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Well interesting to this thread, but I wouldn't want to discuss it at a dinner party. In USA it seemed that it was the norm to stick in the filler, click on the trigger lock and let go, waiting for the auto-cutout. Have a cigarette or make a cellphone call while you're waiting... And there was always a sign "Do not top-off". Quite the opposite over this side of the pond - the pin across the trigger that the lock catches on is usually not there, and so it's impossible to lock the trigger on. You have to hold it in place - I suppose some H&S guy thinks it's safer. But consequently one tends to hear/feel the first cut-off and re-squeeze to continue topping-off. My key-chain now has a pin on it that fits into the vacant holes in the trigger and _I_ can lock it... Jez On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > Don't know about you Brits, but that practice is both impossible and > ill-advised here. It's all but impossible to see into the filler neck on US > cars, as there is a very small hole due to the reducer required that is a > piece of regulation that dates from when leaded fuel was still available. > Complete with a little spring loaded flap, the filler is smaller than usual > for no-lead. Likewise, it is said that "overfilling" and 'topping off" will > damage parts of the emission controls. > > Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 17:24:58 2008 Received: (qmail 21490 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 15:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 15:24:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA754C3C04; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:24:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:24:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EC7C3C16 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:24:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 23 Oct 2008 02:24:41 +1100 Message-ID: <100-b945ff48-27282.007@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:24:41 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 17:24:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff45ca154001838542571 > You update the lens while it's attached to the body. Same with flashes, > whatever. Affix it to the body, then go through the firmware update > routine. It will determine the accessories attached, their firmware > revision, and if they need updating. Will have to do it for any/all > lenses and or flashes you may happen to posses. Be aware that Oly states that you cant update two lens at the same time. So if your using the dual lens adapter, your out of luck. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Be vewwy vewwy quiet ... I'm hunting taglines. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 17:26:21 2008 Received: (qmail 9119 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 15:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 15:26:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB37DC2E7A; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:26:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:26:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567A6C2AC5 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:26:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so7547765gxk.17 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:26:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=GE6VGce/4tHpNyGUC3/7WV0aVTv99NPfes00ov/g8oI=; b=j0WcDK72Y1jdjI3Fwb2dgDX2F05a14n5JEmwTaQFrVxzulHa3agkA6oG6nnwtE2bOo vBO0PQYe8SENh2s9ALR9A+erpmwU0AxPqPyqGFvPn/8529rJ1Roon2UU0zkm4k/4yUqV SXvL+vwckyx6qRonRpDN2eArJBO4k9/eZgDxU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ItwwRs/OxnnAULkkeiou/GrEq92vIvXMV+crY6mHipzkqYPyRRSYK6xk7J4PbRk/xv ndfQTRabWgbxVa1AjRruy8IxHvCVMhs3K9nI2Eq20hrasiPCUIr2y4lwfq6mkCwG2lq+ 4fybKlmstml164cDUKPc9qX+bOjRl8HqV13co= Received: by 10.90.31.8 with SMTP id e8mr10539855age.37.1224689167803; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:26:07 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Any Moose sightings? In-Reply-To: <48FEA246.9030403@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CB01E9EC95DE05-D4-77E@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> <48FEA246.9030403@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9b7b1622a115e79c X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 17:26:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff461d307043675314703 My median average this past month has been around 550 images a day. Obviously, that's median average, not median average. I don't think I could handle almost 4000 images a week. I know my current workflow couldn't handle it. I too am looking forward to the latest/greatest from Drs Flash and Moose. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 17:38:26 2008 Received: (qmail 3796 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 15:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 15:38:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1CCC3796; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:38:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:38:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA4EC3941 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:31:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so517237ywt.89 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:31:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=UVWfjXSYeopfzFIzieTfFXvH8mpG1ML6llFpuYLVR7M=; b=GZzpUAfTS8x8U1zGIq7wiq5fMw2uTuNwCKfjThEKN5mxn01EQdgstPO7qtLFpNyPxS gHBtMUP2LJduvrBKg52RaCELgd1RzBqpeBeyr9n17xN/0Avv7QoRJ4emaboJymy+l01X t8TMhJqau1x0bgoxNXXX/8//edZuqMICtqUDY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=dYfEQowsu3qJVRxhGnvnEApvVFt7b55ATcusnIj94IFKlOg3cHu+5WPDPyRP31hzGA sM++0otd+kQJNUa/Ey0hqj0AOVVacCQzBvS8dZyzKrk7v717Mvw1sqMrdBb+EGJwyDi8 JcNrIyBFqwBqW6Ceo+8T7KEnwYTBgadxff/V4= Received: by 10.90.120.14 with SMTP id s14mr9122105agc.25.1224689498064; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:31:38 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] emissions controls, was: I have returned In-Reply-To: <48FF39FF.8080706@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48FE9906.8030102@chucknorcutt.com> <48FF39FF.8080706@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6b8da2449004b687 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 17:38:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff48f221022046811720 The car's computers are also running a 500 mile average on the timing and other things having to do with ignition, fuel-injection and transmittion shift-points. When you alter your driving style or whatever, (like taking a 10000 mile road trip) the computer needs about 500 miles to have completed the transition to the new driving conditions. Dumping the memory by disconnecting the battery will reset the computers to a factory default setting. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 18:02:09 2008 Received: (qmail 21223 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 16:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 16:02:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0946C34E7; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:01:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:01:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1DCC3547 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:01:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23216 invoked by uid 504); 22 Oct 2008 16:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 22 Oct 2008 16:01:34 -0000 Message-ID: <48FF4E5E.4000507@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:01:34 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Any Moose sightings? References: <8CB01E9EC95DE05-D4-77E@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> <48FEA246.9030403@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 18:02:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff4e81203571035110158 I hit about 250/day for a couple of days. I didn't have enough non-driving time to do more than that without risking the wrath of SWMBO. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > My median average this past month has been around 550 images a day. > Obviously, that's median average, not median average. I don't think I could > handle almost 4000 images a week. I know my current workflow couldn't > handle it. I too am looking forward to the latest/greatest from Drs Flash > and Moose. > > AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 18:02:25 2008 Received: (qmail 2088 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 16:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 16:02:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B189C398A; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:02:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:02:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664A7C37F4 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:02:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9500JQNDUAYR52@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:01:22 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-9-73.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.9.73]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:25:23 -0300 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:01:21 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <85BA2862BD81418BBB2E9A4095C6CCB9@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkoQAJPr/kgYiglJ/2dsb2JhbACBbIgevEwHg0g X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,465,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="337997616" References: <100-b945ff48-27282.007@comkal.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 18:02:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff4e91197957927319144 I was going to ask how one attaches two lenses to one camera body at the same time! I've never owned a camera on which you could mount two lenses. Does the dual lens adaptor allow one to shoot backwards and forwards at the same time, round corners or with one lens pointing west and the other east when the camera body is pointing south? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Manners" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:24 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates > >> You update the lens while it's attached to the body. Same with flashes, >> whatever. Affix it to the body, then go through the firmware update >> routine. It will determine the accessories attached, their firmware >> revision, and if they need updating. Will have to do it for any/all >> lenses and or flashes you may happen to posses. > > Be aware that Oly states that you cant update two lens > at the same time. So if your using the dual lens adapter, > your out of luck. > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.comkal.net/ > > Be vewwy vewwy quiet ... I'm hunting taglines. > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 18:07:50 2008 Received: (qmail 17278 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 16:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 16:07:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CCAC2901; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:07:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:07:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82115C3519 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:07:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so7644569gxk.17 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:07:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=lN/btOJl/yyW3o3oOtuEsvdtjrgOkdOgdZjFCnfSpDM=; b=aShxhXZq5nbRxtgz9Lb4aukZ1rX29tr6zIYT5k70lGRuVdhQdj+MXnJflw1ToVDI01 Yjw9tDu3dbIgs1VYVryOUMjC1LSrWxw+j73DHoXHfxWkYmXYkl46A/Nnii56388QyHpT R16fuAlpwB2tlQXV7de8iKilHn0C8Px82+2iU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=D2WXQnLS5HDMNGw7u9uXnEWOZBZPYefhYdUgYbxUu45h+C/8pXBPKmgU8KHScgCiq0 Ge8Cz6IRAM/ZB+THMvrxcGfb3oQsS62i7rNiIA925/3s5fJ8N3nCetckfrc6+QYQwRnc af+UHmUpr8ClL7gbJyBUrV20cYwMmBR1YJorc= Received: by 10.90.65.5 with SMTP id n5mr10618044aga.14.1224691657119; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:07:07 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Any Moose sightings? In-Reply-To: <48FF4E5E.4000507@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CB01E9EC95DE05-D4-77E@WEBMAIL-MZ03.sysops.aol.com> <48FEA246.9030403@gmail.com> <48FF4E5E.4000507@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5df0133e4e891699 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 18:07:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff4fd6146791946193717 Dr Flash wrote: >I hit about 250/day for a couple of days. I didn't have enough >non-driving time to do more than that without risking the wrath of SWMBO. Smart man. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 18:11:27 2008 Received: (qmail 25312 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 16:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 16:11:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B78C2892; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:11:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:11:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF45DC3051 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:11:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9500JSKEAPZ352@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:11:13 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-9-73.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.9.73]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:36:30 -0300 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:11:16 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] emissions controls, was: I have returned To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <35AFBBB7FD2A4EA18E8A0BCBEEC190F3@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkoQAHPt/kgYiglJ/2dsb2JhbACBbIgevFgHg0g X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,465,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="387613541" References: <48FE9906.8030102@chucknorcutt.com> <48FF39FF.8080706@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 18:11:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff50af74171342116753 While we're on the topic of road trips, I have come across a very recently published retrospective by a Canadian journalist of Robert M. Pirsig's early 1970s motor cycle ride from Minneapolis to California. Pirsig's bike engine was all of 305cc or so. Considering the high literacy rate of the list membership, and assuming that most all listees will have read Pirsig's Zen and the Art of Motor Cycle Maintenance, are there any opinions on the recent retrospective? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] emissions controls, was: I have returned > > The car's computers are also running a 500 mile average on the timing and > other things having to do with ignition, fuel-injection and transmittion > shift-points. When you alter your driving style or whatever, (like taking > a > 10000 mile road trip) the computer needs about 500 miles to have completed > the transition to the new driving conditions. Dumping the memory by > disconnecting the battery will reset the computers to a factory default > setting. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 18:18:56 2008 Received: (qmail 17819 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 16:18:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 16:18:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C90C37BF; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:18:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:18:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A18C3718 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:18:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KsgQ0-0001Jw-FM for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:18:44 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <100-b945ff48-27282.007@comkal.net> <85BA2862BD81418BBB2E9A4095C6CCB9@hudson> Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:18:33 +0100 Message-ID: <05cd01c93461$d4759ec0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <85BA2862BD81418BBB2E9A4095C6CCB9@hudson> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Ack0X5aaFk+Ao0ilTMm0h+XDMQCYTAAAf6qg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081022-0, 22/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 18:18:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff5270253971023412894 John, you seem to think that Ian is joking, if I am not mistaken? Shame on you, look at this for a hint of what he was thinking of, surely. http://yandr.50megs.com/leica/turret/turret.htm ;-) -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hudson Sent: 22 October 2008 17:01 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates I was going to ask how one attaches two lenses to one camera body at the same time! I've never owned a camera on which you could mount two lenses. Does the dual lens adaptor allow one to shoot backwards and forwards at the same time, round corners or with one lens pointing west and the other east when the camera body is pointing south? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Manners" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:24 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates > >> You update the lens while it's attached to the body. Same with flashes, >> whatever. Affix it to the body, then go through the firmware update >> routine. It will determine the accessories attached, their firmware >> revision, and if they need updating. Will have to do it for any/all >> lenses and or flashes you may happen to posses. > > Be aware that Oly states that you cant update two lens > at the same time. So if your using the dual lens adapter, > your out of luck. > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.comkal.net/ > > Be vewwy vewwy quiet ... I'm hunting taglines. > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 18:20:22 2008 Received: (qmail 3774 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 16:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 16:20:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88614C380B; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:20:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:20:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F923C291F for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:20:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KsgRO-0001Wu-48 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:20:10 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <48FE9906.8030102@chucknorcutt.com> <48FF39FF.8080706@chucknorcutt.com> <35AFBBB7FD2A4EA18E8A0BCBEEC190F3@hudson> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] emissions controls, was: I have returned Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:19:58 +0100 Message-ID: <05ce01c93462$0781b470$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <35AFBBB7FD2A4EA18E8A0BCBEEC190F3@hudson> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Ack0YNV84S+xrD3uQe6YlpZRVZV3IgAARx+A X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081022-0, 22/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 18:20:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff52c561297350615338 Easy reader? Sorry, very sorry. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hudson Sent: 22 October 2008 17:11 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] emissions controls, was: I have returned While we're on the topic of road trips, I have come across a very recently published retrospective by a Canadian journalist of Robert M. Pirsig's early 1970s motor cycle ride from Minneapolis to California. Pirsig's bike engine was all of 305cc or so. Considering the high literacy rate of the list membership, and assuming that most all listees will have read Pirsig's Zen and the Art of Motor Cycle Maintenance, are there any opinions on the recent retrospective? jh --snip ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Oct 22 18:34:10 2008 Received: (qmail 586 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2008 16:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 16:34:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45ED8C3541; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:33:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:33:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E72C35B9 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:33:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K95001B8FCI4V10@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:33:54 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-9-73.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.9.73]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:56:48 -0300 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:33:58 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Lens Firmware Updates To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah8SAOry/kgYiglJ/2dsb2JhbACBbIgeT7wIB4NI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,465,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="350059822" References: <100-b945ff48-27282.007@comkal.net> <85BA2862BD81418BBB2E9A4095C6CCB9@hudson> <05cd01c93461$d4759ec0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Oct 22 18:34:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ff560212677927319144 Now there we are talking about some serious iron, glass and rotating parts! I bet the rotating device alone costs more than an E3. Back to my point though, for a one stop shop on updating the firmware on an E camera, etc all the electronic parts have to attached together like my FL-50R flash and 12-60 on my E510 body. If there was to be any anticipation of updating two lenses at one time, and which is nixed up front by Olympus, there w