From nilsf Sat Nov 1 00:20:41 2008 Received: (qmail 12521 invoked by uid 0); 31 Oct 2008 23:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 31 Oct 2008 23:20:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEEEEC3516; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:20:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:20:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23074C2B73 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:20:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [204.210.85.179]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081031232028.WDTI6605.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:20:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> References: <119922.95075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F2CC63A3CF3494994C5D70C64FF9F6F@hudson> <027701c93b4c$9b02b910$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> <490B7FB2.5000706@gmail.com> <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: The film guys .... Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:20:16 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 00:20:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490b92c9217511946193717 I think mine was "Little Black Duck," with Burl Ives, but I'm not sure. How the _hell_ can you people remember your first 45? (I remember my first .45 automatic, but that's a bit different. ) --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Oct 31, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > 'Hit the Road Jack' - Ray Charles. > I always had taste... > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 01/11/2008, at 8:59 AM, Moose wrote: > >> Jez Cunningham wrote: >>> Telstar - first 45 I ever bought... >>> Another old fart >>> >> Rock Around the Clock, Bill Haley and the Comets, was my first 45 >> purchase. >> >> An Older Fart (So the smell has faded, and that's good.) >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 00:22:50 2008 Received: (qmail 25217 invoked by uid 0); 31 Oct 2008 23:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 31 Oct 2008 23:22:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE8BC294C; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:22:37 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:22:37 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0432C3A75 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:22:24 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 25987 invoked by uid 502); 31 Oct 2008 23:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.191.113) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 31 Oct 2008 23:22:23 -0000 Message-ID: <490B9328.4040905@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:22:16 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] On a clear day, you can see a lot more... [was Nathan's PAW 43: a whole bunch of stuff] References: <74A26D3E-0490-4F67-8436-09609B90DEB8@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <74A26D3E-0490-4F67-8436-09609B90DEB8@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 00:22:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490b934a326671073733319 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > This is probably my most eclectic PAW of the year so far. Not only is there a variety of subjects, but I also used all the photo equipment I own: the two Olympus DSLRs and the Bronica 645. The results are here: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=164 > > and as always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > Weak, I'm weak. But I did hold off for a week to see if the urge would pass. :-) Not better, but certainly a different feeling. And a poster image for my argument that most filters aren't needed for digital. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 00:30:47 2008 Received: (qmail 4598 invoked by uid 0); 31 Oct 2008 23:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 31 Oct 2008 23:30:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E3FC32E7; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:30:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:30:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F261C2D3B for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:30:14 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 30835 invoked by uid 502); 31 Oct 2008 23:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.183.57) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 31 Oct 2008 23:30:13 -0000 Message-ID: <490B94FF.8030504@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:30:07 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: The film guys .... References: <119922.95075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F2CC63A3CF3494994C5D70C64FF9F6F@hudson> <027701c93b4c$9b02b910$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> <490B7FB2.5000706@gmail.com> <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 00:30:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490b9526245801591313764 Bob Whitmire wrote: > I think mine was "Little Black Duck," with Burl Ives, but I'm not sure. How the _hell_ can you people remember your first 45? How could I not? Saving up the money, worrying about how my parents might react. The only phonograph was in the living room and Mom was home most of the time. It was a big deal for me. > (I remember my first .45 automatic, but that's a bit different. ) > Yeah, I remember that, too. Boot camp. Yuck Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 00:31:09 2008 Received: (qmail 22085 invoked by uid 0); 31 Oct 2008 23:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 31 Oct 2008 23:31:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09EDC38FC; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:30:58 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:30:58 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23004C34A1 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:30:58 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 31275 invoked by uid 502); 31 Oct 2008 23:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.183.57) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 31 Oct 2008 23:30:57 -0000 Message-ID: <490B952B.2090408@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:30:51 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: The film guys .... References: <119922.95075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F2CC63A3CF3494994C5D70C64FF9F6F@hudson> <027701c93b4c$9b02b910$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> <490B7FB2.5000706@gmail.com> <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 00:31:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490b953d290378512572685 Andrew Fildes wrote: > 'Hit the Road Jack' - Ray Charles. > I always had taste... > By your standards... Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 00:39:09 2008 Received: (qmail 5744 invoked by uid 0); 31 Oct 2008 23:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 31 Oct 2008 23:39:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D35C3BCA; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:38:56 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:38:56 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16594C3CCE for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:38:56 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 3407 invoked by uid 502); 31 Oct 2008 23:38:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.177.175) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 31 Oct 2008 23:38:55 -0000 Message-ID: <490B9708.30400@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:38:48 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <90C00899-A0E0-42DF-94E1-F3480A8C6659@people.net.au> <05EF680454C64A4A853FD7DAD4A97147@meo.dec.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031160750.022abdf8@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081031160750.022abdf8@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 00:39:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490b971d3181234514069 WayneS wrote: > I actually just cleaned up... > > http://www.zuik.net/5D/pad_MG_5700.jpg > Whoa. I'm still ahead on mess, but I'm out computered and out monitored, with only two of each. I win on printers, though, with the two inkjets plus a Laserjet. You appear to have more stuff under repair. All I had at that moment was a TV remote torn open on the desk. (The 5-disk CD player is open on the dining room table.) And the DVM is out of sight, but the DC power supply is visible. :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 01:10:07 2008 Received: (qmail 26825 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 00:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 00:10:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2197C3425; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 01:09:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:09:54 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.184]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395A7C2E35 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 01:09:54 +0100 (CET) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i50so1259581rne.11 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:09:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=oiH/QVsvQmL21O1b628nkSWv2aRT/GHBOv7jIy6KjKA=; b=uSvBfw6mVX3CxrwRSqOXThQp3rIC4Riw6BZRrdLOVgQ2PqOJhfms1QosyhwpYImKR7 /UJ3lt44+fj9Bmde4jpOHy7iU4yQoXr9pXBFBIEkuUZJXmirMMMvCcGDZ6Gc8/Ogmioh LgFDYhlfq1AystqX1a38w551N47yNNCZJrsAE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=t/9H7vjhQkq4fdtWnlKI3YSKQGTCXP+DHVcImTNvV5BJs3kP2Elz/2U+6HOyLZBkhR 8dXUkk+g3rNCUkPX2nKH2WT+J5ZRgfEH8TseVZy0tlLHhVUJJjL3uja0kCQ8j6bk7jCx PSRhRmxYUOSFVlc9k0chcqxwtATqP3fuUd01I= Received: by 10.90.32.18 with SMTP id f18mr7198934agf.78.1225498161667; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.36.11 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:09:21 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: <490B9708.30400@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <90C00899-A0E0-42DF-94E1-F3480A8C6659@people.net.au> <05EF680454C64A4A853FD7DAD4A97147@meo.dec.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031160750.022abdf8@zuik.net> <490B9708.30400@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7852ec6b673eccf9 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 01:10:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490b9e5f254601585427447 Here is my "man-space". Yup, that's the dining-room table, complete with a bowl of chili. The joys of living in a condo with three females. http://www.image66media.com/pictures/main.php?g2_itemId=255&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 AG (living minimally and loving it) Schnozz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 01:20:48 2008 Received: (qmail 32026 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 00:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 00:20:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74635C3E29; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 01:20:35 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:20:35 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDB5C3C6A for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 01:20:34 +0100 (CET) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so584244yxj.89 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:20:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=0wzxPlBCpEHts3VQVcn+4/11cJ1El5oKvqVYoP5mV6E=; b=e0SGo6Dg77tfPRR85UmVjPXfz7I/v73OP9REyJSLD63W3qazqPmwr9qhisVgl1n39z S8j4PzxExnHQV+hkz4VxwWSv6rhmi8Bat5gT/VPSkRs6cWEzQrJWvek6J5nmRdoL8l/4 1/QnXKJaqC9Pa8M1lm7KyCpXUHN4S2+LKW1VQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Gg5rb0Lk+cWWeseyJJ7DUbzcb2u72gYwxkT/+sGFd1Xsgq3hgFGAblemIwjXHNX2xC bGe1EXiCwTbl6oXuM5/zz1U3x/NwcMsCrauoXEGyYPhSjRJGXOiBucCBolqx84GqB5gk CTfr1MfUixaK/wv9CbwCTibXt5pwZYgNB/o74= Received: by 10.90.118.8 with SMTP id q8mr10691693agc.67.1225498833560; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.36.11 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:20:33 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Remote flash: was It is now official ... In-Reply-To: <490B7B36.2020803@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CB09015865ECC2-7D8-F9D@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> <490A4E75.8090702@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030211330.011412f0@zuik.net> <490AE8B4.2070207@chucknorcutt.com> <490B2664.9040709@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031161224.022b7ae0@zuik.net> <490B7B36.2020803@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1c8d1ad8d9c4cea2 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 01:20:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490ba0e0164482336821329 Wayne wrote: >I was keying off the fact it was 16 channels, which implies an 802.15.4 >radio. That radio is packet based and the fastest asynchronous packet >is about 4mSec, worst case, 8 mSec. 4mS = 1/250. I know, I have >scope traces to show it. You wouldn't, by chance happen to "own" any of the intellectual rights to the blood, sweat and tears of the past two years, would you? AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 02:18:22 2008 Received: (qmail 30657 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 01:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 01:18:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A3CC38FC; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:18:11 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:18:11 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E27C38E9 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:18:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZVgT1a00E0EPchoA9dJ9gQ; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:18:09 +0000 Received: from hatty ([76.121.6.244]) by OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZdJ81a00D5Fu0GC8MdJ94D; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:18:09 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=o8wSXcZVtxUA:10 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=6W-8DmFxJVpHyDe8dOYA:9 a=AVIrp-2p7ybirxK-kgYA:7 a=LXLulazY9o_W3X0QNTt3NhKuEyIA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=-kJ9FQeapl4oRNIG9iwA:9 a=x2HutE_nLQOON66eJogA:7 a=U8UaV5N68lgND6U2xGEkI9uBlSIA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 From: "Lawrence Plummer" To: Subject: [OM] Re: what's not to like about Adobe Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:18:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Ack7v7K63Xrv4kx8QkSssAq5LOp7CA== X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: plummerl@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 02:18:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bae5e4337350615338 Thanks for the prompt! I finally got around to dealing with my upgrade to CS3, which I received in the middle of August and hadn't gotten around to installing yet. Called Adobe this afternoon, and I also have a free CS4 winging its way to me. larry --- On Fri, 10/31/08, John Hudson wrote: > From: John Hudson > Subject: [OM] what's not to like about Adobe > To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 11:32 AM > I bought a copy of Photoshop CS3 last August. > > Last week I phoned Adobe's customer care line and asked > if I could get an > upgrade to CS4 at less than the posted price. > > FedEx delivered the no-charge CS4 upgrade to my house this > morning. > > Now what's not to like about Adobe's service? > > jh > .> ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@xxxxxxxxxx > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 03:30:30 2008 Received: (qmail 30400 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 02:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 02:30:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEF9C2FF3; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:30:18 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:30:18 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7322FC3635 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:30:16 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 22426 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2008 02:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 02:30:15 -0000 Message-ID: <490BBF36.1070106@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:30:14 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: On a clear day, you can see a lot more... [was Nathan's PAW 43: a whole bunch of stuff] References: <74A26D3E-0490-4F67-8436-09609B90DEB8@frozenlight.eu> <490B9328.4040905@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <490B9328.4040905@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 03:30:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bbf46284357927319144 Can you teach me how to be weak? Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> This is probably my most eclectic PAW of the year so far. Not only is there a variety of subjects, but I also used all the photo equipment I own: the two Olympus DSLRs and the Bronica 645. The results are here: >> >> http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=164 >> >> and as always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. >> > Weak, I'm weak. But I did hold off for a week to see if the urge would > pass. :-) > > Not better, but certainly a different feeling. And a poster image for my > argument that most filters aren't needed for digital. > > > Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 03:35:34 2008 Received: (qmail 26594 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 02:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 02:35:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC391C3A4A; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:35:21 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:35:21 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B2A2C37E3 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:35:21 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 68564 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2008 02:35:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=IyuD4GX2QyyspZg3n0TGnRHXCsEk+oGotQS43d7Mj5rTVB7i5cbOeucwZVMVMWZSSPta6xl2ztjJMAe0n/orIRMnqTHaZHzzV6NBjh4//pexM2NrSx0o+UzwxeXY0qdGVkZdoH4aKaC/q8UHBVHx11XmR1IBRyU053Bgq+Y9ccI=; X-YMail-OSG: 6KdwSogVM1kQQOk0FamCwu3bG1S0fQ0NNJ9K92Y85OIIGffClQggmkHCTmhL.ajAr9sJUL45fvPs0BZzIR.AYXHe5D1qWAqGtciXPzQjmDgNNVieAuSYw2.uc60nWqWk31PHvCWgCOs1CxXvvB23xNwzDnaukv63x4AoH7P9ueCJK4TmW9BnGMai6hc_ Received: from [69.66.220.9] by web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:35:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:35:20 -0700 (PDT) From: AG Schnozz Subject: [OM] Re: On a clear day, you can see a lot more... [was Nathan's PAW 43: a whole bunch of stuff] To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <490B9328.4040905@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <235518.67862.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: agschnozz@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 03:35:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bc07694665368819438 Moose wrote: > Not better, but certainly a different feeling. And a poster > image for my > argument that most filters aren't needed for digital. > The modified image is definitely in the "West Coast" vein. Not evil by any means, but losing a bit of sublety and mood that I feel in the original. However, that said... There are several "rules" regarding B&W photographs. One particular "rule" is to define your boundaries. These boundaries provide visual points of reference. B&W is "abstract" by its very nature. Abstract works require points of reference otherwise your brain is stuck in "what is it?" mode. What then would be an adequate visual boundary or point of reference? Typically in B&W, that would be an anchoring white and an anchoring black somewhere within the photograph. In the original, there is neither. However, in Moose's modification, I feel that he stretched the contrast a touch too far and lost the sublety in the midtone gradients. I would have rather seen the outer levels stretched and the midtones kept more intact. This would have provided the "boundaries" yet kept the moodiness in the photo. But this is just my opinion. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 04:40:05 2008 Received: (qmail 28591 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 03:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 03:40:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C37EC3015; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:39:53 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:39:53 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A39C2D9F for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:39:52 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 18816 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2008 22:39:29 -0500 Received: from pool-96-230-116-45.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.230.116.45) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 31 Oct 2008 22:39:29 -0500 Message-ID: <490BCF85.9010709@ctgonline.org> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:39:49 -0500 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: The film guys .... References: <119922.95075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F2CC63A3CF3494994C5D70C64FF9F6F@hudson> <027701c93b4c$9b02b910$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> <490B7FB2.5000706@gmail.com> <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: cygnus@ctgonline.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 04:40:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bcf9595881585427447 Andrew Fildes wrote: > 'Hit the Road Jack' - Ray Charles. > I always had taste... > > On 01/11/2008, at 8:59 AM, Moose wrote: > >> Jez Cunningham wrote: >>> Telstar - first 45 I ever bought... >>> Another old fart >>> >> Rock Around the Clock, Bill Haley and the Comets, was my first 45 >> purchase. >> >> An Older Fart (So the smell has faded, and that's good.) >> "I'm Sorry" by John Denver (duet with Olivia Newton-John) -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 04:49:55 2008 Received: (qmail 17018 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 03:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 03:49:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36640C3978; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:49:44 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:49:44 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F3DC3A55 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:49:43 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 29423 invoked by uid 502); 1 Nov 2008 03:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.190.182) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 03:49:42 -0000 Message-ID: <490BD1CE.7020003@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:49:34 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: The film guys .... References: <119922.95075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F2CC63A3CF3494994C5D70C64FF9F6F@hudson> <027701c93b4c$9b02b910$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> <490B7FB2.5000706@gmail.com> <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> <490BCF85.9010709@ctgonline.org> In-Reply-To: <490BCF85.9010709@ctgonline.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 04:49:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bd1e310101470116606 *John Lennon, *in a Playboy interview, January 1981: Lennon: "I had no idea about doing music as a way of life until rock and roll hit me. Interviewer: "Do you recall what specifically hit you? Lennon: It was "Rock Around The Clock." > Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> 'Hit the Road Jack' - Ray Charles. >> I always had taste... >> >> On 01/11/2008, at 8:59 AM, Moose wrote: >> >>> Rock Around the Clock, Bill Haley and the Comets, was my first 45 >>> purchase. >>> >>> An Older Fart (So the smell has faded, and that's good.) >>> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 05:17:11 2008 Received: (qmail 32080 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 04:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 04:17:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124E7C2FA5; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 05:17:00 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:17:00 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEBDC3334 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 05:16:59 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 12216 invoked by uid 502); 1 Nov 2008 04:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.207.187) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 04:16:58 -0000 Message-ID: <490BD833.4020203@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:16:51 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: On a clear day, you can see a lot more... [was Nathan's PAW 43: a whole bunch of stuff] References: <235518.67862.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <235518.67862.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 05:17:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bd847194505368819438 AG Schnozz wrote: > Moose wrote: > >> Not better, but certainly a different feeling. And a poster >> image for my >> argument that most filters aren't needed for digital. >> >> > > The modified image is definitely in the "West Coast" vein. Not evil by any means, but losing a bit of sublety and mood that I feel in the original. > > However, that said... There are several "rules" regarding B&W photographs. One particular "rule" is to define your boundaries. These boundaries provide visual points of reference. B&W is "abstract" by its very nature. Abstract works require points of reference otherwise your brain is stuck in "what is it?" mode. > I don't know the formal rules. I was concerned about boundaries, making both the one at the closer ridge, the one between the left massif and the more distant one and the one between mountains and sky fairly clear. > What then would be an adequate visual boundary or point of reference? Typically in B&W, that would be an anchoring white and an anchoring black somewhere within the photograph. In the original, there is neither. However, in Moose's modification, I feel that he stretched the contrast a touch too far and lost the sublety in the midtone gradients. I would have rather seen the outer levels stretched and the midtones kept more intact. This would have provided the "boundaries" yet kept the moodiness in the photo. > For my purposes, I wasn't trying to retain the moody nature of the original. However, once you mentioned it, I tried that in Version 1. Version 2 is similar to my original, but with gentler midtones. Version 3 is my original, "West Coast" version. > But this is just my opinion. > I've worked very little with B&W in the last several decades, whereas you are quite expert at it. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 05:20:53 2008 Received: (qmail 31322 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 04:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 04:20:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D60C33CB; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 05:20:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:20:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0930EC2F42 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 05:20:42 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 13905 invoked by uid 502); 1 Nov 2008 04:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.189.11) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 04:20:41 -0000 Message-ID: <490BD908.7040805@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:20:24 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: On a clear day, you can see a lot more... [was Nathan's PAW 43: a whole bunch of stuff] References: <74A26D3E-0490-4F67-8436-09609B90DEB8@frozenlight.eu> <490B9328.4040905@gmail.com> <490BBF36.1070106@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <490BBF36.1070106@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 05:20:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bd925169681838542571 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Can you teach me how to be weak? > Your visit was too short. You missed the tutorials. :-) (More like fumbling in the dark, with B&W.) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 06:11:53 2008 Received: (qmail 14031 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 05:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 05:11:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3AA4C30A3; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:11:41 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:11:41 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D83FC2F83 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:11:40 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 28438 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2008 05:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 05:11:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490BCF85.9010709@ctgonline.org> References: <119922.95075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F2CC63A3CF3494994C5D70C64FF9F6F@hudson> <027701c93b4c$9b02b910$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> <490B7FB2.5000706@gmail.com> <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> <490BCF85.9010709@ctgonline.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: The film guys .... Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:11:36 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 06:11:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490be51931571023412894 On 01/11/2008, at 2:39 PM, Paul Braun wrote: > "I'm Sorry" by John Denver (duet with Olivia Newton-John) You should be sorry too! Some teen rebel you were. > Paul Braun > Valparaiso, IN > > "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. > Hubbins No, it's a yawning gulf - clever is sometimes stupid but true Stupid goes right to the bone. > "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon Some sandwiches are impossible to enjoy, like the ones at morning tea yesterday. (Foam rubber white bread, cheap margarine, gristly oversalted 'ham', rubbery tasteless 'cheese'.... > "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March My knees beg to differ. 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(124-171-172-115.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.172.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i6sm7592375tid.5.2008.10.31.22.12.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <490BE52A.8040600@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:12:10 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: The film guys .... References: <119922.95075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F2CC63A3CF3494994C5D70C64FF9F6F@hudson> <027701c93b4c$9b02b910$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> <490B7FB2.5000706@gmail.com> <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> <490BCF85.9010709@ctgonline.org> In-Reply-To: <490BCF85.9010709@ctgonline.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 06:12:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490be543302883675314703 >>> Jez Cunningham wrote: >>>> Telstar - first 45 I ever bought... >>>> Another old fart The first vinyl "single" I owned ("45"? Never called them that. I don't really know whether a "45" *is* a vinyl single) was Mi-Sex's "Space Race"...or maybe Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust". The first album I owned (with my sister) was on tape, and was ABBA's "Arrival". The first album and "LP" I owned (by myself) was either KISS's "Dynasty", or Devo's "Freedom of Choice" or Devo's "DEV-O Live". Everything's a bit hazy. I'm not ashamed, so don't bother. ;) They all are still in existence, though stored at Mum's place. Cheers, Marc http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 06:13:42 2008 Received: (qmail 30341 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 05:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 05:13:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C13C30ED; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:13:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:13:30 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FCBC3103 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:13:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-105-177-202.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.105.177.202]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA15DPDJ011013 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:13:26 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Comparison shots Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:13:20 +1100 Message-ID: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <490BD1CE.7020003@gmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Ack71Oi0iEYI9jUMRPCzAaj0ct3/TAACZW4g Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 06:13:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490be586197789347015869 http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-a.jpg http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-b.jpg One of these images: Olympus E-510, 14-42mm @14mm, ISO 400, 1/125, f8 the other: Mamiya RB-67 Pro-S, 50mm, Portra 400NC, 1/125, f8, scanned (vuescan) @2400dpi on Epson V700, some adjustment to colour balance & contrast. Both images had perspective correction as I was shooting from the top of a 2m step ladder, cropping, resize to 2400 wide and same basic sharpening before uploading to the site. Ok, so which image is E-510 ? Which one do you prefer ? (whatever your criteria happens to be) Why ? ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 06:25:59 2008 Received: (qmail 16201 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 05:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 05:25:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AC9C3CC9; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:25:44 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:25:44 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F27C3D22 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:19:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:57286 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1Kw8t8-0004cM-20 (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:19:07 +0000 Message-Id: <88A1AF4F-B301-437B-BDF4-B9A137C4A52E@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <490B9328.4040905@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: On a clear day, you can see a lot more... [was Nathan's PAW 43: a whole bunch of stuff] Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:19:05 +0100 References: <74A26D3E-0490-4F67-8436-09609B90DEB8@frozenlight.eu> <490B9328.4040905@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 06:25:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490be867255557927319144 Thanks Moose! I think your version 1 is an improvement on my original, while versions 2 and 3 are too radical. My original or version 1 are closest to what the scene actually looked and felt like. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Nov 1, 2008, at 12:22 AM, Moose wrote: > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> This is probably my most eclectic PAW of the year so far. Not only >> is there a variety of subjects, but I also used all the photo >> equipment I own: the two Olympus DSLRs and the Bronica 645. The >> results are here: >> >> http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=164 >> >> and as always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. >> > Weak, I'm weak. But I did hold off for a week to see if the urge would > pass. :-) > > Not better, but certainly a different feeling. And a poster image > for my > argument that most filters aren't needed for digital. > > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 06:31:58 2008 Received: (qmail 12681 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 05:31:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 05:31:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3B7C3DE4; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:31:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:31:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [207.115.11.54]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C7DC3C12 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:22:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20081101052246H0400i7eaoe>; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 05:22:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <8FDBD9FE02EF4EE8AF0FCD05530313AF@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:22:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 06:31:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490be9ce134581470116606 Wayne, The group A shot is definitlely the sharpest, and it looks similar to what I get with my E-510 and 14-54. I vote for "A" as the 510. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:13 AM Subject: [OM] Comparison shots > > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-a.jpg > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-b.jpg > > > One of these images: > > Olympus E-510, 14-42mm @14mm, ISO 400, 1/125, f8 > > the other: > > Mamiya RB-67 Pro-S, 50mm, Portra 400NC, 1/125, f8, scanned (vuescan) > @2400dpi on Epson V700, some adjustment to colour balance & contrast. > > Both images had perspective correction as I was shooting from the top of a > 2m step ladder, cropping, resize to 2400 wide and same basic sharpening > before uploading to the site. > > Ok, so which image is E-510 ? > Which one do you prefer ? (whatever your criteria happens to be) > Why ? > > ...Wayne > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 06:33:03 2008 Received: (qmail 15472 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 05:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 05:33:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96A4C2F2F; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:32:43 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:32:43 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D0DC3E81 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:23:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:57289 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1Kw8wu-0002Lt-9F (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:23:01 +0000 Message-Id: <7E3A8762-0670-4C06-BF4C-4C56C54E3AF1@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <490BE52A.8040600@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: The film guys .... Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:22:59 +0100 References: <119922.95075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F2CC63A3CF3494994C5D70C64FF9F6F@hudson> <027701c93b4c$9b02b910$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> <490B7FB2.5000706@gmail.com> <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> <490BCF85.9010709@ctgonline.org> <490BE52A.8040600@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 06:33:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bea0f326734673671140 I do not think I ever bought a 45 single, but the first album I can recall buying was in fact paid for by my parents, as it was my 12th birthday present. Made in Japan by Deep Purple, a double-album containing just 7 songs if I remember correctly. I still have it, although no turntable anymore. Of course, I have long ago re-acquired this album on CD and it now resides on my iPod as well. One of the good things about being 48 is that all the good music is always on sale ;-) Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Nov 1, 2008, at 6:12 AM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: >>>> Jez Cunningham wrote: >>>>> Telstar - first 45 I ever bought... >>>>> Another old fart > > The first vinyl "single" I owned ("45"? Never called them that. I > don't > really know whether a "45" *is* a vinyl single) was Mi-Sex's "Space > Race"...or maybe Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust". The first > album I > owned (with my sister) was on tape, and was ABBA's "Arrival". The > first > album and "LP" I owned (by myself) was either KISS's "Dynasty", or > Devo's "Freedom of Choice" or Devo's "DEV-O Live". Everything's a > bit hazy. > > I'm not ashamed, so don't bother. ;) They all are still in existence, > though stored at Mum's place. > > Cheers, > Marc > http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 06:33:49 2008 Received: (qmail 7994 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 05:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 05:33:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787D5C366D; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:33:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:33:30 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD430C3CAB for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:25:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:57293 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1Kw8zU-0002uT-7B (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:25:40 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:25:39 +0100 References: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 06:33:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bea3d244062046811720 I prefer a. No idea which camera took which picture, but a is better because the children in the first row are all facing the camera, and the guy closest to the camera is smiling. In b he is frowning, and several of the children are looking away. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Nov 1, 2008, at 6:13 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-a.jpg > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-b.jpg > > > One of these images: > > Olympus E-510, 14-42mm @14mm, ISO 400, 1/125, f8 > > the other: > > Mamiya RB-67 Pro-S, 50mm, Portra 400NC, 1/125, f8, scanned (vuescan) > @2400dpi on Epson V700, some adjustment to colour balance & contrast. > > Both images had perspective correction as I was shooting from the > top of a > 2m step ladder, cropping, resize to 2400 wide and same basic > sharpening > before uploading to the site. > > Ok, so which image is E-510 ? > Which one do you prefer ? (whatever your criteria happens to be) > Why ? > > ...Wayne > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 06:34:03 2008 Received: (qmail 4431 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 05:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 05:34:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB26C2B6B; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:33:50 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:33:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6D8C3B71 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:31:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:57298 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1Kw954-0007Oh-2L (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:31:27 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <490B768B.6090708@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Anyone got Vonage VOIP service? Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:31:26 +0100 References: <490B38C9.2060304@interisland.net> <490B768B.6090708@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 06:34:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bea4b41911234514069 I guess we all use telecoms in a different way. I do not have the issue with coverage, as I live in a city and anyway the mobile networks in Europe are pretty dense. But I like having a different number from my wife's and daughter's. That way I do not have to answer their calls. A mobile phone by definition has caller ID (unless the caller blocks his number, of course) and voice mail. I hate call waiting and did not know anyone still used that feature. In some countries, there are services where your mobile phone acts like a landline phone when you are at home (and therefore you pay landline prices, which are close to free). Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 31, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Moose wrote: > Mike wrote: >>> Actually, an increasing number of people have their mobiles as >>> their only phone these days. ... >>> >> Bad idea around here for many reasons. >> > I suppose it wouldn't be too bad an idea here, as we don't have your > issues. But it would sure be inconvenient. Although our house isn't > large, it's a bit spread out. So we have a wireless phone set-up with > three handsets, base station-charging station-answering machine in the > kitchen and charging stations in living room and master bedroom. > > As a whole, it works very well. One handset is mostly Carol's and has > her numbers, etc. on it, another is mostly mine and one is shared. One > can almost always find a phone to answer quickly. > > It also has stuff like caller ID, call waiting and ID at all handsets, > intercom, answering machine operation from any handset, etc. Going to > two cell phones and a simple, no feature landline - and three > different > numbers, would be a great deal less functional. > > I've been trying to figure out a way around this. What's really needed > is a base station/cell charger with multi handset capacity into which > one plugs the cell phone when at home. That would save us lots of > money. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 06:34:13 2008 Received: (qmail 9355 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 05:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 05:34:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D48BC2986; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:34:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:33:50 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CB7C3E4C for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:30:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from user-0c2ibh5.cable.earthlink.net ([24.41.46.37] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Kw94H-0005WB-00 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:30:38 -0400 Message-ID: <490BE97C.3020605@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:30:36 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: The film guys .... References: <119922.95075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F2CC63A3CF3494994C5D70C64FF9F6F@hudson> <027701c93b4c$9b02b910$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081031-1, 10/31/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 06:34:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bea553601838542571 Never got into 45s much. I do remember that the Beatles Rubber Soul was the first LP I purchased. Jim Couch Jez Cunningham wrote: > Telstar - first 45 I ever bought... > Another old fart > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 06:37:49 2008 Received: (qmail 20176 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 05:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 05:37:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBCAC2CE8; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:37:37 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:37:37 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0545BC2AD9 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:37:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from 23.red-81-39-94.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.39.94.23]:57303 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1Kw9B2-0000BY-12 (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:37:36 +0000 Message-Id: <7E9D3E7C-B5B7-491C-9B68-5E614366E559@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <230FD131439141EBB70DFA4C4CB1404B@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 44: pretty clouds and other stuff X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:37:35 +0100 References: <9466199E-B497-4FCF-A22A-5741B25B9C8F@frozenlight.eu> <230FD131439141EBB70DFA4C4CB1404B@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 06:37:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490beb2d23237927319144 Thanks, Jim. There are several attractive señoritas selling vegetables at the market. I guess veg is good for your health :-) Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Oct 31, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > > Nathan, > > Nice collection. I bet the senorita in Alt. 4 draws a lot of male > customers. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan Wajsman" > To: "Leica Users Group" ; ; > ; "Picture a Day discussion group" > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 2:19 PM > Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 44: pretty clouds and other stuff > > >> >> I am posting my PAWs earlier than usual, since I am off to Denmark >> tomorrow morning. It has been a slow week for photography, with lots >> of work (it is appraisal season at the office, and I have quite a few >> people reporting to me), so most of the pictures are from a >> motorcycle >> ride last weekend, and otherwise just from shopping and walking my >> dog. In fact, the first three are just from the roof terrace of my >> house. I just had to make the best of the time and "raw material" >> that >> I had available: >> >> http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=165 >> >> As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. >> >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 07:15:03 2008 Received: (qmail 16838 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 06:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 06:15:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A21C31E0; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:14:51 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:14:51 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52181C2DEE for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:14:48 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 6125 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2008 06:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 06:14:44 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081101015140.0228c5a0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:14:22 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: Remote flash: was It is now official ... In-Reply-To: References: <8CB09015865ECC2-7D8-F9D@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> <490A4E75.8090702@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030211330.011412f0@zuik.net> <490AE8B4.2070207@chucknorcutt.com> <490B2664.9040709@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031161224.022b7ae0@zuik.net> <490B7B36.2020803@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 07:15:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bf3e776431073733319 Those rights belong to the trust that funded the company. But I know how to do a lot of stuff anyway, without going into that IP. The fact they have "bees" in their name implies they may be Zigbee based. I've seen a lot of companies play off the bee in the naming. Like BeeKit (Freescale), XBee, ... Depending on the quality of the MAC software layers of the ZigBee stack it is possible to get 0-4mS delay window, for a very dedicated system, but if used as a relay, that will increase the hops and double the delay. The packet size can be as much as 128 byte payload, a chunk of which is network layer, leaving about 100 bytes payload. The raw baudrate is around 250K, 200k after network, but the delay is packet based and have an return acknowledge. The systems can be clock synced to a higher precision, but events still have to propagate and still based on packet delay. The system can pre-schedule an synchronized event that could be high precision. I could be totally wrong, and there are other radio systems that might work better, but these are low cost and a lot of the networking stuff has been worked out. Just search on ZigBee. There can be problems with single event reliability with interference from wifi or other 2.4GHz sources. I would be curious to know what radio technology they do use. The ideal situation is if the radio unit attached to the camera controlled when the shutter actually gets released, then it could schedule the event very precisely. WayneS At 08:20 PM 10/31/2008, you wrote: >Wayne wrote: >>I was keying off the fact it was 16 channels, which implies an 802.15.4 >>radio. That radio is packet based and the fastest asynchronous packet >>is about 4mSec, worst case, 8 mSec. 4mS = 1/250. I know, I have >>scope traces to show it. > > >You wouldn't, by chance happen to "own" any of the intellectual rights to >the blood, sweat and tears of the past two years, would you? > >AG > > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 07:22:44 2008 Received: (qmail 21821 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 06:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 06:22:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA550C314C; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:22:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:22:32 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1712C2E25 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:22:31 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 9619 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2008 06:22:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 06:22:26 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081101021842.022d4768@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:22:23 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: focus blend CS4 In-Reply-To: <490B5788.7010507@gmail.com> References: <733A6D3E980F4B4CB75D6D2213C1C0CF@jimnichols> <4907DF12.8060406@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081029212924.011c19a8@zuik.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20081029232340.031ad060@zuik.net> <490B5788.7010507@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 07:22:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bf5b435291529615919 Randomness rules the world. Some things may benefit from this technique. Another way is to use a scanning electron microscope. Perhaps some future camera will figure out how to do high DOF in a one shot fashion, that's faster than a pin hole camera. WayneS At 03:07 PM 10/31/2008, Moose wrote: > > >My trouble is that I usually want the greater DOF for a shot in the >field with equipment at hand and shooting conditions un-conducive to >careful multiple shots. It's windy, or the light is changing rapidly, or >tripods aren't allowed, or I don't have one, or there are people I'm >blocking or they are wandering through the subject area, or ... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 07:44:57 2008 Received: (qmail 23064 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 06:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 06:44:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D801C31AF; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:44:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:44:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93A9C2BEF for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:44:44 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 20783 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2008 06:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 06:44:42 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081101024323.010e0de8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:44:37 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: focus blend CS4 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081101021842.022d4768@zuik.net> References: <733A6D3E980F4B4CB75D6D2213C1C0CF@jimnichols> <4907DF12.8060406@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081029212924.011c19a8@zuik.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20081029232340.031ad060@zuik.net> <490B5788.7010507@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081101021842.022d4768@zuik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 07:44:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bfae9124337350615338 At 02:22 AM 11/1/2008, myself wrote: > Perhaps some future camera will figure >out how to do high DOF in a one shot fashion, that's faster >than a pin hole camera. Oh yeah, those are called cell phone cameras, with that tiny lens and sensor. duh WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 07:56:21 2008 Received: (qmail 1046 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 06:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 06:56:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB052C39A1; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:56:03 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:56:03 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB8CC290C for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:55:03 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 7882 invoked by uid 502); 1 Nov 2008 06:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.177.43) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 06:55:02 -0000 Message-ID: <490BFD43.4010809@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:54:59 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: focus blend CS4 References: <733A6D3E980F4B4CB75D6D2213C1C0CF@jimnichols> <4907DF12.8060406@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081029212924.011c19a8@zuik.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20081029232340.031ad060@zuik.net> <490B5788.7010507@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081101021842.022d4768@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081101021842.022d4768@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 07:56:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bfd9563191257536491 WayneS wrote: > Randomness rules the world. I wasn't complaining. Without the randomness, things would get boring. I was just pointing out why my interest has so far been small. One day some project will likely get me playing with it. > Some things may benefit from this technique. Absolutely! Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 08:03:41 2008 Received: (qmail 15831 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 07:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 07:03:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC61C2AF5; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:03:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:03:30 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022FDC291D for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:03:29 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 29780 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2008 07:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 07:03:26 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081101030207.0114e6f0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:03:22 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] happy Halloween In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081101021842.022d4768@zuik.net> References: <733A6D3E980F4B4CB75D6D2213C1C0CF@jimnichols> <4907DF12.8060406@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081029212924.011c19a8@zuik.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20081029232340.031ad060@zuik.net> <490B5788.7010507@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081101021842.022d4768@zuik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 08:03:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490bff4d161777350615338 http://www.zuik.net/5D/halloween_MG_5851.jpg http://www.zuik.net/5D/halloween_MG_5840.jpg Neighborhood near Beacon St in Boston. Wayne>S ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 08:15:57 2008 Received: (qmail 6575 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 07:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 07:15:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FCF9C33D3; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:15:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:15:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl35.gs02.gridserver.com (cl35.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.44]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F23CC2B85 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:15:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50041 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl35.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KwAi0-0002Z8-VY for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:15:45 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:15:42 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: happy Halloween From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] happy Halloween Thread-Index: Ack78aZN5QEbfafkEd2mFwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081101030207.0114e6f0@zuik.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 08:15:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c022d180841591313764 Cool pics. My son and I went trick or treating in my parents neighborhood. I live in an apartment, so we couldn't do it there. I took a photo, but used my D200. He was a Clone Trooper from Star Wars. I intend to eat a lot of candy! -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 11/1/08 3:03 AM, "WayneS" wrote: > http://www.zuik.net/5D/halloween_MG_5851.jpg > http://www.zuik.net/5D/halloween_MG_5840.jpg > > Neighborhood near Beacon St in Boston. > > Wayne>S > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 08:31:28 2008 Received: (qmail 19444 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 07:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 07:31:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211ECC3B71; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:31:17 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:31:17 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D505EC3BCB for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:31:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KwAx2-0006lX-JJ for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:31:16 +0000 Received: from [77.99.183.220] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KwAx2-0001OT-5f for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:31:16 +0000 Message-Id: <898D698D-93AD-47CB-A716-5EE6A019176B@mailcan.com> From: James R To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:31:15 +0000 References: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: londonjames@mailcan.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 08:31:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c05d0197801591313764 B is definitely the scan - the colours are a bit off, especially the reds, and it reminds me of how frustrating scanning is. Does Vuescan still have all those weird film types and none of the ones that you might actually use? A looks better but, ignoring the limited attention of the subjects, I wonder if the same would be true if you looked at a print from the neg? James On 1 Nov 2008, at 05:13, Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-a.jpg > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-b.jpg > > > One of these images: > > Olympus E-510, 14-42mm @14mm, ISO 400, 1/125, f8 > > the other: > > Mamiya RB-67 Pro-S, 50mm, Portra 400NC, 1/125, f8, scanned (vuescan) > @2400dpi on Epson V700, some adjustment to colour balance & contrast. > > Both images had perspective correction as I was shooting from the > top of a > 2m step ladder, cropping, resize to 2400 wide and same basic > sharpening > before uploading to the site. > > Ok, so which image is E-510 ? > Which one do you prefer ? (whatever your criteria happens to be) > Why ? > > ...Wayne > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 10:57:00 2008 Received: (qmail 15384 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 09:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 09:56:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04F8C2EA8; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:56:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 10:56:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507EBC2E3F for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:56:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6109.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 35A807000084 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:56:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6109.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F2A087000082 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:56:46 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081101095646993.F2A087000082@mwinf6109.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:56:41 +0100 Message-ID: <3BE7021900CB499F87DAE652D8E60684@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 10:56:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c27eb246971342116753 Hi Wayne, Just checked them out. I like a the best, it has a more natural color (to me) and looks more crisp. Also the color of version a seems better to me. B is a but fuzzy and has a yellowish cast over it. I suspect it is caused by scanning. So I guess that a is the 510 version and b is the Mamya version. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Wayne Harridge > Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2008 6:13 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Comparison shots > > > > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-a.jpg > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-b.jpg > > > One of these images: > > Olympus E-510, 14-42mm @14mm, ISO 400, 1/125, f8 > > the other: > > Mamiya RB-67 Pro-S, 50mm, Portra 400NC, 1/125, f8, scanned > (vuescan) @2400dpi on Epson V700, some adjustment to colour > balance & contrast. > > Both images had perspective correction as I was shooting from > the top of a 2m step ladder, cropping, resize to 2400 wide > and same basic sharpening before uploading to the site. > > Ok, so which image is E-510 ? > Which one do you prefer ? (whatever your criteria happens to > be) Why ? > > ...Wayne > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 11:05:18 2008 Received: (qmail 1393 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 10:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 10:05:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448ACC2FA9; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:05:03 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:05:03 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F18C28E8 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:05:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6109.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C22E47000083 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:05:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6109.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 889B97000082 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:05:02 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081101100502559.889B97000082@mwinf6109.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: On a clear day, you can see a lot more... [was Nathan's PAW 43: a whole bunch of stuff] Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:04:57 +0100 Message-ID: <943115D8C1DA4DCABB52FB33EEA72754@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <490B9328.4040905@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 11:05:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c29de277911257536491 Coincidentally Nathan and I argued off-list about enhancing this shot. I felt it needed more punch while Nathan preferred to keep it as natural as possible. Version 2 comes closest to my taste but could be that somewhere between 1 and 2 is exactly the amount I meant. Still look very natural to me. I haven't seen the scene in real life though while Nathan has. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Moose > Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2008 0:22 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] On a clear day, you can see a lot more... > [was Nathan's PAW 43: a whole bunch of stuff] > > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > This is probably my most eclectic PAW of the year so far. > Not only is > > there a variety of subjects, but I also used all the photo > equipment I > > own: the two Olympus DSLRs and the Bronica 645. The results > are here: > > > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=164 > > > > and as always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > > Weak, I'm weak. But I did hold off for a week to see if the > urge would > pass. :-) > > Not better, but certainly a different feeling. And a poster > image for my > argument that most filters aren't needed for digital. > > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 12:32:52 2008 Received: (qmail 25128 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 11:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 11:32:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DD7C3609; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:32:41 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:32:41 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F78C3DE6 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:32:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9E7C9D71 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:50:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <40010F12-54E0-4965-A89A-4042CE99529E@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:32:40 +0000 References: <90C00899-A0E0-42DF-94E1-F3480A8C6659@people.net.au> <05EF680454C64A4A853FD7DAD4A97147@meo.dec.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031160750.022abdf8@zuik.net> <490B9708.30400@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 12:32:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c3e64119694673671140 Yes, that's minimal all right ... :-) Chris On 1 Nov 2008, at 00:09, Ken Norton wrote: > > Here is my "man-space". Yup, that's the dining-room table, complete > with a > bowl of chili. The joys of living in a condo with three females. > > http://www.image66media.com/pictures/main.php?g2_itemId=255&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 > > AG (living minimally and loving it) Schnozz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 12:34:52 2008 Received: (qmail 30543 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 11:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 11:34:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A984BC4037; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:34:40 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:34:40 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E329C400C for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:34:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDECFC9D85 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:52:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <786A3813-4501-4916-9469-2DF392C51695@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Anyone got Vonage VOIP service? Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:34:40 +0000 References: <490B38C9.2060304@interisland.net> <490B768B.6090708@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 12:34:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c3edc121031993019900 And over the last month or two I have been using 3G "mobile broadband" with Three. It's amazing how much coverage there is and how quick even just GPRS manages to be. I can use my MacBook to surf the Net on the train to London; it even keeps going in all but the longest tunnels! Chris On 1 Nov 2008, at 05:31, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I guess we all use telecoms in a different way. I do not have the > issue with coverage, as I live in a city and anyway the mobile > networks in Europe are pretty dense. > > But I like having a different number from my wife's and daughter's. > That way I do not have to answer their calls. > > A mobile phone by definition has caller ID (unless the caller blocks > his number, of course) and voice mail. I hate call waiting and did not > know anyone still used that feature. > > In some countries, there are services where your mobile phone acts > like a landline phone when you are at home (and therefore you pay > landline prices, which are close to free). > > Cheers, ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 12:38:48 2008 Received: (qmail 5835 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 11:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 11:38:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74DCC30CC; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:38:35 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:38:35 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8C3C3FD7 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:38:32 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 13314 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2008 11:38:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 11:38:31 -0000 Message-ID: <490C3FB7.20503@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:38:31 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: On a clear day, you can see a lot more... [was Nathan's PAW 43: a whole bunch of stuff] References: <235518.67862.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <490BD833.4020203@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <490BD833.4020203@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 12:38:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c3fc8227377350615338 I prefer version 1 since the brighter backgrounds of versions 2 and 3 have the effect of giving them foreground brightness and clarity and causes them to look unnatural. Version 1 maintains the relative brightness levels of the original in moving from foreground to background. Versions 2 and 3 for the background might work if the foreground is made still brighter. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > AG Schnozz wrote: >> Moose wrote: >> >>> Not better, but certainly a different feeling. And a poster >>> image for my >>> argument that most filters aren't needed for digital. >>> >>> >> The modified image is definitely in the "West Coast" vein. Not evil by any means, but losing a bit of sublety and mood that I feel in the original. >> >> However, that said... There are several "rules" regarding B&W photographs. One particular "rule" is to define your boundaries. These boundaries provide visual points of reference. B&W is "abstract" by its very nature. Abstract works require points of reference otherwise your brain is stuck in "what is it?" mode. >> > I don't know the formal rules. I was concerned about boundaries, making > both the one at the closer ridge, the one between the left massif and > the more distant one and the one between mountains and sky fairly clear. >> What then would be an adequate visual boundary or point of reference? Typically in B&W, that would be an anchoring white and an anchoring black somewhere within the photograph. In the original, there is neither. However, in Moose's modification, I feel that he stretched the contrast a touch too far and lost the sublety in the midtone gradients. I would have rather seen the outer levels stretched and the midtones kept more intact. This would have provided the "boundaries" yet kept the moodiness in the photo. >> > For my purposes, I wasn't trying to retain the moody nature of the > original. However, once you mentioned it, I tried that in Version 1. > Version 2 is similar to my original, but with gentler midtones. Version > 3 is my original, "West Coast" version. > >> But this is just my opinion. >> > I've worked very little with B&W in the last several decades, whereas > you are quite expert at it. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1759 - Release Date: 10/31/2008 4:10 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 13:14:46 2008 Received: (qmail 12243 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 12:14:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 12:14:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DEB1C3A0E; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:14:34 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:14:34 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9937AC3763 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:14:33 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 31232 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2008 12:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 12:14:33 -0000 Message-ID: <490C4828.3050400@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:14:32 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Remote flash: was It is now official ... References: <8CB09015865ECC2-7D8-F9D@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> <490A4E75.8090702@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030211330.011412f0@zuik.net> <490AE8B4.2070207@chucknorcutt.com> <490B2664.9040709@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031161224.022b7ae0@zuik.net> <490B7B36.2020803@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081101015140.0228c5a0@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081101015140.0228c5a0@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 13:14:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c4836228021470116606 If you're talking about "bees" in the name of "Alien Bees" that name was in use long before the company ever produced any sort of radio slave. The primary product is low cost studio flash units. The owner/designer if Paul Buff who also runs a higher cost studio flash unit company called "White Lightning". White Lightning flash units are very similar to Alien Bee units but are more robustly built. The radio slaves are a recent addition to the product line and are designed and built by Buff. They follow a radio slave product failure (unreliable operation) where the design and manufacture was from a Chinese source. This link gets you either place Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > Those rights belong to the trust that funded the company. But I know > how to do a lot of stuff anyway, without going into that IP. > > The fact they have "bees" in their name implies they may be > Zigbee based. I've seen a lot of companies play off the bee > in the naming. Like BeeKit (Freescale), XBee, ... > > Depending on the quality of the MAC software layers of the ZigBee stack > it is possible to get 0-4mS delay window, for a very dedicated system, but > if used as a relay, that will increase the hops and double the delay. > > The packet size can be as much as 128 byte payload, a chunk of which > is network layer, leaving about 100 bytes payload. The raw baudrate > is around 250K, 200k after network, but the delay is packet based and > have an return acknowledge. > > The systems can be clock synced to a higher precision, but events still > have to propagate and still based on packet delay. The system can > pre-schedule an synchronized event that could be high precision. > > I could be totally wrong, and there are other radio systems that might work > better, but these are low cost and a lot of the networking stuff has been > worked out. Just search on ZigBee. > > There can be problems with single event reliability with interference > from wifi or other 2.4GHz sources. > > I would be curious to know what radio technology they do use. The ideal > situation is if the radio unit attached to the camera controlled when the > shutter actually gets released, then it could schedule the event very precisely. > > WayneS > > > At 08:20 PM 10/31/2008, you wrote: > >> Wayne wrote: >>> I was keying off the fact it was 16 channels, which implies an 802.15.4 >>> radio. That radio is packet based and the fastest asynchronous packet >>> is about 4mSec, worst case, 8 mSec. 4mS = 1/250. I know, I have >>> scope traces to show it. >> >> You wouldn't, by chance happen to "own" any of the intellectual rights to >> the blood, sweat and tears of the past two years, would you? >> >> AG >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1759 - Release Date: 10/31/2008 4:10 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 14:03:17 2008 Received: (qmail 24351 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 13:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 13:03:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F69C4769; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:03:00 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:03:00 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0B3C54E4 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:59:22 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 20201 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2008 12:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 12:59:21 -0000 Message-ID: <490C52A9.6010101@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:59:21 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots References: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> <898D698D-93AD-47CB-A716-5EE6A019176B@mailcan.com> In-Reply-To: <898D698D-93AD-47CB-A716-5EE6A019176B@mailcan.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 14:03:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c5395114221234514069 I agree. B is the Portra scan and A is from the E-510 and 14-54. Ignoring Nathan's practical comments about which picture the mothers will prefer and dealing only with technical image quality issues: A is to be preferred for sharpness and saturation. I think B is undersaturated relative to the original scene but nevertheless probably closer to the original... which is what Portra NC attempts to do. A (the 14-54) still shows some distortion not shown by the 50mm Mamiya (see image A at 100%, shape of the heads of the group of children in the foreground). The 50mm did a better job in that respect but PTLens could probably improve the 14-54 shot with a proper profile. B is not only undersaturated but under sharpened. The image improves considerably after applying some LCE and more sharpening. I think the Portra shot could be made to at least equal the 510 shot (if not surpass it) with an improved scan (on the same scanner) and post processing. But it does make you wonder why one would haul around an RB-67 and go to all this labor and expense when (for modest size prints at least) one gets a very good result nearly straight out of the 510 and at far lower cost. Chuck Norcutt James R wrote: > B is definitely the scan - the colours are a bit off, especially the > reds, and it reminds me of how frustrating scanning is. Does Vuescan > still have all those weird film types and none of the ones that you > might actually use? > > A looks better but, ignoring the limited attention of the subjects, I > wonder if the same would be true if you looked at a print from the neg? > > James > > On 1 Nov 2008, at 05:13, Wayne Harridge wrote: > >> >> http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-a.jpg >> >> http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-b.jpg >> >> >> One of these images: >> >> Olympus E-510, 14-42mm @14mm, ISO 400, 1/125, f8 >> >> the other: >> >> Mamiya RB-67 Pro-S, 50mm, Portra 400NC, 1/125, f8, scanned (vuescan) >> @2400dpi on Epson V700, some adjustment to colour balance & contrast. >> >> Both images had perspective correction as I was shooting from the >> top of a >> 2m step ladder, cropping, resize to 2400 wide and same basic >> sharpening >> before uploading to the site. >> >> Ok, so which image is E-510 ? >> Which one do you prefer ? (whatever your criteria happens to be) >> Why ? >> >> ...Wayne >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1759 - Release Date: 10/31/2008 4:10 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 14:31:27 2008 Received: (qmail 31078 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 13:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 13:31:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC5AC40D7; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:31:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:31:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F531C5899 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:21:07 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 30391 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2008 13:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 13:21:06 -0000 Message-ID: <490C57C2.6030306@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:21:06 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots References: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> <898D698D-93AD-47CB-A716-5EE6A019176B@mailcan.com> <490C52A9.6010101@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <490C52A9.6010101@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 14:31:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c5a2f46082336821329 That should have said: (see image A at 100%, THE shape of the heads of the group of children in the foreground AT LEFT) Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I agree. B is the Portra scan and A is from the E-510 and 14-54. > Ignoring Nathan's practical comments about which picture the mothers > will prefer and dealing only with technical image quality issues: > A is to be preferred for sharpness and saturation. I think B is > undersaturated relative to the original scene but nevertheless probably > closer to the original... which is what Portra NC attempts to do. A > (the 14-54) still shows some distortion not shown by the 50mm Mamiya > (see image A at 100%, shape of the heads of the group of children in the > foreground). The 50mm did a better job in that respect but PTLens could > probably improve the 14-54 shot with a proper profile. B is not only > undersaturated but under sharpened. The image improves considerably > after applying some LCE and more sharpening. I think the Portra shot > could be made to at least equal the 510 shot (if not surpass it) with an > improved scan (on the same scanner) and post processing. > > But it does make you wonder why one would haul around an RB-67 and go to > all this labor and expense when (for modest size prints at least) one > gets a very good result nearly straight out of the 510 and at far lower > cost. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > James R wrote: >> B is definitely the scan - the colours are a bit off, especially the >> reds, and it reminds me of how frustrating scanning is. Does Vuescan >> still have all those weird film types and none of the ones that you >> might actually use? >> >> A looks better but, ignoring the limited attention of the subjects, I >> wonder if the same would be true if you looked at a print from the neg? >> >> James >> >> On 1 Nov 2008, at 05:13, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> >>> http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-a.jpg >>> >>> http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-b.jpg >>> >>> >>> One of these images: >>> >>> Olympus E-510, 14-42mm @14mm, ISO 400, 1/125, f8 >>> >>> the other: >>> >>> Mamiya RB-67 Pro-S, 50mm, Portra 400NC, 1/125, f8, scanned (vuescan) >>> @2400dpi on Epson V700, some adjustment to colour balance & contrast. >>> >>> Both images had perspective correction as I was shooting from the >>> top of a >>> 2m step ladder, cropping, resize to 2400 wide and same basic >>> sharpening >>> before uploading to the site. >>> >>> Ok, so which image is E-510 ? >>> Which one do you prefer ? (whatever your criteria happens to be) >>> Why ? >>> >>> ...Wayne >>> >>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1759 - Release Date: 10/31/2008 4:10 PM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 9:36 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 14:45:40 2008 Received: (qmail 10542 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 13:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 13:45:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4F0C2CB0; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:45:28 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:45:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A93AC2BE6 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:45:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mA1DjJrp022618 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:45:19 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: References: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:45:10 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ch_photo@accura.com.hk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 14:45:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c5d84218861234514069 I also think "a" is from E-510. "a" is sharper and having more pleasing color. "b" looks soft and color off, I did an auto color adjustment in PS and it looks better (to me eyes). The black clipping is not so nice, I'm also using Vuescan for negative, I prefer more room for both highlight and shadow. BTW, I don't use film profile, basic color adjustment is starting with black point and white point. For the mid-tone I use curve tool with grey point or human face. I'm processing a film scanning order from local Hospital Authority with 10K negatives and slides, together with my thousands negatives and slides, I will have some busy months. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" > > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-a.jpg > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-b.jpg > > > One of these images: > > Olympus E-510, 14-42mm @14mm, ISO 400, 1/125, f8 > > the other: > > Mamiya RB-67 Pro-S, 50mm, Portra 400NC, 1/125, f8, scanned (vuescan) > @2400dpi on Epson V700, some adjustment to colour balance & contrast. > > Both images had perspective correction as I was shooting from the top of a > 2m step ladder, cropping, resize to 2400 wide and same basic sharpening > before uploading to the site. > > Ok, so which image is E-510 ? > Which one do you prefer ? (whatever your criteria happens to be) > Why ? > > ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 15:18:36 2008 Received: (qmail 5987 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 14:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 14:18:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A995C3B05; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:18:20 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:18:20 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C26BC4968 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:10:36 +0100 (CET) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i50so1378882rne.11 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:10:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=VxaCealK2+kQ3b1JyAGd4/QAWJcLAzNDvjs7/LaDp4M=; b=kYwR/7sE7nhfrBRfS8aPkXBGlAmVWFNTnKBTfjm0iLcYS5YLyOmDvHx+G65ahYg1ZY SOyVfg0Uca2wKo7hGqh+NSq6nGJinQtZM9zTsmX53sCIPvyTtgtf0dQncu64iIsaTwGF gQAPsqa76HoGU+L64M+aroWa6dLwwW2bDohXA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=MIDZKmDH/xtHvymlRbaJotHfiUtDR5RTkA5KaJQAT+f7ujcZTLdu/8Juh5112Co4gq B8bZosdkhB4y9z4HQMhyptRQQU/f9QV3c20QmZ3+dPgUJPKIOM9c7jiE6BebY1tS01FF v4KSFfCpMIgKCweq6FnhDnICsFRqxBG3zDc7I= Received: by 10.90.50.5 with SMTP id x5mr10427808agx.92.1225548634779; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.36.11 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:10:34 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots In-Reply-To: <490C57C2.6030306@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> <898D698D-93AD-47CB-A716-5EE6A019176B@mailcan.com> <490C52A9.6010101@chucknorcutt.com> <490C57C2.6030306@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c28b58909026999d X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 15:18:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c653c226541234514069 I'm agreeing with Chuck, here. Group B illustrates several film "problems". Number one issue that I see is a narrow Dmax scan which forced noise in the shadows to increase too greatly. It looks like the scanner was underexposing and Vuescan's curves adjustment (most likely auto) was correcting things so much you didn't see where the actual scan exposure was actually at. We must remember that a digital scanner is a digital camera with the same requirements and limitations in exposure that any digital camera has. The second thing I noticed was an incorrect adjustment for the film base. When scanning negative color films, one must not just go for balancing the mid-tones, but also balance for a different gamma across the entire spectrum. Some scanner software does this better than others and I've pulled much hair out (I have plenty more) attempting to get good scans from color negs with Vuescan. This is one area where the Nikon Scan software does a phenominal job and saves me much grief. The third thing that jumped out at me is the yellow cast in Group B. This may be totally related to my second observation, but it could also be due to the notorious yellowing of the old Mamiya lenses. I noticed that this was an RB67 shot, but you did not reveal the vintage of the lens. (or maybe you did, and I just don't know my model descriptions well enough. From experience with my classic silver-nosed Zuikos, this yellowing does actually affect the reds and not necessarily in a positive way. Through minimal adjustments I can get Group B to mimick Group A, but the noise in Groub B is outrageous. I come back around to a bad scan. What you are seeing is NOT grain, but noise. A 2400dpi scan of Portra 400NC is not going to have enough grain to be an issue--especially in a downsized image. I also question the focus accuracy of the scanner. This reminds me of scans I got with my old Coolscan II. Of course, Wayne could be yanking our chain. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 15:21:06 2008 Received: (qmail 28837 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 14:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 14:21:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5616AC290F; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:20:48 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:20:48 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A909C400F for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:20:18 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 6369 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2008 14:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 14:20:15 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081101090629.0110a618@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 10:20:10 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: Remote flash: was It is now official ... In-Reply-To: <490C4828.3050400@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CB09015865ECC2-7D8-F9D@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> <490A4E75.8090702@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030211330.011412f0@zuik.net> <490AE8B4.2070207@chucknorcutt.com> <490B2664.9040709@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031161224.022b7ae0@zuik.net> <490B7B36.2020803@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081101015140.0228c5a0@zuik.net> <490C4828.3050400@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 15:21:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c65d2257211342116753 At 08:14 AM 11/1/2008, you wrote: >If you're talking about "bees" in the name of "Alien Bees" that name was >in use long before the company ever produced any sort of radio slave. >The primary product is low cost studio flash units. The owner/designer >if Paul Buff who also runs a higher cost studio flash unit company >called "White Lightning". White Lightning flash units are very similar >to Alien Bee units but are more robustly built. The radio slaves are a >recent addition to the product line and are designed and built by Buff. > They follow a radio slave product failure (unreliable operation) where >the design and manufacture was from a Chinese source. > >This link gets you either place > I could be totally wrong about the technology. I was assuming it might be a ZigBee based system since the Alien Bee brochure says 16 channel frequencies, which exactly matches an 802.15.4 2.4GHz radio. ZigBee OEM modules are cheap, such as the Panasonic modules: http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/components/modules/mod_rfm.htm which are a Freescale radio, and can run the same code base supplied by Freescale. Some radios have LNA to increase the range, such as the XBee pro. I have written my own code for both of these modules. These http://www.rfm.com/products/oem_standalone.shtml modules are based on TI radios for ZigBee. The SmartMesh XD are based on Dust radios, which we were using in our startup for industrial wireless control. The Dust XD is time synchronized channel hopping versions, but are not fast event propagation. The delay of 1/4000, or 250uS seems fast and does not match what a typical 802.15.4 radio would do, plus he said the number came before testing, and maybe assumed the 250K baudrate, rather than understanding the packet rate. The Freescale radio software has a bug which limits resolution to 4-8msec uncertainty. If that were fixed, I might be able to get 2mSec delay for a short packet of 10-40 bytes. I'm not as familiar with the TI radio software. I spent some time finding the fastest response for these radio systems. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 15:33:17 2008 Received: (qmail 32565 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 14:33:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 14:33:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B4AC2C3B; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:33:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:33:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BDEC2B4E for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:33:05 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 32426 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2008 14:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 14:33:04 -0000 Message-ID: <490C68A0.6060408@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 10:33:04 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots References: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 15:33:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c68ad28301702588592 For some reason I thought you had stopped your scanning business. But good for you. Glad to hear from you and also to hear you are busy. In declining economies busy is good. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > I also think "a" is from E-510. "a" is sharper and having more pleasing > color. > > "b" looks soft and color off, I did an auto color adjustment in PS and it > looks better (to me eyes). The black clipping is not so nice, I'm also using > Vuescan for negative, I prefer more room for both highlight and shadow. > > BTW, I don't use film profile, basic color adjustment is starting with black > point and white point. For the mid-tone I use curve tool with grey point or > human face. > > I'm processing a film scanning order from local Hospital Authority with 10K > negatives and slides, together with my thousands negatives and slides, I > will have some busy months. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Harridge" > >> >> http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-a.jpg >> >> http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-b.jpg >> >> >> One of these images: >> >> Olympus E-510, 14-42mm @14mm, ISO 400, 1/125, f8 >> >> the other: >> >> Mamiya RB-67 Pro-S, 50mm, Portra 400NC, 1/125, f8, scanned (vuescan) >> @2400dpi on Epson V700, some adjustment to colour balance & contrast. >> >> Both images had perspective correction as I was shooting from the top of a >> 2m step ladder, cropping, resize to 2400 wide and same basic sharpening >> before uploading to the site. >> >> Ok, so which image is E-510 ? >> Which one do you prefer ? (whatever your criteria happens to be) >> Why ? >> >> ...Wayne > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 9:36 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 15:39:06 2008 Received: (qmail 32655 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 14:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 14:39:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFFAC2A95; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:38:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:38:54 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B5EC2C11 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:38:53 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 17458 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2008 14:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 14:38:51 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081101103658.01192678@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 10:38:50 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: focus blend CS4 In-Reply-To: <490BFD43.4010809@gmail.com> References: <733A6D3E980F4B4CB75D6D2213C1C0CF@jimnichols> <4907DF12.8060406@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081029212924.011c19a8@zuik.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20081029232340.031ad060@zuik.net> <490B5788.7010507@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081101021842.022d4768@zuik.net> <490BFD43.4010809@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 15:39:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c6a0a167237927319144 I was thinking of the book: "The Drunkard's Walk: How Randomness Rules Our Lives " At 02:54 AM 11/1/2008, Moose wrote: >WayneS wrote: >> Randomness rules the world. >I wasn't complaining. Without the randomness, things would get boring. I >was just pointing out why my interest has so far been small. One day >some project will likely get me playing with it. Wayne S ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 16:05:38 2008 Received: (qmail 26239 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 15:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 15:05:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBED4C33C9; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:05:25 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:05:25 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA73C28DA for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:05:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mA1F5IA6004958 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:05:18 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <43C91E31CD8E4E98B9185962D99290BE@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: References: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> <490C68A0.6060408@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:05:15 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ch_photo@accura.com.hk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 16:05:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c7041258058512572685 Actually, we receive little order during these years, slide output was our main business (part time home business) ten years ago but digital camera was growing too fast. We only received a few scanning and image touch up orders in recent years so this was just for fun. The declining economies really gives a big impact to us. being just retired last year I have put all our saving on the stock market, expecting the interest and the growth of the company can support our retirement life but now we lost over 50% of our investment. I'm ok with that as I expect the situation will be back to normal in no more than 3 years but my wife was a little upset and blame me for the early retirement. I have no idea how the Hospital Authority found us but the order really helps, at least my wife have some extra to spend :-) I'm still scanning the list regularly although not reading all the posts. Most of my time are spending on the stock market and analyzing the company performance and there is not much new trigger (new camera gears and photo events) for me to write. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > For some reason I thought you had stopped your scanning business. But > good for you. Glad to hear from you and also to hear you are busy. In > declining economies busy is good. > > Chuck Norcutt > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> I also think "a" is from E-510. "a" is sharper and having more pleasing >> color. >> >> "b" looks soft and color off, I did an auto color adjustment in PS and it >> looks better (to me eyes). The black clipping is not so nice, I'm also >> using >> Vuescan for negative, I prefer more room for both highlight and shadow. >> >> BTW, I don't use film profile, basic color adjustment is starting with >> black >> point and white point. For the mid-tone I use curve tool with grey point >> or >> human face. >> >> I'm processing a film scanning order from local Hospital Authority with >> 10K >> negatives and slides, together with my thousands negatives and slides, I >> will have some busy months. >> >> C.H.Ling ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 18:51:10 2008 Received: (qmail 28415 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 17:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 17:51:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACF1C4599; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:50:44 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:50:44 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F42C4050 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:47:50 +0100 (CET) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so654309yxj.89 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 10:47:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=NdrYIU+mh+KgTe15/FTFjmR5iV5blt4Ij6x/Vg6NYeE=; b=R639dJtiwBwGVfq7MtnJG/WMj+4vQvcDGPB6GPMahpnaVhraD3wfY7xADxzs9GBLOl ACvugSQ8eV3whHO3+ecf2p9w969eFYTgBXyJ3iFjb0mGditAYHH+IGYPSda+tbicEWJ/ TIl1gMuKcBcr5fn+qBJnQvf9Nq8BwHTu4bjBU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=mo0AGhv/il3oz7JjZ39mpZLpN5XRwel8EMgGazmGBBBWSoY9SRsFHYEwZ3+t3IsMgY gfrNdfVLQpNvOItTXxpWhCGurVCi03GWqJrm0yjCSRmQ8vvTiDhdtCN05xK0OEZugCAf 5OFZyIKW1T2K7JiGqHyduUddVeNBf+d5/Df9A= Received: by 10.151.50.11 with SMTP id c11mr23162728ybk.213.1225561669484; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 10:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.11.10 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <901b226d0811011047n254c2525w3853f19b4a626e6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:47:49 -0700 From: "\"J. Van Brimmer\"" Sender: jerry.vb@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots In-Reply-To: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <490BD1CE.7020003@gmail.com> <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8c991ddaf5fb56a7 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 18:51:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490c970d107341702588592 Well, before reading any of the other replies, here's my opinion. Photo "a" is the RB-67 shot Photo "b" is the E-510 shot Why? Photo "a" is obviously higher is resolution. Has greater color depth, although it seems to have a slight bluish cast. And the perspective is just more pleasing. Photo "b" seems to be overexposed somewhat, and is definitely softer. Just my $0.0002 -- om1md On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-a.jpg > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-b.jpg > > > One of these images: > > Olympus E-510, 14-42mm @14mm, ISO 400, 1/125, f8 > > the other: > > Mamiya RB-67 Pro-S, 50mm, Portra 400NC, 1/125, f8, scanned (vuescan) > @2400dpi on Epson V700, some adjustment to colour balance & contrast. > > Both images had perspective correction as I was shooting from the top of a > 2m step ladder, cropping, resize to 2400 wide and same basic sharpening > before uploading to the site. > > Ok, so which image is E-510 ? > Which one do you prefer ? (whatever your criteria happens to be) > Why ? > > ...Wayne > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 21:42:03 2008 Received: (qmail 31378 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 20:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 20:42:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F25CC4326; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:41:37 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:41:36 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [204.127.217.106]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E04C4705 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:37:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-133.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.133]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20081101203757H06004erpie>; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:37:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.133] Message-ID: <03f101c93c61$b77ce640$6501a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:37:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 21:42:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cbf1b278841499373980 Group-b is assuredly the film shot. I see dust spots on the gentlemans' face ( man in wheelchair, furthest right ). Depth of field also seems to suggest a larger format than a 4/3 sensor. Image looks soft, color off, and contrast a bit off probably due to scanner used. Plus everyone got impatient as you set the exposure up manually :) Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:13 AM Subject: [OM] Comparison shots > > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-a.jpg > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-b.jpg > > > One of these images: > > Olympus E-510, 14-42mm @14mm, ISO 400, 1/125, f8 > > the other: > > Mamiya RB-67 Pro-S, 50mm, Portra 400NC, 1/125, f8, scanned (vuescan) > @2400dpi on Epson V700, some adjustment to colour balance & contrast. > > Both images had perspective correction as I was shooting from the top of a > 2m step ladder, cropping, resize to 2400 wide and same basic sharpening > before uploading to the site. > > Ok, so which image is E-510 ? > Which one do you prefer ? 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Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:18:53 +0100 Message-ID: <490CC7BD.6010507@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:18:53 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <90C00899-A0E0-42DF-94E1-F3480A8C6659@people.net.au> <05EF680454C64A4A853FD7DAD4A97147@meo.dec.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031160750.022abdf8@zuik.net> <490B9708.30400@gmail.com> <40010F12-54E0-4965-A89A-4042CE99529E@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <40010F12-54E0-4965-A89A-4042CE99529E@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2008 21:18:53.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[714EFDB0:01C93C67] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 22:19:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cc7c9184197927319144 sorry if you get this twice Thought I should add mine to the list. http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/613944#407380463_X43fz-A-LB IanW ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 22:29:03 2008 Received: (qmail 21381 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 21:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 21:29:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A36BC308C; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:28:52 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:28:52 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0E5C2E96 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:28:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0115B461A3F for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:44:49 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <75DA5C65-A1F9-4314-B231-88E9FC642CEB@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <490CC7BD.6010507@yahoo.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:28:50 +0000 References: <90C00899-A0E0-42DF-94E1-F3480A8C6659@people.net.au> <05EF680454C64A4A853FD7DAD4A97147@meo.dec.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031160750.022abdf8@zuik.net> <490B9708.30400@gmail.com> <40010F12-54E0-4965-A89A-4042CE99529E@threeshoes.net> <490CC7BD.6010507@yahoo.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 22:29:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cca1f57591234514069 That looks quite untidy, Ian, but it still doesn't beat mine ... :-) Chris On 1 Nov 2008, at 21:18, swisspace wrote: > > sorry if you get this twice > > Thought I should add mine to the list. > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/613944#407380463_X43fz-A-LB ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 23:12:21 2008 Received: (qmail 18658 invoked by uid 0); 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(218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 22:11:18 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <75DA5C65-A1F9-4314-B231-88E9FC642CEB@threeshoes.net> References: <90C00899-A0E0-42DF-94E1-F3480A8C6659@people.net.au> <05EF680454C64A4A853FD7DAD4A97147@meo.dec.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031160750.022abdf8@zuik.net> <490B9708.30400@gmail.com> <40010F12-54E0-4965-A89A-4042CE99529E@threeshoes.net> <490CC7BD.6010507@yahoo.co.uk> <75DA5C65-A1F9-4314-B231-88E9FC642CEB@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <4F7C8EDE-2B02-4B47-BDBF-1123B1188B5F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:11:16 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 23:12:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cd44558421470116606 Told you it would get into a pissing contest! Now note that he has two beds in there and a submerged couch. Plus every possible surface has stuff dumped on it. That's a solid 9.5 performance. It needs an animal though... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 8:28 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > That looks quite untidy, Ian, but it still doesn't beat mine ... :-) > > Chris > > On 1 Nov 2008, at 21:18, swisspace wrote: > >> >> sorry if you get this twice >> >> Thought I should add mine to the list. >> >> http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/613944#407380463_X43fz-A-LB ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 23:12:34 2008 Received: (qmail 25036 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 22:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 22:12:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF75C2DC7; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:12:22 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:12:22 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail12.green.ch (mail12.green.ch [81.221.254.111]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C38C3EC8 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:11:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.8] ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:11:40 +0100 Message-ID: <490CD41D.8030804@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:11:41 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <90C00899-A0E0-42DF-94E1-F3480A8C6659@people.net.au> <05EF680454C64A4A853FD7DAD4A97147@meo.dec.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031160750.022abdf8@zuik.net> <490B9708.30400@gmail.com> <40010F12-54E0-4965-A89A-4042CE99529E@threeshoes.net> <490CC7BD.6010507@yahoo.co.uk> <75DA5C65-A1F9-4314-B231-88E9FC642CEB@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <75DA5C65-A1F9-4314-B231-88E9FC642CEB@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2008 22:11:40.0724 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0FF6F40:01C93C6E] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 23:12:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cd45284631257536491 Its amazing how tidy the 7-14 makes it look, fantastic lens;-) , BTW flash exposure comp was off, so I wonder if I have a fault - I will do a reset and see when I have a moment. IanW Chris Barker wrote: > That looks quite untidy, Ian, but it still doesn't beat mine ... :-) > > Chris > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 23:15:15 2008 Received: (qmail 3687 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 22:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 22:15:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724BCC39BF; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:15:01 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:15:01 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B780C3A76 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:14:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d220-238-0-23.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.0.23]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA1MEp7p010971 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:14:51 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:14:48 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack8KCL6V7jp3kqNQTCzA3NAz+ik/wARwFEg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 23:15:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cd4f346261470116606 > I'm processing a film scanning order from local Hospital > Authority with 10K > negatives and slides, together with my thousands negatives > and slides, I > will have some busy months. > So that explains why you've been so quiet on the list lately ! ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 23:19:43 2008 Received: (qmail 22405 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 22:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 22:19:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76544C3CB0; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:19:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:19:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37333C3C83 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:19:29 +0100 (CET) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so1455699fge.11 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:19:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YRRI7zZzXJLVEySoOkO2C6JnDHM+zMHIQQF9EHKeOv0=; b=lDYyrcerQTLrcOjPuPm+MY+/XngCL83yzwJUWj5gK2KbrQM+EG7u+7OJ2EeZf7vzrO cxq4JQpj5UW/R2Rf3iTnKgfwU27Wag6clKRTiHVrP1xaXvKZgrBYUgYGOTDIqtqMt7Ym nFhG73gq3cirrPbh0UkOMxN4wZ4Ow0vJYhpWk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bNmJp6wSM9An/fTS7YJeWmdbGIz+cxzuE+4H71YMENW8W62kkIEbacKk6qSpvm5+mM L5B8RJz2H4yBo0qOvJD2yulx43STq+hHZCnmqj+M9GHyrSjA4LRE18iiWJA1Qx5t1vBR kpq6PnjZFwEgghvnnbiXrz3lma0ESlE8CrwLA= Received: by 10.86.89.1 with SMTP id m1mr9553996fgb.66.1225577968507; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.8? (zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch [81.221.125.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d6sm6451725fga.2.2008.11.01.15.19.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <490CD5EF.1020807@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:19:27 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <90C00899-A0E0-42DF-94E1-F3480A8C6659@people.net.au> <05EF680454C64A4A853FD7DAD4A97147@meo.dec.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031160750.022abdf8@zuik.net> <490B9708.30400@gmail.com> <40010F12-54E0-4965-A89A-4042CE99529E@threeshoes.net> <490CC7BD.6010507@yahoo.co.uk> <75DA5C65-A1F9-4314-B231-88E9FC642CEB@threeshoes.net> <4F7C8EDE-2B02-4B47-BDBF-1123B1188B5F@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <4F7C8EDE-2B02-4B47-BDBF-1123B1188B5F@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 23:19:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cd5ff132891529615919 sfunny we were discussing getting a JRT or other terrier last week but think we have enough to do at moment - no cats as I am allergic, maybe I will get an aquarium again. Andrew Fildes wrote: > Told you it would get into a pissing contest! > Now note that he has two beds in there and a submerged couch. Plus > every possible surface has stuff dumped on it. That's a solid 9.5 > performance. > It needs an animal though... > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/11/2008, at 8:28 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > > >> That looks quite untidy, Ian, but it still doesn't beat mine ... :-) >> >> Chris >> >> On 1 Nov 2008, at 21:18, swisspace wrote: >> >> >>> sorry if you get this twice >>> >>> Thought I should add mine to the list. >>> >>> http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/613944#407380463_X43fz-A-LB >>> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 23:23:21 2008 Received: (qmail 24460 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 22:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 22:23:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A768EC4010; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:23:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:23:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1107AC341F for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:21:37 +0100 (CET) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so1456236fge.11 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:21:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/4seN31kkA4A5TbT5M/0XKyZ3id7OzS06y031ZL3YoA=; b=rzXAE6fpga2t9wNAHpgZ4kiPqEFkRJs50TEyncIVG9oEoExb44FFeCc6RoboIGfqDe rE5bOw1KupwrKkSWbTPUrNoAWmVPKdTivbAVREXzPlE4XlpoAJxrUMeiWrKGIUvfOZ6R EnkLcw0f9uz2EkC/Mnbss7FlyFNXxeBaQ/pvQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RJXWOL8hsC3mQtecUZC0NXP7PxO9asUp+pEHipJ7/Zc4FpBtEDCCdVZ8N2ud6t9wd/ CmP0dyKGrAMY0wtrUTxIwb14TvwUwm2A98GEO99mKqHYxmlA6IgMCz9vGVDgNm2JXk4i EjS3N070UuQAjKG6KBQFK/GKEXFf0KwwCXksI= Received: by 10.86.53.8 with SMTP id b8mr4867521fga.58.1225578096950; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.8? (zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch [81.221.125.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d4sm6722269fga.5.2008.11.01.15.21.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <490CD66F.2030905@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:21:35 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots References: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> <03f101c93c61$b77ce640$6501a8c0@hpd220> In-Reply-To: <03f101c93c61$b77ce640$6501a8c0@hpd220> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 23:23:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cd6d9174402336821329 my guess is a is 510 shot and taken first IanW ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 23:28:52 2008 Received: (qmail 12731 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 22:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 22:28:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6B9C3F2F; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:28:38 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:28:38 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [207.115.11.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184C3C3878 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:28:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-133.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.133]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20081101222836H0200lqi80e>; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:28:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.133] Message-ID: <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:28:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 23:28:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cd823201934673671140 Sorry folks, I believe I have you all beat.... http://www.bobdocherty.com/Slob.jpg Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > Mess? - here's mine. There's a Wacom tablet under there somewhere - I > think. > http://www.pbase.com/image/105268441/large > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 31/10/2008, at 7:37 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> >> Just a snapshot of my "kingdom", the only room in the house where >> SWMBO permits me to have my kind of mess. This is the place from which >> I post the vast majority of my pictures: >> >> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#406123756_Yoohs-O-LB > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 23:40:33 2008 Received: (qmail 24573 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 22:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 22:40:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FCBC3EB1; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:40:20 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:40:20 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 41AEBC3476 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:40:18 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 1338 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2008 22:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 22:40:16 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490CD5EF.1020807@gmail.com> References: <90C00899-A0E0-42DF-94E1-F3480A8C6659@people.net.au> <05EF680454C64A4A853FD7DAD4A97147@meo.dec.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031160750.022abdf8@zuik.net> <490B9708.30400@gmail.com> <40010F12-54E0-4965-A89A-4042CE99529E@threeshoes.net> <490CC7BD.6010507@yahoo.co.uk> <75DA5C65-A1F9-4314-B231-88E9FC642CEB@threeshoes.net> <4F7C8EDE-2B02-4B47-BDBF-1123B1188B5F@people.net.au> <490CD5EF.1020807@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:40:14 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 23:40:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cdae1313797927319144 Polly is the second terrier I've had (had a Welsh some years ago). Note that they are not an easy dog - very demanding and energetic and they use up a lot of your time. Not a toy or lapdog - a working dog (chase something and kill it...) They are one of the most frequently abandoned dogs or hand-ins at the RSPCA and shelters because they are like living with a hyperactive 3 year old child. If you have the slightest reservation, don't. They will chew just about anything, pick a fight with anything, attract women, bite people (playfully), dig about, yap at everything, chase off birds (the cockatoos regard her with contemptuous amusement), jump on tables, regard commands with detached puzzlement, eat nasty things like cat poo, resist house training, display persistence to the point of an OCD, demand that you get up at dawn, hide down your bed, shed short white hairs over everything, hurl herself at closed doors until they open or you give in, over and over and over, chew on your toes in the middle of the night for comfort, hurtle around for the hell of it, hunt rats, irritate the neighbors, destroy the seat covers in the car if bored... Not a contract to be entered into lightly. Great for energetic children and as a farm dog or truck dog. Wouldn't be without her. :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 9:19 AM, swisspace wrote: > sfunny we were discussing getting a JRT or other terrier last week but > think we have enough to do at moment - no cats as I am allergic, > maybe I > will get an aquarium again. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 23:47:36 2008 Received: (qmail 3266 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 22:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 22:47:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BBCC28C2; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:47:25 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:47:25 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 549FBC2CFB for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:47:24 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 3152 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2008 22:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 22:47:22 -0000 In-Reply-To: <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:47:20 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 23:47:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cdc88102942046811720 Now that's getting close to absolute zero. Is that a Rollei 35 on top of the 'pooter? For some reason I suddenly recalled Walt's habit of theft proofing his car by strewing garbage around the interior... We really need to set up a site for this - entitled 'My Workspace' or something similar. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 9:28 AM, Bob Docherty wrote: > Sorry folks, > I believe I have you all beat.... > > http://www.bobdocherty.com/Slob.jpg ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 1 23:58:55 2008 Received: (qmail 19390 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 22:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 22:58:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45067C3F07; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:58:44 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:58:44 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [204.127.217.103]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F4DC3315 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:58:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-133.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.133]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20081101225841H0300733pse>; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:58:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.133] Message-ID: <04d101c93c75$60f37d20$6501a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:58:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 1 23:58:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cdf2f27902070262475 Andrew Heck, I can't even find anything! I pity the poor burglars... My gun is under something in here. I don't think I could find it quick enough to Walterize anyone... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:47 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > Now that's getting close to absolute zero. > Is that a Rollei 35 on top of the 'pooter? > For some reason I suddenly recalled Walt's habit of theft proofing > his car by strewing garbage around the interior... > > We really need to set up a site for this - entitled 'My Workspace' or > something similar. > Andrew Fildes ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 00:21:58 2008 Received: (qmail 26648 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 23:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 23:21:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF680C4595; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:21:26 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:21:26 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14375C45A8 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:21:20 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 26819 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2008 23:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2008 23:21:18 -0000 Message-ID: <490CE46E.9080204@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:21:18 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> In-Reply-To: <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 00:21:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490ce49646511823421471 It appears that you may have taken this shot in the buff. Good thing there are no mirrors around. :-) Chuck Norcutt Bob Docherty wrote: > Sorry folks, > I believe I have you all beat.... > > http://www.bobdocherty.com/Slob.jpg > > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Fildes" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:21 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > >> Mess? - here's mine. There's a Wacom tablet under there somewhere - I >> think. >> http://www.pbase.com/image/105268441/large >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 31/10/2008, at 7:37 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> >>> Just a snapshot of my "kingdom", the only room in the house where >>> SWMBO permits me to have my kind of mess. This is the place from which >>> I post the vast majority of my pictures: >>> >>> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#406123756_Yoohs-O-LB > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 9:36 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 00:49:25 2008 Received: (qmail 21620 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 23:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 23:49:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8996EC2A9E; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:49:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:49:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009F6C3457 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:49:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [204.210.85.179]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081101234912.YVEY26168.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:49:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <119922.95075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F2CC63A3CF3494994C5D70C64FF9F6F@hudson> <027701c93b4c$9b02b910$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> <490B7FB2.5000706@gmail.com> <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> <490BCF85.9010709@ctgonline.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <748CEDFB-0F69-4157-BBDD-73BB86CE774A@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: The film guys .... Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:49:11 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 00:49:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490ceb05286025368819438 On Nov 1, 2008, at 1:11 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > No, it's a yawning gulf - clever is sometimes stupid but true Stupid > goes right to the bone. Down under, are you familiar with the American comedic sage Ron White, who has a signature line, "You can't fix stupid!" ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 00:57:23 2008 Received: (qmail 916 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2008 23:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 23:57:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A9DC42F0; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:57:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:57:02 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463A9C278D for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:54:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [204.210.85.179]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081101235403.ODQE6605.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:54:03 +0000 In-Reply-To: <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <23F9B98A-B217-469C-9158-4212B6D2B82C@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:54:02 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 00:57:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cece344618512572685 I don't know if laundry qualifies as a mess in a studio, but the packing boxes are a really nice touch. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Nov 1, 2008, at 6:28 PM, Bob Docherty wrote: > Sorry folks, > I believe I have you all beat.... > > http://www.bobdocherty.com/Slob.jpg > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 01:29:43 2008 Received: (qmail 23582 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 00:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 00:29:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACE1C2FFC; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:29:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:29:30 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1D7C2B50 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:29:29 +0100 (CET) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u3so1002279tia.17 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:29:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OVf39NKdJSz1oK5ueQwMOBJ/5OAR4B3OqynoK9jf/bY=; b=Z5+gYNZ7dcvpPcqCZNFTnMuyjLspj9JsG8PpoSm6YuBZbqmvW4liKG17imI9x2MyGq rijcH38wxj5Lh+uxsoWDrUS6oPa38Rq8yCYJAJeCZcBkQU05rH64rhWRJQV3AvKQveeu A6S7+R1k9FDYDEYpsuAJoz1STsb2HsSXQCk0Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aU+8RcCHKiq1041HKkhgVf186OmQBR5tnEybNrsfiSFFK7X46WpfPRXGKtPp3cLoA8 MRtmwPdP8aFn1E7LsSaJb9nUDsNk1Y9rV3Q50nIgdpWbOKzdSFDDcHSIIcaUjTWxylgM VHKaLvg3YGxTXbpHsHTKvxAZT/tsJghtM1lTQ= Received: by 10.110.47.9 with SMTP id u9mr9830395tiu.42.1225585767472; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-189-181.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.189.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a14sm4973761tia.12.2008.11.01.17.29.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <490CF45D.7020107@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:29:17 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <90C00899-A0E0-42DF-94E1-F3480A8C6659@people.net.au> <05EF680454C64A4A853FD7DAD4A97147@meo.dec.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031160750.022abdf8@zuik.net> <490B9708.30400@gmail.com> <40010F12-54E0-4965-A89A-4042CE99529E@threeshoes.net> <490CC7BD.6010507@yahoo.co.uk> <75DA5C65-A1F9-4314-B231-88E9FC642CEB@threeshoes.net> <4F7C8EDE-2B02-4B47-BDBF-1123B1188B5F@people.net.au> <490CD5EF.1020807@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 01:29:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cf477180941702588592 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Polly is the second terrier I've had (had a Welsh some years ago). > Note that they are not an easy dog - very demanding and energetic and > they use up a lot of your time. ... ...and *smart* (though not in a Border Collie way). The late Monty's (Airedale Terrier) sire was an American dog, from a breeder who bred Airedale Terriers and Welshies. Now, Airedale Terriers are quite demanding, and energetic, but, as mentioned, this has been tempered slightly with some houndish blood, though that is also partially compensated for with their size (about 30kg - they're the biggest terriers). Most folks who visit us leave with the idea that our dogs are "a nice place to visit but you wouldn't want to live there". Anyway, to the point, which is that the American breeder would frequently get people coming to her saying that they wanted something "more manageable" than an Airedale, and so they thought they'd get the "miniature Airedale" - that is, the Welshie. Well, the breeder, being a lovely, sweet person, would struggle not to laugh hysterically, and would then suggest (if she thought it appropriate) that she could select from an Airedale litter a dog likely to be of an easier temperament than the Airedale average. Welshies had "fire" (as she put it), and "more manageable" (relative to the already independent-minded Airedale) was not a phrase she tended to use when describing them. It's funny, but I'm not surprised that a JRT and a Welshie have featured in your life, Andrew. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 01:54:54 2008 Received: (qmail 12216 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 00:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 00:54:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD07C36FF; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:54:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:54:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA2DC3874 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:54:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9O00JBBL75JHD0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:54:41 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-9-73.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.9.73]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:12:23 -0300 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:54:24 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Asus EeePC To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <78DEFC7DF2824C2E895FAF1C86D0D76C@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag8UALqXDEkYiglJ/2dsb2JhbACBcIgsvl4Hg0s X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,528,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="396450112" References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 01:54:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cfa5e194191073733319 Does anyone on the list own or use an Asus EeePC computer ? If so, an off list response would be very much appreciated. Thanks John Hudson ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 02:10:43 2008 Received: (qmail 14123 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 01:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 01:10:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549E0C2FB4; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:10:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:10:32 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490B9C27B2 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:10:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d220-238-0-23.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.0.23]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA21ASbM025800 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:10:29 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:10:27 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack8cThICUEUwH1GTDCss1QRPMunNgAFmxkg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 02:10:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490cfe13132941702588592 > > Sorry folks, > I believe I have you all beat.... > > http://www.bobdocherty.com/Slob.jpg > It looks like we've got enough shots on this "theme" for Olaf to put together an ad hoc TOPE page ! ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 02:30:46 2008 Received: (qmail 8626 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 01:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 01:30:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F6FC3540; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:30:35 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:30:35 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24703C362C for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:30:35 +0100 (CET) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so954517ele.8 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:30:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=KYMExGAquCyLvuh1wG221Nq1hK+kadwVSvTuyRl+N+w=; b=BABfmnMelEQvcLrXhdXCDhyUyT0gQcJff6wjE9sJMjqiZ0LogXE1sHHzJGimTfAYAu hrRRcHsEuIyoP8gTPSkXfJ82X4eLfTa+XCVkq7M6Do8K0Gro+aEY1oHEeaq12a73XV/6 w0k7oKngFYHaNTJaC/5XW8OjWgA4jwxQ35+rA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ZmjmPSq5wy37lbk999y2Z4PfduX/uhp09n9Q/sVSxJ8FPhf5IaK/rq9OaqaOvHjPB7 YIxOCFlfiToaoF72416OVPggAMO3QX58ZOE9qOIc4UbY5xr2h4UV3sohIA+1Ra01gBb1 NM5kqESyBkELCqE1Sau2x/1udBgz1RCJwT7Xo= Received: by 10.151.110.14 with SMTP id n14mr4721075ybm.245.1225589434227; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.11.10 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:30:34 -0700 From: "\"J. Van Brimmer\"" Sender: jerry.vb@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1001145cea1e8a99 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 02:30:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d02c6178058512572685 Nice, Bob! That's at least a 9.8. I judged you down because I can still a path to the chair. ;-) On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Bob Docherty wrote: > > Sorry folks, > I believe I have you all beat.... > > http://www.bobdocherty.com/Slob.jpg > > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Fildes" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:21 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > >> >> Mess? - here's mine. There's a Wacom tablet under there somewhere - I >> think. >> http://www.pbase.com/image/105268441/large >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 31/10/2008, at 7:37 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> >>> >>> Just a snapshot of my "kingdom", the only room in the house where >>> SWMBO permits me to have my kind of mess. This is the place from which >>> I post the vast majority of my pictures: >>> >>> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#406123756_Yoohs-O-LB >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 02:46:23 2008 Received: (qmail 18786 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 01:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 01:46:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60090C32F3; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:46:12 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:46:12 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4EFAC2BC1 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:46:11 +0100 (CET) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so690092ywt.89 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:46:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=DIDSjLENqal24IRCBcxy//OuGrrUjIBRHFM3YKwGvDc=; b=SOqCTfMKh6KesxYBrzsuBfuoMobSYjjrlRXu5obXcU++94P/HdTYWhXDTnoW4kA+Jw GxIJVtOiL632jeWVis4QUehq6PzofhGnOiMciGNVOag52hH/LH8Ve1eH8XA0OU6VvdXV qQAhp/7uM9YjoEB3DYmGwdy+3Q6prvFhgZC64= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=luP0tkIy4Lv3L0CT5tZTgm24pWNgC3rKyvgPZWupDZr3KrAMOvcqAH0uOiw/nPoasN Ra3DbxG2ot8I5KjNeZ67yaJ4D7Ghpl3cufN+iqbzFz8RduuMqeBBTD3XpyJXzeXbBmz5 PRSFSbTcOiauuoKGdwG81c1qu44To46rGj460= Received: by 10.150.11.6 with SMTP id 6mr23949029ybk.9.1225590371110; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.11.10 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:46:10 -0700 From: "\"J. Van Brimmer\"" Sender: jerry.vb@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c82ee379e13824ea X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 02:46:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d066f33591234514069 Okay, here's my space. I do have a furry seat cushion, but she's busy, off claiming another quarter of her castle at the moment. http://vanbrimmer.net/myspace/100_2526.JPG Isn't it amazing how the flash picks up all that clutter (Umm, treasure) that you forgot all about! :-) -- jv On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:30 PM, J. Van Brimmer wrote: > Nice, Bob! That's at least a 9.8. I judged you down because I can > still a path to the chair. ;-) > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Bob Docherty wrote: >> >> Sorry folks, >> I believe I have you all beat.... >> >> http://www.bobdocherty.com/Slob.jpg >> >> >> Bob >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Andrew Fildes" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:21 PM >> Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom >> >> >>> >>> Mess? - here's mine. There's a Wacom tablet under there somewhere - I >>> think. >>> http://www.pbase.com/image/105268441/large >>> Andrew Fildes >>> afildes@people.net.au >>> >>> >>> >>> On 31/10/2008, at 7:37 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Just a snapshot of my "kingdom", the only room in the house where >>>> SWMBO permits me to have my kind of mess. This is the place from which >>>> I post the vast majority of my pictures: >>>> >>>> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#406123756_Yoohs-O-LB >>> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 02:46:35 2008 Received: (qmail 16272 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 01:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 01:46:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98642C28EF; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:46:24 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:46:24 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C4FC3B4F for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:46:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d220-238-0-23.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.0.23]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA21k7o6012244 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:46:16 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:46:07 +1100 Message-ID: <670889E9D741448AB6B123B58E4DEC24@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <490CD66F.2030905@gmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack8cHOWcGmKsf26Qt6lwoTdtVYjXwAF/xew X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 02:46:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d067b145069117217770 Thanks for all your observations and comments on this one. Most of you got it right, group-a was shot with the E-510, group-b with the RB-67. By the way the E-510 shot was with the cheap kit 14-42 not the 14-54 ! Now a bit more info on the RB/50 shot, I checked the neg on the light box and it's not as sharp as I normally get with this combination but I normally have it on a tripod, I suspect it's not a DOF problem as it doesn't seem to be sharp anywhere in the frame so I guess it must be slight camera movement. I believe also that the V700 never produces a critically sharp scan anyhow with the supplied film holders (the 120/220 negs tend to sag under their own weight), wet mounting would probably fix that but life's too short. In post processing I bumped up the saturation and contrast of the film scan to get closer to the E-510 image, the original scan had a lot more shadow detail than the E-510, I presume that's due to the toe in the film characteristics. The film colour balance isn't right, I didn't spend any time on this, just selected a spot I thought should be grey for Paintshop Pro to do the colour balance, I'm not sure how much work would be required to get it closer to the E-510 result. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 02:49:51 2008 Received: (qmail 32100 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 01:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 01:49:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC10C3A19; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:49:40 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:49:40 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59D4C3B71 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:49:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.ccd.465167b8 (34899) for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-md17 (webmail-md17.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.135]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA018-8853490d06e394; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:48:19 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:48:20 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.135) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:48:20 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB0AA437C1B2D9-A14-21C@webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 02:49:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d073f190811529615919 Ahhh, A fellow expert practitioner in the art of Feng Shui. The CFO for some reason has taken to monitoring this thread. I believe that I am slipping off the hook. :-) Mike Sorry folks, I believe I have you all beat.... http://www.bobdocherty.com/Slob.jpg Bob ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 03:12:11 2008 Received: (qmail 15170 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 02:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 02:12:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A9FC3434; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 03:11:59 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 03:11:59 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B54C2F79 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 03:11:58 +0100 (CET) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so689989yxj.89 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:11:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=UtYHxMwPbn5oIsYuIbOwlDScQCc9sx4UXikFGbfcLH0=; b=pzKFtARbaNmInNCXwFdinMfD8tJyGBajxg3vhP5XZ7q96kGbHR76SDoQLGXhN5LHPa qCabwIBOcnTmkzL7UUW20CtmGW8delalgK8f/WQVhTH5Vq/aWrf/mZikhE8/D6OIPYQL g0SBeeoQioR4KysngfCRhx2aOs0YP19OS7gZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=bmIK9F6PEcJyxCJyKWFZkDFgkwxQiKcamP3wkHEadq2JIv11XDcHOCZHcsFpGqo81s +nChzgimmlVL04MBMpJZnhUc8hvBqP9yNkaD+ykNOa8G1sRlp9glsihmt13+4TOv8vw2 q2KYcL7ptLDLBT1b13mgfgCFxVkyQtjHjbJFs= Received: by 10.151.12.4 with SMTP id p4mr8845102ybi.126.1225591918277; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.11.10 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <901b226d0811011911m198acf91r2fdb37692feee83c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:11:58 -0700 From: "\"J. Van Brimmer\"" Sender: jerry.vb@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots In-Reply-To: <670889E9D741448AB6B123B58E4DEC24@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <490CD66F.2030905@gmail.com> <670889E9D741448AB6B123B58E4DEC24@meo.dec.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 70e9a274a6ad8de6 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 03:12:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d0c7b94538512572685 Well, I'm glad I was wrong! Makes my want an E-camera after all! I was going on the sheer visual impact of the images, rather that thinking thru what the process was to get the images to my monitor. Glad to be a student, that's why I'm here. :-) -- jv On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > > Thanks for all your observations and comments on this one. > > Most of you got it right, group-a was shot with the E-510, group-b with the > RB-67. By the way the E-510 shot was with the cheap kit 14-42 not the 14-54 > ! Now a bit more info on the RB/50 shot, I checked the neg on the light box > and it's not as sharp as I normally get with this combination but I normally > have it on a tripod, I suspect it's not a DOF problem as it doesn't seem to > be sharp anywhere in the frame so I guess it must be slight camera movement. > I believe also that the V700 never produces a critically sharp scan anyhow > with the supplied film holders (the 120/220 negs tend to sag under their own > weight), wet mounting would probably fix that but life's too short. In post > processing I bumped up the saturation and contrast of the film scan to get > closer to the E-510 image, the original scan had a lot more shadow detail > than the E-510, I presume that's due to the toe in the film characteristics. > The film colour balance isn't right, I didn't spend any time on this, just > selected a spot I thought should be grey for Paintshop Pro to do the colour > balance, I'm not sure how much work would be required to get it closer to > the E-510 result. > > ...Wayne > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 03:32:00 2008 Received: (qmail 11755 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 02:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 02:31:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E95C28F0; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 03:31:48 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 03:31:48 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3167C2F3C for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 03:31:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.cac.425988f2 (34995) for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-me01 (webmail-me01.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.193]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB018-88b3490d110f2cd; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:31:43 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:31:43 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by webmail-me01.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.193) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:31:43 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB0AAA476C060C-3DC-AC1@webmail-me01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 03:32:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d1120146737350615338 Well, if you really, really, really want a cat, there is at least 1 colony of transgenic cats where the major cat dander protein was cloned out. Last report I read reported that they seemed healthy enough. I hope they started with fibroblasts with nice long telomeres. http://www.felixpets.com/index_files/Page855.htm I think they were going to charge about what a pristine 3Ti costs. Perhaps you can rent one for your office shot. Mike (telomere length about half gone and obtained a cat at the Boston animal shelter) sfunny we were discussing getting a JRT or other terrier last week but think we have enough to do at moment - no cats as I am allergic, maybe I will get an aquarium again. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 03:50:50 2008 Received: (qmail 21078 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 02:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 02:50:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE52AC375B; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 03:50:38 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 03:50:38 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27AFC36F9 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 03:50:37 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 9261 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 02:50:36 -0000 Received: from dsl081-113-027.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) (stevegoss@[64.81.113.27]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Nov 2008 02:50:36 -0000 Message-ID: <490D1575.6010309@speakeasy.net> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:50:29 -0500 From: Steve & Alicia Goss User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: ****SPAM**** Comparison shots References: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: stevegoss@speakeasy.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 03:50:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d158a127271946193717 Wayne- Image "B" looks like scans I get from Kodachrome, So I'll say "A" is the 510. Not bad, considering you are using a "kit" lens. Thanks, Steve Goss, Dallas TX usa Wayne Harridge wrote: > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-a.jpg > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/group-b.jpg > > > One of these images: > > Olympus E-510, 14-42mm @14mm, ISO 400, 1/125, f8 > > the other: > > Mamiya RB-67 Pro-S, 50mm, Portra 400NC, 1/125, f8, scanned (vuescan) > @2400dpi on Epson V700, some adjustment to colour balance & contrast. > > Both images had perspective correction as I was shooting from the top of a > 2m step ladder, cropping, resize to 2400 wide and same basic sharpening > before uploading to the site. > > Ok, so which image is E-510 ? > Which one do you prefer ? (whatever your criteria happens to be) > Why ? > > ...Wayne > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 04:45:34 2008 Received: (qmail 8099 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 03:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 03:45:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555F3C437C; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 04:45:22 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:45:22 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 51430C28C2 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 04:45:20 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 18141 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 03:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 03:45:17 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <748CEDFB-0F69-4157-BBDD-73BB86CE774A@roadrunner.com> References: <119922.95075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F2CC63A3CF3494994C5D70C64FF9F6F@hudson> <027701c93b4c$9b02b910$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> <490B7FB2.5000706@gmail.com> <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> <490BCF85.9010709@ctgonline.org> <748CEDFB-0F69-4157-BBDD-73BB86CE774A@roadrunner.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <9D0F9904-BB29-49A4-8C6C-280ACFE1A4F1@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: The film guys .... Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:45:13 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 04:45:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d225e90782046811720 Nope. He got one o' them website thingies? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 10:49 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: >> No, it's a yawning gulf - clever is sometimes stupid but true Stupid >> goes right to the bone. > > Down under, are you familiar with the American comedic sage Ron > White, who has a signature line, "You can't fix stupid!" ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 04:46:54 2008 Received: (qmail 3551 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 03:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 03:46:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE7EC36F9; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 04:46:43 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:46:43 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-018.ctimail.com [61.93.57.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0188DC4588 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 04:46:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mA23kdWa028215 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:46:39 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mA23kdup028007 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:46:39 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <84B3117A38F24772A71682C640AE7832@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: References: <670889E9D741448AB6B123B58E4DEC24@meo.dec.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:46:01 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ch_photo@accura.com.hk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 04:46:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d22ae174281585427447 The details from the E-510 image is amazing! I just sold the 40D to prepare for the 5D MKII, at the mean time I may purchase a E-510 kit as the price for a used one is only around $320. Although my actual target is the Exx but just can't wait. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" > > Thanks for all your observations and comments on this one. > > Most of you got it right, group-a was shot with the E-510, group-b with > the > RB-67. By the way the E-510 shot was with the cheap kit 14-42 not the > 14-54 > ! Now a bit more info on the RB/50 shot, I checked the neg on the light > box > and it's not as sharp as I normally get with this combination but I > normally > have it on a tripod, I suspect it's not a DOF problem as it doesn't seem > to > be sharp anywhere in the frame so I guess it must be slight camera > movement. > I believe also that the V700 never produces a critically sharp scan anyhow > with the supplied film holders (the 120/220 negs tend to sag under their > own > weight), wet mounting would probably fix that but life's too short. In > post > processing I bumped up the saturation and contrast of the film scan to get > closer to the E-510 image, the original scan had a lot more shadow detail > than the E-510, I presume that's due to the toe in the film > characteristics. > The film colour balance isn't right, I didn't spend any time on this, just > selected a spot I thought should be grey for Paintshop Pro to do the > colour > balance, I'm not sure how much work would be required to get it closer to > the E-510 result. > > ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 04:50:20 2008 Received: (qmail 3391 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 03:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 03:50:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34375C2F4D; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 04:50:09 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:50:09 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 60821C459D for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 04:50:07 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 18400 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 03:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 03:50:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490CF45D.7020107@gmail.com> References: <90C00899-A0E0-42DF-94E1-F3480A8C6659@people.net.au> <05EF680454C64A4A853FD7DAD4A97147@meo.dec.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031160750.022abdf8@zuik.net> <490B9708.30400@gmail.com> <40010F12-54E0-4965-A89A-4042CE99529E@threeshoes.net> <490CC7BD.6010507@yahoo.co.uk> <75DA5C65-A1F9-4314-B231-88E9FC642CEB@threeshoes.net> <4F7C8EDE-2B02-4B47-BDBF-1123B1188B5F@people.net.au> <490CD5EF.1020807@gmail.com> <490CF45D.7020107@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <5F27202E-3373-4B1B-9CB6-2296D75C840B@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:50:02 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 04:50:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d237c187281838542571 That was the Welshie alright! I always had a soft spot for him (Evan) after he brought down my mother-in-law in the hallway - sat her down on the first fast pass and after a high speed U-turn up the wall at the end, knocked her flat on the second hit. Unfortunately he wasn't the type to go for the throat once he had her down. He met a glorious and heroic end, trying to kill a truck. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 11:29 AM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > Anyway, to the point, which is that the American breeder would > frequently get people coming to her saying that they wanted something > "more manageable" than an Airedale, and so they thought they'd get the > "miniature Airedale" - that is, the Welshie. Well, the breeder, > being a > lovely, sweet person, would struggle not to laugh hysterically, and > would then suggest (if she thought it appropriate) that she could > select > from an Airedale litter a dog likely to be of an easier temperament > than > the Airedale average. Welshies had "fire" (as she put it), and "more > manageable" (relative to the already independent-minded Airedale) was > not a phrase she tended to use when describing them. > > It's funny, but I'm not surprised that a JRT and a Welshie have > featured > in your life, Andrew. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 04:53:15 2008 Received: (qmail 14205 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 03:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 03:53:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F47C34AE; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 04:53:04 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:53:04 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3E5C3DF1 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 04:53:03 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 1582 invoked by uid 502); 2 Nov 2008 03:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.184.74) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2008 03:53:02 -0000 Message-ID: <490D2413.4060404@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:52:51 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Workspace Gallery [was Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom] References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 04:53:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d242b307231869477228 Here are all the "entires" so far in one place. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 04:55:19 2008 Received: (qmail 23422 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 03:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 03:55:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4192C4086; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 04:55:08 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:55:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5622EC3090 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 04:55:08 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 2314 invoked by uid 502); 2 Nov 2008 03:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.184.74) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2008 03:55:07 -0000 Message-ID: <490D2495.8080600@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:55:01 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: The film guys .... References: <119922.95075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F2CC63A3CF3494994C5D70C64FF9F6F@hudson> <027701c93b4c$9b02b910$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> <490B7FB2.5000706@gmail.com> <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> <490BCF85.9010709@ctgonline.org> <748CEDFB-0F69-4157-BBDD-73BB86CE774A@roadrunner.com> <9D0F9904-BB29-49A4-8C6C-280ACFE1A4F1@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <9D0F9904-BB29-49A4-8C6C-280ACFE1A4F1@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 04:55:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d24a7215001234514069 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Nope. He got one o' them website thingies? > Never heard of him, that I recall. But I can do a simple web search. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 05:02:21 2008 Received: (qmail 28490 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 04:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 04:02:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF75DC4349; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 05:02:09 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:02:09 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id ACD89C4017 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 05:02:05 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 20465 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 04:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 04:02:03 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:02:00 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 05:02:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d264d146601591313764 I thought so but I don't like volunteering good people for more work! However, it would give us all time to do some amusing set-ups (mine was a bit rushed and did not encompass the full enormity of the disaster. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 12:10 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > It looks like we've got enough shots on this "theme" for Olaf to put > together an ad hoc TOPE page ! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 05:05:52 2008 Received: (qmail 29317 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 04:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 04:05:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33517C44A5; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 05:05:41 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:05:41 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id AE9D2C43D4 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 05:05:39 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 22133 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 04:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 04:05:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:05:34 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 05:05:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d2720250117927319144 OK - good marks for the imaginative use of old furniture found by the roadside and for the delicate placement of film cameras but it is still a bit tidy, no? Almost no cabling for a start. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 12:46 PM, J. Van Brimmer wrote: > > Okay, here's my space. I do have a furry seat cushion, but she's busy, > off claiming another quarter of her castle at the moment. > > http://vanbrimmer.net/myspace/100_2526.JPG > > Isn't it amazing how the flash picks up all that clutter (Umm, > treasure) that you forgot all about! > > :-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 05:10:17 2008 Received: (qmail 1962 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 04:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 04:10:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94B7C2B0F; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 05:10:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:10:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 22A21C3EFA for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 05:10:05 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 22435 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 04:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 04:10:02 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CB0AAA476C060C-3DC-AC1@webmail-me01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB0AAA476C060C-3DC-AC1@webmail-me01.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <692718A8-4263-4E82-B568-8F302E92449D@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:10:00 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 05:10:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d2829191902046811720 Oh I love the invention of the word 'transfected' - sounds so much healthier than 'infected' does it not? Better than the other solution - those hairless things. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 1:31 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > Well, if you really, really, really want a cat, there is at least 1 > colony of transgenic cats where the major cat dander protein was > cloned > out. Last report I read reported that they seemed healthy enough. I > hope they started with fibroblasts with nice long telomeres. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 05:11:19 2008 Received: (qmail 10166 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 04:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 04:11:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E72C454B; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 05:11:08 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:11:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4867AC449A for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 05:11:07 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 22485 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 04:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 04:11:05 -0000 In-Reply-To: <84B3117A38F24772A71682C640AE7832@main> References: <670889E9D741448AB6B123B58E4DEC24@meo.dec.com> <84B3117A38F24772A71682C640AE7832@main> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <40E160F4-7511-4847-B922-C88E8A8EDEFD@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Comparison shots Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:11:02 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 05:11:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d2867263902046811720 Of course you can! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 2:46 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Although my actual target is the Exx but > just can't wait. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 05:17:00 2008 Received: (qmail 21896 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 04:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 04:16:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98391C4450; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 05:16:48 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:16:48 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B19CC32A0 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 05:16:47 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 23812 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 04:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 04:16:44 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490D2413.4060404@gmail.com> References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <490D2413.4060404@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Workspace Gallery [was Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom] Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:16:41 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 05:16:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d29bb81511946193717 Excellent. Well done! This is a more significant and revealing resource than mere self-portraits. I'll get one of my off-site workspace tomorrow! It's somewhat more unusual. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 2:52 PM, Moose wrote: > Here are all the "entires" so far in one place. > gallery=WorkSpace> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 06:06:42 2008 Received: (qmail 20208 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 05:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 05:06:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF02AC3B6D; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:06:22 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 06:06:22 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD65C4733 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:05:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZzzC1a0090x6nqcA855P7A; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:05:23 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([24.20.172.214]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id a55N1a0074du4sg8Y55N9q; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:05:23 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TDLmH_vbggAA:10 a=DWeIeEa1rtEA:10 a=1FtRK8N-AAAA:8 a=9Odv3yccZvjVs_mTXU4A:9 a=j57etyx55891wVAhmxZMVn1mpv0A:4 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:05:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pelaughlin@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 06:06:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d3562297201744846740 Here is my Lair. Including one of the two furry seat cushions that own this house. LOL There are some images of them in this same gallery. Paul in Portland OR ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 06:18:34 2008 Received: (qmail 11843 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 05:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 05:18:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7880C34EE; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:18:22 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 06:18:22 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AEE8C3630 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:18:22 +0100 (CET) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so699502yxj.89 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:18:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=BxQml9FwKteSv9nqWkmcVsDnjNDJtuYDIruYvLKjaoo=; b=hwH4Mj66VJGskWVgPCAMltPgTYhUD9obdWVJqGJKIDYuLEwuB74yPSl+uaMZNbQJk7 vI4p9D70KEDuIPHNSTK3h3meZRI6qJZDuktD5K9ISXNUALRa4HJ9M0KRXaZkkxpQThv2 K4E6e+N+fIU+KHA8lWVCjrjNtA0JPhLf8iCMw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=D0eZsMhc0uydss2c+GZXSkIrRQoQT4iOovvNF5TeYGIq+ixCAzK2o/BHzCd7XpfGBO /11PmM73CD+sZ4plniVIz6sAig2q8lMO7Mp4o8V2FLaOOn+8ENvdFLyhjMpcfxodHWzo R2rVslK+jrTjt4m4SR3TadpYVVhROj7aLfwxc= Received: by 10.150.144.9 with SMTP id r9mr5202570ybd.182.1225603101531; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.11.10 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <901b226d0811012218o28651bbeh7477b403c994d8f8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:18:21 -0700 From: "\"J. Van Brimmer\"" Sender: jerry.vb@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b6ed721c4337ccee X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 06:18:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d382a238961744846740 LOL!!! You did notice the old furniture! The desk on the left has a story. When my wife & I were homeschooling our children we bought a few excess desks from a local CC. We are long done homeschooling, so I used one of the desks for my "office". The desk on the right was given to me by my oldest daughter (she's now 37) when she upgraded her computer desk. I have been lusting for some new furniture, but this old stuff meets my needs for now. Yes, I'll admit, I did carefully place my OMs in the picture. (Oh, that hurt to admit.) Tidy? Well, the picture really doesn't show all of the little "treasures" scattered here and there. :-) Most of the cabling is hidden behind the desk on the right, as most of it goes from the monitor area to the right, to the big desktop case. -- jv On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > OK - good marks for the imaginative use of old furniture found by the > roadside and for the delicate placement of film cameras but it is > still a bit tidy, no? > Almost no cabling for a start. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/11/2008, at 12:46 PM, J. Van Brimmer wrote: > >> >> Okay, here's my space. I do have a furry seat cushion, but she's busy, >> off claiming another quarter of her castle at the moment. >> >> http://vanbrimmer.net/myspace/100_2526.JPG >> >> Isn't it amazing how the flash picks up all that clutter (Umm, >> treasure) that you forgot all about! >> >> :-) > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 07:24:44 2008 Received: (qmail 25752 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 06:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 06:24:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806FCC323B; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:24:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:24:32 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nschwmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com (nschwmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.189.143]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B18BC2EE6 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:24:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com ([121.217.49.136]) by nschwmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20081102062428.EOOT11562.nschwmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:24:28 +0000 Received: from Parents ([121.217.49.136]) by nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20081102062422.VDCD21966.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Parents> for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:24:22 +0000 From: "Terry and Tracey" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:24:16 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <48E615A4.1050407@verizon.net> Thread-Index: AcklVwfMEhnniKA6R6aqc/eWeGjp/QXXGE8g X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150203.490D4798.003F,ss=1,fgs=0 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olympus@foxcrofts.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 07:24:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d47ac251309117217770 I was never a Pentax fan either, but this is serious..... Foxy Ham and eggs. A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. -----Original Message----- That is so funny. At first I thought it was serious, then saw the sledge hammer. Nice action shot of the pulverized glass flying from the front. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Andrew Fildes wrote: > Here's the classic repair for a yellowed radioactive Pentax 50mm - > http://www.hermes.net.au/bayling/repair.html > > Some of the single-coated Zuikos had a golden look to the coating. > My 24/2 is elsewhere but I'll go check later - but it was one of the > pro-grade lenses that was always multi-coated in some form as far as > I remember. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/10/2008, at 12:07 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> By they way, a number of older Pentax and Canon lenses also suffer >> from yellowing due to "radioactive" thorium glass, cured through >> intense >> sunlight exposure for a couple of days. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 07:34:46 2008 Received: (qmail 12296 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 06:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 06:34:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A501FC3477; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:34:35 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:34:35 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C3AC33D9 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:34:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d220-238-0-23.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.0.23]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA26YVDN025077 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:34:32 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:34:30 +1100 Message-ID: <2B3796EF6C024310B1C5956B9E72CC6A@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcklVwfMEhnniKA6R6aqc/eWeGjp/QXXGE8gAABMwaA= X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 07:34:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d4a0612021470116606 > > Foxy > > Ham and eggs. A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime > commitment for a pig. > ...and we really appreciate that commitment. Geez, a long time since I've seen a posting from you Foxy ! What're you been doing ? ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 07:57:13 2008 Received: (qmail 18034 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 06:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 06:57:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9D1C34EA; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:56:58 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:56:58 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1BBC3F1A for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:54:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A79BC9C9F for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:12:21 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <78F64737-ABEE-4D28-8D59-8C23AB16B159@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <4F7C8EDE-2B02-4B47-BDBF-1123B1188B5F@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:54:15 +0000 References: <90C00899-A0E0-42DF-94E1-F3480A8C6659@people.net.au> <05EF680454C64A4A853FD7DAD4A97147@meo.dec.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031160750.022abdf8@zuik.net> <490B9708.30400@gmail.com> <40010F12-54E0-4965-A89A-4042CE99529E@threeshoes.net> <490CC7BD.6010507@yahoo.co.uk> <75DA5C65-A1F9-4314-B231-88E9FC642CEB@threeshoes.net> <4F7C8EDE-2B02-4B47-BDBF-1123B1188B5F@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 07:57:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d4f49160631234514069 Yebbut, he has nothing askew on the walls; nor does he have shelves gathering more dust with assorted stuff to prevent his dusting them :-) Chris On 1 Nov 2008, at 22:11, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Told you it would get into a pissing contest! > Now note that he has two beds in there and a submerged couch. Plus > every possible surface has stuff dumped on it. That's a solid 9.5 > performance. > It needs an animal though... > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/11/2008, at 8:28 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> That looks quite untidy, Ian, but it still doesn't beat mine ... :-) >> >> Chris >> >> On 1 Nov 2008, at 21:18, swisspace wrote: >> >>> >>> sorry if you get this twice >>> >>> Thought I should add mine to the list. >>> >>> http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/613944#407380463_X43fz-A- >>> LB > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 08:01:41 2008 Received: (qmail 15901 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 07:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 07:01:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9FDC36EA; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:01:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 08:01:30 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com (nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.189.149]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9C0C31C3 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:01:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com ([121.217.49.136]) by nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20081102070106.JHID1796.nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:01:06 +0000 Received: from Parents ([121.217.49.136]) by nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20081102070101.WIWI21966.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Parents> for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:01:01 +0000 From: "Terry and Tracey" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:01:04 +1100 Message-ID: <1F63CF57A8524576935C303C4D07AFBF@Parents> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <2B3796EF6C024310B1C5956B9E72CC6A@meo.dec.com> Thread-Index: AcklVwfMEhnniKA6R6aqc/eWeGjp/QXXGE8gAABMwaAAANZRIA== X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150205.490D502E.003F,ss=1,fgs=0 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olympus@foxcrofts.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 08:01:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d505531271946193717 Work and family and violin. We bought six acres in town and I've been clearing that. And family and work and violin. No Oly photos alas. All my photos lately have been quick snaps using a PHD camera (Push Here D**khead) for home and work. I miss taking the photos as I look as the digital results fully auto and want to adjust the aperture, change the flash, etc. My eldest is getting into photography and as I type I'm looking at the bag full of OM-1 gear and want to get out some more. I have to admit I don't read the list so much as scan it, but I am still here! Foxy Some people are like Slinkies. Not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Wayne Harridge Sent: Sunday, 2 November 2008 5:35 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC > > Foxy > > Ham and eggs. A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime > commitment for a pig. > ...and we really appreciate that commitment. Geez, a long time since I've seen a posting from you Foxy ! What're you been doing ? ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 08:04:40 2008 Received: (qmail 5617 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 07:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 07:04:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08952C3A16; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:04:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 08:04:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4FCC3924 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:04:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A73C9CA2 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:22:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <158BC54B-2DE4-440A-8BB9-A816A935C314@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <490D2495.8080600@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: The film guys .... Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:04:28 +0000 References: <119922.95075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F2CC63A3CF3494994C5D70C64FF9F6F@hudson> <027701c93b4c$9b02b910$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> <490B7FB2.5000706@gmail.com> <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> <490BCF85.9010709@ctgonline.org> <748CEDFB-0F69-4157-BBDD-73BB86CE774A@roadrunner.com> <9D0F9904-BB29-49A4-8C6C-280ACFE1A4F1@people.net.au> <490D2495.8080600@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 08:04:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d5108281721499373980 Thanks, Moose. The one with Jay Leno was v. funny, but I didn't understand the "heightened state of awareness" one; nor can I find anything useful with a Web search ... Chris On 2 Nov 2008, at 03:55, Moose wrote: > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Nope. He got one o' them website thingies? >> > Never heard of him, that I recall. But I can do a simple web search. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 08:07:38 2008 Received: (qmail 27990 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 07:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 07:07:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAF3C3091; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:07:27 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 08:07:27 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F85C3883 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:07:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37029C9CA0 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:25:32 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:07:26 +0000 References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 08:07:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d51ba185389117217770 Nice! And I bet you have a sore neck, judging by the relative heights of the chair, monitor and keyboard ... Chris On 2 Nov 2008, at 01:46, J. Van Brimmer wrote: > > Okay, here's my space. I do have a furry seat cushion, but she's busy, > off claiming another quarter of her castle at the moment. > > http://vanbrimmer.net/myspace/100_2526.JPG > > Isn't it amazing how the flash picks up all that clutter (Umm, > treasure) that you forgot all about! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 09:15:11 2008 Received: (qmail 22784 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 08:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 08:15:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10371C2F68; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:14:58 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:14:57 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BECC3333 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:11:40 +0100 (CET) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u3so1050102tia.17 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:11:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+XiLLIc8g3H2PBM9K/+jdaJgB0p4sSae7pF9/3GrPfc=; b=b1n+g5tMpWl6RLZ7FAu6Eu/O5GmlReu0WGcl7qsgFruWoIMt8mE8umKoHdqtUuyMND noFklUF6EHbygQYaIsXkqYk255w3G4fK7tbKAYnHS0DnMW/OTmY6HO/IjANdkSbvsURs ZjFImLyVMQitJmzhqY0GtNMB6JzstqFtSH5EI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kRT/l95qhufA82J/okZDWQ4ok/h2bZ1Y/843vQpnL2xljLva0LuMJ1BDyKZfqsnD/O 9auLFXMiBX9RifWsaq4eyaa+NmY1QjPITblRcbERs/yM1+QHL2IBxKeE66GuGzHHgR7d NFdcOmOy3eI/P8RVc2BRaVCSuE4LrAUFvJ70E= Received: by 10.110.26.20 with SMTP id 20mr2321211tiz.5.1225613498830; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-189-181.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.189.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y3sm6446380tia.6.2008.11.02.01.11.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <490D60AE.70602@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:11:26 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC References: <1F63CF57A8524576935C303C4D07AFBF@Parents> In-Reply-To: <1F63CF57A8524576935C303C4D07AFBF@Parents> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 09:15:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d618f143021234514069 Terry and Tracey wrote: > ... No Oly photos alas. All my photos lately have been quick snaps > using a PHD camera (Push Here D**khead) for home and work. ... Hmm, I've not heard it called a "PHD" before, but judging by the fact that stuff snorted out of my nose when I read your email, I'm guessing that's what I'll be calling mine in future (well, that, and "Flipper", since it's an Oly 770SW). Nice to hear from you, Foxy. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 09:15:28 2008 Received: (qmail 31792 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 08:15:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 08:15:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43943C2C64; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:15:16 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:15:16 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.184]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D06C38AD for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:12:57 +0100 (CET) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i50so1535700rne.11 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:12:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=I7Yr6yQ4Ej+g5BLrJa6N0uTYaKnXsIv0AfHRwzYtD54=; b=ijc2pc3igMSL7hOYv+m/4QXq5IpM4x9/rKywNU8Lfr4UyAMQw66LmDbQKAcdTgZX8T EA/BKeXRYBOBX/zddhxyMSM/ipvZeBDieSuZR4iPxkgOksu6iP67Mi2nCc3DBQoEHHqN MWTexJF56vgoKlRl1dVpgCEALMXN1vXlsrCGM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ntmlrNW1iKaXPKgxMkMu25+BQGJoqqgSOCJ8mHNNUZx9jZ0FB9fMETkSt8OlW39+tI KjDdsdSB5HgArok1kJc+McgikE4lqWO9OC7GNBfH1IkpQk4zTIYe/j1Nmqmsvi4KQF44 Lx2L5zrEQdDVIJVZ9k6EfK1ti6W/HExrOLN/c= Received: by 10.151.108.3 with SMTP id k3mr24460783ybm.93.1225613575704; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.11.10 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:12:55 -0700 From: "\"J. Van Brimmer\"" Sender: jerry.vb@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ebffca8b102de2b2 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 09:15:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d61a0295751993019900 Actually I use the desk on the left the most, with my laptop. I'm sort of "vertically challenged", and I do have the monitor (on the right) adjusted kind of low because I don't like having to look upward at my monitors. So, it all works, albeit I admit it looks kind of weird. -- jv On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > > Nice! > > And I bet you have a sore neck, judging by the relative heights of the > chair, monitor and keyboard ... > > Chris > > On 2 Nov 2008, at 01:46, J. Van Brimmer wrote: > >> >> Okay, here's my space. I do have a furry seat cushion, but she's busy, >> off claiming another quarter of her castle at the moment. >> >> http://vanbrimmer.net/myspace/100_2526.JPG >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 09:39:57 2008 Received: (qmail 16643 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 08:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 08:39:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310B5C2C46; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:39:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:39:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4569AC2D0C for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:39:43 +0100 (CET) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u3so1053314tia.17 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DhIT+CmfR88+jWjXHfRqzDEEO03FHLAbZ3c+xVYiHuI=; b=xx98UuaoCCTQxu+9ACbwS/L8LK2j8JV0MdahBlngACB24Tk8ltMutndHwcStDd6/0Y cjLyC87CaG4AIqbHICkw5J+mLM0r2RRjAWE1bguIy/gL5T+ysO+hBhlK5YsBSijWSMju 4KJ0XGwSzF1/i+5x+bNGzeCwQyWON2foD1ktc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=voVKs5sh14x6Mv1AL07QFZv+wehT0EWpDS1+5/z6y9RtmrzybHMcT2FXcl8hS2AaxG xrvocUvAa8U3JRzDe/k6pTlU1dg5gVqhx+SEZPlsLTReGa385hiU7odm740MThppc+YO WJYFgvh2WXv+CvcDIXAu8Zkox11W64BjIoq+s= Received: by 10.110.5.14 with SMTP id 14mr10083277tie.58.1225615179079; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-189-181.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.189.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i6sm10617075tid.5.2008.11.02.01.39.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <490D6741.9050008@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:39:29 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 09:39:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d675d128211023412894 My kingdom is split between the sofa where I spend most of my "online" time with my laptop, and my iMac upstairs, where I work on images. I'm about to buy a new desk and chair to put next to the sofa, and possibly bring the iMac down here and use that more often instead of the laptop. Anyway, I suspect I score about a 1, combined, in both provinces of my kingdom: http://www.parknmeter.com/temp/dent.jpg (Includes furry seat cushion, bottom left. Oh, and no, that's not my bass guitar) and http://www.parknmeter.com/temp/imac.jpg (This picture actually includes a camera, aside from that built into the iMac) Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 10:26:13 2008 Received: (qmail 9096 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 09:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 09:26:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CDAC3C97; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:26:01 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:26:01 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0595C3124 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:22:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AFF46153B for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:38:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <461259C5-425A-4C0A-A641-DE969EEBDAA3@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <490D60AE.70602@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Yellowed 24mm f/2.0 MC Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:22:17 +0000 References: <1F63CF57A8524576935C303C4D07AFBF@Parents> <490D60AE.70602@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 10:26:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d7235136561744846740 Nice, Marc, nice! :-) Chris On 2 Nov 2008, at 08:11, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > Terry and Tracey wrote: >> ... No Oly photos alas. All my photos lately have been quick snaps >> using a PHD camera (Push Here D**khead) for home and work. ... > > Hmm, I've not heard it called a "PHD" before, but judging by the fact > that stuff snorted out of my nose when I read your email, I'm guessing > that's what I'll be calling mine in future (well, that, and "Flipper", > since it's an Oly 770SW). ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 10:27:32 2008 Received: (qmail 11192 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 09:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 09:27:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20209C39F3; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:27:16 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:27:16 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB552C2B86 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:24:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA087461B19 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:40:05 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <16EA990A-761B-4673-8D5F-C5C1742DEDE9@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <490D6741.9050008@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:24:05 +0000 References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> <490D6741.9050008@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 10:27:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d728426302070262475 I think that I aspire that sort of tidiness, Marc. Thanks for providing me with a goal :-) Chris On 2 Nov 2008, at 08:39, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > My kingdom is split between the sofa where I spend most of my "online" > time with my laptop, and my iMac upstairs, where I work on images. I'm > about to buy a new desk and chair to put next to the sofa, and > possibly > bring the iMac down here and use that more often instead of the > laptop. > > Anyway, I suspect I score about a 1, combined, in both provinces of my > kingdom: > > http://www.parknmeter.com/temp/dent.jpg > (Includes furry seat cushion, bottom left. Oh, and no, that's not my > bass guitar) > > and > > http://www.parknmeter.com/temp/imac.jpg > (This picture actually includes a camera, aside from that built into > the > iMac) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 10:28:39 2008 Received: (qmail 4736 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 09:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 09:28:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779DCC3814; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:28:26 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:28:26 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85391C3688 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:24:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 02 Nov 2008 20:24:35 +1100 Message-ID: <100-ce710d49-37216.008@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:24:30 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <490D2413.4060404@gmail.com> <490D2413.4060404@gmail.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Workspace Gallery X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 10:28:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d72c7189149347015869 And just so I dont feel left out :-0 Quick E510 shots, converted from raw (and resized) to jpg at 90% Quality. My wifes "desk" space http://www.comkal.net/workspaces/pb022199.jpg I like to keep some tools in the kitchen as well. http://www.comkal.net/workspaces/pb022200.jpg Should have added a shot of the other end of the kitchen, some amps stacked waiting for me to check/fix. My main workshop http://www.comkal.net/workspaces/pb022201.jpg http://www.comkal.net/workspaces/pb022202.jpg http://www.comkal.net/workspaces/pb022203.jpg And all the photos I just copied across the network to I: drive on the server downstairs for you all to view. Theres a canon p&s on my wifes shelf but all my stuff is in the cupboard with kitty litter, apart from my E510 that lives in the kitchen. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" but "That's funny ..." -- Isaac Asimov ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 10:28:50 2008 Received: (qmail 21441 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 09:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 09:28:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7417BC2D4D; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:28:39 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:28:39 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6F1C31CA for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:25:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B69461B19 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:41:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <1A6E68B1-7CD2-4037-A202-0223737A2E74@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:25:16 +0000 References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 10:28:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d72d2277871823421471 I'm a bit sensitive about posture at the moment, JV. I have a stiff neck which is probably due to my sitting badly at the computer, hence my comment :-) Chris On 2 Nov 2008, at 08:12, J. Van Brimmer wrote: > > Actually I use the desk on the left the most, with my laptop. I'm sort > of "vertically challenged", and I do have the monitor (on the right) > adjusted kind of low because I don't like having to look upward at my > monitors. So, it all works, albeit I admit it looks kind of weird. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 10:41:31 2008 Received: (qmail 2902 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 09:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 09:41:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E085C285C; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:41:20 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:41:20 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 3945EC358C for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:41:18 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 9590 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 09:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 09:41:14 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <526F056F-F7EC-41C6-BF51-7788D6C2FF26@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:41:10 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 10:41:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d75cb122861234514069 Offensively neat - be ashamed. A tidy desk indicates a sick mind. Nice cushion but. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 4:05 PM, Paul Laughlin wrote: > Here is my Lair. Including one of the two furry seat cushions that > own this > house. LOL There are some images of them in this same gallery. > Paul in Portland OR > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 10:56:39 2008 Received: (qmail 6915 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 09:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 09:56:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4405CC3212; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:56:26 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:56:26 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D61EC330F for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:56:22 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 11622 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 09:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 09:56:19 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490D6741.9050008@gmail.com> References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> <490D6741.9050008@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <55130726-A19F-476C-8582-B0FEFB8A9036@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:56:15 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 10:56:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d7956257711823421471 Does not qualify as a workspace - no papers, no coffee, no pizza rings, the animal has usurped the throne, the Crumpler sticker isn't fooling anyone and, apparently, you live with a bass guitarist (the shame). 'Must try harder'. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 7:39 PM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > My kingdom is split between the sofa where I spend most of my "online" > time with my laptop, and my iMac upstairs, where I work on images. I'm > about to buy a new desk and chair to put next to the sofa, and > possibly > bring the iMac down here and use that more often instead of the > laptop. > > Anyway, I suspect I score about a 1, combined, in both provinces of my > kingdom: > > http://www.parknmeter.com/temp/dent.jpg > (Includes furry seat cushion, bottom left. Oh, and no, that's not my > bass guitar) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 11:02:54 2008 Received: (qmail 20531 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 10:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 10:02:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6858DC31C4; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:02:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:02:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id CFF9CC330F for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:02:39 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 11890 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 10:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 10:00:20 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1A6E68B1-7CD2-4037-A202-0223737A2E74@threeshoes.net> References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> <1A6E68B1-7CD2-4037-A202-0223737A2E74@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:00:16 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 11:02:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d7ace17561234514069 That's 'altitudinally challenged' - you of all people should know that. Vertically challenged means that you keep falling over. An early symptom is the inability to get a level horizon in landscapes. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 8:25 PM, Chris Barker wrote: >> Actually I use the desk on the left the most, with my laptop. I'm >> sort >> of "vertically challenged", and I do have the monitor (on the right) >> adjusted kind of low because I don't like having to look upward at my >> monitors. So, it all works, albeit I admit it looks kind of weird. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 11:03:39 2008 Received: (qmail 1310 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 10:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 10:03:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF22C3275; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:03:28 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:03:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 00BAAC28FF for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:03:27 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 12278 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 10:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 10:03:24 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <100-ce710d49-37216.008@comkal.net> References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <490D2413.4060404@gmail.com> <490D2413.4060404@gmail.com> <100-ce710d49-37216.008@comkal.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <75626A69-C65F-4659-A231-16E58372E364@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Workspace Gallery Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:03:19 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 11:03:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d7afb17342070262475 I deeply admire and respect any woman who can produce this effect. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 8:24 PM, Ian Manners wrote: > My wifes "desk" space > http://www.comkal.net/workspaces/pb022199.jpg ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 11:08:34 2008 Received: (qmail 3529 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 10:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 10:08:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FBFC3288; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:08:23 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:08:23 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id AC799C2FE5 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:08:21 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 12183 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 10:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 10:01:39 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1A6E68B1-7CD2-4037-A202-0223737A2E74@threeshoes.net> References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> <1A6E68B1-7CD2-4037-A202-0223737A2E74@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <54E86C8C-5409-47E8-8107-E60D8AB24310@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:01:33 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 11:08:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d7c22221011023412894 Whoops - abused the wrong guy. Sorry. ------------------------------------------------------- That's 'altitudinally challenged' - you of all people should know that. Vertically challenged means that you keep falling over. An early symptom is the inability to get a level horizon in landscapes. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 8:25 PM, Chris Barker wrote: >> Actually I use the desk on the left the most, with my laptop. I'm >> sort >> of "vertically challenged", and I do have the monitor (on the right) >> adjusted kind of low because I don't like having to look upward at my >> monitors. So, it all works, albeit I admit it looks kind of weird. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 11:12:54 2008 Received: (qmail 1547 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 10:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 10:12:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA1DC3363; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:12:43 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:12:43 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B568C32B9 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:12:42 +0100 (CET) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u3so1080708tia.17 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:12:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fz3CrfbzPW1KLBWL4jo3FMWvibnex/bBdbQ5Gck72Jw=; b=bNyyb+AFAwi7iMlwQwo7P2XquTIgTJL+rwPk0ZL/xuzt3kauvq7xvPRydtr8XYj5AE m2h9eqI+3sY/s1BjclVSc4J0s39XL9Nw/7QuerUvF5jIVMDMqyCH1oDJZRA5nEZ0mgHF ubOeb0iBkW+Jzh7FO67B8e7KwWiywgFY/hCxI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nWVXfXU9HiTh4jw2SbFCcK86nwOw7TXYd7xXPYdM5zkfBHElDWXLDT2qIOx/QXKNXT 32hAufxUS+PhbedoezJjHvK+3lQ8YJy2YUQEubNYcKtzqySdc6krotdmaC285GOoiPOr wEb86pDN99Fknfks62TemFleoWksJHoRutJhs= Received: by 10.110.11.7 with SMTP id 7mr10170822tik.43.1225620760497; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:12:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-189-181.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.189.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm12830338tia.8.2008.11.02.02.12.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:12:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <490D7D0E.4060508@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:12:30 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> <490D6741.9050008@gmail.com> <55130726-A19F-476C-8582-B0FEFB8A9036@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <55130726-A19F-476C-8582-B0FEFB8A9036@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 11:12:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d7d26215237927319144 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Does not qualify as a workspace - no papers, no coffee, no pizza > rings, the animal has usurped the throne, the Crumpler sticker isn't > fooling anyone and, apparently, you live with a bass guitarist (the > shame). 'Must try harder'. Umm, there's a coffee, though admittedly it was made by the aspiring bass guitarist. The poofy latte's in that green cup there, on the right: http://www.parknmeter.com/temp/dent.jpg I'm guessing the coffee doesn't negate the judgement though. [Thinks about it a bit...] I'm okay with that. :) Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 11:13:17 2008 Received: (qmail 5719 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 10:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 10:13:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020E8C33CF; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:13:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:13:05 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C5DC340A for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:13:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78); 02 Nov 2008 21:13:01 +1100 Message-ID: <100-2b7d0d49-49455.009@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:12:59 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <75626A69-C65F-4659-A231-16E58372E364@people.net.au> References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <490D2413.4060404@gmail.com> <490D2413.4060404@gmail.com> <100-ce710d49-37216.008@comkal.net> <100-ce710d49-37216.008@comkal.net> <75626A69-C65F-4659-A231-16E58372E364@people.net.au> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Workspace Gallery X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 11:13:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d7d3d117637927319144 Hi Andrew, > I deeply admire and respect any woman who can produce this effect. I'll let her know :-) She cleaned it up during the week when I swapped her Big Mac for a little mac. > > http://www.comkal.net/workspaces/pb022199.jpg Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you that look that says, "My God, you're right! I never would've thought of that!" -Dave Barry ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 11:34:40 2008 Received: (qmail 31813 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 10:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 10:34:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00C2C3393; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:34:28 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:34:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 59A6BC304D for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:34:27 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 19752 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 10:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 10:34:25 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490D7D0E.4060508@gmail.com> References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> <490D6741.9050008@gmail.com> <55130726-A19F-476C-8582-B0FEFB8A9036@people.net.au> <490D7D0E.4060508@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <3D172939-09DC-4F2E-AE06-E59B136F9359@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:34:19 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 11:34:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d8240287237927319144 Latte ain't café - girly shit. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2008, at 9:12 PM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > I'm guessing the coffee doesn't negate the judgement though. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 12:22:53 2008 Received: (qmail 23216 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 11:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 11:22:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213F4C297E; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:22:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:22:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D76C2CBD for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:22:41 +0100 (CET) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so1616677fge.11 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 03:22:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Qi+w/C4m3VZjk7hGXZJ+duqdGfB4IJpHhfxGeSY+Mio=; b=PA518lS22b06/3n/+yeNaXY+Ji/XTXrnYtMQlhNnMfuar/SoJhz2gz+B9SmoNDN801 e6cK4HHH6pwPARUMx+X1CciM+AqG+9XOKoZXm+hm2FsNVf6K8KMqLViDXugJjBS4fW4h Li6a7aCpnlj3y/HQn2sV7+QFuNLVZl5ucUpVM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ixDWysoycx9AXR0m7q8j5uKJ8JEdM93sdp+5uaM2y75FlJse9ZHV57gLs29nz8KoIt 72ayLBaukRjRDpfv5jkNP/plfNFAD4/nfSJZyBFtm5rbZVy+eWYIWwKMTykmTltQb1yV VfXBi+3QNOFXb1BVQ3AIaFUenBD8cAASxUmuY= Received: by 10.187.216.15 with SMTP id t15mr1733928faq.32.1225624961528; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 03:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.187.172.3 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 03:22:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:22:41 +0000 From: "Ian Nichols" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Workspace Gallery In-Reply-To: <100-ce710d49-37216.008@comkal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <490D2413.4060404@gmail.com> <100-ce710d49-37216.008@comkal.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ian.a.nichols@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 12:22:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d8d8d220511869477228 2008/11/2 Ian Manners : > I like to keep some tools in the kitchen as well. > http://www.comkal.net/workspaces/pb022200.jpg I think I can trump that: www.ian955.fotopic.net - 3rd collection down "New Lathe". I could probably take a good stab at the "Study" too, but I won't. -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 12:56:34 2008 Received: (qmail 15448 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 11:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 11:56:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A099DC3343; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:56:20 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:56:20 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B752C308A for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:53:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 02 Nov 2008 22:53:15 +1100 Message-ID: <100-9d940d49-37688.015@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:53:01 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <490D2413.4060404@gmail.com> <100-ce710d49-37216.008@comkal.net> <100-ce710d49-37216.008@comkal.net> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Workspace Gallery X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 12:56:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490d957267091023412894 On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:22:41 +0000, Ian Nichols wrote: > I think I can trump that: www.ian955.fotopic.net - 3rd collection > down "New Lathe". I could probably take a good stab at the "Study" > too, but I won't. Hey, it's always changing, give it a week :-) http://www.comkal.net/workspaces/img_0233.jpg http://www.comkal.net/workspaces/img_0234.jpg http://www.comkal.net/workspaces/img_0235.jpg Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ WINERR 01B - ERROR REMOVING TEMPORARY FILE; A PERMANENT FILE WILL BE SUBSTITUTED ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 14:09:55 2008 Received: (qmail 25930 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 13:09:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 13:09:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E81BC3519; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:09:43 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:09:43 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE793C3DAB for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:06:40 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 26544 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2008 13:06:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2008 13:06:39 -0000 Message-ID: <490DA5DF.7080702@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 08:06:39 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Workspace Gallery [was Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom] References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <490D2413.4060404@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <490D2413.4060404@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 14:09:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490da6a3256778512572685 I'll be sure to show these the next time SWMBO complains about my office (but I did cheat... just a little) :-) Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Here are all the "entires" so far in one place. > > > Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 14:15:18 2008 Received: (qmail 15375 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 13:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 13:15:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA3EC2D07; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:15:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:15:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9822EC2CB2 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:15:05 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 29633 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2008 13:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2008 13:15:05 -0000 Message-ID: <490DA7D8.5030802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 08:15:04 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Workspace Gallery References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <490D2413.4060404@gmail.com> <100-ce710d49-37216.008@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 14:15:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490da7e6235661702588592 Cool! I've always wanted one of those even though I wouldn't have a clue about how to use it correctly. Chuck Norcutt Ian Nichols wrote: > 2008/11/2 Ian Manners : > >> I like to keep some tools in the kitchen as well. >> http://www.comkal.net/workspaces/pb022200.jpg > > I think I can trump that: www.ian955.fotopic.net - 3rd collection > down "New Lathe". I could probably take a good stab at the "Study" > too, but I won't. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 14:17:44 2008 Received: (qmail 22735 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 13:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 13:17:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF90AC3677; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:17:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:17:32 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B48C31B2 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:17:32 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 30488 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2008 13:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2008 13:17:31 -0000 Message-ID: <490DA86B.8060401@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 08:17:31 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Workspace Gallery References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <490D2413.4060404@gmail.com> <100-ce710d49-37216.008@comkal.net> <100-ce710d49-37216.008@comkal.net> <100-9d940d49-37688.015@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: <100-9d940d49-37688.015@comkal.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 14:17:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490da878170771023412894 Your wife is clearly a most extraordinary woman :-) Chuck Norcutt Ian Manners wrote: > On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:22:41 +0000, Ian Nichols wrote: > >> I think I can trump that: www.ian955.fotopic.net - 3rd collection >> down "New Lathe". I could probably take a good stab at the "Study" >> too, but I won't. > > Hey, it's always changing, give it a week :-) > > http://www.comkal.net/workspaces/img_0233.jpg > http://www.comkal.net/workspaces/img_0234.jpg > http://www.comkal.net/workspaces/img_0235.jpg > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.comkal.net/ ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 15:19:15 2008 Received: (qmail 2764 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 14:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 14:19:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D69AC2DEF; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:19:03 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:19:03 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133A7C31AC for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:18:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [204.210.85.179]) by cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081102141856.BSQV11335.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:18:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <9D0F9904-BB29-49A4-8C6C-280ACFE1A4F1@people.net.au> References: <119922.95075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F2CC63A3CF3494994C5D70C64FF9F6F@hudson> <027701c93b4c$9b02b910$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> <490B7FB2.5000706@gmail.com> <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> <490BCF85.9010709@ctgonline.org> <748CEDFB-0F69-4157-BBDD-73BB86CE774A@roadrunner.com> <9D0F9904-BB29-49A4-8C6C-280ACFE1A4F1@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <268CFC19-4701-4918-940E-144BE8CBC693@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: The film guys .... Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:18:52 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 15:19:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490db6e3164189347015869 I doubt it. He's part of the Blue Collar Comedy Tour, and by far the most, ah, interesting. "Ever take a crap so big your pants fit better?" --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Nov 1, 2008, at 11:45 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Nope. He got one o' them website thingies? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/11/2008, at 10:49 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > >>> No, it's a yawning gulf - clever is sometimes stupid but true Stupid >>> goes right to the bone. >> >> Down under, are you familiar with the American comedic sage Ron >> White, who has a signature line, "You can't fix stupid!" ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 15:57:42 2008 Received: (qmail 7703 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 14:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 14:57:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18361C2AA9; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:57:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:57:30 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.184]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9E8C350D for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:57:29 +0100 (CET) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i50so1584260rne.11 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 06:57:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=wLC1q8L8Pdsm6jkgLMEKI/loLfhrjIizmBjGBq8PHjU=; b=dCyRx5JB6iD/WUvjUoTSyfH0W0mCKEC3/ZB3UVqfdFpaM+Zdu/ujYuUfmEqyTrEsr2 3jCU9PbpQMNRBMnRXDMrdYSYdbmcbNhDRQMIZ/XJF/QAfzgETzseNXmurokLALGvMuyj 3QpycjzM5ZNG/q1tBQbYKphpv/aAdwUuMNS+w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=OsAjZ1cIeagjg9L42O9L0Gken1N7EOpiYCgZeen148rsd8ik3vQBVRGqbsS8Rrp6sD qcYm08VO+GIBhm8700QC7ERCqk85cO5O3jphvWQSO5A+gYGdmkJE7mT21yQO4OJzW+K6 ESSMtXfU9BYjsFX9NvapbwKKv0ACbv/+Ai0jA= Received: by 10.151.109.11 with SMTP id l11mr1055298ybm.26.1225637848872; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 06:57:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.11.10 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:57:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <901b226d0811020657g6026af8fkdd6e1a32ecd81e88@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:57:28 -0800 From: "\"J. Van Brimmer\"" Sender: jerry.vb@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: <54E86C8C-5409-47E8-8107-E60D8AB24310@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> <1A6E68B1-7CD2-4037-A202-0223737A2E74@threeshoes.net> <54E86C8C-5409-47E8-8107-E60D8AB24310@people.net.au> X-Google-Sender-Auth: de7de4123deb830a X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 15:57:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490dbfe6296881744846740 No problem. It's all fun. :-) Now, I want to know when the official judging will begin. OK, who will be the judge and what will the categories be? We could have a single judge, or take a vote, and here's a couple of categories for starters: 1. The tidiest (In the literal sense of the word) 2. The messiest (Literally) 3. ? (Surely there's more) -- jv On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Whoops - abused the wrong guy. Sorry. > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > That's 'altitudinally challenged' - you of all people should know > that. Vertically challenged means that you keep falling over. An > early symptom is the inability to get a level horizon in landscapes. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 17:08:48 2008 Received: (qmail 15985 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 16:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 16:08:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BF1C3887; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:08:35 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:08:35 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56AFC2CAC for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:08:34 +0100 (CET) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i50so1595201rne.11 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 08:08:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=7x26PtTlJROEiwioRWR1Q9EXCoKFd2AIrxBzcPrqoT0=; b=K/20PZ1kwIdxjrAaEvI3G/B/9e1AUzKcuJu9XPumDuEFIoMQhWLnffHspTwFxTP53K UmQ/lYmf+ieJm+ZjYrODgRYNVbi62YL4LKBB+zd1IrPtVO1G2gmK4MygqvcDlSUb52Kf BBcxJhfnWq6PCTurS6Pgus5Y3AVhmfMwZwb/s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=F7FfNef1EdJ0vvhDNFj3MQmkeCdzsZMco6PaYP8ct0hZZvi2LukAAMqiwaRC+EWGyL 3wlHklipXgxGyTGOgshHwCFWDXCsYbt6bla5eYmagEEqv626PL4WNTXYMvprwSghpvLX d3I006Plbqup1SIQskEiP6+RQVv+BFcX9oo3M= Received: by 10.151.50.11 with SMTP id c11mr25052630ybk.213.1225642114198; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 08:08:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.11.10 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:08:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <901b226d0811020808p19bbe465w6d018f2b8d429823@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:08:34 -0800 From: "\"J. Van Brimmer\"" Sender: jerry.vb@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: <901b226d0811020657g6026af8fkdd6e1a32ecd81e88@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> <1A6E68B1-7CD2-4037-A202-0223737A2E74@threeshoes.net> <54E86C8C-5409-47E8-8107-E60D8AB24310@people.net.au> <901b226d0811020657g6026af8fkdd6e1a32ecd81e88@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e8c207b56f3215fd X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 17:08:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490dd090255481499373980 On second thought, I think this is not such a good idea. It could get unwieldy real fast. So, unless someone *really* wants to do it, just forget the idea. I won't be ruffled in the slightest. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:57 AM, J. Van Brimmer wrote: > No problem. It's all fun. :-) > > > Now, I want to know when the official judging will begin. OK, who will > be the judge and what will the categories be? > > We could have a single judge, or take a vote, and here's a couple of > categories for starters: > > 1. The tidiest (In the literal sense of the word) > > 2. The messiest (Literally) > > 3. ? (Surely there's more) > > > -- > jv ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 17:54:31 2008 Received: (qmail 11840 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 16:54:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 16:54:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C773C2EC6; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:54:20 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:54:20 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail12.green.ch (mail12.green.ch [81.221.254.111]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD016C2D4B for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:54:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from macbook.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:54:19 +0100 Message-ID: <490DDB3B.3050700@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:54:19 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <90C00899-A0E0-42DF-94E1-F3480A8C6659@people.net.au> <05EF680454C64A4A853FD7DAD4A97147@meo.dec.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081031160750.022abdf8@zuik.net> <490B9708.30400@gmail.com> <40010F12-54E0-4965-A89A-4042CE99529E@threeshoes.net> <490CC7BD.6010507@yahoo.co.uk> <75DA5C65-A1F9-4314-B231-88E9FC642CEB@threeshoes.net> <4F7C8EDE-2B02-4B47-BDBF-1123B1188B5F@people.net.au> <78F64737-ABEE-4D28-8D59-8C23AB16B159@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <78F64737-ABEE-4D28-8D59-8C23AB16B159@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2008 16:54:19.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[A63ED500:01C93D0B] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 17:54:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490ddb47159601744846740 Maybe a view from another angle raises me another .1 :-) another shot taken at the same time, from the opposite corner. http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/613944#407967041_7Zqkj-A-LB IanW Chris Barker wrote: > Yebbut, he has nothing askew on the walls; nor does he have shelves > gathering more dust with assorted stuff to prevent his dusting them :-) > > Chris > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 18:23:23 2008 Received: (qmail 29866 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 17:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 17:23:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EB4C37CD; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:23:11 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:23:11 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [204.127.217.106]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF0CC31D8 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:23:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20081102172309H06004fft8e>; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:23:09 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Subject: [OM] IMG: Red Maple Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:23:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 18:23:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490de20b308909117217770 Our Red Maple has reached peak color, and the leaves fall quickly. From direct light, the leaves appear a dull red, but, when backlighted, appear orange. Oly E-510, Zuiko 14-54, ISO 400, shot RAW, processed in Elements 6.0, uploaded as TIFF file. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Red+Maple.tif.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 19:50:04 2008 Received: (qmail 3666 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 18:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 18:50:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518C5C3481; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:49:52 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:49:52 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37273C42A7 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:49:51 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 5555 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2008 18:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2008 18:49:49 -0000 Message-ID: <490DF64D.6080703@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:49:49 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple References: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 19:50:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490df65c77811035110158 Looks nice but why a TIFF? As a TIFF the image takes up 301K. As a moderately high quality JPEG (PS JPEG quality 8) it's only about 125K. Visually, I doubt that it's possible to tell the difference. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Our Red Maple has reached peak color, and the leaves fall quickly. From direct light, the leaves appear a dull red, but, when backlighted, appear orange. > > Oly E-510, Zuiko 14-54, ISO 400, shot RAW, processed in Elements 6.0, uploaded as TIFF file. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Red+Maple.tif.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 19:58:32 2008 Received: (qmail 353 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 18:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 18:58:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4EEC39D2; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:58:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:58:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [207.115.11.55]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD11C3EF1 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:57:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20081102185702H0500j0rvle>; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:57:02 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <59341B183F49445C9038F7BA94F540CA@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> <490DF64D.6080703@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:57:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 19:58:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490df85889521744846740 Chuck, You are correct. I save RAW images as TIFFs, so I upload them to the gallery I use because it changes them to jpgs. It just saves me the trouble of making a conversion, and leaves one less file on my hard drive. I added the comment because, last week, I had some problems with the conversion showing up correctly when viewed. I think it was at my end, because it disappeared overnight, when I shut down the computer and restarted it the next morning. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple > Looks nice but why a TIFF? As a TIFF the image takes up 301K. As a > moderately high quality JPEG (PS JPEG quality 8) it's only about 125K. > Visually, I doubt that it's possible to tell the difference. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Our Red Maple has reached peak color, and the leaves fall quickly. From >> direct light, the leaves appear a dull red, but, when backlighted, appear >> orange. >> >> Oly E-510, Zuiko 14-54, ISO 400, shot RAW, processed in Elements 6.0, >> uploaded as TIFF file. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Red+Maple.tif.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 >> 7:56 PM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 20:09:42 2008 Received: (qmail 29594 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 19:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 19:09:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3A8C2DF7; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:09:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:09:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE76DC2C89 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:09:28 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 18032 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2008 19:09:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2008 19:09:28 -0000 Message-ID: <490DFAE8.4010405@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:09:28 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple References: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> <490DF64D.6080703@chucknorcutt.com> <59341B183F49445C9038F7BA94F540CA@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <59341B183F49445C9038F7BA94F540CA@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 20:09:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490dfaf6268269117217770 OK, I see that it is a JPEG. It's just a very large file for its image dimensions. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Chuck, > > You are correct. I save RAW images as TIFFs, so I upload them to the > gallery I use because it changes them to jpgs. It just saves me the trouble > of making a conversion, and leaves one less file on my hard drive. I added > the comment because, last week, I had some problems with the conversion > showing up correctly when viewed. I think it was at my end, because it > disappeared overnight, when I shut down the computer and restarted it the > next morning. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:49 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple > > >> Looks nice but why a TIFF? As a TIFF the image takes up 301K. As a >> moderately high quality JPEG (PS JPEG quality 8) it's only about 125K. >> Visually, I doubt that it's possible to tell the difference. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> Our Red Maple has reached peak color, and the leaves fall quickly. From >>> direct light, the leaves appear a dull red, but, when backlighted, appear >>> orange. >>> >>> Oly E-510, Zuiko 14-54, ISO 400, shot RAW, processed in Elements 6.0, >>> uploaded as TIFF file. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Red+Maple.tif.html >>> >>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 >>> 7:56 PM >>> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 21:34:22 2008 Received: (qmail 2905 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 20:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 20:34:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2723C3AF9; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:34:07 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:34:07 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 34A27C4409 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:33:50 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 17779 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 20:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 20:33:47 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <901b226d0811020657g6026af8fkdd6e1a32ecd81e88@mail.gmail.com> References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> <1A6E68B1-7CD2-4037-A202-0223737A2E74@threeshoes.net> <54E86C8C-5409-47E8-8107-E60D8AB24310@people.net.au> <901b226d0811020657g6026af8fkdd6e1a32ecd81e88@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <763A2750-D1B5-4438-AD0C-49884F30081C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:33:45 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 21:34:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e0ece200371035110158 Only one grand prize I think and the judging criteria have already started to appear - - The sheer quantity of 'stuff' - papers, bits of camera, whatever. (Ian's missus?) - The number of peripherals, especially if they have stuff heaped on them. And cabling. - Quantity of shelving and cabinets, especially if nothing is filed and there's no order. - Imaginative use of old, decrepit or inappropriate furniture. - Difficulties overcome - I like Chris' 5ft ceiling, for instance. - Multiple use - Bob's is obviously a spare bedroom and Laundry as well. A screen shot of someone else's desk is necessary. Special mention for imaginative use of companion animal. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/11/2008, at 1:57 AM, J. Van Brimmer wrote: > > No problem. It's all fun. :-) > > > Now, I want to know when the official judging will begin. OK, who will > be the judge and what will the categories be? > > We could have a single judge, or take a vote, and here's a couple of > categories for starters: > > 1. The tidiest (In the literal sense of the word) > > 2. The messiest (Literally) > > 3. ? (Surely there's more) > > > -- > jv > > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Andrew Fildes > wrote: >> >> Whoops - abused the wrong guy. Sorry. >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> That's 'altitudinally challenged' - you of all people should know >> that. Vertically challenged means that you keep falling over. An >> early symptom is the inability to get a level horizon in landscapes. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 2 23:48:00 2008 Received: (qmail 19724 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 22:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 22:47:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEEBBC2E22; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:47:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:47:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF66C2E16 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:47:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KwljT-0000Xq-KD for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:47:43 +0000 Received: from [77.99.183.220] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KwljT-00065C-3I for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:47:43 +0000 Message-Id: <84045349-6337-42B3-A9C5-E459ECE4E68A@mailcan.com> From: James R To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <763A2750-D1B5-4438-AD0C-49884F30081C@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:47:42 +0000 References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> <1A6E68B1-7CD2-4037-A202-0223737A2E74@threeshoes.net> <54E86C8C-5409-47E8-8107-E60D8AB24310@people.net.au> <901b226d0811020657g6026af8fkdd6e1a32ecd81e88@mail.gmail.com> <763A2750-D1B5-4438-AD0C-49884F30081C@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: londonjames@mailcan.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 2 23:48:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e2e2055801499373980 Well I only qualify on the dual use - I have to make do with the back end of our sitting room. The shear stuff aspect would have been greater pre-tax season as I hadn't sorted out papers for over a year (the tail end of it all is to the fore). And I would score pretty highly in the sore neck stakes if that was a category, hence the contraptions that's labelled a chair by some. http://gallery.me.com/jamesroyall#100178 On 2 Nov 2008, at 20:33, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Only one grand prize I think and the judging criteria have already > started to appear - > - The sheer quantity of 'stuff' - papers, bits of camera, whatever. > (Ian's missus?) > - The number of peripherals, especially if they have stuff heaped on > them. And cabling. > - Quantity of shelving and cabinets, especially if nothing is filed > and there's no order. > - Imaginative use of old, decrepit or inappropriate furniture. > - Difficulties overcome - I like Chris' 5ft ceiling, for instance. > - Multiple use - Bob's is obviously a spare bedroom and Laundry as > well. > > A screen shot of someone else's desk is necessary. > Special mention for imaginative use of companion animal. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 03/11/2008, at 1:57 AM, J. Van Brimmer wrote: > >> >> No problem. It's all fun. :-) >> >> >> Now, I want to know when the official judging will begin. OK, who >> will >> be the judge and what will the categories be? >> >> We could have a single judge, or take a vote, and here's a couple of >> categories for starters: >> >> 1. The tidiest (In the literal sense of the word) >> >> 2. The messiest (Literally) >> >> 3. ? (Surely there's more) >> >> >> -- >> jv >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Andrew Fildes >> wrote: >>> >>> Whoops - abused the wrong guy. Sorry. >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> That's 'altitudinally challenged' - you of all people should know >>> that. Vertically challenged means that you keep falling over. An >>> early symptom is the inability to get a level horizon in landscapes. >>> Andrew Fildes >>> afildes@people.net.au >>> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 00:00:22 2008 Received: (qmail 8150 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 23:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 23:00:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB29C3314; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 00:00:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:00:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4661C305F for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 00:00:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KwlvV-00062a-JF for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:00:09 +0000 Received: from [77.99.183.220] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KwlvR-00071Y-1A for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:00:05 +0000 Message-Id: <47C2F15C-4998-4B86-8A45-7752338E5665@mailcan.com> From: James R To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <84045349-6337-42B3-A9C5-E459ECE4E68A@mailcan.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:00:00 +0000 References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> <1A6E68B1-7CD2-4037-A202-0223737A2E74@threeshoes.net> <54E86C8C-5409-47E8-8107-E60D8AB24310@people.net.au> <901b226d0811020657g6026af8fkdd6e1a32ecd81e88@mail.gmail.com> <763A2750-D1B5-4438-AD0C-49884F30081C@people.net.au> <84045349-6337-42B3-A9C5-E459ECE4E68A@mailcan.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: londonjames@mailcan.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 00:00:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e3106292941702588592 Make that sheer... nothing shorn. On 2 Nov 2008, at 22:47, James R wrote: > > Well I only qualify on the dual use - I have to make do with the back > end of our sitting room. The shear stuff aspect would have been > greater pre-tax season as I hadn't sorted out papers for over a year > (the tail end of it all is to the fore). > > And I would score pretty highly in the sore neck stakes if that was a > category, hence the contraptions that's labelled a chair by some. > > http://gallery.me.com/jamesroyall#100178 > > > > On 2 Nov 2008, at 20:33, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> >> Only one grand prize I think and the judging criteria have already >> started to appear - >> - The sheer quantity of 'stuff' - papers, bits of camera, whatever. >> (Ian's missus?) >> - The number of peripherals, especially if they have stuff heaped on >> them. And cabling. >> - Quantity of shelving and cabinets, especially if nothing is filed >> and there's no order. >> - Imaginative use of old, decrepit or inappropriate furniture. >> - Difficulties overcome - I like Chris' 5ft ceiling, for instance. >> - Multiple use - Bob's is obviously a spare bedroom and Laundry as >> well. >> >> A screen shot of someone else's desk is necessary. >> Special mention for imaginative use of companion animal. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 03/11/2008, at 1:57 AM, J. Van Brimmer wrote: >> >>> >>> No problem. It's all fun. :-) >>> >>> >>> Now, I want to know when the official judging will begin. OK, who >>> will >>> be the judge and what will the categories be? >>> >>> We could have a single judge, or take a vote, and here's a couple of >>> categories for starters: >>> >>> 1. The tidiest (In the literal sense of the word) >>> >>> 2. The messiest (Literally) >>> >>> 3. ? (Surely there's more) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> jv >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Andrew Fildes >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Whoops - abused the wrong guy. Sorry. >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> That's 'altitudinally challenged' - you of all people should know >>>> that. Vertically challenged means that you keep falling over. 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I carefully packed away my favorite camera, the Olympus OM-4 T. I set aside my E510, and all of my wonderful Zuiko glass. I bought a MiGon D700 full frame dSLR. Very nice; here's the Fraser River at sunset, in an HDR image shown as actual pixels (cropped image) and as full frame (smaller image). http://originofwriting.com/D700/FraserRiver.html John Morton http://OriginOfWriting.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 00:35:25 2008 Received: (qmail 3934 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 23:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 23:35:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81065C2D54; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 00:35:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:35:13 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93E2C3613 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 00:35:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081102233512.BMIV23768.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:35:12 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id aPbB1a0064vDLwc02PbBSo; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:35:12 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=dxKFXQCCAAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=aGF01w_a64s9wt_-y_MA:9 a=nGCwPFOpZ45qfxUgdQ8A:7 a=lovWqdAMAa733rWQDj5oPCBel2oA:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=zUBsD6tbDSsA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <9F6083F87F604070B305863B440CE233@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <5513.59893.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] Re: A terrible admission Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:35:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 00:35:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e393d283281838542571 John, As it has the same image stuff as my D3, I know you will be thrilled. Except, when in the rain. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Morton" To: Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: [OM] A terrible admission > > Okay - I did it. > > I carefully packed away my favorite camera, the Olympus OM-4 T. I set > aside my E510, and all of my wonderful Zuiko glass. > > I bought a MiGon D700 full frame dSLR. > > Very nice; here's the Fraser River at sunset, in an HDR image shown as > actual pixels (cropped image) and as full frame (smaller image). > > http://originofwriting.com/D700/FraserRiver.html > > John Morton > > http://OriginOfWriting.com > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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(moose@71.141.2.213) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2008 23:37:28 -0000 Message-ID: <490E39B0.1090104@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:37:20 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] More comparisons [was Comparison shots] References: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> <898D698D-93AD-47CB-A716-5EE6A019176B@mailcan.com> <490C52A9.6010101@chucknorcutt.com> <490C57C2.6030306@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 00:37:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e39c857738512572685 Ken Norton wrote: > I'm agreeing with Chuck, here. And I'm agreeing with you [cataclysmic music as image of Earth being torn apart as it drops into a black hole. :-) ] - and with Chuck. > Group B illustrates several film "problems". > It's just film, focus, lens, camera (mirror slap?, ?), steadiness, and/or scan problem or a combination of those factors that results in an image far worse than it should be to be used as an exemplar of its type. I don't have a V700. However, before buying a Canon 9950F, I looked closely at the reviews of both at photo-i. I came to the conclusion that the V700 might be capable of just a shade more detail resolution, but that the difference was so small as to mean nothing in practical use. My sense was that dynamic range was essentially the same. I picked the Canon based on other factors. I've scanned Portra 400NC and it's way better than this image would indicate. I just scanned some on the 9950F @ 2400 dpi, using VueScan. This is the original 400NC, not the new stuff that I understand scans even better. 35mm film scanned using an ICC color profile I made with VueScan and an IT8 target. They were then downsampled using FM SI Pro to the same effective dpi as Wayne's group B image. As I and others have explained before, all digitally captured images, including film scans, require sharpening to make all the detail they capture visible. This is even more the case with flatbed scanners than dedicated film scanners. So these images have been sharpened in two steps, once as part of NR using NeatImage and once using FM IntelliSharpen II. I also made a small Curves adjustment. I don't have any 400NC images of crowds of people, but I do have them of crowds of foliage and flowers, and. I don't know for sure, but I'd guess these would compare pretty favorably with images taken at the same time with an E-510. Proper comparison images from 6x7 400NC should beat them both for detail. I also scanned them @ 4800 dpi. Downsized to the same size and similarly processed, one 4800dpi scan had a little more detail and the other about the same as the lower rez scans. > Number one issue that I see is a narrow Dmax scan which forced noise in the shadows to increase too greatly. It looks like the scanner was underexposing and Vuescan's curves adjustment (most likely auto) was correcting things so much you didn't see where the actual scan exposure was actually at. We must remember that a digital scanner is a digital camera with the same requirements and limitations in exposure that any digital camera has. > It looks to me like the Black Point may not have been at 0%. I've found that scanning color neg. film on the 9950F, setting Black Point above 0% does troublesome things to deep shadow. It also appears White Point may have been off, leading to blocked highlights. With Vuescan and CN film, I've found that using Neutral Color Balance setting, BP of 0% and WP of 0-0.1% generally gives a nice distribution of tonal range across the histogram. Sometimes, specular or other really out of range highlights will require either WP up to almost 1% and/or adjustment of the Brightness setting to put mid tones where they belong. > The second thing I noticed was an incorrect adjustment for the film base. When scanning negative color films, one must not just go for balancing the mid-tones, but also balance for a different gamma across the entire > spectrum. Some scanner software does this better than others and I've pulled much hair out (I have plenty more) attempting to get good scans from color negs with Vuescan. This is one area where the Nikon Scan software does a phenominal job and saves me much grief. > I'm not sure why some people seem to have so much trouble scanning CN film with VueScan. Perhaps in not understanding that the process and settings really need to be different? Maybe because the reversal reverses highlight and shadow issues? Base colors? You can get good results for the film base either with the built in adjustments for many older Kodak films, or by sampling a piece of clear base within VueScan for any film. The real solution to the larger issue of gamma and film toes and shoulders, from my perspective, is ICC profiles. These may be built using existing film base settings, where they exist in VueScan. For those and all other films, setting film film base to generic both when making the profile and when scanning film using it will correct for both base and curve at once. The above images look pretty true to life to me with no color adjustment at all after scanning with a profile. As 160NC and 400NC are carefully balanced by Kodak to have the same color characteristics, I use a profile from 160NC for both. > The third thing that jumped out at me is the yellow cast in Group B. This may be totally related to my second observation, but it could also be due to the notorious yellowing of the old Mamiya lenses. I noticed that this was an RB67 shot, but you did not reveal the vintage of the lens. (or maybe you did, and I just don't know my model descriptions well enough. From experience with my classic silver-nosed Zuikos, this yellowing does actually affect the reds and not necessarily in a positive way. > Once again, it would be possible to make separate profiles for lenses with different color characteristics. I know it may sound like a pain, but it's really quite easy and the advantages of time saved in scanning and post and the increased color accuracy are enormous. > Through minimal adjustments I can get Group B to mimick Group A, but the noise in Groub B is outrageous. I come back around to a bad scan. What you are seeing is NOT grain, but noise. A 2400dpi scan of Portra 400NC is not going to have enough grain to be an issue--especially in a downsized image. > I agree, it's not grain. What combination of scanning software settings and post processing created it I don't know. Even at full pixel, 4800dpi, the grain is modest and easily corrected, if desired. > I also question the focus accuracy of the scanner. This reminds me of scans I got with my old Coolscan II. I do seem to recall some discussion of such issues with height spacers and/or film holders on the V7xx scanners. As with their film scanners, Canons don't seem to have DOF issues. > Of course, Wayne could be yanking our chain. > If so, it worked. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 00:47:09 2008 Received: (qmail 833 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2008 23:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 23:47:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C0BC309A; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 00:46:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:46:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2078C2FCF for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 00:46:11 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 10755 invoked by uid 502); 2 Nov 2008 23:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.190.99) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2008 23:46:11 -0000 Message-ID: <490E3BBD.6050607@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:46:05 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A terrible admission References: <5513.59893.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <5513.59893.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 00:47:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e3bfd320951234514069 John Morton wrote: > Okay - I did it. > Hey, nice to hear from you. Been in months long meditation on the next camera? :-) > I carefully packed away my favorite camera, the Olympus OM-4 T. I set aside my E510, and all of my wonderful Zuiko glass. > > I bought a MiGon D700 full frame dSLR. > Certainly a nice camera. With a Cagnon, you would have been able to keep using the OM Zuiko glass. I did at first, but must admit it's quite seldom now. > Very nice; here's the Fraser River at sunset, in an HDR image shown as actual pixels (cropped image) and as full frame (smaller image). > > http://originofwriting.com/D700/FraserRiver.html > Nice image! Nice shadow detail and noise for ISO 1600. Film or E-510 don't do that. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 02:03:26 2008 Received: (qmail 6040 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 01:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 01:03:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9CDC3DD2; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 02:03:05 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:03:05 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl37.gs02.gridserver.com (cl37.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAFDC3C5B for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 02:02:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50547 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl37.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Kwnpu-0007xZ-0D for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:02:30 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:02:28 -0500 Subject: [OM] Re: A terrible admission From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] A terrible admission Thread-Index: Ack9T9dDFZNqxqlDEd2DDwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <5513.59893.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 02:03:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e4dde181229117217770 Beautiful photo. You won't need that old, outdated, worthless dinosaur film camera anymore, so you should send it to me. The lenses too :) -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 11/2/08 6:30 PM, "John Morton" wrote: > > Okay - I did it. > > I carefully packed away my favorite camera, the Olympus OM-4 T. I set aside my > E510, and all of my wonderful Zuiko glass. > > I bought a MiGon D700 full frame dSLR. > > Very nice; here's the Fraser River at sunset, in an HDR image shown as actual > pixels (cropped image) and as full frame (smaller image). > > http://originofwriting.com/D700/FraserRiver.html > > John Morton > > http://OriginOfWriting.com > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 02:19:07 2008 Received: (qmail 28112 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 01:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 01:19:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05D8C2C16; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 02:18:55 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:18:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDBDC2DD3 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 02:18:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-5-153.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.5.153]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA31IjT9012103 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:18:45 -0200 Message-ID: <490E5F8A.5040603@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:18:50 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A terrible admission References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 02:19:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e518b43641499373980 Thought he had done that already ... I like dinosaurs too. Fernando. Chris Crawford wrote: > Beautiful photo. You won't need that old, outdated, worthless dinosaur film > camera anymore, so you should send it to me. The lenses too :) > > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 02:20:49 2008 Received: (qmail 31003 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 01:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 01:20:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8195C34CB; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 02:20:37 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:20:37 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D155C347A for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 02:20:36 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 30653 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 01:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 01:20:32 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081102200030.0234b850@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:20:28 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: <84045349-6337-42B3-A9C5-E459ECE4E68A@mailcan.com> References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> <1A6E68B1-7CD2-4037-A202-0223737A2E74@threeshoes.net> <54E86C8C-5409-47E8-8107-E60D8AB24310@people.net.au> <901b226d0811020657g6026af8fkdd6e1a32ecd81e88@mail.gmail.com> <763A2750-D1B5-4438-AD0C-49884F30081C@people.net.au> <84045349-6337-42B3-A9C5-E459ECE4E68A@mailcan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 02:20:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e51f187861470116606 At 05:47 PM 11/2/2008, James R wrote: >... >http://gallery.me.com/jamesroyall#100178 James wins in the best printer category... Hell, we're all Joe the Plumber! Everyone stand up and be recognized. We're all winners in the our own domain category. I have not shot my basement yet, as that would qualify as something of a mess, with lot's of tools and about 20 projects in various stages of completion. My desk was the inspiration for building my son's desk (and step-daughter). Here is the finished product, from my son's domain: http://www.thetyrant.net:888/desk/P1010136.JPG My desk uses Husky tool drawers, but for my son, we made some nice drawers. 8 feet wide desk , and notice the keyboard tray. That's my innovation. It's like a second desk surface for twice the junk, and can accommodate 3 keyboards, while allowing the main desk surface to become completely occupied with junk without interfering with mouse or keyboards. Usually I use synergy and one keyboard/mouse to pilot multiple computers. Lately, I've been Joe the Plumber, re-working my heating system. Still catching up on home-owner projects. Someday Photography will re-emerge. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 03:27:59 2008 Received: (qmail 15318 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 02:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 02:27:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DA2C32D3; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:27:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:27:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A5BC2FBC for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:27:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50873 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KwpAP-0000lB-Mn for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:27:46 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:27:44 -0500 Subject: [OM] Re: A terrible admission From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: A terrible admission Thread-Index: Ack9W8Cj/vNfaKlOEd20YgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <490E5F8A.5040603@adinet.com.uy> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 03:27:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e61af265614673671140 No, someone gave an OM-3Ti to AG Schnozz, not me...lol -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 11/2/08 9:18 PM, "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" wrote: > > Thought he had done that already ... I like dinosaurs too. > > Fernando. > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> Beautiful photo. You won't need that old, outdated, worthless dinosaur film >> camera anymore, so you should send it to me. The lenses too :) >> >> >> >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 03:33:23 2008 Received: (qmail 25847 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 02:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 02:33:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECEAC290D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:33:11 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:33:11 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DA8C2D03 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:33:09 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 30512 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 02:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 02:33:08 -0000 Message-ID: <490E62E3.8080504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:33:07 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> <1A6E68B1-7CD2-4037-A202-0223737A2E74@threeshoes.net> <54E86C8C-5409-47E8-8107-E60D8AB24310@people.net.au> <901b226d0811020657g6026af8fkdd6e1a32ecd81e88@mail.gmail.com> <763A2750-D1B5-4438-AD0C-49884F30081C@people.net.au> <84045349-6337-42B3-A9C5-E459ECE4E68A@mailcan.com> In-Reply-To: <84045349-6337-42B3-A9C5-E459ECE4E68A@mailcan.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 03:33:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e62f3313371529615919 Very tricky there using your wide angle lens to accentuate the foreground papers and try to give the appearance of messiness when none is actually present. :-) Chuck Norcutt James R wrote: > Well I only qualify on the dual use - I have to make do with the back > end of our sitting room. The shear stuff aspect would have been > greater pre-tax season as I hadn't sorted out papers for over a year > (the tail end of it all is to the fore). > > And I would score pretty highly in the sore neck stakes if that was a > category, hence the contraptions that's labelled a chair by some. > > http://gallery.me.com/jamesroyall#100178 > > > > On 2 Nov 2008, at 20:33, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> Only one grand prize I think and the judging criteria have already >> started to appear - >> - The sheer quantity of 'stuff' - papers, bits of camera, whatever. >> (Ian's missus?) >> - The number of peripherals, especially if they have stuff heaped on >> them. And cabling. >> - Quantity of shelving and cabinets, especially if nothing is filed >> and there's no order. >> - Imaginative use of old, decrepit or inappropriate furniture. >> - Difficulties overcome - I like Chris' 5ft ceiling, for instance. >> - Multiple use - Bob's is obviously a spare bedroom and Laundry as >> well. >> >> A screen shot of someone else's desk is necessary. >> Special mention for imaginative use of companion animal. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 03/11/2008, at 1:57 AM, J. Van Brimmer wrote: >> >>> No problem. It's all fun. :-) >>> >>> >>> Now, I want to know when the official judging will begin. OK, who >>> will >>> be the judge and what will the categories be? >>> >>> We could have a single judge, or take a vote, and here's a couple of >>> categories for starters: >>> >>> 1. The tidiest (In the literal sense of the word) >>> >>> 2. The messiest (Literally) >>> >>> 3. ? (Surely there's more) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> jv >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Andrew Fildes >>> wrote: >>>> Whoops - abused the wrong guy. Sorry. >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> That's 'altitudinally challenged' - you of all people should know >>>> that. Vertically challenged means that you keep falling over. An >>>> early symptom is the inability to get a level horizon in landscapes. >>>> Andrew Fildes >>>> afildes@people.net.au >>>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 03:35:56 2008 Received: (qmail 28649 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 02:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 02:35:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1769C31FF; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:35:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:35:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10BEC318D for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:35:42 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 31328 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 02:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 02:35:42 -0000 Message-ID: <490E637E.3070707@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:35:42 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A terrible admission References: <5513.59893.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <5513.59893.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 03:35:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e638c187881591313764 I like the pink relfections off the water in the foreground... especially along the shoreline. Chuck Norcutt John Morton wrote: > Okay - I did it. > > I carefully packed away my favorite camera, the Olympus OM-4 T. I set > aside my E510, and all of my wonderful Zuiko glass. > > I bought a MiGon D700 full frame dSLR. > > Very nice; here's the Fraser River at sunset, in an HDR image shown > as actual pixels (cropped image) and as full frame (smaller image). > > http://originofwriting.com/D700/FraserRiver.html > > John Morton > > http://OriginOfWriting.com > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 03:52:57 2008 Received: (qmail 15707 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 02:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 02:52:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8FFC33E2; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:52:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:52:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F2CC304A for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:52:44 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 5178 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 02:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 02:52:43 -0000 Message-ID: <490E677B.3020605@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:52:43 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] References: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> <898D698D-93AD-47CB-A716-5EE6A019176B@mailcan.com> <490C52A9.6010101@chucknorcutt.com> <490C57C2.6030306@chucknorcutt.com> <490E39B0.1090104@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <490E39B0.1090104@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 03:52:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e6789168989347015869 For Moose images #19 appears a little undersaturated and #17 even more so. But that aside they appear to be fine scans. I have a newly acquired V700 but I have yet to scan a single piece of film. However, I can attest to the use of film height adjusters in the film holders. These are little plastic buttons about 10x20mm that snap into the holder frame at four points near the periphery. The adjusters can be left out or installed in one of two positions which is determined by rotating the adjuster 180 degrees. When the adjuster is out the film height is 2.5mm above the scanner window. Installing the adjusters raises the height to either 3.0 or 3.5mm depending on position. I've seen some sample scans with the adjusters in different positions but I'm hard pressed to see much of a difference in the scans. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Ken Norton wrote: > >> I'm agreeing with Chuck, here. > > And I'm agreeing with you [cataclysmic music as image of Earth being > torn apart as it drops into a black hole. :-) ] - and with Chuck. > >> Group B illustrates several film "problems". >> > > It's just film, focus, lens, camera (mirror slap?, ?), steadiness, > and/or scan problem or a combination of those factors that results in an > image far worse than it should be to be used as an exemplar of its type. > > I don't have a V700. However, before buying a Canon 9950F, I looked > closely at the reviews of both at photo-i. I came to the conclusion that > the V700 might be capable of just a shade more detail resolution, but > that the difference was so small as to mean nothing in practical use. My > sense was that dynamic range was essentially the same. I picked the > Canon based on other factors. > > I've scanned Portra 400NC and it's way better than this image would > indicate. I just scanned some on the 9950F @ 2400 dpi, using VueScan. > This is the original 400NC, not the new stuff that I understand scans > even better. 35mm film scanned using an ICC color profile I made with > VueScan and an IT8 target. They were then downsampled using FM SI Pro to > the same effective dpi as Wayne's group B image. > > As I and others have explained before, all digitally captured images, > including film scans, require sharpening to make all the detail they > capture visible. This is even more the case with flatbed scanners than > dedicated film scanners. So these images have been sharpened in two > steps, once as part of NR using NeatImage and once using FM > IntelliSharpen II. I also made a small Curves adjustment. > > I don't have any 400NC images of crowds of people, but I do have them of > crowds of foliage and flowers, > > and. > > > I don't know for sure, but I'd guess these would compare pretty > favorably with images taken at the same time with an E-510. Proper > comparison images from 6x7 400NC should beat them both for detail. I > also scanned them @ 4800 dpi. Downsized to the same size and similarly > processed, one 4800dpi scan had a little more detail and the other about > the same as the lower rez scans. > >> Number one issue that I see is a narrow Dmax scan which forced noise in the shadows to increase too greatly. It looks like the scanner was underexposing and Vuescan's curves adjustment (most likely auto) was correcting things so much you didn't see where the actual scan exposure was actually at. We must remember that a digital scanner is a digital camera with the same requirements and limitations in exposure that any digital camera has. >> > > It looks to me like the Black Point may not have been at 0%. I've found > that scanning color neg. film on the 9950F, setting Black Point above 0% > does troublesome things to deep shadow. It also appears White Point may > have been off, leading to blocked highlights. With Vuescan and CN film, > I've found that using Neutral Color Balance setting, BP of 0% and WP of > 0-0.1% generally gives a nice distribution of tonal range across the > histogram. Sometimes, specular or other really out of range highlights > will require either WP up to almost 1% and/or adjustment of the > Brightness setting to put mid tones where they belong. > >> The second thing I noticed was an incorrect adjustment for the film base. When scanning negative color films, one must not just go for balancing the mid-tones, but also balance for a different gamma across the entire >> spectrum. Some scanner software does this better than others and I've pulled much hair out (I have plenty more) attempting to get good scans from color negs with Vuescan. This is one area where the Nikon Scan software does a phenominal job and saves me much grief. >> > > I'm not sure why some people seem to have so much trouble scanning CN > film with VueScan. Perhaps in not understanding that the process and > settings really need to be different? Maybe because the reversal > reverses highlight and shadow issues? Base colors? > > You can get good results for the film base either with the built in > adjustments for many older Kodak films, or by sampling a piece of clear > base within VueScan for any film. > > The real solution to the larger issue of gamma and film toes and > shoulders, from my perspective, is ICC profiles. These may be built > using existing film base settings, where they exist in VueScan. For > those and all other films, setting film film base to generic both when > making the profile and when scanning film using it will correct for both > base and curve at once. > > The above images look pretty true to life to me with no color adjustment > at all after scanning with a profile. As 160NC and 400NC are carefully > balanced by Kodak to have the same color characteristics, I use a > profile from 160NC for both. > >> The third thing that jumped out at me is the yellow cast in Group B. This may be totally related to my second observation, but it could also be due to the notorious yellowing of the old Mamiya lenses. I noticed that this was an RB67 shot, but you did not reveal the vintage of the lens. (or maybe you did, and I just don't know my model descriptions well enough. From experience with my classic silver-nosed Zuikos, this yellowing does actually affect the reds and not necessarily in a positive way. >> > > Once again, it would be possible to make separate profiles for lenses > with different color characteristics. I know it may sound like a pain, > but it's really quite easy and the advantages of time saved in scanning > and post and the increased color accuracy are enormous. > >> Through minimal adjustments I can get Group B to mimick Group A, but the noise in Groub B is outrageous. I come back around to a bad scan. What you are seeing is NOT grain, but noise. A 2400dpi scan of Portra 400NC is not going to have enough grain to be an issue--especially in a downsized image. >> > > I agree, it's not grain. What combination of scanning software settings > and post processing created it I don't know. Even at full pixel, > 4800dpi, the grain is modest and easily corrected, if desired. > >> I also question the focus accuracy of the scanner. This reminds me of scans I got with my old Coolscan II. > I do seem to recall some discussion of such issues with height spacers and/or film holders on the V7xx scanners. As with their film scanners, Canons don't seem to have DOF issues. > > >> Of course, Wayne could be yanking our chain. >> > If so, it worked. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 04:37:26 2008 Received: (qmail 1553 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 03:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 03:37:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A72AC2AFB; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:37:15 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:37:15 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7BBC2DB6 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:37:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3E12244BE0 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:37:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BjDplpLHhUao for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DD72244BCC for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:37:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081103023631.C12B3C3205@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:37:08 -0800 References: <20081103023631.C12B3C3205@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 04:37:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e71f6114942070262475 Bless this mess... AADD strikes again... http://www.bytesmiths.com/images/_B022269.jpg :::: I'm working on a plan for spontaneity. :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 05:41:29 2008 Received: (qmail 10387 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 04:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 04:41:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB86EC363C; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:41:18 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 05:41:18 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C824C36CC for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:41:18 +0100 (CET) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so1095757ele.8 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:41:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=0gecDfEZvtwTKDsRuDvcWBcJ3Xyth+jsFm6GihFCxz4=; b=B+wnLmplhIyQoxtLR+bs1fA9HdqdFQ+B16dlxckEqy0tyLiUB78G1G9k6x2W1O4+Ow R1h4Fg86C9k27cV1G1ohpGrtRrsTf5+H+rCW8UhbEV0HrmuHB8eclh6TGTgxHiO2IW2M ViZlfRYIwsCOfPixUhDz4eTHotZAWktcHaOn0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=oFS/gqrsQ7pouZoWAyMHYsxLhkZy3dN/trmJ7xXXCfyPbU7biS73oYK5S8RejP2r/S /23DSqt8VYNk6+R2sFOvvSPTBBpQ28BxJtCGW0UBlT57rTtneNNf2g4LieqBDwNR57SB +uGsG2mrUx3tWQPtDNEzs2BNNsnReZ8RF4S8M= Received: by 10.150.54.1 with SMTP id c1mr26218747yba.62.1225687277474; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:41:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.11.10 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:41:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <901b226d0811022041l6d63b3ccv8488a1f3ca032135@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:41:17 -0800 From: "\"J. Van Brimmer\"" Sender: jerry.vb@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081103023631.C12B3C3205@ml.free.fr> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e6799a24a01e9ff1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 05:41:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e80f9277271257536491 Absolutely gorgeous! On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > > Bless this mess... AADD strikes again... > http://www.bytesmiths.com/images/_B022269.jpg > > :::: I'm working on a plan for spontaneity. :::: > :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 05:54:02 2008 Received: (qmail 4061 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 04:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 04:54:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B0DC28BB; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:53:50 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 05:53:50 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE3FC2821 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:53:50 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 10395 invoked by uid 502); 3 Nov 2008 04:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.0.69) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 04:53:42 -0000 Message-ID: <490E83D3.9060405@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:53:39 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] References: <1255E1EC58F449C189C3773451C1FEAB@meo.dec.com> <898D698D-93AD-47CB-A716-5EE6A019176B@mailcan.com> <490C52A9.6010101@chucknorcutt.com> <490C57C2.6030306@chucknorcutt.com> <490E39B0.1090104@gmail.com> <490E677B.3020605@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <490E677B.3020605@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 05:54:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e83ea213641585427447 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > For Moose images #19 appears a little undersaturated and #17 even more so. I intentionally made no color adjustments, as part of the point was to show how well a scan can come straight out of the scanner using VueScan and ICC profile. Nevertheless, I think they are pretty true to the subjects. Neither plant has bright green foliage, both soft colored, with a bit of grayishness. Likewise, the flowers seem natural to one who sees them regularly. They could certainly be enlivened with a bit of saturation boost. Oddly enough, I very seldom make saturation adjustments. LCE generally has a similar effect on color brilliance. I need LCE less often on ICC profile scans than other images, and didn't use it here. > But that aside they appear to be fine scans. > Thanks. The 9950F is not quite up to the FS4000 film scanner in fine detail, higher nominal resolution or not. And its scans require more/different sharpening. But for most purposes, it's quite satisfactory. With the older films I primarily bought it to scan, I don't suppose there is any difference. From Vincent's reviews of the two, I can't imagine the V700 won't be comparable. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 06:05:45 2008 Received: (qmail 11331 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 05:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 05:05:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F344C3174; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:05:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:05:32 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DF6C3448 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:04:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-104-115-140.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.115.140]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA350LjK010152 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:00:31 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:00:18 +1100 Message-ID: <96FCAA5B19BE4BB7988866B14B1176F0@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <490E677B.3020605@chucknorcutt.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Ack9X0cNpGA0WnvFQSmgA7luR3Og6AADq8og Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 06:05:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e86a9249331035110158 > > I have a newly acquired V700 but I have yet to scan a single piece of > film. However, I can attest to the use of film height > adjusters in the > film holders. These are little plastic buttons about 10x20mm > that snap > into the holder frame at four points near the periphery. The > adjusters > can be left out or installed in one of two positions which is > determined > by rotating the adjuster 180 degrees. When the adjuster is > out the film > height is 2.5mm above the scanner window. Installing the adjusters > raises the height to either 3.0 or 3.5mm depending on position. I've > seen some sample scans with the adjusters in different > positions but I'm > hard pressed to see much of a difference in the scans. > I went through the exercise of doing test scans with the various combinations of spacers and didn't notice a great difference between positions however I could detect some difference. With 120/220 film there can easily be a sag of 2mm from the edges to the centre of the frame, so that adds another variable. Good luck in your quest ! ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 06:29:11 2008 Received: (qmail 28539 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 05:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 05:29:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B397DC2DCD; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:29:00 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:29:00 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id BD32BC348D for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:28:58 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 7268 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 05:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 05:28:54 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20081103023631.C12B3C3205@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <30B3C11E-1D33-48F8-BB4A-9FCA8A1829D9@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:28:51 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 06:29:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e8c27188494673671140 That's SPECTACULAR! As far as I can see, here is no way to insert yourself into that work station apart from climbing in through the window. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/11/2008, at 2:37 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > > Bless this mess... AADD strikes again... > http://www.bytesmiths.com/images/_B022269.jpg > > :::: I'm working on a plan for spontaneity. :::: > :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 07:05:47 2008 Received: (qmail 4859 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 06:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 06:05:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E793C2869; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:05:35 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:05:35 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C75C285F for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:05:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A924616A6 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:21:36 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <47C2F15C-4998-4B86-8A45-7752338E5665@mailcan.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:05:34 +0000 References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> <406FE070-78D1-43DA-B262-B43E8DC4FCBE@threeshoes.net> <901b226d0811020112k37ea1a90p76070f3ffa6c8075@mail.gmail.com> <1A6E68B1-7CD2-4037-A202-0223737A2E74@threeshoes.net> <54E86C8C-5409-47E8-8107-E60D8AB24310@people.net.au> <901b226d0811020657g6026af8fkdd6e1a32ecd81e88@mail.gmail.com> <763A2750-D1B5-4438-AD0C-49884F30081C@people.net.au> <84045349-6337-42B3-A9C5-E459ECE4E68A@mailcan.com> <47C2F15C-4998-4B86-8A45-7752338E5665@mailcan.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 07:05:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e94bb67742046811720 heh! I wasn't going to mention it, but perhaps Piers might have ...:-) That looks like a comfortable and stylish sitting room. Chris On 2 Nov 2008, at 23:00, James R wrote: > > Make that sheer... nothing shorn. > > On 2 Nov 2008, at 22:47, James R wrote: > >> >> Well I only qualify on the dual use - I have to make do with the back >> end of our sitting room. The shear stuff aspect would have been >> greater pre-tax season as I hadn't sorted out papers for over a year >> (the tail end of it all is to the fore). >> >> And I would score pretty highly in the sore neck stakes if that was a >> category, hence the contraptions that's labelled a chair by some. >> >> http://gallery.me.com/jamesroyall#100178 > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 07:07:21 2008 Received: (qmail 27156 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 06:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 06:07:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2225AC27BF; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:07:09 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:07:09 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F5DC31C0 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:07:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1764616A6 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:23:10 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <64732ECF-BFD9-4EAA-A2D3-13C1214719E4@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:07:07 +0000 References: <20081103023631.C12B3C3205@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 07:07:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e9519232322336821329 Bless it, indeed, Jan. Is that a redundant Apple Display lying on its back? Chris On 3 Nov 2008, at 03:37, Jan Steinman wrote: > Bless this mess... AADD strikes again... > http://www.bytesmiths.com/images/_B022269.jpg ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 07:25:21 2008 Received: (qmail 16088 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 06:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 06:25:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867F8C3CF9; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:25:07 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:25:07 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51665C3CAC for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:24:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 03 Nov 2008 17:24:29 +1100 Message-ID: <100-1c990e49-38960.007@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:24:28 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20081103023631.C12B3C3205@ml.free.fr> <20081103023631.C12B3C3205@ml.free.fr> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 07:25:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490e995171651234514069 Hi Jan, > http://www.bytesmiths.com/images/_B022269.jpg A Roland plotter, what fond memories :-) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ PCMCIA (People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 10:27:04 2008 Received: (qmail 30489 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 09:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 09:27:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E711AC3953; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:26:52 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:26:52 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD4BC38C7 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:26:51 +0100 (CET) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so677769eyd.5 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:26:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:mime-version :subject:date:references; bh=ZMrewz4mh0xyPwjRAfW1iEJicAvZ7l/Toosvv7vSFGg=; b=M2BBXuIpwr72Ggk4HrykgOs2YxNQBfWZfXxCz2IaLmmo+zBBUZglJeVMM1V7R+Qg4i XTr6aVAxSKPdpeW9kJLcjmPdJK5ISZRGI8rz6rsS7tAFrCAQ6Pw1Mz74aWCSLiYHrj1d SruXPsMlRQKiPDyLBNaikU1GIBKfrCLuSQ0pU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :mime-version:subject:date:references; b=sBA9PJPgMtQ0HLzLltdEVXilY/IKehiP9E9+p4wajDmrWDzHanOFpR/zCTvkyNbsj2 xj52cbbsnNLeHRegoZ6grUYL3IBKhY2lSH0LcRW1xMJX2vib0IlVD5nH5f2ayCmawafj OngIE/T5PzxhWspRLaRc16HcOlLNHTAiLWcW4= Received: by 10.210.73.12 with SMTP id v12mr3614381eba.184.1225704411687; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.12? ([87.127.137.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t2sm13766244gve.5.2008.11.03.01.26.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:26:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: My Gmail To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5F136) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5F136) Subject: [OM] Still FS E420 + Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:27:05 +0000 References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 10:27:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490ec3e8308251529615919 Ok, how about £300? The software etc is still in the box, all the cables, charger etc are untouched-I only extracted the camera, lens and battery... The spare battery is from jessops and the extra charger is a handy Hahnel job adaptable for all Oly batteries including the E1, E500... Tom Sent from my iPhone > > Hi all. > > Anybody want to try an E420? I am offering mine, with 25/2.8, spare > battery with car/mains charger, box, instructions, etc etc, top > notch condition, say £330 including uk shipping? > > Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 13:09:31 2008 Received: (qmail 6823 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 12:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 12:09:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28FAC3C1B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:09:18 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:09:18 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0E3C36CA for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:09:18 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 15504 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 12:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 12:09:17 -0000 Message-ID: <490EE9EC.2080906@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:09:16 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] References: <96FCAA5B19BE4BB7988866B14B1176F0@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: <96FCAA5B19BE4BB7988866B14B1176F0@meo.dec.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 13:09:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490ee9fb163869347015869 Stick a small 2-3mm thick support near the center of the frame. Scan once, move the support and scan again. Then combine the images in PS. :-) Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > > I went through the exercise of doing test scans with the various > combinations of spacers and didn't notice a great difference between > positions however I could detect some difference. With 120/220 film there > can easily be a sag of 2mm from the edges to the centre of the frame, so > that adds another variable. 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Van Brimmer\"" Sender: jerry.vb@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081103023631.C12B3C3205@ml.free.fr> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b062dd76a6420a2a X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 13:25:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490eedd0205297350615338 Oh my gosh! Is that a, a, a, um, ..... enlarger I see on the right side there? And I love the power strip standing vertically, in the center foreground. Love it! -- jv On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > > Bless this mess... 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3 Nov 2008 13:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 13:09:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450DBC39D3; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:09:39 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:09:39 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD09C3B8A for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:09:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9R00M6JDOWWR41@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:05:20 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-90.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.90]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:20:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:05:18 -0400 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; 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Yuk. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jez Cunningham" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:43 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > Glad to say this is not my desk... > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WiXQ48-Pn6H977OBpHY4Hw?authkey=hjEB5lmSj-k > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 14:24:43 2008 Received: (qmail 5180 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 13:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 13:24:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943FFC2F4B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:24:31 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:24:31 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8FEC2C2D for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:24:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9R00G2CEKTAAY3@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:24:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:24:37 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 14:24:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490efb9b106071257536491 Anyone here using American Express recently discover their credit limit has been cut way way back and AE won't explain why? AE used to the "no limits" cc. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 14:45:01 2008 Received: (qmail 31596 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 13:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 13:45:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D35C2CE9; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:44:49 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:44:49 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8843BC2912 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:44:47 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 6765 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 13:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 13:44:46 -0000 Message-ID: <490F004D.8020402@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:44:45 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 14:45:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f005d264014673671140 It's probably happening all over the place. Anyone lending money these days is taking steps to limit their exposure. Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > Anyone here using American Express recently discover their credit limit > has been cut way way back and AE won't explain why? AE used to the "no > limits" cc. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 15:13:03 2008 Received: (qmail 18181 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 14:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 14:13:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F475C38FA; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:12:51 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:12:51 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD43C38DC for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:12:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9R00KXDGT70FF4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:12:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:12:51 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: The film guys .... In-reply-to: <490BE52A.8040600@gmail.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <490F06E3.7080102@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <119922.95075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F2CC63A3CF3494994C5D70C64FF9F6F@hudson> <027701c93b4c$9b02b910$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840810311415u4f1bab5bma6105f9a8f24873c@mail.gmail.com> <490B7FB2.5000706@gmail.com> <55598D14-6D16-40AF-AC55-FC8B06501A5B@people.net.au> <490BCF85.9010709@ctgonline.org> <490BE52A.8040600@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 15:13:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f06ef33751257536491 My first 45 may have been "The Martian Hop". First album Jan & Dean "Drag City". ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: >>>> Jez Cunningham wrote: >>>>> Telstar - first 45 I ever bought... >>>>> Another old fart > > The first vinyl "single" I owned ("45"? Never called them that. I don't > really know whether a "45" *is* a vinyl single) was Mi-Sex's "Space > Race"...or maybe Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust". The first album I > owned (with my sister) was on tape, and was ABBA's "Arrival". The first > album and "LP" I owned (by myself) was either KISS's "Dynasty", or > Devo's "Freedom of Choice" or Devo's "DEV-O Live". Everything's a bit hazy. > > I'm not ashamed, so don't bother. ;) They all are still in existence, > though stored at Mum's place. > > Cheers, > Marc > http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 15:34:44 2008 Received: (qmail 31789 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 14:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 14:34:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855A3C31FE; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:34:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:34:32 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DC7C3C32 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:34:31 +0100 (CET) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i50so1826369rne.11 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:34:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Wwiuwyk4J1mDpItMMTn+YYNyo/oM6h6Z8x0v4d2gF58=; b=ksnSYFateMMjayD5Y3DxAO2ZHWdMD5HVz8HijxvDqYvHXJ/+lOTOmSv/AZ8bSEH3H8 zBapGZLf35p8SehMoHarJBVJyk0GzWr04FBaDfB45eN9nGVC6EdxH+FqdEQmKjBtoigw WuqPD/kCgNGRv4N4PEj80uDYTPaT3PNE+BPe0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=GKQe8rUNkZk/WU6jNJzbneohlyau8ZzBNlRZnt2E0wN99szPuIsakBK4Dq8hY0lLSe NtODC0YP2DeX+O8TY4Mhp3unlFTB9MSqCnj3YWfA1vhPthvTdr1SBMT8gbMTqnLxDbtZ PBQ7OQJC0uC0NV1WsO2lyjw+HjrH3W24g1gN8= Received: by 10.90.50.5 with SMTP id x5mr92475agx.92.1225722871245; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.36.11 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:34:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:34:31 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] In-Reply-To: <490EE9EC.2080906@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <96FCAA5B19BE4BB7988866B14B1176F0@meo.dec.com> <490EE9EC.2080906@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 40be5cd3fb42b7c4 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 15:34:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f0c04173321585427447 >Stick a small 2-3mm thick support near the center of the frame. Scan >once, move the support and scan again. Then combine the images in PS. :-) I am at a loss as to why the negs are held flat against the glass? AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 15:35:28 2008 Received: (qmail 32198 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 14:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 14:35:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C709C3CB1; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:35:17 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:35:17 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88C0C2FDD for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:35:16 +0100 (CET) X-Trace: 98782863/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.75.158.52/None/jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.75.158.52 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-MUA: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsEAHCbDklPS540/2dsb2JhbACNILxYg1I X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,536,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="98782863" Received: from 79-75-158-52.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO MEDIAPC) ([79.75.158.52]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2008 14:35:15 +0000 From: "Jon Mitchell" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:35:29 -0000 Message-ID: <001201c93dc1$6b92b910$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081102-0, 02/11/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jon@jonmitch.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 15:35:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f0c30163629117217770 ... and a "Post-It" note on the bottom of the screen, with the names of 6 list members on it .... (Click the "Original" button on the page to get the full size image - you can see much more detail) And to answer Andrew's question, the camera by the Epson 4990 scanner is a Fuji Finepix. I think the camera on the pile of paper on the desk is also a Fuji but I can't be sure. Jon -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Timpe, Jim Sent: 30 October 2008 21:29 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Great shot! Nathan's image on your screen, and your own version of a seat cushion as well. This is good stuff. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 15:39:06 2008 Received: (qmail 18129 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 14:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 14:39:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2485AC3EEC; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:38:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:38:54 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F45EC3AF2 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:38:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <10869930.29481225723607329.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-44-122.iburst.co.za ([41.213.44.122]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 142 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:46:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:38:38 +0200 References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 15:39:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f0d0a197211529615919 Just out of interest's sake, One of the reasons why South Africa is weathering this economic storm quite well (there appears to be no crisis whatsoever in our financial services sector) is because we have very strict credit laws - I have never seen a "no limit" credit card here, and last year with revised laws it just became 10x more difficult to loan money. Anybody in the loans business has to comply with strict regulations in ensuring the borrower could actually pay back the debt with some reasonable certainty, and in any advertising they have to give a full break-down of what the *real* costs would be to the consumer, so they can't hide stuff like huge balloon payments at the end of a car lease with seemingly low monthly payments, they actually have to lay it all bare in the advertising. Strangely, South Africa does have a huge problem with house-hold debt, and I think that is largely due to the fact that many people, after our country became democratic, had access to good jobs and money loans. This is not at all racist statement, but the previously disadvantaged people in our country (i.e. the black people) obviously had to "over-compensate" for their past by going a bit overboard with the status symbols (I understand Russia is going through a very similar thing after the fall of communism) and that, together with our country's aggressive implementation of affirmative action (putting black people in prime job positions based on race instead of merit) has created quite a problem with house-hold debt, and furthermore it has created a bigger gap than there ever was (between the rich and the poor). So we have a different kind of crisis to solve here, and there are major problems with society (such as the terrible crime, of which you know I was a victim a few weeks back) - but our economic sector itself (banks, etc) are in great shape. Yet, our currency has tumbled against the US dollar because all the investors are pulling money out of emerging markets, and pooling it back in the U.S. Very unfair, since our economic sector is so much healthier than the US or EU's! Anyway, just a bit of info on what's happening over here. This economic crisis is very interesting. Ours is couple with a political crisis, which will all contribute to making the mid-term future very interesting/challenging over here. We have to keep our international options open! Luckily (for any of you software guys out there) MagicDraw UML has decided to adopt/support the business design process (called URDAD) my colleague and I had invented, so this will be great for a foot in the door of the international software market. In the meantime, I am enjoying my OM-1n :-) The 'new' darkroom will be in a state to develop film in the next couple of days, then I shall post results. enjoy life, Dawid On 03 Nov 2008, at 3:24 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > > Anyone here using American Express recently discover their credit > limit > has been cut way way back and AE won't explain why? AE used to the > "no > limits" cc. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 15:51:39 2008 Received: (qmail 5987 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 14:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 14:51:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17AB6C2E11; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:51:27 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:51:27 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE32C31D6 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:51:26 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 21042 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 14:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 14:51:25 -0000 Message-ID: <490F0FED.3010709@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:51:25 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] References: <96FCAA5B19BE4BB7988866B14B1176F0@meo.dec.com> <490EE9EC.2080906@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 15:51:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f0ffb61881499373980 I think you must have meant "aren't held flat against the glass". I think the answer is that they can't be and also be held in a frame. The frame has to have some thickness and in the case of the V700 it's 2.5mm from bottom of frame to film surface. But another more interesting question is why adjustment of +/- 1/2mm is significant. It's my understanding that flat beds typically have good depth of field over about 1/2" above the surface of the glass. I don't know why the V700 is any different. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Stick a small 2-3mm thick support near the center of the frame. Scan >> once, move the support and scan again. Then combine the images in PS. :-) > > > I am at a loss as to why the negs are held flat against the glass? > > AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 15:55:41 2008 Received: (qmail 16234 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 14:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 14:55:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB25C382A; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:55:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:55:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46613C3905 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:55:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19202373.29501225724603619.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-44-122.iburst.co.za ([41.213.44.122]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 657 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:03:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Best focusing screen for low-light / shallow DOF Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:55:19 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 15:55:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f10ed55091035110158 Hi All, What would you consider the best focusing screen (for focusing accuracy on the matte area, especially towards the edges of the frame) ? Especially with the 50mm f/1.4, although my other two most-used lenses is the 24/2.0 and 90/2.0 macro. The standard prism/microprism/matte screen is OK, but it's not great on the matte area, I am used to much more precise Canon 1-series matte focusing screens (surely matte- screen technology has evolved since the seventies). I am having a hard time seeing the 'sharp' plane of focus towards the edges of the screen. If it doesn't mess up the light-meter reading, all the better, although I do use incident metering 90% of the time in anyway, so it's no big deal. Should I be looking Olympus, or are other screens like Beattie Intenscreen better? thanks for any advice, Dawid ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 15:59:43 2008 Received: (qmail 5256 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 14:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 14:59:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE741C3C05; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:59:31 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:59:31 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9673FC355F for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:59:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9R00HGHIZ6P9P7@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:59:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:59:38 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-reply-to: <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <490F11DA.9070602@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 15:59:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f11df308921499373980 Very similar to mine, I hesitate to put up actual evidence. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Bob Docherty wrote: > Sorry folks, > I believe I have you all beat.... > > http://www.bobdocherty.com/Slob.jpg > > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Fildes" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:21 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > >> Mess? - here's mine. There's a Wacom tablet under there somewhere - I >> think. >> http://www.pbase.com/image/105268441/large >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 31/10/2008, at 7:37 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> >>> Just a snapshot of my "kingdom", the only room in the house where >>> SWMBO permits me to have my kind of mess. This is the place from which >>> I post the vast majority of my pictures: >>> >>> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#406123756_Yoohs-O-LB > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 15:59:58 2008 Received: (qmail 188 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 14:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 14:59:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0EFC3AC7; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:59:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:59:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000EBC38FC for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:59:44 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 26752 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 14:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 14:59:44 -0000 Message-ID: <490F11E0.2030104@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:59:44 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] References: <96FCAA5B19BE4BB7988866B14B1176F0@meo.dec.com> <490EE9EC.2080906@chucknorcutt.com> <490F0FED.3010709@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <490F0FED.3010709@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 15:59:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f11ee179891035110158 I think I may have answered my own question now that I've put it into words and cogitated on it for a moment. Statements about good depth of field over a range of 1/2" above the surface of the glass have to do with scanning solid objects resting on the glass... things like pencils for example. But these objects are being scanned at modest resolutions since the scan of the object is already life size. 300 ppi could make a good life size print. Scanning film, on the other hand, may be done at 3-4000 ppi or even higher which would place a much more severe constraint on depth of field. Anyhow, that's my guess. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I think you must have meant "aren't held flat against the glass". I > think the answer is that they can't be and also be held in a frame. The > frame has to have some thickness and in the case of the V700 it's 2.5mm > from bottom of frame to film surface. But another more interesting > question is why adjustment of +/- 1/2mm is significant. It's my > understanding that flat beds typically have good depth of field over > about 1/2" above the surface of the glass. I don't know why the V700 is > any different. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Ken Norton wrote: >>> Stick a small 2-3mm thick support near the center of the frame. Scan >>> once, move the support and scan again. Then combine the images in PS. :-) >> >> I am at a loss as to why the negs are held flat against the glass? >> >> AG > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 16:31:43 2008 Received: (qmail 24765 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 15:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 15:31:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E05CC39E4; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:31:31 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:31:30 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E074EC4133 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:31:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCBC461727 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:47:08 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <109D0883-292A-488C-80D7-4408637C3FF3@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:31:05 +0000 References: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 16:31:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f195f252831869477228 That is a lovely colour, Jim. I don't think that we'll get those colours around the countryside in England. Chris On 2 Nov 2008, at 17:23, Jim Nichols wrote: > > Our Red Maple has reached peak color, and the leaves fall quickly. > From direct light, the leaves appear a dull red, but, when > backlighted, appear orange. > > Oly E-510, Zuiko 14-54, ISO 400, shot RAW, processed in Elements > 6.0, uploaded as TIFF file. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Red+Maple.tif.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 16:36:12 2008 Received: (qmail 21500 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 15:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 15:36:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF26C32D5; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:36:00 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:36:00 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8789C285A for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:36:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9R00E69KHUFW80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:32:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:32:26 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <490F198A.2010408@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081103023631.C12B3C3205@ml.free.fr> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 16:36:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f1a6c124963675314703 WOW! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jan Steinman wrote: > Bless this mess... AADD strikes again... > http://www.bytesmiths.com/images/_B022269.jpg > > :::: I'm working on a plan for spontaneity. :::: > :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 16:42:58 2008 Received: (qmail 15992 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 15:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 15:42:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC71AC3D85; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:42:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:42:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15067C39D3 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:42:46 +0100 (CET) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i50so1853886rne.11 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:42:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=n2Z6MocyZQqxdTY9RvomV8nIfffTzbzhxl/NsKkCB5I=; b=DOYY6vRZ7lMUk8Gd6IyUoORW21kwsbYXcTAJgT+rNeZCqQeEJ6PjRzerPLjXOGhbiw pz2Evvfl8rHDfWLOYcPN9bMYLv1n0PwSuY/W6ufK3hgqc+w+Gm65Cy+ZhcIGDYNIRf50 uJaXYp0HQF6Q09XN6RvHoZLUGVZOu9jpbLpQc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=AnmgGbNBNXw+uL2QZopy3LuycZ/7v+O8CK0KzKlATyuG8v7JNYOScjYXS1QVsI+Xo7 RO743dlfpb4tU4SynbhQdk+xCD7gJ2f1LLBSMl0kRsjQGW28Dsf17HVBo7rZ63GZ/xSu 7MiwXH3dfZY4lnxIqwBsO9JHYqon6CPbplOr8= Received: by 10.90.78.14 with SMTP id a14mr166572agb.26.1225726964964; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.36.11 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:42:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:42:44 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Best focusing screen for low-light / shallow DOF In-Reply-To: <19202373.29501225724603619.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <19202373.29501225724603619.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5cf0ed119a99b1bb X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 16:42:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f1c0291377350615338 The 1-4 or 2-4 screen would probably be the best choice. (I'm assuming OM body). The 1-series is darker and coarser. However, with wide-angles, it is also more accurate. There are a couple of lenses which will not easily focus on a 2-series screen, such as the 35/2. I struggle with the 35/2.8 and 24/2.8. The Tokina AT-X 35-70/2.8 was also extremely difficult to focus on a 2-series screen. The bokeh characteristics of the 1-series are MUCH more accurate to what is captured on the film. My OMs have 2-13 and 2-4 screens installed. The 2-series screens are so bright that the "matte" area is essentially the same brightness as the center split-image/microprism area. >From an artistic perspective, I prefer the 1-4 screen the most. But for usability, the 2-4 is much much better. However, for speedy operation (I use my cameras to photograph people activities too), the 2-13 is king. In the 2S, 3, 4, 3Ti, 4Ti, any screen works fine with no exposure compensation necessary as the metering is totally done within the mirror box. AG-Schnozz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 16:48:30 2008 Received: (qmail 19070 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 15:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 15:48:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3034FC349D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:48:18 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:48:18 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2B4C3189 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:48:17 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 30611 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 15:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 15:48:15 -0000 Message-ID: <490F1D3F.4040006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:48:15 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Best focusing screen for low-light / shallow DOF References: <19202373.29501225724603619.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <19202373.29501225724603619.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 16:48:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f1d4e9641591313764 Check here: The standard advice would be to use a 1-4 screen on an OM-1 or OM-2 and a 2-4 screen on an OM-2s and later bodies. The 2-4 screen is brighter than the 1-4 in order to compensate for the light lost to the metering sub-mirror on the later bodies. While not designed for the OM-1 and OM-2 the 2-4 screen can be used there by trimming the grip tab that's in a slightly different position to prevent its installation in the early cameras. The reason is that the meters on those cameras don't work properly with a 2-4 screen but the meter can be adjusted or you can compensate in other ways. If you want a 2-4 screen the big problem may be finding one. Just like the 2-13, they are rare and expensive. Another possibility. I don't know for sure but seem to recall that the (fixed) focusing screen in an OM-40 (OM-PC) is the equivalent of a 2-13 screen. A 2-13 is brighter like a 2-4 and has the same center focus aids as the standard 1-13 but that might not be a problem if your trouble is the outer edges of the frame. I just can't recall whether it's easily adapted or not but it certainly doesn't have a grip tab even if all the dimensions are correct. Dead OM-40/PC bodies can be had cheaply and robbed of their screens. I've never had a Beatty screen but I seem to recall that the surface is coarser. BTW, when was the last time you had your eyes checked? When I first got my OM-1 in about 1976 I could focus on anything. Today, even with glasses, I have to depend on autofocus for anything beyond hyperfocal methods. Good DOF frequently saves me from myself. Chuck Norcutt Dawid Loubser wrote: > Hi All, > > What would you consider the best focusing screen (for focusing > accuracy on the matte area, especially > towards the edges of the frame) ? Especially with the 50mm f/1.4, > although my other two most-used lenses > is the 24/2.0 and 90/2.0 macro. > > The standard prism/microprism/matte screen is OK, but it's not great > on the matte area, I am used to much > more precise Canon 1-series matte focusing screens (surely matte- > screen technology has evolved since > the seventies). I am having a hard time seeing the 'sharp' plane of > focus towards the edges of the screen. > > If it doesn't mess up the light-meter reading, all the better, > although I do use incident metering 90% > of the time in anyway, so it's no big deal. Should I be looking > Olympus, or are other screens like > Beattie Intenscreen better? > > thanks for any advice, > Dawid > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 16:56:05 2008 Received: (qmail 32211 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 15:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 15:56:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E310C42C0; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:55:50 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:55:50 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DE3C4281 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:55:48 +0100 (CET) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i50so1859507rne.11 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:55:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=eRTcmvrPyVeX3QY9c/P/79t08pprUg3o+fRKR1tY6oA=; b=bGXfRDmV9xx6XQnutX4s0n9hGvmuldiPooFsIMYsFTqxfgFKSBtIkVIsQHYvwwpANb H8tsxmp4thMXMgpwUIGIWiaTrqkayiIu3dOFf/1LOcC9XI7CBiSBYB5pRxp3XBwNnMX7 1M0eSoWNPCvMrJzGRIzuQ1WJEWUG5mllEhFNE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=IQxWRJCoP/Na/CsJ3IMNZDfX1GELeexWeWZKY4WnW4KilnFMkYFr/UkLGJXXAQNM2F ZeTSRvHSkMvwSt7ZXpF/pLxK+7P25J+1aN0m2miwZgE7mpMV88908PIDtBDtT6v94m76 zsLTfQIPVulsEOf0Bhghd+F1IAiZj+Qh4RA4A= Received: by 10.90.94.3 with SMTP id r3mr163034agb.73.1225727746691; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.36.11 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:55:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:55:46 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081103023631.C12B3C3205@ml.free.fr> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 81b438a416685cd1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 16:56:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f1f156171529615919 DING DING DING... WE HAVE A WINNER! http://www.bytesmiths.com/images/_B022269.jpg Is it my imagination or is that a 4x5 enlarger over on the right side just lurking there with no love? AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 17:20:26 2008 Received: (qmail 8773 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 16:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 16:20:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B3DC2E3C; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:20:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:20:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [207.115.11.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82F2C3449 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:20:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20081103162011H0200lve5ce>; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:20:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> <109D0883-292A-488C-80D7-4408637C3FF3@threeshoes.net> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:20:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 17:20:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f24ca137777350615338 Chris, Thanks for looking, and for the kind words. If such colors show up in England, I'm sure that GeeBee will find them. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:31 AM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple > > That is a lovely colour, Jim. I don't think that we'll get those > colours around the countryside in England. > > Chris > > On 2 Nov 2008, at 17:23, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> >> Our Red Maple has reached peak color, and the leaves fall quickly. >> From direct light, the leaves appear a dull red, but, when >> backlighted, appear orange. >> >> Oly E-510, Zuiko 14-54, ISO 400, shot RAW, processed in Elements >> 6.0, uploaded as TIFF file. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Red+Maple.tif.html > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 17:25:20 2008 Received: (qmail 20056 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 16:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 16:25:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E47C3144; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:25:09 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:25:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19BBC284A for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:25:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [158.154.2.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1A9D05AB for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:25:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <490F25E1.2090506@jevb.tuffmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:25:05 -0800 From: "J. Van Brimmer" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 17:25:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f25f0111069347015869 Yep - me too. John Hermanson wrote: > Anyone here using American Express recently discover their credit limit > has been cut way way back and AE won't explain why? AE used to the "no > limits" cc. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 17:28:58 2008 Received: (qmail 16683 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 16:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 16:28:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812AAC3487; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:28:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:28:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209C4C27C2 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:28:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9R00B7FN3W5X77@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:28:45 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:28:52 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Best focusing screen for low-light / shallow DOF To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <490F26C4.1090202@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 17:28:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f26ca123441744846740 Beatties and Olympus series 2 screens are exactly the same brightness. IMO, Olympus matte area is finer than Beattie. If you can find an Olympus 2 screen, it should be for less $ than a Beattie. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html On 11/3/2008 9:55:19 AM, Dawid Loubser (dawidl@solms.co.za) wrote: > Hi All, > > What would you consider the best focusing screen (for focusing > accuracy on the matte area, especially > towards the edges of the frame) ? Especially with the 50mm f/1.4, > although my other two most-used lenses > is the 24/2.0 and 90/2.0 macro. > > The standard prism/microprism/matte screen is OK, but > it's not great > on the matte area, I am used to much > more precise Canon 1-series matte focusing screens (surely matte- > screen technology has evolved since > the seventies). I am having a hard time seeing the 'sharp' plane of > focus towards the edges of the screen. > > If it doesn't > mess up the light-meter reading, all the better, > although I do use incident metering 90% > of the time in anyway, so it's no big deal. Should I be looking > Olympus, or are other screens like > Beattie Intenscreen better? > > thanks for any advice, > Dawid > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 17:35:53 2008 Received: (qmail 9793 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 16:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 16:35:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F6AC31EE; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:35:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:35:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C29C31DF for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:35:42 +0100 (CET) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so1212732nfi.19 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:35:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=UCitS/xu5oR7+enVENCguBbqp8KYUqZkAxpb/9ScW2k=; b=Tb08aRL1WsTtfTwk75oGQFoyZ8GLYDgJnECV3S8XuCxTJn9USW744z9pnvDSfTmu0S QBY0BVuhis3FJKkpyuUKpUZVL2AFenaWsV3wOUpT4IF06lFZ39SqaG4xCXqFZOmoNxsn 8HQsZqwwr3XsNoTbcw7pYwi0mUiNP67b3FBuM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=h29bXsCmLoqM3PBnNg7SCntybT0Gz0ZhnAYWkC8ssPBX62JRv2QEpCZiks95FHCg1i Z+4FoVzuHM79rzPTueg341diKKkS894sRRu6jkdyxnacnQQxC+XGe2mA1omcuECYwlhU xwtWtPvlef91cVNMAk3wO0C+taxBWIZKOkIgI= Received: by 10.210.59.3 with SMTP id h3mr320978eba.150.1225730141923; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:35:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:35:41 +0000 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081103023631.C12B3C3205@ml.free.fr> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 17:35:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f2869263341234514069 I was waiting for this one, having visited it... There's some very nice things in a cupboard just outside the door as well. Tom 2008/11/3 Ken Norton > > DING DING DING... WE HAVE A WINNER! > http://www.bytesmiths.com/images/_B022269.jpg > > > Is it my imagination or is that a 4x5 enlarger over on the right side just > lurking there with no love? > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 17:56:10 2008 Received: (qmail 28958 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 16:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 16:56:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB2BC397A; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:55:58 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:55:58 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351C4C2DB6 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:55:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <21069284.29611225731833851.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-44-122.iburst.co.za ([41.213.44.122]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 151 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:03:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <490F26C4.1090202@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Best focusing screen for low-light / shallow DOF Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:55:49 +0200 References: <490F26C4.1090202@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 17:56:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f2d2a151305368819438 Thanks for the replies, 'I will just have to try a couple (well, whichever ones I can lay my hands on) to see which suits my OM-1n the best. My eyes are actually still pretty good, basically 20/20 vision, and I manual-focused the notoriously difficult Canon EF 50mm f/1.2L perfectly with Canon's simply amazing Ec-S (super high precision matte for lenses faster than f/2.8) screen in my previous camera. I am just looking to get a bit closer to that experience, especially with the OM's infinitely better finder. I am going to look for a 2-series screen. John, I understand you can adjust the OM-1's meter to compensate somewhat for the different, non-sanctioned screens? (the ones with the tabs requiring to be modified). As I said, I do incident most of the time, but I would like to retain a fairly accurate meter. regards, Dawid On 03 Nov 2008, at 5:48 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > BTW, when was the last time you had your eyes checked? When I first > got > my OM-1 in about 1976 I could focus on anything. Today, even with > glasses, I have to depend on autofocus for anything beyond hyperfocal > methods. Good DOF frequently saves me from myself. On 03 Nov 2008, at 6:28 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > Beatties and Olympus series 2 screens are exactly the same brightness. > IMO, Olympus matte area is finer than Beattie. If you can find an > Olympus 2 screen, it should be for less $ than a Beattie. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 18:14:38 2008 Received: (qmail 24093 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 17:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 17:14:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E24C342D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:14:26 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:14:26 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6458CC3EAF for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:14:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4961C9B74 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:32:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <2E4A00E7-7737-4BA1-BDFD-8D98D1806FE6@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:14:24 +0000 References: <20081103023631.C12B3C3205@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 18:14:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f317e70201499373980 Well, there must be photos of the 2 of you together, surely (not Shirley :-)). We should be shown ... Chris On 3 Nov 2008, at 16:35, Tom Fenwick wrote: > > I was waiting for this one, having visited it... There's some very > nice > things in a cupboard just outside the door as well. > Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 18:15:21 2008 Received: (qmail 12042 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 17:15:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 17:15:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B312C3DC5; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:15:07 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:15:07 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E176C4046 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:15:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AACC9B82 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:33:12 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <30F58BDC-80CE-426A-900A-23DAD3AEAE96@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:15:04 +0000 References: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> <109D0883-292A-488C-80D7-4408637C3FF3@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 18:15:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f31a9108511869477228 You're right there, Jim. :-) Chris On 3 Nov 2008, at 16:20, Jim Nichols wrote: > Chris, > > Thanks for looking, and for the kind words. If such colors show up in > England, I'm sure that GeeBee will find them. > > Jim Nichols ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 18:21:19 2008 Received: (qmail 12058 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 17:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 17:21:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4BAC39DD; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:21:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:21:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A2FC45D1 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:18:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9R00JRVPE05AA0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:18:00 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-90.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.90]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:33:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:18:01 -0400 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <07428B33ADE449A3967CB76435B7E0AD@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosNANvADkkYigta/2dsb2JhbACBcIgswEQHg0s X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,537,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="444857736" References: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> <109D0883-292A-488C-80D7-4408637C3FF3@threeshoes.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 18:21:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f330f213531529615919 Seen here are a few shots of the autumn colours taken in Nova Scotia three weeks ago. http://www.JohnHudsonPhoto.com/NovaScotia23.html Oly E510, Zuiko 12-60, ISO 200, shot RAW; monopod used for almost all shots. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple > > That is a lovely colour, Jim. I don't think that we'll get those > colours around the countryside in England. > > Chris > > On 2 Nov 2008, at 17:23, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> >> Our Red Maple has reached peak color, and the leaves fall quickly. >> From direct light, the leaves appear a dull red, but, when >> backlighted, appear orange. >> >> Oly E-510, Zuiko 14-54, ISO 400, shot RAW, processed in Elements >> 6.0, uploaded as TIFF file. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Red+Maple.tif.html > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 18:46:54 2008 Received: (qmail 24487 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 17:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 17:46:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EACEC2997; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:46:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:46:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931D4C309E for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:46:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7A4461590 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:02:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <0266150B-B061-4134-9909-2DF7564DA2A7@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <07428B33ADE449A3967CB76435B7E0AD@hudson> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:46:40 +0000 References: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> <109D0883-292A-488C-80D7-4408637C3FF3@threeshoes.net> <07428B33ADE449A3967CB76435B7E0AD@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 18:46:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f390e221811035110158 I like those, John. The combination of copper and golden trees alongside water and sky ... Chris On 3 Nov 2008, at 17:18, John Hudson wrote: > > Seen here are a few shots of the autumn colours taken in Nova Scotia > three > weeks ago. > > http://www.JohnHudsonPhoto.com/NovaScotia23.html > > Oly E510, Zuiko 12-60, ISO 200, shot RAW; monopod used for almost > all shots. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 18:47:51 2008 Received: (qmail 11901 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 17:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 17:47:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C703FC2D96; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:47:39 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:47:39 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5D1C3106 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:47:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so1236312nfi.19 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:47:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=nS86ER7J2AkmylzQpDpNhH+5Ecu/m2i46ESXNBVKKkg=; b=dkVfju3V5wXWq5AUnmJizF7SLP2dqDAdpEZJ9fYwCBKd7+g7+lkFNqPE6QwjqXsmG6 BjIw0h7Ti+es52VHLhpW1A5sArDMIHql2x27IMq1RfoHKp1ViRgxAGwW38f5vDnCuuA4 St248SX3tM8satCqUFUzf9YVkGsbBhr2MlXZc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=WWE91DRoRVR7z5GodONRIWQTqmJtprJQlorQvbFD/8QFGbPd69/idRTn8u2w4SujxA kW2zTQpzBM1QoBqq+S3KsDSrr4X4uX/BUZCD7e2lp33lXxxGPbFIF5+n+07Dd6MrDsfN Zj21oTt0yK+dCv9iwpzRPsSKhG6zAQdiU+uMI= Received: by 10.210.143.11 with SMTP id q11mr410937ebd.146.1225734450298; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:47:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:47:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:47:30 +0000 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: <2E4A00E7-7737-4BA1-BDFD-8D98D1806FE6@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081103023631.C12B3C3205@ml.free.fr> <2E4A00E7-7737-4BA1-BDFD-8D98D1806FE6@threeshoes.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 18:47:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f3947133741234514069 I believe I managed to stay behind all the cameras, but I was definitely in the room: http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/105452575 Tom 2008/11/3 Chris Barker > > Well, there must be photos of the 2 of you together, surely (not > Shirley :-)). > > We should be shown ... > > Chris > > On 3 Nov 2008, at 16:35, Tom Fenwick wrote: > > > > > I was waiting for this one, having visited it... There's some very > > nice > > things in a cupboard just outside the door as well. > > Tom > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 18:56:25 2008 Received: (qmail 7280 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 17:56:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 17:56:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5AD2C3C64; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:56:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:56:13 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60148C3C65 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:56:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d54.3c7b52f4 (37164) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-MB16 (webmail-mb16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.164]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA043-912c490f3b2f281; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:55:59 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Best focusing screen for low-light / shallow DOF Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:56:00 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.164) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:56:00 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0BF491065526-548-A7D@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 18:56:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f3b49233709117217770 Hi Dawid, I doubt a universal calibration is possible---can do it for a? given focal length.? John will know how far it is off as a f(focal length)?.? OTF metering in "auto" ?on a 2 or 2N in auto, I would think would be fine (as well as a 4 of course? w/o adjustment). Mike http://lists.tako.de/Olympus-OM/2007-07/msg01538.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 19:07:33 2008 Received: (qmail 23034 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 18:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 18:07:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14881C32B9; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:07:22 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:07:22 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4EBC34B6 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:07:21 +0100 (CET) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so892538ywt.89 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:07:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=eug9mGyt53/4h+uVouGB6+tA3c2IlIxE1JHa8l3LMfQ=; b=FVSweYci4m1NZK+8PaptQX1Lwbv9kj2FPUdmlZyU7YnAArvWt8QMx+NdnbO+D7KN9j Gan+RgDx1MDZFMDlInHr9juujqYAhfqRhevxp1xvah2tRIZASa/+YicsoQc0JqdW9gWf VBsOorRD3zffmxh6zIpTD9jdUW+XFMBOAQ510= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=B0hjywRMr+PIPJB3OcU7E7dRpnFtDfbLIOwI47fy92YNqC9fFhb3pqPLMaRHtgRxWd ViHnrs8Hj2j8Rdf0H6J04CJCX49HjhqVQJ3+3O6o7q0FjOO6QAC7FKGQuGblSm2DgY0P S0P/mU6F61aPq4j8WQvY8anwqoDKF6fXQZ41c= Received: by 10.90.32.14 with SMTP id f14mr268095agf.118.1225735272012; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:01:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.36.11 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:01:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:01:11 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081103023631.C12B3C3205@ml.free.fr> <2E4A00E7-7737-4BA1-BDFD-8D98D1806FE6@threeshoes.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 29ae5bcc70127d3c X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 19:07:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f3de5127021234514069 >I believe I managed to stay behind all the cameras, but I was definitely in >the room: http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/105452575 Watching Jan's favorite politician I see. AG (Vote Nader) Schnozz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 19:19:44 2008 Received: (qmail 13532 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 18:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 18:19:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7073AC2C41; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:19:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:19:32 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E4FC2EFB for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:19:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ah2L1a0080QkzPwA1iKS0D; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:19:26 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([24.20.172.214]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aiKR1a0094du4sg8NiKRZM; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:19:25 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sSmLUCD8nqB2uwXOFGEA:9 a=xlD0yU85c6RbgOgrluKfPentZhIA:4 a=YLE7H5wRqG0A:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Message-ID: <51D65848D66D42CCA693DF6101FBE263@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: References: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> <109D0883-292A-488C-80D7-4408637C3FF3@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <109D0883-292A-488C-80D7-4408637C3FF3@threeshoes.net> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:19:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pelaughlin@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 19:19:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f40c0203931529615919 I believe that the more brilliant fall leaf colors are caused by a sharp frost. No frost--less color. Paul in Portlland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:31 AM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple > > That is a lovely colour, Jim. I don't think that we'll get those > colours around the countryside in England. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 20:22:00 2008 Received: (qmail 26240 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 19:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 19:21:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9FABC2E69; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:21:48 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:21:48 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490B9C33F4 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:21:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5809B3140D5 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:38:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9943140D4 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:38:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <490F4F4B.4040103@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:21:47 -0800 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081102-0, 11/02/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 20:22:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f4f58133134673671140 E510 14~42 @14mm f11 1/10th ISO1600 minor curves + pull some of the yellow out. iso1600 isn't much good for anything but this kind of shot. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 20:31:29 2008 Received: (qmail 29088 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 19:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 19:31:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2848C28EC; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:31:17 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:31:17 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8BEC373A for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:31:16 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 1212 invoked by uid 502); 3 Nov 2008 19:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.204.123) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 19:31:15 -0000 Message-ID: <490F517C.4020805@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:31:08 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] References: <96FCAA5B19BE4BB7988866B14B1176F0@meo.dec.com> <490EE9EC.2080906@chucknorcutt.com> <490F0FED.3010709@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <490F0FED.3010709@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 20:31:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f5191217371529615919 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I think you must have meant "aren't held flat against the glass". I > think the answer is that they can't be and also be held in a frame. The > frame has to have some thickness and in the case of the V700 it's 2.5mm > from bottom of frame to film surface. And the second answer is - Newton's rings. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 20:35:38 2008 Received: (qmail 11798 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 19:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 19:35:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724C2C2F0F; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:35:27 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:35:27 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53214C2AB4 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:35:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d4e.3de124df (30740) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:34:42 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:34:42 EST Subject: [OM] Re: Best focusing screen for low-light / shallow DOF To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 20:35:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f528a161191946193717 Olympus 2-13. The split image works best for my somewhat aged eyes. Bill Barber In a message dated 11/3/2008 8:55:31 A.M. Central Standard Time, dawidl@solms.co.za writes: Hi All, What would you consider the best focusing screen (for focusing accuracy on the matte area, especially towards the edges of the frame) ? Especially with the 50mm f/1.4, although my other two most-used lenses is the 24/2.0 and 90/2.0 macro. The standard prism/microprism/matte screen is OK, but it's not great on the matte area, I am used to much more precise Canon 1-series matte focusing screens (surely matte- screen technology has evolved since the seventies). I am having a hard time seeing the 'sharp' plane of focus towards the edges of the screen. If it doesn't mess up the light-meter reading, all the better, although I do use incident metering 90% of the time in anyway, so it's no big deal. Should I be looking Olympus, or are other screens like Beattie Intenscreen better? thanks for any advice, Dawid ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 20:52:21 2008 Received: (qmail 27610 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 19:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 19:52:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5503CC3944; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:52:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:52:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593AFC2C92 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:52:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <22173102.29621225742406242.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-196-2-103-149.wbs.co.za ([196.2.103.149]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 63 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:00:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Best focusing screen for low-light / shallow DOF Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:52:02 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 20:52:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f5675292814673671140 Hi Bill, I do have the split image screen with the microprism field surround. It is absolutely brilliant for the central area, but my post was referring to the matte area closer to the sides of the image: My style of photography requires good accuracy away from the centre of the field, and focus-recompose is very inaccurate. On 03 Nov 2008, at 9:34 PM, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > > Olympus 2-13. The split image works best for my somewhat aged > eyes. Bill > Barber ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 21:08:26 2008 Received: (qmail 32074 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 20:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 20:08:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33A6C4120; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:08:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:08:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C69C4371 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:08:14 +0100 (CET) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so917904yxj.89 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:08:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=CHmtM5xs+yjsKc49pMW8dgV/znxz3VM4k8K74a5nENs=; b=w4qZz2blQNYTgkWvCRR0NGqXc7SXW3+Tdyhm13MCPxblnEVoNcKURBmKXfDW3Yorrn PEmyIMfHQxLM2mwIPLufYHiPbRFCUlj0jKvYqP9TZpn4Bt9eAG4vPqZlWy24NamIqUbz aVoZqE+IysRgw5MYEy2IAITqUwslARRdbeQL0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=lrO1d0pP2wdrlYdWJG5nYqY9mBuEz2diE/aJXroivJu+jgkLR8VsKGUUcyYn5MigK2 5vLJQlaaogTjUFKRZaT472kNj6LHceIpSwRaaEScGdwQougpFJMtWCUBpiEasySrz44d wZKRgIu5tbWNaAMs4/CsmDvus2ng+9KlSYgi8= Received: by 10.90.30.2 with SMTP id d2mr413116agd.58.1225742891357; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.36.11 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:08:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:08:11 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: <490F4F4B.4040103@interisland.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <490F4F4B.4040103@interisland.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f47d7796a27fd0f3 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 21:08:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f5a3a219831234514069 Wow, what a nice seat-cushion. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Mike wrote: > > > > E510 14~42 @14mm f11 1/10th ISO1600 > > minor curves + pull some of the yellow out. iso1600 isn't much good for > anything but this kind of shot. > > Mike > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 21:35:09 2008 Received: (qmail 19859 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 20:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 20:35:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BA8C350A; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:34:57 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:34:57 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E8EBC306B for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:34:55 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 32177 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 20:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 20:34:52 -0000 In-Reply-To: <001201c93dc1$6b92b910$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> References: <001201c93dc1$6b92b910$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <7C937716-61D4-4247-84FA-CA1CA8FF327A@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:34:50 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 21:35:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f607c201457350615338 F10. The other one is a Ricoh RR1 I picked up for my collection but, unfortunately, the lens assembly is loose. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 1:35 AM, Jon Mitchell wrote: > And to answer Andrew's question, the camera by the Epson 4990 > scanner is > a Fuji Finepix. I think the camera on the pile of paper on the > desk is > also a Fuji but I can't be sure. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 21:42:16 2008 Received: (qmail 31331 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 20:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 20:42:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88370C41EA; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:42:04 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:42:04 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 04950C303F for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:42:03 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 32578 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 20:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 20:42:00 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <10869930.29481225723607329.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <10869930.29481225723607329.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:41:58 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 21:42:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f6228183731035110158 Same thing happened in Australia - AUD dropped from almost parity at 96 US¢ to 60¢, despite the fact that we have similar financial controls, a healthy economy, relatively, and banks that don't go bust. Bloody annoying. With Aus. and RSA it's partly due to the drop in demand for commodities like minerals as well. This used to be called the Earthquake Tokyo scenario - the idea that if the Japanese suffered a serious disaster, they'd pull their money back home and markets around the world would collapse. My B&H account won't be seeing much activity for a while. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 1:38 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Yet, our currency has tumbled against the US dollar because all the > investors are pulling money out > of emerging markets, and pooling it back in the U.S. Very unfair, > since our economic sector is so much > healthier than the US or EU's! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 21:43:18 2008 Received: (qmail 15235 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 20:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 20:43:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470F3C3F79; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:43:07 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:43:07 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D635C3D85 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:43:05 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 32658 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 20:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 20:43:03 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490F11DA.9070602@verizon.net> References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <490F11DA.9070602@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <41FC1FF8-2C8A-4EF7-8973-6741C21D6AF7@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:43:01 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 21:43:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f626655181702588592 Don't want to admit that you fix lenses in squalid conditions, hey? :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 1:59 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > Very similar to mine, I hesitate to put up actual evidence. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 21:51:46 2008 Received: (qmail 4381 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 20:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 20:51:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A509DC3057; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:51:25 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:51:25 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 5DE1CC2877 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:45:19 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 1329 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 20:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 20:45:17 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490F25E1.2090506@jevb.tuffmail.com> References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <490F25E1.2090506@jevb.tuffmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <783C46E9-FA73-4F01-9746-BA99BFE8275B@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:45:14 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 21:51:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f6462314391257536491 It's because you've all been foolish and very naughty. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 3:25 AM, J. Van Brimmer wrote: > Yep - me too. > > > John Hermanson wrote: >> Anyone here using American Express recently discover their credit >> limit >> has been cut way way back and AE won't explain why? AE used to >> the "no >> limits" cc. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 21:52:01 2008 Received: (qmail 4141 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 20:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 20:52:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FEE6C3BEF; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:51:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:51:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 223D3C3961 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:49:41 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 1584 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 20:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 20:49:38 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <490F4F4B.4040103@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:49:36 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 21:52:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f6471305477927319144 Isn't that the first infinite image on the screen? All too neat - no sign of productive endeavor. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 7:08 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Wow, what a nice seat-cushion. > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Mike > wrote: > >> >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 21:56:40 2008 Received: (qmail 30462 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 20:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 20:56:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E33EC2ED1; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:56:28 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:56:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9D5C32BE for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:56:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id BB191DF2X0 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:56:25 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: OT Now B&H Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:55:44 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: OT Now B&H Thread-Index: Ack99KqQ6f979gztSXymzktS6upOEAAAY0kg From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2008 20:56:25.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[A29D5980:01C93DF6] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 21:56:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f658868761234514069 My B&H account won't be seeing much activity for a while. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au Your last line reminded me of something I saw over the weekend. B&H made it to the top of Consumer Reports list of best on line retailers for electronics. Something the CR has done that I actually agree with. Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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It's coming. Cutting back on credit limits is too little too late. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > Same thing happened in Australia - AUD dropped from almost parity at > 96 US¢ to 60¢, despite the fact that we have similar financial > controls, a healthy economy, relatively, and banks that don't go > bust. Bloody annoying. With Aus. and RSA it's partly due to the drop > in demand for commodities like minerals as well. > This used to be called the Earthquake Tokyo scenario - the idea that > if the Japanese suffered a serious disaster, they'd pull their money > back home and markets around the world would collapse. > My B&H account won't be seeing much activity for a while. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 04/11/2008, at 1:38 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> Yet, our currency has tumbled against the US dollar because all the >> investors are pulling money out >> of emerging markets, and pooling it back in the U.S. Very unfair, >> since our economic sector is so much >> healthier than the US or EU's! > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 22:02:23 2008 Received: (qmail 11430 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 21:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 21:02:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4DBC2F81; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:02:11 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:02:11 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id C27CAC3032 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:02:09 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 3489 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 21:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 21:02:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: OT Now B&H Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:02:05 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 22:02:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f66df101581702588592 I absolutely decline to accept these conditions and reserve the right to hold Danaher and its subsidiaries, minions, slaves, contracters, employeees, authorised agents and the kid who gets the bagels responsible for all content and implied contract. Nor dammit will I be bound by any facsimiie of a signature without previous and specific authorisation in writing, duly notarized. So there. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 7:55 AM, Timpe, Jim wrote: > Please be advised that this email may contain confidential > information. > If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or > re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, > please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone > (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any > attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and > assistance. > > In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of > this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, > any > contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the > foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any > digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is > included in any attachment to this email. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 22:35:07 2008 Received: (qmail 10111 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 21:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 21:35:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFCEC31B7; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:34:56 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:34:56 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F52CC30FA for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:34:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E16461647 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:50:59 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <2004B289-8014-4872-8393-344E5E46FDED@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <490F4F4B.4040103@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:34:55 +0000 References: <490F4F4B.4040103@interisland.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 22:35:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f6e8b304231946193717 What a lovely cat! And h/she is wondering how long he/she has to sit there like that ... Chris On 3 Nov 2008, at 19:21, Mike wrote: > > > > E510 14~42 @14mm f11 1/10th ISO1600 > > minor curves + pull some of the yellow out. iso1600 isn't much good > for > anything but this kind of shot. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 22:55:26 2008 Received: (qmail 14727 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 21:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 21:55:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9A0C36B4; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:55:15 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:55:15 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF902C3067 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:55:14 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 10869 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 21:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 21:55:13 -0000 Message-ID: <490F7341.20205@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:55:13 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Best focusing screen for low-light / shallow DOF References: <490F26C4.1090202@verizon.net> <21069284.29611225731833851.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <21069284.29611225731833851.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 22:55:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f734e299751946193717 I have one of those screens for my 5D. Unfortunately, the eyes (or lack thereof) still rule. It doesn't do me much good. Chuck Norcutt Dawid Loubser wrote: > Thanks for the replies, 'I will just have to try a couple (well, > whichever ones I can lay my hands on) to see which suits my OM-1n the best. > > My eyes are actually still pretty good, basically 20/20 vision, and I > manual-focused the notoriously difficult Canon EF 50mm f/1.2L perfectly with Canon's > simply amazing Ec-S (super high precision matte for lenses faster than f/2.8) screen > in my previous camera. I am just looking to get a bit closer to that experience, > especially with the OM's infinitely better finder. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 22:58:08 2008 Received: (qmail 20092 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 21:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 21:58:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236FFC286F; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:57:57 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:57:57 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88CA4C339C for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:57:56 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 12560 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0000 Message-ID: <490F73E3.2090208@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:57:55 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple References: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> <109D0883-292A-488C-80D7-4408637C3FF3@threeshoes.net> <07428B33ADE449A3967CB76435B7E0AD@hudson> In-Reply-To: <07428B33ADE449A3967CB76435B7E0AD@hudson> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 22:58:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f73f040441499373980 Beautiful stuff but navigating your photos without a back, next and index button is arduous. Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > Seen here are a few shots of the autumn colours taken in Nova Scotia three > weeks ago. > > http://www.JohnHudsonPhoto.com/NovaScotia23.html > > Oly E510, Zuiko 12-60, ISO 200, shot RAW; monopod used for almost all shots. > > jh ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 23:02:33 2008 Received: (qmail 30275 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 22:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 22:02:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FFBC3109; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:02:19 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:02:19 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046DFC2CAD for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:01:37 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 16144 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 22:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 22:01:36 -0000 Message-ID: <490F74BF.2040009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:01:35 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple References: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> <109D0883-292A-488C-80D7-4408637C3FF3@threeshoes.net> <51D65848D66D42CCA693DF6101FBE263@PaulPC> In-Reply-To: <51D65848D66D42CCA693DF6101FBE263@PaulPC> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 23:02:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f74f9243501234514069 And I have heard that it is the sugar content in the leaves. Chuck Norcutt Paul Laughlin wrote: > I believe that the more brilliant fall leaf colors are caused by a sharp > frost. No frost--less color. > Paul in Portlland OR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Barker" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:31 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple > > >> That is a lovely colour, Jim. I don't think that we'll get those >> colours around the countryside in England. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 23:06:09 2008 Received: (qmail 20634 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 22:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 22:06:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11996C28EF; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:05:56 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:05:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B03C2BDB for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:03:00 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 16799 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 22:03:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 22:03:00 -0000 Message-ID: <490F7513.3070000@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:02:59 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <490F4F4B.4040103@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <490F4F4B.4040103@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 23:06:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f75d1207178512572685 Much too neat. Chuck Norcutt Mike wrote: > > > E510 14~42 @14mm f11 1/10th ISO1600 > > minor curves + pull some of the yellow out. iso1600 isn't much good for > anything but this kind of shot. > > Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 23:07:32 2008 Received: (qmail 19979 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 22:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 22:07:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25BAC2E51; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:07:21 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:07:21 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638CEC2F80 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:07:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-104-115-140.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.115.140]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA3M77eW031160 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:07:17 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:07:05 +1100 Message-ID: <475E006CF5354393AAFC0DAB192174DE@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack9wVDH3IDc/7l/TLy65Rc3JHnPbwAPxD4g X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 23:07:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f7624199262046811720 > > > I am at a loss as to why the negs are held flat against the glass? > They're not held flat against the glass. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 23:08:28 2008 Received: (qmail 12397 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 22:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 22:08:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4ECC27E2; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:08:16 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:08:16 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD47C321A for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:08:16 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 20232 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 22:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 22:08:15 -0000 Message-ID: <490F764F.9040702@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:08:15 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] References: <96FCAA5B19BE4BB7988866B14B1176F0@meo.dec.com> <490EE9EC.2080906@chucknorcutt.com> <490F0FED.3010709@chucknorcutt.com> <490F517C.4020805@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <490F517C.4020805@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 23:08:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f765c44281499373980 Yup, I forgot about those nasties. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I think you must have meant "aren't held flat against the glass". I >> think the answer is that they can't be and also be held in a frame. The >> frame has to have some thickness and in the case of the V700 it's 2.5mm >> from bottom of frame to film surface. > And the second answer is - Newton's rings. > > Moose > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 23:13:08 2008 Received: (qmail 27987 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 22:13:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 22:13:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864C8C3145; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:12:57 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:12:57 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0451EC2D9C for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:12:57 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 23236 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 22:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 22:12:56 -0000 Message-ID: <490F7768.7000304@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:12:56 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <10869930.29481225723607329.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 23:13:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f77746991073733319 If investors acted like idiots when they originally bought all those high risk, sub-prime, US mortgage securities what makes you think they would act any more intelligently today? :-) Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Same thing happened in Australia - AUD dropped from almost parity at > 96 US¢ to 60¢, despite the fact that we have similar financial > controls, a healthy economy, relatively, and banks that don't go > bust. Bloody annoying. With Aus. and RSA it's partly due to the drop > in demand for commodities like minerals as well. > This used to be called the Earthquake Tokyo scenario - the idea that > if the Japanese suffered a serious disaster, they'd pull their money > back home and markets around the world would collapse. > My B&H account won't be seeing much activity for a while. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 04/11/2008, at 1:38 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> Yet, our currency has tumbled against the US dollar because all the >> investors are pulling money out >> of emerging markets, and pooling it back in the U.S. Very unfair, >> since our economic sector is so much >> healthier than the US or EU's! > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 23:14:23 2008 Received: (qmail 12090 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 22:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 22:14:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80A6C2D83; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:14:12 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:14:12 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1A6C308A for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:14:12 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 23905 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 22:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 22:14:11 -0000 Message-ID: <490F77B3.7010101@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:14:11 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <490F4F4B.4040103@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 23:14:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f77bf300357927319144 He cheated. Note the displacement of the top of the chair relative to the wall decoration. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Isn't that the first infinite image on the screen? > All too neat - no sign of productive endeavor. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 04/11/2008, at 7:08 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > >> Wow, what a nice seat-cushion. >> >> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Mike >> wrote: >> >>> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 23:16:12 2008 Received: (qmail 5497 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 22:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 22:16:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D18FC2C16; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:16:01 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:16:01 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92FBEC2E89 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:16:00 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 16743 invoked by uid 502); 3 Nov 2008 22:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.201.191) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 22:15:59 -0000 Message-ID: <490F781D.9080609@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:15:57 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <490F25E1.2090506@jevb.tuffmail.com> <783C46E9-FA73-4F01-9746-BA99BFE8275B@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <783C46E9-FA73-4F01-9746-BA99BFE8275B@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 23:16:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f782c117898512572685 Andrew Fildes wrote: > It's because you've all been foolish and very naughty. > Da*n, left out again. I try so hard to be bad ... Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 23:17:03 2008 Received: (qmail 20100 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 22:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 22:17:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7810FC2E69; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:16:51 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:16:51 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA45C3286 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:16:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 5AAF603E8N for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:16:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:16:48 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:16:37 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <490F77B3.7010101@chucknorcutt.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Thread-Index: Ack+AYoldw2ClCz1RUyLKhcN5jwXQwAAD6zg From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2008 22:16:48.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD7CE8D0:01C93E01] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 23:17:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f785f141721234514069 I really like the window too (pine wrapped?). -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Chuck Norcutt Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:14 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom He cheated. Note the displacement of the top of the chair relative to the wall decoration. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Isn't that the first infinite image on the screen? > All too neat - no sign of productive endeavor. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 04/11/2008, at 7:08 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > >> Wow, what a nice seat-cushion. >> >> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Mike >> wrote: >> >>> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. 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(chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 22:19:20 -0000 Message-ID: <490F78E8.3000901@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:19:20 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <490F4F4B.4040103@interisland.net> <2004B289-8014-4872-8393-344E5E46FDED@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <2004B289-8014-4872-8393-344E5E46FDED@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 23:19:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f78f5252981470116606 I've never known of any cat that *has* to do anything. Surely the cat sits there by choice whether the other (sometimes) seat occupant likes it or not. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > What a lovely cat! And h/she is wondering how long he/she has to sit > there like that ... > > Chris > > On 3 Nov 2008, at 19:21, Mike wrote: > >> >> >> E510 14~42 @14mm f11 1/10th ISO1600 >> >> minor curves + pull some of the yellow out. iso1600 isn't much good >> for >> anything but this kind of shot. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 23:28:54 2008 Received: (qmail 31429 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 22:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 22:28:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E86C3C6C; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:28:43 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:28:43 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E7FC3D89 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:28:42 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 17707 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 22:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 22:28:39 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081103172552.022ac1a0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:28:40 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: <490F4F4B.4040103@interisland.net> References: <490F4F4B.4040103@interisland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 23:28:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f7b26136911073733319 So, where do you actually do real work? I think some of the pens are out of order, perhaps you could straighten them up better. At 02:21 PM 11/3/2008, Mike wrote: > WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 3 23:34:43 2008 Received: (qmail 5389 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 22:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 22:34:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912AFC37F5; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:34:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:34:32 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6DAC31B7 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:34:31 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 21426 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2008 22:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2008 22:34:29 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081103173249.022b1618@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:34:31 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] In-Reply-To: <490EE9EC.2080906@chucknorcutt.com> References: <96FCAA5B19BE4BB7988866B14B1176F0@meo.dec.com> <490EE9EC.2080906@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 3 23:34:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f7c83196201591313764 At 07:09 AM 11/3/2008, Chuck wrote: >Stick a small 2-3mm thick support near the center of the frame. Scan >once, move the support and scan again. Then combine the images in PS. :-) > >Chuck Norcutt Another idea for using the focus blend in PS CS4. Perhaps with several manual focus points of the scan can be combined to remove film curvature. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 00:19:43 2008 Received: (qmail 17726 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 23:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 23:19:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6E2C2CC5; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:19:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:19:30 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8781CC2DDD for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:19:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-104-115-140.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.115.140]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA3NJIdr012105 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:19:22 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: OT Now B&H Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:19:15 +1100 Message-ID: <06E416C4404B473D9BBEE73AAB6E3CB0@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack993g5hB90ALpxTRqCux/gG7FexgAEuMSw X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 00:19:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f870e4241838542571 > > I absolutely decline to accept these conditions and reserve > the right > to hold Danaher and its subsidiaries, minions, slaves, contracters, > employeees, authorised agents and the kid who gets the bagels > responsible for all content and implied contract. Nor dammit will I > be bound by any facsimiie of a signature without previous and > specific authorisation in writing, duly notarized. > So there. > Andrew Fildes I like this bit "If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read...." which appears towards the bottom of the email once you've already read the meaty parts. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 00:23:14 2008 Received: (qmail 19867 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 23:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 23:23:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA71C2F1D; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:23:03 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:23:03 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1A5C2C39 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:23:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-104-115-140.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.115.140]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA3NMnqH003873 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:22:59 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:22:46 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <490F764F.9040702@chucknorcutt.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack+ALQk8NVrQgWmSCecUWrQiBOpZQACi1mA X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 00:23:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f87e24841591313764 > > Yup, I forgot about those nasties. > You could probably use "anti-newton" glass but that would reduce the resolution ! ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 00:36:02 2008 Received: (qmail 11971 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 23:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 23:36:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B213C30DF; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:35:51 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:35:51 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB31C308A for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:35:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-104-115-140.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.115.140]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA3NZcAg011073 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:35:47 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:35:35 +1100 Message-ID: <06F6E04AEC70448FA9AF368E81E939F4@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081103173249.022b1618@zuik.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack+BF7qw6dpTcY9RoC/9yBDvs4/EwAB5PFg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 00:36:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f8ae2229317927319144 > > Another idea for using the focus blend in PS CS4. Perhaps > with several manual focus points of the scan can be combined > to remove film curvature. > I'm just trying to figure out if that would take longer than wet scanning, what with removing/replacing the height adjusters. I definitely don't have that much spare time. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 00:55:41 2008 Received: (qmail 3968 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2008 23:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 23:55:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E78C341D; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:55:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:55:30 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F054C34A9 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:55:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id anqb1a0090QkzPwA5nvTkA; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:55:27 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([24.20.172.214]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id anSt1a00H4du4sg8NnSueV; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:26:54 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qmQBgCnJUKY9IjlViu4A:9 a=HzD2EggkNrHW9MOsjP4hGjP2o1IA:4 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Message-ID: <8251EFADF7974E469F16CFF5B5D09646@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: References: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> <109D0883-292A-488C-80D7-4408637C3FF3@threeshoes.net> <51D65848D66D42CCA693DF6101FBE263@PaulPC> <490F74BF.2040009@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <490F74BF.2040009@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:26:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pelaughlin@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 00:55:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f8f7d76997927319144 I believe that it is the frost that drives more sugar into the leaves. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:01 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple > And I have heard that it is the sugar content in the leaves. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Paul Laughlin wrote: >> I believe that the more brilliant fall leaf colors are caused by a sharp >> frost. No frost--less color. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 01:07:56 2008 Received: (qmail 8429 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 00:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:07:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0463C3489; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:07:44 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:07:44 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 3781FC2AD3 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:07:43 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 1959 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 00:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:07:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490F7768.7000304@chucknorcutt.com> References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <10869930.29481225723607329.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <490F7768.7000304@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <2B698E84-E0B9-44B4-82A8-9BAAD8980E0D@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:07:37 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 01:07:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f925c186391257536491 Legislation. That's how you protect lunatics from their folly. What youse guys call - 'Unwarranted govermint innerference." Heck do what you want - but the rest of us tend to get sucked down the sinkhole with you. Sometimes the innocent bystanders come off worst too. Damn casino economies! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 9:12 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > If investors acted like idiots when they originally bought all those > high risk, sub-prime, US mortgage securities what makes you think they > would act any more intelligently today? :-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 01:08:12 2008 Received: (qmail 1721 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 00:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:08:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A745C340A; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:08:01 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:08:01 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4EFC3516 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:07:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id anhN1a00R0mlR8UA8o79Hs; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:07:42 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([24.20.172.214]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id anWC1a00n4du4sg8XnWDVm; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:30:13 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TDLmH_vbggAA:10 a=DWeIeEa1rtEA:10 a=VVumAad0eJTGsmSHaJYA:9 a=0iGrDUnoqmGmWHgrJsXuFpBdtW0A:4 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=9XSpoOj3B7kA:10 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: References: <490F4F4B.4040103@interisland.net> <2004B289-8014-4872-8393-344E5E46FDED@threeshoes.net> <490F78E8.3000901@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <490F78E8.3000901@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:30:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pelaughlin@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 01:08:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f926c132174673671140 As someone once said, "Women and cats do as they please. Men and dogs had just as well get used to it." Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:19 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > I've never known of any cat that *has* to do anything. Surely the cat > sits there by choice whether the other (sometimes) seat occupant likes > it or not. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 01:08:51 2008 Received: (qmail 820 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 00:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:08:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF1CC338D; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:08:40 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:08:40 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id F4228C2CC5 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:08:38 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 2014 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 00:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:08:36 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490F781D.9080609@gmail.com> References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <490F25E1.2090506@jevb.tuffmail.com> <783C46E9-FA73-4F01-9746-BA99BFE8275B@people.net.au> <490F781D.9080609@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <32A88FAE-0CE0-4F4B-95EE-5D675D6DFBA3@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:08:33 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 01:08:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f9293320201585427447 If you were trying, you'd actually say 'damn'. (Oooo that's sooo naughty!) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 9:15 AM, Moose wrote: > Da*n, left out again. I try so hard to be bad ... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 01:10:18 2008 Received: (qmail 11809 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 00:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:10:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F41AC2ECF; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:10:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:10:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id CE5A5C2CB5 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:10:04 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 3137 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 00:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:10:02 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490F78E8.3000901@chucknorcutt.com> References: <490F4F4B.4040103@interisland.net> <2004B289-8014-4872-8393-344E5E46FDED@threeshoes.net> <490F78E8.3000901@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:09:59 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 01:10:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f92ea173191993019900 My cat eventually HAS to retreat from the dog - JRT's don't let a few small puncture wounds discourage them. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 9:19 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I've never known of any cat that *has* to do anything. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 01:11:22 2008 Received: (qmail 24264 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEE8C2D66; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:11:11 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:11:11 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E2498C2C60 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:11:09 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 3199 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 00:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:11:07 -0000 In-Reply-To: <06E416C4404B473D9BBEE73AAB6E3CB0@meo.dec.com> References: <06E416C4404B473D9BBEE73AAB6E3CB0@meo.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <5754CF04-9F4F-418F-BFF2-C857475F6184@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: OT Now B&H Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:11:04 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 01:11:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f932a322871234514069 There were 'meaty' parts? - must have missed those. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 10:19 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > I like this bit "If you are not the intended recipient, please do not > read...." which appears towards the bottom of the email once you've > already > read the meaty parts. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 01:12:05 2008 Received: (qmail 14917 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 00:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:12:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8B8C31C5; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:11:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:11:54 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A393C397B for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:11:52 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 3250 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 00:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:11:50 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <40D09386-FCB0-4376-A1BE-A753316B2849@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:11:47 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 01:12:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f935586961744846740 Hey, whatchya got against Newton? He did just fine until Albert came along! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 10:22 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > You could probably use "anti-newton" glass but that would reduce the > resolution ! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 01:29:40 2008 Received: (qmail 10640 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 00:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:29:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306C0C280E; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:29:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:29:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82606C28D5 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:29:27 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 14210 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 00:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 00:29:25 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081103192412.01118ca0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:29:26 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] In-Reply-To: <06F6E04AEC70448FA9AF368E81E939F4@meo.dec.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081103173249.022b1618@zuik.net> <06F6E04AEC70448FA9AF368E81E939F4@meo.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 01:29:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f9774264542046811720 If film curvature is the issue, the idea of combining multiple focus points would not require spacers, just scan at multiple focus points and then combine for sharp image. The number of scans, of course, depends on the scanner DOF and the number of focus points needed to get all parts of the image focused in at least one of the scans. It would be easy if it could be automated. Just load the film and do a multi-scan with minor increments in focus point. No removing and replacing spacers. WayneS At 06:35 PM 11/3/2008, you wrote: >> >> Another idea for using the focus blend in PS CS4. Perhaps >> with several manual focus points of the scan can be combined >> to remove film curvature. >> > >I'm just trying to figure out if that would take longer than wet scanning, >what with removing/replacing the height adjusters. I definitely don't have >that much spare time. > >...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 01:37:30 2008 Received: (qmail 29231 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 00:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:37:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D74C2DFE; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:37:19 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:37:19 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7004C2BB3 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:37:17 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 18913 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 00:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 00:37:16 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081103193448.01111890@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:37:17 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple In-Reply-To: <07428B33ADE449A3967CB76435B7E0AD@hudson> References: <358410898839409D995DE0523E349287@jimnichols> <109D0883-292A-488C-80D7-4408637C3FF3@threeshoes.net> <07428B33ADE449A3967CB76435B7E0AD@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 01:37:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f994a287001234514069 You make my heart ache. I've been so busy being Joe the Plumber and home-owner repair self contractor, I have not gone out and shot any cool fall colors. I love the combination of sky, clouds, water, and foliage. This could be the lake near me, hence the heart ache. I'm jealous. WayneS At 12:18 PM 11/3/2008, you wrote: >Seen here are a few shots of the autumn colours taken in Nova Scotia three >weeks ago. > >http://www.JohnHudsonPhoto.com/NovaScotia23.html > >Oly E510, Zuiko 12-60, ISO 200, shot RAW; monopod used for almost all shots. > >jh ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 01:39:12 2008 Received: (qmail 15157 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 00:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:39:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6554C2935; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:39:01 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:39:01 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03BEC2BCE for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:39:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-104-115-140.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.115.140]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA40ccsl029212 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:58 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:36 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081103192412.01118ca0@zuik.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack+FG3ZnU2SgQCdTDWcMWE+BB0BqwAARJig X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 01:39:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f99b0246641744846740 > > If film curvature is the issue, the idea of combining > multiple focus points would not require spacers, just scan at > multiple focus points and then combine for sharp image. The > number of scans, of course, depends on the scanner DOF and > the number of focus points needed to get all parts of the > image focused in at least one of the scans. > > It would be easy if it could be automated. Just load the film > and do a multi-scan with minor increments in focus point. No > removing and replacing spacers. > Yeah, but the reason the Epson V700 has spacers is that it doesn't have any other way to adjust focus !!!!! ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 01:48:57 2008 Received: (qmail 27145 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 00:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:48:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EBFC3213; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:48:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:48:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C47DC3141 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:48:45 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 24839 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 00:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 00:48:42 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081103194751.0111af08@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:48:43 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081103192412.01118ca0@zuik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 01:48:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f9bf9143682336821329 At 07:38 PM 11/3/2008, you wrote >Yeah, but the reason the Epson V700 has spacers is that it doesn't have any >other way to adjust focus !!!!! > >...Wayne Ok, now I get it.... WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 01:57:04 2008 Received: (qmail 7599 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 00:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 00:57:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8519C2BE9; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:56:53 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:56:53 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3E3C31AD for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:56:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-104-115-140.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.115.140]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA40ufVX011151 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:56:50 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:56:38 +1100 Message-ID: <1191A084C9C74967B8305754BF8AACAD@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081103194751.0111af08@zuik.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack+Fx95wzccwlcrRty6XdVPRJ6uqAAAMyZQ X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 01:57:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490f9de0287821702588592 It looks like this might help: http://www.betterscanning.com/ has anyone on the list used these film holders and anti-newton glass on an Epson V series scanner ? ...Wayne > > At 07:38 PM 11/3/2008, you wrote > > >Yeah, but the reason the Epson V700 has spacers is that it > doesn't have > >any other way to adjust focus !!!!! > > > >...Wayne > > Ok, now I get it.... > > WayneS > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 03:37:24 2008 Received: (qmail 22467 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 02:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 02:37:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF64C2F60; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:37:12 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:37:12 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB93C3057 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:37:12 +0100 (CET) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so2882864fka.1 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:37:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=i0pJrRCNlm7/4azKezhSY+1hnULw5mkFIUj3ZaCwBVQ=; b=LJ4pBeCl2DXuYD0xaZqnNjTXqTk1B+5E9OWBwQsiAG9HNcRV8lkTe3Zq1ANdJlEzOi DyunowyOnGB/5M5Li6UtBxxBwEcmJmTncdB7IN1snHfqLLw9K8tgb+bWj5oh67YV33g4 Ulll6aVKqX+lYSIIKqiegIU0UQmeTv3TalBfI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=saa3IVw77Zf3y+QRJTBeWQVkekx37/necRFgHJGH/RWEuI0kURAsb+EqkVs8XyojeD OHaa/FF7ZMzsMkVn/ySKmJXpSVbq++e8S4CFYupkHS72Pubx/IYomgV9ZsmYLcgoaS5x UpstxVe9dNKN4/hYSqQ1aIMWeVdimC2aSm3EE= Received: by 10.103.121.19 with SMTP id y19mr403585mum.30.1225766232118; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.12.3 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:37:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:37:10 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] In-Reply-To: <40D09386-FCB0-4376-A1BE-A753316B2849@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <40D09386-FCB0-4376-A1BE-A753316B2849@people.net.au> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 291e11d58dd6422f X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 03:37:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fb564252081744846740 >Hey, whatchya got against Newton? Hey, I WORK in Newton, and lived there for nine years. No ring(ers) here any more. :) AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 04:06:14 2008 Received: (qmail 11872 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 03:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 03:06:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300CDC2875; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:06:03 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:06:03 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9ECC33FE for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:06:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D37225C982 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:06:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2hseqc6FNU5D for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:06:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BC5225C973 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:06:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1A2363A8-75DF-41E7-9E02-63E620219AA7@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081104023343.0C3E2C2F58@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:05:59 -0800 References: <20081104023343.0C3E2C2F58@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 04:06:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fbc26259351257536491 I can see you haven't met my other half, who claims to have lead an un- cluttered life before meeting me... If you liked that one, I'll have to go shoot one inside the 48' semi- trailer where all the stuff I don't use regularly is stored... :-) > From: "\"J. Van Brimmer\"" > > Absolutely gorgeous! > > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Jan Steinman > wrote: >> >> Bless this mess... AADD strikes again... >> http://www.bytesmiths.com/images/_B022269.jpg >> >> :::: I'm working on a plan for spontaneity. :::: >> :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: :::: Look at the suite of technologies used by a person or a culture, and it’s an easy matter to divine the values that person or that culture holds and the goals they pursue. This is unmentionable in our culture, because the values and goals our technologies reveal to the world are a very long ways indeed from the ones we claim to embrace. -- John Michael Greer :::: :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 04:11:53 2008 Received: (qmail 25223 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 03:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 03:11:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390B7C2C0C; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:11:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:11:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A02C333D for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:11:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084F8225CA23 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:11:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cMnyuJeFkkxx for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:11:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45DD225CA14 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:11:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081104023343.0C3E2C2F58@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:11:38 -0800 References: <20081104023343.0C3E2C2F58@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 04:11:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fbd7942471946193717 Actually, there's TWO paths in! One between the Roland printer and the Farm Stand sign, and the other between the copy stand and the HP colour laser. But one does have to slip through either one sideways. The problem is the 54" flat file. Because it is also a work surface -- and because my arms aren't 54" long -- I had to put it in the middle of the room so that I can cut up rolls of media that have come off the Roland. But that requires moving all the other junk to some other room... > From: Andrew Fildes > > That's SPECTACULAR! As far as I can see, here is no way to insert > yourself into that work station apart from climbing in through the > window. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 03/11/2008, at 2:37 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > >> >> Bless this mess... AADD strikes again... >> http://www.bytesmiths.com/images/_B022269.jpg >> >> :::: I'm working on a plan for spontaneity. :::: >> :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: :::: When a place is lifeless or unreal, there is almost always a mastermind behind it. -- Christopher Alexander :::: Jan Steinman "http://www.EcoReality.org" ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 04:16:31 2008 Received: (qmail 28374 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 03:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 03:16:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85ADEC2D95; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:16:19 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:16:19 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C0FC2D4F for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:16:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD85225CA97 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:16:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V2vNZj2lMyBL for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF6A225CA88 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:16:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1CF925B9-7624-4DAB-B686-4AD2F657B945@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081104023343.0C3E2C2F58@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:16:16 -0800 References: <20081104023343.0C3E2C2F58@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 04:16:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fbe8f85081234514069 It goes with an old PowerMac G4 that is dedicated to RIPping for the Roland. Just haven't set it up since we moved all this crap in here between June and August. Someone, please order a 50" print from me so I'll have an excuse to set it up again! Really, this wouldn't look so cluttered if we had been here longer... or perhaps it would look MORE cluttered... :-) > From: Chris Barker > > Bless it, indeed, Jan. Is that a redundant Apple Display lying on its > back? > > On 3 Nov 2008, at 03:37, Jan Steinman wrote: > >> Bless this mess... AADD strikes again... >> http://www.bytesmiths.com/images/_B022269.jpg :::: Dateline: April 15, 2020: President Jenna Bush announces foreign terrorist cells have been located near the Edmonton oil fields, and offers "assistance" to Canada in the form of 150,000 US troops, now massing along the border. :::: :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 04:19:14 2008 Received: (qmail 32383 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 03:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 03:19:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43516C2AEC; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:19:03 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:19:03 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B243FC2C9B for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:19:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138AD225CAC6 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:19:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FW-IvPLJ8Q9u for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86299225CAB7 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:18:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5029B7E5-106F-49B0-B172-654090AA2674@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081104023343.0C3E2C2F58@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:18:55 -0800 References: <20081104023343.0C3E2C2F58@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 04:19:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fbf32274991823421471 > From: "Ian Manners" > >> http://www.bytesmiths.com/images/_B022269.jpg > > A Roland plotter, what fond memories :-) It still does a good job! 120 year hexachrome pigments do as good as anything Epson has today, I'm sure. I think it would be insulted to be called a "plotter;" "plodder" is more like it, at the rate it prints. :::: A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom. Martin Luther King, Jr. :::: Jan Steinman ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 04:20:21 2008 Received: (qmail 26788 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 03:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 03:20:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0664C2B5D; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:20:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:20:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.149]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 360DCC34F3 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:20:10 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 47112 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2008 03:20:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=NOczPymZS7tPPOUiS6B8WqgmxToqbxWpD6tuaHpNltt5ehp3rX840/uC/EsAGrlKRXQhXEXHfXYBAbzKaLCE3DuBWyzEZa9TDp7Qu7o7ntI/G7OKEVWJk8ICRcULL/3WST/C52DgS09GKDSEWyEnH+GRipYpDyubTeginrc10tY=; X-YMail-OSG: wdq98eQVM1kgow0VsnVEfGLNAL8NOSP79.mxU_Umck1hkl3hZfqFDymDduY7HsyyDoZJhoRmRcgCryWRNw56vtee5XinXb4VRuYMbEaoo6X0KQrnTmtvybXfGn77y8A3Jt9DXmQbvNOxX_hqtbcS0bcYq0NJJtejNByK03N0 Received: from [64.223.49.164] by web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:20:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:20:08 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <392341.46157.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 04:20:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fbf7585731234514069 ...AE used to the "no limits" cc...   And prolly thats why within the last few years some of the biggest US companies dropped AE and switched to others as being the primary business cc.   Boris ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 04:29:53 2008 Received: (qmail 2666 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 03:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 03:29:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FFCC34E3; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:29:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:29:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923F0C2D9A for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:29:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DDF225CD94 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:29:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KYpfd1F71B2F for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:29:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6715D225CD85 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:29:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081104023343.0C3E2C2F58@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:29:39 -0800 References: <20081104023343.0C3E2C2F58@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 04:29:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fc1b1278281585427447 Enlarger-turned-copy-stand, with two Speedotron 106's through crossed polarizers, mounted on Bogen 2935 articulated arms. At this distance, I can shoot at f22 after dialing the 4803cx pack down -6 stops (-3 on the pack, plus -3 on the remote). I set that copy stand up for more modest Brownlines that I could actually use without blinding everyone in the house, but I've been unable to find the Brownline 1600 pack since the move, and had a copy job come up. If anyone needs to light up a blimp in a hangar, I have a couple more 106's and another 4800 pack somewhere. The power strip is supposed to be on the 3kVA UPS for the server (just to the left of the power strip), but I have to put in a 30 amp circuit before I can get that hooked up. Luckily, we don't have many outages here, but the two we've had were enough to make me start looking for the roll of 10/2 Romex I have somewhere. Someday, I hope to have everything unpacked -- including the boxes that are still sealed from our move from Oregon in 2006! > From: "\"J. Van Brimmer\"" > > Oh my gosh! Is that a, a, a, um, ..... enlarger I see on the right > side there? > > And I love the power strip standing vertically, in the center > foreground. Love it! > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Jan Steinman > wrote: >> >> Bless this mess... AADD strikes again... >> http://www.bytesmiths.com/images/_B022269.jpg :::: By 2030... fossil fuel resources will be totally out by then. -- Katsuhiko Machida, President of Sharp :::: :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 04:30:05 2008 Received: (qmail 2323 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 03:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 03:30:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417B6C2C5C; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:29:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:29:54 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEF0C2CF7 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:29:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081104032944.HIBR3771.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:29:44 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id arVk1a0084vDLwc02rVkAc; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:29:44 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=1gImUQUVYDEFk3KxImUA:9 a=TM-u0lpO9MMCPtdoFusA:7 a=iKP-el0E_2cT78iu18Sws5p-rtsA:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=4e2h18mfklkA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <8497EDEE90EC4671893644B80F017CCB@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <392341.46157.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:29:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 04:30:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fc1bd190491529615919 AS I understood it, it was only the cards that were paid in full at the end of each month that were entirely no limits. AE now offers rolling balance cards like the others that I don't think were ever no limit. bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Wonka" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:20 PM Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > ...AE used to the "no limits" cc... > > And prolly thats why within the last few years some of the biggest US > companies dropped AE and switched to others as being the primary business > cc. > > Boris > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Dinner time! :::: He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. -- Albert Einstein :::: Jan Steinman ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 04:48:22 2008 Received: (qmail 15659 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 03:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 03:48:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DECC2FA3; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:48:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:48:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.149]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 87616C2F52 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:48:09 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 69889 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2008 03:48:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=qV6sljS6KU+SD4vQ40Xq6bGNriAW2prfKvYcNpscQiBjWM5YzCPJBrKp4nxFeCocsbM8eLWyUSMg9xK4EiqUDUtX3euS9XDLmbwvH9Ji2O1l0UWmepq3mMk1jbDZ6x3qj2lofRnpUfsh9cWtW4NYgQWHBBdxdQM4HsE26l+Udn4=; X-YMail-OSG: eV0JYloVM1khr1YFQ9VIUteZiiWLv._DtHNIQRY3_fLjdtGiefURGDyoowgXP2G1bBeH0Fq4RP5TBeIh4m6jXV9aLr7YliXP8bB6Jg4N8zXEBXHWEkgFy4Yqhpbk4DoVCJbN Received: from [64.223.49.164] by web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:48:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:48:08 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] [IMG] Sunset To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <965198.69443.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 04:48:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fc606281951869477228 Well,   The image is imprinted on my brain.   I was returning from a business trip and saw the best sunset evah.   It was about six o'clock (be4 the time change) and after a reaching the most eastern tip of Long Island, we turned NE towards Providence.    At that time, the sun was about an inch above the horizon and looked like the perfect orange.  The sky around it was golden and bright, but further it transitioned into fire and then getting darker and darker.  I especially enjoyed the twinkling stars swimming in the deep blue-purple ocean right above my head.    The ocean mirrowed the fire in teh sky.  Absolutely no light was being reflected off of any of teh islands or Connecticut/Rhode Island coast features and all of the land appeared darker than the blackest black you have even imagined.   I did not have a camera, but even if I did, I wazent going to miss a moment like this and...there were too many reflections from the double glass/plastic that would ruin the picture and my mood...   That was the best sunset I have ever seen either "in person" or photographed by someone else.  My English is not very good looking, but I hope that you "get the picture"...:)   Boris ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 04:55:19 2008 Received: (qmail 4348 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 03:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 03:55:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B705C3493; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:55:08 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:55:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8ACC2F62 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:55:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A090F314128 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:12:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E47E3140BF for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:12:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <490FC79C.5040203@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:55:08 -0800 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081103-0, 11/03/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 04:55:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fc7a789709117217770 > > Heck, do what you want - but the rest of us tend to get sucked down > the sinkhole with you. We call that "trickle down" economics or "Reaganomics". Hopefully Obama will tie that dog up. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 05:08:14 2008 Received: (qmail 26822 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 04:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 04:08:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C8EC31D7; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:08:00 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:08:00 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C85EC375D for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:06:37 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 24316 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 04:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 04:06:35 -0000 Message-ID: <490FCA4A.5070809@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:06:34 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081103173249.022b1618@zuik.net> <06F6E04AEC70448FA9AF368E81E939F4@meo.dec.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081103192412.01118ca0@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081103192412.01118ca0@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 05:08:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fcaae310829117217770 You're assuming the scanner is capable of changing focus over a 2mm distance under software control. Maybe it is but I don't have any idea. Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > If film curvature is the issue, the idea of combining multiple focus points > would not require spacers, just scan at multiple focus points and then > combine for sharp image. The number of scans, of course, depends on the > scanner DOF and the number of focus points needed to get all parts of > the image focused in at least one of the scans. > > It would be easy if it could be automated. Just load the film and do a multi-scan > with minor increments in focus point. No removing and replacing spacers. > > WayneS > > At 06:35 PM 11/3/2008, you wrote: > >>> Another idea for using the focus blend in PS CS4. Perhaps >>> with several manual focus points of the scan can be combined >>> to remove film curvature. >>> >> I'm just trying to figure out if that would take longer than wet scanning, >> what with removing/replacing the height adjusters. I definitely don't have >> that much spare time. >> >> ...Wayne > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 05:20:06 2008 Received: (qmail 22119 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 04:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 04:20:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B164C2FB7; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:19:55 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:19:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95FCC2D01 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:19:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[192.168.1.4]) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KxDOT-0003HB-00 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:19:54 -0500 Message-ID: <490FCD65.8050609@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:19:49 -0800 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 05:20:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fcd7644951257536491 John, This was mentioned on NPR today. Apparently the current credit crisis and scare had moved on to the credit card companies and especially AMEX. AMEX has been cutting credit limits to a number of accounts - especially those without much history such as cardholders that have not been s=using their cards much. Jim Couch John Hermanson wrote: > Anyone here using American Express recently discover their credit limit > has been cut way way back and AE won't explain why? AE used to the "no > limits" cc. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 06:22:06 2008 Received: (qmail 24329 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 05:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 05:22:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAEDC2D41; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:21:51 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:21:51 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from moenkopi.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us (mail.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us [66.116.71.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37EEC3B57 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:19:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.222] (unknown [192.168.1.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by moenkopi.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 836F1E800E for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:19:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express From: Scott Gomez To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <490F25E1.2090506@jevb.tuffmail.com> References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <490F25E1.2090506@jevb.tuffmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Scott Gomez Consulting Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:19:36 -0800 Message-Id: <1225775976.21668.11.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 (2.22.3.1-1.fc9) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scott@petroglyph.crestline.ca.us Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 06:22:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fdbfe226351823421471 There was a news story about this which I heard on the radio on the way to work late last week. Apparently many card companies are doing just as described, cutting back limits (or imposing them). It appears that they've got themselves in a rather untenable position: in the past they've raised default rates, or imposed heftier late payment penalties, as a way to make money when borrowers are over limit or late. Unfortunately for them, they're apparently bumping against the ceiling of said penalties and interest rates, and so are lowering limits in order to compensate (or, one might say, if one were a cynic, to force otherwise reliable folks into instant over-limit circumstances) --- Scott Gomez On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 08:25 -0800, J. Van Brimmer wrote: > Yep - me too. > > > John Hermanson wrote: > > Anyone here using American Express recently discover their credit limit > > has been cut way way back and AE won't explain why? AE used to the "no > > limits" cc. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 06:28:19 2008 Received: (qmail 7891 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 05:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 05:28:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74ABC2ACD; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:28:07 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:28:07 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from moenkopi.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us (mail.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us [66.116.71.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C2CC2956 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:28:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.222] (unknown [192.168.1.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by moenkopi.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B5D04E800E for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:28:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express From: Scott Gomez To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <2B698E84-E0B9-44B4-82A8-9BAAD8980E0D@people.net.au> References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <10869930.29481225723607329.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <490F7768.7000304@chucknorcutt.com> <2B698E84-E0B9-44B4-82A8-9BAAD8980E0D@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Scott Gomez Consulting Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:28:06 -0800 Message-Id: <1225776486.21668.14.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 (2.22.3.1-1.fc9) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scott@petroglyph.crestline.ca.us Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 06:28:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fdd7234381702588592 That would be "gummint", Andrew. Let's try to get this right... On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 11:07 +1100, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Legislation. > That's how you protect lunatics from their folly. > What youse guys call - 'Unwarranted govermint innerference." -- Scott Gomez ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 06:29:40 2008 Received: (qmail 18224 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 05:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 05:29:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C0EC28C6; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:29:28 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:29:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id C5578C2AD8 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:29:26 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 19476 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 05:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 05:29:23 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <40D09386-FCB0-4376-A1BE-A753316B2849@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <691EC5F5-045E-478E-B78D-65531D49A75C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: More comparisons [was Comparison shots] Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:29:19 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 06:29:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fddc3202417350615338 So and 'Anti-Newton Ring' would be a bunch of guys from the next town conspiring against you? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 1:37 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > >> Hey, whatchya got against Newton? > > > Hey, I WORK in Newton, and lived there for nine years. No ring > (ers) here > any more. > > :) > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 06:37:22 2008 Received: (qmail 25469 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 05:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 05:37:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8BFC2B8A; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:37:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:37:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7BFC2D20 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:37:10 +0100 (CET) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so2900918wfd.5 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:37:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=jIE8aptkofXz5IlLALP2KF96cSJ9GxT9cUvn6w7IMGQ=; b=G3NxqLsrCho+ssd+mvTVWyLq3/9dNtnU4dl3NEKTcvxY7rFYX4KT93aTXutAvGGwO6 hgTF2In+EzwuyWmWB1CQHwVjTIXIXyuI1VQuhC0WN8XwhuQ+AsN0cxgCEuHXQkb3zFmM lpgG5NAUN3Xl/ttB9hQcNBc+5ED0IxCIvNsVM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=AyzsX9yAXL5pchuhHMcp3m/RHfqi02oPq9JQAyJGqCwwF3ZlxHbC5AWbRIaJ6IjZK2 /rQvE/mf71eMOdS527qS9/r82z6nqtBJDVzLoKUpc0R+hooiNhU9PtpHE/c3wzrNc/fr Pj84h1SBGYF0KHqiJu9Xi7A4P/5Mzo11TYtzI= Received: by 10.142.177.5 with SMTP id z5mr548714wfe.255.1225777029441; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.204.3 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:37:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <901b226d0811032137s279e278bn731025a3c290d668@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:37:09 -0800 From: "\"J. Van Brimmer\"" Sender: jerry.vb@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081104023343.0C3E2C2F58@ml.free.fr> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 40d0ca1b1e2a7268 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 06:37:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fdf92277201838542571 On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > > Someday, I hope to have everything unpacked -- including the boxes > that are still sealed from our move from Oregon in 2006! > Ha! Just last weekend I unpacked boxes from my 2004 move! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 06:37:34 2008 Received: (qmail 28389 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 05:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 05:37:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8D2C2E31; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:37:23 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:37:23 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B61FC2CA5 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:37:09 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 20332 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 05:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 05:37:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490FC79C.5040203@interisland.net> References: <490FC79C.5040203@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <275DDC1F-FFA6-40ED-A963-54847B0CBBA4@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:37:03 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 06:37:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fdf9e241342070262475 Wasn't a trickle this time around - more like a flash flood. So we're going to rely on a murkin president to do the right thing by us? Hell, we're happy if he knows that we don't speak German, don't herd kangaroos and don't fall off the bottom of the planet from time to time. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 2:55 PM, Mike wrote: >> Heck, do what you want - but the rest of us tend to get sucked down >> the sinkhole with you. > We call that "trickle down" economics or "Reaganomics". Hopefully > Obama > will tie that dog up. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 06:40:10 2008 Received: (qmail 17562 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 05:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 05:40:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C44C3058; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:39:59 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:39:59 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F684C2EA3 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:39:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from cpe.atm2-0-90296.0x5734baee.boanxx22.customer.tele.dk ([87.52.186.238]:12057 helo=[192.168.1.37]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1KxEdy-0004s5-2i (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:39:59 +0000 In-Reply-To: <8497EDEE90EC4671893644B80F017CCB@SueHome> References: <392341.46157.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8497EDEE90EC4671893644B80F017CCB@SueHome> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <1F69272C-6350-48C2-A183-E4143C7D5183@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:39:56 +0100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 06:40:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fe03a302371234514069 Even on the charge cards (the ones that are paid in full every month), there is a limit that gradually increases, based on your spending pattern and payment history. I have not noticed any reduction in that limit in my case, although during the past few month my monthly spend has been about average. As regards credit cards, whether Amex or others, they have been cutting down on their exposure indeed, especially for customers whose monthly spend is far below their credit limit. They want to ensure that they do not become the lender of last resort for people who get in trouble financially. A normal reaction given today's environment. Nathan On 4-nov-2008, at 4:29, Sue Pearce wrote: > > AS I understood it, it was only the cards that were paid in full at > the end > of each month that were entirely no limits. AE now offers rolling > balance > cards like the others that I don't think were ever no limit. > > bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willie Wonka" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:20 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > >> >> ...AE used to the "no limits" cc... >> >> And prolly thats why within the last few years some of the biggest US >> companies dropped AE and switched to others as being the primary >> business >> cc. >> >> Boris >> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: > 11/3/2008 > 4:59 PM > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 06:40:21 2008 Received: (qmail 32600 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 05:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 05:40:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3AAC2EA3; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:40:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:40:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 65B1DC28E4 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:39:58 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 21552 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 05:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 05:39:56 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1225776486.21668.14.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <10869930.29481225723607329.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <490F7768.7000304@chucknorcutt.com> <2B698E84-E0B9-44B4-82A8-9BAAD8980E0D@people.net.au> <1225776486.21668.14.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:39:52 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 06:40:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fe045137709117217770 I was trying mimic an Arkansas innerlekchual. I'll behave and go back to talking through my nose. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 4:28 PM, Scott Gomez wrote: > > That would be "gummint", Andrew. Let's try to get this right... > > On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 11:07 +1100, Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Legislation. >> That's how you protect lunatics from their folly. >> What youse guys call - 'Unwarranted govermint innerference." > > -- > Scott Gomez > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 07:06:06 2008 Received: (qmail 27125 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 06:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 06:06:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8041C335B; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:05:51 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:05:51 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A476BC2F96 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:05:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54449C988F for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:24:01 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <965198.69443.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: [IMG] Sunset Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:05:51 +0000 References: <965198.69443.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 07:06:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fe64e153822046811720 It sounds wonderful, Boris. I have seen a few lovely sunsets over my years of flying. I was once in a Tornado over the North Sea, flying between Holland and East Anglia (Norfolk coast) in the late afternoon. There were layers of cloud and the sun set between them, bathing the cloud in gold- pink. It was utterly gorgeous. Chris On 4 Nov 2008, at 03:48, Willie Wonka wrote: > That was the best sunset I have ever seen either "in person" or > photographed by someone else. My English is not very good looking, > but I hope that you "get the picture"...:) > > Boris ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 07:07:16 2008 Received: (qmail 24893 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 06:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 06:07:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502F2C31A7; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:07:05 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:07:05 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [207.115.11.55]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFC2C2FD6 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:07:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20081104060703H0500itgcfe>; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:07:03 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <2AA377923C294AAF96341C2F734D81F4@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <20081104023343.0C3E2C2F58@ml.free.fr> <901b226d0811032137s279e278bn731025a3c290d668@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:07:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 07:07:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fe694173871823421471 My enlarger and trays are still boxed up from a 1967 move. :-) Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: ""J. Van Brimmer"" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:37 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: >> > >> Someday, I hope to have everything unpacked -- including the boxes >> that are still sealed from our move from Oregon in 2006! >> > > > Ha! Just last weekend I unpacked boxes from my 2004 move! > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 07:08:17 2008 Received: (qmail 17059 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 06:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 06:08:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61EBC312F; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:08:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:08:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1030C2F2A for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:08:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E73C988F for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:26:16 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <490F7768.7000304@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:08:06 +0000 References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <10869930.29481225723607329.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <490F7768.7000304@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 07:08:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fe6d1308391946193717 As I understand it, Chuck, the sub-primes were packaged with other investments at varying levels of risk. The risks were apparently indeterminate, a different sort of idiocy, I think. Chris On 3 Nov 2008, at 22:12, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > If investors acted like idiots when they originally bought all those > high risk, sub-prime, US mortgage securities what makes you think they > would act any more intelligently today? :-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 07:31:01 2008 Received: (qmail 13547 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 06:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 06:31:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4414AC379D; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:30:40 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:30:40 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766DBC373D for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:30:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from cpe.atm2-0-90296.0x5734baee.boanxx22.customer.tele.dk ([87.52.186.238]:13092 helo=[192.168.1.37]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1KxFQx-0000je-8K (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:30:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Picture a Day discussion group , Leica Users Group , LEG , olympus@ml.free.fr Message-Id: <405BACF3-221E-4DFD-A386-4ADB9CAFECB6@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Nathan Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 03/11/2008: Danish bagerjomfru Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:30:30 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 07:31:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fec25114631993019900 Visiting Denmark this week, and taking pictures of course. Yesterday morning I walked to the local bakery with my friend. Danish bakeries are the best in the world. Traditionally they were family businesses, with the father baking the bread in the wee hours of the morning, and then leaving the shop in the hands of his wife and a usually also a young girl to help out. In fact, the traditional name of the girl selling bread in a bakery is "bagerjomfru", literally translated "baker virgin". I don't know if this one is a virgin (didn't ask...) but the bread we bought was delicious in any event: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#409726187_TYB7U-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 07:37:14 2008 Received: (qmail 12046 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 06:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 06:37:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946EEC34F9; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:37:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:37:02 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.threshinc.com (mail.threshinc.com [209.189.206.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E2DC3DA3 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:31:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from figaro.threshinc.com (unknown [209.189.223.38]) by mail.threshinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 66EBF39C76B for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:31:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20081103222613.027a8ea8@mail.threshinc.com> X-Sender: pklein@threshinc.com@mail.threshinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:31:40 -0800 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Peter Klein Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple In-Reply-To: <20081104023343.0C3E2C2F58@ml.free.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pklein@threshinc.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 07:37:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490fed9a216962336821329 Just gorgeous, John. I like the last one the best for the color, and some of the ones with water near the beginning are also spectacular. I grew up in New England, and I do miss it a bit in the fall. The Northwest doesn't have nearly the colors I grew up with (though it has other things to recommend it). Had to drive up into the mountains a couple of weeks ago to see our little Vine Maples turn red. Most trees in the city that turn red are not native. There are a few "fall colors" pictures on this page, though made with OT equipment: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170 --Peter At 03:33 AM 11/4/2008 +0100, John Hudson wrote: >Seen here are a few shots of the autumn colours taken in Nova Scotia three >weeks ago. > >http://www.JohnHudsonPhoto.com/NovaScotia23.html > >Oly E510, Zuiko 12-60, ISO 200, shot RAW; monopod used for almost all shots. > >jh ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 07:47:17 2008 Received: (qmail 16281 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 06:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 06:47:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C08C2DE2; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:47:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:47:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail12.green.ch (mail12.green.ch [81.221.254.111]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC53DC2CC2 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:47:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from macbook.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:47:05 +0100 Message-ID: <490FEFE8.2060201@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:47:04 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <490F4F4B.4040103@interisland.net> <490F77B3.7010101@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <490F77B3.7010101@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2008 06:47:05.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[269D5670:01C93E49] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 07:47:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490feff5128601234514069 and the cat is lying down - any more differences ;-) Chuck Norcutt wrote: > He cheated. Note the displacement of the top of the chair relative to > the wall decoration. > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 08:39:07 2008 Received: (qmail 31425 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 07:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 07:39:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BD7C3729; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:38:56 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:38:56 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CF1C2CDD for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:38:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-104-115-140.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.115.140]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA47clKF031082 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:38:53 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:38:44 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <2AA377923C294AAF96341C2F734D81F4@jimnichols> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack+Q5ddeCqrJUAfS8K7yjfnhBPujgADItqQ X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 08:39:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 490ffc1b29171035110158 > > My enlarger and trays are still boxed up from a 1967 move. :-) > Geez, I thought we were bad, unpacked the last of the boxes about 2 years ago from our move to this house 20+ years ago ! ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 09:25:48 2008 Received: (qmail 18001 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 08:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 08:25:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA35C3625; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:25:36 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:25:36 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (mail.bbp.ch [193.73.134.71]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E26C3696 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:25:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from ronald.localdomain (unverified) by mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:25:39 +0100 Received: from ianwmac.local (unknown [172.22.111.60]) by ronald.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C425D04 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:25:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <491006FF.9010404@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:25:35 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <2EB105EF-F790-4638-A974-329E24CDB121@threeshoes.net> <020f01c87ddf$4d82b5d0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <02a401c87e30$e714f720$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <423A8797-B29C-4807-98A7-63EFA183F893@roadrunner.com> <47CDB56F.4000206@gmail.com> <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> In-Reply-To: <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 09:25:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910070c186871234514069 As a british Ex pat living in the middle of the european continent I realy miss fish and chips, bacon and cheshire cheese. Tea would be too much for me to do without so I have a healthy tea mountain in the cellar. Once in a while my wife give me a special treat - warning this picture contains undressed items. http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/4685260_iEgiA#407965983_7mkp8 i.e. no vinegar IanW -- Iechyd da IanW ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 09:28:16 2008 Received: (qmail 27068 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 08:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 08:28:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E37C318B; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:28:04 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:28:04 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD22C2F9E for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:28:03 +0100 (CET) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so2967505wfd.5 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:28:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Id97u1TfZ8x0Dul0LlCk1x28qFVg36aIrzU8HNrUEeU=; b=ixS/Jxa3hh112FKR1OCM+JbLU++xTrSyo2Dufjq0gosVvdLnJbb6W9/DPSpt7qGXAS YYY9KjUpG+qDtFXYR1DD53I3WwnRNLvuFQ2LbwIiuKCW8MEDSJ4dFUNd0ZOV9uFSBjAi P/C5d+PBvZTutS0Jl/vS8sduobv5grc8rcz5I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MiS2i21LqLiMlhG1izT/G8SZC2P5P6UWSIGehuEoITM3oeckTp3XitMyqGlonSIpkV 0RurWUchmZodJ37b/X2MZU6qJcQNeP47yKhH3kxtXIgveThabs6EAFhL8NJsfsJK5l5L Uo5RckQMCm0kn0DoKTdUsYiGW1DW+HL9S/lx0= Received: by 10.142.84.3 with SMTP id h3mr617806wfb.309.1225787282832; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:28:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-189-181.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.189.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm16976883wfc.5.2008.11.04.00.28.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:28:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4910078E.3030005@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:27:58 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express References: <490FC79C.5040203@interisland.net> <275DDC1F-FFA6-40ED-A963-54847B0CBBA4@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <275DDC1F-FFA6-40ED-A963-54847B0CBBA4@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 09:28:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491007a0292941702588592 Andrew Fildes wrote: > ... Hell, we're happy if he knows that we don't [...] fall off the > bottom of the planet from time to time. I sometimes do. Until I remember my Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 09:35:30 2008 Received: (qmail 10383 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 08:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 08:35:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4C3C2D17; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:35:18 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:35:18 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (mail.bbp.ch [193.73.134.71]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135AAC36A1 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:35:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from ronald.localdomain (unverified) by mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:35:21 +0100 Received: from ianwmac.local (unknown [172.22.111.60]) by ronald.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703AF5D04 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:35:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49100945.4040400@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:35:17 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <2EB105EF-F790-4638-A974-329E24CDB121@threeshoes.net> <020f01c87ddf$4d82b5d0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <02a401c87e30$e714f720$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <423A8797-B29C-4807-98A7-63EFA183F893@roadrunner.com> <47CDB56F.4000206@gmail.com> <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> In-Reply-To: <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 09:35:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49100952210131023412894 First impressions. I recieved my rather expensive vario nd filter combined with polariser, and was surprised at the thickness of it, they only do it in 77mm at the moment and on the 12-60 it vignets quite badly from 16 to 17mm down. so I held it in front of a 14-54 and there the vignetting is just visible at 14 mm so I will order an adapter ring and see how it looks on that. Unfortunately I have yet to find time to experiment with it but I hope with the winter coming I can find some time and interesting objects. I had read about someone using a circular polariser combined with linear to create a varying ND filter but decided to opt for the singh ray version as it seemed easier to use and if I can't find any for sale second hand thats usually a good sign. I am also planning on getting an IR filter to experiment with but will probably go with a cokin P system setup as I want to use some grad filters (any recommendations on the best to try first ) unless this list advises otherwise. -- Iechyd da IanW ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 09:38:16 2008 Received: (qmail 8744 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 08:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 08:38:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A350C34AC; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:38:04 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:38:04 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id A64E9C354F for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:38:02 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 16204 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 08:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 08:38:00 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:37:56 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 09:38:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491009f8171081585427447 Was that when you got the wine cellar finished? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 6:38 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > Geez, I thought we were bad, unpacked the last of the boxes about 2 > years > ago from our move to this house 20+ years ago ! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 09:43:37 2008 Received: (qmail 5226 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 08:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 08:43:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FF2C3550; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:43:25 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:43:25 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A505C383A for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:43:23 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 17549 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 08:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 08:43:21 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <491006FF.9010404@yahoo.co.uk> References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <2EB105EF-F790-4638-A974-329E24CDB121@threeshoes.net> <020f01c87ddf$4d82b5d0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <02a401c87e30$e714f720$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <423A8797-B29C-4807-98A7-63EFA183F893@roadrunner.com> <47CDB56F.4000206@gmail.com> <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> <491006FF.9010404@yahoo.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:43:16 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 09:43:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49100b39120222046811720 Tsk - the batter on the fish is too light, the peas aren't mushy, it's not in paper and the low cholesterol margarine shows that you're not serious about this. I understand that the Belgians invented F&C and so I take mayonaisse (proper stuff) with chips. HP sauce is just wrong in there and tomato sauce is just nasty stuff on anything. But there's the makings of a decent chip butty in there. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 7:25 PM, swisspace wrote: > As a british Ex pat living in the middle of the european continent I > realy miss fish and chips, bacon and cheshire cheese. Tea would be too > much for me to do without so I have a healthy tea mountain in the > cellar. > > Once in a while my wife give me a special treat - warning this picture > contains undressed items. > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/ > 4685260_iEgiA#407965983_7mkp8 > > i.e. no vinegar > > IanW > > > -- > Iechyd da > IanW > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 09:47:26 2008 Received: (qmail 10415 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 08:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 08:47:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35030C3436; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:47:15 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:47:15 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id CF3B9C2E1D for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:47:12 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 17800 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 08:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 08:47:10 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4910078E.3030005@gmail.com> References: <490FC79C.5040203@interisland.net> <275DDC1F-FFA6-40ED-A963-54847B0CBBA4@people.net.au> <4910078E.3030005@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:47:05 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 09:47:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49100c1e177191946193717 On 04/11/2008, at 7:27 PM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> ... Hell, we're happy if he knows that we don't [...] fall off the >> bottom of the planet from time to time. > > I sometimes do. Until I remember my Philosophiae Naturalis Principia > Mathematica. > > Cheers, > Marc > Which is why you go in for bottom posting no doubt. How much of the Principia can you remember then? I got bogged down in the introduction (bloody inductive reasoning!). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au www.pbase.com/afildes ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 09:55:33 2008 Received: (qmail 19161 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 08:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 08:55:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82B6C3F51; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:55:18 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:55:18 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.188]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4676C3957 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:55:01 +0100 (CET) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w1so3235181mue.9 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:55:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=I1louEvuX//+1nkfGr8cq1LwpJVjWCgBcognFd5jJb0=; b=jmked2TmHg8Ntgck16l3ElO7YwVsapsBcmi+1aix+zixHLKa+BaVNYmrHp2/u0MWlw RkA/FEKcPCIEw5jWgmu+mml7gtNrSr0VtdYLjF4ixVE1Ls12wG+uihWdzOytUZSlkiwo z9KTZOpWffqBGbN23o6EBzv1AgsKwF45a7Zew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nNDFsTgFoCYagUszgIUdiz16N4U2uIbt5FvE+sn4ZnUsU3CUuEWBWVhh2Clvy/3YKn HN3gQvF1olNOvB6cR416yvEuNHYKK5Ck00ICHeuM0D4XVqPCEPps2OUg+uH2PPUpK67w NiUv+e/XY3q/7lSwdfIiDAK6x+2uz2720Z+c8= Received: by 10.103.217.7 with SMTP id u7mr524001muq.111.1225788900558; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:55:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ianwmac.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s10sm10240107muh.12.2008.11.04.00.54.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:54:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49100DE1.2080800@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:54:57 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <2EB105EF-F790-4638-A974-329E24CDB121@threeshoes.net> <020f01c87ddf$4d82b5d0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <02a401c87e30$e714f720$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <423A8797-B29C-4807-98A7-63EFA183F893@roadrunner.com> <47CDB56F.4000206@gmail.com> <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> <491006FF.9010404@yahoo.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 09:55:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49100e05269471869477228 Like I said I really miss Fish N Chips, but this stops the cravings for a while. Life has really improved around here as you can now get tinned boddingtons beer in the supermarket and last year a reasonably decent curry house opened Andrew Fildes wrote: > Tsk - the batter on the fish is too light, the peas aren't mushy, > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 10:46:29 2008 Received: (qmail 17673 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 09:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 09:46:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512C1C32D6; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:46:15 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:46:15 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CF6C2DC7 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:46:13 +0100 (CET) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2320391wah.1 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:46:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=mezmgTE6U+EzAZOfUFqVUwwl19GOKNsdRtaEGoQSxj0=; b=RygCyHqgfpWQJ/wF8x2leNPLrLbRhZWU33KmFrY7L+oV0yx2g8dtFTpi0gwoslHuNQ 76bueT+kxxfRNKDMIET5nxCwdJ+2bcjO/0cNO+lyCPcSEOh1P+w51KN96TBn2cmVX25Y S66TKXHe2IE5ecYCqPCLDCKJULJknZMUaBOqM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=EKlA0zaknvbtPb5fJZ4xsR8ktpRcppu2mbxgRqwmcFlcLre3llgMB0eaHXxwrqWBXv z7LP584xTSiDhZ9R/WnwaDiZexqyUX8nmMBTxgwO36N7g8Gvq1G1jXWnvZhJhUO4G0lT xkgJTw0aete+s/LtO4IOPtEJCInu71DBW4dac= Received: by 10.114.127.1 with SMTP id z1mr782770wac.203.1225791972365; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:46:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840811040146o17c8b0f2nf5f1ee0111dd0c95@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:46:12 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better In-Reply-To: <491006FF.9010404@yahoo.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <2EB105EF-F790-4638-A974-329E24CDB121@threeshoes.net> <020f01c87ddf$4d82b5d0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <02a401c87e30$e714f720$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <423A8797-B29C-4807-98A7-63EFA183F893@roadrunner.com> <47CDB56F.4000206@gmail.com> <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> <491006FF.9010404@yahoo.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 542a349d0c4d992c X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 10:46:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491019f5193691529615919 Yeah, but there are two empty plates - what is Kerstin going to eat? Jez, Brit ex-pat living in chip.paradise.be with real mayo. But no battered fish. (However only 3 km from http://www.stonemanor.uk.com/ - source of bacon, cheshire cheese (prefer Wensleydale), Bird's custard, Sunday Times, etc and Argos delivery point!) On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:25 AM, swisspace wrote: > As a british Ex pat living in the middle of the european continent I > realy miss fish and chips, bacon and cheshire cheese. Tea would be too > much for me to do without so I have a healthy tea mountain in the cellar. > > Once in a while my wife give me a special treat - warning this picture > contains undressed items. > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/4685260_iEgiA#407965983_7mkp8 > > i.e. no vinegar > > IanW ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 10:48:36 2008 Received: (qmail 30852 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 09:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 09:48:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5F2C2EEC; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:48:24 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:48:24 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DFBC31C1 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:48:23 +0100 (CET) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2321138wah.1 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:48:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=NJkCmBKOqxPKW/8m6FwoFlmkrmstd9htmJrPi70jtIY=; b=qBXfOAX4+VpuT75KLsKQDwR9nyG28w+H5nioVPdDgdUxJdZ2ZJYt23/CjoIzxfqBxb tUb7w8fMSWxMGYIdEsJ5XmrFPLbflS2vrK7eopM+y2wvTIkUF9sHfCqSMyV4/dnrTD1p Rrl1MroIGCPIcxSHjS7kz91ACQFwDGEUcpBbM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=qh7g778XGc3WdurzbjJHNQ6xWs/a7U/1t8Zvn2L6kjWTIj+CdgiZo/Tj8FqGlptNZN ozM44vVWA72gkjpyWHexYieIjkgS/bnfjN7ydsHAQW9Gh4F/G/SqCvb5yDIfkqGgDL8u U1f7KIwZk6FGXSN5G1yY2A83YrtgWKbZEJOGE= Received: by 10.115.111.1 with SMTP id o1mr800048wam.114.1225792102283; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:48:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:48:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840811040148l69f7567fg27369afdeec61136@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:48:22 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 03/11/2008: Danish bagerjomfru In-Reply-To: <405BACF3-221E-4DFD-A386-4ADB9CAFECB6@frozenlight.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <405BACF3-221E-4DFD-A386-4ADB9CAFECB6@frozenlight.eu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 71897d27754278f2 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 10:48:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49101a73211311823421471 NW: Traditionally they were family businesses, with the father baking the bread in the wee hours of the morning, and then leaving the shop in the hands of his wife and a usually also a young girl to help out. Yup, that's how it works in our village... Jez On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:30 AM, Nathan wrote: > > Visiting Denmark this week, and taking pictures of course. Yesterday > morning I walked to the local bakery with my friend. Danish bakeries > are the best in the world. Traditionally they were family businesses, > with the father baking the bread in the wee hours of the morning, and > then leaving the shop in the hands of his wife and a usually also a > young girl to help out. In fact, the traditional name of the girl > selling bread in a bakery is "bagerjomfru", literally translated > "baker virgin". I don't know if this one is a virgin (didn't ask...) > but the bread we bought was delicious in any event: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#409726187_TYB7U-O-LB > > Nathan ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 10:52:56 2008 Received: (qmail 28872 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 09:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 09:52:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BEBC3D4A; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:52:37 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:52:37 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8629EC3D9D for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:51:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-104-115-140.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.115.140]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA49pi1x024715 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:51:53 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:51:41 +1100 Message-ID: <883B97A173524AF1B0E3A9D163E8679C@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack+WK7z53VARj7HRCSPbFyxJtjoeAACdKxA X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 10:52:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49101b78104691035110158 > > Was that when you got the wine cellar finished? > Andrew Fildes Nope, the wine was all unpacked early ! I think the last boxes to be opened were old uni stuff, FORTRAN programs on paper tape, 1/2" mag tape reels with experimental data, thick manila folders full of photocopied papers, etc. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 10:54:45 2008 Received: (qmail 16592 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 09:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 09:54:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A54C3DC6; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:54:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:54:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB17C3AAC for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:54:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-104-115-140.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.115.140]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA49s4cZ004694 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:54:09 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:54:01 +1100 Message-ID: <1B37FD179A3F41FC962D4453245E1256@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack+WW7gXezdQcrxRRq0vnntoc2VCQACZcPw X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 10:54:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49101be5277591257536491 > > Tsk - the batter on the fish is too light, the peas aren't mushy, > it's not in paper and the low cholesterol margarine shows > that you're > not serious about this. > I understand that the Belgians invented F&C and so I take mayonaisse > (proper stuff) with chips. > HP sauce is just wrong in there and tomato sauce is just nasty stuff > on anything. > But there's the makings of a decent chip butty in there. > I like a good sweet chilli sauce with my fish & chips, fish has to be flake too. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 11:31:12 2008 Received: (qmail 19026 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 10:31:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 10:31:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACDD3C4679; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:30:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:30:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B458EC44AE for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:28:22 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 8010 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 10:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 10:28:21 -0000 Message-ID: <491023C4.9070709@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:28:20 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [IMG] Sunset References: <965198.69443.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <965198.69443.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 11:31:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910247070831823421471 "...we turned NE towards Providence." I'm trying to figure out which sun you were watching setting in the north east. :-) But, yes, I got the picture. Wish I'd seen it. Chuck Norcutt Willie Wonka wrote: > Well, > > The image is imprinted on my brain. > > I was returning from a business trip and saw the best sunset evah. > > It was about six o'clock (be4 the time change) and after a reaching the most eastern tip of Long Island, we turned NE towards Providence. > > At that time, the sun was about an inch above the horizon and looked like the perfect orange. The sky around it was golden and bright, but further it transitioned into fire and then getting darker and darker. I especially enjoyed the twinkling stars swimming in the deep blue-purple ocean right above my head. > > The ocean mirrowed the fire in teh sky. Absolutely no light was being reflected off of any of teh islands or Connecticut/Rhode Island coast features and all of the land appeared darker than the blackest black you have even imagined. > > I did not have a camera, but even if I did, I wazent going to miss a moment like this and...there were too many reflections from the double glass/plastic that would ruin the picture and my mood... > > That was the best sunset I have ever seen either "in person" or photographed by someone else. My English is not very good looking, but I hope that you "get the picture"...:) > > Boris > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 11:36:03 2008 Received: (qmail 14719 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 10:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 10:36:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03287C4674; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:35:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:35:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C29C4C73 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:33:08 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 10724 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 10:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 10:33:07 -0000 Message-ID: <491024E3.3080605@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:33:07 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <10869930.29481225723607329.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <490F7768.7000304@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 11:36:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910259388501470116606 I didn't realize that packaging trick. Agreed. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > As I understand it, Chuck, the sub-primes were packaged with other > investments at varying levels of risk. The risks were apparently > indeterminate, a different sort of idiocy, I think. > > Chris > > On 3 Nov 2008, at 22:12, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> If investors acted like idiots when they originally bought all those >> high risk, sub-prime, US mortgage securities what makes you think they >> would act any more intelligently today? :-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 11:39:14 2008 Received: (qmail 28254 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 10:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 10:39:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42ED8C48B4; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:59 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:38:59 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AD1C4718 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:36:54 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 12296 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 10:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 10:36:53 -0000 Message-ID: <491025C5.5030104@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:36:53 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 03/11/2008: Danish bagerjomfru References: <405BACF3-221E-4DFD-A386-4ADB9CAFECB6@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <405BACF3-221E-4DFD-A386-4ADB9CAFECB6@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 11:39:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49102652177481585427447 That's a lot of bread. Seems you bought 42 euros worth. :-) Chuck Norcutt Nathan wrote: > Visiting Denmark this week, and taking pictures of course. Yesterday > morning I walked to the local bakery with my friend. Danish bakeries > are the best in the world. Traditionally they were family businesses, > with the father baking the bread in the wee hours of the morning, and > then leaving the shop in the hands of his wife and a usually also a > young girl to help out. In fact, the traditional name of the girl > selling bread in a bakery is "bagerjomfru", literally translated > "baker virgin". I don't know if this one is a virgin (didn't ask...) > but the bread we bought was delicious in any event: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#409726187_TYB7U-O-LB > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 11:45:39 2008 Received: (qmail 1271 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 10:45:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 10:45:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F241AC39F5; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:45:26 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:45:26 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A833C39D8 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:44:06 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 15793 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 10:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 10:44:05 -0000 Message-ID: <49102775.5040606@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:44:05 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Red Maple References: <5.1.0.14.2.20081103222613.027a8ea8@mail.threshinc.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20081103222613.027a8ea8@mail.threshinc.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 11:45:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491027d3133051342116753 Lots of gorgeous stuff there but my favorite was the first one. Chuck Norcutt Peter Klein wrote: > Just gorgeous, John. I like the last one the best for the color, and some > of the ones with water near the beginning are also spectacular. I grew up > in New England, and I do miss it a bit in the fall. The Northwest doesn't > have nearly the colors I grew up with (though it has other things to > recommend it). Had to drive up into the mountains a couple of weeks ago to > see our little Vine Maples turn red. Most trees in the city that turn red > are not native. > > There are a few "fall colors" pictures on this page, though made with OT > equipment: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170 > > --Peter > > At 03:33 AM 11/4/2008 +0100, John Hudson wrote: > >> Seen here are a few shots of the autumn colours taken in Nova Scotia three >> weeks ago. >> >> http://www.JohnHudsonPhoto.com/NovaScotia23.html >> >> Oly E510, Zuiko 12-60, ISO 200, shot RAW; monopod used for almost all shots. >> >> jh > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 11:49:23 2008 Received: (qmail 9901 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 10:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 10:49:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92D2C2CC5; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:49:08 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:49:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B77C2E4B for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:49:07 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 18232 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 10:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 10:49:06 -0000 Message-ID: <491028A1.3020705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:49:05 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <2EB105EF-F790-4638-A974-329E24CDB121@threeshoes.net> <020f01c87ddf$4d82b5d0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <02a401c87e30$e714f720$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <423A8797-B29C-4807-98A7-63EFA183F893@roadrunner.com> <47CDB56F.4000206@gmail.com> <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> <49100945.4040400@yahoo.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49100945.4040400@yahoo.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 11:49:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491028b3119191257536491 Why would you use a grad filter on a digital image? Chuck Norcutt swisspace wrote: > First impressions. > > I recieved my rather expensive vario nd filter combined with polariser, > and was surprised at the thickness of it, they only do it in 77mm at the > moment and on the 12-60 it vignets quite badly from 16 to 17mm down. so > I held it in front of a 14-54 and there the vignetting is just visible > at 14 mm so I will order an adapter ring and see how it looks on that. > Unfortunately I have yet to find time to experiment with it but I hope > with the winter coming I can find some time and interesting objects. > > I had read about someone using a circular polariser combined with linear > to create a varying ND filter but decided to opt for the singh ray > version as it seemed easier to use and if I can't find any for sale > second hand thats usually a good sign. > > I am also planning on getting an IR filter to experiment with but will > probably go with a cokin P system setup as I want to use some grad > filters (any recommendations on the best to try first ) unless this list > advises otherwise. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 12:06:45 2008 Received: (qmail 28709 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 11:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 11:06:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CD8C2AB3; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:06:34 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:06:34 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D41C2C0D for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:06:31 +0100 (CET) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2348546wah.1 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:06:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=jgMOa2txKYHK7pxGlafaTQPMQB10x6z7kPmXWP2jiPQ=; b=IYPEpMVE6y9yA6dmP/RCwxpGxtlUpWFkWzYNesi88mdpLSQK6m82zE1KslL/pMAq9Y Av/6Lck6tw2o1fP/zmapwslJwZ8pS4vLtwJWbLO4fhLvkvnS6EDE9Ypa21hPfYPWs8+A bCBwZ3pfRFlZLMgHhlP8FBAhKcfM+iKQ4Egls= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=RFMG4SzoOaW04y2Wgw22CQV2bKxBNd1xVIimEGrcxZWxWv576aWzlflzhNpdCOhCNp GEGNstxBt607hQ/ASb4NAkkUCyEZFT1uXfh54ZRHhLPfnTabVhP+8iCM7cdpsOLCb7/5 kf5bSXX0ktLU7Gt6U7BJQ2Xnvu0vd/YwoUBUA= Received: by 10.115.54.7 with SMTP id g7mr828275wak.212.1225796460365; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:01:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840811040301n59609e1q65e62ba92f96916c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:01:00 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 03/11/2008: Danish bagerjomfru In-Reply-To: <491025C5.5030104@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <405BACF3-221E-4DFD-A386-4ADB9CAFECB6@frozenlight.eu> <491025C5.5030104@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: da84038693c8e588 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 12:06:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49102cc5197271257536491 Very observant!!! Maybe those Danish pastries are expensive... Jez On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Chuck Norcutt < chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com> wrote: > That's a lot of bread. Seems you bought 42 euros worth. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 12:07:13 2008 Received: (qmail 18968 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 11:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 11:07:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E0FC2FB5; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:07:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:07:01 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0861C2988 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:07:00 +0100 (CET) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2348546wah.1 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:07:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=nlDzDDS+lzXZsuSB5cmaMGs9QJn59L7xVwlMOjWNkdM=; b=SQCLqbjVbzFhQfei0/GmF3dRA+ir/WTCBtTecaYOLglC7dqz3PJowPjKzpQ2RGtqHb LIL0CBC8Kfq47lopUju6TCd9JdBDeZj6cJvCONBBFHgQvzjAYyEcfERQh3r74xTsk5cH 9fjGn/QnODszdtH7kf4IpjdXrZjBk9TZ6BcSA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=RNyCzAbUx/L19kO76/ybf8yjjckwDO1lnLm60Zkw4BrZn0/eMGZ5jdcSpfCl92p0Ds lPzjg+iHegtCgqC5mtrmWy1ZgcyO5t1sSpT980JLQOXsGEhrffRkswGUk/aGutfHr9Fg kKxwdt1gUOYFq+IaFEFECmDbLzP8tX1K/xCfo= Received: by 10.114.170.2 with SMTP id s2mr839445wae.170.1225796820645; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:07:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:07:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840811040307u41d3d96dpc3a61f9e4d3d1796@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:07:00 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions In-Reply-To: <491028A1.3020705@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <2EB105EF-F790-4638-A974-329E24CDB121@threeshoes.net> <020f01c87ddf$4d82b5d0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <02a401c87e30$e714f720$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <423A8797-B29C-4807-98A7-63EFA183F893@roadrunner.com> <47CDB56F.4000206@gmail.com> <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> <49100945.4040400@yahoo.co.uk> <491028A1.3020705@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d69d0bae1f5f0dfd X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 12:07:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49102ce1144291234514069 Maybe to reduce the DR? On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Chuck Norcutt < chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com> wrote: > Why would you use a grad filter on a digital image? > > Chuck Norcutt > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 12:14:58 2008 Received: (qmail 16251 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 11:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 11:14:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0013FC2A95; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:14:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:14:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out2.tiscali.nl (smtp-out2.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18DDC2B78 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:14:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out2.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1KxJry-0006Rl-Jg for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:14:46 +0100 From: Frank@vanLindert.nl To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 03/11/2008: Danish bagerjomfru Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:14:38 +0100 Message-ID: <6db0h4deb06saf2onrccpkcva1jj7e83m8@4ax.com> References: <405BACF3-221E-4DFD-A386-4ADB9CAFECB6@frozenlight.eu> <491025C5.5030104@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040301n59609e1q65e62ba92f96916c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840811040301n59609e1q65e62ba92f96916c@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Frank@vanLindert.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 12:14:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49102eb291043675314703 I take it that the price is in Danish Krone.. DKR 1.00 = EUR 0.134. So this purchase of beautiful bread would cost about 5.64 euro! Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:01:00 +0100, "Jez Cunningham" wrote: > >Very observant!!! >Maybe those Danish pastries are expensive... >Jez > >On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Chuck Norcutt < >chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com> wrote: > >> That's a lot of bread. Seems you bought 42 euros worth. :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt > > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 12:20:38 2008 Received: (qmail 20791 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 11:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 11:20:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F748C35C1; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:20:26 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:20:26 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtagate1.de.ibm.com (mtagate1.de.ibm.com [195.212.17.161]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED72BC2BD2 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:20:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate1.de.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA4BKMPc001010 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:20:22 GMT Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id mA4BKMYe3141816 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:20:22 +0100 Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id mA4BKMZD024745 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:20:22 +0100 Received: from d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.166.154]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mA4BKDQN024435 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:20:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: <491025C5.5030104@chucknorcutt.com> X-Disclaimed: 21042 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 03/11/2008: Danish bagerjomfru X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 Message-ID: From: Ralf Loi Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:20:08 +0100 X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 04/11/2008 12.20.12, Serialize by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 04/11/2008 12.20.12, Serialize complete at 04/11/2008 12.20.12, S/MIME Sign failed at 04/11/2008 12.20.12: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on D12ML401/12/M/IBM(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 04/11/2008 12:20:12, Serialize complete at 04/11/2008 12:20:12 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ralf_loi@it.ibm.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 12:20:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910300633201744846740 << That's a lot of bread. Seems you bought 42 euros worth. :-) >> It must be the young girl's fault and Nathan doesn't see :-) (But, IIRC, 42 danish crowns are roughly 5 euros) Ralf ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 12:29:06 2008 Received: (qmail 23164 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 11:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 11:29:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1404C3299; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:28:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:28:54 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 810BDC2967 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:28:52 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 9483 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 11:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 11:28:49 -0000 In-Reply-To: <1B37FD179A3F41FC962D4453245E1256@meo.dec.com> References: <1B37FD179A3F41FC962D4453245E1256@meo.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:28:44 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 12:29:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49103202307231869477228 Don't tell them about Flake! - they eat some of us, we eat lots of them... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 8:54 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > I like a good sweet chilli sauce with my fish & chips, fish has to > be flake > too. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 12:38:52 2008 Received: (qmail 11933 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 11:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 11:38:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400C3C3323; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:38:40 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:38:40 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AE1C3071 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:38:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <20252342.29961225799194599.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-218-101.wbs.co.za ([41.208.218.101]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 139 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:46:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:38:27 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 12:38:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910344b69898512572685 Hi, Is there anybody who has a working, good-condition 8mm OM fisheye to sell me? I am prepared to pay for a good sample, but I don't quite know what the going rates are, so if anybody has theirs sitting on a shelf, and would rather it get some good use in traditional B&W out in South Africa, I'd love to buy it. regards, Dawid ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 12:43:51 2008 Received: (qmail 18690 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 11:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 11:43:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DCCC36E1; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:43:35 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:43:35 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A46AC2EBC for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:43:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so3055316wfd.5 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:43:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=LqCBssZYB2Pzh6lCFvjbegZF4LVaSRjET4K5EX+FqS8=; b=ssUBPJ7z/wBEIIiqatcJqJZwsy9tFu34uyLHVowzJrcq4kSgkJOFpX7CNgCXaS06Xb H7ou4TnCP7ru3bXbK/E+OcUcs+88e0pvorX3V3Dequ8Oya7K39FQ7MIqQORHAqifu9Og E5BalppGXlFmmqFpXxHnSJKDk3RDO+OHSBJX8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=BktETZSgDnyJzntzpojZvf5RHCNk5qJ0APwnKdxxUOY0NxnzimQa7N585T5p72JzE2 DIgazZbag4HnZbtJyrBPaioDlQg05pX+HJ6eLN4a4FK0+yA1wdP5U+gH0CAvK2gU/+sb r2cVoMeGMDD/BPvC9e1178H0UXC2+8zX/syyM= Received: by 10.142.162.9 with SMTP id k9mr719183wfe.211.1225799009927; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:43:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.238.6 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:43:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:43:29 +0800 From: "Sandy Harris" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye In-Reply-To: <20252342.29961225799194599.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20252342.29961225799194599.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: sandyinchina@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 12:43:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49103577247102070262475 On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Is there anybody who has a working, good-condition 8mm OM fisheye > to sell me? ... A comparison pint: New Russian 8mm/3.5 $399 http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/olympus-lenses.htm -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 12:52:16 2008 Received: (qmail 21761 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 11:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 11:52:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E23C2F15; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:52:05 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:52:05 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8B2C3371 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:52:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-104-115-140.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.115.140]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA4BppDD017964 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:52:01 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:51:48 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <20252342.29961225799194599.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack+cem1OSdUt8C0R6azFp4zK1xaAgAATgbw X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 12:52:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49103770208711993019900 > > Is there anybody who has a working, good-condition 8mm OM > fisheye to sell me? I am prepared to pay for a good sample, > but I don't quite > know > what the going rates are, so if anybody has theirs sitting on > a shelf, > and would > rather it get some good use in traditional B&W out in South Africa, > I'd love > to buy it. > I think most of them have probably picked up the dreaded rear element infection by now - just be very careful to inspect it before you buy. Remember the same amount of light has to get through the small rear element as comes through the big front element so a blemish on the FE is insignificant compared to any blemish on the RE. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 12:56:38 2008 Received: (qmail 26704 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 11:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 11:56:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE0EC398E; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:56:27 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:56:27 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7D3C3238 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:56:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <7461508.29971225800261865.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-218-101.wbs.co.za ([41.208.218.101]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 395 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:04:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:56:09 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 12:56:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49103876127178512572685 Thanks wayne, yes, I am also worried about the (unavailable) rear element, and the problems some people have with them. So, for a decent price, it would have to be a copy with a clean rear element, otherwise it would have to be substantially discounted. But even so - surely there must be some sitting around not being used - and what better place to look for than on this list? On 04 Nov 2008, at 1:51 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > I think most of them have probably picked up the dreaded rear element > infection by now - just be very careful to inspect it before you buy. > Remember the same amount of light has to get through the small rear > element > as comes through the big front element so a blemish on the FE is > insignificant compared to any blemish on the RE. > > ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 12:58:34 2008 Received: (qmail 22190 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 11:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 11:58:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1A5C3E1E; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:58:22 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:58:22 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4D5C3300 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:58:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <17104768.29981225800378181.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-218-101.wbs.co.za ([41.208.218.101]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 5 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:06:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:58:11 +0200 References: <20252342.29961225799194599.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 12:58:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491038ea86691234514069 Thank you Sandy, I am aware of the Peleng and Zenitar lenses, although I would really first like to get my hands on the zuiko version. Much better build, optics, etc - I've handled the Peleng and wasn't impressed. You see, having sold all my expensive Canon digital gear, I can afford to splurge a bit on some Zuiko exotics, and I would really like the 8mm. Will look at some of the better teles later, otherwise I am very happy at the moment. On 04 Nov 2008, at 1:43 PM, Sandy Harris wrote: > A comparison pint: New Russian 8mm/3.5 $399 > http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/olympus-lenses.htm ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 12:58:57 2008 Received: (qmail 27716 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 11:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 11:58:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2255EC3CA1; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:58:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:58:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059BBC2EF0 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:58:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-104-115-140.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.115.140]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA4BwWXx005187 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:58:42 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:58:29 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ack+cpyGMWH7snr1TrWOMFKnoUk+3AAAWbKw X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 12:58:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49103901282611035110158 > > > Is there anybody who has a working, good-condition 8mm OM > fisheye to > > sell me? ... > > A comparison pint: New Russian 8mm/3.5 $399 > http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/olympus-lenses.htm > Perhaps the Peleng would be "good enough", it has a preset diaphragm and any images I've seen from them seem to have bright areas around the edge of the circular image due to reflections in the lens. Mine works well enough on the E-510 where the circular edges are cropped and it's essentially a full frame fisheye. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 13:07:59 2008 Received: (qmail 23116 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 12:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 12:07:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52E1C2FB0; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:07:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:07:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC1CC3719 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:07:46 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 26550 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 12:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 12:07:45 -0000 Message-ID: <49103B11.3040401@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:07:45 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list Subject: [OM] Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 13:07:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49103b1f18991823421471 Tom Fenwick asked me some usage questions about the Canyon EE-s focusing screen I mentioned here recently. That's the one that is designed to improve manual focus but is recommended only for lenses of f/2.8 or faster. I had to beg off because I soon gave up using the thing because of poor eyesight. I have a fair amount of astigmatism in both eyes and, during my most recent vision check a week ago I discovered that it has grown worse and both eyes are now quite different from each other. Up until about 1-1/2 years ago I had been able to make do on manual focusing with just a simple diopter adjustment... either a slip on for the early OMs or the built-in diopter adjustment on the Mynolta A1, Canyon 5D and, the most recent acquisition, an OM-4 from Moose. But now I have a different problem. I can get away with hyperfocal methods when using shorter Zuiko primes for landscape work but, as I said in my reply to Tom, if I'm ever to use my manual focus macros again (Zuiko 50/3.5 and Viv. S1 90/2.5 with 1:1 adapter) I'm going to have to come to grips with the astigmatism. So my question is how do y'all recommend I do this? A separate correction lens for the viewfinder? If so, how do I attach it and account for the need for correct rotational positioning of a lens designed for astigmatic correction? Or do I just use my distance vision glasses and adjust the diopter dial on the camera as needed. I've also just ordered my first ever set of bifocals. They've not arrived yet. Any problems with using them looking through the viewfinder? Thanks, Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 13:09:08 2008 Received: (qmail 12979 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 12:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 12:09:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA12C39D4; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:08:56 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:08:56 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77421C306D for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:08:55 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 26998 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 12:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 12:08:54 -0000 Message-ID: <49103B56.3020201@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:08:54 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 03/11/2008: Danish bagerjomfru References: <405BACF3-221E-4DFD-A386-4ADB9CAFECB6@frozenlight.eu> <491025C5.5030104@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040301n59609e1q65e62ba92f96916c@mail.gmail.com> <6db0h4deb06saf2onrccpkcva1jj7e83m8@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <6db0h4deb06saf2onrccpkcva1jj7e83m8@4ax.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 13:09:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49103b6494917927319144 Do the Danes not use Euros? Chuck Norcutt Frank@vanLindert.nl wrote: > I take it that the price is in Danish Krone.. DKR 1.00 = EUR 0.134. So > this purchase of beautiful bread would cost about 5.64 euro! > > Frank van Lindert > Utrecht NL. > > > Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:01:00 +0100, "Jez Cunningham" > wrote: > >> Very observant!!! >> Maybe those Danish pastries are expensive... >> Jez >> >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Chuck Norcutt < >> chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com> wrote: >> >>> That's a lot of bread. 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(chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 12:12:30 -0000 Message-ID: <49103C2D.8060704@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:12:29 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <2EB105EF-F790-4638-A974-329E24CDB121@threeshoes.net> <020f01c87ddf$4d82b5d0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <02a401c87e30$e714f720$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <423A8797-B29C-4807-98A7-63EFA183F893@roadrunner.com> <47CDB56F.4000206@gmail.com> <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> <49100945.4040400@yahoo.co.uk> <491028A1.3020705@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040307u41d3d96dpc3a61f9e4d3d1796@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840811040307u41d3d96dpc3a61f9e4d3d1796@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 13:12:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49103c3c237603675314703 Yes, of course. I've never used one but it makes sense to me to use the Cokin system where I think you can vary the vertical position of the filter. Chuck Norcutt Jez Cunningham wrote: > Maybe to reduce the DR? > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Chuck Norcutt < > chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com> wrote: > >> Why would you use a grad filter on a digital image? >> >> Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 13:12:55 2008 Received: (qmail 14197 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 12:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 12:12:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699FAC3505; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:12:44 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:12:44 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.236]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847B0C383C for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:12:37 +0100 (CET) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3173615rvb.29 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:12:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=5o9iYZMMiyFv8jjk1AkyHtxyAPSIwtRinF+TIAVRrOg=; b=AjdLcFZph5k5O9o112byWTPoTrmiW0nSLZ4a/Br5kNUya5YgO7dPsxcvy3FqPZp+5J QU1sZ9ZF2zvxwULCJmY3h94OXYaiPd/wJtJtRbMQ0yedCwvRGG2MY16MLB+LN6M75q3l 89dhUqhHeJOmf7E+JSClzVOJ/3R+RONzHgPjA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=X4pEpWU8PDgD9jD1eiClqRiAzNhphxFpyte2aARSqOBUKG2rc8sUeZRisudc/i8Ybc AC7Pr4eL213tMVO6AgSkFtECzP1XwFk0xKPswD9JkfxbcLYVQmFXvcWxPDrW3lZJn0v5 MmvAjnTwhwavwi1YMtpnTx1HnTjMwv9VkR3TI= Received: by 10.115.73.20 with SMTP id a20mr906089wal.32.1225800756591; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:12:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:12:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840811040412t634f44abtb8e637139c108f2f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:12:36 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 03/11/2008: Danish bagerjomfru In-Reply-To: <49103B56.3020201@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <405BACF3-221E-4DFD-A386-4ADB9CAFECB6@frozenlight.eu> <491025C5.5030104@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040301n59609e1q65e62ba92f96916c@mail.gmail.com> <6db0h4deb06saf2onrccpkcva1jj7e83m8@4ax.com> <49103B56.3020201@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9968e8615e96151c X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 13:12:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49103c47192841585427447 Nope. Pegged to the Euro tho'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurozone Jez On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Do the Danes not use Euros? > > Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 13:13:54 2008 Received: (qmail 17007 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 12:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 12:13:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F7EC3C65; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:13:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:13:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCB8C3D2B for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:13:41 +0100 (CET) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3174086rvb.29 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:13:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+aU5DgB7L31bQVlzmREHxjoUr3unwSyva0Lz6lJzAcM=; b=J6+/1EMmnQOkqkMipt+maR10YeJZCrC+VJUhBMReiCBGG8UEnfMHSGBmdE6VtEfEYJ j6toZ39M9gkND66rq0DjoW4PXTZunHORE/VhlAM6sTOUbkQgs+WCJm/xObzUaWvopQZl p403LI3Xas4ll6khS+6VHZcvaNC355TKhCKpA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ClySlSZLJZgwZP5mbwn9HmLr9tuP2IjUax0XPNeMJ/eC0MmMSkqdziXsImtexdjuup /Vk7SuDXl8jr45xzdgXU0QzofkDOcUIdcQNryhASLZB0OIajoN7vO3i/yZaQ/zKVKIK+ C31fNVOtNLELr/jsIFrSHtaUsVLczBQMHfpkA= Received: by 10.142.147.20 with SMTP id u20mr749283wfd.47.1225800820659; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-189-181.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.189.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm17549795wfd.4.2008.11.04.04.13.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:13:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49103C70.1020805@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:13:36 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better References: <1B37FD179A3F41FC962D4453245E1256@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: <1B37FD179A3F41FC962D4453245E1256@meo.dec.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 13:13:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49103c82272431823421471 Wayne Harridge wrote: > I like a good sweet chilli sauce with my fish & chips, fish has to be flake > too. I don't like fishnchips. Now if you swap the fish out for a chiko roll or a couple of dimmies or some scallopes (99% batter), with a side of a large vat of tomato sauce, and we're talking! 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(124-171-189-181.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.189.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm17419555wfd.7.2008.11.04.04.13.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:13:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49103C77.10105@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:13:43 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express References: <490FC79C.5040203@interisland.net> <275DDC1F-FFA6-40ED-A963-54847B0CBBA4@people.net.au> <4910078E.3030005@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 13:14:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49103c8c91181234514069 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Which is why you go in for bottom posting no doubt. How much of the > Principia can you remember then? I got bogged down in the > introduction (bloody inductive reasoning!). Oh, no, I just remember to *bring* it - it's just heavy enough that it lends the situation sufficient gravity to ground me (conductive reasoning?). Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 13:16:30 2008 Received: (qmail 13857 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 12:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 12:16:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625F4C2942; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:16:19 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:16:19 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50B4C3028 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:16:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <20360226.29991225801454648.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-218-101.wbs.co.za ([41.208.218.101]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 734 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:24:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <49103B11.3040401@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:16:07 +0200 References: <49103B11.3040401@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 13:16:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49103d1e192803675314703 Hi Chuck, I am afraid I do not know very much about optometry, but can't they surgically correct your astigmatism? I thought it was possible to do reliably these days. I would imagine a bit of pain and suffering would ultimately make the true solution worth it. Good luck! On 04 Nov 2008, at 2:07 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > ... I'm going to have to > come to grips with the astigmatism. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 13:21:15 2008 Received: (qmail 29843 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 12:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 12:21:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E09FC2BD2; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:21:03 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:21:03 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB00C2CB3 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:21:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <7437417.30001225801738902.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-218-101.wbs.co.za ([41.208.218.101]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 604 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:28:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <49103C2D.8060704@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:20:51 +0200 References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <2EB105EF-F790-4638-A974-329E24CDB121@threeshoes.net> <020f01c87ddf$4d82b5d0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <02a401c87e30$e714f720$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <423A8797-B29C-4807-98A7-63EFA183F893@roadrunner.com> <47CDB56F.4000206@gmail.com> <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> <49100945.4040400@yahoo.co.uk> <491028A1.3020705@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040307u41d3d96dpc3a61f9e4d3d1796@mail.gmail.com> <49103C2D.8060704@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 13:21:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49103e3b311181702588592 I use Cokin X-Pro graduated filters on my Linhof 617, and I have been nothing but very happy with them (shooting mostly Provia 100F). On the other hand, I must say, if you're doing digital landscape photography, and you need more dynamic range, why not just do HDR? It'll end up being quicker and easier than fiddling about with square filters. You're on a tripod in anyway... On 04 Nov 2008, at 2:12 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Yes, of course. I've never used one but it makes sense to me to use > the > Cokin system where I think you can vary the vertical position of the > filter. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 13:26:11 2008 Received: (qmail 30295 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 12:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 12:26:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8FEC3BD7; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:25:58 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:25:58 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9C3C2894 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:25:58 +0100 (CET) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so2562908fge.11 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:25:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FbrBcQ60sMqAl8n7w5N8kZOGr0qDFD98hae9V8hFmIE=; b=gFo85+wHrLcAOJLpA8eL2eAM6va0jy5szKV6Tdtes2tC69sav7w2Rl1dmuWmbFZLdN speSyulqWYzWFLyACkrFseMZbHPVBZM1Ti+eMC+CzlPxQ08+PR4Zu+XvajP68KoBziyh d2LwHBqYNG8neMo778wRUQ2FjJtYO9L8BEDv4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=n6fsU833Hb1A2/DgMDhmVOZXAufBJP49OZcxQp5AAR1rmhF7MjQdaUUW1GbluPEYZW n743QxOy1htHZsY41Xrvjd+eWQJisQNbJEVARZC2Ja/uZrhXM1r6WEkiKrQgx2KDhpFZ twnVRTBCIggGhOePI6V7XZQxYsJRRwe+AR3CI= Received: by 10.103.117.8 with SMTP id u8mr647349mum.76.1225801557808; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ianwmac.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g1sm32289995muf.8.2008.11.04.04.25.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:25:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49103F53.4050903@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:25:55 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <2EB105EF-F790-4638-A974-329E24CDB121@threeshoes.net> <020f01c87ddf$4d82b5d0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <02a401c87e30$e714f720$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <423A8797-B29C-4807-98A7-63EFA183F893@roadrunner.com> <47CDB56F.4000206@gmail.com> <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> <49100945.4040400@yahoo.co.uk> <491028A1.3020705@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <491028A1.3020705@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 13:26:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49103f63151203675314703 Because I don't know how to do it in photoshop and I think the dynamic range of my E-3 doesn't cover enough. Highlight and shadow recovery can save some but often they are not enough. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Why would you use a grad filter on a digital image? > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 13:43:07 2008 Received: (qmail 25581 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 12:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 12:43:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845B1C30A4; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:42:55 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:42:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D33EC27DE for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:42:54 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 14433 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 12:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 12:42:53 -0000 Message-ID: <4910434D.5050506@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:42:53 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder References: <49103B11.3040401@chucknorcutt.com> <20360226.29991225801454648.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <20360226.29991225801454648.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 13:43:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910435b230025368819438 I don't know but perhaps so. But I would be leery of a surgical solution since my eyes still seem to be rapidly changing. I was quite surprised at the difference between prescriptions not much more than a year apart. It's also possible to correct astigmatism with contact lenses (the lens is thicker and heavier on the bottom which keeps the lens properly rotated). My first thought was that's a great solution. I could have corrected distant vision and fall back on reading glasses and the diopter adjustment alone for the camera. But I have discovered papers on the web that report thinning of the cornea due to wear from contact lenses. The cornea may become so thin that it's not possible to do cataract surgery which requires a minimal corneal thickness. My father has had cataract surgery in both eyes and both of mine show the early stage of cataract development... at least in the eye exam. I can't see any effects yet. ps: I mentioned this downside of contact lenses to my ophthalmologist during my recent exam and he professed not to know about it. But I think he was playing dumb. The web is full of scientific papers that discuss it. Chuck Norcutt Dawid Loubser wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > I am afraid I do not know very much about optometry, but can't they > surgically correct your astigmatism? I thought it was possible to > do reliably these days. > > I would imagine a bit of pain and suffering would ultimately make the > true solution worth it. > > Good luck! > > > On 04 Nov 2008, at 2:07 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> ... I'm going to have to >> come to grips with the astigmatism. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 13:50:09 2008 Received: (qmail 19243 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 12:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 12:50:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D795BC2FBD; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:49:49 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:49:49 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F09C3BB0 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:47:55 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 17143 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 12:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 12:47:54 -0000 Message-ID: <4910447A.3000709@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:47:54 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 03/11/2008: Danish bagerjomfru References: <405BACF3-221E-4DFD-A386-4ADB9CAFECB6@frozenlight.eu> <491025C5.5030104@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040301n59609e1q65e62ba92f96916c@mail.gmail.com> <6db0h4deb06saf2onrccpkcva1jj7e83m8@4ax.com> <49103B56.3020201@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040412t634f44abtb8e637139c108f2f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840811040412t634f44abtb8e637139c108f2f@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 13:50:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910450156291234514069 Thanks for the link. The Eurozone isn't quite as extensive as I thought. Chuck Norcutt Jez Cunningham wrote: > Nope. Pegged to the Euro tho'. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurozone > Jez > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > >> Do the Danes not use Euros? >> >> Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 13:53:30 2008 Received: (qmail 10386 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 12:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 12:53:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C190AC2B38; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:53:18 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:53:18 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB21C2BBB for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:53:18 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 20143 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 12:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 12:53:17 -0000 Message-ID: <491045BD.4040702@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:53:17 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <2EB105EF-F790-4638-A974-329E24CDB121@threeshoes.net> <020f01c87ddf$4d82b5d0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <02a401c87e30$e714f720$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <423A8797-B29C-4807-98A7-63EFA183F893@roadrunner.com> <47CDB56F.4000206@gmail.com> <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> <49100945.4040400@yahoo.co.uk> <491028A1.3020705@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040307u41d3d96dpc3a61f9e4d3d1796@mail.gmail.com> <49103C2D.8060704@chucknorcutt.com> <7437417.30001225801738902.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <7437417.30001225801738902.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 13:53:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491045ca76131234514069 I've been trying to use HDR but I haven't mastered it yet. Also, exposure bracketing as built into the camera really doesn't cover a very wide range so it's not possible to do the bracketing really quickly and you have to watch for things entering or exiting the scene. But I will stick with HDR rather than buy filters. Chuck Norcutt Dawid Loubser wrote: > I use Cokin X-Pro graduated filters on my Linhof 617, and I have been > nothing but very happy with them (shooting mostly Provia 100F). > > On the other hand, I must say, if you're doing digital landscape > photography, and > you need more dynamic range, why not just do HDR? It'll end up being > quicker and > easier than fiddling about with square filters. You're on a tripod in > anyway... > > > On 04 Nov 2008, at 2:12 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Yes, of course. I've never used one but it makes sense to me to use >> the >> Cokin system where I think you can vary the vertical position of the >> filter. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 13:58:40 2008 Received: (qmail 32442 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 12:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 12:58:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79ABCC285E; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:58:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:58:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF9EC2E9B for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:58:28 +0100 (CET) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2389764wah.1 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:58:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=l/oak1v4LyRqduAp/0pUoULkuB9RoioyQ4fD6G/lo4w=; b=Q/DFnr1BMQE/D6iRh7HAuPZEbK/cSvZulUBbg8c0fWQV7Ht1VYO1mfsY7p5JkUig4w jDAeGmuxtBPxCEa88OBa+Km7TEcj4gl0/MPONU/VYP4mPgnH/nqAKToapSJQgjFNoyxb 8PC4bEDAC1Vi3giAmEQXfxnppO/GlUes8kG+Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=iCTyJGV4HR3P4gbAPqhvskQu14ozBZxoKA4RgQnaR7i5evZksNxwGeEho9Sxkid/U/ wrMtydIyntj5BNQXQx2/yKUh3oOTlIGC6DzEdoLcQ3rw4ICJzyTf7YaQn3JTduWeWgxe QtiHVi60P2ZmocSJfqlkXXbZZ4N3dtuIVuO48= Received: by 10.114.195.19 with SMTP id s19mr932506waf.54.1225803507690; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:58:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:58:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840811040458j508205c1p43a19ac4fe47ea49@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:58:27 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 03/11/2008: Danish bagerjomfru In-Reply-To: <4910447A.3000709@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <405BACF3-221E-4DFD-A386-4ADB9CAFECB6@frozenlight.eu> <491025C5.5030104@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040301n59609e1q65e62ba92f96916c@mail.gmail.com> <6db0h4deb06saf2onrccpkcva1jj7e83m8@4ax.com> <49103B56.3020201@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040412t634f44abtb8e637139c108f2f@mail.gmail.com> <4910447A.3000709@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 63790b578c08fe7e X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 13:58:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910470073201744846740 I'll bet there are many shops that accept Euros, but probably not village bakeries. When in Norway earlier in the year (not even in EU) many places would accept Euros. Jez On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Thanks for the link. The Eurozone isn't quite as extensive as I thought. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jez Cunningham wrote: > > Nope. Pegged to the Euro tho'. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurozone > > Jez > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Chuck Norcutt < > chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com > >> wrote: > > > >> Do the Danes not use Euros? > >> > >> Chuck Norcutt > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 13:59:49 2008 Received: (qmail 13518 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 12:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 12:59:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62126C2F4B; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:59:38 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:59:38 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.231]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB0FC327E for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:59:37 +0100 (CET) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3197396rvb.29 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:59:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=cQP8LPqYbxHBcYC6Ir9iyXO0snNAdZc/zzJIFTOzatE=; b=JLc4LOgpJ4YZBhH2R4VW4eVQVUIjQnut28tBT4tHKFlQs6hBk7N8jRmkpH7RPVTN2P T9h+FqTz+7qUuQNMynHZcGDehr4KedlZV03wcazn0SmKZ2hTWUzBjWymBygRX6J8XNdx g0wGuYbITqJQw8SqFFzXujMzlJdIZ2xtEGPKA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=rWLyXpiHTMPhYCNYgQLycUasCC+xngGMQHlp9ewybPwwCMU+CRayDixgoGxnNNVyuJ sEQ/4TKbiRCgpgayn+EkYSyKW8o7SXIGSjSKnu8Zy3ZY58KgN+Lguytbn4cij0S4VUBg pTLUdAa2yCxuTg84mTF2u+25MZq5kRo75kDVE= Received: by 10.115.58.18 with SMTP id l18mr911254wak.177.1225803576770; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:59:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840811040459t65369c29pd870214a64676902@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:59:36 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions In-Reply-To: <491045BD.4040702@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <423A8797-B29C-4807-98A7-63EFA183F893@roadrunner.com> <47CDB56F.4000206@gmail.com> <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> <49100945.4040400@yahoo.co.uk> <491028A1.3020705@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040307u41d3d96dpc3a61f9e4d3d1796@mail.gmail.com> <49103C2D.8060704@chucknorcutt.com> <7437417.30001225801738902.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <491045BD.4040702@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 896fd55914d58054 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 13:59:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49104745155742046811720 So you don't have a bunch from your film days? Maybe you weren't a landscape kinda guy. Jez On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > But I will stick with HDR rather than buy filters. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 14:25:00 2008 Received: (qmail 11047 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 13:24:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 13:24:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC1DC2E65; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:24:48 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:24:48 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB1AC2ED2 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:24:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9T00BJE99A63ZB@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:24:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:24:57 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express In-reply-to: <490F004D.8020402@chucknorcutt.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <49104D29.8030505@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <490F004D.8020402@chucknorcutt.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 14:25:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49104d2c196051023412894 A weird story. A friend of mine lives in the Binghamton NY area and used to use his Paypal debit card for buying gas for his truck. Twice, Exxon/Mobil stations debited his card $70 for a $20 gas purchase! After spending an hour on the phone, Exxon explained they do it "just in case there are problems with paypal. Don't worry, you'll get the $50 back in a few days". No one else handled the card, he paid at the pump, this extra penalty must be built into their "firm"ware. He got his money back, but they had it for 10 days to do with as they wish. Sounds frickin' illegal, underhanded or something you'd expect an oil company would do in the '20s. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > It's probably happening all over the place. Anyone lending money these > days is taking steps to limit their exposure. > > Chuck Norcutt > > John Hermanson wrote: >> Anyone here using American Express recently discover their credit limit >> has been cut way way back and AE won't explain why? AE used to the "no >> limits" cc. >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 14:31:24 2008 Received: (qmail 12354 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 13:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 13:31:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D6AC2D5D; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:31:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:31:12 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6B8C30ED for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:31:12 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 11492 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 13:31:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 13:31:11 -0000 Message-ID: <49104E9F.4060500@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:31:11 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <423A8797-B29C-4807-98A7-63EFA183F893@roadrunner.com> <47CDB56F.4000206@gmail.com> <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> <49100945.4040400@yahoo.co.uk> <491028A1.3020705@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040307u41d3d96dpc3a61f9e4d3d1796@mail.gmail.com> <49103C2D.8060704@chucknorcutt.com> <7437417.30001225801738902.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <491045BD.4040702@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040459t65369c29pd870214a64676902@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840811040459t65369c29pd870214a64676902@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 14:31:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49104eac180814673671140 I wasn't but I'm trying to get there. Chuck Norcutt Jez Cunningham wrote: > So you don't have a bunch from your film days? Maybe you weren't a > landscape kinda guy. > Jez > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > >> But I will stick with HDR rather than buy filters. >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 14:39:34 2008 Received: (qmail 21921 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 13:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 13:39:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD5EC3422; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:39:21 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:39:21 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5E0C2C5C for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:39:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081104133920.UUSM19960.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:39:20 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id b1fL1a00A4vDLwc021fLPn; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:39:20 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=O0LUGYV9YOkA:10 a=YeK3iSeTj0oA:10 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=0cbOORW5jPmkIvZ4sYYA:9 a=PIHowK143tq4bf3HnjEA:7 a=nhfo-wBzW1cIbUbAkNE_ooXDeyEA:4 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=C35D7iIojSgA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <86E6276A317244A8A8443194A82D1B9B@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <49103B11.3040401@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:39:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 14:39:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49105096244909117217770 Chuck, I have had progressive bifocals for about 10 years now, and am generally happy with them. I don't seem to have any problem with finding the right spot to look through into a viewfinder, b ut needed to change correction on the cameras with adjustable diopters. The big problem is that since having them, I haven't shot a single level horizon. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus mail list" Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:07 AM Subject: [OM] Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder > Tom Fenwick asked me some usage questions about the Canyon EE-s focusing > screen I mentioned here recently. That's the one that is designed to > improve manual focus but is recommended only for lenses of f/2.8 or > faster. > > I had to beg off because I soon gave up using the thing because of poor > eyesight. I have a fair amount of astigmatism in both eyes and, during > my most recent vision check a week ago I discovered that it has grown > worse and both eyes are now quite different from each other. Up until > about 1-1/2 years ago I had been able to make do on manual focusing with > just a simple diopter adjustment... either a slip on for the early OMs > or the built-in diopter adjustment on the Mynolta A1, Canyon 5D and, the > most recent acquisition, an OM-4 from Moose. > > But now I have a different problem. I can get away with hyperfocal > methods when using shorter Zuiko primes for landscape work but, as I > said in my reply to Tom, if I'm ever to use my manual focus macros again > (Zuiko 50/3.5 and Viv. S1 90/2.5 with 1:1 adapter) I'm going to have to > come to grips with the astigmatism. > > So my question is how do y'all recommend I do this? A separate > correction lens for the viewfinder? If so, how do I attach it and > account for the need for correct rotational positioning of a lens > designed for astigmatic correction? Or do I just use my distance vision > glasses and adjust the diopter dial on the camera as needed. I've also > just ordered my first ever set of bifocals. They've not arrived yet. > Any problems with using them looking through the viewfinder? > > Thanks, > Chuck Norcutt > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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(chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 13:39:21 -0000 Message-ID: <49105089.3020702@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:39:21 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <490F004D.8020402@chucknorcutt.com> <49104D29.8030505@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <49104D29.8030505@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 14:39:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491050a1196391946193717 It happens at all gas stations, not just Exxon/Mobil. At the time your card is accepted for purchase the size of the purchase is unknown so they put a lock on the funds that *might* be required. It has certainly not been unusual to spend $70 for a tank of gas recently. The same thing happens on a smaller scale when you use a card at a restaurant. The purchase is accepted by the card issuer before the final total is known since you haven't yet added a tip. They lock the purchase price plus some amount for a tip. It's all reasonable except for the part about holding the funds for anything more than an hour. That's the part that should be illegal. Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > A weird story. A friend of mine lives in the Binghamton NY area and > used to use his Paypal debit card for buying gas for his truck. Twice, > Exxon/Mobil stations debited his card $70 for a $20 gas purchase! After > spending an hour on the phone, Exxon explained they do it "just in case > there are problems with paypal. Don't worry, you'll get the $50 back in > a few days". No one else handled the card, he paid at the pump, this > extra penalty must be built into their "firm"ware. He got his money > back, but they had it for 10 days to do with as they wish. Sounds > frickin' illegal, underhanded or something you'd expect an oil company > would do in the '20s. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> It's probably happening all over the place. Anyone lending money these >> days is taking steps to limit their exposure. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> John Hermanson wrote: >>> Anyone here using American Express recently discover their credit limit >>> has been cut way way back and AE won't explain why? AE used to the "no >>> limits" cc. >>> ___________________________________ >>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 14:41:14 2008 Received: (qmail 31478 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 13:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 13:41:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB94DC327E; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:41:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:41:02 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F736C3214 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:41:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081104134102.GNHH8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:41:02 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id b1h11a0094vDLwc021h1mW; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:41:01 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=he5QUmt6AAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=9NOHlCUYqsdKfQJIQjgA:9 a=vUKfL3xWJKWCu3H5QpAA:7 a=z9hZfKHFpmNVXlo1KTmRa00kJV0A:4 a=R4WQGk8rqDwA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <100F843E98F74CA9A992BB4F610E17F8@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <490F004D.8020402@chucknorcutt.com> <49104D29.8030505@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:41:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 14:41:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491050fa42211234514069 There must be something about debit cards, as this is common with their use. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:24 AM Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > A weird story. A friend of mine lives in the Binghamton NY area and > used to use his Paypal debit card for buying gas for his truck. Twice, > Exxon/Mobil stations debited his card $70 for a $20 gas purchase! After > spending an hour on the phone, Exxon explained they do it "just in case > there are problems with paypal. Don't worry, you'll get the $50 back in > a few days". No one else handled the card, he paid at the pump, this > extra penalty must be built into their "firm"ware. He got his money > back, but they had it for 10 days to do with as they wish. Sounds > frickin' illegal, underhanded or something you'd expect an oil company > would do in the '20s. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> It's probably happening all over the place. Anyone lending money these >> days is taking steps to limit their exposure. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> John Hermanson wrote: >>> Anyone here using American Express recently discover their credit limit >>> has been cut way way back and AE won't explain why? AE used to the "no >>> limits" cc. >>> ___________________________________ >>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 15:28:26 2008 Received: (qmail 6304 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 14:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 14:28:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E40C31AA; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:28:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:28:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4614C3109 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:28:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from cpe.atm2-0-90296.0x5734baee.boanxx22.customer.tele.dk ([87.52.186.238]:20406 helo=[192.168.1.37]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1KxMt9-0004pZ-2v (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:28:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <6db0h4deb06saf2onrccpkcva1jj7e83m8@4ax.com> References: <405BACF3-221E-4DFD-A386-4ADB9CAFECB6@frozenlight.eu> <491025C5.5030104@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040301n59609e1q65e62ba92f96916c@mail.gmail.com> <6db0h4deb06saf2onrccpkcva1jj7e83m8@4ax.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <6E7E9442-0125-49AC-BB24-D3BD5E9F5E75@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 03/11/2008: Danish bagerjomfru Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:28:09 +0100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 15:28:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49105c0a288837927319144 Exactly! Thanks for looking, everyone :-) Nathan (tomorrow alas leaving CPH, but at least with a night in Amsterdam on my way home) On 4-nov-2008, at 12:14, Frank@vanLindert.nl wrote: > I take it that the price is in Danish Krone.. DKR 1.00 = EUR 0.134. So > this purchase of beautiful bread would cost about 5.64 euro! > > Frank van Lindert > Utrecht NL. > > > Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:01:00 +0100, "Jez Cunningham" > wrote: > >> >> Very observant!!! >> Maybe those Danish pastries are expensive... >> Jez >> >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Chuck Norcutt < >> chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com> wrote: >> >>> That's a lot of bread. Seems you bought 42 euros worth. :-) >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 15:33:11 2008 Received: (qmail 13138 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 14:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 14:33:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7353AC2EE2; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:32:59 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:32:59 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96187C2F34 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:32:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from cpe.atm2-0-90296.0x5734baee.boanxx22.customer.tele.dk ([87.52.186.238]:20657 helo=[192.168.1.37]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1KxMxm-0006Da-0c (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:32:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840811040458j508205c1p43a19ac4fe47ea49@mail.gmail.com> References: <405BACF3-221E-4DFD-A386-4ADB9CAFECB6@frozenlight.eu> <491025C5.5030104@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040301n59609e1q65e62ba92f96916c@mail.gmail.com> <6db0h4deb06saf2onrccpkcva1jj7e83m8@4ax.com> <49103B56.3020201@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040412t634f44abtb8e637139c108f2f@mail.gmail.com> <4910447A.3000709@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040458j508205c1p43a19ac4fe47ea49@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <39B70AD0-3E7D-4E8B-A051-E9BF5D7A37DA@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 03/11/2008: Danish bagerjomfru Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:32:55 +0100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 15:33:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49105d27113331035110158 Same thing in Switzerland, in fact the supermarket in the town where I lived (suburb of Zurich) would accept not only Euro but even USD and GBP. Their cash registers were simply programmed to accept those currencies, so all the cashier had to do was to push one additional button. But then again, the Swiss are well known for accepting money from all sources :-) Here in Denmark, you can probably pay with Euros in major department stores and in shops in the centre of Copenhagen, but you will be fleeced on the exchange rate. Anyway, most people just use cards. My Spanish debit card with PIN works just fine here. And, for the record, the Eurozone includes 13 of the 27 EU member states. Most of the 12 new countries that joined in 2004 and 2007 have not yet adopted the Euro (although eventually all will). Of the old 15 countries, the UK, Sweden and Denmark did not adopt the Euro. Cheers, Nathan On 4-nov-2008, at 13:58, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > I'll bet there are many shops that accept Euros, but probably not > village > bakeries. > When in Norway earlier in the year (not even in EU) many places > would accept > Euros. > Jez > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Chuck Norcutt > > wrote: > >> Thanks for the link. The Eurozone isn't quite as extensive as I >> thought. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Jez Cunningham wrote: >>> Nope. Pegged to the Euro tho'. >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurozone >>> Jez >>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Chuck Norcutt < >> chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> Do the Danes not use Euros? >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 16:19:20 2008 Received: (qmail 7117 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 15:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 15:19:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0477FC342B; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:19:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:19:05 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F021C2B51 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:17:25 +0100 (CET) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so1469559nfi.19 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:17:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=RDqa6a4bidvXSJUbYc7slI9Pw5+lZY9tk/AqZXjAez8=; b=g3kAdvWg1m8s/C0ug8qeMxoS5nJ6QUOA1qH2flNJr0Gi5Wla+sn1hUQr5Hbxr3C6ra m6Spe1UQSyfQp6wjEJpeQDA8EOZUShcwfTGQwEixmPeRxArLbVGvjnpcoTimpRQVzg9o XgZ4nvkwIthNashkymzZJUjA/oiXmsqbQ6WYE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=F9GQ1S9UKd5EeO0ZI2cO4cUhMkrJDoBCT9ND78ZNF6FrZBrXmpHwTL57nBpo4m/84L 2wXgMZk2N9xr1wXsVyDQbG+8cxjoVDOEzKcrX8eO2QjgBQWuWTodoBhfWvPknNh9gDnk Ao4zQqY6fXUFx65zDeeSof98ctrTJod+3ECPI= Received: by 10.210.134.5 with SMTP id h5mr1785707ebd.85.1225811844923; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:17:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:17:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:17:24 +0000 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express In-Reply-To: <100F843E98F74CA9A992BB4F610E17F8@SueHome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <490F004D.8020402@chucknorcutt.com> <49104D29.8030505@verizon.net> <100F843E98F74CA9A992BB4F610E17F8@SueHome> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 16:19:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491067f859091023412894 Happens with credit cards as well, but you are less likely to notice unless you're near your credit limit. Check into a hotel for a week, and then look up what's happened to your available credit! Tom 2008/11/4 Sue Pearce > > There must be something about debit cards, as this is common with their > use. > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hermanson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:24 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > > > > > A weird story. A friend of mine lives in the Binghamton NY area and > > used to use his Paypal debit card for buying gas for his truck. Twice, > > Exxon/Mobil stations debited his card $70 for a $20 gas purchase! After > > spending an hour on the phone, Exxon explained they do it "just in case > > there are problems with paypal. Don't worry, you'll get the $50 back in > > a few days". No one else handled the card, he paid at the pump, this > > extra penalty must be built into their "firm"ware. He got his money > > back, but they had it for 10 days to do with as they wish. Sounds > > frickin' illegal, underhanded or something you'd expect an oil company > > would do in the '20s. > > ___________________________________ > > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> It's probably happening all over the place. Anyone lending money these > >> days is taking steps to limit their exposure. > >> > >> Chuck Norcutt > >> > >> John Hermanson wrote: > >>> Anyone here using American Express recently discover their credit limit > >>> has been cut way way back and AE won't explain why? AE used to the "no > >>> limits" cc. > >>> ___________________________________ > >>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > >>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > >>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > >>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 > >>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > >> > >> ============================================== > >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > >> ============================================== > >> > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 > 4:59 PM > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 16:55:10 2008 Received: (qmail 19828 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 15:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 15:55:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0628FC394D; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:54:58 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:54:57 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63D2C3938 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:54:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from vms071.mailsrvcs.net ([172.18.12.131]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9T00LSAG7GT8E0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:54:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from 72.89.79.254 ([72.89.79.254]) by vms071.mailsrvcs.net (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:54:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:54:52 -0600 (CST) From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express X-Originating-IP: [72.89.79.254] To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <845937.912371225814092571.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 16:55:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910705e224611234514069 Except he's not filling the tank, he's specifically punched in $20 maximum. Pump shuts off at $20. Exxon takes $70. John Hermanson, CPS Inc. 21 South Lane, Huntington NY 11743 Olympus OM Service since 1977 omtech1@verizon.net | www.zuiko.com 631-424-2121 Nov 4, 2008 08:39:45 AM, olympus@ml.free.fr wrote: It happens at all gas stations, not just Exxon/Mobil. At the time your card is accepted for purchase the size of the purchase is unknown so they put a lock on the funds that *might* be required. It has certainly not been unusual to spend $70 for a tank of gas recently. The same thing happens on a smaller scale when you use a card at a restaurant. The purchase is accepted by the card issuer before the final total is known since you haven't yet added a tip. They lock the purchase price plus some amount for a tip. It's all reasonable except for the part about holding the funds for anything more than an hour. That's the part that should be illegal. Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: >A weird story. A friend of mine lives in the Binghamton NY area and >used to use his Paypal debit card for buying gas for his truck. Twice, >Exxon/Mobil stations debited his card $70 for a $20 gas purchase! After >spending an hour on the phone, Exxon explained they do it "just in case >there are problems with paypal. Don't worry, you'll get the $50 back in >a few days". No one else handled the card, he paid at the pump, this >extra penalty must be built into their "firm"ware. He got his money >back, but they had it for 10 days to do with as they wish. Sounds >frickin' illegal, underhanded or something you'd expect an oil company >would do in the '20s. >___________________________________ >John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >Olympus OM Service since 1977 >Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > >Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>It's probably happening all over the place. Anyone lending money these >>days is taking steps to limit their exposure. >> >>Chuck Norcutt >> >>John Hermanson wrote: >>>Anyone here using American Express recently discover their credit limit >>>has been cut way way back and AE won't explain why? AE used to the "no >>>limits" cc. >>>___________________________________ >>>John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>>21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>>631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>>Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>>Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>============================================== >>List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>============================================== >> > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 17:23:21 2008 Received: (qmail 27809 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 16:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 16:23:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45F5C296F; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:23:08 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:23:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FFAC3205 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:23:07 +0100 (CET) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so1076308yxj.89 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:23:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=iY4b4igX5khfr0mbWFkVq7qKWlPMP6JI9Va3jlWriIE=; b=LQNTd8C5FHnutvtDZQllBlXLUw7AW2h3bHNddz8sDBh2glAbdJhXGUh8wk+gFqPI43 BoQVfEMLLrLD6OQQDH5RzMZ8YhjWBnkNl571MV7XHZr1T4JC6HIQKEBRRRe8Uy2sj4yF F1R0Z6WieJnQmWSPxR0/rBEw2a3onBPQ4LwUs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=flavbKGGJgbFy3GVa76CQnL7RvVJYbeVmk9mWf0LWtsV0/yB+eN4WnsJC1MPbUvLNM lG+Z3oTloPJrKrytaZcDCKU3elsX89MCNBZpM2cADOJ5x2RY6ulpgg7wwltiILA45eMW xwokMPKHRU+f/kcKgajbMze6S4KXda2IwYl4Y= Received: by 10.90.83.18 with SMTP id g18mr682947agb.68.1225815786614; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:23:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.36.11 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:23:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:23:06 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions In-Reply-To: <49104E9F.4060500@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> <49100945.4040400@yahoo.co.uk> <491028A1.3020705@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040307u41d3d96dpc3a61f9e4d3d1796@mail.gmail.com> <49103C2D.8060704@chucknorcutt.com> <7437417.30001225801738902.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <491045BD.4040702@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040459t65369c29pd870214a64676902@mail.gmail.com> <49104E9F.4060500@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f1bbb43659cbccc4 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 17:23:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491076f9100141234514069 HDR, blending and grads all have their place. I think the best approach, from a professional perspective is to be fluent and capable in all manners. Personally, my attempts at HDR have been quite successful, but the problem I run into is that in the process of combining images together I sometimes fail to see the original "vision" for the picture. I am in much better shape if I can get the "original" image as close to final output as I can. And now that I'm heavily into film again, ND-Grads are a point of interest for me too. I've been contemplating getting myself a nice Christmas present of high-quality ND-Grads. 11 years ago, my entire set of Cokin filters grew legs in a breakin and I never did replace them. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 17:29:40 2008 Received: (qmail 29471 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 16:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 16:29:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61562C2C58; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:29:28 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:29:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2C2C3EC0 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:29:27 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 4731 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 16:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 16:29:25 -0000 Message-ID: <49107865.3000607@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:29:25 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder References: <49103B11.3040401@chucknorcutt.com> <86E6276A317244A8A8443194A82D1B9B@SueHome> In-Reply-To: <86E6276A317244A8A8443194A82D1B9B@SueHome> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 17:29:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49107874142991073733319 I did try progressive lenses once. I found them very disorienting and I couldn't wear them even for an hour. Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > Chuck, > > I have had progressive bifocals for about 10 years now, and am generally > happy with them. I don't seem to have any problem with finding the right > spot to look through into a viewfinder, b ut needed to change correction on > the cameras with adjustable diopters. The big problem is that since having > them, I haven't shot a single level horizon. > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus mail list" > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:07 AM > Subject: [OM] Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder > > >> Tom Fenwick asked me some usage questions about the Canyon EE-s focusing >> screen I mentioned here recently. That's the one that is designed to >> improve manual focus but is recommended only for lenses of f/2.8 or >> faster. >> >> I had to beg off because I soon gave up using the thing because of poor >> eyesight. I have a fair amount of astigmatism in both eyes and, during >> my most recent vision check a week ago I discovered that it has grown >> worse and both eyes are now quite different from each other. Up until >> about 1-1/2 years ago I had been able to make do on manual focusing with >> just a simple diopter adjustment... either a slip on for the early OMs >> or the built-in diopter adjustment on the Mynolta A1, Canyon 5D and, the >> most recent acquisition, an OM-4 from Moose. >> >> But now I have a different problem. I can get away with hyperfocal >> methods when using shorter Zuiko primes for landscape work but, as I >> said in my reply to Tom, if I'm ever to use my manual focus macros again >> (Zuiko 50/3.5 and Viv. S1 90/2.5 with 1:1 adapter) I'm going to have to >> come to grips with the astigmatism. >> >> So my question is how do y'all recommend I do this? A separate >> correction lens for the viewfinder? If so, how do I attach it and >> account for the need for correct rotational positioning of a lens >> designed for astigmatic correction? Or do I just use my distance vision >> glasses and adjust the diopter dial on the camera as needed. I've also >> just ordered my first ever set of bifocals. They've not arrived yet. >> Any problems with using them looking through the viewfinder? >> >> Thanks, >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 > 4:59 PM > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 17:30:06 2008 Received: (qmail 21893 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900AFC35E9; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:29:55 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:29:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from extsmtp2.localnet.com (extsmtp2.localnet.com [207.251.194.40]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 05D73C3DAA for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:29:55 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 5035 invoked by uid 1013); 4 Nov 2008 16:29:54 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by holster (envelope-from , uid 1005) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 0.653564 secs); 04 Nov 2008 16:29:54 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 required=4.8 X-Spam-Level: +++ Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp2.localnet.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 16:29:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 8138 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 16:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-15-28.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.15.28]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp4.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Nov 2008 16:24:20 -0000 From: Doug To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:45:14 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <49103B11.3040401@chucknorcutt.com> <20360226.29991225801454648.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4910434D.5050506@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4910434D.5050506@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811041245.15019.doug9345@localnet.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: doug9345@localnet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 17:30:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910788e86221702588592 On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 07:42, Chuck Norcutt wrote: snip > I was quite > surprised at the difference between prescriptions not much more than a > year apart. > > It's also possible to correct astigmatism with contact lenses (the lens > is thicker and heavier on the bottom which keeps the lens properly > rotated). But I > think he was playing dumb. The web is full of scientific papers that > discuss it. > > Chuck Norcutt > > I've always had large astigmatism corrections in my glasses. It's enough that switching between two pair of glasses it difficult. I have a pair of single vision glasses for every day wear and take them off to read. My next pair will most likely have to be bifocals because whenever I have to read a map or directions I have to pull over to read them. What I did was once I ended up with glasses that work for me I adjusted the diopter on my OM4 until I could focus the screen. I have enough problems trying to get one pair of glasses to work let alone several. I still can focus most cameras but I'm not quite 48 yo. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 17:34:19 2008 Received: (qmail 21531 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 16:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 16:34:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6142C3FBA; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:34:00 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:34:00 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744ABC42A5 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:32:51 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 7742 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 16:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 16:32:50 -0000 Message-ID: <49107932.8@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:32:50 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express References: <845937.912371225814092571.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net> In-Reply-To: <845937.912371225814092571.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 17:34:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910798b200611234514069 But the credit has still been issued before he punches in the dollar limit. The sequence is: insert card, cards gets validated and credit amount locked on. Only then does he select a gasoline grade and dollar limit if applicable. Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > Except he's not filling the tank, he's specifically punched in $20 maximum. > Pump shuts off at $20. Exxon takes $70. > > > John Hermanson, CPS Inc. > 21 South Lane, Huntington NY 11743 > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > omtech1@verizon.net | www.zuiko.com > 631-424-2121 > > Nov 4, 2008 08:39:45 AM, olympus@ml.free.fr wrote: > It happens at all gas stations, not just Exxon/Mobil. At the time your > card is accepted for purchase the size of the purchase is unknown so > they put a lock on the funds that *might* be required. It has certainly > not been unusual to spend $70 for a tank of gas recently. The same > thing happens on a smaller scale when you use a card at a restaurant. > The purchase is accepted by the card issuer before the final total is > known since you haven't yet added a tip. They lock the purchase price > plus some amount for a tip. It's all reasonable except for the part > about holding the funds for anything more than an hour. That's the part > that should be illegal. > > Chuck Norcutt > > John Hermanson wrote: >> A weird story. A friend of mine lives in the Binghamton NY area and >> used to use his Paypal debit card for buying gas for his truck. Twice, >> Exxon/Mobil stations debited his card $70 for a $20 gas purchase! After >> spending an hour on the phone, Exxon explained they do it "just in case >> there are problems with paypal. Don't worry, you'll get the $50 back in >> a few days". No one else handled the card, he paid at the pump, this >> extra penalty must be built into their "firm"ware. He got his money >> back, but they had it for 10 days to do with as they wish. Sounds >> frickin' illegal, underhanded or something you'd expect an oil company >> would do in the '20s. >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> It's probably happening all over the place. Anyone lending money these >>> days is taking steps to limit their exposure. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> John Hermanson wrote: >>>> Anyone here using American Express recently discover their credit limit >>>> has been cut way way back and AE won't explain why? AE used to the "no >>>> limits" cc. >>>> ___________________________________ >>>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 > 4:59 PM > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 17:36:52 2008 Received: (qmail 405 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 16:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 16:36:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928E2C2B03; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:36:40 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:36:40 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CE0C301A for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:36:40 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 10382 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 16:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 16:36:39 -0000 Message-ID: <49107A17.5070407@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:36:39 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <47CDC50D.1000505@ctgonline.org> <49100945.4040400@yahoo.co.uk> <491028A1.3020705@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040307u41d3d96dpc3a61f9e4d3d1796@mail.gmail.com> <49103C2D.8060704@chucknorcutt.com> <7437417.30001225801738902.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <491045BD.4040702@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040459t65369c29pd870214a64676902@mail.gmail.com> <49104E9F.4060500@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 17:36:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49107a2444451234514069 What's particularly galling about that is that the thief probably had no idea about what he was stealing. Those filters might well have ended up in the nearest dumpster. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > I've been contemplating getting myself a nice Christmas present > of high-quality ND-Grads. 11 years ago, my entire set of Cokin filters grew > legs in a breakin and I never did replace them. > > AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 17:43:14 2008 Received: (qmail 26819 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 16:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 16:43:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB06C3854; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:43:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:43:02 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E472EC35F3 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:43:01 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 14969 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 16:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 16:43:01 -0000 Message-ID: <49107B94.80907@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:43:00 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder References: <49103B11.3040401@chucknorcutt.com> <20360226.29991225801454648.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4910434D.5050506@chucknorcutt.com> <200811041245.15019.doug9345@localnet.com> In-Reply-To: <200811041245.15019.doug9345@localnet.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 17:43:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49107ba2267831234514069 I decided on bifocals this time since I have too many pairs of glasses. I have reading glasses, computer glasses and glasses for distance vision which, until recently, I only used for driving in the car and they were always left in the car. But then I discovered that "distance" was creeping downward and I could see the TV set much more clearly with them on. That meant 3 pair of glasses in the house and I was constantly picking up the wrong pair. I just got a call. The new glasses are in. When I pick them up I think I'll order another set of computer glasses to the new prescription. Chuck Norcutt Doug wrote: > On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 07:42, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > snip >> I was quite >> surprised at the difference between prescriptions not much more than a >> year apart. >> >> It's also possible to correct astigmatism with contact lenses (the lens >> is thicker and heavier on the bottom which keeps the lens properly >> rotated). But I >> think he was playing dumb. The web is full of scientific papers that >> discuss it. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> > > I've always had large astigmatism corrections in my glasses. It's enough that > switching between two pair of glasses it difficult. > > I have a pair of single vision glasses for every day wear and take them off to > read. My next pair will most likely have to be bifocals because whenever I > have to read a map or directions I have to pull over to read them. > > What I did was once I ended up with glasses that work for me I adjusted the > diopter on my OM4 until I could focus the screen. I have enough problems > trying to get one pair of glasses to work let alone several. I still can > focus most cameras but I'm not quite 48 yo. > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 18:12:28 2008 Received: (qmail 22661 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 17:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 17:12:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4ABC407D; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:12:16 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:12:16 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6486C3F62 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:12:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from cpe.atm2-0-90296.0x5734baee.boanxx22.customer.tele.dk ([87.52.186.238]:12212 helo=[192.168.1.37]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1KxPRr-00054f-7n (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:12:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Picture a Day discussion group , Leica Users Group , LEG , olympus@ml.free.fr Message-Id: <356AAAD2-6C7F-4CFF-8DFE-E802F1A41527@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Nathan Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 04/11/2008: the US election as seen in Copenhagen Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:12:06 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 18:12:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910827c63771529615919 This morning, one of the leading Danish tabloids had already decided the outcome of the election: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#409960639_rBcAo-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 18:50:48 2008 Received: (qmail 16811 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 17:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 17:50:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E636DC4204; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:50:34 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:50:34 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f16.google.com (mail-gx0-f16.google.com [209.85.217.16]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4046C390C for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:49:46 +0100 (CET) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so665792gxk.9 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:49:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=sKS11VnDTrDuVbCtYYP4YaB8+O/0w3GqICPTaGIzN9Q=; b=GBFzyRI1MyUc/hU3Xurfdt9+q68vKWRa0gaxcsE65yxB/Gi6fL8KrtQCO0eIDlIU7a 2BLL28zUoGlm0LnLf+96CcZKReGNWsorwkOtKQia3XSGgYzhFd7hHVGZ42SsRqkmAhI2 M689qgU0AKsUZwvzwdfmMoV8Ivdoh9/Wy1BM8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=lwcz88B64WKFcR4I3gRoU3IW/lpzJrgZ3ArxCMaGcYy7+EE08WtFuQ02WDl/H8LotS 0JI4e9rMSglnKnVqgskt8TJI6qfbb5E+HVANQH8iHLa9eNizjdalw/cHqtaUdS3y0xyi pL8YMn+Ekvf+OkjNcqEpHNFUMOulQkUTYfyQI= Received: by 10.90.93.8 with SMTP id q8mr1317027agb.83.1225820910159; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.36.11 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:48:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:48:30 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye In-Reply-To: <17104768.29981225800378181.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20252342.29961225799194599.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <17104768.29981225800378181.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2942c2b361f146bc X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 18:50:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49108b78272841585427447 Dawid wrote: >You see, having sold all my expensive Canon digital gear, I can afford >to splurge a bit on some Zuiko exotics, and I would really like the 8mm. When I look at the cost of the E-3 (or even the new E-30) with ONE moderate zoom, I realize that I could buy a bunch of exotica OM gear for the same amount. Life is sweet. If I reversed course and went 100% film, I could actually afford the 35-80/2.8, 350/2.8, MD2, and T45. Of course, if I did go 100% film, I'd have to--there is no way I could function with the primes I have in a high-pressure, high-flexibility situation and the flash and motordrive would be required too. Unfortunately, 100% film is no longer feasable. Do people actually REALIZE what we're doing? We're selling our souls for the dream of better megapixels. And then to make use of those megapixels, we're trashing perfectly good lenses for some plasticky uberzoom with more distortion than a willow tree in the wind. Oh, but it has built-in image-stabilization! Folks, PLEASE get out your OM gear, slap a roll of color-print film in it, have it processed and scanned commercially (see Ken Rockwell) and enjoy the results. You might not want to use film for everything, but most of the time, 3MP camera files exceed requirements anyway. Instead of dreaming of that 5Dmk2, save your pennies and pop a roll of film in your OMs. The 5Dmk2 won't make you a better photographer and using a modern digital camera is too much like trying to use M*cros*oft Wind*ws. If you want to fly a computer, fly a computer. If you want to take pictures, use a camera. After all, EVERY camera is really nothing more than a light-tight box that holds film or a sensor. Some boxes are meant to be used, others are meant to be compared on dpr*view. I guess I shouldn't complain about people migrating to digital--I've been the benificiary of the left-behind equipment. But, come on, let's get some passion back into our photography! If I can get all excited about a MANUAL camera with a MECHANICAL shutter, don't you think that you can express a little joy about the 100/2, 21/2, OM-4Ti or whatever other special items lurk in your equipment closet which you haven't touched in two or three years? Just yesterday, I shot two rolls of Ilford PanF and 1/2 a roll of Provia in the OM-4T and OM-3Ti on a personal project. What have the rest of you shot lately? Why is this passion/excitement important? Do I really have to give you an answer? Yes, I recognize that one can get passionate and excited when shooting the latest/greatest digital camera, but passion/excitement has to come from WITHIN. It does not come from stressing your credit-cards to buy the latest/greatest. If you can't be passionate and excited when shooting with what you currently have, the passion/excitement from a new camera purchase will be shortlived and artificial--lasting only until the next model comes out. AG-Schnozz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 19:16:58 2008 Received: (qmail 16056 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 18:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 18:16:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF7EC2837; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:16:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:16:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24F8C2964 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:16:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <10430657.30051225823081785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-46-215.iburst.co.za ([41.213.46.215]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 436 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:24:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:16:35 +0200 References: <20252342.29961225799194599.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <17104768.29981225800378181.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 19:16:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910919a1891234514069 Sir SilverNose, That is *exactly* what I did. I spent so much money on fantastic Canon EOS digital gear, and I enjoyed it thoroughly. Until I (for the fun of it) got an all-mechanical Mamiya RB67, and thereafter a Linhof 617, and then I started using my battery-less Sekonic incident light meter with my Canon 1-series DSLR. Then I got the amazing Canon EF 50mm f/1.2L, the best fast 50mm ever (IMHO) and I stopped using autofocus completely. Then came the death knell: I looked through an OM-1 viewfinder. I felt a OM Zuiko lens. Then I realised, that *having more* expensive stuff does not make me happy. I did not *also* desire an OM system. I wanted it to replace my big, expensive Canon system. I could access more interesting, better designed, better built (mostly, in anyway) smaller, equipment through which I could pour my photographic soul and really *make* my own images. And I don't have to step out of the "mode" of using either other all-manual cameras. I decided that, however cool it was to take noise-free images at ISO3200 at f/1.2 in the dark, instantaneously, and at no cost, almost all of those images were crap in anyway. They were just because I "could". Now, I never exactly sold my soul for better megapixels (and now way you are going to get "better" pixels than the huge, clean pixels of a 1D MkIIN in anyway) but I realised that I wanted to slow down, I wanted to take images that make them worth waiting for, make them worth spending time in a darkroom for. Otherwise, I just add more "noise" to the world. And the SnR-ratio of the world is terrible as it is. And (in the words of the infamous and often-dodgy Ken Rockwell): Chicks dig film cameras. Chicks dig men who do not spend their holidays looking at the pictures they made during the holidays. Of course, after I almost lost my life, and had to fear my loved one being raped and killed as we, amidst the threats, had to barricade our bedroom door against our attackers, I found it really easy to give it all up. To stop caring about the equipment, and just start having fun. I have never really had debt (although I heave never really had a ton of money either) but I can't explain the revelation of enjoying this "cheap" OM equipment so much, and having the funds to look around for the more interesting stuff, and being able to buy it when the opportunity arises. When I get married and go on honeymoon in February, you can be sure I will be taking my OM-1. And nothing else. So yes, somebody *please* sell me an 8mm/2.8 if you don't need it! Dawid On 04 Nov 2008, at 7:48 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > > Dawid wrote: >> You see, having sold all my expensive Canon digital gear, I can >> afford >> to splurge a bit on some Zuiko exotics, and I would really like the >> 8mm. > > When I look at the cost of the E-3 (or even the new E-30) with ONE > moderate > zoom, I realize that I could buy a bunch of exotica OM gear for the > same > amount. Life is sweet. If I reversed course and went 100% film, I > could > actually afford the 35-80/2.8, 350/2.8, MD2, and T45. Of course, if > I did > go 100% film, I'd have to--there is no way I could function with the > primes > I have in a high-pressure, high-flexibility situation and the flash > and > motordrive would be required too. Unfortunately, 100% film is no > longer > feasable. > > Do people actually REALIZE what we're doing? We're selling our > souls for > the dream of better megapixels. And then to make use of those > megapixels, > we're trashing perfectly good lenses for some plasticky uberzoom > with more > distortion than a willow tree in the wind. Oh, but it has built-in > image-stabilization! > Folks, PLEASE get out your OM gear, slap a roll of color-print film > in it, > have it processed and scanned commercially (see Ken Rockwell) and > enjoy the > results. You might not want to use film for everything, but most of > the > time, 3MP camera files exceed requirements anyway. Instead of > dreaming of > that 5Dmk2, save your pennies and pop a roll of film in your OMs. > The 5Dmk2 > won't make you a better photographer and using a modern digital > camera is > too much like trying to use M*cros*oft Wind*ws. If you want to fly a > computer, fly a computer. If you want to take pictures, use a camera. > After all, EVERY camera is really nothing more than a light-tight > box that > holds film or a sensor. Some boxes are meant to be used, others are > meant > to be compared on dpr*view. > > I guess I shouldn't complain about people migrating to digital--I've > been > the benificiary of the left-behind equipment. But, come on, let's > get some > passion back into our photography! If I can get all excited about a > MANUAL > camera with a MECHANICAL shutter, don't you think that you can > express a > little joy about the 100/2, 21/2, OM-4Ti or whatever other special > items > lurk in your equipment closet which you haven't touched in two or > three years? > > Just yesterday, I shot two rolls of Ilford PanF and 1/2 a roll of > Provia in > the OM-4T and OM-3Ti on a personal project. What have the rest of > you shot > lately? > > Why is this passion/excitement important? Do I really have to give > you an > answer? Yes, I recognize that one can get passionate and excited when > shooting the latest/greatest digital camera, but passion/excitement > has to > come from WITHIN. It does not come from stressing your credit-cards > to buy > the latest/greatest. If you can't be passionate and excited when > shooting > with what you currently have, the passion/excitement from a new camera > purchase will be shortlived and artificial--lasting only until the > next > model comes out. > > AG-Schnozz > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:05:42 2008 Received: (qmail 17213 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:05:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FD6C2DCF; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:05:24 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:05:24 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA4BC312E for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:04:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [204.210.85.179]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081104200028.KDNJ7376.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:00:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <5513.59893.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <5513.59893.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <182974F2-A9A4-4B27-B885-81205FEF8A38@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: A terrible admission Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:00:26 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:05:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910ab16294302046811720 On Nov 2, 2008, at 6:30 PM, John Morton wrote: > > Okay - I did it. > > I carefully packed away my favorite camera, the Olympus OM-4 T. I > set aside my E510, and all of my wonderful Zuiko glass. > > I bought a MiGon D700 full frame dSLR. You won't regret it. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:11:55 2008 Received: (qmail 29786 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:11:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09874C3C1A; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:11:39 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:11:38 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id D8EFDC4118 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:09:11 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 7764 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 20:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:09:09 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49103C70.1020805@gmail.com> References: <1B37FD179A3F41FC962D4453245E1256@meo.dec.com> <49103C70.1020805@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <28BD6C80-7878-49C2-984D-0CF295C2C4C9@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:09:06 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:11:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910ac8b127751993019900 I feel sick - why not just dip the lot in Vegemite?! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2008, at 11:13 PM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > I don't like fishnchips. Now if you swap the fish out for a chiko roll > or a couple of dimmies or some scallopes (99% batter), with a side > of a > large vat of tomato sauce, and we're talking! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:12:20 2008 Received: (qmail 30314 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:12:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C01C367E; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:12:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:12:01 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F25CC2D80 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:11:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [204.210.85.179]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081104201100.EXLT10530.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:11:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490FC79C.5040203@interisland.net> References: <490FC79C.5040203@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <2BF0FDD4-633A-4BD0-8DEF-CEADBE2BC9F6@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:10:58 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:12:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910aca4257951869477228 On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Mike wrote: > Hopefully Obama will tie that dog up. The temptation to say "Hope springs eternal" was just too much to resist. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:12:31 2008 Received: (qmail 21155 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:12:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DA8C2C56; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:12:19 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:12:19 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E8CFC31AE for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:11:52 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 7933 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 20:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:11:49 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49104D29.8030505@verizon.net> References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <490F004D.8020402@chucknorcutt.com> <49104D29.8030505@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:11:47 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:12:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910acaf178271869477228 I don't believe that for one minute - no-one spends just $20 on fuel any more! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2008, at 12:24 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > A weird story. A friend of mine lives in the Binghamton NY area and > used to use his Paypal debit card for buying gas for his truck. > Twice, > Exxon/Mobil stations debited his card $70 for a $20 gas purchase! > After > spending an hour on the phone, Exxon explained they do it "just in > case > there are problems with paypal. Don't worry, you'll get the $50 > back in > a few days". No one else handled the card, he paid at the pump, this > extra penalty must be built into their "firm"ware. He got his money > back, but they had it for 10 days to do with as they wish. Sounds > frickin' illegal, underhanded or something you'd expect an oil company > would do in the '20s. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:15:00 2008 Received: (qmail 13377 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:14:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B924C2939; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:14:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:14:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F75C2BA2 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:14:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [204.210.85.179]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081104201434.VTAH22492.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:14:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <10869930.29481225723607329.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <490F7768.7000304@chucknorcutt.com> <2B698E84-E0B9-44B4-82A8-9BAAD8980E0D@people.net.au> <1225776486.21668.14.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <94B53A62-6E64-4657-B72A-8E89F84874D7@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:14:32 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:15:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910ad44128911073733319 On Nov 4, 2008, at 12:39 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I was trying mimic an Arkansas innerlekchual You can't mimic what doesn't exist. Well, you can, but it falls flat. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:15:32 2008 Received: (qmail 1278 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:15:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DF2C2CA2; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:15:19 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:15:19 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD93C2977 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:15:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id A20270B6CT for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:15:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:15:16 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:15:04 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: OT American express Thread-Index: Ack+uazHXK1gV/B3QY2ZKWHDG0KyiQAADGgA From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2008 20:15:16.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D2A1270:01C93EBA] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:15:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910ad64194231234514069 Gas is back down to $2.379/gal at the local Costco. I can get close in my wife's toy car. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Andrew Fildes Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:12 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express I don't believe that for one minute - no-one spends just $20 on fuel any more! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2008, at 12:24 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > A weird story. A friend of mine lives in the Binghamton NY area and > used to use his Paypal debit card for buying gas for his truck. > Twice, > Exxon/Mobil stations debited his card $70 for a $20 gas purchase! > After > spending an hour on the phone, Exxon explained they do it "just in > case > there are problems with paypal. Don't worry, you'll get the $50 > back in > a few days". No one else handled the card, he paid at the pump, this > extra penalty must be built into their "firm"ware. He got his money > back, but they had it for 10 days to do with as they wish. Sounds > frickin' illegal, underhanded or something you'd expect an oil company > would do in the '20s. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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I can get close in > my wife's toy car. > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of Andrew Fildes > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:12 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > > > I don't believe that for one minute - no-one spends just $20 on fuel > any more! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 05/11/2008, at 12:24 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > >> A weird story. A friend of mine lives in the Binghamton NY area and >> used to use his Paypal debit card for buying gas for his truck. >> Twice, >> Exxon/Mobil stations debited his card $70 for a $20 gas purchase! >> After >> spending an hour on the phone, Exxon explained they do it "just in >> case >> there are problems with paypal. Don't worry, you'll get the $50 >> back in >> a few days". No one else handled the card, he paid at the pump, this >> extra penalty must be built into their "firm"ware. He got his money >> back, but they had it for 10 days to do with as they wish. Sounds >> frickin' illegal, underhanded or something you'd expect an oil company >> would do in the '20s. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. > If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or > re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, > please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone > (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any > attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. > > In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of > this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, > any > contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the > foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any > digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is > included in any attachment to this email. > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:22:34 2008 Received: (qmail 13271 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:22:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E48C2E08; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:22:22 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:22:22 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A872C3228 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:22:21 +0100 (CET) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so1136239ywt.89 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:22:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=xIb9eyYu0laClR4CPEiAiwEMjS9K0MpSiYuo0oNJx74=; b=BFmSZWVI3778byphThdDb7ZpCzIoDfRHHN6aH8ne8TiP0/x5L47a18Ie3jXp8ocest dufsWT9D2UJpNHBi3dbPDMOHmPhLgATB5kH2yWd0ARWs/9OhUWPrB9MS3tzLJYehHWEn Ak5gZJ2dpSCjDIMbhVHqW8i4DImaJtLxClJ0E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=QhV1g4ITEj46xZBCUhg48feEbPFEq6ELxNKHQibpuneTWk6FS7NE8pftKkrfLLY+ka pw7hj0SxdpBg1I4uR/r2k7HtMHj1fGYXdvUJUK5aWop5ubp5QjxR+zIUW+JfH5v9azkf LyV+ATRq6lu2p8BjN3j2VDaESgssk5ehl+Nyw= Received: by 10.90.98.13 with SMTP id v13mr17489agb.28.1225830140255; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.36.11 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:22:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:22:19 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: A terrible admission In-Reply-To: <182974F2-A9A4-4B27-B885-81205FEF8A38@roadrunner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <5513.59893.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <182974F2-A9A4-4B27-B885-81205FEF8A38@roadrunner.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f103c15a304143c0 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:22:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910af0a231911946193717 > > > I carefully packed away my favorite camera, the Olympus OM-4 T. I > > set aside my E510, and all of my wonderful Zuiko glass. > > > > I bought a MiGon D700 full frame dSLR. > > You won't regret it. > Maybe, but it does sadden me. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:24:14 2008 Received: (qmail 24477 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:24:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370C9C31E8; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:24:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:24:02 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.236]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438B9C2E93 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:24:01 +0100 (CET) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3404809rvb.29 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:24:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vC3jUtPseRULVdyIF15c0Aamc5+L6vvnwLyqRL5tmZQ=; b=et57sle86lYFHJlKra7ras9lMqswcoW20VwAS0qwjUcf7DD/ma1IfDSxQEQaApe9iP SU25J0/LuAb0+Leh3KuOXOW/jnZg5/bOWLyETOZDAD0IhpaETPQS06REELRQen1oBX5O 8A4sErT/OwR5Ip+ZohnEZaLyLnYQwDOjTVUDs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=xsB+7KpjUj3UO7FarLLjhvKPIExMZB0oli0k3HMXBwlBd6mN3K/dVAtHc6oYAPpfw3 y0yoNf9qsGJxw6FjgUf+WwXt4keJmF9cmsCzyzyVTBUr54JWzV30c/h/hhuBwpmewUE9 F8auXU1VCtvYAsyNBk8A7R4svUpNPqYNsHgyc= Received: by 10.141.18.15 with SMTP id v15mr1127754rvi.296.1225830240419; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.176.3 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:24:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:24:00 +0100 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20252342.29961225799194599.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <17104768.29981225800378181.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikooh@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:24:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910af6e283534673671140 > > Hello Ken, I can only say: I'ld love to! My OM's are craving to get used, but... Digital is waaaaaay cheaper this side of the pond. And there economics come in the calculation. As I said before, a single roll of film here totals about 7 euro cost of film, 18 euro development and a soso scan: so 25 euro in total for 36 images (or 72 if I go Pen!). In a year I easily did 50 rolls, totalling to an amount of 1250 euro. Print cost is the same for both... so since I succumbed to digital there is about that amount I can spend on family, travel or better purposes. And I am perfectly happy with my E-1 still, but for architecture, the 7-14 + E-3 are difficult to beat in ease of use and turnaround time. For my research of historic buildings digital is certainly the easier solution and has as good or better quality. And I really like that equipment as well. But a few times a year I get out the 3Ti, or Pen D2 or 4T or 2n or Isolette and feel very comfortable and at home. However with the E-3 on MF with the 100f2 I can feel perfectly good as well, and over time I have learned to appreciate the 12-60 very much as well. I'ld love a good scanner as well, but even a used V ED goes for over 500 euro here :( Just my 2 eurocents... Iwert > > I guess I shouldn't complain about people migrating to digital--I've been > the benificiary of the left-behind equipment. But, come on, let's get some > passion back into our photography! If I can get all excited about a MANUAL > camera with a MECHANICAL shutter, don't you think that you can express a > little joy about the 100/2, 21/2, OM-4Ti or whatever other special items > lurk in your equipment closet which you haven't touched in two or > three years? > > Just yesterday, I shot two rolls of Ilford PanF and 1/2 a roll of Provia in > the OM-4T and OM-3Ti on a personal project. What have the rest of you shot > lately? > > Why is this passion/excitement important? Do I really have to give you an > answer? Yes, I recognize that one can get passionate and excited when > shooting the latest/greatest digital camera, but passion/excitement has to > come from WITHIN. It does not come from stressing your credit-cards to buy > the latest/greatest. If you can't be passionate and excited when shooting > with what you currently have, the passion/excitement from a new camera > purchase will be shortlived and artificial--lasting only until the next > model comes out. > > AG-Schnozz > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:24:26 2008 Received: (qmail 28858 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:24:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1686C31AD; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:24:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:24:13 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D846C31D2 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:24:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [204.210.85.179]) by cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081104202405.NFW16200.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:24:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <356AAAD2-6C7F-4CFF-8DFE-E802F1A41527@frozenlight.eu> References: <356AAAD2-6C7F-4CFF-8DFE-E802F1A41527@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 04/11/2008: the US election as seen in Copenhagen Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:24:03 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:24:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910af7a25841744846740 Don't they know about Dewey Defeats Truman? --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Nov 4, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Nathan wrote: > > This morning, one of the leading Danish tabloids had already decided > the outcome of the election: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#409960639_rBcAo-O-LB ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:27:48 2008 Received: (qmail 18430 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:27:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A865C3287; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:27:36 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:27:36 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB862C31AA for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:27:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081104202736.BGZK19960.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:27:36 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id b8Tb1a0024vDLwc028Tb6F; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:27:35 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=BW-YRHH_f5LdhzF8PcEA:9 a=WdE8AlRspTbW-miSBo4A:7 a=YmX8qtcF5dnr_JhBkypF_cYCv4wA:4 a=06iIV4LT0xAA:10 a=JZxnUwrBx3sA:10 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <7D8E26905FFB4F049DF869C91FBB2D0C@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:27:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:27:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910b044116174673671140 Sorry, Jim, 1.89 here Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timpe, Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > Gas is back down to $2.379/gal at the local Costco. I can get close in > my wife's toy car. > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of Andrew Fildes > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:12 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > > > I don't believe that for one minute - no-one spends just $20 on fuel > any more! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 05/11/2008, at 12:24 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > >> A weird story. A friend of mine lives in the Binghamton NY area and >> used to use his Paypal debit card for buying gas for his truck. >> Twice, >> Exxon/Mobil stations debited his card $70 for a $20 gas purchase! >> After >> spending an hour on the phone, Exxon explained they do it "just in >> case >> there are problems with paypal. Don't worry, you'll get the $50 >> back in >> a few days". No one else handled the card, he paid at the pump, this >> extra penalty must be built into their "firm"ware. He got his money >> back, but they had it for 10 days to do with as they wish. Sounds >> frickin' illegal, underhanded or something you'd expect an oil company >> would do in the '20s. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. > If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or > re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, > please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone > (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any > attachments. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:28:47 2008 Received: (qmail 23154 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:28:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB9EC324A; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:28:35 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:28:35 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777D1C2BB2 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:28:35 +0100 (CET) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so995920eyd.5 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:28:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=FxpNhYVyUT9cMdiFxMZT4cy+5X9fQwuAx9TQ26qJAUU=; b=VH/hmGEMDfn4JNDdt1Pk6RWuNTa6qvNlzjM3/GPcUEK2+Led61kMREVMopyTB5Iig1 gvCKIRyHvL0wa+zCljl9MJQII9fGysAE1arArk0C+AObSJ+F2pRTof0BwOxXws1PD+qS yllzHtvrC3VzT0QoyIu2HrbUf439us3H3HRFc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=GpvAEcpfYI7iqWd1470ffOo7mnynJpKkwS8d5hK8wuVeBiVXihINpB5aB66A2H/A0U 0h2ogyJinfqrLU4pneibnqUJHgYnPDnTsZaPuPSJtXZLDvmGRbBpQAK4so9tc29QoLis s1JnnvN3F55SckF1YyJi1yVX4ON9NY9n6/VfI= Received: by 10.210.26.14 with SMTP id 14mr34717ebz.32.1225830515360; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:28:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:28:35 +0000 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Fall Colour MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:28:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910b07f266921591313764 Hi all. Fall colour, Bristol style. You have to take what you can get around here :-) http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/autumn Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:33:01 2008 Received: (qmail 30334 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:33:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42656C2BED; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:32:49 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:32:49 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C7BC33CF for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:32:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 1FE20C3E3T for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:32:47 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:31:56 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7D8E26905FFB4F049DF869C91FBB2D0C@SueHome> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: OT American express Thread-Index: Ack+u89XR0KppslES3yjH55Cr4DrMgAAI3QA From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2008 20:32:47.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F8E8470:01C93EBC] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:33:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910b17d291202336821329 Where here? -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Sue Pearce Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:28 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Sorry, Jim, 1.89 here Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timpe, Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > Gas is back down to $2.379/gal at the local Costco. I can get close > in my wife's toy car. > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of Andrew Fildes > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:12 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > > > I don't believe that for one minute - no-one spends just $20 on fuel > any more! Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 05/11/2008, at 12:24 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > >> A weird story. A friend of mine lives in the Binghamton NY area and >> used to use his Paypal debit card for buying gas for his truck. >> Twice, Exxon/Mobil stations debited his card $70 for a $20 gas >> purchase! After >> spending an hour on the phone, Exxon explained they do it "just in >> case >> there are problems with paypal. Don't worry, you'll get the $50 >> back in >> a few days". No one else handled the card, he paid at the pump, this >> extra penalty must be built into their "firm"ware. He got his money >> back, but they had it for 10 days to do with as they wish. Sounds >> frickin' illegal, underhanded or something you'd expect an oil company >> would do in the '20s. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > Please be advised that this email may contain confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not > read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email > in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by > telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message > and any attachments. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment to this email. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:36:11 2008 Received: (qmail 17214 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:36:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:36:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A3EC2E04; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [204.127.217.102]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FF8C31EC for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:35:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20081104203556H02001di2re>; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:35:56 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <469DA2A569B94D269BDDBF0CD946362A@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <7D8E26905FFB4F049DF869C91FBB2D0C@SueHome> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:36:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:36:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910b23b277521838542571 Bill, You are lucky. I saw $2.02 down at the corner stations this morning. I'll wait a few more days to fill up. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Pearce" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:27 PM Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > Sorry, Jim, 1.89 here > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timpe, Jim" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:15 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > >> >> Gas is back down to $2.379/gal at the local Costco. I can get close in >> my wife's toy car. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >> Behalf Of Andrew Fildes >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:12 PM >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express >> >> >> >> I don't believe that for one minute - no-one spends just $20 on fuel >> any more! >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 05/11/2008, at 12:24 AM, John Hermanson wrote: >> >>> A weird story. A friend of mine lives in the Binghamton NY area and >>> used to use his Paypal debit card for buying gas for his truck. >>> Twice, >>> Exxon/Mobil stations debited his card $70 for a $20 gas purchase! >>> After >>> spending an hour on the phone, Exxon explained they do it "just in >>> case >>> there are problems with paypal. Don't worry, you'll get the $50 >>> back in >>> a few days". No one else handled the card, he paid at the pump, this >>> extra penalty must be built into their "firm"ware. He got his money >>> back, but they had it for 10 days to do with as they wish. Sounds >>> frickin' illegal, underhanded or something you'd expect an oil company >>> would do in the '20s. >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. >> If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or >> re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, >> please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone >> (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any >> attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. >> >> In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of >> this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, >> any >> contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the >> foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any >> digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is >> included in any attachment to this email. >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 > 4:59 PM > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:39:25 2008 Received: (qmail 23471 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:39:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64635C316F; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:39:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:39:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [204.127.217.106]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E0CC371F for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:39:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20081104203912H06004i6lse>; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:39:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <5D3E29C0E1884DA79F0D1AF9C4937C72@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: Fall Colour Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:39:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:39:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910b2fd218574673671140 Tom, I like the "Center Stage" shot. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fenwick" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:28 PM Subject: [OM] Fall Colour > Hi all. Fall colour, Bristol style. You have to take what you can get > around here :-) > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/autumn > > Tom > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:40:09 2008 Received: (qmail 656 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:40:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51797C31E2; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:39:58 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:39:58 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.153]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id A01B2C375C for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:39:57 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 15747 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2008 20:39:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=sZUSK5MQTec2pn36bp+w7O9ZKhnfffi01oaNb67jD70qUSyxoqVGVVfM9i3f8p5Y46QBURG4RUyhBcvpHuanVNKEoRwT5MQlhVGMKxEcvnRa7fIeVZQVaEjw5CEmyoaYHm31BHrAm36WfhC+XycNTCGSV7ViEEu9ZP1ApNN97yE=; X-YMail-OSG: BtrP4BcVM1nIjpoDgUj9FonjXcTOds.qx0FGGSpgsQT3tVvrBgRc5LJZV0h3G9bXqeAi9xImpz94Aplliv1quSHH.MibED3s29EPHgNGMsHYudsXqBRW3BkMMFNawqzzwU.4vLQLSYTvjFwrbu5jMeIdz7M68hBkDdseYGMyzu.OA5W_4VfCpEh3xeq4 Received: from [199.46.198.232] by web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:39:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:39:56 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] [OT] US Elections To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <855913.15546.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:40:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910b32953161591313764 You need not worry about excercisin' your voting rights anymore.  The people on the street have spoken...   http://www.cnnbcvideo.com/video.shtml?nid=zHUYk0AT2hcQvOPnwaOSpjk5NjM0MTE-   Boris ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:51:16 2008 Received: (qmail 4397 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:51:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DC2C3637; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:51:03 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:51:03 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EB1C35EA for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:51:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.23.170.147] (helo=anti-virus03-10) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KxSrd-0000QI-KX for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:51:01 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1KxSrZ-000192-3Y for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:50:57 +0000 Message-ID: <4910B5BE.4040600@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:51:10 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] E-30 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:51:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910b5c4114831073733319 Well, it's called the e-30, has 12mp and th3 same articulated screen as the e-3, 5fps and 11 point autofocus. 14-54 also updated with circular diaphragm blades and closer focus. Ask me how I know... D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 21:55:02 2008 Received: (qmail 14938 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 20:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 20:55:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C906C2F37; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:54:49 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:54:49 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18722C2B10 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:54:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from sproul-dhcp-254.ucr.edu (sproul-dhcp-254.ucr.edu [138.23.208.254]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id CPO09390 (AUTH siddiq@ucr.edu) for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:54:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <583F4C48-E4AC-4ACF-A184-C1B53E977491@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <4910B5BE.4040600@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:54:44 -0800 References: <4910B5BE.4040600@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: siddiq@ucr.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 21:55:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910b6a6111751993019900 On Nov 4, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Donald wrote: > Well, it's called the e-30, has 12mp and th3 same articulated screen > as > the e-3, 5fps and 11 point autofocus. > > 14-54 also updated with circular diaphragm blades and closer focus. > > Ask me how I know... > > D. and larger LCD screen, fractionally. broke on CNET of all places.... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 22:04:40 2008 Received: (qmail 13743 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 21:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 21:04:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F19CC333E; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:04:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:04:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2900BC317E for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:04:28 +0100 (CET) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so1564815ele.8 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:04:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=bAgFfG9gKMQc3M5ypZXFSdj1gamQ0663UAx3qoxn3xQ=; b=nKiUFxb3pleDZXyrNSMOgEGEaP7v9S7jngie1IpOYXLTkrk99cepK/n9UPSqVjGd+c 7WqL7hN0U5qjmsryX6pjaoT7+muajWjcJMLdcdp8OZ4kLugKD1rSx65spFtZjD2of1E5 6R9PrPCCLvzWDc6Vkp6nfXUc2PD7LhfbwsTSE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Fdro+PnVD/0SiNibESKPtiL1gKwr3aab0wQBY3rVgC0b06Ujr0PdbCusPDzmNcaFsp nGUSTDHguUVFn/+Sr+psG/FAQa/Sf8IsHJZfT0/IBj5NAM8TqVycJYSovd+zHHHvL//z SbJ1CXhP9Pvv7vEpTZ7bEDWEIaXJOGO3wILLs= Received: by 10.90.83.18 with SMTP id g18mr35343agb.68.1225832667194; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.36.11 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:04:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:04:27 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20252342.29961225799194599.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <17104768.29981225800378181.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0039121bd905b1df X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 22:04:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910b8e8289502046811720 iwert wrote: >I can only say: I'ld love to! My OM's are craving to get used, but... >Digital is waaaaaay cheaper this side of the pond. And there economics come >in the calculation... Fair enough. I understand there are locations where film availability and processing are slim to none. Also, I understand financial costs associated with film. There is a reason why the only 'Chromes I shoot anymore are old rolls of Provia left from a stockpile three years ago. E-6 is outrageously priced for film+processing. It hurts when you know that every shutter-click costs a minimum of $0.50 USD. Fortunately, the tightwad in me has found a few alternatives. I have had exceptionally good results with $1.00 USD rolls of Fuji print film which I can get processed (with no prints) for as low as $1.64. At 25 usable shots per roll, that's less than $0.11 USD per shot. I only do a full scan of what I want to further deal with. Another option, if commercial processing is getting to be difficult to find, is to shoot B&W and process it yourself. This ends up being about 30% of the cost of shooting E-6. Availability of quality 4000 dpi scanners is definitely a concern. However, you have something that might solve that problem. Your E-3 might make a very good scanner. I've actually gotten very decent results with my E-1 and I think Moose has had success with his 5D. If you decide to get a scanner, the Nikons are highly recommended because of their build-quality and ease of operation. They do a fantastic job and nothing breaks down. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 22:13:40 2008 Received: (qmail 16173 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 21:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 21:13:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196D6C3C36; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:13:26 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:13:26 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCC1C3E34 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:12:06 +0100 (CET) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so1142973yxj.89 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:12:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=9VIuLVLBEIXF/USauyc4hJ4Rnlp9rIbGTjrglsmm0DU=; b=j4yKe6gUQLYXfqaQvTrNMucDJS3+RQaItGkqltPwDSXIT2zBzWnpXUxYV9V5fCsBiA VsEjjt/zTtdOouXkbCtmGF8IV6gXjj/TyvJWAskxXg18VuGwZBd3CsUkwvnYyCseAKA1 BDuFgrFrWMIa/BQjpm+Jqr3zmeYg+Uz/iWZoA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=RMZqoRHVkH1MBcrAfLvaIuWh50l1r1XOkbOldBCRs9xJarlBa6jzVCxYhAPCRAKQ7V ISPbL6/bzRgTeSFWs13YpJqAd8o9pF7zPmmC18WREbkuRY11DorNQLbuIrDuGtVRGFVu DsywPb16w1JAm7l9ta3lMomuqKFWQYwwH4gfI= Received: by 10.90.98.13 with SMTP id v13mr63880agb.28.1225833124907; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:12:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.36.11 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:12:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:12:04 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express In-Reply-To: <469DA2A569B94D269BDDBF0CD946362A@jimnichols> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <7D8E26905FFB4F049DF869C91FBB2D0C@SueHome> <469DA2A569B94D269BDDBF0CD946362A@jimnichols> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5fee99bdf851ff2d X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 22:13:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910bb0494031073733319 I keep a close eye on www.oilnergy.com and eyeball the unleaded gas pricing there. This is at the "hub" and is wholesale pricing. Here in central Iowa, our gas prices are about 40-45 cents higher than the hub pricing and follow the hub pricing by two days going up and five days going down. It's easy for me to time my gas purchases for the Grand Cherokee's 20 gallon tank. I figure that this past year, by market-timing my purchases through monitoring oilnergy, I've saved a good $250. The pricing delays in your areas will differ from central Iowa. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 22:17:03 2008 Received: (qmail 10711 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 21:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 21:17:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE73C2F90; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:16:51 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:16:51 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A13C36CD for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:16:49 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 20456 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 21:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 21:16:46 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081104161527.011a6618@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:16:47 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder In-Reply-To: <49107B94.80907@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49103B11.3040401@chucknorcutt.com> <20360226.29991225801454648.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4910434D.5050506@chucknorcutt.com> <200811041245.15019.doug9345@localnet.com> <49107B94.80907@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 22:17:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910bbcf65477927319144 At 11:43 AM 11/4/2008, Chuck wrote: >I decided on bifocals this time since I have too many pairs of glasses. > I have reading glasses, computer glasses and glasses for distance >vision which, until recently, I only used for driving in the car and >they were always left in the car. But then I discovered that "distance" >was creeping downward and I could see the TV set much more clearly with >them on. That meant 3 pair of glasses in the house and I was constantly >picking up the wrong pair. Sounds too familiar it's scarry. The real bummer for me is I end up at work without the computer glasses and I'm sitting 6 feet from the monitor. Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 22:32:08 2008 Received: (qmail 23921 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 21:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 21:32:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB26C3FEF; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:31:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:31:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395D4C4011 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:31:46 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 9131 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 21:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 21:31:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4910BF40.2080401@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:31:44 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye References: <20252342.29961225799194599.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <17104768.29981225800378181.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <10430657.30051225823081785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <10430657.30051225823081785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 22:32:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910bf58297261234514069 Ummm. Be sure to take the new wife along too. She'll appreciate that. Properly trained ones can also carry tripods and other essential gear. But I have to admit that I'm not a very good trainer. Chuck Norcutt Dawid Loubser wrote: > Sir SilverNose, > > When I get married and go on honeymoon in February, you can be sure I > will be taking my OM-1. And nothing else. > > Dawid ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 22:36:46 2008 Received: (qmail 26423 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 21:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 21:36:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65D8C3B4F; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:36:31 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:36:31 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F81BC2B67 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:36:31 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 12569 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 21:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 21:36:30 -0000 Message-ID: <4910C05E.9050001@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:36:30 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 04/11/2008: the US election as seen in Copenhagen References: <356AAAD2-6C7F-4CFF-8DFE-E802F1A41527@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 22:36:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910c06e305763675314703 Of course not. You have to consider the age of the creators. Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > Don't they know about Dewey Defeats Truman? > > --Bob Whitmire > "Art's just fart without the eff." > www.bwp33.com > > On Nov 4, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Nathan wrote: > >> This morning, one of the leading Danish tabloids had already decided >> the outcome of the election: >> >> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#409960639_rBcAo-O-LB ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 22:41:37 2008 Received: (qmail 1818 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 21:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 21:41:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFB0C2D07; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:41:25 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:41:25 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EB7C40C9 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:41:24 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 15934 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 21:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 21:41:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4910C182.6030108@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:41:22 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Fall Colour References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 22:41:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910c191234061702588592 Number 2 is either a great shot or a discard. I'm still trying to make up my mind. I'd like to know what lens took the last shot and left all those bricks in nice straight lines. :-) Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > Hi all. Fall colour, Bristol style. You have to take what you can get > around here :-) > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/autumn > > Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 22:44:24 2008 Received: (qmail 7173 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 21:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 21:44:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374DFC3568; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:44:12 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:44:12 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9507AC3FD3 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:44:11 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 17822 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 21:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 21:44:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4910C22A.5000404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:44:10 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Fall Colour References: <5D3E29C0E1884DA79F0D1AF9C4937C72@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <5D3E29C0E1884DA79F0D1AF9C4937C72@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 22:44:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910c238244281499373980 Me too. In fact Tom takes a fair number of these advertising posters and bannera with surrounding environmental "scenery". This isn't the first one I've liked. Such ostentatious window advertising is not to be found around here... anymore. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Tom, > > I like the "Center Stage" shot. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Fenwick" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:28 PM > Subject: [OM] Fall Colour > > >> Hi all. Fall colour, Bristol style. You have to take what you can get >> around here :-) >> http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/autumn >> >> Tom >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 22:57:05 2008 Received: (qmail 1831 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 21:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 21:57:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393C8C282F; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:56:53 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:56:53 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA06C414C for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:56:52 +0100 (CET) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so1154035ywt.89 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:56:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=hrEpr1tZmUU9u/Qbn27I69ubq+HcA6T5hJIrH7aAsXc=; b=l/7S1XJ9iQrfVOVeUpNmnDDKPySIs/mQxMoSGnnidG3YdZemq/quQhQ2iWK/BqfqvY bxGjATtgUf8U/O0UWCVrlLs8QMkUUmAbrYGBLS4dRgABog0X7IdoTX2b6J+lXmd0JaHo /oZuxKL4PiJe/v+7JjJzOEgDKZ4lRnkILZF5A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=bHsR6HrEQOeQiZBLNR7GXhHuZiD200ZKvXOBwGMKY1rsklI4lJzpOvZQgnyScZEIuG kSVT6ZAsDx4iAJ9Mo5neMxxta9f041z8BwAmHQMv7mY97+UzPk/+Ggl6GFZdMkYgYvvh RU71PLe7SqXbLbdiwZQ7mmEQ1cgId4Q2F1fD8= Received: by 10.90.100.17 with SMTP id x17mr81980agb.75.1225835811513; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:56:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.36.11 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:56:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:56:51 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Fall Colour In-Reply-To: <4910C182.6030108@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <4910C182.6030108@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e90316184bbf07a9 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 22:57:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910c531107081585427447 Chuck wrote: >Number 2 is either a great shot or a discard. I'm still trying to make >up my mind. I'd like to know what lens took the last shot and left all >those bricks in nice straight lines. :-) You mean that your lenses don't keep the bricks straight? AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 23:43:03 2008 Received: (qmail 1772 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 22:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 22:43:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B09C2D8F; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:42:51 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:42:51 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4B3C3BF8 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:42:51 +0100 (CET) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so3364611wfd.5 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:42:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=TjvyKtkxOvTsp+mj2TiiCV+Pc4EKimx4HnJV13Egq1M=; b=LCrp22Z707SMOMSD/DHrmXZCY4hQKuYQjGDsJGLhjQD4wGIoFPK5qcaDMfBqckZtuT P9Z837STn5sBjm/Kdj9PfhOwIJGG5kEhFKceqBH4mB5QsSI8b8ZHCw9Cf2IdDZMn9W4S 3V77eu61Evl5Dlgi6uaD1F4IIodojQsDFP/5Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=GkLAUt2eoKBFiBAZ7gEaGBxOe2cptX9Kb0szvH1VQiTZ+KJqI2aK32Gw646GP4GsIZ 8vlnAw1uiTPljlBUsTHQpKoon2/fuirpARyTEDYsa4M6vH3OKJsioyfMUtyEVanxX63X 7I+aqOpgd5iZW9xC401MxTH72DKDiKjpSo0Xc= Received: by 10.142.47.6 with SMTP id u6mr66718wfu.91.1225838570378; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.204.3 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:42:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <901b226d0811041442u4a5af1cdra3beefa02e116561@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:42:50 -0800 From: "\"J. Van Brimmer\"" Sender: jerry.vb@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <49100945.4040400@yahoo.co.uk> <491028A1.3020705@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040307u41d3d96dpc3a61f9e4d3d1796@mail.gmail.com> <49103C2D.8060704@chucknorcutt.com> <7437417.30001225801738902.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <491045BD.4040702@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040459t65369c29pd870214a64676902@mail.gmail.com> <49104E9F.4060500@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7ef218256bc04098 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 23:43:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910cff7200571342116753 Okay, I'll humble myself and ask the dumb question. What are you guys talking about, what is HDR? One of the reasons I am here is to learn, after all. -- jv On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > > HDR, blending and grads all have their place. I think the best approach, > from a professional perspective is to be fluent and capable in all manners. > > Personally, my attempts at HDR have been quite successful, but the problem I > run into is that in the process of combining images together I sometimes > fail to see the original "vision" for the picture. I am in much better > shape if I can get the "original" image as close to final output as I can. > > And now that I'm heavily into film again, ND-Grads are a point of interest > for me too. I've been contemplating getting myself a nice Christmas present > of high-quality ND-Grads. 11 years ago, my entire set of Cokin filters grew > legs in a breakin and I never did replace them. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 23:51:40 2008 Received: (qmail 10576 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 22:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 22:51:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020BEC3AD9; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:51:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:51:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C9FC2895 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:51:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.20] (really [74.75.80.44]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081104225025.JCEG24109.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.2.20]> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:50:25 +0000 Message-ID: <4910D1B1.3070603@roadrunner.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:50:25 -0500 From: Richard Ociepka User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <49100945.4040400@yahoo.co.uk> <491028A1.3020705@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040307u41d3d96dpc3a61f9e4d3d1796@mail.gmail.com> <49103C2D.8060704@chucknorcutt.com> <7437417.30001225801738902.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <491045BD.4040702@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040459t65369c29pd870214a64676902@mail.gmail.com> <49104E9F.4060500@chucknorcutt.com> <901b226d0811041442u4a5af1cdra3beefa02e116561@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <901b226d0811041442u4a5af1cdra3beefa02e116561@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ociepka@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 23:51:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910d1fc161201744846740 "J. Van Brimmer" wrote: > Okay, I'll humble myself and ask the dumb question. What are you guys > talking about, what is HDR? HDR - High Dynamic Range http://tinyurl.com/o3kfo Dick ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 4 23:59:59 2008 Received: (qmail 25135 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 22:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 22:59:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8B8C3D8D; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:59:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:59:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86558C3DC6 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:59:46 +0100 (CET) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so3372415wfd.5 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:59:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Dvej/q9HRcDBAZH5BAPrsp5Slef/OhiJ5NofHI+X3pw=; b=AW7mhR+Bz1oAOJALGHnMTmW+3r7xzYWx0PG1T4VHbgeNEXkfzaA4ymdW/Ox7/CcSQ+ sxLpxViF6vdVnVQZn7Ajug7oDc4g5TOogbxM4PgIHF8ORbMroiio0lpUxllfLUKFc5jZ SjUNfVZdVTjGrpj5IS33gMNVZwLLo2Jk3IEjE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=TVTOLCwBBFNhYcGg6Q+IEwN/R83RjxDjKD290fg2wR2UA2Dj2d9mJGbzXvHlN2KGlb NckF8hGljWP5BMydt2krfLVplO/EHlZclDGyTmzV2F/mH9YTYSlQ9TVBW4BsfX8WGwO5 m6pMvcxKomJt4X3+sasZz/N+tpSKjbr6/XfgY= Received: by 10.142.230.9 with SMTP id c9mr52626wfh.343.1225839585900; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.204.3 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:59:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <901b226d0811041459h3a0df5f3p8cd6c2bb59b9f035@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:59:45 -0800 From: "\"J. Van Brimmer\"" Sender: jerry.vb@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081104161527.011a6618@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49103B11.3040401@chucknorcutt.com> <20360226.29991225801454648.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4910434D.5050506@chucknorcutt.com> <200811041245.15019.doug9345@localnet.com> <49107B94.80907@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081104161527.011a6618@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d9a7bf3cc01a5ed1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 4 23:59:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910d3ef221711073733319 I started out with bifocals, then tried progressives, couldn't stand them. I got tired of having to point my nose at whatever I wanted to see. So then I switched to trifocals. Love 'em! I always get the extra wide cut, whatever that's called. I can't remember. The bottom lens is for reading, the middle lens is for the computer screen, the top lens for distance. Once you get used to them it's like not having any glasses on at all. You learn to automatically switch between lenses. For me anyway, they're great. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:16 PM, WayneS wrote: > At 11:43 AM 11/4/2008, Chuck wrote: >>I decided on bifocals this time since I have too many pairs of glasses. >> I have reading glasses, computer glasses and glasses for distance >>vision which, until recently, I only used for driving in the car and >>they were always left in the car. But then I discovered that "distance" >>was creeping downward and I could see the TV set much more clearly with >>them on. That meant 3 pair of glasses in the house and I was constantly >>picking up the wrong pair. > -- jv ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 00:14:30 2008 Received: (qmail 4983 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 23:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 23:14:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB4DC35D6; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:14:16 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:14:16 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AAC9C27B7 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:14:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081104231415.XZBA2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:14:15 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id bBEF1a00A4vDLwc02BEFCe; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:14:15 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=Yq2DuY2hYMRVfDGZJLUA:9 a=6fFrjok5EprrNa7pNvUA:7 a=cL4aWbkekNftI2xoXVDkvzddZRMA:4 a=06iIV4LT0xAA:10 a=JZxnUwrBx3sA:10 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <09E3728A7A524907999858ABA693B579@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:14:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 00:14:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910d756147821234514069 South Central Kansas. My inlaws tell me it's about 20 cents a gallon cheaper in SW Missouri. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timpe, Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > Where here? > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of Sue Pearce > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:28 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > > > Sorry, Jim, 1.89 here > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timpe, Jim" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:15 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > >> >> Gas is back down to $2.379/gal at the local Costco. I can get close >> in my wife's toy car. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >> Behalf Of Andrew Fildes >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:12 PM >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express >> >> >> >> I don't believe that for one minute - no-one spends just $20 on fuel >> any more! Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 05/11/2008, at 12:24 AM, John Hermanson wrote: >> >>> A weird story. A friend of mine lives in the Binghamton NY area and >>> used to use his Paypal debit card for buying gas for his truck. >>> Twice, Exxon/Mobil stations debited his card $70 for a $20 gas >>> purchase! After >>> spending an hour on the phone, Exxon explained they do it "just in >>> case >>> there are problems with paypal. Don't worry, you'll get the $50 >>> back in >>> a few days". No one else handled the card, he paid at the pump, this >>> extra penalty must be built into their "firm"ware. He got his money >>> back, but they had it for 10 days to do with as they wish. Sounds >>> frickin' illegal, underhanded or something you'd expect an oil > company >>> would do in the '20s. >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> Please be advised that this email may contain confidential >> information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not >> read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email > >> in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by >> telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message > >> and any attachments. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1766 - Release Date: 11/4/2008 8:26 AM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 00:15:02 2008 Received: (qmail 26400 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 23:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 23:14:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D27C2E08; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:14:48 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:14:48 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C58C34C9 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:14:47 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 24870 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 23:14:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 23:14:45 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081104180803.01144048@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:14:46 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions In-Reply-To: <4910D1B1.3070603@roadrunner.com> References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <49100945.4040400@yahoo.co.uk> <491028A1.3020705@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040307u41d3d96dpc3a61f9e4d3d1796@mail.gmail.com> <49103C2D.8060704@chucknorcutt.com> <7437417.30001225801738902.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <491045BD.4040702@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040459t65369c29pd870214a64676902@mail.gmail.com> <49104E9F.4060500@chucknorcutt.com> <901b226d0811041442u4a5af1cdra3beefa02e116561@mail.gmail.com> <4910D1B1.3070603@roadrunner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 00:15:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910d77620191869477228 At 05:50 PM 11/4/2008, Dickwrote: >"J. Van Brimmer" wrote: >> Okay, I'll humble myself and ask the dumb question. What are you guys >> talking about, what is HDR? > >HDR - High Dynamic Range >http://tinyurl.com/o3kfo Often this is achieved by combining multiple exposures, but with todays digital cameras, getting close to 8-9 stops of range, where the histogram covers a wide range, can be processed with HDR techniques. The first HDR algorithm I studied was back in the 70's, called homomorphic signal processing. What it does is balanced the overall background exposure range while preserving detail. Here was one of my attempts at it: http://tinyurl.com/564b8y But today it is often associated with extreme processing of sorts. There are a lot of potential creative options for output. Photomatix was the standard used by many people, but PS CS4 can also do HDR blending. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 00:22:17 2008 Received: (qmail 8594 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 23:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 23:22:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB9FC3195; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:22:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:22:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C37C36C9 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:22:04 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 28511 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2008 23:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2008 23:22:02 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081104181937.011d61b8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:22:03 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express In-Reply-To: <09E3728A7A524907999858ABA693B579@SueHome> References: <09E3728A7A524907999858ABA693B579@SueHome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 00:22:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910d929206082336821329 At 06:14 PM 11/4/2008, you wrote: >South Central Kansas. My inlaws tell me it's about 20 cents a gallon cheaper >in SW Missouri. > >Bill Pearce My parents, (90's) are always telling me how low the price is in Missourah compared to me in Massachusetts. And today we determine whether it is warshington or washington for the next 4 years. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 00:53:44 2008 Received: (qmail 24960 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2008 23:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 23:53:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B16C380C; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:53:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:53:32 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCBAC3013 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:53:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC801D70065 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:53:25 +1100 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DRCQn8QByHWF for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:53:19 +1100 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA23D70056 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:53:08 +1100 (EST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=wildskies.net; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-AntiAbuse:X-AntiAbuse:X-AntiAbuse:X-AntiAbuse:X-AntiAbuse:X-Source:X-Source-Args:X-Source-Dir; b=1qOc0Hz46WnN81WfLxQRfMNZoFnjZFKAEUQlgA9OAFCqMyzq+n1TydtWqrrVws3LLESuNHIiQlL29IFf7YJ+0XAS0zmZI7i+a7bUCsLd1lE6anwzI0rISQEaFfSHc2Bo; Received: from [17.86.55.130] by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KxVhw-0008Gb-AY for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:53:12 +1100 Message-Id: From: Brent To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Using OM Gear [Was: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye] Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:53:09 +1100 References: <20252342.29961225799194599.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <17104768.29981225800378181.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ml.free.fr X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - wildskies.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brutherford@wildskies.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 00:53:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910e088263471823421471 On 05/11/2008, at 4:48 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Just yesterday, I shot two rolls of Ilford PanF and 1/2 a roll of > Provia in > the OM-4T and OM-3Ti on a personal project. What have the rest of > you shot > lately? I shot a couple of rolls on a recent business trip... we ended up staying at Torrey Pines Golf Course, visiting Miramar Naval air base, and other such frivolities. Took along one of my OM-1's, which I'd had an attempt at fixing up. Unfortunately not too well it seems as there's a bit of a consistent light leak there in one corner. Ahh well, one day I'll get around to sending a camera to John. Had the 50mm / 1.4 and the 100mm 2.8 Zuikos with me. The film I had with me was wrong for the conditions (800 ISO for the bright sunny days... and 400 ISO for the night shots). While I really enjoyed taking the photos, and I absolutely love handling the OM gear, I can't help but wish I'd had a digital body and even a big fat high quality zoom... I would have looked at the results of some of these photos, quickly adjusted the settings, and retaken. The ISO would have been set appropriately, I could have got in close to those birds and choppers, and I would have had multiple tries at getting things right (without breaking the bank). The resulting image files would be more flexible, lower noise / grain. None of this would have made me a better photographer, but it sure would have increased the chances of me transferring the image I had in my head into a form I could show other people. To get these two rolls of film developed, scanned and one set of 6x4 prints cost upwards of AUD$50, for maybe 5-6 images I would consider printing at a larger size. Develop and scan would have been cheaper ($20+), but still... I'm afraid that the digital siren call still resonates in my ears... http://web.me.com/brent_rutherford/Photos/Albums/Albums.html Brent ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 01:16:30 2008 Received: (qmail 20490 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 00:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 00:16:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B029C32E2; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:16:18 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:16:18 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4469CC3187 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:16:18 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 39191 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2008 00:16:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PTk3bINXVAVrCXjgs+WDRqQQ9X2KAImnkNYZ834d/lpLkd9f/KDOnRDq1XPxHup6zReu9DuRRkSuWcQ542+vQxEoqlnKOZ5Tk6nBOXUNLlAlf/2WahRd3sSLj9htcOHqtgn8e95W160SFpb08xgD36+sKbUXTNoj6RlgfNi9wEk=; X-YMail-OSG: NMed0sAVM1k2jxi.YfukBvZVPI90z9CJvy9a57.z0.vCDNTz0dO3Dpr4Qo6Tja.LT4efkaYqbQZ6A0XJrUwOZbKm11E6njV0UL7kHjWlGkspm92l8hniew3Oxk2bXhcPtcCbLwcgICtnvEfWX3AgMQJmurbGgRvtS1147JNVdc7_XIFOnLO3O6239QE- Received: from [81.132.163.168] by web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:16:18 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:16:18 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <901b226d0811041459h3a0df5f3p8cd6c2bb59b9f035@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <103199.38548.qm@web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: john.duggan10@btinternet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 01:16:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910e5de81781470116606 Hmm, This thread on glasses mirrors my situation. OM3 and 4ti...No problem with viewfinder. Leica M6...no problem with viewfinder, Reading glasses needed to "work controls". Canon 40D and Olympus 510 no problem with viewfinder BUT reading glasses needed to "work controls". Driving in the evenings (low light) brings its own problems. Long sight is perfect BUT when I look down on dashboard at speedo, CD controls, switches etc. everything is a blur, as is Satnav. I am thinking of getting either a pair of old fashioned style half lens glasses or variofocals tuned to clear glass in top running to reading prescription in bottom third. Comments / advice VERY welcome Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK --- On Tue, 4/11/08, "J. Van Brimmer" wrote: > From: "J. Van Brimmer" > Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 10:59 PM > I started out with bifocals, then tried progressives, > couldn't stand > them. I got tired of having to point my nose at whatever I > wanted to > see. So then I switched to trifocals. Love 'em! I > always get the extra > wide cut, whatever that's called. I can't remember. > The bottom lens is > for reading, the middle lens is for the computer screen, > the top lens > for distance. Once you get used to them it's like not > having any > glasses on at all. You learn to automatically switch > between lenses. > For me anyway, they're great. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 01:45:20 2008 Received: (qmail 23795 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 00:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 00:45:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4906C2F4A; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:45:08 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:45:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58408C3306 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:45:08 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 9041 invoked by uid 502); 5 Nov 2008 00:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.188.177) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 00:45:05 -0000 Message-ID: <4910EC89.4050102@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:44:57 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <490F25E1.2090506@jevb.tuffmail.com> <783C46E9-FA73-4F01-9746-BA99BFE8275B@people.net.au> <490F781D.9080609@gmail.com> <32A88FAE-0CE0-4F4B-95EE-5D675D6DFBA3@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <32A88FAE-0CE0-4F4B-95EE-5D675D6DFBA3@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 01:45:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910eca0105321591313764 Andrew Fildes wrote: > If you were trying, you'd actually say 'damn'. > (Oooo that's sooo naughty!) > That contradiction was meant as a subtler act than adding a smiley. Apropos the initial thread subject, I received a notice today of an unrequested increase in the limit on one of my cards, not Amex. It is one I use a lot, but I doubt if I've ever had a balance of 20% of the old limit, usually much less. I virtually never pay cash when I can use a card, but always pay the whole outstanding balance on each statement. I suppose that ups the credit score? Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 01:52:44 2008 Received: (qmail 15140 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 00:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 00:52:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78575C2F13; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:52:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:52:32 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE395C2BC1 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:52:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d60.38fb7452 (34916) for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d40 (mblk-d40.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.224]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA031-88644910ee4b33; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:52:27 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:52:27 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 75.147.3.221 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 75.147.3.221 by mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.224) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:52:27 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0CF7E8CD6AEE-C4-1666@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 01:52:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910ee5c271374673671140 Hmmm, Data I've seen that showed corneal thinning reversed within one month of discontinuation, though this is outside my normal area. From what I've seen there are restrictions on who can be corrected with these specialized contacts for astig. I dislike using glasses with a VF too. I've seen clear data that the multi focal radial contacts ( likely as well in the radial design multifocal replacment lenses with cataract surgery) reduce contrast and resolution though may still work very nicely for some. Whether they can be made with astig correction as well, I don't know. Worth a look in any event. Perhaps a custom diopter with one of the add on eyecups made by your optometrist---would clearly need a 2nd version for vertical orientation. Doesn't sound super convenient but possible. I am surprised this issue has been so poorly addressed by the manufacturers. Should be engineered so that the eyecup can be rotated or at least the custom diopter could be rotated so that the astig. correction is properly oriented. Live view focusing is another slower solution. excuse to get MKII? At least the replacement lenses with IOP cataract surgery are progressing nicely. It appears the ones that hook up to the ciliary apparatus may be a Leica solution for many. We'll see how the data holds up. http://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/iols.htm http://www.crystalens.com/IsCrystalensRightForYou.aspx Mike (who has a self-interest in keeping Dr. Focus in focus) So my question is how do y'all recommend I do this? A separate correction lens for the viewfinder? If so, how do I attach it and account for the need for correct rotational positioning of a lens designed for astigmatic correction? Or do I just use my distance vision glasses and adjust the diopter dial on the camera as needed. I've also just ordered my first ever set of bifocals. They've not arrived yet. Any problems with using them looking through the viewfinder? 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(124-171-189-181.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.189.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm19532770wfg.15.2008.11.04.17.04.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:04:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4910F110.9050301@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:04:16 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better References: <1B37FD179A3F41FC962D4453245E1256@meo.dec.com> <49103C70.1020805@gmail.com> <28BD6C80-7878-49C2-984D-0CF295C2C4C9@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <28BD6C80-7878-49C2-984D-0CF295C2C4C9@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 02:04:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910f120308618512572685 Andrew Fildes wrote: > I feel sick - why not just dip the lot in Vegemite?! Eww. That's just sick, Andrew. Cheers, Marc ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 02:08:26 2008 Received: (qmail 15730 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 01:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 01:08:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F83C3082; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:08:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:08:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB38C2FEE for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:08:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9U00GO65TLJXY0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:08:09 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-127.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.127]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:20:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:08:08 -0400 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: An4SAEiAEEkYigt//2dsb2JhbACBcIgswWQHg0w X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,546,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="361043973" References: <1B37FD179A3F41FC962D4453245E1256@meo.dec.com> <49103C70.1020805@gmail.com> <28BD6C80-7878-49C2-984D-0CF295C2C4C9@people.net.au> <4910F110.9050301@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 02:08:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910f20a195601838542571 That's Marmite ?? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> I feel sick - why not just dip the lot in Vegemite?! > > Eww. That's just sick, Andrew. > > Cheers, > Marc > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 02:12:47 2008 Received: (qmail 28126 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 01:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 01:12:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 870CCC35FE; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:12:35 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:12:35 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1457AC3405 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:12:35 +0100 (CET) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so1630399nfi.19 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:12:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=PHahb4PBAqrm7pkHREiSU8ESNer8KcZUvl4uNpBgpus=; b=ieHyRaBSw/9HgNc0P8zFV9O5/yltSJ5N8pgJbSjchRyVBo6oSxRfFEyppr4HJHuzZC aLcJRqqLb9xxj2EwuCOphwVhFA9frI3iYT42p1y9/AIDCW21TjGmIHQpqfToc86oltT1 n7y+cXyoNjWNeRma88IlbIECNRoxSSD/4bOLA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=KA1+8bX4xA8eZoOkoyH4r23bgKqlsNz4KijrGWyIl8/XFIxj38cR4IB4Pgqw/Y+erl SBH/qPS8/iwsLgdTtp1p9EhomZi7m/hlCp41tUSdowlSNgXuf4cl44DGROD2jAn7xaRE OZKSGT3mZe27kdsagXLRnk7Raap98hR3sCIeA= Received: by 10.210.42.13 with SMTP id p13mr311810ebp.97.1225847554882; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:12:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:12:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:12:34 +0000 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <1B37FD179A3F41FC962D4453245E1256@meo.dec.com> <49103C70.1020805@gmail.com> <28BD6C80-7878-49C2-984D-0CF295C2C4C9@people.net.au> <4910F110.9050301@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 02:12:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910f30f157662046811720 No. They aren't allowed marmite down there :-) Tom 2008/11/5 John Hudson > > That's Marmite ?? > > jh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:04 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better > > > > Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> I feel sick - why not just dip the lot in Vegemite?! > > > > Eww. That's just sick, Andrew. > > > > Cheers, > > Marc > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 02:13:31 2008 Received: (qmail 6902 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 01:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 01:13:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D654C365B; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:13:19 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:13:19 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA19C3699 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:13:18 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 2835 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 01:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 01:13:17 -0000 Message-ID: <4910F32C.6070704@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:13:16 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder References: <8CB0CF7E8CD6AEE-C4-1666@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB0CF7E8CD6AEE-C4-1666@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 02:13:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910f33b260711946193717 Wow! Almost too much data to digest. But hold on for this news flash. The new glasses are here, work better than the old ones but the left eye clearly doesn't see "sharp" like the right. Not sure why. Big mystery now that I know how to read the prescription. The new prescription says the left eye (view finder eye) doesn't have any astigmatism. The previous prescription did. What gives? Do the new glasses not work so well for the left eye because the prescription that says no astigmatism today is wrong or is it the slightly worsened (over last year) cataract in the left eye that is causing the problem. Dunno. Gotta go see the doc again I guess. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > > Hmmm, > > Data I've seen that showed corneal thinning reversed within one month > of discontinuation, though this is outside my normal area. From what > I've seen there are restrictions on who can be corrected with these > specialized contacts for astig. I dislike using glasses with a VF too. > I've seen clear data that the multi focal radial contacts ( likely as > well in the radial design multifocal replacment lenses with cataract > surgery) reduce contrast and resolution though may still work very > nicely for some. Whether they can be made with astig correction as > well, I don't know. > Worth a look in any event. > Perhaps a custom diopter with one of the add on eyecups made by your > optometrist---would clearly need a 2nd version for vertical > orientation. Doesn't sound super convenient but possible. I am > surprised this issue has been so poorly addressed by the manufacturers. > Should be engineered so that the eyecup can be rotated or at least the > custom diopter could be rotated so that the astig. correction is > properly oriented. > > Live view focusing is another slower solution. excuse to get MKII? > > At least the replacement lenses with IOP cataract surgery are > progressing nicely. It appears the ones that hook up to the ciliary > apparatus may be a Leica solution for many. We'll see how the data > holds up. > > http://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/iols.htm > > > http://www.crystalens.com/IsCrystalensRightForYou.aspx > > Mike > (who has a self-interest in keeping Dr. Focus in focus) > > > So my question is how do y'all recommend I do this? A separate > correction lens for the viewfinder? If so, how do I attach it and > account for the need for correct rotational positioning of a lens > designed for astigmatic correction? Or do I just use my distance vision > glasses and adjust the diopter dial on the camera as needed. I've also > just ordered my first ever set of bifocals. They've not arrived yet. > Any problems with using them looking through the viewfinder? > > Thanks, > Chuck Norcutt > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 02:13:42 2008 Received: (qmail 7694 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 01:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 01:13:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C962C36B6; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:13:31 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:13:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5A9C3774 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:13:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD79B0700 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:13:17 +1100 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id frESCYbl-TNI for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:13:14 +1100 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3130CB0681 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:13:14 +1100 (EST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=wildskies.net; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:X-Priority:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-AntiAbuse:X-AntiAbuse:X-AntiAbuse:X-AntiAbuse:X-AntiAbuse:X-Source:X-Source-Args:X-Source-Dir; b=tQb5bA5JKq8G8vkZOhLDJP9JVdTRxpftoZsHd0UnkHMSp5HjciRWlQu9dAVqwZrU8CxA/Gt5WOtJ4VDltb7NOk+XF32cOXjKaQPdQMI9QDjISbzsi0rrYskxIZHFTAUj; Received: from [17.86.55.130] by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KxWxS-0001HB-Q2 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:13:18 +1100 Message-Id: <2E529B0E-49B5-4AED-AC78-80533A2798C2@wildskies.net> From: Brent To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:13:16 +1100 References: <1B37FD179A3F41FC962D4453245E1256@meo.dec.com> <49103C70.1020805@gmail.com> <28BD6C80-7878-49C2-984D-0CF295C2C4C9@people.net.au> <4910F110.9050301@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ml.free.fr X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - wildskies.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brutherford@wildskies.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 02:13:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910f346162641838542571 Well, close, but not to someone who eats Vegemite... Brent (a daily Vegemite-on-toast eater) On 05/11/2008, at 12:08 PM, John Hudson wrote: > > That's Marmite ?? > > jh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:04 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better > > >> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>> I feel sick - why not just dip the lot in Vegemite?! >> >> Eww. That's just sick, Andrew. >> >> Cheers, >> Marc > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 02:51:57 2008 Received: (qmail 24391 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 01:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 01:51:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F2BC2DBB; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:51:44 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:51:44 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C5DC36C4 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:51:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.88]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA51pbXg031091 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:51:37 +1100 Message-Id: <200811050151.mA51pbXg031091@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:51:37 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:51:37 +1100 Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 02:51:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910fc3d61342046811720 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > Or do I just use my distance vision > > glasses and adjust the diopter dial on the camera as needed. I've also > just ordered my first ever set of bifocals. They've not arrived yet. > Any problems with using them looking through the viewfinder? > I've got pretty bad astigmatism + myopia and I just use my distance spectacles, no diopter needed for OM-1s, 2s and I adjust diopter on 3 & 4 with glasses on. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 02:54:11 2008 Received: (qmail 7175 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 01:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 01:54:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AAA5C2DBF; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:54:00 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:54:00 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D3EC2898 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:53:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.88]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA51rtLG008087 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:53:56 +1100 Message-Id: <200811050153.mA51rtLG008087@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:53:55 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:53:55 +1100 Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 02:54:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910fcc34162336821329 > montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > > I don't like fishnchips. Now if you swap the fish out for a chiko roll > or a couple of dimmies or some scallopes (99% batter), with a side of a > large vat of tomato sauce, and we're talking! > When you write "scallopes", do you really mean "scallops" or "potato cakes" ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 02:57:45 2008 Received: (qmail 21443 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 01:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 01:57:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B0AC3090; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:57:34 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:57:34 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A2AC2BBF for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:57:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.88]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA51vUEL006864 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:57:31 +1100 Message-Id: <200811050157.mA51vUEL006864@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:57:30 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:57:30 +1100 Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 02:57:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4910fd9926741470116606 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > > ps: I mentioned this downside of contact lenses to my ophthalmologist > during my recent exam and he professed not to know about it. But I > think he was playing dumb. The web is full of scientific papers that > discuss it. > Well he should know about it even if it's not substantiated. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 03:08:08 2008 Received: (qmail 20790 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 02:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 02:08:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026DCC2F37; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:07:57 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:07:56 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFCEC2C30 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:07:55 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 27388 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 02:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 02:07:54 -0000 Message-ID: <4910FFFA.2070907@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:07:54 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder References: <200811050151.mA51pbXg031091@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200811050151.mA51pbXg031091@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 03:08:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49110008201781470116606 I just tried the new specs with the 5D and I can see the full frame (but I don't like it). I'll have to check further and more cameras tomorrow. I need a rubber eyecup which I lost on the trip. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> Or do I just use my distance vision >> >> glasses and adjust the diopter dial on the camera as needed. I've also >> just ordered my first ever set of bifocals. They've not arrived yet. >> Any problems with using them looking through the viewfinder? >> > > I've got pretty bad astigmatism + myopia and I just use my distance spectacles, no diopter needed for OM-1s, 2s and I adjust diopter on 3 & 4 with glasses on. > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 03:47:44 2008 Received: (qmail 8343 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 02:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 02:47:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9AAC376B; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:47:33 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:47:33 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C02C3663 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:47:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081105024733.HFEA19960.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:47:33 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id bEnX1a00M4vDLwc02EnYB4; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:47:32 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=1a135qtbG5zMgE-5QssA:9 a=9dB0KKZXhWfCg5aPqo0A:7 a=3SqwEgvkoq9Y-0sBoZzT0ASha2wA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=oLyKKK6XQo0A:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490A151C.7060901@chucknorcutt.com> <490A5071.5050106@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081030212422.01130c58@zuik.net> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <490F25E1.2090506@jevb.tuffmail.com> <783C46E9-FA73-4F01-9746-BA99BFE8275B@people.net.au> <490F781D.9080609@gmail.com> <32A88FAE-0CE0-4F4B-95EE-5D675D6DFBA3@people.net.au> <4910EC89.4050102@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:47:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 03:47:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49110950326277927319144 Actually, carrying a balance ups your score, assuming you make regular appropriate payments. Then, you demonstrate the ability to pay outside your frugal limits. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> If you were trying, you'd actually say 'damn'. >> (Oooo that's sooo naughty!) >> > That contradiction was meant as a subtler act than adding a smiley. > > Apropos the initial thread subject, I received a notice today of an > unrequested increase in the limit on one of my cards, not Amex. It is > one I use a lot, but I doubt if I've ever had a balance of 20% of the > old limit, usually much less. > > I virtually never pay cash when I can use a card, but always pay the > whole outstanding balance on each statement. I suppose that ups the > credit score? > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1766 - Release Date: 11/4/2008 8:26 AM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 03:49:21 2008 Received: (qmail 26630 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 02:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 02:49:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E96C35EF; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:49:08 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:49:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.152]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AA8AC3734 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:49:08 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 20223 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2008 02:49:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=KwvGVZBb6IdvNm5sbA0cS9sJLVk82Cyli/v1H8zi+PQ6vvOUxpuJ/TesOLNtHqGamFm1h7FwtiD5QhurG4hrnKrV+Vv7VbZUrLAU2vtDOFrEuaev1xbCkpqVAhS0cHwfvKc+Erb6fDNW0NQcqgIHVCtPGMdZP/bU9xqZcywHSJs=; X-YMail-OSG: pwWhgcUVM1mkbIdXy9bauiimd7fg1hHSY5vZqHkf3RVYBzIpiNnMX8zXztdZScgsFw-- Received: from [64.223.49.164] by web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:49:07 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:49:07 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <608772.19977.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 03:49:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491109b1269937350615338 There must be a reason for life there to be cheaper...or at least appears that way.  But it is always a loosing argument.  When it comes to quality of life, it is not worth even mentioning to the midwesterners or southerners how bad they have it. Wifey is from the state of Misery, thats where I met her.  We lived in Saint Louis for seven years...and just couldn't wait to get the hell out of there.  Last thing I remember before we left for NE in 2001 was McDonalds restaurant with a giant fifteen food plastic gorilla on the top of its roof and my wife exclaiming.."That's just beautiful"...it took us five years to get the courage to return and visit our relatives who still live there. Most of people relate to food very well, so I would try to explain it in terms of food...:)  It is really bad.  You need to go to at least a semi-upscale restaurant to get the quality and athmosphere you get in New England, but then...the portions shrink to normal and you pay at least 1/3 more than you would pay in The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, my new country. I visit Saint Louis more often now, but it always feels like going to a third world country. Boris     At 06:14 PM 11/4/2008, you wrote: >South Central Kansas. My inlaws tell me it's about 20 cents a gallon cheaper >in SW Missouri. > >Bill Pearce My parents, (90's) are always telling me how low the price is in Missourah compared to me in Massachusetts. And today we determine whether it is warshington or washington for the next 4 years. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 03:49:39 2008 Received: (qmail 810 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 02:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 02:49:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E827C3019; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:49:21 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:49:21 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257E0C38A5 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:49:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081105024920.NKSD4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:49:20 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id bEpK1a0084vDLwc02EpKbR; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:49:19 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=O0LUGYV9YOkA:10 a=YeK3iSeTj0oA:10 a=x5P5ecsOAAAA:8 a=KEwbcSRrAAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=kmDAQiRoEnVhEz1RRGoA:9 a=71QFrCZA05zEEgBBYDQA:7 a=oxi3n_S9soXP3qeoeeJER_GlWHsA:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <2586853F88744768B332B5DEE70EBE27@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <8CB0CF7E8CD6AEE-C4-1666@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:49:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 03:49:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491109c350351823421471 I'm perfectly happy with my progressives, except for the horizon part. Can't take too much prism (astig. correcction) as it gives me unbelievable headaches. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: [OM] Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder > > > Hmmm, > > Data I've seen that showed corneal thinning reversed within one month > of discontinuation, though this is outside my normal area. From what > I've seen there are restrictions on who can be corrected with these > specialized contacts for astig. I dislike using glasses with a VF too. > I've seen clear data that the multi focal radial contacts ( likely as > well in the radial design multifocal replacment lenses with cataract > surgery) reduce contrast and resolution though may still work very > nicely for some. Whether they can be made with astig correction as > well, I don't know. > Worth a look in any event. > Perhaps a custom diopter with one of the add on eyecups made by your > optometrist---would clearly need a 2nd version for vertical > orientation. Doesn't sound super convenient but possible. I am > surprised this issue has been so poorly addressed by the manufacturers. > Should be engineered so that the eyecup can be rotated or at least the > custom diopter could be rotated so that the astig. correction is > properly oriented. > > Live view focusing is another slower solution. excuse to get MKII? > > At least the replacement lenses with IOP cataract surgery are > progressing nicely. It appears the ones that hook up to the ciliary > apparatus may be a Leica solution for many. We'll see how the data > holds up. > > http://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/iols.htm > > > http://www.crystalens.com/IsCrystalensRightForYou.aspx > > Mike > (who has a self-interest in keeping Dr. Focus in focus) > > > So my question is how do y'all recommend I do this? A separate > correction lens for the viewfinder? If so, how do I attach it and > account for the need for correct rotational positioning of a lens > designed for astigmatic correction? Or do I just use my distance vision > glasses and adjust the diopter dial on the camera as needed. I've also > just ordered my first ever set of bifocals. They've not arrived yet. > Any problems with using them looking through the viewfinder? > > Thanks, > Chuck Norcutt > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1766 - Release Date: 11/4/2008 8:26 AM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 03:51:20 2008 Received: (qmail 30273 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 02:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 02:51:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A166C285C; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:51:08 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:51:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791C4C2B41 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:51:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081105025108.HGJH19960.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:51:08 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id bEr61a0084vDLwc02Er6ma; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:51:07 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=c9c30gpwvDYA:10 a=UlP6G318KNgA:10 a=x5P5ecsOAAAA:8 a=KEwbcSRrAAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=JVdi2Y42CzJoI9aqdrsA:9 a=9o_SCfgEBKYCGqjq6xcA:7 a=G3lC0_6BNmNw1WVbZHMtDbQZ29EA:4 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=pt045V2O6wwA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4D478BDEAEF14E7D948C454276B80322@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <8CB0CF7E8CD6AEE-C4-1666@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> <4910F32C.6070704@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:51:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 03:51:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49110a28251441744846740 Are the lenses right? My doctor returns 30% of the lenses from the major local lab that he is required by some insurance plans to use instead of his own lab, where rejects are essentially zero. It's not unusual to get lenses wrong. An don't even consider those glasses in an hour places Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:13 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder > Wow! Almost too much data to digest. But hold on for this news flash. > The new glasses are here, work better than the old ones but the left > eye clearly doesn't see "sharp" like the right. Not sure why. Big > mystery now that I know how to read the prescription. The new > prescription says the left eye (view finder eye) doesn't have any > astigmatism. The previous prescription did. What gives? Do the new > glasses not work so well for the left eye because the prescription that > says no astigmatism today is wrong or is it the slightly worsened (over > last year) cataract in the left eye that is causing the problem. Dunno. > Gotta go see the doc again I guess. > > Chuck Norcutt > > usher99@aol.com wrote: >> >> Hmmm, >> >> Data I've seen that showed corneal thinning reversed within one month >> of discontinuation, though this is outside my normal area. From what >> I've seen there are restrictions on who can be corrected with these >> specialized contacts for astig. I dislike using glasses with a VF too. >> I've seen clear data that the multi focal radial contacts ( likely as >> well in the radial design multifocal replacment lenses with cataract >> surgery) reduce contrast and resolution though may still work very >> nicely for some. Whether they can be made with astig correction as >> well, I don't know. >> Worth a look in any event. >> Perhaps a custom diopter with one of the add on eyecups made by your >> optometrist---would clearly need a 2nd version for vertical >> orientation. Doesn't sound super convenient but possible. I am >> surprised this issue has been so poorly addressed by the manufacturers. >> Should be engineered so that the eyecup can be rotated or at least the >> custom diopter could be rotated so that the astig. correction is >> properly oriented. >> >> Live view focusing is another slower solution. excuse to get MKII? >> >> At least the replacement lenses with IOP cataract surgery are >> progressing nicely. It appears the ones that hook up to the ciliary >> apparatus may be a Leica solution for many. We'll see how the data >> holds up. >> >> http://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/iols.htm >> >> >> http://www.crystalens.com/IsCrystalensRightForYou.aspx >> >> Mike >> (who has a self-interest in keeping Dr. Focus in focus) >> >> >> So my question is how do y'all recommend I do this? A separate >> correction lens for the viewfinder? If so, how do I attach it and >> account for the need for correct rotational positioning of a lens >> designed for astigmatic correction? Or do I just use my distance vision >> glasses and adjust the diopter dial on the camera as needed. I've also >> just ordered my first ever set of bifocals. They've not arrived yet. >> Any problems with using them looking through the viewfinder? >> >> Thanks, >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 >> 4:59 PM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1766 - Release Date: 11/4/2008 8:26 AM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 03:57:06 2008 Received: (qmail 11768 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 02:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 02:57:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99326C2E0C; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:56:55 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:56:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.150]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id DF590C2E3A for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:56:54 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 19797 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2008 02:56:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=CopICHAHhBgeQhnUlxBkiFh2Fw4vIfFQm9rwUbhmQN/S04I3AtuwFu5INo+OXVHH2M1dD0BdbSzkwN1OjD7lulHFhYMssg9vNfhz0KZxfro1ju9TvqiEcg30OBqH9cjULEf+rn/jc0SZLhL3unBdexQ+XRg1kBrf3BAAlrcCEhk=; X-YMail-OSG: 71afr9QVM1lHIGKgpvTvNkilMnSNdnB9gwbbcX8MZnFCsph5diIKyqLrEtCppbD6ruzECUSSTgIrjKokJHSN23aVpP2Xr7f1fTJxbRvrbxEYx0YrsmkBpBzk2Q0LGYHHLHXQ Received: from [64.223.49.164] by web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:56:54 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:56:54 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] Re: [IMG] Sunset To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <267412.17121.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 03:57:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49110b82210961838542571 Ha, ha...Good one, Chuck   I got a good explanation though...or at least I think...:)    Up to that point we were traveling East and the sun was behind us.  When we turned NE and then N, the starboard of the plane was facing the setting sun.   But I am glad you enjoyed my imaginary picture.   Boris   "...we turned NE towards Providence." I'm trying to figure out which sun you were watching setting in the north east.  :-)  But, yes, I got the picture.  Wish I'd seen it. Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 04:04:01 2008 Received: (qmail 1704 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 03:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 03:04:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A52C2F01; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:03:50 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:03:50 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.150]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 70979C2DF4 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:03:49 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 25844 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2008 03:03:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=369/PESj5INqV6M4dwoFFzM+2iAuz7pjdYggLqKj5C9zp8g7QD3tYPj7HJzsgI28zXSsFvYRhsALZ4gC9sV4eiZooiYuKKnUiK5y/M11BtO9Jp1XGl1176eWu6qq2CmSOKvSKrqVsogTKMl30RzcTJKlAb7hkc10t7wQDw1Ceyc=; X-YMail-OSG: 4p_rFw8VM1l4OJ7zQvi9TRwCsPN16EBe3XypfXRPfuWP3nS6ri2xkuD91_.jOGSd.YCYtOpGF.v2WnkMwH6Yeh.mBytFmmOio09GK5vPOLM9JIjv0YhJgQKsXQSYnb9hsXqI_7WJfmdvyk2jub0jobiiKF8oCytrK_BtF9mI Received: from [64.223.49.164] by web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:03:48 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:03:48 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] Re: [IMG] Sunset To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <831873.25427.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 04:04:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49110d21116618512572685 It felt like I was with you on that plane, Chris.   Glad that I reminded you of that beautiful moment.   Boris             It sounds wonderful, Boris.  I have seen a few lovely sunsets over my  years of flying. I was once in a Tornado over the North Sea, flying between Holland and  East Anglia (Norfolk coast) in the late afternoon.  There were layers  of cloud and the sun set between them, bathing the cloud in gold- pink.  It was utterly gorgeous. Chris ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 04:31:18 2008 Received: (qmail 14796 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 03:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 03:31:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32B8C3367; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:31:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:31:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B94C327E for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:31:06 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 32298 invoked by uid 502); 5 Nov 2008 03:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.1.186) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 03:31:05 -0000 Message-ID: <49111373.1090704@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:30:59 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder References: <8CB0CF7E8CD6AEE-C4-1666@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> <4910F32C.6070704@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4910F32C.6070704@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 04:31:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911138640111823421471 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Wow! Almost too much data to digest. But hold on for this news flash. The new glasses are here, work better than the old ones but the left eye clearly doesn't see "sharp" like the right. Not sure why. Big > mystery now that I know how to read the prescription. The new prescription says the left eye (view finder eye) doesn't have any astigmatism.... > Gotta go see the doc again I guess. > Yup, get it all checked. My most recent prescription had to be remade twice. One advantage of an in-house optometrist is that my insistence that I couldn't see correctly with the first pair led to a retest, with a different fellow. Which gave a different prescription! So no charge, but an apology. The second set of lenses had photo gray that didn't, well, a tiny bit. The third set worked fine. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 04:55:50 2008 Received: (qmail 26752 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 03:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 03:55:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D2CC348C; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:55:38 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:55:38 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1788FC32C2 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:55:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20081105035536H0300pnn4ke>; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:55:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <8CB0CF7E8CD6AEE-C4-1666@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> <4910F32C.6070704@chucknorcutt.com> <49111373.1090704@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:55:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 04:55:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49111946266741470116606 Hi, Moose, We have been through some of those times when it seemed that no one could get my wife's Rx right. She has double vision, which required lateral prism correction to start with, now both lateral and vertical. Our standard test with any new Rx is to walk outside and look down the street at the McDonald's sign. If the arches don't coincide, its time to redo the lenses. I finally set up a spread sheet with all of the variables, and, her success rate, and worked out her last Rx and suggested it to the opthamalogist. It worked better than his suggestions, and she is happy with this pair. Since she uses a separate pair for computer work, she did not need the strong close-up correction in the lower lens. I finally convinced the lab to use her distance Rx in the upper lenses, and a medium correction in the lower portion, with the lower portion enlarged to cover what would normally be the area of the medium lens and the trifocal. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Wow! Almost too much data to digest. But hold on for this news flash. >> The new glasses are here, work better than the old ones but the left eye >> clearly doesn't see "sharp" like the right. Not sure why. Big >> mystery now that I know how to read the prescription. The new >> prescription says the left eye (view finder eye) doesn't have any >> astigmatism.... >> Gotta go see the doc again I guess. >> > Yup, get it all checked. My most recent prescription had to be remade > twice. One advantage of an in-house optometrist is that my insistence > that I couldn't see correctly with the first pair led to a retest, with > a different fellow. Which gave a different prescription! So no charge, > but an apology. > > The second set of lenses had photo gray that didn't, well, a tiny bit. > The third set worked fine. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 05:17:57 2008 Received: (qmail 31484 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 04:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 04:17:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75760C334A; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:17:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:17:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FE1C2E7F for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:17:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.113]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA54HfYf019906 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:17:41 +1100 Message-Id: <200811050417.mA54HfYf019906@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail08.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:17:41 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:17:41 +1100 Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 05:17:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49111e7557321591313764 > Ken Norton wrote: > > The pricing delays in your areas will differ from central Iowa. > Yeah I reckon they will ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 05:48:53 2008 Received: (qmail 9563 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 04:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 04:48:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518BAC3168; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:48:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:48:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC44C3109 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:48:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mA54mc56012337 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:48:38 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: References: <4910B5BE.4040600@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:46:37 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ch_photo@accura.com.hk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 05:48:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491125b5128749117217770 Unfortunately at $1299 the body price is even higher than current E-3 (now $1550 with a free 14-54/2.8-3.5 here). C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald" > Well, it's called the e-30, has 12mp and th3 same articulated screen as > the e-3, 5fps and 11 point autofocus. > > 14-54 also updated with circular diaphragm blades and closer focus. > > Ask me how I know... > > D. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 06:47:15 2008 Received: (qmail 20107 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 05:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 05:47:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AADC326E; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:47:03 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:47:02 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl37.gs02.gridserver.com (cl37.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480ADC2B50 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:47:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50737 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl37.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KxbEL-0001Uf-4P for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:47:01 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:46:59 -0500 Subject: [OM] Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye Thread-Index: Ack/CesyKYE2Var9Ed2OkAAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 06:47:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49113363196311257536491 Ken, I've not used my OM gear much lately, because most of my work is done in medium format. All film, of course. I use my Hasselblad for 90% of my work, and my OM's for the other 10%. I have been shooting a lot lately, but haven't added much to my website because my life has gotten so crazy. I am working on school, working for clients to make money, and taking care of my son. He is living with me full time now because his mother has been put in a mental hospital by the state. I'm working on the paperwork to go to court to get custody transferred to me. Once I get caught up I plan to add lots of new stuff to my site. I find time to shoot because going out with my camera relaxes me and I have been under incredible stress lately. My girlfriend is getting great use from her OM-4T, which we bought from Richard Lovison here on the list. I maintain her website too so her work isn't getting put online for the same reason as mine. We developed 4 rolls of 120 film that I shot, and 3 rolls of 35mm that Catrina shot this afternoon. All shot in the last week. All black & white, but Catrina wants to go buy some color film tomorrow so she can shoot the fall colors, which are beautiful in Indiana now. Anyway, that's what I've been doing. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 11/4/08 12:48 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > > Dawid wrote: >> You see, having sold all my expensive Canon digital gear, I can afford >> to splurge a bit on some Zuiko exotics, and I would really like the 8mm. > > When I look at the cost of the E-3 (or even the new E-30) with ONE moderate > zoom, I realize that I could buy a bunch of exotica OM gear for the same > amount. Life is sweet. If I reversed course and went 100% film, I could > actually afford the 35-80/2.8, 350/2.8, MD2, and T45. Of course, if I did > go 100% film, I'd have to--there is no way I could function with the primes > I have in a high-pressure, high-flexibility situation and the flash and > motordrive would be required too. Unfortunately, 100% film is no longer > feasable. > > Do people actually REALIZE what we're doing? We're selling our souls for > the dream of better megapixels. And then to make use of those megapixels, > we're trashing perfectly good lenses for some plasticky uberzoom with more > distortion than a willow tree in the wind. Oh, but it has built-in > image-stabilization! > Folks, PLEASE get out your OM gear, slap a roll of color-print film in it, > have it processed and scanned commercially (see Ken Rockwell) and enjoy the > results. You might not want to use film for everything, but most of the > time, 3MP camera files exceed requirements anyway. Instead of dreaming of > that 5Dmk2, save your pennies and pop a roll of film in your OMs. The 5Dmk2 > won't make you a better photographer and using a modern digital camera is > too much like trying to use M*cros*oft Wind*ws. If you want to fly a > computer, fly a computer. If you want to take pictures, use a camera. > After all, EVERY camera is really nothing more than a light-tight box that > holds film or a sensor. Some boxes are meant to be used, others are meant > to be compared on dpr*view. > > I guess I shouldn't complain about people migrating to digital--I've been > the benificiary of the left-behind equipment. But, come on, let's get some > passion back into our photography! If I can get all excited about a MANUAL > camera with a MECHANICAL shutter, don't you think that you can express a > little joy about the 100/2, 21/2, OM-4Ti or whatever other special items > lurk in your equipment closet which you haven't touched in two or > three years? > > Just yesterday, I shot two rolls of Ilford PanF and 1/2 a roll of Provia in > the OM-4T and OM-3Ti on a personal project. What have the rest of you shot > lately? > > Why is this passion/excitement important? Do I really have to give you an > answer? Yes, I recognize that one can get passionate and excited when > shooting the latest/greatest digital camera, but passion/excitement has to > come from WITHIN. It does not come from stressing your credit-cards to buy > the latest/greatest. If you can't be passionate and excited when shooting > with what you currently have, the passion/excitement from a new camera > purchase will be shortlived and artificial--lasting only until the next > model comes out. > > AG-Schnozz > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 06:54:00 2008 Received: (qmail 15794 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 05:53:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 05:53:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E598C3334; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:53:49 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:53:49 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 429A0C34EA for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:53:47 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 25791 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 05:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 05:53:44 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <855913.15546.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <855913.15546.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <19C68CC7-4ADF-4F29-B349-E9753075CD75@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] US Elections Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:53:40 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 06:54:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491134f8312585368819438 Been there, done that, sent it to friends with voting rights... Neat bit of campaigning in countries where getting the vote out is a problem. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2008, at 7:39 AM, Willie Wonka wrote: > > You need not worry about excercisin' your voting rights anymore. > The people on the street have spoken... > > http://www.cnnbcvideo.com/video.shtml? > nid=zHUYk0AT2hcQvOPnwaOSpjk5NjM0MTE- > > Boris > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 06:54:26 2008 Received: (qmail 30097 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 05:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 05:54:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64B8C2BCD; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:54:15 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:54:15 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id AB9D4C2CC7 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:54:13 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 25835 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 05:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 05:54:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4910B5BE.4040600@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <4910B5BE.4040600@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <2B6A83D6-1278-4DA3-BA0D-24310A3FBC4E@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:54:08 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 06:54:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49113512225371529615919 Just so long as I didn't tell you!!!! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2008, at 7:51 AM, Donald wrote: > Well, it's called the e-30, has 12mp and th3 same articulated > screen as > the e-3, 5fps and 11 point autofocus. > > 14-54 also updated with circular diaphragm blades and closer focus. > > Ask me how I know... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 07:01:50 2008 Received: (qmail 23420 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 06:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 06:01:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA19C3662; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:01:38 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:01:38 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 11A57C35A6 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:01:37 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 27988 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 06:01:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 06:01:09 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <901b226d0811041459h3a0df5f3p8cd6c2bb59b9f035@mail.gmail.com> References: <49103B11.3040401@chucknorcutt.com> <20360226.29991225801454648.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4910434D.5050506@chucknorcutt.com> <200811041245.15019.doug9345@localnet.com> <49107B94.80907@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081104161527.011a6618@zuik.net> <901b226d0811041459h3a0df5f3p8cd6c2bb59b9f035@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <7540CAA9-D271-40D5-BEE2-D5BDCEE5F52E@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:01:05 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 07:01:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491136ce123534673671140 You need the quadfocals - the bottom section is double reading strength for LCD screens. Seriously, I use a pair of cheap readers at double my normal strength for chimping. Works really well for me. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2008, at 9:59 AM, J. Van Brimmer wrote: > I started out with bifocals, then tried progressives, couldn't stand > them. I got tired of having to point my nose at whatever I wanted to > see. So then I switched to trifocals. Love 'em! I always get the extra > wide cut, whatever that's called. I can't remember. The bottom lens is > for reading, the middle lens is for the computer screen, the top lens > for distance. Once you get used to them it's like not having any > glasses on at all. You learn to automatically switch between lenses. > For me anyway, they're great. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 07:06:28 2008 Received: (qmail 15667 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 06:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 06:06:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6854DC2B92; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:06:17 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:06:17 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E3D86C2C85 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:06:15 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 28572 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 06:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 06:06:13 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4910FFFA.2070907@chucknorcutt.com> References: <200811050151.mA51pbXg031091@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4910FFFA.2070907@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <7FED0663-E085-45DD-BB08-83B65D9788DF@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:06:09 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 07:06:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491137e4242121585427447 Are you using the eyepiece magnifier? (EX15?) I use them to get my nose off the screen. (Left-eyed). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2008, at 1:07 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I just tried the new specs with the 5D and I can see the full frame > (but > I don't like it). I'll have to check further and more cameras > tomorrow. > I need a rubber eyecup which I lost on the trip. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 07:09:25 2008 Received: (qmail 3990 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 06:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 06:09:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632ABC2881; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:09:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:09:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E1E75C348A for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:09:12 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 29975 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 06:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 06:09:10 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <608772.19977.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <608772.19977.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <157A3142-A53D-4B6F-B9B2-698FDF45F36C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:09:06 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 07:09:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911389562711234514069 The food or the gorilla? Seriously, that's grounds for divorce. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2008, at 1:49 PM, Willie Wonka wrote: > Last thing I remember before we left for NE in 2001 was McDonalds > restaurant with a giant fifteen food plastic gorilla on the top of > its roof and my wife exclaiming.."That's just beautiful"... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 07:11:33 2008 Received: (qmail 15545 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 06:11:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 06:11:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AFEC31AD; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:11:21 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:11:21 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D895C364C for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:11:20 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 30188 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 06:11:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 06:11:18 -0000 In-Reply-To: <4D478BDEAEF14E7D948C454276B80322@SueHome> References: <8CB0CF7E8CD6AEE-C4-1666@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> <4910F32C.6070704@chucknorcutt.com> <4D478BDEAEF14E7D948C454276B80322@SueHome> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <1BFE7B1C-23DD-402E-8068-E28731D23312@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:11:14 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 07:11:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911391587523675314703 My favorite reading glasses are a pair I found in a bucket at a Salvation Army store - their so perfect I'm thinking of getting the prescription copied from them. Somedays you're just lucky... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2008, at 1:51 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > t's not unusual to get lenses wrong. An don't even consider those > glasses > in an hour places ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 07:21:46 2008 Received: (qmail 20734 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 06:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 06:21:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F08C32FB; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:21:33 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:21:33 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D59EC310A for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:21:29 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 32393 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 06:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 06:21:25 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4910B5BE.4040600@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <4910B5BE.4040600@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <877797B3-9E70-47A5-8188-2EAC9A833DAB@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:21:21 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 07:21:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49113b7a254431869477228 Embargo is off - I did give you guys a hint a copupla days back. In the 'art filters' (cute scene modes) there is a 'Toy Camera' filter, basically a Holga mode. Vignettes and smears the focus and colour. Cute but not as good as the real thing tho'. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au Olympus Launches New Enthusiast Digital SLR: The E-30 High speed 12.3 megapixel digital SLR with pre-viewable Art Filters and sophisticated Multi-Exposure capability Olympus Imaging Corporation (President: Masaharu Okubo) today announced the launch of the E-30. Designed with the creative photographer in mind, the E-30 boasts a comprehensive feature set that will appeal to the experienced SLR enthusiast, and at the same time, is easy to use even for a first time DSLR user. Positioned between the mainstream E-520 and the professional E-3 models, the new 12.3 megapixel E-30 incorporates the outstanding imaging quality and high-speed performance of the E-3, as well as sophisticated new features designed to expand the enthusiast photographer’s range of creative and artistic expression. Capturing the shot is fast and easy with the E-30’s direct and intuitive user interface, live preview of both exposure and white-balance, Perfect Shot Preview, Face Detection and Shadow Adjustment functions.  The E-30 is scheduled for release in Australia in January, 2009. Pricing is yet to be announced. The camera’s key features include: · Live pre-viewable Art Filters and convenient multi-exposure capability with image overlay and non-linear multi-exposure compositing for creative photography · High speed sensor-based autofocus for responsive Live View AF shooting · Choice of nine aspect ratios · Dual axis, variable-angle 2.7 inch HyperCrystal II LCD monitor · Newly developed 12.3 megapixel high speed Live MOS sensor, new TruePic III+ image processing engine, built in image stabilisation to 5EV * steps for outstanding image quality · High speed, 11-point full twin cross AF, 5 five frames per second (fps) continuous shooting, 1/8000 sec. maximum shutter speed, 1/250th flash synchronization speed, with Super FP mode flash capability Creative photography previously requiring the use of special lenses, optical filters, or the use of complex computer-based editing techniques, can now be easily achieved at the moment of capture. The “Art Filter†shooting mode in the E-30 provides real-time digital simulation of traditional film processing or optical filter effects that can be previewed in Live View, providing the photographer with a powerful tool for creative expression. The set of six “Art Filters†consist of a colour intensifying filter, a grainy black and white film filter, two filters that simulate soft lighting effects, a soft focus filter, and a pinhole camera effect filter. Multi-exposure film photography is often tedious and challenging, requiring careful pre-capture planning by the photographer and a rigid, linear process in execution. The E-30’s intuitive multi- exposure function simplifies multi-exposure photography by providing an overlay of a previous image onto a live preview of the current scene. A separate non-linear compositing function enables the photographer to combine previously captured raw pictures in playback review mode, providing the photographer with the flexibility to create multi-exposures of scenes that can be far separated in time and location, without the use of a computer and time-intensive editing software. With powerful software algorithms programmed into the camera, the E-30 makes highly detailed, multi-exposure photography very simple to achieve. The E-30 offers a choice of nine aspect ratios for image capture, including the popular wide-screen 16:9 and medium-format film 6:6 ratio formats. Live View photography with the High-Speed Imager AF enables auto-focusing with compact digital camera ease. The versatile flip-out variable-angle LCD screen makes both horizontal and vertically oriented Live View shooting easy displaying the live scene in the format chosen. A new digital level-gauge provides real-time display of camera pitch and roll, displaying information in the optical viewfinder, on the LCD screen in the Live View mode and on the top LCD display. This feature provides the convenience and accuracy of a mechanical bubble- level, only a button press away when required. The E-30 delivers the highest standard of image quality with a newly developed 12.3-megapixel, high-speed Live MOS Sensor and a new TruePic III+ image processing engine. With built-in image stabilisation that provides up to an outstanding 5EV* steps of shake- compensation, the E-30 offers image-stabilised photography across the entire range of Four Thirds System lenses, from ultra wide-angle to super-telephoto, as well as macro and fish-eye lenses. High-speed operational performance on par with the professional E-3 model is achieved with an 11-point AF sensor system featuring class- leading 11 point full twin-cross sensors with AF sensitivity as low as -2 EV*, 5 fps continuous shooting, and 1/8000 sec. maximum shutter speed. With a range of new, creative, Art Filters, newly developed high- speed Live MOS sensor and TruePic III+ image processor, renowned image stabilisation system and high speed AF, the new E-30 is the complete digital SLR camera for the photographer who challenges creative boundaries, while demanding superb image quality every time. For more detailed information please see the attached PDF or visit the Olympus website, www.olympus.com.au. #ENDS# Four Thirds System Standard Interchangeable Lens featuring high performance zoom with high speed imager AF: The Olympus ZUIKO DIGITAL 14-54mm f2.8-3.5 II (28-108mm equivalent) Olympus Imaging Corporation (President: Masaharu Okubo) today announced the launch of the new Pro series ZUIKO DIGITAL 14–54mm F2.8–3.5 II. This new high performance zoom lens with high speed imager AF functionality complies with the Four Thirds System standard. It is scheduled to go on sale in Australia from January 2009. Pricing is yet to be announced. Olympus ZUIKO DIGITAL lenses feature specially designed optics to maximise the performance potential of digital SLR image sensors. The new professional quality ZUIKO DIGITAL 14–54mm F2.8–3.5 II has been developed as a successor to the renowned Pro series ZUIKO DIGITAL 14–54mm F2.8–3.5 (introduced October, 2003) and features the same robust professional built quality and splash- and dust- proofing. Its versatile zoom range covers the popular 28-108mm film equivalent focal length useful for all-round photography from landscapes to portraiture, and delivers the high optical performance expected of professional grade lenses. The new ZUIKO DIGITAL 14–54mm F2.8–3.5 II features High-Speed Image-AF support and can be teamed with the new Olympus E-30 digital SLR camera for responsive AF Live View shooting, as well as the E-420 and E-520 models. A new circular aperture mechanism provides smooth imaging characteristics in the defocused parts of a photo, and a floating lens design with an internal focus mechanism offers excellent close- up shooting capabilities with a minimum close-focus distance of only 22 centimetres at all focal lengths. To ensure the best possible quality and precision, the ZUIKO DIGITAL 14-54mm F2.8-3.5 II will be manufactured at Olympus’ Tatsuno Plant (Kami-Ina, Nagano, Japan), which is equipped with the most advanced production technology. The Olympus ZUIKO DIGITAL 14-54mm F2.8-3.5 II up close 1. High-Speed Imager AF compatibility The ZUIKO DIGITAL 14–54mm F2.8–3.5 II supports the High-Speed Imager AF available in the Olympus E-30, E-520, and E-420 digital SLR cameras, enabling users to enjoy Live View shooting with the ease of a compact digital camera. With the new E-30, users can preview the results of Art Filter effects on the LCD monitor while enjoying the convenience of AF Live View shooting. 2. A full complement of features to support creative photography The ZUIKO DIGITAL 14–54mm F2.8–3.5 II is the versatile choice for a wide variety of photography, and is an ideal standard wide zoom lens for all-round photography. It provides convenient wide-angle capabilities, with telephoto power for close-ups and portraits. Circular aperture diaphragm A circular aperture mechanism maximises the smooth defocusing characteristics that are a key advantage of large-aperture lens design. The aperture mechanism is designed to offer a near-circular aperture at up to approximately two stops from full open. Closest focusing distance of 22 centimetres throughout the zoom range A floating lens design with an inner focus system is used for superb optical performance at near to far subject distances. Exhibiting minimal aberration even at extremely close focusing distances, the lens has a minimum focusing distance of just 22 centimetres at all focal lengths. Splash- and Dust-proof structure Exterior joints are sealed to provide a high level splash and dust- proofing required to withstand the rigours of hard professional use. 3. Dedicated digital design for high image quality A compact size, outstandingly high image quality, and F2.8 brightness are achieved by a lens design featuring three aspherical lens elements and four cemented lens elements. The ZUIKO DIGITAL 14–54mm F2.8–3.5 II is a professional grade lens that delivers optical sharpness and contrast, with minimal distortion for superior imaging performance over its entire zoom range. Lens coatings have also been optimised to minimise ghosting and flaring even on backlit shots taken with the sun in the frame. #ENDS# ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 08:35:06 2008 Received: (qmail 7811 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 07:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 07:35:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CA7C2FDD; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:34:55 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:34:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D7AC2EAC for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:34:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <17058722.30111225870971582.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-46-215.iburst.co.za ([41.213.46.215]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 215 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:42:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <4910BF40.2080401@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:34:46 +0200 References: <20252342.29961225799194599.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <17104768.29981225800378181.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <10430657.30051225823081785.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4910BF40.2080401@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 08:35:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49114caa85898512572685 Haha, touché Chuck, I didn't *quite* mean it like that :-) On 04 Nov 2008, at 11:31 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Ummm. Be sure to take the new wife along too. She'll appreciate > that. > Properly trained ones can also carry tripods and other essential > gear. > But I have to admit that I'm not a very good trainer. > > > Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> >> When I get married and go on honeymoon in February, you can be sure I >> will be taking my OM-1. And nothing else. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 09:23:28 2008 Received: (qmail 9189 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 08:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 08:23:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3C1C3203; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:23:17 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:23:17 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441E7C37FA for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:23:16 +0100 (CET) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2842933wah.1 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:23:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=ZhSBDrLHRLrQNICiFcHRDw+CKeQMEMGtw5/nk2BuG5Q=; b=iCFQosPckuF/ixf2bwah4uhF6XSgEpr9XU8/Y5qQX95PVSLy7RBjjde9moKHZvcUEf 5T84DacbYHJ4QpxPCU3NHzG104Kbtd157a7OFSPbfF1QYI82iE+D7/E14u6cC7xg2o/b C6gwNKVPxXuvCpcUsiOowMDaJn73R3Kfyfw1I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=pOqzJihlz8jUuClsRnmnPr0V6c4Y1i6U/ycPQ2z8fCYPnHYUv1EK/d52Egn1fmXzd6 29LYRWpV5HxSw3sum4K+zPpgfCsox4CEywtRa5Hhufy60AChGCBegPbM1YLAfV/MY99n /T9BFJmcrJaQ6K0/NUCajQVH0ygxhG2RGOhaQ= Received: by 10.114.159.17 with SMTP id h17mr416642wae.227.1225873395300; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:23:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840811050023l799ab5a7l2a6692df176aa0fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:23:15 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express In-Reply-To: <4910EC89.4050102@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <490F25E1.2090506@jevb.tuffmail.com> <783C46E9-FA73-4F01-9746-BA99BFE8275B@people.net.au> <490F781D.9080609@gmail.com> <32A88FAE-0CE0-4F4B-95EE-5D675D6DFBA3@people.net.au> <4910EC89.4050102@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c8135831d6e7e43c X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 09:23:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49115800124829347015869 It might up your credit rating but what the card issuer wants is someone who racks up interest. My neighbour had his 'automatic' card renewal canceled and when he complained that he always clears his balance they said 'exactly, we can't make any money out of you - bye' Jez On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Moose wrote: > > > I virtually never pay cash when I can use a card, but always pay the > whole outstanding balance on each statement. I suppose that ups the > credit score? > > Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 09:39:00 2008 Received: (qmail 21615 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 08:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 08:38:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FFB0C3792; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:38:49 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:38:49 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54214C368E for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:38:48 +0100 (CET) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2848704wah.1 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:38:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=HUsZmfI2HFkOiht4WNKoBS2fTfs2nsHgg9uT2S7tLFA=; b=YMso0glm6kOfnWsKF9DMEZBrYE1C1iugTibIEHpmTiXn26BWVP2w4ExmLAiwqP8a6D WVDLno0TKolKgW8aPV5+pobQCSISGE/DYwqYpijff23OAo9nx4yiWYlUzKfBvUP/SehJ ZmVVtgXqVCTox+TE0i1o50qmD9FO/TumJzE+0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=tGkFBVIptwBSqvapf3HD/UvvmR/BnOH/7U97crvN3JNPCRKp55WGJxPM9RItNUYyIN yDCmoQEho513j2Zo+gMRI6j0IOM9U7lJnpJPi7wbjJmDFvXqzvz+CObje7Loxrt3VLaY Ojkp3nBSz33uzvoHwUXRcr8AjgF+DTl2RIdMs= Received: by 10.114.241.15 with SMTP id o15mr437821wah.164.1225874327564; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:38:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:38:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:38:47 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Scanner Was: Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Google-Sender-Auth: 14f2ce91a89d445f X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 09:39:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49115ba4213442336821329 Iwert, If you really could use a scanner... I've got a Acer Scanwit 2720S film scanner sitting here in its box since a couple of years. Second-hand value is nominal (the film holders are probably worth more as spares than the scanner!) - if you can make any use of it, it's yours for those 2 eurocents - drop by and collect it anytime. Note that it's scsi (but a PC card is included) - or do Macs still have scsi? cheers jez ps - I still intend to invite you and your family over to our new house in Leefdaal - summer just flashed by (and the DIY/DHZ work kept us busy!) On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:24 PM, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > But a few times a year I get out the 3Ti, or Pen D2 or 4T or 2n or Isolette > and feel very comfortable and at home. However with the E-3 on MF with the > 100f2 I can feel perfectly good as well, and over time I have learned to > appreciate the 12-60 very much as well. I'ld love a good scanner as well, > but even a used V ED goes for over 500 euro here :( > > Just my 2 eurocents... > > Iwert > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 09:54:14 2008 Received: (qmail 8854 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 08:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 08:54:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5A7C3485; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:54:03 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:54:03 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBE9C3053 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:54:02 +0100 (CET) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2854242wah.1 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:54:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=q1FSgAiSNU8P5uF1bXBDATa/mrlN/fdyhPUhiSS8s5A=; b=SvaTORwPsvtrCFuRPiZuVZM2aO/7zAgCSRUntC8hOeeQwF1fAgNXmXK9LLCPqVDHV3 4vhWzF2C+IQIYd12TliLZWvpDrvc44neUBgEE+AkC1Em3gYpjE7AiQYF4zzbYG6WF2nS bgJuUze9RXDszAAjYYAAevBMDDtI0IJwQAvLA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kJgNR1ko/msWJOBlbrF5o1rOwVYZxzOCz/jQgBgI6HHCT3ZF8hW9ZA5jRIoc20mLYZ 9qqLT6eb4a3RT/E+O1Hz1PJJLyXbCyeeIU6wXv+TVO0ziV0szxXFBs2kNw11k339GH4w WQ9q2aVfPmOX6FYvmFEsrBPsaM32692QVw3qM= Received: by 10.114.171.1 with SMTP id t1mr453346wae.120.1225875241301; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-189-181.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.189.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t1sm19279754poh.16.2008.11.05.00.53.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:54:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49115F25.4020300@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:53:57 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better References: <200811050153.mA51rtLG008087@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200811050153.mA51rtLG008087@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 09:54:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49115f36324951257536491 Wayne Harridge wrote: > When you write "scallopes", do you really mean "scallops" or "potato > cakes" ? I feel "scallops" is more honest, even if more confusing, considering the ratio of potato to batter. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 10:30:47 2008 Received: (qmail 20530 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 09:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 09:30:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E123EC2990; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:30:35 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:30:35 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 6517DC2883 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:30:34 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 3148 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 09:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 09:30:31 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <1C061B10-F2E4-42D1-9224-BE1C610DD3C2@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Scanner Was: Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:30:27 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 10:30:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491167c754611023412894 New Macs don't even have Firewire! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2008, at 7:38 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > Note that it's scsi (but a PC card is included) - or do Macs still > have > scsi? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 10:33:02 2008 Received: (qmail 16708 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 09:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 09:33:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B456EC3119; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:32:50 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:32:50 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 2746FC2F98 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:32:49 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 3530 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 09:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 09:32:46 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49115F25.4020300@gmail.com> References: <200811050153.mA51rtLG008087@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <49115F25.4020300@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:32:42 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 10:33:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911684e56311234514069 He wants to know if you're talking about the shellfish of that name - in some places you'd get one of those deep fried in batter (rather than a very thin slice of potato). Of course, a potato cake is something else again! And honesty has nothing to do with it. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2008, at 7:53 PM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: >> When you write "scallopes", do you really mean "scallops" or "potato >> cakes" ? > > I feel "scallops" is more honest, even if more confusing, considering > the ratio of potato to batter. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 10:36:23 2008 Received: (qmail 26782 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 09:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 09:36:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45CCC2EA3; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:36:11 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:36:11 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CB1C33A3 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:36:10 +0100 (CET) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2871758wah.1 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:36:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=G3doQj8Btp9m88b14VFJ2HdzRY9pbtm0/SVvP9K/5y4=; b=cQB8nu5jk/i7dqfPjOJI5+nKeu0ooSDgHYYqO4uVKtW7+Ah1NduEtHmW6XclNt735N xVp7RAGpYgO9oXsWJh7xz6WDgiVetLrtg/y1ziZldiWieRptVKF/XZsbmgjUBf4Q9dG9 eU//T4XJ7GMRCIKMCKNhoajxYI6tmGUmQ854E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=d+j6THrCfTMWBJDK2IUgEwvxPPoNe31HIAQVk0JbEpRvehLmHQSgOWC5TYuWF8DZxB volMIG75eDUnChnwtkP+5M8hHuBVnvJ+JNKGC9OD2ipb9GWS3irI9gEvN4nxgzFGCoF6 qckDoCRbkmBJZTTpu1hLcdEBbSiAFPNqxowus= Received: by 10.115.16.1 with SMTP id t1mr488304wai.49.1225877770173; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:36:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:36:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840811050136m5e14c8b0h6bc2bee62931b3a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:36:10 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scanner Was: Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye In-Reply-To: <1C061B10-F2E4-42D1-9224-BE1C610DD3C2@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> <1C061B10-F2E4-42D1-9224-BE1C610DD3C2@people.net.au> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 21b1c0f6fbb54e6e X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 10:36:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911691741418512572685 Strange world - my PC has firewire (even though it means Dell had to pay Apple the royalty) Jez On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > New Macs don't even have Firewire! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 05/11/2008, at 7:38 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > > Note that it's scsi (but a PC card is included) - or do Macs still > > have > > scsi? 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(124-171-189-181.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.189.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm19874085wfc.5.2008.11.05.01.54.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:54:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49116D6A.4070502@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:54:50 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Fish n Chips - life doesn't get better References: <200811050153.mA51rtLG008087@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <49115F25.4020300@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 10:55:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49116d7e150971342116753 Andrew Fildes wrote: > He wants to know if you're talking about the shellfish of that name - > in some places you'd get one of those deep fried in batter (rather > than a very thin slice of potato). > Of course, a potato cake is something else again! > And honesty has nothing to do with it. Okay, then...well, I guess I answered him anyway. Marc ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 11:05:22 2008 Received: (qmail 29173 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 10:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 10:05:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D539C2D7E; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:05:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:05:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D27C2B4E for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:04:57 +0100 (CET) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so2942886fge.11 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:04:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=+J2fx+i25WCBPJ4k52NGcGwIkitphitO5trPV8Z8YuM=; b=H2ZwvePKrwlULaVHh+mdsPtAT7/YZLYIU1bI33xEy0RNGpxC1ATp5sijGufx0+CsPD UaCl5os2bVqrJwKWJ97ML+7BF3G8adJgTPKdJjqmEqGQ+6qJnYLTK5im8CVJ/OvhRCRi JOvLwLhlBWdZoTWPEGdS0C05dabEzI0sq26I8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=oOP2zglia3p8grodvHi9V5Ei8511yEYpMXP8jSAYY4FUF9iu+UixSClClDdG9vqu+l sVXXIuN4NqpNUuPWNeuSmbkz9D3ShSRIPuv97Nyk3vUSehKoznkwRk+etaToX4KLzM0o 6KGdKOI+ITQmVMK/AYcGfmVJTrzrmQ5ZyBW5A= Received: by 10.187.224.11 with SMTP id b11mr113500far.81.1225879496832; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:04:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.187.249.8 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:04:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:04:56 +0100 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scanner Was: Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikooh@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 11:05:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49116fe254722336821329 Many thanks for the offer, Jez... but all my SCSI options have dissappeared.I had a scsi-card for my ald pismo powerbook, but our Macbookpro's only offer Firewire (with which I'm very happy). And I'ld be very happy to visit your new house... ours is a work in progress as well :) Iwert 2008/11/5 Jez Cunningham > > Iwert, > If you really could use a scanner... > > I've got a Acer Scanwit 2720S film scanner sitting here in its box since a > couple of years. Second-hand value is nominal (the film holders are > probably worth more as spares than the scanner!) - if you can make any use > of it, it's yours for those 2 eurocents - drop by and collect it anytime. > > Note that it's scsi (but a PC card is included) - or do Macs still have > scsi? > > cheers > jez > > ps - I still intend to invite you and your family over to our new house in > Leefdaal - summer just flashed by (and the DIY/DHZ work kept us busy!) > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:24 PM, iwert bernakiewicz >wrote: > > > But a few times a year I get out the 3Ti, or Pen D2 or 4T or 2n or > Isolette > > and feel very comfortable and at home. However with the E-3 on MF with > the > > 100f2 I can feel perfectly good as well, and over time I have learned to > > appreciate the 12-60 very much as well. I'ld love a good scanner as well, > > but even a used V ED goes for over 500 euro here :( > > > > Just my 2 eurocents... > > > > Iwert > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 11:31:58 2008 Received: (qmail 25615 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 10:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 10:31:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7442DC3767; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:31:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:31:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E10C3C08 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:31:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <2885544.30211225881582483.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-46-215.iburst.co.za ([41.213.46.215]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 167 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:39:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <1C061B10-F2E4-42D1-9224-BE1C610DD3C2@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Scanner Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:31:36 +0200 References: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> <1C061B10-F2E4-42D1-9224-BE1C610DD3C2@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 11:31:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911761e228391946193717 I am guessing you are being facetious, because that is not quit true - only the new lower-end laptops no longer offer firewire, all the others do. In anyway, you can purchase a separate SCSI adaptor which plugs into your USB or Firewire port, so not having built-in SCASI is not a problem. Just make sure you get the "flavour" of SCSI right - SCSI-II, Ultra SCSI, Ultra Wide SCSI, SCSI 320 ... On 05 Nov 2008, at 11:30 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > New Macs don't even have Firewire! > > On 05/11/2008, at 7:38 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > >> Note that it's scsi (but a PC card is included) - or do Macs still >> have >> scsi? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 12:54:52 2008 Received: (qmail 27555 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 11:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 11:54:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E481EC3927; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:54:39 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:54:39 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4AFC40CC for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:53:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6101.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 439501C00082 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:53:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6101.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 013481C00081 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:53:28 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081105115329504.013481C00081@mwinf6101.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:53:27 +0100 Message-ID: <2974B4C9A4B34AF9A4A5CD4FD036849F@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <883B97A173524AF1B0E3A9D163E8679C@meo.dec.com> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 12:54:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911898c41738512572685 Finally took the photo of my workspace. Maybe not the biggest mess, but definitely not the tidiest either ;-)) http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/sizes/o/ When you click "Back to the Flickr photo page" at the top of the page you will find a smaller photo which contains a lot of notes. Wiliam ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 13:03:37 2008 Received: (qmail 3419 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 12:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 12:03:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F255CC36B3; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:03:25 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:03:25 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA4AC37F2 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:03:24 +0100 (CET) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2927742wah.1 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:03:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=bquXNB8q+YD/IVNyaq37+TBQPbibxa9YUNO/S+x9adI=; b=K3OkAvbIUodcZuMGsDucibV0CVAUpZ44aypGgSk6f+mizpbe5U3u3CIcXRk4Ni7uX5 PiOK0/TQh21nXngZ37uFGMAXtgqfzfpKvNDEZXPjfQgbiCqenu7ABs82McpRsOOJsK/d 5FlsxPzBehFhNEPzyibjuCe+NyiTSGKQ5j5mM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=YQsvWrWckfn+zYsqfZEzWkpooqiV218n5uGASuu/gBuPjv+Zd+lWZYkuoCI204c3XZ V4r/CgGBj2duVmgJChOW2LIL7R2wRlVPqYE6ntacxHEGgC8sxGUclJ3JjjO0OKccy3jo iwQ/QZTBUZGnPFoWdqNpRBWs8JXI9Xul9+9IA= Received: by 10.115.22.1 with SMTP id z1mr570747wai.99.1225886603429; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:03:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:03:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840811050403n453c47e8h845c4ba2a0a89540@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:03:23 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: <2974B4C9A4B34AF9A4A5CD4FD036849F@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <883B97A173524AF1B0E3A9D163E8679C@meo.dec.com> <2974B4C9A4B34AF9A4A5CD4FD036849F@Breedbeeld> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bc4698f4aa43b01b X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 13:03:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49118b99175921744846740 Hmm. Well I tried Wiliam, but first Flickr/Yahoo makes you sign in. I dusted off my olf Yahoo userid... Then it told me your picture was private anyway :-( It must be a real mess! br jez On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > > Finally took the photo of my workspace. Maybe not the biggest mess, but > definitely not the tidiest either ;-)) > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/sizes/o/ > > When you click "Back to the Flickr photo page" at the top of the page > you will find a smaller photo which contains a lot of notes. > > Wiliam ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 13:13:04 2008 Received: (qmail 28327 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 12:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 12:13:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0538BC3AC7; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:12:52 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:12:51 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230A6C3945 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:12:51 +0100 (CET) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so4167320fka.1 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:12:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ynmv7oabSW0z/FjG0iAmsQl4nYF7RzTtDuHbJuf8eAs=; b=VzU48rmSeL0tCuUcCDDibOnt1n1NNVmfQfU1KfJTzTfRyKN0qC6bz2mVvvns6uzDBS FoOKrnoiEo7B5oW5KYaQVgjvmFNQ7MjQO99e1tmpKmYXGVTMKd5ORFtsyv3WT4VZ1Ct+ rhvSpWgfiRo9m5jqMUKP4n31zCsjRA/ZMFrs8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=W0xTluK92UKiSb+U9DeUTl7Zo1CU/bCtP7GxkAseZlMYvXn8rpKxwyyY/lWy3KhvWG E+fKnhbPLYpR1HmBSersaUndc+NS0LIH8HB6DzUpUK2pnbpR294k+oLufSvbM2Jauc3y XIFEKxDdHIPQBwsNXNrWp0bYAzoxnkM8LIjIQ= Received: by 10.187.196.3 with SMTP id y3mr155311fap.55.1225887170907; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:12:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.187.249.8 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:12:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:12:50 +0100 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scanner In-Reply-To: <2885544.30211225881582483.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> <1C061B10-F2E4-42D1-9224-BE1C610DD3C2@people.net.au> <2885544.30211225881582483.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikooh@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 13:13:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49118dd036494673671140 I didn't know about these adapters yet, so I'll have to source one and give Jez's offer a try! Iwert 2008/11/5 Dawid Loubser > > I am guessing you are being facetious, because that is not quit > true - only the new lower-end laptops no longer offer firewire, all > the others do. > > In anyway, you can purchase a separate SCSI adaptor which plugs into > your > USB or Firewire port, so not having built-in SCASI is not a problem. > Just > make sure you get the "flavour" of SCSI right - SCSI-II, Ultra SCSI, > Ultra Wide SCSI, SCSI 320 ... > > On 05 Nov 2008, at 11:30 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > > > New Macs don't even have Firewire! > > > > On 05/11/2008, at 7:38 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > > >> Note that it's scsi (but a PC card is included) - or do Macs still > >> have > >> scsi? > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 13:41:50 2008 Received: (qmail 22594 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 12:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 12:41:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50E4C3DCC; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:41:37 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:41:37 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8220AC374E for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:41:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 05 Nov 2008 23:41:31 +1100 Message-ID: <100-7a941149-23863.002@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:41:30 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <2974B4C9A4B34AF9A4A5CD4FD036849F@Breedbeeld> References: <883B97A173524AF1B0E3A9D163E8679C@meo.dec.com> <2974B4C9A4B34AF9A4A5CD4FD036849F@Breedbeeld> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 13:41:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911948e97171023412894 Hi Wiliam, > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/sizes/o/ Yahoo no work for me.... Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ A closed mouth gathers no foot. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 13:48:15 2008 Received: (qmail 30481 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 12:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 12:48:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD62C3FDC; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:48:03 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:48:03 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F32FC4095 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:48:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6109.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7868D7000086 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:48:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6109.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4112C7000084 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:48:01 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081105124801266.4112C7000084@mwinf6109.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:47:59 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840811050403n453c47e8h845c4ba2a0a89540@mail.gmail.com> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 13:48:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911960f224311234514069 Hi all, Sorry for the mishap. Apperently more than the front page of Flickr has changed over the last few months. I will reconsider my subscription for next year. I am considering building my own website and transferring images there. I signed off and trioed going there and had thes same problem as you and Iwert. Seems deep linking is no longer allowed. You can find the photo in smalle format without the possibility to see other sizes here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/ Hope this helps, please let me know. > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: jez.cunningham@gmail.com > [mailto:jez.cunningham@gmail.com] Namens Jez Cunningham > Verzonden: woensdag 5 november 2008 13:03 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > > > Hmm. > Well I tried Wiliam, but first Flickr/Yahoo makes you sign > in. I dusted off my olf Yahoo userid... Then it told me your > picture was private anyway :-( It must be a real mess! br jez > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar > wrote: > > > > > Finally took the photo of my workspace. Maybe not the biggest mess, > > but definitely not the tidiest either ;-)) > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/sizes/o/ > > > > When you click "Back to the Flickr photo page" at the top > of the page > > you will find a smaller photo which contains a lot of notes. > > > > Wiliam > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 13:48:42 2008 Received: (qmail 18576 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 12:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 12:48:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDD3C3CB7; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:48:31 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:48:31 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB58C2CA4 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:48:30 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 8956 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 12:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 12:48:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4911961D.3060504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:48:29 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder References: <200811050151.mA51pbXg031091@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4910FFFA.2070907@chucknorcutt.com> <7FED0663-E085-45DD-BB08-83B65D9788DF@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <7FED0663-E085-45DD-BB08-83B65D9788DF@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 13:48:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911962a238291023412894 Thanks, I hadn't realized it existed. I just ordered one. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Are you using the eyepiece magnifier? (EX15?) > I use them to get my nose off the screen. (Left-eyed). > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 05/11/2008, at 1:07 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> I just tried the new specs with the 5D and I can see the full frame >> (but >> I don't like it). I'll have to check further and more cameras >> tomorrow. >> I need a rubber eyecup which I lost on the trip. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 13:51:09 2008 Received: (qmail 673 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 12:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 12:51:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C0BC3384; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:50:48 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:50:48 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD78C2B9C for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:50:43 +0100 (CET) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2947180wah.1 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:50:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=bwWJ7LyuzczvSCeMoiUDNkuOJGXGx/M7hPxkxhGKP/A=; b=OqblKsAiWC1jU+d5KV4mZGINAEncOGLzFgN0Cb37WL54obtP0FrB5safuzLhO1283H bnKq12RCcxQO5CEm20MCqctPWnl/CvN6Hm5RSeEGlXgTqN0OUeAg59mqJQTwaDaQcBpv uYyEMywKA2veT8RqGzDiHsZpC2ra7RVCXezQc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=vwJRRx+f2Sichbkf4YsaTcjzjsGfo4KrMATJShXdFwoCmAk06V70P/E4U+7tIk6jPp yR7oNX4NTzPAig4bj87GQHay11VjYZfh2MaNrklnVWEKh0kNWpY+FuX7W3Qir3L0XuZf 1Qbd5cHsqWC3VgqfRIuBUtqP5+829FfIbmouk= Received: by 10.114.147.7 with SMTP id u7mr594987wad.145.1225889442984; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:50:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840811050450u12c37426rd20e36c36f9f9984@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:50:42 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scanner In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> <1C061B10-F2E4-42D1-9224-BE1C610DD3C2@people.net.au> <2885544.30211225881582483.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 06316e514d706a7f X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 13:51:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491196bd164037927319144 Chuck has a lot of experience with this scanner and is a fount of knowledge (see Yahoo 2720 forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/2720/ where he single-handedly answers almost all postings!) But people have had various degrees of success getting USB or PCMCIA ->SCSI adaptors to work... br jez On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:12 PM, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > > I didn't know about these adapters yet, so I'll have to source one and give > Jez's offer a try! > Iwert > > 2008/11/5 Dawid Loubser > > > > > I am guessing you are being facetious, because that is not quit > > true - only the new lower-end laptops no longer offer firewire, all > > the others do. > > > > In anyway, you can purchase a separate SCSI adaptor which plugs into > > your > > USB or Firewire port, so not having built-in SCASI is not a problem. > > Just > > make sure you get the "flavour" of SCSI right - SCSI-II, Ultra SCSI, > > Ultra Wide SCSI, SCSI 320 ... > > > > On 05 Nov 2008, at 11:30 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > > > > > New Macs don't even have Firewire! > > > > > > On 05/11/2008, at 7:38 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > > > > >> Note that it's scsi (but a PC card is included) - or do Macs still > > >> have > > >> scsi? > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 13:52:25 2008 Received: (qmail 23729 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 12:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 12:52:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24613C2879; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:52:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:52:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28561C2AD9 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:52:13 +0100 (CET) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2947812wah.1 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:52:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=OHf8f6WZweKIO2Y4iblTv+ZzU0Tdf7yCf9eyrnGb8Qo=; b=XwU4n7sYewzJdfzGVlOqFebjBF6DaDDxpYE1+FmUMSRaeQCT1mmjTrMkiylrRlfb7v mO4PGqo5jIPlBgUFsY5V3QKLptO6oXFO0CH9Y0iMPZIUsJXW0CaULm4IR59q2naYS9zF P3mf6IgpP5XRB8CNVH8yPWNmd4QrY1N6WsG/w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Y7JwExYNip/cVGv34ehIQ4fRtTZHplqB1mFWhRvWcYKG0S8NeyCy/NOrdPV7yX185c 6tUeb8Y+I/wT+5UuAU1/phVvJTB7idCbKST85Cdhj8vg10GvD9hlS67uWvTX2568NQNK UxY3sK8YM/qE5nJvS85dgjykZI3hIUUXMLexI= Received: by 10.115.47.1 with SMTP id z1mr606461waj.81.1225889532199; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:52:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840811050452o1251a013s263f264d0e249d26@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:52:12 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840811050403n453c47e8h845c4ba2a0a89540@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9d6d6612f20735fe X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 13:52:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49119709254001744846740 Yet another furry seat cushion. Seems they appreciate this kind of environment jez On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > > Hi all, > > Sorry for the mishap. Apperently more than the front page of Flickr has > changed over the last few months. I will reconsider my subscription for > next year. I am considering building my own website and transferring > images there. I signed off and trioed going there and had thes same > problem as you and Iwert. Seems deep linking is no longer allowed. You > can find the photo in smalle format without the possibility to see other > sizes here: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/ > > Hope this helps, please let me know. > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: jez.cunningham@gmail.com > > [mailto:jez.cunningham@gmail.com] Namens Jez Cunningham > > Verzonden: woensdag 5 november 2008 13:03 > > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > > > > > > > Hmm. > > Well I tried Wiliam, but first Flickr/Yahoo makes you sign > > in. I dusted off my olf Yahoo userid... Then it told me your > > picture was private anyway :-( It must be a real mess! br jez > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Finally took the photo of my workspace. Maybe not the biggest mess, > > > but definitely not the tidiest either ;-)) > > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/sizes/o/ > > > > > > When you click "Back to the Flickr photo page" at the top > > of the page > > > you will find a smaller photo which contains a lot of notes. > > > > > > Wiliam > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 13:54:47 2008 Received: (qmail 22541 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 12:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 12:54:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D43C2D32; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:54:35 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:54:35 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22925C2B9C for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:54:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <13717401.30291225890150226.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-46-215.iburst.co.za ([41.213.46.215]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 118 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:02:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840811050450u12c37426rd20e36c36f9f9984@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Scanner Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:54:17 +0200 References: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> <1C061B10-F2E4-42D1-9224-BE1C610DD3C2@people.net.au> <2885544.30211225881582483.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <9f07ac840811050450u12c37426rd20e36c36f9f9984@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 13:54:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911979785331023412894 Yup - indeed, because of the aforementioned "flavours" of SCSI - you have to match the type of adaptor with the type of device, it's not as simple as with the more one-size-fits-all USB or Firewire. On 05 Nov 2008, at 2:50 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > But people have had various degrees of success getting USB or PCMCIA > ->SCSI > adaptors to work.. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 14:09:36 2008 Received: (qmail 17943 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 13:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 13:09:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62FCC3D83; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:09:20 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:09:19 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6517FC4169 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:07:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9V00J0733ND1G1@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:06:59 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-127.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.127]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:22:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:06:59 -0400 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] 5 November .. 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([82.132.136.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f6sm51189895nfh.12.2008.11.05.05.09.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:09:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: My Gmail To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5F136) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5F136) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:09:46 +0000 References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 14:10:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49119b2e216121499373980 I think it might be some other problem-I'm signed on and it won't show me either... Tom Sent from my iPhone On 5 Nov 2008, at 12:47, "Wiliam Wagenaar" wrote: > > Hi all, > > Sorry for the mishap. Apperently more than the front page of Flickr > has > changed over the last few months. I will reconsider my subscription > for > next year. I am considering building my own website and transferring > images there. I signed off and trioed going there and had thes same > problem as you and Iwert. Seems deep linking is no longer allowed. You > can find the photo in smalle format without the possibility to see > other > sizes here: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/ > > Hope this helps, please let me know. > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: jez.cunningham@gmail.com >> [mailto:jez.cunningham@gmail.com] Namens Jez Cunningham >> Verzonden: woensdag 5 november 2008 13:03 >> Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Onderwerp: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom >> >> >> >> Hmm. >> Well I tried Wiliam, but first Flickr/Yahoo makes you sign >> in. I dusted off my olf Yahoo userid... Then it told me your >> picture was private anyway :-( It must be a real mess! br jez >> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Finally took the photo of my workspace. Maybe not the biggest mess, >>> but definitely not the tidiest either ;-)) >>> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/sizes/o/ >>> >>> When you click "Back to the Flickr photo page" at the top >> of the page >>> you will find a smaller photo which contains a lot of notes. >>> >>> Wiliam >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 14:16:46 2008 Received: (qmail 12677 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 13:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 13:16:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64DCC38CB; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:16:34 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:16:34 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22272C2D0B for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:16:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 06 Nov 2008 00:16:28 +1100 Message-ID: <100-ab9c1149-36193.004@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:16:27 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9f07ac840811050403n453c47e8h845c4ba2a0a89540@mail.gmail.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 14:16:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49119cbe242961838542571 Hi Wiliam, > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/ > > Hope this helps, please let me know. Yep, I'm in :-) Ordered mini chaos :o) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not "Eureka!", but "That's funny..." - Isaac Asimov ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 14:16:56 2008 Received: (qmail 29597 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 13:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 13:16:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D56EC2C66; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:16:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:16:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5876C3944 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:16:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9V000XR3JIG3NB@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:16:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:16:42 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Best focusing screen for low-light / shallow DOF In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <49119CBA.30307@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <19202373.29501225724603619.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 14:16:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49119cc8133751234514069 Exactly. 1 series screens don't have an adverse affect on manual meter readings. To refresh my memory regarding series 2 screen metering, I checked my OM-2 that's been calibrated to the 2 screen (with a 50/1.8). With a 35mm lens, meter overexposes 1/4 to 1/3 stop, 24mm overexposes about 1/2 stop. I think telephotos introduce underexposure. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Ken Norton wrote: > The 1-4 or 2-4 screen would probably be the best choice. (I'm assuming OM > body). > > The 1-series is darker and coarser. However, with wide-angles, it is also > more accurate. There are a couple of lenses which will not easily focus on > a 2-series screen, such as the 35/2. I struggle with the 35/2.8 and > 24/2.8. The Tokina AT-X 35-70/2.8 was also extremely difficult to focus on > a 2-series screen. The bokeh characteristics of the 1-series are MUCH more > accurate to what is captured on the film. > > My OMs have 2-13 and 2-4 screens installed. The 2-series screens are so > bright that the "matte" area is essentially the same brightness as the > center split-image/microprism area. > >>From an artistic perspective, I prefer the 1-4 screen the most. But for > usability, the 2-4 is much much better. However, for speedy operation (I > use my cameras to photograph people activities too), the 2-13 is king. > > In the 2S, 3, 4, 3Ti, 4Ti, any screen works fine with no exposure > compensation necessary as the metering is totally done within the mirror > box. > > AG-Schnozz > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 14:35:47 2008 Received: (qmail 13331 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 13:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 13:35:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA69AC2DB8; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:35:35 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:35:35 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D22C2FA3 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:35:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9V006914FA3VT7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:35:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:35:46 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Best focusing screen for low-light / shallow DOF In-reply-to: <8CB0BF491065526-548-A7D@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <4911A132.7040602@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <8CB0BF491065526-548-A7D@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 14:35:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911a133171021702588592 It shooting print film, the 1/3 - 1/2 stop error introduced either way will be of little consequence. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html usher99@aol.com wrote: > Hi Dawid, I doubt a universal calibration is possible---can do it for > a? given focal length.? John will know how far it is off as a f(focal > length)?.? OTF metering in "auto" ?on a 2 or 2N in auto, I would > think would be fine (as well as a 4 of course? w/o adjustment). > > Mike > > > http://lists.tako.de/Olympus-OM/2007-07/msg01538.html > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 14:55:34 2008 Received: (qmail 26469 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 13:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 13:55:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924B5C2FC6; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:55:21 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:55:21 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E215CC347E for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:55:20 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 19418 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 13:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 13:55:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4911A5C6.2070307@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:55:18 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 References: <4910B5BE.4040600@blueyonder.co.uk> <877797B3-9E70-47A5-8188-2EAC9A833DAB@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <877797B3-9E70-47A5-8188-2EAC9A833DAB@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 14:55:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911a5d6263021234514069 What's next? Built-in PhotoShop Elements? Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Olympus Launches New Enthusiast Digital SLR: The E-30 > live preview of both exposure and white-balance, Perfect > Shot Preview, Face Detection and Shadow Adjustment functions. > Live pre-viewable Art Filters and convenient multi-exposure > capability with image overlay and non-linear multi-exposure > compositing for creative photography > Choice of nine aspect ratios > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 15:04:06 2008 Received: (qmail 27017 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 14:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 14:04:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE136C4153; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:03:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:03:54 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out3.tiscali.nl (smtp-out3.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E2FC4154 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:03:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out3.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1KxizC-0008R6-FI for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:03:54 +0100 From: Frank@vanLindert.nl To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:03:51 +0100 Message-ID: References: <9f07ac840811050403n453c47e8h845c4ba2a0a89540@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Frank@vanLindert.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 15:04:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911a7d647751993019900 Wiliam, I just wonder what would have been the bigger effort: adding all those notes to that picture, or tidying up the room ;-) Of course the right answer would be that _composing_ the picture (IOW creating the mess) is what gives ultimate satisfaction to the real photographer... Same applies for all those other junk yards showing up in the last few days. Not that mine looks any different... I also wonder if woman photographer workspaces would have been much more ...eh... eh... organized is the word I was looking for. Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:47:59 +0100, "Wiliam Wagenaar" wrote: >http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/ > >Hope this helps, please let me know. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 15:06:14 2008 Received: (qmail 6644 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 14:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 14:06:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A150DC3145; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:05:50 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:05:50 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E4DC34D4 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:05:49 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 26588 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 14:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 14:05:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4911A83C.8010903@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:05:48 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express References: <3F1A6A41-B7B1-4356-81AE-61F463CBE231@roadrunner.com> <490B2722.6080205@chucknorcutt.com> <490EFB95.2030402@verizon.net> <490F25E1.2090506@jevb.tuffmail.com> <783C46E9-FA73-4F01-9746-BA99BFE8275B@people.net.au> <490F781D.9080609@gmail.com> <32A88FAE-0CE0-4F4B-95EE-5D675D6DFBA3@people.net.au> <4910EC89.4050102@gmail.com> <9f07ac840811050023l799ab5a7l2a6692df176aa0fd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840811050023l799ab5a7l2a6692df176aa0fd@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 15:06:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911a856191751993019900 I also clear my balance every month and have been doing so for almost 40 years. But my card issuer (and bank), the IBM credit union, makes plenty of money off me in other ways. They know they would be ill-advised to try diddling with the terms of that credit card. Chuck Norcutt Jez Cunningham wrote: > It might up your credit rating but what the card issuer wants is someone who > racks up interest. > My neighbour had his 'automatic' card renewal canceled and when he > complained that he always clears his balance they said 'exactly, we can't > make any money out of you - bye' > Jez > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Moose wrote: > >> >> I virtually never pay cash when I can use a card, but always pay the >> whole outstanding balance on each statement. I suppose that ups the >> credit score? >> >> Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 15:07:12 2008 Received: (qmail 13491 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 14:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 14:07:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0860EC2FBE; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:07:01 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:07:00 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (mail.bbp.ch [193.73.134.71]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85CEC281E for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:07:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from ronald.localdomain (unverified) by mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:07:08 +0100 Received: from ianwmac.local (unknown [172.22.111.60]) by ronald.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255A65D04 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:07:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4911A884.4030209@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:07:00 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scanner References: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> <1C061B10-F2E4-42D1-9224-BE1C610DD3C2@people.net.au> <2885544.30211225881582483.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <9f07ac840811050450u12c37426rd20e36c36f9f9984@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840811050450u12c37426rd20e36c36f9f9984@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 15:07:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911a89068862070262475 I have used one of these usb to scsi adapters sucessfully with my expensive but crappy canon 2700F (not to be confused with the 2710F). I think the scsi id of the device is critical and not documented - it should be set to zero if I remember correctly (or was it 1) otherwise it doesn't work, one of those things that easy when you know but if you don't you can spend hours fiddling - don't ask me how I know. spater IanW Jez Cunningham wrote: > Chuck has a lot of experience with this scanner and is a fount of knowledge > (see Yahoo 2720 forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/2720/ where he > single-handedly answers almost all postings!) > But people have had various degrees of success getting USB or PCMCIA ->SCSI > adaptors to work... > br > jez > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:12 PM, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > -- Iechyd da IanW ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 15:13:10 2008 Received: (qmail 15000 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 14:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 14:13:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11AA8C2C93; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:12:58 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:12:57 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90BEC34BB for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:12:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 5277202FHE for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:12:53 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:12:39 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2974B4C9A4B34AF9A4A5CD4FD036849F@Breedbeeld> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Thread-Index: Ack/PVfFVsVuOoQNR6SC1l4ueWWj2QAEy69Q From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2008 14:12:53.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[97C20BE0:01C93F50] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 15:13:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911a9f6156618512572685 And Toto too? -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Wiliam Wagenaar Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:53 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Finally took the photo of my workspace. Maybe not the biggest mess, but definitely not the tidiest either ;-)) http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/sizes/o/ When you click "Back to the Flickr photo page" at the top of the page you will find a smaller photo which contains a lot of notes. Wiliam ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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(chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 14:21:47 -0000 Message-ID: <4911ABFB.6040902@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:21:47 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scanner References: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> <1C061B10-F2E4-42D1-9224-BE1C610DD3C2@people.net.au> <2885544.30211225881582483.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 15:26:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911ad10203697350615338 Jez's offer is most generous. I wouldn't offer up my own 2720s for 2 Eurocents since I know that the film holders are in demand since they've been out of production for years :-) But just a caution before you spend much on a USB or Firewire to SCSI adapter. There is a Yahoo group called 2720 of which I have been a member for many years. I can't recall all the details but I do believe that at least 2 folks have attempted USB to SCSI conversion with at least one of the adapters being an Adaptec device. IIRC neither conversion attempt was successful even though there's probably no one in the world who know more about SCSI than Adaptec. I'd suggest you do a search through the archives of the 2720 list to find any details I may not have seen or, more likely, forgotten. The Scanwit 2720s is a good scanner but lacks digital ICE which was offered in the 2740 model. The software for the Scanwit is only for Windows and only up to XP. You'll likely have to use VueScan but that works much better anyhow. If you can get an adapter cheap it's probably a good gamble but I think you might better plan on installing a PCI SCSI card. Chuck Norcutt iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > I didn't know about these adapters yet, so I'll have to source one and give > Jez's offer a try! > Iwert > > 2008/11/5 Dawid Loubser > >> I am guessing you are being facetious, because that is not quit >> true - only the new lower-end laptops no longer offer firewire, all >> the others do. >> >> In anyway, you can purchase a separate SCSI adaptor which plugs into >> your >> USB or Firewire port, so not having built-in SCASI is not a problem. >> Just >> make sure you get the "flavour" of SCSI right - SCSI-II, Ultra SCSI, >> Ultra Wide SCSI, SCSI 320 ... >> >> On 05 Nov 2008, at 11:30 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: >>> New Macs don't even have Firewire! >>> >>> On 05/11/2008, at 7:38 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: >>> >>>> Note that it's scsi (but a PC card is included) - or do Macs still >>>> have >>>> scsi? >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 7:17 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 15:40:35 2008 Received: (qmail 1258 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 14:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 14:40:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7DDC3C71; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:40:23 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:40:23 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA79EC4028 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:40:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 05 Nov 2008 09:40:22 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id KKL60217; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:39:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-199-178.s1702.apx1.atn.pa.dialup.rcn.com (HELO PAB0180015360A) ([216.164.199.178]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with SMTP; 05 Nov 2008 09:39:00 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20081105093859.00ace320@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: sctroy@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:38:59 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Stephen Troy Subject: [OM] Re: Scanner In-Reply-To: <4911ABFB.6040902@chucknorcutt.com> References: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> <1C061B10-F2E4-42D1-9224-BE1C610DD3C2@people.net.au> <2885544.30211225881582483.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: sctroy@erols.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 15:40:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911b06365201744846740 At 09:21 AM 11/5/2008 -0500, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >But just a caution before you spend much on a USB or Firewire to SCSI >adapter. There is a Yahoo group called 2720 of which I have been a >member for many years. I can't recall all the details but I do believe >that at least 2 folks have attempted USB to SCSI conversion with at >least one of the adapters being an Adaptec device. IIRC neither >conversion attempt was successful even though there's probably no one in >the world who know more about SCSI than Adaptec. I'd suggest you do a >search through the archives of the 2720 list to find any details I may >not have seen or, more likely, forgotten. For what it's worth, we're using an Adaptec USB2.0 to SCSI adapter with an Imacon scanner under XP and it works beautifully. You have to have the scanner turned on when you boot/reboot the computer for it to be recognized. Steve Troy ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 15:46:56 2008 Received: (qmail 32402 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 14:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 14:46:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3EBC4082; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:46:44 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:46:44 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1E6C41D0 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:46:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.89]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081105144642.NVBT1571.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:46:42 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcIAEQ8EUlMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIggDKJoNT Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 05 Nov 2008 09:42:22 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:46:34 -0500 Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: E-30 Thread-Index: Ack/VUwziruWgqtIEd2TNgAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <4911A5C6.2070307@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 15:46:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911b1e0174641744846740 Wi-Fi, built in Web server, selectable uploads also to Flickr, PBase, Facebook (with automatic tagging), Mobile Me, etc. and each upload Twittered. Bluetooth, photo sharing with nearby Four Thirds users. Auto-chimping on nearby compatible large-screen TVs. Mobile GSM/UMTS prototype at PMA 2009 (currently in wood-sculpting stage). On 11/5/08 8:55 AM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > What's next? Built-in PhotoShop Elements? > > Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 16:07:47 2008 Received: (qmail 8453 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 15:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 15:07:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6182C44C3; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:07:34 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:07:34 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.66]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F0B5C30B0 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:07:34 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 84171 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2008 15:07:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=CA4pBmT/KnjwwGrzH7T/D/gimjthvKMlmqVFMNp6WyqPVJqNr6MaOEZuxtl/gpX9X6WowQmk5e59f1177eQO7j4exFt/Y2ogQhMbHYVJoqbHGeXlyHsJQBsYjBJgJbCPjM2Bs/mgFVhfnCIlb8JPd08bCxYWz60RDFtEQgCFKao=; X-YMail-OSG: K8Qy2qsVM1mwL6Nbzad.wuQLyq_YdzoyKtPZniYF7amCkod4Ab4_UupzjsHuz3dTzUk7p4pbn86zwIObVK5QcmxhlYpY1CyeNhorF8v2VhRegkKQyxY6bmf7pJ0ifwUwMrk_yF9yoDvc2MWO.hTe3Yj6n1lBG7lNNm43x3fZo6iC_pH7zhYh6TKwhdC.2x7AsIG6SwKdMRj2q7U- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:07:33 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:07:33 -0800 (PST) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <474155.83867.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 16:07:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911b6c3221705368819438 Here's some good info: http://www.cameratown.com/news/news.cfm/hurl/id|6659 Art filters sound interesting. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 16:22:46 2008 Received: (qmail 27998 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 15:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 15:22:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB62C2D68; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:22:34 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:22:34 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1B3C2C66 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:22:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6106.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 971D77000086 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:22:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6106.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 612FC7000083 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:22:34 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081105152234398.612FC7000083@mwinf6106.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:22:32 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 16:22:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911ba46287821702588592 Ehh, Who's Toto? But this should be visible better for people without Flickr account. http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/ Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Timpe, Jim > Verzonden: woensdag 5 november 2008 15:13 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > > > And Toto too? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of > Wiliam > Wagenaar > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:53 AM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > > > Finally took the photo of my workspace. Maybe not the biggest > mess, but definitely not the tidiest either ;-)) > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/sizes/o/ When you click "Back to the Flickr photo page" at the top of the page you will find a smaller photo which contains a lot of notes. 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C On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > > Ehh, > > Who's Toto? > > But this should be visible better for people without Flickr account. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/ > > Wiliam > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Timpe, Jim > > Verzonden: woensdag 5 november 2008 15:13 > > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > > > > > > > And Toto too? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of > Wiliam > > Wagenaar > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:53 AM > > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > > Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > > > > > > > Finally took the photo of my workspace. Maybe not the biggest > > mess, but definitely not the tidiest either ;-)) > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/sizes/o/ > > When you click "Back to the Flickr photo page" at the top of the page > you will find a smaller photo which contains a lot of notes. > > Wiliam > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. > If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or > re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, > please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone > (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any > attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. > > In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of > this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, > any > contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the > foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any > digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is > included in any attachment to this email. > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 16:25:41 2008 Received: (qmail 32146 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 15:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 15:25:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B334C3808; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:25:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:25:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9295C37AE for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:25:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6106.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9B9937000089 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:25:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6106.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 60B987000086 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:25:28 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081105152528396.60B987000086@mwinf6106.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:25:26 +0100 Message-ID: <0D3A816B090543459EB6A88743CF74CA@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 16:25:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911baf5243717927319144 Frank, Good to hear from you again. I had to tidy up a little yesterday. Otherwise I would not have had enough room on my desk to sort out all the papers and file them. I usualy sit behind on the couch in the living room with the laptop on the arm rest, which is wide enough to support the laptop. At least until the cat decides to go and sit on the keyboard. The laptop gets very unstable by then ;-) Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Frank@vanLindert.nl > Verzonden: woensdag 5 november 2008 15:04 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > > Wiliam, > > I just wonder what would have been the bigger effort: adding > all those notes to that picture, or tidying up the room ;-) > > Of course the right answer would be that _composing_ the > picture (IOW creating the mess) is what gives ultimate > satisfaction to the real photographer... > > Same applies for all those other junk yards showing up in the > last few days. Not that mine looks any different... > > I also wonder if woman photographer workspaces would have > been much more ...eh... eh... organized is the word I was looking for. > > Frank van Lindert > Utrecht NL. > > > > > > > Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:47:59 +0100, "Wiliam Wagenaar" > wrote: > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/ > >Hope this helps, please let me know. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 16:28:04 2008 Received: (qmail 27080 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 15:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 15:28:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1787C3A17; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:27:51 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:27:51 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A88BC38CD for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:27:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6106.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7B2657000088 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:27:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6106.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 374B57000085 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:27:51 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081105152751226.374B57000085@mwinf6106.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:27:49 +0100 Message-ID: <5B3B2F512DA245338F0E71B67F467DD5@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0811050724hcacdd27g5ca8b15f1608e6d7@mail.gmail.com> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 16:28:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911bb84228191869477228 Ah, of course. Yes, that was a cairn terrier too. The other one that passed away last easter looked much more like that one. The one featured on the photo really is a fat lady of about 11 kgs, while Terry only weighed 6.5 kgs, like a good Cairn should. At least I know when this fat lady sings all is over.. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Charles Geilfuss > Verzonden: woensdag 5 november 2008 16:24 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > > > Dorothy's dog in "The Wizard of Oz". > > C > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Wiliam Wagenaar > wrote: > > > > > Ehh, > > > > Who's Toto? > > > > But this should be visible better for people without Flickr > account. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/ > > > > Wiliam > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] > > > Namens Timpe, Jim > > > Verzonden: woensdag 5 november 2008 15:13 > > > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > > > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > > > > > > > > > > > And Toto too? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > > > Behalf Of > Wiliam Wagenaar > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:53 AM > > > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > > > Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally took the photo of my workspace. Maybe not the > biggest mess, > > > but definitely not the tidiest either ;-)) > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/sizes/o/ > > > > When you click "Back to the Flickr photo page" at the top > of the page > > you will find a smaller photo which contains a lot of notes. > > > > Wiliam > > > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > Please be advised that this email may contain confidential > > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not > > read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received > this email > > in error, please notify us by email by replying to the > sender and by > > telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete > this message > > and any attachments. 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I always pay cash so have not seen this before. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > But the credit has still been issued before he punches in the dollar > limit. The sequence is: insert card, cards gets validated and credit > amount locked on. Only then does he select a gasoline grade and dollar > limit if applicable. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > John Hermanson wrote: >> Except he's not filling the tank, he's specifically punched in $20 maximum. >> Pump shuts off at $20. Exxon takes $70. >> >> >> John Hermanson, CPS Inc. >> 21 South Lane, Huntington NY 11743 >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> omtech1@verizon.net | www.zuiko.com >> 631-424-2121 >> >> Nov 4, 2008 08:39:45 AM, olympus@ml.free.fr wrote: >> It happens at all gas stations, not just Exxon/Mobil. At the time your >> card is accepted for purchase the size of the purchase is unknown so >> they put a lock on the funds that *might* be required. It has certainly >> not been unusual to spend $70 for a tank of gas recently. The same >> thing happens on a smaller scale when you use a card at a restaurant. >> The purchase is accepted by the card issuer before the final total is >> known since you haven't yet added a tip. They lock the purchase price >> plus some amount for a tip. It's all reasonable except for the part >> about holding the funds for anything more than an hour. That's the part >> that should be illegal. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> John Hermanson wrote: >>> A weird story. A friend of mine lives in the Binghamton NY area and >>> used to use his Paypal debit card for buying gas for his truck. Twice, >>> Exxon/Mobil stations debited his card $70 for a $20 gas purchase! After >>> spending an hour on the phone, Exxon explained they do it "just in case >>> there are problems with paypal. Don't worry, you'll get the $50 back in >>> a few days". No one else handled the card, he paid at the pump, this >>> extra penalty must be built into their "firm"ware. He got his money >>> back, but they had it for 10 days to do with as they wish. Sounds >>> frickin' illegal, underhanded or something you'd expect an oil company >>> would do in the '20s. >>> ___________________________________ >>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>> >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>> It's probably happening all over the place. Anyone lending money these >>>> days is taking steps to limit their exposure. >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> John Hermanson wrote: >>>>> Anyone here using American Express recently discover their credit limit >>>>> has been cut way way back and AE won't explain why? AE used to the "no >>>>> limits" cc. >>>>> ___________________________________ >>>>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>>>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>>>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>>>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>>>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>>> ============================================== >>>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>>> ============================================== >>>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 >> 4:59 PM >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 16:41:59 2008 Received: (qmail 26564 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 15:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 15:41:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A5EC3592; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:41:43 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:41:43 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDAAC424E for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:39:53 +0100 (CET) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so19272yxj.89 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:39:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=FNVAb05ruOabHTwiPFyOLgr0vlLwsBaTMkdNm6ZU5e8=; b=G457QVKpyeTvFL2vndMl7Rr9iYJrMHj521lPxLEi/Cb6KsNjgEn9yAiC8swxTdBy3x JXSgIsq3LLRpC24ZjhlhsRG54r4X3GcJs86cpw7EDpmTUcIusAJlbdCZOX0RBhfZOoFX W4kTxrzeG4SCJPkNdRAcFVNT6chQff4e2gnOE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=pVwwiRWpOl1OzKQ2Ftk+X3ratx/+qGxEaYGXKfvl/Yk9iBuFK/UOxN7EhhOt9FBJ38 0GH4YK+x9EhD7GP3YtzqRZoFQkAzq8jE7SFN6/s6UtmJcd1uSCOa0Zz8huLX640AlGuo Sq0WUhug6I+KcZqabUuQsqilErRXVlMqvqEE8= Received: by 10.103.243.9 with SMTP id v9mr434429mur.91.1225899591389; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:39:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.141.16 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:39:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:39:51 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder In-Reply-To: <4911961D.3060504@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <200811050151.mA51pbXg031091@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4910FFFA.2070907@chucknorcutt.com> <7FED0663-E085-45DD-BB08-83B65D9788DF@people.net.au> <4911961D.3060504@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 75100d7d9bab29b6 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 16:41:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911bec7272441499373980 A for-what-it's-worth item: I do my own adapted free version of the "See Clearly Method". For several years I wore glasses, but really hated wearing them and my eyes were rapidly degrading. It's not that my vision is, uh, correct, but by utilizing this method, my eyes have stopped (or slowed down) degrading. Unfortunately, my eyesight is absolutely worse at about 2-meters, which just happens to be where most SLR focus screens are optically set at. Therefore, I need about a -1.5ish corrective diopter for the viewfinders. It is wierd, though, needing to look through a viewfinder to see what the world looks like around me. ;) Computer screens are starting to get a bit more difficult to read, so I might have to do something in a year or two, unfortunately. Old age... The 3Ti and 4Ti have the adjustable diopter which is a Godsend. I've had to use a third-party diopter (Minolta) on my OM-2S for years, but the built-in diopter is definitely a better way to go. Wayne sent me an OM -3 Diopter which is MUCH stronger than I need, but I really liked the eyecup. So I dialed the adjustable diopter forward to about +1.5 and the -3 eyepiece made everything perfect for me. So now both the 3Ti and the 4Ti have the eyecups (or half cups or whatever you want to descibe them as) and I wonder how I ever managed for 22 years to use the OM system without them. (A few weeks ago I bought the eyecup dohicky for my E-1 too. A must purchase accessory). I suppose that one doesn't miss that which they've never had, but from now on, I know what I'm always going to buy. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 16:42:39 2008 Received: (qmail 25076 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 15:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 15:42:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80378C2974; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:42:21 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:42:21 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8DDC2976 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:40:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 8C801B49FR for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:40:31 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:40:02 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Thread-Index: Ack/Wl1jNbhHuW/BS9WgqL2BoS0p1QAAmDww From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2008 15:40:31.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5A65A40:01C93F5C] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 16:42:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911beef15069347015869 Toto was a Cairn Terrier. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Wiliam Wagenaar Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:23 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Ehh, Who's Toto? But this should be visible better for people without Flickr account. http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/ Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Timpe, Jim > Verzonden: woensdag 5 november 2008 15:13 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > > > And Toto too? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of > Wiliam > Wagenaar > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:53 AM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > > > Finally took the photo of my workspace. Maybe not the biggest > mess, but definitely not the tidiest either ;-)) > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/sizes/o/ When you click "Back to the Flickr photo page" at the top of the page you will find a smaller photo which contains a lot of notes. 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If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment to this email. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 16:43:26 2008 Received: (qmail 26456 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 15:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 15:43:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9981C3829; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:43:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:43:13 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52102C36BB for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:43:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9V00NPLAC03QL4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:43:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:43:25 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <4911BF1D.3090505@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 16:43:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911bf1e300071946193717 Are prices down just because oil speculation has subsided or just due to the elections? I expect (but hope otherwise) prices to creep back up again. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Timpe, Jim wrote: > Where here? > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of Sue Pearce > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:28 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > > > Sorry, Jim, 1.89 here > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timpe, Jim" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:15 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > >> Gas is back down to $2.379/gal at the local Costco. I can get close >> in my wife's toy car. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >> Behalf Of Andrew Fildes >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:12 PM >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express >> >> >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 17:02:36 2008 Received: (qmail 1466 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 16:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 16:02:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C619C2EF3; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:02:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:02:13 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB00BC3FD6 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:01:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 7D2F70D0V6 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:01:08 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:00:33 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <474155.83867.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: E-30 Thread-Index: Ack/WEcwkHyDhnJJTwyk5nIuluIFTQABFt4Q From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2008 16:01:08.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[B728B0B0:01C93F5F] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 17:02:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911c39c322302070262475 Has Bill seen that it's got a pin-hole simulation mode? -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of AS Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:08 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 Here's some good info: http://www.cameratown.com/news/news.cfm/hurl/id|6659 Art filters sound interesting. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. 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The laptop gets very unstable by then ;-) Years ago, I worked software technical support. These were the days before the x386 processor and most PCs were less than stable in a high RF or static environment. We provided scheduling/billing software systems to radio stations. One day, I got a phone call and was told that the computer just went nuts and there was gibberish typed on the screen. Another day she called and the printer started printing reports all on its own. Later on, she calls back and the computer has more gibberish typed on the screen. On it goes for three weeks. This was, of course, a classic example of RF Interference wrecking havoc with the computer. I had seen this happen dozens of times and the symptoms were nearly identical. Within the industry, we just call it "RF". We tried everything to recreate the problem, to no avail. I had the station engineer do various things, had him check grounding and shielding, etc. We even took the station off the air! (He insisted that they didn't actually broadcast from that location, but from five miles away--which was technically correct, but a TV station did broadcast from a tower not 600 feet away). I was absolutely insistant that it was RF Interference, and the chief Engineer was equally insistant that it wasn't. This went every day, at various times of day, for almost three weeks. Then one day I get the call. "Ken, you are absolutely correct. It was RF. RF the cat!" The radio station had this stray cat that the DJs had fed and it never left. It became the station cat. They named it "RF". Well, it was wintertime in Michigan and the cat sought out a warm spot to sleep. The perfect location was on top of the computer monitor. It was actually quite hilarious as the cat would get statically charged and the hair would poof out like a sea urchin. (I saw this happen with a Himalayan one time and that cat became the size of a rather large dog!) The lady running the computer had a horseshoe shaped desk where her computer was on one side, the typewriter and telephone were on the other. The telephone would ring, she'd turn around and answer it. It would be an agency phoning in an order, so she'd load up the order form in the typewriter and work away. A minute later, the computer behind her started beeping, printing or doing something else. RF the cat would wake up, stretch, jump down off the monitor ONTO THE KEYBOARD and then onto the floor, exiting the room before she was aware of what had happened. It is amazing how you can be 100%, yet 100% wrong. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 17:13:10 2008 Received: (qmail 27173 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 16:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 16:13:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F051BC4345; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:12:56 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:12:56 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.179]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DA7C431E for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:12:55 +0100 (CET) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so46732ele.8 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:12:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=4hQKhtPBbzDNema4dQ/9WUu75lAz/sJMHaxFJqZ1xo0=; b=NC3M+9VteA4Ny4+0C2/pvHu+b+1vPvu6iCyoSqDZ4nwIGhReS1fuSAxLwhn7+Lllt0 i0DXbDRC0kSFCYDd7snz9CjuN0eWsteu6npRvGACz4cPb1uFOJQgaL+V0MsVtCuRGOA5 L9MPd3EESZma4j/5zLz7/bQtsdTEk6y2gnw7o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=YTShpHFuE/eHI8zGkmY5v6HtsAackUPXJZ1bNKasdcYk/bj7b7BgJ2e7+t7W44e17V 36zRgyqMQhrOQvv93EGG2ZaXFog3eS9saXTzeOwATl5M7v3De1zjycA+Sc+6QtivF3t6 7HNzuxedpda1Qk1fGil2pgsgqKF4okxvs5yoo= Received: by 10.102.234.18 with SMTP id g18mr452447muh.102.1225901574431; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:12:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.141.16 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:12:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:12:54 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express In-Reply-To: <608772.19977.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <608772.19977.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: fb0e2477976b893e X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 17:13:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911c616298825368819438 >I visit Saint Louis more often now, but it always feels like going to a third world >country. I live in the People's Republic of Iowa. The food ain't any better here either. Except the sweetcorn is excellent. I know this seems sick, but my, uh, um, "regular" stop in St Louis is "White Castle". AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 17:18:30 2008 Received: (qmail 23046 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 16:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 16:18:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E21FC3F6F; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:18:18 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:18:18 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4CFC3BD9 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:18:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6103.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 94E8C1C00085 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:18:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6103.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E2DE81C00081 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:18:16 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081105161816929.E2DE81C00081@mwinf6103.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:18:44 +0100 Message-ID: <6218D858C7714038A9E1A4384BCBFD5E@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 17:18:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911c75621789347015869 Nice story Ken, Yes, my cat makes the laptop unstable in both ways too ;-) I am most affraid of the instability involving gravitation though. Just today we picked another laptop back up after the screen was exchanged. It had fallen off the bed and someone stepped on it. Good thing we have insurance on that laptop. Now it only costs us only ˆ 50,- (and almost 6 weeks!) to repair. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: image66@gmail.com [mailto:image66@gmail.com] Namens Ken Norton > Verzonden: woensdag 5 november 2008 17:04 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > > > >At least until the cat decides to go and sit on the > >keyboard. The laptop gets very unstable by then ;-) > > > > Years ago, I worked software technical support. These were > the days before the x386 processor and most PCs were less > than stable in a high RF or static environment. We provided > scheduling/billing software systems to radio stations. > > One day, I got a phone call and was told that the computer > just went nuts and there was gibberish typed on the screen. > Another day she called and the printer started printing > reports all on its own. Later on, she calls back and the > computer has more gibberish typed on the screen. On it goes > for three weeks. > > This was, of course, a classic example of RF Interference > wrecking havoc with the computer. I had seen this happen > dozens of times and the symptoms were nearly identical. > Within the industry, we just call it "RF". > > We tried everything to recreate the problem, to no avail. I > had the station engineer do various things, had him check > grounding and shielding, etc. We even took the station off > the air! (He insisted that they didn't actually broadcast > from that location, but from five miles away--which was > technically correct, but a TV station did broadcast from a > tower not 600 feet away). > > I was absolutely insistant that it was RF Interference, and > the chief Engineer was equally insistant that it wasn't. > > This went every day, at various times of day, for almost three weeks. > > Then one day I get the call. "Ken, you are absolutely > correct. It was RF. RF the cat!" The radio station had this > stray cat that the DJs had fed and it never left. It became > the station cat. They named it "RF". > > Well, it was wintertime in Michigan and the cat sought out a > warm spot to sleep. The perfect location was on top of the > computer monitor. It was actually quite hilarious as the cat > would get statically charged and the hair would poof out like > a sea urchin. (I saw this happen with a Himalayan one time > and that cat became the size of a rather large dog!) > > The lady running the computer had a horseshoe shaped desk > where her computer was on one side, the typewriter and > telephone were on the other. The telephone would ring, she'd > turn around and answer it. It would be an agency phoning in > an order, so she'd load up the order form in the typewriter > and work away. A minute later, the computer behind her > started beeping, printing or doing something else. RF the > cat would wake up, stretch, jump down off the monitor ONTO > THE KEYBOARD and then onto the floor, exiting the room before > she was aware of what had happened. > > It is amazing how you can be 100%, yet 100% wrong. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 17:22:34 2008 Received: (qmail 24444 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 16:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 16:22:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14268C323B; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:22:23 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:22:23 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF15C4151 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:22:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.c3b.49fdda3a (39955) for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:22:17 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:22:17 EST Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 17:22:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911c84a170254673671140 Hmm, wonder what size film it takes? Most of my pin-hole work recently has been done with film. Doubt that I'll be jumping on the e-30 band wagon right away, although it does have some interest. It probably won't replace my Zero Image, 8banners, holga, diana,or soft focus lenses. Unlike underwear and socks, camera bodies don't need to be changed regularly. Don't tell the Nik#n and Can#n folks. The darkroom sink cabinet is being built this week. I'll be wet soon . . . shortly after New Years. <[B^) Bill Barber In a message dated 11/5/2008 10:02:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com writes: Has Bill seen that it's got a pin-hole simulation mode? **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 17:26:12 2008 Received: (qmail 14937 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 16:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 16:26:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3BCC4487; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:26:00 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:26:00 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2519C40E7 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:25:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 37B408850V for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:25:56 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:25:41 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: E-30 Thread-Index: Ack/YrkgLa6u+v2CTY2tY34B8rMBswAAFdXQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2008 16:25:57.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E79B490:01C93F63] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 17:26:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911c924165711073733319 I'll be wet soon . . . shortly after New Years. <[B^) Bill Barber I'll let your care-takers know8^) Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. 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I also had the one where the cleaner unplugged it to plug in the vacuum every evening - mind you some idiot of a cleaner (i.e. this implies not all cleaners are idiots - I am an equal opportunity insulter ;-) ) managed to do the same to rack in the machine room once. IanW ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 17:31:00 2008 Received: (qmail 19775 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 16:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 16:31:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1079DC43E9; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:30:50 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:30:50 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4F4C3D73 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:30:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.bdd.3f3ffcd5 (39955) for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:30:43 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:30:43 EST Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 17:31:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911ca44212003675314703 It all "depends" on what you tell them. I appreciate your letting them know. Although I will be in the dark, it best for them to not be. <[B^) Bill Barber In a message dated 11/5/2008 10:26:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com writes: I'll be wet soon . . . shortly after New Years. <[B^) Bill Barber I'll let your care-takers know8^) **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 17:32:10 2008 Received: (qmail 8878 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 16:32:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 16:32:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7A1C4644; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:31:59 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:31:59 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E934C466B for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:31:59 +0100 (CET) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 17so538831ugm.14 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:31:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uPtzlxquqq9n6on7MKlaNp2G5ttfyozSnFhEB/XWN7U=; b=wk8G3hqINrwq8dRS7Me3tZ+uSkkIWZaev8ZgdIg5zH+Uo5XUzEYpAWT51tZu0RxZXG +HYFkflbUNesUJEMLT/yJ3cWkvQVQBequ5DWefuB4THsNBXTpePGkf1YthlN41HVwcH3 GFASPCGwwl+p6K4w6yEz+hnalphw+ONL5s6Mg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=i546m4hD/WzHmAtIaJB9XQwjhlFXMUuE3OiBa4FYE3DuWQyzkFFDGl8il36Xy8w+P/ hPM36k3aF265Y8IpsW0HNS3z/JX1rz2+Nxqxyst2MwPpe5vBoR/48Z5QBU91p8N6YiO5 QLcFRRjKqzCrDs6g6ui56pIyZLAkNVba3HY8w= Received: by 10.66.221.6 with SMTP id t6mr3676428ugg.55.1225902719397; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:31:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ianwmac.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k1sm5233226ugf.3.2008.11.05.08.31.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:31:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4911CA7C.3040009@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:31:56 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] sorry subject should have been Animal Interference was [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <608772.19977.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4911C980.1070708@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4911C980.1070708@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 17:32:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911ca8a45371342116753 what a plonker I am! 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Van Brimmer\"" Sender: jerry.vb@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081104180803.01144048@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <49103C2D.8060704@chucknorcutt.com> <7437417.30001225801738902.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <491045BD.4040702@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040459t65369c29pd870214a64676902@mail.gmail.com> <49104E9F.4060500@chucknorcutt.com> <901b226d0811041442u4a5af1cdra3beefa02e116561@mail.gmail.com> <4910D1B1.3070603@roadrunner.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081104180803.01144048@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 29628f8ddfc8a078 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 17:36:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911cb8e92401744846740 Thank you, Richard & Wayne, I understand the principle of HDR now. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:14 PM, WayneS wrote: > At 05:50 PM 11/4/2008, Dickwrote: >>"J. Van Brimmer" wrote: >>> Okay, I'll humble myself and ask the dumb question. What are you guys >>> talking about, what is HDR? >> >>HDR - High Dynamic Range >>http://tinyurl.com/o3kfo > > Often this is achieved by combining multiple exposures, but with todays > digital cameras, getting close to 8-9 stops of range, where the histogram > covers a wide range, can be processed with HDR techniques. > > The first HDR algorithm I studied was back in the 70's, called homomorphic > signal processing. What it does is balanced the overall background exposure > range while preserving detail. > > Here was one of my attempts at it: http://tinyurl.com/564b8y > > But today it is often associated with extreme processing of sorts. > > There are a lot of potential creative options for output. > > Photomatix was the standard used by many people, but PS CS4 > can also do HDR blending. > > WayneS > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > -- jv ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 17:39:56 2008 Received: (qmail 25059 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 16:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 16:39:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D038C2CC6; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:39:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:39:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC2AC2B0A for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:39:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20081105163942H0100o7gj5e>; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:39:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <5E46DA1901A24846A3D923F7743C8755@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <0D3A816B090543459EB6A88743CF74CA@Breedbeeld> Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:39:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 17:39:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911cc5c93741234514069 Hilarious! Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > >At least until the cat decides to go and sit on the >>keyboard. The laptop gets very unstable by then ;-) > > > > Years ago, I worked software technical support. These were the days before > the x386 processor and most PCs were less than stable in a high RF or > static > environment. We provided scheduling/billing software systems to radio > stations. > > One day, I got a phone call and was told that the computer just went nuts > and there was gibberish typed on the screen. Another day she called and > the > printer started printing reports all on its own. Later on, she calls back > and the computer has more gibberish typed on the screen. On it goes for > three weeks. > > This was, of course, a classic example of RF Interference wrecking havoc > with the computer. I had seen this happen dozens of times and the > symptoms > were nearly identical. Within the industry, we just call it "RF". > > We tried everything to recreate the problem, to no avail. I had the > station > engineer do various things, had him check grounding and shielding, etc. > We > even took the station off the air! (He insisted that they didn't actually > broadcast from that location, but from five miles away--which was > technically correct, but a TV station did broadcast from a tower not 600 > feet away). > > I was absolutely insistant that it was RF Interference, and the chief > Engineer was equally insistant that it wasn't. > > This went every day, at various times of day, for almost three weeks. > > Then one day I get the call. "Ken, you are absolutely correct. It was > RF. > RF the cat!" The radio station had this stray cat that the DJs had fed > and > it never left. It became the station cat. They named it "RF". > > Well, it was wintertime in Michigan and the cat sought out a warm spot to > sleep. The perfect location was on top of the computer monitor. It was > actually quite hilarious as the cat would get statically charged and the > hair would poof out like a sea urchin. (I saw this happen with a > Himalayan > one time and that cat became the size of a rather large dog!) > > The lady running the computer had a horseshoe shaped desk where her > computer > was on one side, the typewriter and telephone were on the other. The > telephone would ring, she'd turn around and answer it. It would be an > agency phoning in an order, so she'd load up the order form in the > typewriter and work away. A minute later, the computer behind her started > beeping, printing or doing something else. RF the cat would wake up, > stretch, jump down off the monitor ONTO THE KEYBOARD and then onto the > floor, exiting the room before she was aware of what had happened. > > It is amazing how you can be 100%, yet 100% wrong. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 17:50:42 2008 Received: (qmail 5207 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 16:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 16:50:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D2DC4153; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:50:22 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:50:22 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE5CC3001 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:49:41 +0100 (CET) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so42366yxj.89 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:49:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=+r6fpURO7fX1mDWoyBXfiTbMyg62dmrX06C4P9khly8=; b=FKrpBXFSly9erLt7/K1yvMHwVSV9olF7e/m+0ikzJtozdVUmQuB4+JOIesa2F1qRl4 +tw4jENFvPholaF3MD+RnkV3TwB0aiOUHj1J7SQKKHKRW9axEQV749yUXG9T/0Hlb4YM 8Bts6QAF3+Aw7o3FZw1BLA0PlgPmlpMyaaOP4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=vnqoI4X3dZV5RH+BbuHLTrZGJ6Et//kOC6rKdBBNWprJ2JtemCNlUl3SM2YGnwZW/g veCLibttZsYQImsi6iR2+4a8091gnqv1DWk21H+7JEB6ixf3Ip0OoJS9D1wDnUni9BmZ hsEbVPaATF9nT8JnTEieu9904reTdKRXm5m7c= Received: by 10.103.227.13 with SMTP id e13mr473719mur.20.1225903778236; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:49:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.141.16 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:49:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:49:38 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0ceed903e177d9cb X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 17:50:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911cee284021470116606 NSURIT wrote: >Hmm, wonder what size film it takes? Most of my pin-hole work recently has >been done with film. Doubt that I'll be jumping on the e-30 band wagon >right away, although it does have some interest. It probably won't replace my >Zero Image, 8banners, holga, diana,or soft focus lenses. Unlike underwear and >socks, camera bodies don't need to be changed regularly. Don't tell the Nik#n >and Can#n folks. The darkroom sink cabinet is being built this week. I'll >be wet soon . . . shortly after New Years. <[B^) Bill Barber Bill, we need to schedule a digital-free Zuikofest gettogether. I understand spring wildflowers are nice down your way. :) I'm not minding the aspect of camera systems being changed regularly. It makes it a bit easier to acquire classic top-dog stuff in perfect condition. BTW, a VERY interesting thing happened. I shot a recent wedding where about 1/5 of the presented pictures in the proof book were from the OM-4Ti, shot on Delta 400. Guess which pictures are getting the most attention? Yup, you guessed it--film. They truely look different from the digital stuff, and it isn't just monochrome vs color, it's "presence", 3D'ness and "warmth". This isn't crop-factor related either--we're talking about images shot with wide-angles, stopped down to F8-11 in many instances. The look is distinctly different enough that I'm tempted to go film for senior pictures for a while. Portra 160NC is so good and it scans so well giving skintones we kill for. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 18:20:56 2008 Received: (qmail 8312 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 17:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 17:20:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72277C28E6; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:20:44 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:20:44 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65BDC2EB0 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:20:38 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 8115 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 17:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 17:20:37 -0000 Message-ID: <4911D5E5.1000504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:20:37 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scanner References: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> <1C061B10-F2E4-42D1-9224-BE1C610DD3C2@people.net.au> <2885544.30211225881582483.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <3.0.5.32.20081105093859.00ace320@pop.erols.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20081105093859.00ace320@pop.erols.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 18:20:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911d5f8239945368819438 OK, maybe as David suggests the problem others have had with the 2720s USB adaptation has been not matching the SCSI type. The 2720s requires a SCSI-II card with a 25 pin female plug to match the male 25 pin plugs at both ends of the scanner's cable. The Adaptec 2906 SCSI-II card is a perfect replacement for the Acard (brand) SCSI-II card shipped with the scanner since that's what's installed in my own machine. If you can get an Adaptec USB/Firewire adapter that's compatible with their own Adaptec 2906 I'd say you've got a good chance of having it work. email me off-list if you'd like a 70 page (1.4MB) PDF of the 2720s user's manual. Chuck Norcutt Stephen Troy wrote: > At 09:21 AM 11/5/2008 -0500, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> But just a caution before you spend much on a USB or Firewire to SCSI >> adapter. There is a Yahoo group called 2720 of which I have been a >> member for many years. I can't recall all the details but I do believe >> that at least 2 folks have attempted USB to SCSI conversion with at >> least one of the adapters being an Adaptec device. IIRC neither >> conversion attempt was successful even though there's probably no one in >> the world who know more about SCSI than Adaptec. I'd suggest you do a >> search through the archives of the 2720 list to find any details I may >> not have seen or, more likely, forgotten. > > > For what it's worth, we're using an Adaptec USB2.0 to SCSI adapter with an > Imacon scanner under XP and it works beautifully. You have to have the > scanner turned on when you boot/reboot the computer for it to be recognized. > > Steve Troy > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 7:17 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 18:28:30 2008 Received: (qmail 18968 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 17:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 17:28:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA25C3C86; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:28:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:28:13 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [207.115.11.54]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E324AC3C11 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:28:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20081105172808H040073pthe>; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:28:08 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <69E72821306E4113801773AF1C86F5A7@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Subject: [OM] IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:28:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 18:28:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911d7be145191946193717 The Autumn colors continue to predominate in the Upper Mid-South, as elsewhere. This is a morning shot of the neighborhood colors. Oly E-510, Zuiko 14-54, ISO 400, RAW, processed in Elements 6.0 http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/The+Neighborhood.tif.html Critiques and comments welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 18:33:16 2008 Received: (qmail 23043 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 17:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 17:33:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B593C3DD2; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:33:03 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:33:03 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E25C3FF4 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:33:01 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 18334 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 17:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 17:33:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4911D8CC.3000703@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:33:00 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express References: <4911BF1D.3090505@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4911BF1D.3090505@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 18:33:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911d8dc80642336821329 Oil prices are down because the world economy is in a tailspin. Demand dropped and there's excess inventory so gas is now "on sale". I think oil demand has proved to be much more elastic than anyone thought. There was an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal in the summer (and before the current economic woes suddenly surfaced) that predicted that the high price of oil was unsustainable (IIRC it was about $130/barrel at the time of the article). The reason being that the highest cost of production anywhere in the world was about $80-85 barrel and, of course, the Saudis pump at a fraction of that price. With that great a discrepancy between sale price and cost of production additional supplies or alternatives would start to rear up. The writer was correct but mostly for the wrong reason. Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > Are prices down just because oil speculation has subsided or just due to > the elections? I expect (but hope otherwise) prices to creep back up > again. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Timpe, Jim wrote: >> Where here? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >> Behalf Of Sue Pearce >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:28 PM >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express >> >> >> >> Sorry, Jim, 1.89 here >> >> Bill Pearce >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Timpe, Jim" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:15 PM >> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express >> >> >>> Gas is back down to $2.379/gal at the local Costco. I can get close >>> in my wife's toy car. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >>> Behalf Of Andrew Fildes >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:12 PM >>> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >>> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express >>> >>> >>> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 7:17 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 18:46:05 2008 Received: (qmail 59 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 17:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 17:46:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE6FC3C28; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:45:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:45:54 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A7DC3BC7 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:45:53 +0100 (CET) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so120692qbc.11 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:45:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=qjZW0P2wbudSa2TckZ0r0BDlEsZBvqJ5SZzZxXxiaXw=; b=mwK2M8OYSnWAFMHjlMTw1lBQwGmW7c8SsYsLb00UO0cdiorpA3TFJinHhHIpfZgUp/ 1tZE9VWUna91ofwZatb+nkilh5h1LopSbZPLoirGsuMYcm/07uxgZcrt8kisxnj4ks0L WsierAbBghX1SaaGTQ4LibFXqchWyhOKda900= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=gT1vZEY/PX56PUlLsZvt6qKxABHS+gbU6YOnY12bz74voeHzl1159jZadx36YKjcgW CMP7qF9RE7lmRi1xwuVofXaAiw03itROk1rx2cNXk5lb4Rv3QG+/0oQpr47fJWZs/ZNx ni1E8uDNi1gDEYic8ycNbcCCfM+QsNLyptOGw= Received: by 10.86.72.3 with SMTP id u3mr1422996fga.1.1225907150834; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:45:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.33.2 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:45:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0811050945j798cf14ey29768f714d50900b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:45:50 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express In-Reply-To: <4911BF1D.3090505@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <4911BF1D.3090505@verizon.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 18:46:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911dbdd180191869477228 Acording to the local radio "Investor Spot", there was a spike in oil yesterday. In his opinion it was due to a drop in the dollar. With the recession in place, demand has little effect on price now. Charlie On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:43 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > > Are prices down just because oil speculation has subsided or just due to > the elections? I expect (but hope otherwise) prices to creep back up > again. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Timpe, Jim wrote: > > Where here? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > > Behalf Of Sue Pearce > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:28 PM > > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > > Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > > > > > > > Sorry, Jim, 1.89 here > > > > Bill Pearce > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Timpe, Jim" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:15 PM > > Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > > > > >> Gas is back down to $2.379/gal at the local Costco. I can get close > >> in my wife's toy car. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > >> Behalf Of Andrew Fildes > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:12 PM > >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr > >> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > >> > >> > >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 18:51:41 2008 Received: (qmail 32279 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 17:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 17:51:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0758BC3D72; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:51:18 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:51:17 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA0EC3D61 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:51:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD184617CF for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:07:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:51:09 +0000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 18:51:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911dd2d107683675314703 It looks quite nice, really, clean and tidy. Speaking of which, my wife sneaked down and cleaned my office. She dusted everywhere! It still looks untidy, but clean ... Chris On 5 Nov 2008, at 12:47, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > Hi all, > > Sorry for the mishap. Apperently more than the front page of Flickr > has > changed over the last few months. I will reconsider my subscription > for > next year. I am considering building my own website and transferring > images there. I signed off and trioed going there and had thes same > problem as you and Iwert. Seems deep linking is no longer allowed. You > can find the photo in smalle format without the possibility to see > other > sizes here: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3005328298/ ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 18:51:53 2008 Received: (qmail 20552 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 17:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 17:51:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CC5C2C75; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:51:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:51:32 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F306CC3934 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:51:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081105175129.QSHI19960.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:51:29 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id bVrU1a00S4vDLwc02VrVVT; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:51:29 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=he5QUmt6AAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=fwIRIdqelTBoMn9JFzAA:9 a=YI7Mp2R8z84G9zHhYlEA:7 a=FxxLqifbJ_Qz79zMxkxQ7btpnL4A:4 a=R4WQGk8rqDwA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=JZxnUwrBx3sA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <6396C3A65B5A40B2956210A05CBA246A@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <4911BF1D.3090505@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:51:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 18:51:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911dd39115949117217770 There is a certain amount of seasonal fluctuation here, but the falling price of crude is probably a good part, and there is no doubt a falling demand. Drive t hose SUV's!! Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > Are prices down just because oil speculation has subsided or just due to > the elections? I expect (but hope otherwise) prices to creep back up > again. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Timpe, Jim wrote: >> Where here? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >> Behalf Of Sue Pearce >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:28 PM >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express >> >> >> >> Sorry, Jim, 1.89 here >> >> Bill Pearce >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Timpe, Jim" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:15 PM >> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express >> >> >>> Gas is back down to $2.379/gal at the local Costco. I can get close >>> in my wife's toy car. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >>> Behalf Of Andrew Fildes >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:12 PM >>> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >>> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express >>> >>> >>> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 7:17 AM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 19:05:47 2008 Received: (qmail 9610 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 18:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 18:05:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8BC1C2E87; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:05:31 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:05:31 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F6BC3740 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:04:29 +0100 (CET) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id y18so48337gvf.14 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:04:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=hty2XxNCLS0xzb1dxvVaqkCsYwVuMKBYjjJNxfuuYvQ=; b=JiFEIs/UYYeHY9zq6eraDSfR+rQqCzvSBJLQD0dmXaFD2cU/S4v69cQfALnW/XVdoi kUIEhqOxm9AGcuR/MQhKqDe4FFwncb3suQ3X1AYW2QKOgrR+RymJ4qzxCak/V9NxYAj6 2aVdJGk+BFxbx+Q/bniegUSAcHjJf8M2i8qvw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=oeGhl4HV1GnRGFDtwg9uzKk/IUsJwVbIvfBvocYCamEFSIHUx3OniOhgA0oTM1CnOO qaV9Yu2ZV4qBJFYEeSJSluZwO9CfkBXJT4DhJ10144w6auBWvnPulwIWFX7dUQL3v8aK dCVL8T07rrnZpfkOKoQB+ti6pBTbLhw822ZB8= Received: by 10.103.217.7 with SMTP id u7mr514658muq.73.1225908268908; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.141.16 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:04:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:04:28 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood In-Reply-To: <69E72821306E4113801773AF1C86F5A7@jimnichols> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <69E72821306E4113801773AF1C86F5A7@jimnichols> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 956221d349309011 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 19:05:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911e07b109491035110158 I like the JetRanger shot. It took me a minute to get my bearings on that one. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 19:12:27 2008 Received: (qmail 32698 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 18:12:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 18:12:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E26C39D6; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:12:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:12:12 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6B6C43DA for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:08:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C5946179D for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:24:34 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <256D03C3-DAD3-47F5-A587-0D5D2EDE3BBB@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <1C061B10-F2E4-42D1-9224-BE1C610DD3C2@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Scanner Was: Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:08:27 +0000 References: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> <1C061B10-F2E4-42D1-9224-BE1C610DD3C2@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 19:12:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911e20b66491342116753 That's only the MacBook and MacBook Air. You can still buy a white MB with FW. Chris On 5 Nov 2008, at 09:30, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > New Macs don't even have Firewire! > Andrew Fildes ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 19:12:51 2008 Received: (qmail 28004 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 18:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 18:12:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4E4C32F0; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:12:36 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:12:36 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [207.115.11.55]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7D5C3BFD for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:11:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20081105181154H0500cd636e>; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:11:55 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <69E72821306E4113801773AF1C86F5A7@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:12:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 19:12:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911e223149549117217770 Ken, You had me there for a moment. I assume you are speaking about the Marine helicopter shots. I saw it at the local airport a few years ago, and used it to test lens resolution on the old Mercury II. I was just using it as an example of what can be expected from single-frame 35mm. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood > > I like the JetRanger shot. It took me a minute to get my bearings on that > one. > > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 19:18:32 2008 Received: (qmail 29850 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 18:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 18:18:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A21C3CC5; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:18:20 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:18:20 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61219C3D59 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:18:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bULB1a00H0FhH24A9WJHqQ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:18:17 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([24.20.172.214]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bWJB1a00u4du4sg8UWJD7a; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:18:13 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=PImz25Wh14by_2qTnBgA:9 a=kdOzl6uBvsBFiORurtEA:7 a=CHTnwNQHG4VRffk9G_JBdTSneawA:4 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=EvFsD9_1mWgA:10 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: References: <4911BF1D.3090505@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4911BF1D.3090505@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:18:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pelaughlin@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 19:18:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911e378107511234514069 More like the financial mess, which has in turn caused people to start conserving on transportation costs. Less consumption and the price goes down. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express > > Are prices down just because oil speculation has subsided or just due to > the elections? I expect (but hope otherwise) prices to creep back up > again. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 19:26:38 2008 Received: (qmail 4646 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 18:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 18:26:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4B0C2E42; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:26:25 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:26:25 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.66]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 61587C386F for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:26:24 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 32971 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2008 18:26:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=LAvNLvGZ7kSFQZMhuZjmp+miVtF0MIvtfX93KQkfP61hGwy1E5izvmcPX5CE35raKaMiDH0rVg74xUJ/ZuPq2OLrsu4yKgo1cKhrUBEHJ2hIYUJVSwqHbSgHo24tSScQBUKlTZPJ1yBQPZOVuxkQRdBBFfKve3V4Dbn3MJth+6o=; X-YMail-OSG: C7YxmWYVM1kNC7LXj_6gadEf.NkIyN7PFq_lihQt_i0CjPhNY0zSiX1QzmrEtEuC6F90.vd3CgHPKa7I4cGQVJ9c_y6r.OnghGSGhGnD3697da1RdSLnUGwzmbwZLaDp.xnqYSQkHatJNWGGKah1ATCt6OY- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:26:23 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:26:23 -0800 (PST) From: AS Subject: [OM] Lexar 4gb CF Deal To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <685975.32404.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 19:26:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911e55e170201234514069 http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/IM20634&t=PG01/ $3.99 after rebate. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 19:29:51 2008 Received: (qmail 27727 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 18:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 18:29:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0516C41FA; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:29:38 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:29:38 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2792C41F2 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:29:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688004617C3 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:45:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <0C5DCB2D-1281-4FA8-A0A2-BBEF3CB63097@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <69E72821306E4113801773AF1C86F5A7@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:29:37 +0000 References: <69E72821306E4113801773AF1C86F5A7@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 19:29:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911e61f35281838542571 That looks lovely as well, Jim. Chris On 5 Nov 2008, at 17:28, Jim Nichols wrote: > > The Autumn colors continue to predominate in the Upper Mid-South, as > elsewhere. This is a morning shot of the neighborhood colors. > > Oly E-510, Zuiko 14-54, ISO 400, RAW, processed in Elements 6.0 > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/The+Neighborhood.tif.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 19:31:33 2008 Received: (qmail 13080 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 18:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 18:31:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDA6C3A45; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:31:19 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:31:19 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [207.115.11.55]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0E0C4360 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:31:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20081105183117H0500ce4qie>; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:31:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <7CEE003BAC924226B382251700A2FB0B@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <69E72821306E4113801773AF1C86F5A7@jimnichols> <0C5DCB2D-1281-4FA8-A0A2-BBEF3CB63097@threeshoes.net> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:31:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 19:31:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911e685196591823421471 Thanks, Chris. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:29 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood > > That looks lovely as well, Jim. > > Chris > > On 5 Nov 2008, at 17:28, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> >> The Autumn colors continue to predominate in the Upper Mid-South, as >> elsewhere. This is a morning shot of the neighborhood colors. >> >> Oly E-510, Zuiko 14-54, ISO 400, RAW, processed in Elements 6.0 >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/The+Neighborhood.tif.html > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 19:51:15 2008 Received: (qmail 1943 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 18:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 18:51:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D44C2CE3; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:51:00 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:51:00 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F313C320C for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:50:53 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 11906 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 18:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 18:50:52 -0000 Message-ID: <4911EB0C.1090900@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:50:52 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <0D3A816B090543459EB6A88743CF74CA@Breedbeeld> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 19:51:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911eb23195131342116753 Reminds me of a baffling case I had about 1980. Back then I was the software support manager for a large scale mainframe timesharing complex with three CPUs occupying a 12,000 square foot machine room chock full of disks, printers, tapes and other equipment. One day one of the CPUs just froze up and required a reboot... something you just aren't supposed to do with main frames and especially a time sharing complex with many hundreds of terminals attached. It tends to tick off the users. But damned if it didn't happen again in a day or two. And then, over the next couple of weeks, it happened several more times. Not every day but enough to be very disconcerting. But it finally happened enough that we were able to notice that it always happened between 5:30 and 6:00. To make a long story short we finally figured out that the failure was tied to the incremental backup cycle which normally began at about 6:00. The tape operator would wheel a shopping basket sized cart of magnetic tapes past that CPU every night as he began to prepare for the 6:00 backup. If he happened to come close enough to the CPU a giant static spark would leap from the front of the cart (out of his view) to the cover and frame of the afflicted CPU. Not a good thing but normally not harmful if the CPU was properly grounded. But it wasn't grounded and the big static spark would kill it instantly. As it turned out the CPU had been serviced recently and the servicing engineer had forgotten to reattach the frame ground strap after removing it during the servicing. Sometimes it takes some good luck as well as good detective work to ferret out the source of a problem. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > >At least until the cat decides to go and sit on the >> keyboard. The laptop gets very unstable by then ;-) > > > > Years ago, I worked software technical support. These were the days before > the x386 processor and most PCs were less than stable in a high RF or static > environment. We provided scheduling/billing software systems to radio > stations. > > One day, I got a phone call and was told that the computer just went nuts > and there was gibberish typed on the screen. Another day she called and the > printer started printing reports all on its own. Later on, she calls back > and the computer has more gibberish typed on the screen. On it goes for > three weeks. > > This was, of course, a classic example of RF Interference wrecking havoc > with the computer. I had seen this happen dozens of times and the symptoms > were nearly identical. Within the industry, we just call it "RF". > > We tried everything to recreate the problem, to no avail. I had the station > engineer do various things, had him check grounding and shielding, etc. We > even took the station off the air! (He insisted that they didn't actually > broadcast from that location, but from five miles away--which was > technically correct, but a TV station did broadcast from a tower not 600 > feet away). > > I was absolutely insistant that it was RF Interference, and the chief > Engineer was equally insistant that it wasn't. > > This went every day, at various times of day, for almost three weeks. > > Then one day I get the call. "Ken, you are absolutely correct. It was RF. > RF the cat!" The radio station had this stray cat that the DJs had fed and > it never left. It became the station cat. They named it "RF". > > Well, it was wintertime in Michigan and the cat sought out a warm spot to > sleep. The perfect location was on top of the computer monitor. It was > actually quite hilarious as the cat would get statically charged and the > hair would poof out like a sea urchin. (I saw this happen with a Himalayan > one time and that cat became the size of a rather large dog!) > > The lady running the computer had a horseshoe shaped desk where her computer > was on one side, the typewriter and telephone were on the other. The > telephone would ring, she'd turn around and answer it. It would be an > agency phoning in an order, so she'd load up the order form in the > typewriter and work away. A minute later, the computer behind her started > beeping, printing or doing something else. RF the cat would wake up, > stretch, jump down off the monitor ONTO THE KEYBOARD and then onto the > floor, exiting the room before she was aware of what had happened. > > It is amazing how you can be 100%, yet 100% wrong. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 7:17 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 19:54:37 2008 Received: (qmail 6269 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 18:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 18:54:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E99EC295B; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:54:19 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:54:19 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF4DC493E for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:53:07 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 13286 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 18:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 18:53:06 -0000 Message-ID: <4911EB92.1090208@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:53:06 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Singh Ray vario duo - first impressions References: <01bb01c87d82$f8649160$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <49103C2D.8060704@chucknorcutt.com> <7437417.30001225801738902.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <491045BD.4040702@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840811040459t65369c29pd870214a64676902@mail.gmail.com> <49104E9F.4060500@chucknorcutt.com> <901b226d0811041442u4a5af1cdra3beefa02e116561@mail.gmail.com> <4910D1B1.3070603@roadrunner.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081104180803.01144048@zuik.net> <901b226d0811050836q121d92cfi4fc89a46c9c6a8d2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <901b226d0811050836q121d92cfi4fc89a46c9c6a8d2@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 19:54:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911ebed268251529615919 Yes, that was a good link. Much better than the PhotoShop help file. Chuck Norcut "J. Van Brimmer" wrote: > Thank you, Richard & Wayne, I understand the principle of HDR now. > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:14 PM, WayneS wrote: >> At 05:50 PM 11/4/2008, Dickwrote: >>> "J. Van Brimmer" wrote: >>>> Okay, I'll humble myself and ask the dumb question. What are you guys >>>> talking about, what is HDR? >>> HDR - High Dynamic Range >>> http://tinyurl.com/o3kfo >> Often this is achieved by combining multiple exposures, but with todays >> digital cameras, getting close to 8-9 stops of range, where the histogram >> covers a wide range, can be processed with HDR techniques. >> >> The first HDR algorithm I studied was back in the 70's, called homomorphic >> signal processing. What it does is balanced the overall background exposure >> range while preserving detail. >> >> Here was one of my attempts at it: http://tinyurl.com/564b8y >> >> But today it is often associated with extreme processing of sorts. >> >> There are a lot of potential creative options for output. >> >> Photomatix was the standard used by many people, but PS CS4 >> can also do HDR blending. >> >> WayneS >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > -- > jv > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 7:17 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 20:05:48 2008 Received: (qmail 2189 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 19:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 19:05:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6022C4EE1; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:05:22 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:05:22 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE752C496C for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:03:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5E131411E for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B1E31411D for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:20:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4911EDF7.2040307@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:03:19 -0800 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081105-0, 11/05/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 20:05:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911ee8c117122336821329 > > Much too neat. Comes from living on a boat then moving into a small house. > He cheated. Yep. No apologies. > I've never known of any cat that *has* to do anything. Surely the cat > sits there by choice whether the other (sometimes) seat occupant likes > it or not. Yep, and no apologies from her either. > So, where do you actually do real work? Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 20:24:28 2008 Received: (qmail 4221 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 19:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 19:24:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A6BC4846; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:24:12 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:24:11 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077BBC4CDC for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:16:32 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 30422 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 19:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 19:16:31 -0000 Message-ID: <4911F10F.3020602@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:16:31 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood References: <69E72821306E4113801773AF1C86F5A7@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <69E72821306E4113801773AF1C86F5A7@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 20:24:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911f2ec68721744846740 Mighty purty trees y'all got there. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > The Autumn colors continue to predominate in the Upper Mid-South, as elsewhere. This is a morning shot of the neighborhood colors. > > Oly E-510, Zuiko 14-54, ISO 400, RAW, processed in Elements 6.0 > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/The+Neighborhood.tif.html > > Critiques and comments welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 7:17 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 20:45:06 2008 Received: (qmail 31794 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 19:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 19:45:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0B6C3639; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:44:50 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:44:50 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [204.127.217.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28F0C4526 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:26:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20081105192647H0100oa5ske>; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:26:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <69E72821306E4113801773AF1C86F5A7@jimnichols> <4911F10F.3020602@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:26:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 20:45:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911f7c261201838542571 Thanks, Chuck. Helps keep the spirits up, until I can get out and find more interesting subjects. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:16 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood > Mighty purty trees y'all got there. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> The Autumn colors continue to predominate in the Upper Mid-South, as >> elsewhere. This is a morning shot of the neighborhood colors. >> >> Oly E-510, Zuiko 14-54, ISO 400, RAW, processed in Elements 6.0 >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/The+Neighborhood.tif.html >> >> Critiques and comments welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 >> 7:17 AM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 20:50:20 2008 Received: (qmail 10939 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 19:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 19:50:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7765C32F2; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:49:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:49:48 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2E2C482E for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:30:37 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 8724 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 19:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 19:30:35 -0000 Message-ID: <4911F45B.2000102@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:30:35 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <4911EDF7.2040307@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <4911EDF7.2040307@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 20:50:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911f8fc167991234514069 Wow, it even has a vertical panel cutting saw and a giant table saw. Whatcha building? Chuck Norcutt Mike wrote: >> Much too neat. > Comes from living on a boat then moving into a small house. >> He cheated. > Yep. No apologies. >> I've never known of any cat that *has* to do anything. Surely the cat >> sits there by choice whether the other (sometimes) seat occupant likes >> it or not. > Yep, and no apologies from her either. >> So, where do you actually do real work? > > > > Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 20:50:46 2008 Received: (qmail 6558 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 19:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 19:50:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F9CC4766; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:50:27 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:50:26 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.165]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42EAC50D6 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:32:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from [212.54.34.136] (port=35911 helo=smtp5.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kxo7F-00080C-Io for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:32:33 +0100 Received: from 5353535c.cable.casema.nl ([83.83.83.92] helo=[192.168.1.107]) by smtp5.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kxo73-0003Vs-JO for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:32:21 +0100 Message-ID: <4911F538.3010703@wanadoo.nl> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:34:16 +0100 From: Maarten Schulte User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1Kxo73-0003Vs-JO X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.899, required 5, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60, CM_META_TB_NOARR 0.50) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: maarten.schulte@wanadoo.nl X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: maarten.schulte@wanadoo.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 20:50:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911f916158491529615919 Jeeeee might anyone out there be interested in a e510 and 14-54 zoom kit? It has hardley seen any use, with all these upgrades... :-). Maarten Ken Norton schreef: > NSURIT wrote: > >> Hmm, wonder what size film it takes? Most of my pin-hole work recently >> > has > >> been done with film. Doubt that I'll be jumping on the e-30 band wagon >> right away, although it does have some interest. It probably won't replace >> > my > >> Zero Image, 8banners, holga, diana,or soft focus lenses. Unlike underwear >> > and > >> socks, camera bodies don't need to be changed regularly. Don't tell the >> > Nik#n > >> and Can#n folks. The darkroom sink cabinet is being built this week. >> > I'll > >> be wet soon . . . shortly after New Years. <[B^) Bill Barber >> > > Bill, we need to schedule a digital-free Zuikofest gettogether. I > understand spring wildflowers are nice down your way. :) > > I'm not minding the aspect of camera systems being changed regularly. It > makes it a bit easier to acquire classic top-dog stuff in perfect condition. > > BTW, a VERY interesting thing happened. I shot a recent wedding where about > 1/5 of the presented pictures in the proof book were from the OM-4Ti, shot > on Delta 400. Guess which pictures are getting the most attention? Yup, > you guessed it--film. They truely look different from the digital stuff, > and it isn't just monochrome vs color, it's "presence", 3D'ness and > "warmth". This isn't crop-factor related either--we're talking about images > shot with wide-angles, stopped down to F8-11 in many instances. > > The look is distinctly different enough that I'm tempted to go film for > senior pictures for a while. Portra 160NC is so good and it scans so well > giving skintones we kill for. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 20:51:14 2008 Received: (qmail 20890 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 19:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 19:51:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4C3C4AE7; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:50:56 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:50:56 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA7CC3A48 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:33:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.c79.467095bc (34904) for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Webmail-mg11 (webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.159]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA021-88584911f4f99e; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:33:13 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Best focusing screen for low-light / shallow DOF Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:33:13 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com (64.12.142.159) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:33:13 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0D947A760D87-CFC-304@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 20:51:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911f93231771529615919 Oh, One other option not mentioned is the Brightscreen---pricey jobbies. I mostly use a 2-13 beautifully scribed by John in my 4T. I think part of a tab need to snipped to fit some OM's. I remember Jeff K. tried a Brightscreen in his 5D to try and use some slower Zuikos and found it an improvement but not great. Some of the methods used to brighten the screen lose some of the out of focus cues. Brightscreen is said to mostly avoid this but how well that works on OM, I don't know. Others may have tried them. Katzeye screens are said to be superb, but they never made one for OM or the 5D for that matter. Rachel finally said they have a FF screen developed but it just wasn't cost effective to market. http://brightscreenstore.com/store/index.php?main_page=page&id=4 OM is available---suspect the modest metering issues are about the same as the 2-series Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 20:51:49 2008 Received: (qmail 21250 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 19:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 19:51:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE94BC4BD7; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:51:18 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:51:18 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62053C3F15 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:34:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6112.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4AB9D1C00087 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:34:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6112.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 14B021C00086 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:34:52 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081105193452848.14B021C00086@mwinf6112.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:35:29 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <7CEE003BAC924226B382251700A2FB0B@jimnichols> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 20:51:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911f95516291234514069 Great explosion of colors! Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Jim Nichols > Verzonden: woensdag 5 november 2008 19:31 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood > > > > Thanks, Chris. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Barker" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:29 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood > > > > > > That looks lovely as well, Jim. > > > > Chris > > > > On 5 Nov 2008, at 17:28, Jim Nichols wrote: > > > >> > >> The Autumn colors continue to predominate in the Upper > Mid-South, as > >> elsewhere. This is a morning shot of the neighborhood colors. > >> > >> Oly E-510, Zuiko 14-54, ISO 400, RAW, processed in Elements 6.0 > >> > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/The+Neighborhood.tif.html > > > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 20:52:02 2008 Received: (qmail 5633 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 19:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 19:52:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E836C47CB; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:51:33 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:51:33 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9225FC2E0B for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:37:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6112.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 813621C00086 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:37:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6112.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 393561C00084 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:37:34 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081105193734234.393561C00084@mwinf6112.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:38:11 +0100 Message-ID: <4F2AE5C6841A471CB6FBDE1E096F4FF2@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4911EB0C.1090900@chucknorcutt.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 20:52:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911f96299021702588592 That sure is enough to make any support staff sweat! Good find! > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Chuck Norcutt > Verzonden: woensdag 5 november 2008 19:51 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom > > > Reminds me of a baffling case I had about 1980. Back then I was the > software support manager for a large scale mainframe > timesharing complex > with three CPUs occupying a 12,000 square foot machine room > chock full > of disks, printers, tapes and other equipment. One day one > of the CPUs > just froze up and required a reboot... something you just aren't > supposed to do with main frames and especially a time sharing complex > with many hundreds of terminals attached. It tends to tick off the > users. But damned if it didn't happen again in a day or two. > And then, > over the next couple of weeks, it happened several more times. Not > every day but enough to be very disconcerting. But it > finally happened > enough that we were able to notice that it always happened > between 5:30 > and 6:00. > > To make a long story short we finally figured out that the > failure was > tied to the incremental backup cycle which normally began at > about 6:00. > The tape operator would wheel a shopping basket sized cart > of magnetic > tapes past that CPU every night as he began to prepare for the 6:00 > backup. If he happened to come close enough to the CPU a > giant static > spark would leap from the front of the cart (out of his view) to the > cover and frame of the afflicted CPU. Not a good thing but > normally not > harmful if the CPU was properly grounded. But it wasn't grounded and > the big static spark would kill it instantly. As it turned > out the CPU > had been serviced recently and the servicing engineer had > forgotten to > reattach the frame ground strap after removing it during the > servicing. > > Sometimes it takes some good luck as well as good detective work to > ferret out the source of a problem. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > Ken Norton wrote: > > >At least until the cat decides to go and sit on the > >> keyboard. The laptop gets very unstable by then ;-) > > > > > > > > Years ago, I worked software technical support. These were the days > > before the x386 processor and most PCs were less than > stable in a high > > RF or static environment. We provided scheduling/billing software > > systems to radio stations. > > > > One day, I got a phone call and was told that the computer > just went > > nuts and there was gibberish typed on the screen. Another day she > > called and the printer started printing reports all on its > own. Later > > on, she calls back and the computer has more gibberish typed on the > > screen. On it goes for three weeks. > > > > This was, of course, a classic example of RF Interference wrecking > > havoc with the computer. I had seen this happen dozens of > times and > > the symptoms were nearly identical. Within the industry, > we just call > > it "RF". > > > > We tried everything to recreate the problem, to no avail. > I had the > > station engineer do various things, had him check grounding and > > shielding, etc. We even took the station off the air! (He > insisted > > that they didn't actually broadcast from that location, but > from five > > miles away--which was technically correct, but a TV station did > > broadcast from a tower not 600 feet away). > > > > I was absolutely insistant that it was RF Interference, and > the chief > > Engineer was equally insistant that it wasn't. > > > > This went every day, at various times of day, for almost > three weeks. > > > > Then one day I get the call. "Ken, you are absolutely correct. It > > was RF. RF the cat!" The radio station had this stray cat that the > > DJs had fed and it never left. It became the station cat. > They named > > it "RF". > > > > Well, it was wintertime in Michigan and the cat sought out > a warm spot > > to sleep. The perfect location was on top of the computer > monitor. > > It was actually quite hilarious as the cat would get statically > > charged and the hair would poof out like a sea urchin. (I saw this > > happen with a Himalayan one time and that cat became the size of a > > rather large dog!) > > > > The lady running the computer had a horseshoe shaped desk where her > > computer was on one side, the typewriter and telephone were on the > > other. The telephone would ring, she'd turn around and > answer it. It > > would be an agency phoning in an order, so she'd load up the order > > form in the typewriter and work away. A minute later, the computer > > behind her started beeping, printing or doing something > else. RF the > > cat would wake up, stretch, jump down off the monitor ONTO THE > > KEYBOARD and then onto the floor, exiting the room before she was > > aware of what had happened. > > > > It is amazing how you can be 100%, yet 100% wrong. > > > > AG > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release > Date: 11/5/2008 7:17 AM > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 20:52:07 2008 Received: (qmail 28942 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 19:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 19:52:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AB8C3406; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:51:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:51:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6960C4EAC for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:41:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6112.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B82271C00084 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:41:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6112.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 85D531C00081 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:41:45 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081105194145548.85D531C00081@mwinf6112.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:42:22 +0100 Message-ID: <7F6216DAEBB94A0BB3569C5A009D8324@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <685975.32404.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 20:52:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911f96765571234514069 Wow, that's too good an offer to refuse. I do not have an adrress in the US though. Anyone prepared to buy one extra (you can claim max. 3 per household) I will pay the full amount up front and you can deduct your shipping costs and some extra from the rebate you pay back. I can use Paypal both ways. Anyone? Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens AS > Verzonden: woensdag 5 november 2008 19:26 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Lexar 4gb CF Deal > > > > http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/IM20634&t=PG01/ > > $3.99 after rebate. > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 20:56:31 2008 Received: (qmail 7124 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 19:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 19:56:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6557CC28D4; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:56:19 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:56:19 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC3AC286D for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:56:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 9322BD3EJB for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:56:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:56:17 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:56:16 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4911F45B.2000102@chucknorcutt.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Thread-Index: Ack/f7q46JqItvdSRxGmw9j2ruVuvgAAMMQg From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2008 19:56:17.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[90C01140:01C93F80] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 20:56:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4911fa6f179751946193717 I believe Mike does custom cabinetry work. Wish I could afford him. I'm close enough that we could make it happen.... -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Chuck Norcutt Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 11:31 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom Wow, it even has a vertical panel cutting saw and a giant table saw. Whatcha building? Chuck Norcutt Mike wrote: >> Much too neat. > Comes from living on a boat then moving into a small house. >> He cheated. > Yep. No apologies. >> I've never known of any cat that *has* to do anything. Surely the >> cat >> sits there by choice whether the other (sometimes) seat occupant likes >> it or not. > Yep, and no apologies from her either. >> So, where do you actually do real work? > > > > Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood > > Great explosion of colors! > > Wiliam > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr >> [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Jim Nichols >> Verzonden: woensdag 5 november 2008 19:31 >> Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Onderwerp: [OM] Re: IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood >> >> >> >> Thanks, Chris. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Barker" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:29 PM >> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Autumn View of The Neighborhood >> >> >> > >> > That looks lovely as well, Jim. >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > On 5 Nov 2008, at 17:28, Jim Nichols wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> The Autumn colors continue to predominate in the Upper >> Mid-South, as >> >> elsewhere. This is a morning shot of the neighborhood colors. >> >> >> >> Oly E-510, Zuiko 14-54, ISO 400, RAW, processed in Elements 6.0 >> >> >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/The+Neighborhood.tif.html >> > >> > >> > >> > ============================================== >> > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> > ============================================== >> > >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 21:31:32 2008 Received: (qmail 1869 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 20:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 20:31:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7375C2D0F; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:31:20 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:31:20 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.67]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id C79A1C31BF for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:31:18 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 16281 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2008 20:31:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=MYeHT+8TXDa/TtZPKhEIESsHEIUtcFzQcPwunH1DdbcYOI+aoqSkR/PEhC5eJlWOxJFzeAgqzGpjWoQKJ0XUAJlCz3iWG++d8g4bmmm4aGBjTUHmXjavD/neECLLBrX4gZb5ydnvgskCFaSEYmh7AX9CAteKiUZU5BCVGUcEz7E=; X-YMail-OSG: yPucz5kVM1mEMo6eYCR0TDOrhGVSk9DP58zatk7EfgRc3gUE.rrDmnfhleNBOOHgnEIGVT18KTKRVh0s33DeV7mLSugDjDrfIw0hLaN8TMIaKZQSJZ.VaC4PryPke6aXXVhTik.dN27HZuAPsqlFKX_ufPlSTGyCuvOXLWcpZDfdPwg4E9zOvf2WNvL.tUvzkHezM.7_wtBPElQ- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:31:18 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:31:18 -0800 (PST) From: AS Subject: [OM] [OT] FS items per a friends request To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <2114C1E440314ECEA0402F3A68462065@jimnichols> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <55190.16111.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 21:31:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491202a4304542046811720 Apologies in advance if I am totally out of line here. A friend is selling a couple of Canyon goodies and asked if I could post them to the list. She is a professional photographer and highly respected. If you are interested, shoot me an email and I will send you her contact info. Here they are: Canon EOS 40D - MINT CONDITION, w/2GB card and Tamrac neckstrap For sale is a hardly used, mint condition Canon 40D. Way less than 10K clicks. No scratches, dust, or signs of wear. Included are: Box, all accessories and software (original meckstrap, cables, chargers, CDs, most are unopened) SanDisk Extreme III 2GB CF card Tamrac Neoprene neckstrap (with CF card holders built in) Comes from a non-smoking, pet-free home. Asking $700.00 + shipping. Also: Canon 70-200 f/2.8L IS Lens Mint condition, used maybe 5 times. About 1.5 years old. No signs of wear, no marks, no dust, nothing Date code is UV0315 Asking $1475.00 Photos available here: http://buffalo.craigslist.org/pho/905161945.html http://buffalo.craigslist.org/pho/905158446.html (she listed on local c-list) USA buyers preferred. Accepting check or money order. Serious inquiries only please. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 21:46:38 2008 Received: (qmail 30305 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 20:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 20:46:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C6DC3DA6; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:46:27 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:46:27 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mxsf05.insightbb.com (mxsf05.insightbb.com [74.128.0.75]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30919C2A8C for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:46:25 +0100 (CET) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,552,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="548559978" Received: from unknown (HELO asav01.insightbb.com) ([172.31.249.124]) by mxsf05.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 05 Nov 2008 15:46:24 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah8BAJuUEUmsH/l8/2dsb2JhbAAIgj8yyReDUw Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.manage.insightcom.com) ([172.31.249.124]) by asav01.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 05 Nov 2008 15:46:24 -0500 Received: from insightbb.com ([172.31.249.124]) by mta2.manage.insightcom.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K9V001Z3ODBF540@mta2.manage.insightcom.com> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:46:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.31.249.204] (Forwarded-For: [172.31.249.204]) by msb0.manage.insightcom.com (mshttpd); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:46:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:46:23 -0500 From: Robert Burnette Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] FS items per a friends request In-reply-to: <55190.16111.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <2114C1E440314ECEA0402F3A68462065@jimnichols> <55190.16111.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: r.burnette@insightbb.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 21:46:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912062e311331234514069 Wow! Do you think she's about to reverse the trend on this list and switch to Olympus?  ;o) Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: AS Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 15:31 Subject: [OM] [OT] FS items per a friends request To: olympus@ml.free.fr > > Apologies in advance if I am totally out of line here. A friend > is selling a couple of Canyon goodies and asked if I could post > them to the list. > She is a professional photographer and highly respected. If you > are interested, shoot me an email and I will send you her > contact info. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 21:55:41 2008 Received: (qmail 16217 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 20:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 20:55:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB39C39CA; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:55:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:55:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F66C3EEE for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:55:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.bf3.44ad3d61 (37047) for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from Webmail-mg11 (webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.159]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB035-90b74912083b38a; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:55:23 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] What 'da think of the new Sony AW vs the Lenovo? Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:55:23 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com (64.12.142.159) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:55:23 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0D9FF4F3D093-CFC-8A0@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 21:55:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912084d270563675314703 I hope my lap never really gets large enough for either, but the Sony really is only a tad larger than the Levovo and has a sleeker design. It covers the full A RGB gamut vs ?72% NTSC on the Lenovo. The Lenovo has the included color calibration that is supposed to be quick and the built in tablet--never used one. The Lenovo has more choices to configure it and more ports and it doesn't have to use 64 bit Vista and can be outfitted quad core for a punishing price. Perhaps the LED back lit beautiful display (same as Bravia LCD TV) trumps all? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0808/08081204thinkpad.asp http://tinyurl.com/4ov65f ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 22:22:10 2008 Received: (qmail 14952 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 21:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 21:22:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2EF7C3AFC; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:21:58 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:21:58 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.68]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id D1A69C38C4 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:21:57 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 33980 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2008 21:21:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ZPqz53AiiORz79uONf39aZ/+Xz2fIfgp5sbzNnm1wVDPUnZoZobLWfYjWUn8xA0JaKqQIeq95NHygLdlMXWqzXGB9LpGh57e+YzHhhG/f09GYwvDlBWC33J7OODtctsSElM67t/jAf0dyASzrAI4AXInTyPyhV+ADRbKGJHV9Kw=; X-YMail-OSG: u.zxjw4VM1nqa78Lo7xHTNxygWeGGzRTPiI5yKfWYBSJcaxRabVJN5s7396cX77MViOsORSLXVhrKy1Jn4XahkbzWqD24v35LZLigeiUzLxux_LLAJqWEJSeBB_GVxNpFRpam77eKQ1.Cydy4dfOVYpNeEMQYR8RIAJHq7vZyY1W0sWYK0lMe90ZuGHSIrZYvpH01McJWNOF0GI- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:21:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:21:56 -0800 (PST) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] FS items per a friends request To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <30169.33793.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 22:22:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49120e82217481585427447 I doubt it! She's heavily into canyon...bought a 50d. --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Robert Burnette wrote: > From: Robert Burnette > Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] FS items per a friends request > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 3:46 PM > Wow! Do you think she's about to reverse the trend on > this list and switch to Olympus?  ;o) > > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: AS > Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 15:31 > Subject: [OM] [OT] FS items per a friends request > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > > > > > Apologies in advance if I am totally out of line here. > A friend > > is selling a couple of Canyon goodies and asked if I > could post > > them to the list. > > She is a professional photographer and highly > respected. If you > > are interested, shoot me an email and I will send you > her > > contact info. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 22:50:53 2008 Received: (qmail 5345 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 21:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 21:50:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB917C2FAF; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:50:41 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:50:41 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 92D18C2940 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:50:39 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 28323 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 21:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 21:50:36 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <256D03C3-DAD3-47F5-A587-0D5D2EDE3BBB@threeshoes.net> References: <9f07ac840811050038i14de3840id96cb39c0046589d@mail.gmail.com> <1C061B10-F2E4-42D1-9224-BE1C610DD3C2@people.net.au> <256D03C3-DAD3-47F5-A587-0D5D2EDE3BBB@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <879E7296-11C8-43C5-AAEC-0864A7948CE9@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Scanner Was: Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:50:33 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 22:50:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912153d185934673671140 I just did. Price was too good to ignore. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/11/2008, at 5:08 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > That's only the MacBook and MacBook Air. You can still buy a white MB > with FW. > > Chris > > On 5 Nov 2008, at 09:30, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> >> New Macs don't even have Firewire! >> Andrew Fildes ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 23:00:22 2008 Received: (qmail 32760 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 22:00:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 22:00:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A28C3141; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:00:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:00:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 6911AC2DF7 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:00:09 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 30556 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 22:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 22:00:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <2114C1E440314ECEA0402F3A68462065@jimnichols> <55190.16111.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <941F1149-035B-4C1C-954D-9772110662EE@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] FS items per a friends request Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:00:04 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 23:00:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49121776244561838542571 No, it's a 'pet-free' home - she wouldn't qualify. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/11/2008, at 7:46 AM, Robert Burnette wrote: > > Wow! Do you think she's about to reverse the trend on this list and > switch to Olympus? ;o) > > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: AS > Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 15:31 > Subject: [OM] [OT] FS items per a friends request > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > >> >> Apologies in advance if I am totally out of line here. A friend >> is selling a couple of Canyon goodies and asked if I could post >> them to the list. >> She is a professional photographer and highly respected. If you >> are interested, shoot me an email and I will send you her >> contact info. > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 23:08:25 2008 Received: (qmail 32139 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 22:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 22:08:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D08CC2822; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:08:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:08:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D7BC33B7 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:08:12 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 9562 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 22:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 22:01:26 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081105163813.01153788@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:01:19 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder In-Reply-To: <8CB0CF7E8CD6AEE-C4-1666@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB0CF7E8CD6AEE-C4-1666@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 23:08:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912195956151257536491 I'm behind on the discussion... Custom diopter for the camera won't work with astigmatism unless one never frames vertically. I remember some discussion many moons ago on this list that the eye relief on the OM's can be improved by getting a negative diopter and re-adjusting the camera diopter. This will reduce the viewfinder image a bit and work better with glasses. Hence I tend to use a -1 to -3 diopter on the camera to help accommodate my glasses. Viewfinder image, even if one uses auto-focus cameras, is still very important, and being able to see it clearly is one of the most important considerations I use for picking a camera. I remember I hesitated a long time on the E-1 due to the smaller image size. The E-1 turned out to have a pretty good viewfinder. Whatever you discover, getting it right for you is very important. If I can't see what I'm photographing, I might as well shoot from the hip. I really don't see an alternative to corrective glasses, Only try to make the camera behave the best for wearing glasses. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 23:10:06 2008 Received: (qmail 162 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 22:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 22:10:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE58C34FC; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:09:55 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:09:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B17C34C0 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:09:53 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 14486 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 22:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 22:09:50 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081105170907.01157038@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:09:40 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] US Elections In-Reply-To: <19C68CC7-4ADF-4F29-B349-E9753075CD75@people.net.au> References: <855913.15546.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19C68CC7-4ADF-4F29-B349-E9753075CD75@people.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 23:10:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491219be302801838542571 I'm just glad the launch codes are still in safe hands. WayneS At 12:53 AM 11/5/2008, you wrote: >Been there, done that, sent it to friends with voting rights... >Neat bit of campaigning in countries where getting the vote out is a >problem. >Andrew Fildes >afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 23:42:09 2008 Received: (qmail 14706 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 22:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 22:42:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE170C2AF8; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:41:56 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:41:56 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6D7C3824 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:41:55 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 3065 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 22:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 22:41:53 -0000 Message-ID: <49122131.3020402@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:41:53 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] FS items per a friends request References: <55190.16111.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <55190.16111.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 23:42:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912214145283675314703 I'm not in the market but you might tell her that, with Canon's current rebates, you can buy a new 70-200 2.8L IS with warranty from B&H for $1574 or $99 more than her asking price. Chuck Norcutt AS wrote: > Apologies in advance if I am totally out of line here. A friend is selling a couple of Canyon goodies and asked if I could post them to the list. > She is a professional photographer and highly respected. If you are interested, shoot me an email and I will send you her contact info. > > Here they are: > > Canon EOS 40D - MINT CONDITION, w/2GB card and Tamrac neckstrap > > For sale is a hardly used, mint condition Canon 40D. Way less than 10K clicks. No scratches, dust, or signs of wear. > > Included are: > Box, all accessories and software (original meckstrap, cables, chargers, CDs, most are unopened) > SanDisk Extreme III 2GB CF card > Tamrac Neoprene neckstrap (with CF card holders built in) > Comes from a non-smoking, pet-free home. > > Asking $700.00 + shipping. > > Also: > > Canon 70-200 f/2.8L IS Lens > > Mint condition, used maybe 5 times. > > About 1.5 years old. > > No signs of wear, no marks, no dust, nothing > > Date code is UV0315 > > Asking $1475.00 > > Photos available here: > > http://buffalo.craigslist.org/pho/905161945.html > > http://buffalo.craigslist.org/pho/905158446.html > > (she listed on local c-list) > > > USA buyers preferred. Accepting check or money order. 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Bush's??????????????????? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 23:43:24 2008 Received: (qmail 11052 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 22:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 22:43:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38DEC385D; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:43:12 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:43:12 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 14811C2E49 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:43:11 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 13530 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 22:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 22:43:08 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081105170907.01157038@zuik.net> References: <855913.15546.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19C68CC7-4ADF-4F29-B349-E9753075CD75@people.net.au> <7.0.1.0.2.20081105170907.01157038@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <448F238F-57B9-43F4-9526-FA84AFD10377@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] US Elections Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:43:05 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 23:43:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912218c49602336821329 And whose would those be? Who has the briefcase? I saw 'Burn after Reading' recently. I'm a big fan of the Coens as they present a consistent Stoic philosophy. I love the depiction of the CIA operatives in it, especially the senior exec. played by J.K. Simmons. They don't have any more idea than the rest of us as to what's going on - they just try and react intelligently. Apply that across the board. That's got the ring of truth to it. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/11/2008, at 9:09 AM, WayneS wrote: > I'm just glad the launch codes are still in safe hands. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Nov 5 23:58:02 2008 Received: (qmail 4775 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 22:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 22:58:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A11EC3B19; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:57:49 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:57:48 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022FDC298C for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:52:24 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 9223 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 22:52:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 22:52:23 -0000 Message-ID: <491223A7.8030102@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:52:23 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder References: <8CB0CF7E8CD6AEE-C4-1666@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081105163813.01153788@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081105163813.01153788@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 5 23:58:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491224fa291171234514069 Ooops! I forgot about that problem. Thanks for reminding me. More news. I returned to the optics shop today where they verified that the glasses conformed to the prescription. Now I have an appointment on Saturday to find out why the left correction isn't spot on like the right. I also discovered that the reading portion of the bifocals seems to be wrong as well. With the left eye the sharpest image is found at 12". With the right eye the distance is 16" which is what it should be. And this is supposedly the best shop in town... well, at least the most expensive. Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > I'm behind on the discussion... > > Custom diopter for the camera won't work with astigmatism unless > one never frames vertically. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 00:29:32 2008 Received: (qmail 23630 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 23:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 23:29:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DB8C2CC4; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:29:21 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:29:21 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7A3C3400 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:29:21 +0100 (CET) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so267033wfd.5 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:29:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/dVgkpJbQI+xjgQ0Rxr4nvRO8YLml0PdXE+aK3gwqjE=; b=VFCRw3IWmPkI+6zv6YUYKdWPVbhOsWh3g6iF7nvvjRcHl9ZljgBPkZx8TXQKebiNro hIti2U/+vc9YuRjKPpTk6lo9eAvD9aaXD8ahobKmg7grePUxtBNKG30T7HKNsmW1sfPr t3ZoVeQHqhVHuJ9NmbIOgWgflsKev6EEKlRqk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AmQDhpN9+7uHhz9WDnEg3tpdAgNtO2F7C7ZphnyGVYaYm7WpgA7Ve20ddc1BvIwTaB JpOZKmOg1zCdKi3Uei44Z1JWrVY68SeXVhgpyYPXH1ELFWLP5YHX82Lu9q1JMyEOPqlp zRmJmz+8dYmnrIvQ3jZ8EXVI+4Y22dJ47A8Bc= Received: by 10.142.162.5 with SMTP id k5mr84633wfe.199.1225927760264; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:29:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-189-181.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.189.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm803642wfc.12.2008.11.05.15.29.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:29:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49122C4B.3070303@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:29:15 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 00:29:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49122c5c216121499373980 NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > ... It probably won't replace my > Zero Image, 8banners, holga, diana,or soft focus lenses. > ... Bill, I saw this new item from Japan, and I thought of you: http://joshspear.com/item/blackbird-fly-tlr-camera/ Actually, I thought of me first, but then, I promise, I thought of you. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 00:32:24 2008 Received: (qmail 29513 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 23:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 23:32:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDE3C345F; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:32:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:32:13 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B5EC2889 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:32:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d5d.27a226c8 (37555) for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from Webmail-mg11 (webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.159]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB034-92b349122cf5286; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:32:05 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:32:05 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com (64.12.142.159) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:32:05 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0DB5D9291213-CFC-12BA@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 00:32:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49122d08210061702588592 Well it appears Chuck may or may not have focus limiting astig. He did mention use of the Viv S1 90 or Zuiko 50 3.5 for macro. If it turns out that astig is limiting and a separate solution for macro is desired, why not have separate eyecups with a custom diopter for horizontal and vertical formats? Macro is never quick anyway (YMMV). Here is another eyecup that can accommodate a diopter but I don't think the retailer is that great. I distinctly dislike spectacle use with OM etc, but that may just be me. Mike http://tinyurl.com/7ukb9 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 00:46:47 2008 Received: (qmail 2498 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 23:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 23:46:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAD8C2CF0; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:46:36 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:46:36 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FC3C2BEE for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:46:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d30.41ca6e05 (65100) for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:46:27 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:46:27 EST Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 00:46:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912306796391993019900 Looks pretty cool to me, and the negative is pretty small. Bill Barber In a message dated 11/5/2008 5:29:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, montsnmags@gmail.com writes: NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > ... It probably won't replace my > Zero Image, 8banners, holga, diana,or soft focus lenses. > ... Bill, I saw this new item from Japan, and I thought of you: http://joshspear.com/item/blackbird-fly-tlr-camera/ Actually, I thought of me first, but then, I promise, I thought of you. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 00:53:18 2008 Received: (qmail 14764 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 23:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 23:53:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CECBEC2E69; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:53:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:53:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81403C27B9 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:53:05 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 1716 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2008 23:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2008 23:53:03 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081105184837.01194ec8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:52:53 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 00:53:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491231ee144862046811720 At 11:49 AM 11/5/2008, AG wrote: >...BTW, a VERY interesting thing happened. I shot a recent wedding where about >1/5 of the presented pictures in the proof book were from the OM-4Ti, shot >on Delta 400. Guess which pictures are getting the most attention? Yup, >you guessed it--film. They truly look different from the digital stuff, >and it isn't just monochrome vs color, it's "presence", 3D'ness and >"warmth". This isn't crop-factor related either--we're talking about images >shot with wide-angles, stopped down to F8-11 in many instances. I'm sure the bloke behind the camera had nothing to do with it. It was surely only the fact it was film. The bloke has no presence.... after all. :-) WayneS - photography-photographer-subject are one. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 01:03:46 2008 Received: (qmail 27640 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 00:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 00:03:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DEEC3033; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:03:34 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:03:34 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC6BC2F34 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:03:32 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 6145 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2008 00:01:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2008 00:01:48 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081105185738.02274da0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:01:38 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom In-Reply-To: <4911EB0C.1090900@chucknorcutt.com> References: <0D3A816B090543459EB6A88743CF74CA@Breedbeeld> <4911EB0C.1090900@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 01:03:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49123462202462046811720 At 01:50 PM 11/5/2008, you wrote: >Reminds me of a baffling case I had about 1980.... > >Chuck Norcutt One of the things I like about debugging. There is a flurry of myths and suppositions, posturing and superstitions. Then reality emerges....through unbiased detective work. Often a very humbling experience. Great story. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 01:34:25 2008 Received: (qmail 1086 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 00:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 00:34:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AACDC3DF8; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:34:12 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:34:12 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E69C3D5B for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:34:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081106003412.DVYZ4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:34:12 -0500 Received: from eastrmwml11 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id bcaB1a0024h0NJL02caBJd; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:34:11 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wy-H0fQNuMcA:10 a=T3WOODXjElYA:10 a=MVvEs0e/mCFcUfn3nL6Xlw==:17 a=bbtC-nftAAAA:8 a=FT6kpCnBAAAA:20 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=gTsy76OyW5mwaK1hcO0A:9 a=0mzt5033EkmPOh3ZTLy8T0g17nwA:4 a=4MWaA0oI-9YA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Received: from 68.229.81.220 by webmail.east.cox.net; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:34:11 -0500 Message-ID: <20081105193411.U5S3M.108748.imail@eastrmwml11> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:34:11 -0500 From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What 'da think of the new Sony AW vs the Lenovo? In-Reply-To: <8CB0D9FF4F3D093-CFC-8A0@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pschings@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 01:34:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49123b91215311073733319 I can't speak for this particular model, but I've used nothing but Thinkpad laptops for at least the past 10 years. I have 4 of them here at my place right now. Over all that time and at least a dozen different machines, the only failure I've ever had was an LCD backlight that finally gave out. I don't xactly baby them either. They are as close to indestructible as you can get short of something that's been industrially hardened. My only real complaint - they last so long most of them have had the stenciling on the keys wear off. You can pick up replacement keyboards for $20-$30 on ebay, though. Paul Schings ---- usher99@aol.com wrote: > > I hope my lap never really gets large enough for either, but the Sony > really is only a tad larger than the Levovo and has a sleeker design. > It covers the full A RGB gamut vs ?72% NTSC on the Lenovo. The Lenovo > has the included color calibration that is supposed to be quick and the > built in tablet--never used one. The Lenovo has more choices to > configure it and more ports and it doesn't have to use 64 bit Vista and > can be outfitted quad core for a punishing price. Perhaps the LED back > lit beautiful display (same as Bravia LCD TV) trumps all? > > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0808/08081204thinkpad.asp > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/4ov65f > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 01:43:52 2008 Received: (qmail 29012 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 00:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 00:43:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E707C3FAD; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:43:41 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:43:41 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754CCC3F73 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:43:40 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 4827 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2008 00:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2008 00:43:38 -0000 Message-ID: <49123DBA.70501@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:43:38 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Dealing with astigmatism through the viewfinder References: <8CB0DB5D9291213-CFC-12BA@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB0DB5D9291213-CFC-12BA@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 01:43:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49123dc8109351946193717 These are a simple slip on without the grip barbs found at the bottom of a real Canon eyecup. Just like the OM's they just as easily slip off and get lost. There are lots of very inexpensive Canon eyecups to be found on ebay but most do not have provision for a dioptric correction lens. Some may but it's difficult to tell. I used one of the cheap teardrop shaped cups for quite a while but lost it on the trip. The snap on frame stayed on the camera but the rubber cup pulled of the frame... probably when I put the camera into the backpack. The eyecup can drag over the edge and pop off the frame. Next time I'll have to glue the rubber to the frame. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Well it appears Chuck may or may not have focus limiting astig. He did > mention use of the Viv S1 90 or Zuiko 50 3.5 for macro. If it turns > out that astig is limiting and a separate solution for macro is > desired, why not have separate eyecups with a custom diopter for > horizontal and vertical formats? Macro is never quick anyway (YMMV). > Here is another eyecup that can accommodate a diopter but I don't think > the retailer is that great. > I distinctly dislike spectacle use with OM etc, but that may just be me. > Mike > > > http://tinyurl.com/7ukb9 > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 7:17 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 01:50:10 2008 Received: (qmail 15663 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 00:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 00:50:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE796C326B; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:49:58 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:49:58 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9399C319C for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:49:45 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 7934 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2008 00:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2008 00:49:43 -0000 Message-ID: <49123F27.3010202@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:49:43 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 References: <49122C4B.3070303@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49122C4B.3070303@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 01:50:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49123f42310011342116753 100 bucks? There are all sorts of real 2-1/4 twin lens reflex cameras going on ebay for 100 bucks or even much less. How about a Mamiya C330? Chuck Norcutt montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > NSURIT@aol.com wrote: >> ... It probably won't replace my >> Zero Image, 8banners, holga, diana,or soft focus lenses. > > ... > > Bill, I saw this new item from Japan, and I thought of you: > > http://joshspear.com/item/blackbird-fly-tlr-camera/ > > Actually, I thought of me first, but then, I promise, I thought of you. > > Cheers, > Marc > Noosa Heads, Oz > http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 01:55:24 2008 Received: (qmail 5508 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 00:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 00:55:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C908DC2DB0; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:55:12 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:55:12 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599ABC3C7C for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:55:12 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 11040 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2008 00:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2008 00:55:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4912406F.8040909@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:55:11 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <0D3A816B090543459EB6A88743CF74CA@Breedbeeld> <4911EB0C.1090900@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081105185738.02274da0@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081105185738.02274da0@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 01:55:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912407c290741470116606 I have more of them. :-) Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: Great story. > > WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 02:12:53 2008 Received: (qmail 4895 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 01:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 01:12:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4A9C4047; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:12:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:12:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4F2C3E18 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:12:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.102]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA61CcsL029868 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:12:38 +1100 Message-Id: <200811060112.mA61CcsL029868@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:12:38 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:12:38 +1100 Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 02:12:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912449577051342116753 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > 100 bucks? There are all sorts of real 2-1/4 twin lens reflex cameras > going on ebay for 100 bucks or even much less. How about a Mamiya C330? > Yeah, but they don't come in bright orange ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 02:34:37 2008 Received: (qmail 22827 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 01:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 01:34:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA9DC2D41; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:34:24 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:34:24 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.184]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5698C2BE1 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:34:23 +0100 (CET) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w1so266977mue.9 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:34:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=N25M3YmzDquJJwwf1YG6geIIaxD/2eVvR/uKfAzrEYY=; b=cuvh3rbQn+2azNgj13iH1D57XJVfyjbizvrFL0mgFobDRTp2lwxh2MpnEyEthwYqer U3rzZ9qYZHeqUZaa99bxLPv9S3HP1LIWKMSU0V3p3XL34ORCvqAipyvzRsRpC7rYfttu T5YD2TxY57E+kzMa89VAW887TWe2X8vyyUP6Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=XtnySN5SDVt8cOUmxtsBV+HF/9eOnRkDDHqcPpBk+uw9MsksrfRnLeq7qIiuE3MEZM +jqueKmwGUHbXGsnEW5VsATOKiPK/cIRlbnI3457BXku8Gm2Q6AKOsDPchj3aRSIRsfV VQHYOuF/0abNkfPgS5MaTWAJ5IbrGmPqiikAM= Received: by 10.102.234.20 with SMTP id g20mr738953muh.116.1225935261793; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.141.16 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:34:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:34:21 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081105184837.01194ec8@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081105184837.01194ec8@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 50436f5b264d4e19 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 02:34:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491249ad16862046811720 >I'm sure the bloke behind the camera had nothing to do with it. LOL, nothing at all. It's a sad day when a photographer thinks that "technology" is what makes or breaks his work. This is true for both digital cameras (full-frame, more pixels, higher ISOs) or Film Cameras. I can be just as wrong about film as anybody can be about digital. If I was half as smart as I think I am, I'd be able to engineer a digital solution to all this.... ...if I wanted to. Unfortunately/fortunately I don't want to. Maybe I want to embrace "different" so much that I'm willing to overlook alternative methods/technologies (ie Digital) to utilize my chosen technology and methods. When one has among the best photographic tools ever made for a given medium, one wants to do things with these tools which maximize the benefit of the tools and medium. I now want to do some LONG time exposures which I really haven't attempted since I got rid of my OM-1 six or seven years ago. I want to do things which are difficult or impossible with today's digital cameras. But most of all, maybe I just want to prove the world wrong! AG (oh how we suffer for our art) Schnozz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 04:20:58 2008 Received: (qmail 7535 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 03:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 03:20:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD1DC2B42; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 04:20:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 04:20:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6723C2B3C for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 04:20:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.be6.3adcdf3a (30738) for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:20:43 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:20:42 EST Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 04:20:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912629a79178512572685 In a message dated 11/5/2008 6:50:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com writes: 100 bucks? There are all sorts of real 2-1/4 twin lens reflex cameras going on ebay for 100 bucks or even much less. How about a Mamiya C330? Yes, you are right about the Mamiya C330. In another life that was my camera of choice for weddings. Unfortunately it won't make crappy pictures like those the new e-30 can make and I doubt I'll be buying one at $100. Bill Barber **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. 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IEEE-1394, a.k.a. "FireWire," is a standard that anyone can implement. :::: It is not my intention to "annoy" anyone with this electronic communication, which is now a Federal Crime under HR 3402, signed into law by George W. Bush on 5 January 2006. :::: :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 06:11:58 2008 Received: (qmail 652 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 05:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 05:11:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD36C2B6D; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:11:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:11:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43063C401E for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:11:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9529C2281B72 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:11:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jFUmUJYOSRk6 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:11:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CBF2281B60 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:11:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <8DCC0046-1B16-4814-960E-72A106A64140@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:11:02 -0800 References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 06:11:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49127c9e254011342116753 > From: John Hermanson > > Are prices down just because oil speculation has subsided or just > due to > the elections? I expect (but hope otherwise) prices to creep back up > again. I think you got it wrong. Prices won't "creep back up." They only "creep" down; they "spike" up. :::: We will see in some subsequent charts that we probably have reached peak oil. -- US Congressman Roscoe Bartlett, in presentation to the US Congress, 15 March 2005 :::: Jan Steinman "http://www.EcoReality.org" ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 06:17:42 2008 Received: (qmail 21755 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 05:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 05:17:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3E9C2B71; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:17:31 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:17:31 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8744C28D5 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:17:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB89B2281CB4 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:17:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f4L+6nyDNfXI for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BD02281CA0 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:17:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Animal Interference was Re: Re: OT American express Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:17:27 -0800 References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 06:17:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49127df6275241591313764 My ex was working on a Very Important Document in Word Perfect on a MeSs-DOS box, long ago. She hadn't saved in some time, and had gone off for some coffee. When she got back, the screen was blank! Oh no! She called me for assistance. I did a "dir" and noticed a file named "GGGGGGGG.GGG" and opened it in Word Perfect. There was her file, with same cat-language in the middle, but the cat had thoughtfully saved the file before exiting. I never did know much about Word Perfect, but I assume that in some mode, "G" was the command to save the file, which then prompted for a filename. :::: The per capita wattage that is critical for social well-being lies within an order of magnitude which is far above the horsepower known to four-fifths of humanity and far below the power commanded by any Volkswagen driver. -- Ivan Illich :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org:::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 06:33:41 2008 Received: (qmail 18516 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 05:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 05:33:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1A7C2C80; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:33:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:33:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E32C3444 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:33:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17387228204D for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:33:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0muGe-kaEamT for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:33:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB78228203A for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:33:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <9F4BEF14-0182-4124-B427-900B9974F245@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Cost of gas [Was Re: OT American express] Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:33:23 -0800 References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 06:33:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491281b4289971035110158 > From: Chuck Norcutt > > With that great a discrepancy between sale price and cost of > production > additional supplies or alternatives would start to rear up... Don't count on it. The world has never pumped more than it did in May, 2005 -- 85 million barrels of oil in one day. The housing crisis and financial collapse are a direct, albeit delayed, result of a growing economy bumping up against the glass ceiling of 85mb/d. You cannot grow an economy without growing energy consumption. They've had three years since then to come up with alternatives. They didn't find any, even when oil was close to $150. So now we bounced off the ceiling and are using well under that amount, but with the price crashed, no one is working on expensive alternatives. One large ethanol firm just declared bankruptcy; they're closing down tar sands processing capacity in Alberta. That will cause the price to remain relatively low -- perhaps even under $50 -- which will fuel growth, which will cause us to bump up against the ceiling again. Only this time, it won't be 85mb/d; it might only be 80. And so on, until it's all gone, or at least unrecoverable at any price. Everyone thinks little green bits of paper have something to do with it -- they don't. Energy should be priced in energy. When oil first gushed at Titusville, PA, one consumed one barrel of oil in getting over one hundred out. Today, it's more like five out for one in. The tar sands are under three. Biodiesel is about 1:1.3, ethanol actually consumes more energy in its manufacture than it produces. Thus the fallacy of saying, "When the price gets high enough, other sources will become available." When the cost of producing one unit of energy *is* one unit of energy, it doesn't matter at all how many little green bits of paper are shuffled around -- we'll be at entropic heat death as a civilization, and will have to go back to living strictly off of what the sun gives us. Pray that there's enough oil and coal left at that point to make a few more solar panels and wind turbines. :::: By 2030... fossil fuel resources will be totally out by then. -- Katsuhiko Machida, President of Sharp :::: :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 06:34:24 2008 Received: (qmail 14199 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 05:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 05:34:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB65AC336C; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:34:12 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:34:12 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id C956EC341C for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:34:10 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 21754 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 05:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 05:34:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49123F27.3010202@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49122C4B.3070303@gmail.com> <49123F27.3010202@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: E-30 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:34:03 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 06:34:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491281e0251161234514069 Yeah - but they aren't TOY cameras, they aren't plastic, they have, y'know, adjustments and they don't come in orange! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/11/2008, at 11:49 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > 100 bucks? There are all sorts of real 2-1/4 twin lens reflex cameras > going on ebay for 100 bucks or even much less. How about a Mamiya > C330? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 06:35:41 2008 Received: (qmail 26609 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 05:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 05:35:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47DCC308E; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:35:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:35:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F98C306E for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:35:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A082282076 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:35:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lse0720Drip6 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802612282067 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:35:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:35:25 -0800 References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 06:35:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912822d296621234514069 > From: AS > > http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/IM20634&t=PG01/ > > $3.99 after rebate. Sheesh. I recall not all that long ago paying nearly $400 for a 4GB CF card! :::: Very few Americans actually function as citizens anymore... Americans are primarily consumers today, and so long as they continue to wrap themselves in the cocoon of comfort, and the system keeps them walking down a road to the perceived path of prosperity, they don't want to rock the boat. If it doesn't have a direct impact on their day- to-day existence, they simply don't care. -- Scott Ritter :::: :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 07:12:26 2008 Received: (qmail 12333 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 06:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 06:12:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A9EC2EEB; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:12:15 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:12:15 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C87C2CE1 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:12:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bhY31a0070EPchoA1iCD1t; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:12:13 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([24.20.172.214]) by OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id biCC1a0024du4sg8MiCCW5; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:12:13 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=MZrygoUeAAAA:8 a=Q2PbpHMH07lKTb0imtwA:9 a=QeV3xLoRrvumCvKE5cTDSSyXL_cA:4 a=2X_usrrGR7EA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=kJVaTwQnZmMA:10 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:12:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pelaughlin@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 07:12:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49128aca240521585427447 And it hasn't been all that long ago that hard drives were going for $1 per MB. I paid $340 for a 320 MB drive and thought I was livin' up town. LOL Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Steinman" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:35 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal > >> From: AS >> >> http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/IM20634&t=PG01/ >> >> $3.99 after rebate. > > Sheesh. I recall not all that long ago paying nearly $400 for a 4GB CF > card! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 07:26:31 2008 Received: (qmail 24116 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 06:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 06:26:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6898EC3144; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:26:16 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:26:16 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60FDC2E88 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:20:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 06 Nov 2008 17:20:27 +1100 Message-ID: <100-a88c1249-25696.001@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:20:24 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] HD prices, was Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 07:26:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49128e17299411023412894 > And it hasn't been all that long ago that hard drives were going for $1 per > MB. I paid $340 for a 320 MB drive and thought I was livin' up town. LOL > Paul in Portland OR My first 80Mb harddisk cost me AU$1,100.00 Showing my age :o) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Get a new car for your spouse - it'll be a great trade! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 07:56:22 2008 Received: (qmail 31869 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 06:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 06:56:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8F2C33C4; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:56:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:56:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CFAAC3C8A for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:56:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 06 Nov 2008 17:56:03 +1100 Message-ID: <100-01951249-12080.002@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:56:01 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <100-a88c1249-25696.001@comkal.net> References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <100-a88c1249-25696.001@comkal.net> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] HD prices, was Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 07:56:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49129516269271257536491 > My first 80Mb harddisk cost me AU$1,100.00 > Showing my age :o) Or was that a 60M HD ? Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ "Reality" is that which is dreamed the longest. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 09:23:18 2008 Received: (qmail 17213 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 08:23:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 08:23:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF082C54E2; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:22:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:22:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id C3028C4046 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:22:23 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 30072 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 08:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 08:22:21 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <100-a88c1249-25696.001@comkal.net> References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <100-a88c1249-25696.001@comkal.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <3F86ACCC-55D1-4FBE-AB2C-8385B01FE0EE@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: HD prices, was Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:22:16 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 09:23:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912a975261551823421471 45Mb Rodime - AU$2000. Even agier! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/11/2008, at 5:20 PM, Ian Manners wrote: > My first 80Mb harddisk cost me AU$1,100.00 > Showing my age :o) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 10:40:30 2008 Received: (qmail 9264 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 09:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 09:40:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BB5C4442; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:40:12 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:40:11 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C01C4890 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:38:43 +0100 (CET) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so429256wah.1 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:38:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=FhW+7K889AFZK+qm1EuVcrKWYIhEPNXlaFGZYmu+Icw=; b=Z0banJe1wq9mFZEefJ/eTMdx/icdiN3ELdR6hlbbYUMG+iWHoP2QFmXhuKi+Y3v22M bkQ5tjG8AVLxWnhE1vmV1keHmyE+JFzwqllsMcCmklM0Ip9PT/KDBWNNMCirU+50EWTQ zB4VSeTN62rqIOYZgdesrPpLupQUhUCsK3EGs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=EKdBqUQNrGGzrI81erDzJoJQ5DYJ+Mm5uQUBiSZuoFM0e3lppE2JbnUgQUY2OCD8x0 9/H9QNGl/KF56HtExmgLrXS7fQ0oh2An43HRgoJlmrmKEmhxhMItQQJsSSFobOkdxMm8 c9j+9BOuZSWlOVCYG7vbMaeKv/gCL1vFsxUxk= Received: by 10.114.177.1 with SMTP id z1mr527078wae.68.1225964323033; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:38:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:38:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840811060138q3bc3ca49t91955fe504aac5c7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:38:42 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Scanner Was: Re: Wanted: 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye In-Reply-To: <5B90F6D7-37EC-4C32-B17A-45F9671C970F@Bytesmiths.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <5B90F6D7-37EC-4C32-B17A-45F9671C970F@Bytesmiths.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a9f2d4a862988740 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 10:40:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912bb8e52411342116753 Ah - thanks for the update. Should have checked in Wikipedia... "the royalty which Apple Inc. and other patent holders initially demanded from users of FireWire (US$0.25 per end-usersystem...since been dropped" cheers jez On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Jan Steinman wrote: > > > From: "Jez Cunningham" > > > > Strange world - my PC has firewire (even though it means Dell had to > > pay > > Apple the royalty) > > > No royalty involved. IEEE-1394, a.k.a. "FireWire," is a standard that > anyone can implement. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 11:23:21 2008 Received: (qmail 29613 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 10:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 10:23:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2F5C46A5; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:22:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:22:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77B7C453B for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:22:06 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 11856 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2008 10:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2008 10:22:05 -0000 Message-ID: <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:22:05 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 11:23:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912c599145681838542571 I forwarded this link to a friend who reminded me that I had once predicted that, just like film, where we use the same piece of film for both capture and archive, we would eventually use our digital capture media as our digital storage/archive media. In other words, we'd buy something like a CF card, use it only once and then store it. I don't think we're really there because this appears to be a fire sale but, at the cost of this Lexar card ($4 for 4GB) I could store about 300 13MB Canyon 5D raw files or more than 8 rolls of 35mm 36 exposure film for a cost equivalent of about 50 cents/roll. The cost for a single roll of Kodak Portra these days is in the $5-6 range or 10-12 times as much and that with no processing. You've got to really, really, really like film to continue on that path. Chuck Norcutt Jan Steinman wrote: >> From: AS >> >> http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/IM20634&t=PG01/ >> >> $3.99 after rebate. > > Sheesh. I recall not all that long ago paying nearly $400 for a 4GB CF > card! > > :::: Very few Americans actually function as citizens anymore... > Americans are primarily consumers today, and so long as they continue > to wrap themselves in the cocoon of comfort, and the system keeps them > walking down a road to the perceived path of prosperity, they don't > want to rock the boat. If it doesn't have a direct impact on their day- > to-day existence, they simply don't care. -- Scott Ritter :::: > :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality :::: > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 5:36 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 12:45:46 2008 Received: (qmail 1379 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 11:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 11:45:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F54C35D0; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:45:34 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:45:34 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DBC3C35FA for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:45:32 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 29781 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 11:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 11:45:29 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:45:24 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 12:45:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912d8ea14858512572685 Just how stable is it, compared to a DVD for instance? What could hurt it? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/11/2008, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I forwarded this link to a friend who reminded me that I had once > predicted that, just like film, where we use the same piece of film > for > both capture and archive, we would eventually use our digital capture > media as our digital storage/archive media. In other words, we'd buy > something like a CF card, use it only once and then store it. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 12:47:01 2008 Received: (qmail 18014 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 11:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 11:47:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97636C383A; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:46:49 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:46:49 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0316C3577 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:46:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9W00FTPU1Z6F40@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:46:47 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-127.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.127]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:59:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:46:46 -0400 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Cost of gas [Was Re: OT American express] To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <35DEB5FF9FCF47CFBAED73404C28D872@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsNAItnEkkYigt//2dsb2JhbACBb4gsv3kHg04 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,556,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="349881099" References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <9F4BEF14-0182-4124-B427-900B9974F245@Bytesmiths.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 12:47:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912d93568189347015869 Jan .................. you're overdosed on Thomas Robert Malthus ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Steinman" To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 1:33 AM Subject: [OM] Cost of gas [Was Re: OT American express] > >> From: Chuck Norcutt >> >> With that great a discrepancy between sale price and cost of >> production >> additional supplies or alternatives would start to rear up... > > Don't count on it. The world has never pumped more than it did in May, > 2005 -- 85 million barrels of oil in one day. The housing crisis and > financial collapse are a direct, albeit delayed, result of a growing > economy bumping up against the glass ceiling of 85mb/d. You cannot > grow an economy without growing energy consumption. > > They've had three years since then to come up with alternatives. They > didn't find any, even when oil was close to $150. > > So now we bounced off the ceiling and are using well under that > amount, but with the price crashed, no one is working on expensive > alternatives. One large ethanol firm just declared bankruptcy; they're > closing down tar sands processing capacity in Alberta. That will cause > the price to remain relatively low -- perhaps even under $50 -- which > will fuel growth, which will cause us to bump up against the ceiling > again. Only this time, it won't be 85mb/d; it might only be 80. And so > on, until it's all gone, or at least unrecoverable at any price. > > Everyone thinks little green bits of paper have something to do with > it -- they don't. Energy should be priced in energy. When oil first > gushed at Titusville, PA, one consumed one barrel of oil in getting > over one hundred out. Today, it's more like five out for one in. The > tar sands are under three. Biodiesel is about 1:1.3, ethanol actually > consumes more energy in its manufacture than it produces. > > Thus the fallacy of saying, "When the price gets high enough, other > sources will become available." When the cost of producing one unit of > energy *is* one unit of energy, it doesn't matter at all how many > little green bits of paper are shuffled around -- we'll be at entropic > heat death as a civilization, and will have to go back to living > strictly off of what the sun gives us. Pray that there's enough oil > and coal left at that point to make a few more solar panels and wind > turbines. > > :::: By 2030... fossil fuel resources will be totally out by then. -- > Katsuhiko Machida, President of Sharp :::: > :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality :::: > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 13:36:08 2008 Received: (qmail 7946 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 12:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 12:36:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6B6C3D8E; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:35:51 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:35:51 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.181]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36F4C3D87 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:35:17 +0100 (CET) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c28so512588ika.1 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 04:35:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=81JU4h7X+2w7DxA2pzHT55hMEZoBiKuP/aKEOxG8X9s=; b=jAWcqMFnPwLQnVcivf27dp/oAJfkyzWoTCDxUBNI/s4xVogicQmNsoBLTSVyXiwjdz 8JOoOSpfyedqmONg0fiui6Al61nO+vq48U6uFboyBGRqn+4+Q41jqL4DuHFGf2XaOxNz ClXxOptY3WQ/8bPJJqkraZGJ5dTMJLG1sJJTY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=ITX4Vpgw2d5DWOhi8myC8cbho9cr5lIfs215lI8NGJtTNPRwSdmrMFKfNFpjF9B0pb Bux/+uU33bbvwHUsxRVrXJ2euACKfc7jmDYzXLv1tLBCuTS/Qqh9OxfbpjAYEdhrgT/Q ShT5nHEfHjlzq8Ob4sCQ6ul+HWdKHbYqBEiBs= Received: by 10.86.31.18 with SMTP id e18mr2496430fge.72.1225974917717; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 04:35:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.70.17 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 04:35:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <60f983080811060435l272f7fdaxec04b74063348f69@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:35:17 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 13:36:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912e4b848431823421471 I have taken my first roll 120 B/W negative film. I scan the pictures by Canon 8800F but hanged after 100% complete "Scan Passes 2". There is no problem for scanning my 120 slide film. I try different setting but no any improvement. I try to scan pictures by the software of Canon & success to scan, but the result seems not as good as scanned by Vuescan. It proves the scanner is working. I don't know what happen & how to solve it. I send an email to Ed. Hamrick but don't know when he'll reply. Anyone who experience for it? Thanks. --- Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 13:52:26 2008 Received: (qmail 2732 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 12:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 12:52:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9C7C500D; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:51:56 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:51:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84D1C4FE9 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:51:35 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 29692 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2008 12:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2008 12:51:33 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081106072558.0111a608@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:36:07 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-Reply-To: <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 13:52:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4912e88a246131035110158 At 06:45 AM 11/6/2008, Andrew Fildes wrote: >Just how stable is it, compared to a DVD for instance? >What could hurt it? Flash memory is probably more stable than DVD. DVD is subject to corrosion. Almost all microprocessors use flash memory for their programming, so the life of the processor is depending on the flash memory life. All good memory uses some kind of error correction, which can mask the underlying bit error rate as seen by the user. Perhaps the best storage would be some kind of archival print that can be re-read digitally. Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 16:16:22 2008 Received: (qmail 22830 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 15:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 15:16:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272F7C311A; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:10:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:10:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B661AC8941 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:42:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 17so864317ugm.14 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:42:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=x9gCe/IXuFTIxRSACzDz0paBB/6YBLG4pSAPZg0B4lc=; b=ClfuXVSmjXY4WATVTMUJLYTBdWI0ZJWd4r78PLXJEo0UfA88zR4zNaENF5eTcIxJVK QuYHXdh1YCKGSMUSlltOqJX7IVVYiR5sFirnkeUc/eCK5sVNw2dSAHcAc7DVFdcmSOrH 58LviPxYlaXsnPyUXGCBRJdoHrK0YwQ1QY6hw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=PKX4+njDfCaXdELinMkkAX2O4AzgQ8/tAL9DpH76kI8usF0kQpzZ2B5bpZI9t/sCni 5QOq1WDcA7tlEEZzLSc1Wrn0YtWdLeq5gN2m/lxNLpXiJEkRwZEYV5DHFa9f+OYvq7FM SGW++6FAa0VtQoT01dPth6s1PD8SkyI4t9hz8= Received: by 10.103.242.14 with SMTP id u14mr1115226mur.10.1225982553429; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.252.13 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:42:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:42:33 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F In-Reply-To: <60f983080811060435l272f7fdaxec04b74063348f69@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080811060435l272f7fdaxec04b74063348f69@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7e9b762bb729da9f X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 16:16:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49130a46182451035110158 You may have run out of memory. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 16:46:30 2008 Received: (qmail 30100 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 15:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 15:46:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C0DC52B5; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:45:50 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:45:50 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.roc.nl (smtp.roc.nl [212.178.67.133]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5209C53EE for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:54:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from olaf2 ([212.178.64.254]) by atwork-133.r-212.178.67.atwork.nl (atwork-133.r-212.178.67.atwork.nl) (MDaemon.PRO.v8.0.2.R) with ESMTP id md50000009577.msg for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:48:09 +0100 Message-ID: <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> From: "Olaf Greve" To: References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <322BC900-2F17-4CA3-B46F-7526447B1238@millennics. com> Subject: [OM] TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:51:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Processed: atwork-133.r-212.178.67.atwork.nl, Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:48:09 +0100 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-MDRemoteIP: 212.178.64.254 X-Return-Path: ogreve@millennics.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ogreve@millennics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 16:46:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913115617069117217770 Hi guys, Officially the shooting season for TOPE 36 ended a few weeks ago, and I did announce the upcoming of the closure, but not the call for entries... Consequently (I think), so far I've only received one entry. :P So here goes: entries for TOPE 36 "After Dark" can be sent in. Also: as an alternative, perhaps hardly anyone managed to get shots for TOPE 36, so I'll grant a few more days to take pictures for it, as I rather see some shifting in the time intervals, than a very empty gallery. :D Soooo, as far as I'm concerned, you're all welcome to take pictures for TOPE 36 still, until say the end of this weekend. Okidokes: looking forward to receiving entries...:) Cheers! Olafo Main page: http://www.tope.nl Direct link to the TOPE Events calendar: http://www.tope.nl/events.php ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 17:11:13 2008 Received: (qmail 11360 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 16:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 16:11:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDE4C7FCB; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:57:41 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:57:41 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9902C695C for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:23:39 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 18101 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2008 15:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2008 15:23:38 -0000 Message-ID: <49130BFA.1080801@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:23:38 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106072558.0111a608@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081106072558.0111a608@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 17:11:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49131721210437927319144 Flash memory may not be as stable as I thought. I certainly didn't find anything definitive but a quick web check located a couple references to 10 years. I'd have guessed more like 50 or 100. Aluminum DVDs probably don't have a very long life due to corrosion although double-sided discs may have much less problem there... no lacquer layer for air and moisture to penetrate although the edges are still vulnerable. Gold DVDs should have a long life of 50 years or more. Note that when talking about flash memory I'm talking about the stability of the already recorded bits. Flash memory also has a write cycle limitation of 10,000 to 100,000 writes depending on design. Some are supposedly up to 1,000,000 writes now. Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > At 06:45 AM 11/6/2008, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> Just how stable is it, compared to a DVD for instance? >> What could hurt it? > > Flash memory is probably more stable than DVD. DVD is subject to > corrosion. Almost all microprocessors use flash memory for their > programming, so the life of the processor is depending on the flash > memory life. > > All good memory uses some kind of error correction, which can mask > the underlying bit error rate as seen by the user. > > Perhaps the best storage would be some kind of archival print that > can be re-read digitally. > > Wayne > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 5:36 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 17:15:07 2008 Received: (qmail 23994 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 16:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 16:15:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9628BC2C98; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:08:15 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:08:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676CEC8DF2 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:27:40 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 20830 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2008 15:27:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2008 15:27:39 -0000 Message-ID: <49130CEB.7060103@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:27:39 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F References: <60f983080811060435l272f7fdaxec04b74063348f69@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60f983080811060435l272f7fdaxec04b74063348f69@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 17:15:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913180b114894673671140 I would reboot both the scanner and the computer if you haven't already. If that doesn't help then try reinstalling VueScan. I don't remember if you need to uninstall first but check that. Chuck Norcutt Michael Wong wrote: > I have taken my first roll 120 B/W negative film. I scan the pictures by > Canon 8800F but hanged after 100% complete "Scan Passes 2". There is no > problem for scanning my 120 slide film. I try different setting but no any > improvement. I try to scan pictures by the software of Canon & success to > scan, but the result seems not as good as scanned by Vuescan. It proves the > scanner is working. I don't know what happen & how to solve it. I send an > email to Ed. Hamrick but don't know when he'll reply. > > Anyone who experience for it? > > Thanks. > > > --- > Michael > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 5:36 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 18:04:15 2008 Received: (qmail 28525 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 17:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 17:04:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECE1C9D40; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:47:37 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:47:36 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC00C8419 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:37:48 +0100 (CET) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so406517nfi.19 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 08:37:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=WcFxAZMg/Aru4M4q3HxtXD7WLX8ofNtfQEG2kzgxtS8=; b=Blcvd3KLISCUnH8hOKSVtTDiSN7kf2ubD84t1i/77fNZT1AXiAxowkq6EyLJC4oWvs Tjakx8EjMwCOpaZLXUJWLeiA+Z4ir62ieQdqkeRoFj+VBwLyJ83JnDdMlu1TzINEynfK RQd5oWzEqU5PybnmX0dcJwNSW/YNbplB8dO3M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=c2caGhD8iIu9cPiOROSadb8CFTw5h62Fs/KfyIQmQfSPP21bC9GeJGS9DTvpF6nizA Q4XCjTadQ3jhhI7BF0Uybo4CzHNqJ+KV0HZzL7vBXvOFBuC3UcHTC6KHIT9jIKtPNhxr OaViuGyZr2715kwk2X2LxvzowotjKRXh8Egog= Received: by 10.103.175.9 with SMTP id c9mr1195060mup.3.1225989468057; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 08:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.252.13 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:37:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:37:48 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-Reply-To: <49130BFA.1080801@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106072558.0111a608@zuik.net> <49130BFA.1080801@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 90b23266fd641c58 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 18:04:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913238f142082336821329 To date, Flash Memory has not been considered to be "archival" by any means. In fact, within the telecom industry it has already been proven to be, uh, less than stable. I understand and agree with what Wayne is saying, but in actual practice we're experiencing failures. From what I'm hearing from my cohorts on the supply side--it is looking like about 5% of 36 months of in-service devices are experiencing corrupted memory. Inotherwords, one out of every 20 boxes is getting random failures pointing directly to corrupted flash memory withing three years. This 5% failure rate definitely coincides with our own experiences. What really gets one sweating is when you have a device that needs rebooting and it doesn't come back online because the programming and configuration, which is stored on flash memory is corrupted. Trust me, it happens more often than anybody wants to admit. That's why, in our own company, we have a pretty tough procedure to follow before we ever cycle a box. Archiving of images is a HUGE issue within the forensic and scientific communities. The solution which is emerging as the gold standard? Film. Police departments around the world have been migrating towards film backup. They shoot digital, print digitally, but either use a digital-to-film device or are photographing in a copy stand the digital prints onto 35mm film. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 18:07:01 2008 Received: (qmail 6950 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 17:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 17:07:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A389C8BF5; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:54:27 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:54:27 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12-qfe0.srvr.bell.ca [206.47.199.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9174C65F1 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:39:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.91]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081106163918.DHHX1571.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:39:18 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhUJAPyrEklMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIgX/IcINV Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2008 11:46:05 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:39:15 -0500 Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Thread-Index: AclALjR8csF3IKwhEd2TNgAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 18:07:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49132435240817350615338 Thanks for the reminder and the extension. This falls into the "what am idiot I am" category - I put the end date in my calendar as November 21, not October. Michael On 11/6/08 9:51 AM, "Olaf Greve" wrote: > Hi guys, > > Officially the shooting season for TOPE 36 ended a few weeks ago, and I did > announce the upcoming of the closure, but not the call for entries... > Consequently (I think), so far I've only received one entry. :P > > So here goes: entries for TOPE 36 "After Dark" can be sent in. > > Also: as an alternative, perhaps hardly anyone managed to get shots for TOPE > 36, so I'll grant a few more days to take pictures for it, as I rather see > some shifting in the time intervals, than a very empty gallery. :D > > Soooo, as far as I'm concerned, you're all welcome to take pictures for TOPE > 36 still, until say the end of this weekend. > > Okidokes: looking forward to receiving entries...:) > > Cheers! > Olafo ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 19:04:01 2008 Received: (qmail 10547 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 18:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 18:04:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3FAC3482; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:03:50 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:03:50 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018B1C2AC8 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:03:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from 4.red-83-44-108.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.44.108.4]:50045 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1Ky9Ct-00057y-7a (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:03:47 +0000 Message-Id: <3BECE751-D2C0-4188-BFE9-DFE5FE264710@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, Picture a Day discussion group Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] IMG: an evening in Rotterdam Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:03:46 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 19:04:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913319197491023412894 Last night, on my way home from Denmark, I spent a pleasant evening walking around Rotterdam and dining with fellow LUGger and friend Michiel Fokkema: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6480073_qz6Mz#411325693_zBRvj If you are in the company of the right person, then even a dreary November evening in the Netherlands is pleasant! Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 19:06:46 2008 Received: (qmail 6133 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 18:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 18:06:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62079C39D6; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:06:34 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:06:34 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB54C3938 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:06:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d54.3ccafbd0 (37543) for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-DG03 (webmail-dg03.sim.aol.com [205.188.171.67]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB024-92a74913321d3c7; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:06:21 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:06:21 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-DG03.sim.aol.com (205.188.171.67) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:06:21 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0E518216C3D8-8B0-813@WEBMAIL-DG03.sim.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 19:06:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913323675641499373980 Thanks for the reminder. Few shots in the can waiting to be picked up. Hope there is something presentable. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 20:33:16 2008 Received: (qmail 20055 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 19:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 19:33:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24ED4C4346; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:33:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:33:01 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.26]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3849CC2CC9 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:32:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so464572qwb.5 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:32:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=1skDchqEHJcxJOhQSnkRdqscyZs78iNw/0KZLNQOEi8=; b=QslZiuYiDzuKFWrB1nI3LuaKtijE+gt13ks5z0ahKhwyQ34vaPU5MMvT3CgICr6aHO AJQwWH2qiwgA1lmlH1vSNbCOuXiktFPrip2k6CDZHwUhdnB9xFnkS9Z/L65Wuq9oC3q4 V51rQ6IgVeZfJlwaxdLlQMZByVdwQsqRs8oVw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=qvij9SFHeooTp3gZnqk4Bve/oUJQphWK2XLAdoVeVisVKoBSPKgD4GKtY6zOEOVWQY GvkeoxJiBJTquStpIwmoQuPXxnj40lbnw7A58krIdxW2DOxqnZBlFFys9T6xXyDmAUFM WG4/hu/uCu24cHLZ5yHkxgN8W/OFn2RFXQ80Q= Received: by 10.214.11.11 with SMTP id 11mr2805829qak.308.1225999951716; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:32:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.215.66.12 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:32:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <86d5d0470811061132n6e4b588ft13ffdfc1fe7defce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:32:31 -0600 From: "Komtanoo Pinpimai" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106072558.0111a608@zuik.net> <49130BFA.1080801@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: romerun@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 20:33:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913467c105721499373980 Film loses data too within 10 years, doesn't it ? The only benefit is the image is still viewable even though it's blur or the color fades. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > > To date, Flash Memory has not been considered to be "archival" by any > means. In fact, within the telecom industry it has already been proven to > be, uh, less than stable. I understand and agree with what Wayne is > saying, > but in actual practice we're experiencing failures. From what I'm hearing > from my cohorts on the supply side--it is looking like about 5% of 36 > months > of in-service devices are experiencing corrupted memory. Inotherwords, one > out of every 20 boxes is getting random failures pointing directly to > corrupted flash memory withing three years. This 5% failure rate > definitely > coincides with our own experiences. What really gets one sweating is when > you have a device that needs rebooting and it doesn't come back online > because the programming and configuration, which is stored on flash memory > is corrupted. Trust me, it happens more often than anybody wants to admit. > That's why, in our own company, we have a pretty tough procedure to follow > before we ever cycle a box. > > Archiving of images is a HUGE issue within the forensic and scientific > communities. The solution which is emerging as the gold standard? Film. > Police departments around the world have been migrating towards film > backup. They shoot digital, print digitally, but either use a > digital-to-film device or are photographing in a copy stand the digital > prints onto 35mm film. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > -- Hurt recalls you're still alive. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 20:37:51 2008 Received: (qmail 2629 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 19:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 19:37:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4464C374C; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:37:39 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:37:39 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE60C37D8 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:37:38 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 15415 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2008 19:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2008 19:37:35 -0000 Message-ID: <49134777.9060405@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:37:27 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106072558.0111a608@zuik.net> <49130BFA.1080801@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 20:37:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913478f109361744846740 That's 5% of flash memory that is being written to all the time for a period of 36 months... a technology which has a known "wear rate". That's much different than archiving after a single use. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > To date, Flash Memory has not been considered to be "archival" by any > means. In fact, within the telecom industry it has already been proven to > be, uh, less than stable. I understand and agree with what Wayne is saying, > but in actual practice we're experiencing failures. From what I'm hearing > from my cohorts on the supply side--it is looking like about 5% of 36 months > of in-service devices are experiencing corrupted memory. Inotherwords, one > out of every 20 boxes is getting random failures pointing directly to > corrupted flash memory withing three years. This 5% failure rate definitely > coincides with our own experiences. What really gets one sweating is when > you have a device that needs rebooting and it doesn't come back online > because the programming and configuration, which is stored on flash memory > is corrupted. Trust me, it happens more often than anybody wants to admit. > That's why, in our own company, we have a pretty tough procedure to follow > before we ever cycle a box. > > Archiving of images is a HUGE issue within the forensic and scientific > communities. The solution which is emerging as the gold standard? Film. > Police departments around the world have been migrating towards film > backup. They shoot digital, print digitally, but either use a > digital-to-film device or are photographing in a copy stand the digital > prints onto 35mm film. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 5:36 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 20:43:17 2008 Received: (qmail 5861 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 19:43:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 19:43:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D2CC3B1A; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:43:01 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:43:00 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57412C38EA for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:42:59 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 19674 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2008 19:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2008 19:42:57 -0000 Message-ID: <491348BB.4060001@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:42:51 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: an evening in Rotterdam References: <3BECE751-D2C0-4188-BFE9-DFE5FE264710@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <3BECE751-D2C0-4188-BFE9-DFE5FE264710@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 20:43:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491348d5237961585427447 The second shot of the Erasmus bridge is the winner followed by the third and fourth shots of the bridge as runners up. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Last night, on my way home from Denmark, I spent a pleasant evening > walking around Rotterdam and dining with fellow LUGger and friend > Michiel Fokkema: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6480073_qz6Mz#411325693_zBRvj > > If you are in the company of the right person, then even a dreary > November evening in the Netherlands is pleasant! > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 5:36 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 21:35:14 2008 Received: (qmail 18894 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 20:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 20:35:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0682BC4CD5; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:34:48 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:34:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FD5C4F5D for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:26:00 +0100 (CET) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so487300nfi.19 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:26:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=i+YtXd2vrL+1/gffFNzGIGQgVdIZTwo16SwyA1P8Sgk=; b=jS0vJzC+VZTPvf2YglOv4fn5jQpXKd5e9O41BNaBWVXT+lBOlh2/ObgjNsZ8pn33MC 6KiLrCEadn+NS3RPZh+QdDwPRE2/xAYuobHUL9OZkNpFPabPws209Hg/36NivIfR75N9 UBErGdlj0DNARxdyu5gRiNetCWW46MqIMPbQ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=PPJcuhiltZqJWNcnsRe/B39Y3dCQyh0cEZSSzE1RrWSI8i6p2vNFwQ5XA/u+GDQB4F gkGUZDsipBpwFGlpClpT3KbUWtxHAcgeY8vP/ICmyl9oqIU5HrV4wo0n2iQdjT3SvqCr sxDrmr0Vlh1Yly31PXSZhB2kUHPGflDU11PNg= Received: by 10.103.224.17 with SMTP id b17mr1321113mur.61.1226003159632; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.252.13 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:25:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:25:59 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-Reply-To: <49134777.9060405@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106072558.0111a608@zuik.net> <49130BFA.1080801@chucknorcutt.com> <49134777.9060405@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1fc3c6f3c02b0ea1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 21:35:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49135502213371342116753 >That's 5% of flash memory that is being written to all the time for a >period of 36 months... a technology which has a known "wear rate". >That's much different than archiving after a single use. I was thinking the same thing, but we're talking about the firmware which is updated maybe once a year and a configuration save on-average of twice per month. Yet, using large-capacity CF cards as backups is intruiging, but the cost of real hard-drives has dropped so much that I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a few for putting into my bank safe-deposit-box instead of DVDs. The DVD stack is over two inches thick and they are sealed in freezer bags AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 21:46:37 2008 Received: (qmail 21832 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 20:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 20:46:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0BCC2F1A; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:46:23 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:46:23 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BB6C38E4 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:44:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.89]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081106204450.YGHO22699.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:44:50 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuIKAB/iEklMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIgX/LDYNW Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2008 15:40:34 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:44:49 -0500 Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Thread-Index: AclAUIKiwPxfvqxDEd2TNgAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 21:46:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491357ad297991993019900 On 11/6/08 3:25 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > ... they are sealed in freezer bags Which might be outgassing PVC plasticisers? I'm no longer sure what's safe. Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 22:22:34 2008 Received: (qmail 24370 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 21:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 21:22:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556B5C2955; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:22:23 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:22:23 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2C6C2DB8 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:22:23 +0100 (CET) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so505695nfi.19 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:22:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=yJHgdOwQLiOMqgA8+wSDdy14qdHsay5PMSzNTKqmOuU=; b=e8eSdlW1bBW42ElxpyKZSsStEgYUcnNdPwBqUIBE2DUtlCiZjrn6lKn1oUBYBDyd5M lIkDRTfYDlA7GQ+fHvAUTd87EDUUB/tUQNlZW1Q/inVoRZJIL5Qpn/GLAPkElIrO8nWd SdeiWh4vPrM8RmTT9dYWF9KSyc4Jl4wq11O00= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=DxcyLo0ofIgOKIQttRCd9BheXCPl07oc/JBtQ5QZNRu6M4SPy90CNrm9lruOJhtciu pXpZ3PBqOvbpH1W2/XmGvbS6wnibXgUa0cRGb6Wzwyy5dSfVN4Yjnn6qdM6BsJ3dy45d JqTEGjNgrT+fTn9/sLHlyS8zrgJmxQnBwXv0E= Received: by 10.103.117.8 with SMTP id u8mr1343722mum.54.1226006541878; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.252.13 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:22:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:22:21 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7db429265f03d876 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 22:22:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913601a116003675314703 surrounded by aluminum foil. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Michael Collins wrote: > On 11/6/08 3:25 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > > ... they are sealed in freezer bags > > Which might be outgassing PVC plasticisers? I'm no longer sure what's safe. > > Michael > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 22:32:26 2008 Received: (qmail 2095 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 21:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 21:32:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1FCC3932; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:32:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:32:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E2EC3722 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:32:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081106213208.PKXU2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:32:08 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id bxY81a0034vDLwc02xY8Dl; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:32:08 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=xjW31z2RAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=1Pbs63r__lusFFC7FeUA:9 a=1lEqQS8wdJQyCL_BZCsA:7 a=RbwPbtWbBFtDM7SW5YAekzKtQpgA:4 a=IKds56vswl8A:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:32:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 22:32:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913626a34911869477228 I remember something on dp review about a yeaer ago that someone, I think Sandisc, was preparing to announce a single use card that would be so cheap it made economic sense. I'm not sure the market is savy enough to get this, but they must have, too. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal > > surrounded by aluminum foil. > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Michael Collins > wrote: > >> On 11/6/08 3:25 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: >> > ... they are sealed in freezer bags >> >> Which might be outgassing PVC plasticisers? I'm no longer sure what's >> safe. >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > -- > Ken Norton > ken@zone-10.com > http://www.zone-10.com > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 5:36 PM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 22:45:04 2008 Received: (qmail 32531 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 21:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 21:45:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09055C3A58; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:44:53 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:44:52 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.62]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FF74C3617 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:44:52 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 81928 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2008 21:44:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=AgzwMb+ousWjazGE0J5irHGiaItdtbt1L4F9aiFS/A8dmPc0V7FaX/qrQs6Y8fuMwdLf2IFQjppxk2AM0ng3RufU2L77SDNzuwAo+cKoJJikBfY/AMWWdy3uB3A2xKILorxFmYF5jgG1oWALVteXlGjivLMCnYbfTHntnaIgACA=; X-YMail-OSG: 3DmAIjgVM1khUJ_AuRzUmL8ddQLteh65bx0gze4rsY08EYxzGauS_O41a_kJ25zU0y3VvIYlBy.FEHdFrSs__4occfzxcbsd54Woao3_3edtWmMGjWe86LkCBhfddsDBT0X8JQ-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:44:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:44:51 -0800 (PST) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <484820.81253.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 22:45:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49136560232081838542571 They did introduce a single use card but last time I saw one they were not cheap! Better off getting a regular card. I think they also marketed one under the "Kodak" brand name that had a 50 year life or something. What will happen when CF's are no longer available? For that matter - SD, XD, etc. No card readers! With the way things are going - they will go to media heaven - much like the cassette tape! Is there a way to convert digital image to negative or slide? ======================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 22:48:29 2008 Received: (qmail 12741 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 21:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 21:48:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E00BC2DFB; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:48:17 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:48:17 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1475CC40A7 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:48:17 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 11277 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2008 21:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2008 21:48:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4913661F.2070609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:48:15 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106072558.0111a608@zuik.net> <49130BFA.1080801@chucknorcutt.com> <49134777.9060405@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 22:48:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913662d286429347015869 I also use external drives for backup. Since they're eSATA they're pretty fast. I used to use CDs (when things were smaller) and I did use DVDs on my trip but, were I to do it again, I'd just take an external 2-1/2" USB 2 drive to attach to the laptop for backup. It would be faster and a lot less hassle. I now also know that in 6-1/2 weeks I only shot about 45 GB. Since I know I'll never shoot that much in one go again I now know that a 60-80 GB external 2-1/2" drive is more than big enough. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > >That's 5% of flash memory that is being written to all the time for a >> period of 36 months... a technology which has a known "wear rate". >> That's much different than archiving after a single use. > > > I was thinking the same thing, but we're talking about the firmware which is > updated maybe once a year and a configuration save on-average of twice per > month. > > Yet, using large-capacity CF cards as backups is intruiging, but the cost of > real hard-drives has dropped so much that I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a > few for putting into my bank safe-deposit-box instead of DVDs. The DVD > stack is over two inches thick and they are sealed in freezer bags > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 5:36 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 22:52:27 2008 Received: (qmail 13468 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 21:52:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 21:52:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A14C3D21; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:52:15 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:52:15 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207DFC3072 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:52:14 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 13602 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2008 21:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2008 21:52:13 -0000 Message-ID: <4913670D.6020106@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:52:13 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal References: <484820.81253.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <484820.81253.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 22:52:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913671b294691234514069 Yes, using a device called a "film recorder" I think CH Ling used to do (and maybe still does) this type of work as part of his business. Chuck Norcutt AS wrote: > They did introduce a single use card but last time I saw one they > were not cheap! Better off getting a regular card. I think they also > marketed one under the "Kodak" brand name that had a 50 year life or > something. > > What will happen when CF's are no longer available? For that matter - > SD, XD, etc. No card readers! With the way things are going - they > will go to media heaven - much like the cassette tape! > > Is there a way to convert digital image to negative or slide? > > > > > > ======================== > > > > > ============================================== List usage info: > http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: > olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - > http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 - > Release Date: 11/5/2008 5:36 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 22:52:50 2008 Received: (qmail 10256 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 21:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 21:52:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDB5C399C; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:52:39 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:52:39 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.68]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 12CF0C3AA4 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:52:39 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 72559 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2008 21:52:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=pvt6ZCg2WWbOpYfGeKORJQ3arpKxBDfJDZHgJnhKA3QIBnmKQ4mFP34sixFVWT1655LSOrJ/w3JL+iy2m+znYUR3tBkabKSwurBNpLIKjGEM19YmCR+LFCJy3Muvdek40CEvmOOr5AjlH2AdvEPVO1Q2GQ+QOpVOIFquxYwuOoo=; X-YMail-OSG: 1_y7g.oVM1k7VhLavLmBZlhgrRPSlc08b.27c52wM17Cu.sH2Wd1BMpqNvJ7gnU5cS8g90p_t24RaKY7WDnkzVajcU4fxrUdlSwYE8MtoadP0kGf6vGtXc9Bsf1QbrVtLGrtaqGwo9JzBbqomBh5Uo6W3G_CbC8gs_vMVFJbL3UaTi.i7PDrSi_eINCJQe1BVutS0WpaLcU.Vag- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:52:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:52:37 -0800 (PST) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <4913661F.2070609@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <832368.72541.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 22:52:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49136732128761499373980 Was looking around for a data safe and came across this: http://www.sentrysafe.com/products/productDetail.aspx?s=274&WT.si_n=ShoppingCart&WT.si_p=CartView ========== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 23:12:53 2008 Received: (qmail 15667 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 22:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 22:12:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5948BC3149; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:12:37 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:12:37 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93181C464B for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:10:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9X00DVO77CFB77@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:30:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:31:43 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-reply-to: <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 23:12:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49136be581738512572685 I understand that dropping CF card can make it unusable. True? ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Andrew Fildes wrote: > Just how stable is it, compared to a DVD for instance? > What could hurt it? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 06/11/2008, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> I forwarded this link to a friend who reminded me that I had once >> predicted that, just like film, where we use the same piece of film >> for >> both capture and archive, we would eventually use our digital capture >> media as our digital storage/archive media. In other words, we'd buy >> something like a CF card, use it only once and then store it. > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 23:15:27 2008 Received: (qmail 25412 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 22:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 22:15:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687F7C2A93; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:15:15 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:15:15 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94E2C2DCC for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:15:14 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 30184 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2008 22:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2008 22:15:14 -0000 Message-ID: <49136C71.3030008@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:15:13 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal References: <832368.72541.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <832368.72541.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 23:15:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49136c7f239441838542571 Ah, yes. Fire, water and computers. Reminds me of another one of those old IBM stories. I had the weekend management coverage duty for three large data centers, my own and a couple of others. They were normally unmanned on the weekend or at most had one or two operators around during the day shift. It was some Sunday afternoon in the late 1980's and I making my rounds checking that things looked normal. For some reason (I have no idea why) I decided to go get a floor tile lifter to check under the raised floor. When I lifted the tile out I nearly had a heart attack. There, instead of just 400 volt power cables and 4" deionized water mains for cooling (that big iron generated a lot of heat) was about 4" of water. One of the cooling pipes had sprung a leak and was filling up the under floor area. In a frantic panic I hit the EPO (Emergency Power Off) button for the first and only time in my life and brought the whole complex down in an instant. My heart still flutters when I think about it. I don't know why the water didn't drain off somewhere or why it hadn't already caused a short because there were lots of submerged 400 volt cables. Maybe just the fact that it was deionized or maybe the connectors make and exceptionally good seal. Shudder... shudder. The moral of the story is back things up. You never know what's gonna happen. Chuck Norcutt AS wrote: > Was looking around for a data safe and came across this: > > http://www.sentrysafe.com/products/productDetail.aspx?s=274&WT.si_n=ShoppingCart&WT.si_p=CartView > > ========== > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 5:36 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 23:15:59 2008 Received: (qmail 16599 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 22:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 22:15:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5B8C3188; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:15:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:15:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8DDC31B3 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:15:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081106221546.KFFV27754.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:15:46 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id byFl1a00L4vDLwc02yFlcw; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:15:45 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=he5QUmt6AAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=f_v9KCiDqsIBbBOJKE0A:9 a=V9B2LVa4gswECwpEkfAA:7 a=uaSxRbgbzuryEgBFgNmdfzUdNmoA:4 a=R4WQGk8rqDwA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=6-x43y6uxGMA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <48095A4ABD104783A14FC650E26ACB51@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:15:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 23:15:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49136c9f195771342116753 Not my experience. Perhaps you're thinking of a microdrive? Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal > > I understand that dropping CF card can make it unusable. True? > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Just how stable is it, compared to a DVD for instance? >> What could hurt it? >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 06/11/2008, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> I forwarded this link to a friend who reminded me that I had once >>> predicted that, just like film, where we use the same piece of film >>> for >>> both capture and archive, we would eventually use our digital capture >>> media as our digital storage/archive media. In other words, we'd buy >>> something like a CF card, use it only once and then store it. >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 5:36 PM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 23:18:20 2008 Received: (qmail 20854 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 22:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 22:18:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AEADC3546; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:18:08 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:18:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.226.244]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A18C2898 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:18:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from wireless-169-235-52-57.ucr.edu (wireless-169-235-52-57.ucr.edu [169.235.52.57]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id DJX06013 (AUTH siddiq@ucr.edu) for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:18:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <0A002A23-EDE4-4116-9428-D6C416B3E1FF@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:18:05 -0800 References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: siddiq@ucr.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 23:18:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49136d2c107854673671140 Isn't the whole point of solid state devices to be impervious (relatively) to shock, vibration, temperature, humidity, etc, within reason? /s On Nov 6, 2008, at 8:31 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > > I understand that dropping CF card can make it unusable. True? > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Just how stable is it, compared to a DVD for instance? >> What could hurt it? >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 06/11/2008, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> I forwarded this link to a friend who reminded me that I had once >>> predicted that, just like film, where we use the same piece of film >>> for >>> both capture and archive, we would eventually use our digital >>> capture >>> media as our digital storage/archive media. In other words, we'd >>> buy >>> something like a CF card, use it only once and then store it. >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 23:20:39 2008 Received: (qmail 3479 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 22:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 22:20:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C041C2CB8; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:20:26 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:20:26 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF293C2BEF for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:20:25 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 2234 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2008 22:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2008 22:20:25 -0000 Message-ID: <49136DA9.8090006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:20:25 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 23:20:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49136db796531023412894 I doubt it. Check this old news report from 2004 Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > I understand that dropping CF card can make it unusable. True? > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Just how stable is it, compared to a DVD for instance? >> What could hurt it? >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 06/11/2008, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> I forwarded this link to a friend who reminded me that I had once >>> predicted that, just like film, where we use the same piece of film >>> for >>> both capture and archive, we would eventually use our digital capture >>> media as our digital storage/archive media. In other words, we'd buy >>> something like a CF card, use it only once and then store it. >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 5:36 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 23:27:33 2008 Received: (qmail 20836 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 22:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 22:27:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCECC3805; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:27:20 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:27:20 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.harbornet.com (smtp.harbornet.com [199.2.132.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E486BC27A8 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:27:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([216.174.237.242]) by smtp.harbornet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id mA6NAWUm004909 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:10:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49136F36.2080008@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:27:02 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Digital to slides WAS: Lexar 4gb CF Deal References: <484820.81253.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <484820.81253.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 23:27:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49136f5540791257536491 There are a number of companies that offer a service where they create slides from your digital files. Not sure about quality. Do a Google search on "digital to slide" and a number of them pop up. Jim Couch AS wrote: > They did introduce a single use card but last time I saw one they were not cheap! Better off getting a regular card. I think they also marketed one under the "Kodak" brand name that had a 50 year life or something. > > What will happen when CF's are no longer available? For that matter - SD, XD, etc. No card readers! With the way things are going - they will go to media heaven - much like the cassette tape! > > Is there a way to convert digital image to negative or slide? > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 23:28:54 2008 Received: (qmail 4810 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 22:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 22:28:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA83FC3946; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:28:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:28:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C053C3A70 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:28:42 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 7790 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2008 22:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2008 22:28:41 -0000 Message-ID: <49136F99.5060901@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:28:41 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> <0A002A23-EDE4-4116-9428-D6C416B3E1FF@ucr.edu> In-Reply-To: <0A002A23-EDE4-4116-9428-D6C416B3E1FF@ucr.edu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 23:28:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49136fa6293283675314703 Yup, circa 2004 I used to use them as boot drives on navigation consoles for US Navy aircraft carriers. The consoles on the bridge had to be able to withstand an explosive test that involved strapping the console on the deck of an old barge sitting in water and then setting off a 60 pound dynamite charge in the water next to the barge. The computers had to stay operating before, during and after the explosion. It was tough on flat screens (very expensive at the time) but the CF cards were OK. :-) Chuck Norcutt siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > Isn't the whole point of solid state devices to be impervious > (relatively) to shock, vibration, temperature, humidity, etc, within > reason? > > /s > > On Nov 6, 2008, at 8:31 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > >> I understand that dropping CF card can make it unusable. True? >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>> Just how stable is it, compared to a DVD for instance? >>> What could hurt it? >>> Andrew Fildes >>> afildes@people.net.au >>> >>> >>> >>> On 06/11/2008, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> >>>> I forwarded this link to a friend who reminded me that I had once >>>> predicted that, just like film, where we use the same piece of film >>>> for >>>> both capture and archive, we would eventually use our digital >>>> capture >>>> media as our digital storage/archive media. In other words, we'd >>>> buy >>>> something like a CF card, use it only once and then store it. >>> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 5:36 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Nov 6 23:54:28 2008 Received: (qmail 6887 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 22:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 22:54:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EC5C36C8; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:54:16 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:54:16 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CE7C3755 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:54:15 +0100 (CET) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 17so1061378ugm.14 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:54:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=IXeFuxElghjkUq7pfRP7Zp1fRmkGY0+4T7DYIlrEhtw=; b=gHrcYmyc+cs1C+ZxBLhtHh++7cyHCt9VQlE81PtaSfYSLhLnKYHbYTBDo426DhBn3d ZgORHKJwv7kf/VpJTWtTIAIhJbEOVZHtVcPPIEApjBm3PtN3H2Yu92CPYw78HahqAE0I 2GCppeEF20wwHwFooPQxaWYOZwsjunL4CEc90= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Siqa7Fqz+9FCz2RCj3am+zMXScufzIU1kZY8fZXIBHX0xVcfha4s/qczU0GgRT8YOq XOy8Bq0h9gMQhmhFS4JDAks/8ENQSEvxRouByTuS2P/qPE4JJQv0ExSyJmVuEH8ZBp+0 jwrdKUlJMnTcz31ndaGm658QOaUGIOH6oA7Ow= Received: by 10.103.220.18 with SMTP id x18mr1379541muq.135.1226012054860; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:54:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.252.13 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:54:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:54:14 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-Reply-To: <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 64154e1e4868fac8 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 6 23:54:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491375a467811234514069 >I understand that dropping CF card can make it unusable. True? Only if the wires bonded to the edge of the chip become dislodged due to poor glue/solder. That said, dropping cards can cause problems with the images stored on them. You may see dented pictures. Also, green pixels are heavier than blue and red pixels so there might be color fringing as the green pixels shift two or three positions over. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 00:51:11 2008 Received: (qmail 25710 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2008 23:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 23:51:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435E3C2FFA; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:50:59 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:50:59 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1D5C28B5 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:50:58 +0100 (CET) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so923724wfd.5 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:50:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=P3Bc6sRPrY1yQYWMombqGYcvzYGMaZmFsG0K77UhiO4=; b=OqOVEIrLLvNAKKXcNiRsc3RLTvf22qLtwf9vPC9FuNprDUbEcXqkn44pRvVrvktzU4 3XHicQzc8+IyToQmCixYj4/QpZEIQRooL48scTl09JRTescpj4wQ/A74pt+9g3Aq9txu 7spGLobTkUspVuQNd7w4q0nT8xujIYX2LwYgU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tSIQF68NhX2GdvGvfINNDkveVoT67Z4ybCC4AkvIA3kp2MFa15FUhlgUEqyNMBDauj 1sAAfFtOpRBCasKEorihsLnT2Fm2pzbx15oGMFf7RZr9ofc+juphIuyKWkfvOvdXSCyQ 3oFBjEkUvGeM69aBI9+3IMEqqO56RvCVMaTnE= Received: by 10.142.237.20 with SMTP id k20mr722678wfh.74.1226015457842; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:50:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-189-181.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.189.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm3632427wfd.1.2008.11.06.15.50.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:50:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <491382DB.7000504@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:50:51 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 00:51:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491382ef107363675314703 Michael Collins wrote: > Thanks for the reminder and the extension. This falls into the "what > am idiot I am" category - I put the end date in my calendar as > November 21, not October. In the hope of inspiring myself, I created the following public Google Calendar of the TOPE events, to add to my iGoogle homepage and Thunderbird/Lightning mail client: (Or just search for "TOPE" from http://www.google.com/calendar if you've a Google account) I'm not sure what the Brisbane/Australia timezone will do to it. It might shift the dates a day for some. Let me know if there are any errors/problems. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 01:01:07 2008 Received: (qmail 28355 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 00:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 00:01:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F68C36E0; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:00:55 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:00:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7B4C371B for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:00:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mA700VwP013647 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:00:31 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: References: <484820.81253.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4913670D.6020106@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:00:00 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ch_photo@accura.com.hk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 01:01:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913854360111073733319 We still have the equipment, the Polaroid Propalette 8000 which capable of 8000 lines output but this is not an economic way for digital archival. Talking about film, fading loss is not that significant if they are processed properly. I have some 25 years old negative that only has little color shift but many 10-15 years old poorly processed negative with color shifted like crazy especially the white (more exposed) area, I believe they are caused by the unreliable one hour labs. At the mean time most of the slides still look great after 20 years. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Yes, using a device called a "film recorder" > > > I think CH Ling used to do (and maybe still does) this type of work as > part of his business. > > Chuck Norcutt > > AS wrote: >> They did introduce a single use card but last time I saw one they >> were not cheap! Better off getting a regular card. I think they also >> marketed one under the "Kodak" brand name that had a 50 year life or >> something. >> >> What will happen when CF's are no longer available? For that matter - >> SD, XD, etc. No card readers! With the way things are going - they >> will go to media heaven - much like the cassette tape! >> >> Is there a way to convert digital image to negative or slide? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 01:06:59 2008 Received: (qmail 22670 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 00:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 00:06:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A14EC33AC; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:06:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:06:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC871C324E for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:06:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.c86.40af541e (37530) for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-DG03 (webmail-dg03.sim.aol.com [205.188.171.67]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB013-929a4913869327f; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:06:43 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: What 'da think of the new Sony AW vs the Lenovo? Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:06:43 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-DG03.sim.aol.com (205.188.171.67) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:06:43 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0E83D9F18803-320-C18@WEBMAIL-DG03.sim.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 01:06:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491386a3110431869477228 Tough is good. Thanks for commenting. Mike I can't speak for this particular model, but I've used nothing but Thinkpad laptops for at least the past 10 years. I have 4 of them here at my place right now. Over all that time and at least a dozen different machines, the only failure I've ever had was an LCD backlight that finally gave out. I don't xactly baby them either. They are as close to indestructible as you can get short of something that's been industrially hardened. My only real complaint - they last so long most of them have had the stenciling on the keys wear off. You can pick up replacement keyboards for $20-$30 on ebay, though. Paul Schings ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 01:28:55 2008 Received: (qmail 29551 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 00:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 00:28:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136B0C345F; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:28:44 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:28:44 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758F2C3130 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:28:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.91]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081107002842.MUFA2983.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:28:42 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuIKAHMVE0lMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIgX/KY4NW Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2008 19:35:30 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:28:41 -0500 Subject: [OM] [OT] dropping cards [was: Lexar 4gb CF Deal] From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OT] dropping cards [was: Lexar 4gb CF Deal] Thread-Index: AclAb8i6ByD9AKxjEd2TNgAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 01:28:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49138bc754361234514069 On 11/6/08 5:54 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > That said, dropping cards can cause problems with the images stored on > them. You may see dented pictures. Also, green pixels are heavier than > blue and red pixels so there might be color fringing as the green pixels > shift two or three positions over. Clearly you understand the gravity of this situation. Those who are sceptical may want to make use of the dropper in their image editing applications to get an idea of the impact on images. Canadians are already acutely sensitive to the green shift you mention: and to green fringing: Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 01:57:37 2008 Received: (qmail 29928 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 00:57:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 00:57:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0950C300D; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:57:25 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:57:25 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB2AC301C for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:57:22 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 22238 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2008 00:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2008 00:57:19 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081106194153.01195c30@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:56:40 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-Reply-To: References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106072558.0111a608@zuik.net> <49130BFA.1080801@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 01:57:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49139281137671993019900 Failures depend on whether the flash is being written to regularly or not. We built a Linux gateway box that used an SD card as the file system. They would fail within about 2-3 months of operation. We used SandDisk SD cards. SandDisk does not implement any wear algorithms, hence the quick failure. So the lifetime is a matter of write once only. Also many flash cards do not implement error correction or automatic re-mapping. So there will be a wide variation in experiences and quality of Flash. The push for high density and high speed has driven the market more than reliability. I program embedded devices, and the flash memory on a Freescale microprocessor is a lot more robust than today's flash cards, so there is no reason why the technology cannot produce long life, just that the market has not pushed that as a design feature. Whereas the Freescale microprocessor has to be reliable, so it has a different performance metric. But the super fast burst rate of a camera has speed as the dominant profit margin maker for compact flash, not longevity. Now I hear that the Akashic record is permanent, but that exists on the astral plane and to date, no devices have been built to access it other than well trained psychics.... :-) but I digress... WayneS At 11:37 AM 11/6/2008, Ken wrote: >To date, Flash Memory has not been considered to be "archival" by any >means. In fact, within the telecom industry it has already been proven to >be, uh, less than stable. I understand and agree with what Wayne is saying, >but in actual practice we're experiencing failures. From what I'm hearing >from my cohorts on the supply side--it is looking like about 5% of 36 months >of in-service devices are experiencing corrupted memory. Inotherwords, one >out of every 20 boxes is getting random failures pointing directly to >corrupted flash memory withing three years. This 5% failure rate definitely >coincides with our own experiences. What really gets one sweating is when >you have a device that needs rebooting and it doesn't come back online >because the programming and configuration, which is stored on flash memory >is corrupted. Trust me, it happens more often than anybody wants to admit. >That's why, in our own company, we have a pretty tough procedure to follow >before we ever cycle a box. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 02:24:18 2008 Received: (qmail 5560 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 01:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 01:24:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BE9C27F3; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:24:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:24:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31472C304C for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:24:05 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 5391 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2008 01:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2008 01:24:02 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081106200444.0113a5a0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:23:56 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-Reply-To: References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106072558.0111a608@zuik.net> <49130BFA.1080801@chucknorcutt.com> <49134777.9060405@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 02:24:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491398c2316391946193717 I once worked in the storage development of Digital, later Quantum, and know a number of people still there. There was a well known data rate loss due to bit decay related to temperature. The rate for longitudinal recording was getting so bad, the disk drive would do a periodic refresh, sort of like dynamic ram, to keep the data stable. So, using a disk drive to store data, then power off and store, may also not be so reliable. Vertical recording has improved things, but if you want to preserve disk drive data, then store them in a very cool place. I periodically buy new disk drives and copy all the data to the new drives, in duplicate. I don't think there will be any electronic storage that will not require periodic maintenance and constant migration of the data from older technology to newer technology. Even if your blue ray disk has 100 years of life, the technology to access it will not. Just keep buying a new disk every few years, and copy all the data from 4 older drives onto duplicates of two newer drives. Besides, most of us on this list probably don't have much archival life left in us either. WayneS At 03:25 PM 11/6/2008, you wrote: > >That's 5% of flash memory that is being written to all the time for a >>period of 36 months... a technology which has a known "wear rate". >>That's much different than archiving after a single use. > > >I was thinking the same thing, but we're talking about the firmware which is >updated maybe once a year and a configuration save on-average of twice per >month. > >Yet, using large-capacity CF cards as backups is intruiging, but the cost of >real hard-drives has dropped so much that I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a >few for putting into my bank safe-deposit-box instead of DVDs. The DVD >stack is over two inches thick and they are sealed in freezer bags > >AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 02:30:28 2008 Received: (qmail 24070 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 01:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 01:30:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76290C3113; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:30:17 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:30:17 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5028C3137 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:30:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.bdf.42612cc7 (37128) for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-DG03 (webmail-dg03.sim.aol.com [205.188.171.67]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA022-910849139a2415d; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:30:12 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Ektar 100 on pnet Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:30:12 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-DG03.sim.aol.com (205.188.171.67) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:30:12 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0E8F8377F083-770-DA@WEBMAIL-DG03.sim.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 02:30:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49139a3485741234514069 Still waitng for mine. It appears the reciprocity failure is much sooner than with UC 100. Appears the shadows become bluish quit easily (sounds like velvia ) and perhaps should be shot at 80. Curious that the unmetered sunny 16 rec. is not f16. http://photo.net/film-and-processing-forum/00RMDV I'll extract the link with the high res scans for comparison. http://tinyurl.com/ymradn I won't even mention tonal balance issues as they would largely disappear with profiling, and the discussion might rile Moose. I'd probably learn something else once again, however. Still the film looks interesting to me. Perhaps AG will try it and report. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 02:33:37 2008 Received: (qmail 1578 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 01:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 01:33:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B8BC326A; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:33:26 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:33:26 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A8BC3127 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:33:25 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 11273 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2008 01:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2008 01:33:23 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081106202724.022c20d0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:33:17 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-Reply-To: <49136C71.3030008@chucknorcutt.com> References: <832368.72541.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49136C71.3030008@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 02:33:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49139af1122757927319144 At 05:15 PM 11/6/2008, Chuck wrote: >... why it hadn't already caused a short because there were > lots of submerged 400 volt cables. Maybe just the fact that it was >deionized or maybe the connectors make and exceptionally good seal. >Shudder... shudder. The moral of the story is back things up. You >never know what's gonna happen. You were right, there are more great stories to be had.... and my arm hair is standing on end. So back things up, yes, after all, the end of days is ... er I mean, you really need to keep that old stuff around?? Go out and shoot some fresh stuff. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 02:39:57 2008 Received: (qmail 11632 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 01:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 01:39:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89564C2F30; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:39:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:39:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43686C32B8 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:39:44 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 14908 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2008 01:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2008 01:39:41 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:39:35 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <322BC900-2F17-4CA3-B46F-7526447B1238@millennics. com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 02:39:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49139c6d235911993019900 I've been off list for a while, does the TOPE still require an Olympus something or other involved in the image. I no longer have an E-1, and my film scanner is in need of a dust repair. About the most I could do is a 5D (C*n*n), possibly with an OM 100mm/f2 attached, but more likely a completely Borg made picture. WyanS At 09:51 AM 11/6/2008, you wrote: >Hi guys, > >Officially the shooting season for TOPE 36 ended a few weeks ago, and I did >announce the upcoming of the closure, but not the call for entries... >Consequently (I think), so far I've only received one entry. :P ... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 02:54:23 2008 Received: (qmail 29798 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 01:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 01:54:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B332C3572; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:54:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:54:09 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.226.244]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8018C30AB for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:49:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [138.23.74.123] ([138.23.74.123]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id DJY25315 (AUTH siddiq@ucr.edu) for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:49:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4480B75B-33A6-47FA-B986-2BA975989AFB@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:49:37 -0800 References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <322BC900-2F17-4CA3-B46F-7526447B1238@millennics. com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: siddiq@ucr.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 02:54:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49139fcf144702070262475 I believe any Oly component makes it fair game (so Zuiko on Canyon should be OK, I believe we had a Moose submission that was later updated to be full OM/Zuiko). Not sure if Olympus skylight filter or handstrap on a Canyon would count however :P On Nov 6, 2008, at 5:39 PM, WayneS wrote: > I've been off list for a while, does the TOPE still require an Olympus > something or other involved in the image. I no longer have an E-1, > and my film scanner is in need of a dust repair. About the most I > could > do is a 5D (C*n*n), possibly with an OM 100mm/f2 attached, but more > likely a completely Borg made picture. > > WyanS > > At 09:51 AM 11/6/2008, you wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> Officially the shooting season for TOPE 36 ended a few weeks ago, >> and I did >> announce the upcoming of the closure, but not the call for entries... >> Consequently (I think), so far I've only received one entry. :P > ... > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 02:55:31 2008 Received: (qmail 23648 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 01:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 01:55:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777FBC311E; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:55:18 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:55:17 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D011C2EE2 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:50:29 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 21225 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2008 01:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2008 01:50:23 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081106204129.022caea0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:50:09 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: an evening in Rotterdam In-Reply-To: <3BECE751-D2C0-4188-BFE9-DFE5FE264710@frozenlight.eu> References: <3BECE751-D2C0-4188-BFE9-DFE5FE264710@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 02:55:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913a013242302070262475 At 01:03 PM 11/6/2008, Nathan wrote: >Last night, on my way home from Denmark, I spent a pleasant evening >walking around Rotterdam and dining with fellow LUGger and friend >Michiel Fokkema: > >http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6480073_qz6Mz#411325693_zBRvj > >If you are in the company of the right person, then even a dreary >November evening in the Netherlands is pleasant! Very cool, this is the style of photography that inspires me the most. Very sharp images given the shooting environment. Thanks for sharing. We can have dreary here in New England also. The "Bridge detail" is a nice abstract, And, the "The Erasmus Bridge again, ..." gives a nice feeling of "being there with you", I can almost smell the air... There is a bridge in Boston that has a similar feel. Great eye. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 03:01:33 2008 Received: (qmail 14392 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 02:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 02:01:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3915C2F03; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:01:21 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:01:21 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F274C2F22 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:01:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081107020037.ZSBU19960.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:00:37 -0500 Received: from eastrmwml47 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id c20d1a0044h0NJL0220dN8; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:00:37 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=MVvEs0e/mCFcUfn3nL6Xlw==:17 a=OyDbgxTwKZ-lafQg_RAA:9 a=aK37GiDBGRH4T-_XzC4A:7 a=9IW5XAVsM8Y8Z4tYIxhCkMV7O9kA:4 a=fUzIcyR-ki4A:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Received: from 68.229.81.220 by webmail.east.cox.net; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:00:36 -0500 Message-ID: <20081106210037.BBQ0U.13652.imail@eastrmwml47> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:00:37 -0500 From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-Reply-To: <49134777.9060405@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pschings@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 03:01:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913a17d197751234514069 Back to the original topic on this thread - I ordered 2 of these cards from Calumet last night, and downloaded the PDF of the rebate form. I went back to the site tonight to get the link for a friend, and I don't see the rebate on the Calumet site anymore - just one that expired on October 15th. Anyone know if this rebate is legit? The form I downloaded said it's valid until January 15th 2009. Thanks, Paul ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 03:18:53 2008 Received: (qmail 5686 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 02:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 02:18:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CCAC2B8A; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:18:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:18:41 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from moenkopi.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us (mail.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us [66.116.71.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DFEC2F66 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:18:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.222] (unknown [192.168.1.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by moenkopi.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BD18DE800E for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:18:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal From: Scott Gomez To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <832368.72541.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <832368.72541.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Scott Gomez Consulting Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:18:39 -0800 Message-Id: <1226024319.10794.16.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 (2.22.3.1-1.fc9) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scott@petroglyph.crestline.ca.us Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 03:18:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913a58d221731234514069 Cheaper to buy 2 or three inexpensive external HDs and just put 'em in a regular safe on a rotation basis. A regular safe of about 1 cubic foot capacity is only about $125, is waterproof and fireproof for at least as long as the item in the link, and being in a safe makes it less likely to be stolen. As well, one gets also a rotating backup that might save one's bacon even without a fire or flood, and a place to store the wife's jewelry or important documents or both. On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 13:52 -0800, AS wrote: > Was looking around for a data safe and came across this: > > http://www.sentrysafe.com/products/productDetail.aspx?s=274&WT.si_n=ShoppingCart&WT.si_p=CartView --- Scott Gomez ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 03:21:20 2008 Received: (qmail 21068 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 02:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 02:21:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7474DC2BDD; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:21:08 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:21:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C6BC2BBD for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:21:08 +0100 (CET) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so384747eyd.5 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:21:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=DQyaArIPVi3S/r4agV0LjTcwelNuKzc5c6H1UIQcIzc=; b=ky3iVzGbgz6Ce2Z3j/HgJ1Fz8M/EgVX4dN5HjTUO5jCo3GeVdNPf9fcI17yFo6fuix 9uNQyB6P21ybtsaoHWnJ2AjdOrvm0Ak660LEdNxtaDRMflafzPVAjn7Uap1N/dQNyv90 d8uRPRRsjo/BHd93SZFurf/Bb0Iv/6t8Ow8aI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=vIBOJbSPtW4wNXgFxaSsDh4mNs4x3NFuT+bOdweM3Qj9BdAcRYJdsIJyEKUO/Gajew T2Qic/ODSxyi30sO6my8Y9xGwL7YrKTPfXCV9cjuZcnjpwnda5/c5McVgvRnO/esAZtZ 4qGKv0DinbWsFQA6AMLegvR4tmt7bnq4on9Xg= Received: by 10.103.248.17 with SMTP id a17mr1442930mus.97.1226024467032; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.252.13 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:21:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:21:06 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-Reply-To: <20081106210037.BBQ0U.13652.imail@eastrmwml47> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <49134777.9060405@chucknorcutt.com> <20081106210037.BBQ0U.13652.imail@eastrmwml47> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4a799179b005d3e2 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 03:21:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913a62092511869477228 If you still have the PDF for the Jan 15th rebate, can you email it to me please? AG On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:00 PM, wrote: > > Back to the original topic on this thread - I ordered 2 of these cards from > Calumet last night, and downloaded the PDF of the rebate form. I went back > to the site tonight to get the link for a friend, and I don't see the rebate > on the Calumet site anymore - just one that expired on October 15th. Anyone > know if this rebate is legit? The form I downloaded said it's valid until > January 15th 2009. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 03:30:01 2008 Received: (qmail 1207 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 02:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 02:30:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E04C30EB; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:29:50 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:29:50 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73389C3022 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:29:50 +0100 (CET) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 17so1103078ugm.14 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:29:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=bPN65q+c+HXdhDMV3GiJ2Ro8AETwj/VeoVT5pt1qdpw=; b=pmBOzGAw2TtU5f40bHEA9ZmsnCb+fnY+cbQARrxgXnHcUzPuP7iEcQF1gXSYZygGcs 7+tjwd8ZsF+zTOXBZiz4rIQQbRNwyz26seSw5PtvO1HJ9BYn8x1KECfrrgJxHOr5kofq N+in9TigCtstNzcIDr1Jaml/Ex/hTmVjQoOv0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=NjtJOFl2/dqEEHdQeCTUeDptm3aPP82UFHWpQkEi2l3lNdzn+gws/SrPA0U2++tdAj 4uVCQ27fex3fUPWWk/qd57+CDWo+0T4XjGtnuW1m81itGxsSUT+o9xJv15Xx3CNy0zs8 lzQU2iiYsZDjASYzaDCVgz4vmjS0kwQ6llKI8= Received: by 10.103.174.16 with SMTP id b16mr1440634mup.28.1226024990253; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:29:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.252.13 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:29:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:29:50 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e43e0e00e97c0d28 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 03:30:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913a82985258512572685 Wayne, I'll extend an OM/Zuiko credit to you so your TOPE entry will be accepted. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 03:37:16 2008 Received: (qmail 3312 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 02:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 02:37:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE57C303F; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:37:04 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:37:04 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB34C2985 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:37:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081107023702.EVLW8828.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:37:02 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id c2d31a0034vDLwc022d3gT; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:37:03 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=lf1OUg4PAa0KqhjAWq8A:9 a=JAlpTwNNA8gan2TGA_kA:7 a=nKYlbhiTcBu3yWrcdgR3r1WqeFIA:4 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <0C4E418769454D62A130BD8959A0AF89@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <484820.81253.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4913670D.6020106@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:37:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 03:37:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913a9dc322221234514069 One hour labs use chemistry that is not replenished, and don't have flowing water. Stuff is in most cases run beyond exhaustion, and wash is not reliable. Don't use minilabs for anything that matters. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:00 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal > > We still have the equipment, the Polaroid Propalette 8000 which capable of > 8000 lines output but this is not an economic way for digital archival. > > Talking about film, fading loss is not that significant if they are > processed properly. I have some 25 years old negative that only has little > color shift but many 10-15 years old poorly processed negative with color > shifted like crazy especially the white (more exposed) area, I believe > they > are caused by the unreliable one hour labs. At the mean time most of the > slides still look great after 20 years. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> Yes, using a device called a "film recorder" >> >> >> I think CH Ling used to do (and maybe still does) this type of work as >> part of his business. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> AS wrote: >>> They did introduce a single use card but last time I saw one they >>> were not cheap! Better off getting a regular card. I think they also >>> marketed one under the "Kodak" brand name that had a 50 year life or >>> something. >>> >>> What will happen when CF's are no longer available? For that matter - >>> SD, XD, etc. No card readers! With the way things are going - they >>> will go to media heaven - much like the cassette tape! >>> >>> Is there a way to convert digital image to negative or slide? > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 5:36 PM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 03:54:42 2008 Received: (qmail 21169 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 02:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 02:54:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAA4C2F86; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:54:31 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:54:31 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA50C2AD9 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:54:30 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 1239 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2008 02:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2008 02:54:26 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081106213539.022cb240@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:54:20 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <4480B75B-33A6-47FA-B986-2BA975989AFB@ucr.edu> References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <322BC900-2F17-4CA3-B46F-7526447B1238@millennics. com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <4480B75B-33A6-47FA-B986-2BA975989AFB@ucr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 03:54:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913adf2193389117217770 Bummer, I have at least three Olympus OM straps, and one OM-4t camera left. But, I'm just not that industrious with film to make the effort to get it developed and scanned. I admire those who do here on the list. I'm probably more of a plaudits person than photographer, at least on occasion... as I'm more of an intellectual arm chair photog dilettante than true visionary artist, and often a bit gaseous at that. WayneS. At 08:49 PM 11/6/2008, siddiq wrote: >I believe any Oly component makes it fair game (so Zuiko on Canyon >should be OK, I believe we had a Moose submission that was later >updated to be full OM/Zuiko). > >Not sure if Olympus skylight filter or handstrap on a Canyon would >count however :P ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 04:02:07 2008 Received: (qmail 363 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 03:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 03:02:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A60DC2B84; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 04:01:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:01:54 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.226.244]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23DCC319C for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 04:01:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from [138.23.74.123] ([138.23.74.123]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id DJY53870 (AUTH siddiq@ucr.edu) for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:00:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5EABBD0A-18B8-41BD-9D1B-2216C3E4BC21@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081106213539.022cb240@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:00:53 -0800 References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <322BC900-2F17-4CA3-B46F-7526447B1238@millennics. com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <4480B75B-33A6-47FA-B986-2BA975989AFB@ucr.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106213539.022cb240@zuik.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: siddiq@ucr.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 04:02:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913afaf199131529615919 What about Zuiko>EOS adapters? On Nov 6, 2008, at 6:54 PM, WayneS wrote: > Bummer, I have at least three Olympus OM straps, and one OM-4t > camera left. But, I'm just not that industrious with film to make > the effort > to get it developed and scanned. I admire those who do here on > the list. I'm probably more of a plaudits person than photographer, > at least on occasion... as I'm more of an intellectual arm chair > photog > dilettante than true visionary artist, and often a bit gaseous at > that. > > WayneS. > > At 08:49 PM 11/6/2008, siddiq wrote: > >> I believe any Oly component makes it fair game (so Zuiko on Canyon >> should be OK, I believe we had a Moose submission that was later >> updated to be full OM/Zuiko). >> >> Not sure if Olympus skylight filter or handstrap on a Canyon would >> count however :P > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 04:31:58 2008 Received: (qmail 16925 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 03:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 03:31:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8895DC31E9; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 04:31:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:31:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4278BC33C6 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 04:31:45 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 26635 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2008 03:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2008 03:31:42 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081106220905.0229a250@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:31:35 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <5EABBD0A-18B8-41BD-9D1B-2216C3E4BC21@ucr.edu> References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <322BC900-2F17-4CA3-B46F-7526447B1238@millennics. com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <4480B75B-33A6-47FA-B986-2BA975989AFB@ucr.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106213539.022cb240@zuik.net> <5EABBD0A-18B8-41BD-9D1B-2216C3E4BC21@ucr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 04:31:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913b6ae208431823421471 Yes I have an OM to EOS adapter. I'll just have to overcome my declension. Those auto-focus IS lenses and all... Problem is, when the camera bag is in hand, the minimum weight has priority. Used to be, with an OM-4t, no problem, but the bag is now twice as big with half the number of lenses, maybe only one lens == to the prior OM bag with 3 lenses. And with that 12GB flash, I can take 691 bad pictures, even though I rarely shoot more than 36 at any one time. Most I have shot in a while was Halloween night in Boston: http://www.zuik.net/5D/HW2_MG_5817.jpg - 5d with 24-105, no OM. WayneS At 10:00 PM 11/6/2008, you wrote: >What about Zuiko>EOS adapters? > >On Nov 6, 2008, at 6:54 PM, WayneS wrote: > >> Bummer, I have at least three Olympus OM straps, and one OM-4t >> camera left. But, I'm just not that industrious with film to make >> the effort >> to get it developed and scanned. I admire those who do here on >> the list. I'm probably more of a plaudits person than photographer, >> at least on occasion... as I'm more of an intellectual arm chair >> photog >> dilettante than true visionary artist, and often a bit gaseous at >> that. >> >> WayneS. >> >> At 08:49 PM 11/6/2008, siddiq wrote: >> >>> I believe any Oly component makes it fair game (so Zuiko on Canyon >>> should be OK, I believe we had a Moose submission that was later >>> updated to be full OM/Zuiko). >>> >>> Not sure if Olympus skylight filter or handstrap on a Canyon would >>> count however :P >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > >============================================== >List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 06:02:12 2008 Received: (qmail 310 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 05:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 05:02:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F331CC31E0; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:01:59 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:01:59 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.226.244]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2F8C3069 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:01:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (pool-71-110-197-153.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.110.197.153]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id DJY96095 (AUTH siddiq@ucr.edu) for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:01:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <37733017-62ED-42AE-92C9-0AD4219031C2@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081106220905.0229a250@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:01:19 -0800 References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <322BC900-2F17-4CA3-B46F-7526447B1238@millennics. com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <4480B75B-33A6-47FA-B986-2BA975989AFB@ucr.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106213539.022cb240@zuik.net> <5EABBD0A-18B8-41BD-9D1B-2216C3E4BC21@ucr.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106220905.0229a250@zuik.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: siddiq@ucr.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 06:02:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913cbd453937350615338 Then i suggest you mount your favourite Zuiko (mine being the 50/1.4, perfect for night), and go shoot! Seriously! Looking forward to seeing your submission :P On Nov 6, 2008, at 7:31 PM, WayneS wrote: > Yes I have an OM to EOS adapter. I'll just have to overcome my > declension. > Those auto-focus IS lenses and all... Problem is, when the camera > bag is in hand, the minimum weight has priority. Used to be, with an > OM-4t, no problem, but the bag is now twice as big with half the > number > of lenses, maybe only one lens == to the prior OM bag with 3 lenses. > > And with that 12GB flash, I can take 691 bad pictures, even though I > rarely shoot more than 36 at any one time. Most I have shot in a while > was Halloween night in Boston: > > http://www.zuik.net/5D/HW2_MG_5817.jpg - 5d with 24-105, no OM. > > WayneS > > At 10:00 PM 11/6/2008, you wrote: > >> What about Zuiko>EOS adapters? >> >> On Nov 6, 2008, at 6:54 PM, WayneS wrote: >> >>> Bummer, I have at least three Olympus OM straps, and one OM-4t >>> camera left. But, I'm just not that industrious with film to make >>> the effort >>> to get it developed and scanned. I admire those who do here on >>> the list. I'm probably more of a plaudits person than photographer, >>> at least on occasion... as I'm more of an intellectual arm chair >>> photog >>> dilettante than true visionary artist, and often a bit gaseous at >>> that. >>> >>> WayneS. >>> >>> At 08:49 PM 11/6/2008, siddiq wrote: >>> >>>> I believe any Oly component makes it fair game (so Zuiko on Canyon >>>> should be OK, I believe we had a Moose submission that was later >>>> updated to be full OM/Zuiko). >>>> >>>> Not sure if Olympus skylight filter or handstrap on a Canyon would >>>> count however :P >>> >>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 06:04:57 2008 Received: (qmail 140 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 05:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 05:04:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886F7C2D56; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:04:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:04:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.threshinc.com (mail.threshinc.com [209.189.206.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0962EC2F46 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:04:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from figaro.threshinc.com (unknown [209.189.223.38]) by mail.threshinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D0A8239C75B for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:04:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20081106205412.02778000@mail.threshinc.com> X-Sender: pklein@threshinc.com@mail.threshinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:04:44 -0800 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Peter Klein Subject: [OM] IMG: Tryptich Cani Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pklein@threshinc.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 06:04:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913cc79319178512572685 Now it can be told... I took this shot a couple of weeks ago, but didn't reveal it because I'd entered it in the monthly contest on the LUG. The pictures don't have to be taken with Leicas. Last month's theme was "three." Well, I got an honorable mention. The photo was taken with the E-510, and the older 40-150 f/3.5-4.5, as long as it would go, wide open, at 1/30. Ain't image stabilization grand? Anyway, this scene probably won't ever be displayed behind the altar of a cathedral, but it's fun... http://contest.leica-users.org/main.php/v/0810/TryptichCani.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 This one--which placed just behind the above--is several years old, taken with the E-1 and 14-54. http://contest.leica-users.org/main.php/v/0810/PinkTriplets.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 The whole contest here: http://contest.leica-users.org/main.php/v/0810/ --Peter ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 06:24:37 2008 Received: (qmail 11068 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 05:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 05:24:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093F3C2FE0; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:24:26 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:24:25 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A096C3185 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:24:25 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 5756 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 05:24:24 -0000 Received: from dsl081-113-027.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) (stevegoss@[64.81.113.27]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Nov 2008 05:24:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4913D0F5.9050602@speakeasy.net> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:24:05 -0600 From: Steve & Alicia Goss User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 26/10/2008: my kingdom References: <92F4D9EC-75BE-41CD-9E63-78DB96BCC1C7@frozenlight.eu> <9766B0D8-71EE-42F0-AD30-91580764BFA0@people.net.au> <046901c93c71$2ccc7e60$6501a8c0@hpd220> <901b226d0811011830g16493adfid3b10b3403db3451@mail.gmail.com> <901b226d0811011846p370fc972t8b3466917f222b2d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: stevegoss@speakeasy.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 06:24:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913d115281822046811720 Since I once again have a working Olympus digicam, here's where this message was sent from. Thanks, Steve Goss, Dallas Tx usa ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 07:13:49 2008 Received: (qmail 8541 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 06:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 06:13:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE3DC28E7; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:13:38 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:13:38 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 42C7EC2967 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:13:36 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 13646 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 06:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 06:13:32 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <610200DF-9D7F-47C1-BA1E-74A05BB6C817@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:13:28 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 07:13:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913dc9d167161499373980 That's compensated for by the fact that the red pixels fade a bit quicker... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/11/2008, at 9:54 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > That said, dropping cards can cause problems with the images stored on > them. You may see dented pictures. Also, green pixels are heavier > than > blue and red pixels so there might be color fringing as the green > pixels > shift two or three positions over. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 08:11:36 2008 Received: (qmail 6022 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 07:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 07:11:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3D7C2AC5; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:11:24 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:11:24 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71571C2FEC for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:11:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5872299693 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:11:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MvSWdaDm8DiZ for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:11:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450682299684 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:11:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4167AE3B-8121-4AA4-B570-DBAE10AC34ED@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081107024015.2D088C315A@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: HD prices, was Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:11:20 -0800 References: <20081107024015.2D088C315A@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 08:11:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913ea2894631946193717 > From: "Ian Manners" > > My first 80Mb harddisk cost me AU$1,100.00 > Showing my age :o) Not to engage in one-upmanship, but my first hard disk held six 8" platters, had a seek time of ~100mS, held 4MB, and cost $1,800 for a pair, with controller and S-100 bus card! I used them on CP/M and HDOS on the Heathkit H-89 computer I built. :::: We got the best politicians in this country that money can buy. -- Will Rogers :::: Jan Steinman ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 08:29:48 2008 Received: (qmail 1914 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 07:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 07:29:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2FEC2CA5; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:29:36 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:29:36 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88019C30F1 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:29:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE662299E02 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:29:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gblPbZjdQ-lW for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:29:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F002299DF1 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:29:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081107024015.2D088C315A@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Cost of gas [Was Re: OT American express] Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:29:29 -0800 References: <20081107024015.2D088C315A@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 08:29:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913ee6c77283675314703 > From: John Hudson > > Jan .................. you're overdosed on Thomas Robert Malthus ! Malthus did not foresee the one-time gift of fossil energy. I don't see his work as fundamentally flawed; just off by two hundred years. Could there be another such gift waiting in the wings? Could cold fusion pan out? Could dark energy be harnessed? Could Andromoden extra- terrestrials land and give humans the secret of the Andromoden energy source? Perhaps so. But I wouldn't bet on it. But just for the sake of argument, let's say we somehow come up with some way of continuing to expand energy usage by 2% every year. As Stephen Hawking put it, by the year 2500, the entire land surface of the planet will be covered, shoulder-to-shoulder, by human beings, and the entire planet will glow a dull red from our waste heat. Or as Garrett Hardin put it, "Given an infinite source of energy, population growth still produces an inescapable problem. The problem of the acquisition of energy is replaced by the problem of its dissipation." See, I overdose on much more than Malthus. In fact, I've never actually read Malthus; there are much better, more precise, peer- reviewed modern versions. I prefer the ecologist HT Odum, historian Arnold Toynbee, sociologist William Catton, and anthropologist Joseph Tainter. And don't forget Dmitry Orlov and John Michael Greer. Sneering at Malthus has become fashionable among those who feel entitled to the American way of life. But among those who make a living studying such things, there is near-consensus that a big fall is on the horizon -- unless, deus ex machina, a miracle occurs... :::: You know what? What makes our economy grow is energy. And Americans are used to going to the gas tank, and when they put that hose in their, uh, tank, and when I do it, I wanna get gas out of it. And when I turn the light switch on, I want the lights to go on, and I don't want somebody to tell me I gotta change my way of living to satisfy them. Because this is America, and this is something we've worked our way into, and the American people are entitled to it, and if we're going improve our standard of living, you have to consume more energy. -- Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) :::: :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 08:40:28 2008 Received: (qmail 7122 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 07:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 07:40:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E5CC2ACF; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:40:16 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:40:16 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2EDC295E for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:40:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF70229A2D6 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:40:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k7lCcHDVzo82 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:40:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE16229A2C7 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:40:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3BCF3EDB-7745-467E-A443-29DB273329FA@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081107024015.2D088C315A@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:40:12 -0800 References: <20081107024015.2D088C315A@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 08:40:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913f0ec267338512572685 > From: Chuck Norcutt > > I don't know why the water... hadn't already caused a short because > there were > lots of submerged 400 volt cables. Maybe just the fact that it was > deionized... Pure water is actually a decent insulator, with conductivity about one millionth that of sea water and about a thousandth that of drinking water. http://www.lenntech.com/water-conductivity.htm But even drinking water will not "cause a short," although it can deliver the 10 or so milliamps it takes to stop a beating heart. :::: We can only continue to use oil as long as it lasts. We should be looking for other sources of energy. There's only one that's big enough, it's free, and good for at least a billion years. That's the sun. We must move into solar energy. -- M. King Hubbert, 1976 :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 08:48:20 2008 Received: (qmail 5868 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 07:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 07:48:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD20C301A; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:48:08 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:48:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6CDC2C60 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:48:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8186D229A67E for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:48:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lu0itkBHj1Fl for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5190E229A66F for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:48:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <7FB87F95-5F14-4D95-AFCC-6BFE3393600F@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081107024015.2D088C315A@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: dropping cards [was: Lexar 4gb CF Deal] Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:48:02 -0800 References: <20081107024015.2D088C315A@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 08:48:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913f2c48111823421471 > On 11/6/08 5:54 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: >> That said, dropping cards can cause problems with the images stored >> on >> them. You may see dented pictures. Also, green pixels are heavier >> than >> blue and red pixels so there might be color fringing as the green >> pixels >> shift two or three positions over. I accidentally dropped on in the blender the other day: http://www.Bytesmiths.com/Personal/_A222234.jpg :::: Just a middle-aged person in a middle-aged civilization that has used half the resources of a middle-aged planet circling a middle-aged star in a middle-aged galaxy in a middle-aged universe. Enjoy the ride -- it's all downhill from here! :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 08:58:29 2008 Received: (qmail 7258 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 07:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 07:58:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7173C2AB6; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:58:17 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:58:17 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA564C2E84 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:58:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d220-238-0-23.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.0.23]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA77w9Hv005373 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:58:14 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:58:04 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AclABTXlJltdvK7RR32qPzcmtVUnCAAqUVaw X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 08:58:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913f525319178512572685 > > Just how stable is it, compared to a DVD for instance? > More stable than a DVD standing on it's edge. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 09:28:46 2008 Received: (qmail 26492 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 08:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 08:28:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B7FC3548; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:28:33 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:28:33 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 021DBC36B9 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:28:31 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 3998 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 08:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 08:28:28 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <70EB2C76-139D-4541-B560-F027F56C058C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:28:23 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 09:28:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4913fc3e167498512572685 You tried to stand a Smartmedia card on it's edge? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/11/2008, at 6:58 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > More stable than a DVD standing on it's edge. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 09:49:07 2008 Received: (qmail 23069 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 08:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 08:49:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED691C279C; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:48:55 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:48:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8978C2BA6 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:48:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-105-183-85.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.105.183.85]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA78me1E028590 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:48:52 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:48:35 +1100 Message-ID: <3B565BBABC104C768E3376D99FF274FF@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AclALh09XQfEcRLVSWq4rM2tKSie+AAhzhSA X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 09:49:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49140103301411234514069 > > Soooo, as far as I'm concerned, you're all welcome to take > pictures for TOPE 36 still, until say the end of this weekend. > > Okidokes: looking forward to receiving entries...:) > Mine'll be a bit late, just dropped the E-6 in for processing today, the lab I use is down to processing E-6 1 day/week, a few years ago they ran it 6 days/week. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 10:09:23 2008 Received: (qmail 2379 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 09:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 09:09:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0FAC3205; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:09:11 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:09:11 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.154]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D7CC31D4 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:09:11 +0100 (CET) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so840877fge.11 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:09:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=fPjUdcVF5OmxLl3DyRZQTLz+3aPT8YZ17nXR1pd6zyA=; b=ijD0L0edd3+BROsS+u/3ncTzwS3zSxarLYa5PJEe2ThiAsd0N7JEnBDWB1TVzp/3o8 XPFfwctWOtOXBSkg4Kd8eirXlBmuu1DYoP1AClTiH7t9cW7ZK0jywUX/CCu24m4D/mrG l5xqzcuICoCNF7VnfjePt4RkaTkA44UV3FeWQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=F+9gBXnPuQndTcNLGSvUKxqElITAALzdi4vbOzpPF+bFcRFvacVe/sF3URSjmt/mdx do+hUCsh6w7TVm3o1P9E4OiUZb89lrca00KuGRXe8fePHahz+I27lPsKqMf2lMTeOIZG w4T1BMpbnKAhKapBLrUTmoM42nwAYb5gmXihM= Received: by 10.86.50.6 with SMTP id x6mr3733115fgx.31.1226048951254; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.70.17 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:09:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <60f983080811070109i364f78b1v808e23500793247e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:09:11 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080811060435l272f7fdaxec04b74063348f69@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 10:09:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491405c3190858512572685 I setup the image memory to max (8000MB) but still hanged :-( --- Michael 2008/11/6 Ken Norton > > You may have run out of memory. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 10:36:45 2008 Received: (qmail 26281 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 09:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 09:36:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6B8C3704; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:36:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:36:30 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-1.orange.nl (smtp-1.orange.nl [193.252.22.241]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F01C298B for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:36:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6003.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 806442400089 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:36:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6003.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2F7052400088 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:36:28 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081107093628194.2F7052400088@mwinf6003.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: an evening in Rotterdam Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:36:24 +0100 Message-ID: <58B69FA2FB4F428CA9A9D0FEAD614271@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3BECE751-D2C0-4188-BFE9-DFE5FE264710@frozenlight.eu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 10:36:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49140c2d259591993019900 Hi Nathan, Nice set of photos Nathan. I worked in Rotterdam for about a year. Well known landmarks. I have planned an evening stroll there for long, but never came to it yet. In the photodetails I noticed some were taken at 25mm and at aperture 2.0. Do I conclude correctly that you used the Leica D summilux 1.4/25mm? Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Nathan Wajsman > Verzonden: donderdag 6 november 2008 19:04 > Aan: Leica Users Group; leica@freelists.org; > olympus@ml.free.fr; Picture a Day discussion group > Onderwerp: [OM] IMG: an evening in Rotterdam > > > > Last night, on my way home from Denmark, I spent a pleasant evening > walking around Rotterdam and dining with fellow LUGger and friend > Michiel Fokkema: > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6480073_qz6Mz#411325693_zBRvj If you are in the company of the right person, then even a dreary November evening in the Netherlands is pleasant! Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 10:48:55 2008 Received: (qmail 1296 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 09:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 09:48:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786D3C30C1; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:48:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:48:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBDAC2D38 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:48:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-105-183-85.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.105.183.85]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA79mSln015817 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:48:38 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:48:23 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AclAMbMmWwCBk82NS7aVkVypbG8dRAAhCGrg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 10:48:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49140f07300561838542571 > > To date, Flash Memory has not been considered to be > "archival" by any means. In fact, within the telecom > industry it has already been proven to be, uh, less than > stable. I understand and agree with what Wayne is saying, > but in actual practice we're experiencing failures. From what > I'm hearing from my cohorts on the supply side--it is looking > like about 5% of 36 months of in-service devices are > experiencing corrupted memory. Inotherwords, one out of > every 20 boxes is getting random failures pointing directly > to corrupted flash memory withing three years. This 5% > failure rate definitely coincides with our own experiences. > What really gets one sweating is when you have a device that > needs rebooting and it doesn't come back online because the > programming and configuration, which is stored on flash > memory is corrupted. Trust me, it happens more often than > anybody wants to admit. That's why, in our own company, we > have a pretty tough procedure to follow before we ever cycle a box. > The company I'm working for use ruggedised PDAs for various business functions, they sit in a cradle in a truck most of the time so are subject to a fair amount of vibration and temperature cycling. We have around 250 in use and we probably have to reload the software for 5 per week. The software is on an SD card which also is used to store temporary data. We've been using a variety of SD cards from different manufacturers and the rate of failure doesn't seem to correlate with the manufacturer (once we weeded out one manufacturer of particularly cheap and nasty cards). At one stage I put a lot of "failed" cards aside and tested them with some data recovery software (Lexar ?) which did a number of write/read cycles of the complete media and I couldn't duplicate the problems. The current consensus seems to be that the problems we see are related to the tough mechanical conditions that the cards are subjected to, probably the connection between the PDA and the SD card. This doesn't really answer any questions about how long the data will survive on archived cards but may be related to some of the failures we notice with this type of media in digital cameras. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 11:02:18 2008 Received: (qmail 14058 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 10:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 10:02:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51215C38A6; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:02:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:02:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B39FC370E for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:02:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-105-183-85.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.105.183.85]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA7A1qCM021793 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:02:02 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:01:47 +1100 Message-ID: <65E14E6B122044A78AB3DB5505B5A959@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <86d5d0470811061132n6e4b588ft13ffdfc1fe7defce@mail.gmail.com> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AclARoT//fKjgWLuTIKuX9zj7FmRlgAd/Cxg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 11:02:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4914122a98711257536491 > > Film loses data too within 10 years, doesn't it ? The only > benefit is the image is still viewable even though it's blur > or the color fades. > I don't know about blur (never noticed it), dyes can change colour. I've scanned some pretty old b&w negs (40yo) of mine and some older stuff that a few people have got me to scan and print which don't "appear" to have degraded (good density, contrast & sharpness). I've also got a few old family portraits, probably 100yo which still look pretty good. Even with colour dyes the changes are gradual and if not perfect they can be used to make good prints, however when digital media fails it is usually catastrophic, a few bits dropped from the wrong part of a CD and it's stuffed. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 11:04:43 2008 Received: (qmail 15661 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 10:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 10:04:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22E0C2B9D; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:04:28 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:04:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19A4C3976 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:04:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-105-183-85.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.105.183.85]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA7A4Km0009015 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:04:24 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:04:15 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AclATymFSNCfYhHnTG6kH5Eyy+uFPwAcNUXQ X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 11:04:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491412bb58441585427447 > The DVD stack is over two > inches thick and they are sealed in freezer bags > Ok, so the bits fall off the DVDs but they're still in the freezer bag somewhere ! ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 11:08:23 2008 Received: (qmail 28891 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 10:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 10:08:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BDCC33CC; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:08:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:08:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24AEC3160 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:08:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-105-183-85.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.105.183.85]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA7A7vGm012626 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:08:07 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:07:52 +1100 Message-ID: <9FCFAED580A84D538F6BA971DBC2547B@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <484820.81253.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AclAWO6Ic1bPOTbVSw2Znm6fk88NmAAZ3vyg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 11:08:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49141397264151257536491 > > They did introduce a single use card but last time I saw one > they were not cheap! Better off getting a regular card. I > think they also marketed one under the "Kodak" brand name > that had a 50 year life or something. > I'll believe the "50 year life" story in 50 years ! I know I've got 100yo silver prints that still look good. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 11:13:56 2008 Received: (qmail 29441 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 10:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 10:13:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FCEC2C66; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:13:44 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:13:44 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.231]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08163C2DDC for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:13:44 +0100 (CET) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so648217qbc.11 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:13:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.141.13 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:26:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <27f57c7d0811070226q251a1832x3e981b832fdbb996@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:26:54 +0000 From: "andrew elliott" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] quick question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 11:27:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491417fb110071234514069 Hello list. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good mail order colour neg film d&p lab in UK. I used to use fujifilm lab but they now only sell film and don't seem to have a processing service. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 11:34:41 2008 Received: (qmail 13570 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 10:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 10:34:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5578FC27B2; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:34:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:34:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB25FC2ED8 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:34:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20081107103428.HQQX1691.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:34:28 +0000 Received: from user4fec106f50 ([81.99.10.243]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20081107103428.VUQC21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@user4fec106f50> for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:34:28 +0000 From: "David W Bell" To: References: <27f57c7d0811070226q251a1832x3e981b832fdbb996@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: quick question Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:34:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4D4C2FE3609F48F7B81A378089D0044C@user4fec106f50> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <27f57c7d0811070226q251a1832x3e981b832fdbb996@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclAw2VapfiETugpQXWThTtC1hhveAAAONQg X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HLew2MZyAAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=mDDz-DOu4yVnVu5nFjMA:9 a=79qoV8bU290EL-34DBJDwaQnskoA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: david.w.bell@ntlworld.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 11:34:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491419c1225071823421471 I have used this company successfully Dave http://www.thephotoshoponline.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of andrew elliott Sent: 07 November 2008 10:27 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] quick question Hello list. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good mail order colour neg film d&p lab in UK. I used to use fujifilm lab but they now only sell film and don't seem to have a processing service. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 11:36:20 2008 Received: (qmail 19274 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 10:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 10:36:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F96C2B29; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:36:09 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:36:09 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3191FC2D9B for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:36:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-105-183-85.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.105.183.85]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA7Aa1Il019170 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:36:05 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:35:56 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <70EB2C76-139D-4541-B560-F027F56C058C@people.net.au> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AclAstsKJ5XnPjg/Tciz5TGBPsfFwgAEYGxQ X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 11:36:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49141a24287945368819438 > > You tried to stand a Smartmedia card on it's edge? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > Nope, but CF is ok ! SD doesn't stand on it's edge either. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 11:46:29 2008 Received: (qmail 20002 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 10:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 10:46:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F5FC32E7; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:46:17 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:46:17 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80126C3124 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:46:17 +0100 (CET) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so873556fge.11 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:46:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=MhiQoU4mPyyn2J0ksGWsBop2xYSIgM3neKsvcSlRkQc=; b=v9250c7EX0XL1iQjKeRBPWxRhMUTdnyje25UegXuWBnSkbzqPdq9tup7Mv3C1BFsIJ fPwiVUi7ZiqMIWE7S7oWAM4y548b1EIAO0pYC9XGBm59Rs74oMAgYjNVz7rdEsPuC2Dv rwb+D+5cGmvD4+JuPz/8PAgtSB+eEpG54ehCM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=n6gjcgJlvK/GJk0x4TmcV5NQ12ua18GC6uMpS2RnuSAkNP1Bov3GYUtw1uyocPA166 02h8s8svyMpno9Ycnz9vw+U00/llNs6TckvebLI01f8RLoXmgVR+eH/EdQEobF0WTo16 0kNbCx6N+5p3M9uAQqVT//PyLAJkDE318iqoA= Received: by 10.86.94.11 with SMTP id r11mr3861864fgb.11.1226054777400; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:46:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.70.17 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:46:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <60f983080811070246t6485535cq40882365aad37be3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:46:17 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F In-Reply-To: <49130CEB.7060103@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080811060435l272f7fdaxec04b74063348f69@mail.gmail.com> <49130CEB.7060103@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 11:46:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49141c85169491023412894 Tried to reboot both the scanner & computer, and uninstall & re-install Vuescan but no any improvement :-( --- Michael 2008/11/6 Chuck Norcutt > I would reboot both the scanner and the computer if you haven't already. > If that doesn't help then try reinstalling VueScan. I don't remember > if you need to uninstall first but check that. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Michael Wong wrote: > > I have taken my first roll 120 B/W negative film. I scan the pictures by > > Canon 8800F but hanged after 100% complete "Scan Passes 2". There is no > > problem for scanning my 120 slide film. I try different setting but no > any > > improvement. I try to scan pictures by the software of Canon & success to > > scan, but the result seems not as good as scanned by Vuescan. It proves > the > > scanner is working. I don't know what happen & how to solve it. I send an > > email to Ed. Hamrick but don't know when he'll reply. > > > > Anyone who experience for it? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 > 5:36 PM > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 12:00:10 2008 Received: (qmail 190 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 11:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 11:00:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71DEC3978; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:59:57 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:59:57 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BE0C3910 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:59:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-105-183-85.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.105.183.85]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA7Axj0A027095 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:59:54 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:59:40 +1100 Message-ID: <8C4677B7109E48C9AB3EFB9741F741FC@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <60f983080811070246t6485535cq40882365aad37be3@mail.gmail.com> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AclAxhgreh1odm2bSCiW3lWPtLap/QAAUzKQ X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 12:00:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49141fba282097350615338 > > Tried to reboot both the scanner & computer, and uninstall & > re-install Vuescan but no any improvement :-( > I don't know if this could have anything to do with it, but I downloaded a new version of Vuescan about a week ago, installed it and it had weird behaviour with my Epson V700 (the preview looked normal but the image displayed looked about 3 stops darker). I uninstalled it and re-installed the previous version (still had a copy of the downloaded file) and all was back to normal. So if you can, try a different version of Vuescan. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 12:09:32 2008 Received: (qmail 28186 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 11:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 11:09:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF6CC3BCF; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:09:20 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:09:20 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423D1C35E5 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:09:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KyPDL-0005VX-V3 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:09:20 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <27f57c7d0811070226q251a1832x3e981b832fdbb996@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: quick question Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:09:24 -0000 Message-ID: <00a001c940c9$4b0283f0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <27f57c7d0811070226q251a1832x3e981b832fdbb996@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AclAw2JfyKeH6eqLTbGDSCGC5E0AcAABP87A X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081106-0, 06/11/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 12:09:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491421ec197283675314703 Peak Processing in Sheffield, at a price. But you did say "good" not "cheap"! http://www.peak-imaging.com/htmls/pap.htm Dlab7 in Guernsey has been OK, but I have not used their C41 service http://www.dlab7.com/ The Fujifilm service has been moved (outsourced to a new contractor?) from Leamington to Leeds, and seems to handle E6 only: http://www.fujifilm-processing-laboratory.com -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of andrew elliott Sent: 07 November 2008 10:27 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] quick question Hello list. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good mail order colour neg film d&p lab in UK. I used to use fujifilm lab but they now only sell film and don't seem to have a processing service. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 12:48:18 2008 Received: (qmail 18756 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 11:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 11:48:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64515C3367; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:48:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:48:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3FAC2E91 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:48:05 +0100 (CET) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 17so1181277ugm.14 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:48:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Qp6KilqZVN8ocBPILbGoeBlbPQDxMuSr6FoHJJrveKw=; b=pOCfc1D36xoGyrXonNpch49xI1uev86J/gdSiXcUm/gYA6dsJsKopR7bdlzGLfCu2K tZA5jgi9qFObE6cBDQALPszYXbPzsB4GEhEjzwQPCIRLuG904efQiBoy+R/N57rSJwyC taFt2F4v46py6EbJiF+9ExJQGhM0oA5+jLOTA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=YcCKmMeeZoqXO/tJAw+vFaGPJHzEKqoLj+wQlrLVnUD5XbCcC9K9t/pzPaV84XBsH+ b0bVfIkUvGe35whZCxq4EAP6peYccht/O8xfhVDh62nHeRHtwJeef63aSHvGBc5RLAJ1 GuDE0J2kfk88zUdZfpEQoIYZhjYHHdZa/QMpc= Received: by 10.210.142.6 with SMTP id p6mr3816719ebd.100.1226058485614; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:48:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:48:05 +0000 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Tryptich Cani In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20081106205412.02778000@mail.threshinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <5.1.0.14.2.20081106205412.02778000@mail.threshinc.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 12:48:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49142b02236071946193717 Fun, and quite fine! Well done. Tom 2008/11/7 Peter Klein > Now it can be told... > > I took this shot a couple of weeks ago, but didn't reveal it because I'd > entered it in the monthly contest on the LUG. The pictures don't have to be > taken with Leicas. Last month's theme was "three." Well, I got an > honorable mention. The photo was taken with the E-510, and the older > 40-150 f/3.5-4.5, as long as it would go, wide open, at 1/30. Ain't image > stabilization grand? Anyway, this scene probably won't ever be displayed > behind the altar of a cathedral, but it's fun... > > http://contest.leica-users.org/main.php/v/0810/TryptichCani.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 > > This one--which placed just behind the above--is several years old, taken > with the E-1 and 14-54. > > http://contest.leica-users.org/main.php/v/0810/PinkTriplets.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 > > The whole contest here: > http://contest.leica-users.org/main.php/v/0810/ > > --Peter > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 12:50:52 2008 Received: (qmail 13462 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 11:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 11:50:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA52FC3A89; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:50:24 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:50:24 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADE9C3F49 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:50:12 +0100 (CET) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so895085fge.11 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:50:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=QyvL/4wy5S5oPi8fSdP/IzqAGF1ViZGL2TOZ3AGeunE=; b=aIqiRvnoN+BzjGB7ubtwaMcdqyYo+timGsevXSCjEpj/1dAGUqw0oRww9qRrzp7f5y XmecNsEONUFNUjMOKSWRNr57M/eowyYwFSRw7m3jgDkzZTiW9H7PCfgm1ufkFWQPXQkd LOP+NuOU6G2/qG5Ha+CnFhJ6dWFpI9WCrKwrw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=H+BGKi+2STZOFC3HIbv8j3KXTk5fn7N6fOMokEFCgRHTxWw6Ah9IZkZxMUD4ZXF6vY dE+id8QZib5HJdUy0DO3ukwaldcAOvnUpuxp1Etdi5q8+2ohQYegYwjNZyUOWSB9u+jp Y430b+EhmAeAOgGYkvKXGZjWarPCq8fZePP8Q= Received: by 10.86.59.2 with SMTP id h2mr3828562fga.73.1226058612320; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:50:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.70.17 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:50:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <60f983080811070350m56613a63q3fab5a385343e2b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:50:12 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F In-Reply-To: <8C4677B7109E48C9AB3EFB9741F741FC@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080811070246t6485535cq40882365aad37be3@mail.gmail.com> <8C4677B7109E48C9AB3EFB9741F741FC@meo.dec.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 12:50:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49142b9c205271257536491 The problem is solved upon I disable Infrared clean option. I wonder there was no any problem to scan B/W negative film by my Nikon LS-40 scanner with Infrared clean option enabled but get problem with my Canon 8800F. Dunno the reason but working now. Thanks for everybody's help, appreciated. --- Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 13:10:39 2008 Received: (qmail 10852 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 12:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 12:10:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CC8C36E5; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:10:27 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:10:27 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F323C2F8A for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:10:26 +0100 (CET) X-Trace: 100988675/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.75.158.52/None/jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.75.158.52 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-MUA: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAG++E0lPS540/2dsb2JhbACNJbwDglKBBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,564,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="100988675" Received: from 79-75-158-52.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO MEDIAPC) ([79.75.158.52]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2008 12:10:20 +0000 From: "Jon Mitchell" To: Subject: [OM] Re: quick question Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:10:28 -0000 Message-ID: <003601c940d1$d2c61830$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00a001c940c9$4b0283f0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081106-0, 06/11/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jon@jonmitch.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 13:10:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4914303f167991234514069 Being slow off-the-mark as usual, Piers beat me to it. Peak are very good. Dlab7 are also quite reasonable, though as Piers says too, I have not used their C41 - only E6. Jon Hello list. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good mail order colour neg film d&p lab in UK. I used to use fujifilm lab but they now only sell film and don't seem to have a processing service. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 13:26:14 2008 Received: (qmail 15019 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 12:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 12:26:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4715C2B5B; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:26:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:26:02 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DC2C2E5A for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:26:00 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 28462 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2008 12:25:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2008 12:25:55 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081107072150.01161768@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:25:49 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <37733017-62ED-42AE-92C9-0AD4219031C2@ucr.edu> References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840710031223j75b4f74ckb867f75f0939f2b0@mail.gmail.com> <4703FA40.5020009@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710031336x68c815begb888d15aa2627d8@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <322BC900-2F17-4CA3-B46F-7526447B1238@millennics. com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <4480B75B-33A6-47FA-B986-2BA975989AFB@ucr.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106213539.022cb240@zuik.net> <5EABBD0A-18B8-41BD-9D1B-2216C3E4BC21@ucr.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106220905.0229a250@zuik.net> <37733017-62ED-42AE-92C9-0AD4219031C2@ucr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 13:26:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491433e698191073733319 At 12:01 AM 11/7/2008, you wrote: >Then i suggest you mount your favourite Zuiko (mine being the 50/1.4, >perfect for night), and go shoot! Seriously! Looking forward to seeing >your submission :P > >On Nov 6, 2008, at 7:31 PM, WayneS wrote: > >> Yes I have an OM to EOS adapter. ... I was wrong. The OM adapter has migrated to another user. I'm stuck with film and a non-working film scanner. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 13:33:00 2008 Received: (qmail 8824 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 12:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 12:32:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7668CC2E8D; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:32:48 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:32:48 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEF3C3921 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:32:47 +0100 (CET) X-Trace: 103984382/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.75.158.52/None/jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.75.158.52 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-MUA: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAEzEE0lPS540/2dsb2JhbACCTSyKLLwmg1Y X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,564,1220223600"; d="scan'208,217";a="103984382" Received: from 79-75-158-52.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO MEDIAPC) ([79.75.158.52]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2008 12:32:45 +0000 From: "Jon Mitchell" To: "Olympus Mailing List" Subject: [OM] Photo Slideshow / Webpage creation software Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:32:50 -0000 Message-ID: <003701c940d4$f4346a50$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081106-0, 06/11/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jon@jonmitch.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 13:33:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4914357c314622070262475 Hi Everyone, I'm after some advice from the collective genius of this list. I am trying to put together a CD/DVD of a whole bunch of photos. I had hoped to create something a bit like a Web Page but on a disc. So far I have looked quite carefully at 2 options - Lightroom and JAlbum. What I want to create is essentially a title page with links to about 6 or 7 sub-albums. With each of these sub-albums, I want to be able to have thumbnails (either to the side or underneath) and a large image in the middle of the screen. I also want the ability to click a button and view it as a full-screen slideshow (ie: no thumbnails, nothing but the picture on the screen). That way the viewer can either choose the photos to look at from the Thumbnails or just view the entire slideshow. The slideshow should be capable of running automatically (eg: one shot every 5 seconds) or manually (eg: cursor keys to cycle through the images). Lightroom seems very good for this, with one small exception. You only seem able to make one album. The title page with numerous sub-albums doesn't seem to be an option. Sure, I could try to write some HTML to create the title page, but I don't have that much of my life left. JAlbum seems good too. Is capable of having sub-albums, but none of the plugin skins I've tried offer the fullscreen slideshow I'm after. So I guess I'm after the best of both applications. Does anyone have any experience of any other applications that may do what I'm after ? Or any recommendations for a JAlbum plugin ? I know I could write my own JAlbum plugin, but as above - I don't have that much of my life left. All advice gratefully received, even if it's just "don't bother". Thanks, Jon PS: And I also forgot, if anyone knows of a DVD Slideshow creator that will create a DVD playable on a domestic DVD player, that'd be useful too. There are lots out there, but so far they all seem to basically give you a Slideshow that runs automatically - I want one that you can either "Play" or choose "Next" / "Previous". I guess that would make the Album a "Title" on the DVD and each photo a "Chapter" ? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 14:31:56 2008 Received: (qmail 24049 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 13:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 13:31:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25191C4084; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:31:41 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:31:41 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4D0C3DBE for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:30:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1136851rvb.29 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:30:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=VbgdpcRFQKgYN1CLxAGJVk0nCKqqR6fZ7EnEGv7ouK4=; b=NgXZQdHPoBpfUb1IL/u6kp0wUcmgGBVj6qSNKXHIHWj4wOTfr2wJNEl/lY9hsmlhML wIeg1/RAAml0zhu0Yc4E0wSABtfNXYpgiNAGzKYQS00GqH961QSfOdhJyJXLkdleDTSH Mzo8JlTeS+bchFrjSOF2NYwe05Hebttf2ffKc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=dNQ2NbHnGvXTrrBiNui7nwGhO2BFJvpNCRGBB4LhQrGecLjYjZh048xz7MEXja14lQ qD3Ue2SwP9Gsqph+79VabT/bsELEMomqv49A2v+14h1VAMwXyqYikVNHkOU0yOnsCdV8 BgLUJv+a6gZ3JrPY+T0b6HQiryKC3PbVnI6RE= Received: by 10.140.201.21 with SMTP id y21mr1771373rvf.102.1226064637715; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.176.3 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 05:30:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:30:37 +0100 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] 18mm you know where for a good price MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikooh@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 14:31:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4914434c153851342116753 260311733742 @ the bay 499 euro, not bad... Iwert ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 15:12:03 2008 Received: (qmail 21352 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 14:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 14:12:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCAA5C2E9D; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:11:50 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:11:50 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275D4C371B for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:11:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9Y006E8VFN8PF2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:11:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:11:49 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-reply-to: <48095A4ABD104783A14FC650E26ACB51@SueHome> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <49144CA5.6040504@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> <48095A4ABD104783A14FC650E26ACB51@SueHome> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 15:12:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49144cb3101411234514069 I can see how a micro drive would be easy to break. I imagine that if CF card is dropped just right, something inside could crack. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Sue Pearce wrote: > Not my experience. Perhaps you're thinking of a microdrive? > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hermanson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:31 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal > > >> I understand that dropping CF card can make it unusable. True? >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>> Just how stable is it, compared to a DVD for instance? >>> What could hurt it? >>> Andrew Fildes >>> afildes@people.net.au >>> >>> >>> >>> On 06/11/2008, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> >>>> I forwarded this link to a friend who reminded me that I had once >>>> predicted that, just like film, where we use the same piece of film >>>> for >>>> both capture and archive, we would eventually use our digital capture >>>> media as our digital storage/archive media. In other words, we'd buy >>>> something like a CF card, use it only once and then store it. >>> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 > 5:36 PM > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 15:12:45 2008 Received: (qmail 22473 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 14:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 14:12:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FF1C2E5E; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:12:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:12:31 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7A8C3918 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:12:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9Y00D60VGTG5X1@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:12:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:12:31 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-reply-to: <0A002A23-EDE4-4116-9428-D6C416B3E1FF@ucr.edu> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <49144CCF.7000000@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> <0A002A23-EDE4-4116-9428-D6C416B3E1FF@ucr.edu> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 15:12:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49144cdd269321585427447 Sure, but I doubt they're indestructible. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > Isn't the whole point of solid state devices to be impervious > (relatively) to shock, vibration, temperature, humidity, etc, within > reason? > > /s > > On Nov 6, 2008, at 8:31 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > >> I understand that dropping CF card can make it unusable. True? >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>> Just how stable is it, compared to a DVD for instance? >>> What could hurt it? >>> Andrew Fildes >>> afildes@people.net.au >>> >>> >>> >>> On 06/11/2008, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> >>>> I forwarded this link to a friend who reminded me that I had once >>>> predicted that, just like film, where we use the same piece of film >>>> for >>>> both capture and archive, we would eventually use our digital >>>> capture >>>> media as our digital storage/archive media. In other words, we'd >>>> buy >>>> something like a CF card, use it only once and then store it. >>> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 15:14:09 2008 Received: (qmail 19627 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 14:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 14:14:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE274C3296; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:13:56 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:13:56 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7BBC2949 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:13:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9Y00DQDVJ7CO60@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:13:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:13:56 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-reply-to: <49136DA9.8090006@chucknorcutt.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <49144D24.2060204@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> <49136DA9.8090006@chucknorcutt.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 15:14:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49144d31255237927319144 I've seen that. COOL! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I doubt it. Check this old news report from 2004 > > > > Chuck Norcutt > > > John Hermanson wrote: >> I understand that dropping CF card can make it unusable. True? >> ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: >> www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>> Just how stable is it, compared to a DVD for instance? What could >>> hurt it? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au >>> >>> >>> >>> On 06/11/2008, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> >>>> I forwarded this link to a friend who reminded me that I had >>>> once predicted that, just like film, where we use the same >>>> piece of film for both capture and archive, we would eventually >>>> use our digital capture media as our digital storage/archive >>>> media. In other words, we'd buy something like a CF card, use >>>> it only once and then store it. >> ============================================== List usage info: >> http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: >> olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - >> http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1770 >> - Release Date: 11/5/2008 5:36 PM >> > > ============================================== List usage info: > http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: > olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 15:14:20 2008 Received: (qmail 1617 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 14:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 14:14:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B497DC32F8; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:14:07 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:14:07 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.224]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8C1C295E for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:14:01 +0100 (CET) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so725932qbc.11 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:14:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=cf/VAjnR3TBnHlLv376iDPogApsMIPX+0hAx0XLg82U=; b=I+KKe86Nf9m/nAhjVIALKm3xa4KOoN7RbtB/iesaUl4M4mepfmExnK3SBBH9JeCbQ/ jg4Or0+t3dJtHlh4mWdQBfmlHl6uPn2uNn54pTQmSWb4Bk1bYd3OkFV51Et6ALucDD9a TrMHxYbqbbRiFFblngo4/vALg1+dsacXQp9fI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Cl+PPbsmhqP4TtZNaJ4chTzFzTU9zHp6koEDqpS19bqZ05tr9RDIhPgKffE3UX7k+S TqpXeEozArqos7dfNrHC+I03yDj9MSYAxC2jl9ghUMSDsGkP7wT0WzFBYLAbFfJB4EMY tdesJvZzb239KdETK6EJn0bTGKU8LW/Jz4vlk= Received: by 10.86.72.15 with SMTP id u15mr4034130fga.45.1226067239810; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:13:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.33.2 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:13:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0811070613n4419672fpd4b8a9e9107f2154@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:13:59 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: test In-Reply-To: <27f57c7d0811070213o7624c7dap204f3216faf29018@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <27f57c7d0811070213o7624c7dap204f3216faf29018@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 15:14:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49144d3c248749117217770 Your test worked Andrew. Charlie On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:13 AM, andrew elliott < andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com> wrote: > test om list > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 15:24:02 2008 Received: (qmail 25866 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 14:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 14:24:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8B0C36EF; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:23:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:23:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087E1C3C4C for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:21:02 +0100 (CET) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so944759fge.11 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:21:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=IFvIOuQ7SI5mYmUpFQDHrmZmF5WSQIIrdnNUtk25Ni0=; b=T2EySCz4FbviBjL8gHojZU9Gc2A7pfCVIuIrLmm/neeNgxC5mWUxeBXYeVbu9XvMkn Ufbxfub1zPkd2KSzCxVFaRDhd0jfISNrii3IZlvP/jfm0F7wyxc8bQixv3HVbazo+Z3r oHSUxL35mX5JJZr+aJQ+hx2v0uNAl4NGTLZMs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=QmqBRqAnUSiM43iMiWb7QCTv/B1Z+WpjFtRdxqBwFHiqIqOZTm1oMVx/kzx2In86kL lU9uTYSbaCfihS5Xwk5TutYX/dhF3JYSIr1vrW7XFa1KrCGf1aayxcNv1jyJDwM5FvY1 c9sYUm8uEDJmwUF7XJ/QgRNh/deHxe1XJ4otM= Received: by 10.86.92.4 with SMTP id p4mr4043538fgb.36.1226067661912; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.33.2 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:21:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0811070621u75cfe350g27fe762cf7d18340@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:21:01 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Tryptich Cani In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20081106205412.02778000@mail.threshinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <5.1.0.14.2.20081106205412.02778000@mail.threshinc.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: charles.geilfuss@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 15:24:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49144f82239221470116606 Well done Peter, I like them both. Do I detect a pattern here? Charlie On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Peter Klein wrote: > Now it can be told... > > I took this shot a couple of weeks ago, but didn't reveal it because I'd > entered it in the monthly contest on the LUG. The pictures don't have to be > taken with Leicas. Last month's theme was "three." Well, I got an > honorable mention. The photo was taken with the E-510, and the older > 40-150 f/3.5-4.5, as long as it would go, wide open, at 1/30. Ain't image > stabilization grand? Anyway, this scene probably won't ever be displayed > behind the altar of a cathedral, but it's fun... > > http://contest.leica-users.org/main.php/v/0810/TryptichCani.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 > > This one--which placed just behind the above--is several years old, taken > with the E-1 and 14-54. > > http://contest.leica-users.org/main.php/v/0810/PinkTriplets.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 > > The whole contest here: > http://contest.leica-users.org/main.php/v/0810/ > > --Peter > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 15:25:14 2008 Received: (qmail 1632 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 14:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 14:25:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD10C39FC; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:24:56 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:24:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92856C477E for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:21:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.89]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081107142133.TBJU1571.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:21:33 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuIKAELYE0lMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIgX/HA4NW Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2008 09:17:16 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:21:31 -0500 Subject: [OM] Re: Photo Slideshow / Webpage creation software From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Photo Slideshow / Webpage creation software Thread-Index: AclA5CErX9hqNqzXEd2TNgAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <003701c940d4$f4346a50$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 15:25:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49144fca188471234514069 Have you looked at ProShow Gold in your investigation? I haven't used it myself, but all the Windows-based "photo essay" creators at my camera club swear by - not at - it. I can't tell from the info on the Photodex Web site whether it will do what you want, but they do offer a free trial. Michael On 11/7/08 7:32 AM, "Jon Mitchell" wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm after some advice from the collective genius of this list. > > I am trying to put together a CD/DVD of a whole bunch of photos. I had > hoped to create something a bit like a Web Page but on a disc. So far I > have looked quite carefully at 2 options - Lightroom and JAlbum. > > What I want to create is essentially a title page with links to about 6 > or 7 sub-albums. With each of these sub-albums, I want to be able to > have thumbnails (either to the side or underneath) and a large image in > the middle of the screen. I also want the ability to click a button and > view it as a full-screen slideshow (ie: no thumbnails, nothing but the > picture on the screen). That way the viewer can either choose the > photos to look at from the Thumbnails or just view the entire slideshow. > The slideshow should be capable of running automatically (eg: one shot > every 5 seconds) or manually (eg: cursor keys to cycle through the > images). > > Lightroom seems very good for this, with one small exception. You only > seem able to make one album. The title page with numerous sub-albums > doesn't seem to be an option. Sure, I could try to write some HTML to > create the title page, but I don't have that much of my life left. > > JAlbum seems good too. Is capable of having sub-albums, but none of the > plugin skins I've tried offer the fullscreen slideshow I'm after. > > So I guess I'm after the best of both applications. > > Does anyone have any experience of any other applications that may do > what I'm after ? Or any recommendations for a JAlbum plugin ? I know I > could write my own JAlbum plugin, but as above - I don't have that much > of my life left. > > All advice gratefully received, even if it's just "don't bother". > > Thanks, > > Jon > > PS: And I also forgot, if anyone knows of a DVD Slideshow creator that > will create a DVD playable on a domestic DVD player, that'd be useful > too. There are lots out there, but so far they all seem to basically > give you a Slideshow that runs automatically - I want one that you can > either "Play" or choose "Next" / "Previous". I guess that would make > the Album a "Title" on the DVD and each photo a "Chapter" ? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 15:44:48 2008 Received: (qmail 19521 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 14:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 14:44:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC6AC3B3A; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:44:36 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:44:36 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB40C3ACD for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:44:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.be0.4832f86a (37566) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-MA11 (webmail-ma11.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.75]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB043-92be4914544f2c; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:44:31 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Tryptich Cani Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:44:31 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.254 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.254 by WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.75) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:44:31 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0EFE7A53A8FD-FC-11B@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 15:44:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49145460270917927319144 Thanks in triplicate for posting. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 16:15:54 2008 Received: (qmail 24323 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 15:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 15:15:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F08C45AD; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:15:35 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:15:34 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02745C47F3 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:13:22 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 12727 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2008 15:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2008 15:13:20 -0000 Message-ID: <49145B10.5070603@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:13:20 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F References: <8C4677B7109E48C9AB3EFB9741F741FC@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: <8C4677B7109E48C9AB3EFB9741F741FC@meo.dec.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 16:15:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49145baa229982046811720 Ooops! I just downloaded and installed the latest VueScan several days ago but haven't tried it out on the V700 yet. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Tried to reboot both the scanner & computer, and uninstall & >> re-install Vuescan but no any improvement :-( >> > > I don't know if this could have anything to do with it, but I downloaded a > new version of Vuescan about a week ago, installed it and it had weird > behaviour with my Epson V700 (the preview looked normal but the image > displayed looked about 3 stops darker). I uninstalled it and re-installed > the previous version (still had a copy of the downloaded file) and all was > back to normal. So if you can, try a different version of Vuescan. > > ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 16:17:19 2008 Received: (qmail 22171 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 15:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 15:17:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26EA6C4A49; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:17:04 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:17:04 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35414C4834 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:14:58 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 13619 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2008 15:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2008 15:14:57 -0000 Message-ID: <49145B71.1030901@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:14:57 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Tryptich Cani References: <5.1.0.14.2.20081106205412.02778000@mail.threshinc.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20081106205412.02778000@mail.threshinc.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 16:17:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49145bff109581702588592 Wonderful! Chuck Norcutt Peter Klein wrote: > Now it can be told... > > I took this shot a couple of weeks ago, but didn't reveal it because I'd > entered it in the monthly contest on the LUG. The pictures don't have to be > taken with Leicas. Last month's theme was "three." Well, I got an > honorable mention. The photo was taken with the E-510, and the older > 40-150 f/3.5-4.5, as long as it would go, wide open, at 1/30. Ain't image > stabilization grand? Anyway, this scene probably won't ever be displayed > behind the altar of a cathedral, but it's fun... > http://contest.leica-users.org/main.php/v/0810/TryptichCani.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 > > This one--which placed just behind the above--is several years old, taken > with the E-1 and 14-54. > http://contest.leica-users.org/main.php/v/0810/PinkTriplets.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 > > The whole contest here: > http://contest.leica-users.org/main.php/v/0810/ > > --Peter > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1772 - Release Date: 11/6/2008 8:23 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 17:05:23 2008 Received: (qmail 3379 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 16:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 16:05:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68107C4C75; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:05:07 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:05:07 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90A6C4DB3 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:52:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9Z002SH031C910@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:52:13 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-127.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.127]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:05:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:52:13 -0400 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgNALTyE0kYigt//2dsb2JhbACBcIgsv2sHg08 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,564,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="219167400" References: <8C4677B7109E48C9AB3EFB9741F741FC@meo.dec.com> <49145B10.5070603@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 17:05:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49146743321051529615919 VueScan's latest version, 8.4.94, still doesn't support RAW files from the E3 or E510. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F > Ooops! I just downloaded and installed the latest VueScan several days > ago but haven't tried it out on the V700 yet. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Wayne Harridge wrote: >>> Tried to reboot both the scanner & computer, and uninstall & >>> re-install Vuescan but no any improvement :-( >>> >> >> I don't know if this could have anything to do with it, but I downloaded >> a >> new version of Vuescan about a week ago, installed it and it had weird >> behaviour with my Epson V700 (the preview looked normal but the image >> displayed looked about 3 stops darker). I uninstalled it and >> re-installed >> the previous version (still had a copy of the downloaded file) and all >> was >> back to normal. So if you can, try a different version of Vuescan. >> >> ...Wayne > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 17:49:08 2008 Received: (qmail 11493 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 16:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 16:49:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A001FC6192; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:48:50 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:48:50 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B46C55F1 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:28:29 +0100 (CET) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 17so1268717ugm.14 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:28:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=naP9feudc5CA17rwsJIN0RAy3KNHl1U58Jjh8ynCOUY=; b=SrOeXjCqHfu5jtIhJ0ktggUlf+j+SlfK8Qf9eBtcySrwooqV2cYYQtm2a/JbIYLquh AziyPtErQfZKjgD5qLxbD2aXM6MFHQgDnBBZXEE0317XWPnEJjOR2fxTNXIm+GBzfB13 HYTdTa1LEdR+za3M6f+GJfSoMoL3RHRT7CLt0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YBXoN5QjeKuCVAWl1l89umjXpc3JlmHkV0psDCLPivMX9q+dVV4wL1mzup6r8yL6rS gYZUTE8J3wE+kmh7kvyy5OS7bgbzr/Lt63CWfJCxX6kKddzyR4NeLtP2cLxK3G/z/2hO UnA052MLIMZTsTlwCV8WbKYOk90AGhpM0fT7c= Received: by 10.67.30.4 with SMTP id h4mr1478665ugj.28.1226075309154; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:28:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ianwmac.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm5049701uga.49.2008.11.07.08.28.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:28:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49146CAB.2090708@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:28:27 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> <49136DA9.8090006@chucknorcutt.com> <49144D24.2060204@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <49144D24.2060204@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 17:49:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49147184151469117217770 Not quite so dramatic but one of mine went through a full 40 deg wash cycle about two years ago and I am still using it today. >> I doubt it. Check this old news report from 2004 >> >> >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 18:46:36 2008 Received: (qmail 32207 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 17:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 17:46:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD84C61BF; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:37:21 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:37:21 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BF4C6086 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:06:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20081107170559H0500cl7jme>; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:05:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <2E3FFFE44D504461964581A1DC17CB05@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <8C4677B7109E48C9AB3EFB9741F741FC@meo.dec.com> <49145B10.5070603@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:05:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 18:46:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49147efc73421702588592 John, You left me confused. Why would one need VueScan to process RAW images from a digital camera? With my Oly E-510, I use the USB cable to download RAW images directly to my hard drive, and process them in Elements 6.0. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F > > VueScan's latest version, 8.4.94, still doesn't support RAW files from the > E3 or E510. > > jh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:13 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F > > >> Ooops! I just downloaded and installed the latest VueScan several days >> ago but haven't tried it out on the V700 yet. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Wayne Harridge wrote: >>>> Tried to reboot both the scanner & computer, and uninstall & >>>> re-install Vuescan but no any improvement :-( >>>> >>> >>> I don't know if this could have anything to do with it, but I downloaded >>> a >>> new version of Vuescan about a week ago, installed it and it had weird >>> behaviour with my Epson V700 (the preview looked normal but the image >>> displayed looked about 3 stops darker). I uninstalled it and >>> re-installed >>> the previous version (still had a copy of the downloaded file) and all >>> was >>> back to normal. So if you can, try a different version of Vuescan. >>> >>> ...Wayne >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 18:59:44 2008 Received: (qmail 21125 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 17:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 17:59:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CEFC6630; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:54:18 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:54:18 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46995C88CB for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:32:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9Z002SD4PZC660@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:32:23 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-127.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.127]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:46:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:32:23 -0400 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Tryptich Cani To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgNADYKFEkYigt//2dsb2JhbACBcIgsv0IHg08 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,565,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="219252525" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20081106205412.02778000@mail.threshinc.com> <49145B71.1030901@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 18:59:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4914821048862046811720 The pink triplets remind me of a tv program aired at least seven years ago on PBS [non-commercial tv out of the US] shot at a convention of identical sibblings held in Nevada. The high spot was footage of identical sisters, all identically dressed and all with identical hair styles, aged 14 or so, emerging from the front door of a not so very large house in Liverpool, England and lining up for the camera. How many girls were there you might ask. Answer ......see way down below. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Tryptich Cani > Wonderful! > > Chuck Norcutt > > Peter Klein wrote: >> Now it can be told... >> >> I took this shot a couple of weeks ago, but didn't reveal it because I'd >> entered it in the monthly contest on the LUG. The pictures don't have to >> be >> taken with Leicas. Last month's theme was "three." Well, I got an >> honorable mention. The photo was taken with the E-510, and the older >> 40-150 f/3.5-4.5, as long as it would go, wide open, at 1/30. Ain't image >> stabilization grand? Anyway, this scene probably won't ever be displayed >> behind the altar of a cathedral, but it's fun... >> http://contest.leica-users.org/main.php/v/0810/TryptichCani.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 >> >> This one--which placed just behind the above--is several years old, taken >> with the E-1 and 14-54. >> http://contest.leica-users.org/main.php/v/0810/PinkTriplets.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 >> >> The whole contest here: >> http://contest.leica-users.org/main.php/v/0810/ >> >> --Peter SEVEN ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 19:40:16 2008 Received: (qmail 1933 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 18:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 18:40:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8ADC5928; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:38:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:38:32 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF1BC3E29 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:01:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from 4.red-83-44-108.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.44.108.4]:50956 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1KyVdj-0006pX-4G (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:01:00 +0000 Message-Id: <1A6C6899-0482-4C4D-9836-9A3812A9E29B@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <58B69FA2FB4F428CA9A9D0FEAD614271@Breedbeeld> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: an evening in Rotterdam X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:00:58 +0100 References: <58B69FA2FB4F428CA9A9D0FEAD614271@Breedbeeld> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 19:40:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49148b90226437927319144 Hi Wiliam, Thanks for looking. I really recommend Rotterdam for a visit. It is a very different city from Amsterdam, but in some ways even more interesting. A lot of the modern architecture is really striking. This was also the first time I have been there at night, all my previous visits have been during the day. And yes, all the pictures were made with the 25mm PanaLeica. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > > Hi Nathan, > > Nice set of photos Nathan. I worked in Rotterdam for about a year. > Well > known landmarks. I have planned an evening stroll there for long, but > never came to it yet. In the photodetails I noticed some were taken at > 25mm and at aperture 2.0. Do I conclude correctly that you used the > Leica D summilux 1.4/25mm? > > Wiliam > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr >> [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Nathan Wajsman >> Verzonden: donderdag 6 november 2008 19:04 >> Aan: Leica Users Group; leica@freelists.org; >> olympus@ml.free.fr; Picture a Day discussion group >> Onderwerp: [OM] IMG: an evening in Rotterdam >> >> >> >> Last night, on my way home from Denmark, I spent a pleasant evening >> walking around Rotterdam and dining with fellow LUGger and friend >> Michiel Fokkema: >> > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6480073_qz6Mz#411325693_zBRvj > > If you are in the company of the right person, then even a dreary > November evening in the Netherlands is pleasant! > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 19:46:18 2008 Received: (qmail 169 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 18:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 18:46:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDA4C340A; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:41:48 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:41:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DABC47BC for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:03:07 +0100 (CET) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 17so1307134ugm.14 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:03:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=eRqDLrYBlB6R1YiIbfgNpaDGqOaHfRA87VNmf20YmR8=; b=BhToezKlahKNIrElj6Irh6nvQc7qr1KVrrP1smp236BdYYRpmQs8uIt2btu+7SogKO 45GgeCR00g78IGDxnpTPvShnmihh7TuEx9aoGDJDKqYW8u27hacqD5CoPLWCsaUNPEn2 j63mMU7/n5kpV3Oi39HgR2mA48RT+gtj0KY3g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=X76H3MYfNkpdBeSuAR3Zb9rPAdzr2Vk4XWTyWDtK0UZxt+QS9oWUIZ1Z2Px+fRjhJ8 oaZ82ecL+sP1R21WIksrgfqyhthxPAZoTFbSBjyQf/4kKov4UqIs/nXE1bxEpqZJWhlK nVUTW67dodpJo3aKA7KS9YTjD5MTGIYGMMclY= Received: by 10.103.222.1 with SMTP id z1mr1937116muq.121.1226080986332; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:03:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.252.13 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:03:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:03:06 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081107072150.01161768@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <4480B75B-33A6-47FA-B986-2BA975989AFB@ucr.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106213539.022cb240@zuik.net> <5EABBD0A-18B8-41BD-9D1B-2216C3E4BC21@ucr.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106220905.0229a250@zuik.net> <37733017-62ED-42AE-92C9-0AD4219031C2@ucr.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20081107072150.01161768@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 48a5feaf9e0f2831 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 19:46:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49148cfa62051234514069 > > I was wrong. The OM adapter has migrated to another user. > I'm stuck with film and a non-working film scanner. > Then just put your OM-5D in manual mode. :) In my book, sir, you have a lifetime free-ride. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 19:48:33 2008 Received: (qmail 20159 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 18:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 18:48:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FEBC71CA; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:45:04 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:45:04 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B50AC61D4 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:03:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cHnn1a0060FhH24AAJ3TXs; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:03:27 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([24.20.172.214]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cJ3S1a00V4du4sg8UJ3TPg; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:03:27 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XfWlaVBwAAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=6heBpvveAAE1xxIBv9MA:9 a=c98_RjAV0dTr2tsWTXygT-utvfAA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> <49136DA9.8090006@chucknorcutt.com> <49144D24.2060204@verizon.net> <49146CAB.2090708@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49146CAB.2090708@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:03:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pelaughlin@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 19:48:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49148d8175481234514069 I have a thumb drive that went thru both the washer and drier and still works fine. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "swisspace" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal > Not quite so dramatic but one of mine went through a full 40 deg wash > cycle about two years ago and I am still using it today. > >>> I doubt it. Check this old news report from 2004 >>> >>> >>> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 19:49:00 2008 Received: (qmail 7387 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 18:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 18:49:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C77C7B7B; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:48:16 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:48:16 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6DDC55BF for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:59:30 +0100 (CET) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so513216eyd.5 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:59:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=U5KV75zFmcrDentmdtQxVFG4O+HyQso9Cp+SEDH/Dx0=; b=BeRoqLIyuMxrgJm2KMBrpAs5X4tY/PjJrj+oaYaXtrOy9ngvkHXVRQLKWq8uosd4Wb ez6p0h/KDHPTQAWgnF8equjfqiycfOV6pTFfcSZ1VEX50BrcGsVhPrf5AlVGCVsAmBUK zky/oYPii+WFrpwE0AEU8E5rcpbYqpZLWkJnQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=PAZ9lo4iQT+InuA6dn6G8sLHO6v9e4Qst+QrE/MZrPCoXExJe9hOvuafq9MDoM4hfz 6Y2c4p+fGlAreyvkCzxYs7dJ94aGEMEerzZamMvdjI2HSoXgufNNun6+hjJMocbFiD2h d6FRSB+Rp8sDjhK1J1rLHu4tiAyjJBKHJTBjU= Received: by 10.103.5.14 with SMTP id h14mr1932688mui.108.1226080769800; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.252.13 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:59:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:59:29 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-Reply-To: <49144CA5.6040504@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> <48095A4ABD104783A14FC650E26ACB51@SueHome> <49144CA5.6040504@verizon.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 04cbc6c2cd7496b0 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 19:49:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49148d9c249751257536491 >I can see how a micro drive would be easy to break. I imagine that if >CF card is dropped just right, something inside could crack. The funny thing about microdrives is that they have NOT experienced that great of a failure rate. Everybody seems so concerned about them, but they've actually been, in use, extremely reliable. Slow? Yes. Power hogs? Yes. Reliable? Yes. I've been very careful in handling mine, by making sure I hold it by the edges, but in-camera, I'm just as rough with the E-1 as I normally am. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 20:06:37 2008 Received: (qmail 30753 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 19:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 19:06:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4EAC78A2; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:04:24 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:04:24 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F47CC43A6 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:17:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A03BC9C3B for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:36:13 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <197DEA6A-F281-4C22-843C-6B32D9948A4D@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <003701c940d4$f4346a50$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Photo Slideshow / Webpage creation software X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:17:55 +0000 References: <003701c940d4$f4346a50$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 20:06:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491491bd148771234514069 Hi Jon Since you use a Mac, why not consider using RapidWeaver? it's from realmacsoftware.com, a small Brighton company, and it's excellent. Bob W uses it for his website, but it is very easily expandable (expansible?) and it's a joy to use for a whole website, as small or as big as you like. Aperture does decent albums as well. Chris On 7 Nov 2008, at 12:32, Jon Mitchell wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I'm after some advice from the collective genius of this list. > > I am trying to put together a CD/DVD of a whole bunch of photos. I > had > hoped to create something a bit like a Web Page but on a disc. So > far I > have looked quite carefully at 2 options - Lightroom and JAlbum. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 20:15:20 2008 Received: (qmail 21548 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 19:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 19:15:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAA0C67A9; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:10:16 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:10:16 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4155BC790D for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:29:37 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 20547 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2008 18:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2008 18:29:35 -0000 Message-ID: <4914890F.6040700@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:29:35 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F References: <60f983080811070246t6485535cq40882365aad37be3@mail.gmail.com> <8C4677B7109E48C9AB3EFB9741F741FC@meo.dec.com> <60f983080811070350m56613a63q3fab5a385343e2b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60f983080811070350m56613a63q3fab5a385343e2b@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 20:15:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491493c8299401585427447 Digital ICE cannot normally scan B&W negatives or slides nor Kodachrome slides because of the silver content. But if having the IR clean option enabled in VueScan causes it to hang then I'd say there is a bug in VueScan. Possibly the reflection from the silver halide particles (which look like dust to the IR channel) has it so bogged down trying to clean what can't be cleaned that it's not really hung but instead is stuck in a (near) never ending loop. Maybe if you let it run it would finish in a month or two. Is the CPU utilization pegged at 100%? :-) Seriously, I think there's a bug. But some versions of Nikon scanners (and Nikon only) have an improved version of Digital ICE (v4) which does allow scanning Kodachrome. I don't know about B&W. Incidentally, the B&W limitation is for true old style B&W, not the chromogenic variety processed as E-6 film. Here's some more info on Digital ICE Chuck Norcutt Michael Wong wrote: > The problem is solved upon I disable Infrared clean option. I wonder there > was no any problem to scan B/W negative film by my Nikon LS-40 scanner with > Infrared clean option enabled but get problem with my Canon 8800F. > > Dunno the reason but working now. > > > Thanks for everybody's help, appreciated. > > > --- > Michael > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1772 - Release Date: 11/6/2008 8:23 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 20:18:01 2008 Received: (qmail 25335 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 19:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 19:18:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DB1C8077; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:12:49 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:12:48 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF53C791A for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:36:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2008 13:36:56 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id KKP80726; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-199-35.s1559.apx1.atn.pa.dialup.rcn.com (HELO PAB0180015360A) ([216.164.199.35]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with SMTP; 07 Nov 2008 13:36:37 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20081107133453.00acdaf8@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: sctroy@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:34:53 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Stephen Troy Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-Reply-To: <49146CAB.2090708@gmail.com> References: <49144D24.2060204@verizon.net> <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> <49136DA9.8090006@chucknorcutt.com> <49144D24.2060204@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: sctroy@erols.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 20:18:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49149469275231869477228 I just spoke with someone at Calumet about the CF card reebate. It appears that Lexar made an error in issuing this particular rebate form, and it is pulling the rebate availability from everyone's internet site (it's already gone from Calumet's site). The good news is that Lexar will honor the rebate if you've already purchased the cards. Adorama's web site shows the rebate ending today, so this sort of confirms the story. So for those of us who jumped on it, it looks like we got a really good deal. Steve Troy ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 20:20:45 2008 Received: (qmail 3446 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 19:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 19:20:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E016C6CD7; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:17:59 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:17:58 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1547BC589E for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:46:33 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 28672 invoked by uid 502); 7 Nov 2008 18:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.206.147) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2008 18:46:31 -0000 Message-ID: <49148CD9.6050800@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:45:45 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F References: <60f983080811070246t6485535cq40882365aad37be3@mail.gmail.com> <8C4677B7109E48C9AB3EFB9741F741FC@meo.dec.com> <60f983080811070350m56613a63q3fab5a385343e2b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60f983080811070350m56613a63q3fab5a385343e2b@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 20:20:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4914950d312062070262475 Michael Wong wrote: > The problem is solved upon I disable Infrared clean option. I wonder there was no any problem to scan B/W negative film by my Nikon LS-40 scanner with Infrared clean option enabled but get problem with my Canon 8800F. > > Dunno the reason but working now. > Michael, I've been away from the list for a few days. I was just catching up and about to ask that you try turning off IR cleaning. IR cleaning can not actually work with silver based B&W film for physical/optical reasons. IR cleaning depends on the fact that IR is stopped by dust particles and affected very little by the dyes in color (and chromogenic (C41 process) B&W film). So the IR scan pass can differentiate between image details dust, hairs, etc. on the film. However, the silver particles that form the B&W image are also opaque to IR light, so practically the whole image is a "dust spot". I suspect that VueScan hasn't crashed, but is engaged in a futile attempt to work with endless dust correction. Leave it a couple of days, and it may complete - leaving a useless image. You may ask why it allows you to choose IR cleaning with B&W. As IR cleaning does work with the C41 process B&W films, it does need to be available for them. I suppose it's also because VueScan is the full tool set for sophisticated users, and allows you to do even dumb things if you want. For example, the dyes in Kodachrome also block IR although not as strongly as silver based B&W. I found that IR cleaning can do a nice job of cleaning up the skies on some old Kodachrome slides while introducing artifacts in the darker parts. So I could combine to scans, one with and one without IR cleaning, to get clean skies. Your Nikon software probably just ignores the IR clean setting with B&W film. I also recall that there were versions of ICE, on Epsons, as I recall, that switched to a non-IR based dust cleaning for B&W. In the Photo-i tests, the results were awful, with poor cleaning and lots of loss of sharpness. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 20:37:27 2008 Received: (qmail 15007 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 19:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 19:37:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41FF5C28C4; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:37:11 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:37:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDADC5AF3 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:11:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from wireless-169-235-52-57.ucr.edu (wireless-169-235-52-57.ucr.edu [169.235.52.57]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id CQV47946 (AUTH siddiq@ucr.edu) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:11:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <197DEA6A-F281-4C22-843C-6B32D9948A4D@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Photo Slideshow / Webpage creation software X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:11:38 -0800 References: <003701c940d4$f4346a50$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> <197DEA6A-F281-4C22-843C-6B32D9948A4D@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: siddiq@ucr.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 20:37:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491498f756265368819438 iPhoto will do the same as well, and is already on his Mac, if he doesn't already have other software. /s On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:17 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > > Hi Jon > > Since you use a Mac, why not consider using RapidWeaver? it's from > realmacsoftware.com, a small Brighton company, and it's excellent. > Bob W uses it for his website, but it is very easily expandable > (expansible?) and it's a joy to use for a whole website, as small or > as big as you like. > > Aperture does decent albums as well. > > Chris > On 7 Nov 2008, at 12:32, Jon Mitchell wrote: > >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I'm after some advice from the collective genius of this list. >> >> I am trying to put together a CD/DVD of a whole bunch of photos. I >> had >> hoped to create something a bit like a Web Page but on a disc. So >> far I >> have looked quite carefully at 2 options - Lightroom and JAlbum. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 21:36:41 2008 Received: (qmail 2845 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 20:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 20:36:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76E1C2BFD; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:36:28 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:36:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA1FC2ABD for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:36:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081107203623.CDWS3771.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:36:23 -0500 Received: from Paul ([68.229.81.220]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id cLcQ1a00K4lClAU02LcQpV; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:36:24 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=pmTyGxiIrCkDNz9uulIA:9 a=kaFx7u-fSOg7rm6xGw0A:7 a=oN0FTWcra3oH90ZX3j2Onx_OAvgA:4 a=-ZQhYGXY2L8A:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Paul" To: References: <49144D24.2060204@verizon.net> <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> <49136DA9.8090006@chucknorcutt.com> <49144D24.2060204@verizon.net> <3.0.5.32.20081107133453.00acdaf8@pop.erols.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:36:24 -0500 Message-ID: <346DBF29D7854985B3E6A9B33364F837@Paul> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20081107133453.00acdaf8@pop.erols.com> Thread-Index: AclBDY1urQvjqMq5QuyXwO/TcrtVeAACs5HA X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pschings@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 21:36:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4914a6d9183501702588592 For those of you who might have ordered the card but didn't get the rebate form, I have the PDF. E-mail me off list and I'll forward it on to you. Paul -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Stephen Troy Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:35 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal I just spoke with someone at Calumet about the CF card reebate. It appears that Lexar made an error in issuing this particular rebate form, and it is pulling the rebate availability from everyone's internet site (it's already gone from Calumet's site). The good news is that Lexar will honor the rebate if you've already purchased the cards. Adorama's web site shows the rebate ending today, so this sort of confirms the story. So for those of us who jumped on it, it looks like we got a really good deal. Steve Troy ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 22:41:39 2008 Received: (qmail 8582 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 21:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 21:41:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B564CC36C1; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:41:28 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:41:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA9EC3AB4 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:41:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from skopar (d58-105-183-85.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.105.183.85]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA7LfKsb027719 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:41:25 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:41:15 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AclBCXA4j6SO+xrNSSCAW2/MDoK0sgAGAgQg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 22:41:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4914b613126541702588592 > > I have a thumb drive that went thru both the washer and drier > and still > works fine. > Paul in Portland OR > Use when "format" is not enough ! ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 23:39:09 2008 Received: (qmail 10612 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 22:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 22:39:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F264C498A; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 23:38:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:38:53 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.224]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60357C5F73 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 23:29:30 +0100 (CET) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so855754qbc.11 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:29:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=kLghxYaHZ6UedPG7X45Jj0Lgpe+jSACaon/0r7kHK5Q=; b=sF0lmDNFR8yIJ0aV+kfizJkNtVwQicpCHvqp7xsiqmwAMonYy2Fo0Bt6Hk/5+ynTf+ 11P9TBF2RpHFGYorByQD5dqGjv2qBdd9GjoTSSWZTM3wGnneTbBge24kLJIG5oZYJkI+ juVrY+PKYI7dQkUKLoGitjsTJmdWrzMFQ6Vu0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=TqRO6/E8CebA1F1vJdeKr1jE6dzIt/FnfxKemOsgaNc0AoeJpf9xDDInbbHasTw+D4 CJmeZoydJZ73EUB3ogFP6Xy1OGv8yiDz+vdPfxDalasZC+C2C9atL9WSQW2a3Y3O90pL cesh52JTl64/O4RmC5ofrVV+pp7yhYdScJf/4= Received: by 10.86.92.7 with SMTP id p7mr4442837fgb.74.1226096969261; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.52.5 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:29:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <27f57c7d0811071429o50a10a68q57b8fb502d8340da@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:29:29 +0000 From: "andrew elliott" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: quick question In-Reply-To: <003601c940d1$d2c61830$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <00a001c940c9$4b0283f0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <003601c940d1$d2c61830$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 23:39:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4914c38d173301470116606 Thanks for your responses. I have been using digital quite a lot for the last 2 years but (irrationally) find that although it does the same job, it somehow feels disposable and unsatisfactory. Hence the need for a good photo lab! 2008/11/7 Jon Mitchell > > Being slow off-the-mark as usual, Piers beat me to it. Peak are very > good. Dlab7 are also quite reasonable, though as Piers says too, I have > not used their C41 - only E6. > > Jon > > > Hello list. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good mail order > colour neg film d&p lab in UK. I used to use fujifilm lab but they now > only > sell film and don't seem to have a processing service. > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Nov 7 23:54:54 2008 Received: (qmail 30265 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 22:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 22:54:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FB4C382E; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 23:54:39 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:54:39 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BED9C34A7 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 23:42:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.c4c.3f71ab41 (37568) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-MA11 (webmail-ma11.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.75]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB045-92c04914c4375d; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:41:59 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:41:59 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.254 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.254 by WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.75) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:41:59 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0F412DF10220-638-8F4@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 7 23:54:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4914c73e202701702588592 If you must keep your data clean, this guy is designed for it. I believe it is only guaranteed for a permanent press cycle, however. Mike http://techreport.com/discussions.x/12606 > > I have a thumb drive that went thru both the washer and drier > and still > works fine. > Paul in Portland OR > Use when "format" is not enough ! ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 00:22:40 2008 Received: (qmail 15739 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 23:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 23:22:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D72DC378E; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:22:28 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:22:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2B0C2FF4 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:22:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.cb4.4643f75e (37166) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-MA11 (webmail-ma11.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.75]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA045-912e4914cdaa130; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:22:18 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] News "Flash" Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:22:18 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.254 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.254 by WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.75) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:22:18 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0F46D000668D-638-AE4@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 00:22:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4914cdc0194391257536491 This is the first hot shoe Q flash I've ever seen. They give a GN of 160 ISO 200----not really much different than the T32. Odd way to give the specs--perhaps some don't do the math. It doesn't list Oly yet as being supported but the Q5dR does. This requires one of their power packs and list the power as 150J. Some of the Q flashes seem to "know" what power pack they are hooked up to and the energy stored varies accordingly. Wonder how they do that. It would be nice to be able to choose max power or recycle time for the situation. Tim has always said that recycle times get long with 4 AA's with > 70 J (T32). The new Metz 58 AF-1 (from an e-mail) stores 87J with 4 AA's. Perhaps they take liberties on the listed "recycle time" as it doesn't appear possible otherwise. Dr. Flash is probably busy making sure his VueScan software is OK, so I'll post this now as he'll never see it. Mike http://www.newsletter.qtm.com/index.php?mnth=200810 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 00:28:25 2008 Received: (qmail 19433 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2008 23:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 23:28:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC423C3D14; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:28:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:28:13 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.66]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id AF9F7C295A for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:28:11 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 34037 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2008 23:28:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=rjMzRmZf+rZtbuCkA7YHYvR8+IEanxCWaIkwj3WjQZasXHdzID4wBt1UtRXVViKflI18gTY+5G+AAE426m6i3DAxuynIJX96kBidpfxYPwvn8k8ZAiYce7yat4GaRdj9wSiP0RClNaQiDQDQJxXbAf5vBrcidbhCye7U6n1O5+0=; X-YMail-OSG: rSpcRrwVM1n3rgEIHrlFs.ZnVF4Zojv1_KTqp3umMQALmUCqCEc41jR4nOQhykT900_wuOCRjljD2eDYcNlevruyqUPVDuW25AI0mvCzOlGrR4cjzeYoh9UNHRRgSITLPO_iOn6PtbzM5zI4aDsBE4As2GC.9mlsj0dWmufCl_PQoTYMxB01AmpkZ7SNG4ZlkX7UMflkr5wTizQ- Received: from [72.75.219.142] by web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:28:10 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:28:10 -0800 (PST) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <346DBF29D7854985B3E6A9B33364F837@Paul> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <93297.34029.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 00:28:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4914cf19224483675314703 Or this: https://www.ironkey.com/forenterprise2?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=M+-+Flash+Drive+For+Search+Opt+yahoo&utm_term=secure%20flash%20drive ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 02:12:21 2008 Received: (qmail 2084 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 01:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 01:12:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA07DC325B; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 02:12:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:12:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C88C2783 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 02:09:44 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 24798 invoked by uid 504); 8 Nov 2008 01:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Nov 2008 01:09:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4914E6D7.8020402@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:09:43 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: News "Flash" References: <8CB0F46D000668D-638-AE4@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB0F46D000668D-638-AE4@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 02:12:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4914e775291561591313764 Just a different way to fudge the numbers. Some won't notice that the spec is at ISO 200 rather than 100 and most won't know how to do the numbers to convert 160 at 200 to 113 at 100. But that's an easier conversion than trying to compare the T32's guide number of 104 at 24mm coverage angle to someone else's guide number given at 105mm coverage angle. It's especially difficult because Olympus also fudges the 24mm coverage number... it's really more like 28mm as there is already 1/2 stop falloff at the edge of the field of a 28mm lens. They also just plain lie about the guide number. I've measured 4 T32s (all within 1/3 stop of each other) and they average a guide number of 84. And, just like the others they also fudge on the recycle time claiming 10 seconds from a full dump. At 10 seconds the flash is still 1/3 stop away from max power and it's still 1/10 of a stop away after 20 seconds. Never believe a flash manufacturer's specs and always use a meter. Dr. Flash usher99@aol.com wrote: > This is the first hot shoe Q flash I've ever seen. They give a GN of > 160 ISO 200----not really much different than the T32. Odd way to give > the specs--perhaps some don't do the math. It doesn't list Oly yet as > being supported but the Q5dR does. This requires one of their power > packs and list the power as 150J. Some of the Q flashes seem to > "know" what power pack they are hooked up to and the energy stored > varies accordingly. Wonder how they do that. > It would be nice to be able to choose max power or recycle time for the > situation. Tim has always said that recycle times get long with 4 AA's > with > 70 J (T32). The new Metz 58 AF-1 (from an e-mail) stores 87J > with 4 AA's. Perhaps they take liberties on the listed "recycle time" > as it doesn't appear possible otherwise. > > Dr. Flash is probably busy making sure his VueScan software is OK, so > I'll post this now as he'll never see it. > Mike > > > http://www.newsletter.qtm.com/index.php?mnth=200810 > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1773 - Release Date: 11/7/2008 9:08 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 06:44:29 2008 Received: (qmail 25609 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 05:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 05:44:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DEC0C3338; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:44:18 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 06:44:18 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6991C33E0 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:44:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KygcL-0007nh-KR for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 05:44:17 +0000 Message-ID: <49152733.2030807@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 05:44:19 +0000 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: quick question References: <00a001c940c9$4b0283f0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <003601c940d1$d2c61830$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> <27f57c7d0811071429o50a10a68q57b8fb502d8340da@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <27f57c7d0811071429o50a10a68q57b8fb502d8340da@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [217.155.39.109] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@m93.myzen.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 06:44:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4915273d99821234514069 You could also take a look at Lab35 - http://www.lab35imaging.com/ - have used them for colour transparencies with good results. Martyn Smoothy andrew elliott wrote: > Thanks for your responses. I have been using digital quite a lot for the > last 2 years but (irrationally) find that although it does the same job, it > somehow feels disposable and unsatisfactory. Hence the need for a good photo > lab! > > 2008/11/7 Jon Mitchell > > >> Being slow off-the-mark as usual, Piers beat me to it. Peak are very >> good. Dlab7 are also quite reasonable, though as Piers says too, I have >> not used their C41 - only E6. >> >> Jon >> >> >> Hello list. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good mail order >> colour neg film d&p lab in UK. I used to use fujifilm lab but they now >> only >> sell film and don't seem to have a processing service. >> >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 07:05:32 2008 Received: (qmail 1821 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 06:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 06:05:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8E1C3632; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:05:20 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 07:05:20 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52C2C36B0 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:05:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from 4.red-83-44-108.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.44.108.4]:51928 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1Kygwf-0000XE-1b (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 06:05:17 +0000 Message-Id: <9F714970-4E4E-47F1-9C53-082094C98309@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] FS: 100mm Apo Macro Elmarit with Leica-Oly adapter Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:05:16 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 07:05:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49152c2c95341234514069 I have decided to sell my 100mm Apo Macro, the best lens I have ever owned but one that does not get much use today since I prefer to carry my Zuiko 50-200mm around instead. The lens is completely clean, with no cosmetic damage and no scratches etc. It comes with the original packaging and pouch and of course both caps. I am the first owner. I will also throw in the the Leica-Olympus adapter which allows use of this lens on any 4/3 camera body. 1000 EUR or equivalent in other currencies. Payment by bank transfer preferred, Paypal OK but add 3%. Shipping included by air mail, other method at cost. Contact me off list on photo@frozenlight.eu if interested. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 09:10:40 2008 Received: (qmail 22079 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 08:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 08:10:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3816C2D24; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:10:25 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:10:25 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F91C3E5C for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:09:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KyitH-0002TI-GQ for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 08:09:55 +0000 Received: from [77.99.183.220] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KyitG-0001oz-Vk for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 08:09:55 +0000 Message-Id: From: James R To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <003701c940d4$f4346a50$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Photo Slideshow / Webpage creation software X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:09:54 +0000 References: <003701c940d4$f4346a50$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: londonjames@mailcan.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 09:10:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491549807911946193717 I think that Shutterbug should do most, if not all, of what you want. And it's only $40 Canadian. I've been very happy using it and received good support from the developer. Take a look. http://xtralean.com/SBOverview.html James On 7 Nov 2008, at 12:32, Jon Mitchell wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I'm after some advice from the collective genius of this list. > > I am trying to put together a CD/DVD of a whole bunch of photos. I > had > hoped to create something a bit like a Web Page but on a disc. So > far I > have looked quite carefully at 2 options - Lightroom and JAlbum. > > What I want to create is essentially a title page with links to > about 6 > or 7 sub-albums. With each of these sub-albums, I want to be able to > have thumbnails (either to the side or underneath) and a large image > in > the middle of the screen. I also want the ability to click a button > and > view it as a full-screen slideshow (ie: no thumbnails, nothing but the > picture on the screen). That way the viewer can either choose the > photos to look at from the Thumbnails or just view the entire > slideshow. > The slideshow should be capable of running automatically (eg: one shot > every 5 seconds) or manually (eg: cursor keys to cycle through the > images). > > Lightroom seems very good for this, with one small exception. You > only > seem able to make one album. The title page with numerous sub-albums > doesn't seem to be an option. Sure, I could try to write some HTML to > create the title page, but I don't have that much of my life left. > > JAlbum seems good too. Is capable of having sub-albums, but none of > the > plugin skins I've tried offer the fullscreen slideshow I'm after. > > So I guess I'm after the best of both applications. > > Does anyone have any experience of any other applications that may do > what I'm after ? Or any recommendations for a JAlbum plugin ? I > know I > could write my own JAlbum plugin, but as above - I don't have that > much > of my life left. > > All advice gratefully received, even if it's just "don't bother". > > Thanks, > > Jon > > PS: And I also forgot, if anyone knows of a DVD Slideshow creator that > will create a DVD playable on a domestic DVD player, that'd be useful > too. There are lots out there, but so far they all seem to basically > give you a Slideshow that runs automatically - I want one that you can > either "Play" or choose "Next" / "Previous". I guess that would make > the Album a "Title" on the DVD and each photo a "Chapter" ? > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 11:28:21 2008 Received: (qmail 9043 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 10:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 10:28:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCD2C2D84; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:28:08 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:28:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4361FC2CD6 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:28:08 +0100 (CET) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so1322079fge.11 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:28:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=j3MdCoKgPZHCfuAYFSh567oCz1cN4EpsK/5WBVZyjek=; b=nZTQ+55D/yT1cbi+P4AyKgy9gEmBTvv+RB1LeFfGWmJDSkqJwXOfGCZO5imFK7kwaD 2yMPnYFSRBucpSdBaQbpIGAfTGhNi3H+mOiOOMZvlVS4RBlmpOkkuRGafPwZllUYelm8 l+axU8mZ1gciPNbWdXNhyf/qS9qPUiXxRiXEE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=MeFYF4/bLG3YtbIEF1ZFFRs/nVSsoYUaB7N3NrLCBX+c4OpCxK805cmF1Ac/kM7ihi 6MzojSZoekRBHwhJ/P9mPHQMGsv72NQ0mi1LpgPBAgyzvOxFd/5NNZow/e/eAs7EeqwL G/A1CMxwXIRikW1a/hNX1wSS1wYbturHhePqU= Received: by 10.86.70.3 with SMTP id s3mr4840268fga.78.1226140088163; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:28:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.70.17 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 02:28:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <60f983080811080228i5d6b0290ncd8837e6327bfeb9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:28:08 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F In-Reply-To: <49148CD9.6050800@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080811070246t6485535cq40882365aad37be3@mail.gmail.com> <8C4677B7109E48C9AB3EFB9741F741FC@meo.dec.com> <60f983080811070350m56613a63q3fab5a385343e2b@mail.gmail.com> <49148CD9.6050800@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 11:28:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491569c5166631946193717 Moose, Thanks for your explanation in details. I scan all 135 B/W negative film with Vuescan + Nikon LS-40 film scanner since the infrared clean is workable, no problem at all (Nikon Scan fail to apply ICE feature for B/W negative films). Thus, I wonder why fail to work for Canon 8800F. Actually I don't know what is different of ICE & infrared clean but the result of infrared clean in Vuescan is pretty good. I seldom scan films with Nikon software upon purchasing Vuescan since I will apply IT8 ICC profile to scan slide films, lock film base color for negative films, Nikon software fails to do these. It's difficult to remove dusts after scanning as large as 120 medium format. It makes me trouble without infared clean :-( --- Michael 2008/11/8 Moose > Michael Wong wrote: > > The problem is solved upon I disable Infrared clean option. I wonder > there was no any problem to scan B/W negative film by my Nikon LS-40 scanner > with Infrared clean option enabled but get problem with my Canon 8800F. > > > > Dunno the reason but working now. > > > Michael, I've been away from the list for a few days. I was just > catching up and about to ask that you try turning off IR cleaning. > > IR cleaning can not actually work with silver based B&W film for > physical/optical reasons. IR cleaning depends on the fact that IR is > stopped by dust particles and affected very little by the dyes in color > (and chromogenic (C41 process) B&W film). So the IR scan pass can > differentiate between image details dust, hairs, etc. on the film. > > However, the silver particles that form the B&W image are also opaque to > IR light, so practically the whole image is a "dust spot". I suspect > that VueScan hasn't crashed, but is engaged in a futile attempt to work > with endless dust correction. Leave it a couple of days, and it may > complete - leaving a useless image. > > You may ask why it allows you to choose IR cleaning with B&W. As IR > cleaning does work with the C41 process B&W films, it does need to be > available for them. > > I suppose it's also because VueScan is the full tool set for > sophisticated users, and allows you to do even dumb things if you want. > For example, the dyes in Kodachrome also block IR although not as > strongly as silver based B&W. I found that IR cleaning can do a nice job > of cleaning up the skies on some old Kodachrome slides while introducing > artifacts in the darker parts. So I could combine to scans, one with and > one without IR cleaning, to get clean skies. > > Your Nikon software probably just ignores the IR clean setting with B&W > film. I also recall that there were versions of ICE, on Epsons, as I > recall, that switched to a non-IR based dust cleaning for B&W. In the > Photo-i tests, the results were awful, with poor cleaning and lots of > loss of sharpness. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 14:18:33 2008 Received: (qmail 24645 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 13:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 13:18:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF30C2BC6; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:18:19 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:18:19 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2176C3BE7 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:11:29 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 1182 invoked by uid 504); 8 Nov 2008 13:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) 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Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F References: <60f983080811070246t6485535cq40882365aad37be3@mail.gmail.com> <8C4677B7109E48C9AB3EFB9741F741FC@meo.dec.com> <60f983080811070350m56613a63q3fab5a385343e2b@mail.gmail.com> <49148CD9.6050800@gmail.com> <60f983080811080228i5d6b0290ncd8837e6327bfeb9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60f983080811080228i5d6b0290ncd8837e6327bfeb9@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 14:18:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491591a995291342116753 Switch to B&W chromogenic films that can be processed as C-41 color negatives are. Or shoot color and post process to B&W Chuck Norcutt Michael Wong wrote: > Moose, > Thanks for your explanation in details. > > I scan all 135 B/W negative film with Vuescan + Nikon LS-40 film scanner > since the infrared clean is workable, no problem at all (Nikon Scan fail to > apply ICE feature for B/W negative films). Thus, I wonder why fail to work > for Canon 8800F. Actually I don't know what is different of ICE & infrared > clean but the result of infrared clean in Vuescan is pretty good. I seldom > scan films with Nikon software upon purchasing Vuescan since I will apply > IT8 ICC profile to scan slide films, lock film base color for negative > films, Nikon software fails to do these. > > It's difficult to remove dusts after scanning as large as 120 medium format. > It makes me trouble without infared clean :-( > > > --- > Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 14:41:48 2008 Received: (qmail 9091 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 13:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 13:41:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E45C2CAC; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:41:36 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:41:36 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DADC2CA7 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:41:36 +0100 (CET) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so1374373fge.11 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 05:41:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=fwSC1eNd9Vf6da8jtFaMnwiHHxH8b/XsGsimauNKP9s=; b=KAomXZdfrado9q1TbgJmSdphqbbdXZ/mkD56TvdM2I6ZK8QQ4gO3dECfktAAev0JQj YHFc/mlC78839dOsHcVvvbdm7Ge9XcRg5zqy9voGdmkiIvZYQik4g22PtT2PEVQl7d+1 FMbY3tWMiXSYEOySU1zbPNjfqoPBS+ZGrIZ4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=SDhaeERsXI0rsNxbYsOMRTh3iUDN/v2Ulm4lofhKpfNhlazDXbnu8CpGCslv9NGLQk pU80uFEtKXc5vZOz+hx68//nvw50sixX8SK8Un2JWggTXFSGVF5g7V5EQk5UgU5ZIXeX jgkKh4m2Hi9Y/xiXPMq7nGfrnSTcMJ83+RaAM= Received: by 10.86.29.8 with SMTP id c8mr5048507fgc.67.1226151695944; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 05:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.70.17 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 05:41:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <60f983080811080541j16cc8045i7d12404eabd9ab7d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:41:35 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT]Help! Vuescan B/W film scanning with Canon 8800F In-Reply-To: <49159000.5000309@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080811070246t6485535cq40882365aad37be3@mail.gmail.com> <8C4677B7109E48C9AB3EFB9741F741FC@meo.dec.com> <60f983080811070350m56613a63q3fab5a385343e2b@mail.gmail.com> <49148CD9.6050800@gmail.com> <60f983080811080228i5d6b0290ncd8837e6327bfeb9@mail.gmail.com> <49159000.5000309@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 14:41:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4915971c274151946193717 Thanks, Chuck. Let me study. --- Michael 2008/11/8 Chuck Norcutt > Switch to B&W chromogenic films that can be processed as C-41 color > negatives are. Or shoot color and post process to B&W > > > Chuck Norcutt > > Michael Wong wrote: > > Moose, > > Thanks for your explanation in details. > > > > I scan all 135 B/W negative film with Vuescan + Nikon LS-40 film scanner > > since the infrared clean is workable, no problem at all (Nikon Scan fail > to > > apply ICE feature for B/W negative films). Thus, I wonder why fail to > work > > for Canon 8800F. Actually I don't know what is different of ICE & > infrared > > clean but the result of infrared clean in Vuescan is pretty good. I > seldom > > scan films with Nikon software upon purchasing Vuescan since I will apply > > IT8 ICC profile to scan slide films, lock film base color for negative > > films, Nikon software fails to do these. > > > > It's difficult to remove dusts after scanning as large as 120 medium > format. > > It makes me trouble without infared clean :-( > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 15:53:28 2008 Received: (qmail 14404 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 14:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 14:53:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6596C34F1; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:53:16 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:53:16 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3622C2859 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:53:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from 4.red-83-44-108.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.44.108.4]:52749 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1KypBZ-00020v-8x (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:53:14 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, Picture a Day discussion group Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:53:12 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 15:53:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4915a7e8190771035110158 27 images from a city I love (although it is not my hometown, that is coming in the PAWs later this weekend), regardless of the weather (although it was decent for November): http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6494440_mRprc#412445059_mMFZg As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 16:16:57 2008 Received: (qmail 9756 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 15:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 15:16:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6B1C3AAA; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:16:41 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:16:41 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4104FC3C80 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:13:24 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 24110 invoked by uid 504); 8 Nov 2008 15:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Nov 2008 15:13:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4915AC92.50805@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:13:22 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 16:16:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4915ad69232411529615919 Thanks for the tour. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > 27 images from a city I love (although it is not my hometown, that is > coming in the PAWs later this weekend), regardless of the weather > (although it was decent for November): > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6494440_mRprc#412445059_mMFZg > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 16:32:26 2008 Received: (qmail 2851 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 15:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 15:32:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F9EC2C81; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:32:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:32:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E353C2C79 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:32:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081108153212.IKUH22492.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:32:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <6767989A-C961-4905-9F19-6ED881EE6260@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:31:54 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 16:32:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4915b10971789117217770 No hillbilly music? NO HILLBILLY MUSIC? Harumph! Not something of which to be proud. Of course I may be partial because I _am_ a hillbilly from the mountains of western North Carolina. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Nov 8, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > 27 images from a city I love (although it is not my hometown, that is > coming in the PAWs later this weekend), regardless of the weather > (although it was decent for November): > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6494440_mRprc#412445059_mMFZg ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 20:09:56 2008 Received: (qmail 25636 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 19:09:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 19:09:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B990AC30EA; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:09:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:09:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD12C2971 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:09:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AB546191E for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:25:53 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:09:41 +0000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 20:09:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4915e404139661702588592 Thanks, Nathan. Those little stalls remind me of my quick visit to Denmark in 1971, during the school Easter holidays; I was hitching around Europe on only a small amount of money. It was very cold and wet, as I remember, and the stalls sold stuff I had never had before: delicious sausage in crisp rolls with mixed mustard and ketchup and crips little bits of onion. I also remember the kindness of the people who invited us 2 young strangers (16 years old) into their homes without any qualms, it appeared. Chris On 8 Nov 2008, at 14:53, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > 27 images from a city I love (although it is not my hometown, that is > coming in the PAWs later this weekend), regardless of the weather > (although it was decent for November): > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6494440_mRprc#412445059_mMFZg > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 20:15:14 2008 Received: (qmail 14057 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 19:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 19:15:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7105C2DF3; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:15:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:15:02 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231A9C336F for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:15:02 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 6487 invoked by uid 504); 8 Nov 2008 19:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Nov 2008 19:15:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:15:00 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 20:15:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4915e542270897350615338 What, no chili for the dogs? First no hillbilly music and now no chili. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks, Nathan. > > Those little stalls remind me of my quick visit to Denmark in 1971, > during the school Easter holidays; I was hitching around Europe on > only a small amount of money. It was very cold and wet, as I > remember, and the stalls sold stuff I had never had before: delicious > sausage in crisp rolls with mixed mustard and ketchup and crips little > bits of onion. > > I also remember the kindness of the people who invited us 2 young > strangers (16 years old) into their homes without any qualms, it > appeared. > > Chris > > On 8 Nov 2008, at 14:53, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> 27 images from a city I love (although it is not my hometown, that is >> coming in the PAWs later this weekend), regardless of the weather >> (although it was decent for November): >> >> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6494440_mRprc#412445059_mMFZg >> >> As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1775 - Release Date: 11/8/2008 9:56 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 20:51:11 2008 Received: (qmail 23186 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 19:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 19:51:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F30C2E5E; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:50:56 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:50:56 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DFAC36C3 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:50:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from 4.red-83-44-108.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.44.108.4]:53195 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1KytpE-0006Qc-3U (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:50:29 +0000 Message-Id: <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:50:27 +0100 References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 20:51:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4915edaf116643675314703 A Danish hot dog is garnished with mustard, ketchup and either roasted or raw onions. We don't do chili, and we don't do hillbilly music. But in a radical departure from many other countries, our hot dogs actually contain meat :-) Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Nov 8, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > What, no chili for the dogs? First no hillbilly music and now no > chili. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chris Barker wrote: >> Thanks, Nathan. >> >> Those little stalls remind me of my quick visit to Denmark in 1971, >> during the school Easter holidays; I was hitching around Europe on >> only a small amount of money. It was very cold and wet, as I >> remember, and the stalls sold stuff I had never had before: delicious >> sausage in crisp rolls with mixed mustard and ketchup and crips >> little >> bits of onion. >> >> I also remember the kindness of the people who invited us 2 young >> strangers (16 years old) into their homes without any qualms, it >> appeared. >> >> Chris >> >> On 8 Nov 2008, at 14:53, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> >>> 27 images from a city I love (although it is not my hometown, that >>> is >>> coming in the PAWs later this weekend), regardless of the weather >>> (although it was decent for November): >>> >>> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6494440_mRprc#412445059_mMFZg >>> >>> As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1775 - Release Date: >> 11/8/2008 9:56 AM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 22:10:15 2008 Received: (qmail 32667 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 21:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 21:10:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF992C2E1E; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:09:58 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:09:58 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5F4C2FB1 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:09:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081108210957.WGSN15567.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:09:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <430D778D-42DE-44A7-A890-4A126B947E07@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:09:38 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 22:10:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4916003765641591313764 On Nov 8, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > We don't do chili, and we don't do hillbilly music. My guess is that if Allison Krauss spent some time in Denmark you might still eschew the chili, but you'd all be in hot pursuit of hillbilly music. Try this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjsjZWlRVvo --Bob www.bwp33.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 22:12:46 2008 Received: (qmail 3222 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 21:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 21:12:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D23C3545; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:12:34 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:12:34 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A44C35CF for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:12:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2FD461929 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:28:45 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:12:32 +0000 References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 22:12:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491600ce239625368819438 It's one of the charms of European stalls: you can buy meat there ... :-) Chris On 8 Nov 2008, at 19:50, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > A Danish hot dog is garnished with mustard, ketchup and either roasted > or raw onions. We don't do chili, and we don't do hillbilly music. But > in a radical departure from many other countries, our hot dogs > actually contain meat :-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 22:20:59 2008 Received: (qmail 3182 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 21:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 21:20:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31850C3281; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:20:48 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:20:48 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76436C27CE for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:20:47 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 28185 invoked by uid 502); 8 Nov 2008 21:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.190.52) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Nov 2008 21:20:45 -0000 Message-ID: <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:20:37 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 22:20:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491602bb110931023412894 Ken Norton wrote: > Wayne, I'll extend an OM/Zuiko credit to you so your TOPE entry will be accepted. > That's a generous offer, Ken. On the other hand, TOPE isn't yours alone. In the immediate sense, it belongs to Olafo. In the larger sense, it belongs to the list community. Perhaps it would have been better to present an argument to the list as to why completely non Oly images should be allowed on TOPE. More details should be presented, as well, as far as I am concerned. Does this apply to everyone? Only long time members who are now without any operational Oly gear? How long is long time? One time exceptions for those temporarily disadvantaged? There are a seemingly infinite number of places to display images. TOPE, whatever the inherent quality of the images, is unique. Why lose that? If I could just run out with the 5D and EF lenses, I'd have shot images for this TOPE long ago. Restricted to Oly gear, I may or may not make it. And I think that's the way it should be. The only Oly gear I have is film, and I've never been much for night shooting with film. If I don't get a shot? Well, I've missed several TOPEs. Nothing bad happened. Wayne, nothing negative personally, I hope. I find it hard to see how missing one more TOPE after all those missed in the last couple of years while you've been gone is more important than maintaining TOPE's uniqueness. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 22:32:07 2008 Received: (qmail 9409 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 21:32:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 21:32:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E51FC37FA; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:31:55 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:31:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A92FC3C63 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:27:13 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 31218 invoked by uid 502); 8 Nov 2008 21:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.190.52) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Nov 2008 21:27:12 -0000 Message-ID: <4916042B.40106@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:27:07 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <47040882.2080505@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840710040142q51696790l724a67804d9a1909@mail.gmail.com> <4704FC74.3060403@verizon.net> <4705092A.6040606@gmail.com> <47062C04.3090509@verizon.net> <003901c8075b$7515f210$d308a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <6BA4F691-7B66-4257-B59D-6B9C210CB166@millennics.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <322BC900-2F17-4CA3-B46F-7526447B1238@millennics. com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <4480B75B-33A6-47FA-B986-2BA975989AFB@ucr.edu> In-Reply-To: <4480B75B-33A6-47FA-B986-2BA975989AFB@ucr.edu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 22:32:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49160557130531234514069 siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > I believe any Oly component makes it fair game (so Zuiko on Canyon should be OK, I believe we had a Moose submission that was later updated to be full OM/Zuiko). > Correct. I'm still personally uncomfortable with Zuiko on non-Oly digital back for TOPE, but wouldn't try to put that requirement on others. (Note to AG: The ICC profile corrected color on the film version was better than I could manage with the digishot without a gray reference.) If I manage a shot for this TOPE, my procrastination will probably mean the same two step process. :-( Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 22:36:01 2008 Received: (qmail 7614 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 21:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 21:36:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC1AC3BBD; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:35:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:35:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.140]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28517C3B90 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:34:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KyvRW-0000yy-Ob for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:34:06 +0000 Message-ID: <491605D0.2010002@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:34:08 +0000 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-Smarthost01-IP: [217.155.39.109] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@m93.myzen.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 22:36:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4916064142185368819438 If I have interpreted this correctly... I think I agree...... The TOPE should continue to require a significant input from Olympus gear (OM preferably) - otherwise why bother, there are so many other places to display images. Martyn Smoothy Moose wrote: > Ken Norton wrote: > >> Wayne, I'll extend an OM/Zuiko credit to you so your TOPE entry will be accepted. >> >> > That's a generous offer, Ken. On the other hand, TOPE isn't yours alone. > In the immediate sense, it belongs to Olafo. In the larger sense, it > belongs to the list community. > > Perhaps it would have been better to present an argument to the list as > to why completely non Oly images should be allowed on TOPE. More details > should be presented, as well, as far as I am concerned. Does this apply > to everyone? Only long time members who are now without any operational > Oly gear? How long is long time? One time exceptions for those > temporarily disadvantaged? > > There are a seemingly infinite number of places to display images. TOPE, > whatever the inherent quality of the images, is unique. Why lose that? > > If I could just run out with the 5D and EF lenses, I'd have shot images > for this TOPE long ago. Restricted to Oly gear, I may or may not make > it. And I think that's the way it should be. > > The only Oly gear I have is film, and I've never been much for night > shooting with film. If I don't get a shot? Well, I've missed several > TOPEs. Nothing bad happened. > > Wayne, nothing negative personally, I hope. I find it hard to see how > missing one more TOPE after all those missed in the last couple of years > while you've been gone is more important than maintaining TOPE's uniqueness. > > Moose > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 22:46:40 2008 Received: (qmail 3125 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 21:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 21:46:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3315C293A; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:46:28 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:46:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C67C2BE8 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:46:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081108214624.WXZC24109.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:46:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <430D778D-42DE-44A7-A890-4A126B947E07@roadrunner.com> References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> <430D778D-42DE-44A7-A890-4A126B947E07@roadrunner.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:46:05 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 22:46:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491608c012621702588592 On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > My guess is that if Allison Krauss spent some time in Denmark you > might still eschew the chili, but you'd all be in hot pursuit of > hillbilly music. > > Try this out: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjsjZWlRVvo You'd think if I were going to extol her virtues, I'd at least spell her name right. Too many ells up there. Alison Krauss. --Bob www.bwp33.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 23:04:42 2008 Received: (qmail 1211 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 22:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 22:04:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF6BC31E3; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:04:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:04:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id C502BC3300 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:04:26 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 24542 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 22:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 22:04:23 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <09383042-BB7D-4D94-8DA1-7750262263CE@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:04:19 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 23:04:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49160cfa327571023412894 Takes me back a long time - sleeping rough on the beach at Skodsborg (?), cleaning up in the public toilets under the Radhausplatzen each day, living off the sausage vans and hanging around Nyhavn at night and tha cafés during the day. Not much seems to have changed, thank goodness. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/11/2008, at 1:53 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > 27 images from a city I love (although it is not my hometown, that is > coming in the PAWs later this weekend), regardless of the weather > (although it was decent for November): > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6494440_mRprc#412445059_mMFZg > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 23:13:34 2008 Received: (qmail 27027 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 22:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 22:13:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8953C32E8; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:13:22 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:13:22 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1536AC2F25 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:13:22 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 23746 invoked by uid 502); 8 Nov 2008 22:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.190.52) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Nov 2008 22:13:20 -0000 Message-ID: <49160EFB.801@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:13:15 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> <430D778D-42DE-44A7-A890-4A126B947E07@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <430D778D-42DE-44A7-A890-4A126B947E07@roadrunner.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 23:13:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49160f0e190471993019900 Bob Whitmire wrote: > > My guess is that if Allison Krauss spent some time in Denmark you might still eschew the chili, but you'd all be in hot pursuit of hillbilly music. > > Try this out: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjsjZWlRVvo > You gonna claim that's Hillbilly music? She may come from that background, and the instrumental backing may have a bit of Hillbilly music sensibility, but that's pure mainstream. Lovely singing, good production, a little sweetly sentimental for my taste, but nice solid popular 'murican music to me. What would Flatt & Scruggs think? Holy Cole has a solid Jazz trio. Does that make this Jazz? But then, it was written by a Country musician, Casey Scott, does that make it Country? When she sings Tom Waits songs, what's that? Add Country qualities to the instrumental parts and what's that? NY Urban=>Canadian Jazz=>Country backing=> Mighty fine listenin' Now here's some REAL Hillbilly music! An Urban(e) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 23:18:06 2008 Received: (qmail 6640 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 22:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 22:18:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D074EC34CA; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:17:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:17:54 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 57BBDC3297 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:17:53 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 26137 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 22:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 22:17:51 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <430D778D-42DE-44A7-A890-4A126B947E07@roadrunner.com> References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> <430D778D-42DE-44A7-A890-4A126B947E07@roadrunner.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:17:47 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 23:18:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4916101e187991257536491 Bleh - vacuous, fatuous country pop sung in a squeaky teenage voice by a pudgy, whey-faced bint shot through layers of muslin. As if. Only hillbilly band I've bothered to listen to is Hayseed Dixie - and they're a parody. And I'm not sure that what the sausage vans sell in Denmark and Germany should be called 'hot dogs' - it leads to confusion with those casein/fat/gristle/preservative abominations elsewhere that need to be smothered in ketchup, chilli or weak mustard-like sauce in order to conceal the fact that they taste absolutely bloody horrible. I'll take the weisswurst with mustard thanks... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/11/2008, at 8:09 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > My guess is that if Allison Krauss spent some time in Denmark you > might still eschew the chili, but you'd all be in hot pursuit of > hillbilly music. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 23:26:57 2008 Received: (qmail 22946 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 22:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 22:26:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7358C2924; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:26:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:26:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 44B65C3508 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:26:45 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 26442 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 22:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 22:26:43 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49160EFB.801@gmail.com> References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> <430D778D-42DE-44A7-A890-4A126B947E07@roadrunner.com> <49160EFB.801@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <6330F8AD-992D-4C4B-967D-07BAB5E06944@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:26:39 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 23:26:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49161231119441838542571 On 09/11/2008, at 9:13 AM, Moose wrote: > When she sings Tom Waits songs, what's that? > That's a decent jazz group (good bass) with a much more interesting singer doing a great track - but she really must stop singing through her nose. > > > Now here's some REAL Hillbilly music! > Good stuff - they were funny. My father loved them I prefer this approach - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMfh4WQuGc8 Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 23:47:14 2008 Received: (qmail 17794 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 22:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 22:47:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E6BC38EA; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:47:03 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:47:03 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1494C38E0 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:47:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA100G4NDYE1DL0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:47:02 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-127.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.127]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:58:25 -0400 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:47:03 -0400 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqESAHilFUkYigt//2dsb2JhbACBcIgus2WKQQeDUQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,568,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="352318580" References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> <430D778D-42DE-44A7-A890-4A126B947E07@roadrunner.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 23:47:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491616f296501470116606 Hillbilly music.....................Dolly Parton .................. UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUgh ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Whitmire" To: Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn > > On Nov 8, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> We don't do chili, and we don't do hillbilly music. > > My guess is that if Allison Krauss spent some time in Denmark you > might still eschew the chili, but you'd all be in hot pursuit of > hillbilly music. > > Try this out: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjsjZWlRVvo > > > --Bob > www.bwp33.com > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Nov 8 23:49:21 2008 Received: (qmail 21389 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2008 22:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 22:49:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B269C3741; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:49:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:49:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 5871CC2AF5 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:49:08 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 29796 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 22:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 22:49:06 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <6330F8AD-992D-4C4B-967D-07BAB5E06944@people.net.au> References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> <430D778D-42DE-44A7-A890-4A126B947E07@roadrunner.com> <49160EFB.801@gmail.com> <6330F8AD-992D-4C4B-967D-07BAB5E06944@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <6F3AA6C7-7319-4E69-995D-7DE31F8996B2@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:49:02 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 8 23:49:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49161771185763675314703 Of course, hillbilly can inform some of my preferred music - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtqjmuUaYXA Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 02:01:50 2008 Received: (qmail 24184 invoked by uid 0); 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I love the different versions of Ol' Man Sam too. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 02:52:02 2008 Received: (qmail 19014 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 01:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 01:52:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5877C3809; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 02:51:51 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:51:51 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388DEC377F for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 02:51:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d01.42b6dc59 (34990) for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D41 (fwm-d41.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.17]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB013-88ae4916423310f; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:51:47 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:51:47 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.17) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:51:47 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB1024DC02E140-BEC-44EC@FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 02:52:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49164242108081744846740 Nice tour Nathan, thanks. Stayed on Nyhavn for a few days prior to a meeting in Göteborg. Remember telling the cabbie to go to "Niehaven" and got a quizzical look. IIRC it is pronounced more like "Newhound." Inscrutable vowels, IMO. Recall people dining outside with some of those gas heaters in the low 50's deg F. Definite evidence of Viking blood. One of my favorite cities ever visited and I recall how bicycle friendly it was. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 05:06:19 2008 Received: (qmail 7472 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 04:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 04:06:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C32C30B8; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 05:06:07 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 05:06:07 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E10C37E7 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 05:06:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2209C3140C0 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:23:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09C93140BE for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:23:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <491661B8.2050904@interisland.net> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:06:16 -0800 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081108-0, 11/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 05:06:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491661bb24621234514069 So far non of the links have been Hillbilly Music. Here are some examples in its more sophisticated and polished form. I believe the origins are from the Irish and Scottish immigrants who came to work in the Appalachian coal mines. The original instruments were more crude. It incorporates the African influence brought by the slave trade. Besides Bill Monroe and Del McCoury who got his start playing with Bill some others were the Delmore Brothers, the Louvin Brothers, the Blue Sky Boys and of course the Stanley Brothers. Check out the sound track from "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVpD0JfetZU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t2dgqyi7AU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW-w0KgE-8s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mYj_uI01u4 Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 05:20:59 2008 Received: (qmail 23072 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 04:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 04:20:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0858C3229; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 05:20:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 05:20:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0E6C39AC for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 05:20:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.cbc.30e71f73 (37129) for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D41 (fwm-d41.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.17]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA023-91094916651b237; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:20:43 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: News "Flash" Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:20:43 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.17) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:20:43 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB1039AA83EB7C-BEC-4840@FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 05:20:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4916652a174858512572685 More sound advice from Dr. Flash. Thanks, Mike Just a different way to fudge the numbers. Some won't notice that the spec is at ISO 200 rather than 100 and most won't know how to do the numbers to convert 160 at 200 to 113 at 100. But that's an easier conversion than trying to compare the T32's guide number of 104 at 24mm coverage angle to someone else's guide number given at 105mm coverage angle. It's especially difficult because Olympus also fudges the 24mm coverage number... it's really more like 28mm as there is already 1/2 stop falloff at the edge of the field of a 28mm lens. They also just plain lie about the guide number. I've measured 4 T32s (all within 1/3 stop of each other) and they average a guide number of 84. And, just like the others they also fudge on the recycle time claiming 10 seconds from a full dump. At 10 seconds the flash is still 1/3 stop away from max power and it's still 1/10 of a stop away after 20 seconds. Never believe a flash manufacturer's specs and always use a meter. Dr. Flash ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 07:37:39 2008 Received: (qmail 8109 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 06:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 06:37:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B632EC2BDF; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 07:37:27 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 07:37:27 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E00BEC2AD9 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 07:37:25 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 15746 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2008 06:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 06:37:23 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <491661B8.2050904@interisland.net> References: <491661B8.2050904@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <148D414E-2589-4111-86F7-1DAC905A18F4@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:37:18 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 07:37:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4916853396803675314703 Oh come on - it's all to do with dress sense - and the number of teeth and fingers that you have left. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/11/2008, at 3:06 PM, Mike wrote: > > So far non of the links have been Hillbilly Music. Here are some > examples in its more sophisticated and polished form. I believe the > origins are from the Irish and Scottish immigrants who came to work in > the Appalachian coal mines. The original instruments were more > crude. It > incorporates the African influence brought by the slave trade. Besides > Bill Monroe and Del McCoury who got his start playing with Bill some > others were the Delmore Brothers, the Louvin Brothers, the Blue Sky > Boys > and of course the Stanley Brothers. Check out the sound track from "O > Brother, Where Art Thou?" > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVpD0JfetZU > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t2dgqyi7AU > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW-w0KgE-8s > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mYj_uI01u4 > > Mike > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 09:20:10 2008 Received: (qmail 1166 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 08:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 08:20:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5687C2C76; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:19:57 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:19:57 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mho-02-bos.mailhop.org (mho-02-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.179]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD6AC2805 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:19:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from aste-genev-bois-153-1-42-242.w83-200.abo.wanadoo.fr ([83.200.92.242] helo=[192.168.147.106]) by mho-02-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Kz5WW-0007ES-TH for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:19:57 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 83.200.92.242 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX183laYwspzl7RD9GKIJF8pW Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Message-Id: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Thomas Heide Clausen Subject: [OM] List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:19:54 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olympus@thomasclausen.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 09:20:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49169d3a250271869477228 Dear all, After much trying out with different hosting companies, etc., I've found one which appears able to perform. I hope that this should ensure better list availability and more continuos and timely service. I apologize for the delay in getting to this point. THEREFORE: Expect some disturbance of service Monday/Tuesday while the transition is underway. I will, of course, do my utmost to minimize any interruptions or disturbances, but I apologize in advance for any inconveniences. Question to y'all: o As the list has moved from being "OM-cameras" to becoming "OM+E cameras", I wonder if the [OM] should be: o kept in place, for history's sake o changed to [Olympus] o changed to [OM+E] o changed to something else Consider this a consensus call, not a vote ;) New Features: o The list will be hosted under one of my domain names, which should allow the addresses to/from it to remain stable even when/if it moves again. o The host will provide also web-archives for the list. o There should be an actually functioning web-interface for setting subscriber options o There's an automated bounce processing enabled (should make my life easier). We will see how it works, please do signal any "unjust bounces", if you get some. Now, we have about a zillion subscribers on "Vacation". Some really are (good for them!), some are our respective "double-subscriptions" allowing us to post also from work without getting 2 copies of our mails -- and some are "serial bouncers" that have been sent on vacation and never gotten off, likely because their addresses have expired and they're no longer interested. I'd like to take this occasion to "clean up" in that list. So, therefore: o Those email addresses that are *not* on vacation will be transfered directly o Those email addresses that are on vacation will receive an INVITATION with information as to how to join and set vacation flags. I've got a couple of additional "new features" up my sleeve, but for now these will have to wait. Stay tuned. The List Mum ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 09:38:36 2008 Received: (qmail 14159 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 08:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 08:38:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C05C2E46; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:38:25 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:38:24 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 5417AC2B15 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:38:23 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 28666 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2008 08:38:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 08:38:20 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:38:14 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 09:38:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4916a18c104141702588592 Wow - hardly understood a word of it. Thanks anyway! ;-) Oh - E-OM? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/11/2008, at 7:19 PM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > The List Mum ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 09:44:58 2008 Received: (qmail 28745 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 08:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 08:44:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A7DC2E8E; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:44:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:44:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mho-02-bos.mailhop.org (mho-02-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.179]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E05C2D5D for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:44:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from aste-genev-bois-153-1-42-242.w83-200.abo.wanadoo.fr ([83.200.92.242] helo=[192.168.147.106]) by mho-02-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Kz5uY-000F6m-Bl for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:44:46 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 83.200.92.242 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1+Htu2mLGC2HtSIL3Mwz92g Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <77E80260-6547-4BEB-89D5-354CDEDA997A@thomasclausen.org> From: Thomas Heide Clausen Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:44:42 +0100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olympus@thomasclausen.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 09:44:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4916a30a38051234514069 On 9Nov , 2008, at 09:38 , Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Wow - hardly understood a word of it. Thanks anyway! ;-) > Crap, have I been living in France for so long that my English WRITING has taken on a funny accent now ;) Thomas > Oh - E-OM? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 09/11/2008, at 7:19 PM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > >> The List Mum > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 09:45:16 2008 Received: (qmail 31483 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 08:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 08:45:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777E9C2D43; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:45:04 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:45:04 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mho-02-bos.mailhop.org (mho-02-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.179]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230A0C2B0A for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:45:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from aste-genev-bois-153-1-42-242.w83-200.abo.wanadoo.fr ([83.200.92.242] helo=[192.168.147.106]) by mho-02-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Kz5up-000F6m-8H for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:45:03 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 83.200.92.242 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX18YxwLmEEa5iLXsosR9LTZH Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <491605D0.2010002@m93.myzen.co.uk> References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <491605D0.2010002@m93.myzen.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <8F36A1E4-D720-4A4C-9DAD-AD072D0CC6EF@thomasclausen.org> From: Thomas Heide Clausen Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:45:02 +0100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olympus@thomasclausen.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 09:45:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4916a31c312591073733319 To me, TOPE (of which I woefully have missed the last 36...) is an occasion to look at the OM gear and say "Hmm, how would I attack this subject using what I have in there?", and then do it -- rather than grab the latest digi-thing and go nuts. Sorta forcing a "to basics" that I think is neat. Not saying that that's how it is for everybody, but that's how TOPE works on me (even though I have not produced a result satisfactory enough to submit to to tope.nl, well) :) Thomas On 8Nov , 2008, at 22:34 , Martyn Smoothy wrote: > > If I have interpreted this correctly... I think I agree...... > > The TOPE should continue to require a significant input from Olympus > gear (OM preferably) - otherwise why bother, there are so many other > places to display images. > > Martyn Smoothy > > > Moose wrote: >> Ken Norton wrote: >> >>> Wayne, I'll extend an OM/Zuiko credit to you so your TOPE entry >>> will be accepted. >>> >>> >> That's a generous offer, Ken. On the other hand, TOPE isn't yours >> alone. >> In the immediate sense, it belongs to Olafo. In the larger sense, it >> belongs to the list community. >> >> Perhaps it would have been better to present an argument to the >> list as >> to why completely non Oly images should be allowed on TOPE. More >> details >> should be presented, as well, as far as I am concerned. Does this >> apply >> to everyone? Only long time members who are now without any >> operational >> Oly gear? How long is long time? One time exceptions for those >> temporarily disadvantaged? >> >> There are a seemingly infinite number of places to display images. >> TOPE, >> whatever the inherent quality of the images, is unique. Why lose >> that? >> >> If I could just run out with the 5D and EF lenses, I'd have shot >> images >> for this TOPE long ago. Restricted to Oly gear, I may or may not make >> it. And I think that's the way it should be. >> >> The only Oly gear I have is film, and I've never been much for night >> shooting with film. If I don't get a shot? Well, I've missed several >> TOPEs. Nothing bad happened. >> >> Wayne, nothing negative personally, I hope. I find it hard to see how >> missing one more TOPE after all those missed in the last couple of >> years >> while you've been gone is more important than maintaining TOPE's >> uniqueness. >> >> Moose >> >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 10:39:25 2008 Received: (qmail 4702 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 09:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 09:39:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B998C2968; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:39:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:39:13 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CEDAC28D5 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:39:12 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 3442 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2008 09:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 09:39:09 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <77E80260-6547-4BEB-89D5-354CDEDA997A@thomasclausen.org> References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> <77E80260-6547-4BEB-89D5-354CDEDA997A@thomasclausen.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <98408A50-ADDD-4788-B668-B5F29CE7C10D@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:39:04 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 10:39:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4916afcd94883675314703 No - I understand both Franglais and English with French syntax - my sister has lived in Bordeaux for 35 years and that's what she speaks (as well as Bordelaise). It's geekspeak I have trouble with. I'm still try to cope with 'unjust bounces' - I'm reminded of a young woman I saw today and the effect she had on me - now that was positively criminal. I think I'll go take a sedative. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/11/2008, at 7:44 PM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > Crap, have I been living in France for so long that my English > WRITING has taken on a funny accent now ;) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 10:52:21 2008 Received: (qmail 6643 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 09:52:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 09:52:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A3FC2E05; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:52:08 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:52:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C400C2FF7 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:52:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BBFC9DD5 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:10:27 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <26AF652C-DB04-4CF3-9D9B-F44D62E4A589@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:52:05 +0000 References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> <430D778D-42DE-44A7-A890-4A126B947E07@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 10:52:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4916b2d5262841499373980 Germany's towns have some traditional sausages that are excellent. We had lovely Coburger wurst in September. And that was the day I bought my first pair of Crocs :-) Chris On 8 Nov 2008, at 22:17, Andrew Fildes wrote: > And I'm not sure that what the sausage vans sell in Denmark and > Germany should be called 'hot dogs' - it leads to confusion with > those casein/fat/gristle/preservative abominations elsewhere that > need to be smothered in ketchup, chilli or weak mustard-like sauce in > order to conceal the fact that they taste absolutely bloody horrible. > > I'll take the weisswurst with mustard thanks... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 10:53:42 2008 Received: (qmail 4509 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 09:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 09:53:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E97C2FEB; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:53:28 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:53:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.236]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217E0C289D for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:53:26 +0100 (CET) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1918741rvb.29 for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 01:53:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=YHnoNeWneJTjx4kZFlUq9GVTo+JV1uKcD06JWw711U8=; b=cc3RP+ofShKLNMYKLutvzU3Fkfg3LJRRbPxK+mDY79QRcK3ahPspyL3QRvHa7UerEQ m2E7Aon4avKT8RNWmgjxKVOnlW27tKGoAQ/+ol7oET0sdbEejM4oRX9mO8bBUSJCA5Wa KL2LZC/jVFwdZbDnzjUcTQmjlXqM5dRlH2vdQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=PVb9EeLD3x+OkoeQojlebQnH8iX4Y8Ueni2LdvcvN7Djw1iEyIwRDu4BrluIqNJFKF J8EwacXY+HJF69Tx2SXKSKI1bA0VKXuGQjEXZf1d9JGpUXaswCdst5RcwKJ5sMiRTEQh lfiUOL6Y9z3th5MIXWqJFt6SW2XASEumgXH/A= Received: by 10.140.161.11 with SMTP id j11mr2881687rve.86.1226224405281; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 01:53:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.176.3 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 01:53:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:53:25 +0100 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff In-Reply-To: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikooh@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 10:53:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4916b32699842336821329 Hello Thomas, good to hear from you. Positive news. For me: let's just keep OM, that is what started it all, who nows what will come? All the best, Iwert 2008/11/9 Thomas Heide Clausen > > Dear all, > > After much trying out with different hosting companies, etc., I've > found one which appears able to perform. I hope that this should > ensure better list availability and more continuos and timely > service. I apologize for the delay in getting to this point. > > THEREFORE: Expect some disturbance of service Monday/Tuesday while > the transition is underway. > > I will, of course, do my utmost to minimize any interruptions or > disturbances, but I apologize in advance for any inconveniences. > > Question to y'all: > > o As the list has moved from being "OM-cameras" to becoming > "OM+E > cameras", I wonder if the > [OM] should be: > > o kept in place, for history's sake > o changed to [Olympus] > o changed to [OM+E] > o changed to something else > > Consider this a consensus call, not a vote ;) > > New Features: > > o The list will be hosted under one of my domain names, which > should > allow the > addresses to/from it to remain stable even when/if it moves > again. > > o The host will provide also web-archives for the list. > > o There should be an actually functioning web-interface for > setting > subscriber > options > > o There's an automated bounce processing enabled (should make > my > life easier). > We will see how it works, please do signal any "unjust > bounces", if > you get some. > > Now, we have about a zillion subscribers on "Vacation". Some really > are (good for them!), some are our respective "double-subscriptions" > allowing us to post also from work without getting 2 copies of our > mails -- and some are "serial bouncers" that have been sent on > vacation and never gotten off, likely because their addresses have > expired and they're no longer interested. I'd like to take this > occasion to "clean up" in that list. So, therefore: > > o Those email addresses that are *not* on vacation will be > transfered directly > > o Those email addresses that are on vacation will receive an > INVITATION > with information as to how to join and set vacation flags. > > I've got a couple of additional "new features" up my sleeve, but for > now these will have to wait. Stay tuned. > > The List Mum > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 13:08:13 2008 Received: (qmail 27525 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 12:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 12:08:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06C4C30F1; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:08:00 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:08:00 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2E0C3101 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:08:00 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 5266 invoked by uid 504); 9 Nov 2008 12:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Nov 2008 12:07:58 -0000 Message-ID: <4916D29E.30309@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 07:07:58 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 13:08:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4916d2ad59658512572685 What will come? I think insistence on OM only will see the slow demise of the list. The list has evolved to something more like a loose federation of friends and camera nuts who have (or had) a great love of the OM system. But Olympus has moved on to other things as have many of us here. But that doesn't change the fact that (collectively) we still have a greater love of the OM system than does Olympus I think. Let sleeping dogs lie. Chuck Norcutt iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > Hello Thomas, > good to hear from you. Positive news. For me: let's just keep OM, that is > what started it all, > who nows what will come? > > All the best, > > Iwert > > 2008/11/9 Thomas Heide Clausen > >> Dear all, >> >> After much trying out with different hosting companies, etc., I've >> found one which appears able to perform. I hope that this should >> ensure better list availability and more continuos and timely >> service. I apologize for the delay in getting to this point. >> >> THEREFORE: Expect some disturbance of service Monday/Tuesday while >> the transition is underway. >> >> I will, of course, do my utmost to minimize any interruptions or >> disturbances, but I apologize in advance for any inconveniences. >> >> Question to y'all: >> >> o As the list has moved from being "OM-cameras" to becoming >> "OM+E >> cameras", I wonder if the >> [OM] should be: >> >> o kept in place, for history's sake >> o changed to [Olympus] >> o changed to [OM+E] >> o changed to something else >> >> Consider this a consensus call, not a vote ;) >> >> New Features: >> >> o The list will be hosted under one of my domain names, which >> should >> allow the >> addresses to/from it to remain stable even when/if it moves >> again. >> >> o The host will provide also web-archives for the list. >> >> o There should be an actually functioning web-interface for >> setting >> subscriber >> options >> >> o There's an automated bounce processing enabled (should make >> my >> life easier). >> We will see how it works, please do signal any "unjust >> bounces", if >> you get some. >> >> Now, we have about a zillion subscribers on "Vacation". Some really >> are (good for them!), some are our respective "double-subscriptions" >> allowing us to post also from work without getting 2 copies of our >> mails -- and some are "serial bouncers" that have been sent on >> vacation and never gotten off, likely because their addresses have >> expired and they're no longer interested. I'd like to take this >> occasion to "clean up" in that list. So, therefore: >> >> o Those email addresses that are *not* on vacation will be >> transfered directly >> >> o Those email addresses that are on vacation will receive an >> INVITATION >> with information as to how to join and set vacation flags. >> >> I've got a couple of additional "new features" up my sleeve, but for >> now these will have to wait. Stay tuned. >> >> The List Mum >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1776 - Release Date: 11/8/2008 6:49 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 13:38:19 2008 Received: (qmail 31768 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 12:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 12:38:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D904C2B1A; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:38:07 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:38:07 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-4.orange.nl (smtp-4.orange.nl [193.252.22.249]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D023C2787 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:38:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6301.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 10C0D7000084 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:38:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6301.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BC9CB7000081 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:38:06 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081109123806772.BC9CB7000081@mwinf6301.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:38:10 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <4916D29E.30309@chucknorcutt.com> Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 13:38:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4916d9bb33822046811720 Hi group, I think Iwert is right in saying that OM is after all what started this list. Chuck is also right although, Olympus has moved on and so have many of us. Some of us have sold all their OM gear (like me, although I am still buying and selling for the heck of it and because I still admire the stuff) Others have left Olympus gear completely but stull like to communicate through this list. I can live with all of that. What I think however is tha Olympus is the bland name that got us all together over the years, one way or another. Thinking back in history I have been on this list more or less actively since 1994 or 1995, I cannot remember exactly. For me [OLY] would be the best suiting list name, but then, what's in a name. As long as we can keep the list as alive as it is and still find these common denominators foor all the members I can live with just about any name hinting in the direction of Olympus, Zuiko or OM. Just my two cents. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Chuck Norcutt > Verzonden: zondag 9 november 2008 13:08 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus > other stuff > > > What will come? I think insistence on OM only will see the > slow demise > of the list. The list has evolved to something more like a loose > federation of friends and camera nuts who have (or had) a > great love of > the OM system. But Olympus has moved on to other things as > have many of > us here. But that doesn't change the fact that > (collectively) we still > have a greater love of the OM system than does Olympus I think. > > Let sleeping dogs lie. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > > Hello Thomas, > > good to hear from you. Positive news. For me: let's just > keep OM, that > > is what started it all, who nows what will come? > > > > All the best, > > > > Iwert > > > > 2008/11/9 Thomas Heide Clausen > > > >> Dear all, > >> > >> After much trying out with different hosting companies, etc., I've > >> found one which appears able to perform. I hope that this should > >> ensure better list availability and more continuos and timely > >> service. I apologize for the delay in getting to this point. > >> > >> THEREFORE: Expect some disturbance of service > Monday/Tuesday > >> while the transition is underway. > >> > >> I will, of course, do my utmost to minimize any interruptions or > >> disturbances, but I apologize in advance for any inconveniences. > >> > >> Question to y'all: > >> > >> o As the list has moved from being > "OM-cameras" to becoming > >> "OM+E > >> cameras", I wonder if the > >> [OM] should be: > >> > >> o kept in place, for > history's sake > >> o changed to [Olympus] > >> o changed to [OM+E] > >> o changed to something else > >> > >> Consider this a consensus call, not a vote ;) > >> > >> New Features: > >> > >> o The list will be hosted under one of my > domain names, which > >> should > >> allow the > >> addresses to/from it to remain stable even > when/if it > >> moves again. > >> > >> o The host will provide also web-archives for > the list. > >> > >> o There should be an actually functioning > web-interface for > >> setting > >> subscriber > >> options > >> > >> o There's an automated bounce processing > enabled (should make > >> my > >> life easier). > >> We will see how it works, please do signal > any "unjust > >> bounces", if you get some. > >> > >> Now, we have about a zillion subscribers on "Vacation". > Some really > >> are (good for them!), some are our respective > "double-subscriptions" > >> allowing us to post also from work without getting 2 copies of our > >> mails -- and some are "serial bouncers" that have been sent on > >> vacation and never gotten off, likely because their addresses have > >> expired and they're no longer interested. I'd like to take this > >> occasion to "clean up" in that list. So, therefore: > >> > >> o Those email addresses that are *not* on > vacation will be > >> transfered directly > >> > >> o Those email addresses that are on vacation > will receive an > >> INVITATION > >> with information as to how to join and set vacation > >> flags. > >> > >> I've got a couple of additional "new features" up my > sleeve, but for > >> now these will have to wait. Stay tuned. > >> > >> The List Mum > >> > >> ============================================== > >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > >> ============================================== > >> > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1776 - Release > Date: 11/8/2008 6:49 PM > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 14:55:40 2008 Received: (qmail 30641 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 13:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 13:55:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3A4C2996; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:55:28 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:55:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A15C2D7E for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:55:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-46-35.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.46.35]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA9DtJDC029518 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:55:19 -0200 Message-ID: <4916F9DA.4030109@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:55:22 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> <77E80260-6547-4BEB-89D5-354CDEDA997A@thomasclausen.org> <98408A50-ADDD-4788-B668-B5F29CE7C10D@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <98408A50-ADDD-4788-B668-B5F29CE7C10D@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 14:55:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4916ebdc97934673671140 Thomas, thanks for your effort. And for pointing out a couple of basic issues about the list and about TOPE. - Agree with your point of view on TOPE events. - I'd prefer list name remains the same ... for lots of reasons ... I wish it will still be [OM], and keep it not too still. FWIW Fernando. Andrew Fildes wrote: > I'm still try to cope with > 'unjust bounces' - I'm reminded of a young woman I saw today and the > effect she had on me - now that was positively criminal. > I think I'll go take a sedative. > LOL - LOL - LOL - ;^) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 16:23:32 2008 Received: (qmail 32159 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 15:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 15:23:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76983C35B5; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:23:17 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:23:17 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D10C3339 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:23:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from ip06.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.84]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA2003REO2DR7N0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:23:01 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-127.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.127]) by ip06.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:39:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:23:00 -0400 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Fault in Photoshop CS4 ...? To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <509F13F256434A34973D048FE95314EC@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhISACSPFkkYigt//2dsb2JhbACBcIguvlcHg1E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,569,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="444285694" References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 16:23:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4917007420105368819438 I have noticed an annoying "fault" in my copy of CS4 Using the clone stamp tool at varying diameters and at varying degrees of image magnification results in the tool changing from a circle to an arc, and most often to perhaps just a 10 degree arc. Has anyone else noticed this? This issue was not experienced with CS3 jh ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 16:23:46 2008 Received: (qmail 16980 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 15:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 15:23:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A850C3730; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:23:31 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:23:31 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95492C35A4 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:23:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from GMcGrath@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.bfd.46d6f28c (65100) for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:23:01 -0500 (EST) From: GMcGrath@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:23:00 EST Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5046 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: GMcGrath@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 16:23:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49170082103541470116606 In a message dated 11/9/2008 6:08:36 AM Central Standard Time, chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com writes: I think insistence on OM only will see the slow demise of the list. I'd like to vote to keep the list name OM out of reverence for what got most of us here. The list name and its contents are two entirely different things, though. I know there's more digital then film discussion on the list, as well as SUVs, guns, and whatever else is on our members' minds at any given time, and I think that's great, too. Let's keep OM and keep our subject matter as broad as the members collectively want it to be. And a tremendous "Thanks!" to Thomas for shepherding the list. Greg **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 16:27:10 2008 Received: (qmail 29535 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 15:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 15:27:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4EAFC35D3; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:26:56 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:26:56 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C23C3AB2 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:26:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1KzCB7-00022U-PR for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:26:17 +0100 From: Frank@vanLindert.nl To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:26:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> In-Reply-To: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Frank@vanLindert.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 16:27:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4917014e144014673671140 About 15 years old now, the [OM]-list is almost coming of age. If I remember well the first Mum was based at Iowa State. I suggest keeping the list name [OM] unchanged. For history's sake, yes, but all the newbies who have joined in the 21st millennium probably think that [OM] stands for Olympus Mailing-list anyway, so nothing wrong with that ;-) Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:19:54 +0100, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > >Dear all, > > [OM] should be: > > o kept in place, for history's sake > o changed to [Olympus] > o changed to [OM+E] > o changed to something else > > Consider this a consensus call, not a vote ;) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 16:45:58 2008 Received: (qmail 29968 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 15:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 15:45:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0404C4189; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:45:43 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:45:43 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9157CC4979 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:43:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081109154311.XEXW22492.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:43:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49160EFB.801@gmail.com> References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> <430D778D-42DE-44A7-A890-4A126B947E07@roadrunner.com> <49160EFB.801@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <9E61E39B-29FB-4580-9EC3-0A64789C0A04@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:42:48 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 16:45:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491705b66131035110158 On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:13 PM, Moose wrote: > Now here's some REAL Hillbilly music! > Ha! Pure stereotype. Hillbilly Amos & Andy Actually, if you want to hear some good stuff, Dolly Parton put out three albums a few years back. Said she needed to get back to the roots, and she'd been successful enough that she could do it. I've got all three, and the one that comes to mind as the best is Little Sparrow. --Bob ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 16:46:54 2008 Received: (qmail 17466 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 15:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 15:46:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE365C3C59; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:46:37 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:46:37 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A2FC4193 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:44:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081109154452.GJWN15567.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:44:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> <430D778D-42DE-44A7-A890-4A126B947E07@roadrunner.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <5DBDA295-9F7D-4C06-B1B8-6E4056E4C83A@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:44:29 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 16:46:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491705ee185342070262475 On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Bleh - vacuous, fatuous country pop sung in a squeaky teenage voice > by a pudgy, whey-faced bint shot through layers of muslin. Stop by sometime so I can renounce my vows of nonviolence. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 16:49:53 2008 Received: (qmail 15213 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 15:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 15:49:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF8AC4432; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:49:37 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:49:37 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B252CC4750 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:49:02 +0100 (CET) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so710557yxj.89 for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 07:49:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=cYU6GQkXQ+bhGeKdiHjZXBflFY30AKx2vS1sP5rHMwQ=; b=JpHQnrAE3k18HLTCzyPS2TpPjvPmMv5bvHt0ASzjRBwY247ACtc9/WUuDfdoiVKQ2x CT1watO7pBdE7kTb331H7ropfmDF6Yyxjap4Dy8KVtFMoTETzXT8i7OeXeGkmscvezAb DRVNSwnXS/YlBPU/1ui2hBJs6yeHdYMR2yk4o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=nZoRYIQIdCdVYHkuwmX+g0aFceGf9YfLf7QHjx8gACGfly6r/x3tLB0WXlZcWKsj7y M9g1Z0sCyb+ztFj5FjniRbEev3Qk4i50k5cjNX7Dp2BHedsOG7JD0j7JAUyfj3YQK7iq kRO80uGeRf8Tu146cqBkB3AlkCTp98EIZjjq8= Received: by 10.90.103.3 with SMTP id a3mr5134051agc.95.1226245742212; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 07:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.36.11 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 07:49:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:49:02 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff In-Reply-To: <4916F9DA.4030109@adinet.com.uy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> <77E80260-6547-4BEB-89D5-354CDEDA997A@thomasclausen.org> <98408A50-ADDD-4788-B668-B5F29CE7C10D@people.net.au> <4916F9DA.4030109@adinet.com.uy> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 028b726507be640e X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 16:49:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491706a1203057350615338 For continuity sake, I'm in favor of keeping it "OM", but if we were to change it, I'd really suggest "OLYMPUS". This would encompass anything wierd that Olympus will do in the future, like "Pen-E4/3". AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 16:52:40 2008 Received: (qmail 7173 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 15:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 15:52:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D285C4928; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:52:21 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:52:20 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB443C487C for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:51:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081109155149.GYVS24109.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:51:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <6330F8AD-992D-4C4B-967D-07BAB5E06944@people.net.au> References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> <430D778D-42DE-44A7-A890-4A126B947E07@roadrunner.com> <49160EFB.801@gmail.com> <6330F8AD-992D-4C4B-967D-07BAB5E06944@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:51:26 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 16:52:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491707482001838542571 On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: >> >> Now here's some REAL Hillbilly music! >> > > Good stuff - they were funny. My father loved them > I prefer this approach - > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMfh4WQuGc8 Good stuff? Okay. To each his own. But my humble opinion is that your taste is in your mouth. Even as a son of the South, I no longer trust anyone wrapped in a Confederate flag. It long ago was subverted by people who are, shall we say, less tolerant than they ought to be. When I see trucks here in Maine with Confederate flags displayed I know exactly what to expect from the folks inside: Either ignorant twits who don't know any better or pure-bred bigots. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 16:56:02 2008 Received: (qmail 8812 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 15:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 15:56:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5644DC4A79; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:55:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:55:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1C3C4E59 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:54:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081109155420.CJQJ16200.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:54:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <6F3AA6C7-7319-4E69-995D-7DE31F8996B2@people.net.au> References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> <4915E534.4070706@chucknorcutt.com> <100344F1-E556-43D5-9EA3-6A9C4ABD445C@frozenlight.eu> <430D778D-42DE-44A7-A890-4A126B947E07@roadrunner.com> <49160EFB.801@gmail.com> <6330F8AD-992D-4C4B-967D-07BAB5E06944@people.net.au> <6F3AA6C7-7319-4E69-995D-7DE31F8996B2@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <83CF6573-F774-40FD-8505-83D03D34E8FE@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:53:57 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 16:56:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49170812218041499373980 On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Of course, hillbilly can inform some of my preferred music - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtqjmuUaYXA Inform? Hehe. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 16:57:20 2008 Received: (qmail 25775 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 15:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 15:57:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4138C4D18; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:57:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:57:02 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827C7C2CDD for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:55:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1KzCct-00011i-Vu for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:55:00 +0100 From: Frank@vanLindert.nl To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:54:54 +0100 Message-ID: <6t1eh4luapqnq7a7avvegrmeb4bhf9j2ch@4ax.com> References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Frank@vanLindert.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 16:57:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49170860109491035110158 please read 3rd millennium there. the list isn't THAT old... Frank. Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:26:10 +0100, Frank@vanLindert.nl wrote: > >About 15 years old now, the [OM]-list is almost coming of age. >If I remember well the first Mum was based at Iowa State. > >I suggest keeping the list name [OM] unchanged. >For history's sake, yes, but all the newbies who have joined in the >21st millennium probably think that [OM] stands for Olympus >Mailing-list anyway, so nothing wrong with that ;-) > >Frank van Lindert >Utrecht NL. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 16:59:08 2008 Received: (qmail 16874 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 15:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 15:59:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F0FC4AE8; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:58:55 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:58:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D508C2BDA for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:56:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081109155642.CKJD16200.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.103]> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:56:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <491661B8.2050904@interisland.net> References: <491661B8.2050904@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <1A314B43-B39A-49FD-BD29-D3CED9F2F5B9@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:56:19 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bwhitmire@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 16:59:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491708cc20431073733319 On Nov 8, 2008, at 11:06 PM, Mike wrote: > Check out the sound track from "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" Ah, sweet heaven! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 17:02:44 2008 Received: (qmail 18892 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 16:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 16:02:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B26C3255; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:02:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:02:30 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B84FC3AD8 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:02:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.91]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081109160141.TOTX22699.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:01:41 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgoKAGuSFklMRy6f/2dsb2JhbAAIgX/GUoNY Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733407.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.159]) by simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2008 11:08:27 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:01:39 -0500 Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Thread-Index: AclChHMLsY8MHK53Ed2UogAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 17:02:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491709a418942070262475 Thomas, thank for your efforts on this. I think the [OM] should remain for the sake of tradition or, at the most, be changed to [Oly]. Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 17:47:57 2008 Received: (qmail 8026 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 16:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 16:47:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AE8C2F98; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:47:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:47:44 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD8AC2DDD for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:47:42 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 26421 invoked by uid 504); 9 Nov 2008 16:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Nov 2008 16:47:40 -0000 Message-ID: <4917142C.8050505@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:47:40 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 17:47:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4917143d232281234514069 I obviously read this differently from others. If only the list name (vs the contents) is under discussion I have no problem with OM. Chuck Norcut GMcGrath@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/9/2008 6:08:36 AM Central Standard Time, > chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com writes: > > I think insistence on OM only will see the slow demise > of the list. > > > I'd like to vote to keep the list name OM out of reverence for what got most > of us here. The list name and its contents are two entirely different > things, though. I know there's more digital then film discussion on the list, as > well as SUVs, guns, and whatever else is on our members' minds at any given > time, and I think that's great, too. Let's keep OM and keep our subject matter > as broad as the members collectively want it to be. > > And a tremendous "Thanks!" to Thomas for shepherding the list. > > Greg > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1777 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 9:53 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 18:07:53 2008 Received: (qmail 5625 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 17:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 17:07:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8412FC32DB; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:07:41 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:07:41 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFB9C3197 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:07:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-41-105.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.41.105]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA9H7OSW009312 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:07:28 -0200 Message-ID: <491726DF.7070108@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:07:27 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff References: <4917142C.8050505@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4917142C.8050505@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 18:07:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491718e929511993019900 It's not you yourself, Chuck. It is the problem itself ( *per se* ), a semiotic problem. Maybe I feel too wit today, while should be the other way; but this point makes me recall a book by Michael Foucault , a rather unreadable book btw. ;-) Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I obviously read this differently from others. If only the list name > (vs the contents) is under discussion I have no problem with OM. > > Chuck Norcutt > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 19:23:55 2008 Received: (qmail 22910 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 18:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 18:23:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41737C2849; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:23:43 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:23:43 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1102EC283C for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:23:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from 4.red-83-44-108.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.44.108.4]:55468 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1KzEwm-0007U1-6V (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:23:40 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, Picture a Day discussion group Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 45: my hometown Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:23:38 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 19:23:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49172abb86951946193717 My hometown is not very well known outside Scandinavia, but it is the most wonderful place in the world. I go there twice a year, most recently last week: http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=166 As always, comments and brickbats are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 19:44:04 2008 Received: (qmail 31263 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 18:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 18:44:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C88C2FFF; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:43:52 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:43:52 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE091C2EEE for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:43:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d5ct1a00C1GXsucA66jpbp; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:43:49 +0000 Received: from SpongeBob ([24.5.207.129]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d6jf1a00A2o2YFL8T6jpBF; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:43:49 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=p_dBmaGglyEA:10 a=1VZhcQC5gn4A:10 a=7u1zyEwcPF0HC9fwpCYA:9 a=o9CNvF3ACwsjo3D0JuIA:7 a=4Fw2DXZmMZGbg5ygSM5EOefa2rIA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 From: "Jay Drew" To: "Zuikoholic" Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:43:31 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c9429b$15486580$6400a8c0@SpongeBob> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dreaded@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 19:44:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49172f74246841499373980 I'll ditto Greg's view. Well, I'm biased. I am still shooting with my OM gear. And I fully enjoy the digital discussions. I consider the moniker OM to be that secret handshake or that special knock on the door. Once you get in, you're among kindred spirits. Speaking of spirits, I miss Walt's gun and SUV editorials. Jay Hand me my costume Please won't you pass me my mask I have appointments I must keep with my past. Bill Nelson - Beauty Secrets ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 19:58:27 2008 Received: (qmail 31469 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 18:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 18:58:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD7DC321E; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:58:15 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:58:15 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB92C312E for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:58:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611BDCA416 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:16:37 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 45: my hometown Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:58:14 +0000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 19:58:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491732d3144891342116753 I don't normally choose one of your photos, Nathan, but Main is the best for me this time. Only because it has a story attached, a history of friendship which I expect is increasingly scarce these days. I certainly don't have a friend of such a vintage whom I visit with such regularity. But I enjoyed the remainder of the photos and descriptions. I'm not sure I understand why that view in Århus is your favourite, except that the history is interesting, but I will accept it for the moment :-). On a point of English, you don't have to accept the increasing use of "convince" like that. A better phraseology would be "persuaded their parents ...". "Convince" has a subtly different meaning. Chris On 9 Nov 2008, at 18:23, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > My hometown is not very well known outside Scandinavia, but it is the > most wonderful place in the world. I go there twice a year, most > recently last week: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=166 > > As always, comments and brickbats are welcome and appreciated. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 19:59:58 2008 Received: (qmail 1719 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 18:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 18:59:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6CAC327B; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:59:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:59:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D01C3164 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:59:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F21DCA374 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:18:08 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <9F4DA7D4-6E9F-4899-8508-3381EAEB6300@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:59:45 +0000 References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 19:59:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4917332e49282336821329 Thomas Thanks for your continuing hard work, especially in your busy, busy life. I don't mind what we call it, but OM or Olympus would seem to be most suitable. Chris On 9 Nov 2008, at 08:19, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > > Dear all, > > After much trying out with different hosting companies, etc., I've > found one which appears able to perform. I hope that this should > ensure better list availability and more continuos and timely > service. I apologize for the delay in getting to this point. > > THEREFORE: Expect some disturbance of service Monday/Tuesday while > the transition is underway. > > I will, of course, do my utmost to minimize any interruptions or > disturbances, but I apologize in advance for any inconveniences. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 20:00:24 2008 Received: (qmail 17110 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 19:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 19:00:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642ACC2F44; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:00:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:00:13 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24FAC2E35 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:00:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107DFCA338 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:18:35 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <491605D0.2010002@m93.myzen.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:00:12 +0000 References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <491605D0.2010002@m93.myzen.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 20:00:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49173348245065368819438 D'accord, M'sieu. Chris On 8 Nov 2008, at 21:34, Martyn Smoothy wrote: > > If I have interpreted this correctly... I think I agree...... > > The TOPE should continue to require a significant input from Olympus > gear (OM preferably) - otherwise why bother, there are so many other > places to display images. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 20:17:51 2008 Received: (qmail 22771 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 19:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 19:17:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED3EC2D6B; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:17:39 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:17:39 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E6BC3321 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:17:38 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 24520 invoked by uid 504); 9 Nov 2008 19:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 9 Nov 2008 19:17:34 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081109140947.02297f60@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:17:34 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 20:17:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4917375f44323675314703 Hence the reason I have not contributed much to the TOPEs, as I cannot really use my OM gear that much. Even if I had an adapter, there is not much point in attaching Zuiko glass to a 5D in my opinion. Also the reason I have not participated in a lot more than just the two years of not being on the list. Film is just not that practical for me and my time. So don't worry, I was not be intending to participate in the TOPE's. WayneS At 04:20 PM 11/8/2008, Moose wrote: >... >The only Oly gear I have is film, and I've never been much for night >shooting with film. If I don't get a shot? Well, I've missed several >TOPEs. Nothing bad happened. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 20:27:07 2008 Received: (qmail 3169 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 19:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 19:27:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61732C3275; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:26:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:26:54 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04015C32B9 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:26:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20081109192653.LUED1869.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:26:53 +0000 Received: from rundontwalk ([86.5.107.252]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20081109192653.RWNT19264.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@rundontwalk> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:26:53 +0000 From: "IanG" To: References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> <509F13F256434A34973D048FE95314EC@hudson> In-Reply-To: <509F13F256434A34973D048FE95314EC@hudson> Subject: [OM] Re: Fault in Photoshop CS4 ...? Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:28:35 -0000 Message-ID: <000101c942a1$5d345b50$179d11f0$@eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclCfx9Kn7q+MvtWSW6qPluYxyYtOgAIUIxA Content-Language: en-gb X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OsNB7rzK_LUA:10 a=ntWHLWxEmC4A:10 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=FLyO8P1jK2rJT2enySQA:9 a=J_1pn9gnz21hxYHkO2suWrw_ps8A:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ian@skelly.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 20:27:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4917398a18491342116753 I'm getting a few strange problems, display related, which I'm beginning to suspect is down to the way they've moved some processing onto the graphics card. Check the CS4 help for a list of graphics cards supported, it's a bit sketchy (like all the CS4 documentation). -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hudson Sent: 09 November 2008 15:23 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Fault in Photoshop CS4 ...? I have noticed an annoying "fault" in my copy of CS4 Using the clone stamp tool at varying diameters and at varying degrees of image magnification results in the tool changing from a circle to an arc, and most often to perhaps just a 10 degree arc. Has anyone else noticed this? This issue was not experienced with CS3 jh ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 20:29:39 2008 Received: (qmail 30210 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 19:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 19:29:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C53C334C; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:29:27 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:29:27 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2924C2D4F for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:29:25 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 5360 invoked by uid 504); 9 Nov 2008 19:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Nov 2008 19:29:24 -0000 Message-ID: <49173A14.9@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:29:24 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff References: <4917142C.8050505@chucknorcutt.com> <491726DF.7070108@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <491726DF.7070108@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 20:29:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49173a23250909347015869 Huh? OK, if you say so. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > It's not you yourself, Chuck. It is the problem itself ( *per se* ), a > semiotic problem. > Maybe I feel too wit today, while should be the other way; but this > point makes me recall a book by Michael Foucault Choses>, a rather unreadable book btw. > > ;-) > > Fernando. > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I obviously read this differently from others. If only the list name >> (vs the contents) is under discussion I have no problem with OM. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1777 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 9:53 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 20:44:06 2008 Received: (qmail 2365 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 19:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 19:44:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B713AC3402; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:43:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:43:54 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04339C32A3 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:43:54 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 11880 invoked by uid 504); 9 Nov 2008 19:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Nov 2008 19:43:53 -0000 Message-ID: <49173D78.9020307@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:43:52 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 45: my hometown References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 20:44:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49173d86231191257536491 I think Lars had the right idea about what would make a good photograph (Alt 1). I like Alt 2 and Alt 8 as well but as B&W rather than color. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > My hometown is not very well known outside Scandinavia, but it is the > most wonderful place in the world. I go there twice a year, most > recently last week: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=166 > > As always, comments and brickbats are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 21:03:04 2008 Received: (qmail 9109 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 20:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 20:03:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AB4C390B; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:02:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:02:44 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E37C284E for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:00:20 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 19296 invoked by uid 504); 9 Nov 2008 20:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Nov 2008 20:00:20 -0000 Message-ID: <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:00:20 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 21:03:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491741f8202825368819438 I think I took my last night shot (at least that I can remember) in 1964. It was burning gasoline spilling over the edge of the bridge on Interstate 35 as it passes through the stockyards on the south side of San Antonio, Texas. The burning gas was emanating from a burning gasoline tanker which had struck a car on the bridge. It was hard to ignore so I took the camera (a Petri 7s loaded with Kodachrome 64) The scene was pretty brightly lit and I suspect that I was able to get a decent exposure at about 1/60th second at f/2.8. So, what is all this leading up to. I haven't a clue how to expose a night shot... at least one where it's really night, no sky light remaining. I have no giga-joule flash units. If I take an OM-4 out on a night shooting task where the only light is tail lights, head lights, building interior lights, etc. will the automode on the OM-4 be able to figure that out? Will I get a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 second exposure that looks close to a daylight shot? Thanks OM shooters Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > > The only Oly gear I have is film, and I've never been much for night > shooting with film. If I don't get a shot? Well, I've missed several > TOPEs. Nothing bad happened. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 21:52:59 2008 Received: (qmail 32109 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 20:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 20:52:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41BEC2F8C; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:52:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:52:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCC1C2F63 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:52:47 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 31740 invoked by uid 502); 9 Nov 2008 20:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.206.4) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Nov 2008 20:52:45 -0000 Message-ID: <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:52:36 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 21:52:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49174dab209631869477228 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I think I took my last night shot (at least that I can remember) in 1964..... If I take an OM-4 out on a night shooting task where the only light is tail lights, head lights, building interior lights, etc. will the automode on the OM-4 be able to figure that out? Will I get a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 second exposure that looks close to a daylight shot? > Shoot with 5D. Chimp Repeat as necessary. Note exposure details. Reproduce exposure with OM gear. Congratulate self on ownership of such an expensive and sophisticated exposure meter. :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 22:43:11 2008 Received: (qmail 3534 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 21:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 21:43:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78DDC2917; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:42:59 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:42:59 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43214C2BF1 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:42:59 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 31612 invoked by uid 504); 9 Nov 2008 21:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Nov 2008 21:42:58 -0000 Message-ID: <49175961.2090400@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:42:57 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 22:43:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4917596f278611023412894 I knew you were going to say that and that was my first thought as well. After all, the RGB histogram is the finest light meter going. But I was hoping to travel light (ie; without the 5 lb. lightmeter) and return to the past as long as I'm shooting film. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I think I took my last night shot (at least that I can remember) in >> 1964..... If I take an OM-4 out on a night shooting task where the >> only light is tail lights, head lights, building interior lights, >> etc. will the automode on the OM-4 be able to figure that out? >> Will I get a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 >> second exposure that looks close to a daylight shot? >> > Shoot with 5D. Chimp Repeat as necessary. Note exposure details. > Reproduce exposure with OM gear. Congratulate self on ownership of > such an expensive and sophisticated exposure meter. :-) > > Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Nov 9 22:54:17 2008 Received: (qmail 11996 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 21:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 21:54:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0370C2BAA; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:54:05 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:54:05 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from asmtpout018.mac.com (asmtpout018.mac.com [17.148.16.93]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA7AC2BA9 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:54:05 +0100 (CET) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from [172.28.2.10] ([89.233.241.147]) by asmtp018.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.03 (built Aug 7 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KA3004T965WRMA0@asmtp018.mac.com> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:53:57 -0800 (PST) In-reply-to: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> Message-id: <7940E917-87F6-460F-B3A4-9131450414DA@mac.com> From: Johan Malmstrom Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:53:49 +0100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jmalmstrom@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 9 22:54:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49175c09279511257536491 I vote for [OM], to be pronounced like a mantra "oooooum". Reading this list is like therapy to me :) /Johan 9 nov 2008 kl. 09.19 skrev Thomas Heide Clausen: > o kept in place, for history's sake ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 00:01:43 2008 Received: (qmail 771 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 23:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 23:01:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF8FC2D07; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:01:31 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:01:31 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5AFC2B8E for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:00:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d5Kw1a00G0mlR8UA2B0D02; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:00:13 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.254.166]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dB0C1a0013cAhRk8XB0CfP; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:00:13 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=SaaJ8Ph7jAUA:10 a=QG8VU8hEPJwA:10 a=VgFOt23XRpvHsifrP9oA:9 a=Mfeq5BeRqUTrQ5xDGhSM6kCGZkUA:4 a=oH_WKSxD8ioA:10 Message-ID: From: "Darin" To: References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:00:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d.rhein@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 00:01:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49176bd71271234514069 My preference is to stay with [OM]. After all, the OM system is what brought us all together in the begining. Darin Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > > Question to y'all: > > o As the list has moved from being "OM-cameras" to becoming "OM+E > cameras", I wonder if the > [OM] should be: > > o kept in place, for history's sake > o changed to [Olympus] > o changed to [OM+E] > o changed to something else > > Consider this a consensus call, not a vote ;) > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 00:10:26 2008 Received: (qmail 27607 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2008 23:10:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 23:10:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AEC2C2924; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:10:14 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:10:14 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from bernard-frangoulis-computer.local (bcf.pck.nerim.net [62.212.122.83]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5C4C2968 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:10:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bernard-frangoulis-computer.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0455A6F5118 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:10:10 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <7940E917-87F6-460F-B3A4-9131450414DA@mac.com> References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> <7940E917-87F6-460F-B3A4-9131450414DA@mac.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <57D1CAB8-6A7B-468C-BE4D-481FC1038B06@nerim.net> From: Bernard Frangoulis Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:10:10 +0100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lists@nerim.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 00:10:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49176de1114097350615338 I vote for [OM], that's what started it all. This does not preclude us from talking of non-Om and even non-Olympus photography. Actually, [Oly] would be more restrictive than [OM]: as Jay put it, [OM] would be our "secret handshake", without bearing on what we actually discuss, whereas [Oly], being a new prefix, would tend to restrict discussion to things Olympus only. Bernard (who must admit he doesn't use his OM, or even Olympus, cameras any more...) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 01:07:58 2008 Received: (qmail 1279 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 00:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 00:07:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7A5C2E51; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:07:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:07:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from extsmtp4.localnet.com (extsmtp4.localnet.com [207.251.201.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id AEED6C295E for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:07:45 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 7654 invoked by uid 1011); 10 Nov 2008 00:07:44 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by bombastic (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 0.150586 secs); 10 Nov 2008 00:07:44 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 required=4.8 X-Spam-Level: +++ Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp4.localnet.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 00:07:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 26461 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2008 00:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-7-49.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.7.49]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp5.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Nov 2008 00:07:48 -0000 From: Doug To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:29:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811092029.27743.doug9345@localnet.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: doug9345@localnet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 01:07:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49177b5e298271869477228 On Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:01, Michael Collins wrote: > Thomas, thank for your efforts on this. I think the [OM] should remain for > the sake of tradition or, at the most, be changed to [Oly]. > > Michael > I agree. The list has not been pure OM in the last eight years or so. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 01:14:59 2008 Received: (qmail 30854 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 00:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 00:14:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9998C3077; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:14:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:14:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from twinlark.arctic.org (twinlark.arctic.org [208.69.40.136]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F83C311E for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:14:45 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 30009 invoked by uid 554); 10 Nov 2008 00:14:43 -0000 Date: 10 Nov 2008 00:14:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20081110001443.30008.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> From: "Alan" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Where is Gary's lens test hosted ? X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: atk@arctic.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 01:14:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49177d03167891023412894 The results of Gary's lens testing used to be hosted @ members.aol.com/olympusom/lenstests/default_m.htm This link is now dead.... Is it hosted else where ? Thanks ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 01:34:03 2008 Received: (qmail 30126 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 00:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 00:34:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F225C31EB; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:33:52 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:33:52 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1A0C31A4 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:33:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mAA0XmXp010682 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:33:48 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:33:40 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ch_photo@accura.com.hk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 01:34:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4917817b30151993019900 Same here, I vote for keep using OM. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "iwert bernakiewicz" > > Hello Thomas, > good to hear from you. Positive news. For me: let's just keep OM, that is > what started it all, > who nows what will come? > > All the best, > > Iwert > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 01:44:57 2008 Received: (qmail 6282 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 00:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 00:44:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4851C2AF7; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:44:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:44:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.116]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F4CCC3206 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:44:45 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 95637 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2008 00:44:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=JYrgY58iQisD9HRrvU3/NU4lYsDA6kf1T14IJm+avKQUS21Q7JlKDQVrP7e8huhhqSdB4Rx67ZYFzF0g1tZUKj6igT+cPDG2dNAcQ+PFiA0oUSVcUSEy7uo9dGU1syAWPNW8Dql7UJkgDAtMjDTpw0m5mNlQpNjxkKFwYDfHLUA=; X-YMail-OSG: gNJfA.MVM1mEAFBdL06hQ9LEhGWK.ArVfFFE3W7dFULEe4Hf6nBny8chtLa5z9pcgV.YMXtXru4Wu6BfnuIEKsLLwXwCSRSfr_YwgaGPq3t47FYA0z1eExfpe61Hj21t5BPggEBnpFwlbT2oAfkxD9RSdzCmLeIn_t6B3NyPoz3.MlkZchYujT965JdP Received: from [69.250.119.180] by web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:44:44 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:44:44 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Beckrich Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <712424.94960.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rick_beckrich@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 01:44:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49178409247751993019900 Those of us who have been there (digital) and returned just might find that offensive. --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: From: Thomas Heide Clausen Subject: [OM] List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 3:19 AM Dear all, After much trying out with different hosting companies, etc., I've found one which appears able to perform. I hope that this should ensure better list availability and more continuos and timely service. I apologize for the delay in getting to this point. THEREFORE: Expect some disturbance of service Monday/Tuesday while the transition is underway. I will, of course, do my utmost to minimize any interruptions or disturbances, but I apologize in advance for any inconveniences. Question to y'all: o As the list has moved from being "OM-cameras" to becoming "OM+E cameras", I wonder if the [OM] should be: o kept in place, for history's sake o changed to [Olympus] o changed to [OM+E] o changed to something else Consider this a consensus call, not a vote ;) New Features: o The list will be hosted under one of my domain names, which should allow the addresses to/from it to remain stable even when/if it moves again. o The host will provide also web-archives for the list. o There should be an actually functioning web-interface for setting subscriber options o There's an automated bounce processing enabled (should make my life easier). We will see how it works, please do signal any "unjust bounces", if you get some. Now, we have about a zillion subscribers on "Vacation". Some really are (good for them!), some are our respective "double-subscriptions" allowing us to post also from work without getting 2 copies of our mails -- and some are "serial bouncers" that have been sent on vacation and never gotten off, likely because their addresses have expired and they're no longer interested. I'd like to take this occasion to "clean up" in that list. So, therefore: o Those email addresses that are *not* on vacation will be transfered directly o Those email addresses that are on vacation will receive an INVITATION with information as to how to join and set vacation flags. I've got a couple of additional "new features" up my sleeve, but for now these will have to wait. Stay tuned. The List Mum ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 01:45:50 2008 Received: (qmail 2210 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 00:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 00:45:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA031C3210; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:45:38 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:45:38 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 049C4C3251 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:45:38 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 23805 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2008 00:45:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=N4qcJSpyW5NvMnQuIG6TKUm3Be/7us00HJav5+POGNd30HMSbkGrhVihjqZ0DPUucHUxn3AE5eAJ17hha1nh9hoBUALd87Kjxo+s1buis+Do3qCU8Ws/RyhXZr0txvZQ23gyDqUjhy27ArA70jw7SVD14RIHgeME7oEGKGjHcI0=; X-YMail-OSG: jM6lasIVM1lkZLIOog2G86HNFEpwBSjxRmyygxTQVQ1GxgiUy4KNQ.ZQkv4p3w8lI5l.8SfjCkq.u2v_z.kl5_DUszRDYqPaTKy1WqhKARz7MqONB1SOzj2Xy.yatk0RtrcOAq.fKwBjeRXfPj9mpk_ehDdIKIzgrjpkm7rh5iURSt20HgTq49NchA-- Received: from [72.75.221.226] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:45:36 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:45:36 -0800 (PST) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <74478.23767.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 01:45:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4917843e228451234514069 Keep OM! That is the reason people joined this list and it sets the list apart. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 01:55:24 2008 Received: (qmail 14125 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 00:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 00:55:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87CE4C2DA8; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:55:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:55:13 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.148]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id C29E1C2ED9 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:55:12 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 31028 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2008 00:55:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=oOn0bVqJlHrdKOABpcv7Sfax/kSyzriFqcTDd8fdr2SaI2ZtNAeKSFPCjToD5GfTTPOl9QLWZYHjiibbEKtLJ7s/RwuPOls+nzbwY/kgadNqAn0ZkQG3THSa02LLPIobQgH4CYF5NSsbBZacI2jruDEv+mje2TUgjSXVScCT/xA=; X-YMail-OSG: FNgN_ssVM1mL26CieTEpL0qwirAnBLNoFc7ktUo4CeBmUAu3TrWcpHtFSK6diST4iahJ56uqtPmZoGojCwojckN7.7IBAXuRIvDe0qom6A5C8t2NW3R.ekTDHNcInwdae_iHghQbl_MNO97SkV365V.bbSvdBn6T4gDKmcdV0VOp3LDVOHYescbbRNUo Received: from [64.223.49.164] by web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:55:11 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:55:11 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <833200.30246.qm@web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 01:55:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4917867c16711993019900 Nah,   That aint either.  Their:     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWPX5nr6esM   Boris     Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn From: Mike Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:06:16 -0800 So far non of the links have been Hillbilly Music. Here are some examples in its more sophisticated and polished form. I believe the origins are from the Irish and Scottish immigrants who came to work in the Appalachian coal mines. The original instruments were more crude. It incorporates the African influence brought by the slave trade. Besides Bill Monroe and Del McCoury who got his start playing with Bill some others were the Delmore Brothers, the Louvin Brothers, the Blue Sky Boys and of course the Stanley Brothers. Check out the sound track from "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVpD0JfetZU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t2dgqyi7AU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW-w0KgE-8s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mYj_uI01u4 Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 02:01:28 2008 Received: (qmail 16100 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 01:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 01:01:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE4FC2DD1; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:01:17 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:01:17 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6725C2F71 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:01:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA300H25EU4OEA0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:01:16 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-127.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.127]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:15:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:01:20 -0400 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <9F2772FEAD6B4358830D089CD712A91E@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArYRAJsWF0kYigt//2dsb2JhbACBcIguvWMHg1E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,571,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="221758397" References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 02:01:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491787e839251023412894 I agree with CH ......... keep "OM" jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:33 PM Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff > > Same here, I vote for keep using OM. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "iwert bernakiewicz" > >> >> Hello Thomas, >> good to hear from you. Positive news. For me: let's just keep OM, that is >> what started it all, >> who nows what will come? >> >> All the best, >> >> Iwert >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 02:09:36 2008 Received: (qmail 1847 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 01:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 01:09:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097E4C30D4; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:09:25 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:09:24 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.148]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 462A4C2956 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:09:24 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 47372 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2008 01:09:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=XRUGmOki88+pe7Vkobwfp7OcqSMDUxLrs7YajVPklmBiUXPR1YX8eFrnz7pajXfxjsE48XFvqqtsVI+lJDBPnq/6CEnBjmWIf8h8XZp57eU7sgFDNgRbnGPKOCIhRjhW6t5gc/vYIcWxVq2UoKjpG558GU9mlatpC8tJpIjZouI=; X-YMail-OSG: b.8..DgVM1mkpzhweeZpyZmxdoylRcgQJeb40cpkrp5nTXO7u0GvPZFcaEC3bTseWqGNuIq7McB9B5T0Ww3J42D02ce8wXy9qLe2talhLU4IzrGfG1.mTgBFg3hkj3aygd_H4z1QhGo1yh39N_lXc1ykObesRNxTKdMTpCFx Received: from [64.223.49.164] by web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:09:23 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:09:23 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <650298.47329.qm@web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 02:09:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491789d0139869347015869 If I were to leave this country, there are a few foods that I would miss:   Clam chowdah, ranch dressing, buffalo wings and...White Castle or belly bombers as wifey calls them.   When I lived in CT I got them occasionaly from the frozen section at the grocery store, but not in RI.   Boris     Subject: [OM] Re: OT American express From: "Ken Norton" Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:12:54 -0600 I live in the People's Republic of Iowa. The food ain't any better here either. Except the sweetcorn is excellent. I know this seems sick, but my, uh, um, "regular" stop in St Louis is "White Castle". AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 02:10:34 2008 Received: (qmail 2443 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 01:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 01:10:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202B9C2EA0; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:10:23 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:10:23 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2EDC2DA8 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:10:22 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 24017 invoked by uid 502); 10 Nov 2008 01:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.161.182) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Nov 2008 01:10:21 -0000 Message-ID: <491789F7.7030700@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:10:15 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Where is Gary's lens test hosted ? References: <20081110001443.30008.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> In-Reply-To: <20081110001443.30008.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 02:10:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49178a0a156451234514069 Alan wrote: > The results of Gary's lens testing used to be hosted @ > members.aol.com/olympusom/lenstests/default_m.htm > > This link is now dead.... Is it hosted else where ? > It may be gone from active hosting. Still available on the wayback machine. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 02:25:05 2008 Received: (qmail 26303 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 01:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 01:25:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A4CC2DFE; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:24:53 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:24:53 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7D3C2D43 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:24:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 10 Nov 2008 12:24:48 +1100 Message-ID: <100-5e8d1749-38708.002@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:24:46 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <491789F7.7030700@gmail.com> References: <20081110001443.30008.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> <20081110001443.30008.qmail@twinlark.arctic.org> <491789F7.7030700@gmail.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Where is Gary's lens test hosted ? X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 02:25:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49178d71146211234514069 > > The results of Gary's lens testing used to be hosted @ > > members.aol.com/olympusom/lenstests/default_m.htm > > > > This link is now dead.... Is it hosted else where ? http://home.earthlink.net/~pcacala/OMData/ Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ WINERR 024 - SUPERIOR APPLICATION CONFLICT: YOU MUST DELETE ALL LOTUS PRODUCTS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 03:38:21 2008 Received: (qmail 16994 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 02:38:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 02:38:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE67C2C09; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:38:09 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:38:09 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1223C2DA5 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:38:07 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 17579 invoked by uid 504); 10 Nov 2008 02:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 10 Nov 2008 02:38:04 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:38:03 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 03:38:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49179e9d167151823421471 At 03:52 PM 11/9/2008, you wrote: >Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I think I took my last night shot (at least that I can remember) in 1964..... If I take an OM-4 out on a night shooting task where the only light is tail lights, head lights, building interior lights, etc. will the automode on the OM-4 be able to figure that out? Will I get a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 second exposure that looks close to a daylight shot? >> >Shoot with 5D. >Chimp >Repeat as necessary. >Note exposure details. >Reproduce exposure with OM gear. >Congratulate self on ownership of such an expensive and sophisticated >exposure meter. :-) Sounds like a cop out to me. One of the main reasons I ever picked up an OM camera was the low light metering. The OM-2 going down to -6EV. If you can't figure out how to use that feature you might as well be shooting with any old manual exposure camera, why use the OM in the first place?? The OM-4 can meter to -5EV or up to 4 minutes of auto-exposure. Just check the reciprocity of the film being used and use the OM camera at its best. I have taken many a low light shot with the OM and I would trust it first over the digital camera meter. It was that reason I abandon the E-1, it seem Olympus gave up on the style of photography I like most. The E-1 being really bad with noise. Also remember that a 2 minute exposure is only 1 stop more than a 1 minute exposure, there is some latitude to work with. But I suggest trusting the auto exposure on the OM camera itself. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 03:51:13 2008 Received: (qmail 3304 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 02:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 02:51:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E73C3241; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:51:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:51:02 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4DEC3235 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:51:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED7C22D5507 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:51:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wk0I1vYkurmV for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:50:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9133022D54F8 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:50:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <44D48AA0-7365-446E-8D84-11425B9A4467@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081110023401.53C90C3014@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:50:58 -0800 References: <20081110023401.53C90C3014@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 03:51:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4917a1a1236938512572685 > From: Andrew Fildes > > I'm still try to cope with > 'unjust bounces' - I'm reminded of a young woman I saw today and the > effect she had on me - now that was positively criminal. ROTFLMAO! That's positively Walt-worthy! :-) :::: "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad :::: "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer" - Adolf Hitler :::: Jan Steinman ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 03:54:01 2008 Received: (qmail 22654 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 02:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 02:54:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6366C2E2F; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:53:49 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:53:49 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1D4C2CA1 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:53:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665F022D553E for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:53:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ySQEEWEQuym7 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C7022D552F for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:53:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <8F6E70B8-2D97-4B61-BB25-9F40470A39BF@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081110023401.53C90C3014@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:53:46 -0800 References: <20081110023401.53C90C3014@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 03:54:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4917a24926622070262475 > From: Frank@vanLindert.nl > > I suggest keeping the list name [OM] unchanged. > For history's sake, yes, but all the newbies who have joined in the > 21st millennium probably think that [OM] stands for Olympus > Mailing-list anyway, so nothing wrong with that ;-) Ditto. Keep the name the same; simply change what it stands for. :::: Discomfort, especially ethical discomfort, is a healthy alternative to ideological certainty. -- David Holmgren :::: :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 04:24:00 2008 Received: (qmail 18673 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 03:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 03:23:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736EAC2CA1; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:23:48 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:23:48 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156EEC2CE4 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:23:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-29-148.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.29.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAA3NU2M025742 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:23:32 -0200 Message-ID: <4917B746.8030102@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:23:34 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 04:24:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4917a950315561591313764 Chuck, last week I scanned a self-portrait KM, done in 1984 with my OM 2. I did two versions of the selfportrait, the first one looks quite like the KM, the second one was manipulated ( curves, etc. ) to bring out details of my face, opening the shadows and lowering contrast. Only light source was a mercury street lamp. Think I used my Zuiko 28/2,8; most probably @ 5,6. Yes, I stood still. Take a look and judge for yourself ... I called it 'Nihilist Selfportrait' ( means Nothing in Spanish ) - hey, I was 24 then ! ;-) Fernando. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2977145870/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2979484277/sizes/o/ Chuck Norcutt wrote: > If I take an OM-4 out on > a night shooting task where the only light is tail lights, head lights, > building interior lights, etc. will the automode on the OM-4 be able to > figure that out? Will I get a night scene after a second or two or will > I get a 30 second exposure that looks close to a daylight shot? > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 10:18:04 2008 Received: (qmail 17626 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 09:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 09:18:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A256C37F2; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:17:52 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:17:52 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45B1C3734 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:17:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KzSu7-0005oy-FS for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:17:51 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <20081110023401.53C90C3014@ml.free.fr> <8F6E70B8-2D97-4B61-BB25-9F40470A39BF@Bytesmiths.com> Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:17:52 -0000 Message-ID: <006901c94315$35eeb3a0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8F6E70B8-2D97-4B61-BB25-9F40470A39BF@Bytesmiths.com> Thread-Index: AclC35TldnE1LsT/RYiR65b0QbeiQQANZKJA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081109-0, 09/11/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 10:18:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4917fc4c154574673671140 Me too. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jan Steinman Sent: 10 November 2008 02:54 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff > From: Frank@vanLindert.nl > > I suggest keeping the list name [OM] unchanged. > For history's sake, yes, but all the newbies who have joined in the > 21st millennium probably think that [OM] stands for Olympus > Mailing-list anyway, so nothing wrong with that ;-) Ditto. Keep the name the same; simply change what it stands for. :::: Discomfort, especially ethical discomfort, is a healthy alternative to ideological certainty. -- David Holmgren :::: :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 10:57:07 2008 Received: (qmail 4548 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 09:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 09:57:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8B1C2D10; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:56:55 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:56:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1D6C3663 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:56:55 +0100 (CET) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so765743eyd.5 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:56:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=NTCsa88HzIVU+VNF7r4wpJEpRt4bRpotcBdawB2zjfw=; b=dtU8Y3drRi3RS6XiRIchzskPpa+4VyOSomtwdYbkhpvDdr86bpCFaz8tDt6fvNulc3 vCcU9t4zkuJZSUrVJjQiG06hupY6+sEULEXuIGl521eLnAFDQBAImPVJ3GmAoogLk5+C t1Z93ZWeemzPPLaFVr8Z+gw+PFo0hAs07LvMQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=TJJwYOsEtqYsdg3/cpcDMpvuGMX9EU2wqwFiz6LJTHBFDxl+yOuZGkUc6AP2Esf/3r YaAKFnuU4Z0slZZ1nsdDx42UzpkrHcFAxFdYLqOY41xDHyX8wvVd4RNrcxRYkEr1Vl0P 8HynH37tI5RDvhAjKBI2rMKHaziJSDfKODEPU= Received: by 10.210.23.3 with SMTP id 3mr3741490ebw.198.1226311015318; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:56:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:56:55 +0000 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] More For Sale - E-3 plus... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 10:57:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49180573134218512572685 Hi all, This morning's offering: E-3 body and 12-60 DZ Zoom, original kit box, software, instructions cables, charger (ie everything), plus three spare batteries. £1000. 50/2 DZ macro, no box £200. Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 13:25:05 2008 Received: (qmail 15612 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 12:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 12:25:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFB6C2DF4; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:24:52 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:24:52 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31E2C291F for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:24:51 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 20719 invoked by uid 504); 10 Nov 2008 12:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Nov 2008 12:24:50 -0000 Message-ID: <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:24:50 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 13:25:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491828208109117217770 I'm willing to allow the camera to do it's thing if I know how it's likely to behave but for that you didn't answer my question. Will I get a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 second exposure that looks close to a daylight shot? Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > At 03:52 PM 11/9/2008, you wrote: >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> I think I took my last night shot (at least that I can remember) >>> in 1964..... If I take an OM-4 out on a night shooting task >>> where the only light is tail lights, head lights, building >>> interior lights, etc. will the automode on the OM-4 be able to >>> figure that out? Will I get a night scene after a second or two >>> or will I get a 30 second exposure that looks close to a daylight >>> shot? >>> >> Shoot with 5D. Chimp Repeat as necessary. Note exposure details. >> Reproduce exposure with OM gear. Congratulate self on ownership of >> such an expensive and sophisticated exposure meter. :-) > > Sounds like a cop out to me. One of the main reasons I ever picked up > an OM camera was the low light metering. The OM-2 going down to > -6EV. If you can't figure out how to use that feature you might as > well be shooting with any old manual exposure camera, why use the OM > in the first place?? The OM-4 can meter to -5EV or up to 4 minutes of > auto-exposure. Just check the reciprocity of the film being used and > use the OM camera at its best. > > I have taken many a low light shot with the OM and I would trust it > first over the digital camera meter. It was that reason I abandon the > E-1, it seem Olympus gave up on the style of photography I like most. > The E-1 being really bad with noise. > > Also remember that a 2 minute exposure is only 1 stop more than a 1 > minute exposure, there is some latitude to work with. But I suggest > trusting the auto exposure on the OM camera itself. > > WayneS > > > > ============================================== List usage info: > http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: > olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - > http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - > Release Date: 11/9/2008 2:14 PM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 13:26:05 2008 Received: (qmail 26973 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 12:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 12:26:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910E0C2E5E; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:25:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:25:54 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtagate4.de.ibm.com (mtagate4.de.ibm.com [195.212.29.153]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315A7C2D1A for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:25:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate4.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAACPsZl138018 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:25:54 GMT Received: from d12av05.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av05.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.216]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id mAACPr7b3477518 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:25:53 +0100 Received: from d12av05.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av05.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.3) with ESMTP id mAACPrEt013357 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:25:53 +0100 Received: from d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.166.154]) by d12av05.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mAACPqv9013352 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:25:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Disclaimed: 51954 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Ralf Loi X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 10/11/2008 13.25.50, Serialize by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 10/11/2008 13.25.50, Serialize complete at 10/11/2008 13.25.50, S/MIME Sign failed at 10/11/2008 13.25.50: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on D12ML401/12/M/IBM(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 10/11/2008 13:25:52, Serialize complete at 10/11/2008 13:25:52 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:25:51 +0100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ralf_loi@it.ibm.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 13:26:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918285d136803675314703 Nathan, I continue to see your trip photos, do you work sometimes? :-) BTW, I only passed through Århus during my two week long, 900 km bicycle tour of north Jutland in summer '95. I enjoyed your photos, it's time to do a trip to Copenhagen. Ralf ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 13:33:24 2008 Received: (qmail 312 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 12:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 12:33:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EB9C457E; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:33:08 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:33:07 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE64C3F8F for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:30:20 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 26934 invoked by uid 504); 10 Nov 2008 12:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Nov 2008 12:30:20 -0000 Message-ID: <4918295B.7090306@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:30:19 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <4917B746.8030102@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4917B746.8030102@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 13:33:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49182a14166961744846740 Thanks, Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Chuck, last week I scanned a self-portrait KM, done in 1984 with my OM 2. > > I did two versions of the selfportrait, the first one looks quite like > the KM, the second one was manipulated ( curves, etc. ) to bring out > details of my face, opening the shadows and lowering contrast. Only > light source was a mercury street lamp. Think I used my Zuiko 28/2,8; > most probably @ 5,6. Yes, I stood still. > > Take a look and judge for yourself ... I called it 'Nihilist > Selfportrait' ( means Nothing in Spanish ) - hey, I was 24 then ! ;-) > > Fernando. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2977145870/sizes/o/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2979484277/sizes/o/ > > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> If I take an OM-4 out on >> a night shooting task where the only light is tail lights, head lights, >> building interior lights, etc. will the automode on the OM-4 be able to >> figure that out? Will I get a night scene after a second or two or will >> I get a 30 second exposure that looks close to a daylight shot? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 14:26:20 2008 Received: (qmail 2097 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 13:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 13:26:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2348AC30D5; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:26:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:26:05 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106ACC31A7 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:26:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KA4006F7DBBD4RD@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:26:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:26:06 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <4918366E.70906@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> <48095A4ABD104783A14FC650E26ACB51@SueHome> <49144CA5.6040504@verizon.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 14:26:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918367c218791946193717 That's interesting to hear and makes sense. I've heard no major noise about how unreliable they are. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Ken Norton wrote: > >I can see how a micro drive would be easy to break. I imagine that if >> CF card is dropped just right, something inside could crack. > > The funny thing about microdrives is that they have NOT experienced that > great of a failure rate. Everybody seems so concerned about them, but > they've actually been, in use, extremely reliable. > > Slow? Yes. Power hogs? Yes. Reliable? Yes. > > I've been very careful in handling mine, by making sure I hold it by the > edges, but in-camera, I'm just as rough with the E-1 as I normally am. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 15:09:22 2008 Received: (qmail 21067 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 14:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 14:09:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3F9C27B1; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:08:59 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:08:59 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CCEC3E74 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:08:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 56662E0DHF for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:08:30 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:08:28 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006901c94315$35eeb3a0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Thread-Index: AclC35TldnE1LsT/RYiR65b0QbeiQQANZKJAAAoodHA= From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2008 14:08:30.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF2E64C0:01C9433D] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 15:09:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49184092151721591313764 Me too. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Piers Hemy Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:18 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff Me too. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jan Steinman Sent: 10 November 2008 02:54 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff > From: Frank@vanLindert.nl > > I suggest keeping the list name [OM] unchanged. > For history's sake, yes, but all the newbies who have joined in the > 21st millennium probably think that [OM] stands for Olympus > Mailing-list anyway, so nothing wrong with that ;-) Ditto. Keep the name the same; simply change what it stands for. :::: Discomfort, especially ethical discomfort, is a healthy alternative to ideological certainty. -- David Holmgren :::: :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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I see some controversy has arissen regarding the Olymus gear restriction... I'll put an end to it. About a half year ago (or less) we had a similar discussion, and we even had a "concensus-vote" on it on the list. The concensus was, as Moose wrote, that the "Olympus" gear bit in TOPE is the most distinctive factor from the many other photo galleries. Note the word "Olympus" -- not "OM". Any and all Olympus camera gear goes. Then, questions were being raised if using e.g. only an Oly skylight filter would qualify. No such luck. C.H. Ling made the best proposal, which was then accepted by list concensus: either the lens or the body, or both, need to be Olympus. So there ya go: this is what the list wanted back then, and I too agree with it. Having said all this, there was a request for a special non-Oly section in TOPE too, per gallery. This may still happen, but at present I cannot get around to it. It would be implemented as a separator on the gallery page, below the Oly submissions, with a subheader to the effect of "Entries made using other gear" or something like that. It would for the rest have identical functionality to the rest of the submissions. Perhaps if I don't have to chase our toddler so much anymore in my spare time it might yet be done anytime soon... We'll see...:P Then a thing Chuck wrote: > Will I get a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 second exposure > that looks close to a daylight shot? I couldn't believe my eyes when reading you hadn't taken a true night shot since 1964; I wasn't even born then!!! :) Seriously, you've been missing out all those years! Night photography is great and a lot of fun. It is made very much easier with the digi gear nowadays, as you directly see what you got, whereas this was always a BIG question with film. Regarding the exposures: yes, you can already get true night shots with 1-2 seconds exposures (many night shots are around that time of exposure), it all depends on how much light is emitted/reflected by the objects in your composition then. It tends to get hard when doing longer exposures than this; good support is needed (a tripod tends to do) and one needs to take particular care that there are no 'flaring objects' like street lanterns in your shot (which can be terrible), unless explicitly wanted for some reason (which hardly ever is the case). Also, to answer another question of yours: a 30 seconds exposure will still normall not look close to daylight exposures. At night everything looks different, and a whole array of different colours shows up at night. Sometimes this looks kinda spooky, but it does have an atmosphere of its own. Having said this, there was an excellent picture I remember on the "starmatt" site (by Matt Daniels - I believe he's called?), which is baically a night shot of a rainbow formed in the moonlight: that shot did look close to a daylight exposure. Very bizarre. Normally night pictures tend to have a look of their own though: often darkish, with empty streets, yellowish light, and with some distinct red light here and there... Also, night-time lightning is very cool: this will often give purpleish skies etc. Just give it a go: you'll love it!! :) BTW: a thing I was wondering about, and which I haven't looked up in the manual yet: does the E-500 also do bulb exposures? Cheers, Olafo ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 15:21:43 2008 Received: (qmail 7917 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 14:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 14:21:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A5CC31CA; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:21:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:21:30 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C5EC32F1 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:21:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KA400JQDFOSBI42@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:17:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:18:21 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <491842AD.1050601@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 15:21:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918437792938512572685 I agree with that suggestion. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Michael Collins wrote: > Thomas, thank for your efforts on this. I think the [OM] should remain for > the sake of tradition or, at the most, be changed to [Oly]. > > Michael > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 15:42:39 2008 Received: (qmail 30205 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 14:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 14:42:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC6BC3CA4; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:42:20 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:42:20 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2694C3DA6 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:41:09 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 8617 invoked by uid 504); 10 Nov 2008 14:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 10 Nov 2008 14:41:06 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110083707.02318638@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:41:07 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 15:42:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918485f241521744846740 - The point of the TOPE is to use OM gear for the shot. Why bother with using film at all if shooting with a digital camera to figure out how to shoot with a film camera? Just use the digital camera. - My commenting on the digital-chimp-procedure. -- If you want to expose the film to look like the scene: The OM-4 will expose for grey. The zone system of exposure should then be a guide to adjust compensation for the shot and place background where you want taking into account the film reciprocity failure. I have found Provia 100F to have pretty good reciprocity failure for night shots, being almost flat out to 2 minutes. At long exposure, it is better than 400F. Many print films have color shift with reciprocity failure. If using the chimp-meter procedure and using print film, compensate for reciprocity failure. To estimate the correct exposure with OM-4 will depend on the scene. A typical night shot of a city on the horizon will probably want 2 stops under exposure, but one with a lot of light sources, maybe no compensation. This is *if* you want the film to look like the scene. So the answer is, yes, the camera will tend to make it look close to a daylight shot if the illumination is relatively uniform, hence give it approximately 2 stop under-exposure. -- Better approach if using post processing: The other approach is to center exposure range to match the film range, and capture the most dynamic range, then adjust the result with levels and curves later. For most scenes, this means use OM-4t auto with no compensation. Here is an example of how the exposure will lighten the image. The histogram show good exposure. Shot with OM-4t, Provia 100F, not sure on exposure time (30 sec?) but you can see the cloud movement. OM-4t on auto, no compensation used. http://tinyurl.com/6nqkhn Since all the exposure info is there, adjust the midpoint in levels brings the image back closer to what the scene actually looked like: http://tinyurl.com/5sdvjj - Virgin Gorda, 2003 And actually the scene is probably darker, but the eyes also change, so there is a lot of interpretation with night shots. To me the ability of the camera to see things I cannot is what is best about night shots. It can bring out color our eyes loose in low light. WayneS At 07:24 AM 11/10/2008, you wrote: >I'm willing to allow the camera to do it's thing if I know how it's >likely to behave but for that you didn't answer my question. Will I get >a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 second exposure >that looks close to a daylight shot? > >Chuck Norcutt > >WayneS wrote: >> At 03:52 PM 11/9/2008, you wrote: >>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>> I think I took my last night shot (at least that I can remember) >>>> in 1964..... If I take an OM-4 out on a night shooting task >>>> where the only light is tail lights, head lights, building >>>> interior lights, etc. will the automode on the OM-4 be able to >>>> figure that out? Will I get a night scene after a second or two >>>> or will I get a 30 second exposure that looks close to a daylight >>>> shot? >>>> >>> Shoot with 5D. Chimp Repeat as necessary. Note exposure details. >>> Reproduce exposure with OM gear. Congratulate self on ownership of >>> such an expensive and sophisticated exposure meter. :-) >> >> Sounds like a cop out to me. One of the main reasons I ever picked up >> an OM camera was the low light metering. The OM-2 going down to >> -6EV. If you can't figure out how to use that feature you might as >> well be shooting with any old manual exposure camera, why use the OM >> in the first place?? The OM-4 can meter to -5EV or up to 4 minutes of >> auto-exposure. Just check the reciprocity of the film being used and >> use the OM camera at its best. >> >> I have taken many a low light shot with the OM and I would trust it >> first over the digital camera meter. It was that reason I abandon the >> E-1, it seem Olympus gave up on the style of photography I like most. >> The E-1 being really bad with noise. >> >> Also remember that a 2 minute exposure is only 1 stop more than a 1 >> minute exposure, there is some latitude to work with. But I suggest >> trusting the auto exposure on the OM camera itself. >> >> WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 15:52:38 2008 Received: (qmail 27800 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 14:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 14:52:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96F2C30D2; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:52:22 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:52:22 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10ADFC2824 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:52:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KzY7p-0006Px-Jl for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:52:21 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:52:22 -0000 Message-ID: <00c101c94343$f0431dd0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> Thread-Index: AclB1ZT5nLZTqonrQCeiHdSvXXyZEABbgipA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081109-0, 09/11/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 15:52:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49184ab6115911993019900 And thanks from me too, who passed through CPH the previous year, returning from a school trip that had ventured a bit further east. As to the kindness, Chris, perhaps you were even more gentlemanly in those days? Or perhaps we know you better than they did ;-) -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Chris Barker Sent: 08 November 2008 19:10 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Thanks, Nathan. Those little stalls remind me of my quick visit to Denmark in 1971, during the school Easter holidays; I was hitching around Europe on only a small amount of money. It was very cold and wet, as I remember, and the stalls sold stuff I had never had before: delicious sausage in crisp rolls with mixed mustard and ketchup and crips little bits of onion. I also remember the kindness of the people who invited us 2 young strangers (16 years old) into their homes without any qualms, it appeared. Chris On 8 Nov 2008, at 14:53, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > 27 images from a city I love (although it is not my hometown, that is > coming in the PAWs later this weekend), regardless of the weather > (although it was decent for November): > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6494440_mRprc#412445059_mMFZg > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 16:03:51 2008 Received: (qmail 13462 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 15:03:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 15:03:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE7EC3851; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:03:39 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:03:39 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448D3C32FD for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:03:39 +0100 (CET) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so816792eyd.5 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:03:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=ckqluaagx+iJsSv/oJg+6T/17P4PRrV8bWfyYGmM6BU=; b=lfKAQcIrJqpru8fqQN3M3MFYFeU7fof+axoCvarleA5eBGT7eL9TaToojmrQs3dgPB YDCA1DJs2UJQvE3uL0QoLJ42AILDKStS8dWHWOdKWM88hPMavFBsgkZuQ4wJpp2FcitL NNEmQ+ypjwibzQDTb5d+XW13Z7KCw7y9nVd/4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Lm+ddIw9WRej6qddX7xmQTt1TRa15IeEdVTTUcXOzeU+R/TbJuBtxmVg7s74YDhGT5 DUS7epM+59lSxYWQRQCl0Lb3u0VG1wVmJSWbq0xvWF62YUr3kOe8ECTWPO21E9TxgvdF p63mrT2kiqAR89JCgb63WC7E7LQ+dd5pFxc4k= Received: by 10.103.6.18 with SMTP id j18mr3780248mui.33.1226329418983; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.252.13 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:03:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:03:38 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Lexar 4gb CF Deal In-Reply-To: <4918366E.70906@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20081106024244.0DD05C2814@ml.free.fr> <8A0386CC-9BE2-4294-92B5-E37FCD7B1C9D@Bytesmiths.com> <4912C54D.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <04073E90-8C58-4FC3-A306-8EE0FF0D7C03@people.net.au> <49131BEF.6060005@verizon.net> <48095A4ABD104783A14FC650E26ACB51@SueHome> <49144CA5.6040504@verizon.net> <4918366E.70906@verizon.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ef5ba0da469c7202 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 16:03:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49184d5747818512572685 Back before CF prices started dropping like hunks of abstestos from the building being demolished next door, the Microdrives were much less expensive per gig than CF. The "common wisdom" was that Microdrives were unsafe because of shock damage. There was much lamenting, heaps of ashes and sackcloth involved in the rumours of doom and gloom. However, nobody could actually come up with any examples of failed Microdrives that were caused by shock damage. True, you can ruin one by squeezing one, but that's another story. What most people don't realize is that the Microdrives don't run continously and the heads are parked in a safe spot nearly the entire time. A few seconds of inactivity and the drive is shut off and the heads parked. My only real complaint with Microdrives in the E-1 is the extreme slowness. A full buffer of RAW images take around a minute to clear. The Minolta A1 will write files in half the time of the E-1. My personal experience with Microdrives is that they are S-L-O-W and I get around 20% less battery runtime. It's not the first memory device I use because of these two issues, but when I'm working a large event or on vacation, I can cook through my stash of storage devices. However, I'll use it either in my backup camera, or during times of one-off picture taking. Bursts can get you bogged down. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 16:07:10 2008 Received: (qmail 15152 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 15:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 15:07:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB194C356E; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:06:57 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:06:57 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C48FC380B for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:06:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 11 Nov 2008 02:01:53 +1100 Message-ID: <100-e14c1849-25440.006@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:01:53 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <006901c94315$35eeb3a0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 16:07:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49184e1e161241234514069 I vote to leave it as [OM] Why ? 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <491842AD.1050601@verizon.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ae58bc796d720b84 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 16:08:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49184e8259571035110158 As somebody who is absolutely stupid crazy about the OM system, you know that I'm going to prefer [OM] as the header. :) AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 16:09:37 2008 Received: (qmail 10856 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 15:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 15:09:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9244C31E6; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:09:25 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:09:25 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925ECC2FB9 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:09:24 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 26976 invoked by uid 504); 10 Nov 2008 15:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 10 Nov 2008 15:09:22 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110094711.0231bf00@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:09:21 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 16:09:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49184eb1265491023412894 At 09:10 AM 11/10/2008, you wrote: >Hi guys, > >Well... I see some controversy has arissen regarding the Olymus gear >restriction... >I'll put an end to it. I have been off list, but I do remember some discussion on using Oly gear for the TOPE. Hence, I asked the question to find out if things have changed, which they have not. So I will not be participating in TOPE's unless I can resurrect my film scanner. But if I do, it will be with OM gear and film. No digital other than scanner and post processing. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 16:20:31 2008 Received: (qmail 16384 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 15:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 15:20:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526B1C3BBB; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:20:17 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:20:17 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC748C3B5C for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:15:12 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 23625 invoked by uid 504); 10 Nov 2008 15:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Nov 2008 15:15:11 -0000 Message-ID: <49184FFF.4060802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:15:11 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> In-Reply-To: <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 16:20:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918513f171854673671140 Now that I've had a chance to reflect on it a bit more I realize that I have taken photos of Christmas lights, carnivals, fireworks, etc. but have not done any of this night shooting for at least 20 years. When I have questions about tricky lighting situations I generally refer to my copy of Brian Peterson's "Understanding Exposure" (a great book by the way). I did consult the book before posing my exposure question here but was surprised to discover that he offered no guidance on what I would call true dark conditions. All of his examples are shots taken at very late dusk or early dawn when there is at least some light left in the sky. Then he falls back on one of his favorite methods of exposure determination which is to meter the sky. I also sometimes consult my "Black Cat Exposure Guide" which I failed to do in this instance. The Black Cat gives guidance on shooting various scenes lit by either the full, half or quarter moon, buildings lit by dim or bright floodlights, neon signs, carnivals at night, floodlit monuments, nightime skylines, directly under a street light, street scenes with bright lighting, brightly lit store windows, etc. Plenty there to give an idea of what's required. But if I actually do this I think I'll probably drag the 5 lb. light meter with me as Moose suggested. But I doubt if the "meter" will be able to handle more than about a 30 second exposure without a lot of noise or hot pixels popping up. But I guess that's not important if I don't intend to use the shot. And there's one other thing I don't know about. I haven't seen any data on reciprocity failure for many years. The digi has some shortcomings on long exposures but reciprocity failure is not one of them. Assuming the correct exposure is some 30 seconds on the "meter" do I have to add 50 or 100% to the film version to account for reciprocity failure? Chuck Norcutt Olaf Greve wrote: > > Then a thing Chuck wrote: > > > Will I get a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 > second exposure > > that looks close to a daylight shot? > > I couldn't believe my eyes when reading you hadn't taken a true night > shot since 1964; I wasn't even born then!!! :) > Seriously, you've been missing out all those years! Night photography > is great and a lot of fun. It is made very much easier with the digi > gear nowadays, as you directly see what you got, whereas this was > always a BIG question with film. Regarding the exposures: yes, you can > already get true night shots with 1-2 seconds exposures (many night > shots are around that time of exposure), it all depends on how much > light is emitted/reflected by the objects in your composition then. It > tends to get hard when doing longer exposures than this; good support > is needed (a tripod tends to do) and one needs to take particular care > that there are no 'flaring objects' like street lanterns in your shot > (which can be terrible), unless explicitly wanted for some reason > (which hardly ever is the case). > Also, to answer another question of yours: a 30 seconds exposure will > still normall not look close to daylight exposures. At night > everything looks different, and a whole array of different colours > shows up at night. Sometimes this looks kinda spooky, but it does have > an atmosphere of its own. Having said this, there was an excellent > picture I remember on the "starmatt" site (by Matt Daniels - I believe > he's called?), which is baically a night shot of a rainbow formed in > the moonlight: that shot did look close to a daylight exposure. Very > bizarre. Normally night pictures tend to have a look of their own > though: often darkish, with empty streets, yellowish light, and with > some distinct red light here and there... Also, night-time lightning > is very cool: this will often give purpleish skies etc. > Just give it a go: you'll love it!! :) > > BTW: a thing I was wondering about, and which I haven't looked up in > the manual yet: does the E-500 also do bulb exposures? > > Cheers, > Olafo > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: 11/10/2008 7:53 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 16:23:33 2008 Received: (qmail 5422 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 15:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 15:23:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633A6C3BF4; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:23:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:23:13 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5093C4218 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:18:49 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 1151 invoked by uid 504); 10 Nov 2008 15:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 10 Nov 2008 15:18:47 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110101603.0113cb78@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:18:49 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff In-Reply-To: <491842AD.1050601@verizon.net> References: <491842AD.1050601@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 16:23:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491851f5242711257536491 keep OM -> Was OM cameras now O_lympus M_ailing list. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 16:25:23 2008 Received: (qmail 9174 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 15:25:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 15:25:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B276C2D3A; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:25:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:25:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8D6C39D1 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:20:05 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 27025 invoked by uid 504); 10 Nov 2008 15:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Nov 2008 15:20:04 -0000 Message-ID: <49185124.4010307@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:20:04 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110083707.02318638@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110083707.02318638@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 16:25:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918526379362336821329 Thanks for the detailed reply. I'll have to chew on that for a while. Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > - The point of the TOPE is to use OM gear for the shot. > Why bother with using film at all if shooting with a digital > camera to figure out how to shoot with a film camera? > Just use the digital camera. - > My commenting on the digital-chimp-procedure. > > -- If you want to expose the film to look like the scene: > > The OM-4 will expose for grey. The zone system of exposure > should then be a guide to adjust compensation for the shot > and place background where you want taking into account the > film reciprocity failure. I have found Provia 100F to have pretty > good reciprocity failure for night shots, being almost flat out to > 2 minutes. At long exposure, it is better than 400F. > Many print films have color shift with reciprocity failure. > If using the chimp-meter procedure and using print film, > compensate for reciprocity failure. > > To estimate the correct exposure with OM-4 will depend on > the scene. A typical night shot of a city on the horizon will > probably want 2 stops under exposure, but one with a lot > of light sources, maybe no compensation. This is *if* you > want the film to look like the scene. > > So the answer is, yes, the camera will tend to make it look > close to a daylight shot if the illumination is relatively uniform, > hence give it approximately 2 stop under-exposure. > > -- Better approach if using post processing: > > The other approach is to center exposure range to match the > film range, and capture the most dynamic range, then > adjust the result with levels and curves later. For most > scenes, this means use OM-4t auto with no compensation. > > Here is an example of how the exposure will lighten the image. > The histogram show good exposure. Shot with OM-4t, Provia > 100F, not sure on exposure time (30 sec?) but you can see > the cloud movement. OM-4t on auto, no compensation used. > http://tinyurl.com/6nqkhn > > Since all the exposure info is there, adjust the midpoint in levels > brings the image back closer to what the scene actually looked like: > http://tinyurl.com/5sdvjj - Virgin Gorda, 2003 > > And actually the scene is probably darker, but the eyes also change, > so there is a lot of interpretation with night shots. To me the ability > of the camera to see things I cannot is what is best about night shots. > It can bring out color our eyes loose in low light. > > WayneS > > At 07:24 AM 11/10/2008, you wrote: >> I'm willing to allow the camera to do it's thing if I know how it's >> likely to behave but for that you didn't answer my question. Will I get >> a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 second exposure >> that looks close to a daylight shot? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> WayneS wrote: >>> At 03:52 PM 11/9/2008, you wrote: >>>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>>> I think I took my last night shot (at least that I can remember) >>>>> in 1964..... If I take an OM-4 out on a night shooting task >>>>> where the only light is tail lights, head lights, building >>>>> interior lights, etc. will the automode on the OM-4 be able to >>>>> figure that out? Will I get a night scene after a second or two >>>>> or will I get a 30 second exposure that looks close to a daylight >>>>> shot? >>>>> >>>> Shoot with 5D. Chimp Repeat as necessary. Note exposure details. >>>> Reproduce exposure with OM gear. Congratulate self on ownership of >>>> such an expensive and sophisticated exposure meter. :-) >>> Sounds like a cop out to me. One of the main reasons I ever picked up >>> an OM camera was the low light metering. The OM-2 going down to >>> -6EV. If you can't figure out how to use that feature you might as >>> well be shooting with any old manual exposure camera, why use the OM >>> in the first place?? The OM-4 can meter to -5EV or up to 4 minutes of >>> auto-exposure. Just check the reciprocity of the film being used and >>> use the OM camera at its best. >>> >>> I have taken many a low light shot with the OM and I would trust it >>> first over the digital camera meter. It was that reason I abandon the >>> E-1, it seem Olympus gave up on the style of photography I like most. >>> The E-1 being really bad with noise. >>> >>> Also remember that a 2 minute exposure is only 1 stop more than a 1 >>> minute exposure, there is some latitude to work with. But I suggest >>> trusting the auto exposure on the OM camera itself. >>> >>> WayneS > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: 11/10/2008 7:53 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 16:25:44 2008 Received: (qmail 8281 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 15:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 15:25:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BC0C2D46; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:25:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:25:32 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f11.google.com (mail-gx0-f11.google.com [209.85.217.11]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563F0C3890 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:21:43 +0100 (CET) Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so2294868gxk.17 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:21:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Oj5ZIQlOAw6vTJATSo5B6y6RW+MxSlEvOjWc3nuoBG0=; b=XO5SQzl2GXCYw8Mv1PLG8cFQHeNVjH5Ct4x7WVt3+9e0wXQPE4yNcaELgQ5Jf82JP2 tHg/c1g5exew1VzGlMmwDw8Bl5IIwNzzmQ3YEwdEr/xtVBShpzzpdavdan5opyvxv9NP 1uw3R2JwVdwnEhK101vHAKBjLPsAgMt8GYl5w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=xj5ilDwn4N/fvwoTNZZhE822qfHnNdBZmtn31k9I5nrQwtzcNHO77dEzdfPnzrCVgt X2q182ip6KyzD2JmxtxAQX3wz+oKgiJA1TGv6vVPK+uvx2YQqsg03ADs3302rI3MuERq DK+2oEbOURsBczmmiBpjSLPtJVsnwYViHQftM= Received: by 10.103.182.3 with SMTP id j3mr3788022mup.113.1226330501654; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.252.13 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:21:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:21:41 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ddd13c78b73cce29 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 16:25:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49185278208051035110158 I've been thinking about Wayne's delemma and I think I have an adequate solution. At issue is the quality of Wayne's scanner. For TOPE, this really is not that big of a factor because the image is downsized so heavily. When downsizing images, I've found that a slight bit of blurring is actually quite helpful prior to the downsize. What you are doing is applying, in an editor, a bit of AA filter using a blur function. The radius of the blur is determined by the ratio of reduction. Inotherwords, a reduction to 25% of original would need a 4-pixel blur to prevent aliasing. This, BTW, is one of my tricks to get film images to match digital camera images--I resize them downward to about the same dimension but apply bluring and NR prior to the downsize. So, all Wayne really needs to do is get a four-roll box of FujiFilm from Walmart (or other retailer of choice) for $4-6 bucks. (Fujifilm 200 is a terrific night film, BTW, due to a slightly extended near-IR response), have the film processed for $1.64 per roll at same retailer. Take it home, and scan it on whatever garbage scanner is around OR just have it digitized during development and placed on CD. Either way, by the time you downsize for the web display used in TOPE, almost anything is going to work great. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 16:25:57 2008 Received: (qmail 16614 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 15:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 15:25:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289F8C28A3; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:25:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:25:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.144]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AF4C3942 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:24:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [72.51.228.225]) (Authenticated sender: bbbean@beancotton.com) by smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385FC7580A6 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:24:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <49185236.3060307@beancotton.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:24:38 -0600 From: Barry Bean User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1pre (Windows/2008022014) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff References: <006901c94315$35eeb3a0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <100-e14c1849-25440.006@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: <100-e14c1849-25440.006@comkal.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bbbean@beancotton.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 16:25:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49185285312611234514069 Ian Manners wrote: > I vote to leave it as [OM] > > Why ? > > Because I'm to lazy to change my filters ;-) > What he said! -- Barry B. Bean Bean & Bean Cotton Company Peach Orchard, MO www.beancotton.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 16:29:03 2008 Received: (qmail 1560 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 15:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 15:29:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAB7C2D94; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:28:51 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:28:51 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22728C2D92 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:28:51 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 32746 invoked by uid 504); 10 Nov 2008 15:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Nov 2008 15:28:50 -0000 Message-ID: <49185332.4020602@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:28:50 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110094711.0231bf00@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110094711.0231bf00@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 16:29:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918533f245869117217770 For the last TOPE I did where I used film I took the film to the local Wal-Mart for processing and chose only developing with a CD as output. You only get a 2MP image (1200x1600 I think) but I was pleasantly surprised that they all showed very nice histograms and they were certainly usable for making good web images. That said, the lighting in those shots was fairly uniform and not exactly strenuous. I don't know what automatic equipment might do with a night scene that's largely black punctuated by a bunch of bright light sources bit it's certainly an inexpensive option if you don't have a scanner. Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > At 09:10 AM 11/10/2008, you wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> Well... I see some controversy has arissen regarding the Olymus gear >> restriction... >> I'll put an end to it. > > > > I have been off list, but I do remember some discussion on > using Oly gear for the TOPE. Hence, I asked the question to find out > if things have changed, which they have not. So I will not be participating > in TOPE's unless I can resurrect my film scanner. But if I do, it will be > with OM gear and film. No digital other than scanner and post processing. > > WayneS > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: 11/10/2008 7:53 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 16:33:41 2008 Received: (qmail 25258 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 15:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 15:33:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8E3C2D98; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:33:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:33:29 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CADAC2A87 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:33:29 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 4438 invoked by uid 504); 10 Nov 2008 15:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Nov 2008 15:33:28 -0000 Message-ID: <49185448.6030001@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:33:28 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff References: <006901c94315$35eeb3a0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <100-e14c1849-25440.006@comkal.net> <49185236.3060307@beancotton.com> In-Reply-To: <49185236.3060307@beancotton.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 16:33:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49185455232109117217770 Hey! There's Barry! Must be selling too much cotton. Chuck Norcutt Barry Bean wrote: > Ian Manners wrote: >> I vote to leave it as [OM] >> >> Why ? >> >> Because I'm to lazy to change my filters ;-) >> > > What he said! > > -- > Barry B. Bean > Bean & Bean Cotton Company > Peach Orchard, MO > www.beancotton.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 17:15:14 2008 Received: (qmail 21837 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 16:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 16:15:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511A4C2EE5; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:15:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:15:02 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5BBFC3338 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:15:01 +0100 (CET) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so845881ywt.89 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:15:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=fCoI1kgKvUL2YXnsUjOswbdBIVnMzfdj1jjPQ5yhwdc=; b=YRS+cqu9JB7m4XcCKSNlOfVi8M8FO6656OUp0idbpjchGKm2/ENYoI1a7vmXI6IE+W w4P1GriCq9TCquJgz0bg/+fg9ixZYeCD0H3uAilw/hsKtCHT9zpz0WmvW2/tuQ1G4nL1 nXIRurp4JgrGVnPLKOhHn+G/6yYxW9lvnh6Bs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ivyzWg9eaxg/uLRKsD9Bv7i5goj1y1OkMke66q8+ZrPk5eIqKljTjTbjim5KjDV7Fr VFwfC5MdJ8iztEalAGdRfu3M46nl4ai/JEpAG7okN+i1GoO38SG64BjEIx1ky1J4eESn CksA3tw7VwZWzbd8BAiMMIDRwiaY0HFAzYSo8= Received: by 10.103.229.12 with SMTP id g12mr3822567mur.87.1226333700479; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:15:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.252.13 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:15:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:15:00 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <49184FFF.4060802@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> <49184FFF.4060802@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 277f39561e25f336 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 17:15:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49185e12146131023412894 >But if I actually do this I think I'll probably drag the 5 lb. light >meter with me as Moose suggested. I'll gladly leave my scrupples packed at home when it comes to night photography. I've never experienced great success at night photography until digital came along. I prefer film in almost every way in night photography for the end-result, but exposure determination is always a hit-and-miss affair. One primary reason why film is better? I very much dislike how digital handles blown highlights, ie, lights. The transition is never pretty and it is near impossible to maintain original color of lights within the scene. For example, photographing fireworks. With film, you are able to actually maintain mid-tones and sky color while keeping color in the fireworks display itself. With digital, if you even have a hint of sky color, the fireworks streaks all turn white. Also, you can select films with varying degrees of lateral halation which can give you even more options. Fujichrome Velvia and Provia have substantial lateral halation which manefests itself rather uniquely: Bright Red light sources will turn yellow, surrounded by a red halo. With digital, I cannot capture the proper color of fireworks, unless I'm shooting at ISO 100, stopped down to F8 or so. It is impossible to get anything else in the scene at that exposure where the background is easily 10 stops down. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 18:01:21 2008 Received: (qmail 26751 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 17:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 17:01:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22841C3593; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:01:09 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:01:09 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [204.127.217.102]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBEDFC3744 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:01:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20081110170105H02001j7t1e>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:01:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:01:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 18:01:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491868e1222321744846740 Chuck, I had similar thoughts last January. I looked out and saw light snow coming down, lit by a street light. I shot through the window glass, taking several shots because of passing traffic. This is the best shot, using my Fuji Finepix F10, before I bought my Oly E-510. Some post processing in Elements. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Snow+by+Street+Light+sm.jpg.html You can decide whether or not you like it. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:24 AM Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period > I'm willing to allow the camera to do it's thing if I know how it's > likely to behave but for that you didn't answer my question. Will I get > a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 second exposure > that looks close to a daylight shot? > > Chuck Norcutt > > WayneS wrote: >> At 03:52 PM 11/9/2008, you wrote: >>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>> I think I took my last night shot (at least that I can remember) >>>> in 1964..... If I take an OM-4 out on a night shooting task >>>> where the only light is tail lights, head lights, building >>>> interior lights, etc. will the automode on the OM-4 be able to >>>> figure that out? Will I get a night scene after a second or two >>>> or will I get a 30 second exposure that looks close to a daylight >>>> shot? >>>> >>> Shoot with 5D. Chimp Repeat as necessary. Note exposure details. >>> Reproduce exposure with OM gear. Congratulate self on ownership of >>> such an expensive and sophisticated exposure meter. :-) >> >> Sounds like a cop out to me. One of the main reasons I ever picked up >> an OM camera was the low light metering. The OM-2 going down to >> -6EV. If you can't figure out how to use that feature you might as >> well be shooting with any old manual exposure camera, why use the OM >> in the first place?? The OM-4 can meter to -5EV or up to 4 minutes of >> auto-exposure. Just check the reciprocity of the film being used and >> use the OM camera at its best. >> >> I have taken many a low light shot with the OM and I would trust it >> first over the digital camera meter. It was that reason I abandon the >> E-1, it seem Olympus gave up on the style of photography I like most. >> The E-1 being really bad with noise. >> >> Also remember that a 2 minute exposure is only 1 stop more than a 1 >> minute exposure, there is some latitude to work with. But I suggest >> trusting the auto exposure on the OM camera itself. >> >> WayneS >> >> >> >> ============================================== List usage info: >> http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: >> olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. 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(chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Nov 2008 17:06:28 -0000 Message-ID: <49186A13.40203@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:06:27 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 18:06:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49186a2376281499373980 I do like it. How was the exposure determined? Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Chuck, > > I had similar thoughts last January. I looked out and saw light snow coming > down, lit by a street light. I shot through the window glass, taking > several shots because of passing traffic. This is the best shot, using my > Fuji Finepix F10, before I bought my Oly E-510. Some post processing in > Elements. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Snow+by+Street+Light+sm.jpg.html > > You can decide whether or not you like it. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:24 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period > > >> I'm willing to allow the camera to do it's thing if I know how it's >> likely to behave but for that you didn't answer my question. Will I get >> a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 second exposure >> that looks close to a daylight shot? >> >> Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 18:17:51 2008 Received: (qmail 26380 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 17:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 17:17:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C708C3BD6; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:17:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:17:30 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4F1C3FF9 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:15:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id A551936BP8 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:15:18 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:15:18 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Thread-Index: AclDVfb9yag1C3nDTtqTruiOjRakiQAAdycA From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2008 17:15:18.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[E777E5A0:01C94357] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 18:17:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49186cbf270611023412894 That's a sodium vapor light I presume. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:01 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Chuck, I had similar thoughts last January. I looked out and saw light snow coming down, lit by a street light. I shot through the window glass, taking several shots because of passing traffic. This is the best shot, using my Fuji Finepix F10, before I bought my Oly E-510. Some post processing in Elements. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Snow+by+Street+Light+sm.jpg.htm l You can decide whether or not you like it. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:24 AM Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period > I'm willing to allow the camera to do it's thing if I know how it's > likely to behave but for that you didn't answer my question. Will I > get a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 second > exposure that looks close to a daylight shot? > > Chuck Norcutt > > WayneS wrote: >> At 03:52 PM 11/9/2008, you wrote: >>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>> I think I took my last night shot (at least that I can remember) in >>>> 1964..... If I take an OM-4 out on a night shooting task where the >>>> only light is tail lights, head lights, building interior lights, >>>> etc. will the automode on the OM-4 be able to figure that out? >>>> Will I get a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 >>>> second exposure that looks close to a daylight shot? >>>> >>> Shoot with 5D. Chimp Repeat as necessary. Note exposure details. >>> Reproduce exposure with OM gear. Congratulate self on ownership of >>> such an expensive and sophisticated exposure meter. :-) >> >> Sounds like a cop out to me. One of the main reasons I ever picked up >> an OM camera was the low light metering. The OM-2 going down to -6EV. >> If you can't figure out how to use that feature you might as well be >> shooting with any old manual exposure camera, why use the OM in the >> first place?? The OM-4 can meter to -5EV or up to 4 minutes of >> auto-exposure. Just check the reciprocity of the film being used and >> use the OM camera at its best. >> >> I have taken many a low light shot with the OM and I would trust it >> first over the digital camera meter. It was that reason I abandon the >> E-1, it seem Olympus gave up on the style of photography I like most. >> The E-1 being really bad with noise. >> >> Also remember that a 2 minute exposure is only 1 stop more than a 1 >> minute exposure, there is some latitude to work with. But I suggest >> trusting the auto exposure on the OM camera itself. >> >> WayneS >> >> >> >> ============================================== List usage info: >> http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - >> http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - >> Release Date: 11/9/2008 2:14 PM >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. 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I chose ISO 800, rested the camera on the window sash, and let the camera do the rest. F/2.8 is the maximum opening, and it chose 1/4 sec to satisfy its exposure reading. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period >I do like it. How was the exposure determined? > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Chuck, >> >> I had similar thoughts last January. I looked out and saw light snow >> coming >> down, lit by a street light. I shot through the window glass, taking >> several shots because of passing traffic. This is the best shot, using >> my >> Fuji Finepix F10, before I bought my Oly E-510. Some post processing in >> Elements. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Snow+by+Street+Light+sm.jpg.html >> >> You can decide whether or not you like it. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:24 AM >> Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period >> >> >>> I'm willing to allow the camera to do it's thing if I know how it's >>> likely to behave but for that you didn't answer my question. Will I get >>> a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 second exposure >>> that looks close to a daylight shot? >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 18:22:19 2008 Received: (qmail 25793 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 17:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 17:22:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035FAC335A; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:22:07 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:22:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C95EC3A01 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:22:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20081110172204H0100oikc5e>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:22:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <8009B839CAD94DF9BC923A603F7E25F6@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:22:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 18:22:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49186dcb258825368819438 Jim, I just thought that I should have mentioned that. On that street, we have a mix of mercury vapor and sodium vapor lamps. On our corner the sodium vapor is installed. They give better shadow visibility than the older lamps. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timpe, Jim" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period > > That's a sodium vapor light I presume. > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of Jim Nichols > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:01 AM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period > > > > Chuck, > > I had similar thoughts last January. I looked out and saw light snow > coming > down, lit by a street light. I shot through the window glass, taking > several shots because of passing traffic. This is the best shot, using > my > Fuji Finepix F10, before I bought my Oly E-510. Some post processing in > > Elements. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Snow+by+Street+Light+sm.jpg.htm > l > > You can decide whether or not you like it. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:24 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period > > >> I'm willing to allow the camera to do it's thing if I know how it's >> likely to behave but for that you didn't answer my question. Will I >> get a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 second >> exposure that looks close to a daylight shot? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> WayneS wrote: >>> At 03:52 PM 11/9/2008, you wrote: >>>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>>> I think I took my last night shot (at least that I can remember) in > >>>>> 1964..... If I take an OM-4 out on a night shooting task where the > >>>>> only light is tail lights, head lights, building interior lights, >>>>> etc. will the automode on the OM-4 be able to figure that out? >>>>> Will I get a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 >>>>> second exposure that looks close to a daylight shot? >>>>> >>>> Shoot with 5D. Chimp Repeat as necessary. Note exposure details. >>>> Reproduce exposure with OM gear. Congratulate self on ownership of >>>> such an expensive and sophisticated exposure meter. :-) >>> >>> Sounds like a cop out to me. One of the main reasons I ever picked up > >>> an OM camera was the low light metering. The OM-2 going down to -6EV. > >>> If you can't figure out how to use that feature you might as well be >>> shooting with any old manual exposure camera, why use the OM in the >>> first place?? The OM-4 can meter to -5EV or up to 4 minutes of >>> auto-exposure. Just check the reciprocity of the film being used and >>> use the OM camera at its best. >>> >>> I have taken many a low light shot with the OM and I would trust it >>> first over the digital camera meter. It was that reason I abandon the > >>> E-1, it seem Olympus gave up on the style of photography I like most. > >>> The E-1 being really bad with noise. >>> >>> Also remember that a 2 minute exposure is only 1 stop more than a 1 >>> minute exposure, there is some latitude to work with. But I suggest >>> trusting the auto exposure on the OM camera itself. >>> >>> WayneS >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================================== List usage info: >>> http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. 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A warmer image than mercury vapor would have yielded I'm sure. I like the image, too. Quite seasonally appropriate. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:22 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Jim, I just thought that I should have mentioned that. On that street, we have a mix of mercury vapor and sodium vapor lamps. On our corner the sodium vapor is installed. They give better shadow visibility than the older lamps. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timpe, Jim" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period > > That's a sodium vapor light I presume. > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of Jim Nichols > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:01 AM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting > period > > > > Chuck, > > I had similar thoughts last January. I looked out and saw light snow > coming down, lit by a street light. I shot through the window glass, > taking several shots because of passing traffic. This is the best > shot, using my > Fuji Finepix F10, before I bought my Oly E-510. Some post processing in > > Elements. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Snow+by+Street+Light+sm.jpg.h > tm > l > > You can decide whether or not you like it. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:24 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period > > >> I'm willing to allow the camera to do it's thing if I know how it's >> likely to behave but for that you didn't answer my question. Will I >> get a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 second >> exposure that looks close to a daylight shot? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> WayneS wrote: >>> At 03:52 PM 11/9/2008, you wrote: >>>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>>> I think I took my last night shot (at least that I can remember) >>>>> in > >>>>> 1964..... If I take an OM-4 out on a night shooting task where >>>>> the > >>>>> only light is tail lights, head lights, building interior lights, >>>>> etc. will the automode on the OM-4 be able to figure that out? >>>>> Will I get a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 >>>>> second exposure that looks close to a daylight shot? >>>>> >>>> Shoot with 5D. Chimp Repeat as necessary. Note exposure details. >>>> Reproduce exposure with OM gear. Congratulate self on ownership of >>>> such an expensive and sophisticated exposure meter. :-) >>> >>> Sounds like a cop out to me. One of the main reasons I ever picked >>> up > >>> an OM camera was the low light metering. The OM-2 going down to >>> -6EV. > >>> If you can't figure out how to use that feature you might as well be >>> shooting with any old manual exposure camera, why use the OM in the >>> first place?? The OM-4 can meter to -5EV or up to 4 minutes of >>> auto-exposure. Just check the reciprocity of the film being used and >>> use the OM camera at its best. >>> >>> I have taken many a low light shot with the OM and I would trust it >>> first over the digital camera meter. It was that reason I abandon >>> the > >>> E-1, it seem Olympus gave up on the style of photography I like >>> most. > >>> The E-1 being really bad with noise. >>> >>> Also remember that a 2 minute exposure is only 1 stop more than a 1 >>> minute exposure, there is some latitude to work with. But I suggest >>> trusting the auto exposure on the OM camera itself. >>> >>> WayneS >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================================== List usage info: >>> http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> --- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. 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In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment to this email. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 18:31:12 2008 Received: (qmail 11865 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 17:31:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 17:31:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB71C3AC2; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:31:00 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:31:00 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [207.115.11.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9B5C3B63 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:30:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20081110173056H02001bplre>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:30:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <0B1C0B60DFBE47C78487E5A3C86FD285@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:31:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 18:31:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49186fe0111102070262475 Jim Thanks for looking. I'm still not sure how to handle passing traffic during long exposures. In this case, the tail light streaks are longer than the van image. I'm not sure what caused that effect. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timpe, Jim" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period > > I was just caught by the yellow cast it put on everything. A warmer > image than mercury vapor would have yielded I'm sure. > I like the image, too. Quite seasonally appropriate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of Jim Nichols > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:22 AM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period > > > > Jim, > > I just thought that I should have mentioned that. On that street, we > have a > mix of mercury vapor and sodium vapor lamps. On our corner the sodium > vapor > is installed. They give better shadow visibility than the older lamps. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timpe, Jim" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:15 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period > > >> >> That's a sodium vapor light I presume. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >> Behalf Of Jim Nichols >> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:01 AM >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting >> period >> >> >> >> Chuck, >> >> I had similar thoughts last January. I looked out and saw light snow >> coming down, lit by a street light. I shot through the window glass, >> taking several shots because of passing traffic. This is the best >> shot, using my >> Fuji Finepix F10, before I bought my Oly E-510. Some post processing > in >> >> Elements. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Snow+by+Street+Light+sm.jpg.h >> tm >> l >> >> You can decide whether or not you like it. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:24 AM >> Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting > period >> >> >>> I'm willing to allow the camera to do it's thing if I know how it's >>> likely to behave but for that you didn't answer my question. Will I >>> get a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 second >>> exposure that looks close to a daylight shot? >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> WayneS wrote: >>>> At 03:52 PM 11/9/2008, you wrote: >>>>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>>>> I think I took my last night shot (at least that I can remember) >>>>>> in >> >>>>>> 1964..... If I take an OM-4 out on a night shooting task where >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> only light is tail lights, head lights, building interior lights, >>>>>> etc. will the automode on the OM-4 be able to figure that out? >>>>>> Will I get a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 >>>>>> second exposure that looks close to a daylight shot? >>>>>> >>>>> Shoot with 5D. Chimp Repeat as necessary. Note exposure details. >>>>> Reproduce exposure with OM gear. Congratulate self on ownership of >>>>> such an expensive and sophisticated exposure meter. :-) >>>> >>>> Sounds like a cop out to me. One of the main reasons I ever picked >>>> up >> >>>> an OM camera was the low light metering. The OM-2 going down to >>>> -6EV. >> >>>> If you can't figure out how to use that feature you might as well be > >>>> shooting with any old manual exposure camera, why use the OM in the >>>> first place?? The OM-4 can meter to -5EV or up to 4 minutes of >>>> auto-exposure. Just check the reciprocity of the film being used and > >>>> use the OM camera at its best. >>>> >>>> I have taken many a low light shot with the OM and I would trust it >>>> first over the digital camera meter. It was that reason I abandon >>>> the >> >>>> E-1, it seem Olympus gave up on the style of photography I like >>>> most. >> >>>> The E-1 being really bad with noise. >>>> >>>> Also remember that a 2 minute exposure is only 1 stop more than a 1 >>>> minute exposure, there is some latitude to work with. But I suggest >>>> trusting the auto exposure on the OM camera itself. >>>> >>>> WayneS >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ============================================== List usage info: >>>> http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>>> ============================================== >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>> --- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. 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Charlie On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 3:19 AM, Thomas Heide Clausen < olympus@thomasclausen.org> wrote: > > Dear all, > > After much trying out with different hosting companies, etc., I've > found one which appears able to perform. I hope that this should > ensure better list availability and more continuos and timely > service. I apologize for the delay in getting to this point. > > THEREFORE: Expect some disturbance of service Monday/Tuesday while > the transition is underway. > > I will, of course, do my utmost to minimize any interruptions or > disturbances, but I apologize in advance for any inconveniences. > > Question to y'all: > > o As the list has moved from being "OM-cameras" to becoming > "OM+E > cameras", I wonder if the > [OM] should be: > > o kept in place, for history's sake > o changed to [Olympus] > o changed to [OM+E] > o changed to something else > > Consider this a consensus call, not a vote ;) > > New Features: > > o The list will be hosted under one of my domain names, which > should > allow the > addresses to/from it to remain stable even when/if it moves > again. > > o The host will provide also web-archives for the list. > > o There should be an actually functioning web-interface for > setting > subscriber > options > > o There's an automated bounce processing enabled (should make > my > life easier). > We will see how it works, please do signal any "unjust > bounces", if > you get some. > > Now, we have about a zillion subscribers on "Vacation". Some really > are (good for them!), some are our respective "double-subscriptions" > allowing us to post also from work without getting 2 copies of our > mails -- and some are "serial bouncers" that have been sent on > vacation and never gotten off, likely because their addresses have > expired and they're no longer interested. I'd like to take this > occasion to "clean up" in that list. So, therefore: > > o Those email addresses that are *not* on vacation will be > transfered directly > > o Those email addresses that are on vacation will receive an > INVITATION > with information as to how to join and set vacation flags. > > I've got a couple of additional "new features" up my sleeve, but for > now these will have to wait. Stay tuned. > > The List Mum > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 19:38:06 2008 Received: (qmail 8932 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 18:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 18:38:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189A9C41AB; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:37:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:37:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4012DC417A for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:34:17 +0100 (CET) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so867852eyd.5 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:34:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=fKjZF81kW0jnBIqXIZfzI/fCLhNSlPJSc7Ug33K3/Cs=; b=Hkr2WGl2DrafUSuifKCSswm3tG8GyMmYDdSbdSw9PgUlyuh5gYDGWVZzTU4ih9eljg 0U+C+WuifG9zNZ7gkntmToZOsGmxRhtLDU44/+bnJyfMUqMs9rGYpl6+x1RMKCjM3zaY hPbdDvrcj/CHAE321Of+9RhtzOkC4F5AVHfDg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=RdfJCE3oYQmEukoz3LM1gTmz/llLQf+aikT5MnnmIpur7n/xg8iF/nRkN0TTp0SfSs VMnGzPKPYybbxB3MtGyYaqI5ZGjv5Yiup2dqFMAOr21I+NOOhaugVLzseF9AFaTiaViE 16//vIkCcFuYnlVHLFs2FQw890ESe1f4Zx1JA= Received: by 10.210.143.11 with SMTP id q11mr7993984ebd.43.1226342057057; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:34:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:34:16 +0000 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0811100958l5bc91503ted3730cf7820c65f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3961720C-FBA6-4859-A93E-4B9A146A88B3@thomasclausen.org> <14883a8b0811100958l5bc91503ted3730cf7820c65f@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 19:38:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49187f8e16141702588592 It's got to be "OM". Pretty soon that's going to be all the Olympus gear I have left anyway. Oh, and an XA, and a 35RC. Tom 2008/11/10 Charles Geilfuss > > If for no other reason than nostalgia I say keep the [OM]. > > Charlie > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 19:51:51 2008 Received: (qmail 12802 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 18:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 18:51:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76DDC3004; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:51:38 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:51:38 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502BCC388A for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:51:36 +0100 (CET) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so871895eyd.5 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:51:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=CvAhYaW3iIMIVJYm3061JZhWywb4U+jkCGI5M5lr15Y=; b=XLGBKy3D/GUroxLxpgYu6G1t7YLkvpx2WeBIKyJrhtSAAeZ++vAOAXq0+iVIIYcZeI B3/UnhHyFvt+utoNjIha+qzodSFBVAY8I56okfxt9ON/wur8KZXaoa37s5qZj/F0GKEj 5/T2MKnHvOGiIzzEHuKNJMvRnjlpSn8HV0yg0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=FthyLxfcITxAC0kHh9Qzv73PcqdQNulfYkNniUAcHDStULFQPaR218KpWUOh3VS0/w Q1gFhkjnY6J1e8gV9lgl48+1F8v2tq1ouwCqazJoBzXescf/AH48p5K32fXq7GT+AMT0 feQCGtmaQCULqZNBMSGhosoH2ZGqKHpsVUaJo= Received: by 10.210.22.8 with SMTP id 8mr8021525ebv.37.1226343096210; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:51:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:51:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:51:36 +0000 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] More For Sale - E-3 plus... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 19:51:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491882c780163675314703 50/2 is sold. I just checked the shutter count on the e-3 - 8129; plenty of life in the old girl yet... Tom ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tom Fenwick Hi all, This morning's offering: E-3 body and 12-60 DZ Zoom, original kit box, software, instructions cables, charger (ie everything), plus three spare batteries. £1000. 50/2 DZ macro, no box £200. Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 19:55:58 2008 Received: (qmail 21995 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 18:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 18:55:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB12C2C97; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:55:46 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:55:46 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DA1C2BCF for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:55:44 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 24630 invoked by uid 504); 10 Nov 2008 18:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Nov 2008 18:55:43 -0000 Message-ID: <491883AF.4000305@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:55:43 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <0B1C0B60DFBE47C78487E5A3C86FD285@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <0B1C0B60DFBE47C78487E5A3C86FD285@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 19:55:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491883be23625368819438 I think the van is just driving into its own headlight streaks. The headlight streaks are brighter than the taillight streaks and have overwhelmed the taillight streaks where they overlap. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Jim > Thanks for looking. I'm still not sure how to handle passing traffic during > long exposures. In this case, the tail light streaks are longer than the > van image. I'm not sure what caused that effect. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timpe, Jim" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:26 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period > > >> I was just caught by the yellow cast it put on everything. A warmer >> image than mercury vapor would have yielded I'm sure. >> I like the image, too. Quite seasonally appropriate. >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 20:01:49 2008 Received: (qmail 24775 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 19:01:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 19:01:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC9FC36F3; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:01:37 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:01:37 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD499C2E00 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:01:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id D0D5F0F2SC for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:00:48 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:00:42 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <491883AF.4000305@chucknorcutt.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Thread-Index: AclDZfysrkutmT9tTkqEVDCmVSCfLQAAIpPQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2008 19:00:49.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[A502A930:01C94366] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 20:01:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918851d228631257536491 Chuck Norcutt I think the van is just driving into its own headlight streaks. The headlight streaks are brighter than the taillight streaks and have overwhelmed the taillight streaks where they overlap. So the taillights have fallen into the headlight's event horizon...... Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment to this email. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 20:18:43 2008 Received: (qmail 754 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 19:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 19:18:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FD5C37BB; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:18:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:18:30 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860E8C39D4 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:18:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from 4.red-83-44-108.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.44.108.4]:56917 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1KzcHM-0001nq-0u (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:18:28 +0000 Message-Id: <8312FC76-A403-4109-BF7B-A5C66E742AD5@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, Picture a Day discussion group Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 10/11/2008: second attempt Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:18:27 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 20:18:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49188913203601838542571 Sorry, sent it from the wrong address the first time around. Good thing the golf club has liability insurance: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#414262401_9fHd6-O-LB Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 20:36:07 2008 Received: (qmail 23911 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 19:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 19:36:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87556C3F87; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:35:43 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:35:43 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F25DC42CB for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:32:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A191461677 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:49:13 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <95670456-899C-4384-8ACD-FE46B60BE789@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <00c101c94343$f0431dd0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Copenhagen autumn Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:32:56 +0000 References: <8181DF19-14A3-4ECE-9AF3-4852D77C04D6@threeshoes.net> <00c101c94343$f0431dd0$0400000a@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 20:36:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49188d27201443675314703 Daft and naive, more like, Piers :-) Chris On 10 Nov 2008, at 14:52, Piers Hemy wrote: > And thanks from me too, who passed through CPH the previous year, > returning > from a school trip that had ventured a bit further east. > > As to the kindness, Chris, perhaps you were even more gentlemanly in > those > days? Or perhaps we know you better than they did ;-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 20:38:00 2008 Received: (qmail 9281 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 19:37:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 19:37:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CFAC3DD8; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:37:33 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:37:32 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.226.244]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DAB5C3ECF for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:37:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from [138.23.74.123] ([138.23.74.123]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id DLI76413 (AUTH siddiq@ucr.edu) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:37:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <7959FD12-C85C-4895-9A14-4BFC65ABD706@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <8312FC76-A403-4109-BF7B-A5C66E742AD5@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 10/11/2008: second attempt Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:37:05 -0800 References: <8312FC76-A403-4109-BF7B-A5C66E742AD5@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: siddiq@ucr.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 20:38:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49188d98174094673671140 Regarding photo 3, the bakery--i'd be tempted to say Japanese bakeries (and a couple of mediterranean ones) definitely have me drooling. /s On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > Sorry, sent it from the wrong address the first time around. > > Good thing the golf club has liability insurance: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#414262401_9fHd6-O-LB > > Cheers, > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 21:04:30 2008 Received: (qmail 3069 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 20:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 20:04:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 619E9C3F03; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:04:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:04:13 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F53C3F2A for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:04:06 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 26296 invoked by uid 504); 10 Nov 2008 20:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 10 Nov 2008 20:04:02 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110130659.023057f0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:03:55 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <49185332.4020602@chucknorcutt.com> References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110094711.0231bf00@zuik.net> <49185332.4020602@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 21:04:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491893ce204791234514069 http://www.pearsonimaging.com/articles/howto/ls5000cleaning.html I ventured to remove the mirror on the scanner and clean it using PecPads and some digital camera sensor cleaner. Here is the result test. Maybe I have a working scanner again. And, after replacing the mirror, my scans no longer appear 2 degrees tilted. http://tinyurl.com/5fwq8t Too bad I tossed all that Provia from the fridge. I wonder how long it lasts sitting in the basement. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 22:16:56 2008 Received: (qmail 8072 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 21:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 21:16:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA509C2B33; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:16:41 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:16:41 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6338C40E2 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:15:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.238]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAALF5MD026972 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:15:06 +1100 Message-Id: <200811102115.mAALF5MD026972@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:15:05 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:15:05 +1100 Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 22:16:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918a4c818931035110158 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > The digi has some shortcomings on long exposures but reciprocity failure > > is not one of them. Assuming the correct exposure is some 30 seconds on > > the "meter" do I have to add 50 or 100% to the film version to account > for reciprocity failure? > It depends on the specific film you're using - consult the manufacturer's web site for the specs. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 22:20:01 2008 Received: (qmail 6343 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 21:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 21:20:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3293AC42AA; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:19:44 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:19:44 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A97DC3F86 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:17:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.238]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAALHnRQ011529 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:17:49 +1100 Message-Id: <200811102117.mAALHnRQ011529@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:17:49 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:17:49 +1100 Subject: [OM] Re: List-Mum -- new list-home this week, plus other stuff X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 22:20:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918a58114671073733319 > Barry Bean wrote: > > Ian Manners wrote: > > I vote to leave it as [OM] > > > > Why ? > > > > Because I'm to lazy to change my filters ;-) > > > > What he said! > If it's not broken, don't fix it ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 22:29:03 2008 Received: (qmail 27922 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 21:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 21:29:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB3DC2C7C; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:28:51 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:28:51 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BAAC2AFF for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:28:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.238]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAALSmaT019766 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:28:48 +1100 Message-Id: <200811102128.mAALSmaT019766@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:28:48 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:28:48 +1100 Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 22:29:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918a79f198931023412894 > WayneS wrote: > > > Too bad I tossed all that Provia from the fridge. I wonder how long > it lasts sitting in the basement. > You might not want to use it for portraiture but it's probably ok for night shots - the colour is likely to be a bit weird anyhow due to lighting & reciprocity failure. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 22:58:32 2008 Received: (qmail 4295 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 21:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 21:58:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF369C3555; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:58:20 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:58:20 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303EBC343B for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:58:20 +0100 (CET) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so927489yxj.89 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:58:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=NIrD7YdbqA+tA8/VV/TX9ofl2MeVA4+Nq2sUrJYRhOM=; b=tiTIud9wIeu7bGmz5NnDegKyyQH5WYdpqB3Ckw0grdjsfkbPPgkoILmtOReP++2rop 6kQNiD/1vmZZ5Kdr9iXxfy0B91QX/UhGlMOjYV/l3dpM/+AGvCsL+9bK1SQ+/5qgeds4 tYnrCw+C5IIwTHqboAHpCX07S9CtXpjbznWXA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=w0RyodOn8gR3oOIBOUi5mOt+R2UcKSGJBYnS757gPBn/zb835tuEEwsJwPqASyVLy6 MFb+uCiefgqWBQ5Rrh3tghnEvcgkwHWjsVV7P8prJaoSxWPNnAN3Sna6aP3Q/kQXI1bC LSuxG/CLcRaBAMlT0GrZ/JXodxB4vLuwyKlqQ= Received: by 10.103.233.12 with SMTP id k12mr4059480mur.36.1226353728768; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.252.13 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:48:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:48:48 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110130659.023057f0@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110094711.0231bf00@zuik.net> <49185332.4020602@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110130659.023057f0@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4395cc3f7ac3a7a1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 22:58:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918ae88131161234514069 I've found that Provia goes slightly magenta over time, if not refridgerated. During the scan process, I neutralize this colorcast, so it's a non-issue. Thanks for the link to that article on cleaning a Nikon scanner. I suspect that will be something I'll want to do before too long, myself. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Nov 10 23:07:56 2008 Received: (qmail 3270 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 22:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 22:07:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E19C2AD7; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:07:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:07:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.125]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 29A39C294B for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:07:44 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 81608 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2008 22:01:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=JU0nLIufGkBRGF40dreQphMwBfF7i0Y83eU0WANYiasSpthb9LSIEAG69cMUnfiWKP1FW3lMR+VPudRdFtuDK3b1n2YNeANxqby7hpjDF9iTmHQUHvvUY6B7MAt6JoR2gTYrnAFaytDXyK6ZauOAOgqUCdeqoVBlHWSdcqpwcmM=; X-YMail-OSG: qdij8XcVM1kBIXg9sFsDKd6IwXcjTuU3kcF87wER1SsZzF7r9s948s9Z.860_0j2YdbnZLvlfpqqQSBBrjozyTf02N49W4nVJIcf0FD2ZMDDF6S7FX1T_pz9PLvk0cxLW9jN1USZppGzJRcA5XkeUAM9B3h7IDg8YpUMo9d7 Received: from [71.97.4.235] by web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:01:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:01:03 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith Subject: [OM] ZUIKO 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5 To: Om List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <733551.81438.qm@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: proud_texan63@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 23:07:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918b0bc75854673671140    I have been offered this lens, a Zuiko 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5, and was wondering if anyone has used this one and how well it performs? I would appreciate any and all response, good or bad. TIA. Smitty                                                                                               Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 00:13:18 2008 Received: (qmail 11068 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 23:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 23:13:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4103C302C; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:13:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:13:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4302CC2EA3 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:13:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.ca8.398324f0 (39330) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:13:03 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:13:03 EST Subject: [OM] Re: ZUIKO 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 00:13:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918c00e237471869477228 I like it for a good walking around lens. Bill Barber In a message dated 11/10/2008 4:08:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, proud_texan63@yahoo.com writes: I have been offered this lens, a Zuiko 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5, and was wondering if anyone has used this one and how well it performs? I would appreciate any and all response, good or bad. TIA. Smitty Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 00:50:06 2008 Received: (qmail 28193 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 23:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 23:50:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA72DC2D80; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:49:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:49:54 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C4DC302F for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:49:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.236]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAANnoWK014990 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:49:50 +1100 Message-Id: <200811102349.mAANnoWK014990@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:49:50 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:49:50 +1100 Subject: [OM] Re: ZUIKO 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 00:50:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918c8ae288989347015869 > Jerry Smith wrote: > > >    I have been offered this lens, a Zuiko 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5, and > was wondering if anyone has used this one and how well it performs? I > would appreciate any and all response, good or bad. TIA. Smitty          >                                                                          I find it is quite a good performer but a bit difficult to focus accurately at the short end. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 00:52:45 2008 Received: (qmail 19360 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2008 23:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 23:52:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68068C3073; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:52:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:52:25 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1883DC3122 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:51:37 +0100 (CET) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so947538yxj.89 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:51:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=arWvm53aU/Rv4YZghFj2EssC8G3Ves9Q5Rs5IpuTxI0=; b=Hbwm0nFlieTH5CJ2qP/RWgRD1lss+unQyk7cj4LuxSbLtXz5eLQsl6sdfgShFSmKwD fGP3qSc7OTynbV+ygiwFCjSDeUaU4eJYrFdHIDQ3EIPz2LdpDOEWtUDYhT+PAAaLDSWV E+fLL4SiG9i9Xuq3+baojF/hpsEvq34Rw+ze8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CQP3GEHz8N0Hu4VVJDj8LY90Me2rVbGzhtKWkkr000KzhnFsG0yd9jg0GwJSAU+NL3 +g5WTz5WXOwu7qhyNaxIH0H2iZX4TfeRw1tXMA1utgUxK7KzQfu5u3W5IGDVLGPxbw2E d7ftip3wv22kMrSluN/Llomrm95LN2uZ5f9g8= Received: by 10.142.191.10 with SMTP id o10mr2662715wff.67.1226361095821; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:51:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (203-214-102-198.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.214.102.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 27sm11806721wff.3.2008.11.10.15.51.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:51:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4918C8FF.9040602@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:51:27 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 00:52:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918c94d156311257536491 Jim Nichols wrote: > ... > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Snow+by+Street+Light+sm.jpg.html > > You can decide whether or not you like it. Sometimes I come across photos where I don't know why I like them, but I do. This is very frustrating, as I lose the opportunity to wax lyric about them and annoy people with my unnecessarily turgid critique. I really like this one. 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(203-214-102-198.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.214.102.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m27sm1263296pof.14.2008.11.10.15.59.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:59:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4918CAD0.2050302@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:59:12 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 10/11/2008: second attempt References: <8312FC76-A403-4109-BF7B-A5C66E742AD5@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <8312FC76-A403-4109-BF7B-A5C66E742AD5@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 00:59:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918cae729822070262475 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Sorry, sent it from the wrong address the first time around. > > Good thing the golf club has liability insurance: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#414262401_9fHd6-O-LB The dust apparently floating in the centre makes the photo look like a high-speed shot of the tail-end of the impact. If this is the case, you have excellent reflexes, Nathan. ;-) Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 01:04:17 2008 Received: (qmail 7742 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 00:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 00:04:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6451CC2882; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:04:06 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:04:06 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4202C2D9D for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:04:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20081111000403H0400743iie>; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:04:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <0219F0D816FA48D4BD2E06B636ACB8AB@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <4918C8FF.9040602@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:04:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 01:04:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918cc01126883675314703 Marc, Thanks for the complement. I just saw the scene and liked it, so I decided to try to preserve it. Maybe I can repeat it with the Oly this winter. However, the little Fuji F10 is hard to beat at times. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period > Jim Nichols wrote: >> ... >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Snow+by+Street+Light+sm.jpg.html >> >> You can decide whether or not you like it. > > Sometimes I come across photos where I don't know why I like them, but I > do. This is very frustrating, as I lose the opportunity to wax lyric > about them and annoy people with my unnecessarily turgid critique. > > I really like this one. Buggered if I know why but. :-D > > Cheers, > Marc > Noosa Heads, Oz > http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 01:16:46 2008 Received: (qmail 27333 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 00:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 00:16:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0287C2FF9; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:16:34 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:16:34 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC2AC2F7F for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:16:34 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 7020 invoked by uid 504); 11 Nov 2008 00:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Nov 2008 00:16:32 -0000 Message-ID: <4918CEE0.9050703@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:16:32 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110094711.0231bf00@zuik.net> <49185332.4020602@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110130659.023057f0@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110130659.023057f0@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 01:16:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918ceee247601744846740 Thanks for the cleaning tips. I don't have one of those but the general info was interesting. Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > http://www.pearsonimaging.com/articles/howto/ls5000cleaning.html > > I ventured to remove the mirror on the scanner and clean it using PecPads > and some digital camera sensor cleaner. > > Here is the result test. Maybe I have a working scanner again. > And, after replacing the mirror, my scans no longer appear > 2 degrees tilted. > > http://tinyurl.com/5fwq8t > > Too bad I tossed all that Provia from the fridge. I wonder how long > it lasts sitting in the basement. > > WayneS > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: 11/10/2008 7:53 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 01:27:19 2008 Received: (qmail 17361 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 00:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 00:27:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFE1C2CC3; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:27:08 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:27:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7782C2D16 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:27:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from GMcGrath@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id t.d69.332fa07c (33856) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:27:00 -0500 (EST) From: GMcGrath@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:27:00 EST Subject: [OM] Re: ZUIKO 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5 To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5046 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: GMcGrath@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 01:27:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918d16762917927319144 Smitty, Be aware that there are two different versions of the MF incarnation of this lens (there is also a version for the OM-77 AF). The newer version of the MF has serial numbers above 500,000, IIRC. I don't know how much real difference there is in performance between the two versions, though. As Bill said, it's a good walking around lens. HTH, Greg **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. 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(chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Nov 2008 00:45:37 -0000 Message-ID: <4918D5B1.3000805@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:45:37 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: ZUIKO 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5 References: <733551.81438.qm@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <733551.81438.qm@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 01:45:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918d5bd163961499373980 Check Gary Reese's lens tests now on the way back machine. Comments: Very difficult to focus using a 2-4 screen. It performs fairly well at mid apertures but mirror and aperture pre-fire using an OM-2000 as the test body showed measurable improvement from vibration reduction at 105mm. Ian Manners posted this link the other day to Gary's test data. However all that's there is a collection of text files with ebay auction price data. No control code to display it and no lens test data at all. Chuck Norcutt Jerry Smith wrote: > I have been offered this lens, a Zuiko 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5, and > was wondering if anyone has used this one and how well it performs? I > would appreciate any and all response, good or bad. TIA. Smitty > > > Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 01:51:30 2008 Received: (qmail 3312 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 00:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 00:51:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BA8C2FAF; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:51:19 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:51:19 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA62C2F51 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:51:18 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 15981 invoked by uid 504); 11 Nov 2008 00:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 11 Nov 2008 00:51:15 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110182336.01157128@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:51:01 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110094711.0231bf00@zuik.net> <49185332.4020602@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110130659.023057f0@zuik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 01:51:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918d712260881838542571 At 04:48 PM 11/10/2008, Ken wrote: >I've found that Provia goes slightly magenta over time, if not >refridgerated. During the scan process, I neutralize this colorcast, so >it's a non-issue. > >Thanks for the link to that article on cleaning a Nikon scanner. I suspect >that will be something I'll want to do before too long, myself. My scanner was the LS-4000 not the LS-5000, but they are enough similar the article helped. Putting the mirror back in is the tricky part. With scanner upside down, just pay attention to the way the mirror will descend back into the slot. There is just a clip that holds the mirror in. I'm not sure if I'm more happy about the 0 degree alignment or the clean mirror. My scanner didn't have nearly as much dust as that shown in the article. The mirror, of course, is fragile, with exposed coating easily scratched. Now I just need to figure out a way to develop film. In my area, I only see ColorTek, which is located in Boston. Anyone have a good mail order E-6 lab they would recommend? WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 02:08:42 2008 Received: (qmail 25702 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 01:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 01:08:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE15BC2849; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:08:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:08:30 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C818AC2867 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:08:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-33-243.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.33.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAB18NIl028225 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:08:24 -0200 Message-ID: <4918E91D.90909@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:08:29 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110094711.0231bf00@zuik.net> <49185332.4020602@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110130659.023057f0@zuik.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110182336.01157128@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110182336.01157128@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 02:08:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918db1a204851035110158 Exactly so, Wayne, I cleaned mine during April and putting the mirror back requieres a Zen attitude. FWIW, I didn't find any difference between before - after, but I should have done a test scan to support what I'm saying. How do you inspect the amount of dust on the mirror without disassemble? I found useful a pair of small concave mirrors, those used by dentists ( my father was a dentist .... ) to reflect light into the scanner, light from a MagLite torch. HTH, Fernando. WayneS wrote: > > My scanner was the LS-4000 not the LS-5000, but they are enough > similar the article helped. Putting the mirror back in is the tricky part. > With scanner upside down, just pay attention to the way the mirror > will descend back into the slot. There is just a clip that holds the > mirror in. I'm not sure if I'm more happy about the 0 degree alignment > or the clean mirror. My scanner didn't have nearly as much dust as > that shown in the article. The mirror, of course, is fragile, with exposed > coating easily scratched. > > > WayneS > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 02:33:09 2008 Received: (qmail 2741 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 01:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 01:33:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F8CC304F; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:32:58 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:32:58 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26AAC3050 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:32:57 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 12376 invoked by uid 504); 11 Nov 2008 01:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Nov 2008 01:32:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4918E0C8.7040705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:32:56 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110094711.0231bf00@zuik.net> <49185332.4020602@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110130659.023057f0@zuik.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110182336.01157128@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110182336.01157128@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 02:33:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918e0d572281234514069 I don't know where you are or if you're in easy reach of Arlington, Mass just northwest of Boston. When I lived in Woburn and was still shooting film this is where I sometimes had film developed and prints made. Their business was heavily pros and not so much folks off the street. Never had any slides done there but they do them. I haven't done any business with them in at least 5 years but they did good work... at a price. As you walk in the door there used to be a sample print of theirs hanging on the wall. A yellow and black Formula 1 car on a 30x40 or larger print. Gorgeous. Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > > Now I just need to figure out a way to develop film. In my area, I only > see ColorTek, which is located in Boston. Anyone have a good > mail order E-6 lab they would recommend? > > WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 02:37:22 2008 Received: (qmail 6460 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 01:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 01:37:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A211C30FF; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:37:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:37:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF610C2C47 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:37:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081111013709.PYJF23768.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:37:09 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id ddd81a00E4vDLwc02dd8X4; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:37:09 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sdlWdBph5NkA:10 a=GljpQcdMxtkA:10 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=njDphXCNkv3cVo3TUOQA:9 a=kYvAFnLKxB4EfLsXwzIA:7 a=LNwWTAIcAFLf3c9-XU2BMudpS2QA:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=6M4BEG1mqnEA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <3F09DB74B18E4020AC72FBD0ED9A065A@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: References: <733551.81438.qm@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] Re: ZUIKO 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:37:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 02:37:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918e1d2135661234514069 Exceptional. Mine is one of the lenses I'm saving. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Smith" To: "Om List" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:01 PM Subject: [OM] ZUIKO 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5 > > I have been offered this lens, a Zuiko 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5, and was > wondering if anyone has used this one and how well it performs? I would > appreciate any and all response, good or bad. TIA. Smitty > > Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: 11/10/2008 7:53 AM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 02:39:16 2008 Received: (qmail 30031 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 01:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 01:39:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965B5C2AE3; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:39:04 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:39:04 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F172C2CBB for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:39:03 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 12449 invoked by uid 504); 11 Nov 2008 01:39:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 11 Nov 2008 01:39:00 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110195155.0114cee8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:39:01 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: ZUIKO 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5 In-Reply-To: <733551.81438.qm@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <733551.81438.qm@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 02:39:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918e244145477927319144 At 05:01 PM 11/10/2008, you wrote: > I have been offered this lens, a Zuiko 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5, and was wondering if anyone has used this one and how well it performs? I would appreciate any and all response, good or bad. TIA. Smitty > >Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! This lens is not bad but not super exceptional either. The 35-80/2.8 is the latest and best zoom in that range, with the later coatings. Of the lenses I kept, the 35-80/2.8 is one of them. An exceptional zoom. The 35-105 has the unique close focus feature, so a perfectly acceptable lens. The lens shade can be shared with the 90mm macro. However, the rubber lens shades can become reflective and problematic at longer exposures or bright lights. The metal shades are much better. Only lenses I regret letting go might be the 21/2 prime, or the 24/2.8. Several of the more interesting lenses ended up in hands that I knew would make use of them, like the 24/shift. My 350/2.8 got waylaid at a camera repair shop in TX, and was never returned. If you want your stuff repaired, trust John Hermanson, he's the best and most trusted. My main criteria for a good OM lens is one that is reasonably fast, if nothing else than to aid focusing. The 35-105 is a nice compromise lens, but if you plan on acquiring other lenses in that range, this may end up sitting in the closet more often than the other lenses. I would rather have an 85/2, a 50 and a wide than this lens in the bag. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 02:42:00 2008 Received: (qmail 10699 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 01:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 01:42:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB3FC305A; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:41:49 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:41:49 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D79C2BC2 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:41:47 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 14434 invoked by uid 504); 11 Nov 2008 01:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 11 Nov 2008 01:41:45 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110204001.0113ba60@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:41:44 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <4918C8FF.9040602@gmail.com> References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <4918C8FF.9040602@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 02:42:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918e2e8219949117217770 At 06:51 PM 11/10/2008, Marc wrote: >Jim Nichols wrote: >> ... >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Snow+by+Street+Light+sm.jpg.html >> >> You can decide whether or not you like it. > >Sometimes I come across photos where I don't know why I like them, but I >do. This is very frustrating, as I lose the opportunity to wax lyric >about them and annoy people with my unnecessarily turgid critique. > >I really like this one. Buggered if I know why but. :-D The image has a sense of place. For me it needs a little snow on the ground and the street. Then I would be right at home. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 03:13:23 2008 Received: (qmail 21649 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 02:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 02:13:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56D8C3245; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:13:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:13:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B16FC2FE4 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:13:08 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 3470 invoked by uid 504); 11 Nov 2008 02:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 11 Nov 2008 02:13:06 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110205505.0114bc20@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:13:06 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <4918E91D.90909@adinet.com.uy> References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110094711.0231bf00@zuik.net> <49185332.4020602@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110130659.023057f0@zuik.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110182336.01157128@zuik.net> <4918E91D.90909@adinet.com.uy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 03:13:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918ea43135721591313764 At 09:08 PM 11/10/2008, Fernando wrote: >... > >How do you inspect the amount of dust on the mirror without disassemble? >I found useful a pair of small concave mirrors, those used by dentists ( >my father was a dentist .... ) to reflect light into the scanner, light >from a MagLite torch. For me the sign was halos around bright areas of the image due to the dust scattering the brighter light from the image. So look a bright area of the image and see if the scan looks OK. Of course bright halo effects might be in the film, but if they consistently show in the scan, probably means the mirror dust is scattering light. If you don't see any evidence of light scattering in the scan, examining the mirror is not going to indicate much. The scan is the better indicator. Poking around in the scanner for evidence is hit or miss. My first attempt was to use a CO2 blower designed for cameras. That was only marginally successful. When I had the mirror out, though, I used my CO2 blower to purge as much dust as I could from the innards of the scanner. There really wasn't as much dust as I was expecting. I actually found some smudges, so it is possible some oil made it to the mirror. I had to use some sensor smudge cleaner to clean it. Oil is much worse than dust as it will distort and scatter much more, and you will not be able to see it without removing the mirror. Dust on the mirror is going to be out of focus, so it will either fog or halo the bright areas of the image. Oil is another matter. Another thought, when the scanner is sitting idle and not used, storing it upside down may be best to prevent dust from settling on the mirror. or even worse, oil. Oil lubricants are worse when the temperature is high. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 03:57:56 2008 Received: (qmail 2123 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 02:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 02:57:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FB5C31A7; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:57:43 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:57:43 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8527AC3108 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:57:42 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 1573 invoked by uid 504); 11 Nov 2008 02:57:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 11 Nov 2008 02:57:39 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110211348.0114c610@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:57:40 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-Reply-To: <4918E0C8.7040705@chucknorcutt.com> References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <5437B91D-41B1-44F6-9A13-419C8909047C@millennics.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110094711.0231bf00@zuik.net> <49185332.4020602@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110130659.023057f0@zuik.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110182336.01157128@zuik.net> <4918E0C8.7040705@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 03:57:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918f4b4245122336821329 At 08:32 PM 11/10/2008, Chuck wrote: >I don't know where you are or if you're in easy reach of Arlington, Mass >just northwest of Boston. When I lived in Woburn and was still shooting >film this is where I sometimes had film developed and prints made. ... I used to go to a place in Framingham, MA. Colorteck. Many of these businesses are no longer doing E-6; or have consolidated their E-6 operation. The world has gone digital. Traveling into Boston for a roll of film probably is not going to happen. Besides, it appears the film I thought I had, is no longer. I did find some Kodachrome 25 and 64. I think I will just have to pass on the TOPE this time around. :-) Scanning my test scan of some Provia 100F, I'm reminded how much digital now exceeds film. Unless you have an artistic talent on the order of Ken-sliver-nose, film is not going to match the digital very easily. But art is another matter that does not share that boundary. No camera will ever feel like my OM-4t. Perhaps they have a special place in heaven for such folks to go and rejoice in such esthetic acheivements. A good picture is a good picture, however it is rendered. WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 04:21:41 2008 Received: (qmail 9939 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 03:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 03:21:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFB7C3323; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:21:28 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:21:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAD4C2F34 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:21:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C53522ED626 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:21:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d9tGtj3Kr4sw for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0956F22ED617 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:21:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <13068E7E-3396-46D8-A125-8B0AFDD6740B@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20081111024225.0DB85C290B@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:21:19 -0800 References: <20081111024225.0DB85C290B@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 04:21:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4918fa45175498512572685 > From: WayneS > > I have taken many a low light shot with the OM and I would trust it > first > over the digital camera meter. It was that reason I abandon the E-1, > it seem Olympus gave up on the style of photography I like most. The > E-1 being really bad with noise. It might be useful to point out that film and digital respond very differently to long exposures. With film, grain is constant; it doesn't change with the exposure length. With digital, noise is additive, and the longer the exposure, the more the noise. That's why CCD imagers for astronomy are cooled to liquid nitrogen temperatures. Don't use a hammer to pound a screw, and don't criticize digital for having different strengths and weaknesses from film. Use the right tool for the job! :::: People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it. -- George Bernard Shaw :::: Jan Steinman ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 05:00:14 2008 Received: (qmail 30454 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 04:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 04:00:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F63C3108; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:00:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:00:02 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339C2C2E88 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:00:01 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 12126 invoked by uid 504); 11 Nov 2008 03:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 11 Nov 2008 03:59:58 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110222443.02312180@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:59:59 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting In-Reply-To: <13068E7E-3396-46D8-A125-8B0AFDD6740B@Bytesmiths.com> References: <20081111024225.0DB85C290B@ml.free.fr> <13068E7E-3396-46D8-A125-8B0AFDD6740B@Bytesmiths.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 05:00:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4919034e304081838542571 At 10:21 PM 11/10/2008, you wrote: >> From: WayneS >> >> I have taken many a low light shot with the OM and I would trust it >> first >> over the digital camera meter. It was that reason I abandon the E-1, >> it seem Olympus gave up on the style of photography I like most. The >> E-1 being really bad with noise. >... > >Don't use a hammer to pound a screw, and don't criticize digital for >having different strengths and weaknesses from film. Use the right >tool for the job! The E-1 and long exposure was not my criticism, but rather simply that the E-1 was not very good with noise compared to other cameras. I was not criticizing film vs digital, but the E-1 digital compared to alternative digitals for low light photography. The OM used to be a champ at low light, but the E-1 was not. So, Olympus digital does not share the same style of photography as Olympus OM film photography from my perspective. Other digital cameras, eg. 5D, are much more aligned with my OM style of film photography than Olympus digital is. There is not much in common between an Olympus OM film camera and an Olympus digital camera, IMO. I don't think the fact noise is additive in a digital sensor, when compared to film, results in that much difference, at least when comparing with a camera that is not as noisy as the E-1. In the range of 10-120 second exposures, the better digitals do just fine. In fact, I have some OM shots that are badly fogged due to the lens and possibly the lens shade. There is more to low light photography than just the sensor versus film. But the E-1 had fundamental problems when working in low light, from auto-focus issues to sensor noise. Now that I'm older, I've noticed the OM camera has focus issues also... but that is another matter. 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(203-214-102-198.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.214.102.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm13007718wfi.11.2008.11.10.20.17.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:17:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49190751.8060001@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:17:21 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 05:17:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4919076360017350615338 I've mentioned before that I subscribe to fellow OM list subscriber, Chris Crawford's blog. His work always impresses me. However, this one I thought particularly good: http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com/?p=144 Also, since he asks the question, "Does anyone know what year it is?", well, I figure there's a fair chance a few people here might have some input to offer. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 06:23:07 2008 Received: (qmail 29971 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 05:23:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 05:23:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD6DC2D14; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:22:56 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:22:56 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E19C2C5E for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:22:55 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 24783 invoked by uid 502); 11 Nov 2008 05:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.185.124) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Nov 2008 05:22:54 -0000 Message-ID: <491916A8.3060002@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:22:48 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac References: <49190751.8060001@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49190751.8060001@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 06:23:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491916bb213578512572685 montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > Also, since he asks the question, "Does anyone know what year it is?", well, I figure there's a fair chance a few people here might have some input to offer. > Looks like a '55 to me, but that's a long time ago and my memory is older than the car. :-) I had the little brother, a '55 Chevy, for a while. White over green, with black tops to the front fenders where paint had worn through to the primer. 265 V8 bored out to the limits for 'stock' status. Ported, polished and balanced. Corvette CR four speed box. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 06:25:42 2008 Received: (qmail 10257 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 05:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 05:25:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A972C2E1A; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:25:31 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:25:31 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl38.gs02.gridserver.com (cl38.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.47]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25F1C2E08 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:25:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50802 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl38.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Kzlkm-0007uA-6Y for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:25:28 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:25:23 -0500 Subject: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac Thread-Index: AclDveUzI3iQR6+xEd253wAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <491916A8.3060002@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 06:25:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4919175641631869477228 Moose and Marc, Thanks for the info and the compliments. I'm gonna wait and see if anyone else chimes in on the date for the car, then I'll change my writeup on the photo. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 11/11/08 12:22 AM, "Moose" wrote: > montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: >> Also, since he asks the question, "Does anyone know what year it is?", well, >> I figure there's a fair chance a few people here might have some input to >> offer. >> > Looks like a '55 to me, but that's a long time ago and my memory is > older than the car. :-) > > I had the little brother, a '55 Chevy, for a while. White over green, > with black tops to the front fenders where paint had worn through to the > primer. 265 V8 bored out to the limits for 'stock' status. Ported, > polished and balanced. Corvette CR four speed box. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 06:54:10 2008 Received: (qmail 19129 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 05:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 05:54:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2160C2D01; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:53:58 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:53:58 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46050C2B74 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:53:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20081111055354H0100o6jige>; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:53:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:53:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 06:54:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49191e02188921499373980 Chris, I would have to agree with Moose. I started to call it as a 55, but wasn't sure. My wife's grandparents owned one at one time. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:25 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac > > Moose and Marc, > > Thanks for the info and the compliments. I'm gonna wait and see if anyone > else chimes in on the date for the car, then I'll change my writeup on the > photo. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Photography & Graphic Design > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. > > > > On 11/11/08 12:22 AM, "Moose" wrote: > >> montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: >>> Also, since he asks the question, "Does anyone know what year it is?", >>> well, >>> I figure there's a fair chance a few people here might have some input >>> to >>> offer. >>> >> Looks like a '55 to me, but that's a long time ago and my memory is >> older than the car. :-) >> >> I had the little brother, a '55 Chevy, for a while. White over green, >> with black tops to the front fenders where paint had worn through to the >> primer. 265 V8 bored out to the limits for 'stock' status. Ported, >> polished and balanced. Corvette CR four speed box. >> >> Moose >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 07:11:14 2008 Received: (qmail 10590 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 06:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 06:11:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54BCC2915; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:11:02 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:11:02 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl34.gs02.gridserver.com (cl34.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.43]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C1DC2DE2 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:11:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50884 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl34.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KzmSq-0004HB-Og for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:11:01 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:10:58 -0500 Subject: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac Thread-Index: AclDxENjgiZuZq+3Ed253wAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 07:11:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49192202149774673671140 That's cool about your wife's grandparents. Young men like me think of these old cars as something that rich men collect, not something that ordinary people once bought and drove as everyday transportation...but that is what they were originally. My father's first car was a 1957 Chevy Bel-Aire. Those are worth a fortune today, but his was an old beat-up junker he bought for $100 in the late 1960's when he got his drivers license. He sold it and bought something nicer as soon as he had the money. My grandpa used to talk about old cars he'd owned that he wished he'd kept cause they're worth something today. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 11/11/08 12:53 AM, "Jim Nichols" wrote: > > Chris, > > I would have to agree with Moose. I started to call it as a 55, but wasn't > sure. My wife's grandparents owned one at one time. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Crawford" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:25 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac > > >> >> Moose and Marc, >> >> Thanks for the info and the compliments. I'm gonna wait and see if anyone >> else chimes in on the date for the car, then I'll change my writeup on the >> photo. >> >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Photography & Graphic Design >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >> >> http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. >> >> >> >> On 11/11/08 12:22 AM, "Moose" wrote: >> >>> montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: >>>> Also, since he asks the question, "Does anyone know what year it is?", >>>> well, >>>> I figure there's a fair chance a few people here might have some input >>>> to >>>> offer. >>>> >>> Looks like a '55 to me, but that's a long time ago and my memory is >>> older than the car. :-) >>> >>> I had the little brother, a '55 Chevy, for a while. White over green, >>> with black tops to the front fenders where paint had worn through to the >>> primer. 265 V8 bored out to the limits for 'stock' status. Ported, >>> polished and balanced. Corvette CR four speed box. >>> >>> Moose >>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 07:13:07 2008 Received: (qmail 14254 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 06:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 06:13:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068DCC2DC0; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:12:56 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:12:55 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CBBC2DB9 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:12:55 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 21330 invoked by uid 502); 11 Nov 2008 06:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.182.179) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Nov 2008 06:12:53 -0000 Message-ID: <49192263.6070208@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:12:51 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: ZUIKO 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5 References: <733551.81438.qm@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110195155.0114cee8@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081110195155.0114cee8@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 07:13:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49192273190921585427447 WayneS wrote: > At 05:01 PM 11/10/2008, you wrote: > >> I have been offered this lens, a Zuiko 35-105MM 35-105/3.5-4.5, and was wondering if anyone has used this one and how well it performs? I would appreciate any and all response, good or bad. TIA. Smitty >> > > This lens is not bad but not super exceptional either. I would have put it "This lens is very good but not super exceptional." It's the lens mounted on the OM-1 with film in it at the moment, so I must like it. :-) > The 35-80/2.8 is the latest and best zoom in that range, with the later coatings. Of the lenses I kept, the 35-80/2.8 is one of them. An exceptional zoom. The 35-105 has the unique close focus feature, so a perfectly acceptable lens. > For the reasons below, I've never owned a 35-80/2.8. Absent experience with whatever magic it might possess that simple resolution and contrast comparisons don't reveal, it has always appeared to me, based on Gary's tests, that the two lenses are comparable from f5.6. They wander a bit as to which has the better grade, but it was not a paired comparison, so 1/3 or 2/3 grade differences aren't significant. The reasons I have a 35-105 I've never had the 35-80 fall into two categories: I. Non performance a. Weight b. Size c. Cost II. Performance a. Not long enough for all the penalties in I. b. Doesn't focus anywhere near close enough. I will never be happy with a lens that focuses only to 1:8 as a general purpose lens, which is what a 35-70/80/105 should be. In fact, the one characteristic of the 35-105 that consistently bugs me is the lack of adequate close-up capability. The way the Close Focus ring works is by simply moving the whole lens forward a few mm. Since that distance is a greater % of 35mm than of 105mm, closest focus (greatest magnification) is at 35mm, not really ideal. Also whatever all the many lenses and ads for them of the MF era may say, 1:4 ain't macro, just sort of close. I'm also under the impression that optical performance falls close-up. I can't really back that up, but whatever the reason, I never seemed to get particularly good close-up images with it. The Tamron 35-105/2.8 shares this problem of insufficient close focus. The Tamron 35-80/2.8-3.8 is a little short, but: Small Light Cheap Focuses to 1:2.5. Does so at the long end. Is nice and sharp near and far. I find it generally the best compromise of features and performance for a walking around lens. None of these lenses are quite wide and long enough. 24/2.8 in one pocket and 200/5 in another is one solution. :-) The Tamron 28-200, is another, odder solution, light and plasticky, but not bad as a walking around lens. Doesn't get close enough, though. The Kiron 28-210 is another, metal, big, heavy, but optically very good. Enough heft to feel good with a Winder, 1:4' different, more serious sort of walking around. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 07:29:36 2008 Received: (qmail 24015 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 06:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 06:29:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A068C2E0F; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:29:25 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:29:25 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C37C2CB6 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:29:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dYL61a00G0FhH24A1iVP2p; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:29:23 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([24.20.172.214]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id diVN1a0094du4sg8UiVPFk; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:29:23 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cunos6kZ2mYA:10 a=xDZ1lhBlvM8A:10 a=5enjEAJCK1n0ln_kN9UA:9 a=OcXQNyOfWoeXSv0-b3it2MfZLlkA:4 a=mw0SDfYLnp8A:10 a=6bqG61NMjcsA:10 Message-ID: <0A642D8E6D74457EA90A4412DAEE0077@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:29:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pelaughlin@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 07:29:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49192650308938512572685 Comparison to photos on a Google search say '55. Similar to the grilles of the '56 and '57, but the bullets are located differently. The '57 was my favorite design. I had a '49 club coupe, that was a great car. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac > > Moose and Marc, > > Thanks for the info and the compliments. I'm gonna wait and see if anyone > else chimes in on the date for the car, then I'll change my writeup on the ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 07:53:01 2008 Received: (qmail 9547 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 06:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 06:53:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52185C2E44; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:52:49 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:52:49 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AE3C2E90 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:52:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <23283266.32451226386846309.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-216-218.wbs.co.za ([41.208.216.218]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 402 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:00:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:52:39 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 07:53:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49192bcd81481585427447 Now Chris, tell us a bit more about the technical side of this very nice image: What equipment did you use, how was final output produced, etc? P.S. While I love the tonality and general "look of the image, I can't help but think that I would have framed it such that the lamppost behind was either further from the car, or perhaps not in the photograph at all. In many ways, the same goes for the tree growing out of the car's trunk (or "boot" as we'd call it here in South Africa). I'd have moved left to hide it behind the car completely, which would also have sorted out the lamppost. Anyway, it's your image, I was just wondering about your thoughts around the composition? kind regards, Dawid On 11 Nov 2008, at 7:25 AM, Chris Crawford wrote: > Moose and Marc, > > Thanks for the info and the compliments. I'm gonna wait and see if > anyone > else chimes in on the date for the car, then I'll change my writeup > on the > photo. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 08:18:59 2008 Received: (qmail 17784 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 07:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 07:18:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874EDC30EA; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:18:47 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:18:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 87E12C2D0F for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:18:45 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 15722 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 07:18:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.178.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 07:18:41 -0000 In-Reply-To: <0219F0D816FA48D4BD2E06B636ACB8AB@jimnichols> References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <4918C8FF.9040602@gmail.com> <0219F0D816FA48D4BD2E06B636ACB8AB@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <592F3653-922F-453D-9DA1-25F531B00946@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:18:35 +1100 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 08:18:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491931e397321591313764 Shame it doesn't have a WB setting for 'Sodium Light'... :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/11/2008, at 11:04 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Thanks for the complement. I just saw the scene and liked it, so I > decided > to try to preserve it. Maybe I can repeat it with the Oly this > winter. > However, the little Fuji F10 is hard to beat at times. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 08:51:03 2008 Received: (qmail 17767 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 07:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 07:51:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA8AC3329; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:50:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:50:45 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-170.ctimail.com [61.93.57.170]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAEAC2F3A for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:50:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mAB7oeNL031141 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:50:40 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mAB7oeGp006129 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:50:40 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <46F829E8A6374B0E937362133EE2B5B8@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: References: <20081111024225.0DB85C290B@ml.free.fr> <13068E7E-3396-46D8-A125-8B0AFDD6740B@Bytesmiths.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110222443.02312180@zuik.net> Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:50:33 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ch_photo@accura.com.hk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 08:51:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49193967306511073733319 E-1 is not noiser than the others for long exposure as long as you keep the ISO low. You have to make sure the noise reduction (cancellation?) feature is enabled, it takes another dark exposure to cancel the random hot pixel generated. Talking about hot pixel, 5D generates lots of hot pixels starting from ISO1600, which is bad as they cannot be reduced by NR software (same as my 40D), I do hope the Mark II is better. Similar problem does not found in E-3. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "WayneS" > > The E-1 and long exposure was not my criticism, but rather simply > that the E-1 was not very good with noise compared to other > cameras. I was not criticizing film vs digital, but the E-1 digital > compared to alternative digitals for low light photography. The > OM used to be a champ at low light, but the E-1 was not. > > So, Olympus digital does not share the same style of > photography as Olympus OM film photography from my > perspective. Other digital cameras, eg. 5D, are much more > aligned with my OM style of film photography than Olympus > digital is. There is not much in common between an Olympus > OM film camera and an Olympus digital camera, IMO. > > I don't think the fact noise is additive in a digital sensor, when > compared to film, results in that much difference, at least when > comparing with a camera that is not as noisy as the E-1. In the > range of 10-120 second exposures, the better digitals > do just fine. In fact, I have some OM shots that are badly > fogged due to the lens and possibly the lens shade. > There is more to low light photography than just the sensor > versus film. But the E-1 had fundamental problems when > working in low light, from auto-focus issues to sensor noise. > Now that I'm older, I've noticed the OM camera has focus > issues also... but that is another matter. > > WayneS ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 13:36:53 2008 Received: (qmail 18921 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 12:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 12:36:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAABC3111; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:36:41 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:36:41 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B20FC35B4 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:36:41 +0100 (CET) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c28so2544359ika.1 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:36:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=o6RVaydI33CTM3D4j6g8BMwvFwlBK+gfOv2WL6mlBSI=; b=wEERft6+bEA2hO5RRo6jrn9B46fcdEuTj7NJSem9olN44+8Ln1RHFe8qQfWJbawAXW 5QofM2qgykgFDB5xSMcU4qE2GAL4BHDTM1bEZfd7FVCH4ofvYJTZ/RvbXycMsV9vA+JC O8kht70NbJpC/Uti/hYtePXiA4DRUgTeKKxRQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=rvsXI50oCxLUzVls3FzYDexPUmGw6IrJ4ceDuU5ER2gww273tYdfOuGqf8k9xSqtXS YFPXuOobIS6IRKBKCtv3UDtJOvLx7/bnhpUgKj+FpeH18qmyHAPZEAA2X2cxH2H8ktnW 6jjYF+4r97ni1fSv1MDhrKBcZ4HRAshONvr5M= Received: by 10.210.46.14 with SMTP id t14mr9050437ebt.39.1226407001273; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:36:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:36:41 +0000 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] E-3 plus... Still available. New extras! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 13:36:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49197c6588291234514069 Hi all. The great kit below is still available. OK. Since you get a free flash with new kits at the moment I will throw in an FL-50 in very nice condition with a couple of sets of batteries. This is NOT the FL-50R, so it doesn't do the remote line of sight stuff you can do with that one, but to compensate for this I will also throw in the off-camera TTL cable - a very nice surprisingly expensive accessory. You will have to pay shipping though - it's going to be quite a box full. Tom -------------------------------- E-3 body and 12-60 DZ Zoom, original kit box, software, instructions cables, charger (ie everything), plus three spare batteries. Condition - all great, 8129 shutter actuations. £1000. -------------------------------- ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 13:46:10 2008 Received: (qmail 5797 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 12:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 12:46:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12579C2B91; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:45:58 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:45:58 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD46C2F21 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:45:55 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 26264 invoked by uid 504); 11 Nov 2008 12:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@72.93.232.124) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 11 Nov 2008 12:45:52 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081111071707.0238b668@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:45:53 -0500 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: WayneS Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting In-Reply-To: <46F829E8A6374B0E937362133EE2B5B8@main> References: <20081111024225.0DB85C290B@ml.free.fr> <13068E7E-3396-46D8-A125-8B0AFDD6740B@Bytesmiths.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110222443.02312180@zuik.net> <46F829E8A6374B0E937362133EE2B5B8@main> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om3ti@zuik.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 13:46:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49197e92249141470116606 Perhaps you need to reset the 5D. I believe one of the optimizations in the 5D is to store hot pixel information for faster post processing. I had a number of hot pixels and had to reset the map. The procedure is to operate the Sensor Clean function with a lens attached and lens cap on. Then power cycle the camera. This seems to have eliminated the hot pixel problem I was experiencing with my 5D. This is an undocumented procedure, but seems to work. The E-1 simply did not perform well for me in low light, independent of ISO, auto focus in particular and no IS. And, it was significantly noisier than a 5D at ISO 800+. Plus the E-1 sensor gets hotter. So your experience may be different than mine. Olympus is known for making improvements to things over time, so your model may be different than the one I had. The E-1 hand grip is much better than any Can*n though. WayneS At 02:50 AM 11/11/2008, you wrote: >E-1 is not noiser than the others for long exposure as long as you keep the >ISO low. You have to make sure the noise reduction (cancellation?) feature >is enabled, it takes another dark exposure to cancel the random hot pixel >generated. > >Talking about hot pixel, 5D generates lots of hot pixels starting from >ISO1600, which is bad as they cannot be reduced by NR software (same as my >40D), I do hope the Mark II is better. Similar problem does not found in >E-3. > >C.H.Ling ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 14:17:49 2008 Received: (qmail 7134 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 13:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 13:17:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A105C2F0C; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:17:38 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:17:38 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [204.127.217.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BB6C2C8A for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:17:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20081111131736H0100o8ud6e>; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:17:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <3066314F4A0346DAB6F87652CEA771A2@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> <4918C8FF.9040602@gmail.com> <0219F0D816FA48D4BD2E06B636ACB8AB@jimnichols> <592F3653-922F-453D-9DA1-25F531B00946@people.net.au> Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:17:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 14:17:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491985fd203591993019900 I can try that next time with the Oly E-510 shooting RAW. :-) Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:18 AM Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period > > Shame it doesn't have a WB setting for 'Sodium Light'... :-) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 11/11/2008, at 11:04 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> Thanks for the complement. I just saw the scene and liked it, so I >> decided >> to try to preserve it. Maybe I can repeat it with the Oly this >> winter. >> However, the little Fuji F10 is hard to beat at times. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 14:18:34 2008 Received: (qmail 15370 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 13:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 13:18:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16A1C374E; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:18:22 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:18:22 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6E2C36EF for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:18:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50266 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Kzt8O-0000BD-Jb for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:18:20 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:18:16 -0500 Subject: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac Thread-Index: AclD//TTMzESja/zEd2iewAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <23283266.32451226386846309.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 14:18:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4919862a51381470116606 It was shot with a Hasselblad with 50mm CF-Distagon lens on Ilford FP-4 developed in Rodinal. The composition was the best that could be done; the car sat in an industrial area with many poles, fences, dump trucks, and other ugly things around and behind it. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 11/11/08 1:52 AM, "Dawid Loubser" wrote: > > Now Chris, tell us a bit more about the technical side of this very > nice image: > What equipment did you use, how was final output produced, etc? > > P.S. While I love the tonality and general "look of the image, I can't > help but think > that I would have framed it such that the lamppost behind was either > further from the > car, or perhaps not in the photograph at all. > > In many ways, the same goes for the tree growing out of the car's > trunk (or "boot" as we'd > call it here in South Africa). I'd have moved left to hide it behind > the car completely, > which would also have sorted out the lamppost. > > Anyway, it's your image, I was just wondering about your thoughts > around the composition? > > kind regards, > Dawid > > > On 11 Nov 2008, at 7:25 AM, Chris Crawford wrote: > >> Moose and Marc, >> >> Thanks for the info and the compliments. I'm gonna wait and see if >> anyone >> else chimes in on the date for the car, then I'll change my writeup >> on the >> photo. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 14:21:55 2008 Received: (qmail 17364 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 13:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 13:21:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89355C36FC; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:21:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:21:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24842C375B for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:21:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <7374230.32541226410179214.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-216-218.wbs.co.za ([41.208.216.218]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 631 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:29:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:21:31 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: dawidl@solms.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 14:21:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 491986f3125391073733319 Ah, I was thinking that this was a medium format shot... I have not tried rodinol yet for development, but the image has great contrast and density, I like it! On 11 Nov 2008, at 3:18 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > > It was shot with a Hasselblad with 50mm CF-Distagon lens on Ilford > FP-4 > developed in Rodinal. The composition was the best that could be > done; the > car sat in an industrial area with many poles, fences, dump trucks, > and > other ugly things around and behind it. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 14:44:22 2008 Received: (qmail 27097 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 13:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 13:44:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331ADC307F; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:44:10 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:44:10 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DF5C310D for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:44:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.79.254]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KA6007TQ8TK6546@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:44:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:44:17 -0500 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <49198C31.8040000@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9f07ac840710031021u59c026ccscbc818e5eb1ad9a0@mail.gmail.com> <36030B19-10D6-440A-863E-D010408BCAA7@millennics.com> <75EA3A1D-8000-458E-ACEE-648795DB313E@millennics.com> <3F73767B-3F84-4021-9D1D-47268D61C2AC@millennics.com> <008901c9401f$1a6a7cc0$e108a8c0@netwerk.8m.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20081106203558.022c8888@zuik.net> <491602A5.5000102@gmail.com> <49174154.90703@chucknorcutt.com> <49174D94.3070508@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081109213018.0111afd8@zuik.net> <49182812.1060504@chucknorcutt.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 14:44:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49198c36166094673671140 Very nice moody shot. I really like that. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jim Nichols wrote: > Chuck, > > I had similar thoughts last January. I looked out and saw light snow coming > down, lit by a street light. I shot through the window glass, taking > several shots because of passing traffic. This is the best shot, using my > Fuji Finepix F10, before I bought my Oly E-510. Some post processing in > Elements. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Snow+by+Street+Light+sm.jpg.html > > You can decide whether or not you like it. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:24 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting period > > >> I'm willing to allow the camera to do it's thing if I know how it's >> likely to behave but for that you didn't answer my question. Will I get >> a night scene after a second or two or will I get a 30 second exposure >> that looks close to a daylight shot? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 14:44:38 2008 Received: (qmail 32093 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 13:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 13:44:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A20C2C8A; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:44:27 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:44:27 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl39.gs02.gridserver.com (cl39.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B005C35E3 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:44:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50809 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl39.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KztXd-0007zh-Av for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:44:25 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:44:23 -0500 Subject: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac Thread-Index: AclEA5rU2U8hiq/2Ed2iewAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <7374230.32541226410179214.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 14:44:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49198c46215801499373980 I use medium format 90% of the time; for me 35mm is just for candid stuff and some portraits. Rodinal is my favorite developer. I have used it since I was 15. I develop almost everything in it. I've been shooting a lot of Fuji Acros developed in Rodinal lately because the film basically has no reciprocity failure. I shot inside an abandoned farmhouse last weekend with Acros in my Hasselblad and was doing 8-20 second exposures with no reciprocity compensation...those were the exposures my meter indicated (it was very dark). I like square format a lot. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 11/11/08 8:21 AM, "Dawid Loubser" wrote: > > Ah, I was thinking that this was a medium format shot... > I have not tried rodinol yet for development, but the image > has great contrast and density, I like it! > > > On 11 Nov 2008, at 3:18 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > >> >> It was shot with a Hasselblad with 50mm CF-Distagon lens on Ilford >> FP-4 >> developed in Rodinal. The composition was the best that could be >> done; the >> car sat in an industrial area with many poles, fences, dump trucks, >> and >> other ugly things around and behind it. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 15:24:05 2008 Received: (qmail 24859 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 14:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 14:24:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97031C37BB; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:23:52 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:23:52 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E3DC35E6 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:23:51 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 28355 invoked by uid 504); 11 Nov 2008 14:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Nov 2008 14:23:50 -0000 Message-ID: <49199576.3000506@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:23:50 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chris Crawford - blog-posted photo of old Cadillac References: <49190751.8060001@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49190751.8060001@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 15:24:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49199585249709117217770 The car is a 1956 model. Like a couple others here my first thought was that it was a 55 based on the "frenched" headlights (the lip extending over the top). I didn't think that appeared until 55 as that was characteristic of the design of all the 55 American cars I can think of. It was also on 56 cars but I thought that by 56 Cadillac had abandoned the little upward blip on the rear fender that holds the taillight. But I was wrong. The frenched headlights first appeared on Cadillacs in 54 (they were the style setter I guess) and the taillights were mounted on the same blips from 54-56 except for the Eldorado. The Eldorado had some stylish fins in 56 and set the style for others in 57. The differentiate this car from the similar Cadillac sedans produced from 54-56 you need to look at the grill (small mesh) and the shape and location of the turn signal lights (rectangular, under the front bumperettes). The 55 had a larger mesh in the grill and the rectangular turn signal lights were above the bumperettes. The 54 is more easily distinguised. It has an intermediate size mesh grill and the turn signal lights are above the bumperettes like the 55 but the lights are more inboard and are round vs. rectangular. Here they are: 1954 1955 1956 1956 it is. Chuck Norcutt montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > I've mentioned before that I subscribe to fellow OM list subscriber, > Chris Crawford's blog. His work always impresses me. However, this one I > thought particularly good: > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com/?p=144 > > Also, since he asks the question, "Does anyone know what year it is?", > well, I figure there's a fair chance a few people here might have some > input to offer. > > Cheers, > Marc > Noosa Heads, Oz > http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.1/1781 - Release Date: 11/11/2008 8:59 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Nov 11 15:53:01 2008 Received: (qmail 20655 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 2008 14:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 14:53:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F9CC2F84; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:52:50 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:52:50 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8AEC2ABD for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:52:49 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 14070 invoked by uid 504); 11 Nov 2008 14:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Nov 2008 14:52:49 -0000 Message-ID: <49199C40.3070508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:52:48 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: TOPE 36 call for entries, and extended shooting References: <20081111024225.0DB85C290B@ml.free.fr> <13068E7E-3396-46D8-A125-8B0AFDD6740B@Bytesmiths.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081110222443.02312180@zuik.net> <46F829E8A6374B0E937362133EE2B5B8@main> <7.0.1.0.2.20081111071707.0238b668@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081111071707.0238b668@zuik.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 11 15:53:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49199c4d315111946193717 Where did you learn this hot pixel remapping procedure? Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > Perhaps you need to reset the 5D. I believe one of the optimizations > in the 5D is to store hot pixel information for faster post processing. > I had a number of hot pixels and had to reset the map. The procedure > is to operate the Sensor Clean function with a lens attached and > lens cap on. Then power cycle the camera. This seems to have > eliminated the hot pixel problem I was experiencing with my 5D. > This is an undocumented procedure, but seems to work. > > The E-1 simply did not perform well for me in low light, independent > of ISO, auto focus in particular and no IS. And, it was significantly noisier > than a 5D at ISO 800+. Plus the E-1 sensor gets hotter. > So your experience may be different than mine. > Olympus is known for making improvements to things over time, > so your model may be different than the one I had. > > The E-1 hand grip is much better than any Can*n though. > > WayneS > > > At 02:50 AM 11/11/2008, you wrote: > >> E-1 is not noiser than the others for long exposure as long as you keep the >> ISO low. You have to make sure the noise reduction (cancellation?) feature >> is enabled, it takes another dark exposure to cancel the random hot pixel >> generated. >> >> Talking about hot pixel, 5D generates lots of hot pixels starting from >> ISO1600, which is bad as they cannot be reduced by NR software (same as my >> 40D), I do hope the Mark II is better. 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