From nilsf Mon Dec 1 00:40:47 2008 Received: (qmail 28544 invoked by uid 0); 30 Nov 2008 23:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 23:40:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13BB43045E for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E02440006 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:40:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F2434AC00B for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:40:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18E734AC004 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:40:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so2449093ugf.21 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.106.1 with SMTP id i1mr4261927mum.0.1228088436318; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:40:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:40:36 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081130080139.0111be10@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081130080139.0111be10@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 25d8d90481e07928 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] One Roll, One Lens, One Hour X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 00:40:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4933247f220471234514069 Wayne wrote: >Great project Ken. Good to see the results of putting a good camera to > work. I find street photography hard also, as I don't like invading peoples > space, but I find, more often than not, people are willing. I think if they > have > pink hair or a tatoo, that might be a clue they want to be seen. The camera > does make a difference in street photography. > I'm not one to put too much of an emphasis on "the equipment"... well, sometimes, yes I do... but in this case I think the equipment actually had a lot to do with it. The camera is very low-profile, is not black, and is retro enough to put people in a different mood. Nobody likes to be videotaped, and I've seen where digital cameras have put people on the defensive like they have when a video camera is pointed their way. There are many reasons why the venerable Leica M-series cameras are considered the ultimate street photography camera. I'm personally beginning to discover those reasons. I've been watching and rewatching "The Genius of Photography" and am totally fascinated watching Joel Meyerowitz. This guy is the "Tiger Woods" of photography--somebody who's skills and abilities are something to admire and attempt to attain. However, in reality, if Joel is the photographic equivalent of Tiger Woods, I'm just some guy whacking balls at the driving range. Every once in a while I can connect and hit the ball where I want, but that does not make me Tiger. > I also like the Domke straps, they are easy to wrap around the wrist. > This one mysteriously appeared with the camera. I'm not sure that was intended or not, but it surely makes the OM-3Ti one of the most comfortable cameras to carry. I bought the Tamron equivalent to the Domke and it seems better suited for the heavier DSLR than the svelte OM camera. I do notice how much softer and pliable the Domke strap is, which makes it wrap around the wrist much easier. A question about why the 50mm lens instead of the 35mm? The 35mm is usually my "go to" lens and I was going to use it, but at the last moment substituted with the macro because I wanted to stretch myself by using a lens I don't usually use and since it was starting to precipitate, the recessed lens elements of the 50mm meant I didn't need to use a lens-shade to keep the lens dry. The lens shade would have made the camera appear bigger, which is what I was trying not to do. The 35/2.8's front lens element is right out there for all the rain, sleet and snow to stick to. Years ago, I was photographing flowers in the rain when I ran into a professional photographer working the same spot. She (I've forgotten her name--this was 20 years ago) was using an OM system and had the 50 f3.5 macro lens. Knowing that this wasn't necessarily the best lens of the system, asked her about it and she noted how the lens stayed dry in the rain. A minor point, I know, as there are alternative ways to keep a lens dry, but this has stayed with me through the years and several years ago I acquired a 50 f3.5 macro and have experienced this advantage firsthand. The 50 f3.5 macro really is an unique lens in this regard. The layering you have in the barber shot, especially the unintended > part, is good. Thank you. There are certain pictures which are kinda growing on me. One ancient technique is to build layers. However, since I've been shooting digital, this is one compositional technique which has been almost completely forgot. The smaller viewfinders make layering so much harder to do. Also, the deeper DoF and more squarish format doesn't help matters any. Excuses, excuses... Back to the "equipment thing" again... The camera does influence what and how you shoot. This project was restricted to using the most modern retro-camera available. Manual focus, manual exposure, manual everything--even mechanical shutter. One common-as-dirt focal-length. I was forcing myself to see what the camera saw, not make the camera fit my own preconceived idea of how the picture should look. Sylvia Plachy, when asked why she uses so many different types of cameras on a shoot says that each camera sees the subject differently. In this particular instance, I allowed myself to see the world the way an OM-3Ti equipped with a 50mm f3.5 Macro lens with Fujicolor 100 print film sees it. Is the technology driving the composition? Not necessarily, but the technology is presenting specific compositional options which the photographer can choose to make use of. If a painter has just spatulas and no brushes, he will make a painting that is not like the one he'd make had he used a full set of brushes. Will I repeat this experiment? Possibly, but next time I'll change the rules. Different lens, different camera, different film--something different. Maybe restrict myself to shooting only one handed with slow shutter-speeds. The idea is to do something outside of the comfort-zone and outside of what I normally do. This mini-project not only met and exceeded my goals, but has opened up a tremendous discussion here on the list. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 01:07:32 2008 Received: (qmail 31358 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 00:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 00:07:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84834430440 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D998F440006 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:07:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DED34AC004 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:07:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1A134AC043 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:07:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from webmail-out.lnh.mail.rcn.net (webmail-out.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.109]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:07:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.92]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 30 Nov 2008 19:07:25 -0500 Received: (from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net [209.6.134.92]) by ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.5-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id BWL97604 (AUTH lmwoods@rcn.com); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:07:25 -0500 (EST) From: Lawrence Woods To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.8.5-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081130190725.BWL97604@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:07:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OM] E-1 replacement parts whatzit X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 01:07:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49332ac434871234514069 Hi - I got a Happy Birthday email from Olympus (USA) that offered me $20 off if I spent $40 or more at the Olympus store.* I'm thinking of getting some spare E-1 parts that I never think of buying pre-need, but which would be a pain to get if I lost the originals - things like a hot shoe cover, LCD monitor cover, flash terminal cap, etc. The parts page for the E-1 at emporium.olympus.com lists two items I don't recognize, and I'm asking folks what they are. 1) "E-1 Adapter Unit" $24.45 - I think this adapts the Varimagni Finder to the E-1 eyepiece. Is that correct? 2) "Hood Ring EZ 14-54" $9.24 - I'm stumped. Thanks. * For those wondering why I got this discount offer, or why they don't, the email said > You received this email because you provided your > birth date when you subscribed to Olympus email. ----- Larry Woods lmwoods@rcn.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 01:16:12 2008 Received: (qmail 13901 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 00:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 00:16:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6174A43044F for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7AF440006 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6E119F2EA for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:16:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F416519F2DB for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:16:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KB600BQ88QQBVH0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:16:02 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-83.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.83]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:34:35 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:16:03 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <165EA688E99C43CC88266AF0F17752FB@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8TABe7MkkYigtT/2dsb2JhbACBZ4gWwlYHgnY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,691,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="235279517" References: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 01:16:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49332ccc213191993019900 Hi Nathan ..... I trust that you are on an otherwise low cholesterol diet ! Cholesterol rates at about 45mg per 60g of tuna and that is for the light = variety ! jh ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Nathan Wajsman" To: "Leica Users Group" ; ; = "Olympus Camera Discussion" ; "Picture a Day = discussion group" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work A selection of images of what winter in Alicante looks like. There are some crazy tourists, a German se=F1orita, some great clouds and odds and ends from my neighbourhood: http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=3D169 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 01:38:13 2008 Received: (qmail 31820 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 00:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 00:38:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A52430462 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:38:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD6F440006 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C167019F38B for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:38:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198A119F386 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:38:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (pool-71-110-197-153.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.110.197.153]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id CVR28647 (AUTH siddiq@ucr.edu) for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:38:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2654C1BB-4FBA-4A6F-B33D-CA6746788D40@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <165EA688E99C43CC88266AF0F17752FB@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:38:05 -0800 References: <165EA688E99C43CC88266AF0F17752FB@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 01:38:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493331f5260357927319144 > > > A selection of images of what winter in Alicante looks like. There are > some crazy tourists, a German se=F1orita, some great clouds and odds and > ends from my neighbourhood: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=3D169 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan That first photo is brilliant--crisp, stark contrast of dark clouds = and the seemingly luminous lamps, the leading line railing. As always, = a sucker for B/W candids around the table. I should start posting from = the dinners friends put together--a mishmash of cultures and foods, = and always good conversation and eats. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 02:54:14 2008 Received: (qmail 10745 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 01:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 01:54:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EE4430420 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:54:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308E9440006 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0C134AC00B for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:54:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D574A34AC004 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:54:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 6 days 00:21:17 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-182.ctimail.com [61.93.57.182]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB11s1st030131 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:54:01 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mB11s0Zu007827 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:54:00 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:53:57 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] One Roll, One Lens, One Hour X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 02:54:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493343c680751823421471 For the Maxxum 7000i. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" > What minolta camera model is that number 7 screen from? X700? One of the > autofocus models? Thanks, > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Photography & Graphic Design > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. > > > > On 11/30/08 2:01 AM, "C.H.Ling" wrote: > >> Based on some old memories with negative/prints, the 50/2 was higher in >> contrast and sharpness, the 50/3.5 has better color among all 50mms and >> its >> resolution is very good. To me it is easy to focus as I like the short >> travel (focusing) angle compare with the standard 50mm, long travel >> distance >> is a problem like the Zuiko 35-105/3.5-4.5 which make it very difficult >> to >> guess the best focusing point. >> >> I didn't like the 50/2 for its high contrast and sold it, the current >> 50/2 I >> got was purchased from Gary Faulkenberry (thanks Gary!) last year as I >> heard >> so many good reviews about it on digital film. >> >> The old Minolta screen 7 can fit directly on the OM bodies but a bit >> short >> on the height, you have to make sure it stand at the center of the >> focusing >> screen holder of the camera to avoid seeing an edge on viewfinder. In my >> eyes Minolta Acute Matte is better than the OM 2-series screen, it is not >> as >> bright but much easier to focus. >> >> C.H.Ling >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 03:18:42 2008 Received: (qmail 29666 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 02:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 02:18:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA35A430448 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBDE440006 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4850534AC043 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:18:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1969034AC040 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:18:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so2310635wfd.26 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.238.4 with SMTP id l4mr4230386wfh.98.1228097914720; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (203-214-40-39.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.214.40.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm3224800wfc.2.2008.11.30.18.18.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:18:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4933496F.6030604@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:18:23 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <15C0087BC5A8436D9E9B509C199CAC78@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: <15C0087BC5A8436D9E9B509C199CAC78@meo.dec.com> Subject: Re: [OM] One Roll, One Lens, One Hour X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 03:18:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4933498237869117217770 Wayne Harridge wrote: > ... Geez Marc, even I did a spot of street shooting in Noosa, spent > about 45min trying to find somewhere to park Noosa Woods and walk back along the beach. Hey, you're going to be walking anyway. > then 45 min trying to decide where to eat. I'm happy to offer suggestions. :-) > I thought Noosa was pretty good as it has an interesting variety of > people, Yes, I guess so. I suppose I'm just not really a "people person". I remember that Byron Bay was certainly good for "interesting variety of people". > though it misses in the architecture department. I was inland a couple of weeks ago, spending the day driving around with my sister who was looking for a place to move to. Cooroy, Pomona and Cooran seemed to have significantly older and far more interesting architecture than "resort architecture" Noosa. I think they've been around a lot longer, around train stations on the main line north. They were very nice little "country" towns, so I'll have to check them out some more. > It's probably easier to do it in a town other than the one you live > in though. One of the novelties for me here is that you tend to be careful what you say as it seems everyone knows everyone else or, if you for some reason elect to get aggro at a pushy bugger on one of the somewhat common roundabouts, you might later find out they live three doors up from you, or are the roofer you're later calling up to fix a storm leak. It is a decent calmness conditioning factor after Sydney hyperactivity and relative anonymity. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 03:47:13 2008 Received: (qmail 24100 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 02:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 02:47:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FE6430461 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28700440006 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FDA19F5AF for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:47:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E5D19F5AC for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:47:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.cbb.2ce3f59b (37553) for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.152]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB032-5bc849335021154; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:47:00 -0500 Received: from Webmail-mg04 (webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.152]) by smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB017-5bc849335021154; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:46:57 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:46:57 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com (64.12.142.152) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:46:57 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB2176362A28D4-1628-16DB@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 03:47:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49335031146351823421471 Thank's for the nice tour. I like the main shot this week. A minor bit of edge of frame leaning issue with the 3rd pole. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 03:51:13 2008 Received: (qmail 1161 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 02:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 02:51:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49125430425 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:51:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3295C440006 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:51:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1E134AC040 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:51:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8808634AC004 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:51:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:51:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c54.3d39c4b6 (37038) for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB028-5c5a4933510e193; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:50:59 -0500 Received: from Webmail-mg04 (webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.152]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA038-5c5a4933510e193; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:50:54 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:50:54 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com (64.12.142.152) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:50:54 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB2176C35668B0-1628-16FF@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Quick multi-connector question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 03:51:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49335121196361585427447 Noticed a multiconnector recently posted as FS. Any difference with daisy-chaining T-flashes vs using the connector? Perhaps keeps the cords out of the way but wonder about any functional differences. Thanks, Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 04:29:30 2008 Received: (qmail 4984 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 03:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 03:29:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9774E43044F for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873ED440006 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:29:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E79119F610 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:29:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195F119F5F7 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:29:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB13TJBd006143 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:29:19 +1100 Message-Id: <200812010329.mB13TJBd006143@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:29:19 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:29:19 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] One Roll, One Lens, One Hour X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 04:29:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49335a1a255391869477228 > montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > > Wayne Harridge wrote: > > ... Geez Marc, even I did a spot of street shooting in Noosa, spent > > about 45min trying to find somewhere to park > > Noosa Woods and walk back along the beach. Hey, you're going to be > walking anyway. I'll keep that in mind ! > > > then 45 min trying to decide where to eat. > > I'm happy to offer suggestions. :-) Next time. > > I was inland a couple of weeks ago, spending the day driving around with > my sister who was looking for a place to move to. Cooroy, Pomona and > Cooran seemed to have significantly older and far more interesting > architecture than "resort architecture" Noosa. I think they've been > around a lot longer, around train stations on the main line north. They > were very nice little "country" towns, so I'll have to check them out > some more. Sounds like they'd be worth visiting in the future (if I ever get up that way again). ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 06:14:05 2008 Received: (qmail 13091 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 05:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 05:14:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF081430464 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50286440006 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287BA34AC043 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:13:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9137634AC00B for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:13:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50414 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L716a-0008So-L3 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:13:56 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:13:55 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] One Roll, One Lens, One Hour Thread-Index: AclTc5th2ckt6b9mEd2FXgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] One Roll, One Lens, One Hour X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 06:14:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4933729d272521585427447 Thanks! -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 11/30/08 8:53 PM, "C.H.Ling" wrote: > For the Maxxum 7000i. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Crawford" > >> What minolta camera model is that number 7 screen from? X700? One of the >> autofocus models? Thanks, >> >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Photography & Graphic Design >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >> >> http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. >> >> >> >> On 11/30/08 2:01 AM, "C.H.Ling" wrote: >> >>> Based on some old memories with negative/prints, the 50/2 was higher in >>> contrast and sharpness, the 50/3.5 has better color among all 50mms and >>> its >>> resolution is very good. To me it is easy to focus as I like the short >>> travel (focusing) angle compare with the standard 50mm, long travel >>> distance >>> is a problem like the Zuiko 35-105/3.5-4.5 which make it very difficult >>> to >>> guess the best focusing point. >>> >>> I didn't like the 50/2 for its high contrast and sold it, the current >>> 50/2 I >>> got was purchased from Gary Faulkenberry (thanks Gary!) last year as I >>> heard >>> so many good reviews about it on digital film. >>> >>> The old Minolta screen 7 can fit directly on the OM bodies but a bit >>> short >>> on the height, you have to make sure it stand at the center of the >>> focusing >>> screen holder of the camera to avoid seeing an edge on viewfinder. In my >>> eyes Minolta Acute Matte is better than the OM 2-series screen, it is not >>> as >>> bright but much easier to focus. >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 07:01:55 2008 Received: (qmail 31103 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 06:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 06:01:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9DB430491 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:01:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0DEB440006 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C370234AC048 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:01:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4BA34AC043 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:01:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from 4.red-83-44-108.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.44.108.4]:56253 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1L71qn-0005lW-5I (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:01:41 +0000 Message-Id: <3CDBDBE4-D4A5-4368-A26E-F04175357FD4@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <165EA688E99C43CC88266AF0F17752FB@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:01:40 +0100 References: <165EA688E99C43CC88266AF0F17752FB@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 07:01:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49337dd3298871234514069 It tastes good so it must be good for you. In general, we eat almost no red meat, so the occasional tuna or cow = steak (very occasional) is permissible. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 1, 2008, at 1:16 AM, John Hudson wrote: > > Hi Nathan ..... > > I trust that you are on an otherwise low cholesterol diet ! > > Cholesterol rates at about 45mg per 60g of tuna and that is for the = > light > variety ! > > jh > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan Wajsman" > To: "Leica Users Group" ; ; > "Olympus Camera Discussion" ; "Picture a = > Day > discussion group" > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 1:03 PM > Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work > > > A selection of images of what winter in Alicante looks like. There are > some crazy tourists, a German se=F1orita, some great clouds and odds and > ends from my neighbourhood: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=3D169 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 07:30:45 2008 Received: (qmail 13293 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 06:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 06:30:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F9F4304A3 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C44440006 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:30:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5183334AC004 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:30:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C3134AC043 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:30:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E85C96CE for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 06:49:45 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <4F37013B-C93E-4B44-BB3C-E4CEAD8A499B@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <165EA688E99C43CC88266AF0F17752FB@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 06:30:35 +0000 References: <165EA688E99C43CC88266AF0F17752FB@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 07:30:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4933849596241744846740 I hate to get into another cholesterol debate, John, but are you sure? Fish meat adds to your cholesterol? Chris On 1 Dec 2008, at 00:16, John Hudson wrote: > Hi Nathan ..... > > I trust that you are on an otherwise low cholesterol diet ! > > Cholesterol rates at about 45mg per 60g of tuna and that is for the > light > variety ! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 08:33:29 2008 Received: (qmail 29815 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 07:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 07:33:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078F31C40F56 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DCF440006 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87CD319FB21 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:33:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A4819FB15 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:33:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from 4.red-83-44-108.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.44.108.4]:56505 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1L73HQ-0002DQ-13 (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:33:16 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4F37013B-C93E-4B44-BB3C-E4CEAD8A499B@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:33:15 +0100 References: <165EA688E99C43CC88266AF0F17752FB@hudson> <4F37013B-C93E-4B44-BB3C-E4CEAD8A499B@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work NOW health freaks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 08:33:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49339349256817350615338 At least please change the subject line or better yet, start a new thread if you guys are gonna have a food fight. Nathan (ducking) Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 1, 2008, at 7:30 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > I hate to get into another cholesterol debate, John, but are you > sure? Fish meat adds to your cholesterol? > > Chris > > On 1 Dec 2008, at 00:16, John Hudson wrote: > >> Hi Nathan ..... >> >> I trust that you are on an otherwise low cholesterol diet ! >> >> Cholesterol rates at about 45mg per 60g of tuna and that is for the >> light >> variety ! > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 10:32:57 2008 Received: (qmail 27605 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 09:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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Mon, 1 Dec 2008 01:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7955C963D for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:51:56 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:32:45 +0000 References: <165EA688E99C43CC88266AF0F17752FB@hudson> <4F37013B-C93E-4B44-BB3C-E4CEAD8A499B@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work NOW health freaks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 10:32:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4933af49296821470116606 No need to duck, Nathan, tuna wouldn't travel far in food form ... :-) Chris On 1 Dec 2008, at 07:33, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > At least please change the subject line or better yet, start a new > thread if you guys are gonna have a food fight. > > Nathan (ducking) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 10:41:14 2008 Received: (qmail 24867 invoked by uid 0); 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Accepted (Neutral) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 01:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L75H5-000519-7A for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:41:03 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8CB2176C35668B0-1628-16FF@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:41:06 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8CB2176C35668B0-1628-16FF@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Thread-Index: AclTX6ygU4znPqrhQqG3c8Ou2xk1aQAODsZQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081130-0, 30/11/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8571/Wed Nov 5 11:25:50 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Subject: Re: [OM] Quick multi-connector question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 10:41:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4933b13a129581234514069 I believe you can daisy chain 3 multiconnectors, Mike, so I assume you can daisy chain at least three flashes, and maybe as many as 9. But how are you going to do it, since you would need 2 sockets on each flash - i.e the only way to do it is by using T32s each of them fitted with a T20 TTL adapter. Of course, you might be able to achieve the result by using PC cords, but them you would lose the benefit of the TTL control. Piers -----Original Message----- From: usher99@aol.com [mailto:usher99@aol.com] Sent: 01 December 2008 02:51 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] Quick multi-connector question Noticed a multiconnector recently posted as FS. Any difference with daisy-chaining T-flashes vs using the connector? Perhaps keeps the cords out of the way but wonder about any functional differences. Thanks, Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 10:50:35 2008 Received: (qmail 13549 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 09:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 09:50:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F70430229 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 01:50:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0715B440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 01:50:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E154019DF26 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 01:50:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6E919DF1F for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 01:50:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 01:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62FDEC96D5 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:09:38 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <23179687-8559-4C51-B83C-F8A3936AFC41@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:50:27 +0000 References: <8CB2176C35668B0-1628-16FF@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Quick multi-connector question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 10:50:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4933b36b176334673671140 The sage speaks! :-) It strikes me, Piers, that we hear from you only when advice is needed, on pretty well any subject as well. What a treasure ... Chris On 1 Dec 2008, at 09:41, Piers Hemy wrote: > I believe you can daisy chain 3 multiconnectors, Mike, so I assume > you can > daisy chain at least three flashes, and maybe as many as 9. But how > are you > going to do it, since you would need 2 sockets on each flash - i.e > the only > way to do it is by using T32s each of them fitted with a T20 TTL > adapter. > > Of course, you might be able to achieve the result by using PC > cords, but > them you would lose the benefit of the TTL control. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 11:11:39 2008 Received: (qmail 18218 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 10:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 10:11:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868CD43024A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E29440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:11:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA1C34AC00B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:11:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4699834AC004 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:11:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so1372686nfc.20 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.46.14 with SMTP id t14mr5366447ebt.39.1228126292714; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.110.18 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:11:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3be4f4a80812010211i3db4b26xfc6cfe69452f44f8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:11:32 +0100 From: "Bart Wientjes" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <8CB2176C35668B0-1628-16FF@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Quick multi-connector question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 11:11:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4933b85b71661234514069 Mounting a T32 on a Power Bounce Grip 2 would also make a second TTL connector available. Regards, Bart > going to do it, since you would need 2 sockets on each flash - i.e the only > way to do it is by using T32s each of them fitted with a T20 TTL adapter. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 11:38:43 2008 Received: (qmail 24673 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 10:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 10:38:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9865943016F for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFB5440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D7E34AC00B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:38:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877D734AC004 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:38:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L76Ak-0006ud-OH for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:38:35 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8CB2176C35668B0-1628-16FF@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> <23179687-8559-4C51-B83C-F8A3936AFC41@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:38:38 -0000 Message-ID: <0A415136F25C4B2B9DB8742E4F5312EA@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <23179687-8559-4C51-B83C-F8A3936AFC41@threeshoes.net> Thread-Index: AclTmkOKsi/8uuknQIqeaF47j+ZkbwABoiYg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081130-0, 30/11/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8571/Wed Nov 5 11:25:50 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Subject: Re: [OM] Quick multi-connector question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 11:38:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4933beb3483675314703 Kind words Chris - in this case, the "sage" speaks when he has "thyme", and it's in short supply :-( Piers -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] Sent: 01 December 2008 09:50 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Quick multi-connector question The sage speaks! :-) It strikes me, Piers, that we hear from you only when advice is needed, on pretty well any subject as well. What a treasure ... Chris On 1 Dec 2008, at 09:41, Piers Hemy wrote: > I believe you can daisy chain 3 multiconnectors, Mike, so I assume you > can daisy chain at least three flashes, and maybe as many as 9. But > how are you going to do it, since you would need 2 sockets on each > flash - i.e the only way to do it is by using T32s each of them fitted > with a T20 TTL adapter. > > Of course, you might be able to achieve the result by using PC cords, > but them you would lose the benefit of the TTL control. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 14:40:01 2008 Received: (qmail 24092 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 13:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 13:39:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277E8430452 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 05:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82D6440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 05:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B1A34AC046 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 05:39:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B8734AC043 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 05:39:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 16 days 17:04:09 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 05:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-19-166.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.19.166]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB1DdhM7008665 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:39:45 -0200 Message-ID: <4933F734.9080108@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:39:48 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB2176C35668B0-1628-16FF@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> <23179687-8559-4C51-B83C-F8A3936AFC41@threeshoes.net> <0A415136F25C4B2B9DB8742E4F5312EA@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <0A415136F25C4B2B9DB8742E4F5312EA@your9ya3hf92n3> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Quick multi-connector question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 14:40:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4933e93158031823421471 Anyway, I think Chris is right, and so are you. How sage could we all be if we had unlimited spare 'thyme' ( syn: 'time' ?) - wasn't poet Virgilio the one who said something similar ?. I could only quote him in Spanish, so it's no use. Talking about 'sage' and ' time? - I'd like to express a public thank you to Ken. Fernando. yes: a T 20 adapter is a cornerstone ... that's why I have 2 of them but never saw any use _ ;^) Maybe they will now, since I invested in a Nature Trekker AW II neverready product .... and have almost anything in there - even a Varimagni, courtesy of Richard Lovison during 2005 if memory serves. Piers Hemy wrote: > Kind words Chris - in this case, the "sage" speaks when he has "thyme", and > it's in short supply :-( > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] > Sent: 01 December 2008 09:50 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Quick multi-connector question > > The sage speaks! :-) > > It strikes me, Piers, that we hear from you only when advice is needed, on > pretty well any subject as well. > > What a treasure ... > > Chris > > On 1 Dec 2008, at 09:41, Piers Hemy wrote: > > >> I believe you can daisy chain 3 multiconnectors, Mike, so I assume you >> can daisy chain at least three flashes, and maybe as many as 9. But >> how are you going to do it, since you would need 2 sockets on each >> flash - i.e the only way to do it is by using T32s each of them fitted >> with a T20 TTL adapter. >> >> Of course, you might be able to achieve the result by using PC cords, >> but them you would lose the benefit of the TTL control. >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 16:04:18 2008 Received: (qmail 22996 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 15:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 15:04:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306B04301C5 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:04:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06D6440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F4A19E9E4 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:04:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4231319E9EF for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:04:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.187]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:04:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so364239gve.21 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:04:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.95.8 with SMTP id s8mr6321787fgb.79.1228143847636; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:04:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.92.3 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:04:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0812010704o6c599c1cw95c5d709075fd677@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:04:07 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4F37013B-C93E-4B44-BB3C-E4CEAD8A499B@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <165EA688E99C43CC88266AF0F17752FB@hudson> <4F37013B-C93E-4B44-BB3C-E4CEAD8A499B@threeshoes.net> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 16:04:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4933fcf2298825368819438 I'm with you Chris; I think that number may be a bit high. I would have thought about 25mg. Be that as it may, for most people dietary cholesterol is less important than saturated fat intake. Your liver synthesizes about 3000mg cholesterol per day (about 10x recommended dietary intake of cholesterol). For most people the liver production of cholesterol is down-regulated by dietary intake of cholesterol but some individuals lack this negative feedback control. Fish is certainly lower in cholesterol than mammalian red meat and very low in saturated fat. Cold water varieties (fish and mammals...but please don't eat the seals and whales) are also high in Omega-3 fats which are good for you. So Nathan, enjoy that tuna steak! Charlie On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:30 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > I hate to get into another cholesterol debate, John, but are you > sure? Fish meat adds to your cholesterol? > > Chris > > On 1 Dec 2008, at 00:16, John Hudson wrote: > > > Hi Nathan ..... > > > > I trust that you are on an otherwise low cholesterol diet ! > > > > Cholesterol rates at about 45mg per 60g of tuna and that is for the > > light > > variety ! > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 16:21:57 2008 Received: (qmail 16259 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 15:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 15:21:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24517430241 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:21:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112BA440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D2034AC004 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:21:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060E034AC04D for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:21:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 17 days 08:21:24 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:21:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3D72515A60 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:21:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 81Sn6vxSIPPG for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A942515A50 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:21:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <58D50BA0-FE14-41AB-AFBE-74598623770C@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:21:35 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: [OM] Food Fight! [was: IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 16:21:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49340115259601838542571 > From: Chris Barker > > I hate to get into another cholesterol debate, John, but are you > sure? Fish meat adds to your cholesterol? All meat contains cholesterol. No vegetable does. Of course, some meats have better cholesterol than others, and some = vegetables contain unhealthy lipids. :::: ECONOMIST: a person who, upon encountering an auditorium = containing 48,000 destitute, unemployed people and Bill Gates, says, = =93On average, I see a room full of millionaires!=94 :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org :::: -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 16:46:55 2008 Received: (qmail 27720 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 15:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 15:46:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8026430459 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:46:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B633440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:46:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F11419EB19 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:46:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58B119EB1B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:46:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out0.tiscali.nl (smtp-out0.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.175]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out0.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1L7Ayw-0005qq-6a for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:42 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:34 +0100 Message-ID: References: <58D50BA0-FE14-41AB-AFBE-74598623770C@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <58D50BA0-FE14-41AB-AFBE-74598623770C@Bytesmiths.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Food Fight! [was: IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 16:46:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493406ef12531035110158 I have learnt otherwise, Jan. Levels in plants are only one percent of those in animal call membranes, but nevertheless... Have a look here: http://bip.cnrs-mrs.fr/bip10/choles.htm Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:21:35 -0800, Jan Steinman wrote: >All meat contains cholesterol. No vegetable does. > >Of course, some meats have better cholesterol than others, and some >vegetables contain unhealthy lipids. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 16:48:13 2008 Received: (qmail 2027 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 15:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 15:48:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDD3430466 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42970440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:48:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2134E34AC004 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:48:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5903634AC00B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:48:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:48:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KB7006MPFW17OK0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:48:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:48:09 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <20081130190725.BWL97604@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <49340739.5050401@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <20081130190725.BWL97604@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] E-1 replacement parts whatzit X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 16:48:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4934073d78521499373980 Olympus not supplying parts numbers makes it difficult. I sell Hot Shoe cover ($2) , LCD cover ($8.95), flash terminal cap ($1.29, etc. www.zuiko.com/index_016.htm . I don't know what "hood ring" is, unless they are referring to the lens hood itself. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Lawrence Woods wrote: > Hi - > > I got a Happy Birthday email from Olympus (USA) that offered me $20 > off if I spent $40 or more at the Olympus store.* I'm thinking of > getting some spare E-1 parts that I never think of buying pre-need, > but which would be a pain to get if I lost the originals - things > like a hot shoe cover, LCD monitor cover, flash terminal cap, etc. > > The parts page for the E-1 at emporium.olympus.com lists two items I > don't recognize, and I'm asking folks what they are. > > 1) "E-1 Adapter Unit" $24.45 - I think this adapts the Varimagni > Finder to the E-1 eyepiece. Is that correct? > > 2) "Hood Ring EZ 14-54" $9.24 - I'm stumped. > > Thanks. > > * For those wondering why I got this discount offer, or why they > don't, the email said >> You received this email because you provided your birth date when >> you subscribed to Olympus email. > > > ----- Larry Woods lmwoods@rcn.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 16:49:00 2008 Received: (qmail 26894 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 15:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 15:48:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33323430476 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:48:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE88440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AD919EB34 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:48:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B57C19EB30 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:48:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:48:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so1379039ywa.80 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:48:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.220.18 with SMTP id x18mr4627356muq.38.1228146519289; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:48:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:48:39 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0812010704o6c599c1cw95c5d709075fd677@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <165EA688E99C43CC88266AF0F17752FB@hudson> <4F37013B-C93E-4B44-BB3C-E4CEAD8A499B@threeshoes.net> <14883a8b0812010704o6c599c1cw95c5d709075fd677@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: daa3245153e7cc75 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 16:49:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4934076c262011342116753 > > Fish is certainly lower in cholesterol than mammalian red meat and very > low > in saturated fat. Cold water varieties (fish and mammals...but please don't > eat the seals and whales) are also high in Omega-3 fats which are good for > you. So Nathan, enjoy that tuna steak! > Eskimos eat whale meat and blubber. You would too if you had to eat whale meat. ba-ba-boom AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 16:57:05 2008 Received: (qmail 752 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 15:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 15:57:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0DD43025A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA44B440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B902D34AC043 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:56:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE4134AC00B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:56:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.156]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so1382359ywa.80 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.2.14 with SMTP id e14mr4629042mui.94.1228147017534; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:56:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:56:57 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: e88d38c1a5702692 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] One Roll, One Lens, One Hour X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 16:57:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49340951199401591313764 There is one thing that floored me about this project. My biggest mistake I constantly make is crooked horizons. For some odd reason, I nailed it on this roll of film. Since this roll was taken with the OM-3Ti, I'll just blame the bad horizons on all the other cameras. I can see the advertisements now: "Do you suffer from crooked horizons? Is your world tilted? Olympus has the solution for you--The OM-3Ti. This camera cures your sideways pictures and solves the rest of life's problems." Had they only known about this and marketed it before they discontinued the OM series. They could have charged obscene amounts for this camera. Oh, wait--they already did. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 17:03:26 2008 Received: (qmail 15338 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 16:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 16:03:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F59C43026C for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:03:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B75D440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:03:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4AD19EB7A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:03:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A165A19EB88 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:03:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:03:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L7BEx-0007rl-H7 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:03:15 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <165EA688E99C43CC88266AF0F17752FB@hudson><4F37013B-C93E-4B44-BB3C-E4CEAD8A499B@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:03:18 -0000 Message-ID: <9F43887DAA904804AA26C6D154635DC7@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclThxx2pj2zv/aRTi+mdrEqxgq+nQARdTPQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081130-0, 30/11/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work NOW health freaks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 17:03:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49340ace40851023412894 Ever inquisitive, I took a nose around, and John would seem to be correct, per USDA, quoted here: http://www.dietaryfiberfood.com/cholesterol-shrimp.php which puts "Tuna skipjack, fresh, cooked, dry heat" at 60mg/100g, somewhat better than "Shrimp, mixed species, canned" at 251mg/100g! However, context is all, as is made palin by the neighbouring page at: http://www.dietaryfiberfood.com/cholesterol-high-avoid.php "Spinach souffle" at 117mg/100g "Egg, whole, cooked, scrambled" at 352mg/100g and so forth... "Chicken, liver, all classes, cooked, simmered" 561.2 "Egg, yolk, raw, fresh" 1234.9 Choose your poison? I think I'll just have a milk shake "Shake, fast food, vanilla" 23.1mg/100g Piers -----Original Message----- On Dec 1, 2008, at 7:30 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > I hate to get into another cholesterol debate, John, but are you sure? > Fish meat adds to your cholesterol? > > Chris > > On 1 Dec 2008, at 00:16, John Hudson wrote: > >> Hi Nathan ..... >> >> I trust that you are on an otherwise low cholesterol diet ! >> >> Cholesterol rates at about 45mg per 60g of tuna and that is for the >> light variety ! > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 17:10:28 2008 Received: (qmail 32682 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 16:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 16:10:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B961430289 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:10:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B565440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:10:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6256C19EBB1 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:10:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8ED419EB93 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:10:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:10:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 3598D285X1 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:10:20 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:10:20 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9F43887DAA904804AA26C6D154635DC7@your9ya3hf92n3> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work NOW health freaks Thread-Index: AclThxx2pj2zv/aRTi+mdrEqxgq+nQARdTPQAACNALA= From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2008 16:10:20.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EE3D6E0:01C953CF] Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work NOW health freaks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 17:10:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49340c7460382046811720 Piers was explaining: However, context is all, as is made palin ..... 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(VPS 081130-0, 30/11/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work NOW health freaks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 17:32:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493411a6219549347015869 No, not Sarah, more likely Michael (one of The Four Yorkshiremen, vide supra, op. cit., et cetera) A typo. But honest? Who, me? Piers -----Original Message----- From: Timpe, Jim [mailto:Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com] Sent: 01 December 2008 16:10 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work NOW health freaks Piers was explaining: However, context is all, as is made palin ..... Is that an honest typo? Or is Sarah on your mind? --snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 19:02:09 2008 Received: (qmail 21314 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 18:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 18:02:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4940430466 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F440440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:02:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A3F19EE98 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:02:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7FD19EE99 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:02:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30534C9725 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:21:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <0A415136F25C4B2B9DB8742E4F5312EA@your9ya3hf92n3> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:01:55 +0000 References: <8CB2176C35668B0-1628-16FF@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> <23179687-8559-4C51-B83C-F8A3936AFC41@threeshoes.net> <0A415136F25C4B2B9DB8742E4F5312EA@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Quick multi-connector question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 19:02:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493426a1258951993019900 Too much, Piers, that was just too much! :-) Chris On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:38, Piers Hemy wrote: > Kind words Chris - in this case, the "sage" speaks when he has > "thyme", and > it's in short supply :-( -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 20:01:09 2008 Received: (qmail 8123 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 19:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 19:01:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283214304B2 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214F0440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0443734AC05C for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:01:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBD434AC040 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:00:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:00:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip06.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.84]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KB7002HIOTGHVH0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:00:52 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-83.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.83]) by ip06.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:23:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:00:49 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <6618007B6CDC4A15BAEAA0B54ACB7C4B@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmsTAMTCM0kYigtT/2dsb2JhbACBZ4gWx08HgnY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,697,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="449491976" References: <9F43887DAA904804AA26C6D154635DC7@your9ya3hf92n3> <10B8807717AE4901A1357ACEF164E807@your9ya3hf92n3> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work NOW health freaks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 20:01:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49343475287031234514069 Actually, I thought that Piers might have had Michael Pollan in mind, the author of the Omnivore's Dilemma and more latterly In Defense of Food. Pollan had an excellent piece in the New York Times last October. Here is the URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/magazine/12policy-t.html jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work NOW health freaks > No, not Sarah, more likely Michael (one of The Four Yorkshiremen, vide > supra, op. cit., et cetera) > > A typo. But honest? Who, me? > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Timpe, Jim [mailto:Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com] > Sent: 01 December 2008 16:10 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work NOW health freaks > > Piers was explaining: > However, context is all, as is made palin ..... > > > Is that an honest typo? Or is Sarah on your mind? > > --snip > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 20:12:33 2008 Received: (qmail 11071 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 19:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 19:12:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AAA4304A0 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:12:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E782440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A5A19F05A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:12:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5BE19F056 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:12:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:12:23 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB1JCKdN026734 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:12:22 GMT Message-ID: <95367714C42D4EA699001E5AD11F8933@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:12:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Test Email 12/01/08 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 20:12:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9990 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4934372188222046811720 Test Email using new subscription. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 20:19:26 2008 Received: (qmail 28471 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 19:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 19:19:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F4C430490 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:19:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A812F440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB6119F09D for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:19:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9790C19F0A5 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:19:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 16 days 22:43:35 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-14-97.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.14.97]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB1JJ7OT004079 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:19:08 -0200 Message-ID: <493446C0.2050107@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:19:12 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB2176C35668B0-1628-16FF@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> <23179687-8559-4C51-B83C-F8A3936AFC41@threeshoes.net> <0A415136F25C4B2B9DB8742E4F5312EA@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Quick multi-connector question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 20:19:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493438be160991869477228 British humour is worldwide famous :-) It even amazes British themselves .... An old patient of mine is from an Oxford family, but born in Montevideo. I mean, I've known her for years - decades now, and very frequently I = can't guess if she's pulling my leg. She even plays the role of being my analyst, and I realize so when it's = too late !! Fernando. Chris Barker wrote: > Too much, Piers, that was just too much! :-) > > Chris > > On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:38, Piers Hemy wrote: > > = >> Kind words Chris - in this case, the "sage" speaks when he has = >> "thyme", and >> it's in short supply :-( >> = > > = -- = Dr. Fernando Gonz=E1lez Gentile M.D. Av.L.P.Ponce 1526B - 11600 Montevideo, Uruguay. Phone: +598 2 7084858 Fax: +598 2 7087396 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 20:20:46 2008 Received: (qmail 4784 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 19:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 19:20:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8147F4304AC for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE729440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E7D34AC040 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:20:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBCB34AC004 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:20:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.66]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 77894 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2008 19:20:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pagCEGUVM1m.9XsmJTQ2nOFsuSz6rgLrZvid0jKXO_zgsXbIUNlQ..RWGwQXRm4CJlQ56l37gGt1gdksTtNpgq_L1XjXUgIKvDF9sv8KueC.5JKVwoRoBHmMJdrvpS7k_4KuV9qmKlApSCyqdJ7RBL9eJgN6hDczucKfucImbPt1Wgt.XbwkUi_8ghjZjd7gt.iID_HJ2JN0X6s- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:20:40 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:20:40 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <95367714C42D4EA699001E5AD11F8933@jimnichols> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <212239.69399.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Test Email 12/01/08 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 20:20:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4934390e230509117217770 Came through! --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Jim Nichols wrote: > From: Jim Nichols > Subject: [OM] Test Email 12/01/08 > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 2:12 PM > Test Email using new subscription. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 20:27:47 2008 Received: (qmail 2420 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 19:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 19:27:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766914304C7 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:27:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B75440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD4134AC004 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:27:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8747634AC00B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:27:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:27:41 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB1JRbdM011782 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:27:40 GMT Message-ID: <19048C6A904A4588B0155AF6EEC40BB9@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <212239.69399.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:27:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Test Email 12/01/08 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 20:27:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49343ab2105031993019900 Thanks. I've been disconnected for more than a week. ;-( Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "AS" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Test Email 12/01/08 > Came through! > > > --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> From: Jim Nichols >> Subject: [OM] Test Email 12/01/08 >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 2:12 PM >> Test Email using new subscription. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: >> http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: >> http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 22:49:02 2008 Received: (qmail 17994 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 21:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 21:49:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313DD4304B4 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:48:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7B4440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B81F34AC04F for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:48:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD7334AC040 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:48:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:48:51 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB1LmmVW012426 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:48:50 GMT Message-ID: <20D8463FC92D415F848B5E79AE660549@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:48:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 22:49:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9990 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49345bce57691529615919 After re-establishing my subscription to the list, I have seen nothing for over two hours. Is there really anyone out there, or have I been blocked again? Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 22:52:34 2008 Received: (qmail 27707 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 21:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 21:52:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A95430468 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2AA440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1178934AC046 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B7134AC00B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [72.174.4.128] (HELO [127.0.0.1]) by fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTP id 140768921 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:52:27 -0700 Message-ID: <49345C9E.9080608@bresnan.net> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:52:30 -0700 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20D8463FC92D415F848B5E79AE660549@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <20D8463FC92D415F848B5E79AE660549@jimnichols> Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 22:52:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49345ca272841585427447 I see you. :-) The list has been pretty quiet today. Candace Jim Nichols wrote: > After re-establishing my subscription to the list, I have seen nothing for over two hours. Is there really anyone out there, or have I been blocked again? > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 22:55:07 2008 Received: (qmail 16740 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 21:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 21:55:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8B343049C for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F33C440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6796B34AC046 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:54:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7453A34AC040 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:54:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out0.tiscali.nl (smtp-out0.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out0.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1L7GjI-0000Np-0v for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:54:56 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:54:47 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20D8463FC92D415F848B5E79AE660549@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <20D8463FC92D415F848B5E79AE660549@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 22:55:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49345d3b188542070262475 Same here in Europe, Jim. Don't despair! Frank van Lindert Utrecht - Holland Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:48:52 -0600, "Jim Nichols" wrote: >After re-establishing my subscription to the list, I have seen nothing for over two hours. Is there really anyone out there, or have I been blocked again? > >Jim Nichols >Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 22:55:58 2008 Received: (qmail 28940 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 21:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 21:55:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88CAB43047C for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0212440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9767519F826 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:55:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C9519F82B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:55:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:55:50 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB1LtlTA014577 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:55:49 GMT Message-ID: <5B4AD64DC0854C2B8DE5F0786F7ED60E@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <20D8463FC92D415F848B5E79AE660549@jimnichols> <49345C9E.9080608@bresnan.net> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:55:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 22:55:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49345d6e163401585427447 Thanks. That is reassuring. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Candace Lemarr" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours >I see you. :-) > The list has been pretty quiet today. > Candace > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 22:57:01 2008 Received: (qmail 1906 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 21:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 21:57:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D024304CA for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07554440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:56:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9B434AC00B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:56:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5095934AC004 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:56:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:56:54 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB1Luqsn024497 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:56:53 GMT Message-ID: <51F82F0EE225435D9D1E0C30BB75D0E8@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <20D8463FC92D415F848B5E79AE660549@jimnichols> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:56:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 22:57:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49345dad314311993019900 Thanks, Frank. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank van Lindert" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours > Same here in Europe, Jim. > Don't despair! > > Frank van Lindert > Utrecht - Holland > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 22:57:35 2008 Received: (qmail 15299 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 21:57:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 21:57:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14794304AD for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:57:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09F0440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C475E34AC048 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:57:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1C634AC040 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:57:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:57:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.91]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081201215723.MLEE10695.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:57:23 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhQBAMfrM0lGGIhl/2dsb2JhbAAI0V+CfQ Received: from bas4-toronto46-1176012901.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([70.24.136.101]) by simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 01 Dec 2008 17:07:24 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:57:18 -0500 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours Thread-Index: AclT/8cqBZ8xxL/zEd2DjQAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <20D8463FC92D415F848B5E79AE660549@jimnichols> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 22:57:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49345dcf170991823421471 > ... I have seen nothing [on the list] for over two hours. Now that's the sign of a *real* substance dependency. Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 23:00:55 2008 Received: (qmail 21269 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 22:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 22:00:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6D64304D4 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB95440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:00:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9557B19F832 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:00:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789AC19F83C for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:00:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id C00B150D4J for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:00:48 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:00:48 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20D8463FC92D415F848B5E79AE660549@jimnichols> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours Thread-Index: AclT/qL+DD/ZroqsQ9aNbvCy6YS41AAAY5pA From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2008 22:00:48.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[44743750:01C95400] Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 23:00:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49345e9789763675314703 It's just unusually quite in general. I wonder if a bunch of stateside folks are on long turkey day breaks? I'm at the salt mines. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Nichols [mailto:jhnichols@lighttube.net] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:49 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours After re-establishing my subscription to the list, I have seen nothing for over two hours. Is there really anyone out there, or have I been blocked again? Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. 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I changed ISPs about 10 days ago and have had real difficulty getting back on the two lists that I "depend" on for information and entertainment. This one seems ok now. That leaves me one more to work on. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Collins" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours >> ... I have seen nothing [on the list] for over two hours. > > Now that's the sign of a *real* substance dependency. > > Michael > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 23:03:10 2008 Received: (qmail 9763 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 22:03:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 22:03:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDCA4304C3 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3663440023 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:03:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70A434AC00B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:03:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D00334AC04D for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:03:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:03:03 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB1M30Rv016903 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:03:02 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:03:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 23:03:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49345f1e56841585427447 Don't know, Jim. At least I woke a few folks up. ;-) Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours > It's just unusually quite in general. I wonder if a bunch of stateside > folks are on long turkey day breaks? > I'm at the salt mines. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Nichols [mailto:jhnichols@lighttube.net] > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:49 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours > > > After re-establishing my subscription to the list, I have seen nothing > for over two hours. Is there really anyone out there, or have I been > blocked again? > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. > If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or > re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, > please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone > (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any > attachments. 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I subscribed last night at 8pm and I've already got 30 messages from it ...! Godfrey www.gdgphoto.com www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets On Dec 1, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Candace Lemarr wrote: > I see you. :-) > The list has been pretty quiet today. > Candace > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> After re-establishing my subscription to the list, I have seen >> nothing for over two hours. Is there really anyone out there, or >> have I been blocked again? >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 23:07:09 2008 Received: (qmail 12634 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 22:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 22:07:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D26430485 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE16440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:07:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770D119F855 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:07:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF51D19F84F for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:07:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster1.bresnan.net [69.145.248.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [72.174.4.128] (HELO [127.0.0.1]) by fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTP id 805169532 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:07:03 -0700 Message-ID: <4934600A.5010609@bresnan.net> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:07:06 -0700 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20D8463FC92D415F848B5E79AE660549@jimnichols> <49345C9E.9080608@bresnan.net> <4FF0C985-392A-4D20-BE52-431DBF9F8268@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <4FF0C985-392A-4D20-BE52-431DBF9F8268@mac.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 23:07:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4934600d319071869477228 Yes, and that's pretty quiet for this list. :-) Candace Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > I dunno about that. I subscribed last night at 8pm and I've already > got 30 messages from it ...! > > Godfrey > www.gdgphoto.com > www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 23:17:44 2008 Received: (qmail 22610 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 22:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 22:17:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C161C4304D4 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:17:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8F5440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D402B34AC040 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:17:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37AA34AC00B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:17:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 633E88E36P for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:17:37 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:17:37 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4934600A.5010609@bresnan.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours Thread-Index: AclUASpBUqsRov0DRW27aen0Qsbz4wAAViQQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2008 22:17:37.0196 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DDD3EC0:01C95402] Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 23:17:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49346288196618512572685 I've come back to work from a long weekend where I've forgotten to unsubscribe to find an in box with 400 plus new messages in years past. I don't forget to unsubscribe any more. -----Original Message----- From: Candace Lemarr [mailto:CandaceRocks@bresnan.net] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:07 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours Yes, and that's pretty quiet for this list. :-) Candace Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > I dunno about that. I subscribed last night at 8pm and I've already > got 30 messages from it ...! > > Godfrey > www.gdgphoto.com > www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. 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In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment to this email. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 1 23:56:16 2008 Received: (qmail 26576 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 22:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 22:56:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AE94304FF for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86EB440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE9B34AC048 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:56:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D13434AC00B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:56:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KB70068LZPD7NH2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:56:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:56:09 -0500 From: John Hermanson To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Message-id: <49346B89.5060906@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 1 23:56:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49346b90105631869477228 Got you here! John On 12/1/2008 4:48:52 PM, Jim Nichols (jhnichols@lighttube.net) wrote: > After re-establishing my subscription to the list, I have seen nothing for > over two hours. Is there really anyone out there, or have I been blocked > again? > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 00:58:15 2008 Received: (qmail 27549 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2008 23:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 23:58:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FBB430545 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869E9440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC1334AC004 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:58:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BFB34AC040 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:58:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d19.327b719c (37034) for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.148]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB024-5c6149347a046e; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:58:02 -0500 Received: from webmail-de14 (webmail-de14.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.35]) by smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB017-5c6149347a046e; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:57:56 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:57:56 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.35) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:57:56 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB2227C4046D90-808-F19@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Quick multi-connector question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 00:58:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49347a17319625368819438 Yes, Thank you Piers. I like T cords better than PC cords anyway--have used my T20 connector for a non-t flash. It seemed to work fine. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 05:11:54 2008 Received: (qmail 26322 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 04:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 04:11:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA73430522 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:11:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F125440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D0819FE0A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:11:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0A719FE04 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:11:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1L7Mbx-0000c4-00 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:11:46 -0500 Message-ID: <4934B581.5000806@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:11:45 -0800 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081201-0, 12/01/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] FS: OM-1 with Morgan Sparks black lizard skin cover and silvernose 50 1.8 lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 05:11:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4934b58a239902046811720 Due to lack of use I am finally letting og of the last of my Olympus gear. I have some bits and pieces that will go up in another post. In this post I am offering my Silver OM-1MD. Body is in excellent shape with only a few very minor marks. There are a couple of very small dings in the pentaprism, a few scuffs and a small ding on the base plate, and a bit of 'polish' by the strap lugs. The hinge has some paint missing, but the black paint on the rest of the body is in very good shape, including the back! Body features beautiful Morgan Sparks lizard skin replacement leather. This is a very nice looking camera! Body has had a battery upgrade and CLA by John Hermanson of Camtech a couple of years ago so everything is in great shape and works well.. Focusing screen is a split image/matte (1-3) with custom crop lines for 8x10 framing. Lens is a classic silver nose 50 1.8. Glass is scratch free and clear, but with some dust in the lens. Aperture is snappy and works well. Also included is a full set of caps, front lens cap, rear lens cap, and body cap. No hot shoe included. I am selling the camera and lens for $100.00 plus shipping, which is just a bit less than the CLA cost. You can get a reliable OM body without the hassle of sending it out for CLA I have sold a number of items on the list over the years, and also sell on eBay as spokeandsprocket if you want to check my feedback. I accept PayuPal, Credit Cards, or check/MO from list members. Everything is offered with full return privilege. You don't like it, send it back and I will refund your money. Jim Couch -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 05:12:05 2008 Received: (qmail 27189 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 04:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 04:12:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7D4430514 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:12:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02C0440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:12:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F8734AC040 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:12:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AAC834AC00B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:12:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.65]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:11:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1L7Mc7-0004mb-00 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:11:56 -0500 Message-ID: <4934B58D.4020900@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:11:57 -0800 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081201-0, 12/01/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] FS: Orginal XA camera W/A11 flash & hard case X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 05:12:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4934b595296458512572685 XA with A11 flash and hard case. Not real pretty cosmetically (but not real ugly either), but works great. Great pocket/climbing/hiking camera. $75.00 Prices do not include shipping. I have sold a number of items on the list over the years, and also sell on eBay as spokeandsprocket if you want to check my feedback. I accept PayPal, Credit Cards, or check/MO from list members. Everything is offered with full return privilege. You don't like it, send it back and I will refund your money. Jim Couch -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 05:12:13 2008 Received: (qmail 13620 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 04:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 04:12:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB354305C0 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7429440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:12:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A510E19FE0A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:12:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2913E19FE04 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:12:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.69]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:12:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1L7McF-0004vP-00 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:12:03 -0500 Message-ID: <4934B594.2080805@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:12:04 -0800 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081201-0, 12/01/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] FS OM bits & peices X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 05:12:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4934b59d126551257536491 Here are a bunch of small bits & pieces for the OM system: METAL slip on lens hood for 50 1.4, 50, 1.8, and.or 35 2.8 lens. I have not seen many of these. Nice black and chrome in very good (but not perfect) shape. A bit of minor paint wear, but no dents, ect. Slip on with set screw like the rubber hood, but metal. $15.00 Eyecup-1 In good shape, but gain, not perfect. No cracks or ships, rubber in good shape. $15.00 Focusing screen 1-10 Checker/Grid Matte in good shape with case, tool & brush. Great for architecture, landscape, or composition aid. $ 30.00 Prices do not include shipping. I have sold a number of items on the list over the years, and also sell on eBay as spokeandsprocket if you want to check my feedback. I accept PayPal, Credit Cards, or check/MO from list members. Everything is offered with full return privilege. You don't like it, send it back and I will refund your money. Jim Couch -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 05:33:19 2008 Received: (qmail 29906 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 04:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 04:33:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9A043058E for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2607440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B149019FE40 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:33:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C002619FE3B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:33:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826CFB067E for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:33:05 +1100 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9hStS3Scacfx for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:33:02 +1100 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927D7B0648 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:33:02 +1100 (EST) Received: from 67.111.52.130.ptr.us.xo.net ([67.111.52.130] helo=[10.10.1.32]) by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L7Mwe-00054T-Dp for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:33:08 +1100 Message-Id: <307A9CC2-F61C-4DD7-82C7-ED9E23807089@wildskies.net> From: Brent To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4934B581.5000806@spokeandsprocket.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:32:54 -0800 References: <4934B581.5000806@spokeandsprocket.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - wildskies.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [OM] OT Image : Sunnyvale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 05:33:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4934ba8f156751073733319 Hi http://phogra.com/g/v/sunnyvale_morning.html Am in Sunnyvale (Silicon Valley), at the moment on a business trip. Walked to work this morning at around 6am... was very foggy, and I never knew California could get so cold! Took this one with a little Canon Ixus 40, resting it on the footpath. I thought it turned out pretty well seeing as this camera has no manual controls other than "flash off". Brent -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 06:02:46 2008 Received: (qmail 7739 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 05:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 05:02:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F72843059E for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA43440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331C134AC00B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:02:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3277F34AC004 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:02:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k57so2163569rnd.13 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.12.19 with SMTP id p19mr4773849wfi.147.1228194159389; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:02:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (203-214-40-39.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.214.40.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm8080083wfg.50.2008.12.01.21.02.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:02:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4934C16A.4090906@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:02:34 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4934B581.5000806@spokeandsprocket.com> <307A9CC2-F61C-4DD7-82C7-ED9E23807089@wildskies.net> In-Reply-To: <307A9CC2-F61C-4DD7-82C7-ED9E23807089@wildskies.net> Subject: Re: [OM] OT Image : Sunnyvale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 06:02:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4934c17679149117217770 Brent wrote: > Hi > > http://phogra.com/g/v/sunnyvale_morning.html > ... > I thought it turned out pretty well seeing as this camera has no > manual controls other than "flash off". I think the camera probably did work "pretty well", but I think the photographer did bloody brilliant. I love it, Brent. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 07:52:54 2008 Received: (qmail 14180 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 06:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:52:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE874305BC for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:52:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB82440006 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6DC19FF7A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:52:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A5919FF71 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:52:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BBFC9725 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:11:55 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <53088F67-D84D-427E-9AC3-CCF3A616B63E@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <307A9CC2-F61C-4DD7-82C7-ED9E23807089@wildskies.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:52:42 +0000 References: <4934B581.5000806@spokeandsprocket.com> <307A9CC2-F61C-4DD7-82C7-ED9E23807089@wildskies.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT Image : Sunnyvale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 07:52:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4934db46205283675314703 Pretty neat shot, Brent. Chris On 2 Dec 2008, at 04:32, Brent wrote: > http://phogra.com/g/v/sunnyvale_morning.html > > Am in Sunnyvale (Silicon Valley), at the moment on a business trip. > Walked to work this morning at around 6am... was very foggy, and I > never knew California could get so cold! > > Took this one with a little Canon Ixus 40, resting it on the footpath. > > I thought it turned out pretty well seeing as this camera has no > manual controls other than "flash off". -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 10:05:03 2008 Received: (qmail 8147 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 09:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 09:05:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD1E4301E9 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C349F440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:04:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B281D34AC004 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:04:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5BA34AC00B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:04:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.249]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so3308879rvb.50 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.197.21 with SMTP id z21mr5677549rvp.75.1228208695370; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.204.2 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:04:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:04:55 +0100 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4934C16A.4090906@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4934B581.5000806@spokeandsprocket.com> <307A9CC2-F61C-4DD7-82C7-ED9E23807089@wildskies.net> <4934C16A.4090906@gmail.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT Image : Sunnyvale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 10:05:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4934fa3f12621702588592 > > > > I think the camera probably did work "pretty well", but I think the > photographer did bloody brilliant. I love it, Brent. > I can only second that statement! very well done with good colour and a fine composition :) Iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 10:47:20 2008 Received: (qmail 8438 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 09:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 09:47:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5A24301E0 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC54440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FED34AC043 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:47:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483E734AC040 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:47:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so2961226wfd.26 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.174.8 with SMTP id w8mr4845072wfe.225.1228211232420; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.40.5 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:47:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812020147p2f8528c5k984743e9783e0441@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:47:12 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <307A9CC2-F61C-4DD7-82C7-ED9E23807089@wildskies.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4934B581.5000806@spokeandsprocket.com> <307A9CC2-F61C-4DD7-82C7-ED9E23807089@wildskies.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e610101bcca3ad99 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT Image : Sunnyvale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 10:47:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935042818942070262475 Very phoggy! On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Brent wrote: > Hi > > http://*phog*ra.com/g/v/sunnyvale_morning.html > > Am in Sunnyvale (Silicon Valley), at the moment on a business trip. > Walked to work this morning at around 6am... was very foggy, and I > never knew California could get so cold! > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 11:20:29 2008 Received: (qmail 14861 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 10:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 10:20:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC3543014C for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:20:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCDA440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:20:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7001234AC043 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:20:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA39234AC004 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:20:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.174]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so2972610wfd.26 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.42.6 with SMTP id u6mr4860909wfj.121.1228213222372; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.40.5 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:20:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812020220o3dcf4327he3cd951ee3c151bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:20:22 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <6618007B6CDC4A15BAEAA0B54ACB7C4B@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9F43887DAA904804AA26C6D154635DC7@your9ya3hf92n3> <10B8807717AE4901A1357ACEF164E807@your9ya3hf92n3> <6618007B6CDC4A15BAEAA0B54ACB7C4B@hudson> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 15f2d3139dcd5468 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work NOW health freaks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 11:20:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49350bed3511234514069 I'm allergic to pollan... On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:00 PM, John Hudson wrote: > Actually, I thought that Piers might have had Michael Pollan in mind -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 11:33:15 2008 Received: (qmail 25084 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 10:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 10:33:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D95743013A for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C932C440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF43534AC043 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:33:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CF534AC00B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:33:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from extsmtp4.localnet.com (extsmtp4.localnet.com [207.251.201.56]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20527 invoked by uid 1011); 2 Dec 2008 10:33:07 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by bombastic (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 0.160613 secs); 02 Dec 2008 10:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp4.localnet.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 10:33:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 8212 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 10:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-15-155.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.15.155]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp5.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Dec 2008 10:33:12 -0000 From: Doug To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:36:03 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <4934B581.5000806@spokeandsprocket.com> <4934C16A.4090906@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812020536.03431.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT Image : Sunnyvale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 11:33:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49350eeb669347015869 On Tuesday, December 02, 2008 04:04, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > > I think the camera probably did work "pretty well", but I think the > > photographer did bloody brilliant. I love it, Brent. > > I can only second that statement! very well done with good colour and a > fine composition :) > > Iwert I totally agree. The camera is only important if it stops you from producing what the mind's "eye" sees. Well done -Doug -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 13:40:56 2008 Received: (qmail 31389 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 12:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:40:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4CE430548 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:40:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B84440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD78219E2E7 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:40:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F5719E303 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:40:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f13.google.com (mail-gx0-f13.google.com [209.85.217.13]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so3429372gxk.14 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.120.14 with SMTP id s14mr6512064agc.36.1228221646885; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:40:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.104.5 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:40:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <58c776e60812020440g4b275fecwe777cbe3447b0d59@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:40:46 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Olli_H=E4nninen?=" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] MF1 adapter (OM to 4/3) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 13:40:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49352cd8129631869477228 I am considering of buying a used MF1 adapter because I found one used for a low price. (I have one but having an additional piece is always nice in what comes to olympus stuff :-) The seller wrote me that the adapter has no text "Olympus MF1" on it but that it looks just the same as MF1 and he bought it used in a same case as MF1. He thought it might be an older version of MF1. I started to seriously doubt whether it really is an olympus manufactured adapter. Do you happen to know whether MF1's have been produced with no Olympus-text on it? Best regards, Olli -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 13:46:36 2008 Received: (qmail 9629 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 12:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:46:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA637430520 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:46:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0584440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:46:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C35634AC040 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:46:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B9434AC00B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:46:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:46:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3583 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2008 12:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2008 12:41:39 -0000 Message-ID: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:41:39 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list Subject: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 13:46:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49352e2c305161585427447 A friend just purchased an old Ricoh FF-90 film P&S camera. He wants to use NiMH batteries but the user's manual (which can be found here) states: ------------------------------------------------------------ * Do not use Nickel Cadmium batteries. "Use of rechargeable Ni-cad batteries is not recommended. Due to higher internal amperage, the electronics in your Ricoh camera/flash unit may be damaged. If damage due to use of Ni-cad batteries occurs, the warranty will be considered null and void" ------------------------------------------------------------ Can someone explain why this is? I can understand problems with NiCad or NiMH possibly not delivering enough voltage for proper operation but I don't understand just the *capability* of the batteries to deliver a higher current as injurious. In fact, my limited knowledge of electronics (Ohm's law: I=V/R) would say that the fixed resistance of the camera's circuits would cause a lower current draw with lower voltage batteries. Without understanding why I suspect that the flash is the problem since the flash, during recharge, is that only thing that normally draws a high current. If that's the case could NiMH be used if the flash is turned off? Thanks, Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 14:05:02 2008 Received: (qmail 15774 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 13:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:05:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C044302B9 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:05:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB5C440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B126034AC00B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:04:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF8134AC004 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:04:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 03 Dec 2008 00:04:49 +1100 Message-ID: <100-6b323549-24626.012@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:04:43 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 14:05:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935327e52391946193717 Hi Chuck, > * Do not use Nickel Cadmium batteries. "Use of rechargeable Ni-cad > batteries is not recommended. Due to higher internal amperage, the > electronics in your Ricoh camera/flash unit may be damaged. If damage > due to use of Ni-cad batteries occurs, the warranty will be considered > null and void" The reason is due to the chemical difference in the different type of battery material. Ni-Cad batteries have a lower internal resistance due to the materials used in that type of batteries construction. >From the electrical view, Ni-Cad batteries have a lower internal resistance which means that they are capable of delivering a much higher current into the same external resistive load in comparision to Carbon/Zinc batteries, this is for low resistive loads such as small motors and devices like earlier model flash's etc. In relation to the flash you will probably find that the thyristor or other device the flash utilises doesnt have sufficient heat release, or the electronics were simply not designed to have the higher current that NiCad batteries can deliver run through there circuits. It's also the same reason that you shouldnt use NiCad's in female vibrators, NiCad's overheat the motor leading to open circuit coils as there is nowere for the heat build up to escape due to the enclosed nature of the motor, there for it is recommended to use Zinc/Carbon batteries as there higher internal resistance will limit the current drawn from the battery, and will also limit the speed so the motor's carbon contacts dont fracture. More than you wanted to know hey :-) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Those who are without sine shall be transformed... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 14:07:36 2008 Received: (qmail 16411 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 13:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:07:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A686A43019B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD0A440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EF119E3CE for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:07:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1AF19E38D for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:07:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out0.tiscali.nl (smtp-out0.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.175]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out0.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1L7UyO-0000Hz-CK for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:07:28 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:07:17 +0100 Message-ID: References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 14:07:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935331834671823421471 If the camera or flash is designed in such a way that the internal resistance of the battery also limits the current, rather than the impedance of the device alone, then a battery with lower internal resistance could indeed lead to a larger current flowing through the device. IMHO this is to be considered as bad design, but it was often used in the past. I think that this is the reason for the warning (or rather disclaimer, I would call it). It is impossible to say if using NiMH cells could indeed damage the camera or not. Frank van Lindert Utrecht nL. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:41:39 -0500, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >A friend just purchased an old Ricoh FF-90 film P&S camera. He wants to >use NiMH batteries but the user's manual (which can be found here) > states: >------------------------------------------------------------ >* Do not use Nickel Cadmium batteries. "Use of rechargeable Ni-cad >batteries is not recommended. Due to higher internal amperage, the >electronics in your Ricoh camera/flash unit may be damaged. If damage >due to use of Ni-cad batteries occurs, the warranty will be considered >null and void" >------------------------------------------------------------ > >Can someone explain why this is? I can understand problems with NiCad >or NiMH possibly not delivering enough voltage for proper operation but >I don't understand just the *capability* of the batteries to deliver a >higher current as injurious. In fact, my limited knowledge of >electronics (Ohm's law: I=V/R) would say that the fixed resistance of >the camera's circuits would cause a lower current draw with lower >voltage batteries. Without understanding why I suspect that the flash >is the problem since the flash, during recharge, is that only thing that >normally draws a high current. If that's the case could NiMH be used if >the flash is turned off? > >Thanks, >Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 14:13:05 2008 Received: (qmail 7438 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 13:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:13:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D804043021C for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7E4440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E533A19E3FA for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:12:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C6119E3E1 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:12:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31332 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2008 13:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2008 13:12:54 -0000 Message-ID: <49353456.5080803@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:12:54 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4934B581.5000806@spokeandsprocket.com> <307A9CC2-F61C-4DD7-82C7-ED9E23807089@wildskies.net> In-Reply-To: <307A9CC2-F61C-4DD7-82C7-ED9E23807089@wildskies.net> Subject: Re: [OM] OT Image : Sunnyvale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 14:13:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49353461280501470116606 A very nice shot. Well done. I'd have never thought of just setting the camera on the ground. Chuck Norcutt Brent wrote: > Hi > > http://phogra.com/g/v/sunnyvale_morning.html > > Am in Sunnyvale (Silicon Valley), at the moment on a business trip. > Walked to work this morning at around 6am... was very foggy, and I > never knew California could get so cold! > > Took this one with a little Canon Ixus 40, resting it on the footpath. > > I thought it turned out pretty well seeing as this camera has no > manual controls other than "flash off". > > Brent -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 14:18:13 2008 Received: (qmail 13328 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 13:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:18:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39D0430293 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A40440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:18:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C3D19E442 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:18:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.817 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.817 required=7 tests=[MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.819, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5063919E43B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:18:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:18:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 03 Dec 2008 00:18:03 +1100 Message-ID: <100-89353549-14900.016@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:18:01 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <100-6b323549-24626.012@comkal.net> References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> <100-6b323549-24626.012@comkal.net> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 14:18:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49353595314271869477228 PS, It should also be noted that as the current drawn from a NiCad is higher that you would get from a Carbon/Zinc battery then the NiCad battery will also heat up more, depending on the amount of additional heat this could lead to battery damage and chemical leakage from the battery which will of cause lead to damage to the device the batteries are in. Not to mention that a hot NiCad battery can also damage the device with the heat generated. LiO batteries are worse, hmmm, laptops anyone :-) You will note that Olympus flashs have recommendations on the discharge/charge cycles per minute that you should not exceed if using NiCad and more recent battery types. Especially if using modern batteries as these need time to cool down, not just the electronics in the flashs. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ And lets not forget our Lawyer friends who think Ethics is a place in England ~s~ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 14:19:32 2008 Received: (qmail 21202 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 13:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:19:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEFA43021C for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2507F440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145B334AC046 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:19:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA82134AC040 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:19:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:19:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1L7V9v-0007jg-D9 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:19:23 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:19:14 +0100 Message-ID: <48daj49ufqb336bbnd9nbqt8bhjm19k24h@4ax.com> References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> <100-6b323549-24626.012@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: <100-6b323549-24626.012@comkal.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 14:19:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493535e4108881838542571 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:04:43 +1100 (EDT), "Ian Manners" wrote: >........ > >It's also the same reason that you shouldnt use NiCad's >in female vibrators, NiCad's overheat the motor leading >to open circuit coils as there is nowere for the heat build >up to escape due to the enclosed nature of the motor >........ >More than you wanted to know hey :-) Female? I have always thought that these lady's devices were to meant to be as male as possible.... Frank. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 14:20:09 2008 Received: (qmail 18085 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 13:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:20:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B78243024C for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1358D440023 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0507C34AC040 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:20:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.817 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.817 required=7 tests=[MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.819, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB5C34AC004 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:20:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 03 Dec 2008 00:20:01 +1100 Message-ID: <100-00363549-12844.017@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:20:00 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <100-89353549-14900.016@comkal.net> References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> <100-6b323549-24626.012@comkal.net> <100-6b323549-24626.012@comkal.net> <100-89353549-14900.016@comkal.net> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 14:20:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49353609252461234514069 Sigh, its to late at night here....wrote: > It should also be noted that as the current drawn from a NiCad Should be "It should also be noted that IF the current drawn from a NiCad" in a given appliance/device. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Eradicate IE Bugs! Find and fix those pesky bugs with these alerts and solutions in the Help Channel:- Get Mozilla. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 14:25:37 2008 Received: (qmail 15163 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 13:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:25:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB37D4301E9 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85364440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7156334AC00B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:25:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA59A34AC004 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:25:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KB9002RP3Y0Y9G3@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:25:13 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:25:21 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <49340739.5050401@verizon.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <49353741.4070900@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <20081130190725.BWL97604@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> <49340739.5050401@verizon.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] E-1 replacement parts whatzit X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 14:25:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49353751285331023412894 Sorry, I thought that question was sent to me directly. If Olympus is gonna give you a 50% discount on a $40 order, go for it. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html John Hermanson wrote: > Olympus not supplying parts numbers makes it difficult. I sell Hot Shoe > cover ($2) , LCD cover ($8.95), flash terminal cap ($1.29, etc. > www.zuiko.com/index_016.htm . I don't know what "hood ring" is, unless > they are referring to the lens hood itself. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Lawrence Woods wrote: >> Hi - >> >> I got a Happy Birthday email from Olympus (USA) that offered me $20 >> off if I spent $40 or more at the Olympus store.* I'm thinking of >> getting some spare E-1 parts that I never think of buying pre-need, >> but which would be a pain to get if I lost the originals - things >> like a hot shoe cover, LCD monitor cover, flash terminal cap, etc. >> >> The parts page for the E-1 at emporium.olympus.com lists two items I >> don't recognize, and I'm asking folks what they are. >> >> 1) "E-1 Adapter Unit" $24.45 - I think this adapts the Varimagni >> Finder to the E-1 eyepiece. Is that correct? >> >> 2) "Hood Ring EZ 14-54" $9.24 - I'm stumped. >> >> Thanks. >> >> * For those wondering why I got this discount offer, or why they >> don't, the email said >>> You received this email because you provided your birth date when >>> you subscribed to Olympus email. >> >> ----- Larry Woods lmwoods@rcn.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 14:25:48 2008 Received: (qmail 6063 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 13:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:25:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E2D43055F for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:25:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4772440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:25:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C64634AC043 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:25:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9493234AC00B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:25:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:25:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6492 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2008 13:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2008 13:25:40 -0000 Message-ID: <49353754.7000601@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:25:40 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 14:25:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935375c93662046811720 Thanks. It never occurred to me that the internal battery resistance cold be part of the design assumptions. Chuck Norcutt Frank van Lindert wrote: > If the camera or flash is designed in such a way that the internal > resistance of the battery also limits the current, rather than the > impedance of the device alone, then a battery with lower internal > resistance could indeed lead to a larger current flowing through the > device. IMHO this is to be considered as bad design, but it was often > used in the past. > > I think that this is the reason for the warning (or rather disclaimer, > I would call it). It is impossible to say if using NiMH cells could > indeed damage the camera or not. > > Frank van Lindert > Utrecht nL. > > > > Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:41:39 -0500, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > >> A friend just purchased an old Ricoh FF-90 film P&S camera. He wants to >> use NiMH batteries but the user's manual (which can be found here) >> states: >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> * Do not use Nickel Cadmium batteries. "Use of rechargeable Ni-cad >> batteries is not recommended. Due to higher internal amperage, the >> electronics in your Ricoh camera/flash unit may be damaged. If damage >> due to use of Ni-cad batteries occurs, the warranty will be considered >> null and void" >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Can someone explain why this is? I can understand problems with NiCad >> or NiMH possibly not delivering enough voltage for proper operation but >> I don't understand just the *capability* of the batteries to deliver a >> higher current as injurious. In fact, my limited knowledge of >> electronics (Ohm's law: I=V/R) would say that the fixed resistance of >> the camera's circuits would cause a lower current draw with lower >> voltage batteries. Without understanding why I suspect that the flash >> is the problem since the flash, during recharge, is that only thing that >> normally draws a high current. If that's the case could NiMH be used if >> the flash is turned off? >> >> Thanks, >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1823 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 7:59 PM >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 14:26:55 2008 Received: (qmail 4334 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 13:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:26:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E164302BF for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C0D440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361D619E49F for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:26:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.817 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.817 required=7 tests=[MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.819, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3292419E476 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:26:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:26:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 03 Dec 2008 00:26:47 +1100 Message-ID: <100-97373549-14901.018@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:26:47 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <48daj49ufqb336bbnd9nbqt8bhjm19k24h@4ax.com> References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> <100-6b323549-24626.012@comkal.net> <100-6b323549-24626.012@comkal.net> <48daj49ufqb336bbnd9nbqt8bhjm19k24h@4ax.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 14:26:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935379f262462070262475 Hi Frank, > >It's also the same reason that you shouldnt use NiCad's > >in female vibrators, NiCad's overheat the motor leading and "female" should be "female's", its late, my english and grammar always suffer at this time of night ! > I have always thought that these lady's devices were to meant to be as > male as possible.... Some that I've seen dont like like anything like "male" to me :o) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ "Chihuahua. There's a waste of dog food. Looks like a dog that is still far away." --Billiam Coronell -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 14:27:17 2008 Received: (qmail 3967 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 13:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:27:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E484301E9 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689D7440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5807C34AC040 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:27:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B8734AC004 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:27:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so3210371ugf.21 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.241.13 with SMTP id o13mr692897ugh.31.1228224429082; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k28sm11207777ugd.42.2008.12.02.05.27.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:27:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493537AB.7030507@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:27:07 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Anyone else tried infrared with E3 - and some other pictures X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 14:27:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493537b5326858512572685 I tried taking some infrared shots with my newly delivered cokin filter, I found I had to add approx 5 to 6 stops and I got this http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/6716762_L89RL#428904056_zf9aF which looks nothing like the nice pictures I have seen on the web then I saw this - no it wasn't raining and I don't know why this was happening as it was fine without the filter and there didn't appear to be any dust on it. http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/6716762_L89RL#428904514_2rqJv and while you are looking there are some other pictures taken last month for your enjoyment and appraisal such as http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/6716762_L89RL#428896562_9ozjz-A-LB Iechyd Da Ian -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 14:28:04 2008 Received: (qmail 5640 invoked by uid 0); 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Yes, more than I needed to know. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ian Manners wrote: > Hi Chuck, > >> * Do not use Nickel Cadmium batteries. "Use of rechargeable Ni-cad >> batteries is not recommended. Due to higher internal amperage, the >> electronics in your Ricoh camera/flash unit may be damaged. If damage >> due to use of Ni-cad batteries occurs, the warranty will be considered >> null and void" > > The reason is due to the chemical difference in the different > type of battery material. > > Ni-Cad batteries have a lower internal resistance due to the > materials used in that type of batteries construction. > >>From the electrical view, Ni-Cad batteries have a lower internal > resistance which means that they are capable of delivering > a much higher current into the same external resistive load > in comparision to Carbon/Zinc batteries, this is for low > resistive loads such as small motors and devices like > earlier model flash's etc. In relation to the flash you will > probably find that the thyristor or other device the flash > utilises doesnt have sufficient heat release, or the electronics > were simply not designed to have the higher current that > NiCad batteries can deliver run through there circuits. > > It's also the same reason that you shouldnt use NiCad's > in female vibrators, NiCad's overheat the motor leading > to open circuit coils as there is nowere for the heat build > up to escape due to the enclosed nature of the motor, > there for it is recommended to use Zinc/Carbon batteries > as there higher internal resistance will limit the current > drawn from the battery, and will also limit the speed so > the motor's carbon contacts dont fracture. > > More than you wanted to know hey :-) > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.comkal.net/ > > Those who are without sine shall be transformed... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1823 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 7:59 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 14:32:43 2008 Received: (qmail 12420 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 13:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:32:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B63D430227 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:32:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E13440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1FB34AC049 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:32:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBE334AC043 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:32:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 19 days 18:40:10 ago / 193.252.22.249 is listed in dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net) Received: from smtp-4.orange.nl (smtp-4.orange.nl [193.252.22.249]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:32:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6303.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EE55C7000084 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:32:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from wwinf6301 (wwinf6301 [10.232.3.28]) by mwinf6303.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E780B7000081 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:32:32 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081202133232948.E780B7000081@mwinf6303.online.nl From: wiliam Wagenaar To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <24015216.557661228224752941.JavaMail.www@wwinf6301> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [145.50.39.11] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:32:32 +0100 (CET) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 14:32:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493538fb42701702588592 ROTFLOL! > Female? > I have always thought that these lady's devices were to meant to be as > male as possible.... > > Frank. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 14:59:34 2008 Received: (qmail 29986 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 13:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:59:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B01E430552 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:59:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4313B440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CF919E624 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:59:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF9719E5C3 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:59:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so1749114nfc.20 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.63.19 with SMTP id l19mr7269112fga.15.1228226365057; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.92.3 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:59:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0812020559je399d1cl42b4267b3d58f67f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:59:25 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <307A9CC2-F61C-4DD7-82C7-ED9E23807089@wildskies.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4934B581.5000806@spokeandsprocket.com> <307A9CC2-F61C-4DD7-82C7-ED9E23807089@wildskies.net> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT Image : Sunnyvale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 14:59:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49353f46263021234514069 Very nice Brent. I'm impressed that the camera was able to freeze the bicyclist in such low lighting. There is very little motion blur. What was the shutter speed? Charlie On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Brent wrote: > Hi > > http://phogra.com/g/v/sunnyvale_morning.html > > Am in Sunnyvale (Silicon Valley), at the moment on a business trip. > Walked to work this morning at around 6am... was very foggy, and I > never knew California could get so cold! > > Took this one with a little Canon Ixus 40, resting it on the footpath. > > I thought it turned out pretty well seeing as this camera has no > manual controls other than "flash off". > > Brent > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 15:09:09 2008 Received: (qmail 22533 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 14:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 14:09:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871DF430535 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:09:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4AB440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:09:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FE719E66E for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:09:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353F519E66F for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:09:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:09:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31497 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2008 14:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2008 14:08:58 -0000 Message-ID: <49354179.4080708@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:08:57 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> <493537AB.7030507@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493537AB.7030507@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Anyone else tried infrared with E3 - and some other pictures X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 15:09:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49354185263641234514069 As to the light spots in infrared photo #2 the only thing I can think of is reflections off the back side of the filter. Is it multicoated? As to last months collection, yes, he's cute and the other photos aren't bad either. :-) Chuck Norcutt swisspace wrote: > I tried taking some infrared shots with my newly delivered cokin filter, > I found I had to add approx 5 to 6 stops and I got this > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/6716762_L89RL#428904056_zf9aF > > which looks nothing like the nice pictures I have seen on the web > > then I saw this - no it wasn't raining and I don't know why this was > happening as it was fine without the filter and there didn't appear to > be any dust on it. > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/6716762_L89RL#428904514_2rqJv > > and while you are looking > > there are some other pictures taken last month for your enjoyment and > appraisal such as > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/6716762_L89RL#428896562_9ozjz-A-LB > > Iechyd Da Ian > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 15:11:07 2008 Received: (qmail 31094 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 14:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 14:11:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396124302A8 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC581440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10DE34AC00B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:11:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE9F34AC004 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:11:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KB900AQX61UBS04@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:10:42 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:10:50 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <58c776e60812020440g4b275fecwe777cbe3447b0d59@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <493541EA.1010004@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <58c776e60812020440g4b275fecwe777cbe3447b0d59@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] MF1 adapter (OM to 4/3) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 15:11:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493541fb50061702588592 It's a knock-off. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Olli H=E4nninen wrote: > I am considering of buying a used MF1 adapter because I found one used fo= r a > low price. (I have one but having an additional piece is always nice in w= hat > comes to olympus stuff :-) > = > The seller wrote me that the adapter has no text "Olympus MF1" on it but > that it looks just the same as MF1 and he bought it used in a same case as > MF1. He thought it might be an older version of MF1. > = > I started to seriously doubt whether it really is an olympus manufactured > adapter. Do you happen to know whether MF1's have been produced with no > Olympus-text on it? > = > Best regards, > = > Olli -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 15:36:26 2008 Received: (qmail 27293 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 14:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 14:36:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878BE4301EE for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A45E440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:36:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7976B34AC004 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:36:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D8434AC040 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:36:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L7WMJ-0005SO-9N for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:36:15 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <58c776e60812020440g4b275fecwe777cbe3447b0d59@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:36:16 -0000 Message-ID: <26E783C14FBC4DB18F6F99C8CDABC106@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclUezolZUkbCSHRR9exrloj7XrHGQADxMPA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <58c776e60812020440g4b275fecwe777cbe3447b0d59@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081202-0, 02/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] MF1 adapter (OM to 4/3) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 15:36:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493547ea17711823421471 Olli, here's a few hints to help you work out what you are being offered: The genuine MF-1 does not have any engravings, the words are just screen-printed on, as far as I can tell - but there should be a flat area for the words to appear just beside the red dots on the body-flange and the red dash on the lens-flange. Opposite that, on the bottom face of the MF-1, there is another flat area with the words "Made in Japan". The genuine MF-1 has stainless steel (at least, it looks like ss) lens and body flanges - all the imitators I have seen have only one flange in what looks like chrome-plated brass. The genuine MF-1 has three pairs of dimples on the lens-flange which are used to hold sprin steel under each bayonet lug on the flange - just like on an OM body. I have never seen the dimples on the imitators - but they don't need them, because they don't have the steel springs either! Hope you can work out which it is. Piers = -----Original Message----- From: Olli H=E4nninen [mailto:olli.orava@gmail.com] = Sent: 02 December 2008 12:41 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] MF1 adapter (OM to 4/3) I am considering of buying a used MF1 adapter because I found one used for a low price. (I have one but having an additional piece is always nice in what comes to olympus stuff :-) The seller wrote me that the adapter has no text "Olympus MF1" on it but that it looks just the same as MF1 and he bought it used in a same case as MF1. He thought it might be an older version of MF1. I started to seriously doubt whether it really is an olympus manufactured adapter. Do you happen to know whether MF1's have been produced with no Olympus-text on it? Best regards, Olli -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 16:00:13 2008 Received: (qmail 21439 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 15:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 15:00:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144CC4301CF for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426AF440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB50534AC051 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:00:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A0334AC04D for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:00:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so3245413ugf.21 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.241.13 with SMTP id o13mr758385ugh.31.1228230003516; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x37sm6619139ugc.50.2008.12.02.07.00.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:00:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49354D72.2030004@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:00:02 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> <493537AB.7030507@gmail.com> <49354179.4080708@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49354179.4080708@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Anyone else tried infrared with E3 - and some other pictures X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 16:00:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49354d7d83161234514069 Hi Chuck I don't think so its a standard cokin 007 filter, but maybe it is internal reflections within the lens. and thanks for looking meanwhile I added a couple more, this one shows Sami Klaus and his hench men, I think it makes quite a frightening appearance for kids, I am used to my father christmas being at the north pole and not seeing him. http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/6716762_L89RL#428932630_Mswiu-A-LB P.S. Does anyone have any tips on IR photography with the E-3 clearly my first effort is rubbish. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > As to the light spots in infrared photo #2 the only thing I can think of > is reflections off the back side of the filter. Is it multicoated? > > As to last months collection, yes, he's cute and the other photos aren't > bad either. :-) > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 16:01:52 2008 Received: (qmail 7152 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 15:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 15:01:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777E843029A for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:01:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37AF440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A835619E8A5 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:01:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5997019E88D for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:01:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.247]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:01:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so3456323rvb.50 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:01:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.128.3 with SMTP id a3mr5786584rvd.232.1228230105080; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:01:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.204.2 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:01:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:01:44 +0100 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493541EA.1010004@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <58c776e60812020440g4b275fecwe777cbe3447b0d59@mail.gmail.com> <493541EA.1010004@verizon.net> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] MF1 adapter (OM to 4/3) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 16:01:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49354de016921234514069 If I remember correctly the first batch which was given out for free was without any markings,so it does not have to be a knock off! Iwert 2008/12/2 John Hermanson > It's a knock-off. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Olli H=E4nninen wrote: > > I am considering of buying a used MF1 adapter because I found one used > for a > > low price. (I have one but having an additional piece is always nice in > what > > comes to olympus stuff :-) > > > > The seller wrote me that the adapter has no text "Olympus MF1" on it but > > that it looks just the same as MF1 and he bought it used in a same case > as > > MF1. He thought it might be an older version of MF1. > > > > I started to seriously doubt whether it really is an olympus manufactur= ed > > adapter. Do you happen to know whether MF1's have been produced with no > > Olympus-text on it? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Olli > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 16:07:29 2008 Received: (qmail 22312 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 15:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 15:07:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6096D430558 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFDC440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:07:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3622034AC04F for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:07:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E40934AC051 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:07:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:07:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31265 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2008 15:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2008 15:07:20 -0000 Message-ID: <49354F28.1080503@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:07:20 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list Subject: [OM] For a buyer in Oz X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 16:07:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49354f31255501702588592 Here's a Zuiko 35-70 f/4 hiding under an ebay auction heading for an Olympus Trip F4 P&S. Probably in excellent condition. Very low bid so far. I'd buy it myself if I didn't have to pay for shipping from Oz. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 16:23:01 2008 Received: (qmail 4336 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 15:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 15:23:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DE84302B9 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:22:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D29440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D036434AC004 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:22:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B2634AC040 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:22:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.148]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 21so1217620eyc.26 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.57.9 with SMTP id f9mr7316252fga.32.1228231369690; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.92.3 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:22:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0812020722w6fd3549dp4a233441a64e2354@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:22:49 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <58c776e60812020440g4b275fecwe777cbe3447b0d59@mail.gmail.com> <493541EA.1010004@verizon.net> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] MF1 adapter (OM to 4/3) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 16:23:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493552d537491035110158 Iwert is correct. The free adapter was the MA-1 and was only marked as "4/3 adapter" and "Made in Japan". Also, I vaguely remember something about the MA-1 being ever so slightly thinner than the MF-1, but I can't recall the website where I read that. http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/any-lens.html Scroll down the "Lens Adapter". Charlie On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:01 AM, iwert bernakiewicz wrot= e: > If I remember correctly the first batch which was given out for free was > without any markings,so it does not have to be a knock off! > > Iwert > > 2008/12/2 John Hermanson > > > It's a knock-off. > > ___________________________________ > > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > > > > Olli H=E4nninen wrote: > > > I am considering of buying a used MF1 adapter because I found one used > > for a > > > low price. (I have one but having an additional piece is always nice = in > > what > > > comes to olympus stuff :-) > > > > > > The seller wrote me that the adapter has no text "Olympus MF1" on it > but > > > that it looks just the same as MF1 and he bought it used in a same ca= se > > as > > > MF1. He thought it might be an older version of MF1. > > > > > > I started to seriously doubt whether it really is an olympus > manufactured > > > adapter. Do you happen to know whether MF1's have been produced with = no > > > Olympus-text on it? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Olli > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 16:25:24 2008 Received: (qmail 27423 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 15:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 15:25:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA97B43029D for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7EC440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC24F34AC049 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:25:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3207234AC040 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:25:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KB900IC99HWIED5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:25:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:25:16 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <4935535C.50200@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <58c776e60812020440g4b275fecwe777cbe3447b0d59@mail.gmail.com> <493541EA.1010004@verizon.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] MF1 adapter (OM to 4/3) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 16:25:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49355364309031946193717 Piers explanation narrows it down. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > If I remember correctly the first batch which was given out for free was > without any markings,so it does not have to be a knock off! > = > Iwert > = > 2008/12/2 John Hermanson > = >> It's a knock-off. >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Olli H=E4nninen wrote: >>> I am considering of buying a used MF1 adapter because I found one used >> for a >>> low price. (I have one but having an additional piece is always nice in >> what >>> comes to olympus stuff :-) >>> >>> The seller wrote me that the adapter has no text "Olympus MF1" on it but >>> that it looks just the same as MF1 and he bought it used in a same case >> as >>> MF1. He thought it might be an older version of MF1. >>> >>> I started to seriously doubt whether it really is an olympus manufactur= ed >>> adapter. Do you happen to know whether MF1's have been produced with no >>> Olympus-text on it? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Olli >> -- -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 17:01:13 2008 Received: (qmail 32222 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 16:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 16:01:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDB4430558 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:01:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB69440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3892734AC046 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:01:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B5234AC043 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:01:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3454 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2008 16:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2008 16:01:03 -0000 Message-ID: <49355BBE.1010209@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:01:02 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> <493537AB.7030507@gmail.com> <49354179.4080708@chucknorcutt.com> <49354D72.2030004@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49354D72.2030004@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Anyone else tried infrared with E3 - and some other pictures X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 17:01:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49355bc9116003675314703 I agree. It looks like his henchmen are actually executioners and the sacks are for carrying away the severed heads. The only thing missing is the ax. Chuck Norcutt swisspace wrote: > Hi Chuck > > meanwhile I added a couple more, this one shows Sami Klaus and his hench > men, I think it makes quite a frightening appearance for kids, I am used > to my father christmas being at the north pole and not seeing him. > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/6716762_L89RL#428932630_Mswiu-A-LB > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 17:14:32 2008 Received: (qmail 19032 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 16:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 16:14:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F23430534 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56737440023 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:14:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E8719EDC9 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:14:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AA019EDBC for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:14:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14028 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2008 16:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2008 16:14:22 -0000 Message-ID: <49355EDE.1060805@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:14:22 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <58c776e60812020440g4b275fecwe777cbe3447b0d59@mail.gmail.com> <493541EA.1010004@verizon.net> <14883a8b0812020722w6fd3549dp4a233441a64e2354@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0812020722w6fd3549dp4a233441a64e2354@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] MF1 adapter (OM to 4/3) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 17:14:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49355ee8141721234514069 I agree with Iwert and Charlie on the markings. Olympus unexpectedly = and totally without comment sent me an MA-1 some time long after I wrote = them a letter complaining about the lack of such an adapter before it = was released. As I recall, I sold it to a list member since I never did = buy an E-1. I was certain I had images of it taken for purposes of the = sale but can't locate the images. I do remember being very surprised = when JH announced the existence of the "MF-1" since what I had was not = so marked. Chuck Norcutt Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Iwert is correct. The free adapter was the MA-1 and was only marked as > "4/3 adapter" and "Made in Japan". Also, I vaguely remember something abo= ut > the MA-1 being ever so slightly thinner than the MF-1, but I can't recall > the website where I read that. > = > http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/any-lens.html > = > Scroll down the "Lens Adapter". > = > Charlie > = > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:01 AM, iwert bernakiewicz wr= ote: > = >> If I remember correctly the first batch which was given out for free was >> without any markings,so it does not have to be a knock off! >> >> Iwert >> >> 2008/12/2 John Hermanson >> >>> It's a knock-off. >>> ___________________________________ >>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>> >>> >>> Olli H=E4nninen wrote: >>>> I am considering of buying a used MF1 adapter because I found one used >>> for a >>>> low price. (I have one but having an additional piece is always nice in >>> what >>>> comes to olympus stuff :-) >>>> >>>> The seller wrote me that the adapter has no text "Olympus MF1" on it >> but >>>> that it looks just the same as MF1 and he bought it used in a same case >>> as >>>> MF1. He thought it might be an older version of MF1. >>>> >>>> I started to seriously doubt whether it really is an olympus >> manufactured >>>> adapter. Do you happen to know whether MF1's have been produced with no >>>> Olympus-text on it? >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Olli >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com = >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/20= 08 9:31 AM >> -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 17:25:31 2008 Received: (qmail 31751 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 16:25:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 16:25:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515F643059E for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87091440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8326334AC040 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:25:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6CF34AC048 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:25:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so3276768ugf.21 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:25:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.98.15 with SMTP id a15mr796062ugm.86.1228235124079; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:25:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a1sm11536866ugf.26.2008.12.02.08.25.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:25:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49356172.4070103@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:25:22 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> <493537AB.7030507@gmail.com> <49354179.4080708@chucknorcutt.com> <49354D72.2030004@gmail.com> <49355BBE.1010209@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49355BBE.1010209@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Anyone else tried infrared with E3 - and some other pictures X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 17:25:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935617b49551073733319 Apparently he is used as a threat for children and if you are not good he will take you away, if you are nice however the sacks are however filled with oranges, peanuts and gingerbread. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I agree. It looks like his henchmen are actually executioners and the > sacks are for carrying away the severed heads. The only thing missing > is the ax. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 17:32:11 2008 Received: (qmail 4972 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 16:32:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 16:32:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D144302A1 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B365440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C8419EE42 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:32:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.432 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.432 required=7 tests=[DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=2.431, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC6319EE80 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:32:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (68.230.240.48 is listed in dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:32:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081202163200.OKAT21678.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:32:00 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id mGXz1a00H4vDLwc02GXz5R; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:31:59 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VYhwJ-FsL3QA:10 a=GKkEJhSPdWkA:10 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=KoKUyO7CZfjtlmNY5IkA:9 a=zEZXI-nnmLGqoe5LgeoA:7 a=muRpCr0C2DI-U3MKcfCwko-2k9oA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=zxxVM3CWV3sA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <72DAC789A0BE40D3987DA706038AC6A6@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> <493537AB.7030507@gmail.com> <49354179.4080708@chucknorcutt.com> <49354D72.2030004@gmail.com><49355BBE.1010209@chucknorcutt.com> <49356172.4070103@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:31:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Anyone else tried infrared with E3 - and someother pictures X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 17:32:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935630b25421702588592 Looks like they;ve been preparing to hand out lots of coals for this year! Billl Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "swisspace" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Anyone else tried infrared with E3 - and someother pictures > Apparently he is used as a threat for children and if you are not good > he will take you away, if you are nice however the sacks are however > filled with oranges, peanuts and gingerbread. > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I agree. It looks like his henchmen are actually executioners and the >> sacks are for carrying away the severed heads. The only thing missing >> is the ax. >> >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 18:47:15 2008 Received: (qmail 32250 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 17:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 17:47:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDA74303B8 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B12D440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF13D19F254 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:47:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.432 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.432 required=7 tests=[DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=2.431, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C2419F233 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:47:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (68.230.240.7 is listed in dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081202174705.NFDJ18496.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:47:05 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id mHn41a00H4vDLwc02Hn4ZG; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:47:05 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6210m_QdesXQ-ranQBYA:9 a=OKc3sdO3-xHumcMQ9VpI5XhgtkAA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <0CF24AB0FC5249E39A75C7E105F3E93F@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> <493537AB.7030507@gmail.com> <49354179.4080708@chucknorcutt.com> <49354D72.2030004@gmail.com><49355BBE.1010209@chucknorcutt.com><49356172.4070103@gmail.com> <72DAC789A0BE40D3987DA706038AC6A6@SueHome> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:47:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 18:47:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493574a3322782046811720 I recently read the posts on others experiences with free film from Kodak. I was sad that I had none. Then I did. Last Saturday, a box arrived in the mail. It was from Kodak! Don't be envious, though, as it contained one 135-36 roll of TMX100 and another of TX400. I'm not a fan of previous Tmax films, so what will I think of the new? Will it require too much work in exposing and processing like the old? Will I be surprised and give up Plus-X and Tri-X? I doubt it, but I'll try. I must have signed up for something some time ago. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 19:20:02 2008 Received: (qmail 27768 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 18:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 18:20:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9134302D1 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:20:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D195440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D57819F3F4 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:19:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229B919F3EC for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:19:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so1278103and.35 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.189.10 with SMTP id m10mr6979902anf.118.1228241991826; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.1.196? ([207.207.79.118]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm13472267yxl.8.2008.12.02.10.19.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:19:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3C6166A3-834F-41CD-A6A7-88BD5C9C6450@gmail.com> From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:19:32 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: [OM] Welcome Godfrey! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 19:20:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49357c52137741702588592 Hey Godfrey, Welcome to the list! Are you still riding Guzzis? I corresponded with you about six years ago before buying a Ricoh GR-1v and Leica Minilux for a motorcycle trip in Europe. And then maybe three years ago Flash bought my crashed Cagiva Gran Canyon and somehow your name came up. What brings you to the list? Rob in Seattle On Dec 2, 2008, at 3:16 AM, olympus-request@thomasclausen.net wrote: > Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:04:04 -0800 > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > Subject: Re: [OM] Nothing for Two Hours > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Message-ID: <4FF0C985-392A-4D20-BE52-431DBF9F8268@mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > I dunno about that. I subscribed last night at 8pm and I've already > got 30 messages from it ...! > > Godfrey > www.gdgphoto.com > www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 20:28:03 2008 Received: (qmail 16794 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 19:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 19:28:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B84E430536 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:28:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F080E440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B5934AC048 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:27:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC6734AC043 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:27:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 18 days 12:27:33 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:27:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69D62530E2E for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:27:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kHfcEUebLO7N for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA682530E1F for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:27:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4B22831D-5D0A-4E93-AD3D-F1FB58DBB101@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:27:47 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Food Fight! [was: IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 20:28:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49358c4347591946193717 > From: Frank van Lindert > > I have learnt otherwise, Jan. > > Levels in plants are only one percent of those in animal call > membranes, but nevertheless... Okay, how about "no vegetable contains amounts of cholesterol of any dietary significance." :-) :::: Well, gotta get back to whatever it was I was avoiding... :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 21:48:35 2008 Received: (qmail 12891 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 20:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 20:48:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCBD4305DD for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:48:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC8C440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:48:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB5534AC049 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:48:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC4D34AC046 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:48:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:48:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50020 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L7cAP-0006sT-5H for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:48:21 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:48:09 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] On free film... Thread-Index: AclUv0iVh252s8CyEd2pygAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <0CF24AB0FC5249E39A75C7E105F3E93F@SueHome> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 21:48:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49359f2312131234514069 I received my box with the sample Tmax Rolls a couple days ago too. I think I asked for it online several months ago. They sent it to my parents house, because I was staying there right after I moved back to Indiana. I don't remember when I asked for it, but I got my own apartment 8 months ago, so they sure took their time sending it! Tmax film still has a reputation for being hard to use that is unjustified. The first generation Tmax films, from the late 80's and early 90's deserved this. The later versions did not. There have been at least 4 versions of this film that I can remember: The originals, which often blocked highlights. 2nd Generation, my favorite, had beautiful tonality and extremely fine grain. These came out in the mid 90's. Most of my work done from 1994 to 2004 was done on these films. 3rd Generation, introduced when Kodak built a new coating plant for black & white films several years ago, around 2004 I think. They claimed they needed to reformulate all their BW films a bit to work on the new production machinery. Tmax 100 and 400 got REALLY grainy compared to the 2nd gen films, but Tmax 3200 remained nice. I had used Tmax 100 and 400 exclusively until this happened, then I began using other films. I never have found anything as good as the 2nd Gen Tmax films. 4th Generation Tmax 400. Tmax 3200 and 100 are still the 3rd gen versions, but 400 was updated near the end of 2007 to a much finer grained version that Kodak claims is the sharpest and finest grained 400 speed BW film ever made. I think that's probably true. Here's a photo shot on the latest Tmax 400, the version you got in the mail: http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/mack/photopages/mack_12 -30-07.htm I like it but that is the only roll I have ever shot of it, and I think I'll use a shorter developing time next time. I had a big supply of Tri-X I had bought in 35mm that I just finished using, so I will likely use the new Tmax 400 now. If you don't want the stuff cause you're afraid its too finicky to expose and develop, send it to me...my girlfriend and I will use it. Chris -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 12/2/08 12:47 PM, "Sue Pearce" wrote: > I recently read the posts on others experiences with free film from Kodak. I > was sad that I had none. > > Then I did. Last Saturday, a box arrived in the mail. It was from Kodak! > Don't be envious, though, as it contained one 135-36 roll of TMX100 and > another of TX400. I'm not a fan of previous Tmax films, so what will I think > of the new? Will it require too much work in exposing and processing like > the old? Will I be surprised and give up Plus-X and Tri-X? I doubt it, but > I'll try. > > I must have signed up for something some time ago. > > Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 21:55:15 2008 Received: (qmail 24952 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 20:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 20:55:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8998430554 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:55:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3B0440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF57A1CD482 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:55:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F45F1CD483 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:55:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25733 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2008 20:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2008 20:55:05 -0000 Message-ID: <4935A0A8.7050503@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:55:04 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B22831D-5D0A-4E93-AD3D-F1FB58DBB101@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <4B22831D-5D0A-4E93-AD3D-F1FB58DBB101@Bytesmiths.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Food Fight! [was: IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: winter and work] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 21:55:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935a0b3317591257536491 How about "no food contains cholesterol of any medical significance." Sorry, I couldn't help it. I'll quit. Chuck Norcutt Jan Steinman wrote: >> From: Frank van Lindert >> >> I have learnt otherwise, Jan. >> >> Levels in plants are only one percent of those in animal call >> membranes, but nevertheless... > > Okay, how about "no vegetable contains amounts of cholesterol of any > dietary significance." :-) > > :::: Well, gotta get back to whatever it was I was avoiding... :::: > :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 22:04:51 2008 Received: (qmail 30625 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 21:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 21:04:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30AF443052D for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:04:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A1D440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:04:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F6234AC00B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:04:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9260F34AC004 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:04:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:04:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31883 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2008 21:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2008 21:04:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4935A2EA.7060503@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:04:42 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 22:04:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935a2f3141271257536491 I like your son OK but what lens did you shoot this with and what's in the background? The bokeh is really wierd. I even tried a gaussian blur on the background and it doesn't help much. Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > I received my box with the sample Tmax Rolls a couple days ago too. I think > I asked for it online several months ago. They sent it to my parents house, > because I was staying there right after I moved back to Indiana. I don't > remember when I asked for it, but I got my own apartment 8 months ago, so > they sure took their time sending it! > > Tmax film still has a reputation for being hard to use that is unjustified. > The first generation Tmax films, from the late 80's and early 90's deserved > this. The later versions did not. There have been at least 4 versions of > this film that I can remember: > > The originals, which often blocked highlights. > > 2nd Generation, my favorite, had beautiful tonality and extremely fine > grain. These came out in the mid 90's. Most of my work done from 1994 to > 2004 was done on these films. > > 3rd Generation, introduced when Kodak built a new coating plant for black & > white films several years ago, around 2004 I think. They claimed they needed > to reformulate all their BW films a bit to work on the new production > machinery. Tmax 100 and 400 got REALLY grainy compared to the 2nd gen films, > but Tmax 3200 remained nice. I had used Tmax 100 and 400 exclusively until > this happened, then I began using other films. I never have found anything > as good as the 2nd Gen Tmax films. > > 4th Generation Tmax 400. Tmax 3200 and 100 are still the 3rd gen versions, > but 400 was updated near the end of 2007 to a much finer grained version > that Kodak claims is the sharpest and finest grained 400 speed BW film ever > made. I think that's probably true. Here's a photo shot on the latest Tmax > 400, the version you got in the mail: > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/mack/photopages/mack_12 > -30-07.htm > > I like it but that is the only roll I have ever shot of it, and I think I'll > use a shorter developing time next time. I had a big supply of Tri-X I had > bought in 35mm that I just finished using, so I will likely use the new Tmax > 400 now. > > If you don't want the stuff cause you're afraid its too finicky to expose > and develop, send it to me...my girlfriend and I will use it. > > Chris > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 22:22:54 2008 Received: (qmail 21243 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 21:22:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 21:22:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3A1430599 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB1D440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A97134AC046 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:22:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297A634AC04D for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:22:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:22:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10104 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2008 21:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2008 21:22:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4935A721.2010004@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:22:41 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list Subject: [OM] A treasure trove of old photo manuals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 22:22:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935a72e55789117217770 Check out I think I had actually found and lost this site before but I stumbled on it again this morning and found a manual for my Argus C3 (my dad's first camera) and my Canon 540EZ flash (I had almost given up on that one). I dunno why "chinon" is in the path name but index-old.html is truly the starting point for hundreds if not thousands of manuals. I was so happy to find these I was more than willing to give him his suggested donation of $3/manual. But that's not necessary. Free if you like. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 22:24:22 2008 Received: (qmail 25255 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 21:24:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 21:24:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACF81C4050D for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140FC440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1021CD487 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:24:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8405C1CD485 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:24:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.68]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 64828 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 21:24:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WXZk91AVM1mCLlvrpD7xQrMmkZNPimhXPv95wp73_nCsiDSEjeJZNHaMWZ0v9KZGPJrbAwBw1SACvXtuCpjxATlDptxpsmbTJUdZVJj7VAqVdETr.Q66eYnAj79kT5KlVMGdSckx18MuMbEfbhBeeIWoXcbrDIVUtuKb9RJjvMs6TuCSf0KAQnh8Q7WzJNVll0EXhTV3VjXu1CI- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:24:10 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:24:10 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4935A721.2010004@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <618292.64484.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] A treasure trove of old photo manuals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 22:24:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935a78671001234514069 Butkus.org is a great resource for hard to find manuals. --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > From: Chuck Norcutt > Subject: [OM] A treasure trove of old photo manuals > To: "Olympus mail list" > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:22 PM > Check out > > I think I had actually found and lost this site before but > I stumbled on > it again this morning and found a manual for my Argus C3 > (my dad's first > camera) and my Canon 540EZ flash (I had almost given up on > that one). > > I dunno why "chinon" is in the path name but > index-old.html is truly the > starting point for hundreds if not thousands of manuals. I > was so happy > to find these I was more than willing to give him his > suggested donation > of $3/manual. But that's not necessary. Free if you > like. > > Chuck Norcutt > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 22:25:06 2008 Received: (qmail 14023 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 21:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 21:25:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78734305BE for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:25:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83227440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFAF34AC04F for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:25:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B1B34AC040 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:24:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.66]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:24:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 70533 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 21:24:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vx1M4J0VM1m8sm9CcAcU7AXuEC6yT92pQK9LkdPEtOcK6lGQd4RQJcVes8I7K1Bko0hXQaIjOhOGX9kFC8Nj4_Wda3C.BYhYyIRBr8rbEK9aXPdTe056LBq.ygz6z_Tyq_fT6A-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:24:58 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:24:58 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4935A2EA.7060503@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <705555.70513.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 22:25:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935a7b2191557927319144 Got mine the other day. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 22:34:05 2008 Received: (qmail 22953 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 21:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 21:34:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF684305E7 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E25440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B9A1CD485 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:33:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E401CD482 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:33:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.102]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB2LXkaD002273 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:33:51 +1100 Message-Id: <200812022133.mB2LXkaD002273@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:33:46 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:33:46 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Anyone else tried infrared with E3 - and some other pictures X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 22:34:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935a9cd37791869477228 > swisspace wrote: > > > Does anyone have any tips on IR photography with the E-3 clearly my > first effort is rubbish. > Any digital camera made recently will have a very strong IR blocking filter (maybe not the Leica M8 ?). If you want good IR it's probably best to get an IR modified camera (blocking filter removed) or pick up an older camera like an Olympus C2100UZ which has pretty good IR sensitivity (e.g. ISO 400, 1/30 f8 in sunlight) without any modification. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 22:42:42 2008 Received: (qmail 16277 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 21:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 21:42:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F404305E5 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C3C440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738521CD483 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:42:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC6E1CD482 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:42:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50261 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L7d0p-0001Aq-8i for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:42:31 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:42:11 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] On free film... Thread-Index: AclUxtT3E2PXK8C6Ed2pygAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4935A2EA.7060503@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 22:42:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935abd273949347015869 Yeah, the bokeh sucks, and surprisingly, the lens is a Zuiko 85mm f2. I bought the lens in Santa Fe because I got it for $50 and it looks nice, near perfect condition. It is a newer black-nose MC lens. I've always wanted to try the older silvernose version for comparison, since the optical formula changed on it over the years. I have an AF-Nikkor 85mm f1.8 that has much smoother bokeh, surprisingly, since my experience has generally been that Nikon lenses have harsh bokeh. I also have the Minolta 85mm f1.7 that I posted about a few weeks ago, but I haven't had time to try it yet :( For Olympus, I prefer my blacknose 100mm f2.8 for portraits, it has smoother bokeh. This was shot with the 100/2.8 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/mack/photopages/mack-sm iling.htm -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 12/2/08 4:04 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > I like your son OK but what lens did you shoot this with and what's in > the background? The bokeh is really wierd. I even tried a gaussian > blur on the background and it doesn't help much. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> I received my box with the sample Tmax Rolls a couple days ago too. I think >> I asked for it online several months ago. They sent it to my parents house, >> because I was staying there right after I moved back to Indiana. I don't >> remember when I asked for it, but I got my own apartment 8 months ago, so >> they sure took their time sending it! >> >> Tmax film still has a reputation for being hard to use that is unjustified. >> The first generation Tmax films, from the late 80's and early 90's deserved >> this. The later versions did not. There have been at least 4 versions of >> this film that I can remember: >> >> The originals, which often blocked highlights. >> >> 2nd Generation, my favorite, had beautiful tonality and extremely fine >> grain. These came out in the mid 90's. Most of my work done from 1994 to >> 2004 was done on these films. >> >> 3rd Generation, introduced when Kodak built a new coating plant for black & >> white films several years ago, around 2004 I think. They claimed they needed >> to reformulate all their BW films a bit to work on the new production >> machinery. Tmax 100 and 400 got REALLY grainy compared to the 2nd gen films, >> but Tmax 3200 remained nice. I had used Tmax 100 and 400 exclusively until >> this happened, then I began using other films. I never have found anything >> as good as the 2nd Gen Tmax films. >> >> 4th Generation Tmax 400. Tmax 3200 and 100 are still the 3rd gen versions, >> but 400 was updated near the end of 2007 to a much finer grained version >> that Kodak claims is the sharpest and finest grained 400 speed BW film ever >> made. I think that's probably true. Here's a photo shot on the latest Tmax >> 400, the version you got in the mail: >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/mack/photopages/mack_12 >> -30-07.htm >> >> I like it but that is the only roll I have ever shot of it, and I think I'll >> use a shorter developing time next time. I had a big supply of Tri-X I had >> bought in 35mm that I just finished using, so I will likely use the new Tmax >> 400 now. >> >> If you don't want the stuff cause you're afraid its too finicky to expose >> and develop, send it to me...my girlfriend and I will use it. >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 >> 9:31 AM >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 22:45:10 2008 Received: (qmail 27536 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 21:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 21:45:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B334305C4 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41BA440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:45:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C871CD484 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:45:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254151CD481 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:45:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50378 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L7d3I-0001Jz-Eh for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:45:04 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:45:03 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] A treasure trove of old photo manuals Thread-Index: AclUxzt8ecCjkMC6Ed2pygAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4935A721.2010004@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] A treasure trove of old photo manuals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 22:45:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935ac66208561744846740 I think the site started as a resource on Chinon cameras because the guy who runs it likes Chinon. It is a great source for all kinds of manuals now. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 12/2/08 4:22 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > Check out > I think I had actually found and lost this site before but I stumbled on > it again this morning and found a manual for my Argus C3 (my dad's first > camera) and my Canon 540EZ flash (I had almost given up on that one). > > I dunno why "chinon" is in the path name but index-old.html is truly the > starting point for hundreds if not thousands of manuals. I was so happy > to find these I was more than willing to give him his suggested donation > of $3/manual. But that's not necessary. Free if you like. > > Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 22:57:23 2008 Received: (qmail 15097 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 21:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 21:57:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405004305B4 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1A3440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0461D1CD484 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:57:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78721CD482 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:57:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30111 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2008 21:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2008 21:57:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4935AF36.90207@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:57:10 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 22:57:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935af43123869347015869 Yes, much, much better. Maybe the problem was that specific background. I've never noticed poor bokeh from my 85/2 but it's an older silver nose. These are done with my 85/2 Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > Yeah, the bokeh sucks, and surprisingly, the lens is a Zuiko 85mm f2. I > bought the lens in Santa Fe because I got it for $50 and it looks nice, near > perfect condition. It is a newer black-nose MC lens. I've always wanted to > try the older silvernose version for comparison, since the optical formula > changed on it over the years. I have an AF-Nikkor 85mm f1.8 that has much > smoother bokeh, surprisingly, since my experience has generally been that > Nikon lenses have harsh bokeh. I also have the Minolta 85mm f1.7 that I > posted about a few weeks ago, but I haven't had time to try it yet :( > > For Olympus, I prefer my blacknose 100mm f2.8 for portraits, it has smoother > bokeh. This was shot with the 100/2.8 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/mack/photopages/mack-sm > iling.htm > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 23:00:15 2008 Received: (qmail 15044 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 22:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 22:00:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A264305C0 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4A5440023 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:00:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D62D1CD484 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:00:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1E61CD482 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:00:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from asmtpout017.mac.com (asmtpout017.mac.com [17.148.16.92]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:00:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [10.0.1.200] (adsl-71-146-20-220.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net [71.146.20.220]) by asmtp017.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.03 (built Aug 7 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KB9004WURRHA660@asmtp017.mac.com> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:59:42 -0800 (PST) Message-id: From: Godfrey DiGiorgi To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-reply-to: <3C6166A3-834F-41CD-A6A7-88BD5C9C6450@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:59:40 -0800 References: <3C6166A3-834F-41CD-A6A7-88BD5C9C6450@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Welcome Godfrey! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 23:00:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935afef187661702588592 Hi Rob, Time does roll forward... ! I'm not riding at present. Too busy with my photography at present, and distracted. Such it is. I've been working primarily with Panasonic/Leica and Olympus FourThirds equipment for the past year and some. Someone mentioned this mailing list so I figured I'd subscribe and see what the discussion was about. I transported a fresh half-tank for that Cagiva Gran Sport from the UK to Colorado for Flash ... my friends in the UK were glad to be relieved of the *huge* box it came in. :-) Godfrey www.gdgphoto.com www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/ On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Rob Harrison wrote: > Hey Godfrey, > > Welcome to the list! Are you still riding Guzzis? > > I corresponded with you about six years ago before buying a Ricoh > GR-1v and Leica Minilux for a motorcycle trip in Europe. And then > maybe three years ago Flash bought my crashed Cagiva Gran Canyon and > somehow your name came up. > > What brings you to the list? > > Rob in Seattle -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 23:04:26 2008 Received: (qmail 10937 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 22:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 22:04:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6134305A8 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:04:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C8A440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:04:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BB334AC046 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:04:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A10B34AC00B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:04:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:04:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.179.18.26]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KB90021XRYFY0A5@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:03:53 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:03:50 -0500 From: Rand E In-reply-to: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <4935B0C6.9000505@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] A treasure trove of old photo manuals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 23:04:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935b0ea173031946193717 Has anyone seen a d/l source for the Leica CL manual ? Chris Crawford wrote: > I think the site started as a resource on Chinon cameras because the guy who > runs it likes Chinon. It is a great source for all kinds of manuals now. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 23:18:25 2008 Received: (qmail 19394 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 22:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 22:18:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C03430553 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DD0440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2A734AC048 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:18:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F6634AC00B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:18:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl38.gs02.gridserver.com (cl38.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:18:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50674 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl38.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L7dZO-0004XE-Ni for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:18:15 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:17:57 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] On free film... Thread-Index: AclUy9QUEtQFoMC/Ed2lnwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4935AF36.90207@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 23:18:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935b431242142046811720 Part of it with my 85mm shot was the background was blotchy grass, but yours do look a lot nicer. I'd like to get a silvernose 85 to try but they always seem to go over $300 on ebay and I can't afford it. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 12/2/08 4:57 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > Yes, much, much better. Maybe the problem was that specific background. > I've never noticed poor bokeh from my 85/2 but it's an older silver > nose. These are done with my 85/2 > > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> Yeah, the bokeh sucks, and surprisingly, the lens is a Zuiko 85mm f2. I >> bought the lens in Santa Fe because I got it for $50 and it looks nice, near >> perfect condition. It is a newer black-nose MC lens. I've always wanted to >> try the older silvernose version for comparison, since the optical formula >> changed on it over the years. I have an AF-Nikkor 85mm f1.8 that has much >> smoother bokeh, surprisingly, since my experience has generally been that >> Nikon lenses have harsh bokeh. I also have the Minolta 85mm f1.7 that I >> posted about a few weeks ago, but I haven't had time to try it yet :( >> >> For Olympus, I prefer my blacknose 100mm f2.8 for portraits, it has smoother >> bokeh. This was shot with the 100/2.8 >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/mack/photopages/mack-sm >> iling.htm >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 >> 9:31 AM >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 2 23:24:56 2008 Received: (qmail 17550 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2008 22:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 22:24:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2A34305C4 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:24:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0163440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA551CD483 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:24:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABF61CD482 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:24:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 7A5BD4D0H2 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:24:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:24:45 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:24:45 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] On free film... Thread-Index: AclUy9QUEtQFoMC/Ed2lnwAKlchBUgAANKKQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2008 22:24:45.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[C75C8240:01C954CC] Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 2 23:24:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935b5b838521499373980 That seems totally backwards to me. You picked up a black nose 85/2 for $50, but only see silvernosed ones going for $300? Maybe I've lost touch with eyebuy. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Crawford [mailto:chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:18 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... Part of it with my 85mm shot was the background was blotchy grass, but yours do look a lot nicer. I'd like to get a silvernose 85 to try but they always seem to go over $300 on ebay and I can't afford it. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 12/2/08 4:57 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > Yes, much, much better. Maybe the problem was that specific background. > I've never noticed poor bokeh from my 85/2 but it's an older silver > nose. These are done with my 85/2 > > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> Yeah, the bokeh sucks, and surprisingly, the lens is a Zuiko 85mm f2. >> I bought the lens in Santa Fe because I got it for $50 and it looks >> nice, near perfect condition. It is a newer black-nose MC lens. I've >> always wanted to try the older silvernose version for comparison, >> since the optical formula changed on it over the years. I have an >> AF-Nikkor 85mm f1.8 that has much smoother bokeh, surprisingly, since >> my experience has generally been that Nikon lenses have harsh bokeh. >> I also have the Minolta 85mm f1.7 that I posted about a few weeks >> ago, but I haven't had time to try it yet :( >> >> For Olympus, I prefer my blacknose 100mm f2.8 for portraits, it has >> smoother bokeh. This was shot with the 100/2.8 >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/mack/photopages/ >> mack-sm >> iling.htm >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: >> 12/2/2008 9:31 AM >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. 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Thread-Index: AclUy9QUEtQFoMC/Ed2lnwAKlchBUgAANKKQAAGEJFE= In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 00:07:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935bfb272654673671140 Actually on ebay all the Zuiko 85s seem to go around $300. I got the one I have in Santa Fe from an old photographer who was going digital and ditching his OM stuff cheap on craigslist. He had OM-1 and OM-2 bodies for $50, a 28mm lens for $30, and a 180/2.8 for $90. I only bought the 85 cause I was broke at the time. He sold the other stuff before I got paid again. I called him the day the ad appeared on CL and snagged the 85. Basically my 85 for $50 was a one in a million fluke. He could have easily got $300 on eBay for it. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 12/2/08 5:24 PM, "Timpe, Jim" wrote: > That seems totally backwards to me. You picked up a black nose 85/2 for > $50, but only see silvernosed ones going for $300? > Maybe I've lost touch with eyebuy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Crawford [mailto:chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:18 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... > > > Part of it with my 85mm shot was the background was blotchy grass, but > yours do look a lot nicer. I'd like to get a silvernose 85 to try but > they always seem to go over $300 on ebay and I can't afford it. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 01:18:13 2008 Received: (qmail 31776 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 00:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 00:18:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0A31C40302 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D22440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:18:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B361CD488 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:18:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAC41CD484 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:18:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:18:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11262 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2008 00:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.149.4) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 3 Dec 2008 00:18:01 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081202190129.011713a0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:17:52 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 01:18:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935d045279331234514069 I have not read all the replies, but NiCad batteries can delivery very high currents compared to NiMh or other batteries. If used in a device that assumes limited current capability from the battery could be a problem. Usually the circuits for electronics is regulated with switching regulators but the flash circuits may use a direct connection to the battery. Since the flash voltage needs to generate high voltage, there is no reason to use a regulated supply, but simply go direct to the battery. The switching circuits of the flash charge pump probably assume a limited battery impedance. As such, in order to work with NiMh batteries, the circuits are optimized for higher battery resistance. If a low resistance battery is then used, the switching circuits could be damaged as they are not designed to handle the lower batter impedance and higher surge currents. I won't go into the details, but simply put, the switching control circuits are minimal in design and control in order to minimize cost. That is, the designer assumed NiMh and optimized cost for that battery. Wayne - former Linear Tech analog designer. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 01:52:42 2008 Received: (qmail 32159 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 00:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 00:52:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E8E430603 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D51E440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA7134AC046 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:52:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0D234AC004 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:52:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:52:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d5b.3774a6ee (37568) for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB045-5bbb4935d8431b; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:52:29 -0500 Received: from WEBMAIL-DY19 (webmail-dy19.sim.aol.com [205.188.108.151]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA032-5bbb4935d8431b; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:52:19 -0500 References: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:52:19 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 In-Reply-To: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com (205.188.108.151) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:52:19 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] On free film... 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 01:53:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935d883147191234514069 CkkgdGhpbmsgaXQncyBiZWVuIGEgY291cGFsYSB3ZWVrcyBhbmQgbm90IGEgcGVlcCwgdW5sZXNz IEkgbWlzc2VkIAppdC0tLXF1aXRlIGF0eXBpY2FsLsKgCkhvcGUgYWxsIGlzIHdlbGwuwqAKTWlr ZcKgCihzZWxmLWFwcG9pbnRlZCBsaXN0IHdvcnJ5d2FydCBhbmQgZW5kb2NyaW5vbG9naXN0KcKg CsKgCgotLSAKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KT3B0aW9uczogaHR0cDovL2xpc3RzLnRob21hc2NsYXVzZW4ubmV0 L21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vb2x5bXB1cwpBcmNoaXZlczogaHR0cDovL2xpc3RzLnRob21hc2Ns YXVzZW4ubmV0L21haWxtYW4vcHJpdmF0ZS9vbHltcHVzLwpUaGVtZWQgT2x5bXB1cyBQaG90byBF eGhpYml0aW9uOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRvcGUubmwvCgo= From nilsf Wed Dec 3 02:01:51 2008 Received: (qmail 30236 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 01:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:01:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA924305B1 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A409440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673DE1CD482 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:01:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AAA1CD485 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:01:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50248 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L7g7a-0008Fq-B0 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:01:42 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:01:40 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] On free film... Thread-Index: AclU4rML8cAFbsDVEd2iogAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 02:01:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935da7f271661234514069 That's why I was surprised to see how harsh the bokeh was on mine, since the zuiko 85 is reputed to have very nice bokeh. -- = Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 12/2/08 7:52 PM, "usher99@aol.com" wrote: > = Shhesh,=A0 The lens isn't noted for crummy bokeh. Jane Bown used it at F2.8 > for = her Queen portraits. I thought the 100/2.8 was in general a tad sharper > = but Moose corrected my incorrect general impression. I wonder what = aperture > was used by Chris. Perhaps the 100 F2 is the bokeh king for > = portraits?=A0 Mike=A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2006/apr/02/featu > resreview.review=A0 =A0 =A0 Yeah, the bokeh sucks, and surprisingly, the lens is a > Zuiko 85mm f2. I=A0 bought the lens in Santa Fe because I got it for $50 and it > looks nice, = near=A0 perfect condition. It is a newer black-nose MC lens. I've > always wanted = to=A0 try the older silvernose version for comparison, since the > optical = formula=A0 changed on it over the years.=A0 =A0 -- > = _________________________________________________________________ Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo > Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 02:02:27 2008 Received: (qmail 1167 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 01:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:02:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D790C4305F0 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA143440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:02:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E9634AC048 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:02:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3BC34AC00B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:02:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50249 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L7g8A-0005Ce-G1 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:02:18 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:02:16 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] On free film... Thread-Index: AclU4siAByjqTMDWEd2iogAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 02:02:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935daa333161585427447 Forgot to say, I used f5.6 for that portrait of my son done with the 85 on the new Tmax 400. -- = Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 12/2/08 7:52 PM, "usher99@aol.com" wrote: > = Shhesh,=A0 The lens isn't noted for crummy bokeh. Jane Bown used it at F2.8 > for = her Queen portraits. I thought the 100/2.8 was in general a tad sharper > = but Moose corrected my incorrect general impression. I wonder what = aperture > was used by Chris. Perhaps the 100 F2 is the bokeh king for > = portraits?=A0 Mike=A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2006/apr/02/featu > resreview.review=A0 =A0 =A0 Yeah, the bokeh sucks, and surprisingly, the lens is a > Zuiko 85mm f2. I=A0 bought the lens in Santa Fe because I got it for $50 and it > looks nice, = near=A0 perfect condition. It is a newer black-nose MC lens. I've > always wanted = to=A0 try the older silvernose version for comparison, since the > optical = formula=A0 changed on it over the years.=A0 =A0 -- > = _________________________________________________________________ Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo > Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 02:40:07 2008 Received: (qmail 17724 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 01:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:40:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8960B430610 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FBF440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:40:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6A934AC046 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:40:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD9E34AC043 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:39:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3235 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2008 01:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Dec 2008 01:39:57 -0000 Message-ID: <4935E36D.2070303@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:39:57 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB22EC19296F2F-16F8-1741@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F8A56EDD4C-AC8-C9E@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB22F8A56EDD4C-AC8-C9E@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Any Moose sightings? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 02:40:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935e377157411234514069 He's on a trip somewhere near Seattle visiting with someone with DSL web access which he hasn't been able to link up with for some reason. I've had two short, private messages from him (11/23, 11/25) when he chanced to be somewhere with his laptop and could latch onto someone's wifi connection. He said he had managed to download a lot of messages but I guess replying must be too difficult. Anyhow, I assume he is still well. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > I think it's been a coupala weeks and not a peep, unless I missed > it---quite atypical. > Hope all is well. > Mike > (self-appointed list worrywart and endocrinologist) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 02:44:11 2008 Received: (qmail 20961 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 01:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:44:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756194305BA for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA83440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536DD1CD482 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:43:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0ED1CD481 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:43:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5224 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2008 01:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Dec 2008 01:43:32 -0000 Message-ID: <4935E444.4090205@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:43:32 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49352D03.9070609@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081202190129.011713a0@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081202190129.011713a0@zuik.net> Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 02:44:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935e46b159694673671140 Thanks, but it must be getting late. I think you must have meant to say "alkaline" wherever you mentioned NiMH. Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > I have not read all the replies, but NiCad batteries can delivery very > high currents compared to NiMh or other batteries. If used in a device > that assumes limited current capability from the battery could be a > problem. > > Usually the circuits for electronics is regulated with switching regulators > but the flash circuits may use a direct connection to the battery. Since > the flash voltage needs to generate high voltage, there is no reason to > use a regulated supply, but simply go direct to the battery. The switching > circuits of the flash charge pump probably assume a limited battery > impedance. As such, in order to work with NiMh batteries, the circuits > are optimized for higher battery resistance. If a low resistance battery > is then used, the switching circuits could be damaged as they are not > designed to handle the lower batter impedance and higher surge currents. > > I won't go into the details, but simply put, the switching control circuits are > minimal in design and control in order to minimize cost. > That is, the designer assumed NiMh and optimized cost for that battery. > > Wayne - former Linear Tech analog designer. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 03:22:57 2008 Received: (qmail 19735 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 02:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 02:22:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FCD43060D for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:22:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB82440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E721CD485 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:22:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF9E1CD484 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:22:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 18 days 05:47:06 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:22:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-5-223.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.5.223]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB32MaVb017411 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:22:38 -0200 Message-ID: <4935FB83.9060102@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:22:43 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB22EC19296F2F-16F8-1741@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F8A56EDD4C-AC8-C9E@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <4935E36D.2070303@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4935E36D.2070303@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Any Moose sightings? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 03:22:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935ed81305671993019900 Glad to hear these news Chuck. It's been about a week and =BD or two that = I noticed his silence. Thought about emailing him privately but didn't want to interrupt = whatever he might be doing. Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > He's on a trip somewhere near Seattle visiting with someone with DSL web = > access which he hasn't been able to link up with for some reason. I've = > had two short, private messages from him (11/23, 11/25) when he chanced = > to be somewhere with his laptop and could latch onto someone's wifi = > connection. He said he had managed to download a lot of messages but I = > guess replying must be too difficult. Anyhow, I assume he is still well. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > usher99@aol.com wrote: > = >> I think it's been a coupala weeks and not a peep, unless I missed = >> it---quite atypical. = >> Hope all is well. = >> Mike = >> (self-appointed list worrywart and endocrinologist) Glad to hear thet >> = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 03:24:25 2008 Received: (qmail 1545 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 02:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 02:24:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E174305BA for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7AC440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2BC1CD484 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:24:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D0C1CD481 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:24:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:24:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23041 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2008 02:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Dec 2008 02:24:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4935EDD2.6090009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:24:18 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 03:24:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935edd9167902046811720 And since all of mine were done with fill flash they were done at small apertures using a lot of ND filtering. Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > Forgot to say, I used f5.6 for that portrait of my son done with the 85 on > the new Tmax 400. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 04:21:15 2008 Received: (qmail 2778 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 03:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 03:21:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB214305BE for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08ADE440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4F01CD482 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:21:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8391CD481 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:21:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:21:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so1924537nfc.20 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.231.15 with SMTP id i15mr5697951mur.35.1228274467654; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:21:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:21:07 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4935FB83.9060102@adinet.com.uy> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CB22EC19296F2F-16F8-1741@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F8A56EDD4C-AC8-C9E@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <4935E36D.2070303@chucknorcutt.com> <4935FB83.9060102@adinet.com.uy> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0646226fd3822267 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Any Moose sightings? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 04:21:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4935fb2b155061470116606 Maybe I need to write something to irk him? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 05:02:08 2008 Received: (qmail 10623 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 04:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 04:02:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355954305DF for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:02:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F58440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB8C1CD482 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:02:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6142A1CD483 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:02:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:02:01 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB341vwa029344 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:01:59 GMT Message-ID: <04262F09F3D94A088984DE9C4666C5DC@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB22EC19296F2F-16F8-1741@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F8A56EDD4C-AC8-C9E@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:02:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Any Moose sightings? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 05:02:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493604c0189851529615919 I heard from Moose on the 25th when I was seeking help getting back on the list. He has been away from home with limited access to the internet. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: [OM] Any Moose sightings? > > I think it's been a coupala weeks and not a peep, unless I missed > it---quite atypical. > Hope all is well. > Mike > (self-appointed list worrywart and endocrinologist) > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 08:06:21 2008 Received: (qmail 8143 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 07:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 07:06:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16ADF4305D0 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CDA440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8221CD489 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:06:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79171CD486 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:06:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7B5B06CB for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:06:01 +1100 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9pWFeyvCx6ro for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:05:57 +1100 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E861B06A4 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:05:57 +1100 (EST) Received: from 67.111.52.130.ptr.us.xo.net ([67.111.52.130] helo=[10.10.1.25]) by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L7loD-0000N7-13 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:06:05 +1100 Message-Id: <783ADD23-2B03-48F8-BAA4-57446F84B917@wildskies.net> From: Brent To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0812020559je399d1cl42b4267b3d58f67f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:05:52 -0800 References: <4934B581.5000806@spokeandsprocket.com> <307A9CC2-F61C-4DD7-82C7-ED9E23807089@wildskies.net> <14883a8b0812020559je399d1cl42b4267b3d58f67f@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - wildskies.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT Image : Sunnyvale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 08:06:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49362fed32585368819438 Thank you for your kind comments everyone. Charlie - the EXIF data reports the speed as 1/8 of a second (and apparently lens focal length 5.8m, aperture 2.8), so the cyclist can't have been moving very quickly! Nathan - yes I like it in black and white too, in some ways more than the colour version, but my 'minds eye' version of the photo at the time had the blurred colour so I stuck with that :) Brent On 02/12/2008, at 5:59 AM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Very nice Brent. I'm impressed that the camera was able to freeze the > bicyclist in such low lighting. There is very little motion blur. > What was > the shutter speed? > > Charlie On Dec 2, 2008, at 5:32 AM, Brent wrote: > Hi > > http://phogra.com/g/v/sunnyvale_morning.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 09:21:36 2008 Received: (qmail 9312 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 08:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 08:21:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3BE1C40F60 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA908440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7E134AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:21:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D4A34AC043 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:21:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.187]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:21:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u5so2218375tia.10 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:21:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.16.9 with SMTP id 9mr19438975tip.6.1228292485658; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:21:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.3.20 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:21:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7e764efe0812030021h5bd8499ewa466065a6ec5d3fc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:21:25 +0800 From: "khen lim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CB22EC19296F2F-16F8-1741@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F8A56EDD4C-AC8-C9E@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <4935E36D.2070303@chucknorcutt.com> <4935FB83.9060102@adinet.com.uy> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Any Moose sightings? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 09:21:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936419011978512572685 I could do better than you. I could change the format and US English to UK English for all his articles. That will most definitely get him to respond. K. 2008/12/3 Ken Norton > Maybe I need to write something to irk him? > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- Khen Lim - Zone-10 LLC, Des Moines, Iowa, USA "To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of people" - Emily Cox "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them" - Walt Disney -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 13:04:47 2008 Received: (qmail 29221 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 12:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 12:04:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4521C40F61 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:04:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DD9440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:04:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC05A34AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:04:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04CA34AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:04:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.243]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so3938197rvb.50 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.76.21 with SMTP id d21mr6293052rvl.34.1228305869386; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.204.2 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:04:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:04:29 +0100 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 13:04:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493675df319651234514069 > > . I wonder what > aperture was used by Chris. Perhaps the 100 F2 is the bokeh king for > portraits? > Mike it certainly ain't bad: http://www.myfourthirds.com/document.php?id=24990 I can say the 100/2 is my favourite OM lens. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 13:19:41 2008 Received: (qmail 11201 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 12:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 12:19:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9221C40F56 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:19:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FE3440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7562C34AC040 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:19:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C0834AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:19:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31442 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2008 12:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Dec 2008 12:19:32 -0000 Message-ID: <49367953.5070906@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:19:31 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 13:19:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936795d182921585427447 I remember that shot (and the girl). Well done. Chuck Norcutt iwert bernakiewicz wrote: >> . I wonder what >> aperture was used by Chris. Perhaps the 100 F2 is the bokeh king for >> portraits? >> Mike > > > it certainly ain't bad: > > http://www.myfourthirds.com/document.php?id=24990 > > I can say the 100/2 is my favourite OM lens. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 13:38:31 2008 Received: (qmail 31276 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 12:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 12:38:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5461C4050D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:38:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882E1440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFC319E4C5 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:38:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B395419E4B7 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:38:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:38:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KBA00KMZWG05WN2@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:38:24 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-83.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.83]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:38:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:38:24 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <8D6308A4FC2F4BFC8958A45440B95200@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgwUAL8MNkkYigtT/2dsb2JhbACBZ4gXyEgHgng X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,708,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="418106362" References: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <49367953.5070906@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] nuisence messages X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 13:38:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49367dc7314831073733319 Are there any other list members who are receiving one line emails every morning where the single line shows a URL? This morning's URL contained the word "chiropody". Looking at the headers behind this morning's message I discovered that the domain name part of the sender's address identified an office supplies company in Spokane, Washington. jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 13:52:37 2008 Received: (qmail 9294 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 12:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 12:52:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20FE31C40F3D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92876440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8159734AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:52:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C038834AC046 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:52:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mho-01-bos.mailhop.org (mho-01-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.178]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from aste-genev-bois-153-1-96-94.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr ([86.218.122.94] helo=[192.168.147.109]) by mho-01-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L7rDS-0003Q5-Ef for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:52:30 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 86.218.122.94 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX19fRp8/QGMvZ7x/VS5/F8jC In-Reply-To: <8D6308A4FC2F4BFC8958A45440B95200@hudson> References: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <49367953.5070906@chucknorcutt.com> <8D6308A4FC2F4BFC8958A45440B95200@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: From: Thomas Heide Clausen Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:52:36 +0100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] nuisence messages X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 13:52:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49368115155001499373980 Would those emails be received through the list, or not? Thomas On Dec 3, 2008, at 13:38 PM, John Hudson wrote: > Are there any other list members who are receiving one line emails > every > morning where the single line shows a URL? This morning's URL > contained the > word "chiropody". > > Looking at the headers behind this morning's message I discovered > that the > domain name part of the sender's address identified an office supplies > company in Spokane, Washington. > > jh > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 14:01:44 2008 Received: (qmail 1745 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 13:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 13:01:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22401C40F62 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17BF440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D017734AC040 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:01:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C7F34AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:01:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:01:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBA008HKXGIZCQC@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:00:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:01:37 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <14883a8b0812020722w6fd3549dp4a233441a64e2354@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <49368331.2030805@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <58c776e60812020440g4b275fecwe777cbe3447b0d59@mail.gmail.com> <493541EA.1010004@verizon.net> <14883a8b0812020722w6fd3549dp4a233441a64e2354@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] MF1 adapter (OM to 4/3) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 14:01:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49368338243309117217770 Does that version have the springs and resulting outside screw holes? ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Iwert is correct. The free adapter was the MA-1 and was only marked as > "4/3 adapter" and "Made in Japan". Also, I vaguely remember something about > the MA-1 being ever so slightly thinner than the MF-1, but I can't recall > the website where I read that. > > http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/any-lens.html > > Scroll down the "Lens Adapter". > > Charlie > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:01 AM, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > >> If I remember correctly the first batch which was given out for free was >> without any markings,so it does not have to be a knock off! >> >> Iwert >> >> 2008/12/2 John Hermanson >> >>> It's a knock-off. >>> ___________________________________ >>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>> >>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 14:08:18 2008 Received: (qmail 32473 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 13:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 13:08:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE531C40515 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F374440056 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:27:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0544319E9A3 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:27:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E120C19E991 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:27:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so75770ugf.21 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.54.19 with SMTP id c19mr404007eba.116.1227266875551; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?217.129.87.111? (ar-217-129-87-111.netvisao.pt [217.129.87.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm168212eyh.46.2008.11.21.03.27.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:27:54 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Message-Id: <659FC76E-04E6-4B10-9C52-1334069DDF04@gmail.com> From: ClaremontPhoto Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:27:50 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:08:10 -0800 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Thank you for your help yesterday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 14:08:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493684c2122601591313764 Tom and Piers: Thank you so much for helping me to get my OM2 SP camera and my T32 flash working for my project yesterday. Jon ClaremontPhoto -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 14:08:19 2008 Received: (qmail 27008 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 13:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 13:08:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8741E1C40F7F for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75537440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:13:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30AAD19E3A7 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:13:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99E019E383 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:13:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (Low) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (132.156.37.16 whitelisted by list.dnswl.org 8.2) Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:13:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:13:35 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:13:33 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4935A721.2010004@chucknorcutt.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] A treasure trove of old photo manuals thread-index: AclUxDBqoI0ep5IFTVGRce0jyUb9oQAfDHxQ References: <4935A721.2010004@chucknorcutt.com> From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2008 12:13:35.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[90A88180:01C95540] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:08:10 -0800 Subject: Re: [OM] A treasure trove of old photo manuals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 14:08:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493684c3231069347015869 Yes, a great resource. Got the manual for my Oly Chrome Six there. Likewise, was happy to give him a donation. Martin -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:23 PM To: Olympus mail list Subject: [OM] A treasure trove of old photo manuals Check out I think I had actually found and lost this site before but I stumbled on it again this morning and found a manual for my Argus C3 (my dad's first camera) and my Canon 540EZ flash (I had almost given up on that one). I dunno why "chinon" is in the path name but index-old.html is truly the starting point for hundreds if not thousands of manuals. I was so happy to find these I was more than willing to give him his suggested donation of $3/manual. But that's not necessary. Free if you like. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 14:08:19 2008 Received: (qmail 24352 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 13:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 13:08:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0005D1C40F86 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405A5440006 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2C334AC004 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:00:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF0B34AC00B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:00:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.ca9.3c5ed759 (37543) for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB024-5bc04935be0e114; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:00:41 -0500 Received: from mblk-d47 (mblk-d47.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.231]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA037-5bc04935be0e114; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:00:30 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:00:30 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:00:30 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:08:10 -0800 Subject: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 14:08:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493684c3257231073733319 Shhesh, The lens isn't noted for crummy bokeh. Jane Bown used it at F2.8 for her Queen portraits. I thought the 100/2.8 was in general a tad sharper but Moose corrected my incorrect general impression. I wonder what aperture was used by Chris. Perhaps the 100 F2 is the bokeh king for portraits? Mike http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2006/apr/02/featuresreview.review Yeah, the bokeh sucks, and surprisingly, the lens is a Zuiko 85mm f2. I bought the lens in Santa Fe because I got it for $50 and it looks nice, near perfect condition. It is a newer black-nose MC lens. I've always wanted to try the older silvernose version for comparison, since the optical formula changed on it over the years. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 14:10:20 2008 Received: (qmail 7741 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 13:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 13:10:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6C41C40F3D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191EE440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0332234AC048 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:10:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659DA34AC043 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:10:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KBA00KFKXWR5WR2@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:10:03 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-83.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.83]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:09:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:10:03 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <8B641F9E1620461493E2A75BF230AC50@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgwUALsTNkkYigtT/2dsb2JhbACBZ4gXyDsHgng X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,708,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="380594748" References: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <49367953.5070906@chucknorcutt.com> <8D6308A4FC2F4BFC8958A45440B95200@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] nuisence messages X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 14:10:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936853c168891342116753 No, they are coming directly into my in-box using the address I only use for list traffic. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Heide Clausen" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [OM] nuisence messages > Would those emails be received through the list, or not? > > Thomas > > On Dec 3, 2008, at 13:38 PM, John Hudson wrote: > >> Are there any other list members who are receiving one line emails >> every >> morning where the single line shows a URL? This morning's URL >> contained the >> word "chiropody". >> >> Looking at the headers behind this morning's message I discovered >> that the >> domain name part of the sender's address identified an office supplies >> company in Spokane, Washington. >> >> jh >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 14:10:24 2008 Received: (qmail 7683 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 13:10:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 13:10:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2101C40F44 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:10:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BE1440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9813219E62C for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:10:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590B719E5F2 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:10:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBA008XSXUKZGMC@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:08:45 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:10:03 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <49355EDE.1060805@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <4936852B.6080801@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <58c776e60812020440g4b275fecwe777cbe3447b0d59@mail.gmail.com> <493541EA.1010004@verizon.net> <14883a8b0812020722w6fd3549dp4a233441a64e2354@mail.gmail.com> <49355EDE.1060805@chucknorcutt.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] MF1 adapter (OM to 4/3) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 14:10:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493685404601499373980 I remember Olympus was the one who originally posted a picture of the = MA-1 on their own website. I copied it and put it up on mine, then = Olympus called me and asked me to take it down. Here's the original = picture: http://www.zuiko.com/index_020.htm ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I agree with Iwert and Charlie on the markings. Olympus unexpectedly = > and totally without comment sent me an MA-1 some time long after I wrote = > them a letter complaining about the lack of such an adapter before it = > was released. As I recall, I sold it to a list member since I never did = > buy an E-1. I was certain I had images of it taken for purposes of the = > sale but can't locate the images. I do remember being very surprised = > when JH announced the existence of the "MF-1" since what I had was not = > so marked. > = > Chuck Norcutt > = > = > Charles Geilfuss wrote: >> Iwert is correct. The free adapter was the MA-1 and was only marked as >> "4/3 adapter" and "Made in Japan". Also, I vaguely remember something ab= out >> the MA-1 being ever so slightly thinner than the MF-1, but I can't recall >> the website where I read that. >> >> http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/any-lens.html >> >> Scroll down the "Lens Adapter". >> >> Charlie >> >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:01 AM, iwert bernakiewicz w= rote: >> >>> If I remember correctly the first batch which was given out for free was >>> without any markings,so it does not have to be a knock off! >>> >>> Iwert >>> >>> 2008/12/2 John Hermanson >>> >>>> It's a knock-off. >>>> ___________________________________ >>>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Olli H=E4nninen wrote: >>>>> I am considering of buying a used MF1 adapter because I found one used >>>> for a >>>>> low price. (I have one but having an additional piece is always nice = in >>>> what >>>>> comes to olympus stuff :-) >>>>> >>>>> The seller wrote me that the adapter has no text "Olympus MF1" on it >>> but >>>>> that it looks just the same as MF1 and he bought it used in a same ca= se >>>> as >>>>> MF1. He thought it might be an older version of MF1. >>>>> >>>>> I started to seriously doubt whether it really is an olympus >>> manufactured >>>>> adapter. Do you happen to know whether MF1's have been produced with = no >>>>> Olympus-text on it? >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Olli >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com = >>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2= 008 9:31 AM >>> -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 14:14:19 2008 Received: (qmail 9839 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 13:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 13:14:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82AA1C40521 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E738440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C872419E651 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:14:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C119319E62D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:14:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:14:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23045 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2008 13:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Dec 2008 13:14:11 -0000 Message-ID: <49368623.7080407@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:14:11 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <49367953.5070906@chucknorcutt.com> <8D6308A4FC2F4BFC8958A45440B95200@hudson> <8B641F9E1620461493E2A75BF230AC50@hudson> In-Reply-To: <8B641F9E1620461493E2A75BF230AC50@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] nuisence messages X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 14:14:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936862b59381470116606 I haven't seen such. Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > No, they are coming directly into my in-box using the address I only use for > list traffic. > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Heide Clausen" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:52 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] nuisence messages > > >> Would those emails be received through the list, or not? >> >> Thomas >> >> On Dec 3, 2008, at 13:38 PM, John Hudson wrote: >> >>> Are there any other list members who are receiving one line emails >>> every >>> morning where the single line shows a URL? This morning's URL >>> contained the >>> word "chiropody". >>> >>> Looking at the headers behind this morning's message I discovered >>> that the >>> domain name part of the sender's address identified an office supplies >>> company in Spokane, Washington. >>> >>> jh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1825 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 8:44 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 14:16:38 2008 Received: (qmail 19322 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 13:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 13:16:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDE41C40F3D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89870440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E8619E655 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:16:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1C019E63E for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:16:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:16:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23805 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2008 13:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Dec 2008 13:16:31 -0000 Message-ID: <493686AF.60502@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:16:31 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <58c776e60812020440g4b275fecwe777cbe3447b0d59@mail.gmail.com> <493541EA.1010004@verizon.net> <14883a8b0812020722w6fd3549dp4a233441a64e2354@mail.gmail.com> <49355EDE.1060805@chucknorcutt.com> <4936852B.6080801@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4936852B.6080801@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [OM] MF1 adapter (OM to 4/3) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 14:16:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493686b6259631823421471 Yup, that's what I had. I don't recall who I sold it to but it was a list member. Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > I remember Olympus was the one who originally posted a picture of the > MA-1 on their own website. I copied it and put it up on mine, then > Olympus called me and asked me to take it down. Here's the original > picture: > > http://www.zuiko.com/index_020.htm > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 14:17:12 2008 Received: (qmail 26394 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 13:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 13:17:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29411C40F50 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2013440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:17:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDE534AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:17:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B0234AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:17:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:17:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L7rbB-0005xD-IJ for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:17:01 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <58c776e60812020440g4b275fecwe777cbe3447b0d59@mail.gmail.com><493541EA.1010004@verizon.net><14883a8b0812020722w6fd3549dp4a233441a64e2354@mail.gmail.com> <49368331.2030805@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:16:58 -0000 Message-ID: <3C0D2373A3144655AF639AB97196F288@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclVR0xsqGOgdJZITRmNbefbmWuQWwAAaqYw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <49368331.2030805@verizon.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081202-0, 02/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] MF1 adapter (OM to 4/3) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 14:17:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493686d8253561499373980 Better to look at this page on Wrotniak's website: http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/omz.html Which has the following images: Here is an image of an MF-1: http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/_img/acc/adapt/mf-1.jpg This shows the wording on an MF-1: http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/_img/acc/adapt/mf1-m.jpg And this shows the wording an an MA-1 http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/_img/acc/adapt/ma1-m.jpg -----Original Message----- Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Iwert is correct. The free adapter was the MA-1 and was only marked > as > "4/3 adapter" and "Made in Japan". Also, I vaguely remember something > about the MA-1 being ever so slightly thinner than the MF-1, but I > can't recall the website where I read that. > > http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/any-lens.html > > Scroll down the "Lens Adapter". > > Charlie > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:01 AM, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > >> If I remember correctly the first batch which was given out for free >> was without any markings,so it does not have to be a knock off! >> >> Iwert >> >> 2008/12/2 John Hermanson >> >>> It's a knock-off. >>> ___________________________________ >>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>> >>> -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 14:50:05 2008 Received: (qmail 22789 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 13:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 13:50:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F48F1C40F41 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74411440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6376534AC046 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:49:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF7634AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:49:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so2030192nfc.20 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:49:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.244.19 with SMTP id w19mr6022296mur.134.1228312195149; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:49:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:49:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:49:55 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <7e764efe0812030021h5bd8499ewa466065a6ec5d3fc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CB22EC19296F2F-16F8-1741@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F8A56EDD4C-AC8-C9E@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <4935E36D.2070303@chucknorcutt.com> <4935FB83.9060102@adinet.com.uy> <7e764efe0812030021h5bd8499ewa466065a6ec5d3fc@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 88456e970aa9fd5e Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Any Moose sightings? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 14:50:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49368e8d230071234514069 Khen wrote: >I could do better than you. I could change the format and US English to UK English for all his articles. >That will most definitely get him to respond. Now THAT is just plain cruel! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 14:57:08 2008 Received: (qmail 15717 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 13:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 13:57:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC601C40F39 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:57:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92681440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8991D34AC040 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:57:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61E334AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:57:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so2032168nfc.20 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.248.17 with SMTP id a17mr6024384mus.97.1228312620192; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:56:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:56:59 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1d415ba06ba0443b Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 14:57:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49369034236391946193717 The bokeh issue is part optics, part film. I have noticed that high-speed films--even Delta 400 pushed two stops, don't react the same to bokeh as lower-speed films. You will see this with digital too. A lens which works great on film isn't necessarily so great on digital. My 100/2.8 is awesome on film, hohum on the E-1. I suspect that it has to do with USM. What does USM have to do with film? During the development process, some film-developer combinations allow substantial grain migration which forms the same type of edge brightness artifacts as USM. (halos and such). AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 15:12:10 2008 Received: (qmail 24774 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 14:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 14:12:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BEFD1C40F44 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:12:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681D8440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D1B34AC046 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:12:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F84B34AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:12:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.245]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so3985653rvb.50 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.249.20 with SMTP id w20mr6349618rvh.6.1228313522171; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.204.2 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:12:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:12:02 +0100 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] img: morning walk to school X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 15:12:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493693ba299551869477228 I did some experimenting with a nice little program "poladroid": http://www.myfourthirds.com/document.php?id=50053 our youngest (by 15 minutes :) enjoying the unexpected snow this morning! iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 15:24:58 2008 Received: (qmail 515 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 14:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 14:24:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2641C40F4C for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:24:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C47440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE6034AC040 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:24:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B799A34AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:24:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 04 Dec 2008 01:24:47 +1100 Message-ID: <100-ae963649-26723.003@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:24:46 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <8B641F9E1620461493E2A75BF230AC50@hudson> References: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <49367953.5070906@chucknorcutt.com> <8D6308A4FC2F4BFC8958A45440B95200@hudson> <8B641F9E1620461493E2A75BF230AC50@hudson> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] nuisence messages X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 15:24:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493696ba187202336821329 Hi John, > No, they are coming directly into my in-box using the address I only use for > list traffic. I'm not seeing them but then the email address your are using for the list could be picked up by an infected listee's PC or a bot trawling or just about anything. I wouldnt worry about it to much. It's a fact of life that if you use an email address, it will end up on a spammers list somewere. As I run my own servers with RBL's/filtering, and ClamAV with additional database's, only about 1 in 1000 spam's get through but then I'm one of the lucky few :-) If you know how to view the raw email including headers, feel free to send it to me OFFLIST. If you use Outlook or Outlook express, dont bother forwarding the email to me as they strip and/or alter the headers. I dont have any windows machines here at present so cant even look to tell you what to do to view, then cut n paste the headers. Do a search with Google or check help, it will probably tell you how to do it. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ I started out with nothing & still have most of it left. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 15:53:41 2008 Received: (qmail 26495 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 14:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 14:53:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FF51C40F54 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:53:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40B2440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:53:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA0234AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:53:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C5334AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:53:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:53:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L7t6Z-0006Yf-FJ for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:53:31 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <659FC76E-04E6-4B10-9C52-1334069DDF04@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:53:28 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclVSDYTU3IUmJ5VSLmfjadG4P+BIQADl0ag X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <659FC76E-04E6-4B10-9C52-1334069DDF04@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081202-0, 02/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Thank you for your help yesterday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 15:53:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49369d75265763675314703 Chuck deserves acknowledgement too, and from what I have seen on rangefinderforum, I suspect our old friend George Shihanian also weighed in. It seems he hasn't forgotten what it takes to drive an OM. Piers -----Original Message----- From: ClaremontPhoto [mailto:claremontphoto@gmail.com] Sent: 21 November 2008 11:28 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] Thank you for your help yesterday Tom and Piers: Thank you so much for helping me to get my OM2 SP camera and my T32 flash working for my project yesterday. Jon ClaremontPhoto -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 16:56:19 2008 Received: (qmail 2857 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 15:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 15:56:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0C31C40F4B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D318440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:56:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7811334AC051 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:56:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1D934AC056 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:56:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so2217361yxi.80 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:55:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.103.13 with SMTP id a13mr7380585agc.69.1228319754219; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:55:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.104.5 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:55:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <58c776e60812030755j59bc0c5fubd586637ed504b5f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:55:54 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Olli_H=E4nninen?=" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <3C0D2373A3144655AF639AB97196F288@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <58c776e60812020440g4b275fecwe777cbe3447b0d59@mail.gmail.com> <493541EA.1010004@verizon.net> <14883a8b0812020722w6fd3549dp4a233441a64e2354@mail.gmail.com> <49368331.2030805@verizon.net> <3C0D2373A3144655AF639AB97196F288@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] MF1 adapter (OM to 4/3) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 16:56:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936ac2380311234514069 Thanks alot for all your information and replyes! With this information I was able to confirm that the adapter I am interested in is MA-1. So it is worth purchasing it! Olli 2008/12/3 Piers Hemy > Better to look at this page on Wrotniak's website: > http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/omz.html > Which has the following images: > > Here is an image of an MF-1: > http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/_img/acc/adapt/mf-1.jpg > > This shows the wording on an MF-1: > http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/_img/acc/adapt/mf1-m.jpg > > And this shows the wording an an MA-1 > http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/_img/acc/adapt/ma1-m.jpg > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Charles Geilfuss wrote: > > Iwert is correct. The free adapter was the MA-1 and was only marked > > as > > "4/3 adapter" and "Made in Japan". Also, I vaguely remember something > > about the MA-1 being ever so slightly thinner than the MF-1, but I > > can't recall the website where I read that. > > > > http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/any-lens.html > > > > Scroll down the "Lens Adapter". > > > > Charlie > > > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:01 AM, iwert bernakiewicz > wrote: > > > >> If I remember correctly the first batch which was given out for free > >> was without any markings,so it does not have to be a knock off! > >> > >> Iwert > >> > >> 2008/12/2 John Hermanson > >> > >>> It's a knock-off. > >>> ___________________________________ > >>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > >>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > >>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > >>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 > >>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > >>> > >>> > -- > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 17:12:15 2008 Received: (qmail 4444 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 16:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 16:12:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118261C40F7E for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:12:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF80440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:11:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1719534AC049 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:11:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D1734AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:11:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.157]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so2222886yxi.80 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.47.1 with SMTP id z1mr8286341waj.133.1228320713893; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:11:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.198.20 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:11:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812030811p7eb4d627x5a53ce0733e326b7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:11:53 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 615a4c74bbf99a26 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] img: morning walk to school X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 17:12:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936afdf86261470116606 Nice! but no snow here (yet) Jez On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:12 PM, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > I did some experimenting with a nice little program "poladroid": > http://www.myfourthirds.com/document.php?id=50053 > > our youngest (by 15 minutes :) enjoying the unexpected snow this morning! > > iwert > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 17:21:23 2008 Received: (qmail 14441 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 16:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 16:21:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD3A1C40F5A for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09A3440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1C534AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:21:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C9834AC043 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:21:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:21:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBB005SS6RBXOF0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:21:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:21:22 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <8D6308A4FC2F4BFC8958A45440B95200@hudson> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <4936B202.9020702@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <49367953.5070906@chucknorcutt.com> <8D6308A4FC2F4BFC8958A45440B95200@hudson> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] nuisence messages X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 17:21:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936b203273282336821329 I am not getting those (possibly verizon is pre-filtering it for me). ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html John Hudson wrote: > Are there any other list members who are receiving one line emails every > morning where the single line shows a URL? This morning's URL contained the > word "chiropody". > > Looking at the headers behind this morning's message I discovered that the > domain name part of the sender's address identified an office supplies > company in Spokane, Washington. > > jh > > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 17:26:41 2008 Received: (qmail 11040 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 16:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 16:26:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF161C40F50 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:26:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF0A440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:26:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0992819EC6A for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:26:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.495 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.495 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7120219EC5E for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:26:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:26:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <10195382.52481228322075673.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-61-153.iburst.co.za ([41.213.61.153]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 3 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:34:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:26:21 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 17:26:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936b341149011023412894 Ken, Without the insight of having actually experienced such differences across different films, I must question your "part optics, part film" statement below (or would love to see different examples). In my experience, unsharp masking, artificial sharpening, or even different developers with different film grain characteristics always alter the effect of the photograph at a micro level, i.e. directly around high-contrast edges. Since a blurred background has almost no micro-features (or, at least 'good' bokeh does not, it should all be a smooth blur), I cannot for the life of me imagine the film or developing having an effect on it, apart from overall contrast changes? If that were so, it would 10x more drastically alter the structural character of the in-focus areas? What I have found, however, is that the actual nature of the background has a big effect on the bokeh of a lens. For example, Canon's EF 50mm f/1.2L has still, to this day, the best bokeh of any lens I have ever personally owned (though I must say the Zuiko 90mm f/2.0 Macro is fast changing that perception) - the backgrounds of images have a dreamy, deep smoothness which you could fall into. For example, have a look at these two images I made using it: http://fc26.deviantart.com/fs22/f/2007/316/7/c/A_growing_loneliness_by_philosomatographer.jpg http://fc23.deviantart.com/fs23/f/2008/017/b/0/The_Wrong_Era_by_philosomatographer.jpg Yet, under some peculiar lighting conditions, it renders harsh halos around point light sources, with a dramatically different look to it. I think it all depends on the light and the objects in the background of the photograph... Perhaps, when you have been pushing Delta 400, you have also been using it in low-light, harsh conditions, hence the different character? On 03 Dec 2008, at 3:56 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > The bokeh issue is part optics, part film. I have noticed that high- > speed > films--even Delta 400 pushed two stops, don't react the same to > bokeh as > lower-speed films. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 17:30:47 2008 Received: (qmail 25670 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 16:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 16:30:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D48C1C40F42 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF09440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:30:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3CB19EC96 for ; 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Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032B9254811D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:30:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <18624520-2F62-4FE8-B55D-4CD8BF95CDF3@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:30:32 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 17:30:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936b43710281591313764 > From: "Ian Manners" > > It's also the same reason that you shouldnt use NiCad's > in female vibrators, NiCad's overheat the motor... due to the = > enclosed nature of the motor, Not to mention the enclosed nature of this particular use, although I = imagine a little extra heat in this case would not be altogether = unpleasant. :::: ECONOMIST: a person who, upon encountering an auditorium = containing 48,000 destitute, unemployed people and Bill Gates, says, = =93On average, I see a room full of millionaires!=94 :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org :::: -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 17:33:36 2008 Received: (qmail 24835 invoked by uid 0); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 17:33:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936b4e0169671993019900 > From: Frank van Lindert > > It is impossible to say if using NiMH cells could > indeed damage the camera or not. "Impossible?" Just plug them in to find out! It's called "destructive testing." :-) FWIW: Olympus used to have a similar warning on its flashes. I've been using NiMH cells in them for years, with no obvious trouble. :::: We in America today are nearer to the final triumph over poverty than ever before in the history of any land. -- Herbert Hoover, 1928 :::: Jan Steinman -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 17:38:30 2008 Received: (qmail 17259 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 16:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 16:38:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444051C40F5E for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F34440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:38:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAB234AC040 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:38:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFEFB34AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:38:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 19 days 09:38:00 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E3B2548800 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:38:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qu6xyf26RZOL for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:38:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AEE25487F1 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:38:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <111FA0DA-EC5E-4542-8DDF-1679D75896FF@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:38:16 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] MF1 adapter (OM to 4/3) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 17:38:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936b606187641499373980 > From: "iwert bernakiewicz" > > If I remember correctly the first batch which was given out for free > was > without any markings,so it does not have to be a knock off! Yes, I have one of those. Came directly from Olympus, in a little faux- leather box. Unmarked in any way. I think when they were giving those out, they were more afraid of people not buying new lenses than they were of losing old customers, and didn't want to be seen as promoting such conversions. :::: You must be the change you wish to see in the world -- Ghandi :::: :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.EcoReality.org :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 17:57:22 2008 Received: (qmail 7464 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 16:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 16:57:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FFAC1C40F58 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:57:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF30440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:57:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C7419ED59 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:57:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA7019ED44 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:57:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 19 days 09:56:41 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04672549CDD for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:57:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LOp9Q2brvDxf for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DFB2549CCC for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:56:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <0D4CBC87-4EB2-4ABC-BB80-9A192C24D648@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:56:53 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 17:57:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936ba7262861702588592 > From: Chuck Norcutt > > Thanks, but it must be getting late. I think you must have meant to > say > "alkaline" wherever you mentioned NiMH. Probably not; NiMH have higher internal resistance than NiCd, although still lower than carbon-zinc. :::: Continued casualty accumulation exhibits potential to jeopardize mission success. -- Major General Richard Zilmer :::: :::: Jan Steinman, Bytesmiths :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 18:03:40 2008 Received: (qmail 27219 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 17:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 17:03:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B7F1C40F63 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBE5440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E39634AC046 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:03:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10D134AC043 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:03:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:03:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6124F3140BA for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:24:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2341C3140A8 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:24:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4936BBE8.6010000@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:03:36 -0800 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081203-0, 12/03/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] Anyone else tried infrared with E3 - and some other X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 18:03:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936bbec158111869477228 > > ...clearly my first effort is rubbish. Actually I thought it made a rather nice abstract, spots and all. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 18:08:43 2008 Received: (qmail 27568 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 17:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 17:08:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34181C40F39 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:08:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59C3440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC38534AC04F for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:08:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46A634AC040 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:08:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so2240951yxi.80 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.222.1 with SMTP id z1mr6215151muq.51.1228324114127; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:08:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:08:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:08:34 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <10195382.52481228322075673.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <10195382.52481228322075673.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4332e117360e0718 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 18:08:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936bd1b74291035110158 When you apply USM (unsharp mask) to an image that contains gradients, what can happen is the change from a smooth gradient to a stair-step. Depending on the lens design, focal-length, and aperture, the bokeh of an out-of-focus highlight will look like an balloon with a soft edge. Depending on these three factors, the transition between what I will refer to the "umbra" (solid balloon) to the "penumbra" (the fade-zone) is what makes or breaks the bokeh. Some combinations will yield a wide penumbra, whereas others have nearly no penumbra. Sometimes, you will encounter a lens-aperture combination where the penumbra wraps back onto itself and you'll get a bright rim around the balloon. This is very common with wide-angle lenses with asymmetric lens elements where they induce astigmatism when shot wide-open. In some extreme cases, with wide-angle zooms, you'll actually get donuts. A lens, which is "symmetrical" in design, such as those typically used on large-format cameras will usually have have the penumbra starting immediately from the center of the OOF (out of focus) highlight) and will have a relatively smooth roll-off all the way out. If you apply a bit too much USM to a photo, a lens which produces a narrow penumbra will show a relatively smooth, but short transition without USM, but will "donut" with USM. Backing off USM from "donut mode" will create a harsh step and essentially eliminate the penumbra. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 19:41:25 2008 Received: (qmail 23144 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 18:41:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 18:41:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7B91C40F5A for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879F3440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:41:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A1A19F164 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:41:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CD419F149 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:41:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52CDC977A for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:00:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8B641F9E1620461493E2A75BF230AC50@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:41:14 +0000 References: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <49367953.5070906@chucknorcutt.com> <8D6308A4FC2F4BFC8958A45440B95200@hudson> <8B641F9E1620461493E2A75BF230AC50@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] nuisence messages X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 19:41:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936d2d520037927319144 It's spam, John. If you want to find out where they are really originating, try joining Spamcop at www.spamcop.net. Chris On 3 Dec 2008, at 13:10, John Hudson wrote: > No, they are coming directly into my in-box using the address I only > use for > list traffic. > > John -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 20:44:30 2008 Received: (qmail 17662 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 19:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 19:44:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D871C40F40 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:44:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737F9440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0E134AC04F for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:44:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.495 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.495 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0AA34AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:44:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:44:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <11215014.52631228333945216.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-61-153.iburst.co.za ([41.213.61.153]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 760 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:52:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:44:10 +0200 References: <10195382.52481228322075673.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 20:44:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936e19e316909117217770 Ah, point taken - but I still think the difference is only enough to push "almost ugly" bokeh to "ugly bokeh". I have never seen any amount of USM or contrast pushing turn truly smooth, pleasing bokeh into harsh, ugly bokeh. Similarly, strong USM introducing stair-stepping is not something I have seen in anything better than an 8-bit-per-channel file, and certainly never with film! I have also found symmetrical large-format lenses to have beautiful bokeh. I am no expert, but I do use a Schneider Super-Angulon 90mm f/5.6 XL quite regularly, and even when stopped down, the background blur is beautiful, it sucks your eyes in... keep well! Dawid On 03 Dec 2008, at 7:08 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > When you apply USM (unsharp mask) to an image that contains > gradients, what > can happen is the change from a smooth gradient to a stair-step. > > Depending on the lens design, focal-length, and aperture, the bokeh > of an > out-of-focus highlight will look like an balloon with a soft edge. > Depending on these three factors, the transition between what I will > refer > to the "umbra" (solid balloon) to the "penumbra" (the fade-zone) is > what > makes or breaks the bokeh. > > Some combinations will yield a wide penumbra, whereas others have > nearly no > penumbra. Sometimes, you will encounter a lens-aperture combination > where > the penumbra wraps back onto itself and you'll get a bright rim > around the > balloon. This is very common with wide-angle lenses with asymmetric > lens > elements where they induce astigmatism when shot wide-open. In some > extreme > cases, with wide-angle zooms, you'll actually get donuts. > > A lens, which is "symmetrical" in design, such as those typically > used on > large-format cameras will usually have have the penumbra starting > immediately from the center of the OOF (out of focus) highlight) and > will > have a relatively smooth roll-off all the way out. > > If you apply a bit too much USM to a photo, a lens which produces a > narrow > penumbra will show a relatively smooth, but short transition without > USM, > but will "donut" with USM. Backing off USM from "donut mode" will > create a > harsh step and essentially eliminate the penumbra. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 21:11:55 2008 Received: (qmail 5031 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 20:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 20:11:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18CC1C40F5A for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:11:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F85D04067 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E2219F449 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:11:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0935519F461 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:11:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.127]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27947 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2008 20:11:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2TTKZ7YVM1mVAiessqLp3_ddhg71Cn2IfCV5AixzR.g11FE8XuKuJSQ9jZW7CpgrN2sNdgFKjnKYjSLvlMvGNu1TdCippIJOo6RPdZU2wTPkPwZ1ceoswld1Jpncrd7KwOYKY0QehTx2DoPaUsfIjc6GaXRuvZVm.vx3Au.RHGlY3G4YO7muMCfKeI8F Received: from [173.96.228.202] by web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:11:45 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:11:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <388326.27753.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] A few shots today at work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 21:11:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936e80b100191869477228 =A0 I wanted to show a few shots I took this morning at work, shot with my = E-1 and 14-54.http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080661044/http://ww= w.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080635436/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080644296/http://www.flickr.com/p= hotos/proud-texan/3079788519/Jerry Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 21:54:58 2008 Received: (qmail 8898 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 20:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 20:54:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B54B43026A for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:54:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68399440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:54:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA6134AC043 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:54:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DE834AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:54:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:54:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9570 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2008 20:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Dec 2008 20:54:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4936F218.2060405@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:54:48 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] img: morning walk to school X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 21:54:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936f222273851342116753 Very nice shot. Chuck Norcutt iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > I did some experimenting with a nice little program "poladroid": > http://www.myfourthirds.com/document.php?id=50053 > > our youngest (by 15 minutes :) enjoying the unexpected snow this morning! > > iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 22:05:15 2008 Received: (qmail 447 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 21:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 21:05:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62714301B1 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF250440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A566034AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:04:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC2034AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:04:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16450 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2008 21:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Dec 2008 21:04:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4936F478.6060908@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:04:56 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1D59BA86-8090-4C69-9C82-C2A3F65315A1@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <1D59BA86-8090-4C69-9C82-C2A3F65315A1@Bytesmiths.com> Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 22:05:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936f48b275001499373980 It turns out that the Ricoh FF-90 P&S in question claims to do more than 100 rolls of 24 exposure film on a pair of alkaline batteries with no flash usage and 10 rolls with heavy flash usage. He'll have gone broke on film and processing before he's ever ready for the second set of batteries. At about $1 for a pair the destructive test just isn't worth it even on a $10 camera. Chuck Norcutt Jan Steinman wrote: >> From: Frank van Lindert >> >> It is impossible to say if using NiMH cells could >> indeed damage the camera or not. > > "Impossible?" Just plug them in to find out! It's called "destructive > testing." :-) > > FWIW: Olympus used to have a similar warning on its flashes. I've been > using NiMH cells in them for years, with no obvious trouble. > > :::: We in America today are nearer to the final triumph over poverty > than ever before in the history of any land. -- Herbert Hoover, 1928 > :::: Jan Steinman > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1826 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 9:34 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 22:06:11 2008 Received: (qmail 7285 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 21:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 21:06:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDCC430127 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6303E440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29AA434AC043 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:06:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8093F34AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:06:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17118 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2008 21:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Dec 2008 21:06:03 -0000 Message-ID: <4936F4BB.1020104@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:06:03 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0D4CBC87-4EB2-4ABC-BB80-9A192C24D648@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <0D4CBC87-4EB2-4ABC-BB80-9A192C24D648@Bytesmiths.com> Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 22:06:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936f4c3154031823421471 I stand corrected. I thought NiMH could deliver an even higher current than NiCad. Chuck Norcutt Jan Steinman wrote: >> From: Chuck Norcutt >> >> Thanks, but it must be getting late. I think you must have meant to >> say >> "alkaline" wherever you mentioned NiMH. > > Probably not; NiMH have higher internal resistance than NiCd, although > still lower than carbon-zinc. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 22:14:41 2008 Received: (qmail 31021 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 21:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 21:14:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14132430253 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:14:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943E2440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:14:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF7C34AC040 for ; 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Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:14:31 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:14:31 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] MF1 adapter (OM to 4/3) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 22:14:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936f6c1270491529615919 > Piers Hemy wrote: > > Better to look at this page on Wrotniak's website: > http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/omz.html > Which has the following images: > > Here is an image of an MF-1: > http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/_img/acc/adapt/mf-1.jpg Looks like the same one as John H borrowed from Oly. > > This shows the wording on an MF-1: > http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/_img/acc/adapt/mf1-m.jpg > > And this shows the wording an an MA-1 > http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/_img/acc/adapt/ma1-m.jpg > It also shows the difference in thickness between the MA-1 & MF-1 ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 22:23:50 2008 Received: (qmail 16204 invoked by uid 0); 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Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:23:32 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 22:23:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936f8e6123291529615919 Couple of interesting points. The converse of AG's situation also appears to be true. The Z. 200/4 seems to have very nice bokeh on the E-1 but so-so on film. I remember iwert's wonderful portrait and am glad he provided the link again. I suspect the 100/2 has nice bokeh on film FF. Why use USM on the background which can only harshen the bokeh, unless time limits selecting out the subject? Mike The bokeh issue is part optics, part film. I have noticed that high-speed films--even Delta 400 pushed two stops, don't react the same to bokeh as lower-speed films. You will see this with digital too. A lens which works great on film isn't necessarily so great on digital. My 100/2.8 is awesome on film, hohum on the E-1. I suspect that it has to do with USM. What does USM have to do with film? During the development process, some film-developer combinations allow substantial grain migration which forms the same type of edge brightness artifacts as USM. (halos and such). AG > > . I wonder what > aperture was used by Chris. Perhaps the 100 F2 is the bokeh king for > portraits? > Mike it certainly ain't bad: http://www.myfourthirds.com/document.php?id=24990 I can say the 100/2 is my favourite OM lens. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 22:25:59 2008 Received: (qmail 10377 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 21:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 21:25:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E885E4301B1 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E8B440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:25:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26BAD19F866 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:25:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCD919F862 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:25:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:25:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28198 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2008 21:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Dec 2008 21:25:53 -0000 Message-ID: <4936F960.5000908@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:25:52 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <388326.27753.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <388326.27753.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] A few shots today at work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 22:25:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936f967194669117217770 I didn't see them all (the links are whacked up) but the first one is gorgeous. Chuck Norcutt Jerry Smith wrote: > I wanted to show a few shots I took this morning at work, shot with my E-1 and 14-54.http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080661044/http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080635436/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080644296/http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3079788519/Jerry > Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1826 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 9:34 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 22:26:53 2008 Received: (qmail 16097 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 21:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 21:26:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AB24301BA for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF0A440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:26:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D46119F86D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:26:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EC519F867 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:26:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:26:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 46C0EE3EH9 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:26:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:26:44 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:26:44 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4936F960.5000908@chucknorcutt.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] A few shots today at work Thread-Index: AclVjb0dOy8hkB5kRP2nPKfTTNK7bQAAAj7w From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2008 21:26:44.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[D730A950:01C9558D] Subject: Re: [OM] A few shots today at work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 22:26:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936f99d311411035110158 His links all ran together in my inbox. Had to copy them out and separate them. Yes, they're all very nice. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:26 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] A few shots today at work I didn't see them all (the links are whacked up) but the first one is gorgeous. Chuck Norcutt Jerry Smith wrote: > I wanted to show a few shots I took this morning at work, shot with > my E-1 and 14-54.http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080661044/http://www.fli ckr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080635436/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080644296/http://www.flickr.co m/photos/proud-texan/3079788519/Jerry > Life is not a race, it is a ride. 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 22:27:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936f9dd232371035110158 On Dec 3, 2008, at 1:23 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > Couple of interesting points. The converse of AG's situation also > appears to be true. The Z. 200/4 seems to have very nice bokeh on > the > E-1 but so-so on film. I remember iwert's wonderful portrait and am > glad he provided the link again. I suspect the 100/2 has nice bokeh > on > film > FF. Why use USM on the background which can only harshen the bokeh, > unless time limits selecting out the subject? > > Mike Ditto, so-so on OM1n, brilliant (for the most part, highlights notwithstanding) on the E3. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 22:29:43 2008 Received: (qmail 20999 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 21:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 21:29:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D031C40F58 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A5C440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:29:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D95919F86E for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:29:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18ED519F865 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:29:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:29:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.172]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB3LTUp7032058 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:29:30 +1100 Message-Id: <200812032129.mB3LTUp7032058@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:29:30 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:29:30 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 22:29:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936fa4739102070262475 > Dawid Loubser wrote: > > Ken, > > Without the insight of having actually experienced such differences > across > different films, I must question your "part optics, part film" statement > below (or would love to see different examples). > You can't reasonably compare lens characteristics unless you use the same subject under the same lighting conditions. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 22:34:07 2008 Received: (qmail 17383 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 21:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 21:34:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24171C40F3B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:34:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6850440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C252319F87E for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:33:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8F219F87F for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:33:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d04.47858325 (37059) for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB045-5bb04936fb322c9; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:33:45 -0500 Received: from MBLK-M42 (mblk-m42.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.86]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA017-5bb04936fb322c9; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:33:38 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:33:38 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 170.223.203.208 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 170.223.203.208 by MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.86) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:33:38 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB23A5F090420C-C50-8F3@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Any Moose sightings? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 22:34:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4936fb4f122101470116606 Ahha, Thanks for the info. I suspect the eloquent, occasionally sharp tongued list logician will have a few spicy retorts upon his return. Mike He's on a trip somewhere near Seattle visiting with someone with DSL web access which he hasn't been able to link up with for some reason. I've had two short, private messages from him (11/23, 11/25) when he chanced to be somewhere with his laptop and could latch onto someone's wifi connection. He said he had managed to download a lot of messages but I guess replying must be too difficult. Anyhow, I assume he is still well. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 23:10:11 2008 Received: (qmail 27636 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 22:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 22:10:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60608430453 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5558440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B070919F906 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:10:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431CD19F902 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:10:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.191]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so788272gve.21 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.40.5 with SMTP id s5mr6477731muj.93.1228342201582; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:10:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:10:01 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3b009428158b80dd Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 23:10:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493703c3302917927319144 Further to the film-digital bokeh bruhaha... My 100/2.8 is awesome on film, not so awesome on digital. My 200/4 is also amazing on digital, but not as stellar on film. The 24/2.8 is OK on film, but excellent on digital. The 35/2.8 is just beautiful on both. One thing that has me wondering about Chris' 85/2. I recall that one list-member had a 35/2 which had a reversed element in it. It would not be out of the realm of possibility that Chris' 85/2 also has a reversed element. With a reversed element, you could still have a sharp lens, but the focus scale would probably be slightly off. Even with the newer floating-element 85/2 lens design, I cannot imagine that bokeh would be that much different than earlier 85/2 designs. My 100/2.8 is somehow very unique and I'm with Chris that it is a favorite. It is a bit long for portraiture--except for head-shots, but I find myself looking for opportunities to use the lens. You start to look at the world with 100mm blinders on. Two new lenses just came to live at the unofficial "Olympus Living History Farm" and I am looking forward to learning how to maximize their own unique characteristics on "Bodies Olympus" both digital and film. Related to this, we will be testing all lenses at the OLHF on the E-3 (no, not mine) at all apertures on a resolution chart and the results will be posted on www.zone-10.com. I'd use the E-1, but most classic Zuikos far exceed the resolving ability of the sensor. We are also experimenting with a "bokeh test fixture", again for all lenses at all apertures. AG-Farmer-Schnozz Head Ranch Hand Olympus Living History Farm -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 23:15:13 2008 Received: (qmail 27758 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 22:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 22:15:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1304304FD for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41CCF440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBE419F913 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:15:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C46519F906 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:15:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so2157189nfc.20 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.217.5 with SMTP id u5mr6488743muq.118.1228342504849; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:15:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:15:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:15:04 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <388326.27753.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <388326.27753.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d93db64aa7be122c Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A few shots today at work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 23:15:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493704f1225741702588592 Beautiful! This is one set of pictures, however, that I would have loved to have seen on K25. The gradients in the sky are lovely, but K25 would have turned them magical. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 23:21:55 2008 Received: (qmail 12663 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 22:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 22:21:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA934302CC for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B92440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30FE19F92D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:21:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE29F19F929 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:21:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.126]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:21:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25827 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2008 22:21:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zi1hM80VM1lp.uijf7j.1F_Ogg5rpkNB65QofAsvkFtnfu7TESslSG9H0YDGV3RfeKpPsUfp5oaTn2NovoDCUh5e3DOelXmTBCLfs.n5GBhAkjhxFeZf_0h264o3rZ4AgFd0eedm_kRHL2h5fMfFkKwTs16pJSBLahzXjQ_JhPe6mOK7xsMfi7Y2T0iz Received: from [71.97.4.235] by web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:21:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:21:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <275289.25766.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] A few shots at work-darn it X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 23:21:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49370683171102046811720 =A0=A0 I don't know what is wrong with my email, I type everything out and = it all looks normal. Then when I see it come back up it's all run together = like that. I double spaced between every link, of the four I sent. When I r= eceived it back it was all one line. Very irritating, I will try again with= the links to flicker. =A0 =A0 http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3079794069/ =A0 http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080635436/ =A0 =A0=A0=A0 Has anyone=A0ever seen this happen? I've been noticing it for a f= ew weeks but have never seen it this bad. I don't know if it is a problem w= ith my=A0laptop or yahoo. This email is sent from my wifes laptop, so that = may answer something. Thanks for looking and thanks for the comments. =A0 Jerry=A0 Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 23:22:34 2008 Received: (qmail 3304 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 22:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 22:22:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4646430211 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9751B440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A02219F92D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:22:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D2319F926 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:22:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:22:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so3797395ugf.21 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.217.5 with SMTP id u5mr6493155muq.42.1228342946501; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:22:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:22:26 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4934C16A.4090906@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4934B581.5000806@spokeandsprocket.com> <307A9CC2-F61C-4DD7-82C7-ED9E23807089@wildskies.net> <4934C16A.4090906@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 27dc6d497701a1fb Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT Image : Sunnyvale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 23:22:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493706aa49111257536491 A dog's view of the world. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 23:23:45 2008 Received: (qmail 24168 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 22:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 22:23:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56736430230 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B383440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CB519F92F for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:23:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BD419F930 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:23:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl35.gs02.gridserver.com (cl35.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.44]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50677 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl35.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L808A-000143-C9 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:23:38 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:23:36 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] On free film... Thread-Index: AclVlciNBx0jKcGJEd2j/gAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 23:23:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493706f1122121585427447 Wow, a reversed element, how did he figure that one out? I'd be afraid to take it apart to see. I have books here showing the optical diagrams of the older and newer versions of the 85 and they are quite a bit different looking, so I guess they could render differently. My lens is very sharp. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 12/3/08 5:10 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > Further to the film-digital bokeh bruhaha... > > My 100/2.8 is awesome on film, not so awesome on digital. My 200/4 is also > amazing on digital, but not as stellar on film. The 24/2.8 is OK on film, > but excellent on digital. The 35/2.8 is just beautiful on both. > > One thing that has me wondering about Chris' 85/2. I recall that one > list-member had a 35/2 which had a reversed element in it. It would not be > out of the realm of possibility that Chris' 85/2 also has a reversed > element. With a reversed element, you could still have a sharp lens, but > the focus scale would probably be slightly off. Even with the newer > floating-element 85/2 lens design, I cannot imagine that bokeh would be that > much different than earlier 85/2 designs. > > My 100/2.8 is somehow very unique and I'm with Chris that it is a favorite. > It is a bit long for portraiture--except for head-shots, but I find myself > looking for opportunities to use the lens. You start to look at the world > with 100mm blinders on. > > Two new lenses just came to live at the unofficial "Olympus Living History > Farm" and I am looking forward to learning how to maximize their own unique > characteristics on "Bodies Olympus" both digital and film. > > Related to this, we will be testing all lenses at the OLHF on the E-3 (no, > not mine) at all apertures on a resolution chart and the results will be > posted on www.zone-10.com. I'd use the E-1, but most classic Zuikos far > exceed the resolving ability of the sensor. We are also experimenting with > a "bokeh test fixture", again for all lenses at all apertures. > > AG-Farmer-Schnozz > Head Ranch Hand > Olympus Living History Farm -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 23:25:16 2008 Received: (qmail 14672 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 22:25:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 22:25:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC16443026A for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A2B440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:25:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355E134AC043 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:25:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62CE34AC04D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:25:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:25:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id C29177E3CQ for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:25:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:25:03 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:25:03 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <275289.25766.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] A few shots at work-darn it Thread-Index: AclVlY9oftKGaJA4TOmpqOB1qDlLVAAAGHVw From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2008 22:25:03.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCFB3760:01C95595] Subject: Re: [OM] A few shots at work-darn it X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 23:25:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937074c168631234514069 Came through fine. Separate line items in fact. Success. Steal her lapto= p. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Smith [mailto:proud_texan63@yahoo.com] = Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:22 PM To: Olympus Camera Subject: [OM] A few shots at work-darn it =A0=A0 I don't know what is wrong with my email, I type everything out and = it all looks normal. Then when I see it come back up it's all run together = like that. I double spaced between every link, of the four I sent. When I r= eceived it back it was all one line. Very irritating, I will try again with= the links to flicker. =A0 =A0 http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3079794069/ =A0 http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080635436/ =A0 =A0=A0=A0 Has anyone=A0ever seen this happen? I've been noticing it for a f= ew weeks but have never seen it this bad. I don't know if it is a problem w= ith my=A0laptop or yahoo. This email is sent from my wifes laptop, so that = may answer something. Thanks for looking and thanks for the comments. =A0 Jerry=A0 Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 23:27:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493707e2268831869477228 > Ken Norton wrote: > > exceed the resolving ability of the sensor. We are also experimenting > with > a "bokeh test fixture", again for all lenses at all apertures. > Excellent idea ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 3 23:33:41 2008 Received: (qmail 25586 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 22:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 22:33:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4974D43019D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04FDC440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:33:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62D834AC046 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:33:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.433 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.433 required=7 tests=[HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=2.432, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F3634AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:33:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.130]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:33:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11355 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2008 22:33:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eW_J0A4VM1m5mKyFSU2uBYpAseikXP.u9H6OEUeagyfK_MZaPzyKL.qQlsvU2EtlHGsTG28F0ohiYB1hJ.BqCSKvMyDgPf18J0Z120GPJbXGljPJB5KZqCjRrvTk0SCFEjDinwfpHB9_UOaMym5BxOdcsGaBfyNnZ.VZJibctzL4H2kDFSk4Zyi20n_f Received: from [71.97.4.235] by web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:33:34 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:33:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <234522.11199.qm@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A few shots at work-darn it X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 3 23:33:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937094518601591313764 =A0=A0 Jim, I may have to, =A0it came back correct to me as well. I don't understand wh= y it was so messed up from mine. Oh the joy of computers. =A0 Jerry =A0 Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 00:28:18 2008 Received: (qmail 11738 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2008 23:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 23:28:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBA3430168 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:28:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22702440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:28:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA20934AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:28:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E5634AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:28:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:28:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15446 invoked by uid 502); 3 Dec 2008 23:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.207.172) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Dec 2008 23:27:58 -0000 Message-ID: <493715EE.8080509@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:27:42 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB22EC19296F2F-16F8-1741@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F8A56EDD4C-AC8-C9E@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB22F8A56EDD4C-AC8-C9E@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Any Moose sightings? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 00:28:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937161274737350615338 usher99@aol.com wrote: > I think it's been a coupala weeks and not a peep, unless I missed it---quite atypical. > Moose? Moose? I just know I've seen one around here somewhere ... As I understand it, he got back very late Saturday night. Since then, he has been in a sort of strange 'space', alternately busy with some stuff that needed doing and in a quiet, contemplative mood. As I understand it, he's finally tossed the 450-ish list posts either from Andrew's auto-response madness or commenting on it and worked through the rather active regular list posting from the time he was away. I know from experience that he doesn't like to respond to a thread without reading it up to date. So it's possible he will return to a list presence fairly soon. > Hope all is well. > Well, not quite a coupala weeks, but thanks for your concern. A. Functionary Moosesupport LLC -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 01:03:48 2008 Received: (qmail 3209 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 00:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 00:03:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621541C40521 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:03:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1983440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8B119FAB6 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:03:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E903F19FA9F for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:03:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from extsmtp4.localnet.com (extsmtp4.localnet.com [207.251.201.56]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11500 invoked by uid 1011); 4 Dec 2008 00:03:40 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by bombastic (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 0.082139 secs); 04 Dec 2008 00:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp4.localnet.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 00:03:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 14939 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2008 00:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp614.tc-1.syr-ch.ny.localnet.com) ([64.179.14.106]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp4.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Dec 2008 00:03:42 -0000 From: Doug To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:06:42 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812031906.42721.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: [OM] OT Google X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 01:03:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49371e64238861702588592 Is it just my local ISP or is google down? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 02:23:22 2008 Received: (qmail 4518 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 01:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 01:23:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CA71C40F61 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96125440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D1134AC040 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:23:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0773034AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:23:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20919 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2008 01:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2008 01:23:10 -0000 Message-ID: <493730FE.7040504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:23:10 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Sharpening, was: On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 02:23:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937310a274961838542571 I find that it's rarely necessary to do any kind of careful selection when sharpening foreground (people mostly) vs background. In PhotoShop, first create a new layer and sharpen for the eyes and other facial features on that layer. Pay no attention to the effect elsewhere. Then add a mask, select black paint and use the paint bucket to pour black paint all over the mask. That will undo the sharpened layer and show the unsharpened layer beneath. Then select white paint and a paint brush and paint over the hair, eyes, eyebrows, nostrils, lips, jewelry and anything else that might look better if it was sharper. There really is no need to carefully paint within the lines even though your mother told you to. As long as you're not as careless as a typical 2 year old it will look just fine even at moderately large print sizes. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Couple of interesting points. The converse of AG's situation also > appears to be true. The Z. 200/4 seems to have very nice bokeh on the > E-1 but so-so on film. I remember iwert's wonderful portrait and am > glad he provided the link again. I suspect the 100/2 has nice bokeh on > film > FF. Why use USM on the background which can only harshen the bokeh, > unless time limits selecting out the subject? > > Mike > > The bokeh issue is part optics, part film. I have noticed that > high-speed > films--even Delta 400 pushed two stops, don't react the same to bokeh as > lower-speed films. You will see this with digital too. A lens which > works > great on film isn't necessarily so great on digital. My 100/2.8 is > awesome > on film, hohum on the E-1. I suspect that it has to do with USM. What > does > USM have to do with film? During the development process, some > film-developer combinations allow substantial grain migration which > forms > the same type of edge brightness artifacts as USM. (halos and such). > AG > > > > > > > >> . I wonder what >> aperture was used by Chris. Perhaps the 100 F2 is the bokeh king for >> portraits? >> Mike > > > it certainly ain't bad: > > http://www.myfourthirds.com/document.php?id=24990 > > I can say the 100/2 is my favourite OM lens. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1826 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 9:34 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 02:47:54 2008 Received: (qmail 10921 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 01:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 01:47:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C07E1C40F4E for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:47:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D561440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:47:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3978E34AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:47:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4735134AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:47:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:47:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31351 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2008 01:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2008 01:47:46 -0000 Message-ID: <493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:47:46 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 02:47:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493736ca184711993019900 Well, be careful there. Don't forget to refer to the "diffraction limited" lens resolution limits at the bottom of this page from Luminous-Landscape. It says that a 4/3 sensor can't resolve more than 8 MP at f/8 or 17 MP at f/5.6. Of course, those are purely theoretical numbers for theoretically perfect lenses which don't exist. In any case you'll have to stay wider than f/8 if you hope to get the full 10 MP resolution of the E3 sensor. Unfortunately, some OM Zuikos don't hit their stride until f/8 or f/11. OK for a modest size full frame sensor like the 5D but not OK for those even more pixel follow-ons. The E-1 is probably OK down to about f/10. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > > Related to this, we will be testing all lenses at the OLHF on the E-3 (no, > not mine) at all apertures on a resolution chart and the results will be > posted on www.zone-10.com. I'd use the E-1, but most classic Zuikos far > exceed the resolving ability of the sensor. We are also experimenting with > a "bokeh test fixture", again for all lenses at all apertures. > > AG-Farmer-Schnozz > Head Ranch Hand > Olympus Living History Farm > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 02:48:54 2008 Received: (qmail 14073 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 01:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 01:48:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F501C40F5F for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A699440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5CB19FC21 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:48:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDE419FC26 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:48:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31767 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2008 01:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2008 01:48:47 -0000 Message-ID: <493736FF.9040809@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:48:47 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <388326.27753.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] A few shots today at work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 02:48:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49373706289641591313764 Maybe they're already magical in their original form. You can't judge much from a small web image. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > Beautiful! > > This is one set of pictures, however, that I would have loved to have seen > on K25. The gradients in the sky are lovely, but K25 would have turned them > magical. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 02:50:32 2008 Received: (qmail 19749 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 01:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 01:50:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40831C40F49 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:50:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6C4440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:50:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9E619FC29 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:50:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DD019FC28 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:50:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32474 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2008 01:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2008 01:50:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4937375F.3060002@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:50:23 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <275289.25766.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <275289.25766.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] A few shots at work-darn it X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 02:50:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49373768109421234514069 Looks like you'll just have to take over your wife's laptop. Chuck Norcutt Jerry Smith wrote: > I don't know what is wrong with my email, I type everything out and > it all looks normal. Then when I see it come back up it's all run > together like that. I double spaced between every link, of the four I > sent. When I received it back it was all one line. Very irritating, I > will try again with the links to flicker. > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3079794069/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080635436/ > > Has anyone ever seen this happen? I've been noticing it for a few > weeks but have never seen it this bad. I don't know if it is a > problem with my laptop or yahoo. This email is sent from my wifes > laptop, so that may answer something. Thanks for looking and thanks > for the comments. > > Jerry > > > Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - > http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1826 - > Release Date: 12/3/2008 9:34 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 02:53:39 2008 Received: (qmail 19372 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 01:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 01:53:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E861C40F5B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:53:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEF8440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:53:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1315419FC11 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:53:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE1619FC2F for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:53:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:53:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1457 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2008 01:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2008 01:53:32 -0000 Message-ID: <4937381C.8090608@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:53:32 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <234522.11199.qm@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <234522.11199.qm@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] A few shots at work-darn it X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 02:53:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49373823129342070262475 What's different between the two? Different email program, different OS, different ISP? Chuck Norcutt Jerry Smith wrote: > Jim, > > I may have to, it came back correct to me as well. I don't > understand why it was so messed up from mine. Oh the joy of > computers. > > Jerry > > > Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - > http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1826 - > Release Date: 12/3/2008 9:34 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 02:55:24 2008 Received: (qmail 16122 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 01:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 01:55:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAC41C40F3B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE531440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A222919FC3F for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:55:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3505319FC11 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:55:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2604 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2008 01:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2008 01:55:18 -0000 Message-ID: <49373885.3000805@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:55:17 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200812031906.42721.doug9345@localnet.com> In-Reply-To: <200812031906.42721.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT Google X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 02:55:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937388c35871869477228 Google is up and running and apparently on all cylinders. Chuck Norcutt Doug wrote: > Is it just my local ISP or is google down? > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 03:39:49 2008 Received: (qmail 10658 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 02:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 02:39:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEAB4301CE for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C25440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C58A34AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:39:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD72E34AC043 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:39:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:39:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so2205421nfc.20 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.229.19 with SMTP id g19mr6622094mur.1.1228358378290; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:39:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:39:38 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com> <493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: fde978328ca21e2e Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 03:39:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493742f520141234514069 > > Well, be careful there. Don't forget to refer to the "diffraction > limited" lens resolution limits at the bottom of this page from > Luminous-Landscape. > > > It says that a 4/3 sensor can't resolve more than 8 MP at f/8 or 17 MP > at f/5.6. Of course, those are purely theoretical numbers for > theoretically perfect lenses which don't exist. In any case you'll have > to stay wider than f/8 if you hope to get the full 10 MP resolution of > the E3 sensor. Unfortunately, some OM Zuikos don't hit their stride > until f/8 or f/11. OK for a modest size full frame sensor like the 5D > but not OK for those even more pixel follow-ons. The E-1 is probably OK > down to about f/10. > I believe that empirical evidence shows that smaller sensor'd cameras exceed our expectations and large sensor (and film) cameras underperform our expectations. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 04:26:42 2008 Received: (qmail 6171 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 03:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 03:26:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F67143022B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84A7440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:26:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE3634AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:26:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B6C34AC040 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:26:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:26:34 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB43QVqv025330 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:26:33 GMT Message-ID: <03688210571646668BE3EE92EBAF51AE@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com><493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:26:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 04:26:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49374df2271031234514069 Ken, I would agree with you. My little 6.3mp Fujifilm F10 has produced some images that just blew me away. After several years of having C41 film processed to CD by a department store lab, I was amazed at the resolution that the little camera provided. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... > > >> Well, be careful there. Don't forget to refer to the "diffraction >> limited" lens resolution limits at the bottom of this page from >> Luminous-Landscape. >> >> >> It says that a 4/3 sensor can't resolve more than 8 MP at f/8 or 17 MP >> at f/5.6. Of course, those are purely theoretical numbers for >> theoretically perfect lenses which don't exist. In any case you'll have >> to stay wider than f/8 if you hope to get the full 10 MP resolution of >> the E3 sensor. Unfortunately, some OM Zuikos don't hit their stride >> until f/8 or f/11. OK for a modest size full frame sensor like the 5D >> but not OK for those even more pixel follow-ons. The E-1 is probably OK >> down to about f/10. >> > > > I believe that empirical evidence shows that smaller sensor'd cameras > exceed > our expectations and large sensor (and film) cameras underperform our > expectations. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 04:35:05 2008 Received: (qmail 20656 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 03:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 03:35:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0123E43028A for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:35:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862FD440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:35:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB5934AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:35:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96E934AC040 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:34:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:34:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12486 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2008 03:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2008 03:34:57 -0000 Message-ID: <49374FE0.3010506@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:34:56 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com><493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com> <03688210571646668BE3EE92EBAF51AE@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <03688210571646668BE3EE92EBAF51AE@jimnichols> Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 04:35:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49374fe9204081744846740 Can you *quantify* that? :-) Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Ken, > > I would agree with you. My little 6.3mp Fujifilm F10 has produced some > images that just blew me away. After several years of having C41 film > processed to CD by a department store lab, I was amazed at the resolution > that the little camera provided. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... > > >>> Well, be careful there. Don't forget to refer to the "diffraction >>> limited" lens resolution limits at the bottom of this page from >>> Luminous-Landscape. >>> >>> >>> It says that a 4/3 sensor can't resolve more than 8 MP at f/8 or 17 MP >>> at f/5.6. Of course, those are purely theoretical numbers for >>> theoretically perfect lenses which don't exist. In any case you'll have >>> to stay wider than f/8 if you hope to get the full 10 MP resolution of >>> the E3 sensor. Unfortunately, some OM Zuikos don't hit their stride >>> until f/8 or f/11. OK for a modest size full frame sensor like the 5D >>> but not OK for those even more pixel follow-ons. The E-1 is probably OK >>> down to about f/10. >>> >> >> I believe that empirical evidence shows that smaller sensor'd cameras >> exceed >> our expectations and large sensor (and film) cameras underperform our >> expectations. >> >> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1827 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 5:41 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 04:36:08 2008 Received: (qmail 2829 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 03:36:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 03:36:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B134302CC for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:36:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56ECE440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:36:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B71C19FD6B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:36:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.432 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.432 required=7 tests=[DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=2.431, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144EC19FD66 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:36:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (68.230.240.46 is listed in dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:36:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081204033601.DUUO27943.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:36:01 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id mrc01a00B4vDLwc02rc08E; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:36:00 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=UK7BgiRxAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=Jv9YWRinZvrK0FPwnSMA:9 a=LvPAxeVvWZg1hsNN3zoA:7 a=-d6Jqe_qW3659oTflH1tMLJsfPwA:4 a=IKds56vswl8A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <21BB8115ACE44165ABF67227DC2444D5@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com><493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:35:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 04:36:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49375028313561234514069 I just had a 20x30 made of a shot from my last Italian trip with the D3, and it is truly remarkable! A shot that would have been impossibly noisy with film. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... > > >> Well, be careful there. Don't forget to refer to the "diffraction >> limited" lens resolution limits at the bottom of this page from >> Luminous-Landscape. >> >> >> It says that a 4/3 sensor can't resolve more than 8 MP at f/8 or 17 MP >> at f/5.6. Of course, those are purely theoretical numbers for >> theoretically perfect lenses which don't exist. In any case you'll have >> to stay wider than f/8 if you hope to get the full 10 MP resolution of >> the E3 sensor. Unfortunately, some OM Zuikos don't hit their stride >> until f/8 or f/11. OK for a modest size full frame sensor like the 5D >> but not OK for those even more pixel follow-ons. The E-1 is probably OK >> down to about f/10. >> > > > I believe that empirical evidence shows that smaller sensor'd cameras > exceed > our expectations and large sensor (and film) cameras underperform our > expectations. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1827 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 5:41 PM -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 04:37:34 2008 Received: (qmail 7828 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 03:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 03:37:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF44430530 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:37:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8576E440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1F134AC040 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:37:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A132034AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:37:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13383 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2008 03:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2008 03:37:27 -0000 Message-ID: <49375077.3000609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:37:27 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com> <493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 04:37:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937507e256911073733319 The small sensor can resolve great detail if it has a lens that performs well at large apertures. That's something that some old Zuikos do well and others do not. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Well, be careful there. Don't forget to refer to the "diffraction >> limited" lens resolution limits at the bottom of this page from >> Luminous-Landscape. >> >> >> It says that a 4/3 sensor can't resolve more than 8 MP at f/8 or 17 MP >> at f/5.6. Of course, those are purely theoretical numbers for >> theoretically perfect lenses which don't exist. In any case you'll have >> to stay wider than f/8 if you hope to get the full 10 MP resolution of >> the E3 sensor. Unfortunately, some OM Zuikos don't hit their stride >> until f/8 or f/11. OK for a modest size full frame sensor like the 5D >> but not OK for those even more pixel follow-ons. The E-1 is probably OK >> down to about f/10. >> > > > I believe that empirical evidence shows that smaller sensor'd cameras exceed > our expectations and large sensor (and film) cameras underperform our > expectations. > > AG > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1827 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 5:41 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 04:37:59 2008 Received: (qmail 10974 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 03:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 03:37:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BDE43055E for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:37:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF0F440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:37:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3ADB19FD6C for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:37:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A889119FD6B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:37:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:37:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so2213057nfc.20 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.24.17 with SMTP id b17mr6628816muj.21.1228361871247; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:37:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:37:51 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Google-Sender-Auth: df1a1d7893b73b2a Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 04:37:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49375097163854673671140 If I have the OM-4T(i) in manual exposure mode and set the shutter speed to 1/15, what happens when I have a T-series flash in OTF-TTL mode go ready? Will the camera fire at 1/15 or does the electronic shutter override the 1/15 setting and force it to 1/60? Obviously, the F280 flash will allow any sync speed and non-TTL flashes don't have the flash-ready pins to communicate status or presence to the camera. I'm wondering this, because the OM-3Ti will keep the 1/15 setting, but wasn't so sure about the OM-4Ti. I'd test it, but I'm about 300 miles away from the OLHF where a T45 now lives. AG-Schnozz Olympus Living History Farm -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 04:44:07 2008 Received: (qmail 11527 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 03:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 03:44:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F5A4304A6 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:44:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0705440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:44:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85D219FD7D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:44:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D0B19FD77 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:44:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:44:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB43i0N1070534 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:44:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id mB43hTWY053511 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:43:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB44mRVo002866 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:48:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200812040448.mB44mRVo002866@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:44:48 -0800 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: Richard Man In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 2500413 - ef4a19c8e365 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 04:44:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49375207129934673671140 I'm pretty sure the OM-4(T) fires at 1/60. One of the reasons some people go for the OM-3(T), I guess... At 07:37 PM 12/3/2008, Ken Norton wrote: >If I have the OM-4T(i) in manual exposure mode and set the shutter speed to >1/15, what happens when I have a T-series flash in OTF-TTL mode go ready? > Will the camera fire at 1/15 or does the electronic shutter override the >1/15 setting and force it to 1/60? >Obviously, the F280 flash will allow any sync speed and non-TTL flashes >don't have the flash-ready pins to communicate status or presence to the >camera. // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 04:45:46 2008 Received: (qmail 19560 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 03:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 03:45:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74164304B4 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:45:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7951B440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6968719FD80 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:45:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F0F19FD72 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:45:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:45:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14217 invoked by uid 502); 4 Dec 2008 03:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.204.140) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2008 03:45:37 -0000 Message-ID: <49375258.8060707@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:45:28 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 04:45:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937526a206671073733319 Ken Norton wrote: > If I have the OM-4T(i) in manual exposure mode and set the shutter speed to > 1/15, what happens when I have a T-series flash in OTF-TTL mode go ready? > Will the camera fire at 1/15 or does the electronic shutter override the > 1/15 setting and force it to 1/60? > Yup. Unless you cover the flash ready connector on the hot shoe. If you do that, the flash ready light won't light, the camera won't know there is a TTL flash attached and: In Manual, you will get 1/15 sec. shutter speed. In Auto, you will get whatever shutter speed is needed to complete the exposure started by the flash, as with the original OM-2. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 04:54:50 2008 Received: (qmail 2696 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 03:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 03:54:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0A9430204 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:54:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567FD440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:54:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D7C19FD9F for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:54:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D871019FD9C for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:54:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:54:43 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB43se7U029830 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:54:42 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com><493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com> <03688210571646668BE3EE92EBAF51AE@jimnichols> <49374FE0.3010506@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:54:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 04:54:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937548a73101702588592 Chuck, I have tried twice to send you an example of what I was making reference to, but, it resides in a gallery at an address that my ISP still considers spam. You will just have to trust me for now. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... > Can you *quantify* that? :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Ken, >> >> I would agree with you. My little 6.3mp Fujifilm F10 has produced some >> images that just blew me away. After several years of having C41 film >> processed to CD by a department store lab, I was amazed at the resolution >> that the little camera provided. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ken Norton" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... >> >> >>>> Well, be careful there. Don't forget to refer to the "diffraction >>>> limited" lens resolution limits at the bottom of this page from >>>> Luminous-Landscape. >>>> >>>> >>>> It says that a 4/3 sensor can't resolve more than 8 MP at f/8 or 17 MP >>>> at f/5.6. Of course, those are purely theoretical numbers for >>>> theoretically perfect lenses which don't exist. In any case you'll >>>> have >>>> to stay wider than f/8 if you hope to get the full 10 MP resolution of >>>> the E3 sensor. Unfortunately, some OM Zuikos don't hit their stride >>>> until f/8 or f/11. OK for a modest size full frame sensor like the 5D >>>> but not OK for those even more pixel follow-ons. The E-1 is probably >>>> OK >>>> down to about f/10. >>>> >>> >>> I believe that empirical evidence shows that smaller sensor'd cameras >>> exceed >>> our expectations and large sensor (and film) cameras underperform our >>> expectations. >>> >>> AG >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1827 - Release Date: >> 12/3/2008 5:41 PM >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 04:55:58 2008 Received: (qmail 1428 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 03:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 03:55:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E665430285 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED0E440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:55:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B1019FD9F for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:55:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9A119FD9C for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:55:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.190]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so3622424mue.0 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.171.20 with SMTP id y20mr6643264muo.19.1228362951296; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:55:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:55:51 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <49375258.8060707@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49375258.8060707@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4d9cbf6b0af872bd Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 04:55:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493754ce57137350615338 > > In Manual, you will get 1/15 sec. shutter speed. > Ok, we have one yes and one no. Next? AG-inquiring minds want to know-Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 05:08:57 2008 Received: (qmail 6079 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 04:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 04:08:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DD0430255 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:08:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFCE440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:08:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4FE34AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:08:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA1934AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:08:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26518 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2008 04:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2008 04:08:51 -0000 Message-ID: <493757D2.4030908@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:08:50 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 05:08:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493757d9139891035110158 According to the OM-4 user's guide, when the camera is in manual mode it will only fire the flash in manual mode. That leaves an interesting unknown about what happens when the T-32 is in TTL mode. The OM-4Ti manual gets around that particular problem by not acknowledging the existence of the T-32 amongst the T-series flashes (I kid you not!) I'd test it but it's time to go to bed. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > If I have the OM-4T(i) in manual exposure mode and set the shutter speed to > 1/15, what happens when I have a T-series flash in OTF-TTL mode go ready? > Will the camera fire at 1/15 or does the electronic shutter override the > 1/15 setting and force it to 1/60? > Obviously, the F280 flash will allow any sync speed and non-TTL flashes > don't have the flash-ready pins to communicate status or presence to the > camera. > > I'm wondering this, because the OM-3Ti will keep the 1/15 setting, but > wasn't so sure about the OM-4Ti. I'd test it, but I'm about 300 miles away > from the OLHF where a T45 now lives. > > AG-Schnozz > Olympus Living History Farm > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1827 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 5:41 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 05:10:35 2008 Received: (qmail 4545 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 04:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 04:10:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3361B430471 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:10:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F495440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D8C19FDD5 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:10:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DACA19FDB3 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:10:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 19 days 07:34:45 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:10:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-1-86.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.1.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB44AB62007684 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:10:15 -0200 Message-ID: <4937662F.1040109@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:10:07 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49375258.8060707@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 05:10:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937583b148891529615919 In Manual, you will get 1/15 sec. shutter speed _ if you cover the flash ready connector on the hot shoe. Display will show a double arrow pointing '60' in Manual mode, while the romboid will meter ambient light - moving around over and under the 1/60 setting. Mine has the hot shoe flash ready connector scotch-covered, but the BG2 Grip not covered. Take this as the 'Next' opinion :) Fernando. Ken Norton wrote: >> In Manual, you will get 1/15 sec. shutter speed. >> >> > > > Ok, we have one yes and one no. Next? > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 05:26:39 2008 Received: (qmail 24097 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 04:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 04:26:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D818B430247 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A2A440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BF834AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:26:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AB334AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:26:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32053 invoked by uid 502); 4 Dec 2008 04:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.168.17) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2008 04:26:32 -0000 Message-ID: <49375BF4.9070003@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:26:28 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49375258.8060707@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 05:26:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49375bff42029117217770 Ken Norton wrote: >> In Manual, you will get 1/15 sec. shutter speed. > > Ok, we have one yes and one no. Next? > Read the whole email. Those two outcomes are carefully listed as happening ONLY when the Flash-Ready contact is covered. If it isn't covered, you get 1/60, as I said in the first line of the email Fernando just said the same thing about Manual with the contact covered. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 05:27:41 2008 Received: (qmail 28930 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 04:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 04:27:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D00430285 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274A4440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:27:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206B734AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:27:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.431 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.431 required=7 tests=[DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=2.431] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C874834AC040 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:27:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (68.230.240.9 is listed in dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081204042734.EFOC18445.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net>; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:27:34 -0500 Received: from eastrmwml28 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id msTa1a0054h0NJL02sTaFz; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:27:34 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=MVvEs0e/mCFcUfn3nL6Xlw==:17 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=KU-3BfGycTaLt1PIdmMA:9 a=vTKn_p6waArcEEc0jTcA:7 a=txeVxoJn8U79oqFVNfYOObqsBEwA:4 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Received: from 68.229.81.220 by webmail.east.cox.net; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:27:34 -0500 Message-ID: <20081203232734.6WIAG.500953.imail@eastrmwml28> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:27:34 -0500 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493757D2.4030908@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Cc: Chuck Norcutt Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 05:27:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49375c3d99785368819438 In manual mode the shutter will always fire at whatever speed you set on the shutter speed dial, 1/15 in this example. Whether there is a flash attached doesn't matter. When set to manual, the OM-4(T(i)) won't do TTL flash. On the T32 and T20, setting TTL mode is the same as setting full power manual. The flash will just do a full dump. If you take a close look at what the calculator panel does when you flip it over to TTL, it just sets the mode switch to ful power manual. If the camera is in Auto then it will quench the flash when it decides it has correct exposure. I always keep my calculator panel with the calculator side out, and just switch it to manual to do TTL. That way I have the calculator panel available to help with rough exposure and distance calculations. Paul Schings ---- Chuck Norcutt wrote: > According to the OM-4 user's guide, when the camera is in manual mode it > will only fire the flash in manual mode. That leaves an interesting > unknown about what happens when the T-32 is in TTL mode. The OM-4Ti > manual gets around that particular problem by not acknowledging the > existence of the T-32 amongst the T-series flashes (I kid you not!) > I'd test it but it's time to go to bed. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Ken Norton wrote: > > If I have the OM-4T(i) in manual exposure mode and set the shutter speed to > > 1/15, what happens when I have a T-series flash in OTF-TTL mode go ready? > > Will the camera fire at 1/15 or does the electronic shutter override the > > 1/15 setting and force it to 1/60? > > Obviously, the F280 flash will allow any sync speed and non-TTL flashes > > don't have the flash-ready pins to communicate status or presence to the > > camera. > > > > I'm wondering this, because the OM-3Ti will keep the 1/15 setting, but > > wasn't so sure about the OM-4Ti. I'd test it, but I'm about 300 miles away > > from the OLHF where a T45 now lives. > > > > AG-Schnozz > > Olympus Living History Farm > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1827 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 5:41 PM > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 05:59:31 2008 Received: (qmail 8827 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 04:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 04:59:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB44543028A for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6058440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEAE34AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:59:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF93634AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:59:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 04 Dec 2008 15:59:09 +1100 Message-ID: <100-9a633749-25144.001@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:59:06 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20081203232734.6WIAG.500953.imail@eastrmwml28> References: <493757D2.4030908@chucknorcutt.com> <20081203232734.6WIAG.500953.imail@eastrmwml28> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 05:59:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493763b3197071073733319 > In manual mode the shutter will always fire at whatever speed > you set on the shutter speed dial, 1/15 in this example. Whether > there is a flash attached doesn't matter. Paul is on the ball ! I'll agree with him. The rest are also right re covering the flash ready contact but that will be no different if you are in manual mode anyway. This I learnt on an org OM4 (no T or Ti). Cheers Ian Manners Inside every digital circuit is an analog signal screaming to get out. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 06:00:36 2008 Received: (qmail 10384 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 05:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 05:00:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C287043028A for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:00:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BCDB440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:00:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBD019FE22 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:00:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9DD19FE2D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:00:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50800 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L86KB-0002rg-H6 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:00:27 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:00:25 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question Thread-Index: AclVzTfSdpcQisHAEd2iOgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <20081203232734.6WIAG.500953.imail@eastrmwml28> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 06:00:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493763f492189347015869 Paul's right. I just confirmed it with my OM-4T and a T20 and an F280. You don't need to cover any contacts for the use of slow shutter speeds in manual mode...if the camera is in manual, you get the shutter speed you set. TTL does not work in manual on the OM-4T, though it does on the 3Tisince the 3Ti is manual only but offers TTL auto for flash! I think the original OM-3 did not have TTL flash. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 12/3/08 11:27 PM, "pschings@cox.net" wrote: > In manual mode the shutter will always fire at whatever speed you set on the > shutter speed dial, 1/15 in this example. Whether there is a flash attached > doesn't matter. > > When set to manual, the OM-4(T(i)) won't do TTL flash. > > On the T32 and T20, setting TTL mode is the same as setting full power manual. > The flash will just do a full dump. If you take a close look at what the > calculator panel does when you flip it over to TTL, it just sets the mode > switch to ful power manual. If the camera is in Auto then it will quench the > flash when it decides it has correct exposure. I always keep my calculator > panel with the calculator side out, and just switch it to manual to do TTL. > That way I have the calculator panel available to help with rough exposure and > distance calculations. > > Paul Schings > > > ---- Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> According to the OM-4 user's guide, when the camera is in manual mode it >> will only fire the flash in manual mode. That leaves an interesting >> unknown about what happens when the T-32 is in TTL mode. The OM-4Ti >> manual gets around that particular problem by not acknowledging the >> existence of the T-32 amongst the T-series flashes (I kid you not!) >> I'd test it but it's time to go to bed. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Ken Norton wrote: >>> If I have the OM-4T(i) in manual exposure mode and set the shutter speed to >>> 1/15, what happens when I have a T-series flash in OTF-TTL mode go ready? >>> Will the camera fire at 1/15 or does the electronic shutter override the >>> 1/15 setting and force it to 1/60? >>> Obviously, the F280 flash will allow any sync speed and non-TTL flashes >>> don't have the flash-ready pins to communicate status or presence to the >>> camera. >>> >>> I'm wondering this, because the OM-3Ti will keep the 1/15 setting, but >>> wasn't so sure about the OM-4Ti. I'd test it, but I'm about 300 miles away >>> from the OLHF where a T45 now lives. >>> >>> AG-Schnozz >>> Olympus Living History Farm >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1827 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 >>> 5:41 PM >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 06:17:40 2008 Received: (qmail 26134 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 05:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 05:17:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D7A430257 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:17:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A158440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:17:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FC434AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:17:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDC934AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:17:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.191]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:17:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so3655426mue.0 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:17:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.191.12 with SMTP id t12mr6663579mup.49.1228367853667; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:17:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:17:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:17:33 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081203232734.6WIAG.500953.imail@eastrmwml28> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7abc9e6ff4b29773 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 06:17:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493767f4136138512572685 So OTF does NOT work in manual on the 4Ti, but does on the 3Ti? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 06:39:13 2008 Received: (qmail 7019 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 05:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 05:39:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492031C40F41 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE07440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB9C34AC043 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:39:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CCB34AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:39:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl37.gs02.gridserver.com (cl37.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.46]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50175 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl37.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L86vb-0002iH-4K for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:39:07 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:39:05 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question Thread-Index: AclV0p6m3RfmccHFEd2xDgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 06:39:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49376d01326921585427447 Yes. The Ti is a manual only camera, except when using flash, where it offers TTL flash exposure..but you have to manually set the shutter speed to what you want to use (anything from 1/60 on down works for normal TTL. I think you can do the F280 for FP flash too!). The 4Ti only offers TTL auto in Autoexposure mode, where it sets the shutter automatically to 1/60. You can, however, use FP mode with the F280 in manual mode on the 4Ti! Confused yet? LOL -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 12/4/08 12:17 AM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > So OTF does NOT work in manual on the 4Ti, but does on the 3Ti? > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 06:56:14 2008 Received: (qmail 16623 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 05:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 05:56:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157A11C40F60 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B405440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6118D1CD484 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:56:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642EF1CD481 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:56:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 04 Dec 2008 16:56:05 +1100 Message-ID: <100-f3703749-12646.002@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:56:03 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20081203232734.6WIAG.500953.imail@eastrmwml28> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 06:56:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493770fe236829347015869 Hi Ken, > So OTF does NOT work in manual on the 4Ti, but does on the 3Ti? Yes, that is correct. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Blow your mind: Smoke gunpowder! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 07:15:39 2008 Received: (qmail 18428 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 06:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 06:15:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A4D1C40F61 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54080440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6791CD482 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:15:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F741CD483 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:15:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 19 days 09:39:48 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:15:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-1-86.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.1.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB46FJZK018641 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:15:20 -0200 Message-ID: <49378384.1050806@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:15:16 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 07:15:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937758b215481499373980 OK - this makes perfect sense, doubtlessly. It's just like the 2n. I tape the contact for Auto mode use ( no consequences when on Manual mode, when I use it for fill flash. One wouldn't be able to make fill-in locked at 1/60, mixing ambient light.) - because I'm one of those who think Olympus should have kept things as the old - plain 2 did. ***So - why, why does the display show a double arrow pointing '60' in Manual mode, while the romboid will move around over and under the sync speed.*** - This was what lead me to think what I wrongly wrote before, but it's time to sleep for me too, and won't check it untill tomorrow. Or did I dream about those arrows ? - doubt it, I felt surprised to discover them ... Oh, no ... it's 4 a.m., I feel hungry and cold - but will go downstairs and check it, otherwise I will suffer another insomnia episode. About the 4T and 3Ti opposite behaviour, this is how I always understood it. Fine, I knew something should stop me from doing weird things in Lab mode ;^) Fernando. Chris Crawford wrote: > Paul's right. I just confirmed it with my OM-4T and a T20 and an F280. You > don't need to cover any contacts for the use of slow shutter speeds in > manual mode...if the camera is in manual, you get the shutter speed you set. > TTL does not work in manual on the OM-4T, though it does on the 3Tisince the > 3Ti is manual only but offers TTL auto for flash! I think the original OM-3 > did not have TTL flash. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 07:25:04 2008 Received: (qmail 17431 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 06:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 06:25:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375231C40F4F for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:25:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAAA440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:24:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0EE834AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:24:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B18234AC040 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:24:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl34.gs02.gridserver.com (cl34.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.43]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:24:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50488 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl34.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L87dx-0006Hz-Ei for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:24:57 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:24:55 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question Thread-Index: AclV2QXHRH829MHMEd2xDgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <49378384.1050806@adinet.com.uy> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 07:25:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493777c0264391993019900 I think the moving rhomboid moves under the speed that would be used without flash. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 12/4/08 2:15 AM, "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" wrote: > OK - this makes perfect sense, doubtlessly. It's just like the 2n. > > I tape the contact for Auto mode use ( no consequences when on Manual > mode, when I use it for fill flash. One wouldn't be able to make fill-in > locked at 1/60, mixing ambient light.) - because I'm one of those who > think Olympus should have kept things as the old - plain 2 did. > > ***So - why, why does the display show a double arrow pointing '60' in > Manual mode, while the romboid will move around over and under the sync > speed.*** - This was what lead me to think what I wrongly wrote before, > but it's time to sleep for me too, and won't check it untill tomorrow. > > Or did I dream about those arrows ? - doubt it, I felt surprised to > discover them ... > > Oh, no ... it's 4 a.m., I feel hungry and cold - but will go downstairs > and check it, otherwise I will suffer another insomnia episode. > > About the 4T and 3Ti opposite behaviour, this is how I always understood it. > > Fine, I knew something should stop me from doing weird things in Lab > mode ;^) > > Fernando. > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> Paul's right. I just confirmed it with my OM-4T and a T20 and an F280. You >> don't need to cover any contacts for the use of slow shutter speeds in >> manual mode...if the camera is in manual, you get the shutter speed you set. >> TTL does not work in manual on the OM-4T, though it does on the 3Tisince the >> 3Ti is manual only but offers TTL auto for flash! I think the original OM-3 >> did not have TTL flash. >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 07:37:16 2008 Received: (qmail 6858 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 06:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 06:37:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2751C40F5B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE0B440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC521CD484 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:37:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A077A1CD482 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:37:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.181]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c29so3495869ika.6 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:37:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.220.18 with SMTP id x18mr6674120muq.135.1228372628227; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:37:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:37:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:37:08 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49378384.1050806@adinet.com.uy> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2a5639fed25d679a Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 07:37:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49377a9c92494673671140 Ok, so OTF-TTL works with the T-series flashes in manual mode in the OM-3Ti, but not the OM-4Ti. Does this mean that the exposure-compensation dial on the 3Ti will actually work to alter flash power so I can vary the amount of "fill flash"? The instruction manuals are a bit cryptic in these regards AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 07:51:08 2008 Received: (qmail 16608 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 06:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 06:51:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B8F1C40F37 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:51:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25D7440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:51:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B0F34AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:51:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987E034AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:51:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:50:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0972DC974C for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:10:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <388326.27753.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:50:57 +0000 References: <388326.27753.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A few shots today at work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 07:51:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49377ddc135861470116606 Flickr had to sort out the mucked-up links, Jerry, but it did. I used CoolIris to view them and they look great, especially at the larger size. The second and last shots have slanted horizons, but you might have done that deliberately, in the artistic spirit of the moment :-) Chris On 3 Dec 2008, at 20:11, Jerry Smith wrote: > I wanted to show a few shots I took this morning at work, shot > with my E-1 and 14-54.http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080661044/http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080635436/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080644296/http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3079788519/Jerry > Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 08:02:53 2008 Received: (qmail 3418 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 07:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 07:02:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209CE1C40F54 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:02:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF237440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:02:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E42E34AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:02:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F8C34AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:02:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 19 days 10:27:04 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:02:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-9-81.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.9.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB472e35020582 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:02:41 -0200 Message-ID: <49378E9E.60504@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:02:38 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49378384.1050806@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 08:02:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937809d75381470116606 Yes they are cryptic - I was trying to find out about this issue in my 4 = last Sunday - under the assumption that it would under / over expose ( I = read this somewhere ). Sooo, I ( ignorantly ) think you're right on how = to vary the amount of fill. Is it too late and few of us awake to go and read the esif - as we = usually did before the digital dark age flooded the list _ ;^) Fernando. Ken Norton wrote: > Ok, so OTF-TTL works with the T-series flashes in manual mode in the OM-3= Ti, > but not the OM-4Ti. Does this mean that the exposure-compensation dial on > the 3Ti will actually work to alter flash power so I can vary the amount = of > "fill flash"? > The instruction manuals are a bit cryptic in these regards > > AG > = -- = Dr. Fernando Gonz=E1lez Gentile M.D. Av.L.P.Ponce 1526B - 11600 Montevideo, Uruguay. Phone: +598 2 7084858 Fax: +598 2 7087396 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 08:26:23 2008 Received: (qmail 22843 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 07:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 07:26:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225EB1C40F58 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:26:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C27440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D07734AC00B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:26:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68BC034AC004 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:26:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:26:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so3922306ugf.21 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.245.18 with SMTP id x18mr6692836mur.62.1228375573806; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:26:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j10sm15802646muh.57.2008.12.03.23.26.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:26:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49378613.1080704@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:26:11 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49378384.1050806@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 08:26:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937861f67921838542571 If I remember correctly there is a section on this in the 3Ti manual and I think it only works corrcetly witht the 280 flash, sorry I don't have the manual nearby and also my memory is not perfect these days. ;-) Ken Norton wrote: > Ok, so OTF-TTL works with the T-series flashes in manual mode in the OM-3Ti, > but not the OM-4Ti. Does this mean that the exposure-compensation dial on > the 3Ti will actually work to alter flash power so I can vary the amount of > "fill flash"? > The instruction manuals are a bit cryptic in these regards > > AG > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 08:46:22 2008 Received: (qmail 13354 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 07:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 07:46:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4445E175198D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27532440006 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:46:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1517234AC00B for ; 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Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:46:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49378A89.2020809@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:45:13 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49378384.1050806@adinet.com.uy> <49378613.1080704@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49378613.1080704@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 08:46:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49378ace158471993019900 or maybe it was in the 280 flash manual swisspace wrote: > If I remember correctly there is a section on this in the 3Ti manual and > I think it only works corrcetly witht the 280 flash, > sorry I don't have the manual nearby and also my memory is not perfect > these days. ;-) > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 09:43:44 2008 Received: (qmail 4797 invoked by uid 0); 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4 Dec 2008 08:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 08:51:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECFCC2E01; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:51:42 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:51:42 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F87C3557 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:51:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78); 04 Dec 2008 19:51:35 +1100 Message-ID: <100-129a3749-24883.001@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Michael Wong" , "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:51:30 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <60f983080812040043y709e23c1g8996b46085128a0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <60f983080812040043y709e23c1g8996b46085128a0c@mail.gmail.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: I don't receive mails from mailing list for a week X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 09:51:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49379a2a178894673671140 Hi Michael, This email list is defunct, you need to goto http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus and confirm your subscription to the new list. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ "It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it." s.w. ============================================== List is moving, please go to: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus and confirm your subscription. ============================================== From nilsf Thu Dec 4 14:06:37 2008 Received: (qmail 28305 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 13:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 13:06:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E44430589 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:06:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F009440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:06:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237A934AC046 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:06:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2366A34AC004 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:06:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBC0088ESCBCAXA@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:05:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:06:20 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <4937D5CC.2060801@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] img: morning walk to school X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 14:06:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937d5dd29691342116753 Very nice, has a 50's feel to it. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > I did some experimenting with a nice little program "poladroid": > http://www.myfourthirds.com/document.php?id=50053 > > our youngest (by 15 minutes :) enjoying the unexpected snow this morning! > > iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 14:08:31 2008 Received: (qmail 6882 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 13:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 13:08:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617A7430596 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:08:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56640440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1E719E3AA for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:08:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E95919E3A5 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:08:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.129]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 52401 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 2008 13:08:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Bj66UvkVM1lGMisWMbosxJ4.T33ehN873BmDeYSAQP5oKQ7YCm38wRLIP2eA.5O6wTzVoGF1v9vbs.x4CVoe2DDn3_gmJ1gFgoAfou.C0opYjWCb46TzmjJzAaZ0x_MAWnmrtr18YSNEP5xdmrkUFtp8L6.Y.T3b.aZYNZH7ixQMGum3AXNKEB7mreEF Received: from [72.61.193.1] by web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:08:23 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:08:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <678902.51379.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A few shots at work-darn it X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 14:08:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937d64f259231869477228 =A0=A0 Test, =A0 =A0I'm running XP, and the wife's is Vista. I use Opera with yahoo and on h= ers as well. I sent the second one yesterday on hers using IE. So, this is = a test to see if my problem is Opera w/XP. I'm sending this with IE. Sorry = for the test, thanks for looking. =A0 Jerry =A0 http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080659590/ =A0 Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 14:22:45 2008 Received: (qmail 29832 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 13:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 13:22:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237814305EA for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:22:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE41C440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BA534AC046 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:22:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFFD34AC040 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:22:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:22:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBC005UKT57XPL5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:22:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:22:32 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <1D59BA86-8090-4C69-9C82-C2A3F65315A1@Bytesmiths.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <4937D998.30105@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <1D59BA86-8090-4C69-9C82-C2A3F65315A1@Bytesmiths.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 14:22:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937d9a526031823421471 Yes, the QA310 had a warning cast into the body plastic inside the battery compartment, "no nicads". ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jan Steinman wrote: >> From: Frank van Lindert >> >> It is impossible to say if using NiMH cells could >> indeed damage the camera or not. > > "Impossible?" Just plug them in to find out! It's called "destructive > testing." :-) > > FWIW: Olympus used to have a similar warning on its flashes. I've been > using NiMH cells in them for years, with no obvious trouble. > > :::: We in America today are nearer to the final triumph over poverty > than ever before in the history of any land. -- Herbert Hoover, 1928 > :::: Jan Steinman > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 14:48:55 2008 Received: (qmail 30606 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 13:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 13:48:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE45430621 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:48:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9224B440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:48:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774AF34AC00B for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:48:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00A234AC043 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:48:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so4048034wfd.26 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.50.5 with SMTP id c5mr9009688wak.7.1228398529481; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.198.20 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:48:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812040548oc0c78c8ia749eb3a4ea21f90@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:48:49 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4937D998.30105@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1D59BA86-8090-4C69-9C82-C2A3F65315A1@Bytesmiths.com> <4937D998.30105@verizon.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 74124b8b3b3c96a7 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 14:48:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937dfc7178541234514069 And if you use NiCads they warm up the plastic so the warning fades away :-) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:22 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > Yes, the QA310 had a warning cast into the body plastic inside the > battery compartment, "no nicads". > ___________________________________ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 14:58:57 2008 Received: (qmail 18164 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 13:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 13:58:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133FA4305F9 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05752440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:58:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDD534AC040 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:58:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADB934AC043 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:58:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBC00MLLUTZPQP3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:58:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:58:59 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <4937E223.30703@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 14:58:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937e221276081744846740 The 4Ti when set to manual will keep the 1/15th speed, but the flash in TTL mode may go full dump (full manual, which is what TTL setting is). ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Ken Norton wrote: > If I have the OM-4T(i) in manual exposure mode and set the shutter speed to > 1/15, what happens when I have a T-series flash in OTF-TTL mode go ready? > Will the camera fire at 1/15 or does the electronic shutter override the > 1/15 setting and force it to 1/60? > Obviously, the F280 flash will allow any sync speed and non-TTL flashes > don't have the flash-ready pins to communicate status or presence to the > camera. > > I'm wondering this, because the OM-3Ti will keep the 1/15 setting, but > wasn't so sure about the OM-4Ti. I'd test it, but I'm about 300 miles away > from the OLHF where a T45 now lives. > > AG-Schnozz > Olympus Living History Farm -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 15:32:44 2008 Received: (qmail 6254 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 14:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 14:32:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B50E430654 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:32:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F3C440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E349D19E6E5 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:32:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D4C19E6F4 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:32:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:32:34 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB4EWV2c023115 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:32:33 GMT Message-ID: <42AD349BEB814B10A573E46E8FBEE92C@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <678902.51379.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:32:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] A few shots at work-darn it X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 15:32:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937ea0c194723675314703 Jerry, Both links look fine and work for me. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Smith" To: "Olympus Camera" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [OM] A few shots at work-darn it > Test, > > I'm running XP, and the wife's is Vista. I use Opera with yahoo and on > hers as well. I sent the second one yesterday on hers using IE. So, this > is a test to see if my problem is Opera w/XP. I'm sending this with IE. > Sorry for the test, thanks for looking. > > Jerry > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/3080659590/ > > > Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 15:56:42 2008 Received: (qmail 32328 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 14:56:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 14:56:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0108430628 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:56:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10642440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033B834AC00B for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:56:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DAC134AC046 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:56:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.155]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:56:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2524506ywa.80 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:56:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.174.16 with SMTP id b16mr6845564mup.28.1228402594773; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:56:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:56:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:56:34 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4937E223.30703@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4937E223.30703@verizon.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 01babab81c7cca42 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 15:56:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937efaa119011234514069 John H wrote: > The 4Ti when set to manual will keep the 1/15th speed, but the flash in > TTL mode may go full dump (full manual, which is what TTL setting is). So, let me make a statement and you can confirm or tell me I'm and idiot. The OM-4Ti, with T-series flash will keep 1/15th second, but the OTF-TTL function is disabled. If you want "auto-flash", the flash must use it's own sensor. The OM-3Ti, with T-series flash will keep 1/15th second, and the OTF-TTL function still works. If you are using the F280 flash on either camera in high-speed sync mode, OTF-TTL actually does not work, but uses on-flash sensor for power-output determination or is Guide-number (fixed output) based. It looks like I've got some serious testing to do. Farmer-Schnozz OM Living History Farm (note name change) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 16:15:17 2008 Received: (qmail 17757 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 15:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 15:15:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52336430634 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:15:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D7A440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D98E34AC004 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:15:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3138E34AC00B for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:15:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBC002DAYCYCP1E@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:14:59 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:15:11 -0500 From: John Hermanson To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Message-id: <4937F3FF.4000403@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 16:15:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937f405208014673671140 AFAIK, what you've said is correct. I've never had a 3Ti long enough to do OTF testing. John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html On 12/4/2008 9:56:34 AM, Ken Norton (ken@zone-10.com) wrote: > John H wrote: > > > The 4Ti when set to manual will keep the 1/15th speed, but the flash in > > TTL mode may go full dump (full manual, which is what TTL setting is). > > > > So, let me make a statement and you can confirm or tell me > I'm and idiot. > > The OM-4Ti, with T-series flash will keep 1/15th second, but the OTF-TTL > function is disabled. If you want "auto-flash", the flash must use it's > own > sensor. The OM-3Ti, with T-series flash will keep 1/15th second, and the > OTF-TTL function still works. If you are using the F280 flash on either > camera in high-speed sync mode, OTF-TTL actually does not work, but uses > on-flash sensor for power-output determination or is Guide-number (fixed > output) based. > > It looks like I've got some serious testing to do. > > Farmer-Schnozz -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 16:29:17 2008 Received: (qmail 17818 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 15:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 15:29:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F7643067D for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:29:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C45B440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:29:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DD119E8EE for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:29:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C3219E8F3 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:29:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2533895ywa.80 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.238.4 with SMTP id p4mr6864685mur.68.1228404547887; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:29:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:29:07 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4937F3FF.4000403@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4937F3FF.4000403@verizon.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: fe2531e433898b77 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 16:29:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937f74d183422070262475 > > AFAIK, what you've said is correct. I've never had a 3Ti long enough to > do OTF testing. > Well, i recon this responsiblity needs to fall to me. I'm up for the task. Stay tuned to this bat channel. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 16:51:40 2008 Received: (qmail 29674 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 15:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 15:51:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416D04306A5 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3B4440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FD134AC04D for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:51:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5048B34AC040 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:51:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22387 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2008 15:51:31 -0000 Received: from dsl081-113-027.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) (stevegoss@[64.81.113.27]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Dec 2008 15:51:30 -0000 Message-ID: <4937FC76.30607@speakeasy.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:51:18 -0600 From: Steve & Alicia Goss User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] Using flashes with the E series cameras X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 16:51:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4937fc8c71861470116606 Hi, Y'all- The E-510 has a built in flash, but it's tiny, and I'm getting less than stellar results on indoor shots. Wen using the attached flash I'm getting red eye on a lot of images now. I didn't get red eye very often with my OM's, because I used a T32 on a bounce grip. Plus, the OM's would control the flash... At an outing to a rock climbing gym I tried using a Sunpak 433 with a zoom adaptor on an E-510 with the 40-150 lens, but the results generally went from bad to awful. I didn't get red eye, but it was obvious that the camera had no idea that a flash was involved. On some shots people have transparent arms because they were moving and the shutter was open way too long, and other shots are totally over exposed. One of the problems is that the distances to the subjects kept varying; the flash was set up in auto mode but was not cutting back enough on its own. Do I have to go to manual flash calculations (after years of letting OTF do it for me), do I need to just crank up the ISO to the maximum and forget the flash, do I have to get a flash dedicated to the E series, or something else? Thanks, Steve Goss, Dallas Tx usa -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 17:10:13 2008 Received: (qmail 32231 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 16:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 16:10:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3248143069C for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C350440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:10:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E12219EC54 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:10:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EAB19EC49 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:10:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:10:02 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB4G9wXN009337 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:10:01 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4937FC76.30607@speakeasy.net> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:10:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Using flashes with the E series cameras X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 17:10:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493800e513991946193717 Steve, I use an E-510. The built-in flash seems to work ok when fairly close to the subject, but I get much better indoor shots by using ISO 400 or 800 and existing light. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve & Alicia Goss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: [OM] Using flashes with the E series cameras > Hi, Y'all- > The E-510 has a built in flash, but it's tiny, and I'm getting less than > stellar results on indoor shots. > > Wen using the attached flash I'm getting red eye on a lot of images now. > I didn't get red eye very often with my OM's, because I used a T32 on a > bounce grip. Plus, the OM's would control the flash... > > At an outing to a rock climbing gym I tried using a Sunpak 433 with a > zoom adaptor on an E-510 with the 40-150 lens, but the results generally > went from bad to awful. I didn't get red eye, but it was obvious that > the camera had no idea that a flash was involved. On some shots people > have transparent arms because they were moving and the shutter was open > way too long, and other shots are totally over exposed. One of the > problems is that the distances to the subjects kept varying; the flash > was set up in auto mode but was not cutting back enough on its own. > > Do I have to go to manual flash calculations (after years of letting OTF > do it for me), do I need to just crank up the ISO to the maximum and > forget the flash, do I have to get a flash dedicated to the E series, or > something else? > > Thanks, Steve Goss, Dallas Tx usa > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 17:55:40 2008 Received: (qmail 6251 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 16:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 16:55:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B6943069D for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:55:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADFD440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC8634AC04D for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:55:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F9634AC004 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:55:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.154]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so2556181yxi.80 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.247.14 with SMTP id z14mr6896975mur.70.1228409727524; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:55:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:55:27 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4937FC76.30607@speakeasy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4937FC76.30607@speakeasy.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 93527379bec3ba72 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Using flashes with the E series cameras X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 17:55:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49380b8c299381470116606 If I understand your question... You probably have the camera in an Auto-Exposure mode. This is not a problem--in fact when I use the Vivitar 285HV flash on my E-1, I have the E-1 in Aperture-Priority mode most of the time. However, certain guidelines must be followed. Here is my configuration in the E-1 which I use for indoor flash work. I'll modify a setting or two as necessary for specific conditions. But this is my starting configuration from my memory-reset #2 for indoor event work. 1. Aperture Priority 2. WB 5300-1 3. Aperture of f4.5 4. ESP 5. Exposure-Compensation of -2 stops. 6. ISO 500 7. The Vivitar 285HV is set on Auto-Yellow So what happens is this: The camera is really not aware of the presence of the flash and will take a picture of the naturally lit room. Depending on conditions and photographer's mood, I'll vary the exposure-compensation from -0.5 to -2.0. This has absolutely no bearing on the flash exposure as it ONLY changes the shutter speed. If the shutter speed gets too high, you'll need to change settings to the "daylight memory-reset (which in my case is #3) or "natural daylight-no flash" which in my case is #1. Or just alter the exposure compensation. Regardless, you MUST keep an eye on the camera's shutter-speed to make sure it stays within an acceptable range. As you have nailed down the ISO and aperture, the only thing that moves around is the shutter-speed. And as long as you are within the max sync speed, shutter-speed has absolutely no bearing on the flash exposure. The flash exposure is determined by the flash's sensor which is measuring reflected light. Depending on the quality of the flash's sensor, (of which a Vivitar 285HV has a good one), the subject will be well lit. One advantage to this particular configuration is that I'm almost always shooting RAW, so if the flash fails to fire, it is just a simple matter of bumping up the exposure during conversion to "save" the picture. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 21:28:04 2008 Received: (qmail 1829 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 20:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 20:28:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C8E4306ED for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA62440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E3419F7C6 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:27:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9591119F7BC for ; 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Something smell rotten? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 21:35:16 2008 Received: (qmail 20370 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 20:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 20:35:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2125C4306BF for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568CA440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBA334AC049 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:35:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDA434AC043 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:35:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 89D3E9852S for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:35:08 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:35:08 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] silence isn't golden Thread-Index: AclWTtKx78wVHPlrTNmtWBrY0EOjsgAAOrLg From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2008 20:35:08.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC189CE0:01C9564F] Subject: Re: [OM] silence isn't golden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 21:35:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49383f0477182070262475 You and several others have come through all morning. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Norton [mailto:ken@zone-10.com] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:28 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] silence isn't golden ping -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. 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WayneS - a bit behind on the list At 10:37 PM 12/3/2008, you wrote: >If I have the OM-4T(i) in manual exposure mode and set the shutter speed to >1/15, what happens when I have a T-series flash in OTF-TTL mode go ready? > Will the camera fire at 1/15 or does the electronic shutter override the >1/15 setting and force it to 1/60? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 22:39:01 2008 Received: (qmail 29843 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 21:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 21:38:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B1A4306B0 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A50A440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:38:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C1A34AC048 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:38:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3A234AC040 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:38:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21954 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2008 21:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2008 21:38:51 -0000 Message-ID: <49384DEA.7070403@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:38:50 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4937FC76.30607@speakeasy.net> In-Reply-To: <4937FC76.30607@speakeasy.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Using flashes with the E series cameras X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 22:39:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49384df5289261234514069 Ken's method will work but it's pretty complicated because he's still clinging to automation and having to watch out for the situations where the automation gets out of hand. Take complete control from the beginning by shutting off all automation and move camera and flash to manual. Your first settings will be a guess if you don't have a meter but your digital gives you instant feedback in the way of chimping the shot and the histogram. Two or three test shots will zero in on the correct exposure... then just leave it there unless you move to a much larger or smaller room. Your choice of a Sunpak 433 is a good one (because it has lots of manual power settings) but I would not trust the auto mode of any flash over more than about 10-15 feet. It's really designed for shooting in your living room with reflective walls and ceiling. Sounds like you were in a large venue and a pretty fair distance away if you were shooting with an 80-300 equivalent lens and with a zoom adapter on the flash. Turn off the auto and go to manual. Since you're shooting far away from the subject set the ISO to 400 or however high you think you can go without significant noise. Set the camera's shutter speed to somewhere between 1/15 and 1/60 in order the capture some ambient light. Since you're using a long lens which will amplify the camera shake you'll want to tend toward the higher end on the shutter speed and and even higher ISO. Even 1/60 second at 300mm equivalent may give you some apparent motion. Use higher ISOs to compensate. Start off (and stay at f/5.6 or higher). Since your 40-150 is not a constant aperture zoom it will change aperture on you unexpectedly if you choose f/4 at the short end and then start zooming in. Probably best to just stay at f/5.6 so you don't get surprised. Set the flash at half power and try a test shot. What does chimping and the histogram say? Too bright? Cut the flash power. Too dark? Up the flash power. Still too dark... oops... already at f/5.6 and can't go bigger without zooming out. Already at full flash power. The only alternative is more ISO or move closer. But if you start moving around any significant distance you will affect the flash exposure distance. Stay still and zoom instead if you can. Since you are shooting from far away the angle between the lens, subject's eyes and the flash head is very small. You're still subject to red eye if you can't get that flash well off the camera. A good solution is to get the flash completely off the camera and on to a light stand somewhere. Trigger it with a cheap Chinese radio slave. Then, once the light is stationary relative to the climbers, you can move around without affecting the exposure. Then add a second flash on another stand to fill the shadows from the first one. Dr. Flash Steve & Alicia Goss wrote: > Hi, Y'all- > The E-510 has a built in flash, but it's tiny, and I'm getting less than > stellar results on indoor shots. > > Wen using the attached flash I'm getting red eye on a lot of images now. > I didn't get red eye very often with my OM's, because I used a T32 on a > bounce grip. Plus, the OM's would control the flash... > > At an outing to a rock climbing gym I tried using a Sunpak 433 with a > zoom adaptor on an E-510 with the 40-150 lens, but the results generally > went from bad to awful. I didn't get red eye, but it was obvious that > the camera had no idea that a flash was involved. On some shots people > have transparent arms because they were moving and the shutter was open > way too long, and other shots are totally over exposed. One of the > problems is that the distances to the subjects kept varying; the flash > was set up in auto mode but was not cutting back enough on its own. > > Do I have to go to manual flash calculations (after years of letting OTF > do it for me), do I need to just crank up the ISO to the maximum and > forget the flash, do I have to get a flash dedicated to the E series, or > something else? > > Thanks, Steve Goss, Dallas Tx usa > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1828 - Release Date: 12/4/2008 8:05 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 22:45:07 2008 Received: (qmail 21649 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 21:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 21:45:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C0A4306E3 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:45:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29344440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:45:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9EB34AC03E for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:45:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DDC34AC03B for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:45:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:45:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25023 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2008 21:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.149.4) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2008 21:44:59 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081204164346.023eaa28@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:44:53 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 22:45:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49384f63312391993019900 At 07:04 AM 12/3/2008, iwert wrote: >... > >I can say the 100/2 is my favourite OM lens. >-- Mine also. Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 4 23:58:47 2008 Received: (qmail 25656 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 22:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 22:58:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC44A4306D3 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:58:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D8C440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DE51A00BF for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:58:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A786A1A00B7 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:58:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.bc2.3941de25 (37121) for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.152]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA017-5bc24938607d23; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:58:10 -0500 Received: from WEBMAIL-MY27 (webmail-my27.sim.aol.com [64.12.109.85]) by smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB011-5bc24938607d23; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:58:05 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:58:05 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-MY27.sysops.aol.com (64.12.109.85) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:58:05 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB247AE6ADB304-17D8-226@WEBMAIL-MY27.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4Ti and OTF flash question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 4 23:58:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493860a7208669347015869 First of all, a celebratory "Hooray" for a Moose post. :-))) Second, this T-flash thing on the 3T vs 4T and how the F280 does its thing or how to modulate the fill has bothered me for many moons. My take on it from a few threads both old and new are as follows: The 3T with a T flash in TTL mode is the only body that can drag the shutter (in this mode) or easily change the ambient/flash ratio by using the exp compensation dial. My read of the esif is that moving the exp comp to + will increase the ambient and the Flash will complete the exposure OTF until satisfied. So, how to adjust overall exp for a non medium toned subject? Probably lie to the camera with the ASA setting. It never actually explicitly says this in the manual but is implied with the general body specs page for the 3T. I would be more than happy to test this with a loaned 3T. I do have a background in experimental design. I'd say a good 3-6 mos period may be required. ;-) I'll stay tuned for AG's observations or any comments if any of the above is not correct. Does the F280 do anything different on a 3T or 4T? Not that I could tell. Tim posted once that the FP mode of the F280 output is essentially fixed---that was totally unclear to me in any literature. Can you modulate a T-flash in TTL on a 4T? Well, only a tad. The John Lind technique for bright fill seems to work. Set the ASA up to dec ambient and make up the difference with exp compensation---need to be sure below synch speed of course. His other technique to do TTL fill won't work as the flash won't fire if the speed is perceived to be above 1/60. Wish it did as manual macro fill can be a pain. Mike Yup. Unless you cover the flash ready connector on the hot shoe. If you do that, the flash ready light won't light, the camera won't know there is a TTL flash attached and: In Manual, you will get 1/15 sec. shutter speed. In Auto, you will get whatever shutter speed is needed to complete the exposure started by the flash, as with the original OM-2. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 00:01:31 2008 Received: (qmail 8535 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2008 23:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 23:01:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7664306E0 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:01:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3EA440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FACF1A00CA for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:01:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FFE1A00C6 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:01:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.150]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 21so1735339eyc.26 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.192.2 with SMTP id u2mr7057120mup.2.1228431682215; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:01:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:01:22 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081204164346.023eaa28@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081204164346.023eaa28@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1adf6ebb51c1c580 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 00:01:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4938614b2791946193717 >I can say the 100/2 is my favourite OM lens. Whenever Joel and I get together he drags out his 100/f2 in an effort to put my lowly 100/f2.8 to shame. :) I've shot with it side-by-side with mine. The f2 lens is absolutely remarkable!!!! The image color is spot-on and the sharpness is incredible. I didn't want to use it for very long as I wished to not be overcome with "lens-envy". However, There are a several things I noted: 1. The 100/f2 doesn't balance on the camera like the 100/f2.8 does. The f2.8 lens is a much better match for the mass and size of the OM body. I think the f2.8 lens is far easier to handhold than the f2. 2. The aperture ring is in back. I know I'm going to have to be retaught with the 35-80, but I've been way to accustomed to having the aperture ring at the nose of the lens. 3. Contrast of the f2 lens is even and smooth over the enter expanse of the image and dynamic range. The f2.8 lens (at least my mid-life design) has an interesting "contrast-enhancement" feature which some could mistake for flare, but isn't. It makes brighter objects stand out from the background by further raising the value of it. It also has some unusual "USM" optical trait. Weird, but true. I've wondered if my whacking it against the side of my truck in anger (long story) had anything to do with it. (what an idiot). For all I know, my 100/2.8 is severely optically flawed. If I was into "exacting work" and needed a perfect "true" lens, the 100/f2 would definitely be at the front of the OM line in accomplishing it. Personally, I think my 100/f2.8 is a bit more "artistic" and meets my vision better. I like how the f2.8 lens "suggests" compositions, whereas the f2 lens is a bit more obedient. The older f2.8 tends to be like a gifted child--brilliant, but full of surprises. Usually not what you expect, but frequently beyond your imagination. If a person were to ask me "which should I buy" and they had no financial reason to choose one over the other, I wouldn't hesitate to suggest the 100/2. The older 100/2.8 is far too compromised of a lens for all purposes. The last generation 100/f2.8 MC lens is "creative neutral", like the 100/f2, but lacks that contrast-enhancement functionality of my copy. If money were no object and a person wanted a medium telephoto, the 100/f2 is best of breed, followed by the 85/f2. The 90/f2 is terrific, but not perfect. The 100/f2.8 is the sleeper of the bunch, but not everybody's cup of tea. A last generation 100/f2.8 lens should be indistinguishable in all areas except for maximum aperture and overall sharpness. Personally, I prefer the smaller, lighter f2.8 lens as optically it is a close match to the 85/2 and it fits in my rather tight camera bag, but most people don't seem to be bothered by size and weight. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 02:20:18 2008 Received: (qmail 13151 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 01:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 01:20:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEF243070C for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:20:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CCC440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A37634AC040 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:20:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9C534AC03E for ; 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d="scan'208";a="450235337" References: <4937E223.30703@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] photo from times past X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 02:20:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493881d2191431993019900 4 Dec 2008 I came across this piece in tomorrow's Daily Telegraph newspaper [London, UK] http://tinyurl.com/5l7ymv Some regard the black and white photo to be one of the most poignant images of the 20th century. jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 05:11:20 2008 Received: (qmail 10508 invoked by uid 0); 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(VPS 080717-0, 2008.07.17), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <4937E223.30703@verizon.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] photo from times past X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 05:11:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4938a9e8227451342116753 John Hudson wrote: > 4 Dec 2008 > > I came across this piece in tomorrow's Daily Telegraph newspaper [London, > UK] > > http://tinyurl.com/5l7ymv > > Some regard the black and white photo to be one of the most poignant images > of the 20th century. > > jh > I hadn't seen that in a very long time but that shot is etched in my brain. Really incredible. Thanks for posting it. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 07:32:52 2008 Received: (qmail 31255 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 06:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 06:32:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0B24306F6 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765F7440006 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:32:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5946E1CD481 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:32:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442731CD483 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:32:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so4141505mue.0 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.217.5 with SMTP id u5mr7180144muq.42.1228458763548; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.40.8 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:32:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:32:43 +0100 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081204164346.023eaa28@zuik.net> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 07:32:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4938cb14183441838542571 > > Hello Ken, two corrections on otherwise spot on observations: > > > There are a several things I noted: > > 1. The 100/f2 doesn't balance on the camera like the 100/f2.8 does. The > f2.8 lens is a much better match for the mass and size of the OM body. I > think the f2.8 lens is far easier to handhold than the f2. To me it balances rather well on the 3Ti, but that is with my homemade grip enhancer :). > > > 2. The aperture ring is in back. I know I'm going to have to be retaught > with the 35-80, but I've been way to accustomed to having the aperture ring > at the nose of the lens. > No, it is in front, The 90f2 is in the back! Iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 10:29:09 2008 Received: (qmail 18541 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 09:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 09:29:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109DD4302DA for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 01:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD332440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 01:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF7A34AC040 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 01:29:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01B234AC03B for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 01:29:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 01:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB59T1kc068403 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 01:29:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id mB59S8EU006691 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 01:28:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB5AX7Rl027817 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 02:33:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200812051033.mB5AX7Rl027817@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:30:09 -0800 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net From: Richard Man Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 2519035 - 89408d14336c X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Subject: [OM] FS: "Soar:" photo with Chinese calligraphy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 10:29:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4938f46516803675314703 You can get a print of the white egret flying to the sky with Chinese calligraphy for a very reasonable price. Please see my blog http://richardfman.wordpress.com for details. Thanks. // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 11:46:45 2008 Received: (qmail 15078 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 10:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 10:46:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205804302DD for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 02:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FDA440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 02:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDC019E114 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 02:46:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6D819E155 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 02:46:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 02:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-98-106.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.98.106]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB5AkYxQ023217 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:46:36 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:46:34 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclWo0yB5rCn3P7qTM6Kww9n/Riv8gAIgfYg Importance: Normal Subject: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 11:46:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4939069538749347015869 Andrew had his new knee attached a bit over a week ago and moved from the hospital to a rehabilitation centre 2 days ago. I went to see him this evening and he is in good spirits (complaining about the food and the tea, etc.). He's getting around pretty well on crutches but is still in quite a bit of pain from the surgery and general damage to his leg. He apologises profusely for the email problems he caused with his "out of office" reply. He'll probably be back on the list within a fortnight. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 12:06:18 2008 Received: (qmail 18273 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 11:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 11:06:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0AED4301B6 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC6F440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:06:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FBD19E1ED for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:06:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=7 tests=[RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADA719E1EB for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:06:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 00:36:35 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.webofnilsson.com (unknown [195.20.207.165]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:06:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.webofnilsson.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007658D18006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:29:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.webofnilsson.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (downpenguin.webofnilsson.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cc3OqhOTW125 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:29:31 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.webofnilsson.com (Postfix, from userid 33) id 8CF228D18005; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:29:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from 192.16.134.69 ([192.16.134.69]) by horde.webofnilsson.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:29:31 +0100 Message-ID: <20081205112931.qxmvbdmr4ssskcs4@horde.webofnilsson.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:29:31 +0100 From: Rickard Nilsson To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Subject: [OM] Radio receivers compatible with FL-36R/FL-50R? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 12:06:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49390b2a15801499373980 Hi, The recent talk about using flashes on E-cameras made me think of the possibility of using a radio receiver for triggering any external flash directly from the E-520 (with its built-in radio transmitter that can control FL-36R/FL-50R), without any need for a dedicated radio transmitter. Is that even possible? Does there exist any radio receiver that is compatible with the E-420/E-520/E-3 on the market? / Rickard Nilsson ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 12:10:51 2008 Received: (qmail 5812 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 11:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 11:10:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D094302D0 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:10:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43884440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:10:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392F734AC03E for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:10:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FE934AC03B for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:10:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:10:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 05 Dec 2008 22:10:39 +1100 Message-ID: <100-2b0c3949-38187.004@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:10:35 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 12:10:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49390c3b287069347015869 Hi Wayne, > Andrew had his new knee attached a bit over a week ago and moved from the > hospital to a rehabilitation centre 2 days ago. I went to see him this > evening and he is in good spirits (complaining about the food and the tea, > etc.). He's getting around pretty well on crutches but is still in quite a > bit of pain from the surgery and general damage to his leg. He apologises > profusely for the email problems he caused with his "out of office" reply. > He'll probably be back on the list within a fortnight. Thanks for the update, I was wondering how he was going. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Never hit a man with glasses. Use your fist! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 13:27:37 2008 Received: (qmail 10566 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 12:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 12:27:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC1F1C40F41 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF2B440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:27:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1014C34AC040 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:27:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E5D34AC03B for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:27:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:27:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28504 invoked by uid 504); 5 Dec 2008 12:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Dec 2008 12:27:27 -0000 Message-ID: <49391E2F.6000402@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:27:27 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20081205112931.qxmvbdmr4ssskcs4@horde.webofnilsson.com> In-Reply-To: <20081205112931.qxmvbdmr4ssskcs4@horde.webofnilsson.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Radio receivers compatible with FL-36R/FL-50R? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 13:27:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49391e39299842336821329 Sorry, but "RC" in the Olympus literature means "Remote Control" and not "Radio Control". All of the camera branded remote flash controls from Olympus and others use infrared signaling rather than radio. That's why you have a line of sight restriction as well as a fairly narrow angle of reception as measured from the camera. If you want to use radio control you'll have to use any of several transmitter/receiver sets available but you won't get TTL control except on extremely high end units such as the Quantum FreeXWire Price is about $370/pair but then you need Quantum Qflash flash heads to go with them which can cost $1,000/head or more. Non-TTL flash control can be had fairly inexpensively. Cheap Chinese made transmitter/receiver pairs from ebay for about $20. Short range, not very reliable. Alien Bees CyberSyncs for $60 (transmitter) and $70 (receiver) and several other brands on up from there to PocketWizard at the top price wise. Dr. Flash who always says manual control is always more reliable and much cheaper than TTL. Invest in a good meter instead. Rickard Nilsson wrote: > Hi, > > The recent talk about using flashes on E-cameras made me think of the > possibility of using a radio receiver for triggering any external > flash directly from the E-520 (with its built-in radio transmitter > that can control FL-36R/FL-50R), without any need for a dedicated > radio transmitter. Is that even possible? Does there exist any radio > receiver that is compatible with the E-420/E-520/E-3 on the market? > > > / Rickard Nilsson > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1829 - Release Date: 12/4/2008 2:59 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 14:03:37 2008 Received: (qmail 31786 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 13:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 13:03:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD17430327 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2DB440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D1D34AC048 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:03:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9208434AC046 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:03:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:03:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBE004WSMXBCQS4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:03:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:03:12 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <9f07ac840812040548oc0c78c8ia749eb3a4ea21f90@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <49392690.4060209@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <1D59BA86-8090-4C69-9C82-C2A3F65315A1@Bytesmiths.com> <4937D998.30105@verizon.net> <9f07ac840812040548oc0c78c8ia749eb3a4ea21f90@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 14:03:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493926a9264931234514069 Had anyone ever used nicads and had disastrous results? ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jez Cunningham wrote: > And if you use NiCads they warm up the plastic so the warning fades away :-) > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:22 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > >> Yes, the QA310 had a warning cast into the body plastic inside the >> battery compartment, "no nicads". >> ___________________________________ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 14:19:47 2008 Received: (qmail 20885 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 13:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 13:19:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4A84302F3 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59740440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:19:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E15919E6CD for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:19:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82E219E6A8 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:19:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out3.tiscali.nl (smtp-out3.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.178]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:19:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out3.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1L8aap-0000Vw-2N for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:19:39 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:19:32 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1D59BA86-8090-4C69-9C82-C2A3F65315A1@Bytesmiths.com> <4937D998.30105@verizon.net> <9f07ac840812040548oc0c78c8ia749eb3a4ea21f90@mail.gmail.com> <49392690.4060209@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <49392690.4060209@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 14:19:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49392a73152781702588592 I have used NiCads in my QA310. They were only 450 mAh capacity at that time and 14 hours charging time at 45mA... I owned a 315V battery pack but soon after purchasing it new batteries became unavailable due to new safety regulations. I also used 6V lead-acid batteries which (I think) have even lower internal resistance than NiCads. I never had any problems with whatever power source I used. But I admit that I always was a slow photographer, taking long pauses between shots for precise metering with my OM-2 and Gossen meters. This allowed the flash gear to cool down considerably between shots. Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:03:12 -0500, John Hermanson wrote: >Had anyone ever used nicads and had disastrous results? >___________________________________ >John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >Olympus OM Service since 1977 >Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > >Jez Cunningham wrote: >> And if you use NiCads they warm up the plastic so the warning fades away :-) >> >> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:22 PM, John Hermanson wrote: >> >>> Yes, the QA310 had a warning cast into the body plastic inside the >>> battery compartment, "no nicads". >>> ___________________________________ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 15:00:31 2008 Received: (qmail 12251 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 14:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 14:00:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF9D430283 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1254440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:00:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE1C34AC03E for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:00:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E618534AC043 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:00:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBE005ZCPKCCPVC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:00:13 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:00:13 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <493933ED.2060307@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 15:00:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493933ff87611342116753 I am glad to hear that Andrew is on the mend. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Wayne Harridge wrote: > Andrew had his new knee attached a bit over a week ago and moved from the > hospital to a rehabilitation centre 2 days ago. I went to see him this > evening and he is in good spirits (complaining about the food and the tea, > etc.). He's getting around pretty well on crutches but is still in quite a > bit of pain from the surgery and general damage to his leg. He apologises > profusely for the email problems he caused with his "out of office" reply. > He'll probably be back on the list within a fortnight. > > ...Wayne > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 15:02:56 2008 Received: (qmail 15769 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 14:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 14:02:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127DC43024E for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:02:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D3F440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:02:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80C619E857 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:02:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=7 tests=[RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA7E19E82F for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:02:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 03:33:13 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.webofnilsson.com (unknown [195.20.207.165]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:02:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.webofnilsson.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF90725C622 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:02:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.webofnilsson.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (downpenguin.webofnilsson.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ceHunckjBjbk for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:02:45 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.webofnilsson.com (Postfix, from userid 33) id 31CC0725C62F; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:02:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from 192.16.134.69 ([192.16.134.69]) by horde.webofnilsson.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:02:45 +0100 Message-ID: <20081205150245.cckr01ifyoc8o44s@horde.webofnilsson.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:02:45 +0100 From: Rickard Nilsson To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <20081205112931.qxmvbdmr4ssskcs4@horde.webofnilsson.com> <49391E2F.6000402@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49391E2F.6000402@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Subject: Re: [OM] Radio receivers compatible with FL-36R/FL-50R? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 15:02:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49393490307582070262475 Ok, I have never investigated it closer, I just sort of assumed "RC" meant radio control. Oh well, I'll have to look for some transmitters/receivers then. Thanks for the info! / Rickard Quoting Chuck Norcutt : > Sorry, but "RC" in the Olympus literature means "Remote Control" and not > "Radio Control". All of the camera branded remote flash controls from > Olympus and others use infrared signaling rather than radio. That's why > you have a line of sight restriction as well as a fairly narrow angle of > reception as measured from the camera. > > If you want to use radio control you'll have to use any of several > transmitter/receiver sets available but you won't get TTL control except > on extremely high end units such as the Quantum FreeXWire > Price is about $370/pair but then you > need Quantum Qflash flash heads to go with them which can cost > $1,000/head or more. > > Non-TTL flash control can be had fairly inexpensively. Cheap Chinese > made transmitter/receiver pairs from ebay for about $20. Short range, > not very reliable. Alien Bees CyberSyncs for $60 (transmitter) and $70 > (receiver) and several other brands > on up from there to PocketWizard at the top price wise. > > Dr. Flash > who always says manual control is always more reliable and much cheaper > than TTL. Invest in a good meter instead. > > > Rickard Nilsson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> The recent talk about using flashes on E-cameras made me think of the >> possibility of using a radio receiver for triggering any external >> flash directly from the E-520 (with its built-in radio transmitter >> that can control FL-36R/FL-50R), without any need for a dedicated >> radio transmitter. Is that even possible? Does there exist any radio >> receiver that is compatible with the E-420/E-520/E-3 on the market? >> >> >> / Rickard Nilsson >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1829 - Release Date: >> 12/4/2008 2:59 PM >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 15:03:05 2008 Received: (qmail 11889 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 14:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 14:03:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5FE430318 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940A1440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:02:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B40A34AC03B for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:02:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C3734AC03E for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:02:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from extsmtp3.localnet.com (extsmtp3.localnet.com [207.251.201.55]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:02:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15933 invoked by uid 1011); 5 Dec 2008 14:02:54 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by bolster (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 0.143671 secs); 05 Dec 2008 14:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp3.localnet.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 14:02:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 13422 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 14:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-7-252.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.7.252]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp5.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 5 Dec 2008 14:02:59 -0000 From: Doug To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:06:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812050906.17535.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: [OM] [OT] Help with Linux broswers problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 15:03:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49393499322851234514069 I know at one point there were a few(couple) of people using Linux. I need some help. Something in my system is intercepting my attempt to go to Google. I don't want to have this conversation on the list so if someone would be so kind to help me off list, it would be greatly appreciated. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 15:06:47 2008 Received: (qmail 6521 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 14:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 14:06:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11806430318 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EB5440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:06:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338D934AC03B for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:06:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B6D34AC043 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:06:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:06:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id A2EFD1A7X6 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:06:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:06:38 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:05:50 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress Thread-Index: AclWo0yB5rCn3P7qTM6Kww9n/Riv8gAIgfYgAAdLOJA= From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2008 14:06:38.0749 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0E9F4D0:01C956E2] Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 15:06:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4939357710737350615338 Thanks for the update. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Harridge [mailto:wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 2:47 AM To: 'Olympus Camera Discussion' Subject: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress Andrew had his new knee attached a bit over a week ago and moved from the hospital to a rehabilitation centre 2 days ago. I went to see him this evening and he is in good spirits (complaining about the food and the tea, etc.). He's getting around pretty well on crutches but is still in quite a bit of pain from the surgery and general damage to his leg. He apologises profusely for the email problems he caused with his "out of office" reply. He'll probably be back on the list within a fortnight. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. 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Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:17:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812050617r4ed78804u91e7301cae0232ea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:17:12 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: ab244cc628a7ddd7 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 15:17:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493937ef220361585427447 Pass on our deepest sympathy - to the nurses... :-) On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Wayne Harridge < wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > he is in good spirits (complaining about the food and the tea... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 15:26:41 2008 Received: (qmail 13554 invoked by uid 0); 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Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.148]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 21so7956eyc.26 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.60.14 with SMTP id i14mr682314fga.21.1228487191280; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.92.3 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:26:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0812050626q67f9d339w8e2e56d67363cb74@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:26:31 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <49392690.4060209@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1D59BA86-8090-4C69-9C82-C2A3F65315A1@Bytesmiths.com> <4937D998.30105@verizon.net> <9f07ac840812040548oc0c78c8ia749eb3a4ea21f90@mail.gmail.com> <49392690.4060209@verizon.net> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 15:26:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49393a21149681744846740 Yea, I've managed to take bad photos no matter *what* type of battery I've used. Charlie On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:03 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > Had anyone ever used nicads and had disastrous results? > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Jez Cunningham wrote: > > And if you use NiCads they warm up the plastic so the warning fades away > :-) > > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:22 PM, John Hermanson > wrote: > > > >> Yes, the QA310 had a warning cast into the body plastic inside the > >> battery compartment, "no nicads". > >> ___________________________________ > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 15:30:47 2008 Received: (qmail 5961 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 14:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 14:30:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693A343032E for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1892E440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086AF19E938 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:30:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.331 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.331 required=7 tests=[DRUGS_ANXIETY=1.331, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C70C19E92F for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:30:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.146]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:30:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 21so8824eyc.26 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:30:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.52.6 with SMTP id z6mr666891fgz.63.1228487440056; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:30:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.92.3 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:30:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0812050630s4d3f02f9i99ea93aedaa83e50@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:30:39 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 15:30:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49393b17113851342116753 Thanks for the update Wayne. I'm glad to hear Andrew's surgery went well, but he is in for a tough couple of weeks (knees are hard). My neighbor had his done and he came home with two presciptions: a painkiller for him and Valium for his wife. Charlie On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:46 AM, Wayne Harridge < wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Andrew had his new knee attached a bit over a week ago and moved from the > hospital to a rehabilitation centre 2 days ago. I went to see him this > evening and he is in good spirits (complaining about the food and the tea, > etc.). He's getting around pretty well on crutches but is still in quite a > bit of pain from the surgery and general damage to his leg. He apologises > profusely for the email problems he caused with his "out of office" reply. > He'll probably be back on the list within a fortnight. > > ...Wayne > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 15:34:57 2008 Received: (qmail 22735 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 14:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 14:34:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E8943032B for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:34:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F454440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DC034AC03E for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:34:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.919 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.919 required=7 tests=[MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.819, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038A334AC03B for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:34:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 04:05:13 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.webofnilsson.com (unknown [195.20.207.165]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.webofnilsson.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF7C725C656; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:34:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.webofnilsson.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (downpenguin.webofnilsson.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i6ZrVewVZkZt; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:34:45 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.webofnilsson.com (Postfix, from userid 33) id 72C64725C65C; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:34:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from 192.16.134.69 ([192.16.134.69]) by horde.webofnilsson.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:34:45 +0100 Message-ID: <20081205153445.xtvkpyhq0w84g0gs@horde.webofnilsson.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:34:45 +0100 From: Rickard Nilsson To: Chuck Norcutt References: <20081205112931.qxmvbdmr4ssskcs4@horde.webofnilsson.com> <49391E2F.6000402@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205134407.evv6lpbm0co488kk@horde.webofnilsson.com> <493935E5.3090201@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <493935E5.3090201@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Cc: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: Re: [OM] Radio receivers compatible with FL-36R/FL-50R? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 15:34:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49393c11161211342116753 Thanks for your comprehensive information! I'm very postitive to the idea of using several cheap non-TTL flashes, and I appreciate your recommendations on models with good manual settings. I will base further investigations on your tips. / Rickard Quoting Chuck Norcutt : > If you're going to go with manual controls then you can use very cheap, > used flash heads. Film based TTL flash units like the T-32 go very > cheaply because they don't work on digital. But the T-32 isn't a > particularly good choice for manual control since it only offers two > power levels. The Canon 540EZ which has 8 levels can be had for as low > as $60 from KEH (BGN if they have one). They tend to sell for a lot > more than that on ebay. I think they're being sold to Canon DSLR > newbies who don't know the flash won't work in TTL mode. :-) Other > good choices are the Sunpak 422/433/444 or 383 (5 power levels). The > 400 series are discontinued film TTL models, the 383 was (until > recently) a current production manual flash. All are basically the > same flash unit with the same power. Some of the 400 series have > interchangeable TTL feet for various camera models or also the "STD" > foot which has no TTL control and turns them into the equivalent of a > 383. Also available used are Sunpak 5xx and 6xx models but these are > rather large and bulky handle mount flashes similar to the T-45 in > size. Also still available new for under $90 is the Vivitar 285HV which > has 4 manual power levels. > > If you're going to be working in manual flash mode then take part of > the considerable savings from not buying multiple TTL flash units and > invest in a good flash meter. I recommend the Sekonic L-358. It's the > lowest cost Sekonic meter that provides a readout on ambient to flash > lighting ratios. That's critical to painlessly getting the right flash > level for daylight fill flash. When the meter says 20-30% flash the > fill ratio is just right. If you attach one of your radio transmitters > to the light meter with a short PC cable you can fire the lights from > the meter. > > > If you can work with a maximum of 30 feet to fire your lights by radio > then the ebay slaves might work for you. I have at least one that can > reach to 150 feet if it's angled correctly (they tend to be very > directional relative to power) but that's an exception. They need to > be tested immediateley after receipt since some won't even make 30 > feet. There are many sellers on ebay selling this "RD616" pair. > > An advantage of the RD616 compared to some others (and there are only a > few) is that it has a PC connector on the back of the receiver. That > will make it much easier to connect to a hot shoe flash. But most hot > shoe flashes (except the Vivitar 285HV and Sunpak 383 and 4xx series > with "STD" foot) don't have provision for a PC cable connection and > need to be attached to the lightstand with a PC cable adapter. While > the Vivitar and some of the Sunpaks do have provision to plug a PC > cable they require their own proprietary connector on the flash end of > the cable. > > The Alien Bees Cyber Syncs are probably the best deal going for > reliable work up to 400 feet. Not the 1/4 mile claimed for > PocketWizards but probably plenty far enough for 99% of all other uses. > > Dr. Flash > > > Rickard Nilsson wrote: >> Ok, I have never investigated it closer, I just sort of assumed >> "RC" meant radio control. Oh well, I'll have to look for some >> transmitters/receivers then. >> >> Thanks for the info! >> >> / Rickard >> >> Quoting Chuck Norcutt : >> >>> Sorry, but "RC" in the Olympus literature means "Remote Control" and not >>> "Radio Control". All of the camera branded remote flash controls from >>> Olympus and others use infrared signaling rather than radio. That's why >>> you have a line of sight restriction as well as a fairly narrow angle of >>> reception as measured from the camera. >>> >>> If you want to use radio control you'll have to use any of several >>> transmitter/receiver sets available but you won't get TTL control except >>> on extremely high end units such as the Quantum FreeXWire >>> Price is about $370/pair but then you >>> need Quantum Qflash flash heads to go with them which can cost >>> $1,000/head or more. >>> >>> Non-TTL flash control can be had fairly inexpensively. Cheap Chinese >>> made transmitter/receiver pairs from ebay for about $20. Short range, >>> not very reliable. Alien Bees CyberSyncs for $60 (transmitter) and $70 >>> (receiver) and several other brands >>> on up from there to PocketWizard at the top price wise. >>> >>> Dr. Flash >>> who always says manual control is always more reliable and much cheaper >>> than TTL. Invest in a good meter instead. >>> >>> >>> Rickard Nilsson wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> The recent talk about using flashes on E-cameras made me think of the >>>> possibility of using a radio receiver for triggering any external >>>> flash directly from the E-520 (with its built-in radio transmitter >>>> that can control FL-36R/FL-50R), without any need for a dedicated >>>> radio transmitter. Is that even possible? Does there exist any radio >>>> receiver that is compatible with the E-420/E-520/E-3 on the market? >>>> >>>> >>>> / Rickard Nilsson >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1829 - Release Date: >>>> 12/4/2008 2:59 PM >>>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus >> Database: 270.9.14/1829 - Release Date: 12/4/2008 2:59 PM >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 15:44:55 2008 Received: (qmail 10252 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 14:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 14:44:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E664302F5 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:44:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40ED1440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2300919E993 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:44:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2241319E953 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:44:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.188]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:44:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so16427gve.21 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.252.17 with SMTP id e17mr56152mus.14.1228488287482; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:44:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:44:47 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1D59BA86-8090-4C69-9C82-C2A3F65315A1@Bytesmiths.com> <4937D998.30105@verizon.net> <9f07ac840812040548oc0c78c8ia749eb3a4ea21f90@mail.gmail.com> <49392690.4060209@verizon.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f0684729db24f777 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 15:44:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49393e67314441585427447 > > I never had any problems with whatever power source I used. But I > admit that I always was a slow photographer, taking long pauses > between shots for precise metering with my OM-2 and Gossen meters. > This allowed the flash gear to cool down considerably between shots. > A couple years ago one of my Vivitar flashes (non 285HV) had the magic smoke escape. It probably had to do with the fact I had taken probably 150 pictures in the previous 20 minutes or so. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 15:54:19 2008 Received: (qmail 17669 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 14:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 14:54:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA529430323 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43E6440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C83C334AC049 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:54:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C1734AC03E for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:54:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L8c4F-0002jP-19 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:54:07 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:54:01 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclWo0yB5rCn3P7qTM6Kww9n/Riv8gAIgfYgAAjZoUA= X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081204-0, 04/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8721/Thu Dec 4 13:26:10 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 15:54:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4939409b99761744846740 Thanks for the update, Wayne. You can pass on the Andrew that I thought that "rehabilitation" suggested an uphill task of Herculean proportions - but reading that he is complaining about the food, suggests that he is back to normal, and must be over the worst already. Shame, the worst is still to come for the staff... ;-) Piers -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Harridge [mailto:wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 05 December 2008 10:47 To: 'Olympus Camera Discussion' Subject: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress Andrew had his new knee attached a bit over a week ago and moved from the hospital to a rehabilitation centre 2 days ago. I went to see him this evening and he is in good spirits (complaining about the food and the tea, etc.). He's getting around pretty well on crutches but is still in quite a bit of pain from the surgery and general damage to his leg. He apologises profusely for the email problems he caused with his "out of office" reply. He'll probably be back on the list within a fortnight. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 15:56:33 2008 Received: (qmail 28218 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 14:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 14:56:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C378943031E for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:56:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A783440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D0919E9EF for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:56:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D9C19E9E8 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:56:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:56:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L8c6N-0003ES-9c for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:56:19 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4937E223.30703@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:56:14 -0000 Message-ID: <5D5BECBC07254EBE8B1D3BDD06B676EC@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclWd6NxMHzwsRNuRY+SJJuJbDTfcgAcbB9Q X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081204-0, 04/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8721/Thu Dec 4 13:26:10 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Subject: Re: [OM] photo from times past X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 15:56:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49394121114097350615338 John, I have to comment (approvingly) on the surrealism of your wording, with a future event described in the past tense "I came across .. tomorrow's paper". Piers -----Original Message----- From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] Sent: 05 December 2008 01:20 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] photo from times past 4 Dec 2008 I came across this piece in tomorrow's Daily Telegraph newspaper [London, UK] http://tinyurl.com/5l7ymv Some regard the black and white photo to be one of the most poignant images of the 20th century. jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 16:03:24 2008 Received: (qmail 2089 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 15:03:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 15:03:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8712743032F for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:03:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEF9440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:03:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C928119EA22 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:03:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5770319EA21 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:03:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:03:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15879 invoked by uid 504); 5 Dec 2008 15:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Dec 2008 15:03:13 -0000 Message-ID: <493942B0.7060607@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:03:12 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20081205112931.qxmvbdmr4ssskcs4@horde.webofnilsson.com> <49391E2F.6000402@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205134407.evv6lpbm0co488kk@horde.webofnilsson.com> <493935E5.3090201@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205153445.xtvkpyhq0w84g0gs@horde.webofnilsson.com> In-Reply-To: <20081205153445.xtvkpyhq0w84g0gs@horde.webofnilsson.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Radio receivers compatible with FL-36R/FL-50R? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 16:03:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493942bc319111993019900 Some of these old Sunpak models with interchangeable feet (like the 422D) can be had with an OM TTL foot (labeled OT-1D). I think the 433 and or the 444 may be fixed TTL feet but can still be found in OM TTL models. If you have no intention of using the flash with OMs it doesn't matter whether it has a TTL foot or not or even what model of camera its for. For an inexpensive tripod/PC adapter shoe I recommend this one. They used to be common on ebay but now harder to find there due to hundreds of auctions for other types which may or may not have a tripod socket on the bottom. But they can be found here: I should note that, after having stated that the T-32 wasn't desirable from a standpoint of only having two power levels, I do use T-32s but in pairs as here. In pairs I can get five power levels: 1/4, 1/2, 1, 1-1/4 and 2X. If they're mounted behind an umbrella as shown here the additional power may be welcome. You should use diffusers such as an umbrella if doing portrait work but is shooting candids in a house you can just bounce off ceilings and walls for even better diffusion. Dr. Flash Rickard Nilsson wrote: > Thanks for your comprehensive information! I'm very postitive to > the idea of using several cheap non-TTL flashes, and I appreciate > your recommendations on models with good manual settings. I will > base further investigations on your tips. > > / Rickard > > Quoting Chuck Norcutt : > >> If you're going to go with manual controls then you can use very cheap, >> used flash heads. Film based TTL flash units like the T-32 go very >> cheaply because they don't work on digital. But the T-32 isn't a >> particularly good choice for manual control since it only offers two >> power levels. The Canon 540EZ which has 8 levels can be had for as low >> as $60 from KEH (BGN if they have one). They tend to sell for a lot >> more than that on ebay. I think they're being sold to Canon DSLR >> newbies who don't know the flash won't work in TTL mode. :-) Other >> good choices are the Sunpak 422/433/444 or 383 (5 power levels). The >> 400 series are discontinued film TTL models, the 383 was (until >> recently) a current production manual flash. All are basically the >> same flash unit with the same power. Some of the 400 series have >> interchangeable TTL feet for various camera models or also the "STD" >> foot which has no TTL control and turns them into the equivalent of a >> 383. Also available used are Sunpak 5xx and 6xx models but these are >> rather large and bulky handle mount flashes similar to the T-45 in >> size. Also still available new for under $90 is the Vivitar 285HV which >> has 4 manual power levels. >> >> If you're going to be working in manual flash mode then take part of >> the considerable savings from not buying multiple TTL flash units and >> invest in a good flash meter. I recommend the Sekonic L-358. It's the >> lowest cost Sekonic meter that provides a readout on ambient to flash >> lighting ratios. That's critical to painlessly getting the right flash >> level for daylight fill flash. When the meter says 20-30% flash the >> fill ratio is just right. If you attach one of your radio transmitters >> to the light meter with a short PC cable you can fire the lights from >> the meter. >> >> >> If you can work with a maximum of 30 feet to fire your lights by radio >> then the ebay slaves might work for you. I have at least one that can >> reach to 150 feet if it's angled correctly (they tend to be very >> directional relative to power) but that's an exception. They need to >> be tested immediateley after receipt since some won't even make 30 >> feet. There are many sellers on ebay selling this "RD616" pair. >> >> An advantage of the RD616 compared to some others (and there are only a >> few) is that it has a PC connector on the back of the receiver. That >> will make it much easier to connect to a hot shoe flash. But most hot >> shoe flashes (except the Vivitar 285HV and Sunpak 383 and 4xx series >> with "STD" foot) don't have provision for a PC cable connection and >> need to be attached to the lightstand with a PC cable adapter. While >> the Vivitar and some of the Sunpaks do have provision to plug a PC >> cable they require their own proprietary connector on the flash end of >> the cable. >> >> The Alien Bees Cyber Syncs are probably the best deal going for >> reliable work up to 400 feet. Not the 1/4 mile claimed for >> PocketWizards but probably plenty far enough for 99% of all other uses. >> >> Dr. Flash >> >> >> Rickard Nilsson wrote: >>> Ok, I have never investigated it closer, I just sort of assumed >>> "RC" meant radio control. Oh well, I'll have to look for some >>> transmitters/receivers then. >>> >>> Thanks for the info! >>> >>> / Rickard >>> >>> Quoting Chuck Norcutt : >>> >>>> Sorry, but "RC" in the Olympus literature means "Remote Control" and not >>>> "Radio Control". All of the camera branded remote flash controls from >>>> Olympus and others use infrared signaling rather than radio. That's why >>>> you have a line of sight restriction as well as a fairly narrow angle of >>>> reception as measured from the camera. >>>> >>>> If you want to use radio control you'll have to use any of several >>>> transmitter/receiver sets available but you won't get TTL control except >>>> on extremely high end units such as the Quantum FreeXWire >>>> Price is about $370/pair but then you >>>> need Quantum Qflash flash heads to go with them which can cost >>>> $1,000/head or more. >>>> >>>> Non-TTL flash control can be had fairly inexpensively. Cheap Chinese >>>> made transmitter/receiver pairs from ebay for about $20. Short range, >>>> not very reliable. Alien Bees CyberSyncs for $60 (transmitter) and $70 >>>> (receiver) and several other brands >>>> on up from there to PocketWizard at the top price wise. >>>> >>>> Dr. Flash >>>> who always says manual control is always more reliable and much cheaper >>>> than TTL. Invest in a good meter instead. >>>> >>>> >>>> Rickard Nilsson wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> The recent talk about using flashes on E-cameras made me think of the >>>>> possibility of using a radio receiver for triggering any external >>>>> flash directly from the E-520 (with its built-in radio transmitter >>>>> that can control FL-36R/FL-50R), without any need for a dedicated >>>>> radio transmitter. Is that even possible? Does there exist any radio >>>>> receiver that is compatible with the E-420/E-520/E-3 on the market? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> / Rickard Nilsson >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1829 - Release Date: >>>>> 12/4/2008 2:59 PM >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus >>> Database: 270.9.14/1829 - Release Date: 12/4/2008 2:59 PM >>> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 9:57 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 16:05:07 2008 Received: (qmail 17344 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 15:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 15:05:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F38D430323 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCE7440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19DB19EA2B for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:04:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=7 tests=[RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666FD19EA2C for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:04:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 21 days 13:16:02 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17022 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 09:04:50 -0600 Received: from pool-96-248-141-77.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.248.141.77) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 09:04:50 -0600 Message-ID: <49394318.3070907@ctgonline.org> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:04:56 -0600 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 16:05:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49394323116141234514069 Wayne Harridge wrote: > profusely for the email problems he caused with his "out of office" reply. > He'll probably be back on the list within a fortnight. > Great to hear about his progress. "Fortnight". Isn't that one of those weird, funny Brit words that we 'Murcans stopped using so we didn't sound so uppity? ;-p -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 16:09:32 2008 Received: (qmail 30366 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 15:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 15:09:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A6043031B for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:09:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4141F440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:09:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DF334AC03E for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:09:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EE934AC043 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:09:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so23996gve.21 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.225.11 with SMTP id c11mr67389mur.24.1228489763595; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:09:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:09:23 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <20081205153445.xtvkpyhq0w84g0gs@horde.webofnilsson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081205112931.qxmvbdmr4ssskcs4@horde.webofnilsson.com> <49391E2F.6000402@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205134407.evv6lpbm0co488kk@horde.webofnilsson.com> <493935E5.3090201@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205153445.xtvkpyhq0w84g0gs@horde.webofnilsson.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: cceaf594e1f12454 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Radio receivers compatible with FL-36R/FL-50R? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 16:09:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4939442c156471234514069 > > Thanks for your comprehensive information! I'm very postitive to > the idea of using several cheap non-TTL flashes, and I appreciate > your recommendations on models with good manual settings. I will > base further investigations on your tips. > I have three sets of ebay triggers and use a combination of Vivitar 285HV and studio monolights. The ebay triggers can be a mixed bag, but I've found that they are extremely unreliable if you have the receivers too close to each other. Anything less than 2m and they will be self-firing all over the place. The transmitters all worked, but some better than others. I would highly recommend getting three sets as at least one transmitter will be less than ideal. For exposure, I typically use a flash meter or do a test-n-chimp. Like Chuck says, the GN listed for a given flash is usually (always?) optimistic and assumes that you are shooting down a hallway with mirrors and the ceiling and walls. I know that the G40 flash is listed this way. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 16:22:24 2008 Received: (qmail 27591 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 15:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 15:22:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEC943031B for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33392440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238F619EAA6 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:22:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874C619EAAE for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:22:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L8cVV-0006vw-Be for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:22:17 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <49394318.3070907@ctgonline.org> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:22:12 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <49394318.3070907@ctgonline.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclW6t75k9Lr+WCvT7Kah+dWQbC3IwAAj+QQ X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081204-0, 04/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8721/Thu Dec 4 13:26:10 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 16:22:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4939473010421470116606 If that was the reason, it didn't work! ;-) Piers -----Original Message----- From: Paul Braun [mailto:cygnus@ctgonline.org] Sent: 05 December 2008 15:05 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress --snip "Fortnight". Isn't that one of those weird, funny Brit words that we 'Murcans stopped using so we didn't sound so uppity? ;-p -- --snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 16:31:16 2008 Received: (qmail 2188 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 15:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 15:31:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AF34302D3 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:31:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A246E440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:31:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9132119EAFA for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:31:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B7E19EADB for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:31:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so30312gve.21 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.102.228.10 with SMTP id a10mr79659muh.26.1228491068353; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:31:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:31:08 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CB22E8E85ED187-16F8-15EF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F88720B950-AC8-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081204164346.023eaa28@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0b7d14becdd56a04 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 16:31:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4939494475311823421471 > > No, it is in front, The 90f2 is in the back! > Oops. My bad. The 90/f2 is a beast with the rear-position aperture ring. The 100/f2 is actually not that much bigger, but it is notably heavier than the 100/f2.8. MUCH more glass inside. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 16:39:00 2008 Received: (qmail 32519 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 15:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 15:38:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E6943030B for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A859440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:38:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF7A19EB34 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:38:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D70119EB38 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:38:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mta-a3.tc.umn.edu (mta-a3.tc.umn.edu [134.84.119.232]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.243.165.139] (216-243-165-139.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.165.139]) by mta-a3.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:38:53 -0600 (CST) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] 216-243-165-139.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.165.139] #+TS+AU+HN Message-ID: <49394B7A.6080007@tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:40:42 -0600 From: Dean Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: Re: [OM] photo from times past X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 16:39:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49394b14173191993019900 John Hudson posted: I came across this piece in tomorrow's Daily Telegraph newspaper [London, UK] http://tinyurl.com/5l7ymv Some regard the black and white photo to be one of the most poignant images of the 20th century. Reading John's post, I thought, "Wonder if this is the Depression-era shot of the tired mother with two kids taken by Dorothea Lange?" Yes, it was. Indeed, it's a poignant shot. Years ago, I cut a copy out of a book (Family of Man?), framed it, and hung it on my wall. Lange's shot of men waiting in line at a soup kitchen is also quite a photo. Sorry, can't give a url for that one. Thanks for the post, John. Dean -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 19:09:45 2008 Received: (qmail 29613 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 18:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 18:09:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD424302EF for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:09:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0417440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:09:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D2134AC040 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:09:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2648334AC046 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:09:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.68]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:09:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 86870 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2008 18:09:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ghxOYBsVM1mdxsgJEF7uWh5Rs1_qSE4m.dy9nOnolutnFrvK9dnjfjwCQiS.5qcln1L1up9RYh2YlLIViepB.VZA.O6ms4oxtn84SZcSnYtlOvsf6kwGLbvwSqZysdCU9o0m4w-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:09:38 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:09:38 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493933ED.2060307@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <514464.86478.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 19:09:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49396e69232871946193717 Good to hear! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 22:24:16 2008 Received: (qmail 31952 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 21:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 21:24:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45301C40F56 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AAD440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497F319FA0E for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:24:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EA519FA07 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:24:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-98-106.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.98.106]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB5LO0rU020137 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:24:02 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:23:59 +1100 Message-ID: <7288CBD0E93D4D20B9257433519E71ED@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <49394318.3070907@ctgonline.org> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclW6t0vG/UXlBuaSbaYkhP7SZpw2gANIXcg Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 22:24:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49399c0054391234514069 > > "Fortnight". Isn't that one of those weird, funny Brit words that we > 'Murcans stopped using so we didn't sound so uppity? > It's still in common use here, I think, never really thought about it before. Weird, now I'm trying to think of when I last heard somebody use it in conversation ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 22:35:26 2008 Received: (qmail 28761 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 21:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 21:35:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F3F1C40F58 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:35:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E913440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0A619FA4A for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:35:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E54519FA43 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:35:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from 4.red-83-44-108.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.44.108.4]:51561 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1L8iKR-0002hi-6L (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:35:16 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7288CBD0E93D4D20B9257433519E71ED@meo.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:35:15 +0100 References: <7288CBD0E93D4D20B9257433519E71ED@meo.dec.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 22:35:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49399e9e324681585427447 I remember US sports commentators using it when speaking about Wimbledon, presumably in an attempt to sound sophisticated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 5, 2008, at 10:23 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> >> "Fortnight". Isn't that one of those weird, funny Brit words that we >> 'Murcans stopped using so we didn't sound so uppity? >> > > It's still in common use here, I think, never really thought about it > before. Weird, now I'm trying to think of when I last heard > somebody use it > in conversation ! > > ...Wayne > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 5 22:47:55 2008 Received: (qmail 12608 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 21:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 21:47:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7CD1C40F6D for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:47:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02B8440006 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:47:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D730834AC03B for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:47:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BBF34AC043 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:47:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:47:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d5b.37c623ee (37567) for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.152]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB044-5bc44939a17a27e; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:47:44 -0500 Received: from WEBMAIL-DC13 (webmail-dc13.webmail.aol.com [205.188.149.35]) by smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB013-5bc44939a17a27e; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:47:38 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:47:38 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.254 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.254 by WEBMAIL-DC13.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.35) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:47:38 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB253A39E94409-D8C-843@WEBMAIL-DC13.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Radio receivers compatible with FL-36R/FL-50R? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 5 22:47:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4939a18b206942046811720 The prices on the cheap yabe radio slaves are less than 1/2 of 2 years ago. I am on my 3rd set. I have a spare receiver and sometimes use both but one transmitter. I tested them before use and it worked for a bit and another failure at a bad time a week ago---bah. The seller Magic_trigger is quite good. ( All the transmitters, receivers look like clones from many of the sellers.) He usually responds to e-mail within a few hours. He cross shipped a new transmitter when the old one crumped and was under warranty. The current one was not under warranty but he is sending a replacement anyway---need to ship the old one back. http://tinyurl.com/5cu5bo Worth the hassle factor? not really, but they do work. The PocketWizzards are too much of a PocketPicker for my taste, unless my livlihood depended on them. I am hoping the Radiopopper Jr will be out in the next few months--slated for the 4th quarter, but suspect it will be delayed due to production issues with the plastic. They are purported to have a range measured in parsecs with a estimated street price of 25 bucks. (I know, still vaporware) They state they will "not sacrifice reliability for economy" despite a goal of keeping the cost way down. Their P1 is shipping and supports the TTL protocols of Can/Nik. The P8 is slated to be released with the RadioPopper Jr. The tech on the phone stated he saw some of the developers running around with Oly flashes. The chip on the P1 has no room to support another protocol, though the P8 does. They should be cheaper than the pocktwizzards and will support TTL at least for many. Whether the TTL protocol from Oly with the E-x, is worth doing this for, I haven't a clue. They are still vaporware as well. Manual is never a bad answer. A. Patient Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 00:02:06 2008 Received: (qmail 10655 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2008 23:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 23:02:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560E9430568 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48DF440056 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D72734AC054 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:01:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA5134AC048 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:01:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:01:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 06 Dec 2008 10:01:48 +1100 Message-ID: <100-84af3949-27234.001@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:47:32 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <49392690.4060209@verizon.net> References: <1D59BA86-8090-4C69-9C82-C2A3F65315A1@Bytesmiths.com> <4937D998.30105@verizon.net> <9f07ac840812040548oc0c78c8ia749eb3a4ea21f90@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840812040548oc0c78c8ia749eb3a4ea21f90@mail.gmail.com> <49392690.4060209@verizon.net> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 00:02:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4939b2ee248501470116606 Hi John, > Had anyone ever used nicads and had disastrous results? YES, on an early model T32, the cap went BANG ! So I dropped my first OM2 :-( So I learnt to use a strap as much as I hate them. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ There is no job so simple it cannot be done wrong. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 02:11:30 2008 Received: (qmail 11524 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 01:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 01:11:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605D043070E for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:11:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FE6440056 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:11:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8060C34AC03E for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:11:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E8034AC03B for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:11:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-1.concepts.nl (smtp-1.concepts.nl [213.197.30.124]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from 5571ffe5.ftth.concepts.nl ([85.113.255.229] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtp-1.concepts.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L8lhT-0006mP-Iq for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:11:15 +0100 Message-Id: From: Olaf Greve To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CB253A39E94409-D8C-843@WEBMAIL-DC13.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 02:11:00 +0100 References: <8CB253A39E94409-D8C-843@WEBMAIL-DC13.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Concepts-MailScanner-Information: Please contact abuse@concepts.nl for more information X-Concepts-MailScanner-ID: 1L8lhT-0006mP-Iq X-Concepts-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Concepts-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Concepts-MailScanner-From: ogreve@millennics.com Subject: [OM] TOPE 36 is live :) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 02:11:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4939d142206701234514069 Hi, It's taken a while longer than I had hoped, but TOPE 36 is live now! Great stuff, so o check it out!!! Also: in case you haven't submitted an entry for TOPE 36 yet (or if you did, and it somehow didn't get across), you can send further submissions still. Cheers! Olafo Main page: http://www.tope.nl Direct link to TOPE 36: http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=36 Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: http://www.tope.nl/events.php -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 03:51:49 2008 Received: (qmail 30437 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 02:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 02:51:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E687A43034C for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368BA440056 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1173734AC046 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:51:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E8F34AC03E for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:51:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 06 Dec 2008 13:51:21 +1100 Message-ID: <100-a6e83949-16015.007@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:51:18 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8CB253A39E94409-D8C-843@WEBMAIL-DC13.sysops.aol.com> <8CB253A39E94409-D8C-843@WEBMAIL-DC13.sysops.aol.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE 36 is live :) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 03:51:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9991 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4939e8c514961744846740 Hi Olaf, > Also: in case you haven't submitted an entry for TOPE 36 yet (or if > you did, and it somehow didn't get across), you can send further > submissions still. If your still allowed to take them as well ? I ordered a new tripod just for TOPE 36 but received it in a very fractured condition. Hope to finally get the replacement on Monday. After discovering the tripod was cactus I decided to take the E510 + FL50 into Camberwell for some nighttime/life shots only to find the $%@$ FL50 didnt want to work, swapped batteries, and went through all the settings and after about 2 hours gave up. Back home that night it worked fine. I'm about ready to give up on this complicated stuff (tech guy for almost 30 years now). I should have taken the OM2n +BG+T32 instead. Havent had time to go back yet but I'd prefer not to use flash for night life shots anyway. If its to late to take a couple its no big deal, I hope to finally have a new and decent tripod again after giving my old one I didnt like away about a while ago. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Windows gives you the productivity of 3 men: Moe, Larry, and Curly Joe. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 06:00:45 2008 Received: (qmail 17358 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 05:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 05:00:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749384306FA for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FBB440056 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:00:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179601CD482 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:00:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA6F1CD481 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:00:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 21 days 22:00:11 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD81259DDC5 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:00:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VU4aZi9BxD2u for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CC4259DDB6 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:00:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <42D3ACB3-B92F-4160-AC27-AE54D47D722A@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:00:25 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Radio receivers compatible with FL-36R/FL-50R? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 06:00:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493a06fd224222046811720 > From: Rickard Nilsson > > The recent talk about using flashes on E-cameras made me think of the > possibility of using a radio receiver for triggering any external > flash directly from the E-520 (with its built-in radio transmitter... I was under the impression that the Olympus remote flash system was infra-red, not radio. :::: Having the last word is the final refuge for those who never had a good point in the first place. :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 09:24:10 2008 Received: (qmail 10323 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 08:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 08:24:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F3D43036B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC9A440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3CB34AC040 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:24:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539E334AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:24:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB68O0LP052550 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:24:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id mB68NvWK068087 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:24:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB69SwJY046771 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 01:28:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200812060928.mB69SwJY046771@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:25:52 -0800 To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" From: Richard Man Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 2534899 - 6e51a72f8d58 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Subject: [OM] FS: Silver Nose 85/2, > 1.1 mil 50/1.4 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 09:24:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493a36aa144177350615338 A nice Silver Nose 85/2 for sale: $275 OBO. > 1.1 mil 50/1.4, $75 OBO I need to raise some funds so any reasonable offer will be accepted. Thanks. // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 09:58:07 2008 Received: (qmail 17089 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 08:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 08:58:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589884306A2 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85EB440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:58:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE4519DA64 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:58:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD9819DA3C for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:58:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB68w07D053810 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:58:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id mB68ve04075622 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:57:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB6A2fsi047050 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 02:02:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200812061002.mB6A2fsi047050@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:59:34 -0800 To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" From: Richard Man Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 2535080 - 2193db86a8d1 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Subject: [OM] OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 09:58:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493a3e9f257751257536491 Wait a minute, if MF-1 and MA-1 differ in thickness, doesn't that mean one of them is not optimal? I have a generic adapter, and it looks to be slightly off (backfocus), could that be the reason? // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 11:19:03 2008 Received: (qmail 5995 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 10:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 10:19:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D71C43072C for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 02:18:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952B2440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 02:18:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A3B34AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 02:18:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFF534AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 02:18:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 02:18:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from 4.red-83-44-108.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.44.108.4]:52856 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1L8uFK-0005m4-18 (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:18:46 +0000 Message-Id: <2C334DAD-9784-4EB6-93A2-7AB04ACCFD6E@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion , Picture a Day discussion group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:18:44 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 49: mountains and light X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 11:19:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493a5197239341234514069 This week was really quite slow, photographically speaking. When I = downloaded the CF card to the computer this morning, there were only = 70 pictures on the card, which had been in my camera since Sunday-- = that's only 2 rolls of film, considerably less than I normally shoot = during a week. But hopefully there is something here that will please = the audience. There is some glorious light, some mountains and a small = town. Sadly, no se=F1oritas this week. http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=3D170 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 15:26:17 2008 Received: (qmail 25371 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 14:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 14:26:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFA5430736 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55353440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD3934AC043 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:26:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBFC34AC040 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:26:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:26:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23635 invoked by uid 504); 6 Dec 2008 14:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 14:26:05 -0000 Message-ID: <493A8B7D.6000300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:26:05 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB253A39E94409-D8C-843@WEBMAIL-DC13.sysops.aol.com> <8CB253A39E94409-D8C-843@WEBMAIL-DC13.sysops.aol.com> <100-a6e83949-16015.007@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: <100-a6e83949-16015.007@comkal.net> Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE 36 is live :) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 15:26:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493a8b89145041838542571 Ouch! Dr. Flash Ian Manners wrote: > After discovering the tripod was cactus I decided to take the > E510 + FL50 into Camberwell for some nighttime/life shots only > to find the $%@$ FL50 didnt want to work, swapped batteries, > and went through all the settings and after about 2 hours > gave up. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 16:31:09 2008 Received: (qmail 30571 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 15:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 15:31:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7E5430775 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 07:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67FE440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 07:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3D734AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 07:31:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087FA34AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 07:31:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 07:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20989 invoked by uid 504); 6 Dec 2008 15:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 15:30:59 -0000 Message-ID: <493A9AB3.2020502@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:30:59 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <2C334DAD-9784-4EB6-93A2-7AB04ACCFD6E@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <2C334DAD-9784-4EB6-93A2-7AB04ACCFD6E@frozenlight.eu> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 49: mountains and light X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 16:31:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493a9abd50221234514069 The clear winner is Alt 11 for the dramatic sky accented with the plane = but Alt 2 wins in the "human interest" category. I can't help but = wonder how that little guy gets where he is. And do I interpret that billboard correctly? Two bedroom apartment with = garage and storage room for 195 Euros/month... or is it per week? If = per month maybe I'll be coming over. Even per week isn't bad. ;-) Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > This week was really quite slow, photographically speaking. When I = > downloaded the CF card to the computer this morning, there were only = > 70 pictures on the card, which had been in my camera since Sunday-- = > that's only 2 rolls of film, considerably less than I normally shoot = > during a week. But hopefully there is something here that will please = > the audience. There is some glorious light, some mountains and a small = > town. Sadly, no se=F1oritas this week. > = > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=3D170 > = > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > = > Nathan > = > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > = > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > = > = > = > = > = > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > = > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com = > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/200= 8 7:08 PM > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 17:08:15 2008 Received: (qmail 1149 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 16:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 16:08:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98194306FF for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:08:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C003440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7751819EB0F for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:08:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD0819EB85 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:08:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.147]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:08:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 21so184496eyc.26 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:08:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.86.10 with SMTP id j10mr1364917ebb.181.1228579687919; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:08:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from user4fec106f50 (cpc1-bahd1-0-0-cust754.renf.cable.ntl.com [81.99.10.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 33sm3015026nfu.68.2008.12.06.08.08.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:08:07 -0800 (PST) From: "David Bell" To: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:07:59 -0000 Message-ID: <0C2FD5C4C68F4D22A00DB2CB176D2CCC@user4fec106f50> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-index: AclXurpZSq97wvgVS1WyHtEwp3AZUQAAgeyQ X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] FW: [OT] Help with PC Blue Screen X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 17:08:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493aa36f157741234514069 _____ From: David W Bell [mailto:david.w.bell@ntlworld.com] Sent: 06 December 2008 15:53 To: 'olympus@thomasclausen.net' Subject: [OT] Help with PC Blue Screen I am no longer au fait with the intricasies of modern operating systems since the demise of 4mb Ram and Ms-dos Blue Screen errors are hitting me fast and furious it seems Dell Dimension 9100 running XP Home SP3 Is there a reliable user friendly free diagnostic program out there which I can install to try and sniff out the issues? Thanks Dave -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 17:43:34 2008 Received: (qmail 6675 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 16:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 16:43:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D235430703 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A796440057 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6CB19ED50 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:43:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E6A19ED23 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:43:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:43:22 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB6GhBpW028522 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:43:17 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <2C334DAD-9784-4EB6-93A2-7AB04ACCFD6E@frozenlight.eu> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:43:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 49: mountains and light X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 17:43:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493aabb6216989347015869 Nathan, Once again, I enjoy touring with you and seeing the things that you find = interesting. The television antennae across the street from you remind me = of the 50s and 60s in the USA. Thanks for sharing. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Nathan Wajsman" To: "Leica Users Group" ; ; = "Olympus Camera Discussion" ; "Picture a Day = discussion group" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:18 AM Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 49: mountains and light > This week was really quite slow, photographically speaking. When I > downloaded the CF card to the computer this morning, there were only > 70 pictures on the card, which had been in my camera since Sunday-- = > that's only 2 rolls of film, considerably less than I normally shoot > during a week. But hopefully there is something here that will please > the audience. There is some glorious light, some mountains and a small > town. Sadly, no se=F1oritas this week. > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=3D170 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 17:48:39 2008 Received: (qmail 6715 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 16:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 16:48:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479BC430702 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:48:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCBA440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B51F19ED76 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:48:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11F319ED70 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:48:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:48:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25021 invoked by uid 504); 6 Dec 2008 16:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 16:48:29 -0000 Message-ID: <493AACDD.9090603@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 11:48:29 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0C2FD5C4C68F4D22A00DB2CB176D2CCC@user4fec106f50> In-Reply-To: <0C2FD5C4C68F4D22A00DB2CB176D2CCC@user4fec106f50> Subject: Re: [OM] FW: [OT] Help with PC Blue Screen X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 17:48:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493aace7264803675314703 Are you already running good antivirus and other anti-malware software? Normally, the most likely cause of problems is some sort of malware vs. hardware. If you need antivirus software try the free version of "AVG" Read carefully and watch what you click along the way as they will try numerous times to get you to change your mind to the not free version. Just persist and you'll get there. You should also install something like "Spybot Search & Destroy" which looks for other forms of malware beyond viruses. If that doesn't help or the system doesn't stay up long enough to install and run it then try coming in at the hardware level. Dell Diagnostics for the Dimension 9100 can be found here: More general info on the 9100 start here: Chuck Norcutt David Bell wrote: > > > > > _____ > > From: David W Bell [mailto:david.w.bell@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 06 December 2008 15:53 > To: 'olympus@thomasclausen.net' > Subject: [OT] Help with PC Blue Screen > > > > I am no longer au fait with the intricasies of modern operating systems > since the demise of 4mb Ram and Ms-dos > > > > Blue Screen errors are hitting me fast and furious it seems > > > > Dell Dimension 9100 running XP Home SP3 > > > > Is there a reliable user friendly free diagnostic program out there which I > can install to try and sniff out the issues? > > > > Thanks > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 17:54:19 2008 Received: (qmail 13541 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 16:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 16:54:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801644307D2 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E09440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:54:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B923C34AC043 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:54:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDFC34AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:54:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4944 invoked by uid 503); 6 Dec 2008 16:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jeff410) (om-list@71.202.108.126) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 16:54:10 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <200812061002.mB6A2fsi047050@mail.imagecraft.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:54:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3FB1ED18ADFF42C9B368981848470E83@Jeff410> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclXgMBFFCmdZASlS7ObEbdE9D83dgAQQCQg In-Reply-To: <200812061002.mB6A2fsi047050@mail.imagecraft.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 17:54:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493aae3b104974673671140 The generic Nikon to EOS adapters can cause big problems. http://www.16-9.net/lens_tests/15mm_2/sigma1224vnikon15f.html If the thickness is off it should only affect the lenses having floating lens elements. If all of the lens elements move together as a single group, the distance markings would be off but the lens would work fine otherwise. So for OM lenses: many of the f2 lenses, the big white telephotos, probably the zooms, and some of the nice third party telephotos such as the Tamron 400/4 may suffer. The MF-1 and MA-1 looked like they were within measurement tolerances of each other according to the article Piers posted a link to. -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Richard Man [mailto:richard-lists@imagecraft.com] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:00 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... Wait a minute, if MF-1 and MA-1 differ in thickness, doesn't that mean one of them is not optimal? I have a generic adapter, and it looks to be slightly off (backfocus), could that be the reason? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 18:04:29 2008 Received: (qmail 30264 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 17:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 17:04:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098D6430726 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000AE440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:04:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D856534AC046 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:04:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9DC34AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:04:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13179 invoked by uid 503); 6 Dec 2008 17:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jeff410) (om-list@71.202.108.126) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 17:04:21 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <200812061002.mB6A2fsi047050@mail.imagecraft.com> <3FB1ED18ADFF42C9B368981848470E83@Jeff410> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:04:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclXgMBFFCmdZASlS7ObEbdE9D83dgAQQCQgAAB8PSA= In-Reply-To: <3FB1ED18ADFF42C9B368981848470E83@Jeff410> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 18:04:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ab09d203701470116606 Forgot to add - if you are consistently having backfocus issues with a manual focus lens, your focus screen is not aligned correctly with your sensor (different distance). Live view might be sensitive enough to provide a check with your manual focus. My eyes aren't good enough to trust my manual focus abilities - I stop down after focusing. My E-3 seems to have about a 1/2 degree rotation on the sensor. I've been using a geared leveling head with leveling bubbles for most of my shots. Most of the time I have to rotate the image about 1/2 degree. Prior to using the head I mostly had to make a clockwise correction but it wasn't consistent enough to be sure that it wasn't operator error. -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Keller [mailto:om-list@jkeller.com] The generic Nikon to EOS adapters can cause big problems. http://www.16-9.net/lens_tests/15mm_2/sigma1224vnikon15f.html If the thickness is off it should only affect the lenses having floating lens elements. If all of the lens elements move together as a single group, the distance markings would be off but the lens would work fine otherwise. So for OM lenses: many of the f2 lenses, the big white telephotos, probably the zooms, and some of the nice third party telephotos such as the Tamron 400/4 may suffer. The MF-1 and MA-1 looked like they were within measurement tolerances of each other according to the article Piers posted a link to. -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Richard Man [mailto:richard-lists@imagecraft.com] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:00 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... Wait a minute, if MF-1 and MA-1 differ in thickness, doesn't that mean one of them is not optimal? I have a generic adapter, and it looks to be slightly off (backfocus), could that be the reason? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 18:07:59 2008 Received: (qmail 24350 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 17:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 17:07:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72BE2430722 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:07:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794EF440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621C319EE2D for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:07:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D3519EE22 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:07:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from webmail-out.lnh.mail.rcn.net (webmail-out.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.109]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:07:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.92]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 Dec 2008 12:07:49 -0500 Received: (from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net [209.6.134.92]) by ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.5-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id BXC55840 (AUTH lmwoods@rcn.com); Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:07:48 -0500 (EST) From: Lawrence Woods To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.8.5-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081206120748.BXC55840@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:07:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [OM] Fortnight (was Mr. Fildes' Progress) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 18:07:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ab16f186589347015869 > "Fortnight". Isn't that one of those weird, funny Brit > words that we 'Murcans stopped using so we didn't sound > so uppity? I think it fell out of use here because it was only found in Agatha Christie novels, and nobody remembered the conversion tables. If I remember my conversion tables correctly, 1 fortnight plus six farthings divided by 2 Imperial pints equals 6 troy ounces. We'll just have to weight for Andrew to get back to the list. Sorry. ----- Larry Woods lmwoods@rcn.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 18:11:42 2008 Received: (qmail 31845 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 17:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 17:11:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971F9430702 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:11:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2406B440057 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:11:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1484934AC04D for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:11:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB43534AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:11:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18472 invoked by uid 503); 6 Dec 2008 17:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jeff410) (om-list@71.202.108.126) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 17:11:10 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <0C2FD5C4C68F4D22A00DB2CB176D2CCC@user4fec106f50> <493AACDD.9090603@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:11:23 -0800 Message-ID: <77BC97BD03CA4ADFB6066149A804B484@Jeff410> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclXwnvbIb0cnQvRSJSNvyQthJqOkwAAlBiw In-Reply-To: <493AACDD.9090603@chucknorcutt.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] FW: [OT] Help with PC Blue Screen X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 18:11:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ab24e72281234514069 If you've had the computer awhile and it only recently started showing problems, Chuck's advice to use Spybot S & D is very good. Also try Adaware. XP should be quite reliable. It was several years ago that my daughter's computer was infected with spyware. Spybot removed it. If your computer is brand new, the only thing I can suggest is to try eliminating software which tries to talk to hardware. -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:48 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] FW: [OT] Help with PC Blue Screen Are you already running good antivirus and other anti-malware software? Normally, the most likely cause of problems is some sort of malware vs. hardware. If you need antivirus software try the free version of "AVG" Read carefully and watch what you click along the way as they will try numerous times to get you to change your mind to the not free version. Just persist and you'll get there. You should also install something like "Spybot Search & Destroy" which looks for other forms of malware beyond viruses. If that doesn't help or the system doesn't stay up long enough to install and run it then try coming in at the hardware level. Dell Diagnostics for the Dimension 9100 can be found here: More general info on the 9100 start here: Chuck Norcutt David Bell wrote: > > > > > _____ > > From: David W Bell [mailto:david.w.bell@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 06 December 2008 15:53 > To: 'olympus@thomasclausen.net' > Subject: [OT] Help with PC Blue Screen > > > > I am no longer au fait with the intricasies of modern operating systems > since the demise of 4mb Ram and Ms-dos > > > > Blue Screen errors are hitting me fast and furious it seems > > > > Dell Dimension 9100 running XP Home SP3 > > > > Is there a reliable user friendly free diagnostic program out there which I > can install to try and sniff out the issues? > > > > Thanks > > > > Dave > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 18:12:38 2008 Received: (qmail 21280 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 17:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 17:12:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8E343070A for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:12:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED50440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA95334AC043 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:12:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 620D034AC040 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:12:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.248]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so486768rvb.50 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.165.14 with SMTP id n14mr584785wfe.280.1228583552104; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.14.20 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:12:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0812060912v2eed8c8flec152b96cd706665@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:12:32 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [OM] Back from Digest-Lalala-land X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 18:12:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ab28621774673671140 Howdy, I was on the digest, sort of, for the last six months. Mainly gmail sent them to the spam folder. Ken Norton and I had dinner on a rainy Friday night close to harvest time with Chuck Norcutt and his bride on their way across the country (USA) to meet up with Moose. I never heard how that went and feared, based on the complete conquest of the list by the erstwhile listmum Thomas Clausen, that some critical mass and subsequent explosion was unwittingly promulgated through the meeting of the coastal Canonical titans. Dare I hope the OM list crew continues to make nice and occasionally says something good and even worthwhile about Mother Olympus? There is more, but I'll see how this missive fares. Best regards, Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 18:16:28 2008 Received: (qmail 32233 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 17:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 17:16:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A667A430707 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:16:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179E2440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0377D34AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:16:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2173634AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:16:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from 4.red-83-44-108.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.44.108.4]:53331 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1L90lG-0004R5-8U (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:16:10 +0000 Message-Id: <600B6C71-76DD-4B06-84F9-1645D172D339@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493A9AB3.2020502@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:16:09 +0100 References: <2C334DAD-9784-4EB6-93A2-7AB04ACCFD6E@frozenlight.eu> <493A9AB3.2020502@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 49: mountains and light X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 18:16:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ab36c185741702588592 Thanks for looking, Chuck. Your order of preference is pretty close to = mine. As for the billboard, yes, two bedroom apartment near the beach (but = not in the first line) for =80 195K, allegedly reduced from =80 243K. Lots = of new, empty apartments like that around here. 2-3 years ago most of = the buyers would have been Brits, Germans and Dutch (with a sprinkling = of other Northern Europeans thrown in) looking either for a pleasant = place to retire, or if younger, just a vacation home. Now with the = deep recession all over the place, home price falling in the source = countries, and in the case of the UK, a sharp fall in the value of the = pound vs. the Euro during the past year, those buyers are staying away. Mainly because of that, Spain is now in a fairly severe recession. It = was not directly affected by the financial crisis--no big Spanish bank = has failed or needed government support, but the spillover effects on = the real economy have hit as hard here as anywhere else. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 6, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The clear winner is Alt 11 for the dramatic sky accented with the = > plane > but Alt 2 wins in the "human interest" category. I can't help but > wonder how that little guy gets where he is. > > And do I interpret that billboard correctly? Two bedroom apartment = > with > garage and storage room for 195 Euros/month... or is it per week? If > per month maybe I'll be coming over. Even per week isn't bad. ;-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> This week was really quite slow, photographically speaking. When I >> downloaded the CF card to the computer this morning, there were only >> 70 pictures on the card, which had been in my camera since Sunday-- >> that's only 2 rolls of film, considerably less than I normally shoot >> during a week. But hopefully there is something here that will please >> the audience. There is some glorious light, some mountains and a = >> small >> town. Sadly, no se=F1oritas this week. >> >> http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=3D170 >> >> As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. >> >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: = >> 12/5/2008 7:08 PM >> > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 18:18:46 2008 Received: (qmail 30668 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 17:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 17:18:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F1043070F for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:18:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8AFDD04067 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB02834AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:18:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B1C34AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:18:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.156]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so212604yxh.32 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.102.8 with SMTP id z8mr580261agb.56.1228583919209; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.28.6 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:18:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:18:39 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b52dbb9ecbcc8834 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Did you know... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 18:18:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ab3f648962336821329 Did you know... ...that the 35-80/f2.8 lens is actually larger than the 14-54 that came with my E-1? Here, all along, we've been grousing on how "large" the lenses are for digital cameras. By the time I put a winder on the OM body and with the 35-80 zoom, the rig is almost identically sized to the E-1 rig (minus vertical battery grip). Unlike the OM system, though, the E-1 kit doesn't get any smaller. The 35-80 is one really really sweet lens! Thanks Jim! A full report to follow at some juncture. -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 18:22:02 2008 Received: (qmail 7871 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 17:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 17:22:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4EF43076F for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:22:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB68D04067 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E6C19EEAD for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:21:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CF219EEA7 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:21:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8788 invoked by uid 504); 6 Dec 2008 17:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 17:21:18 -0000 Message-ID: <493AB48D.4090302@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:21:17 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200812061002.mB6A2fsi047050@mail.imagecraft.com> In-Reply-To: <200812061002.mB6A2fsi047050@mail.imagecraft.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 18:22:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ab4ba151131529615919 I may be outside my league here but I can't imagine that any error in the thickness of the adapter can lead to backfocus on a manually focused lens. I would look first to your eyes or a problem with the mirror or screen position. In fact, problems with the screen or mirror position would probably also lead to autofocus problems... so we're left with your eyes. Problems with the thickness of the adapter (assuming they are significant) would manifest themselves as inability to focus as close as the spec states if the adapter was too thin or inability to focus to infinity if the adapter was too thick. In between there would be no indication of a problem other than the focusing scale on prime lenses might not agree with the actual distance. But even that I think would require a truly gross error since those distance scales are themselves rather gross indicators. The thing that could easily prove me wrong here is if you can consistently focus correctly with a DZ lens set for manual focus but can't do it with an OM Zuiko on your adapter. The difference in thickness reported for the MA-1 and MF-1 was 0.01 mm or 0.0004 inches. First of all, I'm not sure that that difference is significant. Is the machining spec really down to a tolerance less than that? I rather doubt it given that film thickness variations and film curl while on the pressure plate probably dwarf that dimension. Chuck Norcutt Richard Man wrote: > Wait a minute, if MF-1 and MA-1 differ in thickness, doesn't that > mean one of them is not optimal? I have a generic adapter, and it > looks to be slightly off (backfocus), could that be the reason? > > > // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, > please use richard at imagecraft.com) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 18:27:40 2008 Received: (qmail 15042 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 17:27:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 17:27:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25CE430730 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:27:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0AF440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:27:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6879E34AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:27:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA18334AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:27:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:27:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11524 invoked by uid 504); 6 Dec 2008 17:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 17:27:29 -0000 Message-ID: <493AB601.7080705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:27:29 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <2C334DAD-9784-4EB6-93A2-7AB04ACCFD6E@frozenlight.eu> <493A9AB3.2020502@chucknorcutt.com> <600B6C71-76DD-4B06-84F9-1645D172D339@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <600B6C71-76DD-4B06-84F9-1645D172D339@frozenlight.eu> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 49: mountains and light X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 18:27:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ab60c193022070262475 Ah, I see my error. That was a purchase price in thousands of Euros vs = a monthly rental price in units of Euros. So, relative to here, not so = cheap for a 2 bedroom house. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Thanks for looking, Chuck. Your order of preference is pretty close to = > mine. > = > As for the billboard, yes, two bedroom apartment near the beach (but = > not in the first line) for =80 195K, allegedly reduced from =80 243K. Lot= s = > of new, empty apartments like that around here. 2-3 years ago most of = > the buyers would have been Brits, Germans and Dutch (with a sprinkling = > of other Northern Europeans thrown in) looking either for a pleasant = > place to retire, or if younger, just a vacation home. Now with the = > deep recession all over the place, home price falling in the source = > countries, and in the case of the UK, a sharp fall in the value of the = > pound vs. the Euro during the past year, those buyers are staying away. > = > Mainly because of that, Spain is now in a fairly severe recession. It = > was not directly affected by the financial crisis--no big Spanish bank = > has failed or needed government support, but the spillover effects on = > the real economy have hit as hard here as anywhere else. > = > Nathan > = > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > = > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > = > = > = > On Dec 6, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > = >> The clear winner is Alt 11 for the dramatic sky accented with the = >> plane >> but Alt 2 wins in the "human interest" category. I can't help but >> wonder how that little guy gets where he is. >> >> And do I interpret that billboard correctly? Two bedroom apartment = >> with >> garage and storage room for 195 Euros/month... or is it per week? If >> per month maybe I'll be coming over. Even per week isn't bad. ;-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>> This week was really quite slow, photographically speaking. When I >>> downloaded the CF card to the computer this morning, there were only >>> 70 pictures on the card, which had been in my camera since Sunday-- >>> that's only 2 rolls of film, considerably less than I normally shoot >>> during a week. But hopefully there is something here that will please >>> the audience. There is some glorious light, some mountains and a = >>> small >>> town. Sadly, no se=F1oritas this week. >>> >>> http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=3D170 >>> >>> As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. >>> >>> Nathan >>> >>> Nathan Wajsman >>> Alicante, Spain >>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>> >>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y= =3D0 >>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: = >>> 12/5/2008 7:08 PM >>> >> -- = >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > = > = > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > = > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com = > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/200= 8 7:08 PM > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 18:29:04 2008 Received: (qmail 31958 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 17:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 17:29:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219D8430707 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2915440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C371619EF17 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:28:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C8319EF0C for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:28:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12168 invoked by uid 504); 6 Dec 2008 17:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 17:28:58 -0000 Message-ID: <493AB65A.4050507@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:28:58 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20081206120748.BXC55840@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> In-Reply-To: <20081206120748.BXC55840@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Fortnight (was Mr. Fildes' Progress) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 18:29:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ab66064222046811720 That was good, Larry. :-) Chuck Nrocutt Lawrence Woods wrote: >> "Fortnight". Isn't that one of those weird, funny Brit words that >> we 'Murcans stopped using so we didn't sound so uppity? > > I think it fell out of use here because it was only found in Agatha > Christie novels, and nobody remembered the conversion tables. > > If I remember my conversion tables correctly, 1 fortnight plus six > farthings divided by 2 Imperial pints equals 6 troy ounces. We'll > just have to weight for Andrew to get back to the list. > > Sorry. > > ----- Larry Woods lmwoods@rcn.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 18:36:50 2008 Received: (qmail 32052 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 17:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 17:36:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EE1430763 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F337440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7864A34AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:36:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886E034AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:36:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.92]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 98566 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2008 17:36:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _eP1aHQVM1kpubpGixoffY82keXruXeM_AxV3nTfkF1Oj4SfgDz3yhYYv5lpUyWkPusnTjqPjRXOlOb_sD6gYxPPGtOmwijukF5Zwt6.PtaFuLx6IvoBJ5FFgAg3j1ikJFikd4RbLUWeVciNIpaBRf6TgQJEbUjRAc0_ZsI- Received: from [86.168.225.145] by web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:36:42 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:36:42 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus mailing list MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <919061.95926.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] OM to Canon adapter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 18:36:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ab83228589117217770 Hi all, Slightly different take on adapters...STILL with Olympus content. I have evolved into a 2 system setup. I use an Olympus E1, and E510 with an assortment of Zuiko lenses. I would like to try macro with my Canon 40D using my Zuiko 80mm and 135mm macro heads, as well as trying my 100mm f2.8.....24mm f2.8...35mm shift lens etc. Can anyone recommend a good Canon to Olympus adapter, or are they all similar/ Any ones to avoid? Any comments / experiences would be helpful. Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 18:47:42 2008 Received: (qmail 17588 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 17:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 17:47:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E04E43072B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:47:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076F9440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:47:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE31B34AC040 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:47:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A8134AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:47:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:47:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16330 invoked by uid 503); 6 Dec 2008 17:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jeff410) (om-list@71.202.108.126) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 17:47:34 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <919061.95926.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:47:33 -0800 Message-ID: <17437B212F8E4CA8BF2217D591F34018@Jeff410> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclXyTcGsRb9it39RQuR+juOoOKwWwAAC2eA In-Reply-To: <919061.95926.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM to Canon adapter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 18:47:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ababe277791869477228 The cheap generic adapters seem to work okay for the optics. The one I had loosened up which could be solved by inserting a knife blade in some slots to spread the aluminum apart. Eventually the locking mechanism failed - soft aluminum. The fotodiox adapters seem to be best. There also seems to be a clone of fotodiox which looks identical. Keep your eyes open. They are sometimes available "cheep, cheep - might not need to be the early bird". Ex: 350132423863(sold). The Nikon to EOS I have doesn't have any labels on the faces of the mount. -jeff -----Original Message----- From: JOHN DUGGAN [mailto:john.duggan10@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:37 AM To: Olympus mailing list Subject: [OM] OM to Canon adapter Hi all, Slightly different take on adapters...STILL with Olympus content. I have evolved into a 2 system setup. I use an Olympus E1, and E510 with an assortment of Zuiko lenses. I would like to try macro with my Canon 40D using my Zuiko 80mm and 135mm macro heads, as well as trying my 100mm f2.8.....24mm f2.8...35mm shift lens etc. Can anyone recommend a good Canon to Olympus adapter, or are they all similar/ Any ones to avoid? Any comments / experiences would be helpful. Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 19:06:39 2008 Received: (qmail 29861 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 18:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 18:06:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7081430715 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:06:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038FF440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:06:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A4B19F0A6 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:06:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356F719F093 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:06:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so226365yxi.80 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.93.8 with SMTP id q8mr593366agb.38.1228586778073; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.28.6 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:06:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:06:18 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0812060912v2eed8c8flec152b96cd706665@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0812060912v2eed8c8flec152b96cd706665@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: cee6a54cd6964bbe Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Back from Digest-Lalala-land X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 19:06:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493abf2f35251035110158 Joel (rising like a Phoenix from the dead) Wilcox wrote:> Dare I hope the OM list crew continues to make nice and > occasionally says something good and even worthwhile about Mother Olympus? Thanks to the help of others, I'm doing my part to keep the OM flame burning! The mid-Iowa OM harem is quickly approaching the breadth and depth of the eastern-Iowa OM harem. The "OM Living History Farm" is alive and well and looking forward to a Olympus Group Outing to photograph the eagles at Lake Red Rock. Rumor has it that T-Scales might join us this year. I think his blood has thinned a bit from last winter. Of course, 2/3 of our equipment will pay homage to him as it has passed through his hands at one point. AG-farmhand-Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 19:17:22 2008 Received: (qmail 20217 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 18:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 18:17:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652EF430788 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2B2440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A41D34AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:17:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0886A34AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:17:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:17:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1829 invoked by uid 504); 6 Dec 2008 18:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 18:17:11 -0000 Message-ID: <493AC1A7.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:17:11 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0812060912v2eed8c8flec152b96cd706665@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0812060912v2eed8c8flec152b96cd706665@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Back from Digest-Lalala-land X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 19:17:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ac1b262151993019900 Hey, good to hear from you. We had a good time with you and AG but that was a pretty soggy night! Apparently you were not drowned on the way home. Moose and I and our special others met in Berzerkely at Moose's place. Moose and I together constituted a substantial mass together but apparently just below the critical level. We and Berzerkely are still here. We were careful to only inspect OMs while together in his house lest adding the two 5Ds to the mix push us over the edge of criticality. We enjoyed a good dinner at a local Thai place and an equally good breakfast at a place serving much more Americana fare. Do not drive with the Moose in his car in the hills around his house unless you like roller coaster rides. Exciting. My bride's teeth are still clenched from the combination of that ride following only a little behind similar hair raising mountain driving maneuvers on US 199 approaching the coastal redwoods from Oregon. On that stretch of road if the curve warning sign says 10 or 15 mph... it means it. Around Moose's place there are no curve warning signs and no guard rails. :-) I'm hopeful that mother Olympus will do something really significant with the micro 4/3s. A really compact digicam with interchangeable lenses might tempt me to add it to the stable. Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > Howdy, > I was on the digest, sort of, for the last six months. Mainly gmail > sent them to the spam folder. > > Ken Norton and I had dinner on a rainy Friday night close to harvest > time with Chuck Norcutt and his bride on their way across the country > (USA) to meet up with Moose. I never heard how that went and feared, > based on the complete conquest of the list by the erstwhile listmum > Thomas Clausen, that some critical mass and subsequent explosion was > unwittingly promulgated through the meeting of the coastal Canonical > titans. Dare I hope the OM list crew continues to make nice and > occasionally says something good and even worthwhile about Mother > Olympus? > > There is more, but I'll see how this missive fares. > > Best regards, > Joel W. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 19:23:42 2008 Received: (qmail 2182 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 18:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 18:23:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E08043080A for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84903440057 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:23:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4F234AC048 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:23:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F32F34AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:23:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.78] (78.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.78]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713A53DA38F for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:23:25 +1300 (NZDT) From: bj@caverock.net.nz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:23:23 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <493B79EB.20575.33E0E2@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081205-0, 05/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress (OT) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 19:23:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ac32e290562336821329 Paul Braun asked " "Fortnight". Isn't that one of those weird, funny Brit words that we 'Murcans stopped using so we didn't sound so uppity? " In regular use here (in New Zealand) especially in written usage, though people are more likely to use " a couple-a weeks". We also differ in the meaning given to the use of " momentarily" - as illustrated by this exchange on an airliner travelling west across the northern USA. "The plane will be landing at Chicago momentarily". To which a couple of New Zealanders asked "will it be on the ground long enough for us to get off?". "Momentarily" in NZ usage means "for a very short duration". In the USA it seems to mean "in a few moments' time". Quite different. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 19:23:43 2008 Received: (qmail 14537 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 18:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 18:23:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93C943072B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D67440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:23:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B75E34AC046 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:23:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F89934AC043 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:23:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.78] (78.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.78]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3840B3DA37F for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:23:23 +1300 (NZDT) From: bj@caverock.net.nz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:23:22 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <493B79EA.26931.33DF2C@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081205-0, 05/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 19:23:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ac32f118701234514069 Hi all John Hermanson asked "Had anyone ever used nicads and had disastrous results?" Yes, the inadvertent use of Nicads ruined one of my QA (Quick auto) 310 Olympus flash units. I forget now what functions don't work after the event, but it is basically 'history' as far as doing what it was intended to do is concerned.. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 19:23:57 2008 Received: (qmail 25721 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 18:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 18:23:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC6043078D for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A85440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1914B34AC043 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:23:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28D534AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:23:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:23:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.78] (78.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.78]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2543DA39F for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:23:26 +1300 (NZDT) From: bj@caverock.net.nz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:23:23 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <493B79EB.23790.33E22A@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081205-0, 05/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] On free film. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 19:23:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ac33d97662070262475 The Zuiko 100/2 is a favourite of mine on the E1, especially when I want a shallow DOF - then it sometimes is too shallow, so I switch to the 50/3.5 macro (both for close-up / still life work).. However, as I use it more, I really like the ZD 14-54 that I bought from Bob Whitmire a few weeks back. It focuses quite close and is pretty sharp. I use it on both landscapes and flower portraits to excellent effect. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 19:46:56 2008 Received: (qmail 12921 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 18:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 18:46:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3C6430729 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD730440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:46:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B9619F1D6 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:46:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DCF19F1F1 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:46:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:46:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14879 invoked by uid 504); 6 Dec 2008 18:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 18:46:48 -0000 Message-ID: <493AC898.1020800@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:46:48 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <919061.95926.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <17437B212F8E4CA8BF2217D591F34018@Jeff410> In-Reply-To: <17437B212F8E4CA8BF2217D591F34018@Jeff410> Subject: Re: [OM] OM to Canon adapter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 19:46:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ac8a0271374673671140 I have 3 ebay adapters of two different makes all made of chrome plated brass. The only problems that I have had is that the tolerances on two of the adapters will not allow certain non-Zuiko lenses to fit although all of my Zuikos will fit. All fit the camera perfectly. The only problem lens I care about is the Vivitar Series 1 90/2.5 macro so that one goes permanently on the adapter that doesn't pose any fit problems. Unfortunately, that adapter disappeared from availability long ago. The other two adapters are semi-permanently fitted to my Zuiko 24/2.8 and Tokina 17/3.5. They are occasionally removed and fitted to other Zuikos but for the most part the wide angle end is most in need. The 24/2.8 is lesser used these days since I added a Tamron 20-40 to the stable. Much to my surprise that turned out to be the most heavily used lens on my big trip even though I had bought a Tamron 24-135 in anticipation of the trip. Faced with wide open western spaces my view of the world became much wider angled than I was previously accustomed to. The only other lens I can recall at the moment that proved to be a fit problem was the Soligor CD 35-70/2.5-3.5. But that one weighs a ton and I'm not sure I've ever even used it on an OM body. The svelte Zuiko 35-70/4 is more in tune with what I'd like to carry. Chuck Norcutt Jeff Keller wrote: > The cheap generic adapters seem to work okay for the optics. The one I had > loosened up which could be solved by inserting a knife blade in some slots > to spread the aluminum apart. Eventually the locking mechanism failed - soft > aluminum. > > The fotodiox adapters seem to be best. There also seems to be a clone of > fotodiox which looks identical. > > Keep your eyes open. They are sometimes available "cheep, cheep - might not > need to be the early bird". Ex: 350132423863(sold). The Nikon to EOS I have > doesn't have any labels on the faces of the mount. > > -jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: JOHN DUGGAN [mailto:john.duggan10@btinternet.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:37 AM > To: Olympus mailing list > Subject: [OM] OM to Canon adapter > > Hi all, > Slightly different take on adapters...STILL with Olympus content. > I have evolved into a 2 system setup. I use an Olympus E1, and E510 with an > assortment of Zuiko lenses. > I would like to try macro with my Canon 40D using my Zuiko 80mm and 135mm > macro heads, as well as trying my 100mm f2.8.....24mm f2.8...35mm shift lens > etc. > Can anyone recommend a good Canon to Olympus adapter, or are they all > similar/ Any ones to avoid? Any comments / experiences would be helpful. > > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 19:59:21 2008 Received: (qmail 19416 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 18:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 18:59:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3904307A8 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:59:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B657440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2116B19F210 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:49:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E816319F1FD for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:49:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:49:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3310 invoked by uid 503); 6 Dec 2008 18:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jeff410) (jeff@jkeller.com@71.202.108.126) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 18:49:36 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:49:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclX02L4YF/lRCRFS3WgZCyTStMFNw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:58:57 -0800 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Geared Head - PhotoClam Multiflex X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 19:59:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493acb89308761234514069 A couple months ago I posted a link to the PhotoClam Multiflex head. A member of the large format group runs a small company selling photo equipment. He has started carrying the Multiflex head. (It is a copy of the Arca Swiss Cube). He mentions a limited time opportunity to get it for $685. http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?p=416974#post416 974 FYI - Kerry has provided much useful info about LF photography such as: http://www.thalmann.com/largeformat/future.htm (many useful pages on his website) http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/testing.html (with Perez) -jeff -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 20:15:20 2008 Received: (qmail 7331 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 19:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 19:15:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D055430775 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFFC440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:15:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E5134AC040 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:15:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356F434AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:15:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25330 invoked by uid 503); 6 Dec 2008 19:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jeff410) (om-list@71.202.108.126) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 19:15:13 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:15:13 -0800 Message-ID: <5F73F664CD4A4C6A8AA27ED8578F6586@Jeff410> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclX1vbsZbzNpJ6mQHO0R3veWzwQ9w== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] PhotoClam Multiflex head X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 20:15:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493acf48126041234514069 A couple months ago I posted a link to the PhotoClam Multiflex head. A member of the large format group runs a small company selling photo equipment. He has started carrying the Multiflex head. (It is a copy of the Arca Swiss Cube). He mentions a limited time opportunity to get it for $685. http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?p=416974#post416 974 FYI - Kerry has provided much useful info about LF photography such as: http://www.thalmann.com/largeformat/future.htm (many useful pages on his website) http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/testing.html (with Perez) -jeff -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 20:49:53 2008 Received: (qmail 32637 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 19:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 19:49:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE0B4307F6 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7A4440056 for ; 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Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:49:39 +0000 Message-Id: <1B94745E-2C73-4D90-8C8E-3098AC9768F2@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Picture a Day discussion group , Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:49:37 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 5/12/2008: a little slice of life X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 20:49:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ad761189411234514069 We don't live in the Netherlands anymore, but my daughter insisted on keeping at least one Dutch tradition, Sinterklaas: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#431360035_7gfpG-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 21:15:40 2008 Received: (qmail 32591 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 20:15:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 20:15:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564A2430723 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90630440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A4A19F52F for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:15:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD8B19F529 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:15:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21519 invoked by uid 504); 6 Dec 2008 20:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 20:15:18 -0000 Message-ID: <493ADD56.4000507@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:15:18 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493B79EB.23790.33E22A@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <493B79EB.23790.33E22A@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] On free film. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 21:15:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493add6c232382070262475 You can achieve the same DOF with the 100/2 as the 50/3.5 if you either 1) close down the 100/2 by four stops at the same distance 2) double the shooting distance at the same f stop examples: 1) you're shooting from 25 cm at f/4 with the 50mm. You can switch to the 100mm from the same distance if you close down to f/16. 2) you're shooting from the same 25 cm at f/4 with the 50mm. You can use the 100mm at f/4 if you move out to 50cm. Dr. DOF bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > The Zuiko 100/2 is a favourite of mine on the E1, especially when I want a > shallow DOF - then it sometimes is too shallow, so I switch to the 50/3.5 > macro (both for close-up / still life work).. > > However, as I use it more, I really like the ZD 14-54 that I bought from Bob > Whitmire a few weeks back. It focuses quite close and is pretty sharp. > I use it on both landscapes and flower portraits to excellent effect. > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 21:25:52 2008 Received: (qmail 2382 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 20:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 20:25:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434A6430734 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:25:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC39440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:25:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFCF19F576 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:25:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723BE19F569 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:25:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:25:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so339509ugf.21 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.244.10 with SMTP id w10mr603042mur.71.1228595144026; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:25:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:25:43 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 62ba8882f2bf5a37 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 21:25:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493adfd0109731234514069 Yes, I managed to actually get this one finished in reasonable time. The OM-3Ti Camera Review is now posted on www.zone-10.com for all to see. Standard "Shameless Plug Alert". The OM-3Ti and Zuiko 35-80 F2.8 lens are recent arrivals to the OM Living History Farm. In fact, the lens just arrived and was mounted to the camera for the photographs in the review. In case you can't tell--yes I like it! If you encounter factoid errors, let me know and I'll promptly correct them. -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 21:26:03 2008 Received: (qmail 27744 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 20:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 20:26:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFFC43077C for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:26:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACAF440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB5334AC048 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:25:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B5D34AC040 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:25:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp02.online.nl (smtp02.online.nl [194.134.41.32]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:25:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp02.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FF6A064 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:25:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:25:53 +0100 (CET) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:25:51 +0100 Message-ID: <0412393B3D0048C3ABB53870707BF536@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-reply-to: <1B94745E-2C73-4D90-8C8E-3098AC9768F2@frozenlight.eu> Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp02.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 5/12/2008: a little slice of life X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 21:26:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493adfdb13211529615919 Good tradition to keep up Nathan! BTW in the Netherlands Sinterklaas is usualy celebrated in the evening of the 5th. Of december. As long as the children are small and "believers" the (grand) parents buy toys and stuff for them an give eachother small presents. When the children are older in most families everyone writes their wishes (mostly with a limit of course ;-)) on a small note together with their name. All the notes are put in a hat and everyone pulls one out. For the one you pulled ouit the hat you buy some presents and make a surprise with a poem of some kind. Most of the time it can get quite hilarious. At least we hads fun last night! Cheers, Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Nathan Wajsman [mailto:photo@frozenlight.eu] > Verzonden: zaterdag 6 december 2008 20:50 > Aan: Picture a Day discussion group; Leica Users Group; > leica@freelists.org; Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: [OM] Nathan's PAD 5/12/2008: a little slice of life > > > We don't live in the Netherlands anymore, but my daughter > insisted on > keeping at least one Dutch tradition, Sinterklaas: > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#431360035_7gfpG-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 22:06:55 2008 Received: (qmail 19070 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 21:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 21:06:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC2C43080E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:06:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE809440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:06:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A1534AC040 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:06:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D55334AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:06:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so541379wfd.26 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.217.17 with SMTP id p17mr659802wfg.275.1228597609634; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.14.20 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:06:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0812061306g2fc044c5vf9b9d265038009de@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:06:49 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493AC1A7.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0812060912v2eed8c8flec152b96cd706665@mail.gmail.com> <493AC1A7.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Back from Digest-Lalala-land X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 22:06:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ae96f31331234514069 On 12/6/08, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Hey, good to hear from you. We had a good time with you and AG but that > was a pretty soggy night! Apparently you were not drowned on the way home. Hi Chuck, It was nip and tuck on the drowning part. A bit of a white-knuckle drive home. But worth it for the fellowship. :) > Moose and I and our special others met in Berzerkely at Moose's place. > Moose and I together constituted a substantial mass together but > apparently just below the critical level. We and Berzerkely are still > here. We were careful to only inspect OMs while together in his house > lest adding the two 5Ds to the mix push us over the edge of criticality. > We enjoyed a good dinner at a local Thai place and an equally good > breakfast at a place serving much more Americana fare. Do not drive > with the Moose in his car in the hills around his house unless you like > roller coaster rides. Exciting. My bride's teeth are still clenched > from the combination of that ride following only a little behind similar > hair raising mountain driving maneuvers on US 199 approaching the > coastal redwoods from Oregon. On that stretch of road if the curve > warning sign says 10 or 15 mph... it means it. Around Moose's place > there are no curve warning signs and no guard rails. :-) You might have enjoyed it more if you'd had what he was smoking.;^) > I'm hopeful that mother Olympus will do something really significant > with the micro 4/3s. A really compact digicam with interchangeable > lenses might tempt me to add it to the stable. > > Chuck Norcutt I think my wife would like a 420 but I have barely gotten her to accept her 4 MP Stylus, one of the last with an optical viewfinder. And I have to do all the computer work for her, so I have to be careful what I wish for. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 22:35:44 2008 Received: (qmail 20169 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 21:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 21:35:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6413C4307EB for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:35:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96103440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862C219F6F9 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:35:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E678119F6E5 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:35:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:35:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KBH008B859WUD70@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:34:44 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-8-64.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.8.64]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:31:42 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:34:43 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <005A80F5F8DE4445BC7A933A605CDDCA@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlgRANN+OkkYighA/2dsb2JhbACBZ4gYwn8Hgn4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,725,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="453266545" References: Subject: [OM] For sale - 4" x 5" film holders X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 22:35:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493af030142441591313764 Looking for a new home are two black 4" x 5" film holders both of which were newly purchased by me. Both are in very good to excellent condition and have not been used for eight years during which time they have been stored in a sealed black film bag in a deep freezer. The dual in-and-out-sliders move smoothly. The sliders' locking twirleys function perfectly. The outer shells show no sign of warping or cracking. There is some light scoring on both sides of the sliders. The fold out brackets at the bottom of either side fit perfectly when in the closed position and show a snug fit with the bottom of the sliders. As to manufacturer, the holders show "Toyo Cut Film Holder 4x5, Sakai Special Camera Mfg Co., Ltd, Japan" If anyone is interested please respond off list. There is no charge. I will pay postage. The only request is that their new owner sends me a post card of their local scenery. John Hudson -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 22:37:13 2008 Received: (qmail 16510 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 21:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 21:37:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A803D43072C for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9057D440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:37:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844C934AC040 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:37:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E227F34AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:37:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50995 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L94pj-0003ck-EK for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:37:03 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:36:57 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 Thread-Index: AclX6sN1Aj1CAcPeEd2ctwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 22:37:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493af089224671869477228 Great review. I never considered buying one because the cost is simply prohibitive for someone who has never made more than $20,000 in a year (and that was an exceptional year). I have 2 OM-4T bodies, one given to me by Olympus and the other sold to me cheap by a friend in New Mexico ($200 in near mint condition!). They work well enough. I would like to own a 35-80 lens though, given its reputation. I was kinda disappointed that the review didn't really say much about it. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 12/6/08 3:25 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > Yes, I managed to actually get this one finished in reasonable time. The > OM-3Ti Camera Review is now posted on www.zone-10.com for all to see. > Standard "Shameless Plug Alert". > The OM-3Ti and Zuiko 35-80 F2.8 lens are recent arrivals to the OM Living > History Farm. In fact, the lens just arrived and was mounted to the camera > for the photographs in the review. > > In case you can't tell--yes I like it! > > If you encounter factoid errors, let me know and I'll promptly correct them. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 22:50:24 2008 Received: (qmail 1937 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 21:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 21:50:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01E54307B0 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:50:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F02440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BBC19F744 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:50:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E088119F73E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:50:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28200 invoked by uid 504); 6 Dec 2008 21:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 21:50:15 -0000 Message-ID: <493AF397.10905@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:50:15 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <005A80F5F8DE4445BC7A933A605CDDCA@hudson> In-Reply-To: <005A80F5F8DE4445BC7A933A605CDDCA@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] For sale - 4" x 5" film holders X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 22:50:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493af3a0294601585427447 I've only ever even touched a few 4x5s and never actually shot with one. I'll take this opportunity to ask how standard are 4x5 film holders? Do they all meet the same specification for outside dimensions and distance to film from front and back edges such that film plane distance is the same as the ground glass? Sorry, I'm almost clueless in this area. Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > Looking for a new home are two black 4" x 5" film holders both of which were > newly purchased by me. > > Both are in very good to excellent condition and have not been used for > eight years during which time they have been stored in a sealed black film > bag in a deep freezer. The dual in-and-out-sliders move smoothly. The > sliders' locking twirleys function perfectly. The outer shells show no sign > of warping or cracking. There is some light scoring on both sides of the > sliders. The fold out brackets at the bottom of either side fit perfectly > when in the closed position and show a snug fit with the bottom of the > sliders. > > As to manufacturer, the holders show "Toyo Cut Film Holder 4x5, Sakai > Special Camera Mfg Co., Ltd, Japan" > > If anyone is interested please respond off list. There is no charge. I will > pay postage. The only request is that their new owner sends me a post card > of their local scenery. > > John Hudson > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 22:55:48 2008 Received: (qmail 1591 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 21:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 21:55:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61EA4307FD for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1A5440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC0919F75A for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:55:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3097F19F757 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:55:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.183]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:55:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c29so480076ika.6 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:55:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.214.8 with SMTP id r8mr620435muq.92.1228600540836; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:55:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:55:40 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 33b3c6315247684e Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 22:55:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493af4e4284141234514069 > > I would like to own a 35-80 lens though, given its reputation. I was kinda > disappointed that the review didn't really say much about it. > > Well, don't fret about that omission. There will be an in-depth review of that lens once I've had a chance to do more than just fondle it. Honestly, all I've done is clean the glass, put it on the OM-3Ti and "shadow shoot" with it around the house. But from my early observations, this will be an excellent "event photography" lens which will probably set up near-permanent shop on the OM-3Ti. In a way, I was hoping that it would "replace" a lens or two in the collection. The only one that even comes close to being threatened, however, is the 35 F2.8. The 50 Macro is safe as is the 100mm. As well-corrected as the 35-80 is, I do note some distortion which may preclude me from doing away with my primes for exacting work, such as photographing buildings and interiors. The 35-80 does handle and feel very much like the 14-54. Unfortunately, I just can't seem to locate that Aperture ring on the 14-54. But my point is, that I have the impression I can shoot the E-1 with 14-54 and an OM with 35-80 side by side without needing retraining between shots. (according to the bottle, my hair-color is blond) As crazy as it sounds at first, I'd actually consider backpacking with just the OM-3Ti and 35-80 zoom. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 22:58:18 2008 Received: (qmail 3224 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 21:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 21:58:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E695430763 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFFAB440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:58:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D7634AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:58:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3314834AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:58:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB6Lw22B091168 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:58:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id mB6LvfdF099753 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:57:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB6N2hgD056902 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:02:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200812062302.mB6N2hgD056902@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:59:34 -0800 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: Richard Man In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 2541490 - f4614a8b7147 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 22:58:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493af57a116003675314703 Think there is a typo: "Each click on a Zuiko lens' aperture ring is one stop and each click on the aperture ring is one stop...." One of those "aperture" should be shutter speed? The ability to manually expose while firing a flash is something I love on the E-3. I altogether keep not using it too often because I am generally an available shooter, but the slight fill is exactly what is needed a lot of times... Also, I think the Leica R6.2 shares many of the perceived advantages of the OM-3T and thus is also as proportionally highly valued in the R system... At 12:25 PM 12/6/2008, you wrote: >Yes, I managed to actually get this one finished in reasonable time. The >OM-3Ti Camera Review is now posted on www.zone-10.com for all to see. > Standard "Shameless Plug Alert". >The OM-3Ti and Zuiko 35-80 F2.8 lens are recent arrivals to the OM Living >History Farm. In fact, the lens just arrived and was mounted to the camera >for the photographs in the review. > >In case you can't tell--yes I like it! > >If you encounter factoid errors, let me know and I'll promptly correct them. > // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 23:08:59 2008 Received: (qmail 14678 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 22:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 22:08:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420BD1C40F38 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F33440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858E719F759 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:08:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A427619F782 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:08:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:08:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f33so630163fkf.14 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.117.9 with SMTP id u9mr633594mum.55.1228601332207; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:08:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:08:52 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493AF397.10905@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <005A80F5F8DE4445BC7A933A605CDDCA@hudson> <493AF397.10905@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1c9b0e6e85d917dc Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] For sale - 4" x 5" film holders X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 23:08:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493af7fb20151234514069 > > I've only ever even touched a few 4x5s and never actually shot with one. > I'll take this opportunity to ask how standard are 4x5 film holders? > Do they all meet the same specification for outside dimensions and > distance to film from front and back edges such that film plane distance > is the same as the ground glass? Sorry, I'm almost clueless in this area. > As far as I know all 4x5 film holders meet the same standardized size and shape to conform with the Graphlex back. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 6 23:32:20 2008 Received: (qmail 31163 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 22:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 22:32:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA531C40F5E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:32:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DBD440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42EEA19F831 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:32:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0AE19F92A for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:32:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:32:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8325 invoked by uid 503); 6 Dec 2008 22:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jeff410) (om-list@71.202.108.126) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 22:32:09 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <005A80F5F8DE4445BC7A933A605CDDCA@hudson><493AF397.10905@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:32:13 -0800 Message-ID: <5CE98CCCFF4C459DA144504D33CA4FDF@Jeff410> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclX7zveTCGG3bH0T6SkqZSDSdEIfQAAHOGw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] For sale - 4" x 5" film holders X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 6 23:32:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493afd74267978512572685 -----Original Message----- From: Ken Norton [mailto:ken@zone-10.com] Subject: Re: [OM] For sale - 4" x 5" film holders > > I've only ever even touched a few 4x5s and never actually shot with one. > I'll take this opportunity to ask how standard are 4x5 film holders? > Do they all meet the same specification for outside dimensions and > distance to film from front and back edges such that film plane distance > is the same as the ground glass? Sorry, I'm almost clueless in this area. > As far as I know all 4x5 film holders meet the same standardized size and shape to conform with the Graphlex back. AG ----------- I've heard of roll film holders which have slightly different dimensions for the width of some of the raised bars which lock the position of the holder. If I remember correctly the Sinar was the odd one. I vaguely remember hearing that a very early Graphic (prior to the Crown Graphic?) had an issue with cut film holders. Toyo holders have a good reputation. I have heard of people having problems with the ground glass not being mounted correctly and I believe a few people have found defective film holders. Unless the camera maker wants to make and sell film holders, he has to make sure his camera works with what is available. I've heard that above 8x10 there isn't much standardization. -jeff (using quickload 4x5 on a 5x7 & wanting to eventually shoot some 5x7 cut film) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 00:31:55 2008 Received: (qmail 26012 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 23:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 23:31:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48BB1C40F4D for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A748440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B0A34AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:31:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC5034AC043 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:31:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([71.31.236.46]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081206233148.XYGT4923.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:31:48 -0600 Received: from XPS400.alltel.net ([71.31.236.46]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081206233148.ZZMG7110.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:31:48 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:31:46 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: Johnny Johnson In-Reply-To: <919061.95926.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <919061.95926.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081206233148.ZZMG7110.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=xz2cebD1jO8WiY+PL72wDw==:17 a=7fAwMcQwNzbyn2EHuxQA:9 a=b-KSRSD2kfw1hjK9zSgA:7 a=0yECnntYC6an-RswpNZep7noRe4A:4 a=_KtGf5bnNxAA:10 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 Subject: Re: [OM] OM to Canon adapter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 00:31:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b0b6b60091342116753 At 12:36 PM 12/6/2008, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: >Hi all, > Slightly different take on adapters...STILL with Olympus content. >I have evolved into a 2 system setup. I use an Olympus E1, and E510 >with an assortment of Zuiko lenses. >I would like to try macro with my Canon 40D using my Zuiko 80mm and >135mm macro heads, as well as trying my 100mm f2.8.....24mm >f2.8...35mm shift lens etc. >Can anyone recommend a good Canon to Olympus adapter, or are they >all similar/ Any ones to avoid? Any comments / experiences would be helpful. Hi John, I'd highly recommend the adapters sold by eBay seller happypagehk. Most of his are adapters are chipped and, if you're willing to purchase one for each lens, can be programmed with the focal length and maximum aperture of the lens so that info shows up in the EXIF data. Some people also feel that having the lens info in the chip minimizes some of the erratic metering that can result from using adapted lenses on Canon bodies. Here's the item number for one of his auction listings: 270311805725 Later, Johnny __________________________ Johnny Johnson Cleveland, GA mailto:jjohnso4@alltel.net -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 00:36:58 2008 Received: (qmail 19651 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 23:36:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 23:36:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539FD1C40F4C for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:36:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763D2440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:36:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D1034AC043 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:36:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3082934AC040 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:36:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2835 invoked by uid 504); 6 Dec 2008 23:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2008 23:36:47 -0000 Message-ID: <493B0C8F.3090909@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:36:47 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 00:36:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b0c9a45721234514069 I enjoyed that one and learned a bit that surprised me. As long as I've shot with OMs and appreciated the proximity of shutter speed and aperture ring I've never realized that the two were sync'd for exposure shifting. While I now own an OM-4 (my first OM with spot meter beyond the 2s) I've never actually used it yet. I've read about the spot meter usage several times but I've never seen it so well explained. But I do wish the meter was expose to the right rather than expose to the left. :-) It just seems to me that everything I own (cameras and meter) all have the dial turning the wrong way to adjust exposure. Oh, well. One confusion point: You say "The OM-3Ti, not having the ability to actually override your choice in shutter speeds, will allow you to set the shutter-speed to any speed--including ones which exceed flash sync. I personally make use of this ability by dragging the shutter to maintain a proper ambient exposure or for special effect." I interpreted "exceed flash sync" as shutter speeds *faster* than 1/60. But the next sentence made it clear the you really meant *slower* than 1/60. It might be better worded as "... including ones with are slower than flash sync." Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > Yes, I managed to actually get this one finished in reasonable time. The > OM-3Ti Camera Review is now posted on www.zone-10.com for all to see. > Standard "Shameless Plug Alert". > The OM-3Ti and Zuiko 35-80 F2.8 lens are recent arrivals to the OM Living > History Farm. In fact, the lens just arrived and was mounted to the camera > for the photographs in the review. > > In case you can't tell--yes I like it! > > If you encounter factoid errors, let me know and I'll promptly correct them. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 00:58:55 2008 Received: (qmail 5556 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2008 23:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 23:58:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACC01751995 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FBC440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCE619FC83 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:58:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF57A19FC7E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:58:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KBH008GNBXMV1B0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:58:34 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-8-64.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.8.64]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:59:22 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:58:33 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlgRAJOgOkkYighA/2dsb2JhbACBZ4gYwlAHgn4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,726,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="239082450" References: <005A80F5F8DE4445BC7A933A605CDDCA@hudson> <493AF397.10905@chucknorcutt.com> <5CE98CCCFF4C459DA144504D33CA4FDF@Jeff410> Subject: Re: [OM] For sale - 4" x 5" film holders X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 00:58:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b11bf181591257536491 Just to correct or eliminate any confusion; there are no ground glass plates in these two 4" x 5" film holders of mine. I should add that both holders do look to be of solid construction and accurate tolerances. They have both held "out of the box" film without any evidence of being squished into place or slopping about in an oversized space. jh jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [OM] For sale - 4" x 5" film holders > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Norton [mailto:ken@zone-10.com] > > Subject: Re: [OM] For sale - 4" x 5" film holders > >> >> I've only ever even touched a few 4x5s and never actually shot with one. >> I'll take this opportunity to ask how standard are 4x5 film holders? >> Do they all meet the same specification for outside dimensions and >> distance to film from front and back edges such that film plane distance >> is the same as the ground glass? Sorry, I'm almost clueless in this >> area. >> > > > As far as I know all 4x5 film holders meet the same standardized size and > shape to conform with the Graphlex back. > > AG > > ----------- > > I've heard of roll film holders which have slightly different dimensions > for > the width of some of the raised bars which lock the position of the > holder. > If I remember correctly the Sinar was the odd one. I vaguely remember > hearing that a very early Graphic (prior to the Crown Graphic?) had an > issue > with cut film holders. > > Toyo holders have a good reputation. > > I have heard of people having problems with the ground glass not being > mounted correctly and I believe a few people have found defective film > holders. Unless the camera maker wants to make and sell film holders, he > has > to make sure his camera works with what is available. > > I've heard that above 8x10 there isn't much standardization. > > -jeff > (using quickload 4x5 on a 5x7 & wanting to eventually shoot some 5x7 cut > film) > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 01:06:04 2008 Received: (qmail 21788 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 00:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 00:06:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0871C40F41 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:06:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2B3440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F45A34AC040 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:05:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC0534AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:05:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:05:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f33so669622fkf.14 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.182.3 with SMTP id j3mr647340mup.113.1228608355963; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:05:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:05:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:05:55 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493B0C8F.3090909@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <493B0C8F.3090909@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: acbf4d4015b12cdd Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 01:06:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b136c258142046811720 Dr Flash wrote: > I enjoyed that one and learned a bit that surprised me... Thank You! One confusion point: You say "The OM-3Ti, not having the ability to > actually override your choice in shutter speeds, will allow you to set > the shutter-speed to any speed--including ones which exceed flash sync. > I personally make use of this ability by dragging the shutter to > maintain a proper ambient exposure or for special effect." > > I interpreted "exceed flash sync" as shutter speeds *faster* than 1/60. > But the next sentence made it clear the you really meant *slower* than > 1/60. It might be better worded as "... including ones with are slower > than flash sync." > Hmm. I'll have to think how to rewrite that for clarity. What I meant to say is that the OM-3Ti will allow you to royally screw up and get partially-exposed flash pictures. However, it will also allow you to show your own brilliance by giving you the option of shooting with much slower shutter speeds for special effects. The multi-spot metering of both the OM-3 and OM-4 series cameras is so unique and powerful, yet it takes seemingly diverse sources of comparative tools to recognize how it can be used to milk that power. For example, in my case, it was through the adjustment of the "Levels Dialog Box" in an image editor that I realized what it was that I was looking at. This was about the time I also read Ansel Adams' "The Negative" which delved into the Zone System. A short time later I bought the RH Designs ZoneMaster II darkroom exposure meter which functions nearly identically to the described exposure metering method in the OM-3Ti review. In fact, the design of the ZoneMaster II was specifically inspired by the OM-4Ti. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 01:20:30 2008 Received: (qmail 18545 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 00:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 00:20:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9935D1C40F41 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D911440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7FC19FCBC for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:20:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3031919FCB7 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:20:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:20:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KBH0085WCXUV4C0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:20:18 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-8-64.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.8.64]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:18:36 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:20:18 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlgRAH+lOkkYighA/2dsb2JhbACBZ4gYwkgHgn4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,726,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="382819717" References: Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 01:20:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b16ce150142070262475 But Ken, the 35-80 is way too big and heavy to be an easy to use, unobtrusive, walk around the house sort of lens ready to shoot at a moment's notice. Perhaps your 35-80 is different from mine but that is the way I feel ! My impression of your attachment to your OM3T / 35-80 combo is what I sensed close on 10 years ago when out shooting flowers one spring in Queen Elizabeth Park in Vancouver, BC. A very elderly Japanese gentleman, a tourist for sure, came up and literally kissed my camera combo. To him an old M3 and a 90 / 2.8 Elmarit combo must have been next camera heaven for him or so one of his party told me! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 > > >> I would like to own a 35-80 lens though, given its reputation. I was >> kinda >> disappointed that the review didn't really say much about it. >> >> > > Well, don't fret about that omission. There will be an in-depth review of > that lens once I've had a chance to do more than just fondle it. > Honestly, > all I've done is clean the glass, put it on the OM-3Ti and "shadow shoot" > with it around the house. But from my early observations, this will be an > excellent "event photography" lens which will probably set up > near-permanent > shop on the OM-3Ti. > > In a way, I was hoping that it would "replace" a lens or two in the > collection. The only one that even comes close to being threatened, > however, > is the 35 F2.8. The 50 Macro is safe as is the 100mm. As well-corrected > as > the 35-80 is, I do note some distortion which may preclude me from doing > away with my primes for exacting work, such as photographing buildings and > interiors. > > The 35-80 does handle and feel very much like the 14-54. Unfortunately, I > just can't seem to locate that Aperture ring on the 14-54. But my point > is, > that I have the impression I can shoot the E-1 with 14-54 and an OM with > 35-80 side by side without needing retraining between shots. (according to > the bottle, my hair-color is blond) > > As crazy as it sounds at first, I'd actually consider backpacking with > just > the OM-3Ti and 35-80 zoom. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 01:31:36 2008 Received: (qmail 20915 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 00:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 00:31:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741C71C40F38 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:31:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F8B440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BAB19FCE0 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:31:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB56E19FCDD for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:31:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31862 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2008 00:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.200.224) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 00:31:21 -0000 Message-ID: <493B1954.4020509@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:31:16 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <919061.95926.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <919061.95926.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OM to Canon adapter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 01:31:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b1968234417350615338 JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > Hi all, > Slightly different take on adapters...STILL with Olympus content. > I have evolved into a 2 system setup. I use an Olympus E1, and E510 with an assortment of Zuiko lenses. > I would like to try macro with my Canon 40D using my Zuiko 80mm and 135mm macro heads, as well as trying my 100mm f2.8.....24mm f2.8...35mm shift lens etc. > Can anyone recommend a good Canon to Olympus adapter, or are they all similar/ Any ones to avoid? Any comments / experiences would be helpful. > I have one from 'Bay seller jinfinance that has worked well for me. I think it's the same one Chuck mentions, but I haven't run into any lenses it doesn't fit as yet. It looks like the same item as the AF confirm one Johnny mentioned, but without the chip. Available for $19, including shipping. item 110315320686. I've bought several items from this seller, with nary a problem, quick shipping and modest transit time. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 01:38:25 2008 Received: (qmail 2956 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 00:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 00:38:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7939C1C40F49 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA42440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:38:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B6719FCFB for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:38:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B39919FCF4 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:38:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl35.gs02.gridserver.com (cl35.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.44]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:38:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50662 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl35.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L97f7-00044U-H8 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:38:17 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:38:13 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 Thread-Index: AclYBBYPVLKXUMP3Ed2G1QAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 01:38:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b1b0153578512572685 On 12/6/08 7:20 PM, "John Hudson" wrote: > But Ken, the 35-80 is way too big and heavy to be an easy to use, > unobtrusive, walk around the house sort of lens ready to shoot at a moment's > notice. Perhaps your 35-80 is different from mine but that is the way I feel > ! > I think it would be a good backpacking lens though, even though it is large. Still less hassle than carrying a 35mm, 50mm, and 85mm lens and changing them when needed. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 01:40:03 2008 Received: (qmail 11058 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 00:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 00:40:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4EC1C40F58 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26A0440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3AE419FD07 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:39:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7E319FCFC for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:39:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24536 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2008 00:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 00:39:56 -0000 Message-ID: <493B1B5C.1040604@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:39:56 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <919061.95926.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <20081206233148.ZZMG7110.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <20081206233148.ZZMG7110.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@XPS400.alltel.net> Subject: Re: [OM] OM to Canon adapter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 01:40:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b1b6378402336821329 Thanks. I think you've mentioned him before but this time I've filed it away for future reference. Chuck Norcutt Johnny Johnson wrote: > At 12:36 PM 12/6/2008, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: >> Hi all, >> Slightly different take on adapters...STILL with Olympus content. >> I have evolved into a 2 system setup. I use an Olympus E1, and E510 >> with an assortment of Zuiko lenses. >> I would like to try macro with my Canon 40D using my Zuiko 80mm and >> 135mm macro heads, as well as trying my 100mm f2.8.....24mm >> f2.8...35mm shift lens etc. >> Can anyone recommend a good Canon to Olympus adapter, or are they >> all similar/ Any ones to avoid? Any comments / experiences would be helpful. > > Hi John, > > I'd highly recommend the adapters sold by eBay seller > happypagehk. Most of his are adapters are chipped and, if you're > willing to purchase one for each lens, can be programmed with the > focal length and maximum aperture of the lens so that info shows up > in the EXIF data. Some people also feel that having the lens info in > the chip minimizes some of the erratic metering that can result from > using adapted lenses on Canon bodies. > > Here's the item number for one of his auction listings: 270311805725 > > Later, > Johnny > > __________________________ > Johnny Johnson > Cleveland, GA > mailto:jjohnso4@alltel.net -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 01:49:36 2008 Received: (qmail 3831 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 00:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 00:49:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB011C40F02 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:49:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C50440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DEF19FD37 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:49:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DC219FD33 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:49:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.189]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so739426mue.0 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:49:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.102.234.20 with SMTP id g20mr655728muh.116.1228610969632; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:49:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:49:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:49:29 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4f5be1309f6ec2f7 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 01:49:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b1da084021470116606 > > I think it would be a good backpacking lens though, even though it is > large. > Still less hassle than carrying a 35mm, 50mm, and 85mm lens and changing > them when needed. > Chris' viewpoint is exactly what I'm thinking here. Honestly, I do appreciate zoom lenses the older I get. Fifteen years ago I'd carry two or three cameras with different lenses on each, but the same film loaded in all of them. Nowadays, I shoot enough people and event photography that having a capable zoom lens is a Godsend. It is true that the weight and balance of the 35-80 isn't "ideal" on an OM body. But by the time you add winder or motor-drive and flash gear, you're over the top anyway. I did experiment last night with the OM-3Ti, Winder-1, 35-80 zoom and the T45 flash. Yowza--they were in the same neighborhood as my E-1 rig on the Stroboframe. If I want "low impact", I'll stick with the 24/2.8 on an OM body loaded with Ilford Delta 400. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 01:55:02 2008 Received: (qmail 2016 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 00:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 00:55:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438641C40F53 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:55:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D670440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5606434AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:54:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537DF34AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:54:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:54:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29222 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2008 00:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 00:54:55 -0000 Message-ID: <493B1EDF.6080404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:54:55 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <919061.95926.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <493B1954.4020509@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493B1954.4020509@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OM to Canon adapter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 01:55:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b1ee63422046811720 Yes, I had forgotten that the two adapters that have fit problems with a few non-OEM lenses came from jinfinance. But I bought the second one from him knowing that the first one had the problem because, despite the fit problem on a couple of lenses, the adapter seemed well made. He said he would discuss the tolerance problem with his supplier but I don't know whether follow-on buyers might have benefited from that or not as I haven't bought another adapter in quite some time. I also agree with Moose's assessment that the AF confirm adapter that Johnny mentioned looks exactly like the adapters provided by jinfinance but with AF confirm chip added. But I just checked his listings and see that all of his adapters are now AF confirmation but there is no Olympus OM to EOS adapter although there is OM to 4/3. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > JOHN DUGGAN wrote: >> Hi all, >> Slightly different take on adapters...STILL with Olympus content. >> I have evolved into a 2 system setup. I use an Olympus E1, and E510 with an assortment of Zuiko lenses. >> I would like to try macro with my Canon 40D using my Zuiko 80mm and 135mm macro heads, as well as trying my 100mm f2.8.....24mm f2.8...35mm shift lens etc. >> Can anyone recommend a good Canon to Olympus adapter, or are they all similar/ Any ones to avoid? Any comments / experiences would be helpful. >> > I have one from 'Bay seller jinfinance that has worked well for me. I > think it's the same one Chuck mentions, but I haven't run into any > lenses it doesn't fit as yet. > > It looks like the same item as the AF confirm one Johnny mentioned, but > without the chip. Available for $19, including shipping. item 110315320686. > > I've bought several items from this seller, with nary a problem, quick > shipping and modest transit time. > > Moose > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 01:59:35 2008 Received: (qmail 2084 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 00:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 00:59:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84201C40F42 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3DA440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937FB34AC043 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:59:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB2B34AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:59:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10568 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2008 00:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.200.224) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 00:59:29 -0000 Message-ID: <493B1FEF.9080501@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:59:27 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200812061002.mB6A2fsi047050@mail.imagecraft.com> <3FB1ED18ADFF42C9B368981848470E83@Jeff410> In-Reply-To: <3FB1ED18ADFF42C9B368981848470E83@Jeff410> Subject: Re: [OM] OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 01:59:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b1ff7275191234514069 Jeff Keller wrote: > The generic ... Hi Jeff! Not interested in the subject, but I'm glad to see you posting again. I hope it is because life has eased up on you at least somewhat. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 02:12:27 2008 Received: (qmail 12266 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 01:12:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 01:12:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162F61C40F73 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF01440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:12:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7788B34AC048 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:12:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8E034AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:12:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.harbornet.com (smtp.harbornet.com [199.2.132.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:12:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([216.174.237.242]) by smtp.harbornet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id mB71slUm019536 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:54:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493B22F6.1080503@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:12:22 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4934B594.2080805@spokeandsprocket.com> In-Reply-To: <4934B594.2080805@spokeandsprocket.com> Subject: Re: [OM] FS 49mm filters X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 02:12:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b22fb305511946193717 Now that I am no longer shooting with the OM system, I have a bunch of used filters for sale. all of these are 49mm, all are in excellent or better shape. No nicks, scratches, dents, ect! All are slim filters unless otherwise noted. Olympus slim circular polarizer. $30.00 Olympus L39 UV $10.00 Olympus 1A Skylight $10.00 Heliopan KR 1.5 skylight $15.00 Heliopan KR 3 (81c) warming $15.00 Heliopan Green (for B&W) $15.00 Heliopan Yellow (for B&W) $15.00 Minolta #2 Close up lens (not thin AT ALL!) $25.00 (Multi element close up lens, this is the best close up add on I found for the OM lenses.) Tiffen BLK diffusion FX-3 (not thin) $10.00 Tiffen FL-D for fluorescent light) (not thin) $10.00 Prices do not include shipping. I have sold a number of items on the list over the years, and also sell on eBay as spokeandsprocket if you want to check my feedback. I accept PayPal, Credit Cards, or check/MO from list members. Everything is offered with full return privilege. You don't like it, send it back and I will refund your money. Jim Couch -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 02:25:35 2008 Received: (qmail 10102 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 01:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 01:25:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1E81C40F3B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:25:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57526440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:25:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B93934AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:25:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CA234AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:25:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.harbornet.com (smtp.harbornet.com [199.2.132.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([216.174.237.242]) by smtp.harbornet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id mB7281Um019689 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:08:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493B2610.5000605@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:25:36 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4934B594.2080805@spokeandsprocket.com> In-Reply-To: <4934B594.2080805@spokeandsprocket.com> Subject: [OM] FS more OM bits & peices X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 02:25:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b260f235791073733319 More bits & pieces from the closet: Eyecup-1 In good shape, but gain, not perfect. No cracks a couple of small chips inside but very minor, rubber in good shape. $5.00 Eyecup 2 In good shape, but gain, not perfect. No cracks or chips, rubber in good shape. $10.00 ea (I have 2 of these) OM Body cap Not perfect but in good shape. $5.00 (I have 2 of these) Olympus OM lens pouch 200N (soft leatherette case) in very good shape. $10.00 Olympus OM lens pouch 150N (soft leatherette case) in very good shape. $10.00 ea (I have 3 of these) Prices do not include shipping. I have sold a number of items on the list over the years, and also sell on eBay as spokeandsprocket if you want to check my feedback. I accept PayPal, Credit Cards, or check/MO from list members. Everything is offered with full return privilege. You don't like it, send it back and I will refund your money. Jim Couch -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 02:26:19 2008 Received: (qmail 23868 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 01:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 01:26:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23BD1C40F56 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF67440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC2E19FDB3 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:26:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C767A19FDB1 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:26:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.harbornet.com (smtp.harbornet.com [199.2.132.49]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:26:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([216.174.237.242]) by smtp.harbornet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id mB728iUm019696 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:08:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493B263B.1010505@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:26:19 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4934B58D.4020900@spokeandsprocket.com> In-Reply-To: <4934B58D.4020900@spokeandsprocket.com> Subject: Re: [OM] FS: Orginal XA camera W/A11 flash & hard case - price drop to $50.00 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 02:26:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b263a228951257536491 Jim Couch at home wrote: > XA with A11 flash and hard case. Not real pretty cosmetically (but not > real ugly either), but works great. Great pocket/climbing/hiking camera. > $75.00 - now $50.00 > > Prices do not include shipping. > > I have sold a number of items on the list over the years, and also sell > on eBay as spokeandsprocket if you want to check my feedback. I accept > PayPal, Credit Cards, or check/MO from list members. Everything is > offered with full return privilege. You don't like it, send it back and > I will refund your money. > > > Jim Couch > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 02:29:20 2008 Received: (qmail 17202 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 01:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 01:29:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45141C40F4B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:29:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DD3440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:29:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7366F34AC040 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:29:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AED034AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:29:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.harbornet.com (smtp.harbornet.com [199.2.132.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:29:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([216.174.237.242]) by smtp.harbornet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id mB72BjUm019721 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:11:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493B26F0.2040402@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:29:20 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4934B581.5000806@spokeandsprocket.com> In-Reply-To: <4934B581.5000806@spokeandsprocket.com> Subject: Re: [OM] FS: OM-1 with Morgan Sparks black lizard skin cover and silvernose 50 1.8 lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 02:29:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b26f0186831073733319 Still available, still $100.00 - but I will throw in a few more goodies: An Olympus metal lens hood, and an Olympus eyecup-1 > Due to lack of use I am finally letting og of the last of my Olympus > gear. I have some bits and pieces that will go up in another post. In > this post I am offering my Silver OM-1MD. > > Body is in excellent shape with only a few very minor marks. There are a > couple of very small dings in the pentaprism, a few scuffs and a small > ding on the base plate, and a bit of 'polish' by the strap lugs. The > hinge has some paint missing, but the black paint on the rest of the > body is in very good shape, including the back! Body features beautiful > Morgan Sparks lizard skin replacement leather. This is a very nice > looking camera! > > Body has had a battery upgrade and CLA by John Hermanson of Camtech a > couple of years ago so everything is in great shape and works well.. > Focusing screen is a split image/matte (1-3) with custom crop lines for > 8x10 framing. > > Lens is a classic silver nose 50 1.8. Glass is scratch free and clear, > but with some dust in the lens. Aperture is snappy and works well. > > Also included is a full set of caps, front lens cap, rear lens cap, and > body cap. No hot shoe included. > > I am selling the camera and lens for $100.00 plus shipping, which is > just a bit less than the CLA cost. You can get a reliable OM body > without the hassle of sending it out for CLA > > I have sold a number of items on the list over the years, and also sell > on eBay as spokeandsprocket if you want to check my feedback. I accept > PayuPal, Credit Cards, or check/MO from list members. Everything is > offered with full return privilege. You don't like it, send it back and > I will refund your money. > > > Jim Couch > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 02:31:37 2008 Received: (qmail 25476 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 01:31:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 01:31:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962E41C40F6C for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69B1440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9464719FDBD for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:31:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E22C19FDC4 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:31:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.174]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so606305wfd.26 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.231.7 with SMTP id d7mr768850wfh.16.1228613491046; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.188.20 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:31:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:31:31 +0800 From: "Sandy Harris" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493B1EDF.6080404@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <919061.95926.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <493B1954.4020509@gmail.com> <493B1EDF.6080404@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OM to Canon adapter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 02:31:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b2779269741234514069 On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I also agree with Moose's assessment that the AF confirm adapter that > Johnny mentioned looks exactly like the adapters provided by jinfinance > but with AF confirm chip added. But I just checked his listings and see > that all of his adapters are now AF confirmation but there is no Olympus > OM to EOS adapter although there is OM to 4/3. OM to EOS here: http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/adapters.htm I have not bought from them, no experience to report. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 02:37:27 2008 Received: (qmail 23017 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 01:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 01:37:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B441C40F51 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:37:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6468440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:37:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D50419FDDC for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:37:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919F319FDD2 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:37:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21241 invoked by uid 503); 7 Dec 2008 01:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jeff410) (om-list@71.202.108.126) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 01:37:18 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <200812061002.mB6A2fsi047050@mail.imagecraft.com><3FB1ED18ADFF42C9B368981848470E83@Jeff410> <493B1FEF.9080501@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:37:26 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclYBxEAXLmwTmIRTC+srEkPY45nfAAAUExw In-Reply-To: <493B1FEF.9080501@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: [OM] Sort of back - was RE: OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 02:37:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b28d764841585427447 Thanks Moose, twice I've gone quickly through several thousand deep back messages. I tuned back in just in time to see the list was moving. The last 12 months have been crazy. After my mother recovered from her broken pelvis she has been able to take care of my father ... she is tough! Son got married. Daughter started college. Building a new house. Retired from engineering. Perhaps 10 years worth of savings disappearing with our country's financial thrills. Even mundane things like parking my car, coming back to find it was towed to the other side of the street so that a natural gas pipe leak in the road could be repaired. Seems like the "excitement" I gladly missed during the previous 40 years of a mostly mundane adult life have all piled up in 12 months. I doubt sanity will return in less than another 12 months though. I've got a momentary pause which I'm using to try to solve some real estate business problems. I needed a diversion after spending 3 days trying to awaken too many sleeping neurons. Thanks again and best wishes, -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Moose [mailto:olymoose@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:59 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... Jeff Keller wrote: > The generic ... Hi Jeff! Not interested in the subject, but I'm glad to see you posting again. I hope it is because life has eased up on you at least somewhat. Moose -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 02:41:37 2008 Received: (qmail 28867 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 01:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 01:41:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB291C40F54 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7314440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:41:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60F419FDE8 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:41:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B90219FDD2 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:41:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 07 Dec 2008 12:41:11 +1100 Message-ID: <100-33293b49-25902.002@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:38:59 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 02:41:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b29d1248591073733319 Hi John, > But Ken, the 35-80 is way too big and heavy to be an easy to use, > unobtrusive, walk around the house sort of lens ready to shoot at a moment's > notice. Perhaps your 35-80 is different from mine but that is the way I feel ok, to big and heavy for you, I need a replacement, how much :-) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ My best view from a Window was through OS/2. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 02:45:31 2008 Received: (qmail 25926 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 01:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 01:45:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833071C40F49 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:45:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECAA440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:45:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F9919FDF2 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:45:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D575919FDD2 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:45:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KBH0082QGVNV3F0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:45:23 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-8-64.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.8.64]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:42:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:45:22 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlgRAC+5OkkYighA/2dsb2JhbACBZ4gYwlAHgn4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,726,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="370828738" References: <100-33293b49-25902.002@comkal.net> Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 02:45:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b2abb10281591313764 Not for sale at any price ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 > Hi John, > >> But Ken, the 35-80 is way too big and heavy to be an easy to use, >> unobtrusive, walk around the house sort of lens ready to shoot at a >> moment's >> notice. Perhaps your 35-80 is different from mine but that is the way I >> feel > > ok, to big and heavy for you, I need a replacement, how much :-) > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.comkal.net/ > > My best view from a Window was through OS/2. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 03:05:39 2008 Received: (qmail 2998 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 02:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 02:05:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E170B1C40F37 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92E8440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1C234AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:05:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A43E34AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:05:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:05:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21138 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2008 02:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 02:05:30 -0000 Message-ID: <493B2F6A.5000605@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:05:30 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200812061002.mB6A2fsi047050@mail.imagecraft.com><3FB1ED18ADFF42C9B368981848470E83@Jeff410> <493B1FEF.9080501@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Sort of back - was RE: OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 03:05:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b2f7343481234514069 Wow! Holy cow! Moose woke me up to the fact that you haven't posted in a long time. I'd forgotten. Stress city! Hang in there. Welcome back. Chuck Norcutt Jeff Keller wrote: > Thanks Moose, twice I've gone quickly through several thousand deep back > messages. I tuned back in just in time to see the list was moving. > > The last 12 months have been crazy. After my mother recovered from her > broken pelvis she has been able to take care of my father ... she is tough! > Son got married. Daughter started college. Building a new house. Retired > from engineering. Perhaps 10 years worth of savings disappearing with our > country's financial thrills. Even mundane things like parking my car, coming > back to find it was towed to the other side of the street so that a natural > gas pipe leak in the road could be repaired. Seems like the "excitement" I > gladly missed during the previous 40 years of a mostly mundane adult life > have all piled up in 12 months. I doubt sanity will return in less than > another 12 months though. > > I've got a momentary pause which I'm using to try to solve some real estate > business problems. I needed a diversion after spending 3 days trying to > awaken too many sleeping neurons. > > Thanks again and best wishes, -jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Moose [mailto:olymoose@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:59 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... > > Jeff Keller wrote: >> The generic ... > > Hi Jeff! Not interested in the subject, but I'm glad to see you posting > again. I hope it is because life has eased up on you at least somewhat. > > Moose > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 04:33:55 2008 Received: (qmail 30767 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 03:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 03:33:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C811C40F73 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9B8440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA1634AC046 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:33:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A12634AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:33:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12166 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2008 03:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.165.218) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 03:33:44 -0000 Message-ID: <493B4411.90502@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:33:37 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <919061.95926.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <493B1954.4020509@gmail.com> <493B1EDF.6080404@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <493B1EDF.6080404@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OM to Canon adapter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 04:33:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b4423121157927319144 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > ... > I also agree with Moose's assessment that the AF confirm adapter that Johnny mentioned looks exactly like the adapters provided by jinfinance but with AF confirm chip added. But I just checked his listings and see that all of his adapters are now AF confirmation but there is no Olympus OM to EOS adapter I guess you didn't try the ebay number I posted? Still there @ item 110315320686 Also, I think all these guys buy from the same wholesalers. I at least once asked jinfinance for something he didn't have listed at the moment, and he was happy to add it to my order. Moose > > Moose wrote: > >> ... >> It looks like the same item as the AF confirm one Johnny mentioned, but without the chip. Available for $19, including shipping. item 110315320686. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 04:55:44 2008 Received: (qmail 18028 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 03:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 03:55:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9891C40F73 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933A9440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:55:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8337F19FF89 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:55:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBED219FF63 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:55:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:55:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20278 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2008 03:55:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.167.98) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 03:55:36 -0000 Message-ID: <493B4935.9030207@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:55:33 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0812060912v2eed8c8flec152b96cd706665@mail.gmail.com> <493AC1A7.1030107@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0812061306g2fc044c5vf9b9d265038009de@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0812061306g2fc044c5vf9b9d265038009de@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Back from Digest-Lalala-land X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 04:55:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b4940246402336821329 Joel Wilcox wrote: > On 12/6/08, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Hey, good to hear from you. Wow! Two old timers returning from the lands of way too much trouble goin' on. Nice to hear from you. >> We had a good time with you and AG but that was a pretty soggy night! Apparently you were not drowned on the way home. >> > > Hi Chuck, > It was nip and tuck on the drowning part. A bit of a white-knuckle drive home. But worth it for the fellowship. :) > >> Moose and I and our special others met in Berzerkely at Moose's place. Moose and I together constituted a substantial mass together but apparently just below the critical level. We and Berzerkely are still here. We were careful to only inspect OMs while together in his house And Chuck was a real gentleman, returning the 18/3.5 with hardly a whimper. :-) >> lest adding the two 5Ds to the mix push us over the edge of criticality. >> We enjoyed a good dinner at a local Thai place and an equally good breakfast at a place serving much more Americana fare. Do not drive with the Moose in his car in the hills around his house unless you like >> roller coaster rides. Exciting. My bride's teeth are still clenched from the combination of that ride You'd never guess from his posts what a wimp Chuck is about driving on the narrow, winding streets where I live. ;-) I did show him the wide, straight way out of town. :-) >> following only a little behind similar hair raising mountain driving maneuvers on US 199 approaching the >> coastal redwoods from Oregon. On that stretch of road if the curve warning sign says 10 or 15 mph... it means it. I guess I haven't been up there since I sold the 911. Those roads were sorta fun that way. >> Around Moose's place there are no curve warning signs and no guard rails. :-) >> Sure there are guard rails where there are precipices, but seldom anything to keep you from vehicular trespassing in peoples' yards. Since I knew you folks wer a bit edgy already, I didn't point out the place where one of my brothers rolled a VW beetle into someone's living room oh so many years ago. It's at the bottom of a long, steep stretch we went down on the way to the Thai place. I guess others must have done something similar. Largely hidden in landscaping are a series of 10-12" heavy gauge steel pipes filled with concrete now protecting that house. Regular guardrails have give built in. You really don't want to hit those private protections! Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 04:59:31 2008 Received: (qmail 23119 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 03:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 03:59:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5552D1C40F35 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F47440059 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE3834AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:59:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A905F34AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:59:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:59:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25970 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2008 03:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 03:59:20 -0000 Message-ID: <493B4A18.9020005@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:59:20 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <919061.95926.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <493B1954.4020509@gmail.com> <493B1EDF.6080404@chucknorcutt.com> <493B4411.90502@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493B4411.90502@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OM to Canon adapter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 04:59:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b4a23113738512572685 I don't know what happened. I thought I did an "OM adapter" search on his store listings and nothing came up but 4/3 mount. I must have mistyped something because I now see both types for OM EOS. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> ... >> I also agree with Moose's assessment that the AF confirm adapter that Johnny mentioned looks exactly like the adapters provided by jinfinance but with AF confirm chip added. But I just checked his listings and see that all of his adapters are now AF confirmation but there is no Olympus OM to EOS adapter > I guess you didn't try the ebay number I posted? Still there @ item > 110315320686 > > Also, I think all these guys buy from the same wholesalers. I at least > once asked jinfinance for something he didn't have listed at the moment, > and he was happy to add it to my order. > > Moose >> >> Moose wrote: >> >>> ... >>> It looks like the same item as the AF confirm one Johnny mentioned, but without the chip. Available for $19, including shipping. item 110315320686. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 05:01:58 2008 Received: (qmail 2576 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 04:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 04:01:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331931C40F58 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337EF440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:01:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242B234AC046 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:01:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B3F34AC040 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:01:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:01:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22828 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2008 04:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.167.98) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 04:01:52 -0000 Message-ID: <493B4AAC.5050506@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:01:48 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB22EC19296F2F-16F8-1741@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F8A56EDD4C-AC8-C9E@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <4935E36D.2070303@chucknorcutt.com> <4935FB83.9060102@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Any Moose sightings? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 05:01:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b4ab614541702588592 Ken Norton wrote: > Maybe I need to write something to irk him? > You already did. :-) Just not enough to break through at the time. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 05:09:55 2008 Received: (qmail 16938 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 04:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 04:09:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D141C40F51 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:09:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9958B440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862BA19FFAC for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:09:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B02F19FFA3 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:09:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:09:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so331004nfc.20 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:09:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.52.7 with SMTP id e7mr713488muk.52.1228622985712; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:09:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:09:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:09:45 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493B4AAC.5050506@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CB22EC19296F2F-16F8-1741@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <8CB22F8A56EDD4C-AC8-C9E@WEBMAIL-DY19.sysops.aol.com> <4935E36D.2070303@chucknorcutt.com> <4935FB83.9060102@adinet.com.uy> <493B4AAC.5050506@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bd70304b962865e2 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Any Moose sightings? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 05:09:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b4c93299131342116753 > > You already did. :-) Just not enough to break through at the time. > Note to self - Get bigger worms. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 05:18:47 2008 Received: (qmail 14917 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 04:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 04:18:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098351C40F56 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A25440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:18:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6505B19FFBE for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:18:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0BF19FFB9 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:18:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28849 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2008 04:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.167.98) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 04:18:40 -0000 Message-ID: <493B4E9D.7010404@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:18:37 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20081205112931.qxmvbdmr4ssskcs4@horde.webofnilsson.com> <49391E2F.6000402@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205134407.evv6lpbm0co488kk@horde.webofnilsson.com> <493935E5.3090201@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205153445.xtvkpyhq0w84g0gs@horde.webofnilsson.com> In-Reply-To: <20081205153445.xtvkpyhq0w84g0gs@horde.webofnilsson.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Radio receivers compatible with FL-36R/FL-50R? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 05:18:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b4ea7205151869477228 Quoting Chuck Norcutt : >> If you're going to go with manual controls then you can use very cheap, used flash heads. Film based TTL flash units like the T-32 go very cheaply because they don't work on digital. But the T-32 isn't a particularly good choice for manual control since it only offers two power levels. The Canon 540EZ which has 8 levels can be had for as low as $60 from KEH (BGN if they have one). I bought a KEH bargain one on Chuck's recommendation and was very pleased. I seldom use flash, but when I needed it for an event in a dimly lit building, it really delivered the goods. I think he is right about going manual for flash where the light isn't changing and distance is fairly steady, too. Test to get the histogram right, then just fire away. >> They tend to sell for a lot more than that on ebay. I think they're being sold to Canon DSLR newbies who don't know the flash won't work in TTL mode. :-) Still nice on an EOS camera, as it does communicate and provide extra info on the LCD. The zoom head is useful too. The IR focus assist feature is amazing. >> Other good choices are the Sunpak 422/433/444 or 383 (5 power levels). The 400 series are discontinued film TTL models, the 383 was (until recently) a current production manual flash. All are basically the >> same flash unit with the same power. I've also got a Sunpak Auto26SR, GN 86 @ 35mm up to 120 @ 135mm with the manual zoom head. Five power levels and twist and tilt head. It was cheap on the 'Bay. Unlikely to see use with the 540EZ around now, unless I ever want a two flash manual setup. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 05:19:58 2008 Received: (qmail 7446 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 04:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 04:19:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B351C40F52 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE371440056 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE9B19FFBF for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:19:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A613519FFB9 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:19:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:19:52 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB74Jm0S030593 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 04:19:50 GMT Message-ID: <4A7A681B792B488CA1FE80978ED6B1C5@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <005A80F5F8DE4445BC7A933A605CDDCA@hudson><493AF397.10905@chucknorcutt.com><5CE98CCCFF4C459DA144504D33CA4FDF@Jeff410> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:19:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] For sale - 4" x 5" film holders X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 05:19:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b4eee323731023412894 John, My experience with 4x5 cameras is rather limited, though I have an old Pre-Anniversary Speed Graphic in the closet, along with a few holders. The ground glass is in the camera back, and its focusing surface must fall in the same plane as the emulsion surface of the film when the film holder is inserted. If the glass is reversed, or the holders are out of normal spec, any subject focused on the ground glass will not necessarily be in focus on the film. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [OM] For sale - 4" x 5" film holders > Just to correct or eliminate any confusion; there are no ground glass > plates > in these two 4" x 5" film holders of mine. > > I should add that both holders do look to be of solid construction and > accurate tolerances. They have both held "out of the box" film without any > evidence of being squished into place or slopping about in an oversized > space. > > jh > > > > > jh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Keller" > To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:32 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] For sale - 4" x 5" film holders > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ken Norton [mailto:ken@zone-10.com] >> >> Subject: Re: [OM] For sale - 4" x 5" film holders >> >>> >>> I've only ever even touched a few 4x5s and never actually shot with one. >>> I'll take this opportunity to ask how standard are 4x5 film holders? >>> Do they all meet the same specification for outside dimensions and >>> distance to film from front and back edges such that film plane distance >>> is the same as the ground glass? Sorry, I'm almost clueless in this >>> area. >>> >> >> >> As far as I know all 4x5 film holders meet the same standardized size and >> shape to conform with the Graphlex back. >> >> AG >> >> ----------- >> >> I've heard of roll film holders which have slightly different dimensions >> for >> the width of some of the raised bars which lock the position of the >> holder. >> If I remember correctly the Sinar was the odd one. I vaguely remember >> hearing that a very early Graphic (prior to the Crown Graphic?) had an >> issue >> with cut film holders. >> >> Toyo holders have a good reputation. >> >> I have heard of people having problems with the ground glass not being >> mounted correctly and I believe a few people have found defective film >> holders. Unless the camera maker wants to make and sell film holders, he >> has >> to make sure his camera works with what is available. >> >> I've heard that above 8x10 there isn't much standardization. >> >> -jeff >> (using quickload 4x5 on a 5x7 & wanting to eventually shoot some 5x7 cut >> film) >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 05:28:57 2008 Received: (qmail 10829 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 04:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 04:28:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383951C40F44 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:28:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB686D04067 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:28:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3D834AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:28:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DAEA34AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:28:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20679 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 04:28:50 -0000 Received: from dsl081-113-027.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) (stevegoss@[64.81.113.27]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Dec 2008 04:28:50 -0000 Message-ID: <493B50FB.8030608@speakeasy.net> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:28:43 -0600 From: Steve & Alicia Goss User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 05:28:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b510912451234514069 Hi, Y'all- What is it with vertical shots on the E-510? On my previous digicam a vertical shot was saved as a vertical shot. (portrait as opposed to landscape) When it was viewed in a directory listing or in an editor it would be vertical. With the E-510, the shots are vertical in photo editing software, but in directory listings or when uploaded to the web they are still horizontal. Is there a way to get a true vertical image from the E-510, or should I tell the E-510 not to bother and rotate them manually in the editor? Thanks, Steve Goss, Dallas, TX usa -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 05:47:10 2008 Received: (qmail 7002 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 04:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 04:47:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A8F1C40F66 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6F0D04067 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:47:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD26D34AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:47:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D8D34AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:47:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB74l27A006926 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:47:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id mB74kDWJ088161 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:46:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB75pFeI061130 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:51:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200812070551.mB75pFeI061130@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:48:05 -0800 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: Richard Man In-Reply-To: <200812061002.mB6A2fsi047050@mail.imagecraft.com> References: <200812061002.mB6A2fsi047050@mail.imagecraft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 2543826 - 1c91c9ab9d59 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Subject: Re: [OM] OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 05:47:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b554e54161838542571 OK< after more photos, the problem is... it wasn't focused probably before :-) the 50/2 OM is spectacular on the E-3, that's all I have to say. At 12:59 AM 12/6/2008, you wrote: >Wait a minute, if MF-1 and MA-1 differ in thickness, doesn't that >mean one of them is not optimal? I have a generic adapter, and it >looks to be slightly off (backfocus), could that be the reason? // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 05:58:42 2008 Received: (qmail 7614 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 04:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 04:58:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0560E1C40F51 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ABAD04067 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:58:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94FE34AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:58:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059EB34AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:58:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10850 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2008 04:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.194.155) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 04:58:34 -0000 Message-ID: <493B57F6.2@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:58:30 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] One Roll, One Lens, One Hour X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 05:58:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b5802139151073733319 Ken Norton wrote: > ... > > This photo project was to load one roll of Fuji Superia 100 color print film in the OM-3Tiwith a 50mm lens and restrict myself to one hour in downtown Grinnell, Iowa. The roll is being presented in its entirety, warts and all. No editing, cropping or parsing the outtakes. Images are presented in the order they were taken. > Nice idea for a project. Unless, of course, one looks at the results and says "Sheesh, this is crap! I've no photographic imagination anymore, if I ever had any. I'm packing it in." Those sort of thoughts occur to me on occasion when I see the results of an outing. :-) From the looks of the results, Grinnell was a tough challenge to set yourself. Given the lens chosen, I think I'd have made fewer "here's a shot down an empty street" shots and several close-up/macros. I can see where you might think that would be a cop out, though. Is there a reason most of the shots of people on the street have their backs to you? ;-) I guess the kid didn't get the memo? One thing puzzles me, though. C.H. put it very well. > ... All the scans are very high-keyed with blowout highlight details, a bit hard to view. This is the problem for one hour labs as their scans are optimised for their printing machine. > I can see clearly the rationale for all the other "warts and all" factors, but why put the images at the mercy of crappy scanning? I have no idea about your reason(s), but from out here, it's very off-putting. I really had to force myself to look more carefully at the subjects and compositions. Some are literally hard to look at, and invite being rapidly scanned past. Even the relatively mundane look better with some correction. And it's a lot easier to enjoy the wonderful aspects of a nice people snap if the background isn't screaming. Whatever editor you use, isn't it possible to batch process the whole lot of them to bring the tonality into some sort of order? I particularly liked "Self-portrait in the window of an antique store." It reminded me of when I had the same idea. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 06:01:38 2008 Received: (qmail 25052 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 05:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 05:01:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE0B1C40F5D for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:01:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA53D04067 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DFF1A001B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:01:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3C71A001A for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:01:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:01:28 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB751PKx006501 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 05:01:27 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <493B50FB.8030608@speakeasy.net> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:01:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 06:01:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b58b281801585427447 Steve, I use an E-510, and your question caught me by surprise. I just looked at some Thanksgiving photos of a family event and, sure enough, in the Windows XP files of the images from the camera, the original verticals are, as you point out, oriented horizontally. I had really paid no attention to this, because of my workflow with digital images. My practice is to open each new batch of images as jpegs in Elements 6.0, discard any obvious losers, and then open each of the better RAW files, make RAW adjustments, then open it in Elements 6.0 for final processing. At the end of processing, I save the image with a new filename. Hence, the images are saved as they are viewed in the editor, properly vertical. Since I never place an unedited image on the web, those I do upload are oriented correctly. Thanks for pointing this out, but, for me, it has never presented a problem. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve & Alicia Goss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:28 PM Subject: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals > Hi, Y'all- > What is it with vertical shots on the E-510? > On my previous digicam a vertical shot was saved as a vertical shot. > (portrait as opposed to landscape) When it was viewed in a directory > listing or in an editor it would be vertical. With the E-510, the shots > are vertical in photo editing software, but in directory listings or > when uploaded to the web they are still horizontal. Is there a way to > get a true vertical image from the E-510, or should I tell the E-510 not > to bother and rotate them manually in the editor? > > Thanks, Steve Goss, Dallas, TX usa > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 06:28:16 2008 Received: (qmail 5983 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 05:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 05:28:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79611C40F02 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:28:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DF1D04067 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:28:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CCB34AC040 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:28:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D3534AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:28:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:28:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22859 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2008 05:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.160.55) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 05:28:09 -0000 Message-ID: <493B5EE5.2070902@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:28:05 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493B50FB.8030608@speakeasy.net> In-Reply-To: <493B50FB.8030608@speakeasy.net> Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 06:28:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b5ef062601585427447 Steve & Alicia Goss wrote: > Hi, Y'all- > What is it with vertical shots on the E-510? > On my previous digicam a vertical shot was saved as a vertical shot. (portrait as opposed to landscape) When it was viewed in a directory listing or in an editor it would be vertical. With the E-510, the shots are vertical in photo editing software, but in directory listings or when uploaded to the web they are still horizontal. Is there a way to get a true vertical image from the E-510, or should I tell the E-510 not to bother and rotate them manually in the editor? > There is no such thing as a 'true' vertical shot from most digicams. However, many of them do set a field in the EXIF header indicating how they are to be displayed. Most image browsers, RAW converters and editors will then open/display them with correct orientation. Web browsers, however, apparently don't pay attention. When I open a file in PS, it is displayed in the correct orientation and when I save the altered copy, it is then saved correctly, too. So my downsized images for the web are correct without any thought on my part. Is there a menu setting in the 510 about orientation sensor/EXIF? The Fuji F10 and F30 don't have internal orientation sensors, so don't know at what angle they are being shot. Also, cameras are sometimes fooled when shooting straight up or down. In FastStone, IrfanView and, I assume, other image browsers, there is a lossless rotate function for JPEGs. When I load a batch of images from the Fujis into the computer, I select all that need a right rotation and rotate them all at once, then do the ones that are the other way. Doesn't take long. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 07:20:53 2008 Received: (qmail 2711 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 06:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 06:20:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA721C40F71 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:20:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264B9D04067 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:20:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5B21A00E4 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:20:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C701A00D3 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:20:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.188]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:20:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f33so780934fkf.14 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.172.9 with SMTP id z9mr724476muo.109.1228630843388; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:20:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 00:20:43 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493B57F6.2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <493B57F6.2@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 24a596b79db15bd1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] One Roll, One Lens, One Hour X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 07:20:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b6b45254611023412894 Moose thus grunted:>Nice idea for a project. Unless, of course, one looks at the results and says "Sheesh, this is crap!... I'll refrain from being offended... ;) >Is there a reason most of the shots of people on the street have their backs to you? ;-) I guess the kid didn't get the memo? Those were my "cop out shots". Those were mid-project when I was feeling less than inspired. I did not want to do close-up stuff of inanimate objects as I can do those in my sleep. What challenge is there in that? > factors, but why put the images at the mercy of crappy scanning? > I have no idea about your reason(s), but from out here, it's very off-putting. I did just upload the images with adjusted gamma and tonal adjustment--still ugly, but better. Maybe the reasoning is to encourage the "digital rules, film drools" crowd to crow about their latest $3000 purchase by saying "see how ugly film is?" I suppose I could take the effort to scan these with my Nikon Coolscan V-ED, but maybe I need to just move on--after all, this project wasn't necessarily about the post-production, but the production. For that, it served its purpose. In fact, that was my reasoning for the Photo-CD in the first place. If they are really that off-putting, I'll just remove the article as anything further is probably just a waste of time. I know that a proper scan would make things much better, but to what end? I'll probably never touch these photos again. I just thought that maybe people could see past the scanning flaws and be inspired to do their own stretch project. Frankly, I could have done this particular stretch project without even loading film in the camera. > Even the relatively mundane look better with some correction... WHOA! I always wondered what an LSD trip was like. "My Eyes, My Eyes!" AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 07:29:08 2008 Received: (qmail 4814 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 06:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 06:29:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2774F1C40F57 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81010D04067 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:29:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E77B1A00FA for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:29:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB961A00E6 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:29:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B58AC96DD for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:48:21 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <2C334DAD-9784-4EB6-93A2-7AB04ACCFD6E@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:28:57 +0000 References: <2C334DAD-9784-4EB6-93A2-7AB04ACCFD6E@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 49: mountains and light X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 07:29:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b6d34150581470116606 Alternates 10 and 11 are lovely, Nathan. But I'm glad to see a = Nativity scene, ready for Christmas. Chris On 6 Dec 2008, at 10:18, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > This week was really quite slow, photographically speaking. When I > downloaded the CF card to the computer this morning, there were only > 70 pictures on the card, which had been in my camera since Sunday-- > that's only 2 rolls of film, considerably less than I normally shoot > during a week. But hopefully there is something here that will please > the audience. There is some glorious light, some mountains and a small > town. Sadly, no se=F1oritas this week. > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=3D170 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 07:30:14 2008 Received: (qmail 11514 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 06:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 06:30:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA3F1C40F3B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89838D04067 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE1834AC03E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:30:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077FE34AC03B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:30:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE27C96DD for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:49:31 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <20081206120748.BXC55840@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:30:07 +0000 References: <20081206120748.BXC55840@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Fortnight (was Mr. Fildes' Progress) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 07:30:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b6d76281251234514069 I don't know: I use it quite a bit, where appropriate. Chris On 6 Dec 2008, at 17:07, Lawrence Woods wrote: >> "Fortnight". Isn't that one of those weird, funny Brit >> words that we 'Murcans stopped using so we didn't sound >> so uppity? > > I think it fell out of use here because it was only found in Agatha > Christie novels, and nobody remembered the conversion tables. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 07:31:25 2008 Received: (qmail 19524 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 06:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 06:31:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2561C40F4B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE99D04067 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:31:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D60E1A0100 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:31:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5521A00FC for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:31:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598BAC96DD for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:50:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <35638B4C-53D0-4172-AED5-F9368D9BEB4E@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493B79EB.20575.33E0E2@bj.caverock.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:31:19 +0000 References: <493B79EB.20575.33E0E2@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress (OT) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 07:31:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b6dbd319131529615919 And everywhere else in the English-speaking world, Brian, but for certain parts of the States. Chris On 6 Dec 2008, at 18:23, bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > > "Momentarily" in NZ usage means "for a very short duration". -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 08:48:08 2008 Received: (qmail 17091 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 07:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 07:48:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760A11C40F62 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:48:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C48D04067 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E0034AC049 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:48:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFA434AC040 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:48:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:48:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB77m1Vr013813 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:48:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id mB77lHhx022760 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:47:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB78qKeP063220 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 00:52:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:49:05 -0800 To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" From: Richard Man Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 2544902 - f012e851c71c X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Subject: [OM] time to say goodbye to a good friend.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 08:48:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493b7fb853961585427447 Our Old Lady dog Kiva, is now on "Dogsheimer" pills and she is at least less agitated. The bladder control is going downhill though so we will see. We cry buckets, but it is time to say goodbye to the sweetest dogs we ever have. All dogs are special, but Kiva is absolutely the sweetest. I will call the Mobile Vet on Monday to discuss options. http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/_C061573.jpg She's 15 3/4 years old. Outlived her brother by 2 years and her mom by 4 months. She lost her eye functions starting when she was 4 (congenital disease) and totally lost it when she was 8 or so. A year prior to that she had a back injury (cause unknown) that necessitated a spinal surgery. After the surgery, the vet said she may never walk. Of course since Kiva did not understand what he said so she ignored it. We took her to therapy and bought her a doggie wheelie, and within half a year, she was running. She was blind then of course but she trusted us to guide her. She loves life but it is time to say goodbye. We have our annual Solstice Vigil party on the 20th. If she lasts that long, our friends will get to say goodbye to her too. We love her. // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 11:37:32 2008 Received: (qmail 27548 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 10:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 10:37:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27EB4430197 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C824440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D150B34AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:37:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE4E34AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:37:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-4.concepts.nl (smtp-4.concepts.nl [213.197.30.111]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from 5571ffe5.ftth.concepts.nl ([85.113.255.229] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtp-4.concepts.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L9H0l-0007Sa-G7 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:37:16 +0100 Message-Id: <047D15C5-3B7F-4500-B291-C09E0B7072DA@millennics.com> From: Olaf Greve To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CB253A39E94409-D8C-843@WEBMAIL-DC13.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:36:59 +0100 References: <8CB253A39E94409-D8C-843@WEBMAIL-DC13.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Concepts-MailScanner-Information: Please contact abuse@concepts.nl for more information X-Concepts-MailScanner-ID: 1L9H0l-0007Sa-G7 X-Concepts-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Concepts-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Concepts-MailScanner-From: ogreve@millennics.com Subject: [OM] TOPE 36 and TOPE 32 (!) new entries X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 11:37:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ba76c229231823421471 Hi, Firstly... Rick Beckrich had taken a shot for the Walt tribute TOPE a long time ago, but it had gone astray. It wasn't until recently that he found it again, and sent it to me, to see if it still could be added to the TOPE gallery. No problem of course (especially since the Walt TOPE is a very special one), so.... for the first time publically available is his great Walt tribute shot, at the TOPE 32 gallery! Then... TOPE 36 is also on a roll, and a fine new entry has just been added to it! So, go check out the new goodies at the respective galleries, and keep 'em coming! Cheers! Olafo Main page: http://www.tope.nl Direct link to TOPE 32: http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=32 Direct link to TOPE 36: http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=36 Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: http://www.tope.nl/events.php -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 12:16:52 2008 Received: (qmail 24940 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 11:16:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 11:16:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B1543078D for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:16:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7630440030 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64ED19E115 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:16:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B5B19E11C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:16:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp09.online.nl (smtp09.online.nl [194.134.42.54]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:16:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp09.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E591E089 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:16:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:16:33 +0100 (CET) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:16:32 +0100 Message-ID: <820F9F37FBBF4B248545BFAF0FAA491C@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp09.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 12:16:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493bb0a4132542070262475 Ken Norton wrote: > Hmm. I'll have to think how to rewrite that for clarity. > What I meant to say is that the OM-3Ti will allow you to > royally screw up and get partially-exposed flash pictures. > However, it will also allow you to show your own brilliance > by giving you the option of shooting with much slower shutter > speeds for special effects. > Sounds more than clear enough to me ;-)) Wiliam -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 12:34:57 2008 Received: (qmail 30254 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 11:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 11:34:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1164301B7 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:34:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C95440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:34:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE3219E19D for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:34:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E8019E14C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:34:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp01.online.nl (smtp01.online.nl [194.134.41.31]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:34:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp01.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp01.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50578E015 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:34:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp01.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:34:47 +0100 (CET) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:34:46 +0100 Message-ID: <04FCAA063D49404689CF9E73B1127375@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-reply-to: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp01.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] time to say goodbye to a good friend.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 12:34:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493bb4e1147771342116753 Hi Richard, Ouch, touch one. I wish you all the strength for the upcoming time. I lost my first dog (Terry a cairn terrier) this year on easter Monday 15 years and 3 days old. It was the start of a really bad time for us. Our rabbit (she roamed the neighbourhood and tried to play with the cats on the streets, but they were a bit affraid of her) got under the neighbours car a few weeks later. She obviously did not survive. Another few weeks later My mother in law and my own father died on the same day, in the same hospital, only two rooms apart. (I started an email to you all the next day but did never send it. It just was too hard and personal at the time. Again a few weeks later my daughter and her boyfriend had a terrible accident with their moped. She had a ruptured spline and he had a bad concussion. Thank god everything turned out well with them. To cheer us all up we gave our daughter a kitten for her 18th birthday. It is great fun to have a young animal in the house to accompany our second dog (another cairn terrier, but female). They play together all the time. The sun is starting to shine again here;-) All the best, Wiliam. > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Richard Man [mailto:richard-lists@imagecraft.com] > Verzonden: zondag 7 december 2008 8:49 > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: [OM] time to say goodbye to a good friend.... > > > Our Old Lady dog Kiva, is now on "Dogsheimer" pills and she is at > least less agitated. The bladder control is going downhill though so > we will see. We cry buckets, but it is time to say goodbye to the > sweetest dogs we ever have. All dogs are special, but Kiva is > absolutely the sweetest. I will call the Mobile Vet on Monday to > discuss options. > http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/_C061573.jpg She's 15 3/4 years old. Outlived her brother by 2 years and her mom by 4 months. She lost her eye functions starting when she was 4 (congenital disease) and totally lost it when she was 8 or so. A year prior to that she had a back injury (cause unknown) that necessitated a spinal surgery. After the surgery, the vet said she may never walk. Of course since Kiva did not understand what he said so she ignored it. We took her to therapy and bought her a doggie wheelie, and within half a year, she was running. She was blind then of course but she trusted us to guide her. She loves life but it is time to say goodbye. We have our annual Solstice Vigil party on the 20th. If she lasts that long, our friends will get to say goodbye to her too. We love her. // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 13:06:58 2008 Received: (qmail 9454 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 12:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 12:06:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6352430153 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 04:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EE3440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 04:06:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AAD334AC043 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 04:06:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2A434AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 04:06:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-4.concepts.nl (smtp-4.concepts.nl [213.197.30.111]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 04:06:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from 5571ffe5.ftth.concepts.nl ([85.113.255.229] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtp-4.concepts.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L9IPO-0008Oc-08; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:06:46 +0100 From: Olaf Greve To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Message-Id: <567D85F3-5563-4062-A7D1-1435FF4B65FD@millennics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:06:20 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Concepts-MailScanner-Information: Please contact abuse@concepts.nl for more information X-Concepts-MailScanner-ID: 1L9IPO-0008Oc-08 X-Concepts-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Concepts-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Concepts-MailScanner-From: ogreve@millennics.com Cc: Wayne Harridge Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 13:06:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493bbc62130631993019900 Good to hear he's doing better! Please say hi to him on my behalf, and wish him a speedy recovery. As for the out-of-office mails: no issues whatsoever; such things can happen, let's hope he doesn't feel bad about it, as that's uncalled for. :) Cheers! Olafo On 05 Dec 2008, at 11:46, Wayne Harridge wrote: Andrew had his new knee attached a bit over a week ago and moved from the hospital to a rehabilitation centre 2 days ago. I went to see him this evening and he is in good spirits (complaining about the food and the tea, etc.). He's getting around pretty well on crutches but is still in quite a bit of pain from the surgery and general damage to his leg. He apologises profusely for the email problems he caused with his "out of office" reply. He'll probably be back on the list within a fortnight. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 15:05:30 2008 Received: (qmail 14485 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 14:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 14:05:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65471430334 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:05:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BEF440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1739119E5FD for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:05:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4223A19E5F9 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:05:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from extsmtp3.localnet.com (extsmtp3.localnet.com [207.251.201.55]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:05:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28875 invoked by uid 1011); 7 Dec 2008 14:05:17 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by bolster (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. Clear:RC:0(10.30.204.254):SA:0(3.4/4.8):. Processed in 0.064573 secs); 07 Dec 2008 14:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp3.localnet.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 14:05:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 2760 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 14:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-12-91.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.12.91]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp4.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Dec 2008 14:05:19 -0000 From: Doug To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:08:22 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <8CB22EC19296F2F-16F8-1741@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> <493B4AAC.5050506@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812070908.23043.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Any Moose sightings? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 15:05:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493bd82a214371234514069 On Saturday, December 06, 2008 23:09, Ken Norton wrote: > > You already did. :-) Just not enough to break through at the time. > > Note to self - Get bigger worms. > > AG It's not the size of the worm, it's just how you wiggle it that counts. Sorry I just couldn't resist -Doug -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 15:46:46 2008 Received: (qmail 3999 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 14:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 14:46:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98AB2430332 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F17A440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F6F19E6FA for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:46:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0C419E6F7 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:46:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19162 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2008 14:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 14:46:37 -0000 Message-ID: <493BE1CC.2050302@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:46:36 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20081205112931.qxmvbdmr4ssskcs4@horde.webofnilsson.com> <49391E2F.6000402@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205134407.evv6lpbm0co488kk@horde.webofnilsson.com> <493935E5.3090201@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205153445.xtvkpyhq0w84g0gs@horde.webofnilsson.com> <493B4E9D.7010404@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493B4E9D.7010404@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Manual flash, was: Radio receivers compatible with FL-36R/FL-50R? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 15:46:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493be1d634971529615919 Your comment about the apparently orphaned Sunpak Auto26SR got me to thinking about how to make effective use of it and also a T32. I commented the other day that a T32 wasn't particularly good for manual shooting since it only has two power levels. But, if you're shooting other than direct flash (and you should whenever you can) in a moderately large room you can use the T32 at full power anyhow. I've never used a T32 this way before but I just tried a test exposure in my living room with the T32 at full power on the 5D. The living room is about 15x21 feet (5x7 meters), has a white ceiling and very light walls. I was standing about 1/3 of the way into the room and pointing at the far wall. I set the T32 bounce head one click down from vertical. Zoom lens at 28mm and f/5.6, camera at ISO 400 and 1/30 second. Oops! A little too bright. Close down to f/8. Ah, just right. If there were people in the room that were too close I might have had to close down some more to keep them from being overexposed. But it only took two shots to know I was zeroed in on the correct exposure. Probably faster than using a meter. Also note that the lens is at mid aperture and the ISO is at a middle value. That means there's plenty of opportunity for adjustment to fit your specific room conditions. When using the T32 in this manner it would probably be a good idea to tape a small white card vertically up from the case just behind the flash head. That will direct a small amount of light forward to fill the shadows from the bounced light coming down from the ceiling. Note to Moose: If you pull the 540EZ's wide diffuser panel out and leave it sticking straight out of the case instead of bringing it down over the flash head, when the flash head is directed toward the ceiling for bounce the diffuser panel will also reflect some light forward for fill. If you have a T32 and BG2 and another flash such as Moose's modestly powered Sunpak you can put the T32 on the BG2 and use it swiveled around (even somewhat behind you) to help fill the room with light and cut down shadows. Then use the small flash in the hot shoe bounced off the ceiling between you and the subject. Just as before, a couple of test shots will quickly zero in on the correct exposure. Bounce flash is very important for two reasons. One is just filling the room with light that's bouncing around and cutting down on harsh shadows. The second has to do with the inverse square law and the sensitivity of correct exposure to distance. Assume I'm standing 10 feet from a subject and the correct exposure is f/8 for direct flash. Multiply 10 by 1.4 (the square root of 2) and you get 14. Divide 14 by 2 and you get 7. At 7 and 14 feet the exposure has already changed by a full stop. At 7 feet the correct exposure is f/11 and at 14 feet it's f/5.6. If your subject suddenly moves toward you even a foot or two or (more likely) you're not a super accurate judge of distance there will be a significant exposure error with direct flash. As it turns out, the longer the light path the lesser the sensitivity to exposure errors from a given error in estimating distance. But if you were using bounce flash in a room with an 8 foot ceiling and with the flash head 6 feet from the floor the light path is 10.8 feet which is a little extra margin. In a room with a 10 foot ceiling the light path would be about 13 feet. If the subject suddenly moved 3 feet closer the light path is still 10.6 feet and not 7 with the result that the exposure error is less than a stop as it would have been otherwise. Dr. Flash Moose wrote: > Quoting Chuck Norcutt : > >>> If you're going to go with manual controls then you can use very cheap, used flash heads. Film based TTL flash units like the T-32 go very cheaply because they don't work on digital. But the T-32 isn't a particularly good choice for manual control since it only offers two power levels. The Canon 540EZ which has 8 levels can be had for as low as $60 from KEH (BGN if they have one). > > I bought a KEH bargain one on Chuck's recommendation and was very > pleased. I seldom use flash, but when I needed it for an event in a > dimly lit building, it really delivered the goods. I think he is right > about going manual for flash where the light isn't changing and distance > is fairly steady, too. > > Test to get the histogram right, then just fire away. > >>> They tend to sell for a lot more than that on ebay. I think they're being sold to Canon DSLR newbies who don't know the flash won't work in TTL mode. :-) > Still nice on an EOS camera, as it does communicate and provide extra > info on the LCD. The zoom head is useful too. The IR focus assist > feature is amazing. >>> Other good choices are the Sunpak 422/433/444 or 383 (5 power levels). The 400 series are discontinued film TTL models, the 383 was (until recently) a current production manual flash. All are basically the >>> same flash unit with the same power. > I've also got a Sunpak Auto26SR, GN 86 @ 35mm up to 120 @ 135mm with the > manual zoom head. Five power levels and twist and tilt head. It was > cheap on the 'Bay. Unlikely to see use with the 540EZ around now, unless > I ever want a two flash manual setup. > > Moose > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 16:01:55 2008 Received: (qmail 9830 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 15:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 15:01:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB96A430323 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:01:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DA0440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494A919E757 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:01:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB2319E74A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:01:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25451 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2008 15:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 15:01:47 -0000 Message-ID: <493BE55A.9010003@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:01:46 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493B50FB.8030608@speakeasy.net> <493B5EE5.2070902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493B5EE5.2070902@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 16:01:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493be56393431234514069 As Moose says, some software applications (BreezeBrowser included) do lossless rotation of JPEGs. But the way that is done is to simply set the EXIF flag that says show this as vertical instead of horizontal. Whether it's effective or not depends on whether the next piece of software to pick up the image is smart enough to check the orientation and honor it. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Steve & Alicia Goss wrote: >> Hi, Y'all- >> What is it with vertical shots on the E-510? >> On my previous digicam a vertical shot was saved as a vertical shot. (portrait as opposed to landscape) When it was viewed in a directory listing or in an editor it would be vertical. With the E-510, the shots are vertical in photo editing software, but in directory listings or when uploaded to the web they are still horizontal. Is there a way to get a true vertical image from the E-510, or should I tell the E-510 not to bother and rotate them manually in the editor? >> > There is no such thing as a 'true' vertical shot from most digicams. > However, many of them do set a field in the EXIF header indicating how > they are to be displayed. Most image browsers, RAW converters and > editors will then open/display them with correct orientation. Web > browsers, however, apparently don't pay attention. > > When I open a file in PS, it is displayed in the correct orientation and > when I save the altered copy, it is then saved correctly, too. So my > downsized images for the web are correct without any thought on my part. > Is there a menu setting in the 510 about orientation sensor/EXIF? > > The Fuji F10 and F30 don't have internal orientation sensors, so don't > know at what angle they are being shot. Also, cameras are sometimes > fooled when shooting straight up or down. > > In FastStone, IrfanView and, I assume, other image browsers, there is a > lossless rotate function for JPEGs. When I load a batch of images from > the Fujis into the computer, I select all that need a right rotation and > rotate them all at once, then do the ones that are the other way. > Doesn't take long. > > Moose > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 16:07:51 2008 Received: (qmail 14917 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 15:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 15:07:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156EB430205 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:07:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E0F440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B6934AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:07:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E195D34AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:07:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28240 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2008 15:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 15:07:43 -0000 Message-ID: <493BE6BF.6070005@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:07:43 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493B57F6.2@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493B57F6.2@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] One Roll, One Lens, One Hour X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 16:07:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493be6c7179131342116753 Well, maybe it's not crappy scanning. Looks to me like "expose to the right". Just exactly what a Moose needs to make final corrections. :-) Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Ken Norton wrote: >> ... >> >> This photo project was to load one roll of Fuji Superia 100 color print film in the OM-3Tiwith a 50mm lens and restrict myself to one hour in downtown Grinnell, Iowa. The roll is being presented in its entirety, warts and all. No editing, cropping or parsing the outtakes. Images are presented in the order they were taken. >> > > Nice idea for a project. Unless, of course, one looks at the results and > says "Sheesh, this is crap! I've no photographic imagination anymore, if > I ever had any. I'm packing it in." Those sort of thoughts occur to me > on occasion when I see the results of an outing. :-) > > From the looks of the results, Grinnell was a tough challenge to set > yourself. Given the lens chosen, I think I'd have made fewer "here's a > shot down an empty street" shots and several close-up/macros. I can see > where you might think that would be a cop out, though. > > Is there a reason most of the shots of people on the street have their > backs to you? ;-) I guess the kid didn't get the memo? > > One thing puzzles me, though. C.H. put it very well. > >> ... All the scans are very high-keyed with blowout highlight details, a bit hard to view. This is the problem for one hour labs as their scans are optimised for their printing machine. >> > > I can see clearly the rationale for all the other "warts and all" > factors, but why put the images at the mercy of crappy scanning? I have > no idea about your reason(s), but from out here, it's very off-putting. > I really had to force myself to look more carefully at the subjects and > compositions. Some are literally hard to look at, and invite being > rapidly scanned past. > > Even the relatively mundane look better with some correction. > > > And it's a lot easier to enjoy the wonderful aspects of a nice people > snap if the background isn't screaming. > > > Whatever editor you use, isn't it possible to batch process the whole > lot of them to bring the tonality into some sort of order? > > I particularly liked "Self-portrait in the window of an antique store." > > > It reminded me of when I had the same idea. > > > Moose > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 16:10:48 2008 Received: (qmail 8910 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 15:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 15:10:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9034302CE for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:10:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9A9440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:10:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED9634AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:10:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4942D34AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:10:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:10:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29780 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2008 15:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 15:10:41 -0000 Message-ID: <493BE771.4000706@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:10:41 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> In-Reply-To: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> Subject: Re: [OM] time to say goodbye to a good friend.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 16:10:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493be77836062046811720 An excellent portrait to remember her by. Chuck Norcutt Richard Man wrote: > Our Old Lady dog Kiva, is now on "Dogsheimer" pills and she is at > least less agitated. The bladder control is going downhill though so > we will see. We cry buckets, but it is time to say goodbye to the > sweetest dogs we ever have. All dogs are special, but Kiva is > absolutely the sweetest. I will call the Mobile Vet on Monday to > discuss options. > > http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/_C061573.jpg > > She's 15 3/4 years old. Outlived her brother by 2 years and her mom > by 4 months. She lost her eye functions starting when she was 4 > (congenital disease) and totally lost it when she was 8 or so. A year > prior to that she had a back injury (cause unknown) that necessitated > a spinal surgery. After the surgery, the vet said she may never walk. > Of course since Kiva did not understand what he said so she ignored > it. We took her to therapy and bought her a doggie wheelie, and > within half a year, she was running. She was blind then of course but > she trusted us to guide her. > > She loves life but it is time to say goodbye. We have our annual > Solstice Vigil party on the 20th. If she lasts that long, our friends > will get to say goodbye to her too. We love her. > > // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, > please use richard at imagecraft.com) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 16:12:58 2008 Received: (qmail 1786 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 15:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 15:12:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78B84301A2 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97140440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0DF19E7AF for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:12:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1BA19E7B2 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:12:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:12:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 08 Dec 2008 02:12:44 +1100 Message-ID: <100-eee73b49-38291.004@unixos2.com> From: "Dr Who?" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:12:46 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <493BE771.4000706@chucknorcutt.com> References: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> <493BE771.4000706@chucknorcutt.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: Earth TPortal 4 X-Mailer: Galafrey-loop v92.1 for Tardis18/5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Oops X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 16:12:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493be7fa3441744846740 My apologies to everyone, wrong key. 'God does not play dice with the universe.' -- Albert Einstein 'If it ain't broke, you can probably still fix it.' - Tim Allen -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 16:19:20 2008 Received: (qmail 9455 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 15:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 15:19:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555D54301C0 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26C5440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC2534AC043 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:19:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84BA34AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:19:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out3.tiscali.nl (smtp-out3.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.178]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out3.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1L9LPc-0005Kp-So for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:19:12 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:19:04 +0100 Message-ID: <8vpnj4tnfpscigrkv8h5q0clr3bpndtftp@4ax.com> References: <493B50FB.8030608@speakeasy.net> <493B5EE5.2070902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493B5EE5.2070902@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 16:19:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493be978160241744846740 Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:28:05 -0800, Moose wrote: >...... When I load a batch of images from >the Fujis into the computer, I select all that need a right rotation and >rotate them all at once, then do the ones that are the other way. >Doesn't take long. > >Moose Hi, Moose. Does that imply that when making a 'vertical' shot you sometimes hold the camera with the righthand end pointing upward, and at other times with the same end downward? I have never thought about this, and now I start wondering how people do hold their camera when shooting. In my case all my verticals are always taken with right end facing upward. I wouldn't even be able to handle my camera (E-400) the other way around... Frank van Lindert. Utrecht NL. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 16:42:09 2008 Received: (qmail 430 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 15:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 15:42:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6614B43032D for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646D6440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:42:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5727B34AC043 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:42:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79CD34AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:42:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:42:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so462670ugf.21 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:42:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.121.19 with SMTP id y19mr859909mum.56.1228664522337; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:42:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:42:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:42:02 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <820F9F37FBBF4B248545BFAF0FAA491C@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <820F9F37FBBF4B248545BFAF0FAA491C@Breedbeeld> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 43988c34c835cfc5 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 16:42:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493beed1208181470116606 > > Sounds more than clear enough to me ;-)) I did rewrite that paragraph to make the explanation clearer. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 17:17:04 2008 Received: (qmail 21666 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 16:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 16:17:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4305243033E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7E9440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:16:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1926619E9B6 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:16:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FEE319E9A7 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:16:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp03.online.nl (smtp03.online.nl [194.134.41.33]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp03.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91A96807C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:16:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:16:48 +0100 (CET) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:16:47 +0100 Message-ID: <546D797FF03A4CFCAA117AC38D416AEF@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-reply-to: <8vpnj4tnfpscigrkv8h5q0clr3bpndtftp@4ax.com> Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp03.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 17:17:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493bf700321822046811720 Hi Frank, Since you are wondering, I'll tell you. With the OM's and with the E-1 without the vertical grip I always shot right hand side facing don. So I do Opposite to you. In this type of shooting I hold the camera mainly with my right hand and with my left hand around the lens. I place my right hand so that I trigger the shutter with my thumb. The little finger and on the OM's even the ring finger fall around the bottom plate of the body. It gives you more possibilities to brace your right arm to your body to allow longer shutter speeds without motion blur. For me it really works fine. Come to think of it, I prefer this position of the camera probably also because I always use my left eye to look through the viewfinder. With the E-1 with grip attached I turn the camera counterclockwise so the right hand side faces up. The whole camera works just the same as in normal landscape position. I am curious too as to which way other people hold teir cameras when shooting vertical. Wiliam > Frank van Lindert wrote: > > I have never thought about this, and now I start wondering > how people do hold their camera when shooting. In my case all > my verticals are always taken with right end facing upward. I > wouldn't even be able to handle my camera (E-400) the other > way around... > > Frank van Lindert. > Utrecht NL. > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 17:21:03 2008 Received: (qmail 12927 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 16:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 16:21:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD80430304 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594B6440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:20:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4528519E9CE for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:20:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7590919E9CC for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:20:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29558 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2008 16:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 16:20:55 -0000 Message-ID: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:20:54 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list Subject: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 17:21:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493bf7ef123869347015869 It's been many years since I've actually used a T32 on-camera. When I did I alwyas used it with an OM-2Sp and in TTL mode or my OM-1 in auto mode (I didn't know any different back then). Prior to this morning I don't think I've ever paid much attention to using the T32 in manual mode much less as a manual direct flash. I've grown attached to my Canyon 540EZ for that sort of usage because it has a built-in distance calculator bar graph when in manual mode which does all the guide number calculations. The flash communicates with the camera and knows the ISO setting and the focal length and shooting aperture of the lens in use. If allowed to do so it will also zoom the flash head to suit the lens. When it does all of this it also displays the f/stop in use and a distance scale. Above the distance scale it puts a marker over the distance that should be used at that focal length, aperture and ISO. You can either position yourself at that distance or choose to change the zoom head by changing focal length or change ISO or aperture to get the right exposure. So, this morning I decided to see what assistance the T32 offers for manual guide number calculations. After looking at the calculator panel I realized that I wasn't 100% sure about how the distance scale was to be used in manual mode. I think it may have been the first time that I've ever completely read the T32 manual. As it turns out the distance scale in manual mode is meant to give the correct guide number calculated distance vs. aperture when the ISO is set with the flash at full power. At ISO 100 the guide number is the nominal 32 meters and reading the scale for a distance of 8 meters says to set the aperture to f/4. To double the distance to 16 meters at f/4 we'd have to quadruple the ISO to 400. So far so good. But what happens when you change to low power manual mode which changes the guide number to 16 from 32 at ISO 100. The Canyon will do all the calculation automagically but the T32 manual doesn't even give any guidance on what to do. I pondered this for a second until it finally dawned on me that the solution is to simply lie about the ISO level. While cutting to the low power mode of the T32 halves the guide number from 32 to 16 it is actually cutting the power level by a factor of 4. To compensate on the guide number calculator dial we only need to cut the ISO setting by a factor of 4. So, if you're shooting with ISO 100 film just set the ISO on the dial to 25. Now the calculator panel will read correct distances and apertures at the lower power setting. Dr. Flash -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 17:26:52 2008 Received: (qmail 30004 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 16:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 16:26:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA42743022F for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90310440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:26:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AA919E9F0 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:26:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E7919E9F2 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:26:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:26:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d5f.3d28aa64 (37144) for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA036-5bb0493bf937212; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:26:36 -0500 Received: from WEBMAIL-MY01 (webmail-my01.sim.aol.com [64.12.108.12]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA017-5bb0493bf937212; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:26:31 -0500 References: To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:26:31 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 67.190.32.211 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nsurit@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 67.190.32.211 by WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.12) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:26:31 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB269FB26FF1F7-15B0-11EE@WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 17:26:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493bf94c164021470116606 Ken, with all due respect to your review, I need you to send the OM 3-Ti to me for a hands-on inspection and testing.? After passage of some time, it will be available to pick up in Texas . . .? if you can ever catch me at home.? Bill Barber -----Original Message----- From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Sent: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 1:25 pm Subject: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 Yes, I managed to actually get this one finished in reasonable time. The OM-3Ti Camera Review is now posted on www.zone-10.com for all to see. Standard "Shameless Plug Alert". The OM-3Ti and Zuiko 35-80 F2.8 lens are recent arrivals to the OM Living History Farm. In fact, the lens just arrived and was mounted to the camera for the photographs in the review. In case you can't tell--yes I like it! If you encounter factoid errors, let me know and I'll promptly correct them. -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 17:29:54 2008 Received: (qmail 5158 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 16:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 16:29:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4FB430145 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BC6440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:29:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723CF19EA14 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:29:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.336 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.336 required=7 tests=[DIET_1=0.336] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1D519EA04 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:29:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:29:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1120 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2008 16:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 16:29:47 -0000 Message-ID: <493BF9FB.8010304@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:29:47 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <546D797FF03A4CFCAA117AC38D416AEF@Breedbeeld> In-Reply-To: <546D797FF03A4CFCAA117AC38D416AEF@Breedbeeld> Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 17:29:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493bfa02283921838542571 Rotated counter-clockwise (right side up) about 95% of the time and probably because I find it awkward to use my thumb on the shutter button and even more awkward to use the index finger when rotated clockwise. But for reasons I don't really understand and have never tried to analyze I do occasionally take one the other way. I also don't think I use one body differently than another. I have the optional battery pack for my Mynolta A1 which has an auxiliary shutter button for use in vertical orientation but I found that (out of habit I suppose) I really didn't use that shutter button very much because it requires changing your grip on the camera and I much preferred getting rid of the battery pack and its extra weight. Chuck Norcutt Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > Hi Frank, > > Since you are wondering, I'll tell you. > > With the OM's and with the E-1 without the vertical grip I always shot > right hand side facing don. So I do Opposite to you. In this type of > shooting I hold the camera mainly with my right hand and with my left > hand around the lens. I place my right hand so that I trigger the > shutter with my thumb. The little finger and on the OM's even the ring > finger fall around the bottom plate of the body. It gives you more > possibilities to brace your right arm to your body to allow longer > shutter speeds without motion blur. For me it really works fine. Come to > think of it, I prefer this position of the camera probably also because > I always use my left eye to look through the viewfinder. > > With the E-1 with grip attached I turn the camera counterclockwise so > the right hand side faces up. The whole camera works just the same as in > normal landscape position. > > I am curious too as to which way other people hold teir cameras when > shooting vertical. > > Wiliam > >> Frank van Lindert wrote: >> >> I have never thought about this, and now I start wondering >> how people do hold their camera when shooting. In my case all >> my verticals are always taken with right end facing upward. I >> wouldn't even be able to handle my camera (E-400) the other >> way around... >> >> Frank van Lindert. >> Utrecht NL. >> -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 17:44:01 2008 Received: (qmail 12312 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 16:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 16:44:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CFB4430235 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:43:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CE8440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:43:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6881519EA67 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:43:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DA919EA6E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:43:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:43:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09ABC96E4 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:03:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <69593BA5-30D0-42F1-B1E6-7D5E6FB1B648@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:43:52 +0000 References: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] time to say goodbye to a good friend.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 17:44:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493bfd51256062070262475 All the best to all of you. Chris On 7 Dec 2008, at 07:49, Richard Man wrote: > She loves life but it is time to say goodbye. We have our annual > Solstice Vigil party on the 20th. If she lasts that long, our friends > will get to say goodbye to her too. We love her. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 18:00:10 2008 Received: (qmail 27911 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 17:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 17:00:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A425043022A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BCF440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BEF19EAD2 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:00:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D26219EABE for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:00:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so405005nfc.20 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:00:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.172.7 with SMTP id z7mr864788muo.129.1228669202434; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:00:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:00:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:00:02 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <8CB269FB26FF1F7-15B0-11EE@WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CB269FB26FF1F7-15B0-11EE@WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 67dbc6aa9be7daee Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 18:00:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c011a70861702588592 NSURIT wrote: > > Ken, with all due respect to your review, I need you to send the OM 3-Ti to > me for a hands-on inspection and testing.? After passage of some time, it > will be available to pick up in Texas . . .? if you can ever catch me at > home.? Bill Barber Here's the deal: Anybody who comes to my workshops will have full access to any items in my kit. It might cost you a 7-14, though. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 18:08:16 2008 Received: (qmail 17677 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 17:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 17:08:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1AA430312 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:08:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A331E440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9581534AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:08:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E399C34AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:08:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so476137ugf.21 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:08:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.160.9 with SMTP id m9mr885929muo.53.1228669688736; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:08:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:08:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:08:08 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493BF9FB.8010304@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <546D797FF03A4CFCAA117AC38D416AEF@Breedbeeld> <493BF9FB.8010304@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 955eeeaccf7859b4 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 18:08:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c030016071993019900 I've been a right-side on top rotator from the beginning of time. Only recently did I learn that this the "wrong way" and I've tried to undo 30 years of incorrect programming. I'm not sure who created those rules. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 18:35:23 2008 Received: (qmail 7535 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 17:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 17:35:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C7E43033B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07088440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D666A19EBB1 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:35:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B32D19EBAE for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:35:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27244 invoked by uid 503); 7 Dec 2008 17:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jeff410) (om-list@71.202.108.126) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 17:35:14 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <546D797FF03A4CFCAA117AC38D416AEF@Breedbeeld><493BF9FB.8010304@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:35:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclYjmPQHC8KcnLdR7Gr4yZYWkOjUAAAGp4g In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: [OM] Flash - was RE: *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 18:35:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c095b165469347015869 If you use a bounce grip it might be worthwhile to always keep whichever side you mount it on up even when you aren't using flash. I unfortunately found during a hectic important event that I fell back into a habit that worked fine without the flash but not so well with it. My only excuse is that I seldom use on camera flash. :^( Also I'm surprised no one mentioned using T32's off camera in Auto mode. It's been a couple years since I did it but I found it worked well except for the cheap remote slaves I was using and the need to carry a dozen extra charged AA batteries. I believe I just set a different f-stop to adjust the exposure of the flash. I could position three of them around a room. The hardest part was finding a position which would hide the flash and not give a hot spot on the nearest wall. The fact that when one of the remote flashes triggered it could trigger a flash hidden from the camera made the placement more flexible. -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Ken Norton [mailto:ken@zone-10.com] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:08 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals I've been a right-side on top rotator from the beginning of time. Only recently did I learn that this the "wrong way" and I've tried to undo 30 years of incorrect programming. I'm not sure who created those rules. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 19:26:41 2008 Received: (qmail 16763 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 18:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 18:26:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E512843028B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:26:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B8D440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:26:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2830119ED11 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:26:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C92B19ECFC for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:26:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69FD31418B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:47:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E3C314189 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:47:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493C1565.1000507@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:26:45 -0800 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081206-0, 12/06/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 19:26:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c1561221321585427447 I believe that is not the fault of the E510 but rather of the viewing software which fails to read the exif data. This is one of the reasons I prefer to download and view photos using Faststone Image Viewer. free download JPG thumbs are automatically rotated according to what the camera believed to be correct orientation with the option of permanent lossless rotation. RAW files are displayed as shot but one can quickly determine if there is anything to be gained from them or if the jpg is good enough. Simple adjustments and resize can be done in Faststone or the image passed on to PS. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 19:26:53 2008 Received: (qmail 16415 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 18:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 18:26:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2734C430353 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82CB440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:26:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB00A34AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:26:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDFA34AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:26:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.149]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:26:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 21so312083eyc.26 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:26:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.244.4 with SMTP id w4mr906606mur.90.1228674405191; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:26:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:26:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:26:45 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <546D797FF03A4CFCAA117AC38D416AEF@Breedbeeld> <493BF9FB.8010304@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c09a143e0a0b7bf0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flash - was RE: *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 19:26:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c156d313182046811720 > > Also I'm surprised no one mentioned using T32's off camera in Auto mode. > I've never really had too much luck with remote flashes in Auto Mode. They can really interfere with each other and mess up the exposures. If they are covering isolated areas, I suppose they wouldn't be that big of a problem, but then I ask the question "why?" My clamp or stand mounted remote Vivitar 285HV flashes are almost always set in manual mode with the power set to either 1/2 or 1/4 power so my recycle times are reasonable and battery life long. For the typical reception hall, I'll point them up at the ceiling to give it the look of ambient light or occasionally into umbrellas. Flash positioning is such that I play on the distance card to keep light levels relatively even over the room. I'll usually have my monolights if the room is large and dark. A dozen or so times a year I photograph live events, be it concerts, theater style productions, awards ceremonies, etc. These are a mixed bag of no-flash and flash-allowed events. (yes, the no-flash ones I'd love to have a D700 for). Placement of the strobes is usually in the balconies while I'm shooting from the main floor, down front or even on the stage itself! Sometimes from the back. I'll run the strobes up on the stands as high as I can and attempt to mimick the look of the normal stage lights. One big event in a 1500 seat auditorium requires both my monolights and a 285HV flash on full power to cover the entire 110 foot wide, by 65 foot deep stage with even multi-light lighting. For that setup I also have a Stroboframe'd 285HV on the camera for "fill flash". The on-camera flash is usually in Auto-Yellow. I may have up to 100 people accepting an "award" (or something like a diploma) during the ceremony and for those moments, I use only the monolights as the 285HVs don't recycle fast enough. Each person requires three individual pictures during their traversing the stage. The ebay triggers have worked nearly perfectly in this application. On a side note, this past year while shooting this big shindig, I had the best possible accessory--a second photographer. That was nice because I placed him in one particular position to take care of photos that can get upstaged from my angle. He was shooting ambient with the E-3 and they turned out great--except for the dozens of shots where we photographed simultaneously and my flash messed up his shots. Now, I just have to figure out how to replace the cells in the battery pack of a T45 flash. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 19:28:24 2008 Received: (qmail 1906 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 18:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 18:28:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CB2430334 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:28:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84220440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:28:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5E634AC043 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:28:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B49834AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:28:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:28:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17236 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2008 18:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 18:28:14 -0000 Message-ID: <493C15BE.5010100@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:28:14 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <546D797FF03A4CFCAA117AC38D416AEF@Breedbeeld><493BF9FB.8010304@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Flash - was RE: *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 19:28:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c15c8111601744846740 I've never tried it but see that it could work quite well to get around the limitations of the T32's limited manual control. But I think I'd use the ISO slider for exposure control rather than the more limited auto aperture range. Better than the manual control's two ranges but still only three discrete levels one stop apart. The ISO slider gives a seven stop range with no discrete step levels. It's too bad I can't use them behind an umbrella that way. Hmmm. Maybe a variable density ND filter over the sensor. :-) Chuck Norcutt Jeff Keller wrote: > > Also I'm surprised no one mentioned using T32's off camera in Auto mode. > It's been a couple years since I did it but I found it worked well except > for the cheap remote slaves I was using and the need to carry a dozen extra > charged AA batteries. I believe I just set a different f-stop to adjust the > exposure of the flash. I could position three of them around a room. The > hardest part was finding a position which would hide the flash and not give > a hot spot on the nearest wall. The fact that when one of the remote flashes > triggered it could trigger a flash hidden from the camera made the placement > more flexible. > > -jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Norton [mailto:ken@zone-10.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:08 AM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals > > I've been a right-side on top rotator from the beginning of time. Only > recently did I learn that this the "wrong way" and I've tried to undo 30 > years of incorrect programming. I'm not sure who created those rules. > AG > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 19:41:59 2008 Received: (qmail 15745 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 18:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 18:41:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7A9430214 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493E5440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3900E19ED7E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:41:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5052E19ED66 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:41:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22367 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2008 18:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 18:41:23 -0000 Message-ID: <493C18D3.6000503@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:41:23 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <546D797FF03A4CFCAA117AC38D416AEF@Breedbeeld> <493BF9FB.8010304@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Flash - was RE: *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 19:41:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c18f727441744846740 Don't bother. Just get one of these Turbo battery clones instead and connect up with a Quantum CO3 cable (they can be had on the bay for about $20 if you wait long enough) The SP Systems pack should recycle a T45 from full dump in about 3 sec. I use one connected to two T-32s via a Quantum "Y" cable and that's my guess at the recycle time which should be about the same as one T45. Dr. Flash Ken Norton wrote: > > Now, I just have to figure out how to replace the cells in the battery pack > of a T45 flash. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 20:23:04 2008 Received: (qmail 18814 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 19:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 19:23:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFE6430338 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAA2440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:23:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B79834AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:23:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.057 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.057 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B101134AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:22:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:22:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C972831418E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89572314189 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:23:10 -0800 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081206-0, 12/06/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 20:23:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c229821982046811720 As anyone in the PacNW who isn't totally blind has noticed we've had some pretty spectacular sunrises/sunsets over the last few days. It helps that the sun barely clears the trees at this time of year. My attempts at capturing the colors fell short but this shot from another forum I frequent was pretty good. Taken from Kenny Park. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 20:38:16 2008 Received: (qmail 7846 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 19:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 19:38:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1D3430335 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:38:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE55440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E58719EF21 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:38:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.058 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.058 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533D419EF0E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:38:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web30608.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30608.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.131]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:38:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 84011 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2008 19:38:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IsMVqWoVM1kXjm5SW6sfI0QLX638M4spKnInEshnH6MFWx.ye8ThTaS0h1GYOubcewsjJxKo1BbNMDLChuh4ZenaCCqf9okLYbB.Fl9tAdpLsvYjNOB510TW79DZHuw43M35LtMqfE6T.KveqGA2NBq1QXG1mj4PWNJVJFUejb_gpDm5A7As2rnzU3V3 Received: from [71.97.4.235] by web30608.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:38:04 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:38:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <768543.83200.qm@web30608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 20:38:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c2628190931023412894 =A0=A0 Mike, =A0 =A0That is a very nice shot! I have been shooting sunrise shots here in Tex= as, and yes they have been pretty awesome of late. Your shot looks like som= ething you'd expect to see on Mars or something, very cool. =A0 Jerry Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Mike wrote: From: Mike Subject: [OM] PacNW sunsets To: "1" Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 1:23 PM As anyone in the PacNW who isn't totally blind has noticed we've had = some pretty spectacular sunrises/sunsets over the last few days. It = helps that the sun barely clears the trees at this time of year. My = attempts at capturing the colors fell short but this shot from another = forum I frequent was pretty good. Taken from Kenny Park. Mike -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 20:39:34 2008 Received: (qmail 11785 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 19:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 19:39:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AAE43032E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:39:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76197440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:39:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6305934AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:39:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.056 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.056 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571E134AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:39:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:39:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KBI007HBULOVU20@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:39:24 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-8-64.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.8.64]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:40:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:39:23 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <2A954EF5B52A496C8B7382BF346D63EF@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoUSACe1O0kYighA/2dsb2JhbACBZogZwigHgn4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,730,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="239638232" References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 20:39:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c2676235871869477228 Wow ................ Gotta love what Photoshop can do ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: "1" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: [OM] PacNW sunsets > As anyone in the PacNW who isn't totally blind has noticed we've had > some pretty spectacular sunrises/sunsets over the last few days. It > helps that the sun barely clears the trees at this time of year. My > attempts at capturing the colors fell short but this shot from another > forum I frequent was pretty good. Taken from Kenny Park. > > > > Mike > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 21:25:18 2008 Received: (qmail 18034 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 20:25:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 20:25:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B84943023D for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:25:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48F7440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:25:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E5B34AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:25:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320C934AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:25:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 23 days 13:24:39 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E5425C3A7F for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:25:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jrqk-1AlZQUg for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:24:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0277D25C3A69 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:24:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3788BBF2-4497-4587-B151-9F0B3FED9240@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:24:50 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] For sale - 4" x 5" film holders X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 21:25:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c312e257457350615338 > From: Chuck Norcutt > > I'll take this opportunity to ask how standard are 4x5 film holders? Hey, when you've got shift and tilt going and are stopped down to f90, who cares? :-) Seriously, they seem to be standard enough that I can go to a swap meet and buy any of them that I think will hold light and still manage to load them in the dark the first time and get sharp images. The biggest problem doesn't seem to be register distance, but holding the film flat. :::: The Apocalypse has Four Horsemen: climate change, habitat destruction, industrial agriculture, and poverty. Each Horseman holds a whip called Growth in his hand. None can be stopped unless all are stopped. -- David Foley :::: :::: Jan Steinman, Communication Steward, EcoReality :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 21:31:41 2008 Received: (qmail 21354 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 20:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 20:31:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA414302AC for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0DF440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20A434AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:31:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.057 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.057 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585B134AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:31:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp02.online.nl (smtp02.online.nl [194.134.41.32]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp02.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DBBA20B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:31:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:31:22 +0100 (CET) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:31:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-reply-to: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp02.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 21:31:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c32ad46031073733319 Absolutely spectacular! Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Mike [mailto:watershed@interisland.net] > Verzonden: zondag 7 december 2008 20:23 > Aan: 1 > Onderwerp: [OM] PacNW sunsets > > > As anyone in the PacNW who isn't totally blind has noticed we've had > some pretty spectacular sunrises/sunsets over the last few days. It > helps that the sun barely clears the trees at this time of year. My > attempts at capturing the colors fell short but this shot > from another > forum I frequent was pretty good. Taken from Kenny Park. > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 21:35:10 2008 Received: (qmail 17397 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 20:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 20:35:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD3C430299 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231F5440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F06934AC046 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:35:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DB834AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:35:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 23 days 13:34:37 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:35:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD2C25C3C8A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:35:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DXxNwlAkck73 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:34:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24AE25C3C7F for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:34:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:34:54 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] For sale - 4" x 5" film holders X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 21:35:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c337e91791073733319 Oh, almost forgot, my second camera, given to me by my dad when I was about 7-8 years old, a Zeiss-Ikon Ideal 255 (with Tessar 135mm f4.3) has non-standard, single-sided holders that require me to trim about 3mm off the long edge of 4"x5" film. But I suspect that's an exception. I think this camera was made in Dresden before the war. My dad picked it up when he was in the occupation forces. :::: Beware the "dopeler effect:" if bad ideas come at you fast enough, they seem like better ideas. :::: :::: Jan Steinman, an (almost) fossil-fuel-free zone! http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 22:04:33 2008 Received: (qmail 25224 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 21:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 21:04:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C24430746 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992B3440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDBC34AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:04:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40E034AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:04:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from extsmtp3.localnet.com (extsmtp3.localnet.com [207.251.201.55]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28661 invoked by uid 1011); 7 Dec 2008 21:04:27 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by bolster (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. Clear:RC:0(10.30.204.254):SA:0(3.4/4.8):. Processed in 0.070553 secs); 07 Dec 2008 21:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp3.localnet.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 21:04:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 25971 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 21:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-13-28.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.13.28]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp4.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Dec 2008 21:04:29 -0000 From: Doug To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:07:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> In-Reply-To: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812071607.40187.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: Re: [OM] time to say goodbye to a good friend.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 22:04:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c3a61147961499373980 On Sunday, December 07, 2008 02:49, Richard Man wrote: > Our Old Lady dog Kiva, is now on "Dogsheimer" pills and she is at > least less agitated. The bladder control is going downhill though so > we will see. We cry buckets, but it is time to say goodbye to the > sweetest dogs we ever have. All dogs are special, but Kiva is > absolutely the sweetest. I will call the Mobile Vet on Monday to > discuss options. I don't think that people who don't have pets understand how close you get to them. My thoughts are with you. -Doug who has half a cat and half a dog. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 22:11:45 2008 Received: (qmail 21264 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 21:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 21:11:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFC543034A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EFA440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:11:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8656419F271 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:11:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A8E19F270 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:11:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.242]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:11:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so876654rvb.50 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:11:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.198.9 with SMTP id a9mr1286579rvq.62.1228684298792; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ([75.142.198.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c20sm11864226rvf.9.2008.12.07.13.11.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:11:37 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> References: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> Message-Id: From: Nicoletta Da Ros Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:11:16 -0800 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] time to say goodbye to a good friend.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 22:11:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c3c1132251342116753 Gaia passed away almost two years ago, at a time when I was away from her. I know how hard it is; enjoy these moments with her, make her feel you are near, and believe she is going to a happier place, where all her ailments are nothing but a faint memory. Hugs, and a special one to Kiva. Nico. On Dec 6, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Richard Man wrote: Our Old Lady dog Kiva, is now on "Dogsheimer" pills and she is at least less agitated. The bladder control is going downhill though so we will see. We cry buckets, but it is time to say goodbye to the sweetest dogs we ever have. All dogs are special, but Kiva is absolutely the sweetest. I will call the Mobile Vet on Monday to discuss options. http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/_C061573.jpg She's 15 3/4 years old. Outlived her brother by 2 years and her mom by 4 months. She lost her eye functions starting when she was 4 (congenital disease) and totally lost it when she was 8 or so. A year prior to that she had a back injury (cause unknown) that necessitated a spinal surgery. After the surgery, the vet said she may never walk. Of course since Kiva did not understand what he said so she ignored it. We took her to therapy and bought her a doggie wheelie, and within half a year, she was running. She was blind then of course but she trusted us to guide her. She loves life but it is time to say goodbye. We have our annual Solstice Vigil party on the 20th. If she lasts that long, our friends will get to say goodbye to her too. We love her. // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 22:49:25 2008 Received: (qmail 18464 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 21:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 21:49:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6460C430763 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AABB440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:49:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8A019F367 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:49:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 3.551 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.551 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CAD19F365 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:49:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.237]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB7LnG10007290 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:49:17 +1100 Message-Id: <200812072149.mB7LnG10007290@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:49:16 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:49:16 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 22:49:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c44e573865368819438 > Mike wrote: > > As anyone in the PacNW who isn't totally blind has noticed we've had > some pretty spectacular sunrises/sunsets over the last few days. It > helps that the sun barely clears the trees at this time of year. My > attempts at capturing the colors fell short but this shot from another > forum I frequent was pretty good. Taken from Kenny Park. > > > Very impressive shot. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 23:09:33 2008 Received: (qmail 12272 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 22:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 22:09:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22F6430338 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:09:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64595440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:09:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5895E34AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:09:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A250E34AC043 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:09:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:09:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c81.40a3e0a9 (37552) for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:09:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.149]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB031-5c68493c498f14b; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:09:20 -0500 Received: from WEBMAIL-MY01 (webmail-my01.sim.aol.com [64.12.108.12]) by smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB026-5c68493c498f14b; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:09:19 -0500 References: <8CB269FB26FF1F7-15B0-11EE@WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com> To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:09:19 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 67.190.32.211 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nsurit@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 67.190.32.211 by WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.12) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:09:19 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB26CF96604847-D3C-7F1@WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 23:09:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c499d315981702588592 Here's the deal: Anybody who comes to my workshops will have full access to any items in my kit. It might cost you a 7-14, though. :) And I know it would be worth it.? Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 23:20:46 2008 Received: (qmail 32507 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 22:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 22:20:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC19843033D for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:20:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB162440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FDD34AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:20:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.057 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.057 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C4834AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:20:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12976 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2008 22:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 22:20:34 -0000 Message-ID: <493C4C32.6070602@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:20:34 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 23:20:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c4c3e15537350615338 Wow! There's even a fleet of them flyin' saucer things out there! Chuck Norcutt Mike wrote: > As anyone in the PacNW who isn't totally blind has noticed we've had > some pretty spectacular sunrises/sunsets over the last few days. It > helps that the sun barely clears the trees at this time of year. My > attempts at capturing the colors fell short but this shot from another > forum I frequent was pretty good. Taken from Kenny Park. > > > > Mike > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 23:30:38 2008 Received: (qmail 11041 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 22:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 22:30:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC40043032E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C4F440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C6019F57A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:30:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DFB19F557 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:30:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:30:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d29.37c7750d (37033) for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB023-5c46493c4e8039c; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:30:27 -0500 Received: from MBLK-M39 (mblk-m39.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.83]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA014-5c46493c4e8039c; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:30:24 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:30:24 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.83) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:30:24 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB26D288012C89-1628-580@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Flash - was RE: *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 23:30:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c4e8e146462046811720 Hi Jeff!!! Hope things quiet down for you. I certainly noticed the absence of posts. I have used the T32 as off cam slave-triggered by yabe transmitter in auto mode. It seemed to work best as a "room filler" often with a diffuser at 45 deg. It always seemed weird to turn "up" the flash when the flash sensor is 1 stop closer. In manual in fixed output the flash obviously would need to be reduced in power. Perhaps it just seems counter-intuitive to me. When I had the OM hot shoe or stroboframe main flash in TTL, the main flash could quench too soon when the flashes overlapped too much. I thought the transmitter electronics would not be fast enough and there would be minor interaction. Some Nik flashes have a "delay" mode just for this purpose when used as a slave. The shutter speed needs to be at least one stop slower than synch. Not sure I've seen that elsewhere. Perhaps you or Dr. Flash will know. http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/05/for-few-dollars-more-nikon-sb-26.html Mike If you use a bounce grip it might be worthwhile to always keep whichever side you mount it on up even when you aren't using flash. I unfortunately found during a hectic important event that I fell back into a habit that worked fine without the flash but not so well with it. My only excuse is that I seldom use on camera flash. :^( Also I'm surprised no one mentioned using T32's off camera in Auto mode. It's been a couple years since I did it but I found it worked well except for the cheap remote slaves I was using and the need to carry a dozen extra charged AA batteries. I believe I just set a different f-stop to adjust the exposure of the flash. I could position three of them around a room. The hardest part was finding a position which would hide the flash and not give a hot spot on the nearest wall. The fact that when one of the remote flashes triggered it could trigger a flash hidden from the camera made the placement more flexible. -jeff -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 7 23:47:07 2008 Received: (qmail 2319 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 22:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 22:47:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCBC7430299 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FFB440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3776D19F642 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:47:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BF319F60B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:47:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.cfe.46790114 (37133) for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:46:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.149]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA027-5c68493c525c204; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:46:57 -0500 Received: from MBLK-M39 (mblk-m39.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.83]) by smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB026-5c68493c525c204; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:46:52 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:46:52 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.83) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:46:52 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB26D4D4D2E18B-1628-62D@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] 4T hot shoe hassle---advice sought X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 7 23:47:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c526b247411035110158 Hi, Seems my 4T hot shoe intermittently is a problem with failure to trigger the flash. This happened a few months ago with the T28 and a couple weeks ago with a Viv 283 with a remote cord. Both systems worked flawlessly on an OM-2. The 4T seemed OK after I lightly rubbed the central contact with an emory board. I may have wiped off the OM-2 contacts 3 years ago, but that has never happened with it or a 2N. Some of the 4T contacts are recessed and difficult to clean. Any suggestions? Perhaps they slightly changed the stainless steel used. John has mentioned the shoe tends to come loose, but that does not appear to be the case here. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 00:02:35 2008 Received: (qmail 1543 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 23:02:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 23:02:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0083E430746 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87702440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:02:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696C519F6DB for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:02:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F11E19F6D4 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:02:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:02:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 08 Dec 2008 10:02:21 +1100 Message-ID: <100-fc553c49-37476.001@unixos2.com> From: "Dr Who?" To: "OM List" Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:02:20 +1100 (EDT) Priority: Normal User-Agent: Earth TPortal 4 X-Mailer: Galafrey-loop v92.1 for Tardis18/5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Thankyou for contacting me. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 00:02:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c560a225851342116753 I am currently away traveling and will be returning yesterday. You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 00:21:53 2008 Received: (qmail 28692 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 23:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 23:21:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C9A43033C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:21:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B766440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED05D19F792 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:21:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D88D19F78F for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:21:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.66]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:21:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 70059 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2008 23:21:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vfYaAbwVM1mHyEaz87VopdZS..f6NHfzqUuatpEM53PDP3I5uR5h2hwsFWHTYAV5qbHdNNlW4xZ5ZwXZTlhlF0ImrO9YidAlS4XegrtvmK8u.Ts6FhBfuVhiwkEm9RoMImk44y6iMXO_GmdQ4frImEQqK1GI3RLpb3a5HruxhUvMqMAxSrdU0mH6hQ-- Received: from [71.251.162.142] by web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:21:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:21:47 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <100-fc553c49-37476.001@unixos2.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <830587.69415.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Thankyou for contacting me...another one! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 00:21:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c5a91128781702588592 Looks like we got another one! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 00:27:34 2008 Received: (qmail 30115 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 23:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 23:27:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A27430323 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:27:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60913440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:27:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512C119F7C0 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:27:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05F719F7B3 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:27:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.187]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so1212560mue.0 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.220.18 with SMTP id x18mr1007970muq.38.1228692446123; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:27:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:27:26 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <8CB26CF96604847-D3C-7F1@WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CB269FB26FF1F7-15B0-11EE@WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com> <8CB26CF96604847-D3C-7F1@WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d0514bb49b85fa0b Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 00:27:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c5be6166691234514069 > > And I know it would be worth it.? Bill Barber You betcha! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 00:29:04 2008 Received: (qmail 16155 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 23:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 23:29:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCAB743033C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF54440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF3B19F7C4 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:28:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8691719F7B3 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:28:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:28:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4691 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2008 23:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 23:28:55 -0000 Message-ID: <493C5C36.2070001@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:28:54 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB26D288012C89-1628-580@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB26D288012C89-1628-580@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Flash - was RE: *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 00:29:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c5c40297241234514069 Maybe I would if I could parse out the question. :-) Dr. Flash usher99@aol.com wrote: > Hi Jeff!!! > > Hope things quiet down for you. > > I certainly noticed the absence of posts. > > I have used the T32 as off cam slave-triggered by yabe transmitter in > auto mode. It seemed to work best as a "room filler" often with a > diffuser at 45 deg. It always seemed weird to turn "up" the flash when > the flash sensor is 1 stop closer. In manual in fixed output the flash > obviously > would need to be reduced in power. Perhaps it just seems > counter-intuitive to me. When I had the OM hot shoe or stroboframe > main flash > in TTL, the main flash could quench too soon when the flashes > overlapped too much. I thought the transmitter electronics would not > be fast enough and there would be minor interaction. Some Nik flashes > have a "delay" mode just for this purpose when used as a slave. The > shutter speed needs to be at least one stop slower than synch. Not > sure I've seen that elsewhere. > Perhaps you or Dr. Flash will know. > > > > http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/05/for-few-dollars-more-nikon-sb-26.html > > > Mike > > > > > > > > If you use a bounce grip it might be worthwhile to always keep whichever > side you mount it on up even when you aren't using flash. I > unfortunately > found during a hectic important event that I fell back into a habit that > worked fine without the flash but not so well with it. My only excuse is > that I seldom use on camera flash. :^( > > Also I'm surprised no one mentioned using T32's off camera in Auto mode. > It's been a couple years since I did it but I found it worked well > except > for the cheap remote slaves I was using and the need to carry a dozen > extra > charged AA batteries. I believe I just set a different f-stop to adjust > the > exposure of the flash. I could position three of them around a room. The > hardest part was finding a position which would hide the flash and not > give > a hot spot on the nearest wall. The fact that when one of the remote > flashes > triggered it could trigger a flash hidden from the camera made the > placement > more flexible. > > -jeff > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 00:30:51 2008 Received: (qmail 4230 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 23:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 23:30:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79A1430346 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D75440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE5019F7CA for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:30:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8362819F7C9 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:30:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14408 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2008 23:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.205.222) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 23:30:42 -0000 Message-ID: <493C5C9B.8090503@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:30:35 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> <493BE771.4000706@chucknorcutt.com> <100-eee73b49-38291.004@unixos2.com> In-Reply-To: <100-eee73b49-38291.004@unixos2.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Oops X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 00:30:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c5cab19571035110158 Dr Who? wrote: > My apologies to everyone, wrong key. > It was supposed to b flat? > 'God does not play dice with the universe.' -- Albert Einstein > In the context in which he said it, and the way in which he meant it, Albert appears to have been wrong. The common longing, especially, perhaps, in matters of spirit and religion, for simple certainties may be a powerful limitation in coming to be comfortable with the way the Universe works. Jung was perhaps wiser in that arena. When asked by a journalist near the end of his life if he thought mankind would survive (the cold war was raging), he said that depended on how many people developed the ability to hold two opposing truths in their minds at the same time. I suppose Einstein must not have much liked Jung and Pauli's joint work. Boy, I'll bet he would have hated Chaos Theory! The Time Lords have known all along. -- An Improbable Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 00:36:47 2008 Received: (qmail 8415 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 23:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 23:36:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD51B4302A5 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F622440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:36:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4268034AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:36:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87CD634AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:36:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f33so1132902fkf.14 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.168.5 with SMTP id v5mr1001041muo.77.1228692999463; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:36:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:36:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:36:39 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493C5C9B.8090503@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> <493BE771.4000706@chucknorcutt.com> <100-eee73b49-38291.004@unixos2.com> <493C5C9B.8090503@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 48f94f7159a8f454 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Oops X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 00:36:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c5e0f269321585427447 > > Boy, I'll bet he would have hated Chaos Theory! > All it takes is one glance inside my garage and the "Chaos Theory" is proven without a doubt. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 00:40:12 2008 Received: (qmail 1023 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 23:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 23:40:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FAC4302AC for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:40:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7923440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:40:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5C534AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:40:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E244F34AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:40:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:40:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 08 Dec 2008 10:40:03 +1100 Message-ID: <100-d25e3c49-37218.011@unixos2.com> From: "Dr Who?" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:40:02 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <830587.69415.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <100-fc553c49-37476.001@unixos2.com> <830587.69415.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: Earth TPortal 4 X-Mailer: Galafrey-loop v92.1 for Tardis18/5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Thankyou for contacting me...another one! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 00:40:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c5edc214942046811720 > Looks like we got another one! No, I took care of it yesterday. **** Everyone is entitled to my opinion. **** -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 00:49:23 2008 Received: (qmail 16186 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 23:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 23:49:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FEF4302F1 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:49:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CDA440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50CF34AC043 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:49:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0CC34AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:49:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23718 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2008 23:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.207.217) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 23:49:14 -0000 Message-ID: <493C60F7.9000402@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:49:11 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493B50FB.8030608@speakeasy.net> <493B5EE5.2070902@gmail.com> <8vpnj4tnfpscigrkv8h5q0clr3bpndtftp@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <8vpnj4tnfpscigrkv8h5q0clr3bpndtftp@4ax.com> Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 00:49:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c6103314481744846740 Frank van Lindert wrote: > Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:28:05 -0800, Moose wrote: > > >> ...... When I load a batch of images from the Fujis into the computer, I select all that need a right rotation and rotate them all at once, then do the ones that are the other way. Doesn't take long. >> > > Hi, Moose. Does that imply that when making a 'vertical' shot you sometimes hold the camera with the righthand end pointing upward, and at other times with the same end downward? > Yup > I have never thought about this, and now I start wondering how people do hold their camera when shooting. In my case all my verticals are always taken with right end facing upward. I wouldn't even be able to handle my camera (E-400) the other way around... > With (D)SLRs, a majority of my vertical shots are taken with right hand on top, like you, but a significant minority are the other way. Perhaps I am unusually flexible, as I apparently don't find it difficult or unnatural to turn the camera either way. I do both, and am generally simply unaware of which way I am doing it at the time. As a result, I've never understood the point of adding a big, heavy battery box to a camera to get a so called 'vertical grip'. Especially with the grip strap I have on the 5D, I don't like changing my grip on the camera. An unconscious part of the choice of rotation may simply be the direction in which I am leaning when looking for an angle. With the A650, use of the twist and tilt screen to move the camera away not only from my eye, but from directly in front of me leads to a different mix of the two sorts of verticals. It's really not an issue with the Canons, as they all come up correct on the computer. I'm really helter skelter with the F30. Fortunately, batch rotations are easy. I've been aware of my inconsistency for ages, as it affects setting up slides. And more so lately, where scanning film has left me wishing I were more consistent. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 00:56:03 2008 Received: (qmail 11108 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 23:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 23:56:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20965430353 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57865440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:55:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B52134AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:55:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94A834AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:55:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:55:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26400 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2008 23:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.1.95) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2008 23:55:56 -0000 Message-ID: <493C6288.6030308@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:55:52 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <546D797FF03A4CFCAA117AC38D416AEF@Breedbeeld> In-Reply-To: <546D797FF03A4CFCAA117AC38D416AEF@Breedbeeld> Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 00:56:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c629352371023412894 Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > .... In this type of shooting I hold the camera mainly with my right hand and with my left hand around the lens. I place my right hand so that I trigger the shutter with my thumb. The little finger and on the OM's even the ring finger fall around the bottom plate of the body. That sounded really awkward, but I just tried it on an OM, and it's fine. I don't believe I've ever done it before. Nor do I know if I ever will. > It gives you more possibilities to brace your right arm to your body to allow longer shutter speeds without motion blur. Makes some sense. > For me it really works fine. Come to think of it, I prefer this position of the camera probably also because > I always use my left eye to look through the viewfinder. > I never thought about that, either. I'm a right eyed viewer. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 01:06:31 2008 Received: (qmail 19805 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 00:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 00:06:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5A4430315 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23000440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:06:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1358419F829 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:06:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE3319F81E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:06:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so929030wfd.26 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.246.19 with SMTP id t19mr122533wfh.9.1228694784286; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.14.20 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:06:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0812071606r454376eyb436ab87807f7e33@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:06:24 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <546D797FF03A4CFCAA117AC38D416AEF@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <8vpnj4tnfpscigrkv8h5q0clr3bpndtftp@4ax.com> <546D797FF03A4CFCAA117AC38D416AEF@Breedbeeld> Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 01:06:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c650779151823421471 On 12/7/08, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > Hi Frank, > > Since you are wondering, I'll tell you. > > With the OM's and with the E-1 without the vertical grip I always shot > right hand side facing don. So I do Opposite to you. Wiliam, There is a photo I have seen of Maitani shooting an OM in vertical orientation, very much with the technique you describe that you use yourself. IIRC! I have only used that method in circumstances where I have needed to do so because I was using a tripod, shooting upwards, weird angle -- that sort of thing. Whatever it takes to get the shot, right? Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 01:06:35 2008 Received: (qmail 4876 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 00:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 00:06:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79494307D4 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32E8440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:06:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B472B19F82A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:06:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4FF19F81E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:06:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31325 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2008 00:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.196.231) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 00:06:29 -0000 Message-ID: <493C6501.3020206@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:06:25 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB26D4D4D2E18B-1628-62D@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB26D4D4D2E18B-1628-62D@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] 4T hot shoe hassle---advice sought X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 01:06:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c650b143694673671140 usher99@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > Seems my 4T hot shoe intermittently is a problem with failure to trigger the flash. This happened a few months ago with the T28 and a couple weeks ago with a Viv 283 with a remote cord. Both systems worked flawlessly on an OM-2. > The 4T seemed OK after I lightly rubbed the central contact with an emory board. > I wouldn't use anything as abrasive as that. A pencil eraser has always worked pretty well for me. If the contact looks nice and clean, the problem may be grease/oil and a Q-Tip with a bit of solvent works wonders. > I may have wiped off the OM-2 contacts 3 years ago, but that has never happened with it or a 2N. Some of the 4T contacts are recessed and difficult to clean. Any suggestions? Again, a soft eraser will easily form to get down in the recess and cotton/cloth with dab of solvent also will get down there. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 01:17:30 2008 Received: (qmail 23376 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 00:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 00:17:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69987430738 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3287A440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:17:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCAC19F840 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:17:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA9819F83B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:17:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so467458nfc.20 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.175.8 with SMTP id c8mr1002230mup.117.1228695442622; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:17:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:17:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:17:22 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0812071606r454376eyb436ab87807f7e33@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8vpnj4tnfpscigrkv8h5q0clr3bpndtftp@4ax.com> <546D797FF03A4CFCAA117AC38D416AEF@Breedbeeld> <9e908c1f0812071606r454376eyb436ab87807f7e33@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 138603608a97fece Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 01:17:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c679a27978512572685 Joel Wilcox wrote: > > I have only used that method in circumstances where I have needed to > do so because I was using a tripod, shooting upwards, weird angle -- > that sort of thing. Whatever it takes to get the shot, right? > Now this is interesting. I don't recall ever seeing the right-side down method used until I shot with you. Come to think of it, I was also living in ignorance calling Zuikos "Zookos" instead of "Zooeeekos". AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 02:04:08 2008 Received: (qmail 25778 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 01:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:04:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A87430332 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:04:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE47440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CBC19F8D4 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:04:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A1119F8CB for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:04:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:04:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.cac.454290ad (37528) for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.148]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB011-5c5f493c7279163; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:03:57 -0500 Received: from MBLK-M39 (mblk-m39.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.83]) by smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB015-5c5f493c7279163; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:03:53 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:03:53 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.83) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:03:53 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB26E7F8DF7824-1628-B76@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Flash - was RE: *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 02:04:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c7288175471823421471 Errr, a bit convoluted, eh. I would agree. So, the question is: does the yabe radioslave trigger induce enough delay when triggering a T32 in auto mode to prevent major interactions with an on camera flash in TTL mode? My impression is that there is some possibly important interaction when the sensed areas overlap, though this is based on a small # of observations. Should be a testable hypothesis. Would be interesting to have a slave flash with the delay mode. Mike Maybe I would if I could parse out the question. :-) Dr. Flash usher99@xxxxxxx wrote: > Hi Jeff!!! > > Hope things quiet down for you. > > I certainly noticed the absence of posts. > > I have used the T32 as off cam slave-triggered by yabe transmitter in > auto mode. It seemed to work best as a "room filler" often with a > diffuser at 45 deg. It always seemed weird to turn "up" the flash when > the flash sensor is 1 stop closer. In manual in fixed output the flash > obviously > would need to be reduced in power. Perhaps it just seems > counter-intuitive to me. When I had the OM hot shoe or stroboframe > main flash > in TTL, the main flash could quench too soon when the flashes > overlapped too much. I thought the transmitter electronics would not > be fast enough and there would be minor interaction. Some Nik flashes > have a "delay" mode just for this purpose when used as a slave. The > shutter speed needs to be at least one stop slower than synch. Not > sure I've seen that elsewhere. > Perhaps you or Dr. Flash will know. > > > > http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/05/for-few-dollars-more-nikon-sb-26.html > > > Mike > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 02:13:53 2008 Received: (qmail 4690 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 01:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:13:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E322430788 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:13:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D526440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE9419F8EB for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:13:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 3.267 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.267 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5E519F8E7 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:13:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:13:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26614 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2008 01:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.196.151) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 01:13:42 -0000 Message-ID: <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:13:39 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 02:13:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c74d1143471823421471 Mike wrote: > As anyone in the PacNW who isn't totally blind has noticed we've had some pretty spectacular sunrises/sunsets over the last few days. It helps that the sun barely clears the trees at this time of year. My attempts at capturing the colors fell short but this shot from another forum I frequent was pretty good. Taken from Kenny Park. > > > I'm not much for sunrises. This Moose almost always rises after the sun, usually well after. As it happens, I took some shots of a sunset in the Seattle area on this Thanksgiving eve. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 02:14:03 2008 Received: (qmail 29663 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 01:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:14:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A041430736 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6145440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:13:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D779319F8EB for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:13:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 3.267 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.267 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5864A19F8E7 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:13:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:13:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26721 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2008 01:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.196.151) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 01:13:58 -0000 Message-ID: <493C74D3.3040802@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:13:55 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 02:14:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c74db200265368819438 Mike wrote: > As anyone in the PacNW who isn't totally blind has noticed we've had some pretty spectacular sunrises/sunsets over the last few days. It helps that the sun barely clears the trees at this time of year. My attempts at capturing the colors fell short but this shot from another forum I frequent was pretty good. Taken from Kenny Park. > > > I'm not much for sunrises. This Moose almost always rises after the sun, usually well after. As it happens, I took some shots of a sunset in the Seattle area on this Thanksgiving eve. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 02:18:45 2008 Received: (qmail 3140 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 01:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:18:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A410B43034A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278D6440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D4719F8F0 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:18:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2401F19F8ED for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:18:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10557 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2008 01:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 01:18:34 -0000 Message-ID: <493C75EA.2020404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:18:34 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB26D4D4D2E18B-1628-62D@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> <493C6501.3020206@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493C6501.3020206@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] 4T hot shoe hassle---advice sought X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 02:18:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c75f56651342116753 I agree with Moose. No abrasives as there's not likely to be any corrosion there. What did you mean by a "remote cord" with the 283? Something attached to the hot shoe or to the PC socket? If the problem persists I'd try firing the flash via a PC cord plugged into the PC socket and see if the problem is there as well. It might help determine whether there's an internal electrical connection problem or just external on the hot shoe contacts. A question I don't know the answer to. What happens to flash function if (as happens with some 4Ts) there is a ground problem with the bottom plate and its attaching screws? Dr. Flash Moose wrote: > usher99@aol.com wrote: >> Hi, Seems my 4T hot shoe intermittently is a problem with failure >> to trigger the flash. This happened a few months ago with the T28 >> and a couple weeks ago with a Viv 283 with a remote cord. Both >> systems worked flawlessly on an OM-2. The 4T seemed OK after I >> lightly rubbed the central contact with an emory board. >> > I wouldn't use anything as abrasive as that. A pencil eraser has > always worked pretty well for me. If the contact looks nice and > clean, the problem may be grease/oil and a Q-Tip with a bit of > solvent works wonders. >> I may have wiped off the OM-2 contacts 3 years ago, but that has >> never happened with it or a 2N. Some of the 4T contacts are >> recessed and difficult to clean. Any suggestions? > Again, a soft eraser will easily form to get down in the recess and > cotton/cloth with dab of solvent also will get down there. > > Moose > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - > http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - > Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 02:21:51 2008 Received: (qmail 28698 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 01:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:21:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A623430729 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CED440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37A419F8F8 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:21:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7155D19F8F3 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:21:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so950894wfd.26 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.44.11 with SMTP id r11mr1219191wfr.46.1228699304948; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.14.20 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:21:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0812071721o69fb5373tfc820cdcd189ac19@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:21:44 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <8vpnj4tnfpscigrkv8h5q0clr3bpndtftp@4ax.com> <546D797FF03A4CFCAA117AC38D416AEF@Breedbeeld> <9e908c1f0812071606r454376eyb436ab87807f7e33@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 02:21:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c76af266931035110158 On 12/7/08, Ken Norton wrote: > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> >> I have only used that method in circumstances where I have needed to >> do so because I was using a tripod, shooting upwards, weird angle -- >> that sort of thing. Whatever it takes to get the shot, right? >> > > > Now this is interesting. I don't recall ever seeing the right-side down > method used until I shot with you. > > Come to think of it, I was also living in ignorance calling Zuikos "Zookos" > instead of "Zooeeekos". > > AG Who knew you were watching? At least you and I are right-eyed, unlike many of our friends here. Some people think religion and politics invite controversy ... One of my first posts back in the previous millenium was right after I had bought a used OM-2S. I didn't have a manual for it and I noticed that the wind-on lever was a little different and snapped home to the body more readily than did the lever on my OM-1. Since I'd had some experience with N*kons where the click of the wind-on lever turns the meter on and off, I mentioned that and heard quite a few interesting remarks about N*kons and lefties -- much of it repeated when the OM-2000 came out. Oops, now I guess I've brought it up again! If we'd only used the same quick release plates... Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 02:28:50 2008 Received: (qmail 1995 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 01:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:28:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B44043033B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:28:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28253440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AFD434AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:28:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2505434AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:28:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so1259468mue.0 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.244.19 with SMTP id w19mr1017935mur.134.1228699721806; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:28:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:28:41 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <8CB26E7F8DF7824-1628-B76@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CB26E7F8DF7824-1628-B76@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f63a78286182bcb2 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flash - was RE: *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 02:28:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c7852233671993019900 > > Errr, a bit convoluted, eh. I would agree. So, the question is: does > the yabe radioslave trigger induce enough delay when triggering a T32 > in auto mode to prevent major interactions with an on camera flash in > TTL mode? My impression is that there is some possibly important > interaction when the sensed areas overlap, though this is based on a > small # of observations. Should be a testable hypothesis. Would be > interesting to have a slave flash with the delay mode. > The Ebay triggers are too fast to use in a delayed mode. I recall seeing an flash-delay device which can be used to add an adjustable delay to a flash. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 02:32:10 2008 Received: (qmail 15411 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 01:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:32:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24744430320 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5893F440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:32:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D3534AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:32:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DCA34AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:32:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:32:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16535 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2008 01:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 01:32:02 -0000 Message-ID: <493C7912.9010201@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:32:02 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB26E7F8DF7824-1628-B76@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB26E7F8DF7824-1628-B76@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Flash - was RE: *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 02:32:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c791a230597927319144 I don't know the answer but I can add a small data point. I discovered last year that the 5D will not sync at its maximum of 1/200 sec. when using a yabe radio slave trigger. It has to be slowed down to 1/160 sec else one of the shutter curtains casts a small bit of shadow along one edge of the frame. Now the difference there is 0.00125 seconds. Doesn't sound like much but it's still 7-1/2% of an OM's 1/60 sec. shutter speed. Who knows. Test it by firing the remote T32 with a radio slave and also with a wire in the PC connector with the other T32 in the hot shoe. Actually, I should be careful with the can't sync at max statement since that was with Alien Bees. Studio flashes may behave differently with respect to sync speed than portable flash units. Dr. Flash usher99@aol.com wrote: > Errr, a bit convoluted, eh. I would agree. So, the question is: does > the yabe radioslave trigger induce enough delay when triggering a T32 > in auto mode to prevent major interactions with an on camera flash in > TTL mode? My impression is that there is some possibly important > interaction when the sensed areas overlap, though this is based on a > small # of observations. Should be a testable hypothesis. Would be > interesting to have a slave flash with the delay mode. > Mike > > > > > > > > > Maybe I would if I could parse out the question. :-) > > Dr. Flash > > > usher99@xxxxxxx wrote: >> Hi Jeff!!! >> >> Hope things quiet down for you. >> >> I certainly noticed the absence of posts. >> >> I have used the T32 as off cam slave-triggered by yabe transmitter > in >> auto mode. It seemed to work best as a "room filler" often with a >> diffuser at 45 deg. It always seemed weird to turn "up" the flash > when >> the flash sensor is 1 stop closer. In manual in fixed output the > flash >> obviously >> would need to be reduced in power. Perhaps it just seems >> counter-intuitive to me. When I had the OM hot shoe or stroboframe >> main flash >> in TTL, the main flash could quench too soon when the flashes >> overlapped too much. I thought the transmitter electronics would not >> be fast enough and there would be minor interaction. Some Nik > flashes >> have a "delay" mode just for this purpose when used as a slave. The >> shutter speed needs to be at least one stop slower than synch. Not >> sure I've seen that elsewhere. >> Perhaps you or Dr. Flash will know. >> >> >> >> > http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/05/for-few-dollars-more-nikon-sb-26.html >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 02:34:00 2008 Received: (qmail 1761 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 01:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:34:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A3243033D for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914FB440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8539834AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:33:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.057 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.057 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756E134AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:33:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17172 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2008 01:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 01:33:53 -0000 Message-ID: <493C7981.9050107@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:33:53 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 02:34:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c7988273591234514069 Ummm... vivid! Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Mike wrote: >> As anyone in the PacNW who isn't totally blind has noticed we've had some pretty spectacular sunrises/sunsets over the last few days. It helps that the sun barely clears the trees at this time of year. My attempts at capturing the colors fell short but this shot from another forum I frequent was pretty good. Taken from Kenny Park. >> >> >> > > I'm not much for sunrises. This Moose almost always rises after the sun, > usually well after. > > As it happens, I took some shots of a sunset in the Seattle area on this > Thanksgiving eve. > > > Moose > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 02:34:30 2008 Received: (qmail 19580 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 01:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:34:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94A7430734 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32A9440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D3934AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:34:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D7334AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:34:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.187]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so1261704mue.0 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.11.7 with SMTP id o7mr1021744mui.103.1228700061856; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:34:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:34:21 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0812071721o69fb5373tfc820cdcd189ac19@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8vpnj4tnfpscigrkv8h5q0clr3bpndtftp@4ax.com> <546D797FF03A4CFCAA117AC38D416AEF@Breedbeeld> <9e908c1f0812071606r454376eyb436ab87807f7e33@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0812071721o69fb5373tfc820cdcd189ac19@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1623f15ba6a40c56 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 02:34:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c79a666882336821329 > > If we'd only used the same quick release plates... Just remember all the extra exercise you got that day. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 02:39:40 2008 Received: (qmail 4221 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 01:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:39:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570C943034A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:39:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41232440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:39:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3250A19F93E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:39:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453F019F933 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:39:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:39:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19990 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2008 01:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 01:39:33 -0000 Message-ID: <493C7AD4.1060908@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:39:32 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB26E7F8DF7824-1628-B76@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Flash - was RE: *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 02:39:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c7adc260071946193717 "Because most digital cameras have a series of rapid pre-flashes before actually taking the shot, this flash is programed to only fire 200 milliseconds after the initial burst, making it compatible with most digital camera models." Dr. Flash Ken Norton wrote: >> Errr, a bit convoluted, eh. I would agree. So, the question is: does >> the yabe radioslave trigger induce enough delay when triggering a T32 >> in auto mode to prevent major interactions with an on camera flash in >> TTL mode? My impression is that there is some possibly important >> interaction when the sensed areas overlap, though this is based on a >> small # of observations. Should be a testable hypothesis. Would be >> interesting to have a slave flash with the delay mode. >> > > > The Ebay triggers are too fast to use in a delayed mode. I recall seeing an > flash-delay device which can be used to add an adjustable delay to a flash. > > AG > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 02:42:50 2008 Received: (qmail 8446 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 01:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:42:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A107430320 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39604440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DBC34AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:42:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD2134AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:42:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:42:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.cd5.42a24e6e (34994) for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB017-5bb9493c7b8bd0; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:42:36 -0500 Received: from MBLK-M39 (mblk-m39.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.83]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA028-5bb9493c7b8bd0; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:42:35 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:42:35 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.83) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:42:35 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB26ED613D5896-1628-D12@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 02:42:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c7b9a280121499373980 Not sure that I ever get the pronunciation quite right. I remembered the post below and found it. Mike >> Mark Dapoz wrote: >>> Way back when we had this discussion the first time (Jan 2002?), one >>> of the Japanese list members made recodings of his wife pronouncing several >>> common "Olympus" words, one of which was Zuiko. You can find the recoding >>> here: >>> >>> http://olympus.dementia.org/sounds/zuiko.wav Come to think of it, I was also living in ignorance calling Zuikos "Zookos" instead of "Zooeeekos". AG -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 02:44:58 2008 Received: (qmail 21034 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 01:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:44:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5693430335 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:44:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E867440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F94819F948 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:44:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D1119F956 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:44:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.116] (116.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.116]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480C33DA1BD for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:44:42 +1300 (NZDT) From: bj@caverock.net.nz To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:44:42 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <493D32DA.28010.17C94C5@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081206-0, 06/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] On free film. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 02:44:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c7c1a319971234514069 Dr DOF responded to my short discourse on lenses on the E1. At http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=949&l=96aa7&id=1027725807 the shots of Lupins, mint, lavender and chives were taken with my E1 - Zuiko 100/2 combination. Sometime soon I will upload some flower shots taken using the ZD Super 14-54. Brian Message: 27 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:15:18 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt Subject: Re: [OM] On free film. To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <493ADD56.4000507@chucknorcutt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed You can achieve the same DOF with the 100/2 as the 50/3.5 if you either 1) close down the 100/2 by four stops at the same distance 2) double the shooting distance at the same f stop examples: 1) you're shooting from 25 cm at f/4 with the 50mm. You can switch to the 100mm from the same distance if you close down to f/16. 2) you're shooting from the same 25 cm at f/4 with the 50mm. You can use the 100mm at f/4 if you move out to 50cm. Dr. DOF bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > The Zuiko 100/2 is a favourite of mine on the E1, especially when I want a > shallow DOF - then it sometimes is too shallow, so I switch to the 50/3.5 > macro (both for close-up / still life work).. > > However, as I use it more, I really like the ZD 14-54 that I bought from Bob > Whitmire a few weeks back. It focuses quite close and is pretty sharp. > I use it on both landscapes and flower portraits to excellent effect. > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 02:54:07 2008 Received: (qmail 26529 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 01:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:54:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC229430734 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C7A440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4619734AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:54:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5517B34AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:54:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:54:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25150 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2008 01:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 01:54:01 -0000 Message-ID: <493C7E39.2030607@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:54:01 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493D32DA.28010.17C94C5@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <493D32DA.28010.17C94C5@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] On free film. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 02:54:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c7e3f132677927319144 I like them all but the mint and chives are my favorites. The water lily shot would benefit by cropping off the distracting, non-level, small bit of table top at the bottom. Chuck Norcutt bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > Dr DOF responded to my short discourse on lenses on the E1. > > At > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=949&l=96aa7&id=1027725807 > > the shots of Lupins, mint, lavender and chives were taken with my E1 - > Zuiko 100/2 combination. > > Sometime soon I will upload some flower shots taken using the ZD Super > 14-54. > > Brian > > Message: 27 > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:15:18 -0500 > From: Chuck Norcutt > Subject: Re: [OM] On free film. > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Message-ID: <493ADD56.4000507@chucknorcutt.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > You can achieve the same DOF with the 100/2 as the 50/3.5 if you either > 1) close down the 100/2 by four stops at the same distance > 2) double the shooting distance at the same f stop > > examples: > 1) you're shooting from 25 cm at f/4 with the 50mm. You can switch to > the 100mm from the same distance if you close down to f/16. > 2) you're shooting from the same 25 cm at f/4 with the 50mm. You can > use the 100mm at f/4 if you move out to 50cm. > > Dr. DOF > > > bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: >> The Zuiko 100/2 is a favourite of mine on the E1, especially when I want a >> shallow DOF - then it sometimes is too shallow, so I switch to the 50/3.5 >> macro (both for close-up / still life work).. >> >> However, as I use it more, I really like the ZD 14-54 that I bought from Bob >> Whitmire a few weeks back. It focuses quite close and is pretty sharp. >> I use it on both landscapes and flower portraits to excellent effect. >> >> Brian Swale. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 03:01:52 2008 Received: (qmail 13254 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 02:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 02:01:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F147E430337 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E507440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719AD34AC043 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:01:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CB834AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:01:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c5c.3f9410d6 (34898) for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA017-5c46493c7ffbf7; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:01:41 -0500 Received: from MBLK-M39 (mblk-m39.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.83]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA014-5c46493c7ffbf7; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:01:31 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:01:31 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.83) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:01:31 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB26F006704092-1628-E0F@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] 4T hot shoe hassle---advice sought X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 03:01:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c8010223971234514069 Thanks Moose, De-greased with ethyl acetate on Q-tip, erased and now seems ship shape. I think I'll do this prior to any trip or flash session now that I've been burnt. Appreciate the suggestions. Mike > Hi, > Seems my 4T hot shoe intermittently is a problem with failure to trigger the > flash. This happened a few months ago with the T28 and a couple weeks ago > with a Viv 283 with a remote cord. Both systems worked flawlessly on an OM-2. > The 4T seemed OK after I lightly rubbed the central contact with an emory > board. > I wouldn't use anything as abrasive as that. A pencil eraser has always worked pretty well for me. If the contact looks nice and clean, the problem may be grease/oil and a Q-Tip with a bit of solvent works wonders. > I may have wiped off the OM-2 contacts 3 years ago, but that has never > happened with it or a 2N. Some of the 4T contacts are recessed and difficult > to clean. Any suggestions? Again, a soft eraser will easily form to get down in the recess and cotton/cloth with dab of solvent also will get down there. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 04:17:37 2008 Received: (qmail 27976 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 03:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 03:17:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBB44307F5 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:17:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BF1440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9236219FA85 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:17:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E353A19FA74 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:17:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c21.3d11a0e6 (34990) for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB013-5c57493c91bf2d8; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:17:22 -0500 Received: from MBLK-M39 (mblk-m39.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.83]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA035-5c57493c91bf2d8; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:17:19 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:17:19 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.83) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:17:19 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB26FA9CDD189D-1628-10E3@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Flash - was RE: *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 04:17:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493c91d0128431823421471 The preflash issue with TTL modes in digital cams is a separate but equal issue. The "delay" mode in the SB26 was designed to prevent interactions when used as a slave with main flashes that had no pre-flash. The SB26 will fire twice when used on can/nik with main flash in TTL mode due to the pre-flash whether in delay or regular mode. Perhaps a smart enough slave trigger exists to deal with both issues though Dr. Flash's recommended experiment would be interesting to see whether the yabe slaves do indeed induce a delay long enough to prevent substantial interactions. Mike "Because most digital cameras have a series of rapid pre-flashes before actually taking the shot, this flash is programed to only fire 200 milliseconds after the initial burst, making it compatible with most digital camera models." Dr. Flash Ken Norton wrote: >> Errr, a bit convoluted, eh. I would agree. So, the question is: does >> the yabe radioslave trigger induce enough delay when triggering a T32 >> in auto mode to prevent major interactions with an on camera flash in >> TTL mode? My impression is that there is some possibly important >> interaction when the sensed areas overlap, though this is based on a >> small # of observations. Should be a testable hypothesis. Would be >> interesting to have a slave flash with the delay mode. >> > > > The Ebay triggers are too fast to use in a delayed mode. I recall seeing an > flash-delay device which can be used to add an adjustable delay to a flash. > > AG > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 05:03:09 2008 Received: (qmail 26081 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 04:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 04:03:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACA1430742 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CD7440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4851234AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:03:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970D134AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:03:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (Low) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (155.140.122.252 whitelisted by list.dnswl.org 2.2) Received: from lonmail6.bnpparibas.com (lonmail6.bnpparibas.com [155.140.122.252]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:03:03 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,733,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="287263315" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1494061878==" From: jason.gidden@uk.bnpparibas.com To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:02:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Jason Gidden/SYSTEMS/LONDON/BFI/BNP is out of the office. 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The flood was twice as bad as the first time I went through this in 1993, but I was more prepared for it this go-round. We moved back in our home the first of August. All of my immediate neighbors but one are still rebuilding. My mother may get back in her condo by the middle of this month. I feel tired, but I also feel lucky. Anyway, photography. Haven't done much. I took some photos for insurance purposes but let others less emotionally entwined do the flood stories and photo documentaries. I've lived somewhat vicariously through a friend, work colleague, and motorcycle buddy who picked up an E-500 and kit lenses at a good price a while ago. I had been out shooting with him a bit over the past years, but shooting with another person involves a subtle sort of negotiation which we haven't quite mastered. I think he looks to me to provide prospects which will improve the discovery aspect of his photography and I look to him for serendipity. I suppose we both want to invade and conquer each other's creative consciousness. All that aside, it's been fun and a diversion to watch him develop and enjoy the craft of the camera, and to see the outcome especially as he documents the development of his beautiful family. The one bit of photography I have done has also been family related. My daughter has entered a somewhat competitive phase in gymnastics, and so I've been turning up at her meets as the "dad with the big honking camera." It's allowed me to explore the capabilities of my cameras to follow focus, fuss with WB, and generally refine the argument between creative planning and throwing a lot of exposures at the problem of a moving subject. That argument is not yet resolved, but this is kind of how it has gone for me: Creative planning -- After much observation and repetition, you develop the ability to anticipate the kinds of things you'd like to catch, knowing that the opportunity will probably be repeated. Case in point, here's one of my favorite images: http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3010832127/in/photostream/ Throwing lots of exposures at it -- This is easy but not as productive as I thought. I found a lot of difference between my cameras (E-1 and E-330) on this point. In Rachel's earlier meets, I used the 330 exclusively, trading off between AF and MF. After a certain amount of success and frustration with both methods of focusing, I brought out my E-1, which I much prefer for manual focus because of the viewfinder. In the end, I was chagrined to discover that despite its shortcomings, the camera's AF, especially on the 330, is largely superior to my ability to focus manually at speed, try as I may. White balance is another issue I had not worried much about before either, largely because I have mainly shot in RAW mode and just left the camera on Auto WB, changing it if I want to in PP. I prefer to shoot jpgs when I'm shooting multiple frames per second, so I have to settle on some kind of compromised WB in the various lighting situations inside gymnasia of all different sorts. I should have brought along the apparatus to do a custom white balance, but never did. I did something close by shooting a predominantly white scoreboard at various WB settings and using the best-looking one as my custom setting for that gym. Worked OK. In the course of all this fussing about WB and focusing, and anticipating my family's biennial trip to Hawaii for the holidays among my wife's klan, I decided to make the move to the E-3. In general, I really like the camera and it basically overcomes aspects of the E-1 and E-330 which fall a little bit short in certain situations. Mainly, it marries the virtues of both cameras together for me and adds several more. (Someone will say Yeah, it weighs the same as both cameras together!) Follow focus, particularly with my old DZ 50-200 is faster and more accurate. However, though there are 11 focus points available, I can't really use them all. I think I have found just setting the focus up like an E-1 or E-330 is best. For the most part, I just try to keep the subject inside the circle and let the camera do its magic. Anyone have a better suggestion? This post is going on forever, but I'll end with just a couple more comments on the E-3, a subject which is probably ancient history by now. Being a somewhat inveterate E-330 user by this time, I like the way Live View lives on in the E-3. The availability of the histogram in LV takes me back to the wonderful C-8080 and a feature that I have always felt was the most clever thing about that camera. With the live histogram and AE lock button, you can largely get perfect exposures every time with the C-8080's electronic viewfinder, which for all intents and purposes is the precursor of LV. On the E-3, the AEL button has a different purpose in LV, but my hunch is that LV in manual mode with live histogram will be just about as good. Anyone doing exposure this way? In my experience with the 330 and DZ 50-200, LV is required to get precise focus at the far end of the lens, so even in landscape work I have tended to use it a lot, and I expect to do the same with the E-3. The live histogram will be a great asset, I hope. Best regards, Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 05:24:52 2008 Received: (qmail 3428 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 04:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 04:24:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D06C43078D for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929FA440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:24:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8286419FB96 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:24:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.057 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.057 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84DA619FB94 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:24:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oUE81a0010FhH24A3UQjD3; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:24:43 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oUQj1a0052Axmu48UUQj7C; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:24:43 +0000 Message-ID: <4D350841AFD14FCE8CD188CCFB5FBC9B@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:24:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 05:24:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ca194282441585427447 Here is one I shot last night while leaning over the kitchen sink and holding the A650 out the kitchen window. I know the composition is not the best, but it is all I had to work with. LOL Next will give another shot at a slightly later time. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets > Mike wrote: >> As anyone in the PacNW who isn't totally blind has noticed we've had some >> pretty spectacular sunrises/sunsets over the last few days. It helps that >> the sun barely clears the trees at this time of year. My attempts at >> capturing the colors fell short but this shot from another forum I >> frequent was pretty good. Taken from Kenny Park. >> >> >> > > I'm not much for sunrises. This Moose almost always rises after the sun, > usually well after. > > As it happens, I took some shots of a sunset in the Seattle area on this > Thanksgiving eve. > > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 05:41:20 2008 Received: (qmail 11036 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 04:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 04:41:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A587A4307EC for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E6B440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:41:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D053934AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:41:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0156E34AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:41:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:41:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so561837ugf.21 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:41:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.197.4 with SMTP id z4mr1066933mup.105.1228711273703; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:41:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:41:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:41:13 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0812072014l77acb166s18986b9dfde1c119@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0812072014l77acb166s18986b9dfde1c119@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 77c42f9ea0f83e75 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Rip Van Winkle shows up with an E-3 (long) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 05:41:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ca570116691023412894 Joel, in case you didn't yourself, I do have a picture of your house with the water up by the front entry. What's that? 10 feet of standing water? Your remodeling work looks very good. You realize, don't you, that my wife is now quite upset with you. She was hoping that I wouldn't get an E-3, but now that you've got one I've got to keep up with the Joels. You're a bad influence. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 06:03:58 2008 Received: (qmail 19064 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 05:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 05:03:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205F24307F7 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBD9440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:03:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDD134AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:03:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428C134AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:03:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:03:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32453 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2008 05:03:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.0.92) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 05:03:50 -0000 Message-ID: <493CAAB2.8030700@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:03:46 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> <4D350841AFD14FCE8CD188CCFB5FBC9B@PaulPC> In-Reply-To: <4D350841AFD14FCE8CD188CCFB5FBC9B@PaulPC> Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 06:03:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493caabe49123675314703 Paul Laughlin wrote: > Here is one I shot last night while leaning over the kitchen sink and holding the A650 out the kitchen window. I know the composition is not the best, but it is all I had to work with. Hard to tell, as it is quite opaque. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 06:13:42 2008 Received: (qmail 8364 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 05:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 05:13:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B896430730 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C263440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:13:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0509B34AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:13:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4751234AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:13:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:13:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so714618fga.36 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:13:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.93.18 with SMTP id v18mr1068654mul.111.1228713215876; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:13:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:13:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:13:35 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493CAAB2.8030700@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> <4D350841AFD14FCE8CD188CCFB5FBC9B@PaulPC> <493CAAB2.8030700@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 86eeb21b4ec2958e Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 06:13:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cad06258191073733319 > > Hard to tell, as it is quite opaque. > I was hoping to see the "Moosified" version. I'm disappointed, Moose. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 06:29:35 2008 Received: (qmail 25861 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 05:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 05:29:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254FA43076E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:29:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3C3440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9164D34AC043 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:29:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB96634AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:29:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9284 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2008 05:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.0.92) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 05:29:26 -0000 Message-ID: <493CB0B2.5050807@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:29:22 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493B57F6.2@gmail.com> <493BE6BF.6070005@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <493BE6BF.6070005@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] One Roll, One Lens, One Hour X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 06:29:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cb0bf300298512572685 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Well, maybe it's not crappy scanning. Looks to me like "expose to the right". No, there are lots of completely blown highlights. Given that this was color neg film, there was almost certainly more highlight detail on the film. Just the same thing processors have been doing to highlights for decades in automated printing machines. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 06:39:10 2008 Received: (qmail 30159 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 05:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 05:39:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474E143034A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9943B440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3AA34AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:39:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDC334AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:39:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14276 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2008 05:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.0.92) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 05:38:43 -0000 Message-ID: <493CB2DE.90606@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:38:38 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> <493C7981.9050107@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <493C7981.9050107@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 06:39:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cb2fe39431993019900 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Ummm... vivid! > So hard to know, especially with something as vivid and evanescent as a sunset. Certainly, looking through the viewfinder on the teleshots, the sense was of drowning in color. Straight out of ACR, with no adjustment beyond slight exposure and blacks, they were duller than the final versions and duller than my memory of the original. But what's true to what? There's no way to calibrate the color. Am I even trying to get the color 'correct' in some scientific way? Or am I trying to recreate the experience of standing on a deck with friends being knocked out by a whole horizon of spectacular color? Carol walked in while I was working on one. I showed her before and after. She was immediately clear that the adjusted version was much closer to her remembered experience of the sunset. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 06:50:35 2008 Received: (qmail 13940 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 05:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 05:50:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11744307EC for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:50:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87FA440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:50:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BFE34AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:50:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0522634AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:50:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21070 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2008 05:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.198.129) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 05:50:26 -0000 Message-ID: <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:50:11 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 06:50:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cb5ab63091035110158 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > It's been many years since I've actually used a T32 on-camera. When I did I alwyas used it with an OM-2Sp and in TTL mode or my OM-1 in auto mode (I didn't know any different back then). What's to know? I got many prized snaps of family events, etc. with OM-2n and T32 in Auto TTL mode. A very fine combo that spoiled me. I didn't even know I was spoiled until I tried other things. > .... > > I've grown attached to my Canyon 540EZ for that sort of usage because it has a built-in distance calculator bar graph when in manual mode which does all the guide number calculations. The flash communicates with the camera and knows the ISO setting and the focal length and shooting aperture of the lens in use. If allowed to do so it will also zoom the flash head to suit the lens. When it does all of this it also displays the f/stop in use and a distance scale. Above the distance scale it puts a marker over the distance that should be used at that focal > length, aperture and ISO. You can either position yourself at that distance or choose to change the zoom head by changing focal length or change ISO or aperture to get the right exposure. > All true, all lovely, and really, really useful for straight ahead, on-camera use. But ... it's all out the window for bounce or off camera use. > So, this morning I decided to see what assistance the T32 offers for > manual guide number calculations. After looking at the calculator panel > I realized that I wasn't 100% sure about how the distance scale was to > be used in manual mode. I think it may have been the first time that > I've ever completely read the T32 manual. > > As it turns out ... I pondered this for a second until it finally dawned on me that the solution is to simply lie about the ISO level. I lied to my XA flash all the time. 200 speed film with the flash set to 400 avoids blown out faces inside at night. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 06:51:27 2008 Received: (qmail 19606 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 05:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 05:51:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1844307A8 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FF2440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9BD34AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:51:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4C134AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:51:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:51:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21833 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2008 05:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.198.129) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 05:51:21 -0000 Message-ID: <493CB5D4.9010802@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:51:16 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> <4D350841AFD14FCE8CD188CCFB5FBC9B@PaulPC> <493CAAB2.8030700@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 06:51:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cb5df317641585427447 Ken Norton wrote: >> Hard to tell, as it is quite opaque. > > I was hoping to see the "Moosified" version. I'm disappointed, Moose. :) > You didn't see the link in my post? Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 07:03:00 2008 Received: (qmail 876 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 06:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 06:02:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED4343077C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:02:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF47C440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:02:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70151CD483 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:02:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451FE1CD482 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:02:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:02:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28291 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2008 06:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.198.129) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 06:02:42 -0000 Message-ID: <493CB87D.5040004@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:02:37 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20081205112931.qxmvbdmr4ssskcs4@horde.webofnilsson.com> <49391E2F.6000402@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205134407.evv6lpbm0co488kk@horde.webofnilsson.com> <493935E5.3090201@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205153445.xtvkpyhq0w84g0gs@horde.webofnilsson.com> <493B4E9D.7010404@gmail.com> <493BE1CC.2050302@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <493BE1CC.2050302@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual flash, was: Radio receivers compatible with FL-36R/FL-50R? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 07:03:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cb89491018512572685 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Your comment about the apparently orphaned Sunpak Auto26SR got me to thinking about how to make effective use of it and also a T32. All the following sounds true and clever, but I'm just not that interested in using flash. I only use it when I really have no choice, and that usually turns out to be a built-in flash on a digicam. When I really need it with the 5D (once, so far), I do my thinking, testing and planning ahead. But doing experiments now won't stick anything useful in my head for later use. And I can't have more than a very few $ in the SunPak, which came with some other stuff in a group buy. > ... > Note to Moose: If you pull the 540EZ's wide diffuser panel out and leave it sticking straight out of the case instead of bringing it down over the flash head, when the flash head is directed toward the ceiling for bounce the diffuser panel will also reflect some light forward for fill. > Oddly enough, I actually knew that, although I haven't done it. I did read up on it and try it out before use. That flash is really a first rate, well designed and thought out piece of equipment > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 07:15:04 2008 Received: (qmail 30689 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 06:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 06:15:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224A3430741 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7578440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:14:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC971CD483 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:14:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E9E1CD482 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:14:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:14:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1106 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2008 06:14:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.160.8) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 06:14:55 -0000 Message-ID: <493CBB5A.60704@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:14:50 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4935AF36.90207@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4935AF36.90207@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 07:15:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cbb68301811035110158 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Yes, much, much better. Maybe the problem was that specific background. > I've never noticed poor bokeh from my 85/2 but it's an older silver > nose. These are done with my 85/2 > > Actually, the bokeh in 1_37_500is pretty ugly. And the bricks in 2_18_500 aren't great. It seems to me that bokeh for any given lens varies with the combination of f-stop, subject distance and background distance. For example, the 50/3.5, used at close-up/marco distances with distant background, has really terrible bokeh. Used as a normal 50mm lens, it's not bad. I might have tried a Moosification, but the images are full of small artifacts. I don't know if it's too much JPEG compression, poor downsizing or what, but it's pretty noticeable. I've pulled some of my older gallery images, and plan to do more, as my skills have improved and I find the earlier work not up to snuff. 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(moose@71.139.162.30) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 06:22:56 -0000 Message-ID: <493CBD3B.4070808@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:22:51 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com><493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com> <03688210571646668BE3EE92EBAF51AE@jimnichols> <49374FE0.3010506@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49374FE0.3010506@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 07:23:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cbd78247391869477228 Jim Nichols wrote: >> I would agree with you. My little 6.3mp Fujifilm F10 has produced some images that just blew me away. After several years of having C41 film processed to CD by a department store lab, I was amazed at the resolution >> that the little camera provided. >> Hardly a fair comparison. Nothing against the F10, I liked mine so much I went to an F30 and Carol is still using the F10. On the other hand, if you shot it with the EV setting wrong and a softening filter, then mis-set contrast in an editor, that would be closer to what was being done to your film shots. The difference between a minilab CD of scanned film images and proper scans is just enormous. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 07:30:43 2008 Received: (qmail 17657 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 06:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 06:30:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09B14307FD for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:30:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3514D440023 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DD534AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:30:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD7034AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:30:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.26] (26.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.26]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D4F3DA071 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:30:26 +1300 (NZDT) From: bj@caverock.net.nz To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:30:25 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <493D75D1.10943.2822A97@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081206-0, 06/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] On free film. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 07:30:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cbf13308017350615338 Hi all Regarding my last previous message about the shots of Lupins, mint, lavender and chives taken with my E1 - Zuiko 100/2 combination, I should have added (and do now) that very often the 100/2 enables me to have the tight composition I favour, and at the same time excluding busy / annoying background detail. Unless I stop down a lot and they the background can intrude again. It's frequently a real case of compromise / trade-off. But the ZD Super 14-54 comes close, and has other advantages provided one remembers to do a white balance for the non-sunny conditions that favour good flower shots. Cheers Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 07:40:22 2008 Received: (qmail 12684 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 06:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 06:40:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B2F430748 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:40:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436FE440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330AA1CD482 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:40:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4691CD481 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:40:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:40:16 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB86eCE2012040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:40:14 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com><493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com> <03688210571646668BE3EE92EBAF51AE@jimnichols><49374FE0.3010506@chucknorcutt.com> <493CBD3B.4070808@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:40:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 07:40:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cc156160631234514069 Hi, Moose, I finally did get an old scanner, a Dimage Scan Dual II, and, even with that I could get better scans from my negatives than the Wal-Mart CDs provided. However, the little F10 is impressive. The image that I made reference to is in a gallery that is still being treated as spam by my new email handler. I will see if I can send a link somehow. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... > Jim Nichols wrote: >>> I would agree with you. My little 6.3mp Fujifilm F10 has produced some >>> images that just blew me away. After several years of having C41 film >>> processed to CD by a department store lab, I was amazed at the >>> resolution >>> that the little camera provided. >>> > Hardly a fair comparison. Nothing against the F10, I liked mine so much > I went to an F30 and Carol is still using the F10. On the other hand, if > you shot it with the EV setting wrong and a softening filter, then > mis-set contrast in an editor, that would be closer to what was being > done to your film shots. > > The difference between a minilab CD of scanned film images and proper > scans is just enormous. > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 07:51:00 2008 Received: (qmail 24668 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 06:50:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 06:50:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8765D4307F6 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E913440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:50:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EEC1CD483 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:50:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A497C1CD482 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:50:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail103c26.carrierzone.com (mail103c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.113]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:50:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail103c26.carrierzone.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail103c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB86og6x000401 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:50:43 GMT Received: (from webmail@localhost) by mail103c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.12.2/Submit) id mB86oghG000400 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:50:42 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:50:42 GMT Received: from 69.196.214.117 ([69.196.214.117]) by webmail.lighttube.net (Webmail 4.0 V.V.I.) with HTTP for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:50:42 -0500 Message-ID: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net> From: jhnichols@lighttube.net To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Webmail 4.0 Subject: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 07:51:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cc3d4322378512572685 Moose, I have to use webmail to convey to my gallery image links. Take a look at this one, from the F10, which really impressed me. No scientific analysis, just the visual impression. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Functional+Beauty.jpg.html Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 07:56:42 2008 Received: (qmail 23924 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 06:56:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 06:56:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5F8430738 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:56:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5954E440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:56:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4931034AC03E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:56:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D4334AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:56:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22256 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2008 06:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.162.30) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 06:56:10 -0000 Message-ID: <493CC4FC.3030105@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:55:56 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <610991.97372.qm@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f07ac840811270322k1bc96cbbr8881590768c78f74@mail.gmail.com> <0FB77CF3-CFFD-412D-87AE-BC24DE1CBB7A@wildskies.net> <492E99DB.6020002@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <492E99DB.6020002@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Photos - sf electronic music festival, etc X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 07:56:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cc52a256041591313764 I agree with Chuck. These are better than normal low cost scans in that a wide dynamic range is retained. It isn't distributed very well, but at least it's all there. I might not go this far with a version for presentation. It's meant to show how much more tonal range is in the scan than might appear. That's a great deal of shadow and highlight detail 'recovered'. "I was lost, but now am found ..." Moose Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Actually, I think the scans look pretty good. If you check the histograms they've all been done so as to preserve the highlights and only the darker shadows are lost if the the dynamic range is too high. ... > > > Brent wrote: > >> Got some photos back today from the OM-10, film had been in there a while. >> >> .... >> >> http://phogra.com/g/v/OM10_OctNov2008/ >> >> Was very unimpressed with the scanning. None of the places around where I work (central Sydney), seem to do a good job. :( >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 08:11:07 2008 Received: (qmail 1340 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 07:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 07:11:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1296A430736 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB842440006 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F1634AC040 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:11:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D577F34AC03B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:11:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20365 invoked by uid 503); 8 Dec 2008 07:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jeff410) (om-list@71.202.108.126) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 07:10:59 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8CB26E7F8DF7824-1628-B76@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:11:00 -0800 Message-ID: <61BC9125A77C49148551E22B7BDACC27@Jeff410> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclY0N4iQTdJQBDHTsWtCLTOiJbsJgAK7Wqw In-Reply-To: <8CB26E7F8DF7824-1628-B76@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Flash - was RE: *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 08:11:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cc88b254161838542571 When trying to light up a room using multiple remote T32 flashes set to auto the interaction was generally not a problem. I'm attempting to get very flat lighting. Imagine two T32s are used to cover a single wall each trying to expose the wall to the same value. If light from one causes the other to output less light that is fine since the sensor saw the desired amount of light. The missing key in my earlier post was that I was using an E-1 set to manual exposure. The desired amount of light wasn't being changed by the camera. So although the remote flashes were set to automatic the actual logic is quite consistent with Dr. Flash's mantra of use manual. The difference is that the sensor is what is deciding that the setting is correct for the desired f5.6 rather than a calibrated knob. -jeff -----Original Message----- From: usher99@aol.com [mailto:usher99@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:04 PM To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] Flash - was RE: *(^&*%^^$%$@ verticals Errr, a bit convoluted, eh. I would agree. So, the question is: does the yabe radioslave trigger induce enough delay when triggering a T32 in auto mode to prevent major interactions with an on camera flash in TTL mode? My impression is that there is some possibly important interaction when the sensed areas overlap, though this is based on a small # of observations. Should be a testable hypothesis. Would be interesting to have a slave flash with the delay mode. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 09:18:02 2008 Received: (qmail 607 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 08:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 08:18:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5187430397 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11220440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBF91CD482 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:17:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C9A1CD481 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:17:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u5so767741tia.10 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:17:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.103.5 with SMTP id a5mr2523462tic.52.1228724273224; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:17:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.3.20 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:17:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7e764efe0812080017y7287f0edjed3ebd63c9331b25@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:17:53 +0800 From: "khen lim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812061002.mB6A2fsi047050@mail.imagecraft.com> <3FB1ED18ADFF42C9B368981848470E83@Jeff410> <493B1FEF.9080501@gmail.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Sort of back - was RE: OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 09:18:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cd83a256989347015869 Hi Jeff I might not know you personally like many on the List do but reading what you wrote, I offer you moral support and encouragement to keep your chin up. Whatever it is that you feel strongly you have to do, please do. And if photography keeps you happy and involved, this List is a fine place to be. As you might be aware, I rarely write but I do read the threads in the List and when I do write, it is because I feel sufficiently moved to do so. By the looks of it, you have gone through quite a series of events all in a very short space of time. I hope you find enough inspiration and camaraderie here to stay encouraged! Regards K. 2008/12/7 Jeff Keller > Thanks Moose, twice I've gone quickly through several thousand deep back > messages. I tuned back in just in time to see the list was moving. > > The last 12 months have been crazy. After my mother recovered from her > broken pelvis she has been able to take care of my father ... she is tough! > Son got married. Daughter started college. Building a new house. Retired > from engineering. Perhaps 10 years worth of savings disappearing with our > country's financial thrills. Even mundane things like parking my car, > coming > back to find it was towed to the other side of the street so that a natural > gas pipe leak in the road could be repaired. Seems like the "excitement" I > gladly missed during the previous 40 years of a mostly mundane adult life > have all piled up in 12 months. I doubt sanity will return in less than > another 12 months though. > > I've got a momentary pause which I'm using to try to solve some real estate > business problems. I needed a diversion after spending 3 days trying to > awaken too many sleeping neurons. > > Thanks again and best wishes, -jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Moose [mailto:olymoose@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:59 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... > > Jeff Keller wrote: > > The generic ... > > Hi Jeff! Not interested in the subject, but I'm glad to see you posting > again. I hope it is because life has eased up on you at least somewhat. > > Moose > -- > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- Khen Lim - Zone-10 LLC, Des Moines, Iowa, USA "To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of people" - Emily Cox "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them" - Walt Disney -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 09:46:11 2008 Received: (qmail 4692 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 08:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 08:46:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14734301C8 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:46:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35689440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:46:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1502619DA08 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:46:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.819 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.819 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.819, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CF219D9E8 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:46:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:46:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F16D46157E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:03:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:46:02 +0000 References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 09:46:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cded3321991993019900 Lovely colours, Moose. I'm still not that keen on the sawtooth effect that you get with your mountain ranges, but I wonder if it isn't in fact really quite true to life. Chris (trying not to be wrongly critical) On 8 Dec 2008, at 01:13, Moose wrote: > > I'm not much for sunrises. This Moose almost always rises after the > sun, > usually well after. > > As it happens, I took some shots of a sunset in the Seattle area on > this > Thanksgiving eve. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 09:46:35 2008 Received: (qmail 428 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 08:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 08:46:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB98D430382 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FB3440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED81C34AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:46:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.057 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.057 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE3D34AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:46:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:46:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC854615AF for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:03:35 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <229CBCDC-47FC-4E51-9801-0B2840A37874@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:46:28 +0000 References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 09:46:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cdeeb199861470116606 It's a lovely picture, Mike, but it looks quite surreal. Chris On 7 Dec 2008, at 19:23, Mike wrote: > As anyone in the PacNW who isn't totally blind has noticed we've had > some pretty spectacular sunrises/sunsets over the last few days. It > helps that the sun barely clears the trees at this time of year. My > attempts at capturing the colors fell short but this shot from another > forum I frequent was pretty good. Taken from Kenny Park. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 09:54:05 2008 Received: (qmail 20140 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 08:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 08:54:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23226430219 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9508440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:54:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FAA34AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:54:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A138534AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:53:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:53:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D944615AF for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:11:05 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <2820CFD3-0008-4737-84E1-6E7E8855E793@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:53:58 +0000 References: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 09:54:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ce0ad122622070262475 That's an interesting lighting setup, Jim. I should think that it borders on the illegal, though. The navigation lights (clear and green ones) are supposed to be visible from a certain range of angles in the UK (120 deg for the coloured one, I think), but the chrome or alloy trim will reflect the light outside that angle, I should think. Also, the clear light is supposed to be visible from the rear, but the landing light (or taxi light) structure will obstruct that view. But perhaps the FAA has different rules for lighting from the CAA. Chris On 8 Dec 2008, at 06:50, jhnichols@lighttube.net wrote: > Moose, > > I have to use webmail to convey to my gallery image links. Take a > look at this one, from the F10, which really impressed me. No > scientific analysis, just the visual impression. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Functional+Beauty.jpg.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 10:02:48 2008 Received: (qmail 9353 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 09:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 09:02:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F08C4303A9 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913A3440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:02:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EBE34AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:02:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6A434AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:02:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:02:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D711F461582 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:19:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <25A13225-238B-4B72-81F2-53BF8CB125AD@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0812072014l77acb166s18986b9dfde1c119@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:02:40 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0812072014l77acb166s18986b9dfde1c119@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Rip Van Winkle shows up with an E-3 (long) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 10:02:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ce2b8228681585427447 Hi Joel And welcome back to the fold; I'm glad that your work is coming to an end, on the flood front at least, for the moment. I have started using an E-420 and I find that the AF takes a bit of getting used to because there are only 3 points, and the points don't seem to be flexible. With the E-3 I leave it on dynamic spot focus rather than all at once, but it is good to be able to move the spot around, either before or after focusing. Chris On 8 Dec 2008, at 04:14, Joel Wilcox wrote: > However, though there are > 11 focus points available, I can't really use them all. I think I > have found just setting the focus up like an E-1 or E-330 is best. > For the most part, I just try to keep the subject inside the circle > and let the camera do its magic. Anyone have a better suggestion -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 10:53:17 2008 Received: (qmail 20034 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 09:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 09:53:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F7C4303A0 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17BA440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:53:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E81134AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:53:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D436D34AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:53:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.59.108] (108.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.108]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96013DA015 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:52:59 +1300 (NZDT) From: bj@caverock.net.nz To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:53:00 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <493DA54C.6123.33BA4E4@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081206-0, 06/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] (OM) not; new blooming flower shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 10:53:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cee8d33481585427447 Hi all http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=949&l=96aa7&id=1027725807 Five more flower shots; all taken with E1 & ZD 14-54; tripod. No direct sunlight (as per John Shaw's advice! ) Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 11:11:19 2008 Received: (qmail 17829 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 10:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 10:11:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C434303B3 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:11:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0E9440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4228A34AC043 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:11:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA2F34AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:11:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (pool-71-110-197-153.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.110.197.153]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id CXA36296 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:11:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <68EA1F18-FC14-4E84-B940-7B4523D744B2@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493DA54C.6123.33BA4E4@bj.caverock.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:11:12 -0800 References: <493DA54C.6123.33BA4E4@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) not; new blooming flower shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 11:11:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cf2c759381470116606 On Dec 8, 2008, at 1:53 AM, bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > Hi all > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=949&l=96aa7&id=1027725807 > > Five more flower shots; all taken with E1 & ZD 14-54; tripod. > No direct sunlight (as per John Shaw's advice! ) > > Brian Swale Hi Brian; How'd you light this (no mention of flash but kinda looks like) (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=244899&id=1027725807&l=96aa7 ) Thanks. /s -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 11:33:35 2008 Received: (qmail 2481 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 10:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 10:33:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B501C430399 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4800440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:33:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78C434AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:33:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E3734AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:33:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7F5461595 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:50:32 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <1D5856D0-4B8F-4FAA-8A21-0CDC39053380@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493DA54C.6123.33BA4E4@bj.caverock.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:33:25 +0000 References: <493DA54C.6123.33BA4E4@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) not; new blooming flower shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 11:33:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cf7ff133651023412894 They're lovely photos, Brian. And using the CoolIris viewing system sets them off nicely. And thanks for giving the names ... Chris On 8 Dec 2008, at 09:53, bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > Hi all > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=949&l=96aa7&id=1027725807 > > Five more flower shots; all taken with E1 & ZD 14-54; tripod. > No direct sunlight (as per John Shaw's advice! ) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 11:35:14 2008 Received: (qmail 5937 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 10:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 10:35:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6361D43035F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AE4440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC6619DE93 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:35:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.057 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.057 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738A219DE8C for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:35:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:35:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L9dSA-00078T-Fl for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:35:02 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net> <2820CFD3-0008-4737-84E1-6E7E8855E793@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:34:44 -0000 Message-ID: <6F7AB16469434C36A2F2123812D246DF@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <2820CFD3-0008-4737-84E1-6E7E8855E793@threeshoes.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclZEofV/B24yQQWRPO/7Ats5qSRjAAC9T4Q X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081207-0, 07/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8730/Sun Dec 7 06:03:03 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 11:35:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cf86270921585427447 Here's on on the UK register, Chris! http://flickr.com/photos/captain_flynn/2008697256/sizes/o/ Piers -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] Sent: 08 December 2008 08:54 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution That's an interesting lighting setup, Jim. I should think that it borders on the illegal, though. The navigation lights (clear and green ones) are supposed to be visible from a certain range of angles in the UK (120 deg for the coloured one, I think), but the chrome or alloy trim will reflect the light outside that angle, I should think. Also, the clear light is supposed to be visible from the rear, but the landing light (or taxi light) structure will obstruct that view. But perhaps the FAA has different rules for lighting from the CAA. Chris On 8 Dec 2008, at 06:50, jhnichols@lighttube.net wrote: > Moose, > > I have to use webmail to convey to my gallery image links. Take a > look at this one, from the F10, which really impressed me. No > scientific analysis, just the visual impression. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Functional+Beauty.jpg.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 11:44:56 2008 Received: (qmail 13421 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 10:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 10:44:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1AA430396 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E04C440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:44:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4755619DEE1 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:44:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.057 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.057 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD7A19DEDF for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:44:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:44:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658BE4615A9 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:01:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <6F7AB16469434C36A2F2123812D246DF@your9ya3hf92n3> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:44:47 +0000 References: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net> <2820CFD3-0008-4737-84E1-6E7E8855E793@threeshoes.net> <6F7AB16469434C36A2F2123812D246DF@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 11:44:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493cfaa825069117217770 Thanks, Piers. He's got round my second objection by having a light on the tail, it looks like. But the reflective bulkhead must make the red and green lights shine outside the 120deg. Chris On 8 Dec 2008, at 10:34, Piers Hemy wrote: > Here's on on the UK register, Chris! > > http://flickr.com/photos/captain_flynn/2008697256/sizes/o/ > > Piers -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 13:27:36 2008 Received: (qmail 26918 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 12:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 12:27:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332294303CA for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:27:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDED7440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:27:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C45B19E270 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:27:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAA819E27B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:27:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32628 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2008 12:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 12:27:25 -0000 Message-ID: <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:27:25 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 13:27:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d12b8309241499373980 Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> It's been many years since I've actually used a T32 on-camera. >> When I did I alwyas used it with an OM-2Sp and in TTL mode or my >> OM-1 in auto mode (I didn't know any different back then). > What's to know? I got many prized snaps of family events, etc. with > OM-2n and T32 in Auto TTL mode. A very fine combo that spoiled me. I > didn't even know I was spoiled until I tried other things. Exactly >> .... >> >> I've grown attached to my Canyon 540EZ for that sort of usage >> because it has a built-in distance calculator bar graph when in >> manual mode which does all the guide number calculations. The >> flash communicates with the camera and knows the ISO setting and >> the focal length and shooting aperture of the lens in use. If >> allowed to do so it will also zoom the flash head to suit the lens. >> When it does all of this it also displays the f/stop in use and a >> distance scale. Above the distance scale it puts a marker over the >> distance that should be used at that focal length, aperture and >> ISO. You can either position yourself at that distance or choose >> to change the zoom head by changing focal length or change ISO or >> aperture to get the right exposure. >> > All true, all lovely, and really, really useful for straight ahead, > on-camera use. But ... it's all out the window for bounce or off > camera use. Very true but not the subject of my post. >> So, this morning I decided to see what assistance the T32 offers >> for manual guide number calculations. After looking at the >> calculator panel I realized that I wasn't 100% sure about how the >> distance scale was to be used in manual mode. I think it may have >> been the first time that I've ever completely read the T32 manual. >> >> As it turns out ... I pondered this for a second until it finally >> dawned on me that the solution is to simply lie about the ISO >> level. > I lied to my XA flash all the time. 200 speed film with the flash set > to 400 avoids blown out faces inside at night. Different function altogether. You were doing exposure compensation. I was doing guide number calculation. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 13:44:55 2008 Received: (qmail 14288 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 12:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 12:44:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B668430370 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CF0440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E453619E313 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:44:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E0119E307 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:44:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:44:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7179 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2008 12:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 12:44:49 -0000 Message-ID: <493D16C0.3050909@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:44:48 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20081205112931.qxmvbdmr4ssskcs4@horde.webofnilsson.com> <49391E2F.6000402@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205134407.evv6lpbm0co488kk@horde.webofnilsson.com> <493935E5.3090201@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205153445.xtvkpyhq0w84g0gs@horde.webofnilsson.com> <493B4E9D.7010404@gmail.com> <493BE1CC.2050302@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB87D.5040004@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493CB87D.5040004@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual flash, was: Radio receivers compatible with FL-36R/FL-50R? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 13:44:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d16c7304521585427447 You may be referring to the 580EX's "catchlight" panel as the 580EX has both a catchlight and diffuser panel. The catchlight panel is a white panel designed specifically for reflecting some light forward when the flash is used in ceiling bounce position. The diffuser panel is for extending the angle of coverage to an 18mm lens. The 540EZ doesn't have a catchlight panel but the diffuser panel does manage to work somewhat the same way if you just pull it out but don't fold it over the flash tube. You will not find what I described in the 540EZ manual. Dr. Flash Moose wrote: >> ... Note to Moose: If you pull the 540EZ's wide diffuser panel out >> and leave it sticking straight out of the case instead of bringing >> it down over the flash head, when the flash head is directed toward >> the ceiling for bounce the diffuser panel will also reflect some >> light forward for fill. >> > Oddly enough, I actually knew that, although I haven't done it. I did > read up on it and try it out before use. That flash is really a > first rate, well designed and thought out piece of equipment >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 13:55:24 2008 Received: (qmail 28392 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 12:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 12:55:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8418C4303A2 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB94440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3835134AC049 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:55:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9483C34AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:55:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.248]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so1165246rvb.50 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.238.4 with SMTP id l4mr1468235wfh.242.1228740917069; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.14.20 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:55:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0812080455j16779ea3n98bd897571240547@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:55:17 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <25A13225-238B-4B72-81F2-53BF8CB125AD@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0812072014l77acb166s18986b9dfde1c119@mail.gmail.com> <25A13225-238B-4B72-81F2-53BF8CB125AD@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Rip Van Winkle shows up with an E-3 (long) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 13:55:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d193c184803675314703 Hi Chris, Thanks for your good wishes, as always. I'm thinking that the dynamic spot focus is what I settled on in my first E-3 outing at a sporting event. How do you like the 420? I keep trying to get my wife interested, but she is in love with her lowly Stylus. Either that, or she knows I would probably take it away from her. Joel W. On 12/8/08, Chris Barker wrote: > Hi Joel > > And welcome back to the fold; I'm glad that your work is coming to an > end, on the flood front at least, for the moment. > > I have started using an E-420 and I find that the AF takes a bit of > getting used to because there are only 3 points, and the points don't > seem to be flexible. With the E-3 I leave it on dynamic spot focus > rather than all at once, but it is good to be able to move the spot > around, either before or after focusing. > > Chris > > On 8 Dec 2008, at 04:14, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> However, though there are >> 11 focus points available, I can't really use them all. I think I >> have found just setting the focus up like an E-1 or E-330 is best. >> For the most part, I just try to keep the subject inside the circle >> and let the camera do its magic. Anyone have a better suggestion -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 14:02:15 2008 Received: (qmail 8522 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 13:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 13:02:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A454303B3 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:02:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFBB440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6C934AC046 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:02:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF8934AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:02:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13975 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2008 13:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 13:02:07 -0000 Message-ID: <493D1ACF.5010206@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:02:07 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493DA54C.6123.33BA4E4@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <493DA54C.6123.33BA4E4@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) not; new blooming flower shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 14:02:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d1ad728141234514069 I like those too. Which of Shaw's works are you referencing? "The Nature Photographer's Complete Guide to Professional Field Techniques"? Chuck Norcutt bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > Hi all > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=949&l=96aa7&id=1027725807 > > Five more flower shots; all taken with E1 & ZD 14-54; tripod. > No direct sunlight (as per John Shaw's advice! ) > > Brian Swale. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 12/7/2008 4:56 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 14:08:05 2008 Received: (qmail 25111 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 13:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 13:08:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A7A430370 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:08:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74866440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F97F19E3BB for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:08:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E4019E3B4 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:07:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F8146157D for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:25:04 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <1E2216DE-9F24-4C95-81FA-54A559D7CE24@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0812080455j16779ea3n98bd897571240547@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:07:56 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0812072014l77acb166s18986b9dfde1c119@mail.gmail.com> <25A13225-238B-4B72-81F2-53BF8CB125AD@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0812080455j16779ea3n98bd897571240547@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Rip Van Winkle shows up with an E-3 (long) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 14:08:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d1c35178083675314703 Hi Joel I really like the E-420. I have been taking it with me to work to take photos of our students, where necessary. AF is a little slow in the dark, sometimes, but not if I choose a decent point to focus on. I have a 25/2.8 as well as the 14-42. It weighs so much less in my bag ... Chris On 8 Dec 2008, at 12:55, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Hi Chris, > Thanks for your good wishes, as always. I'm thinking that the dynamic > spot focus is what I settled on in my first E-3 outing at a sporting > event. How do you like the 420? I keep trying to get my wife > interested, but she is in love with her lowly Stylus. Either that, or > she knows I would probably take it away from her. > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 14:32:20 2008 Received: (qmail 13220 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 13:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 13:32:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B6A4303B7 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:32:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7097F440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:32:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6265B34AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:32:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9651634AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:32:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBK00G6P89FJXP9@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:32:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:32:10 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <9f07ac840812050617r4ed78804u91e7301cae0232ea@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <493D21DA.4000701@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <9f07ac840812050617r4ed78804u91e7301cae0232ea@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 14:32:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d21e4130121585427447 I can only imagine.... ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jez Cunningham wrote: > Pass on our deepest sympathy - to the nurses... :-) > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Wayne Harridge < > wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> he is in good spirits (complaining about the food and the tea... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 14:55:40 2008 Received: (qmail 5914 invoked by uid 0); 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Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBK00BM899XEX90@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:53:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:55:14 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <100-84af3949-27234.001@comkal.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <493D2742.7020705@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <1D59BA86-8090-4C69-9C82-C2A3F65315A1@Bytesmiths.com> <4937D998.30105@verizon.net> <9f07ac840812040548oc0c78c8ia749eb3a4ea21f90@mail.gmail.com> <9f07ac840812040548oc0c78c8ia749eb3a4ea21f90@mail.gmail.com> <49392690.4060209@verizon.net> <100-84af3949-27234.001@comkal.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 14:55:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d275c199221470116606 Hmmm..... the T32 should have been alright with nicads. Also, I've seen (heard) T32 main caps pop under any type of power source. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Ian Manners wrote: > Hi John, > >> Had anyone ever used nicads and had disastrous results? > > YES, on an early model T32, the cap went BANG ! > So I dropped my first OM2 :-( > So I learnt to use a strap as much as I hate them. > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.comkal.net/ > > There is no job so simple it cannot be done wrong. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 15:12:51 2008 Received: (qmail 12900 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 14:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 14:12:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBD2430394 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:12:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC58E440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:12:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF8234AC046 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:12:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579E734AC043 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:12:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBK0052WA52O6W0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:12:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:12:46 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <77BC97BD03CA4ADFB6066149A804B484@Jeff410> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <493D2B5E.4020509@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <0C2FD5C4C68F4D22A00DB2CB176D2CCC@user4fec106f50> <493AACDD.9090603@chucknorcutt.com> <77BC97BD03CA4ADFB6066149A804B484@Jeff410> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] FW: [OT] Help with PC Blue Screen X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 15:12:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d2b63134161838542571 and Webroot Spy Sweeper consistently gets high marks for finding problems that other programs don't. Try "decrapifier" (at PC World, try find.pcworld.com/61726) , it's a free program for removing unwanted programs installed by the pc maker. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jeff Keller wrote: > If you've had the computer awhile and it only recently started showing > problems, Chuck's advice to use Spybot S & D is very good. Also try Adaware. > XP should be quite reliable. It was several years ago that my daughter's > computer was infected with spyware. Spybot removed it. > > If your computer is brand new, the only thing I can suggest is to try > eliminating software which tries to talk to hardware. > > -jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:48 AM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] FW: [OT] Help with PC Blue Screen > > Are you already running good antivirus and other anti-malware software? > Normally, the most likely cause of problems is some sort of malware > vs. hardware. If you need antivirus software try the free version of "AVG" > Read carefully and watch what you click along > the way as they will try numerous times to get you to change your mind > to the not free version. Just persist and you'll get there. > > You should also install something like "Spybot Search & Destroy" which > looks for other forms of malware beyond viruses. > > > If that doesn't help or the system doesn't stay up long enough to > install and run it then try coming in at the hardware level. > > Dell Diagnostics for the Dimension 9100 can be found here: > ServiceTag=&SystemID=DIM_P4_9100&os=WW1&osl=en&catid=&impid=> > > More general info on the 9100 start here: > product_support_central?~ck=ln&c=us&l=en&lnki=0&s=gen&SystemID=DIM_P4_9100> > > Chuck Norcutt > > > David Bell wrote: >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: David W Bell [mailto:david.w.bell@ntlworld.com] >> Sent: 06 December 2008 15:53 >> To: 'olympus@thomasclausen.net' >> Subject: [OT] Help with PC Blue Screen >> >> >> >> I am no longer au fait with the intricasies of modern operating systems >> since the demise of 4mb Ram and Ms-dos >> >> >> >> Blue Screen errors are hitting me fast and furious it seems >> >> >> >> Dell Dimension 9100 running XP Home SP3 >> >> >> >> Is there a reliable user friendly free diagnostic program out there which > I >> can install to try and sniff out the issues? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Dave >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 15:15:08 2008 Received: (qmail 15552 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 14:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 14:15:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F4143039E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489FA440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3941334AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:15:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC57F34AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:15:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBK00LQLA8WY265@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:14:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:15:04 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <493B79EA.26931.33DF2C@bj.caverock.net.nz> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <493D2BE8.4020101@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <493B79EA.26931.33DF2C@bj.caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Calling on the list's electrical engineers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 15:15:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d2bec245923675314703 Thanks for the confirmation. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > Hi all > > John Hermanson asked > "Had anyone ever used nicads and had disastrous results?" > > Yes, the inadvertent use of Nicads ruined one of my QA (Quick auto) 310 > Olympus flash units. I forget now what functions don't work after the event, > but it is basically 'history' as far as doing what it was intended to do is > concerned.. > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 15:43:42 2008 Received: (qmail 464 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 14:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 14:43:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80D5430394 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:43:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08E4440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA6B34AC04F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:43:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4A534AC046 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:43:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBK00J64BKGTL10@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:43:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:43:36 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <493D3298.2010406@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <200812061002.mB6A2fsi047050@mail.imagecraft.com><3FB1ED18ADFF42C9B368981848470E83@Jeff410> <493B1FEF.9080501@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] Sort of back - was RE: OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 15:43:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d329e281865368819438 What a year, indeed! Welcome back mister. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jeff Keller wrote: > Thanks Moose, twice I've gone quickly through several thousand deep back > messages. I tuned back in just in time to see the list was moving. > > The last 12 months have been crazy. After my mother recovered from her > broken pelvis she has been able to take care of my father ... she is tough! > Son got married. Daughter started college. Building a new house. Retired > from engineering. Perhaps 10 years worth of savings disappearing with our > country's financial thrills. Even mundane things like parking my car, coming > back to find it was towed to the other side of the street so that a natural > gas pipe leak in the road could be repaired. Seems like the "excitement" I > gladly missed during the previous 40 years of a mostly mundane adult life > have all piled up in 12 months. I doubt sanity will return in less than > another 12 months though. > > I've got a momentary pause which I'm using to try to solve some real estate > business problems. I needed a diversion after spending 3 days trying to > awaken too many sleeping neurons. > > Thanks again and best wishes, -jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Moose [mailto:olymoose@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:59 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] OM to 4/3 adapter thickness.... > > Jeff Keller wrote: >> The generic ... > > Hi Jeff! Not interested in the subject, but I'm glad to see you posting > again. I hope it is because life has eased up on you at least somewhat. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 15:46:29 2008 Received: (qmail 27275 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 14:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 14:46:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D679B430394 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43EC4440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:46:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F9A19E75E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:46:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F9D19E75D for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:46:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:46:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBK001X6BOUJI10@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:46:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:46:14 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <493D3336.2010603@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] time to say goodbye to a good friend.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 15:46:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d3345185545368819438 It is very sad losing such a wonderful pet. You have lots of good memories that will live on and on. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Richard Man wrote: > Our Old Lady dog Kiva, is now on "Dogsheimer" pills and she is at > least less agitated. The bladder control is going downhill though so > we will see. We cry buckets, but it is time to say goodbye to the > sweetest dogs we ever have. All dogs are special, but Kiva is > absolutely the sweetest. I will call the Mobile Vet on Monday to > discuss options. > > http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/_C061573.jpg > > She's 15 3/4 years old. Outlived her brother by 2 years and her mom > by 4 months. She lost her eye functions starting when she was 4 > (congenital disease) and totally lost it when she was 8 or so. A year > prior to that she had a back injury (cause unknown) that necessitated > a spinal surgery. After the surgery, the vet said she may never walk. > Of course since Kiva did not understand what he said so she ignored > it. We took her to therapy and bought her a doggie wheelie, and > within half a year, she was running. She was blind then of course but > she trusted us to guide her. > > She loves life but it is time to say goodbye. We have our annual > Solstice Vigil party on the 20th. If she lasts that long, our friends > will get to say goodbye to her too. We love her. > > // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, > please use richard at imagecraft.com) > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 15:48:56 2008 Received: (qmail 30369 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 14:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 14:48:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7700143039F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:48:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB7B440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B841D34AC051 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:48:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB9C34AC046 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:48:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 165E0CD08P for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:48:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:48:47 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:48:47 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200812070852.mB78qKeP063220@mail.imagecraft.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] time to say goodbye to a good friend.... Thread-Index: AclYQCgQmvueF8l4TO+VIxW3bhYhEwBA6mVQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2008 14:48:47.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[135A6830:01C95944] Subject: Re: [OM] time to say goodbye to a good friend.... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 15:48:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d33d8190011342116753 My thoughts and prayers are with you. Non-pet owners (more accurately people not belonging to a pet) can't comprehend what a person goes through. Jim, who belongs to one dog, but has several neighborhood cats who have adopted me. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Man [mailto:richard-lists@imagecraft.com] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:49 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] time to say goodbye to a good friend.... Our Old Lady dog Kiva, is now on "Dogsheimer" pills and she is at least less agitated. The bladder control is going downhill though so we will see. We cry buckets, but it is time to say goodbye to the sweetest dogs we ever have. All dogs are special, but Kiva is absolutely the sweetest. I will call the Mobile Vet on Monday to discuss options. http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/_C061573.jpg She's 15 3/4 years old. Outlived her brother by 2 years and her mom by 4 months. She lost her eye functions starting when she was 4 (congenital disease) and totally lost it when she was 8 or so. A year prior to that she had a back injury (cause unknown) that necessitated a spinal surgery. After the surgery, the vet said she may never walk. Of course since Kiva did not understand what he said so she ignored it. We took her to therapy and bought her a doggie wheelie, and within half a year, she was running. She was blind then of course but she trusted us to guide her. She loves life but it is time to say goodbye. We have our annual Solstice Vigil party on the 20th. If she lasts that long, our friends will get to say goodbye to her too. We love her. // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. 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It's quite a relief that it has all worked OK. Cheers Chris (nice use of the apostrophe, by the way. Are you sure that you're from Oz ? :-)) On 5 Dec 2008, at 10:46, Wayne Harridge wrote: > Andrew had his new knee attached a bit over a week ago and moved > from the > hospital to a rehabilitation centre 2 days ago. I went to see him > this > evening and he is in good spirits (complaining about the food and > the tea, > etc.). He's getting around pretty well on crutches but is still in > quite a > bit of pain from the surgery and general damage to his leg. He > apologises > profusely for the email problems he caused with his "out of office" > reply. > He'll probably be back on the list within a fortnight. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 16:25:17 2008 Received: (qmail 12095 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 15:25:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 15:25:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BCE4303D0 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE7D440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCA334AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:25:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3F934AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:25:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:25:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBK00L9VDH9XY45@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:24:46 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:24:53 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <9e908c1f0812072014l77acb166s18986b9dfde1c119@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <493D3C45.8000900@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0812072014l77acb166s18986b9dfde1c119@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] Rip Van Winkle shows up with an E-3 (long) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 16:25:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d3c5d308711946193717 Welcome back Joel. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Joel Wilcox wrote: > I've been off-list mostly since last June as I went AWOL to deal with > flood clean up in my hometown, mainly on my own property but also my > mother's condo. The flood was twice as bad as the first time I went > through this in 1993, but I was more prepared for it this go-round. > We moved back in our home the first of August. All of my immediate > neighbors but one are still rebuilding. My mother may get back in her > condo by the middle of this month. I feel tired, but I also feel > lucky. > > Anyway, photography. Haven't done much. I took some photos for > insurance purposes but let others less emotionally entwined do the > flood stories and photo documentaries. I've lived somewhat > vicariously through a friend, work colleague, and motorcycle buddy who > picked up an E-500 and kit lenses at a good price a while ago. I had > been out shooting with him a bit over the past years, but shooting > with another person involves a subtle sort of negotiation which we > haven't quite mastered. I think he looks to me to provide prospects > which will improve the discovery aspect of his photography and I look > to him for serendipity. I suppose we both want to invade and conquer > each other's creative consciousness. All that aside, it's been fun > and a diversion to watch him develop and enjoy the craft of the > camera, and to see the outcome especially as he documents the > development of his beautiful family. > > The one bit of photography I have done has also been family related. > My daughter has entered a somewhat competitive phase in gymnastics, > and so I've been turning up at her meets as the "dad with the big > honking camera." It's allowed me to explore the capabilities of my > cameras to follow focus, fuss with WB, and generally refine the > argument between creative planning and throwing a lot of exposures at > the problem of a moving subject. That argument is not yet resolved, > but this is kind of how it has gone for me: > > Creative planning -- After much observation and repetition, you > develop the ability to anticipate the kinds of things you'd like to > catch, knowing that the opportunity will probably be repeated. Case > in point, here's one of my favorite images: > > http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3010832127/in/photostream/ > > Throwing lots of exposures at it -- This is easy but not as productive > as I thought. I found a lot of difference between my cameras (E-1 and > E-330) on this point. In Rachel's earlier meets, I used the 330 > exclusively, trading off between AF and MF. After a certain amount of > success and frustration with both methods of focusing, I brought out > my E-1, which I much prefer for manual focus because of the > viewfinder. In the end, I was chagrined to discover that despite its > shortcomings, the camera's AF, especially on the 330, is largely > superior to my ability to focus manually at speed, try as I may. > > White balance is another issue I had not worried much about before > either, largely because I have mainly shot in RAW mode and just left > the camera on Auto WB, changing it if I want to in PP. I prefer to > shoot jpgs when I'm shooting multiple frames per second, so I have to > settle on some kind of compromised WB in the various lighting > situations inside gymnasia of all different sorts. I should have > brought along the apparatus to do a custom white balance, but never > did. I did something close by shooting a predominantly white > scoreboard at various WB settings and using the best-looking one as my > custom setting for that gym. Worked OK. > > In the course of all this fussing about WB and focusing, and > anticipating my family's biennial trip to Hawaii for the holidays > among my wife's klan, I decided to make the move to the E-3. In > general, I really like the camera and it basically overcomes aspects > of the E-1 and E-330 which fall a little bit short in certain > situations. Mainly, it marries the virtues of both cameras together > for me and adds several more. (Someone will say Yeah, it weighs the > same as both cameras together!) Follow focus, particularly with my > old DZ 50-200 is faster and more accurate. However, though there are > 11 focus points available, I can't really use them all. I think I > have found just setting the focus up like an E-1 or E-330 is best. > For the most part, I just try to keep the subject inside the circle > and let the camera do its magic. Anyone have a better suggestion? > > This post is going on forever, but I'll end with just a couple more > comments on the E-3, a subject which is probably ancient history by > now. Being a somewhat inveterate E-330 user by this time, I like the > way Live View lives on in the E-3. The availability of the histogram > in LV takes me back to the wonderful C-8080 and a feature that I have > always felt was the most clever thing about that camera. With the > live histogram and AE lock button, you can largely get perfect > exposures every time with the C-8080's electronic viewfinder, which > for all intents and purposes is the precursor of LV. On the E-3, the > AEL button has a different purpose in LV, but my hunch is that LV in > manual mode with live histogram will be just about as good. Anyone > doing exposure this way? > > In my experience with the 330 and DZ 50-200, LV is required to get > precise focus at the far end of the lens, so even in landscape work I > have tended to use it a lot, and I expect to do the same with the E-3. > The live histogram will be a great asset, I hope. > > Best regards, > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 16:38:59 2008 Received: (qmail 23607 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 15:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 15:38:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659B54303B1 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FF7440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:38:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE9A34AC049 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:38:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.595 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.595 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EEF34AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:38:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 12 days 03:57:24 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:38:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6402657.53691228751217950.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-46-50.iburst.co.za ([41.213.46.50]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 20 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:46:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <0C2FD5C4C68F4D22A00DB2CB176D2CCC@user4fec106f50> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:38:46 +0200 References: <0C2FD5C4C68F4D22A00DB2CB176D2CCC@user4fec106f50> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] FW: [OT] Help with PC Blue Screen X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 16:38:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d3f9332601234514069 It's called getting a Mac :-) Sorry, I had to... On 06 Dec 2008, at 6:07 PM, David Bell wrote: > Blue Screen errors are hitting me fast and furious it seems > > Is there a reliable user friendly free diagnostic program out there > which I > can install to try and sniff out the issues? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 16:51:35 2008 Received: (qmail 15130 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 15:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 15:51:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C794303DC for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1751440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39AD19EA03 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:51:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134AC19E9E9 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:51:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mB8FpHTc004067 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:51:17 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com><493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com> <03688210571646668BE3EE92EBAF51AE@jimnichols><49374FE0.3010506@chucknorcutt.com> <493CBD3B.4070808@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:49:54 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 16:51:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d4287255931342116753 Yes, the minilab scan has very different color calibration to normal sRGB, usually very high sharpening too. A proper scanned and adjusted image will be much better, just finished 19 rolls of negatives from a trip to Europe in 1992. Here are two samples: Olympus XA, F5.6, Kodak Gold 100-2 http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/EU92_04_15.jpg OM40, Kodak Ektar 100, Zuiko 35-105 1st version (early morning, shot through holtel room window) http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/EU92_16_03.jpg C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > Jim Nichols wrote: >>> I would agree with you. My little 6.3mp Fujifilm F10 has produced some >>> images that just blew me away. After several years of having C41 film >>> processed to CD by a department store lab, I was amazed at the >>> resolution >>> that the little camera provided. >>> > Hardly a fair comparison. Nothing against the F10, I liked mine so much > I went to an F30 and Carol is still using the F10. On the other hand, if > you shot it with the EV setting wrong and a softening filter, then > mis-set contrast in an editor, that would be closer to what was being > done to your film shots. > > The difference between a minilab CD of scanned film images and proper > scans is just enormous. > > Moose > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 17:16:07 2008 Received: (qmail 6486 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 16:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 16:16:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D8F430384 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B7A440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D1D34AC049 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:16:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C075534AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:16:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so186313gve.21 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:15:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.214.8 with SMTP id r8mr1280360muq.92.1228752959145; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:15:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:15:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:15:58 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493CBB5A.60704@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4935AF36.90207@chucknorcutt.com> <493CBB5A.60704@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0ee0b3aea9525528 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 17:16:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d4847285561499373980 > > Actually, the bokeh in 1_37_500is pretty ugly. And the bricks in > 2_18_500 aren't great. > I agree with Moose. (send in one of the four horses now) However, I suspect that this is a classic case of nice film lens not so good for digital--especially when downsized and sharpened where the penumbra rolls back onto itself forming hard balloons. I am experiencing exactly the same thing with my 100/f2.8 lens on the E-1. However, if you notice, these hard-edged bokeh balloons are happening with full-length portraits, not necessarily with the head-shots. My 100/f2.8 lens is exceptional--even on the E-1 at head-shots, but for the full-length shots I prefer the look of the 50/f3.5 macro lens. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 17:23:04 2008 Received: (qmail 11789 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 16:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 16:23:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A5743039F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93318440023 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:22:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8528B34AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:22:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865C834AC048 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:22:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:22:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id od9C1a0040QkzPwA2gNsEm; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:22:52 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ogNr1a0042Axmu48NgNrwY; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:22:51 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net><493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> <4D350841AFD14FCE8CD188CCFB5FBC9B@PaulPC><493CAAB2.8030700@gmail.com> <493CB5D4.9010802@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493CB5D4.9010802@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:22:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 17:23:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d49e897371529615919 My apologhies, Moose. I thought I had sent a follow up message last night, with the URL for that sunset image. Here is the URL and "next" will give another slightly later in time. As I said before, excuse the composition. To get it I was leaning across the kitchen sink and shooting out of the open window. That articulated LCD on the A650 is nice. Paul in Portland OR http://www.pbase.com/pelaughlin/image/106816917 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 17:29:34 2008 Received: (qmail 26696 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 16:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 16:29:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD844303C2 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:29:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C24440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939A919EC22 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:29:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20CB19EC1F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:29:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so464163ywa.80 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.251.3 with SMTP id d3mr1293080mus.72.1228753766080; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:29:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.102.247.18 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:29:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812080829x53ce4e21x1cbe23a1aec31ba0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:29:26 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com> <493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com> <03688210571646668BE3EE92EBAF51AE@jimnichols> <49374FE0.3010506@chucknorcutt.com> <493CBD3B.4070808@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3c5b24dbe5494644 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 17:29:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d4b6e186851234514069 >From the Eiffel Tower I think - there's no hotel there tall enough for that view... Cordialement, jez On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 4:49 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > > OM40, Kodak Ektar 100, Zuiko 35-105 1st version (early morning, shot > through > holtel room window) > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/EU92_16_03.jpg > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 17:34:03 2008 Received: (qmail 14811 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 16:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 16:34:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E65F4303AB for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:34:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74753440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B92D34AC04F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:33:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE1B34AC04D for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:33:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.155]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so465377ywa.80 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.175.9 with SMTP id c9mr1306184mup.3.1228754035088; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:33:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:33:55 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 85965c3803003447 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 17:34:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d4c7b133081234514069 Oh, that is one pretty airplane. I love the paint scheme. Looking at the full picture, it appears that the housing for the lights is actually wrapped farther around to the side than what it looks like in the close-up. If the side-marker is in violation, it's not by much. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 17:37:23 2008 Received: (qmail 24709 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 16:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 16:37:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D3E430736 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:37:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CA1440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F3019EC7F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:37:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A3619EC92 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:37:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:37:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mB8Gb4Fj011654 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:37:09 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <7234BB2232994CAD8ED9994FAA59AFA9@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com><493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com><03688210571646668BE3EE92EBAF51AE@jimnichols><49374FE0.3010506@chucknorcutt.com> <493CBD3B.4070808@gmail.com> <9f07ac840812080829x53ce4e21x1cbe23a1aec31ba0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:37:00 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 17:37:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d4d4322951946193717 Oops... sorry, you are right, I posted the wrong image. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jez Cunningham" > >From the Eiffel Tower I think - there's no hotel there tall enough for > >that > view... > Cordialement, jez > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 4:49 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > >> >> OM40, Kodak Ektar 100, Zuiko 35-105 1st version (early morning, shot >> through >> hotel room window) >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/EU92_16_03.jpg >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 17:39:19 2008 Received: (qmail 12240 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 16:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 16:39:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50584303A3 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FA0440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:39:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A4A19ECAB for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:39:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D2C19EC4E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:39:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so468789yxi.80 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.173.5 with SMTP id a5mr1298144mup.57.1228754349341; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:39:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:39:09 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 284be42a2b3bb06b Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 17:39:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d4db7297781470116606 > > Different function altogether. You were doing exposure compensation. I > was doing guide number calculation. My brain hurts. I'm remembering now why I bought a flash meter in the first place. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 18:11:47 2008 Received: (qmail 31224 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 17:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 17:11:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B26E4303B9 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D14440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:11:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67ECD19EE24 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:11:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE9E19EE00 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:11:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:11:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20942 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2008 17:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 17:11:35 -0000 Message-ID: <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:11:34 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 18:11:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d5553104989347015869 In the venue where Moose first showed his 540EZ flash shots, IIRC, it would have been difficult or impossible to have used a flash meter. Also, IIRC, I think direct flash would have been required based on distance and lack of suitable bounce surfaces. But it was a while back and I'm really not sure. Dr. Flash Ken Norton wrote: >> Different function altogether. You were doing exposure compensation. I >> was doing guide number calculation. > > > > My brain hurts. I'm remembering now why I bought a flash meter in the first > place. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 18:42:46 2008 Received: (qmail 9400 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 17:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 17:42:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C304303CE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5F7440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010A834AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:42:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F82834AC046 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:42:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:42:37 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB8HgYtp031402 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:42:36 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net> <2820CFD3-0008-4737-84E1-6E7E8855E793@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:42:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 18:42:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d5c961901234514069 Chris, As I recall, the aircraft was a homebuilt kit plane, beautifully finished. I'm no longer flying, so I am not current on the latest lighting rules. What impressed me was the overall fit and finish of the lighting installation. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution > That's an interesting lighting setup, Jim. I should think that it > borders on the illegal, though. The navigation lights (clear and > green ones) are supposed to be visible from a certain range of angles > in the UK (120 deg for the coloured one, I think), but the chrome or > alloy trim will reflect the light outside that angle, I should think. > Also, the clear light is supposed to be visible from the rear, but the > landing light (or taxi light) structure will obstruct that view. > > But perhaps the FAA has different rules for lighting from the CAA. > > Chris > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 18:45:31 2008 Received: (qmail 2561 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 17:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 17:45:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4A64303D6 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:45:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE00440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:45:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1587834AC046 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:45:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.058 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.058 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0058F34AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:45:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:45:23 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB8HjKVH013524 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:45:22 GMT Message-ID: <1E65AEE2CD014964867F39D04445BF02@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net><2820CFD3-0008-4737-84E1-6E7E8855E793@threeshoes.net> <6F7AB16469434C36A2F2123812D246DF@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:45:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 18:45:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d5d3b318951946193717 Piers, I love that registration number. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution > Here's on on the UK register, Chris! > > http://flickr.com/photos/captain_flynn/2008697256/sizes/o/ > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] > Sent: 08 December 2008 08:54 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution > > That's an interesting lighting setup, Jim. I should think that it borders > on the illegal, though. The navigation lights (clear and green ones) are > supposed to be visible from a certain range of angles in the UK (120 deg > for the coloured one, I think), but the chrome or > alloy trim will reflect the light outside that angle, I should think. > Also, the clear light is supposed to be visible from the rear, but the > landing light (or taxi light) structure will obstruct that view. > > But perhaps the FAA has different rules for lighting from the CAA. > > Chris > > On 8 Dec 2008, at 06:50, jhnichols@lighttube.net wrote: > >> Moose, >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 18:48:36 2008 Received: (qmail 21813 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 17:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 17:48:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D22430740 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA42440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:48:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3367F34AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:48:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4140E34AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:48:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:48:27 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB8HmNFl014167 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:48:25 GMT Message-ID: <4ED20E8BB808447D9ABD0D031C82103B@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:48:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 18:48:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d5df4241871073733319 Thanks, Ken. The work on the entire plane was outstanding. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution > Oh, that is one pretty airplane. I love the paint scheme. Looking at the > full picture, it appears that the housing for the lights is actually > wrapped > farther around to the side than what it looks like in the close-up. If > the > side-marker is in violation, it's not by much. > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 19:10:42 2008 Received: (qmail 21492 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 18:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 18:10:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A4E4303BA for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B23440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A355A19F137 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:10:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.056 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.056 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904D119F128 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:10:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KBK007GQL2FVL71@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:08:39 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-218-97.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.218.97]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:09:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:08:33 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArETAIvxPEkY3tph/2dsb2JhbACBZogZxRMHgn4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,736,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="240617109" References: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net> <2820CFD3-0008-4737-84E1-6E7E8855E793@threeshoes.net> <6F7AB16469434C36A2F2123812D246DF@your9ya3hf92n3> <1E65AEE2CD014964867F39D04445BF02@jimnichols> Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 19:10:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d632221971023412894 When our son was in the Air Cadets in southern BC in the early to mid 1990s he obtained a glider pilot's licence at age16. The tow plane carried the registration letters C-FTAL. Shortly after he obtained his licence the plane crashed. So much for fancy call letters ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution > Piers, > > I love that registration number. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Piers Hemy" > To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:34 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution > > >> Here's on on the UK register, Chris! >> >> http://flickr.com/photos/captain_flynn/2008697256/sizes/o/ >> >> Piers >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] >> Sent: 08 December 2008 08:54 >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution >> >> That's an interesting lighting setup, Jim. I should think that it >> borders >> on the illegal, though. The navigation lights (clear and green ones) are >> supposed to be visible from a certain range of angles in the UK (120 deg >> for the coloured one, I think), but the chrome or >> alloy trim will reflect the light outside that angle, I should think. >> Also, the clear light is supposed to be visible from the rear, but the >> landing light (or taxi light) structure will obstruct that view. >> >> But perhaps the FAA has different rules for lighting from the CAA. >> >> Chris >> >> On 8 Dec 2008, at 06:50, jhnichols@lighttube.net wrote: >> >>> Moose, >>> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 19:11:50 2008 Received: (qmail 6119 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 18:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 18:11:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859AD4303CF for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A133D440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E7134AC049 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:11:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2BC34AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:11:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KBK00KRAL6YP850@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:11:22 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-218-97.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.218.97]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:09:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:11:21 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <18EC455C6D034C17A2C84106F7F4730B@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArETAAPyPEkY3tph/2dsb2JhbACBZogZxRsHgn4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,736,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="421907450" References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com> <493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com> <03688210571646668BE3EE92EBAF51AE@jimnichols> <49374FE0.3010506@chucknorcutt.com> <493CBD3B.4070808@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 19:11:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d6366128301234514069 Don't commercial print labs use the CMYK regimen of print colours and inks? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... > Yes, the minilab scan has very different color calibration to normal sRGB, > usually very high sharpening too. A proper scanned and adjusted image will > be much better, just finished 19 rolls of negatives from a trip to Europe > in > 1992. Here are two samples: > > Olympus XA, F5.6, Kodak Gold 100-2 > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/EU92_04_15.jpg > > OM40, Kodak Ektar 100, Zuiko 35-105 1st version (early morning, shot > through > holtel room window) > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/EU92_16_03.jpg > > C.H.Ling > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moose" > >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>> I would agree with you. My little 6.3mp Fujifilm F10 has produced some >>>> images that just blew me away. After several years of having C41 film >>>> processed to CD by a department store lab, I was amazed at the >>>> resolution >>>> that the little camera provided. >>>> >> Hardly a fair comparison. Nothing against the F10, I liked mine so much >> I went to an F30 and Carol is still using the F10. On the other hand, if >> you shot it with the EV setting wrong and a softening filter, then >> mis-set contrast in an editor, that would be closer to what was being >> done to your film shots. >> >> The difference between a minilab CD of scanned film images and proper >> scans is just enormous. >> >> Moose >> -- > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 19:47:52 2008 Received: (qmail 11150 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 18:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 18:47:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F33430701 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:47:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627D4440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:47:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34ED234AC048 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:47:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0AF034AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:47:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp01.online.nl (smtp01.online.nl [194.134.41.31]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:47:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp01.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp01.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43CC8E08D for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:47:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp01.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:47:41 +0100 (CET) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:47:40 +0100 Message-ID: <83AA4C44B56543A985BC032292F79B79@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp01.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 19:47:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d6bd8152749117217770 Great looking "prairie skies". At least that is what we called them when we saw such awesome sunsets when visiting Canada in 1991. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Paul Laughlin [mailto:pelaughlin@comcast.net] > Verzonden: maandag 8 december 2008 17:23 > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets > > > My apologhies, Moose. I thought I had sent a follow up > message last night, > with the URL for that sunset image. Here is the URL and > "next" will give > another slightly later in time. As I said before, excuse the > composition. > To get it I was leaning across the kitchen sink and shooting > out of the open > window. That articulated LCD on the A650 is nice. > Paul in Portland OR > http://www.pbase.com/pelaughlin/image/106816917 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 20:33:48 2008 Received: (qmail 21378 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 19:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 19:33:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE784303BE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD830440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B124319F45D for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:33:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A1019F458 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:33:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8EE3B0683 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:33:36 +1100 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P+zLg3H-aSCM for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:33:33 +1100 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F973B0662 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:33:33 +1100 (EST) Received: from c122-107-121-205.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au ([122.107.121.205] helo=[10.0.1.198]) by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L9lrK-00011z-Pj for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:33:34 +1100 Message-Id: From: Brent To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493C74D3.3040802@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:33:29 +1100 References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74D3.3040802@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - wildskies.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [OM] ot image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 20:33:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d769c171161234514069 Hi Another OT image, or perhaps OTT (over the top) - heavily adjusted in Photoshop as I was having a bit of a play with PhotoShop Elements to see if I could get away with not buying the full version - this one taken on my wife's new camera (EOS 40D), and her 24-70L lens. http://phogra.com/g/v/Canon/Decay.html Factory in Sydney seen as we were scurrying our way home to avoid an impending thunderstorm. Brent -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 20:35:28 2008 Received: (qmail 25391 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 19:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 19:35:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263184303D0 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9DC440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDA334AC05B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:35:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF3B34AC046 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:35:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B7646145F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:52:19 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:35:11 +0000 References: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net> <2820CFD3-0008-4737-84E1-6E7E8855E793@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 20:35:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d7700300141234514069 The part that I could see certainly looked lovely, Jim. Two or 3 years ago I had a trip in a home-built machine, one of the gorgeous foreplane machines with a pusher prop designed by a famous US designer (but whose name escapes me at this time of night :-)). The builder was an engineer, not a pilot, and the attention to detail was fantastic. It was very strange to take-off, very heavy on the little side-stick control column, but great fun and very fast. It was fore and aft seating so it reminded me (a little) of heavier and vastly faster machines than what I fly now (a Grob 115e). Chris (and no, I didn't look very closely at the lighting setup on the machine in which I had a wonderful joy-ride :-)) On 8 Dec 2008, at 17:42, Jim Nichols wrote: > Chris, > > As I recall, the aircraft was a homebuilt kit plane, beautifully > finished. > I'm no longer flying, so I am not current on the latest lighting > rules. > What impressed me was the overall fit and finish of the lighting > installation. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 20:39:58 2008 Received: (qmail 21880 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 19:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 19:39:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4934303C6 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:39:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F17E7440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF6B34AC046 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:39:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8EC34AC04F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:39:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:39:45 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB8JdgLP005991 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:39:44 GMT Message-ID: <0C30781D0A05419FB6A2043359F23CE3@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net><2820CFD3-0008-4737-84E1-6E7E8855E793@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:39:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 20:39:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d780e105551073733319 Chris, That description sounds like one of Burt Rutan's designs, such as the Varieze or Longeze, the ones that are parked empty with the nose wheel folded. I've seen them, but have no experience with them. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution > The part that I could see certainly looked lovely, Jim. > > Two or 3 years ago I had a trip in a home-built machine, one of the > gorgeous foreplane machines with a pusher prop designed by a famous US > designer (but whose name escapes me at this time of night :-)). The > builder was an engineer, not a pilot, and the attention to detail was > fantastic. > > It was very strange to take-off, very heavy on the little side-stick > control column, but great fun and very fast. It was fore and aft > seating so it reminded me (a little) of heavier and vastly faster > machines than what I fly now (a Grob 115e). > > Chris > (and no, I didn't look very closely at the lighting setup on the > machine in which I had a wonderful joy-ride :-)) > > On 8 Dec 2008, at 17:42, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> As I recall, the aircraft was a homebuilt kit plane, beautifully >> finished. >> I'm no longer flying, so I am not current on the latest lighting >> rules. >> What impressed me was the overall fit and finish of the lighting >> installation. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 20:42:36 2008 Received: (qmail 12079 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 19:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 19:42:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CED430701 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F05440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4160F19F4A1 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:42:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C28B19F49A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:42:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:42:30 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB8JgQ0d025699 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:42:28 GMT Message-ID: <7C4675E0B2EA4366A671640DC8486475@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74D3.3040802@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:42:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] ot image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 20:42:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d78ac63131529615919 Brent, Elements 6.0 is my standard editing program. Version 7.0 is now out, but I haven't tried it. I've never used the full blown Photoshop, but, for my purposes, Elements works fine. I shoot RAW with an Oly E-510. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: [OM] ot image > Hi > > Another OT image, or perhaps OTT (over the top) - heavily adjusted in > Photoshop as I was having a bit of a play with PhotoShop Elements to > see if I could get away with not buying the full version - this one > taken on my wife's new camera (EOS 40D), and her 24-70L lens. > > http://phogra.com/g/v/Canon/Decay.html > > Factory in Sydney seen as we were scurrying our way home to avoid an > impending thunderstorm. > > Brent > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 20:50:37 2008 Received: (qmail 3490 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 19:50:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 19:50:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9E94303D9 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:50:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67B5440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:50:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22E634AC046 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:50:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C710B34AC048 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:50:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:50:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C78B0696 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:50:28 +1100 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Npwo0hM9wdba for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:50:25 +1100 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0C1B0674 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:50:25 +1100 (EST) Received: from c122-107-121-205.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au ([122.107.121.205] helo=[10.0.1.198]) by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L9m7e-0000zD-KD for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:26 +1100 Message-Id: From: Brent To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7C4675E0B2EA4366A671640DC8486475@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:50:25 +1100 References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74D3.3040802@gmail.com> <7C4675E0B2EA4366A671640DC8486475@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - wildskies.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] ot image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 20:50:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d7a8d32181470116606 Thanks, yes I think I will go the same route, I've found PSE6 on my Mac surprisingly capable in the time I've been playing with it (I miss color range select though, and 16 bit would be nice). I'd love to also go the same route with the camera (maybe an E-520)... perhaps when economic things are looking a bit shinier. Brent On 09/12/2008, at 6:42 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Brent, > > Elements 6.0 is my standard editing program. Version 7.0 is now out, > but I > haven't tried it. I've never used the full blown Photoshop, but, > for my > purposes, Elements works fine. I shoot RAW with an Oly E-510. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 20:50:47 2008 Received: (qmail 8338 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 19:50:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 19:50:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25234303A0 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0357F440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:50:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E1D34AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:50:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507A434AC043 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:50:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.59.254] (254.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.254]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7392E3D802C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:50:27 +1300 (NZDT) From: bj@caverock.net.nz To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:50:26 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <493E3152.27684.38B70B@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081208-0, 08/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] not; new blooming flower shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 20:50:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d7a97241911234514069 Hello all, Siddiq asked how I lit these shots. No flash. Just residual light from the sky and/or clouds. White balance set in the E1 using a sheet of white paper. I have long been impressed by the advice given by John Shaw in his books - eg Nature Photographer's Complete Guide to Professional Field Techniques and Close-ups in Nature : The Photographers Guide To Techniques in the Field both available now through www.bookfinder.com He explains why to use the techniques, and in his books was the ONLY author of such books to give firm advice on tripods to use - which I followed (some 20+ years ago, buying from B&H in New York, using the adverts in Popular Photography). Cheers, Brian > Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:11:12 -0800 > From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" > Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) not; new blooming flower shots > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Message-ID: <68EA1F18-FC14-4E84-B940-7B4523D744B2@ucr.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > On Dec 8, 2008, at 1:53 AM, bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=949&l=96aa7&id=1027725807 > > > > Five more flower shots; all taken with E1 & ZD 14-54; tripod. > > No direct sunlight (as per John Shaw's advice! ) > > > > Brian Swale > > Hi Brian; > > How'd you light this (no mention of flash but kinda looks like) > (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=244899&id=1027725807&l=96aa7 ) > > Thanks. > > /s //////////////////////////////////////////////// -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 21:01:33 2008 Received: (qmail 29271 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 20:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 20:01:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D30643038D for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DC4440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:01:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470FF19F516 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:01:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2217019F514 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:01:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f13.google.com (mail-gx0-f13.google.com [209.85.217.13]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so1250911gxk.14 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:01:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.229.19 with SMTP id g19mr1387857mur.1.1228766461077; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:01:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:01:01 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <0C30781D0A05419FB6A2043359F23CE3@jimnichols> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net> <2820CFD3-0008-4737-84E1-6E7E8855E793@threeshoes.net> <0C30781D0A05419FB6A2043359F23CE3@jimnichols> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b7fd1d5efe454328 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 21:01:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d7d1d141691342116753 > > That description sounds like one of Burt Rutan's designs, such as the > Varieze or Longeze, the ones that are parked empty with the nose wheel > folded. I've seen them, but have no experience with them. That would be my guess too. I've been in a Longeze. A wonderful flying airplane except it has the weird trait of feeling like you're in an old Ford Fairlane with bad shocks. In some wind conditions and cruise speeds with a slightly-forward CG, the plane feels like it is bobbing. Come to think of it, Rutan issued a new canard to fix an issue with it when flying in the rain. What drove me nuts is the rudder peddles being totally independent of each other. But the plane was fast and efficient and extremely stable. Oh, and it isn't true that it is stall-proof, but you have to work at it. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 21:16:29 2008 Received: (qmail 8890 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 20:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 20:16:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499224303B3 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:16:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D977F440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:16:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0F734AC043 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:16:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D2634AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:16:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3373 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2008 20:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.194.240) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 20:16:15 -0000 Message-ID: <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:16:08 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 21:16:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d809c63541470116606 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > In the venue where Moose first showed his 540EZ flash shots, IIRC, it would have been difficult or impossible to have used a flash meter. Also, IIRC, I think direct flash would have been required based on distance and lack of suitable bounce surfaces. But it was a while back and I'm really not sure. > You remember quite correctly. The lighting was just on the edge for a 5D and I took a mix of flash and ambient shots. I preferred the look of the ambient shots, but got a fair amount of blur from subject motion. With 5DII or D3 and/or a faster long lens, I wouldn't have needed flash at all. In retrospect, considering Julia's expectations and the size images she ended up pleased with, I could have shot the whole thing without flash at ISO 1600 & 3200. But I didn't have a chance to do a dry run, the 540EZ was a new toy and I had it ready to go. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 21:25:47 2008 Received: (qmail 3749 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 20:25:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 20:25:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE5643077C for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:25:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F04B440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:25:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DEF34AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:25:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=7 tests=[RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A727C34AC043 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:25:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 24 days 18:36:43 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:25:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31439 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 14:25:27 -0600 Received: from pool-96-248-141-77.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.248.141.77) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 14:25:27 -0600 Message-ID: <493D82C1.8000604@ctgonline.org> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:25:37 -0600 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74D3.3040802@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] ot image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 21:25:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d82cb129157927319144 Brent wrote: > Hi > > Another OT image, or perhaps OTT (over the top) - heavily adjusted in > Photoshop as I was having a bit of a play with PhotoShop Elements to > see if I could get away with not buying the full version - this one > taken on my wife's new camera (EOS 40D), and her 24-70L lens. > > http://phogra.com/g/v/Canon/Decay.html > > Factory in Sydney seen as we were scurrying our way home to avoid an > impending thunderstorm. > > Brent I love it. The sky is the perfect backdrop for the decay of the factory building. One of those moments taht makes you damn glad you had the camera with you that day. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 21:47:35 2008 Received: (qmail 26799 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 20:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 20:47:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A749430740 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:47:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B579440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A68419F64A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:47:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAA319F65E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:47:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:47:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from 4.red-83-44-108.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.44.108.4]:52837 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1L9n0e-0003bB-1v (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:47:17 +0000 Message-Id: <79DA07D1-6E5C-479C-B051-471A365E3D72@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Picture a Day discussion group , Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:47:15 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?Nathan=27s_PAD_7/12/2008=3A_se=F1oritas_and_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?e=F1oras?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 21:47:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d87e73921838542571 Had to drop off my daughter in Benidorm yesterday to go to amusement park with some friends. Afterwards, I went for a walk along the beach: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#432885830_5jbZx-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 22:13:16 2008 Received: (qmail 26991 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 21:13:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 21:13:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C5D430701 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:13:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831E2440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:13:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769B834AC04D for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:13:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3FE34AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.124]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15990 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2008 21:13:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _qEd.NQVM1k0Cz4jVJhMo1wHPr5Xqx9gT2ZIdN_Ab.u111MdQ7ogZ3LPNPOfMm6SxPCKlhgjXZKsaXslzZqf._Y8HzaildN1Rs3EQOLOTleBq0Z77T7gO_RlRlmDTCqD3PIXMZrl7MXrGgLUMScZTKX76DQJxFnKRtO_4syoxBW.VwEWWjXDBrA651fk Received: from [71.97.4.235] by web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:13:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:13:03 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <419246.15649.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] [OT] Re: More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 22:13:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d8dec313591234514069 =A0=A0 Moose, =A0 =A0I have tried for the last few days to open the links you have been sendi= ng, but I have been unable to do so. I keep getting messages such as "error= , unable to connect to server". I have tried using Opera as well as IE, but= I get the same from both. I was wondering if anyone else has had these sam= e problems? On a bit of a different note, has anyone had any problems getti= ng on or into Google? I get much of the same msg trying to do that as well. = =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 Thanks, =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Jerry=A0 Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Moose wrote: From: Moose Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 2:16 PM Chuck Norcutt wrote: > In the venue where Moose first showed his 540EZ flash shots, IIRC, it would have been difficult or impossible to have used a flash meter. Also, I= IRC, I think direct flash would have been required based on distance and lack of suitable bounce surfaces. But it was a while back and I'm really not sure. > = You remember quite correctly. The lighting was just on the edge for a 5D and I took a mix of flash and = ambient shots. I preferred the look of the ambient shots, but got a fair = amount of blur from subject motion. With 5DII or D3 and/or a faster long = lens, I wouldn't have needed flash at all. = In retrospect, considering Julia's expectations and the size images she = ended up pleased with, I could have shot the whole thing without flash = at ISO 1600 & 3200. But I didn't have a chance to do a dry run, the = 540EZ was a new toy and I had it ready to go. Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 22:26:28 2008 Received: (qmail 5455 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 21:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 21:26:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6720C4303DC for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3AE440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:26:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAC434AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:26:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B05934AC043 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:26:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:26:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE522461603 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:43:27 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <0C30781D0A05419FB6A2043359F23CE3@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:26:19 +0000 References: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net><2820CFD3-0008-4737-84E1-6E7E8855E793@threeshoes.net> <0C30781D0A05419FB6A2043359F23CE3@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 22:26:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d9104192291234514069 That was it, the Longeze, thanks, Jim. It was silver and very sleek. The airbrakes ("speedbrakes") were activated by pressing both rudder pedals, causing each rudder to turn outwards. A very cool machine. Chris On 8 Dec 2008, at 19:39, Jim Nichols wrote: > Chris, > > That description sounds like one of Burt Rutan's designs, such as the > Varieze or Longeze, the ones that are parked empty with the nose wheel > folded. I've seen them, but have no experience with them. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 22:27:46 2008 Received: (qmail 29325 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 21:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 21:27:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987AF430734 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:27:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3909440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B3919F78D for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:27:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6505719F76D for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:27:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EE0461614 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:44:48 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <3F7690E7-9FF2-493F-9E2D-2CB9E2A312BB@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:27:40 +0000 References: <20081208015042.gxvd8t3eisggsow8@webmail.lighttube.net> <2820CFD3-0008-4737-84E1-6E7E8855E793@threeshoes.net> <0C30781D0A05419FB6A2043359F23CE3@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Moose: Example of Fujifilm F10 Resolution X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 22:27:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d9152186562336821329 it was a strange functionality, but I enjoyed it once I had got used to it. And that CofG problem was what caused it to be so strange on liftoff. Chris On 8 Dec 2008, at 20:01, Ken Norton wrote: > > What drove me nuts is the rudder peddles being totally independent > of each > other. But the plane was fast and efficient and extremely stable. > Oh, and > it isn't true that it is stall-proof, but you have to work at it. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 22:34:49 2008 Received: (qmail 22518 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 21:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 21:34:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65904303A9 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:34:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1FD440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:34:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BF534AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:34:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2639F34AC048 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:34:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193E34615E2 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:51:49 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:34:40 +0000 References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74D3.3040802@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ot image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 22:34:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d92f9186541234514069 That's a cool result, Brent. Chris On 8 Dec 2008, at 19:33, Brent wrote: > > Another OT image, or perhaps OTT (over the top) - heavily adjusted in > Photoshop as I was having a bit of a play with PhotoShop Elements to > see if I could get away with not buying the full version - this one > taken on my wife's new camera (EOS 40D), and her 24-70L lens. > > http://phogra.com/g/v/Canon/Decay.html > > Factory in Sydney seen as we were scurrying our way home to avoid an > impending thunderstorm. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 22:36:28 2008 Received: (qmail 17385 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 21:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 21:36:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410E14303C4 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:36:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57909440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4786034AC043 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:36:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E4E34AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:36:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.237]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB8LaFa3007668 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:36:16 +1100 Message-Id: <200812082136.mB8LaFa3007668@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:36:15 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:36:15 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 22:36:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d935c61261702588592 > Chris Barker wrote: > > (nice use of the apostrophe, by the way. Are you sure that you're > from Oz ? :-)) Thanks Chris, I wasn't 100% sure about it, I did consider rewording the subject line to eliminate the apostrophe ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 22:48:11 2008 Received: (qmail 14852 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 21:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 21:48:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFC34303D6 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69134440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:48:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0BB34AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:48:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF3E34AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:48:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4602 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2008 21:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.204.150) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 21:48:00 -0000 Message-ID: <493D960D.9020304@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:47:57 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20081205112931.qxmvbdmr4ssskcs4@horde.webofnilsson.com> <49391E2F.6000402@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205134407.evv6lpbm0co488kk@horde.webofnilsson.com> <493935E5.3090201@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205153445.xtvkpyhq0w84g0gs@horde.webofnilsson.com> <493B4E9D.7010404@gmail.com> <493BE1CC.2050302@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB87D.5040004@gmail.com> <493D16C0.3050909@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <493D16C0.3050909@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual flash, was: Radio receivers compatible with FL-36R/FL-50R? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 22:48:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d961b105982070262475 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > You may be referring to the 580EX's "catchlight" panel as the 580EX has both a catchlight and diffuser panel. The catchlight panel is a white panel designed specifically for reflecting some light forward when the flash is used in ceiling bounce position. Nope, didn't read about the 580EX. > The diffuser panel is for extending the angle of coverage to an 18mm lens. The 540EZ doesn't have a catchlight panel but the diffuser panel does manage to work somewhat the same way if you just pull it out but don't fold it over the flash tube. You will not find what I described in the 540EZ manual. > I didn't have that manual until your recent link posting about the excellent old manual source. There are some other quite useful resources on the web which I read before deployment.. This one is very clear, yet comprehensive and specifically talks about use of the diffuser panel for fill light. Others I used are and Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 22:49:22 2008 Received: (qmail 8900 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 21:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 21:49:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA4E430741 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:49:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FB4440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D6C19F98B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:49:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2674519F95E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:49:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2612 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2008 21:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 21:49:13 -0000 Message-ID: <493D9659.3090201@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:49:13 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74D3.3040802@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] ot image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 22:49:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d9662265502046811720 Looks like you accomplished your purpose. Chuck Norcutt Brent wrote: > Hi > > Another OT image, or perhaps OTT (over the top) - heavily adjusted in > Photoshop as I was having a bit of a play with PhotoShop Elements to > see if I could get away with not buying the full version - this one > taken on my wife's new camera (EOS 40D), and her 24-70L lens. > > http://phogra.com/g/v/Canon/Decay.html > > Factory in Sydney seen as we were scurrying our way home to avoid an > impending thunderstorm. > > Brent > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 22:53:05 2008 Received: (qmail 25573 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 21:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 21:53:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B512F43075B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:53:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20333440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:53:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7DA19F9C8 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:53:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5256E19F9B0 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:52:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:52:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4723 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2008 21:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 21:52:58 -0000 Message-ID: <493D973A.4080605@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:52:58 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493E3152.27684.38B70B@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <493E3152.27684.38B70B@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] not; new blooming flower shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 22:53:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d9741132731342116753 I have these books. I re-read parts of the second fairly recently but haven't read the first in quite some time. I'll have to do a refresher. Chuck Norcutt bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > Hello all, > > Siddiq asked how I lit these shots. > > No flash. Just residual light from the sky and/or clouds. White balance set in > the E1 using a sheet of white paper. > > I have long been impressed by the advice given by John Shaw in his books - > eg Nature Photographer's Complete Guide to Professional Field Techniques > > and > Close-ups in Nature : The Photographers Guide To Techniques in the Field > > both available now through www.bookfinder.com > > He explains why to use the techniques, and in his books was the ONLY > author of such books to give firm advice on tripods to use - which I followed > (some 20+ years ago, buying from B&H in New York, using the adverts in > Popular Photography). > > Cheers, Brian >> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:11:12 -0800 >> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" >> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) not; new blooming flower shots >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Message-ID: <68EA1F18-FC14-4E84-B940-7B4523D744B2@ucr.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> >> On Dec 8, 2008, at 1:53 AM, bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=949&l=96aa7&id=1027725807 >>> >>> Five more flower shots; all taken with E1 & ZD 14-54; tripod. >>> No direct sunlight (as per John Shaw's advice! ) >>> >>> Brian Swale >> Hi Brian; >> >> How'd you light this (no mention of flash but kinda looks like) >> (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=244899&id=1027725807&l=96aa7 ) >> >> Thanks. >> >> /s > //////////////////////////////////////////////// > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1837 - Release Date: 12/8/2008 9:38 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 23:08:23 2008 Received: (qmail 63 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 22:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 22:08:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005F9430740 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71B3440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:08:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B771D19FBC4 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:08:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE0419FBC0 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:08:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.90]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5129 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2008 22:08:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3TxPboUVM1k3bzSVLoxdMtPp5x_BWNyIPh0KT8.ZBdSa3rBG4GeyU01ehMP3Cc9HPKoCXqhSABk5K4Fn6dJ.8pJZAk4dhcvPAzP5ASKQl5pwkZ3Ckmm2PRjsWNogsklR.buSgZX7VknuHK1voq1yZnhpabsEl8i6SgGI.5DIywBdWcaWkPgSjXxr65w- Received: from [81.132.163.176] by web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:08:15 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:08:15 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840812080829x53ce4e21x1cbe23a1aec31ba0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <132786.4096.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 23:08:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d9ad7241991993019900 Within a few hundred yards/metres of the Statue of Liberty I believe :-O Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK --- On Mon, 8/12/08, Jez Cunningham wrote: > From: Jez Cunningham > Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Monday, 8 December, 2008, 4:29 PM > >From the Eiffel Tower I think - there's no hotel > there tall enough for that > view... > Cordialement, jez > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 4:49 PM, C.H.Ling > wrote: > > > > > OM40, Kodak Ektar 100, Zuiko 35-105 1st version (early > morning, shot > > through > > holtel room window) > > > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/EU92_16_03.jpg > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 23:14:13 2008 Received: (qmail 22034 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 22:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 22:14:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D154303C5 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:14:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4161F440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9D534AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:14:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821FD34AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:14:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:14:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16492 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2008 22:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 22:14:06 -0000 Message-ID: <493D9C2E.1010801@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:14:06 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <419246.15649.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <419246.15649.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Re: More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 23:14:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d9c3576121234514069 Hi, Jerry. I can connect to Moose's pages and Google just fine. I'm using Firefox 3 (just upgraded last night) on Win XP (latest release) Chuck Norcutt Jerry Smith wrote: > Moose, > > I have tried for the last few days to open the links you have been > sending, but I have been unable to do so. I keep getting messages > such as "error, unable to connect to server". I have tried using > Opera as well as IE, but I get the same from both. I was wondering if > anyone else has had these same problems? On a bit of a different > note, has anyone had any problems getting on or into Google? I get > much of the same msg trying to do that as well. > > Thanks, Jerry -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 8 23:26:27 2008 Received: (qmail 23770 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 22:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 22:26:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DEA430736 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6F4440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:26:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8E319FC11 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:26:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2289B19FC0F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:26:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.190]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:26:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so288182gve.21 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:26:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.92.10 with SMTP id u10mr1428022mul.22.1228775177971; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:26:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:26:17 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <79DA07D1-6E5C-479C-B051-471A365E3D72@frozenlight.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <79DA07D1-6E5C-479C-B051-471A365E3D72@frozenlight.eu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 78eac3f492ddb94c Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?Nathan=27s_PAD_7/12/2008=3A_se=F1oritas_and_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?e=F1oras?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 8 23:26:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493d9f1358481744846740 Nathan, Your weekly contribution to the photo universe from Alicante are always a highlight of this list. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 00:09:39 2008 Received: (qmail 23474 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 23:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 23:09:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF1C430748 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:09:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6203440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F6719FCE3 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:09:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD75719FCDF for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:09:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:09:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so800000ugf.21 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:09:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.229.19 with SMTP id g19mr1457384mur.1.1228777769792; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:09:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:09:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:09:29 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3d01c2550238d7ef Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] T45 battery pack rebuild X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 00:09:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493da933214971342116753 I'm NOT ignoring Chuck's advice--have ebay will buy.... But, I'd still like to see if I can rip this pack apart and possibly replace the cells. I like the idea of the self-contained aspect of this flash for low-volume shooting where I might not necessarily want something else tying me down. It pains me to have something as brilliantly designed as this, dead as a doorknob. So here goes: 1. There are two screws down at the terminal end - Removed 2. There is a faux leatherette cap on the bottom - Removed 3. Under the faux leatherette cap are two metal holder clips - Removed 4. The shell of the battery is built in two halves, but are not separating. This is where I am stuck. I've tried prying them apart but haven't "forced" the issue too much yet. But I'm not getting anywhere. Now, there is a possibility that somebody had glued the shell together, and if that's the case then I'll just have to resort to firing up the dremel. But I'm hoping for some hidden "Indiana Jones" type of soft spot to press that releases the locks. -- AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 00:11:23 2008 Received: (qmail 3159 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 23:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 23:11:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0724303D4 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACA2440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C84934AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:11:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267EF34AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:11:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14622 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2008 23:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 23:11:13 -0000 Message-ID: <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:11:13 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 00:11:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493da99b177261234514069 Well, like many things, not needing flash is a matter of opinion. This non-flash shot, for example, shows much considerable harsh shadow under chins, glasses, some eye sockets and on necks, and cheekbones. All the light is coming from a point source high high above and to the right and is not kind to these folks. The flash version has eliminated those shadows (perhaps too much) and introduced some others behind the folks who are standing close to the wall. Those shadows are also undesirable but it should be possible to at least minimize them. I see that the ambient shot was made at 1/60 and f/5.6 at ISO 800. The flash shot was made at 1/200 and f/10 at ISO 400. For the flash shot the shutter speed is down 1-2/3 stops, the aperture is down 1-2/3 stops, and the ISO is down 1 stop for a net decrease of 4-1/3 stops. Remember that flash shots are always composed of two exposures... the ambient exposure and the flash exposure. Since this shot is 4-1/3 stops down from the correct ambient exposure, if there was no flash there wouldn't be any exposure. You only need 100% flash in a dark room. Elsewhere you can take advantage of the ambient light and only use the flash to make up the deficit. You can also use the flash for fill as in this case where the overhead light is just as harsh as your undiffused flash. I think you'd have gotten better results if you had maintained your original shutter speed and aperture of 1/60 and f/5.6 and simply dropped the ISO to 400 from 800. That would have given you an ambient exposure one stop down from the needed exposure and the one stop differential could have been made up with flash. That would have gotten the camera into its quality comfort zone, shadows under chins, etc would have been considerably softened but not eliminated and the shadows cast on the wall behind the folks close to the wall would be considerably softer. For an example of balancing flash and ambient with a one stop differential I point you to this article. In this case it's trying to show how to make a proper TTL exposure but that's really immaterial to the basic notion of ambient one stop under flash... if you can, of course. Dr. Flash Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> In the venue where Moose first showed his 540EZ flash shots, IIRC, it would have been difficult or impossible to have used a flash meter. Also, IIRC, I think direct flash would have been required based on distance and lack of suitable bounce surfaces. But it was a while back and I'm really not sure. >> > You remember quite correctly. > > The lighting was just on the edge for a 5D and I took a mix of flash and > ambient shots. I preferred the look of the ambient shots, but got a fair > amount of blur from subject motion. With 5DII or D3 and/or a faster long > lens, I wouldn't have needed flash at all. > > > In retrospect, considering Julia's expectations and the size images she > ended up pleased with, I could have shot the whole thing without flash > at ISO 1600 & 3200. But I didn't have a chance to do a dry run, the > 540EZ was a new toy and I had it ready to go. > > Moose > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1837 - Release Date: 12/8/2008 9:38 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 00:18:40 2008 Received: (qmail 17161 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 23:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 23:18:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7644307D2 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6B6440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:18:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9E919FD02 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:18:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E7A19FD09 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:18:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18505 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2008 23:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 23:18:32 -0000 Message-ID: <493DAB48.4050005@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:18:32 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20081205112931.qxmvbdmr4ssskcs4@horde.webofnilsson.com> <49391E2F.6000402@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205134407.evv6lpbm0co488kk@horde.webofnilsson.com> <493935E5.3090201@chucknorcutt.com> <20081205153445.xtvkpyhq0w84g0gs@horde.webofnilsson.com> <493B4E9D.7010404@gmail.com> <493BE1CC.2050302@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB87D.5040004@gmail.com> <493D16C0.3050909@chucknorcutt.com> <493D960D.9020304@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493D960D.9020304@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual flash, was: Radio receivers compatible with FL-36R/FL-50R? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 00:18:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493dab50193261234514069 Well, clearly my personal discovery is not unique. I did have that link and obviously didn't read it closely enough. It took me a while to figure out the diffuser panel could be used that way. Dr. Flash Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> You may be referring to the 580EX's "catchlight" panel as the 580EX has both a catchlight and diffuser panel. The catchlight panel is a white panel designed specifically for reflecting some light forward when the flash is used in ceiling bounce position. > Nope, didn't read about the 580EX. >> The diffuser panel is for extending the angle of coverage to an 18mm lens. The 540EZ doesn't have a catchlight panel but the diffuser panel does manage to work somewhat the same way if you just pull it out but don't fold it over the flash tube. You will not find what I described in the 540EZ manual. >> > I didn't have that manual until your recent link posting about the > excellent old manual source. There are some other quite useful resources > on the web which I read before deployment.. This one is very clear, yet > comprehensive and specifically talks about use of the diffuser panel for > fill light. > > Others I used are > > and > > Moose > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1837 - Release Date: 12/8/2008 9:38 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 00:24:37 2008 Received: (qmail 13720 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 23:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 23:24:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBA2430729 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC61440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:24:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ADAD19FD16 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:24:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548ED19FD1F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:24:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.190]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u5so892398tia.10 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.42.17 with SMTP id p17mr4649709tip.42.1228778668927; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:24:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (203-214-40-39.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.214.40.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w12sm767346tib.33.2008.12.08.15.24.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:24:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493DACA1.7040707@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:24:17 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <419246.15649.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <419246.15649.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Re: More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 00:24:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493dacb5153891234514069 Jerry Smith wrote: > Moose, I have tried for the last few days to open the links you have > been sending, but I have been unable to do so. ... I can't remember where I got this (it may have even been here on the List), but this website: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ is meant to tell you whether a website is, well, "down for everyone or just" you. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 00:24:53 2008 Received: (qmail 23442 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 23:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 23:24:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6AA6430788 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:24:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E2E440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD3D34AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:24:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E21334AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:24:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mailout06.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout06.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.254.80]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:24:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailscan03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.3] helo=mailscan03.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout06.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1L9pT2-0006W9-N1 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:24:44 -0500 Received: from impout03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.3] helo=impout03.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan03.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1L9pT2-00065R-Fz for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:24:44 -0500 Received: from authsmtp10.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.10]) by impout03.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id onQj1a0050D2B7u0000000; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:24:43 -0500 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.10 X-EN-IMPSID: onQj1a0050D2B7u0000000 Received: from pool-96-248-141-77.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([96.248.141.77] helo=[192.168.1.231]) by authsmtp10.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim) id 1L9pT0-0005Kw-Nn for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:24:43 -0500 Message-Id: From: Paul To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5G77) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5G77) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:24:45 -0600 References: X-EN-UserInfo: f33b9075ef46b3fcc37991f6412f793d:9603fff26e5d6e285341d54f8ba782c1 X-EN-AuthUser: paulb@acousticconnection.com X-EN-OrigIP: 96.248.141.77 X-EN-OrigHost: pool-96-248-141-77.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net Subject: Re: [OM] T45 battery pack rebuild X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 00:24:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493dacc5104837927319144 To the best of my knowledge, based on when I tried to rebuild mine, it's ultrasonically welded together. "It's the miracle of Life -- ain't it good to be alive?" -- Jim Peterik "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." -- David St. Hubbins On Dec 8, 2008, at 17:09, "Ken Norton" wrote: > I'm NOT ignoring Chuck's advice--have ebay will buy.... > But, I'd still like to see if I can rip this pack apart and possibly > replace > the cells. I like the idea of the self-contained aspect of this > flash for > low-volume shooting where I might not necessarily want something > else tying > me down. It pains me to have something as brilliantly designed as > this, > dead as a doorknob. So here goes: > > 1. There are two screws down at the terminal end - Removed > 2. There is a faux leatherette cap on the bottom - Removed > 3. Under the faux leatherette cap are two metal holder clips - Removed > 4. The shell of the battery is built in two halves, but are not > separating. > This is where I am stuck. I've tried prying them apart but haven't > "forced" > the issue too much yet. But I'm not getting anywhere. > > Now, there is a possibility that somebody had glued the shell > together, and > if that's the case then I'll just have to resort to firing up the > dremel. > But I'm hoping for some hidden "Indiana Jones" type of soft spot to > press > that releases the locks. > > -- > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 00:26:29 2008 Received: (qmail 18622 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 23:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 23:26:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D145B430740 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474EB440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7C319FD27 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:26:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A2E19FD20 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:26:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:26:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3839 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2008 23:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2008 23:26:20 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081208165614.0112e608@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:57:12 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 00:26:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493dad25158391234514069 At 04:55 PM 12/6/2008, AG wrote: > >As crazy as it sounds at first, I'd actually consider backpacking with just >the OM-3Ti and 35-80 zoom. 35-80 zoom AND 200/4 perhaps? wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 00:30:39 2008 Received: (qmail 15399 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 23:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 23:30:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0632D430740 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:30:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBD8440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D15D19FD33 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:30:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C373919FD2A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:30:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so738194nfc.20 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:30:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.227.10 with SMTP id e10mr1456314mur.30.1228779012295; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:30:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:30:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:30:12 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2f9236f778bded37 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 00:30:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493dae1f270431869477228 > > Well, like many things, not needing flash is a matter of opinion. This > non-flash shot, for example, shows much considerable harsh shadow under > chins, glasses, some eye sockets and on necks, and cheekbones. All the > light is coming from a point source high high above and to the right and > is not kind to these folks. I make it a habit to cruise the internet looking for new photographic ideas and tracking trends as it relates to wedding and portrait photography. I hate to say it, but since the D3 and D700 have hit the market, things have gotten "ugly" in a hurry. Don't people realize that flash is a good thing to control contrast and "quality of light"? Maybe this is why we're seeing a resurgence in faux B&W photography since the ambient lighting is so gut-wrench. Shall we mix incadescent, with two flavors of florescent and neon lighting with daylight? One type of lighting I've attempted but never got the hang of is second light where you use one flash on-camera and the other like 10 feet to one side. Some photographers have it working for them, but I get horrid, harsh shadows. There is a method to my madness as to why I want the T45 working. I'm very interested in recreating the 50's look, but with my own typical Norton twist. :) AG AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 00:30:53 2008 Received: (qmail 4391 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 23:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 23:30:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5254303CC for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1C7440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F6919FD33 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:30:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3220019FD30 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:30:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from lily.dementia.org (LILY.DEMENTIA.ORG [128.2.120.205]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (md@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lily.dementia.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id mB8NUZMq028883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:30:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:30:35 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Dapoz To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] T45 battery pack rebuild X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 00:30:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493dae2d132425368819438 On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Ken Norton wrote: > 4. The shell of the battery is built in two halves, but are not separating. > This is where I am stuck. I've tried prying them apart but haven't "forced" > the issue too much yet. But I'm not getting anywhere. Yes, it's lightly glued along the edges. If you work slowly with a very sharp utility knife you can separate the two halves without damaging the case. A little bit of twisting of the pack also helps to break the bond. When done you'll need 20 AA's to rebuild it and a bit of time to put it all together. Get AA's with tabs welded 90 degrees to each other, it makes assembling the pack easier. -mark -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 00:41:53 2008 Received: (qmail 10023 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 23:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 23:41:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651364303C5 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:41:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B4F440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:41:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49C219FD58 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:41:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D982319FD2E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:41:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so740444nfc.20 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.49.12 with SMTP id b12mr1450440muk.65.1228779705703; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:41:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:41:45 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081208165614.0112e608@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081208165614.0112e608@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bf668c68264f785c Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 00:41:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493db0c1176197927319144 > > >As crazy as it sounds at first, I'd actually consider backpacking with > just > >the OM-3Ti and 35-80 zoom. > > 35-80 zoom AND 200/4 perhaps? > ...and 24/2.5, 100/2.8, 300/4.5, OM-4T, 50/3.5.... OK, you caught me. Busted. Just like a potato chip, there's no way I could have just one. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 00:51:40 2008 Received: (qmail 23502 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2008 23:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 23:51:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8743143075B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E6B440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:51:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DCF19FD84 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:51:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A43719FD83 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:51:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so742869nfc.20 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.175.9 with SMTP id c9mr1468963mup.3.1228780292467; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:51:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:51:32 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0122046c5975d95d Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] T45 battery pack rebuild X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 00:51:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493db30c53791869477228 So, based on the information that the shell is lightly glued, I shall work slowly with it and must have patience. This will be a multi-evening project I can tell. No problem. I can see why John doesn't touch them, though. If patience runs out, I'll use the tried and true method of cracking these cases open--a bigger hammer! But I'll attempt the following first: Take utility knife and make many, many, many slight cuts along the seam until I finally break through. If I get tired of that, I'll use the cutting disk on the dremel to cut a slot and pry the beast open. I was going to see if i could stuff a bunch of Eneloops in the thing. Meanwhile, trolling the 'bay for quantum stuff. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 01:20:16 2008 Received: (qmail 16726 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 00:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 00:20:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AB4430746 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D4E440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:20:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3DD34AC043 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:20:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF00634AC04D for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:20:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mB90K4Q7008280 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:20:04 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <2863389704734E30A15C1D959B6E5749@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com><493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com><03688210571646668BE3EE92EBAF51AE@jimnichols><49374FE0.3010506@chucknorcutt.com> <493CBD3B.4070808@gmail.com> <18EC455C6D034C17A2C84106F7F4730B@hudson> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:20:00 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 01:20:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493db9c0302381234514069 No, the Fuji minilabs here use Frontier machine, it laser expose the regular print paper, no inks. I believe all other minilabs use similar technique and I know an old Agfa machine uses CRT to expose print paper, no ink for all small prints C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" > Don't commercial print labs use the CMYK regimen of print colours and > inks? > > jh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C.H.Ling" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:49 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... > > >> Yes, the minilab scan has very different color calibration to normal >> sRGB, >> usually very high sharpening too. A proper scanned and adjusted image >> will >> be much better, just finished 19 rolls of negatives from a trip to Europe >> in >> 1992. Here are two samples: >> >> Olympus XA, F5.6, Kodak Gold 100-2 >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/EU92_04_15.jpg >> >> OM40, Kodak Ektar 100, Zuiko 35-105 1st version (early morning, shot >> through >> holtel room window) >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/EU92_16_03.jpg >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Moose" >> >>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>>> I would agree with you. My little 6.3mp Fujifilm F10 has produced >>>>> some >>>>> images that just blew me away. After several years of having C41 film >>>>> processed to CD by a department store lab, I was amazed at the >>>>> resolution >>>>> that the little camera provided. >>>>> >>> Hardly a fair comparison. Nothing against the F10, I liked mine so much >>> I went to an F30 and Carol is still using the F10. On the other hand, if >>> you shot it with the EV setting wrong and a softening filter, then >>> mis-set contrast in an editor, that would be closer to what was being >>> done to your film shots. >>> >>> The difference between a minilab CD of scanned film images and proper >>> scans is just enormous. >>> >>> Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 01:23:41 2008 Received: (qmail 16415 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 00:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 00:23:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4214307F0 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DCA440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:23:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FED34AC043 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:23:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F115734AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:23:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16192 invoked by uid 504); 9 Dec 2008 00:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2008 00:23:32 -0000 Message-ID: <493DBA84.40709@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:23:32 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] T45 battery pack rebuild X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 01:23:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493dba8d297351993019900 Quoting a note from Tim Hughes from 4 years ago on T45 rebuilds Chuck Norcutt ----------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:18:52 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Hughes Subject: [OM] Re: T45 -- my solution Here are the links to my schematic: http://olympus.dementia.org/Hardware/PDFs/T45_Chrg_1_0.pdf And Bruce's physical layout sketch. http://olympus.dementia.org/Hardware/misc/T45_nicad.jpg The reason your flash worked partly is that at least one of the strings of cells, probably only has a single defective cell. This allows that invertor to charge up the flash cap to a lower voltage where it can still be triggered albeit with low light etc. The cost to have the pack repaired is high because of tedious labour and large number of cells. With care you can cut open the pack along the seams with a dremel cut blade (best) or a fine point dremel diamond coated bit or even with the tip of a fine soldering iron. If you do, do it yourself you need to find a source of tabbed cells. You need to replace all cells, as mixing old and new ones does not last long. My favourite place to deal with is the NiCdLady in southern CA. If you ask nicely they will usually do the tabs for free, even though they list a small fee for tabbing. You still have to cut the tabs and solder the cells together and fit it all in the small space. I would recommend you do not use NiMh cells as the charger will damage them quickly. An alternative to replacing the NiCd cells would be to use just two Hawker Sealed Pb, D cells connected in series and hook them up to all the + terminals in parallel. You would have to make some sort of adapter connector. Although a pair of these D cells can fit inside the handle, you would have to figure out how to hold them in. You would also have to make a voltage regulated charger with a voltage of exactly 4.7V. So this is only an option if you have electronics skills. One advantage is the hawker cells are about $6 ea ($12 tot), so a bit cheaper, although you will not get so many flashes out, You could make 2 or three packs for the cost of a single set of NiCd's. Beware of shorting the hawker cells they can deliver about 180A into a short causing things to glow red hot. Regards, Tim Hughes --------------------------------------------------------- Mark Dapoz wrote: > On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Ken Norton wrote: > >> 4. The shell of the battery is built in two halves, but are not separating. >> This is where I am stuck. I've tried prying them apart but haven't "forced" >> the issue too much yet. But I'm not getting anywhere. > > Yes, it's lightly glued along the edges. If you work slowly with a very > sharp utility knife you can separate the two halves without damaging the > case. A little bit of twisting of the pack also helps to break the bond. > When done you'll need 20 AA's to rebuild it and a bit of time to put it > all together. Get AA's with tabs welded 90 degrees to each other, it > makes assembling the pack easier. > -mark > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1837 - Release Date: 12/8/2008 9:38 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 01:35:38 2008 Received: (qmail 31946 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 00:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 00:35:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD4A4303C8 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:35:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53A3440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E75719FE3A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:35:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294BD19FE37 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:35:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50782 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L9qZX-0000zy-8c for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:35:31 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:35:28 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] On free film... Thread-Index: AclZlgiKR1kwN8WJEd2fwAAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <2863389704734E30A15C1D959B6E5749@main> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 01:35:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493dbd5a189241499373980 C.H. Is right about photo labs. CYMK printing is used by companies that print books, magazines, newspapers, etc. using printing presses. CMYK is also used by inkjet printers like the ones we use at home, and is also used by graphic arts companies and some photo labs who print large photographs on large format inkjet printers. Home inkjets use RGB files and internally convert to CYMK, while printing presses require a CYMK input file. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 12/8/08 7:20 PM, "C.H.Ling" wrote: > No, the Fuji minilabs here use Frontier machine, it laser expose the regular > print paper, no inks. I believe all other minilabs use similar technique and > I know an old Agfa machine uses CRT to expose print paper, no ink for all > small prints > > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 02:27:41 2008 Received: (qmail 23303 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 01:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 01:27:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2712F430741 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C794E440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:27:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A370E34AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:27:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF4434AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:27:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.91] (91.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.91]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7C83DA03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:27:23 +1300 (NZDT) From: bj@caverock.net.nz To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:27:23 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <493E804B.30184.7633C4@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081208-0, 08/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] not; new blooming flower shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 02:27:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493dc98d238681234514069 I have just realised why Siddiq asked if I had used flash for my delphinium shots in http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=949&l=96aa7&id=1027725807 I had taped a sheet of black velvet cloth to the brick house wall behind them. I have this sheet of velvet in my camera case most of the time and have used it for many flower shots both in the field and in the house. The photos were taken after sunset ( long twilight now in the summer here where these flowers are in Central Otago, New Zealand), or when there was cloud and no sun. The importance of not having sunlight (or flash) directly on flowers, is that it enables better natural colour saturation, and often avoids reflections and other phenomena which degrade the image. IMO. Cheers Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 02:29:17 2008 Received: (qmail 19024 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 01:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 01:29:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F81430788 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:29:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3834E440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:29:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD8219FF19 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:29:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F42219FF17 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:29:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19313 invoked by uid 504); 9 Dec 2008 01:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2008 01:29:08 -0000 Message-ID: <493DC9E3.3000406@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:29:07 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 02:29:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493dc9ed154574673671140 My photo mentor used that type of lighting frequently when shooting bar/bat mitzvah family groups at a particular temple in Lexington, MA and also when making "table shots" at receptions, business functions, etc. The key ingredient was that he had me to help schlep the light along which was mounted on a Redwing "Quick Stand" (you need one if you don't have one) and was also sporting a 30" umbrella to soften the light. Bigger would have been better but it was usually used in rather cramped quarters. The two lights are arranged much as a two light studio setup. The light on the stand is the main and is arranged such that it's about 45 degrees from the center of the group and 45 degrees up. Stay about 10 feet away to avoid serious exposure problems with light fall off across the depth of a table. The camera light is the fill light and set for about 1 stop less than the main. Actually, using the "Quick Stand" you could do it without an assistant but it would be a bit of a hassle especially doing "table shots". The Quick Stand is unique in that it's a light stand that you can simply pick up and carry away. The legs fold down automatically and when you set it down the legs fold back out automatically. I could pick it up and raise my carrying arm high which would raise the umbrella over the crowds. The legs would fold up out of the way and make carrying it much easier than a normal light stand if not actually easy. Unfortunately, the real Redwing Quick Stand has been out of production for ages, maybe 10 or 20 years. Fortunately, after years of searching, I discovered a clone (what I own) called "Kwik-Stand" which is/was manufactured by a small company in Texas called C&R Enterprises, Inc. I was able to purchase one from Arlington Camera in Arlington, TX not much more than a year ago which you see here: But the Arlington Camera page notes the item is out of stock and the only thing I can find of C&R Enterprises is this There's a phone number listed but the web site listed on the shaft of my stand appears to be defunct. I hope they're still there. Recommended. Quality was spotty though. I had to return my first one due to a slightly misplaced rivet which caused binding on one of the legs. They were obviously hand made without the benefit of a jig. Maybe I should go into production. :-) Dr. Flash Ken Norton wrote: > > One type of lighting I've attempted but never got the hang of is second > light where you use one flash on-camera and the other like 10 feet to one > side. Some photographers have it working for them, but I get horrid, harsh > shadows. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 02:31:49 2008 Received: (qmail 17545 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 01:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 01:31:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2155430736 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:31:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8426D440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7686D34AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDD734AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:31:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:31:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21292 invoked by uid 504); 9 Dec 2008 01:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2008 01:31:42 -0000 Message-ID: <493DCA7D.7040101@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:31:41 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com><493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com><03688210571646668BE3EE92EBAF51AE@jimnichols><49374FE0.3010506@chucknorcutt.com> <493CBD3B.4070808@gmail.com> <18EC455C6D034C17A2C84106F7F4730B@hudson> <2863389704734E30A15C1D959B6E5749@main> In-Reply-To: <2863389704734E30A15C1D959B6E5749@main> Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 02:31:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493dca85195229347015869 Almost all commercial print labs in the US expect an sRGB image. If you send them something else they will convert it. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > No, the Fuji minilabs here use Frontier machine, it laser expose the regular > print paper, no inks. I believe all other minilabs use similar technique and > I know an old Agfa machine uses CRT to expose print paper, no ink for all > small prints > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hudson" > > >> Don't commercial print labs use the CMYK regimen of print colours and >> inks? >> >> jh >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "C.H.Ling" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... >> >> >>> Yes, the minilab scan has very different color calibration to normal >>> sRGB, >>> usually very high sharpening too. A proper scanned and adjusted image >>> will >>> be much better, just finished 19 rolls of negatives from a trip to Europe >>> in >>> 1992. Here are two samples: >>> >>> Olympus XA, F5.6, Kodak Gold 100-2 >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/EU92_04_15.jpg >>> >>> OM40, Kodak Ektar 100, Zuiko 35-105 1st version (early morning, shot >>> through >>> holtel room window) >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/EU92_16_03.jpg >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Moose" >>> >>>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>>>> I would agree with you. My little 6.3mp Fujifilm F10 has produced >>>>>> some >>>>>> images that just blew me away. After several years of having C41 film >>>>>> processed to CD by a department store lab, I was amazed at the >>>>>> resolution >>>>>> that the little camera provided. >>>>>> >>>> Hardly a fair comparison. Nothing against the F10, I liked mine so much >>>> I went to an F30 and Carol is still using the F10. On the other hand, if >>>> you shot it with the EV setting wrong and a softening filter, then >>>> mis-set contrast in an editor, that would be closer to what was being >>>> done to your film shots. >>>> >>>> The difference between a minilab CD of scanned film images and proper >>>> scans is just enormous. >>>> >>>> Moose > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1837 - Release Date: 12/8/2008 9:38 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 02:40:54 2008 Received: (qmail 14225 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 01:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 01:40:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F072D4303D3 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:40:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D96440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17B234AC043 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:40:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CD434AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:40:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mB91ehvg023364 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:40:43 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB23A48722C2A6-C50-838@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com><493736C2.5070509@chucknorcutt.com><03688210571646668BE3EE92EBAF51AE@jimnichols><49374FE0.3010506@chucknorcutt.com> <493CBD3B.4070808@gmail.com> <18EC455C6D034C17A2C84106F7F4730B@hudson><2863389704734E30A15C1D959B6E5749@main> <493DCA7D.7040101@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:40:40 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 02:40:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493dcca6233881234514069 The pro lab may use sRGB but the minilab use their printer profile. If you send them sRGB file the lab tech will adjust it and the results are usually not as I expected. I used to send file to them with Frontier profile (can be downloaded from Pop photo web site) and ask them to make direct output without any adjustment, it worked very well. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Almost all commercial print labs in the US expect an sRGB image. If you > send them something else they will convert it. > > Chuck Norcutt > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> No, the Fuji minilabs here use Frontier machine, it laser expose the >> regular >> print paper, no inks. I believe all other minilabs use similar technique >> and >> I know an old Agfa machine uses CRT to expose print paper, no ink for all >> small prints >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Hudson" >> >> >>> Don't commercial print labs use the CMYK regimen of print colours and >>> inks? >>> >>> jh >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "C.H.Ling" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:49 AM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... >>> >>> >>>> Yes, the minilab scan has very different color calibration to normal >>>> sRGB, >>>> usually very high sharpening too. A proper scanned and adjusted image >>>> will >>>> be much better, just finished 19 rolls of negatives from a trip to >>>> Europe >>>> in >>>> 1992. Here are two samples: >>>> >>>> Olympus XA, F5.6, Kodak Gold 100-2 >>>> >>>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/EU92_04_15.jpg >>>> >>>> OM40, Kodak Ektar 100, Zuiko 35-105 1st version (early morning, shot >>>> through >>>> holtel room window) >>>> >>>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/EU92_16_03.jpg >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling >>>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 02:43:53 2008 Received: (qmail 32551 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 01:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 01:43:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361E843072C for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E541440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:43:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280AF19FF43 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:43:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209BB19FF3D for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:43:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.226.244]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:43:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [138.23.74.126] ([138.23.74.126]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id DPZ46844 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:43:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493E804B.30184.7633C4@bj.caverock.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:43:45 -0800 References: <493E804B.30184.7633C4@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] not; new blooming flower shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 02:43:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493dcd5927869347015869 On Dec 8, 2008, at 5:27 PM, bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > I have just realised why Siddiq asked if I had used flash for my > delphinium > shots in > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=949&l=96aa7&id=1027725807 > > I had taped a sheet of black velvet cloth to the brick house wall > behind them. > > I have this sheet of velvet in my camera case most of the time and > have > used it for many flower shots both in the field and in the house. > > The photos were taken after sunset ( long twilight now in the summer > here > where these flowers are in Central Otago, New Zealand), or when > there was > cloud and no sun. > > The importance of not having sunlight (or flash) directly on > flowers, is that it > enables better natural colour saturation, and often avoids > reflections and > other phenomena which degrade the image. IMO. a ha! there was enough light for a fairly fast shutter speed and enough to stop down the lens? black velvet, would've never thought of that :) /s -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 02:55:02 2008 Received: (qmail 19012 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 01:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 01:55:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE589430700 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:55:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3C1440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14D334AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:54:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39F634AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:54:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:54:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mB91stuM026762 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:54:55 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <4FF6FF2242984727B5DC0D3A762EB808@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com><493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:54:48 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 02:55:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493dcff68231946193717 For shooting event photo indoor I always use flash, the ambient light and people's position are not always controllable that means you are not able to control the lighting effect you wanted. I will try to use bounce flash where possible and also try to avoid mixed light on people's face, the color temp of flash and ambient are just too far away, it is better to have flash dominant. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Well, like many things, not needing flash is a matter of opinion. This > non-flash shot, for example, shows much considerable harsh shadow under > chins, glasses, some eye sockets and on necks, and cheekbones. All the > light is coming from a point source high high above and to the right and > is not kind to these folks. > > > The flash version has eliminated those shadows (perhaps too much) and > introduced some others behind the folks who are standing close to the > wall. Those shadows are also undesirable but it should be possible to > at least minimize them. > > > I see that the ambient shot was made at 1/60 and f/5.6 at ISO 800. The > flash shot was made at 1/200 and f/10 at ISO 400. For the flash shot > the shutter speed is down 1-2/3 stops, the aperture is down 1-2/3 stops, > and the ISO is down 1 stop for a net decrease of 4-1/3 stops. > > Remember that flash shots are always composed of two exposures... the > ambient exposure and the flash exposure. Since this shot is 4-1/3 stops > down from the correct ambient exposure, if there was no flash there > wouldn't be any exposure. You only need 100% flash in a dark room. > Elsewhere you can take advantage of the ambient light and only use the > flash to make up the deficit. You can also use the flash for fill as in > this case where the overhead light is just as harsh as your undiffused > flash. > > I think you'd have gotten better results if you had maintained your > original shutter speed and aperture of 1/60 and f/5.6 and simply dropped > the ISO to 400 from 800. That would have given you an ambient exposure > one stop down from the needed exposure and the one stop differential > could have been made up with flash. That would have gotten the camera > into its quality comfort zone, shadows under chins, etc would have been > considerably softened but not eliminated and the shadows cast on the > wall behind the folks close to the wall would be considerably softer. > > For an example of balancing flash and ambient with a one stop > differential I point you to this article. > > In this case it's trying to show how to make a proper TTL exposure but > that's really immaterial to the basic notion of ambient one stop under > flash... if you can, of course. > > Dr. Flash > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 03:07:26 2008 Received: (qmail 8535 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 02:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 02:07:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF694303D5 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC1B440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:07:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05E134AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:07:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA5034AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:07:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.150]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:07:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 21so576205eyc.26 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:07:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.174.16 with SMTP id b16mr1501911mup.28.1228788439663; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:07:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:07:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:07:19 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493DC9E3.3000406@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com> <493DC9E3.3000406@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ed315ad05cea6f89 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 03:07:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493dd2de42281591313764 My understanding is that the guy that really "invented" this two-light technique used a medical IV drip stand. Had it's own rollers and those curly hooks for securing the cables. He had the battery pack located at the base so it wouldn't tip over even if he jerked on the sync cord. I've seen this done with a "voice activated, remote control" flash-stand. Basically a Q-flash mounted to a Manfrotto pole. No reflectors, just the round flash AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 04:15:37 2008 Received: (qmail 5088 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 03:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 03:15:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49AD4307F5 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:15:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA8A440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1221534AC043 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:15:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6418234AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:15:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.126]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:15:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 94795 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2008 03:15:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: A5jt_kEVM1l8efCtsyTokG6MDa545O5CC5G12pei9TZgA6dgKTMpCX84_YOwYpdoNYZrbJmKMr1l0BnzW3FbXf9Fe0xtZE_of6AV8yO5UeZOQuXuP76qMvJdlG8QzS7FsUZKQZwQiL7GSNETdwsOOqViX99DG42fVZh2j1sx2aR3nFeBuWUP3XLYfgYI Received: from [71.97.4.235] by web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:15:30 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:15:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <766228.94382.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 04:15:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493de2d966909347015869 =A0=A0 I asked about google not working and such, checked the wife's comput= er, then the daughter's, all had the same problem. Checked the site Marc su= ggested, it said everything was working so it was me. Got the bright idea t= o reset the modem and router and bingo everything is working great. Don't u= nderstand but glad that it's all fine now. Thanks for the help guys. =A0 =A0Jerry Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 07:35:34 2008 Received: (qmail 1524 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 06:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 06:35:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A98430941 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38156440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B84234AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:35:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F0C34AC03B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:35:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:35:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDABC96B5 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:54:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <766228.94382.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:35:23 +0000 References: <766228.94382.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 07:35:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e11b6224351869477228 Does that mean that you leave the gateway ("modem" etc ...) on all the time, Jerry? I switch mine off at night, using a timeswitch, to save energy. This has the added benefit of resetting the system every morning; I rarely have to do an extra reset, unless DHPC gives me a hard time. Chris On 9 Dec 2008, at 03:15, Jerry Smith wrote: > I asked about google not working and such, checked the wife's > computer, then the daughter's, all had the same problem. Checked the > site Marc suggested, it said everything was working so it was me. > Got the bright idea to reset the modem and router and bingo > everything is working great. Don't understand but glad that it's all > fine now. Thanks for the help guys. > > Jerry -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 07:40:02 2008 Received: (qmail 26797 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 06:40:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 06:40:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B890443082B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:40:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A288440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CF134AC040 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:39:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC7C34AC03E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:39:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from lily.dementia.org (LILY.DEMENTIA.ORG [128.2.120.205]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:39:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (md@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lily.dementia.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id mB96dr7D029873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:39:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:39:52 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Dapoz To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] T45 battery pack rebuild X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 07:40:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e12c2275629117217770 On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Ken Norton wrote: > > But I'll attempt the following first: Take utility knife and make many, > many, many slight cuts along the seam until I finally break through. If I > get tired of that, I'll use the cutting disk on the dremel to cut a slot and > pry the beast open. Now I remember how I used to open these things. In addition to the knife I used inward pressure on the seams to help break the bond. There's quite a bit of space behind the case and if you use enough pressure to get it to bend inward a few times you can get it to start to crack. Then use the kinfe to gently pry it apart. Here are a few photos of a pack that I took apart using this method: http://olympus.dementia.org/misc/T-45_Pack-1.jpg http://olympus.dementia.org/misc/T-45_Pack-2.jpg http://olympus.dementia.org/misc/T-45_Pack-3.jpg The edges break nice and clean so that it fits together nicely again. It should only take 5-10 minutes to get the case open. No need to use glue when reassembling it, the clips and screws are enough. > I was going to see if i could stuff a bunch of Eneloops in the thing. If you want the pack to last any length of time get someone to weld tabs to whatever batteries you use. Appying heat directly to the cells to solder wires on to them is a sure way to ruin them. You should only ever solder directly on the tabs. -mark -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 08:11:17 2008 Received: (qmail 19637 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 07:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 07:11:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FFD430825 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:11:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE2A440006 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DECB1CD481 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:11:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DAE1CD482 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:11:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 09 Dec 2008 18:11:04 +1100 Message-ID: <100-061a3e49-37674.008@unixos2.com> From: "Dr Who?" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:11:02 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: Priority: Normal User-Agent: Earth TPortal 4 X-Mailer: Galafrey-loop v92.1 for Tardis18/5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] T45 battery pack rebuild X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 08:11:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e1a15314771023412894 Hi Mark, and Ken, > The edges break nice and clean so that it fits together nicely again. It > should only take 5-10 minutes to get the case open. No need to use glue > when reassembling it, the clips and screws are enough. The glue is to seal the battery case so if you end up with chemical leakage, the rest of the T45 is not damaged. You can probably use some acetone painted on both lips before reassembling, using the clips to ensure joining pressure is applied. Oxymoron: Alone Together -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 09:47:14 2008 Received: (qmail 1581 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 08:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 08:47:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07524303E7 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:47:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75005440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6256134AC046 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:47:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BA134AC040 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:47:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so817370nfc.20 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.192.10 with SMTP id u10mr1592563mup.101.1228812426189; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.102.247.18 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:47:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812090047tbe63c11n805b072a1a106111@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:47:06 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <200812082136.mB8LaFa3007668@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812082136.mB8LaFa3007668@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Google-Sender-Auth: eb1988c9ed9fe33f Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 09:47:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e309256781702588592 OK, I'll bite - why not Fildes's? Or is that considered too awkward? sent from Jez's desk On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Wayne Harridge < wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > Chris Barker wrote: > > > > (nice use of the apostrophe, by the way. Are you sure that you're > > from Oz ? :-)) > > Thanks Chris, I wasn't 100% sure about it, I did consider rewording the > subject line to eliminate the apostrophe ! > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 09:48:50 2008 Received: (qmail 30501 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 08:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 08:48:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEED4302A5 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7825440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E0E19DCF0 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:48:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB3B19DCDE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:48:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27300 invoked by uid 502); 9 Dec 2008 08:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.173.25) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2008 08:48:41 -0000 Message-ID: <493E30E4.7020503@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:48:36 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net><493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> <4D350841AFD14FCE8CD188CCFB5FBC9B@PaulPC><493CAAB2.8030700@gmail.com> <493CB5D4.9010802@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 09:48:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e30f2282737350615338 Paul Laughlin wrote: > My apologies, Moose. Pourquoi? You gave me the chance for a small bit of fun - two, once AG chimed in. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 09:50:10 2008 Received: (qmail 20030 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 08:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 08:50:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7397C4303DE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:50:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEDA440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0AD19DCF0 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:50:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F7B19DCED for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:50:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so886116ugf.21 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.222.1 with SMTP id z1mr1593497muq.100.1228812600696; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:50:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.102.247.18 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:50:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812090050y31259128sab44797eed8b1f23@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:50:00 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74D3.3040802@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b3216faafceec84e Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ot image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 09:50:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e3142324589117217770 Yup, if you can do that with PSE (no, I know it was the photographer, not the s/w) then you don't need PS. I too only use PSE6 now. In fact most of what I need is in the ACR raw converter - if only it could print..! Jez On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Brent wrote: > Hi > > Another OT image, or perhaps OTT (over the top) - heavily adjusted in > Photoshop as I was having a bit of a play with PhotoShop Elements to > see if I could get away with not buying the full version - this one > taken on my wife's new camera (EOS 40D), and her 24-70L lens. > > http://phogra.com/g/v/Canon/Decay.html > > Factory in Sydney seen as we were scurrying our way home to avoid an > impending thunderstorm. > > Brent > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 09:53:16 2008 Received: (qmail 15892 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 08:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 08:53:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A4D4303DE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:53:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB061440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C04234AC040 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:53:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC5734AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:53:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:53:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so886821ugf.21 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.248.17 with SMTP id a17mr1594699mus.97.1228812788535; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.102.247.18 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:53:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812090053ma09e94drb8da905075e3d8a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:53:08 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081208165614.0112e608@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081208165614.0112e608@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 68a3d54d88c1fe41 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti Camera Review on Zone-10 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 09:53:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e31fc229982046811720 I would also think about taking your passport and some clean underwear... Jez At 04:55 PM 12/6/2008, AG wrote: > > >As crazy as it sounds at first, I'd actually consider backpacking with > just > >the OM-3Ti and 35-80 zoom. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 10:00:55 2008 Received: (qmail 26831 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 09:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 09:00:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835144303FE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93508440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F2534AC040 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:00:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219B234AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:00:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.146]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 21so617327eyc.26 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.11.5 with SMTP id o5mr1602762mui.75.1228813246390; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.102.247.18 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:00:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812090100g5a29b262ka778246f6118598d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:00:46 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <132786.4096.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9f07ac840812080829x53ce4e21x1cbe23a1aec31ba0@mail.gmail.com> <132786.4096.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c0beafb82b45eb95 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] On free film... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 10:00:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e33c7201982070262475 Correct - and for the down-underers among us, that curved building on the left is the Oz embassy... Jez On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:08 PM, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > Within a few hundred yards/metres of the Statue of Liberty I believe :-O > > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK > > > --- On Mon, 8/12/08, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > > From: Jez Cunningham > > >From the Eiffel Tower I think - there's no hotel > > there tall enough for that > > view... > > Cordialement, jez > >> > > > > OM40, Kodak Ektar 100, Zuiko 35-105 1st version (early > > morning, shot > > > through > > > holtel room window) > > > > > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/EU92_16_03.jpg > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 11:55:05 2008 Received: (qmail 14844 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 10:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 10:55:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3467430432 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24936440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:54:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCC919E123 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:54:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B8719E0B6 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:54:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out2.tiscali.nl (smtp-out2.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:54:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out2.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LA0Et-0005Jy-VF for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:54:52 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:54:40 +0100 Message-ID: References: <493DBA84.40709@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <493DBA84.40709@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] T45 battery pack rebuild / also: FS Quantum Turbo X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 11:55:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e4e89305662070262475 Tim Hughes wrote (four years ago): >I would recommend >you do not use NiMh cells as the charger will damage them quickly. I did use NiMH cells, but indeed I rebuilt the charger too to prevent damaging those cells. I was glad I had a reason to, because the original T-45 charger is one of the poorest electric (rather than electronic! designs I have ever seen. Very old-fashioned, and never improved although much better charging techniques had been developed since years. IMO The old charger is also lifethreatening to the NiCad cells! This is what I did: First I removed all of the electrical parts inside. Good riddance! Then I put the replacement in: one small circuit board from a state of art Ericsson cell phone desk charger, designed to recharge NiMH 4-cell batteries in a sophisticated way. (My old Ericsson SH888 also used 4-cell NiMH packs) On the front panel I mounted a 6-position rotating switch to connect the charger electronics to the five 4-cell batteries inside the pack one after another. Sixth position was for 'off'. A LED which was part of the Ericsson charger showed red when charging and green when ready. When green I turned the knob one position to have the next battery (of five) charged. Charging worked like a dream, but it asked some attention, i.e. to turn the knob. OTOH the old and poorly built charger asked for attention too: it could be very harmful to leave it switched on when the cells were charged - and there was no proper way to tell if they were! BTW: (For T-45 owners) I do have a redundant Quantum Turbo set for sale. In good condition, bur it might need new cells in one or two years from now. They can be easily replaced. I also have two brandnew Quantum 1+ packs (for 6 volt appliances). When interested, let me know off list. Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 12:13:29 2008 Received: (qmail 17413 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 11:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 11:13:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96C8430440 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FD6440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A32819E1B6 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:13:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB5D19E1AE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:13:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out2.tiscali.nl (smtp-out2.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out2.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LA0Wp-0002QV-3X for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:13:23 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:13:13 +0100 Message-ID: References: <493DBA84.40709@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] T45 battery pack rebuild / also: FS Quantum Turbo X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 12:13:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e52d9227018512572685 I forgot to tell in my earlier posting: the NiMH cells I needed were also taken from 4 cell mobile phone battery packs. To be had very cheap, in particular of phone models not longer being used... and the cells do have the tabs you will need to solder them together. I still use those cells for many replacement purposes. Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 12:42:33 2008 Received: (qmail 4164 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 11:42:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 11:42:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C0F43044E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFEF440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:42:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C740919E2B1 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:42:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.776 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.776 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_NONELEMENT_30_40=1.775] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE1719E29D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:42:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6112.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 330861C00082 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:42:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from wwinf6103 (wwinf6103 [172.22.153.30]) by mwinf6112.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2A0491C00081 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:42:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081209114223172.2A0491C00081@mwinf6112.online.nl From: wiliam Wagenaar To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [145.50.39.11] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:42:23 +0100 (CET) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 12:42:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e59a9254577350615338 My modem/gateway is on 24/7 because it also facilitates my IP telephone. Maybe it's the same for Jerry. Wiliam > Datum: 09/12/08 07:35 AM > Van: "Chris Barker" > Aan: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > CC: > Onderwerp : Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on > > Does that mean that you leave the gateway ("modem" etc ...) on all the > time, Jerry? I switch mine off at night, using a timeswitch, to save > energy. This has the added benefit of resetting the system every > morning; I rarely have to do an extra reset, unless DHPC gives me a > hard time. > > Chris > > On 9 Dec 2008, at 03:15, Jerry Smith wrote: > > > I asked about google not working and such, checked the wife's > > computer, then the daughter's, all had the same problem. Checked the > > site Marc suggested, it said everything was working so it was me. > > Got the bright idea to reset the modem and router and bingo > > everything is working great. Don't understand but glad that it's all > > fine now. Thanks for the help guys. > > > > Jerry > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 13:15:40 2008 Received: (qmail 31111 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 12:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 12:15:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DD1430889 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0376440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DFB34AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:15:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4865234AC03B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:15:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:15:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E864615A1 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:32:39 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840812090047tbe63c11n805b072a1a106111@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:15:30 +0000 References: <200812082136.mB8LaFa3007668@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> <9f07ac840812090047tbe63c11n805b072a1a106111@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 13:15:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e616c162761585427447 I'm sure that it would be purely a matter of style, Jez. "Fildes's" would have been fine, but there is something more elegant, for me, in the simpler form. Jez's sounds good, though. I suppose that that's because the "z" might be deemed a harder sound. Chris On 9 Dec 2008, at 08:47, Jez Cunningham wrote: > OK, I'll bite - why not Fildes's? Or is that considered too awkward? > > sent from Jez's desk -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 13:51:40 2008 Received: (qmail 1432 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 12:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 12:51:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3863043088F for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDC4440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:51:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DAD19E57C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:51:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D4D19E579 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:51:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E33D461419 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:08:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:51:32 +0000 References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 13:51:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e69dc81389117217770 That would make sense to me, Wiliam. My telephone is a normal landline, a DECT network in the house. That means that I can switch off all Internet-related gizmos at night. Chris On 9 Dec 2008, at 11:42, wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > My modem/gateway is on 24/7 because it also facilitates my IP > telephone. Maybe it's the same for Jerry. > > Wiliam -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 14:33:35 2008 Received: (qmail 15930 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 13:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 13:33:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B05043041F for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFF7440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1190234AC03B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:33:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.817 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.817 required=7 tests=[MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.819, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE70934AC043 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:33:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 10 Dec 2008 00:33:23 +1100 Message-ID: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "OM List" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:33:22 +1100 (EDT) Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 14:33:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e73af89881234514069 Hi, I've always used dcraw to convert *.ORF files to TIFF but decided to install Olympus Master 2 on my wifes spare Mac to see if I'm missing anything. I clicked on Software Update in OM2 (Olympus Master 2 - gedit ;-)) and the software tells me I have to be logged in as an Administator to install/check/somthing software. Checked and I the login I'm using is ticked as administrator of that Mac. I logged in as root anyway, (which is a hacked account I made to stop the Mac asking me for password all the time), and it still gives me the same message. Any Mac users out there come across this ? Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- F. P. Jones -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 14:43:14 2008 Received: (qmail 31675 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 13:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 13:43:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BCA430431 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:43:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A540A440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:43:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AE519E7AE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:43:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9371619E7AF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:43:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.191]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:43:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so344800gve.21 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:43:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.70.3 with SMTP id s3mr19943fga.25.1228830185003; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:43:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.49.18 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:43:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812090543i3ba8e98dn55b8e181a734f5be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:43:04 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 44bad4d777927248 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 14:43:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e75f279191257536491 I think my network is busier at night than during the day! - backups and archiving, updates, indexing, ... Jez On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > That would make sense to me, Wiliam. My telephone is a normal > landline, a DECT network in the house. That means that I can switch > off all Internet-related gizmos at night. > > Chris > > On 9 Dec 2008, at 11:42, wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > > > My modem/gateway is on 24/7 because it also facilitates my IP > > telephone. Maybe it's the same for Jerry. > > > > Wiliam > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 14:46:59 2008 Received: (qmail 28773 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 13:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 13:46:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF16B430876 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:46:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607BB440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3B034AC043 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:46:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860E134AC03B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:46:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:46:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBM00FRT3LP8JC0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:46:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:46:47 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <493E76C7.60509@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] T45 battery pack rebuild X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 14:46:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e76d36861702588592 Casing halves are glued together at the factory (maybe cus olympus thought no one would ever want to open it). You will have to cut along the seam or try to pop them apart in an effort to retain the casing lip that is on one side (IIRC). ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Ken Norton wrote: > I'm NOT ignoring Chuck's advice--have ebay will buy.... > But, I'd still like to see if I can rip this pack apart and possibly replace > the cells. I like the idea of the self-contained aspect of this flash for > low-volume shooting where I might not necessarily want something else tying > me down. It pains me to have something as brilliantly designed as this, > dead as a doorknob. So here goes: > > 1. There are two screws down at the terminal end - Removed > 2. There is a faux leatherette cap on the bottom - Removed > 3. Under the faux leatherette cap are two metal holder clips - Removed > 4. The shell of the battery is built in two halves, but are not separating. > This is where I am stuck. I've tried prying them apart but haven't "forced" > the issue too much yet. But I'm not getting anywhere. > > Now, there is a possibility that somebody had glued the shell together, and > if that's the case then I'll just have to resort to firing up the dremel. > But I'm hoping for some hidden "Indiana Jones" type of soft spot to press > that releases the locks. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 14:59:03 2008 Received: (qmail 1150 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 13:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 13:59:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC99430831 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:59:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CAE440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884DC34AC03B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:58:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0039934AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:58:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBM00IGL45V2HM3@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:58:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:58:53 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <493E799D.6030407@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] T45 battery pack rebuild X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 14:59:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e79a765651035110158 To have the casing in the best condition for re-assembly try cutting in only one or two places, then popping the case open with a little prying. Some replacement cells are just a tad larger than the originals. All the cell assemblies have to fit in the original places and it is best if the battery is not bulging in any way after reassembly. Bulging will make it difficult to get into and out of the grip and charger. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Ken Norton wrote: > So, based on the information that the shell is lightly glued, I shall work > slowly with it and must have patience. This will be a multi-evening project > I can tell. No problem. I can see why John doesn't touch them, though. > If patience runs out, I'll use the tried and true method of cracking these > cases open--a bigger hammer! > > But I'll attempt the following first: Take utility knife and make many, > many, many slight cuts along the seam until I finally break through. If I > get tired of that, I'll use the cutting disk on the dremel to cut a slot and > pry the beast open. > > I was going to see if i could stuff a bunch of Eneloops in the thing. > > Meanwhile, trolling the 'bay for quantum stuff. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 15:01:54 2008 Received: (qmail 491 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 14:01:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 14:01:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDED430836 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DCD440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B184E19E857 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:01:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE98919E835 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:01:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.19.47]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBM00FMC4AP8ZE0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:01:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:01:47 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <493DBA84.40709@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <493E7A4B.6030209@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <493DBA84.40709@chucknorcutt.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] T45 battery pack rebuild X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 15:01:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e7a5226541234514069 Yes, very important. Pretest all your cells before assembly to be sure they will all take a charge. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Quoting a note from Tim Hughes from 4 years ago on T45 rebuilds > > Chuck Norcutt > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:18:52 -0800 (PST) > From: Tim Hughes > Subject: [OM] Re: T45 -- my solution > > Here are the links to my schematic: > http://olympus.dementia.org/Hardware/PDFs/T45_Chrg_1_0.pdf > > And Bruce's physical layout sketch. > http://olympus.dementia.org/Hardware/misc/T45_nicad.jpg > > The reason your flash worked partly is that at least one of the strings > of cells, probably only has a single defective cell. This allows that > invertor to charge up the flash cap to a lower voltage where it can > still be triggered albeit with low light etc. > > > The cost to have the pack repaired is high because of tedious labour and > large number of cells. With care you can cut open the pack along the > seams with a dremel cut blade (best) or a fine point dremel diamond > coated bit or even with the tip of a fine soldering iron. > > If you do, do it yourself you need to find a source of tabbed cells. You > need to replace all cells, as mixing old and new ones does not last > long. My favourite place to deal with is the NiCdLady in southern CA. If > you ask nicely they will usually do the tabs for free, even though they > list a small fee for tabbing. You still have to cut the tabs and solder > the cells together and fit it all in the small space. I would recommend > you do not use NiMh cells as the charger will damage them quickly. > > An alternative to replacing the NiCd cells would be to use just two > Hawker Sealed Pb, D cells connected in series and hook them up to all > the + terminals in parallel. You would have to make some sort of adapter > connector. Although a pair of these D cells can fit inside the handle, > you would have to figure out how to hold them in. You would also have > to make a voltage regulated charger with a voltage of exactly 4.7V. So > this is only an option if you have electronics skills. One advantage is > the hawker cells are about $6 ea ($12 tot), so a bit cheaper, although > you will not get so many flashes out, You could make 2 or three packs > for the cost of a single set of NiCd's. > Beware of shorting the hawker cells they can deliver about 180A into a > short causing things to glow red hot. > > Regards, > Tim Hughes > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Mark Dapoz wrote: >> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Ken Norton wrote: >> >>> 4. The shell of the battery is built in two halves, but are not separating. >>> This is where I am stuck. I've tried prying them apart but haven't "forced" >>> the issue too much yet. But I'm not getting anywhere. >> Yes, it's lightly glued along the edges. If you work slowly with a very >> sharp utility knife you can separate the two halves without damaging the >> case. A little bit of twisting of the pack also helps to break the bond. >> When done you'll need 20 AA's to rebuild it and a bit of time to put it >> all together. Get AA's with tabs welded 90 degrees to each other, it >> makes assembling the pack easier. >> -mark >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1837 - Release Date: 12/8/2008 9:38 AM >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 15:24:05 2008 Received: (qmail 23363 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 14:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 14:24:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDE343044D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1DF440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D8134AC040 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:24:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D3534AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:23:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out0.tiscali.nl (smtp-out0.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out0.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LA3VF-0001jy-BE for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:23:57 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:23:45 +0100 Message-ID: References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 15:24:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e7f85112483675314703 I have a combination of both. Outgoing calls through VOIP (free of charge to all national landline numbers), incoming calls via PSTN. Two DECT networks are on both voice ports of my modem . When the internet is unvailable or the modem is switched off all outgoing calls go automatically to the PSTN-port instead of the VOIP connection. But in case of a power failure I would first have to find a candle and matches, then fetch an old non-powered phone from the barn and connect it directly to the landline... it hasn't occurred for years though. Anyway, like Wiliam's my modem is always on. Too much trouble to walk to the utilities cupboard where it is positioned at least twice a day. And each time it takes two or three minutes to boot... Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:51:32 +0000, Chris Barker wrote: >That would make sense to me, Wiliam. My telephone is a normal >landline, a DECT network in the house. That means that I can switch >off all Internet-related gizmos at night. > >Chris > >On 9 Dec 2008, at 11:42, wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > >> My modem/gateway is on 24/7 because it also facilitates my IP >> telephone. Maybe it's the same for Jerry. >> >> Wiliam -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 15:26:55 2008 Received: (qmail 4277 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 14:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 14:26:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC42843084A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:26:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1D2440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:26:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC8634AC040 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:26:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1489D34AC03B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:26:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:26:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E12461517 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:43:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:26:44 +0000 References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 15:26:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e802f166243675314703 Tsk, Frank. Too much trouble? You could use a time switch. We'll never save the world from climate change without something like that ... Chris On 9 Dec 2008, at 14:23, Frank van Lindert wrote: > Anyway, like Wiliam's my modem is always on. Too much trouble to walk > to the utilities cupboard where it is positioned at least twice a day. > And each time it takes two or three minutes to boot... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 15:28:36 2008 Received: (qmail 8386 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 14:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 14:28:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B74430889 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1487D440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A9019E8E1 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:28:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E0D19E8F5 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:28:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73314615B0 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:45:38 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:28:29 +0000 References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 15:28:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e8094131601838542571 Yes. It is extremely frustrating. I think that I solved the problem by updating Master 2, or deleting the preferences file or something. Anyway, I can do the updates now. I recommend Aperture for your .ORF files ... Chris On 9 Dec 2008, at 13:33, Ian Manners wrote: > > I clicked on Software Update in OM2 (Olympus Master 2 - gedit ;-)) > and the software tells me I have to be logged in as an Administator > to install/check/somthing software. Checked and I the login I'm > using is ticked as administrator of that Mac. I logged in as root > anyway, (which is a hacked account I made to stop the Mac asking > me for password all the time), and it still gives me the same message. > > Any Mac users out there come across this ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 15:31:45 2008 Received: (qmail 26005 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 14:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 14:31:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664E843084A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C53C440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:31:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E76734AC043 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:31:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8563434AC046 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:31:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.154]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so669535ywa.80 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.94.11 with SMTP id r11mr61681fgb.11.1228833099145; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.49.18 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:31:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812090631q10cbf04ax7eddc188966771a5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:31:39 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5c475992ca67c160 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 15:31:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e8151229391073733319 Uh-oh - a climate change thread developing :-( Time to go lurking... On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Tsk, Frank. Too much trouble? You could use a time switch. We'll > never save the world from climate change without something like that ... > > Chris > > On 9 Dec 2008, at 14:23, Frank van Lindert wrote: > > > Anyway, like Wiliam's my modem is always on. Too much trouble to walk > > to the utilities cupboard where it is positioned at least twice a day. > > And each time it takes two or three minutes to boot... > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 15:37:38 2008 Received: (qmail 25047 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 14:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 14:37:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEDC4308F6 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9811B440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F4934AC040 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:37:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.595 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.595 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD6634AC049 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:37:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 13 days 02:55:36 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:36:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-9-30.iburst.co.za ([41.213.9.30]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 546 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:45:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:36:48 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 15:37:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e82b25469347015869 Hi Everybody, This is just a general ramble - but this day I spent some time properly comparing (from a usage standpoint) the two combinations mentioned in the header. Ever since I got the 90/2.0 Macro, it basically lives on my OM-1, and the OM-1 is now my only compact camera. This post is much in the spirit of an earlier message (by AG Schnozz, I think) where he lamented that we are selling our souls by giving up equipment of this class for better megapixels and plastic bodies. First of all, and as a long-time user of Canon "L" lenses, I never, never had any idea a lens from the 1980s could be so utterly spactacular as the 90/2.0 Macro. Not only an impeccable solid build quality which makes the ZD 50/2.0 feel a bit like a (rather nice) toy, but the performance is astounding. I rarely shoot it below f/2.0 - and at all distances between 1:2 and around 10m (where I use it at) it is quite simply perfect. I only shoot B&W with it, and with Ilford FP4 the images pop like I have only seen... well, I have never seen any of my 35mm images pop like this, save perhaps for Canon's 200mm f/2.8L. But that is not what this post is about. I have a matte (1-8) focusing screen in the OM-1n, and there is simply no comparing the brightness and focusing accuracy of using this combination when we compare it to the dinky viewfinder of the E-3. Amazing accomplishment as the E-3 is, it is dinky in comparison. The E-3 may be ergonomically designed, but it does not fall to the hand like the OM-1/90mm combo - not even by a long shot. In anyway, an E-3 *needs* to be ergonomically shaped to "fit the hand" when you have to drive all of 50 buttons. People, why have we diverged so much from the minimalism and pureness of photography? Why did digital capture also imply the (severe) loss in build and materials quality, as well as the cluttering of the photographic process? Could olympus have taken the OM system into the digital era, maintaining the pure minimalism and superior build, amazing viewfinder, and all the virtues that make this system so great? Could they have succeeded (with clever marketing) where Leica sort-of fails, to maintain a niche for those people who do not want the DSLR wunderbricks to clutter up their photographic process? Why does digital = autofocus and a million other functions. Why can't digital be minimalist? Who knows... But what I do know, is that the modern equivalent, an E-3 with a ZD 50mm macro, just doesn't cut it. It's just not the same to use... Something - something massive - got lost. And I fear that once we stop playing with these old cameras, we may never get it back. P.S. I hate to get into film vs digital battles, but I have demonstrated to myself that, for the same careful shot, at the same place, at the same time of day, my OM-1n + 50mm f/1.4 > 1mil resolves more detail, and has higher dynamic range, shooting FP4 B&W than what I could pull out of my Canon EOS 1D MkIIN (a camera with astoundingly sharp pixels due to basically no AA filter) with the EF 50mm f/1.2L (B&W) - the best I could do, and I have years of experience pulling the best from a RAW file. Why can't I show this to you? At this moment in time, I have no digital capture device or scanner, only wet darkroom for the OM and Mamiya stuff. But I am having a heck of a good time :-) And since I convinced myself, I have no need to convince you, we all know what is involved on each side of the digital fence. People, enjoy your OM gear! It *is* special. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 15:43:41 2008 Received: (qmail 22563 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 14:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 14:43:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1E043093A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:43:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49042440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:43:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC7234AC043 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:43:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1DD34AC03B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:43:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mho-01-bos.mailhop.org (mho-01-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.178]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from aste-genev-bois-153-1-11-44.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr ([83.112.73.44] helo=[192.168.147.109]) by mho-01-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1LA3oC-0004fF-41 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:43:32 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 83.112.73.44 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX184pxJlghnGuFN3NeCqlG3U Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840812090631q10cbf04ax7eddc188966771a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> <9f07ac840812090631q10cbf04ax7eddc188966771a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <51569567-F7EE-4901-BECF-D95961581737@thomasclausen.org> From: Thomas Heide Clausen Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:43:44 +0100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 15:43:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e841d68271823421471 Any mentions of SUVs, and I'll go ballistic (for that matter, any mention of ballistics-related tools will incur the same) List Mom On Dec 9, 2008, at 15:31 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > Uh-oh - a climate change thread developing :-( > Time to go lurking... > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Chris Barker > wrote: > >> Tsk, Frank. Too much trouble? You could use a time switch. We'll >> never save the world from climate change without something like >> that ... >> >> Chris >> >> On 9 Dec 2008, at 14:23, Frank van Lindert wrote: >> >>> Anyway, like Wiliam's my modem is always on. Too much trouble to >>> walk >>> to the utilities cupboard where it is positioned at least twice a >>> day. >>> And each time it takes two or three minutes to boot... >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 15:48:12 2008 Received: (qmail 5237 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 14:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 14:48:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4733430889 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872D5440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:48:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6234734AC049 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:48:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBEA34AC043 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:48:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:48:04 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id mB9Em1kG006974 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:48:03 GMT Message-ID: <491832BF60864218A5A2E6282129ABD7@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103><9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net><749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net><9f07ac840812090631q10cbf04ax7eddc188966771a5@mail.gmail.com> <51569567-F7EE-4901-BECF-D95961581737@thomasclausen.org> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:48:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 15:48:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e852c132711946193717 Thomas, I would like to thank you for getting me back on the OM list after I changed ISPs. I have to assume you took some action, since I had no success with my own efforts. My access to the Leica Users Group (LUG) is still being blocked as spam. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Heide Clausen" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on > Any mentions of SUVs, and I'll go ballistic (for that matter, any > mention of ballistics-related tools will incur the same) > > List Mom > > On Dec 9, 2008, at 15:31 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > >> Uh-oh - a climate change thread developing :-( >> Time to go lurking... >> >> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Chris Barker >> wrote: >> >>> Tsk, Frank. Too much trouble? You could use a time switch. We'll >>> never save the world from climate change without something like >>> that ... >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 9 Dec 2008, at 14:23, Frank van Lindert wrote: >>> >>>> Anyway, like Wiliam's my modem is always on. Too much trouble to >>>> walk >>>> to the utilities cupboard where it is positioned at least twice a >>>> day. >>>> And each time it takes two or three minutes to boot... >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 15:52:56 2008 Received: (qmail 20718 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 14:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 14:52:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D093843090A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:52:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7237F440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:52:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A3D19E9B5 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:52:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97A619E9B1 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:52:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A2D4615E2 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:09:55 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:52:46 +0000 References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 15:52:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e8648220681585427447 Ian I've just checked the firmware of my E-3 and E-420 and each works fine with my iMac running Master 2.05. I think that it was the update to 2.05 that resolved the administrator glitch. Chris On 9 Dec 2008, at 13:33, Ian Manners wrote: > I've always used dcraw to convert *.ORF files to TIFF but > decided to install Olympus Master 2 on my wifes spare > Mac to see if I'm missing anything. > > I clicked on Software Update in OM2 (Olympus Master 2 - gedit ;-)) > and the software tells me I have to be logged in as an Administator > to install/check/somthing software. Checked and I the login I'm > using is ticked as administrator of that Mac. I logged in as root > anyway, (which is a hacked account I made to stop the Mac asking > me for password all the time), and it still gives me the same message. > > Any Mac users out there come across this ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 15:57:11 2008 Received: (qmail 755 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 14:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 14:57:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FC3430935 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:57:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CECB5440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:57:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE6A19E9BE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:57:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A9119E9B9 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:57:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-qy0-f12.google.com (mail-qy0-f12.google.com [209.85.221.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk5 with SMTP id 5so1820139qyk.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.172.7 with SMTP id z7mr82417muo.129.1228834623300; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.102.247.18 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:57:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812090657v6a4fb20an8f024473a3b64beb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:57:03 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <491832BF60864218A5A2E6282129ABD7@jimnichols> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> <9f07ac840812090631q10cbf04ax7eddc188966771a5@mail.gmail.com> <51569567-F7EE-4901-BECF-D95961581737@thomasclausen.org> <491832BF60864218A5A2E6282129ABD7@jimnichols> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c6785e62d06f3a87 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 15:57:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e8747248281234514069 All is fine then :-) On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > My access to the Leica Users Group (LUG) is still being blocked as spam. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 16:08:24 2008 Received: (qmail 31701 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 15:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 15:08:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBED43092D for ; 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Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:08:15 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 83.112.73.44 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX18N1+topasZbvDJHyVzEgSa In-Reply-To: <491832BF60864218A5A2E6282129ABD7@jimnichols> References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> <9f07ac840812090631q10cbf04ax7eddc188966771a5@mail.gmail.com> <51569567-F7EE-4901-BECF-D95961581737@thomasclausen.org> <491832BF60864218A5A2E6282129ABD7@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: From: Thomas Heide Clausen Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:08:29 +0100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 16:08:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e89e8144642336821329 Hey, no sweat, that's my job. As for the LUG, my advice is to stop using Leicas ;) Thomas On Dec 9, 2008, at 15:48 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Thomas, > > I would like to thank you for getting me back on the OM list after > I changed > ISPs. I have to assume you took some action, since I had no > success with my > own efforts. > > My access to the Leica Users Group (LUG) is still being blocked as > spam. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Heide Clausen" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on > > >> Any mentions of SUVs, and I'll go ballistic (for that matter, any >> mention of ballistics-related tools will incur the same) >> >> List Mom >> >> On Dec 9, 2008, at 15:31 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: >> >>> Uh-oh - a climate change thread developing :-( >>> Time to go lurking... >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Chris Barker >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Tsk, Frank. Too much trouble? You could use a time switch. We'll >>>> never save the world from climate change without something like >>>> that ... >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> On 9 Dec 2008, at 14:23, Frank van Lindert wrote: >>>> >>>>> Anyway, like Wiliam's my modem is always on. Too much trouble to >>>>> walk >>>>> to the utilities cupboard where it is positioned at least twice a >>>>> day. >>>>> And each time it takes two or three minutes to boot... >>>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 16:21:50 2008 Received: (qmail 2609 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 15:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 15:21:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EFA4308F4 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:21:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB99B440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB1E34AC03B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:21:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A3034AC043 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:21:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-qy0-f12.google.com (mail-qy0-f12.google.com [209.85.221.12]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk5 with SMTP id 5so17681qyk.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.161.16 with SMTP id n16mr102056muo.79.1228836099315; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:21:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:21:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:21:39 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b8290ced534fce30 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 16:21:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e8d0e312821470116606 APPLAUSE!!!!!! Well said, Dawid. Yesterday, I was lamenting to an E-3 shooting friend that I'm feeling a bit left behind now since Joel Wilcox announced his purchase of an E-3. This means all my Iowa shooting buddies are all driving "new shiny megapixels" except me. I was feeling like the poor cousin driving the high-mileage E-1. Then he said "Nah, your more like the cool uncle with the classic cars." I rather like that perspective! Especially since there is this newly arrived 300/4.5 with as much chrome as a 1962 Buick Special. Uncle Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 16:25:40 2008 Received: (qmail 31780 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 15:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 15:25:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119CD43044A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:25:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5238E440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4175B19EA9B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:25:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909A619EA96 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:25:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-qy0-f12.google.com (mail-qy0-f12.google.com [209.85.221.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:25:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk5 with SMTP id 5so24945qyk.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.92.8 with SMTP id u8mr111674mul.34.1228836332626; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:25:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:25:32 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> <9f07ac840812090631q10cbf04ax7eddc188966771a5@mail.gmail.com> <51569567-F7EE-4901-BECF-D95961581737@thomasclausen.org> <491832BF60864218A5A2E6282129ABD7@jimnichols> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bdcc5e634e655063 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 16:25:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e8df423711869477228 > > As for the LUG, my advice is to stop using Leicas ;) > Talk about stating the obvious! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 16:26:48 2008 Received: (qmail 5873 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 15:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 15:26:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18720430830 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:26:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FC5440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:26:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B3D19EAB3 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:26:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC9B19EA9A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:26:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mho-02-bos.mailhop.org (mho-02-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.179]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from aste-genev-bois-153-1-11-44.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr ([83.112.73.44] helo=[192.168.147.109]) by mho-02-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1LA4Tx-000I6f-1G for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:26:41 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 83.112.73.44 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1+amZPM7qFhRStGHIie66Qz Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> <9f07ac840812090631q10cbf04ax7eddc188966771a5@mail.gmail.com> <51569567-F7EE-4901-BECF-D95961581737@thomasclausen.org> <491832BF60864218A5A2E6282129ABD7@jimnichols> Message-Id: <628F65ED-905E-4A62-9804-0165F724E337@ThomasClausen.org> From: Thomas Heide Clausen Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:26:54 +0100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 16:26:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e8e38144989347015869 On Dec 9, 2008, at 16:25 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> As for the LUG, my advice is to stop using Leicas ;) >> > > > Talk about stating the obvious! > > AG At some point, that's all one becomes capable of, AG. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 16:27:53 2008 Received: (qmail 10033 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 15:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 15:27:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ECC430939 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818BE440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:27:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7532434AC048 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:27:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1C834AC040 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:27:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.144]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:27:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so6700qwj.26 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:27:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.222.1 with SMTP id z1mr110272muq.51.1228836466399; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:27:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:27:46 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840812090047tbe63c11n805b072a1a106111@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812082136.mB8LaFa3007668@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> <9f07ac840812090047tbe63c11n805b072a1a106111@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6d21b34ac6afef9d Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 16:27:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e8e79288991869477228 > > OK, I'll bite - why not Fildes's? Or is that considered too awkward? > A person could sprain a lip. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 16:28:24 2008 Received: (qmail 25444 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 15:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 15:28:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC03D4308F2 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:28:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59235440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4683F19EAC7 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:28:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEC119EAC1 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 16:28:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e8e98305662070262475 Good man, Thomas; on each count :-) Chris On 9 Dec 2008, at 15:08, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > Hey, no sweat, that's my job. > > As for the LUG, my advice is to stop using Leicas ;) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 16:33:31 2008 Received: (qmail 5609 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 15:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 15:33:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C603430876 for ; 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Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.92.8 with SMTP id u8mr115409mul.34.1228836803179; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:33:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:33:23 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6af630f2fae87cd5 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 16:33:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e8fcb138894673671140 Just a note on DCRAW conversions with Oly files. When dealing with saturated yellows and oranges, DCRAW will tend to create a checkerboard pattern in the highlights. This is particularily harsh with the E-1, but I believe other bodies (specifically the Kodak sensored ones) will do this too. Rumor has it, it's because the RGBG pattern is actually reversed in the Olympus. Instead of RGBG, its GRGB. Inotherwords, the mapping start point is off in DCRAW. Initially, ACR hadthis problem. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 16:35:28 2008 Received: (qmail 10454 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 15:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 15:35:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC55430831 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2BA440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E991819EB1D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:35:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678C019EB20 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:35:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 57D9FC2FN0 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:35:18 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:35:19 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <51569567-F7EE-4901-BECF-D95961581737@thomasclausen.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on Thread-Index: AclaDIrsbz2A0WR6RXaJNLGnd6CtGgABxZrQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2008 15:35:18.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD8AD2C0:01C95A13] Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 16:35:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e9040118471993019900 (for that matter, any mention of ballistics-related tools will incur the same) List Mom I used to help build torpedoes.... 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When dealing with > saturated yellows and oranges, DCRAW will tend to create a checkerboard > pattern in the highlights. This is particularily harsh with the E-1, but I > believe other bodies (specifically the Kodak sensored ones) will do this > too. Hmm, thats good, I wasnt sure if it was me in my old age or not, thats the other reason I thought I would look at OM2, to see if it was DCRaw or me :-) Much thanks for that. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ "Could you continue your petty bickering? I find it most intriguing." -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 17:06:53 2008 Received: (qmail 29717 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 16:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 16:06:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA22B4308AA for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:06:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D813440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC9634AC065 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:06:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0240434AC04D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:06:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:06:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LA56h-0006lC-A4 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:06:43 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:06:31 +0100 Message-ID: <655tj4l00d4kh1rq979fhis9k2ciunthgt@4ax.com> References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 17:06:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e979d67309117217770 Hi Chris. Of course I have thought that over - you know my professional interest in weather and climate. In summertime you certainly have a point, because the heat developed by the modem is not needed. On the contrary: my air conditioning system has to work much harder to remove the heat excess ;-) But during the rest of the year all heat developed by the modem (and also that of the soon to be banned tungsten lamps!) is not to be regarded as a complete loss or waste: the central heating thermostat will take it into account properly and close the gas or hot water valves to compensate. Of course I understand that you are prompting me to to mention the bad effect of air transport on climate. Well, I won't: you had better do it yourself. ;-) Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:26:44 +0000, Chris Barker wrote: >Tsk, Frank. Too much trouble? You could use a time switch. We'll >never save the world from climate change without something like that ... > >Chris > >On 9 Dec 2008, at 14:23, Frank van Lindert wrote: > >> Anyway, like Wiliam's my modem is always on. Too much trouble to walk >> to the utilities cupboard where it is positioned at least twice a day. >> And each time it takes two or three minutes to boot... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 17:08:09 2008 Received: (qmail 5080 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 16:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 16:08:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBC0430950 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:08:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E06440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A429719EC76 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:08:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264A919EC6D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:08:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-qy0-f12.google.com (mail-qy0-f12.google.com [209.85.221.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk5 with SMTP id 5so104094qyk.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.173.5 with SMTP id a5mr128442mup.57.1228838879125; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 12sm188175muq.10.2008.12.09.08.07.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:07:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:07:57 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 17:08:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e97e9140829347015869 Due to our house renovations going well over budget, yep poor quality and they overcharge you for it - then they expect you to thank them for it, I am imposing a ban on buying new camera equipment for myself during next year, It's not so much of a sacrifice given the equipment I already own, but AG and Dawid have reawakened my memory as to why I bought the 3Ti, so my new years resolution will be to use and appreciate what I have now and stop worrying about how to afford an E-5 or whatever comes next. I will have to pay for film but I am sure it will be a lot less that a new E thingy. IanW > > Then he said "Nah, your more like the cool uncle with the classic cars." > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 17:12:42 2008 Received: (qmail 3677 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 16:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 16:12:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE80430981 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:12:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A47440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:12:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2715519EC8A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:12:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB3A19EC6D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:12:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-qy0-f12.google.com (mail-qy0-f12.google.com [209.85.221.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:12:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk5 with SMTP id 5so110204qyk.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.208.20 with SMTP id f20mr204475wag.46.1228839154712; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:12:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.157.5 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:12:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:12:34 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 17:12:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e98fa186271869477228 On 12/9/08, Ken Norton wrote: > Just a note on DCRAW conversions with Oly files. When dealing with > saturated yellows and oranges, DCRAW will tend to create a checkerboard > pattern in the highlights. This is particularily harsh with the E-1, but I > believe other bodies (specifically the Kodak sensored ones) will do this > too. > > Rumor has it, it's because the RGBG pattern is actually reversed in the > Olympus. Instead of RGBG, its GRGB. Inotherwords, the mapping start point > is off in DCRAW. Initially, ACR hadthis problem. Ken, do you have a version of DCRAW that outputs a 16-bit TIFF? I played with UFRaw (which uses DCRAW engine) with E-3 ORF files and liked it but couldn't get it to save in 16-bit -- 8-bit only. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 17:25:15 2008 Received: (qmail 31915 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 16:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 16:25:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C924309A4 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA90440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F408519ED3B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:25:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E6C19ED34 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:25:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:25:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so21439mue.0 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:25:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.240.5 with SMTP id s5mr122617mur.133.1228839905759; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:25:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:25:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:25:05 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6caf61ad7d069357 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 17:25:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e9beb254151993019900 > > Ken, do you have a version of DCRAW that outputs a 16-bit TIFF? I > played with UFRaw (which uses DCRAW engine) with E-3 ORF files and > liked it but couldn't get it to save in 16-bit -- 8-bit only. > I use it through VueScan which saves in 16-bit. Best conversions to date--detail wise is still from Rawshooter. (RIP). But the one I'm most impressed with is Capture One. C1 absolutely nails the Olympus colors. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 17:28:57 2008 Received: (qmail 31684 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 16:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 16:28:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298E4430937 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:28:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D2F440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EE934AC06C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:28:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C6C34AC063 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:28:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.187]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f33so21398fkf.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.102.247.4 with SMTP id u4mr125745muh.128.1228840121238; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:28:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:28:41 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bd39c8ac45c8e3ae Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 17:28:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e9cc9135694673671140 Hmm. May I propose an OM-3Ti shooting event/competition? Hey, how about a competition with each number individually. If you don't have one model, no problem as you just compete in the category you are able to. How about lens focal-length? AG (stirring the pot) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 17:32:55 2008 Received: (qmail 10267 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 16:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 16:32:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B8C4309A3 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD85440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEF619EDA5 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:32:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CAE19EDA0 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:32:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f15.google.com (mail-bw0-f15.google.com [209.85.218.15]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so21541bwz.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.182.3 with SMTP id j3mr131102mup.107.1228840367461; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j9sm272425mue.49.2008.12.09.08.32.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:32:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493E9DAE.3090801@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:32:46 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 17:32:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e9db7267471073733319 Hmm next you will be suggesting the return of an OM only TOPE ;-) Ken Norton wrote: > Hmm. May I propose an OM-3Ti shooting event/competition? > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 17:39:13 2008 Received: (qmail 22168 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 16:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 16:39:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB014308F6 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB103440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8FA34AC056 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:39:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6E03610001 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:39:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KBM007TQBL3EM32@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:39:03 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-218-97.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.218.97]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:36:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:38:50 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <3C8BA1A885DA49FCBAA8E0087E4B3B83@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiYNAGsuPkkY3tph/2dsb2JhbACBZogZx0gHgwA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,741,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="422985487" References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 17:39:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e9f3143077927319144 If you really magnify the image of that RV-9 single engined aeroplane whose URL someone included in a recent list message I get the felling that the G-RUVY registration letters take on the impression of being a very carefull and very well done masking, selection and layering operation in Photoshop ! I cannot imagine that any aeroplane registration clerk could have such a Mindbending sense of humour to put a smile on the plane's owner's face :-) jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 17:39:50 2008 Received: (qmail 24280 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 16:39:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 16:39:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC4C430948 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C58440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80BB34AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:39:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164BD34AC054 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:39:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-qy0-f12.google.com (mail-qy0-f12.google.com [209.85.221.12]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk5 with SMTP id 5so139872qyk.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.107.5 with SMTP id j5mr207181wam.158.1228840783497; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:39:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.157.5 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:39:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0812090839l518292f6hda4d33a624de5e71@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:39:43 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840812090047tbe63c11n805b072a1a106111@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200812082136.mB8LaFa3007668@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> <9f07ac840812090047tbe63c11n805b072a1a106111@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Mr. Fildes' Progress X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 17:39:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e9f56110462070262475 On 12/9/08, Jez Cunningham wrote: > OK, I'll bite - why not Fildes's? Or is that considered too awkward? Pedantry alert. The apostrophe before the "s" represents a contraction of "his." A couple of examples: "Ben Jonson his best piece of poetry" means "Ben Jonson's best piece of poetry." Another: "Pettie His Petite Palace of Pleasure" means "Pettie's Petite Palace of Pleasure." Both are real examples in Elizabethan English, one a line from an autobiographical poem by Ben Jonson and the other a title of a book. Even by Elizabethan times it was awkward to spell out "his" where the possessive was meant and it was done mainly in more formal instances, such as titles of books and that sort of thing. The full "his" certainly wasn't pronounced (although there are exceptions, see below) in common speech and so that practice in writing tended to follow real utterance, as usual. Usage of apostrophes, capitalization, even spelling was haphazard until quite recently. Shakespeare spelled his own name differently as it suited him. Newspapers had a great deal to do with the formalization of these rules. So -- since the uncontracted expression, however antique, would be "Mr Fildes His Progress," you are quite within all manner of logic and good form to write "Mr Fildes's Progress" and I think you should. If you say aloud "Mr Fildes's Progress" or "Mr Wilcox's Progress" you can hear the "his." But you don't hear it so much when you say "Mr Cunningham's Progress." Clearly more examples cried out for contraction than others, and the contraction won out in the end. Most people could hardly care less about this stuff and feel reasonably good about simply including the apostrophe, and I wish to be supportive of reasonable compromise. So I say well done either way. Best regards, Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 17:40:43 2008 Received: (qmail 25155 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 16:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 16:40:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EED430972 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F28A440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184D334AC054 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:40:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2EDE34AC04D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:40:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:40:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.89]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081209164030.RDPE2983.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:40:30 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhQBAHotPklMRyyV/2dsb2JhbAAI0TODBw Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279732885.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.44.149]) by simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 11:36:31 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:39:25 -0500 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Oly Master on Mac Thread-Index: AclaHLIT8LYo7sYPEd2DjQAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 17:40:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493e9f8b131363675314703 Could well have been, I ran into this also, which gave me my first opportunity to deal with the semi-useless support folks at Olympus. BTW, Master is at 2.07 now. I still have the download file for it, so if you can't find it on the Olympus site, let me know. Michael On 12/9/08 9:52 AM, "Chris Barker" wrote: > I think that it was the update to 2.05 that resolved the administrator > glitch. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 18:02:31 2008 Received: (qmail 14842 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 17:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 17:02:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83364309A9 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:02:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18300440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:02:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B54034AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:02:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8559834AC04D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:02:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.154]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so23560yxi.80 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:02:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.12.9 with SMTP id 9mr215588wal.216.1228842144320; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:02:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.157.5 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:02:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0812090902k14b04c9ane40a4eaee8d583f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:02:24 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 18:02:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ea4a764669347015869 On 12/9/08, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Ken, do you have a version of DCRAW that outputs a 16-bit TIFF? I >> played with UFRaw (which uses DCRAW engine) with E-3 ORF files and >> liked it but couldn't get it to save in 16-bit -- 8-bit only. >> > > > I use it through VueScan which saves in 16-bit. > > Best conversions to date--detail wise is still from Rawshooter. (RIP). But > the one I'm most impressed with is Capture One. C1 absolutely nails the > Olympus colors. > > AG Cool. How could I forget ViewScan? Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 18:09:01 2008 Received: (qmail 10470 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 17:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 17:09:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0839943094B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF875440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4D219EF08 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:08:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B4D19EF07 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:08:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B59DC965B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:28:19 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <655tj4l00d4kh1rq979fhis9k2ciunthgt@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:08:50 +0000 References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> <655tj4l00d4kh1rq979fhis9k2ciunthgt@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 18:09:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ea62d311471823421471 Oh, that's not a bad story, Frank :-) Actually, I do wonder what cost vs benefit there is with the heating of things like transformers and electronic gizmos. I wasn't going to bring up air transport ... :-) Chris On 9 Dec 2008, at 16:06, Frank van Lindert wrote: > But during the rest of the year all heat developed by the modem (and > also that of the soon to be banned tungsten lamps!) is not to be > regarded as a complete loss or waste: the central heating thermostat > will take it into account properly and close the gas or hot water > valves to compensate. > > Of course I understand that you are prompting me to to mention the bad > effect of air transport on climate. Well, I won't: you had better do > it yourself. ;-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 18:10:46 2008 Received: (qmail 22736 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 17:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 17:10:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8CE343093D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEFA440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F20F34AC04D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:10:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5B534AC056 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:10:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FB6C965B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:30:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <89709561-57A4-4963-95D2-CE42A7514A67@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:10:37 +0000 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 18:10:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ea696182277927319144 I don't have an OM3Ti, but what about OM3 or OM1? I'm up for that. David L's little rant was quite inspirational, really. Chris On 9 Dec 2008, at 16:28, Ken Norton wrote: > Hmm. May I propose an OM-3Ti shooting event/competition? > > Hey, how about a competition with each number individually. If you > don't > have one model, no problem as you just compete in the category you > are able > to. How about lens focal-length? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 18:11:01 2008 Received: (qmail 28108 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 17:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 17:11:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFD2430972 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:10:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B0E440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:10:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA4D19EF1B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:10:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D7A19EF08 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:10:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.bf7.4d4d8986 (34933) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.149]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA046-5c67493ea67dde; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:10:26 -0500 Received: from WEBMAIL-MZ10 (webmail-mz10.sim.aol.com [64.12.222.72]) by smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB025-5c67493ea67dde; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:10:21 -0500 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:10:21 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 67.190.32.211 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nsurit@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 67.190.32.211 by WEBMAIL-MZ10.sysops.aol.com (64.12.222.72) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:10:21 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB283827097C8D-924-240@WEBMAIL-MZ10.sysops.aol.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 18:11:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ea6a59811023412894 Hey, how about a competition with each number individually. Gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines.?? Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 18:21:40 2008 Received: (qmail 13553 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 17:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 17:21:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3569D430927 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:21:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFBC440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D12919EF82 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:21:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0364719EF81 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:21:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f20.google.com (mail-fx0-f20.google.com [209.85.220.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm13 with SMTP id 13so67640fxm.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:21:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.49.12 with SMTP id b12mr157258muk.65.1228843283364; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:21:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:21:23 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <8CB283827097C8D-924-240@WEBMAIL-MZ10.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <8CB283827097C8D-924-240@WEBMAIL-MZ10.sysops.aol.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5cabd13c1787e029 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 18:21:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ea924253549117217770 > > Gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines.?? Bill Barber > Ahem, it looks like we might have to place some limits on this. We'll need the "Bill Rule". On a positive note, we know that he doesn't have an OM-3Ti yet. Yet. AG-(should be competitive in one category)-Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 18:22:19 2008 Received: (qmail 25961 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 17:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 17:22:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73030430948 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52827440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:22:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CD734AC054 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:22:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2BD34AC056 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:22:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LA6Hg-00020R-IV for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:22:08 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net><9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> <3C8BA1A885DA49FCBAA8E0087E4B3B83@hudson> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:22:07 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclaHK8Yk98HAqvsS++StYLcBpKEBAABFWCg In-Reply-To: <3C8BA1A885DA49FCBAA8E0087E4B3B83@hudson> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081208-0, 08/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8571/Wed Nov 5 11:25:50 2008, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 18:22:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ea94b50737350615338 Think again, John, the UK Register has entries from G-AAAA to G-ZZZZ (though both of those aircraft have been de-registered, as it happens), and you can choose an out-of-sequence combination, as did the owner of G-RUVY as shown here:- http://TinyURL.com/68fzvy otherwise known as:- http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=deta ilnosummary&fullregmark=RUVY I can't think of an Olympus-relevant five letter word beginning G.... -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] Sent: 09 December 2008 16:39 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane If you really magnify the image of that RV-9 single engined aeroplane whose URL someone included in a recent list message I get the felling that the G-RUVY registration letters take on the impression of being a very carefull and very well done masking, selection and layering operation in Photoshop ! I cannot imagine that any aeroplane registration clerk could have such a Mindbending sense of humour to put a smile on the plane's owner's face :-) jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 18:39:41 2008 Received: (qmail 28823 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 17:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 17:39:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8264309BE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FFF440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:39:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6562519F05A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:39:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBB919F086 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:39:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:39:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F024C96EC for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:59:02 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <7A7B4FF5-E16A-4289-9161-0BC132A8AE67@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:39:32 +0000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 18:39:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ead5d237361744846740 I have managed to use Master's update system to update to v2.11. It is a clumsy bit of software! Chris On 9 Dec 2008, at 16:39, Michael Collins wrote: > Could well have been, I ran into this also, which gave me my first > opportunity to deal with the semi-useless support folks at Olympus. > BTW, > Master is at 2.07 now. I still have the download file for it, so if > you > can't find it on the Olympus site, let me know. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 18:52:07 2008 Received: (qmail 22165 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 17:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 17:52:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820F74309C4 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:52:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBE6440030 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439D43610003 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:52:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 5.712 X-Spam-Level: ***** X-Spam-Status: No, score=5.712 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=3, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B752634AC054 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:52:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 13 days 06:10:32 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:51:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from gprs02.rb.mtnns.net ([41.208.50.176]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 375 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:00:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:51:49 +0200 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 18:52:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493eb047307661702588592 Dear AG, now you are really stirring the pot. May I propose an amendment to your proposal, whereby a shooting event/ competition does not only include those (lucky buggers) who own an OM-3Ti, but rather to include the mechanical bodies in general? Collectability aside, I really do prefer the OM-1 which, OM-3-Ti-lumi- micron-focus-screen notwithstanding, really still does have the best viewfinder of the lot, no? There's a certain kind of magic coupling the magical 90 Macro with the most basic and primitive body of the lot - and maybe a number of members feel that way. So, to include us OM-3Ti-less souls (I am going to discover I am at hand printing in the wet darkroom real soon) please make it an OM-1/3 competition. Any ideas for a theme? Or shall we just make it a general competition - as long as it is shot in the competition period, i.e. no digging out old negatives. That way, the inspiration to go and use the OM gear is stronger. What doth the group sayeth? On 09 Dec 2008, at 6:28 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Hmm. May I propose an OM-3Ti shooting event/competition? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 19:01:29 2008 Received: (qmail 13491 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 18:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 18:01:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358A24301BA for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:01:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8334A440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:01:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68BE834AC05C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:01:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADB234AC056 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:01:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [138.23.74.126] ([138.23.74.126]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id CXH57585 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:01:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:01:24 -0800 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 19:01:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493eb279213531529615919 On Dec 9, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Dear AG, now you are really stirring the pot. > > May I propose an amendment to your proposal, whereby a shooting event/ > competition > does not only include those (lucky buggers) who own an OM-3Ti, but > rather to include > the mechanical bodies in general? > > Any ideas for a theme? Or shall we just make it a general competition > - as long as it is shot in the > competition period, i.e. no digging out old negatives. That way, the > inspiration to go and use the OM > gear is stronger. > > What doth the group sayeth? I second the motion! /s -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 19:16:34 2008 Received: (qmail 13455 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 18:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 18:16:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A273430296 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:16:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F680440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:16:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE3319F23A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:16:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F3119F1FA for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:16:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so45779fga.36 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:16:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.68.2 with SMTP id q2mr199050fga.3.1228846584715; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:16:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.49.18 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:16:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812091016y3c74108fpa9358f35a61a930d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:16:24 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <655tj4l00d4kh1rq979fhis9k2ciunthgt@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> <655tj4l00d4kh1rq979fhis9k2ciunthgt@4ax.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 65538927a16f7a01 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 19:16:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493eb602121022070262475 Aahhh - a man after my own heart. Jez, sitting by a naked 40w bulb to keep warm... On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Frank van Lindert wrote: > Hi Chris. > > In summertime you certainly have a point, because the heat developed > by the modem is not needed. On the contrary: my air conditioning > system has to work much harder to remove the heat excess ;-) > > But during the rest of the year all heat developed by the modem (and > also that of the soon to be banned tungsten lamps!) is not to be > regarded as a complete loss or waste: the central heating thermostat > will take it into account properly and close the gas or hot water > valves to compensate. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 19:27:41 2008 Received: (qmail 26141 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 18:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 18:27:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95481430277 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A032440023 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BE034AC04D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:27:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0672234AC060 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:27:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:27:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KBM007I5GLN6S10@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:27:23 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-218-97.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.218.97]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:24:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:27:20 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <572F25B442FF4C03B7DDCCCB1D512D51@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiYNAMxGPkkY3tph/2dsb2JhbACBZogZx3kHgwA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,742,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="385446308" References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> <3C8BA1A885DA49FCBAA8E0087E4B3B83@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 19:27:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493eb89d128591073733319 So, ................. there are no personalized auto licence plates in the UK but there are personalized aeroplane registrations! Now, there, I have learned something new today. I had no idea that one could order personalized aeroplates in the UK! I'm surprised that the governing socialists have not deprived the upper classes of this mark of privilege! Mind you the owner's registered address suggests that he can well afford the luxury. Looks to be as selective as Salisbury Close or Ramsay Garden :-) How about G-nOMe ? OM being the genetic material of this list. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > Think again, John, the UK Register has entries from G-AAAA to G-ZZZZ > (though > both of those aircraft have been de-registered, as it happens), and you > can > choose an out-of-sequence combination, as did the owner of G-RUVY as shown > here:- > > http://TinyURL.com/68fzvy otherwise known as:- > > http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=deta > ilnosummary&fullregmark=RUVY > > I can't think of an Olympus-relevant five letter word beginning G.... > > -- > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] > Sent: 09 December 2008 16:39 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > > If you really magnify the image of that RV-9 single engined aeroplane > whose > URL someone included in a recent list message I get the felling that the > G-RUVY registration letters take on the impression of being a very > carefull > and very well done masking, selection and layering operation in Photoshop > ! > > I cannot imagine that any aeroplane registration clerk could have such a > Mindbending sense of humour to put a smile on the plane's owner's face :-) > > jh > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 19:30:56 2008 Received: (qmail 19364 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 18:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 18:30:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247C74301D1 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD0A440023 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21E834AC054 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:30:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA0434AC04D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:30:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f15.google.com (mail-bw0-f15.google.com [209.85.218.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so129977bwz.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.222.1 with SMTP id z1mr186241muq.51.1228847445219; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:30:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:30:45 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> <655tj4l00d4kh1rq979fhis9k2ciunthgt@4ax.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 87b0e547235ac91b Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 19:30:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493eb960263262046811720 > > Actually, I do wonder what cost vs benefit there is with the heating > of things like transformers and electronic gizmos. > Well, then you have to balance in the changes in replacement cycles for equipment that has shortened lifespans due to on/off switching. But to give you an idea about energy consumption... In the telco industry the equipment on the udder-end (I have a cold) of the DSL circuit as well as the routers, switches, etc., consume HUGE amounts of electricity. The more bits traversing a box, the more power it takes. A ten gigabit ethernet circuit at rest consumes almost nothing, but throw 800 megabit of traffic over it (80% fill) and you can cook marshmallows over the cooling fans. Consider that this typical box is connected to a minimum of two other boxes within the same building, all consuming similar amounts of power to move bits, I am just thinking out the top of my head, but each Gigabit per interface is consuming 1/2 watt of energy. This means that just to traverse the typical communications center will require 3 watts to move a gigabit of data through six interfaces. Then if the data is moving 100km to the next data center, it requires even more power to light up the fiberoptic for that distance, not including mid-span amplification and regeneration. Again, I'm just noodling and my numbers may be off by a little bit, but let's estimate 1 watt per gigabit per 100km with data/communications centers every 200km. The average customer internet connection uses 5% of their available bandwidth (per 24 hour period, proven by actual statistics), and the worldwide average customer internet connection is 256 kbps.. Also, the averaged internet experience is 1000km of distance covered. So.... 256kpbs * 60 seconds * 60 minutes * 24 hours = 22.1 gb per day. (22.1 gb * 10 watts for distance) + (22.1 gb * 6 data/communications centers at 3 watts each) = 221 watts for distance + 398 watts for data/communications centers. Therefore, NOT including "local loop" (ie DSL or Cable Modem), the average internet connection is consuming 619 watts per day. The local loop probably averages 5 watts to maintain connectivity when the customer modem is turned on--not including the power-consumption of the modem itself or the router in the house or the computers... Anyway, if you were to figure your "carbon footprint" for internet usage, not including the actual powering of your modem, router, computer or even the servers and drive-farms, figure it is somewhere around 619 watts per day. That 619 watts is JUST data transfer from your local access point (telephone office or cable company local pop) to "the world". Spinning hard-drives, and calculating servers add another bit of global warming/cooling/change. Of course, these numbers are just off the top of my head, but based on what I know the equipment I deal with consumes. Next up---How much power does a telephone call consume... AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 19:34:31 2008 Received: (qmail 4776 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 18:34:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 18:34:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBC9430202 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:34:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC5D440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E12119F2F1 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:34:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1675819F2E0 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:34:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so49567fga.36 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.60.14 with SMTP id i14mr198997fga.21.1228847663646; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.49.18 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:34:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812091034w6855c592kb6bf059cdadaa686@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:34:23 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> <3C8BA1A885DA49FCBAA8E0087E4B3B83@hudson> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b129e7ce2ebdbfc1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 19:34:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493eba37188509347015869 If that wasn't an invitation, ... G-ZUKO (7 elements?) A few appropriate terms for the list members could be: G-EEKS G-RIPY G-ROWL G-RUNT G-RUMP G-UMMY but G-OMER is my favorite: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gomer Jez -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 19:36:57 2008 Received: (qmail 27471 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 18:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 18:36:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C070E4302A6 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:36:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056AD440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:36:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DDD34AC056 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:36:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8B934AC060 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:36:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.126]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:36:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 51115 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2008 18:36:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3j0KsBcVM1l_qoQJ8nltCqKJnr6DkWGEb_wU6Xpc.xHO8NMNE0lDZNNMi3e39uyFnzFC_ZhYevVm8PbHmTlQ2lj.M9z6c7fDjZdwLfnEsU89yjmW3xFpQNB9FcAph57T7W5fCsURwQcIh6xUwFdlmZbroAB0LKK8DSL5dGnGzeb.4F0kq8cLJ7E1dIYV Received: from [71.97.4.235] by web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:36:50 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:36:50 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <536830.50679.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 19:36:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ebac9138671823421471 =A0 Yes, I leave my modem and router on 24/7. I don't think either one pull= s enough electricity to notice one way or the other. Both only have three l= ed lights on them, usually not giving me any problems either. I thought it = was strange that I had Internet, but not anything Google, or what appeared = to be a west coast link in the US. Turning both off and unplugging pwr has = returned full connectivity, that was what I felt was very weird. Thanks,Jer= ry=A0 Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 19:41:12 2008 Received: (qmail 8782 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 18:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 18:41:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD69430221 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:41:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3837F440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:41:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ADFC34AC067 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:41:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2D534AC05C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:41:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f15.google.com (mail-bw0-f15.google.com [209.85.218.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so140503bwz.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.192.2 with SMTP id u2mr195329mup.2.1228847758118; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:35:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:35:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:35:58 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ecc3636906fce2e3 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 19:41:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ebbc8164571529615919 Isn't part of the idea here to instigate major Gear Acquisition Syndrome among us listees? :) AG (stirring the pot) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 19:42:31 2008 Received: (qmail 7017 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 18:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 18:42:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79B3430275 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149CF440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0446C19F2F4 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C4719F330 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (Low) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (132.156.37.16 whitelisted by list.dnswl.org 8.2) Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:42:24 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:42:24 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <572F25B442FF4C03B7DDCCCB1D512D51@hudson> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane thread-index: AclaK9GWxVTXA7C5TsStzt83xWklMQAAeBiA References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net><9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com><3C8BA1A885DA49FCBAA8E0087E4B3B83@hudson> <572F25B442FF4C03B7DDCCCB1D512D51@hudson> From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2008 18:42:24.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0B8B7C0:01C95A2D] Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 19:42:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ebc172741470116606 John: There are indeed personalized number plates in the UK - have been for many, many years. Martin -----Original Message----- From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:27 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane So, ................. there are no personalized auto licence plates in the UK but there are personalized aeroplane registrations! Now, there, I have learned something new today. I had no idea that one could order personalized aeroplates in the UK! I'm surprised that the governing socialists have not deprived the upper classes of this mark of privilege! Mind you the owner's registered address suggests that he can well afford the luxury. Looks to be as selective as Salisbury Close or Ramsay Garden :-) How about G-nOMe ? OM being the genetic material of this list. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > Think again, John, the UK Register has entries from G-AAAA to G-ZZZZ > (though > both of those aircraft have been de-registered, as it happens), and you > can > choose an out-of-sequence combination, as did the owner of G-RUVY as shown > here:- > > http://TinyURL.com/68fzvy otherwise known as:- > > http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode= deta > ilnosummary&fullregmark=RUVY > > I can't think of an Olympus-relevant five letter word beginning G.... > > -- > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] > Sent: 09 December 2008 16:39 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > > If you really magnify the image of that RV-9 single engined aeroplane > whose > URL someone included in a recent list message I get the felling that the > G-RUVY registration letters take on the impression of being a very > carefull > and very well done masking, selection and layering operation in Photoshop > ! > > I cannot imagine that any aeroplane registration clerk could have such a > Mindbending sense of humour to put a smile on the plane's owner's face :-) > > jh > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 19:42:44 2008 Received: (qmail 24776 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 18:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 18:42:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939414302A7 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825E9440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EE534AC060 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C6B34AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so51193fga.36 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.92.4 with SMTP id p4mr191692fgb.36.1228847718559; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.49.18 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:35:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9f07ac840812091035q2f11355bg26bbf9fcdfed1a23@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:35:18 +0100 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <572F25B442FF4C03B7DDCCCB1D512D51@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> <3C8BA1A885DA49FCBAA8E0087E4B3B83@hudson> <572F25B442FF4C03B7DDCCCB1D512D51@hudson> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 164cf59d08605eed Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 19:42:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ebc24146058512572685 What makes you say that? OBO 110 X is my favorite! Jez On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 7:27 PM, John Hudson wrote: > So, ................. there are no personalized auto licence plates in the > UK -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 19:42:46 2008 Received: (qmail 2529 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 18:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 18:42:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2F443028A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BF3440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C506E34AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A4F34AC04D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KBM007EIHAU6M30@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:42:30 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-218-97.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.218.97]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:37:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:42:14 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <64FBB51AD04741ACAD357C777ADA1362@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiYNAEBLPkkY3tph/2dsb2JhbACBZogZx30HgwA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,742,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="373465507" References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> <3C8BA1A885DA49FCBAA8E0087E4B3B83@hudson> <9f07ac840812091034w6855c592kb6bf059cdadaa686@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 19:42:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ebc26307271993019900 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > If that wasn't an invitation, ... > > G-ZUKO (7 elements?) > A few appropriate terms for the list members could be: > > G-EEKS > G-RIPY > G-ROWL > G-RUNT > G-RUMP > G-UMMY > > but G-OMER is my favorite: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gomer > Jez > -- That reminds me of Gomer Pyle, the not overly bright gas station attendant, and Gomer Pyle, USMC both played by Jim Nabors. Jez, you've definitely got to give a boost to the OM brand :-) jh > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 19:53:36 2008 Received: (qmail 10844 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 18:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 18:53:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510ED430318 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:53:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD80440006 for ; 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Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:40:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:40:19 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> <3C8BA1A885DA49FCBAA8E0087E4B3B83@hudson> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1e6efebe04e5fc90 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 19:53:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ebeb0309321585427447 > > I can't think of an Olympus-relevant five letter word beginning G.... > G-REAT -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 19:54:39 2008 Received: (qmail 31841 invoked by uid 0); 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Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KBM0075QHUD6S50@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:54:13 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-218-97.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.218.97]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:49:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:54:13 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiYNAJxNPkkY3tph/2dsb2JhbACBZogZyBYHgwA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,743,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="373473759" References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> <3C8BA1A885DA49FCBAA8E0087E4B3B83@hudson> <572F25B442FF4C03B7DDCCCB1D512D51@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 19:54:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ebeef319131529615919 The personalized auto plates in the UK are just contractions or expansions of the standard alpha numerics. At lot of years I saw " ERNIE" running around to the west of Edinburgh. This is just a contraction of ERN 1E which was a regular plate issued in 1966 or thereabouts. I believe the plate was owned by Ernie Wise, the tv comedian. An example of truly personalized plate is " IPASGAS" which I saw in Calgary, Alberta years ago ............ believed to be owned by someone in the natural gas industry. Another example is " GR8MUM" which my wife has had for years ............... a play on "great Mum" ................ and was a birthday or Mothers' Day present from our children. The shortest personalized plate I have seen is the letter " X " on an Alberta plate dating back to the mid early 1990s. In point of fact, the UK does not have personalized plates, just a tolerance for having licence plate manufacturers issuing plates with contractions or expansions, but not re-arrangements, of state issued alpha-numeric registration characters. If this is not the case, tell me which registration authority can issue GR8MUM or IPASGAS or X in the UK ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > John: > There are indeed personalized number plates in the UK - have been for > many, many years. > > > Martin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:27 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > > So, ................. there are no personalized auto licence plates in > the UK but there are personalized aeroplane registrations! Now, there, I > have learned something new today. I had no idea that one could order > personalized aeroplates in the UK! I'm surprised that the governing > socialists have not deprived the upper classes of this mark of > privilege! > > Mind you the owner's registered address suggests that he can well afford > the luxury. Looks to be as selective as Salisbury Close or Ramsay Garden > :-) > > How about G-nOMe ? OM being the genetic material of this list. > > jh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Piers Hemy" > To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > > >> Think again, John, the UK Register has entries from G-AAAA to G-ZZZZ >> (though >> both of those aircraft have been de-registered, as it happens), and > you >> can >> choose an out-of-sequence combination, as did the owner of G-RUVY as > shown >> here:- >> >> http://TinyURL.com/68fzvy otherwise known as:- >> >> > http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode= > deta >> ilnosummary&fullregmark=RUVY >> >> I can't think of an Olympus-relevant five letter word beginning G.... >> >> -- >> Piers >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] >> Sent: 09 December 2008 16:39 >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane >> >> If you really magnify the image of that RV-9 single engined aeroplane >> whose >> URL someone included in a recent list message I get the felling that > the >> G-RUVY registration letters take on the impression of being a very >> carefull >> and very well done masking, selection and layering operation in > Photoshop >> ! >> >> I cannot imagine that any aeroplane registration clerk could have such > a >> Mindbending sense of humour to put a smile on the plane's owner's face > :-) >> >> jh >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 20:00:59 2008 Received: (qmail 27618 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 19:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 19:00:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDB7430296 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EE2440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E953534AC067 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:00:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0353B34AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:00:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:00:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c12.46022368 (37555) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB034-5c4d493ebff532e; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:59:12 -0500 Received: from webmail-me08 (webmail-me08.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.200]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA023-5c4d493ebff532e; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:59:01 -0500 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com><14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:59:00 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 67.190.32.211 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nsurit@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 67.190.32.211 by webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.200) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:59:00 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB284754EB43E1-550-111@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 20:00:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ec06b62381234514069 Isn't part of the idea here to instigate major Gear Acquisition Syndrome among us listees? Ken, what made you think there was a problem with lack of GAS on this list?? A mechanical camera event would be OK.? Oh, by the way, I've been practicing writing "Ti" with my white paint pen.? When talking to another list member, they had suggested your?"3 Ti" competition was a thinly vailed attempt on your part to drive up the cost of the 3 Ti before you sold me yours.? I don't subscribe to that theory.? You wouldn't do that . . . would you?? <{B^)??Bill Barber ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 20:01:12 2008 Received: (qmail 9841 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 19:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 19:01:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C0B4302D7 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:01:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3115440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:00:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E433519F422 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:00:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E177C19F2EF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:00:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KBM007M8I5L7250@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:00:57 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-218-97.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.218.97]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:02:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:00:56 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <324976DAD61C442D97F15CBA2FC98F97@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiYNAMNOPkkY3tph/2dsb2JhbACBZogZyAkHgwA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,743,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="241780153" References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> <3C8BA1A885DA49FCBAA8E0087E4B3B83@hudson> <572F25B442FF4C03B7DDCCCB1D512D51@hudson> <9f07ac840812091035q2f11355bg26bbf9fcdfed1a23@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 20:01:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ec077324791234514069 That's not a personally created auto plate! It's a standard off the shelf plate from which ever registration authority issues the letters " BO " in trailing letter registration year " X " Trailing letter "R" year was 1977 so " X" is not long afterwards. The fact thay you might pay countless thousands of pounds to pick up that plate does not make it personalized! See here http://www.johnhudsonphoto.com/PrinceEdwardIsland04.html on the first row for a couple of real personalized plate and the PEDDling photo for them in combination! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > What makes you say that? OBO 110 X is my favorite! > Jez > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 7:27 PM, John Hudson wrote: > >> So, ................. there are no personalized auto licence plates in >> the >> UK > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 20:01:25 2008 Received: (qmail 4957 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 19:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 19:01:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19B8430278 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9F4440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:01:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF12834AC04D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:01:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7AD34AC054 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:01:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (Low) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (132.156.37.16 whitelisted by list.dnswl.org 8.2) Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:01:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:01:17 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:01:17 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane thread-index: AclaL5WNL6SkeKC8QEygJ9Z2lH/f0wAAEQLQ References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net><9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com><3C8BA1A885DA49FCBAA8E0087E4B3B83@hudson><572F25B442FF4C03B7DDCCCB1D512D51@hudson> From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2008 19:01:17.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[84163DF0:01C95A30] Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 20:01:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ec08557201744846740 John: Others still resident in the UK may wish to chime in. As far as I am aware, you can have, for example, your initials with a number (e.g, MW 1) or smilar. I presume that you could also have just letters, with or without spaces. These are not contractions, though they are in the format or early number plates (e.g., pre-war). I suspect that "personalized" would have different meanings in the UK and in North America. Martin -----Original Message----- From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:54 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane The personalized auto plates in the UK are just contractions or expansions of the standard alpha numerics. At lot of years I saw " ERNIE" running around to the west of Edinburgh. This is just a contraction of ERN 1E which was a regular plate issued in 1966 or thereabouts. I believe the plate was owned by Ernie Wise, the tv comedian. An example of truly personalized plate is " IPASGAS" which I saw in Calgary, Alberta years ago ............ believed to be owned by someone in the natural gas industry. Another example is " GR8MUM" which my wife has had for years ............... a play on "great Mum" ................ and was a birthday or Mothers' Day present from our children. The shortest personalized plate I have seen is the letter " X " on an Alberta plate dating back to the mid early 1990s. In point of fact, the UK does not have personalized plates, just a tolerance for having licence plate manufacturers issuing plates with contractions or expansions, but not re-arrangements, of state issued alpha-numeric registration characters. If this is not the case, tell me which registration authority can issue GR8MUM or IPASGAS or X in the UK ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > John: > There are indeed personalized number plates in the UK - have been for > many, many years. > > > Martin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:27 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > > So, ................. there are no personalized auto licence plates in > the UK but there are personalized aeroplane registrations! Now, there, I > have learned something new today. I had no idea that one could order > personalized aeroplates in the UK! I'm surprised that the governing > socialists have not deprived the upper classes of this mark of > privilege! > > Mind you the owner's registered address suggests that he can well afford > the luxury. Looks to be as selective as Salisbury Close or Ramsay Garden > :-) > > How about G-nOMe ? OM being the genetic material of this list. > > jh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Piers Hemy" > To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > > >> Think again, John, the UK Register has entries from G-AAAA to G-ZZZZ >> (though >> both of those aircraft have been de-registered, as it happens), and > you >> can >> choose an out-of-sequence combination, as did the owner of G-RUVY as > shown >> here:- >> >> http://TinyURL.com/68fzvy otherwise known as:- >> >> > http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode= > deta >> ilnosummary&fullregmark=RUVY >> >> I can't think of an Olympus-relevant five letter word beginning G.... >> >> -- >> Piers >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] >> Sent: 09 December 2008 16:39 >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane >> >> If you really magnify the image of that RV-9 single engined aeroplane >> whose >> URL someone included in a recent list message I get the felling that > the >> G-RUVY registration letters take on the impression of being a very >> carefull >> and very well done masking, selection and layering operation in > Photoshop >> ! >> >> I cannot imagine that any aeroplane registration clerk could have such > a >> Mindbending sense of humour to put a smile on the plane's owner's face > :-) >> >> jh >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 20:03:01 2008 Received: (qmail 23458 invoked by uid 0); 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Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 9, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> As for the LUG, my advice is to stop using Leicas ;) >> > > > Talk about stating the obvious! > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 20:21:19 2008 Received: (qmail 5464 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 19:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 19:21:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0864301BE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:21:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C63440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:21:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FC519F4FA for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:21:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB51619F4DB for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:21:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:21:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from 4.red-83-44-108.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.44.108.4]:54192 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1LA88o-00052D-24 (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:21:06 +0000 Message-Id: <8B8D283C-316C-48BB-B80A-8AD402E71225@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7A7B4FF5-E16A-4289-9161-0BC132A8AE67@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:21:05 +0100 References: <7A7B4FF5-E16A-4289-9161-0BC132A8AE67@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 20:21:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ec52e57545368819438 Like most of the software that comes with cameras, it is a piece of crap. I installed in on my iMac solely because Olympus makes you do it to update the firmware in the cameras and lenses. I have never knowingly sullied an actual image by processing it in Master. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 9, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > I have managed to use Master's update system to update to v2.11. It > is a clumsy bit of software! > > Chris > > On 9 Dec 2008, at 16:39, Michael Collins wrote: > >> Could well have been, I ran into this also, which gave me my first >> opportunity to deal with the semi-useless support folks at Olympus. >> BTW, >> Master is at 2.07 now. I still have the download file for it, so if >> you >> can't find it on the Olympus site, let me know. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 20:28:59 2008 Received: (qmail 29157 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 19:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 19:28:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87BA64302A7 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:28:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26239440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188D434AC067 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:28:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D97334AC056 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:28:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f10.google.com (mail-fx0-f10.google.com [209.85.220.10]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:28:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so92163fxm.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:28:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.241.15 with SMTP id t15mr196903mur.85.1228850152746; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:15:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:15:52 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <324976DAD61C442D97F15CBA2FC98F97@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> <3C8BA1A885DA49FCBAA8E0087E4B3B83@hudson> <572F25B442FF4C03B7DDCCCB1D512D51@hudson> <9f07ac840812091035q2f11355bg26bbf9fcdfed1a23@mail.gmail.com> <324976DAD61C442D97F15CBA2FC98F97@hudson> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7bacb29e29c54edd Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 20:28:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ec6fb244691023412894 > > on the first row for a couple of real personalized plate and the PEDDling > photo for them in combination! > On my Cannondale Hauler, I had "4MTNBKN". Later replaced with a hotrodded glasspack equipped SUV which had "4TSMO" In Illinois, there was no additional cost as long as the number-letter combination followed certain rules. For example, trucks began with numbers and ended with letters, cars began with letters and ended with numbers. How about this one for Canon shooters: G-AGME AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 20:42:52 2008 Received: (qmail 995 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 19:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 19:42:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988BA4302D1 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62153440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:42:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4736A34AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:42:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA41934AC060 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:42:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.124]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 97430 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2008 19:42:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Z8PMnvUVM1mQ4Z8NBKpWvNOcIe0N3vYj3_uvPTopnlyUADuPKcXEiFiV3pntuKOpXkP5L40W_wa.EbfikoqwYAc_J3x0TfB.X48t9f6lfCpWrLkraZnlztkmvsyAGdgiHNISs.UStE8zH4IPQnu3RIv9RuuJPlZgWxKun0GOuU8adJB83aYGvTkt0jN6 Received: from [71.97.4.235] by web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:42:40 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:42:40 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <111734.95923.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Oly Master 2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 20:42:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493eca3c174171529615919 =A0 =A0For the E-thingy users out there,=A0I was curious about the firmware= on my E-1, 14-54 and FL-50 flash. I thought Oly Master 2 would do that, bu= t it will not see my camera. So I called Oly about it and they said it will= not see my E-1, that I should use Oly Studio 2. They sent me a link to dow= nload it for a 30 trial, so I'm guessing it will cost something to use afte= r that. How have any one else done this? Are there any current updates for = any of these? The biggest gripe I have is low light focus, although I doubt= much being done now the E-3 is out. TIA, Jerry Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 20:50:27 2008 Received: (qmail 11848 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 19:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 19:50:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954E3430289 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:50:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2902B440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:50:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E01D3610001 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:50:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7EE3610002 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:50:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f15.google.com (mail-bw0-f15.google.com [209.85.218.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so223964bwz.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.160.9 with SMTP id m9mr214873muo.53.1228852216832; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:50:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:50:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:50:16 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8d46be65926d9bf5 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nikon savings and Shameless Plug Alert X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 20:50:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ecc03188941702588592 Sorry to poison this list with such garbage, but in case anybody has the Holiday Spirit and wants to buy themselves a D700, Nikon is offering rebates of $300 for the body, $600 for a kit when ordered through Calumet. Of course, why I mention this is if you click on the Calumet link on the www.zone-10.com website, it helps pay for the website. Like I said - Shameless Plug. I only mention this because Olympus does not offer a digital full-frame 35mm solution and I can't bring myself to say "Ca....". AG (using the DDC-3Ti) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 20:52:33 2008 Received: (qmail 24315 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 19:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 19:52:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB85430289 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F66D440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2380834AC054 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:52:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3AF34AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:52:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 25 days 12:52:03 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE5025EE593 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:52:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HAKLDWbbDvIF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E7A25EE584 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:52:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2F689C18-240A-481F-A752-1BE168AF1820@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:52:23 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 20:52:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ecc81213469347015869 > From: "Ken Norton" > > One type of lighting I've attempted but never got the hang of is > second > light where you use one flash on-camera and the other like 10 feet > to one > side. Some photographers have it working for them, but I get > horrid, harsh > shadows. Play with the ratios? I'd guess you'd want the side light to be at least 1-2 stops over the camera light. Also, "10 feet to one side" isn't very germane. What matters is the angle between the two lights, as viewed by the subject. "10 feet to one side" would produce completely different results on a tight crop of a wedding cake than it would a telephoto of the wedding party from across the room -- in the first case, it would be pure side-light, in the other, it wouldn't be much different from the camera light. :::: We stand, in most places on earth, only six inches from desolation, for that is the thickness of the topsoil layer upon which the entire life of the planet depends. -- R. Neil Sampson :::: :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality http://www.EcoReality.org :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 20:54:48 2008 Received: (qmail 2256 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 19:54:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 19:54:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C84430339 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CBD440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6A419F6A7 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:54:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B099519F6DC for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:54:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f10.google.com (mail-fx0-f10.google.com [209.85.220.10]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:54:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so112663fxm.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:54:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.172.9 with SMTP id z9mr202685muo.109.1228851719772; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:41:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:41:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:41:59 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <8CB284754EB43E1-550-111@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <8CB284754EB43E1-550-111@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7e4fb90b874d7bc7 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 20:54:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ecd08182509117217770 > > When talking to another list member, they had suggested your?"3 Ti" > competition was a thinly vailed attempt on your part to drive up the cost of > the 3 Ti before you sold me yours.? I don't subscribe to that theory.? You > wouldn't do that . . . would you?? As previously stated, the OM-3Ti will not be sold. If/when I'm done shooting film it will go to live with some young pup dedicated to keeping the OM flame burning. Unless the CDFO overrides my decision in case of extreme circumstances or an unfortunate absence of my being, this will be true with the rest of my kit. I will most definitely be true with any and all gifted equipment and such equipment has been specifically identified on the equipment inventory list. Now, nobody should get any ideas about thumping me over the head. I have one daughter that is taking an extreme interest in photography and just may eventually keep the film take-up spools spinning. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 20:56:52 2008 Received: (qmail 19189 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 19:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 19:56:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB12430318 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E1F440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:56:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252C819F6DE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:56:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F1F19F6DC for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:56:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so65872fga.36 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.92.7 with SMTP id p7mr238880fgb.24.1228852602018; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.78.11 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:56:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:56:41 +0000 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> <9f07ac840812090631q10cbf04ax7eddc188966771a5@mail.gmail.com> <51569567-F7EE-4901-BECF-D95961581737@thomasclausen.org> <491832BF60864218A5A2E6282129ABD7@jimnichols> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 20:56:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ecd8498871234514069 2008/12/9 Nathan Wajsman > You guys are Communists and devil worshippers. Don't tell everyone - we'll not have a moment's peace in here... Tom > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 21:19:37 2008 Received: (qmail 3575 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 20:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 20:19:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F44430486 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:19:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ECED440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C4E19F80E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:19:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 5.712 X-Spam-Level: ***** X-Spam-Status: No, score=5.712 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=3, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF8019F815 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:19:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 13 days 08:38:00 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:19:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <31222359.54001228854456776.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from gprs02.rb.mtnns.net ([41.208.50.176]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 473 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:27:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:18:48 +0200 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 21:19:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ed2d911043675314703 In thinking about a theme, in the context of my message which got this whole thing started, I am all for a theme of "minimalism". i.e. for the competition/event to accept entries of photographs made with an OM-1/OM-3 which adhere to a style of minimalism, with a non-busy or stark subject being explored. ? On 09 Dec 2008, at 7:51 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Any ideas for a theme? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 21:43:28 2008 Received: (qmail 28274 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 20:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 20:43:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665BA430339 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:43:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300FF440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:43:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABA134AC054 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:43:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3624C34AC04D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:43:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:43:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3839 invoked by uid 503); 9 Dec 2008 20:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jeff410) (om-list@71.198.177.4) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2008 20:43:14 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <111734.95923.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:43:18 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <111734.95923.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclaNlBgUcPovY/pT/+haTKAAn0qigAB+mqw Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master 2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 21:43:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ed870151471823421471 The free Olympus Viewer that shipped with the E-1 can connect to the internet and do an update. I haven't looked for several months but I believe the last update was at least a year ago. -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Smith [mailto:proud_texan63@yahoo.com] = Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 11:43 AM To: Olympus Camera Subject: [OM] Oly Master 2 =A0 =A0For the E-thingy users out there,=A0I was curious about the firmware= on my E-1, 14-54 and FL-50 flash. I thought Oly Master 2 would do that, but it will not see my camera. So I called Oly about it and they said it will not see my E-1, that I should use Oly Studio 2. They sent me a link to download it for a 30 trial, so I'm guessing it will cost something to use after that. How have any one else done this? Are there any current updates for any of these? The biggest gripe I have is low light focus, although I doubt much being done now the E-3 is out. TIA, Jerry -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 21:54:25 2008 Received: (qmail 26406 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 20:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 20:54:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7962C430491 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D14A440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:54:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F90134AC063 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:54:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D172E34AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:54:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so93376mue.0 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:54:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.11.5 with SMTP id o5mr224303mui.132.1228856055414; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:54:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:54:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:54:15 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <31222359.54001228854456776.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <31222359.54001228854456776.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 81da8e4ef6d18691 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 21:54:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493edb01116831869477228 > > In thinking about a theme, in the context of my message which got this > whole thing started, > I am all for a theme of "minimalism". i.e. for the competition/event > to accept entries > of photographs made with an OM-1/OM-3 which adhere to a style of > minimalism, with a > non-busy or stark subject being explored. > Khen and I have chatted, and we will offer the www.zone-10.com website and gallery engine for this competition if you all are interested. Full hosting, etc., complete with grand prizes (We'll take from Bill's stash), etc. We can set it up in same engine and similar format to the LUG gallery. Or, gag, use flickr. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 22:21:48 2008 Received: (qmail 19473 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 21:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 21:21:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B7F4302CC for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:21:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F226440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:21:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F49619F9CF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:21:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD7C19F9CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:21:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (myzen.co.uk is listed in black.uribl.com) Received: from smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.142]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LAA1T-0000xi-Uo for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:21:40 +0000 Message-ID: <493EE169.4010008@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:21:45 +0000 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [217.155.39.109] Subject: [OM] Olympus XA X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 22:21:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ee16c47149117217770 Hi, Seem to recall that someone posted a "for sale" on an Olympus XA a few days ago... (had a clean up & lost the original post). If it's still on offer please get back to me - or if anyone else has one they no longer need, I'd be interested. Regards - Martyn Smoothy -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 22:25:55 2008 Received: (qmail 23620 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 21:25:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 21:25:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D8D4302A6 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:25:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631D8440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:25:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD8119F9DB for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:25:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D3C19F9D5 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:25:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.226.244]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [138.23.74.126] ([138.23.74.126]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id DQC92485 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:25:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:25:48 -0800 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <31222359.54001228854456776.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 22:25:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ee263315785368819438 On Dec 9, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> In thinking about a theme, in the context of my message which got >> this >> whole thing started, >> I am all for a theme of "minimalism". i.e. for the competition/event >> to accept entries >> of photographs made with an OM-1/OM-3 which adhere to a style of >> minimalism, with a >> non-busy or stark subject being explored. >> > > > Khen and I have chatted, and we will offer the www.zone-10.com > website and > gallery engine for this competition if you all are interested. Full > hosting, etc., complete with grand prizes (We'll take from Bill's > stash), > etc. We can set it up in same engine and similar format to the LUG > gallery. > > Or, gag, use flickr. > > AG Competition? I thought it was just a friendly show and tell using OMs.... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 22:26:43 2008 Received: (qmail 26997 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 21:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 21:26:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EFD430495 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:26:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728F4440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6623F34AC04D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:26:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A0D34AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:26:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.86]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB9LQZmT012574 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:26:35 +1100 Message-Id: <200812092126.mB9LQZmT012574@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:26:35 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:26:35 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 22:26:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ee293200521585427447 > Ken Norton wrote: > > Hmm. May I propose an OM-3Ti shooting event/competition? > What about an OM-3Ti Odyssey ? That might be the only way some of us actually get to see and feel one "in the flesh". Anyone have a spare Body or 2 to circulate the globe for the next few years ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 22:28:45 2008 Received: (qmail 920 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 21:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 21:28:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18BD4304A3 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF95440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDC219F9E2 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:28:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451CE19F9EA for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:28:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:28:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id F83638E3TF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:28:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:28:37 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:28:37 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <493EE169.4010008@m93.myzen.co.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Olympus XA Thread-Index: AclaRCfA+2jhEhHdReibePprHcb7NwAAOaSQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2008 21:28:37.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[192F8E00:01C95A45] Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus XA X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 22:28:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ee30d114811342116753 You only interested in a plain XA? Not a 2? -----Original Message----- From: Martyn Smoothy [mailto:photo@m93.myzen.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:22 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] Olympus XA Hi, Seem to recall that someone posted a "for sale" on an Olympus XA a few days ago... (had a clean up & lost the original post). If it's still on offer please get back to me - or if anyone else has one they no longer need, I'd be interested. Regards - Martyn Smoothy -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. 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May I propose an OM-3Ti shooting event/competition? > What about an OM-3Ti Odyssey ? That might be the only way some of us actually get to see and feel one "in the flesh". Anyone have a spare Body or 2 to circulate the globe for the next few years ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 22:33:57 2008 Received: (qmail 7677 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 21:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 21:33:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E41430485 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB4D440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0C919FA06 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:33:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F88A19FA00 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:33:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (myzen.co.uk is listed in black.uribl.com) Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LAADH-0003uj-F3 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:33:51 +0000 Message-ID: <493EE445.6050701@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:33:57 +0000 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [217.155.39.109] Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus XA X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 22:33:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ee445208211023412894 Just the original XA..... Timpe, Jim wrote: > You only interested in a plain XA? Not a 2? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martyn Smoothy [mailto:photo@m93.myzen.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:22 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] Olympus XA > > > Hi, > > Seem to recall that someone posted a "for sale" on an Olympus XA a few > days ago... (had a clean up & lost the original post). > If it's still on offer please get back to me - or if anyone else has one > > they no longer need, I'd be interested. > > Regards - Martyn Smoothy > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 22:43:53 2008 Received: (qmail 5136 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 21:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 21:43:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7D9430498 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:43:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C26440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8595734AC060 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:43:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95AEE34AC05C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:43:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.193]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:43:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.86]) by mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB9Lhdts023071 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:43:40 +1100 Message-Id: <200812092143.mB9Lhdts023071@mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:43:39 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:43:39 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 22:43:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ee699305711823421471 > Ken Norton wrote: > > Of course, these numbers are just off the top of my head, but based on > what > I know the equipment I deal with consumes. > > Next up---How much power does a telephone call consume... > ...and what cost in energy to send all this stuff as paper documents via the postal system ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 22:51:01 2008 Received: (qmail 11450 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 21:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 21:51:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326F4430454 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:51:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16625440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:50:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE32A19FA79 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:50:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B503B19FA80 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:50:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.63]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:50:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 49450 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2008 21:50:55 -0000 Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:50:55 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:50:55 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493EE169.4010008@m93.myzen.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <125359.48392.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus XA X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 22:51:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ee845228618512572685 There are a couple XA's on Craiglist Buffalo for $20. I may pick one up from one of the sellers. I did contact him initially. --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Martyn Smoothy wrote: > From: Martyn Smoothy > Subject: [OM] Olympus XA > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 4:21 PM > Hi, > > Seem to recall that someone posted a "for sale" > on an Olympus XA a few > days ago... (had a clean up & lost the original post). > If it's still on offer please get back to me - or if > anyone else has one > they no longer need, I'd be interested. > > Regards - Martyn Smoothy > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 22:54:36 2008 Received: (qmail 3868 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 21:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 21:54:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECBE430488 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:54:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D7A440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8992D19FAA1 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:54:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6970119FA9D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:54:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so87554fga.36 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.80.5 with SMTP id d5mr280207fgb.47.1228859666979; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.92.3 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:54:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0812091354o49c71ae3ta0a363373687b7b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:54:26 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <125359.48392.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <493EE169.4010008@m93.myzen.co.uk> <125359.48392.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus XA X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 22:54:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ee91c195611529615919 Ali, At that price, if functional, I'm interested in the other one. Keep me in mind please. Charlie On 12/9/08, AS wrote: > There are a couple XA's on Craiglist Buffalo for $20. I may pick one up from > one of the sellers. I did contact him initially. > > > > --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Martyn Smoothy wrote: > >> From: Martyn Smoothy >> Subject: [OM] Olympus XA >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 4:21 PM >> Hi, >> >> Seem to recall that someone posted a "for sale" >> on an Olympus XA a few >> days ago... (had a clean up & lost the original post). >> If it's still on offer please get back to me - or if >> anyone else has one >> they no longer need, I'd be interested. >> >> Regards - Martyn Smoothy >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: >> http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: >> http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 22:55:22 2008 Received: (qmail 13618 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 21:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 21:55:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686C5430498 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:55:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226D1440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1581334AC054 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:55:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F72434AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:55:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f10.google.com (mail-fx0-f10.google.com [209.85.220.10]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:55:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so208252fxm.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.178.17 with SMTP id f17mr257361mup.45.1228859307439; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:48:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:48:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:48:27 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <200812092126.mB9LQZmT012574@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812092126.mB9LQZmT012574@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bc4dca1f43de49fb Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 22:55:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ee94a229065368819438 > > What about an OM-3Ti Odyssey ? That might be the only way some of us > actually get to see and feel one "in the flesh". Anyone have a spare Body > or 2 to circulate the globe for the next few years ? > No problem. I'll offer mine up for that purpose. Hand delivered, of course. You'll be responsible for "shipping costs". :) AG-globetrotter-Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 22:56:14 2008 Received: (qmail 15009 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 21:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 21:56:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E584304A8 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:56:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC66C440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDBC34AC04D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:56:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82DE34AC03E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:56:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id E69477C1TD for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:56:06 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:55:34 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <493EE445.6050701@m93.myzen.co.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Olympus XA Thread-Index: AclaRdx+kVPKq08xQGaR4bfK83EyqAAAvjUg From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2008 21:56:06.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFD504F0:01C95A48] Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus XA X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 22:56:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ee97e131831234514069 I may have one at home. I'll check. -----Original Message----- From: Martyn Smoothy [mailto:photo@m93.myzen.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:34 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus XA Just the original XA..... Timpe, Jim wrote: > You only interested in a plain XA? Not a 2? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martyn Smoothy [mailto:photo@m93.myzen.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:22 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] Olympus XA > > > Hi, > > Seem to recall that someone posted a "for sale" on an Olympus XA a few > days ago... (had a clean up & lost the original post). > If it's still on offer please get back to me - or if anyone else has one > > they no longer need, I'd be interested. > > Regards - Martyn Smoothy > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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I may pick one up from one of the sellers. I did contact him initially. > > > > --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Martyn Smoothy wrote: > > >> From: Martyn Smoothy >> Subject: [OM] Olympus XA >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 4:21 PM >> Hi, >> >> Seem to recall that someone posted a "for sale" >> on an Olympus XA a few >> days ago... (had a clean up & lost the original post). >> If it's still on offer please get back to me - or if >> anyone else has one >> they no longer need, I'd be interested. >> >> Regards - Martyn Smoothy >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: >> http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: >> http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 23:04:20 2008 Received: (qmail 1360 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 22:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 22:04:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AE24304CF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:04:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582AC440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:04:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFB634AC067 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:04:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.057 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.057 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B0434AC05C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:04:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f10.google.com (mail-fx0-f10.google.com [209.85.220.10]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:04:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so214688fxm.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.76.16 with SMTP id y16mr299741fga.17.1228859843451; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:57:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.78.11 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:57:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:57:23 +0000 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Random Zuiko photo X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 23:04:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493eeb64137022070262475 Hi all. Warning, on topic photo. 35/2 on 5D. I haven't really made much effort to compare the 35/2 Zuiko with the Canon 35mm lenses, but basically I think they're all good in their place... I've only taken the zuiko out a couple of times so far, and I don't think I ever shot any colour film with it in the old days, but I do see a lot of what I used to like about it in the 5D files. Very high resolution with smooth low contrast that makes for lots of options in printing. Definitely a keeper. http://www.flickr.com/photos/8943748@N07/3096567848/sizes/o/ Tom -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 23:05:23 2008 Received: (qmail 5007 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 22:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 22:05:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE1E4304AD for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0937440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:05:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C265134AC060 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:05:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E7C34AC05C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:05:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.63]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:05:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 59562 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2008 22:05:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RynIWeoVM1l7PoUog3H25DwIrCpdc8_gIexA_fxv5j6fMee7rjW_mWIg1fv69n5iT8QS8tVBaNms6F7WDV1LEwZ9kumwo2L80EoiK4NqIWN8PLarqPznKGZTe94d9BuMqmDsPkx7tIrETbAz41StCM8zYplLipDUSt6wKw.qWL85ySpWjYIhc7DatKojG30q8DR9dsu3A2cpmbY9MX3ohGJgLTJLvA-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:05:17 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:05:17 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493EEA00.3000401@m93.myzen.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <560536.58988.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus XA X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 23:05:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493eeba3135321234514069 Well according to the one guy - his XA works. Comes with original box, etc. --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Martyn Smoothy wrote: > From: Martyn Smoothy > Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus XA > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 4:58 PM > Remarkably good price, provided it works... :-) > > > AS wrote: > > There are a couple XA's on Craiglist Buffalo for > $20. I may pick one up from one of the sellers. I did > contact him initially. > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Martyn Smoothy > wrote: > > > > > >> From: Martyn Smoothy > >> Subject: [OM] Olympus XA > >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > > >> Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 4:21 PM > >> Hi, > >> > >> Seem to recall that someone posted a "for > sale" > >> on an Olympus XA a few > >> days ago... (had a clean up & lost the > original post). > >> If it's still on offer please get back to me - > or if > >> anyone else has one > >> they no longer need, I'd be interested. > >> > >> Regards - Martyn Smoothy > >> -- > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> Options: > >> > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >> Archives: > >> > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: > http://www.tope.nl/ > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 23:18:23 2008 Received: (qmail 17553 invoked by uid 0); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 23:18:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493eeeaf100111073733319 G-NOME....for the vertically challenged photographers amongst us (also known as shorta****S) Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK --- On Tue, 9/12/08, Ken Norton wrote: > From: Ken Norton > Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Tuesday, 9 December, 2008, 6:40 PM > > I can't think of an Olympus-relevant five letter > word beginning G.... > G-REAT -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 9 23:21:59 2008 Received: (qmail 17422 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 22:21:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:21:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so255387ewy.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.193.13 with SMTP id v13mr255590mup.125.1228861308533; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:21:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:21:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:21:48 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <200812092143.mB9Lhdts023071@mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812092143.mB9Lhdts023071@mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 02e6a931729a808d Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 9 23:21:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493eef87219949117217770 > > ...and what cost in energy to send all this stuff as paper documents via > the postal system One postcard probably has a carbon footprint of 962 pounds. I always get a kick out of some of these "carbon footprint" calculations. Depending on how you bend the numbers, the results are quite entertaining. Reminds me of the perpetual-motion machine. According to some opinions, it takes like 10 pounds of coal to mine one pound of coal. We'd run out of coal before we ever got a fire started in the furnace. Or my favorite is that based on one calculation our household has a carbon-footprint of 3.78 tonnes per year. But on another calculation by those with an axe to grind, the hallway nightlight consumes 4 tonnes. The reality is, efficiency is ALWAYS driven by money. If it comes to starving myself or the car, the car loses. This summer, when gasoline prices went to obscene levels, my Zuiko Carrier stayed parked more than it has ever been. On a positive note, now that the prices have dropped, my driving has not really increased as other topics of Zuiko-pointing have been found not requiring much distance. So, therefore, even though I don't get too anal about carbon-footprints and zero-impact living, I do believe that when given options for efficient living or supporting renewables, I should make use of them. But when the alternative to photography is carving stones because of perceived carbon-footprint, I say somebody has gone loony. OM System - The ultimate photographic renewable resource AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 00:18:25 2008 Received: (qmail 14618 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 23:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 23:18:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419AA4304DD for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E814440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FACC1A01BC for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:18:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAAB1A01A8 for ; 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d="scan'208";a="241932939" References: <546433.84277.qm@web86009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 00:18:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493efcc141811023412894 Sorry, but I claimed that one in the first response to Piers Hemy's original message today :-) jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN DUGGAN" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > G-NOME....for the vertically challenged photographers amongst us (also > known as shorta****S) > > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK > > > --- On Tue, 9/12/08, Ken Norton wrote: > >> From: Ken Norton >> Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Date: Tuesday, 9 December, 2008, 6:40 PM >> > I can't think of an Olympus-relevant five letter >> word beginning G.... >> G-REAT > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 00:21:43 2008 Received: (qmail 9025 invoked by uid 0); 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Accepted (Sender first seen 25 days 16:21:13 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89B425F22E3 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:21:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RjdW384oz9HE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E466725F22D4 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:21:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:21:29 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 00:21:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493efd8784509347015869 > From: Chris Barker > > I recommend Aperture for your .ORF files ... Seconded! The ONLY thing Olympus Master is fit for is for loading camera firmware. And even though that happens rarely, I nearly vomit when I have to fire up Olympus Master to do even that. :::: The record is clear that left to their own devices, the automobile manufacturers lack the wisdom or the will or both to switch decisively to the production of inexpensive, compact, energy-saving cars appropriate to our present needs. -- Donald E. Weeden, 1975 :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 00:36:57 2008 Received: (qmail 19747 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 23:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 23:36:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87463430530 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:36:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF3F440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:36:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C711A0214 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:36:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADAF1A0217 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:36:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mB9Najuu020528 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:36:46 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:36:42 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 00:36:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f011945961585427447 For lenses, I propose Zuiko 16mm, if you don't have one, Zuiko 500mm is also fine ;-) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > Hmm. May I propose an OM-3Ti shooting event/competition? > > Hey, how about a competition with each number individually. If you don't > have one model, no problem as you just compete in the category you are > able > to. How about lens focal-length? > > AG (stirring the pot) Schnozz > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 00:41:22 2008 Received: (qmail 20790 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 23:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 23:41:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019EC4304F0 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:41:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20993440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:41:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0816C1A01FE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:41:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBED1A021F for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:41:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9NfFge026826 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:41:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id mB9NeH8b026115 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:40:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mBA0jMeW026065 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:45:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200812100045.mBA0jMeW026065@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:41:32 -0800 To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" From: Richard Man Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 2583843 - 1f7f842c4587 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Subject: [OM] The Shrek Donkey X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 00:41:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f0222274441585427447 Firstly, thanks to all who answered on and off list re: Old Lady Dog Kiva. :-( *** Out here in the Silicon Valley, instead of Britney and Lindsay, our celebrities have names like Jobs and Page. We also have the Shrek Donkey. Yes, THE Shrek Donkey. For details and picture, see my latest blog entry http://richardfman.wordpress.com. // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 00:46:25 2008 Received: (qmail 27508 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 23:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 23:46:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83234304DC for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:46:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEAB440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A5734AC005 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:46:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.507 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.507 required=7 tests=[NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.407, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5E034AC00D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:46:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 25 days 21:57:09 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:46:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7803 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2008 17:45:50 -0600 Received: from pool-96-248-141-77.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.248.141.77) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 17:45:49 -0600 Message-ID: <493F033B.1050605@ctgonline.org> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:46:03 -0600 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200812100045.mBA0jMeW026065@mail.imagecraft.com> In-Reply-To: <200812100045.mBA0jMeW026065@mail.imagecraft.com> Subject: Re: [OM] The Shrek Donkey X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 00:46:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f035135102046811720 Richard Man wrote: > Firstly, thanks to all who answered on and off list re: Old Lady Dog Kiva. :-( > > *** > Out here in the Silicon Valley, instead of Britney and Lindsay, our > celebrities have names like Jobs and Page. We also have the Shrek > Donkey. Yes, THE Shrek Donkey. For details and picture, see my latest > blog entry http://richardfman.wordpress.com. > > > // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, > please use richard at imagecraft.com) > "We can stay up late, swapping manly stories, and in the morning, I'm making waffles!" -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 00:52:31 2008 Received: (qmail 16564 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 23:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 23:52:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CCA4304CC for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63365440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:52:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3714C1A025B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:52:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9531A1A0240 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:52:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web86008.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86008.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.93]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:52:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17543 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2008 23:52:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fGtusqAVM1kCOfwbfg.6Wk_TfefaCxUPTRyKo6HYpy2qs4X6M2aAko5sGNnkGpJSA3_7Uh.9ilWWN3XQJIlh4IBeVkhlwaxpGMu_NGHKN9.KE8o3C509hoaMonsX3etKx43zo8Rl9n4mKdvAt7BaPWQOkQa_vUEzvWu9llanGboCHrNYNKf3dlkeAQ5IbykfCtsyG00NLcBiHqf4mg-- Received: from [86.162.162.41] by web86008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:52:21 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:52:21 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <662C0A5E6DE545D6A07273F4579354DC@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <859448.17052.qm@web86008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 00:52:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f04bf160962336821329 Grovelling apology....replied BEFORE reading all my messages!!! Slap tp the head. ;-0 Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK ............................................................................ --- On Tue, 9/12/08, John Hudson wrote: > From: John Hudson > Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Tuesday, 9 December, 2008, 11:18 PM > Sorry, but I claimed that one in the first response to Piers > Hemy's original > message today :-) > > jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 00:55:31 2008 Received: (qmail 27525 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 23:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 23:55:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C6943052E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2FC440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E59334AC002 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:55:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0407534AC00C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:55:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:55:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.beb.331803bf (37564) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB041-5c4d493f054a142; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:54:53 -0500 Received: from FWM-D39 (fwm-d39.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.15]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA023-5c4d493f054a142; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:54:50 -0500 References: <200812092126.mB9LQZmT012574@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:54:50 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 67.190.32.211 In-Reply-To: <200812092126.mB9LQZmT012574@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nsurit@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 67.190.32.211 by FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.15) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:54:50 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB2870A86B2080-14C0-AB2@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 00:55:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f0573272911073733319 What about an OM-3Ti Odyssey ? Now there is an idea!? Can I be first on the list?? Remember with the OM 1 Odyssey I only kept it less than a day.??????? My memory is slipping a bit and I think I could remeber to ship it on its way.? <{B^)? Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 00:56:24 2008 Received: (qmail 13556 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2008 23:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 23:56:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941894304C6 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:56:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABF3440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:56:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C858D34AC009 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:56:19 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 7.106 X-Spam-Level: ******* X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=7.106 required=7 tests=[DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=1.394, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=3, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, RDNS_NONE=0.1] X-Spam-Report: * 1.1 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is a abuseable web server * [41.208.50.176 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] * 3.0 RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET RBL: Received via a relay in bl.spamcop.net * [Blocked - see ] * 1.4 DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 Date: is 3 to 6 hours before Received: date * 1.5 MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER Message-Id was added by a relay * 0.1 RDNS_NONE Delivered to trusted network by a host with no rDNS Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590E734AC002 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:56:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 13 days 12:14:50 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:56:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19327009.54011228867465381.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from gprs02.rb.mtnns.net ([41.208.50.176]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 931 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:04:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:18:48 +0200 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 00:56:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f05a8134801838542571 In thinking about a theme, in the context of my message which got this whole thing started, I am all for a theme of "minimalism". i.e. for the competition/event to accept entries of photographs made with an OM-1/OM-3 which adhere to a style of minimalism, with a non-busy or stark subject being explored. ? On 09 Dec 2008, at 7:51 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Any ideas for a theme? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 01:04:52 2008 Received: (qmail 6668 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 00:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 00:04:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF3B4304E4 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:04:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127EA440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:04:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026F81A02DA for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:04:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD6F1A02A8 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:04:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:04:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12792 invoked by uid 502); 10 Dec 2008 00:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.204.63) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 00:04:40 -0000 Message-ID: <493F0791.5030505@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:04:33 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 01:04:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f07a4238189117217770 Ken Norton wrote: > Just a note on DCRAW conversions with Oly files. When dealing with saturated yellows and oranges, DCRAW will tend to create a checkerboard pattern in the highlights. This is particularily harsh with the E-1, but I believe other bodies (specifically the Kodak sensored ones) will do this too. > > Rumor has it, it's because the RGBG pattern is actually reversed in the Olympus. Instead of RGBG, its GRGB. Inotherwords, the mapping start point is off in DCRAW. Initially, ACR hadthis problem. > Have you checked recently? I saw in the code when I was messing about with getting the A650 IS going that there is special handling for Oly RAW files. Also, there are four different demosaicing algorithms available. More - Those applications that use dcraw or its code within their own GUI and other bells and whistles don't necessarily use all of it. RawTherapee, for example, uses dcraw to get the RAW data out of the files, but applies its own demosaicing algorithms. There is a comparison of a whole lot of different demosaicing results here. They aren't for ORF, but I find it illuminating to see the wide variation. The effect you have seen may have nothing to do with the RGBG pattern and everything to do with choice of demosaicing algorithm. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 01:17:11 2008 Received: (qmail 16553 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 00:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 00:17:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AE643058F for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:17:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0431A440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:17:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E422C34AC00C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:17:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA9A34AC009 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:17:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19485 invoked by uid 502); 10 Dec 2008 00:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.178.253) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 00:17:03 -0000 Message-ID: <493F0A7C.3050200@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:17:00 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 01:17:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f0a8668745368819438 Joel Wilcox wrote: > > Ken, do you have a version of DCRAW that outputs a 16-bit TIFF? I played with UFRaw (which uses DCRAW engine) with E-3 ORF files and liked it but couldn't get it to save in 16-bit -- 8-bit only. > Dcraw has 16 bit built-in. Whether a particular app that uses all or part of dcraw implements that is their own choice. Raw Therapee and VueScan both do so. RawTherapee is free and provides a rather contemporary style interface with all the sliders and adjustments one is likely to want. When used directly (option -4), dcraw outputs a 16 bit TIFF with linear luminance, i.e. gamma of 1.0, so it looks very dark in most viewers and requires gamma change in post. There is an very useful tutorial on dcraw here. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 01:18:44 2008 Received: (qmail 100 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 00:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 00:18:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623E24304DF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:18:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5995440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50C61A03C8 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:18:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62A41A03D9 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:18:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.155]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so134914yxi.80 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.13.10 with SMTP id 10mr491925wam.219.1228868315455; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:18:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.103.21 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:18:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0812091618y4247fce3h70fc1b6881d892a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:18:35 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493F0A7C.3050200@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> <493F0A7C.3050200@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 01:18:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f0ae4284691023412894 Thanks Moose. Joel W. On 12/9/08, Moose wrote: > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> >> Ken, do you have a version of DCRAW that outputs a 16-bit TIFF? I played >> with UFRaw (which uses DCRAW engine) with E-3 ORF files and liked it but >> couldn't get it to save in 16-bit -- 8-bit only. >> > Dcraw has 16 bit built-in. Whether a particular app that uses all or > part of dcraw implements that is their own choice. Raw Therapee and > VueScan both do so. > > RawTherapee is free and provides a rather contemporary style interface > with all the sliders and adjustments one is likely to want. > > > When used directly (option -4), dcraw outputs a 16 bit TIFF with linear > luminance, i.e. gamma of 1.0, so it looks very dark in most viewers and > requires gamma change in post. > > There is an very useful tutorial on dcraw here. > > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 01:41:36 2008 Received: (qmail 7836 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 00:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 00:41:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A954305EA for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:41:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9497440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:41:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF3534AC00C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:41:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EF534AC002 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:41:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:41:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u5so97466tia.10 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.5.3 with SMTP id 3mr1006372tie.2.1228869686564; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (203-214-124-73.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.214.124.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b4sm1498374tic.2.2008.12.09.16.41.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:41:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493F1031.6010700@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:41:21 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <493F0791.5030505@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493F0791.5030505@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] c5050z raw files on Mac (was: Oly Master on Mac) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 01:41:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f1040177389117217770 Ken Norton wrote: > Just a note on DCRAW conversions with Oly files. [...] One minor annoyance on my Mac was its seeming inability to deal with the ORF files from my Oly c5050z, and the unlikelihood of Apple/Olympus (not sure which) providing that capability. Thus, for Aperture, I've had to use another small application to convert all of my c5050z ORF files to DNG (Digital Negative) files. During the course of my investigations, I noted advice on how to edit a particular system file on the iMac to tell it that the c5050z file was a c7070z file (which it could deal with), but it appeared subsequent upgrades removed that ability (the system file did not appear to be where specified, nor anywhere else). It's only a minor annoyance, because I don't use the c5050z anymore and haven't for a long while, but it'd be nice if it did. Hell, it might even have me get out the c5050z again (I always liked the images obtained from its ("Super")macro ability). Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 01:57:20 2008 Received: (qmail 24875 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 00:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 00:57:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258CF430539 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:57:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2B9440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DF31A050F for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:57:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82131A04FE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:57:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:57:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1508 invoked by uid 504); 10 Dec 2008 00:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 00:57:09 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081209192146.010e0048@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:57:12 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 01:57:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f13f040921234514069 house renovations, House Renovations..... I once deprived myself of camera gear early in my life due to frugality and miserliness. I wasted many years of lost photography because of that. So, during a period between wives (almost wrote lives), I satisfied myself and did not deny myself. It was a great release and rejuvenation. But now, I am in the same boat, the house is falling apart: http://www.zuik.net/public/house_MG_5626.jpg Rotting at the base. So I do all the repair myself, but do I get a new camera for all that work? Nooo.., just soar muscles and the wife's realization that - Next Year -, we can replace the whole thing with sliders and a new design. And dare I mention getting a new camera. Noooo, We'llll see, gotta have the ...... first. Even though I'm saving thousands for my effort. So, don't deny yourself, Please, your life is not getting longer. I don't care what gear you have, let loose. Even if it means using what you have, don't waste time, time cannot be replaced. If you can't use that OM-3t, find someone who can, but get the camera you want now. Forget the budget shackles. Photographic Sloth - is a deadly sin - and should not be tolerated! Thinking you should do something versus wanting to do something are two different things. WayneS - evangelical camera gear photographic proselyte engaging in a little projection onto the situation and psychotherapeutic release ... OK, I feel better...Forget the budget.... Time is the budget. ... and I resemble that... At 11:07 AM 12/9/2008, IanW wrote: >Due to our house renovations going well over budget, yep poor quality >and they overcharge you for it - then they expect you to thank them for >it, I am imposing a ban on buying new camera equipment for myself during >next year, It's not so much of a sacrifice given the equipment I already >own, but AG and Dawid have reawakened my memory as to why I bought the >3Ti, so my new years resolution will be to use and appreciate what I >have now and stop worrying about how to afford an E-5 or whatever comes >next. I will have to pay for film but I am sure it will be a lot less >that a new E thingy. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 02:49:25 2008 Received: (qmail 1078 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 01:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 01:49:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDCF43058B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744E6440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:49:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569371A0629 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:49:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFB31A0621 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:49:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.124]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 93454 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2008 01:49:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xmaJttcVM1mh2lfHBakG8LHMvzuZBNCKAVW.UseImWqYubujMj3AqD2E6ljgAofwWOmPJ6dyweH1dWUdny9FHMTc.dlT5_GXpX4pxi297z27BS3Q_br68hvMdNgvSHV_a0Dw72Q6KnS7F.JHVqVc4HNTOnUMpudz6a_q4eT_8AcpreRjqZF1yTrGVpK1 Received: from [71.97.4.235] by web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:49:14 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:49:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <945339.93278.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Test X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 02:49:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f202575658512572685 =A0 =A0I just received a msg =A0on list time stamped 4 o'clock this afterno= on, it is 7:47pm local time nowI had been getting msg's all day, but everyt= hing slowed to a stop a while ago. So I'm checking to see how long this tak= es to post. Tia,Jerry Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 03:07:49 2008 Received: (qmail 32366 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 02:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 02:07:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A334843060D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44534440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286E11A0C2E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:07:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120031A0C33 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:07:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7EA3140B8 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:28:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9593140A9 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:28:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493F2470.2080007@interisland.net> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:07:44 -0800 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081209-1, 12/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus XA X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 03:07:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f2474302361234514069 I have an XA and XA2. I'd be willing to sell either or both. I might even have two of the XA2's and an A11. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 03:18:39 2008 Received: (qmail 3887 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 02:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 02:18:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFE143058C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D393D440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BFC1A0C5F for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:18:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9292F1A0C56 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:18:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18703 invoked by uid 504); 10 Dec 2008 02:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 02:18:30 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:18:35 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za > References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 03:18:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f26ff20081744846740 Further amend proposal: to allow shooting in manual mode on an OM. That way we can see if the 3Ti really has any advantage over a 4T for instance. And to really see if it works, to use slide film, which is less forgiving than print film..... As I recall, the shutter on the OM-4t is still mechanical, come to think of it, so is the E-1... WayneS At 12:51 PM 12/9/2008, David wrote: >Dear AG, now you are really stirring the pot. > >May I propose an amendment to your proposal, whereby a shooting event/ >competition does not only include those (lucky buggers) who own >an OM-3Ti, but rather to include the mechanical bodies in general? ... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 03:35:18 2008 Received: (qmail 23852 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 02:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 02:35:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E207430616 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:35:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3478C440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:35:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B961A0C9C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:35:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673FD1A0C98 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:35:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f15.google.com (mail-bw0-f15.google.com [209.85.218.15]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so630241bwz.14 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.214.13 with SMTP id r13mr342853muq.37.1228876510732; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.123.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:35:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:35:10 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <859448.17052.qm@web86008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <662C0A5E6DE545D6A07273F4579354DC@hudson> <859448.17052.qm@web86008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 50d0915221013086 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 03:35:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f2ae665231073733319 > > Grovelling apology....replied BEFORE reading all my messages!!! Slap tp the > head. ;-0 G-OLEM Sorry, couldn't resist. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 03:50:05 2008 Received: (qmail 32069 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 02:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 02:50:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0EA430634 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B42440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB981A0CC0 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:49:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AAD1A0CBE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:49:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50443 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LAF9A-0003Yo-2G for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:49:56 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:49:54 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) Thread-Index: AclacfqpOSvW3MZlEd2NnwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 03:50:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f2e5d325591257536491 The 4t has a mechanically driven, electronically controlled shutter. That means that springs and gears open and close the shutter curtains, but the timing is done by electronics. I agree on allowing the 4t. I never, ever use mine in auto mode, manual only. I will never be able to afford an OM-3 and the OM-1 is not even worthy of consideration now that I've used the spot meter on the OM-4T. I sold my OM-1 earlier this year, partly because I needed the money for rent and partly because I hadn't used it in years. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 12/9/08 9:18 PM, "WayneS" wrote: > Further amend proposal: to allow shooting in manual mode on an OM. > That way we can see if the 3Ti really has any advantage over > a 4T for instance. And to really see if it works, to use slide film, > which is less forgiving than print film..... As I recall, the shutter > on the OM-4t is still mechanical, come to think of it, so is the E-1... > > WayneS > > At 12:51 PM 12/9/2008, David wrote: >> Dear AG, now you are really stirring the pot. >> >> May I propose an amendment to your proposal, whereby a shooting event/ >> competition does not only include those (lucky buggers) who own >> an OM-3Ti, but rather to include the mechanical bodies in general? > ... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 04:37:18 2008 Received: (qmail 27532 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 03:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 03:37:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C42430987 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C254440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1ADC34AC005 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:37:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92EC234AC002 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:37:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.123]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBA3b9VD004474 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:37:10 +1100 Message-Id: <200812100337.mBA3b9VD004474@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:37:09 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:37:09 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Test X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 04:37:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9992 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f396e27571035110158 > Jerry Smith wrote: > > Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! > So why are you worried ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 04:54:26 2008 Received: (qmail 3636 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 03:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 03:54:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5496843096D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:54:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ACC3440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:54:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4742034AC009 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:54:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC8B34AC005 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:54:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4439 invoked by uid 502); 10 Dec 2008 03:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.202.202) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 03:54:15 -0000 Message-ID: <493F3D63.8010505@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:54:11 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <14208006.1072891228822943158.JavaMail.www@wwinf6103> <9B9240FC-9BAA-4A71-9D26-F3314881A080@threeshoes.net> <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <749D67A8-5C78-49EC-B9F2-ED798FE37592@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 04:54:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f3d72119631073733319 Chris Barker wrote: > Tsk, Frank. Too much trouble? You could use a time switch. Mechanical, of course, wouldn't want to waste electricity. > We'll never save the world from climate change without something like that ... > Any extra heat I generate winding it and that it generates running should displace that amount of house heating, so that's OK. But wait. Methane is worse than CO2, isn't it? So if the food I eat to generate the energy to wind the mechanism generates methane (as it has been known to do), is that worse than the relatively clean source of the electricity to run the modem in the first place - or at least the electric timer. And what's the relative carbon footprint of each timer? If I don't buy one, will one less be made? Or will one more go directly in the trash somewhere without serving any useful purpose at all to justify its creation? A. Confused Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 05:24:12 2008 Received: (qmail 5082 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 04:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 04:24:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA5E43098B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D70440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294D53610002 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:24:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E923610003 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:24:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19479 invoked by uid 502); 10 Dec 2008 04:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.163.0) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 04:24:03 -0000 Message-ID: <493F445F.5080407@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:23:59 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 05:24:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f446c321801585427447 Chris Barker wrote: > Lovely colours, Moose. I'm still not that keen on the sawtooth effect that you get with your mountain ranges, but I wonder if it isn't in fact really quite true to life. > Oh indeed it is. From my perspective, your "mountains" are really old, tired and worn down. From the Rockies West, the US mainland has many relatively young mountain ranges with jagged, sharp looking crests. The ridge around this double cirque is about as jagged as it looks, with 14,000 ft. peaks, and steeper for a greater height on the back side. We tend to call the soft, rolling heights of many of the coastal ranges in Calif. hills, where they would be called mountains in some other places. There are plenty of soft, often really beautiful 'mountains' in Calif and the West, but they tend to be overshadowed, sometimes literally, by the latter, younger, more rugged ranges. In the particular case at hand, the mountains in question are the Olympic range on the Olympic Peninsula, in Mike's neck of the woods. Not particularly tall, relative to other Western ranges, but properly rugged, with steep slopes, sawtooth ridges, snow caps with several glaciers. And boy are they wet! They give real meaning to the term 'temperate rain forest'. > Chris > (trying not to be wrongly critical) > It's OK, I've just dissed your mountains. ;-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 05:32:34 2008 Received: (qmail 26166 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 04:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 04:32:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53210430941 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89681440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:32:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5861A0DAA for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 05:32:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f466279694673671140 More likely owned by an anesthesiologist or anesthetist> Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > An example of truly personalized plate is " IPASGAS" which I saw in > Calgary, > Alberta years ago ............ believed to be owned by someone in the > natural gas industry -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 06:20:31 2008 Received: (qmail 16459 invoked by uid 0); 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On 10 Dec 2008, at 5:37 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Jerry Smith wrote: >> >> Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! >> > > So why are you worried ? -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 06:39:57 2008 Received: (qmail 4228 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 05:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 05:39:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC1E4309F6 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:39:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0852440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0711A0E23 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:39:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.005 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.005 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65ED1A0E1C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:39:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 13 days 17:58:22 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:39:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-9-30.iburst.co.za ([41.213.9.30]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 25 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:47:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:39:41 +0200 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 06:39:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f562d41171023412894 Hmm... I would imagine it's a more purpose-driven and specific competition if using manual-only cameras, but if there is enough interest for using 2's and 4's then so be it...? If we let loose on the OM gear that can be used, then I do think some specific guidelines around the subject matter are in order. So, does everybody think "minimalism" makes for a good topic for the subject matter? It would be interesting to see how you all interpret such a topic photographically - Lastly, any idea around time frames? Perhaps its a good idea to look at results after December, since during this holiday period many people will have a lot of time to photograph, but not to process and think about things. And our enlarger's timer is still busted :-) *and* I still need to learn to do hand printing properly... P.S. I really do feel that it would be preferable to limit to OM-1 and OM-3 (all-mechanical bodies) - not because the result necessarily looks any different from the electronic bodies, but because it was my rant on the photographic process with an OM-1/3 - which we have somehow "lost" with modern equipment - which got this idea started, and those bodies exemplify that process. Not only that, they enforce it. Even though, of course, we can follow it with any other body. I have been doing manual exposure + incident metering for quite some time with my 9FPS Canon EOS, which is why I could let it go so easily. But it's somehow not the same thing. Your thoughts? And Wayne, I don't think an OM-3 has any advantage over an OM-4 in terms of producing the photographic result, so there may not be anything to see... On 10 Dec 2008, at 4:18 AM, WayneS wrote: > Further amend proposal: to allow shooting in manual mode on an OM. > That way we can see if the 3Ti really has any advantage over > a 4T for instance. And to really see if it works, to use slide film, > which is less forgiving than print film..... As I recall, the shutter > on the OM-4t is still mechanical, come to think of it, so is the > E-1... > > WayneS > > At 12:51 PM 12/9/2008, David wrote: >> Dear AG, now you are really stirring the pot. >> >> May I propose an amendment to your proposal, whereby a shooting >> event/ >> competition does not only include those (lucky buggers) who own >> an OM-3Ti, but rather to include the mechanical bodies in general? > ... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 06:52:37 2008 Received: (qmail 9294 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 05:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 05:52:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4008643095B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B55440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A857134AC005 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:52:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B23034AC002 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:52:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50609 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LAHzs-0007RG-Gj for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:52:32 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:52:30 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Minimalism competition Thread-Index: Aclai3zyu6/rM8Z+Ed2CyAAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 06:52:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f5925139582070262475 On 12/10/08 12:39 AM, "Dawid Loubser" wrote: > > P.S. I really do feel that it would be preferable to limit to OM-1 and > OM-3 (all-mechanical > bodies) - not because the result necessarily looks any different from > the electronic bodies, but > because it was my rant on the photographic process with an OM-1/3 - > which we have somehow "lost" > with modern equipment - which got this idea started, and those bodies > exemplify that process. > Not only that, they enforce it. Even though, of course, we can follow > it with any other body. > > I have been doing manual exposure + incident metering for quite some > time with my 9FPS Canon EOS, > which is why I could let it go so easily. But it's somehow not the > same thing. > > Your thoughts? And Wayne, I don't think an OM-3 has any advantage over > an OM-4 in terms of producing > the photographic result, so there may not be anything to see... > Some of us don't have access to an all mechanical OM. But I could use my Hasselblad...It doesn't even have a meter. You can't get any more manual than that! On the other hand, my Mamiya 645 doesn't have a meter either but it has an electronically timed shutter! -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 07:37:21 2008 Received: (qmail 13756 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 06:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 06:37:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54D64309C2 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04BA440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB6A1A0E97 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:37:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.005 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.005 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354AD1A0E9A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:37:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 13 days 18:55:43 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:37:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20641916.54041228891518313.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-9-30.iburst.co.za ([41.213.9.30]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 669 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:45:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:37:00 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 07:37:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f63a1171631823421471 Fair enough - it's all in good fun in anyway. As long as the electronic-shutter people use their camera on manual! In fact, let this competition inspire you all to go and use your OM gear, and do so in manual mode. Even better with an incident light meter - I certainly almost never switch my OM-1's meter on. Ag Schnozz is very quiet on this (sleeping?) since he graciously offered to host the competition... What do you think about the parameters of the competition, Ken? And yes, maybe it shouldn't be called a competition, but rather a collective event... On 10 Dec 2008, at 7:52 AM, Chris Crawford wrote: > > Some of us don't have access to an all mechanical OM. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 08:40:39 2008 Received: (qmail 30812 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 07:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 07:40:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF5D430987 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D45C440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:40:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF351A0F37 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:40:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1DFF1A0F40 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:40:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 10 Dec 2008 18:40:24 +1100 Message-ID: <100-64723f49-25398.005@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:40:20 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <100-77903e49-25401.016@comkal.net> References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <100-77903e49-25401.016@comkal.net> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 08:40:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f727764851023412894 Hi everyone, Thank you everyone for all the info etc. Oly website says to call support for a OM2 software update, after last time I figured probably not worth it so found the software on the Oly US website instead. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Jumbo Shrimp, Military Intelligence, Windows Productivity. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 08:56:47 2008 Received: (qmail 2642 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 07:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 07:56:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5DB430981 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:56:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCA1440006 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250D034AC00D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:56:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B3A34AC00C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:56:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mho-02-bos.mailhop.org (mho-02-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.179]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from aste-genev-bois-153-1-11-44.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr ([83.112.73.44] helo=[192.168.147.109]) by mho-02-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1LAJvw-000IIf-78 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:56:36 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 83.112.73.44 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX18EqP8fYeXI82BfIsIfijXb Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <100-64723f49-25398.005@comkal.net> References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <100-77903e49-25401.016@comkal.net> <100-64723f49-25398.005@comkal.net> Message-Id: <05D8B58C-325F-4DFF-B96F-C002B07F5785@ThomasClausen.org> From: Thomas Heide Clausen Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:56:49 +0100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 08:56:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f763f17831946193717 On Dec 10, 2008, at 08:40 AM, Ian Manners wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Thank you everyone for all the info etc. > > Oly website says to call support for a OM2 software update, > after last time I figured probably not worth it so found the software > on the Oly US website instead. > Gee, all this time, and I didn't know that my OM2 had any software in it, let alone that it was updateable. Paging JohnH, where's the USB-connector: http://olympus.dementia.org/Hardware/PDFs/OM-2_1of5.pdf ;) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 09:00:24 2008 Received: (qmail 6435 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 08:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 08:00:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A87E4309F3 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A3A440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EAEE1A0F79 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:00:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666001A0F78 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:00:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1LAJzV-0002An-00 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:00:17 -0500 Message-ID: <493F7714.1090304@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:00:20 -0800 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493EE169.4010008@m93.myzen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <493EE169.4010008@m93.myzen.co.uk> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081209-1, 12/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus XA X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 09:00:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f7718131949117217770 That would be me, check your mailbox for an offlist reply. Jim Couch Martyn Smoothy wrote: > Hi, > > Seem to recall that someone posted a "for sale" on an Olympus XA a few > days ago... (had a clean up & lost the original post). > If it's still on offer please get back to me - or if anyone else has one > they no longer need, I'd be interested. > > Regards - Martyn Smoothy > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 09:20:45 2008 Received: (qmail 11778 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 08:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 08:20:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7074B43017F for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:20:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D0F440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CDD34AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:20:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3920434AC00C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:20:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 10 Dec 2008 19:20:36 +1100 Message-ID: <100-d47b3f49-37732.006@unixos2.com> From: "Dr Who?" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:20:36 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <05D8B58C-325F-4DFF-B96F-C002B07F5785@ThomasClausen.org> References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <100-77903e49-25401.016@comkal.net> <100-64723f49-25398.005@comkal.net> <100-64723f49-25398.005@comkal.net> <05D8B58C-325F-4DFF-B96F-C002B07F5785@ThomasClausen.org> Priority: Normal User-Agent: Earth TPortal 4 X-Mailer: Galafrey-loop v92.1 for Tardis18/5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 09:20:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f7bdd227921838542571 Hi Thomas, > Gee, all this time, and I didn't know that my OM2 had any software in > it, let alone that it was updateable. Learn something new everyday :o) > Paging JohnH, where's the USB-connector: Remember, the OM-2 is pre USB :-( Doesn't use USB, its like the old PDP's, you tap it in ;-) Finance majors do it with interest. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 09:32:15 2008 Received: (qmail 30298 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 08:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 08:32:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFEFA4300F0 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:32:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F18440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40C719D94F for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:32:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0149F19D90D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:32:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.188]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so246772mue.0 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.198.20 with SMTP id a20mr421284muq.63.1228897927521; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u26sm867853mug.1.2008.12.10.00.32.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:32:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493F7E84.3080701@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:32:04 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <100-77903e49-25401.016@comkal.net> <100-64723f49-25398.005@comkal.net> <100-64723f49-25398.005@comkal.net> <05D8B58C-325F-4DFF-B96F-C002B07F5785@ThomasClausen.org> <100-d47b3f49-37732.006@unixos2.com> In-Reply-To: <100-d47b3f49-37732.006@unixos2.com> Subject: [OM] Ever-Ready Case alternative X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 09:32:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f7e8f74421470116606 A couple of years ago I bought a pristine ever ready case for my OM the brown one 1,4N, however I used it and it hasn't lasted so long its dried out and cracked etc. If I am to start shooting now in manual mode then I could do with something similar, I have larger bags, but I want something to protect the camera and its lens, any suggestions. thanks IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 09:40:03 2008 Received: (qmail 2899 invoked by uid 0); 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Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f15.google.com (mail-bw0-f15.google.com [209.85.218.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so859712bwz.14 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:39:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.138.16 with SMTP id q16mr431208mun.7.1228898395443; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:39:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s10sm855648muh.18.2008.12.10.00.39.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:39:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493F8059.8010004@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:39:53 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209192146.010e0048@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081209192146.010e0048@zuik.net> Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 09:40:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f8063312601234514069 Well I can't say I am depriving myself of anything, If I can't shoot with the collection I already have then I might as well give up photography,I just want to free myself from the constant reviewing and bargain searching to concentrate on actually using the stuff. It has absolutely nothing to do with my wife threatening to raise my camera and computer tax from 50 percent to 100 percent ;-) WayneS wrote: > house renovations, House Renovations..... > > I once deprived myself of camera gear early in my life due to > frugality and miserliness. I wasted many years of lost photography > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 09:54:25 2008 Received: (qmail 6817 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 08:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 08:54:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D700430223 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:54:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840AB440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABFA34AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:54:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.776 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.776 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_NONELEMENT_30_40=1.775] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A59734AC005 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:54:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-1.orange.nl (smtp-1.orange.nl [193.252.22.241]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:54:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6012.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CA72B1C00082 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:54:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from wwinf6003 (wwinf6003 [172.22.155.30]) by mwinf6012.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C270E1C00081 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:54:13 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081210085413796.C270E1C00081@mwinf6012.online.nl From: wiliam Wagenaar To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <28009369.583191228899253769.JavaMail.www@wwinf6003> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [145.50.39.12] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:54:13 +0100 (CET) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Ever-Ready Case alternative X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 09:54:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f83c1150631946193717 Ian, I might have an original 1.4N Everready case at home. I'll check tonight and get back on it. Wiliam > Datum: 10/12/08 09:32 AM > Van: "swisspace" > Aan: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > CC: > Onderwerp : [OM] Ever-Ready Case alternative > > A couple of years ago I bought a pristine ever ready case for my OM the > brown one 1,4N, however I used it and it hasn't lasted so long its dried > out and cracked etc. If I am to start shooting now in manual mode then I > could do with something similar, I have larger bags, but I want > something to protect the camera and its lens, any suggestions. > > thanks IanW > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 10:06:48 2008 Received: (qmail 14085 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 09:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 09:06:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36AA4300F7 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4470D440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:06:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3396734AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:06:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.057 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.057 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D355F34AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:06:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f10.google.com (mail-fx0-f10.google.com [209.85.220.10]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so270084fxm.14 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:06:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.91.12 with SMTP id o12mr556142fgb.16.1228900000420; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:06:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.78.11 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:06:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:06:40 +0000 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Random Zuiko photo X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 10:06:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f86a8116781234514069 Hmm. Perhaps Nathan is not the only one who doesn't like the large defocussed foreground area... This was becoming an interest of mine - here are another couple of examples! Maybe I should be barking up a different tree... http://www.flickr.com/photos/8943748@N07/3086057632/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/8943748@N07/3040480673/ Tom Hi all. > Warning, on topic photo. 35/2 on 5D. I haven't really made much effort to > compare the 35/2 Zuiko with the Canon 35mm lenses, but basically I think > they're all good in their place... I've only taken the zuiko out a couple > of times so far, and I don't think I ever shot any colour film with it in > the old days, but I do see a lot of what I used to like about it in the 5D > files. Very high resolution with smooth low contrast that makes for lots of > options in printing. Definitely a keeper. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8943748@N07/3096567848/sizes/o/ > > Tom > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 10:15:14 2008 Received: (qmail 3356 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 09:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 09:15:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29194301AE for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E13440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7E934AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:15:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E385334AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:15:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC8C46141B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:32:16 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <753F07AC-D10D-424A-BA61-F268E43F7B70@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:15:05 +0000 References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net><9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com><3C8BA1A885DA49FCBAA8E0087E4B3B83@hudson><572F25B442FF4C03B7DDCCCB1D512D51@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 10:15:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f88a22403675314703 I agree, Martin. But it's all bo*8ox anyway! :-) Chris On 9 Dec 2008, at 19:01, Walters, Martin wrote: > John: > Others still resident in the UK may wish to chime in. As far as I am > aware, you can have, for example, your initials with a number (e.g, MW > 1) or smilar. I presume that you could also have just letters, with or > without spaces. These are not contractions, though they are in the > format or early number plates (e.g., pre-war). I suspect that > "personalized" would have different meanings in the UK and in North > America. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 10:19:11 2008 Received: (qmail 24510 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 09:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 09:19:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C664300E1 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:19:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8604D440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7122819DC2D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:19:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83EF19DB28 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:19:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:19:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD41B461618 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:36:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493F7E84.3080701@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:19:04 +0000 References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <100-77903e49-25401.016@comkal.net> <100-64723f49-25398.005@comkal.net> <100-64723f49-25398.005@comkal.net> <05D8B58C-325F-4DFF-B96F-C002B07F5785@ThomasClausen.org> <100-d47b3f49-37732.006@unixos2.com> <493F7E84.3080701@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Ever-Ready Case alternative X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 10:19:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f898f227601838542571 Ian OpTech do a smallish neoprene ER case which attaches to the camera with a rubber lens ring. I used it for my (long-gone) Contax G1 and G2. Chris On 10 Dec 2008, at 08:32, swisspace wrote: > A couple of years ago I bought a pristine ever ready case for my OM > the > brown one 1,4N, however I used it and it hasn't lasted so long its > dried > out and cracked etc. If I am to start shooting now in manual mode > then I > could do with something similar, I have larger bags, but I want > something to protect the camera and its lens, any suggestions. > > thanks IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 10:32:14 2008 Received: (qmail 3600 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 09:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 09:32:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E224301A6 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:32:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146EE440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0263134AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:32:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD8134AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:32:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F9E4615BC for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:49:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <2E8FB305-2542-4DF5-8D85-85026D67C77D@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:32:07 +0000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] OT -- Friend's walk with cancer X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 10:32:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f8c9e265294673671140 Dear All This has very little to do with Olympus, or even photography, really. I was quite shocked to read an article in yesterday's Independent about the son of a friend who is terminally ill. He's walking Coast to Coast the north of England with a buggered leg (medical term, picked it up from one of our medical students :-)). Here's his Flickr site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tombuckley2000/3014995505/ and giving site: http://www.justgiving.com/thebuckers and the newspaper article: http://tinyurl.com/6mjsaq We knew that he was poorly from a couple of Christmas cards ago, but now it looks like the end. Just thought I'd mention it; it could be very sad, but his endeavour is rather inspirational ... Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 10:35:23 2008 Received: (qmail 3829 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 09:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 09:35:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BF3430167 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:35:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E00440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCDD19DC85 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:35:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA11719DC6D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:35:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4B94615BC for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:52:28 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <111734.95923.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:35:17 +0000 References: <111734.95923.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master 2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 10:35:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f8d5b151709347015869 Have you tried updating Master, Jerry? Chris On 9 Dec 2008, at 19:42, Jerry Smith wrote: > For the E-thingy users out there, I was curious about the > firmware on my E-1, 14-54 and FL-50 flash. I thought Oly Master 2 > would do that, but it will not see my camera. So I called Oly about > it and they said it will not see my E-1, that I should use Oly > Studio 2. They sent me a link to download it for a 30 trial, so I'm > guessing it will cost something to use after that. How have any one > else done this? Are there any current updates for any of these? The > biggest gripe I have is low light focus, although I doubt much being > done now the E-3 is out. TIA, > Jerry > Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 10:46:38 2008 Received: (qmail 21942 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 09:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 09:46:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2984300F7 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:46:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB9E440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7B619DCE7 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:46:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE54019DCE3 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:46:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:46:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E96E461512 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:03:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493F445F.5080407@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:46:30 +0000 References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> <493F445F.5080407@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 10:46:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f8ffe5982046811720 Our mountains are lovely mountains (:-)) And that chap, Tom Buckley, is walking them with one cr*p leg ... I love the Rockies, if only they weren't so far away, and I recognise their relative youth and jaggedness, but it's the way they seem to sit in your photos like an overlay. I had wondered if you had not gone overboard with your sharpening or LCE. Chris On 10 Dec 2008, at 04:23, Moose wrote: > In the particular case at hand, the mountains in question are the > Olympic range on the Olympic Peninsula, in Mike's neck of the woods. > Not > particularly tall, relative to other Western ranges, but properly > rugged, with steep slopes, sawtooth ridges, snow caps with several > glaciers. And boy are they wet! They give real meaning to the term > 'temperate rain forest'. > >> Chris >> (trying not to be wrongly critical) >> > It's OK, I've just dissed your mountains. ;-) > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 11:21:22 2008 Received: (qmail 7272 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 10:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 10:21:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE77430105 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FA4440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0EB619DDCD for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:20:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.409 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.409 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADAF19DDDC for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:20:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.169]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so96674wfd.26 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.14.20 with SMTP id 20mr135353wfn.322.1228904424783; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:20:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.188.20 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:20:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:20:24 +0800 From: "Sandy Harris" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 11:21:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f9822250882336821329 Dawid Loubser wrote: > It would be interesting to see how you all interpret such a topic > photographically - Met an Amerian guy years ago in Istanbul, talked with him a bit about photos and cameras. I had a new Pentax ME; he had something I did not recognise at the time. He said he was a pro, had a large collection of Canon gear including most of the high-end lenses, plus some larger format cameras and a colour darkroom, back home. The thing I did not recognise was a Leica, an old one with no built in meter and he deliberately did not carry an external meter, said he wanted to retrain his eye. Slow black & white film. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 11:24:51 2008 Received: (qmail 32021 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 10:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 10:24:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0621B430135 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C985440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D03834AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:24:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D2534AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:24:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28816 invoked by uid 502); 10 Dec 2008 10:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.174.204) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 10:24:44 -0000 Message-ID: <493F98E5.9040808@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:24:37 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> <493F445F.5080407@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 11:24:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493f98f3283431946193717 Chris Barker wrote: > Our mountains are lovely mountains (:-)) As you say ... > ... > > I love the Rockies, if only they weren't so far away, and I recognise their relative youth and jaggedness, but it's the way they seem to sit in your photos like an overlay. The Olympics are nothing like the scale of the Rockies, but have a rugged profile. The effect may be partially the relatively unusual perspective. The shots are from somewhere over 40 miles away and the mountains seem taller than the are, what with their profile and snow and ice. I assume you are talking about the last two shots. With 300mm lens shot from far away, yet without the "looking upwards" angle seen with taller mountains, they do look unusual. > I had wondered if you had not gone overboard with your sharpening or LCE. > Always a possibility with me. But consider the above, as well. When the weather is clear, they are a big presence. Of course, it's Seattle, so that's not all that often. :-) We had what we were told was far more than our fair share of good weather for that time of year. A clear day is really impressive, with large mountains in all directions. I'll likely be posting some different views of the Olympics. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 12:01:38 2008 Received: (qmail 23676 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 11:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 11:01:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C315430130 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:01:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B2A440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:01:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFE619DF8D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:01:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F85919DF7E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:01:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:01:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19561 invoked by uid 502); 10 Dec 2008 11:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.177.252) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 11:01:27 -0000 Message-ID: <493FA177.8030002@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:01:11 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 12:01:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fa19294051234514069 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Well, like many things, not needing flash is a matter of opinion. And here, we differ, > This non-flash shot, for example, shows much considerable harsh shadow under chins, glasses, some eye sockets and on necks, and cheekbones. All the light is coming from a point source high high above and to the right and > is not kind to these folks. > http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=JuliaGrad/1-Grad&image=_MG_4378crii.jpg > The question may be whether this is portrait photography or something closer to journalism. I personally prefer the pure ambient shots for the ismple reason that they recall what the event and the people in it actually looked like at the time. Looking at them again months later, this feeling is even stronger. The ambient shots take me back to the experience, while the flash shots don't. > The flash version has eliminated those shadows (perhaps too much) and introduced some others behind the folks who are standing close to the wall. Those shadows are also undesirable but it should be possible to > at least minimize them. > http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=JuliaGrad/1-Grad&image=_MG_4380crii.jpg > Hard to disagree. I could certainly remove the shadows on the wall. In fact, I did so on some other shots. And I'm sure your advice given with such care below would result in more balanced exposure than either of the ones I did. Remember, I do very little flash shooting and essentially none of this sort. So I had no experience to draw on. There was also no chance to experiment. Many shots were the single chance. Nos. 68, 70, 71 and 74, for example, were all of great emotional importance to Julia. Nailing both the eye to eye connection and handshake through the crowd for no. 75 was a big success - the only time I left my seat to fight for an angle. I was perhaps overly concerned with DOF and stopping motion. I was also worried about the lighting mix. The stage lighting was quite warm and the flash is quite cold, so I was worried about cool, bluish shadows all over faces and clothing from fill flash. It was nice to hear from C.H. that such light mixes are a concern to him too. In any case, I was quite happy to "get the goods" as well as I did. And my 'client' was VERY pleased. As with the graduation, her request that I photograph an event came at the last minute in Seattle a couple of weeks ago. Had she spoken before we left home, I'd have had better tools along. Maybe one day I'll tell the tale of my spectacular prat fall while doing that 'assignment'. Ah, well, as Jerry says ... it's a ride. Enjoy it! I do. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 12:29:31 2008 Received: (qmail 6055 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 11:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 11:29:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FD5430130 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6A9440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B74219E0C2 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:29:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.057 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.057 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB8419E0AB for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:29:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:29:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 804 invoked by uid 504); 10 Dec 2008 11:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 11:29:21 -0000 Message-ID: <493FA810.3070707@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:29:20 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Random Zuiko photo X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 12:29:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fa81b140222070262475 I was keeping it to myself but now that you ask I'll say it's not my tree. I had to chuckle to myself when you talked about the 35/2's high resolution and then presented us with an image with 3/4 of its area out of focus. While it's not my own style of photography I've liked most of your stuff of late but this I just find hard on the eyes. Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > Hmm. Perhaps Nathan is not the only one who doesn't like the large > defocussed foreground area... This was becoming an interest of mine - here > are another couple of examples! Maybe I should be barking up a different > tree... > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8943748@N07/3086057632/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8943748@N07/3040480673/ > > Tom > > > Hi all. > > > >> Warning, on topic photo. 35/2 on 5D. I haven't really made much effort to >> compare the 35/2 Zuiko with the Canon 35mm lenses, but basically I think >> they're all good in their place... I've only taken the zuiko out a couple >> of times so far, and I don't think I ever shot any colour film with it in >> the old days, but I do see a lot of what I used to like about it in the 5D >> files. Very high resolution with smooth low contrast that makes for lots of >> options in printing. Definitely a keeper. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8943748@N07/3096567848/sizes/o/ >> >> Tom >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1840 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 4:53 PM >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 12:40:35 2008 Received: (qmail 15881 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 11:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 11:40:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C31A4301A9 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1057E440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:40:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F125519E102 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:40:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.056 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.056 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A7819E0D7 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:40:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:40:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so91134nfc.20 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.23.3 with SMTP id 3mr1519835ebw.124.1228909225470; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.47.237.66? ([82.132.136.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g12sm3132013nfb.46.2008.12.10.03.40.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:40:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4279BE41-6284-4B0B-BDFC-C3C66C450041@gmail.com> From: My Gmail To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493FA810.3070707@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5F136) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5F136) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:40:52 +0000 References: <493FA810.3070707@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Random Zuiko photo X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 12:40:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493faab3106841234514069 :-) I must say it looks better in the print - I didn't really rate it until I printed it to get a look at the details. Generally I'm as interested in what people don't like as what they do- don't hold back! Tom Sent from my iPhone On 10 Dec 2008, at 11:29, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I was keeping it to myself but now that you ask I'll say it's not my > tree. I had to chuckle to myself when you talked about the 35/2's > high > resolution and then presented us with an image with 3/4 of its area > out > of focus. While it's not my own style of photography I've liked > most of > your stuff of late but this I just find hard on the eyes. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Tom Fenwick wrote: >> Hmm. Perhaps Nathan is not the only one who doesn't like the large >> defocussed foreground area... This was becoming an interest of >> mine - here >> are another couple of examples! Maybe I should be barking up a >> different >> tree... >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8943748@N07/3086057632/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8943748@N07/3040480673/ >> >> Tom >> >> >> Hi all. >> >> >> >>> Warning, on topic photo. 35/2 on 5D. I haven't really made much >>> effort to >>> compare the 35/2 Zuiko with the Canon 35mm lenses, but basically I >>> think >>> they're all good in their place... I've only taken the zuiko out >>> a couple >>> of times so far, and I don't think I ever shot any colour film >>> with it in >>> the old days, but I do see a lot of what I used to like about it >>> in the 5D >>> files. Very high resolution with smooth low contrast that makes >>> for lots of >>> options in printing. Definitely a keeper. >>> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8943748@N07/3096567848/sizes/o/ >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> --- >>> --- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1840 - Release Date: >>> 12/9/2008 4:53 PM >>> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 13:39:17 2008 Received: (qmail 8971 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 12:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 12:39:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A159430151 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715BF440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EB219E2EB for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:39:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F1D19E2CF for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:39:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31983 invoked by uid 504); 10 Dec 2008 12:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 12:39:06 -0000 Message-ID: <493FB86A.4090603@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:39:06 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 13:39:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fb875290121585427447 This talk of minimalist cameras reminds me that I bought an Argus C3 at a garage sale last year for $10. Its the camera my father used in the 50s to take family photos. Mostly K25 but with some Ektachrome and a little B&W thrown in. Aperture and shutter seem to work OK but the rangefinder focusing mechanism is extremely stiff and probably in need of some cleaning and lube. I don't have them but 35 and 100mm lenses were available in addition to the standard 50mm. Changing lenses is a bit of a process as the lens is geared to a focusing wheel via an idler gear. The camera has a rangefinder and the focusing wheel is also marked with a distance scale from 3 feet to infinity. To remove the lens the distance scale must first be set to 3 feet. That moves the lens outward to make clearance room for removing the focusing idler gear retaining screw. Remove the retaining screw and lift out the idler gear. Then the lens can be unscrewed and another one put in its place. Then position the focusing gear teeth on the lens barrel near the mid-point of their travel and temporarily install the idler gear. Rotate the lens to the right as far as it will go to position it at infinity. Carefully remove the idler wheel again so as not to disturb the infinity position of the lens. Rotate the focusing wheel back to the 3 foot position, re-install the idler gear and the retaining screw. Then search for the subject who has probably left the scene by now. :-) Chuck Norcutt Sandy Harris wrote: > Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> It would be interesting to see how you all interpret such a topic >> photographically - > > Met an Amerian guy years ago in Istanbul, talked with him a bit > about photos and cameras. I had a new Pentax ME; he had > something I did not recognise at the time. > > He said he was a pro, had a large collection of Canon gear > including most of the high-end lenses, plus some larger > format cameras and a colour darkroom, back home. > > The thing I did not recognise was a Leica, an old one > with no built in meter and he deliberately did not carry > an external meter, said he wanted to retrain his eye. > Slow black & white film. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1840 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 4:53 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 13:59:05 2008 Received: (qmail 30605 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 12:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 12:59:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B86E43020E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:59:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF36440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:59:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DE434AC00F for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:59:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B969534AC00C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:58:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from extsmtp4.localnet.com (extsmtp4.localnet.com [207.251.201.56]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20412 invoked by uid 1011); 10 Dec 2008 12:58:58 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by bombastic (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 0.080019 secs); 10 Dec 2008 12:58:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp4.localnet.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 12:58:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 27093 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2008 12:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-7-245.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.7.245]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp4.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Dec 2008 12:59:00 -0000 From: Doug To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:02:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <100-64723f49-25398.005@comkal.net> <05D8B58C-325F-4DFF-B96F-C002B07F5785@ThomasClausen.org> In-Reply-To: <05D8B58C-325F-4DFF-B96F-C002B07F5785@ThomasClausen.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812100802.32365.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 13:59:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fbd19151501702588592 On Wednesday, December 10, 2008 02:56, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > On Dec 10, 2008, at 08:40 AM, Ian Manners wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Thank you everyone for all the info etc. > > > > Oly website says to call support for a OM2 software update, > > after last time I figured probably not worth it so found the software > > on the Oly US website instead. > > Gee, all this time, and I didn't know that my OM2 had any software in > it, let alone that it was updateable. > > Paging JohnH, where's the USB-connector: > More likely where's the punch card reader slot? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 14:02:43 2008 Received: (qmail 2261 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 13:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 13:02:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E89843014B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A204440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011E019E3B4 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:02:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA87D19E3BC for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:02:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:02:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11649 invoked by uid 504); 10 Dec 2008 13:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 13:02:34 -0000 Message-ID: <493FBDEA.2070108@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:02:34 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com> <493FA177.8030002@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <493FA177.8030002@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 14:02:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fbdf3262563675314703 I didn't for a minute think that you'd actually take my flash advice but decided I'd offer it anyway. I could tell from the mix of shutter speeds, apertures and ISOs on those shots that you were doing a fair amount of experimenting with what I knew was (to you) a new piece of equipment. I also understand CH's comment about making the flash dominant to avoid color balance problems but I rarely find that incandescent and flash produce much of a problem together. Custom white balance or shooting in raw works fine for me. Adding fluorescent or other light sources into the mix can be a different story. Where you were shooting was tough. Most of my experience with flash photography is in a venue where I have had a high degree of control over the lighting and multiple flash units to work with... sometimes as many as five. I'm not really sure if I'd have done much better than you in the same situation. Dr. Flash Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Well, like many things, not needing flash is a matter of opinion. > And here, we differ, >> This non-flash shot, for example, shows much considerable harsh shadow under chins, glasses, some eye sockets and on necks, and cheekbones. All the light is coming from a point source high high above and to the right and >> is not kind to these folks. >> http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=JuliaGrad/1-Grad&image=_MG_4378crii.jpg >> > The question may be whether this is portrait photography or something > closer to journalism. I personally prefer the pure ambient shots for the > ismple reason that they recall what the event and the people in it > actually looked like at the time. Looking at them again months later, > this feeling is even stronger. The ambient shots take me back to the > experience, while the flash shots don't. >> The flash version has eliminated those shadows (perhaps too much) and introduced some others behind the folks who are standing close to the wall. Those shadows are also undesirable but it should be possible to >> at least minimize them. >> http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=JuliaGrad/1-Grad&image=_MG_4380crii.jpg >> > Hard to disagree. I could certainly remove the shadows on the wall. In > fact, I did so on some other shots. And I'm sure your advice given with > such care below would result in more balanced exposure than either of > the ones I did. > > Remember, I do very little flash shooting and essentially none of this > sort. So I had no experience to draw on. There was also no chance to > experiment. Many shots were the single chance. Nos. 68, 70, 71 and 74, > for example, were all of great emotional importance to Julia. Nailing > both the eye to eye connection and handshake through the crowd for no. > 75 was a big success - the only time I left my seat to fight for an angle. > > I was perhaps overly concerned with DOF and stopping motion. I was also > worried about the lighting mix. The stage lighting was quite warm and > the flash is quite cold, so I was worried about cool, bluish shadows all > over faces and clothing from fill flash. It was nice to hear from C.H. > that such light mixes are a concern to him too. > > In any case, I was quite happy to "get the goods" as well as I did. And > my 'client' was VERY pleased. As with the graduation, her request that I > photograph an event came at the last minute in Seattle a couple of weeks > ago. Had she spoken before we left home, I'd have had better tools > along. Maybe one day I'll tell the tale of my spectacular prat fall > while doing that 'assignment'. > > Ah, well, as Jerry says ... it's a ride. Enjoy it! I do. >> >> > > Moose > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1840 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 4:53 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 14:17:21 2008 Received: (qmail 27281 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 13:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 13:17:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D592430193 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0EF440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D108134AC005 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:17:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA8834AC00C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:17:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from qb-out-1314.google.com (qb-out-1314.google.com [72.14.204.170]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by qb-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a5so397953qbd.36 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.214.8 with SMTP id r8mr514355muq.6.1228915034642; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.40.8 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:17:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:17:14 +0100 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 14:17:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fc161113545368819438 I'll just join the idea when you all have settled on what the idea is. I suppose I can also use the Pen D2 being completely mechanic? I might also use the OM-body. I'm just not very into constructive input mode at the moment but like the idea of some form of end of the year new year competition. Iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 14:38:54 2008 Received: (qmail 15083 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 13:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 13:38:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BF6430236 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F46440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:38:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DD719E511 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:38:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2F719E510 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:38:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-qy0-f12.google.com (mail-qy0-f12.google.com [209.85.221.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk5 with SMTP id 5so737716qyk.14 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:38:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.81.3 with SMTP id e3mr1934639qab.303.1228916322012; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:38:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.182.5 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:38:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:38:41 -0500 From: "Rick Beckrich" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493F7E84.3080701@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <100-77903e49-25401.016@comkal.net> <100-64723f49-25398.005@comkal.net> <05D8B58C-325F-4DFF-B96F-C002B07F5785@ThomasClausen.org> <100-d47b3f49-37732.006@unixos2.com> <493F7E84.3080701@gmail.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Ever-Ready Case alternative X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 14:38:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fc66e272751823421471 I use an el cheapo leather fanny pack (china) for my OM2n. Just added a piece of dense foam to the bottom. Rick On 12/10/08, swisspace wrote: > > A couple of years ago I bought a pristine ever ready case for my OM the > brown one 1,4N, however I used it and it hasn't lasted so long its dried > out and cracked etc. If I am to start shooting now in manual mode then I > could do with something similar, I have larger bags, but I want > something to protect the camera and its lens, any suggestions. > > thanks IanW > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 14:47:20 2008 Received: (qmail 27191 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 13:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 13:47:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660C3430368 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25535440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0955934AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:47:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C9D34AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:47:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.219.144]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBN003PVY8GQ210@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:45:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:47:14 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <493EEA00.3000401@m93.myzen.co.uk> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <493FC862.3070501@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <125359.48392.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <493EEA00.3000401@m93.myzen.co.uk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus XA X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 14:47:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fc868248029347015869 If you can inspect before purchase: if shutter is stuck in self timer mode OR shutter stays open for 2-4 seconds no matter what the setting, then circuit board is cracked (not available). ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Martyn Smoothy wrote: > Remarkably good price, provided it works... :-) > > > AS wrote: >> There are a couple XA's on Craiglist Buffalo for $20. I may pick >> one up from one of the sellers. I did contact him initially. >> >> >> >> --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Martyn Smoothy wrote: >> >> >>> From: Martyn Smoothy Subject: [OM] >>> Olympus XA To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 4:21 >>> PM Hi, >>> >>> Seem to recall that someone posted a "for sale" on an Olympus XA >>> a few days ago... (had a clean up & lost the original post). If >>> it's still on offer please get back to me - or if anyone else has >>> one they no longer need, I'd be interested. >>> >>> Regards - Martyn Smoothy -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed >>> Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >> >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 14:52:06 2008 Received: (qmail 12958 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 13:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 13:52:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8484301BD for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:52:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC30440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:52:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95BE734AC00D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:52:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD9234AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:52:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KBN0079IYII72D2@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:51:54 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-218-97.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.218.97]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:48:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:51:56 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkwWAOlXP0kY3tph/2dsb2JhbACBZogZxj0HgwA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,747,1220238000"; d="scan'208";a="385971370" References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <9e908c1f0812090812l28b09562v6315be2a16c6a27a@mail.gmail.com> <3C8BA1A885DA49FCBAA8E0087E4B3B83@hudson> <572F25B442FF4C03B7DDCCCB1D512D51@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 14:52:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fc986324121234514069 I'd much rather be making the $$$ of a Calgary gas company exec than some MD pumping gas ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane > More likely owned by an anesthesiologist or anesthetist> > Paul in Portland OR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hudson" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:54 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] That G-RUVY aeroplane >> An example of truly personalized plate is " IPASGAS" which I saw in >> Calgary, >> Alberta years ago ............ believed to be owned by someone in the >> natural gas industry > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 14:54:30 2008 Received: (qmail 20021 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 13:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 13:54:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A695C43026F for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7E3440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410CF34AC00C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:54:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.409 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.409 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F24934AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:54:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:54:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.219.144]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBN001U7YM2Q640@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:54:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:54:13 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <493FCA05.9060703@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 14:54:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fca16110961744846740 Yes, yes, OM-2 and OM4 (on manual). ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Dawid Loubser wrote: > Hmm... I would imagine it's a more purpose-driven and specific > competition if using > manual-only cameras, but if there is enough interest for using 2's and > 4's > then so be it...? > > If we let loose on the OM gear that can be used, then I do think some > specific > guidelines around the subject matter are in order. So, does everybody > think > "minimalism" makes for a good topic for the subject matter? > > It would be interesting to see how you all interpret such a topic > photographically - > > Lastly, any idea around time frames? Perhaps its a good idea to look > at results after December, > since during this holiday period many people will have a lot of time > to photograph, but not > to process and think about things. > > And our enlarger's timer is still busted :-) *and* I still need to > learn to do hand printing > properly... > > P.S. I really do feel that it would be preferable to limit to OM-1 and > OM-3 (all-mechanical > bodies) - not because the result necessarily looks any different from > the electronic bodies, but > because it was my rant on the photographic process with an OM-1/3 - > which we have somehow "lost" > with modern equipment - which got this idea started, and those bodies > exemplify that process. > Not only that, they enforce it. Even though, of course, we can follow > it with any other body. > > I have been doing manual exposure + incident metering for quite some > time with my 9FPS Canon EOS, > which is why I could let it go so easily. But it's somehow not the > same thing. > > Your thoughts? And Wayne, I don't think an OM-3 has any advantage over > an OM-4 in terms of producing > the photographic result, so there may not be anything to see... > > > On 10 Dec 2008, at 4:18 AM, WayneS wrote: > >> Further amend proposal: to allow shooting in manual mode on an OM. >> That way we can see if the 3Ti really has any advantage over >> a 4T for instance. And to really see if it works, to use slide film, >> which is less forgiving than print film..... As I recall, the shutter >> on the OM-4t is still mechanical, come to think of it, so is the >> E-1... >> >> WayneS >> >> At 12:51 PM 12/9/2008, David wrote: >>> Dear AG, now you are really stirring the pot. >>> >>> May I propose an amendment to your proposal, whereby a shooting >>> event/ >>> competition does not only include those (lucky buggers) who own >>> an OM-3Ti, but rather to include the mechanical bodies in general? >> ... > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 15:03:06 2008 Received: (qmail 1505 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 14:03:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 14:03:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F5D430236 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F25E440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:03:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D9E34AC00D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:03:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3649D34AC00C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:02:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-060.ctimail.com [61.93.57.60]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:02:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mBAE2rCA010198 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:02:53 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mBAE2pKs020606 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:02:52 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <3CC964EF0D604DF4BECDF5B419E4E957@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com><493FA177.8030002@gmail.com> <493FBDEA.2070108@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:01:25 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 15:03:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fcc1a222961744846740 I doubt there is different between fluorescent or incandescent. With mixed light in similar intensity illuminated from different angles you will create color cast on some area no matter how you balance in post processing. I did at least 5 company party events every year (for 10 years) and scanning thousands similar negatives from local hospital authority I see the problem there especially for stage shots where the spot light is too strong to override, the 1/60s flash sync speed of OM camera make things more difficult. Here are two examples (not by OM I believe): http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/D1-47-N-0005.jpg http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/D1-3-2-N-0025.jpg C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" >I didn't for a minute think that you'd actually take my flash advice but > decided I'd offer it anyway. I could tell from the mix of shutter > speeds, apertures and ISOs on those shots that you were doing a fair > amount of experimenting with what I knew was (to you) a new piece of > equipment. I also understand CH's comment about making the flash > dominant to avoid color balance problems but I rarely find that > incandescent and flash produce much of a problem together. Custom white > balance or shooting in raw works fine for me. Adding fluorescent or > other light sources into the mix can be a different story. > > Where you were shooting was tough. Most of my experience with flash > photography is in a venue where I have had a high degree of control over > the lighting and multiple flash units to work with... sometimes as many > as five. I'm not really sure if I'd have done much better than you in > the same situation. > > Dr. Flash > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 15:32:06 2008 Received: (qmail 32217 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 14:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 14:32:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B58A4303B7 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D84440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:32:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7545134AC00C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:32:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7707534AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:32:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.219.144]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBO00ACW0D151QA@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:31:50 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:32:00 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <05D8B58C-325F-4DFF-B96F-C002B07F5785@ThomasClausen.org> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <493FD2E0.8080906@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <100-77903e49-25401.016@comkal.net> <100-64723f49-25398.005@comkal.net> <05D8B58C-325F-4DFF-B96F-C002B07F5785@ThomasClausen.org> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 15:32:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fd2e690161744846740 It should be on the main circuit but I love this translation: "when a continuity test is made in the shutter amplifier (M circuit board) repair work, avoid to use the 3V tester for the case other than specified in the outline of repairs. The electronic parts may be broken". When we instituted a program at Olympus Woodbury to rewrite some repair manuals, we were met with bristling resistance from Olympus Japan. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > On Dec 10, 2008, at 08:40 AM, Ian Manners wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Thank you everyone for all the info etc. >> >> Oly website says to call support for a OM2 software update, >> after last time I figured probably not worth it so found the software >> on the Oly US website instead. >> > > Gee, all this time, and I didn't know that my OM2 had any software in > it, let alone that it was updateable. > > Paging JohnH, where's the USB-connector: > > http://olympus.dementia.org/Hardware/PDFs/OM-2_1of5.pdf > > ;) > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 16:26:14 2008 Received: (qmail 13442 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 15:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 15:26:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FDE4301D0 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B87C440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE7319E995 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:25:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6CC19E987 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:25:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.188]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u5so375162tia.10 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:25:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.43.18 with SMTP id q18mr2176604tiq.18.1228922748503; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:25:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.43.14 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:25:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7e764efe0812100725g4f5f45e9hf20cb240fa7df8ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:25:48 +0800 From: "khen lim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493FCA05.9060703@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493FCA05.9060703@verizon.net> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 16:26:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fdf96263102070262475 Hi there all of you By now you would have known that Ken and I discussed this 'competition' and felt that Zone-10 can humbly offer a platform to provide gallery space so that your images can be displayed collectively in separate member accounts for all to view and appreciate. I for one am quite excited by this prospect and hopefully all of you will take advantage and showcase your best images. With regards to the parameters, let us first deal with the issue of whether or not this is a competition. I have given this a bit of thought on my own although I have yet to discussed this with AG Schnozz. Here are my thoughts: a. It's only a competition for the sheer heck of it. It's not going to be a 'serious' one but one that draws all of us together like a community that is partial to all things OM. Since this list is about those who appreciate OM, then the competition is held in a similar spirit. b. As a competition, we certainly don't have the resources (not yet anyway!) to provide a lucrative drawcard in the form of excellent prizes. AG mentioned turning his OM-3Ti into an Odyssey camera. That is a nice idea and a generous one on his part. All the same, we're not in the position to do anything else unless others within this same community were to offer his/her wares...I understand that NSURIT has some wonderful inventory to contribute in this regard :) c. And so it is, in effect, a competition then, but my idea is that everyone contributes individual points to the images on show. You visit an album belonging to one of the competitors and assess the images, then accord them individual scores, say, out of a perfect score of 10 for each. You may of course ignore those images you don't think even deserve any scoring if you like. d. After a certain period of time, we close all scoring and then tally the images. We can, for example, suggest that the top five scoring images get the privilege to participate in the OM-3Ti Odyssey (just an idea only - ditch it if you don't like it or have a better alternative). As for the types of cameras that qualify, Chris (Crawford) had even mentioned the 'Blad. Hmmm. Some others have suggested OMs other than the 3/3Ti. The idea that all of you seem to be centring on is that so long as you use it in Manual mode, it should be alright. I'm not sure what AG thinks of this but my humble opinion is that it ought to be OM. Maybe we should think about keeping it 35mm and then stick with OM. So long as you use Manual mode, you can use any of the following then: OM-1/1MD/1n, OM-2/2n, OM-2S Program, OM-3/3Ti, OM-4/4Ti as well as... OM-10/10QD, OM-20, OM-30/G, OM-40/PC and OM-2000 You might also include the following (although they are not full-frame 35mm): Pen, Pen-EE, Pen-EED, Pen-F, Pen-FT, Pen-FV I suppose that there should not be any restriction to the use of focal length lens not to mention brand. You don't have to stick to Zuiko but it would be nice if you do. As for focal length, we might open this up or should we confine it to a range, say, from 24mm to 300mm or something like that? As for the topic, Minimalism is actually a very nice idea. However to define it might be a little more challenging. Let's see what and how everyone thinks of describing it. Maybe then we can 'formulate' the definition of Minimalism within the context of this competition. K. 2008/12/10 John Hermanson > Yes, yes, OM-2 and OM4 (on manual). > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Dawid Loubser wrote: > > Hmm... I would imagine it's a more purpose-driven and specific > > competition if using > > manual-only cameras, but if there is enough interest for using 2's and > > 4's > > then so be it...? > > > > If we let loose on the OM gear that can be used, then I do think some > > specific > > guidelines around the subject matter are in order. So, does everybody > > think > > "minimalism" makes for a good topic for the subject matter? > > > > It would be interesting to see how you all interpret such a topic > > photographically - > > > > Lastly, any idea around time frames? Perhaps its a good idea to look > > at results after December, > > since during this holiday period many people will have a lot of time > > to photograph, but not > > to process and think about things. > > > > And our enlarger's timer is still busted :-) *and* I still need to > > learn to do hand printing > > properly... > > > > P.S. I really do feel that it would be preferable to limit to OM-1 and > > OM-3 (all-mechanical > > bodies) - not because the result necessarily looks any different from > > the electronic bodies, but > > because it was my rant on the photographic process with an OM-1/3 - > > which we have somehow "lost" > > with modern equipment - which got this idea started, and those bodies > > exemplify that process. > > Not only that, they enforce it. Even though, of course, we can follow > > it with any other body. > > > > I have been doing manual exposure + incident metering for quite some > > time with my 9FPS Canon EOS, > > which is why I could let it go so easily. But it's somehow not the > > same thing. > > > > Your thoughts? And Wayne, I don't think an OM-3 has any advantage over > > an OM-4 in terms of producing > > the photographic result, so there may not be anything to see... > > > > > > On 10 Dec 2008, at 4:18 AM, WayneS wrote: > > > >> Further amend proposal: to allow shooting in manual mode on an OM. > >> That way we can see if the 3Ti really has any advantage over > >> a 4T for instance. And to really see if it works, to use slide film, > >> which is less forgiving than print film..... As I recall, the shutter > >> on the OM-4t is still mechanical, come to think of it, so is the > >> E-1... > >> > >> WayneS > >> > >> At 12:51 PM 12/9/2008, David wrote: > >>> Dear AG, now you are really stirring the pot. > >>> > >>> May I propose an amendment to your proposal, whereby a shooting > >>> event/ > >>> competition does not only include those (lucky buggers) who own > >>> an OM-3Ti, but rather to include the mechanical bodies in general? > >> ... > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- Khen Lim - Zone-10 LLC, Des Moines, Iowa, USA "To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of people" - Emily Cox "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them" - Walt Disney -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 16:28:53 2008 Received: (qmail 21818 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 15:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 15:28:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91093430236 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:28:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBE6440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:28:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E87019E9C5 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:28:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE44419E98E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:28:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32659 invoked by uid 504); 10 Dec 2008 15:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 15:28:43 -0000 Message-ID: <493FE02A.4050109@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:28:42 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <100-a2733e49-24929.012@comkal.net> <100-77903e49-25401.016@comkal.net> <100-64723f49-25398.005@comkal.net> <05D8B58C-325F-4DFF-B96F-C002B07F5785@ThomasClausen.org> <493FD2E0.8080906@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <493FD2E0.8080906@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master on Mac X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 16:28:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fe035296051035110158 I have heard elsewhere of Japanese that seem not to accept that their English is other than impeccable. Must be some mysterious cultural thing. Olympus was hardly the only problem company but I must say amongst the worst. Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > It should be on the main circuit but I love this translation: "when a > continuity test is made in the shutter amplifier (M circuit board) > repair work, avoid to use the 3V tester for the case other than > specified in the outline of repairs. The electronic parts may be broken". > When we instituted a program at Olympus Woodbury to rewrite some repair > manuals, we were met with bristling resistance from Olympus Japan. > > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: >> On Dec 10, 2008, at 08:40 AM, Ian Manners wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Thank you everyone for all the info etc. >>> >>> Oly website says to call support for a OM2 software update, >>> after last time I figured probably not worth it so found the software >>> on the Oly US website instead. >>> >> Gee, all this time, and I didn't know that my OM2 had any software in >> it, let alone that it was updateable. >> >> Paging JohnH, where's the USB-connector: >> >> http://olympus.dementia.org/Hardware/PDFs/OM-2_1of5.pdf >> >> ;) >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1841 - Release Date: 12/10/2008 9:30 AM >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 16:45:34 2008 Received: (qmail 30232 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 15:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 15:45:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69908430265 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:45:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047DD440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D769C3610001 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:45:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7591934AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:45:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:45:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11452 invoked by uid 504); 10 Dec 2008 15:45:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 15:45:25 -0000 Message-ID: <493FE414.9090803@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:45:24 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com><493FA177.8030002@gmail.com> <493FBDEA.2070108@chucknorcutt.com> <3CC964EF0D604DF4BECDF5B419E4E957@main> In-Reply-To: <3CC964EF0D604DF4BECDF5B419E4E957@main> Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 16:45:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fe41e236938512572685 You're just fussier than me. The white's and grays in the first image are actually quite well balanced in the range of your flash. The problem was that your coverage angle wasn't wide enough to cover all the participants. And, while not perfectly balanced, I see the second image as perfectly acceptable after toning down the reds a bit and boosting the blue. It leads to white shirts that are a bit too blue to be neutral but the rest of the image is improved, IMHO. Dr. Flash C.H.Ling wrote: > I doubt there is different between fluorescent or incandescent. With mixed > light in similar intensity illuminated from different angles you will create > color cast on some area no matter how you balance in post processing. I did > at least 5 company party events every year (for 10 years) and scanning > thousands similar negatives from local hospital authority I see the problem > there especially for stage shots where the spot light is too strong to > override, the 1/60s flash sync speed of OM camera make things more > difficult. > > Here are two examples (not by OM I believe): > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/D1-47-N-0005.jpg > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/D1-3-2-N-0025.jpg > > C.H.Ling > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> I didn't for a minute think that you'd actually take my flash advice but >> decided I'd offer it anyway. I could tell from the mix of shutter >> speeds, apertures and ISOs on those shots that you were doing a fair >> amount of experimenting with what I knew was (to you) a new piece of >> equipment. I also understand CH's comment about making the flash >> dominant to avoid color balance problems but I rarely find that >> incandescent and flash produce much of a problem together. Custom white >> balance or shooting in raw works fine for me. Adding fluorescent or >> other light sources into the mix can be a different story. >> >> Where you were shooting was tough. Most of my experience with flash >> photography is in a venue where I have had a high degree of control over >> the lighting and multiple flash units to work with... sometimes as many >> as five. I'm not really sure if I'd have done much better than you in >> the same situation. >> >> Dr. Flash >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1841 - Release Date: 12/10/2008 9:30 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 16:48:21 2008 Received: (qmail 10279 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 15:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 15:48:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341EB430465 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:48:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE2A440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:48:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29AF19EADF for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:48:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97B819EA92 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:48:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:48:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13123 invoked by uid 504); 10 Dec 2008 15:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 15:48:12 -0000 Message-ID: <493FE4BC.5030802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:48:12 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493FCA05.9060703@verizon.net> <7e764efe0812100725g4f5f45e9hf20cb240fa7df8ad@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7e764efe0812100725g4f5f45e9hf20cb240fa7df8ad@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 16:48:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fe4c531191257536491 24-300 doesn't strike me as "minimalist" :-) Chuck Norcutt khen lim wrote: > Hi there all of you > > By now you would have known that Ken and I discussed this 'competition' and > felt that Zone-10 can humbly offer a platform to provide gallery space so > that your images can be displayed collectively in separate member accounts > for all to view and appreciate. I for one am quite excited by this prospect > and hopefully all of you will take advantage and showcase your best images. > > With regards to the parameters, let us first deal with the issue of whether > or not this is a competition. I have given this a bit of thought on my own > although I have yet to discussed this with AG Schnozz. Here are my > thoughts: > > a. It's only a competition for the sheer heck of it. It's not going to be a > 'serious' one but one that draws all of us together like a community that is > partial to all things OM. Since this list is about those who appreciate OM, > then the competition is held in a similar spirit. > > b. As a competition, we certainly don't have the resources (not yet anyway!) > to provide a lucrative drawcard in the form of excellent prizes. AG > mentioned turning his OM-3Ti into an Odyssey camera. That is a nice idea and > a generous one on his part. All the same, we're not in the position to do > anything else unless others within this same community were to offer his/her > wares...I understand that NSURIT has some wonderful inventory to contribute > in this regard :) > > c. And so it is, in effect, a competition then, but my idea is that everyone > contributes individual points to the images on show. You visit an album > belonging to one of the competitors and assess the images, then accord them > individual scores, say, out of a perfect score of 10 for each. You may of > course ignore those images you don't think even deserve any scoring if you > like. > > d. After a certain period of time, we close all scoring and then tally the > images. We can, for example, suggest that the top five scoring images get > the privilege to participate in the OM-3Ti Odyssey (just an idea only - > ditch it if you don't like it or have a better alternative). > > As for the types of cameras that qualify, Chris (Crawford) had even > mentioned the 'Blad. Hmmm. Some others have suggested OMs other than the > 3/3Ti. The idea that all of you seem to be centring on is that so long as > you use it in Manual mode, it should be alright. > > I'm not sure what AG thinks of this but my humble opinion is that it ought > to be OM. Maybe we should think about keeping it 35mm and then stick with > OM. So long as you use Manual mode, you can use any of the following then: > > OM-1/1MD/1n, OM-2/2n, OM-2S Program, OM-3/3Ti, OM-4/4Ti as well as... > OM-10/10QD, OM-20, OM-30/G, OM-40/PC and OM-2000 > > You might also include the following (although they are not full-frame > 35mm): > > Pen, Pen-EE, Pen-EED, Pen-F, Pen-FT, Pen-FV > > I suppose that there should not be any restriction to the use of focal > length lens not to mention brand. You don't have to stick to Zuiko but it > would be nice if you do. As for focal length, we might open this up or > should we confine it to a range, say, from 24mm to 300mm or something like > that? > > As for the topic, Minimalism is actually a very nice idea. However to define > it might be a little more challenging. Let's see what and how everyone > thinks of describing it. Maybe then we can 'formulate' the definition of > Minimalism within the context of this competition. > > K. > > > 2008/12/10 John Hermanson > >> Yes, yes, OM-2 and OM4 (on manual). >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Dawid Loubser wrote: >>> Hmm... I would imagine it's a more purpose-driven and specific >>> competition if using >>> manual-only cameras, but if there is enough interest for using 2's and >>> 4's >>> then so be it...? >>> >>> If we let loose on the OM gear that can be used, then I do think some >>> specific >>> guidelines around the subject matter are in order. So, does everybody >>> think >>> "minimalism" makes for a good topic for the subject matter? >>> >>> It would be interesting to see how you all interpret such a topic >>> photographically - >>> >>> Lastly, any idea around time frames? Perhaps its a good idea to look >>> at results after December, >>> since during this holiday period many people will have a lot of time >>> to photograph, but not >>> to process and think about things. >>> >>> And our enlarger's timer is still busted :-) *and* I still need to >>> learn to do hand printing >>> properly... >>> >>> P.S. I really do feel that it would be preferable to limit to OM-1 and >>> OM-3 (all-mechanical >>> bodies) - not because the result necessarily looks any different from >>> the electronic bodies, but >>> because it was my rant on the photographic process with an OM-1/3 - >>> which we have somehow "lost" >>> with modern equipment - which got this idea started, and those bodies >>> exemplify that process. >>> Not only that, they enforce it. Even though, of course, we can follow >>> it with any other body. >>> >>> I have been doing manual exposure + incident metering for quite some >>> time with my 9FPS Canon EOS, >>> which is why I could let it go so easily. But it's somehow not the >>> same thing. >>> >>> Your thoughts? And Wayne, I don't think an OM-3 has any advantage over >>> an OM-4 in terms of producing >>> the photographic result, so there may not be anything to see... >>> >>> >>> On 10 Dec 2008, at 4:18 AM, WayneS wrote: >>> >>>> Further amend proposal: to allow shooting in manual mode on an OM. >>>> That way we can see if the 3Ti really has any advantage over >>>> a 4T for instance. And to really see if it works, to use slide film, >>>> which is less forgiving than print film..... As I recall, the shutter >>>> on the OM-4t is still mechanical, come to think of it, so is the >>>> E-1... >>>> >>>> WayneS >>>> >>>> At 12:51 PM 12/9/2008, David wrote: >>>>> Dear AG, now you are really stirring the pot. >>>>> >>>>> May I propose an amendment to your proposal, whereby a shooting >>>>> event/ >>>>> competition does not only include those (lucky buggers) who own >>>>> an OM-3Ti, but rather to include the mechanical bodies in general? >>>> ... >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1841 - Release Date: 12/10/2008 9:30 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 16:53:18 2008 Received: (qmail 13676 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 15:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 15:53:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B356243027B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257F6440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:53:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E5119EB0E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:53:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A0319EB09 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:53:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:53:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u5so385320tia.10 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:53:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.3.15 with SMTP id 15mr2181499tic.44.1228924382685; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:53:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.43.14 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:53:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7e764efe0812100753s525d0a4vd43024247104d287@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:53:02 +0800 From: "khen lim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493FE4BC.5030802@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493FCA05.9060703@verizon.net> <7e764efe0812100725g4f5f45e9hf20cb240fa7df8ad@mail.gmail.com> <493FE4BC.5030802@chucknorcutt.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 16:53:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fe5ee220431073733319 LOL....actually you're right!If we were to go all the way to define minimalism, then stick with certain fixed focal lengths such as 28mm, 35mm and 50mm. But if we do, a lot of people won't be participating - well, that's my guess. Some amongst us are so smitten with the 90mm f2 - and for good reason of course - and they're not likely to warm to this idea. K. 2008/12/10 Chuck Norcutt > 24-300 doesn't strike me as "minimalist" :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > khen lim wrote: > > Hi there all of you > > > > By now you would have known that Ken and I discussed this 'competition' > and > > felt that Zone-10 can humbly offer a platform to provide gallery space so > > that your images can be displayed collectively in separate member > accounts > > for all to view and appreciate. I for one am quite excited by this > prospect > > and hopefully all of you will take advantage and showcase your best > images. > > > > With regards to the parameters, let us first deal with the issue of > whether > > or not this is a competition. I have given this a bit of thought on my > own > > although I have yet to discussed this with AG Schnozz. Here are my > > thoughts: > > > > a. It's only a competition for the sheer heck of it. It's not going to be > a > > 'serious' one but one that draws all of us together like a community that > is > > partial to all things OM. Since this list is about those who appreciate > OM, > > then the competition is held in a similar spirit. > > > > b. As a competition, we certainly don't have the resources (not yet > anyway!) > > to provide a lucrative drawcard in the form of excellent prizes. AG > > mentioned turning his OM-3Ti into an Odyssey camera. That is a nice idea > and > > a generous one on his part. All the same, we're not in the position to do > > anything else unless others within this same community were to offer > his/her > > wares...I understand that NSURIT has some wonderful inventory to > contribute > > in this regard :) > > > > c. And so it is, in effect, a competition then, but my idea is that > everyone > > contributes individual points to the images on show. You visit an album > > belonging to one of the competitors and assess the images, then accord > them > > individual scores, say, out of a perfect score of 10 for each. You may of > > course ignore those images you don't think even deserve any scoring if > you > > like. > > > > d. After a certain period of time, we close all scoring and then tally > the > > images. We can, for example, suggest that the top five scoring images get > > the privilege to participate in the OM-3Ti Odyssey (just an idea only - > > ditch it if you don't like it or have a better alternative). > > > > As for the types of cameras that qualify, Chris (Crawford) had even > > mentioned the 'Blad. Hmmm. Some others have suggested OMs other than the > > 3/3Ti. The idea that all of you seem to be centring on is that so long as > > you use it in Manual mode, it should be alright. > > > > I'm not sure what AG thinks of this but my humble opinion is that it > ought > > to be OM. Maybe we should think about keeping it 35mm and then stick with > > OM. So long as you use Manual mode, you can use any of the following > then: > > > > OM-1/1MD/1n, OM-2/2n, OM-2S Program, OM-3/3Ti, OM-4/4Ti as well as... > > OM-10/10QD, OM-20, OM-30/G, OM-40/PC and OM-2000 > > > > You might also include the following (although they are not full-frame > > 35mm): > > > > Pen, Pen-EE, Pen-EED, Pen-F, Pen-FT, Pen-FV > > > > I suppose that there should not be any restriction to the use of focal > > length lens not to mention brand. You don't have to stick to Zuiko but it > > would be nice if you do. As for focal length, we might open this up or > > should we confine it to a range, say, from 24mm to 300mm or something > like > > that? > > > > As for the topic, Minimalism is actually a very nice idea. However to > define > > it might be a little more challenging. Let's see what and how everyone > > thinks of describing it. Maybe then we can 'formulate' the definition of > > Minimalism within the context of this competition. > > > > K. > > > > > > 2008/12/10 John Hermanson > > > >> Yes, yes, OM-2 and OM4 (on manual). > >> ___________________________________ > >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 > >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > >> > >> > >> Dawid Loubser wrote: > >>> Hmm... I would imagine it's a more purpose-driven and specific > >>> competition if using > >>> manual-only cameras, but if there is enough interest for using 2's and > >>> 4's > >>> then so be it...? > >>> > >>> If we let loose on the OM gear that can be used, then I do think some > >>> specific > >>> guidelines around the subject matter are in order. So, does everybody > >>> think > >>> "minimalism" makes for a good topic for the subject matter? > >>> > >>> It would be interesting to see how you all interpret such a topic > >>> photographically - > >>> > >>> Lastly, any idea around time frames? Perhaps its a good idea to look > >>> at results after December, > >>> since during this holiday period many people will have a lot of time > >>> to photograph, but not > >>> to process and think about things. > >>> > >>> And our enlarger's timer is still busted :-) *and* I still need to > >>> learn to do hand printing > >>> properly... > >>> > >>> P.S. I really do feel that it would be preferable to limit to OM-1 and > >>> OM-3 (all-mechanical > >>> bodies) - not because the result necessarily looks any different from > >>> the electronic bodies, but > >>> because it was my rant on the photographic process with an OM-1/3 - > >>> which we have somehow "lost" > >>> with modern equipment - which got this idea started, and those bodies > >>> exemplify that process. > >>> Not only that, they enforce it. Even though, of course, we can follow > >>> it with any other body. > >>> > >>> I have been doing manual exposure + incident metering for quite some > >>> time with my 9FPS Canon EOS, > >>> which is why I could let it go so easily. But it's somehow not the > >>> same thing. > >>> > >>> Your thoughts? And Wayne, I don't think an OM-3 has any advantage over > >>> an OM-4 in terms of producing > >>> the photographic result, so there may not be anything to see... > >>> > >>> > >>> On 10 Dec 2008, at 4:18 AM, WayneS wrote: > >>> > >>>> Further amend proposal: to allow shooting in manual mode on an OM. > >>>> That way we can see if the 3Ti really has any advantage over > >>>> a 4T for instance. And to really see if it works, to use slide film, > >>>> which is less forgiving than print film..... As I recall, the shutter > >>>> on the OM-4t is still mechanical, come to think of it, so is the > >>>> E-1... > >>>> > >>>> WayneS > >>>> > >>>> At 12:51 PM 12/9/2008, David wrote: > >>>>> Dear AG, now you are really stirring the pot. > >>>>> > >>>>> May I propose an amendment to your proposal, whereby a shooting > >>>>> event/ > >>>>> competition does not only include those (lucky buggers) who own > >>>>> an OM-3Ti, but rather to include the mechanical bodies in general? > >>>> ... > >> -- > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1841 - Release Date: > 12/10/2008 9:30 AM > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- Khen Lim - Zone-10 LLC, Des Moines, Iowa, USA "To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of people" - Emily Cox "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them" - Walt Disney -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 16:57:57 2008 Received: (qmail 23695 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 15:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 15:57:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5FF430282 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F5E440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:57:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF4E34AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:57:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.005 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.005 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E33934AC018 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:57:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 14 days 04:16:21 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:57:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7500916.54181228925156276.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-196-2-122-20.wbs.co.za ([196.2.122.20]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 783 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <493FE4BC.5030802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:57:39 +0200 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493FCA05.9060703@verizon.net> <7e764efe0812100725g4f5f45e9hf20cb240fa7df8ad@mail.gmail.com> <493FE4BC.5030802@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 16:57:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fe705214985368819438 I personally am all for leaving the topic "minimalism" and seeing what happens - either the image composition might be minimalist, the colour might be, the processing might be, heck - even the equipment used might be. Perhaps it should be a rule that, for each entry, the photographer writes a few words to convey why he believes his image to adhere to the theme of minimalism. I don't think the lenses should be restricted, I think anything should go. regards, Dawid On 10 Dec 2008, at 5:48 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > 24-300 doesn't strike me as "minimalist" :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > khen lim wrote: >> >> As for the topic, Minimalism is actually a very nice idea. However >> to define >> it might be a little more challenging. Let's see what and how >> everyone >> thinks of describing it. Maybe then we can 'formulate' the >> definition of >> Minimalism within the context of this competition. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 16:58:50 2008 Received: (qmail 8215 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 15:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 15:58:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87CB04301A9 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:58:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F19A440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E6C19EB87 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:58:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.005 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.005 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B20319EB8A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:58:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 14 days 04:16:21 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:58:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32267166.54191228925197169.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-196-2-122-20.wbs.co.za ([196.2.122.20]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 783 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:06:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7e764efe0812100753s525d0a4vd43024247104d287@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:58:25 +0200 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493FCA05.9060703@verizon.net> <7e764efe0812100725g4f5f45e9hf20cb240fa7df8ad@mail.gmail.com> <493FE4BC.5030802@chucknorcutt.com> <7e764efe0812100753s525d0a4vd43024247104d287@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 16:58:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fe73a142171529615919 Hmm, I wonder who that could be? On 10 Dec 2008, at 5:53 PM, khen lim wrote: > Some amongst us are so smitten with the 90mm f2 ... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 17:03:14 2008 Received: (qmail 19636 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 16:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 16:03:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E524301BD for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5CB8440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:03:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A10834AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:03:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539B634AC00D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:03:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-qy0-f12.google.com (mail-qy0-f12.google.com [209.85.221.12]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk5 with SMTP id 5so854667qyk.14 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.43.16 with SMTP id q16mr2240570tiq.10.1228924987300; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:03:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.43.14 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:03:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7e764efe0812100803x306e663fh8463b189b0ce2c9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:03:07 +0800 From: "khen lim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <32267166.54191228925197169.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493FCA05.9060703@verizon.net> <7e764efe0812100725g4f5f45e9hf20cb240fa7df8ad@mail.gmail.com> <493FE4BC.5030802@chucknorcutt.com> <7e764efe0812100753s525d0a4vd43024247104d287@mail.gmail.com> <32267166.54191228925197169.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 17:03:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fe84242591869477228 2008/12/10 Dawid Loubser Hmm, I wonder who that could be? Hey, Dawid, I am one of them too... :) On 10 Dec 2008, at 5:53 PM, khen lim wrote: > Some amongst us are so smitten with the 90mm f2 As a matter of fact, I was toying around the idea with AG of suggesting that participants get into some form of photo essay perhaps revolving around the minimalism topic....bring up a few images as in a collective series and then putting words to them...words that we could stipulate an adherence to the minimalism theme. As for choice of lenses, I was only being provocative.... :) K. I personally am all for leaving the topic "minimalism" and seeing what happens - either the image composition might be minimalist, the colour might be, the processing might be, heck - even the equipment used might be. Perhaps it should be a rule that, for each entry, the photographer writes a few words to convey why he believes his image to adhere to the theme of minimalism. I don't think the lenses should be restricted, I think anything should go. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- Khen Lim - Zone-10 LLC, Des Moines, Iowa, USA "To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of people" - Emily Cox "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them" - Walt Disney -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 17:06:42 2008 Received: (qmail 16937 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 16:06:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 16:06:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22F4430464 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E710A440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:06:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BB734AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:06:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB32834AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:06:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f13.google.com (mail-gx0-f13.google.com [209.85.217.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:06:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so727719gxk.14 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.102.14 with SMTP id z14mr901964agb.44.1228925176418; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.28.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:06:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:06:16 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <32267166.54191228925197169.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493FCA05.9060703@verizon.net> <7e764efe0812100725g4f5f45e9hf20cb240fa7df8ad@mail.gmail.com> <493FE4BC.5030802@chucknorcutt.com> <7e764efe0812100753s525d0a4vd43024247104d287@mail.gmail.com> <32267166.54191228925197169.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4ed0d9d47dba117c Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 17:06:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fe9129401499373980 Upon further thought, (OK, I'm mindlessly yabbering), the thought of "exclusion" is bothersome. I dislike having any form of competition which is exclusionary in any way. For example, there are list-members who have no practical access to film or development. Others who have no OM-3Ti or even OM-1. While people like Bill Barber have trolled the world over for every last working OM-2S. I grew up being excluded by others because I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks, couldn't play sports well, etc. (ie, Napolian Dynamite). I didn't like exclusion then, and I don't like it now. However, I also really like the idea of promoting the use of "classic cameras" and having specific competitions using specific tools. How do we make this "inclusionary" without watering down the terms of the events. Also, I know that some people are going to really bark at the thought that they are "competing". Well, tough. ;) First of all, I propose an "incentive". When a prize is on the line people tend to set aside their excuses and find solutions to their problems. This topic will be noodled a bit and I'll see if I can scare up some "sponsors". It might be a brick of film, it might be something else. Who knows. Contrary to popular believe, it will NOT be the OM-3Ti. :) Secondly, how to prevent exclusion? This might be a case were we can compete in "categories". OM-1 series category, OM-2 series category, OM-3 series category, OM-4 series category, E-System Category, Zuiko Lens with some Third-Party Digital-Back. Then place limits on entries. You can compete in any and all categories, but only one image per category. There would be a winner per category as well as an overall winner. Obviously, the more categories you enter, the greater your chance of winning the full enchilada platter. The image judging criteria will be published ahead of time and the judging will be peer review, however per very very specific rules. Just because one person's photograph of a sunset might be drop-dead beautiful, a crooked horizon might affect the ranking on technical terms. Thirdly, technology vs technique. I further propose that the image be "weighted" by focal length. In lens selection, the closer you are to using a "normal" focal length, the better. For example, in the non-digital categories, 50mm is the normal focal length with an angle of view of 47 degrees and will have a weighting of "1". We will subtract the "Standard Deviation" of the actual lens used. See table at bottom of post. The weighting would apply to the "lens selection" judging. More to follow and open to suggestion... Focal Length Angle of View Weighting 8 66.5 -93.0452019 18 26.5 -36.4766594 21 22.5 -30.81980515 24 18.5 -25.1629509 28 14 -18.79898987 35 8 -10.3137085 40 4.5 -5.363961031 50 0 1 85 9 -11.72792206 100 11.5 -15.26345597 135 14.5 -19.50609665 180 16.5 -22.33452378 200 17.5 -23.74873734 250 18.5 -25.1629509 300 19.5 -26.57716447 350 20 -27.28427125 400 20.5 -27.99137803 500 21 -28.69848481 6500 21.5 -29.40559159 AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 17:14:57 2008 Received: (qmail 23957 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 16:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 16:14:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95974303B4 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:14:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C7E440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:14:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73AB19ECD7 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:14:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD8A19ECAB for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:14:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:14:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id mBAGEjcm007867 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:14:45 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com><493FA177.8030002@gmail.com> <493FBDEA.2070108@chucknorcutt.com><3CC964EF0D604DF4BECDF5B419E4E957@main> <493FE414.9090803@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:14:38 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 17:14:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493feb01311902046811720 These shots are not taken by me, they are from the scans I did for local Hospital Authority. My wife is the editor, she check all my scans and she is even more demanding :-) But I told her this is not our problem, with the low scanning price we can only afford very limited editing. May be you are right about the flash coverage but it could also be due to yellow spot lights. Anyway, I just want to show some problems that happen with mixed light. To me in these cases I will try to suppress the ambient as much as possible. Of course in some cases it is necessary to lower the shutter to avoid a dark background but mix light on the face is something that must be avoided. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > You're just fussier than me. The white's and grays in the first image > are actually quite well balanced in the range of your flash. The > problem was that your coverage angle wasn't wide enough to cover all the > participants. And, while not perfectly balanced, I see the second image > as perfectly acceptable after toning down the reds a bit and boosting > the blue. It leads to white shirts that are a bit too blue to be > neutral but the rest of the image is improved, IMHO. > > Dr. Flash > > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> I doubt there is different between fluorescent or incandescent. With >> mixed >> light in similar intensity illuminated from different angles you will >> create >> color cast on some area no matter how you balance in post processing. I >> did >> at least 5 company party events every year (for 10 years) and scanning >> thousands similar negatives from local hospital authority I see the >> problem >> there especially for stage shots where the spot light is too strong to >> override, the 1/60s flash sync speed of OM camera make things more >> difficult. >> >> Here are two examples (not by OM I believe): >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/D1-47-N-0005.jpg >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/D1-3-2-N-0025.jpg >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> >>> I didn't for a minute think that you'd actually take my flash advice but >>> decided I'd offer it anyway. I could tell from the mix of shutter >>> speeds, apertures and ISOs on those shots that you were doing a fair >>> amount of experimenting with what I knew was (to you) a new piece of >>> equipment. I also understand CH's comment about making the flash >>> dominant to avoid color balance problems but I rarely find that >>> incandescent and flash produce much of a problem together. Custom white >>> balance or shooting in raw works fine for me. Adding fluorescent or >>> other light sources into the mix can be a different story. >>> >>> Where you were shooting was tough. Most of my experience with flash >>> photography is in a venue where I have had a high degree of control over >>> the lighting and multiple flash units to work with... sometimes as many >>> as five. I'm not really sure if I'd have done much better than you in >>> the same situation. >>> >>> Dr. Flash >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1841 - Release Date: >> 12/10/2008 9:30 AM >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 17:32:46 2008 Received: (qmail 20840 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 16:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 16:32:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7402C43045B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:32:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA62440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:32:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33B519EDAC for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:32:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFF719ED8D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:32:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:32:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.cce.4276c7b3 (37169) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.153]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA048-5c38493fef052bd; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:32:14 -0500 Received: from FWM-D21 (fwm-d21.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.213]) by smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB026-5c38493fef052bd; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:32:05 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:32:05 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 170.223.203.227 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 170.223.203.227 by FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.213) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:32:05 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB28FBF90F9E56-15DC-73F@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 17:32:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493fef2e187411023412894 Please do. I look fwd to them. Mike I'll likely be posting some different views of the Olympics. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 17:36:55 2008 Received: (qmail 27147 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 16:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 16:36:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7534303A3 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87865440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:36:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B34B34AC00E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:36:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866DA34AC00D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:36:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15436 invoked by uid 504); 10 Dec 2008 16:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 16:36:30 -0000 Message-ID: <493FF00E.804@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:36:30 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com><493FA177.8030002@gmail.com> <493FBDEA.2070108@chucknorcutt.com><3CC964EF0D604DF4BECDF5B419E4E957@main> <493FE414.9090803@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 17:36:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ff02797865368819438 In the case of this shot the falloff on the right, IMHO, is a worse problem than the slight color imbalance and slight falloff at left. The head shadows on the wall are also a problem but that might have been unavoidable. It's also 12 years ago. Not much chance for repair in post, eh? I think there should have been another light at far right and they should have been mounted higher... but that's not always possible. Dr. Flash C.H.Ling wrote: > These shots are not taken by me, they are from the scans I did for local > Hospital Authority. My wife is the editor, she check all my scans and she is > even more demanding :-) But I told her this is not our problem, with the low > scanning price we can only afford very limited editing. > > May be you are right about the flash coverage but it could also be due to > yellow spot lights. Anyway, I just want to show some problems that happen > with mixed light. To me in these cases I will try to suppress the ambient as > much as possible. Of course in some cases it is necessary to lower the > shutter to avoid a dark background but mix light on the face is something > that must be avoided. > > C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 18:06:52 2008 Received: (qmail 31531 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 17:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 17:06:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D1043025E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:06:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6D1440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD8919EF2E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:06:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8367A19EF2C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:06:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:06:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C414C96DC for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:26:13 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <87B3C225-ABC3-4F67-BB70-8E93BC95D90A@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:06:41 +0000 References: <200812092143.mB9Lhdts023071@mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 18:06:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ff72c255751993019900 Amen, Ken. Don't do what you don't have to ... I started driving at 50mph during the high price period, and I still = don't go over 65 (indicated =96 to allow for the 10% error :-)) normally = on A roads (not motorways). Chris On 9 Dec 2008, at 22:21, Ken Norton wrote: > The reality is, efficiency is ALWAYS driven by money. If it comes to > starving myself or the car, the car loses. This summer, when gasoline > prices went to obscene levels, my Zuiko Carrier stayed parked more = > than it > has ever been. On a positive note, now that the prices have = > dropped, my > driving has not really increased as other topics of Zuiko-pointing = > have been > found not requiring much distance. > > So, therefore, even though I don't get too anal about carbon- = > footprints and > zero-impact living, I do believe that when given options for efficient > living or supporting renewables, I should make use of them. But = > when the > alternative to photography is carving stones because of perceived > carbon-footprint, I say somebody has gone loony. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 18:11:04 2008 Received: (qmail 27099 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 17:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 17:11:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C7A430366 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:11:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFD4440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:10:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136AE34AC00F for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:10:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691AB34AC00C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:10:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:10:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so286348yxi.80 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.67.10 with SMTP id p10mr968273aga.29.1228929057710; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.28.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:10:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:10:57 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493F8059.8010004@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209192146.010e0048@zuik.net> <493F8059.8010004@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 19f1c23e2d112e6b Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 Macro vs OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro (usage) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 18:11:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ff828257777350615338 > > It has absolutely nothing to do with my wife threatening to raise my > camera and computer tax from 50 percent to 100 percent ;-) > You've been spoiled. My problem is that I'm even taxed 100% on the FREE stuff. Yeah, it was a mistake showing her that one "BIN" on ebay for a prestine OM-3Ti. This is going to cost me new furniture before all is said and done. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 18:21:35 2008 Received: (qmail 17429 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 17:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 17:21:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9694303AB for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD52F440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E02A19EFF9 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:21:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E506519EFD4 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:21:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f16.google.com (mail-gx0-f16.google.com [209.85.217.16]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so713221gxk.8 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.72.3 with SMTP id u3mr965910aga.24.1228928782254; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.28.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:06:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:06:22 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493FF00E.804@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com> <493FA177.8030002@gmail.com> <493FBDEA.2070108@chucknorcutt.com> <3CC964EF0D604DF4BECDF5B419E4E957@main> <493FE414.9090803@chucknorcutt.com> <493FF00E.804@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f875f860fddbda1d Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 18:21:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ffa9f207682336821329 While I understand Moose's perspective on this, and for many applications, I'm right there with him. I personally prefer ambient lighting whenever possible. But the fact is, when I MUST get the shots, it sure helps having your own little controlled world of lighting. I've gotten really spoiled by using an Ultra-Bounce "dome" in small-room lighting situations. For example, when photographing my girls' birthday parties at the house. The light going everywhere looks totally natural and the fall-off is smooth and almost non-existent in look. It is the un-flash look. But, I've also taken to setting up a couple radio slaved flashes pointing at the ceiling from two different corners of the room (to my right and left, I use video production procedures by shooting in an 180 degree arc), so I don't have to worry about shooting into the lights. The dual ceiling flash looks completely natural and like normal room lights. Clamps are my friends. ag -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 18:25:19 2008 Received: (qmail 21996 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 17:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 17:25:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F275430347 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:25:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030D1440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E831E34AC00E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:25:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A322C34AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:25:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f17.google.com (mail-gx0-f17.google.com [209.85.217.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:25:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so686644gxk.10 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.30.13 with SMTP id d13mr983085agd.3.1228929645221; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.28.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:20:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:45 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <87B3C225-ABC3-4F67-BB70-8E93BC95D90A@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812092143.mB9Lhdts023071@mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au> <87B3C225-ABC3-4F67-BB70-8E93BC95D90A@threeshoes.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3d376b9654079b8f Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 18:25:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ffb7f5911257536491 > > I started driving at 50mph during the high price period, and I still > don't go over 65 (indicated =96 to allow for the 10% error :-)) normally > on A roads (not motorways). > I was also driving like a madman prior to the high gas prices. Now I drive like an old man. Note to self: Buy fedora, lower the seat and start driving with hands on the top of the wheel. AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 18:31:38 2008 Received: (qmail 29311 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 17:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 17:31:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C41043026C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECD1440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601B019F069 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:31:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D5419F05F for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:31:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.191]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:31:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u5so416981tia.10 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.103.5 with SMTP id a5mr2346878tic.26.1228930289070; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.43.14 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:31:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7e764efe0812100931o720c133vdd136b72d6f9d180@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:31:28 +0800 From: "khen lim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812092143.mB9Lhdts023071@mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au> <87B3C225-ABC3-4F67-BB70-8E93BC95D90A@threeshoes.net> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 18:31:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ffcfa123281838542571 Then I must be the odd one out here.130kmh (approx 81mph) is fairly normal over here. If I'm desperately needing to make up lost time, I would go to 180kmh (112.5mph) provided the conditions allow but that's not often. With the high gasoline prices of late, I resorted to keeping my revs as much as possible below 3,000RPM, which translates to about 110kmh (69mph) for highway driving. Around town, keeping the revs to no more than 2,500RPM even for gear change points (auto trans is fuzzy logic) helps me to achieve around 610km on a single full tank of gas (75 litres). K. 2008/12/11 Ken Norton > > > > I started driving at 50mph during the high price period, and I still > > don't go over 65 (indicated =96 to allow for the 10% error :-)) normally > > on A roads (not motorways). > > > > > I was also driving like a madman prior to the high gas prices. Now I dri= ve > like an old man. Note to self: Buy fedora, lower the seat and start > driving with hands on the top of the wheel. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = Khen Lim - Zone-10 LLC, Des Moines, Iowa, USA "To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of people" - Emily Cox "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them" - Walt Disney -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 18:32:05 2008 Received: (qmail 2293 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 17:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 17:32:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578BC430281 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:32:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D8D440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89AF034AC005 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:31:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1C734AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:31:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k57so517655rnd.13 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:31:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.73.17 with SMTP id v17mr989255aga.25.1228930316529; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:31:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.28.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:31:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:31:56 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <493F445F.5080407@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> <493F445F.5080407@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f1f5c519150d978d Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 18:32:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 493ffd15230691234514069 > > In the particular case at hand, the mountains in question are the > Olympic range on the Olympic Peninsula, in Mike's neck of the woods. Not > particularly tall, relative to other Western ranges, but properly > rugged, with steep slopes, sawtooth ridges, snow caps with several > glaciers. And boy are they wet! They give real meaning to the term > 'temperate rain forest'. > Absolute altitude isn't necessarily an accurate way of describing what a "mountain" is. I prefer to really look at how much it rises from the surrounding average terrain. In Colorado, there are some really decent sized mountains in the University Range, but compared to surrounding elevation they really aren't that impressive. There are "bumps" in the 4-corners area that you can walk up in five minutes without breaking a sweat that would be called "mountains" based on absolute altitude. What makes the western slope of the Sierras so impressive is the fact that the rise from the valley floor is so great. This is also why the mountains of Snowdonia, which in altitude terms can barely be called "hills", are imposing because they rise almost directly from the sea. To me, anytime you have a one-mile vertical rise, I consider that a mountain. Anything less is just mountainous. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 19:18:20 2008 Received: (qmail 15742 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 18:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 18:18:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89EE4304E8 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9200A440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:18:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3AF19F2BE for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:18:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C979F19F2B1 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:18:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.156]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so303819ywa.80 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:18:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.99.3 with SMTP id w3mr1025932agb.111.1228933092675; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:18:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.28.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:18:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:18:12 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <7e764efe0812100931o720c133vdd136b72d6f9d180@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812092143.mB9Lhdts023071@mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au> <87B3C225-ABC3-4F67-BB70-8E93BC95D90A@threeshoes.net> <7e764efe0812100931o720c133vdd136b72d6f9d180@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 74766b6f84d2b99e Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 19:18:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 494007ec99701470116606 > > If I'm desperately needing to make up lost time, I would go to > 180kmh (112.5mph) provided the conditions allow but that's not often. > I don't think my Jeeps could even go that fast! But then, I can take the short-cuts. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 19:20:00 2008 Received: (qmail 19209 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 18:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 18:19:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5EEB4304D2 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:19:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43D0440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FBF34AC005 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:19:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AC334AC00D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:19:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u5so424553tia.10 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.73.19 with SMTP id v19mr2404208tia.22.1228933191627; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.43.14 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:19:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7e764efe0812101019v2d613596sdf38f283e3faa942@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:19:51 +0800 From: "khen lim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812092143.mB9Lhdts023071@mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au> <87B3C225-ABC3-4F67-BB70-8E93BC95D90A@threeshoes.net> <7e764efe0812100931o720c133vdd136b72d6f9d180@mail.gmail.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 19:20:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49400850278665368819438 Aren't Jeeps meant for beach trekking only? 2008/12/11 Ken Norton > > > > If I'm desperately needing to make up lost time, I would go to > > 180kmh (112.5mph) provided the conditions allow but that's not often. > > > > > I don't think my Jeeps could even go that fast! > > But then, I can take the short-cuts. :) > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- Khen Lim - Zone-10 LLC, Des Moines, Iowa, USA "To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of people" - Emily Cox "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them" - Walt Disney -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 19:32:45 2008 Received: (qmail 1141 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 18:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 18:32:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2083D4303C1 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302B1440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B81A19F34B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:32:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97DB19F33E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:32:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:32:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3953140C4 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3CB3140B9 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:53:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49400B48.3000100@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:32:40 -0800 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081210-0, 12/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 19:32:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49400b4d5122336821329 > > The Olympics are nothing like the scale of the Rockies, but have a rugged profile. Actually the Olympics rise steeply from the ocean to 8000'/2400m not unlike the Rockies' rise from the inland plateau. And they do it in a shorter distance as anyone who has hiked them can attest. The Rockies span nearly an entire continent though and the Olympics a smallish peninsula but give 'em a few tens of millions of years :-) The Olympics have much to do with the fine sunsets around here. They create a small rainshadow amidst the downpour and a break in the clouds for the sun to shine through. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 20:21:02 2008 Received: (qmail 29795 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 19:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 19:21:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DA4430347 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FA7440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D342834AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3856134AC005 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f12.google.com (mail-gx0-f12.google.com [209.85.217.12]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk5 with SMTP id 5so77213gxk.13 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.92.14 with SMTP id p14mr654443agb.73.1228936853744; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.28.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:20:53 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <7e764efe0812101019v2d613596sdf38f283e3faa942@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812092143.mB9Lhdts023071@mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au> <87B3C225-ABC3-4F67-BB70-8E93BC95D90A@threeshoes.net> <7e764efe0812100931o720c133vdd136b72d6f9d180@mail.gmail.com> <7e764efe0812101019v2d613596sdf38f283e3faa942@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 97b201f91fa642f7 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 20:21:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940169e121101702588592 > > Aren't Jeeps meant for beach trekking only? > You sad, sad man. ;) See note about "mountains". While you go around them, we go over them., 'course, here in Iowa..... AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 20:25:10 2008 Received: (qmail 21179 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 19:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 19:25:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1CB4303B5 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A705F440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:24:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAF119F503 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:24:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7A919F515 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:24:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 26 days 12:24:34 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:24:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5376C25FE21B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:24:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6aMawrXzfRFd for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F05B25FE20C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:24:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <40A4E043-776F-43B9-9894-A8D64AC48B92@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:24:51 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 20:25:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49401796206771035110158 > From: "Ken Norton" > > The reality is, efficiency is ALWAYS driven by money. That's only true in the Church of Growth within which almost all = humans worship today. I'd argue that what underlies money is always energy, and the = resources provided by energy. But the economists and bankers prefer to = work in a world of infinite energy. > According to some opinions, it > takes like 10 pounds of coal to mine one pound of coal. I will assume you are engaging in hyperbole in order to make your = point, or that "some opinions" is something you overheard on a bus. I = know of no credible researcher who says that, and I spend considerable = time on the topic. But what *is* true -- which belies the myth that money drives = efficiency -- is that as an energy resource becomes more dear, it = takes more and more energy to provide that resource, eventually = reaching the point of negative return, at which point NO amount of = efficiency is going to provide more of that energy source. When oil shot out of the ground in Titusville, Pennsylvania in 1859, = you could harvest 100 barrels of oil at the equivalent energy cost of = just one barrel of oil. Today, the ratio is closer to 5:1. Coal has followed a similar curve. Most of the highest quality = (anthracite) is now gone. If you demand anthracite for a particular = application, I'll bet it does indeed require ten units of energy to = get one unit of anthracite out. Perhaps that's the root of the "some = opinions" you've heard. The world has moved on to bituminous coal (soft, or brown coal). It is = more plentiful, but dirtier, and has considerably less energy content = per weight or volume as anthracite. Many researchers believe bitumen = may be near its peak, and its price has gone way up, causing a = subsequent increase in the mining of lignite, which is little more = than peat, and has vastly less energy than anthracite. So far, what you started with is true: Adam Smith waved his invisible = hand, and market forces worked, keeping energy available by increasing = cost. But look closely at something he never envisioned in a world of = less than a billion people: we are now steadily moving DOWN the energy = efficiency chain in our fuel use! What is true of the anthracite-bitumen-lignite sequence has also = happened with oil. Light sweet crude is well over half gone, and the = difference is made up in high sulphur crude that requires more = processing. When that is half gone (which many claim is already true), = we begin synthesizing crude from "tar sands." The energy returned for = energy invested for tar sands is less than 3:1, but still a positive = balance, unlike ethanol, which many researchers claim takes more = energy to make than is in the resulting product. To many on this list, this will seem like a religious discussion, a = matter of opinion and belief, rather than cold, hard, fact. That's = true! Because we all worship in the Church of Growth, and any argument = that growth cannot continue in a finite world is shouted down as = blasphemy. I will read your cries of blasphemy with a grin, but I'm going to sit = on my hands and not reply to this thread. Contact me off-list if you = want more information, or start with Chris Martenson's excellent = "Crash Course:" http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse :::: Farmers don=92t yet realize it, but rural areas have become no more = than colonies from which cities are sucking the wealth. -- Kamyar = Enshayan :::: :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op :::: -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 20:25:20 2008 Received: (qmail 23941 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 19:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 19:25:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9339443048B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:25:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0752D440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:25:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A1E34AC00E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:25:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.62 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.62 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBB434AC00C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:25:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.harbornet.com (smtp.harbornet.com [199.2.132.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([216.174.237.242]) by smtp.harbornet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id mBAK7NUm025697 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:07:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4940179C.6090108@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:25:16 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493FCA05.9060703@verizon.net> <7e764efe0812100725g4f5f45e9hf20cb240fa7df8ad@mail.gmail.com> <493FE4BC.5030802@chucknorcutt.com> <7e764efe0812100753s525d0a4vd43024247104d287@mail.gmail.com> <32267166.54191228925197169.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 20:25:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 494017a0133385368819438 Minimalism obviously won't be applying to the rules! :) Long post with categories, judging, lens weighting data and other confusing stuff deleted to avoid jamming up the list. Jim Couch -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 20:31:31 2008 Received: (qmail 6048 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 19:31:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 19:31:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E71243025E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40BE440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C950919F56C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:31:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028AC19F561 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:31:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23563 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2008 19:31:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JjB9p18VM1n02.dc4XP_g12HpYdMmVt3LcnQkm14kcw_l5r2B3fB2JzxIu5MPDUMJicqQD.YY9KzplhcedjzFyTBfuT8melOWC.sT7TQzqGMPesJmQmKEu1zp_7t3N5ARxCWrO5zxZOD.Umt5B.oxM55ITL8aT2Iojjjg_pKrljt4HZqx.75LnjLlL7UTwTpeeDfi1EgTSXGZ20- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:31:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:31:24 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <194479.23447.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 20:31:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49401913179229347015869 "Classic Camera's" as in any old camera? That would be too broad. Although I do agree that any OM should fit the bill. Now could I borrow someone's 3ti?!? Ha ha. --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Ken Norton wrote: > From: Ken Norton > Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 11:06 AM > Upon further thought, (OK, I'm mindlessly yabbering), > the thought of > "exclusion" is bothersome. I dislike having any > form of competition which > is exclusionary in any way. For example, there are > list-members who have no > practical access to film or development. Others who have no > OM-3Ti or even > OM-1. While people like Bill Barber have trolled the world > over for every > last working OM-2S. I grew up being excluded by others > because I grew up on > the wrong side of the tracks, couldn't play sports > well, etc. (ie, Napolian > Dynamite). I didn't like exclusion then, and I > don't like it now. > > However, I also really like the idea of promoting the use > of "classic > cameras" and having specific competitions using > specific tools. How do we > make this "inclusionary" without watering down > the terms of the events. > Also, I know that some people are going to really bark at > the thought that > they are "competing". Well, tough. ;) > > First of all, I propose an "incentive". When a > prize is on the line people > tend to set aside their excuses and find solutions to their > problems. This > topic will be noodled a bit and I'll see if I can scare > up some "sponsors". > It might be a brick of film, it might be something else. > Who knows. > Contrary to popular believe, it will NOT be the OM-3Ti. :) > > Secondly, how to prevent exclusion? This might be a case > were we can > compete in "categories". OM-1 series category, > OM-2 series category, OM-3 > series category, OM-4 series category, E-System Category, > Zuiko Lens with > some Third-Party Digital-Back. Then place limits on > entries. You can > compete in any and all categories, but only one image per > category. There > would be a winner per category as well as an overall > winner. Obviously, the > more categories you enter, the greater your chance of > winning the full > enchilada platter. > > The image judging criteria will be published ahead of time > and the judging > will be peer review, however per very very specific rules. > Just because one > person's photograph of a sunset might be drop-dead > beautiful, a crooked > horizon might affect the ranking on technical terms. > > Thirdly, technology vs technique. I further propose that > the image be > "weighted" by focal length. In lens selection, > the closer you are to using > a "normal" focal length, the better. For > example, in the non-digital > categories, 50mm is the normal focal length with an angle > of view of 47 > degrees and will have a weighting of "1". We > will subtract the "Standard > Deviation" of the actual lens used. See table at > bottom of post. The > weighting would apply to the "lens selection" > judging. > > More to follow and open to suggestion... > > Focal Length Angle of View Weighting 8 66.5 -93.0452019 > 18 26.5 > -36.4766594 21 22.5 -30.81980515 24 18.5 -25.1629509 28 > 14 -18.79898987 > 35 8 -10.3137085 40 4.5 -5.363961031 50 0 1 85 9 > -11.72792206 100 11.5 > -15.26345597 135 14.5 -19.50609665 180 16.5 -22.33452378 > 200 17.5 > -23.74873734 250 18.5 -25.1629509 300 19.5 -26.57716447 > 350 20 > -27.28427125 400 20.5 -27.99137803 500 21 -28.69848481 > 6500 21.5 > -29.40559159 > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 21:19:42 2008 Received: (qmail 29556 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 20:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 20:19:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8354304C3 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:19:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B29440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:19:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F142F19F740 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:19:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864C819F73B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:19:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.127]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19871 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2008 20:19:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WcK6_t8VM1lhlXt0YaBv.hOlUMmDxpP36tKu1ffYtF_4Pd5g1NzGSULEDnxluTO8ANUU1RLTeNUFV445nSE3SQxD8vqPU22nZfJ9VUhO0N1ChmP4yOiNR5eO3kKGUBoVqPd5MHznemSXg5Z9d_Fanl8bT6eJhFHwSEsQB5xOs_v5zAtfAX_4X98PlmdO Received: from [71.97.4.235] by web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:19:32 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:19:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <994624.19058.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master 2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 21:19:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940245e62277927319144 =A0 =A0Chris,=A0 I have ver 2.11, the gal at Oly I spoke to said that was t= he latest version. She also said that Master will not see an E-1. I don't k= now why other than to have me pay for Studio 2, although I haven't even che= cked on the price. I'll keep trying, as it appears no one has tried it. Tha= nks, Jerry Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Chris Barker wrote: From: Chris Barker Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master 2 To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 3:35 AM Have you tried updating Master, Jerry? Chris On 9 Dec 2008, at 19:42, Jerry Smith wrote: > For the E-thingy users out there, I was curious about the = > firmware on my E-1, 14-54 and FL-50 flash. I thought Oly Master 2 = > would do that, but it will not see my camera. So I called Oly about = > it and they said it will not see my E-1, that I should use Oly = > Studio 2. They sent me a link to download it for a 30 trial, so I'm = > guessing it will cost something to use after that. How have any one = > else done this? Are there any current updates for any of these? The = > biggest gripe I have is low light focus, although I doubt much being = > done now the E-3 is out. TIA, > Jerry > Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 21:23:27 2008 Received: (qmail 22840 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 20:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 20:23:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E980443045B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:23:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4B8440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:23:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB9B19F759 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:23:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7802919F742 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:23:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (myzen.co.uk is listed in black.uribl.com) Received: from smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.140]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:23:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LAVaU-0003dU-K9 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:23:14 +0000 Message-ID: <49402538.7050302@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:23:20 +0000 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493EE169.4010008@m93.myzen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <493EE169.4010008@m93.myzen.co.uk> X-Originating-Smarthost01-IP: [217.155.39.109] Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus XA X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 21:23:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940253f285442336821329 Thanks to everyone who replied to my original query. Just managed to pick up an XA on the bay for about =A336, including = shipping from Austria. Now I just have to wait to see if it works, or not..... :-( Martyn Martyn Smoothy wrote: > Hi, > > Seem to recall that someone posted a "for sale" on an Olympus XA a few = > days ago... (had a clean up & lost the original post). > If it's still on offer please get back to me - or if anyone else has one = > they no longer need, I'd be interested. > > Regards - Martyn Smoothy > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 21:40:06 2008 Received: (qmail 15936 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 20:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 20:40:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD2843044C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AFF440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:39:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E72719F7F8 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:39:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A435219F7D3 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:39:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:39:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pTCE1a00B17dt5G59Yfuas; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:39:54 +0000 Received: from FAMILYMAIN ([67.191.193.244]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pYft1a00R5GqpUb3ZYftKr; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:39:54 +0000 Message-ID: <45277404333247A999A726A2BFB8FAB0@FAMILYMAIN> From: "Gary Holder \(c\)" To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:39:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: [OM] Nostalgia and the New World (this newfangled Internet-thingee) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 21:40:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49402926184351869477228 Folks, The link below was headlined on my Start Page , and it got me nostalgically wondering: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Yearbooks-Come-Alive-With-Innovative/story.aspx?guid={3ECA344C-F2C7-4DB8-9861-C7BA315B4130} That is, how many of you "Old Pros" (OK, maybe not "old", but at least "Real"--whereas, I'm a total amateur) got your start as a HS student yearbook photographer--and does this product look like a winner? I did not myself do such stuff, and only slightly knew some HS yearbook staff (or newspaper staff, for that matter); it was not my crowd.. On the other hand, I did get to know one of the college daily-paper photographers in grad school, and he sold me on my first OM (he used OM 1), and sold me his honorably-dinged-on-the-corner Winder 2. Gary Holder -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 22:22:22 2008 Received: (qmail 17723 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 21:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 21:22:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C65430502 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B29440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173B134AC00D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:22:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E14934AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:22:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDBE46157D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:39:23 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6509D2D8-B37F-41DE-8F01-B61486441E19@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7e764efe0812100931o720c133vdd136b72d6f9d180@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:22:11 +0000 References: <200812092143.mB9Lhdts023071@mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au> <87B3C225-ABC3-4F67-BB70-8E93BC95D90A@threeshoes.net> <7e764efe0812100931o720c133vdd136b72d6f9d180@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 22:22:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940330e175498512572685 That must be a petrol-engined machine, Khen. I would get 105mph from 3,000rpm and my 75l of diesel will do over 700miles. That's a 2l, 4 cylinder BMW turbo-diesel for you :-) Chris On 10 Dec 2008, at 17:31, khen lim wrote: > Then I must be the odd one out here.130kmh (approx 81mph) is fairly > normal > over here. If I'm desperately needing to make up lost time, I would > go to > 180kmh (112.5mph) provided the conditions allow but that's not often. > With the high gasoline prices of late, I resorted to keeping my revs > as much > as possible below 3,000RPM, which translates to about 110kmh (69mph) > for > highway driving. Around town, keeping the revs to no more than > 2,500RPM even > for gear change points (auto trans is fuzzy logic) helps me to achieve > around 610km on a single full tank of gas (75 litres). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 22:32:03 2008 Received: (qmail 28440 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 21:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 21:32:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5C3430459 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B51440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:31:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8091CD483 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:31:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.904 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.904 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDCD1CD481 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:31:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:31:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.239]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBALVqqC024564 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:31:52 +1100 Message-Id: <200812102131.mBALVqqC024564@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:31:52 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:31:52 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 22:32:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940355386231257536491 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > 24-300 doesn't strike me as "minimalist" :-) > So what's the deal here, do we mean minimalist equipment, minimalist subject matter, minimal manipulation, etc. ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 22:34:17 2008 Received: (qmail 4534 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 21:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 21:34:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AD3430459 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CD3440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C181CD483 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:34:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.904 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.904 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515AA1CD481 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:34:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:34:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.239]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBALY7iF028016 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:34:08 +1100 Message-Id: <200812102134.mBALY7iF028016@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:34:07 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:34:07 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 22:34:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 494035d9105801585427447 > khen lim wrote: > > LOL....actually you're right!If we were to go all the way to define > minimalism, then stick with certain fixed focal lengths such as 28mm, > 35mm > and 50mm. But if we do, a lot of people won't be participating - well, > that's my guess. Some amongst us are so smitten with the 90mm f2 - and > for > good reason of course - and they're not likely to warm to this idea. > How about a quick survey ? Is there anyone on this list with an OM body that doesn't have a 50mm lens to fit it ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 22:39:09 2008 Received: (qmail 27688 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 21:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 21:39:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F37430461 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF178440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E99834AC00C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:39:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.904 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.904 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA7F34AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:39:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:39:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.239]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBALd22B030754 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:39:02 +1100 Message-Id: <200812102139.mBALd22B030754@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:39:01 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:39:01 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 22:39:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 494036fd161051529615919 Well the "rules" don't look like they will be "minimalist" ! ...Wayne > Ken Norton wrote: > Upon further thought, (OK, I'm mindlessly yabbering), the thought of "exclusion" is bothersome. I dislike having any form of competition which is exclusionary in any way. For example, there are list-members who have no practical access to film or development. Others who have no OM-3Ti or even OM-1. While people like Bill Barber have trolled the world over for every last working OM-2S. I grew up being excluded by others because I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks, couldn't play sports well, etc. (ie, Napolian Dynamite). I didn't like exclusion then, and I don't like it now. However, I also really like the idea of promoting the use of "classic cameras" and having specific competitions using specific tools. How do we make this "inclusionary" without watering down the terms of the events. Also, I know that some people are going to really bark at the thought that they are "competing". Well, tough. ;) First of all, I propose an "incentive". When a prize is on the line people tend to set aside their excuses and find solutions to their problems. This topic will be noodled a bit and I'll see if I can scare up some "sponsors". It might be a brick of film, it might be something else. Who knows. Contrary to popular believe, it will NOT be the OM-3Ti. :) Secondly, how to prevent exclusion? This might be a case were we can compete in "categories". OM-1 series category, OM-2 series category, OM-3 series category, OM-4 series category, E-System Category, Zuiko Lens with some Third-Party Digital-Back. Then place limits on entries. You can compete in any and all categories, but only one image per category. There would be a winner per category as well as an overall winner. Obviously, the more categories you enter, the greater your chance of winning the full enchilada platter. The image judging criteria will be published ahead of time and the judging will be peer review, however per very very specific rules. Just because one person's photograph of a sunset might be drop-dead beautiful, a crooked horizon might affect the ranking on technical terms. Thirdly, technology vs technique. I further propose that the image be "weighted" by focal length. In lens selection, the closer you are to using a "normal" focal length, the better. For example, in the non-digital categories, 50mm is the normal focal length with an angle of view of 47 degrees and will have a weighting of "1". We will subtract the "Standard Deviation" of the actual lens used. See table at bottom of post. The weighting would apply to the "lens selection" judging. More to follow and open to suggestion... Focal Length Angle of View Weighting 8 66.5 -93.0452019 18 26.5 -36.4766594 21 22.5 -30.81980515 24 18.5 -25.1629509 28 14 -18.79898987 35 8 -10.3137085 40 4.5 -5.363961031 50 0 1 85 9 -11.72792206 100 11.5 -15.26345597 135 14.5 -19.50609665 180 16.5 -22.33452378 200 17.5 -23.74873734 250 18.5 -25.1629509 300 19.5 -26.57716447 350 20 -27.28427125 400 20.5 -27.99137803 500 21 -28.69848481 6500 21.5 -29.40559159 AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 22:40:22 2008 Received: (qmail 15458 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 21:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 21:40:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F4843045B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:40:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155F9440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:40:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E0034AC016 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:40:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD74A34AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:40:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9964 invoked by uid 504); 10 Dec 2008 21:40:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 21:40:01 -0000 Message-ID: <49403731.40506@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:40:01 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200812102131.mBALVqqC024564@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200812102131.mBALVqqC024564@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 22:40:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49403746111921744846740 Based on the way this was started and presented (OM-1 with 50/1.4 or 90/2) it was my opinion that we were talking about minimalist equipment. But I don't judge the 90/2 to be minimalist equipment either. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> 24-300 doesn't strike me as "minimalist" :-) >> > > So what's the deal here, do we mean minimalist equipment, minimalist subject matter, minimal manipulation, etc. ? > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1841 - Release Date: 12/10/2008 9:30 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 22:47:42 2008 Received: (qmail 6726 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 21:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 21:47:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3D34304C3 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:47:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09622440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A471CD481 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:47:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CCC1CD482 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:47:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:47:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16617 invoked by uid 504); 10 Dec 2008 21:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 21:47:35 -0000 Message-ID: <494038F7.1020309@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:47:35 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200812102134.mBALY7iF028016@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200812102134.mBALY7iF028016@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 22:47:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 494038fe28802336821329 I've got five 50mm lenses (two 1.4s, two 1.8s and a 3.5 macro) but, as Khen says, I think 28 and 35 have to be judged pretty common as well. Zuiko 85, 90 and 100mm are probably relatively on the rare side but the 135/3.5 is probably fairly common as I'm sure it was considerably cheaper than its shorter telephoto brethren. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > >> khen lim wrote: >> >> LOL....actually you're right!If we were to go all the way to define >> minimalism, then stick with certain fixed focal lengths such as 28mm, >> 35mm >> and 50mm. But if we do, a lot of people won't be participating - well, >> that's my guess. Some amongst us are so smitten with the 90mm f2 - and >> for >> good reason of course - and they're not likely to warm to this idea. >> > > How about a quick survey ? Is there anyone on this list with an OM body that doesn't have a 50mm lens to fit it ? > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1841 - Release Date: 12/10/2008 9:30 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 22:49:00 2008 Received: (qmail 24466 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 21:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 21:48:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C782F4303B5 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:48:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6E6440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:48:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1DA1CD482 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:48:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0176C1CD483 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:48:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.127]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 90235 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2008 21:48:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MA3qsQgVM1min7iHOm2pX4Y540QPapQS2UZu01vbs2IFW8ovO5auXxtABhEi5HGX4i29if_G6WegHEwYTXCrdefnlnkSuGOA_gEX6YbaH_pgNENpMhCzR6LO623dSJ6yQUlVJQY4jExlgGrb7EPFvjnP8hAqNsUrH8wKGplVRzNG6ghx_ls0mrWnA8b2 Received: from [71.97.4.235] by web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:48:48 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:48:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <378546.89214.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master 2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 22:49:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940394c314349117217770 =A0 =A0Jeff,=A0My problem is I got my E-1 from the bay, and didn't receive = any software. But if anyone has a copy I'd like to get one. I still don't u= nderstand why Master 2 will not see an E-1, but anyway, I'll get around it.= Thanks, Jerry Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Jeff Keller wrote: From: Jeff Keller Subject: Re: [OM] Oly Master 2 To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 2:43 PM The free Olympus Viewer that shipped with the E-1 can connect to the internet and do an update. I haven't looked for several months but I believe the last update was at least a year ago. -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Smith [mailto:proud_texan63@yahoo.com] = Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 11:43 AM To: Olympus Camera Subject: [OM] Oly Master 2 =A0 =A0For the E-thingy users out there,=A0I was curious about the firmware= on my E-1, 14-54 and FL-50 flash. I thought Oly Master 2 would do that, but it will not see my camera. So I called Oly about it and they said it will not see my E-1, that I should use Oly Studio 2. They sent me a link to download it for a 30 trial, so I'm guessing it will cost something to use after that. How have any one else done this? Are there any current updates for any of these? The biggest gripe I have is low light focus, although I doubt much being done now the E-3 is out. TIA, Jerry -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 22:55:19 2008 Received: (qmail 27085 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 21:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 21:55:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B8A430442 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB3C440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:55:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7954C1CD486 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:55:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.411 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.411 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5741CD483 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:55:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.126]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32399 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2008 21:55:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _yO7cOgVM1l9RllsUA4gzOFuANylqQMjnVHbw8IEOKxIJ62R_Yg3rUtWn6G.Bw56Sc0l8.eUvlOQa5UBrXQYvul7kIcK3hn..1JhtkZ8Ji2p9V1jdfAdjDNv19uHi_HqLyoMhCNySKDSDV6e0R.nO4C0RDxGI.VZcwBvzU2F_UtdJuiBAYZ5s7c5sz.g Received: from [71.97.4.235] by web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:55:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:55:08 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <857317.32349.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 22:55:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49403ac7213271257536491 =A0 I'm in, =A0I like the categories Ag has set up, I'm hoping we go the 28= , 35, 50 route. I have a 100 f2.8 but no 90 or 135. I like the minimalistic= idea of mechanical cameras, not so sure about photo's. Looking forward to = this coming around. Jerry Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 22:59:17 2008 Received: (qmail 2381 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 21:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 21:59:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B27F43048E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D834F440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57521CD483 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C034F1CD481 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f13.google.com (mail-gx0-f13.google.com [209.85.217.13]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so982720gxk.14 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.73.17 with SMTP id v17mr1173719aga.25.1228946349335; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.28.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:59:09 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4940179C.6090108@spokeandsprocket.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493FCA05.9060703@verizon.net> <7e764efe0812100725g4f5f45e9hf20cb240fa7df8ad@mail.gmail.com> <493FE4BC.5030802@chucknorcutt.com> <7e764efe0812100753s525d0a4vd43024247104d287@mail.gmail.com> <32267166.54191228925197169.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4940179C.6090108@spokeandsprocket.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 87a5c3bb772ffdb7 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 22:59:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49403bb5173151869477228 > > Minimalism obviously won't be applying to the rules! :) > > Well, the "simple solution" rarely turns out to be. How do we put together a competition which everybody could participate in one form or another. I'd be happy to have an OM-3Ti competition as I know that the pool of participants would be low, therefore my chances of winning greater. But throw the OM-1 and OM-3 into the mix and things get tougher. Then the question came up that the OM-2 and 4 bodies actually have 1/60 mechanical shutters so they shouldn't be excluded... And so it goes. But to open it up completely really doesn't accomplish the goal of getting people to get out the old stuff. Instead of competing in different categories, maybe we can apply a weighting to the "technology factor". The older or more limited the equipment, the greater the factor. For instance, let's base each judging aspect on a 1-100 scale. Lens Technology Factor - Maximum of 100 Points minus stdev of AoV from standard focal length: 8mm lens 100-93 = 7 18mm lens 100-36 = 64 24mm lens 100-25 = 75 35mm lens 100-10 = 90 50mm lens 100-0 = 100 100mm lens 100-15 = 85 200mm lens 100-24 = 76 (abbreviated list for example sake) The reason for a Lens Technology factor is that people with extreme focal-length lenses MIGHT have an advantage over a standard-lens. This helps balance out the haves and have-nots. A person with an 8mm lens could slam-dunk the rest of us with the ultra-cool uber-shot. This will help take away some of the unfair advantage. Then comes the Film-Digital Factor - Maximum of 100 Points. Film = 100 points Digital = 0 points (This encourages people to shoot film, but if the absolute maximum of all judging categories is around 1000 points, a 10% hit may still keep your photo in the running.) Then comes Brand Factor - Maximum of 200 Points. Olympus Camera, Zuiko Lens = 200 points Olympus Camera, Other Lens = 100 points Other Camera, Zuiko Lens = 100 points Other Camera, Other Lens = 0 points (yeah, you got it. This allows anybody to participate with any brand camera and lens, but this category is 1/5 of the total point count, so look out) Camera Age Factor - This is the "Bonus Round" Age of camera * 10 points. (Therefore, a 35-year old M1 will be worth 350 points, a brand new Canon 5Dmk2 will be 0 points) Camera Technology Factor - Maximum of 100 Points Pinhole camera, no meter, no nothing - 100 points Mechanical camera, no auto anything - 75 points Electronic camera, auto something - 50 points Electronic camera, auto everything - 25 points Face Detection - 0 points (just having fun here) Then we get into the various artistic categories: Artistic Interpretation, 1-100 points Compositional Skills, 1-100 points Use of color or contrast, 1-100 points etc., etc., etc. with at least 50% of all possible points based on the photograph itself. These are judged by all participants. (group think). And so on.... I think that this type of contest would allow people to dig out an old Pen-F or the Canon 5Dmk2 depending on their individual circumstances and not be at a disadvantage. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 23:42:28 2008 Received: (qmail 20305 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 22:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 22:42:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5D1430463 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:42:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CE5440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1451CD484 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:42:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C31A1CD481 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:42:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:42:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18559 invoked by uid 504); 10 Dec 2008 22:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 22:42:17 -0000 Message-ID: <494045C9.40001@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:42:17 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493FCA05.9060703@verizon.net> <7e764efe0812100725g4f5f45e9hf20cb240fa7df8ad@mail.gmail.com> <493FE4BC.5030802@chucknorcutt.com> <7e764efe0812100753s525d0a4vd43024247104d287@mail.gmail.com> <32267166.54191228925197169.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4940179C.6090108@spokeandsprocket.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 23:42:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 494045d4100711946193717 Too complicated. 28, 35, 50 or a zoom set to one of those focal lengths. Any body in manual exposure mode. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Minimalism obviously won't be applying to the rules! :) >> >> > Well, the "simple solution" rarely turns out to be. How do we put together > a competition which everybody could participate in one form or another. I'd > be happy to have an OM-3Ti competition as I know that the pool of > participants would be low, therefore my chances of winning greater. But > throw the OM-1 and OM-3 into the mix and things get tougher. > > Then the question came up that the OM-2 and 4 bodies actually have 1/60 > mechanical shutters so they shouldn't be excluded... > > And so it goes. > > But to open it up completely really doesn't accomplish the goal of getting > people to get out the old stuff. Instead of competing in different > categories, maybe we can apply a weighting to the "technology factor". The > older or more limited the equipment, the greater the factor. For instance, > let's base each judging aspect on a 1-100 scale. > > Lens Technology Factor - Maximum of 100 Points minus stdev of AoV from > standard focal length: > 8mm lens 100-93 = 7 > 18mm lens 100-36 = 64 > 24mm lens 100-25 = 75 > 35mm lens 100-10 = 90 > 50mm lens 100-0 = 100 > 100mm lens 100-15 = 85 > 200mm lens 100-24 = 76 > (abbreviated list for example sake) > > The reason for a Lens Technology factor is that people with extreme > focal-length lenses MIGHT have an advantage over a standard-lens. This > helps balance out the haves and have-nots. A person with an 8mm lens could > slam-dunk the rest of us with the ultra-cool uber-shot. This will help take > away some of the unfair advantage. > > Then comes the Film-Digital Factor - Maximum of 100 Points. > Film = 100 points > Digital = 0 points > (This encourages people to shoot film, but if the absolute maximum of all > judging categories is around 1000 points, a 10% hit may still keep your > photo in the running.) > > Then comes Brand Factor - Maximum of 200 Points. > Olympus Camera, Zuiko Lens = 200 points > Olympus Camera, Other Lens = 100 points > Other Camera, Zuiko Lens = 100 points > Other Camera, Other Lens = 0 points > (yeah, you got it. This allows anybody to participate with any brand camera > and lens, but this category is 1/5 of the total point count, so look out) > > Camera Age Factor - This is the "Bonus Round" > Age of camera * 10 points. > (Therefore, a 35-year old M1 will be worth 350 points, a brand new Canon > 5Dmk2 will be 0 points) > > Camera Technology Factor - Maximum of 100 Points > Pinhole camera, no meter, no nothing - 100 points > Mechanical camera, no auto anything - 75 points > Electronic camera, auto something - 50 points > Electronic camera, auto everything - 25 points > Face Detection - 0 points > (just having fun here) > > Then we get into the various artistic categories: > Artistic Interpretation, 1-100 points > Compositional Skills, 1-100 points > Use of color or contrast, 1-100 points > etc., etc., etc. with at least 50% of all possible points based on the > photograph itself. These are judged by all participants. (group think). > > And so on.... > > I think that this type of contest would allow people to dig out an old Pen-F > or the Canon 5Dmk2 depending on their individual circumstances and not be at > a disadvantage. > > AG > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1841 - Release Date: 12/10/2008 9:30 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 10 23:59:30 2008 Received: (qmail 2691 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 22:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 22:59:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC26F4304AE for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860F8440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:59:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A72F34AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:59:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1A334AC005 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:59:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:59:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so361657yxi.80 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:59:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.32.18 with SMTP id f18mr1198450agf.78.1228949963197; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:59:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.28.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:59:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:59:23 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <6509D2D8-B37F-41DE-8F01-B61486441E19@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812092143.mB9Lhdts023071@mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au> <87B3C225-ABC3-4F67-BB70-8E93BC95D90A@threeshoes.net> <7e764efe0812100931o720c133vdd136b72d6f9d180@mail.gmail.com> <6509D2D8-B37F-41DE-8F01-B61486441E19@threeshoes.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 18ceebb4501fab08 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 10 23:59:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 494049d2291801234514069 > > > for gear change points (auto trans is fuzzy logic) helps me to achieve > > around 610km on a single full tank of gas (75 litres). > Other than the speed factor, I thought I was going to be impressed. Then I ran the english-metric conversions. My Jeep Grand Cherokee will go almost 600km on 72 litres at 120kph. And I can park on top of Khen's skateboard without scratching my oilpan. Yes, Jan, It was a slight bit of hyperbole regarding the 10:1 coal production. Just as there is hyperbole on both sides of the Ethanol issue. Negative energy? Yeah right--when you factor in stupid things like "harvest moon dimming caused by cows belching in Kenya because there is less corn for human consumption". But on the flip side, the proponants calculate BTU per barrel of light-sweet-crude. So, yes, you are also correct in blasting the industry for optimistic calculations. But this negative-energy argument which some people claim regarding some sources of fuel remind me of the Pink Panther cartoon where he's vacuuming and the vacuum sucks everything up, including itself. My point about the pocket-book driving effeciency, I believe that this has been proven this past summer. Gasoline demand suddenly took a dive when gas in the USA topped $4 per gallon. Almost everybody changed driving habits. These are personal decisions people make. Eat or drive. In MY life, we've been making other changes too. We moved into a condo that is very efficient. We pay extra on our electric bill to buy our energy from renewable (wind). We bought the most efficient clothes-washer on the market, etc., etc., I also see it every day on the interstate. Trucks no longer go faster than 65-70 around here. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 00:01:48 2008 Received: (qmail 20605 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 23:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 23:01:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D0B4304C3 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8912D440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9D51CD485 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:01:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF311CD483 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 00:01:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49404a5c225331035110158 Ok how about very simply any analogue Olympus body, whatever lens you can fit on it, and your choice of film, in a one week shooting period. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 00:04:29 2008 Received: (qmail 22698 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 23:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 23:04:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C61430506 for ; 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Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:04:04 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB2932BB2CB37A-17B8-A1D@WEBMAIL-DY15.sysops.aol.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 00:04:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49404afd227161234514069 Then comes Brand Factor - Maximum of 200 Points. Olympus Camera, Zuiko Lens = 200 points Olympus Camera, Other Lens = 100 points Other Camera, Zuiko Lens = 100 points Other Camera, Other Lens = 0 points (yeah, you got it. This allows anybody to participate with any brand camera and lens, but this category is 1/5 of the total point count, so look out) Camera Age Factor - This is the "Bonus Round" Age of camera * 10 points. (Therefore, a 35-year old M1 will be worth 350 points, a brand new Canon 5Dmk2 will be 0 points) Camera Technology Factor - Maximum of 100 Points Pinhole camera, no meter, no nothing - 100 points Mechanical camera, no auto anything - 75 points Electronic camera, auto something - 50 points Electronic camera, auto everything - 25 points Face Detection - 0 points Ken, I'm just wondering how many points one might get for using a Chrome Six??? Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 00:25:43 2008 Received: (qmail 23673 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 23:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 23:25:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879AF43050B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:25:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E933A440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:25:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2E01CD485 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:25:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254CE1CD484 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:25:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17188 invoked by uid 502); 10 Dec 2008 23:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.191.196) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 23:25:19 -0000 Message-ID: <49404FD6.5080108@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:25:10 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net> <493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> <493F445F.5080407@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 00:25:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49404ff7295054673671140 Ken Norton wrote: >> In the particular case at hand, the mountains in question are the Olympic range on the Olympic Peninsula, in Mike's neck of the woods. Not particularly tall, relative to other Western ranges, but properly rugged, with steep slopes, sawtooth ridges, snow caps with several glaciers.... >> > > Absolute altitude isn't necessarily an accurate way of describing what a "mountain" is. I prefer to really look at how much it rises from the surrounding average terrain. I agree, in the area of "how big". For example, Mt. McKinley/Denali is more massive and 50% taller than Everest, when based on rise from the surrounding plateaus, rather than height above sea level. But then Mauna Kea has a much higher rise again, measured from the sea floor from which it rises. > In Colorado, there are some really decent sized mountains in the University Range, but compared to surrounding elevation they really aren't that impressive. There are "bumps" in the 4-corners area that you can walk up in five minutes without breaking a sweat that would be called "mountains" based on absolute altitude. > Yup. I was amazed when I first visited mountains in the Eastern US, like the Great Smokies and White Mountains. Sure, they scenic places worth visiting, and big compared to anything East of the Rockies, but modest compared to what I grew up with. I recall my surprise when I drove into the Great Smokies from the West. I kept expecting the 'real' mountains to be revealed behind modest foothills Then we were across. Even the very pretty valley at the top is very unlike alpine valleys I've known. There are countless peaks in the Sierra foothills that would be the biggest mountain in the East, but don't even have names here. > What makes the western slope of the Sierras so impressive is the fact that the rise from the valley floor is so great. I find the Eastern slope more impressive. On the West side, the total rise is greater, but it's quite gradual. On the East side, it's very steep, rising suddenly from the Owens Valley. I've been up a few of those places. We used to backpack in from the East side because one can get into the real high country in one day, rather than 3-4 days of slogging from the West. > This is also why the mountains of Snowdonia, which in altitude terms can barely be called "hills", are > imposing because they rise almost directly from the sea. > As Mike notes, that's also one reason the Olympics are impressive. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 00:37:39 2008 Received: (qmail 25107 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 23:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 23:37:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036E043051F for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A266440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBED34AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:37:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E23134AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:37:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26493 invoked by uid 502); 10 Dec 2008 23:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.191.196) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 23:37:29 -0000 Message-ID: <494052B6.30604@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:37:26 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493CB593.4030500@gmail.com> <493D12AD.4090202@chucknorcutt.com> <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com> <493FA177.8030002@gmail.com> <493FBDEA.2070108@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <493FBDEA.2070108@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 00:37:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 494052c386151993019900 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I didn't for a minute think that you'd actually take my flash advice but decided I'd offer it anyway. Oh, but I will, take it that is. Whether I will take any images using it depends not at all on the quality of the advice, but on whether, against my wishes, I get sucked into shooting something like that again. > .... > Where you were shooting was tough. Most of my experience with flash photography is in a venue where I have had a high degree of control over the lighting and multiple flash units to work with... sometimes as many as five. I knew I was attending some time ahead, but only that It would be nice if I played photographer a day ahead. If I had been warned in time, and if I were equipped as you and AG and others are, that might have been a possibility. But then, others would have expected event photos to be generally available. And I ain't playin' that kind of pro, nohow. Way too much like work. :-) > I'm not really sure if I'd have done much better than you in the same situation. > Oh I think so. At least you would have tried some fill flash, which would probably have worked nicely. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 00:38:50 2008 Received: (qmail 23604 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 23:38:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 23:38:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE0743051A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80FA2440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B8134AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09EC34AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27277 invoked by uid 502); 10 Dec 2008 23:38:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.191.196) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 23:38:41 -0000 Message-ID: <494052FD.4020602@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:37 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493BF7E6.7080501@chucknorcutt.com> <493D5546.7010305@chucknorcutt.com> <493D8088.1050008@gmail.com> <493DA991.6040807@chucknorcutt.com> <493FA177.8030002@gmail.com> <493FBDEA.2070108@chucknorcutt.com> <3CC964EF0D604DF4BECDF5B419E4E957@main> <493FE414.9090803@chucknorcutt.com> <493FF00E.804@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] More on using the T32 in manual mode X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 00:38:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940530a142321744846740 Ken Norton wrote: > While I understand Moose's perspective on this, and for many applications, > I'm right there with him. Oops, that might be another half a horse. ;-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 00:39:00 2008 Received: (qmail 29656 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 23:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 23:38:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95D543045B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1857440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11631CD485 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E54B1CD486 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so367522yxi.80 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.83.2 with SMTP id g2mr1211929agb.79.1228952333395; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.28.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:38:53 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <8CB2932BB2CB37A-17B8-A1D@WEBMAIL-DY15.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493FCA05.9060703@verizon.net> <7e764efe0812100725g4f5f45e9hf20cb240fa7df8ad@mail.gmail.com> <493FE4BC.5030802@chucknorcutt.com> <7e764efe0812100753s525d0a4vd43024247104d287@mail.gmail.com> <32267166.54191228925197169.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4940179C.6090108@spokeandsprocket.com> <8CB2932BB2CB37A-17B8-A1D@WEBMAIL-DY15.sysops.aol.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bacf792e9ebce7f0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 00:39:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49405314135523675314703 > > Ken, I'm just wondering how many points one might get for using a Chrome > Six??? Bill Barber > With or without the pinhole lens? :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 00:41:00 2008 Received: (qmail 22748 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 23:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 23:40:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6D44304C3 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:40:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE3B440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFC834AC00F for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:40:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.904 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.904 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4284634AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:40:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:40:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.113]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBANepTG001081 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:40:51 +1100 Message-Id: <200812102340.mBANepTG001081@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail08.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:40:51 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:40:51 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 00:41:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940538c89982070262475 Just tell me what configuration of body/lens/media gives me the most benefit over all the weird criteria you come up with ! Do I get a bonus for using an OM-1 with a busted meter and sunny 16 ? How may extra points do I get for hand holding exposures longer than 1/15 ? ...Wayne > nsurit@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Then comes Brand Factor - Maximum of 200 Points. > Olympus Camera, Zuiko Lens = 200 points > Olympus Camera, Other Lens = 100 points > Other Camera, Zuiko Lens = 100 points > Other Camera, Other Lens = 0 points > (yeah, you got it. This allows anybody to participate with any brand > camera > and lens, but this category is 1/5 of the total point count, so look > out) > > Camera Age Factor - This is the "Bonus Round" > Age of camera * 10 points. > (Therefore, a 35-year old M1 will be worth 350 points, a brand new Canon > 5Dmk2 will be 0 points) > > Camera Technology Factor - Maximum of 100 Points > Pinhole camera, no meter, no nothing - 100 points > Mechanical camera, no auto anything - 75 points > Electronic camera, auto something - 50 points > Electronic camera, auto everything - 25 points > Face Detection - 0 points > > > > > Ken, I'm just wondering how many points one might get for using a Chrome > Six??? Bill Barber > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 00:42:10 2008 Received: (qmail 5946 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 23:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 23:42:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA02243049D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:42:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF42440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:42:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E175F34AC005 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:42:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F032134AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:42:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:42:01 -0800 (PST) X-Trace: 118204994/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.75.174.122/None/jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.75.174.122 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-MUA: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIEAOfhP0lPS656/2dsb2JhbACNIrhmgwY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,749,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="118204994" Received: from 79-75-174-122.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO MEDIAPC) ([79.75.174.122]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 10 Dec 2008 23:41:58 +0000 From: "Jon Mitchell" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:42:35 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c95b20$fa71e8a0$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <6509D2D8-B37F-41DE-8F01-B61486441E19@threeshoes.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081210-0, 10/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 00:42:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 494053d2215731035110158 Chris, As anyone who has heard me rant will know, I'm not a fan of the BMW car .... but I have the BMW 2L Diesel Turbo Diesel engine in my latest lovely motor (definitely NOT a BMW !), and it is superb. I can confirm that, although my gearing and wheels, etc., are different from Chris's, 3000rpm will be putting me somewhere beyond 95mph at least (which, of course, we do not do on our roads ... right Chris ?) ;-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] Sent: 10 December 2008 21:22 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on That must be a petrol-engined machine, Khen. I would get 105mph from 3,000rpm and my 75l of diesel will do over 700miles. That's a 2l, 4 cylinder BMW turbo-diesel for you :-) Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 00:47:53 2008 Received: (qmail 884 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 23:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 23:47:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746B7430452 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:47:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC06440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:47:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B23534AC005 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:47:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5DC34AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:47:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:47:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [138.23.74.126] ([138.23.74.126]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id CXO79287 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:47:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <29F3DB1F-1C0B-45E4-836F-915AFB14B928@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <003101c95b20$fa71e8a0$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:47:45 -0800 References: <003101c95b20$fa71e8a0$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 00:47:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49405529221321585427447 On Dec 10, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Jon Mitchell wrote: > Chris, > > As anyone who has heard me rant will know, I'm not a fan of the BMW > car > .... but I have the BMW 2L Diesel Turbo Diesel engine in my latest > lovely motor (definitely NOT a BMW !), and it is superb. Whatcha got, Jon? /s -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 00:51:07 2008 Received: (qmail 8501 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 23:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 23:51:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11000430461 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:51:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CCF440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:51:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1562B1CD485 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:51:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F19B1CD484 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:51:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f13.google.com (mail-gx0-f13.google.com [209.85.217.13]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:51:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so1023158gxk.14 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:51:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.83.18 with SMTP id g18mr1223577agb.53.1228953060174; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:51:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.28.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:51:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:51:00 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <45277404333247A999A726A2BFB8FAB0@FAMILYMAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <45277404333247A999A726A2BFB8FAB0@FAMILYMAIN> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a8a833212d9a2804 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nostalgia and the New World (this newfangled Internet-thingee) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 00:51:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 494055eb170378512572685 > > That is, how many of you "Old Pros" (OK, maybe not "old", but at least > "Real"--whereas, I'm a total amateur) got your start as a HS student > yearbook > photographer--and does this product look like a winner? > As to the product, it is short on information, long on jabber jabber. I date back to the wax days of yearbook design. Yearbook photographer for three years with my trusty pair of Yashica GS-N rangefinders. My photos were so baaaaaaaaaaaaaad. Unfortunately, I can't blame it on the cameras. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 00:54:09 2008 Received: (qmail 28434 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2008 23:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 23:54:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00249430452 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEA6440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28F91CD484 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:54:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.432 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.432 required=7 tests=[DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=2.431, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22AD1CD483 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:54:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (68.230.240.9 is listed in dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:54:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081210235402.ZQMP18445.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:54:02 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.13.228]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id pbu11a00E4vDLwc02bu199; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:54:01 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eFWPmdBxzyMA:10 a=j6HbMZXrf3AA:10 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=kx34X2CgIXXmGWJPxEEA:9 a=9v1xrq5alsfvB2b4PdAA:7 a=H0_QdK3oZUOftjrQrPJRg5A7bdIA:4 a=IKds56vswl8A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=7fDRFdMZ_OEA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <45277404333247A999A726A2BFB8FAB0@FAMILYMAIN> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:53:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Nostalgia and the New World (this newfangledInternet-thingee) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 00:54:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 494056a1224517927319144 Never did photography in high school, picked it up in college. Then, shooting B&W and doing your own darkroom work was normal, not a quaint artistic choice. Of course, those early photos were baaaaaaaad. \ Did some for the school newspaper in grad school. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Nostalgia and the New World (this newfangledInternet-thingee) > > >> That is, how many of you "Old Pros" (OK, maybe not "old", but at least >> "Real"--whereas, I'm a total amateur) got your start as a HS student >> yearbook >> photographer--and does this product look like a winner? >> > > As to the product, it is short on information, long on jabber jabber. I > date back to the wax days of yearbook design. > > Yearbook photographer for three years with my trusty pair of Yashica GS-N > rangefinders. My photos were so baaaaaaaaaaaaaad. Unfortunately, I can't > blame it on the cameras. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1842 - Release Date: 12/10/2008 6:53 PM -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 01:11:27 2008 Received: (qmail 20074 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 00:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 00:11:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0BB4304F6 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F002440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:11:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB7D1CD483 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:11:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7A11CD481 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:11:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:11:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 919 invoked by uid 504); 11 Dec 2008 00:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.2?) (chucknorcutt@67.242.127.244) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Dec 2008 00:11:15 -0000 Message-ID: <49405AA3.2040003@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:11:15 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <45277404333247A999A726A2BFB8FAB0@FAMILYMAIN> In-Reply-To: <45277404333247A999A726A2BFB8FAB0@FAMILYMAIN> Subject: Re: [OM] Nostalgia and the New World (this newfangled Internet-thingee) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 01:11:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49405aaf201111257536491 My only tie to the high school yearbook was designing the cover for the school's first ever graduating class with pencil and paper. I never got a camera until a couple of years later. Then it took another 15 years before I acquired an OM-1. Then it took another 30 years to figure out how to use it. Still workin' on that. Chuck Norcutt Gary Holder (c) wrote: > Folks, > > The link below was headlined on my Start Page , and it got me nostalgically > wondering: > > http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Yearbooks-Come-Alive-With-Innovative/story.aspx?guid={3ECA344C-F2C7-4DB8-9861-C7BA315B4130} > > That is, how many of you "Old Pros" (OK, maybe not "old", but at least > "Real"--whereas, I'm a total amateur) got your start as a HS student yearbook > photographer--and does this product look like a winner? > > I did not myself do such stuff, and only slightly knew some HS yearbook staff > (or newspaper staff, for that matter); it was not my crowd.. > > On the other hand, I did get to know one of the college daily-paper > photographers in grad school, and he sold me on my first OM (he used OM 1), > and sold me his honorably-dinged-on-the-corner Winder 2. > > Gary Holder > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1841 - Release Date: 12/10/2008 9:30 AM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 01:17:25 2008 Received: (qmail 18906 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 00:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 00:17:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4694304AC for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEAD440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45AAF1CD485 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:17:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3EC1CD483 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:17:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so373020ywa.80 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.99.3 with SMTP id w3mr1223397agb.111.1228954637468; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.28.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:17:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:17:17 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <200812102340.mBANepTG001081@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812102340.mBANepTG001081@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Google-Sender-Auth: df63a3f73ba71bd9 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 01:17:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49405c1568951257536491 > > Just tell me what configuration of body/lens/media gives me the most > benefit over all the weird criteria you come up with ! > Sorry, it does look a bit convoluted. The premise is, that you get many many bonus points for shooting with the oldest, most limited camera/lens configuration you can get. Shooting with no meter with guessed exposure? 100 points more than if you used auto-exposure. How may extra points do I get for hand holding exposures longer than 1/15 ? That would probably fall under artistic-effort. Graded by your peers. Less impressive if your camera has image-stabilization. More impressive if it is 1/15 at 600mm with the OM-system taken from a moving lumber-wagon. I know this all sounds really complex and all, but how else could we do a contest that promotes using the ancient stuff (stone and chisel, 100 points bonus) without excluding those who don't have the stuff? Of course, we could just simplify this and say "it must be film--period". If you don't have a film camera, bug your coworkers for one of those moldy oldies in their closet. I hear that those old KMart SLRs took good pictures. Frankly, there should be no excuse. Yes, Khen, even YOU in Malaysia can find and process ONE roll of garbage film. You can always develop film in coffee--that should be worth bonus points for alternative development technologies. If we can agree on that, well, then things do get simpler. Otherwise, I am promoting scoring methods based on the Ham Radio "Field Day" global event. Under these rules, Moose's new 5Dmk2 could be used, but if he was to win, it would have to be a real killer of a photo to overcome the age/technology/brand factors. In reality, it doesn't matter how simple or complex the rules as long as they are fair and everybody has a chance at winning no matter how meager or impressive the kit. Would these convoluted rules as described be doable if, say, the prize was worth, say, $1000 USD? Not saying it will, but you never know. Of course, All photos become the property of.... NOT!!!! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 01:33:14 2008 Received: (qmail 32433 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 00:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 00:33:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA424304FA for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFACA440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44CC34AC00C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:33:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446BD34AC005 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:33:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.ca6.3bf5f0bb (34935) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.149]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA048-5c6849405fb5cc; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:33:00 -0500 Received: from webmail-dx11 (webmail-dx11.sim.aol.com [205.188.104.104]) by smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB026-5c6849405fb5cc; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:32:53 -0500 References: <200812102340.mBANepTG001081@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:32:53 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 67.190.32.211 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nsurit@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 67.190.32.211 by webmail-dx11.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.104) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:32:53 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB293F23EB82BC-104C-BBA@webmail-dx11.sysops.aol.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 01:33:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49405fca165041744846740 I know this all sounds really complex and all, but how else could we do a contest that promotes using the ancient stuff (stone and chisel, 100 points bonus) without excluding those who don't have the stuff? Ken, I think there is a place for you in the federal government.? Perhaps in the Office of Historic Preservation & Equalization.? Oh, and the Chrome Six has beautiful Zuiko glass. Only a pinhead would remove the glass to make a pinhole.? <{B^) Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 03:06:37 2008 Received: (qmail 5661 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 02:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 02:06:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB4E430464 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:06:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE07440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:06:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4490C34AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:06:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC9334AC00C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:06:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so385116ywa.80 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.102.8 with SMTP id z8mr1267791agb.56.1228961189123; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.28.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:06:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:06:28 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <8CB293F23EB82BC-104C-BBA@webmail-dx11.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812102340.mBANepTG001081@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <8CB293F23EB82BC-104C-BBA@webmail-dx11.sysops.aol.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f9c756bf05fedcc9 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 03:06:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 494075ad275231869477228 > > Ken, I think there is a place for you in the federal government.? Perhaps > in the Office of Historic Preservation & Equalization.? > I are an engineer. Can't leave anything simple. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 03:50:24 2008 Received: (qmail 10435 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 02:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 02:50:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8C2430522 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:50:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D4E440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DE41CD485 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:50:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20B71CD481 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:50:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:50:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17680 invoked by uid 504); 11 Dec 2008 02:50:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 11 Dec 2008 02:50:14 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210211033.01176380@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:50:21 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za > References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 03:50:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49407ff064361591313764 At 12:39 AM 12/10/2008, Dawid wrote: >... >P.S. I really do feel that it would be preferable to limit to OM-1 and >OM-3 (all-mechanical bodies) - not because the result necessarily >looks any different from the electronic bodies, but >because it was my rant on the photographic process with an OM-1/3 - >which we have somehow "lost" with modern equipment - which got >this idea started, and those bodies exemplify that process. >Not only that, they enforce it. Even though, of course, we can follow >it with any other body. > >I have been doing manual exposure + incident metering for quite some >time with my 9FPS Canon EOS, >which is why I could let it go so easily. But it's somehow not the >same thing. > >Your thoughts? And Wayne, I don't think an OM-3 has any advantage over >an OM-4 in terms of producing >the photographic result, so there may not be anything to see... Exactly, no difference, so the point of mechanical is ...? To my mind it is the effect the camera has on the photographer more than anything else, and what that might produce artistically when the photog mind melds with the camera, or the way the camera shapes the photographic vision. Perhaps the result is to demonstrate that there is no difference. Maybe the experiment should be to shoot two pictures, one with mechanical, one without, at different times, to see if there is an objective artistic effect. Or to see if a 3T has an artistic advantage over a 1n. The ineffable experience of shooting an OM-3t is hard to objectify. An OM-1 just doesn't quite have the same feeling in the hands. I'm not really trying to negotiate this experiment's terms. Let it be a mechanical shoot. But you know, there is exactly the same electronics in the OM-3t as there is in the OM-4t. What makes the 3t magical is the little whrrrr it makes at slow shutter speeds, stimulating subconscious areas of the brain that previously lay dormant, some times causing a sense of euphoria and creating endorphins causing the photog to want to shoot more... it's an addiction, you see.... Perhaps Ken should add a sound clip to his review? Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 06:21:17 2008 Received: (qmail 17583 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 05:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 05:21:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACA143049D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:21:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37ACD440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:21:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BC51CD484 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:21:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.005 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.005 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE301CD482 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:21:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 14 days 17:39:34 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:21:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8329996.54221228973347977.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-196-2-122-20.wbs.co.za ([196.2.122.20]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 794 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:29:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210211033.01176380@zuik.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:20:50 +0200 References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081210211033.01176380@zuik.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition: TOO COMPLEX! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 06:21:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940a34d158371234514069 Guys, I think Kens' proposal is getting way out of hands. In my original post, I was lamenting the demise of the pure shooting experience when I compare OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro, compared to driving a E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 computer. I was hoping to inspire some people to just go and re-experience the joy of using the old OM equipment. Ken came up with the idea of a shooting event / competition, and I suggested the general topic of "Minimalism", without saying anything further (let's see how people interpret it?) Now, you guys are doing to this idea *exactly* what a DSLR wunderbrick does to the shooting experience - you are adding 20 buttons, a flip-out LCD, 10 artistic scene modes, and a complex menu system. Let's keep it simple eh? Let's go out in December, enjoy our OM equipment any which way you wish, and let's post the results somewhere in January and discuss it. Let's see how we interpret "minimalism" if we are forced to use such a minimalist camera. And, in this regard (as per my original post, the shooting experience), a Zuiko 90/2.0 macro is no less minimalist than a 50/1.8 - neither have AF or image stabilisation, both force YOU to make the decisions. And of course a humdrum 50/1.8 is actually better than a 90/2.0 Macro stopped down, if you recall the test years back which found it to be basically the highest-resolving lens ever tested at f/8 or so. Just another fantastic part of the OM experience. Where else do you find the smallest, cheapest standard lens that people happily buy to use as bodycaps, also turns out to be one of the greatest lenses to be found. It just happens to be at a "boring" focal length. I am not sure whether all this weighted scores etc. will inspire anybody to go and enjoy simplicity. Let's just put up a gallery in january, where we can post and discuss images made with OM/Film only, with a bit of the photographer's thoughts and experience as to why it captures the idea of "minimalism" put down as text. (as well as equipment used and technique). In short, why not just make this another TOPE, but limited to OM only, with the theme of minimalism? This list already has the platform for al of this, no need to go and do something new and complex. ESPECIALLY since Ken has so stubbornly denied to offer his OM-3Ti has prize :-) Only then could I see the need for complex rules. Anybody feel the same? Just go have fun. I can't wait for my 300/4.5 to arrive to try it out during December. cheers and greetings to all, Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 06:41:01 2008 Received: (qmail 4488 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 05:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 05:41:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46BB43050D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA247440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8531834AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:40:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.904 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.904 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84AA34AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:40:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.236]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBB5ehDG002336 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:40:43 +1100 Message-Id: <200812110540.mBB5ehDG002336@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:40:43 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:40:43 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition: TOO COMPLEX! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 06:41:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940a7ed196909117217770 > Dawid Loubser wrote: > > Guys, I think Kens' proposal is getting way out of hands. Agreed ! > > Anybody feel the same? Yeah, though I was looking forward to writing a computer program to optimize my chances of winning the prize ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 07:05:38 2008 Received: (qmail 4250 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 06:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 06:05:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE254309BB for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3389440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABA934AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:05:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.59 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1BB3610004 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:05:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail12.green.ch (mail12.green.ch [81.221.254.111]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from macbook.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:05:29 +0100 Message-ID: <4940ADA9.5000804@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:05:29 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081210211033.01176380@zuik.net> <8329996.54221228973347977.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <8329996.54221228973347977.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2008 06:05:30.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[78936350:01C95B56] Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition: TOO COMPLEX! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 07:05:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940adb2124131234514069 I also agree, I don't need or want to compete in areas of my life I don't need to. so the talk of competition would probably have me running miles, I also think its got a bit to complicated and we should just have something in the style of a film only Tope full stop. IanW Dawid Loubser wrote: > Guys, I think Kens' proposal is getting way out of hands. > In my original post, I was lamenting the demise of the > pure shooting experience when I compare OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro, compared > to > driving a E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 computer. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 07:21:24 2008 Received: (qmail 25707 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 06:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 06:21:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D0D430994 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A28440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9D01CD481 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:21:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.62 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.62 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801961CD482 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:21:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2884 invoked by uid 502); 11 Dec 2008 06:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.189.50) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Dec 2008 06:21:13 -0000 Message-ID: <4940B153.9020402@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:21:07 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <12744743.53881228833905458.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <493E97DD.8050602@gmail.com> <14732894.53981228845608079.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081209211322.01156628@zuik.net> <11735484.54031228888079334.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7.0.1.0.2.20081210211033.01176380@zuik.net> <8329996.54221228973347977.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <8329996.54221228973347977.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Subject: [OM] Alpha & Omega [was Minimalism competition: TOO COMPLEX!] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 07:21:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940b164240441499373980 I've been loosely following this thread, with occasional amazement. Dawid started out with something seemingly simple. Then it morphed through various increasingly complex forms to become, to me, an unmanageable and uninteresting monster. Now Dawid is seeking to bring it back to Earth, which seems to me a very good thing. I have a few comments: - I am not interested in a competition. First, because I don't like or need the idea of winner and losers in this community. Although I always have personal favorites in the TOPEs and exchanges, I would never want to have to pick a winner. I suppose this may sound sappy, but I think everyone who participates in and/or views these images is a winner. Engaging in the exercise of sharing as a community is of great value in and of itself. Second, because I can see it quickly becoming as complex as the contest rules have been heading, with criteria, categories, etc.; a complexity that would, for me, obviate any fun. - Today is the start of the shooting period for TOPE 37. I've really enjoyed TOPE and the occasional solstice/equinox/whatever exchanges. I would hate to see a new competition take energy away from TOPE, which has shown remarkable staying power and value as a center of community involvement. - The idea of adding a TOPE event for OM only, perhaps Zuiko and/or prime lenses only, with a theme of minimalism strikes me as attractive. I don't know if Olaf or others would be interested in inserting it next in some way in order to retain the 'retro' momentum. - The way in which TOPE might not be the best venue is in the idea I heard of multiple entires per participant with statements about the images. Perhaps it could be a separate event filling the space between TOPE 37 & 38, late January through February, and hosted as offered at Zone-10. - Another possibility is a ZX hosted gallery open to images captured with only OM equipment, Zuikos only and/or primes only, whatever participants want, at all times. A place for those interested in sharing their love of the original system in a minimalist way to share their images and experiences. - If someone has a real need for winners, they could get together to choose them on some schedule or other from the images posted. Personally, I would prefer what Dawid suggests in his last pp "... let's post the results somewhere ... and discuss it." I have a plethora of OM bodies and Zuikos, mostly primes, and would be happy to participate in something like I have outlined above. Moose Dawid Loubser wrote: > Guys, I think Kens' proposal is getting way out of hands. In my original post, I was lamenting the demise of the > pure shooting experience when I compare OM-1n + 90/2.0 Macro, compared to driving a E-3 + ZD 50/2.0 computer. > > I was hoping to inspire some people to just go and re-experience the joy of using the old OM equipment. Ken came up with the idea of a shooting event / competition, and I suggested the general topic of "Minimalism", without saying anything further (let's see how people interpret it?) > > Now, you guys are doing to this idea *exactly* what a DSLR wunderbrick does to the shooting experience - you are adding 20 buttons, a flip-out LCD, 10 artistic scene modes, and a complex menu system. > > Let's keep it simple eh? Let's go out in December, enjoy our OM equipment any which way you wish, and let's post the results somewhere in January and discuss it. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 07:42:25 2008 Received: (qmail 16757 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 06:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 06:42:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956CF430507 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:42:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF76440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C5C34AC00C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:42:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B0D34AC005 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:42:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:42:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD08C96BA for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:01:48 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <003101c95b20$fa71e8a0$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:42:15 +0000 References: <003101c95b20$fa71e8a0$0265a8c0@MEDIAPC> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] OT---Wierd things going on X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 07:42:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940b65114801838542571 It must be the average BMW 3-series driver that puts you off Beemers, Jon. Come and have a little drive with me, eh? 95? I haven't seen that since ... :-) Chris On 10 Dec 2008, at 23:42, Jon Mitchell wrote: > Chris, > > As anyone who has heard me rant will know, I'm not a fan of the BMW > car > .... but I have the BMW 2L Diesel Turbo Diesel engine in my latest > lovely motor (definitely NOT a BMW !), and it is superb. > > I can confirm that, although my gearing and wheels, etc., are > different > from Chris's, 3000rpm will be putting me somewhere beyond 95mph at > least > (which, of course, we do not do on our roads ... right Chris ?) ;-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 08:13:07 2008 Received: (qmail 21484 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 07:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 07:13:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660BC4309C1 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F88440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:13:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529461CD484 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:13:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9487D1CD482 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:13:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 27 days 00:12:37 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760EA260ABA5 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:12:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EncBA5uYvxyW for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:12:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6120260AB97 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:12:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:12:49 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 08:13:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940bd83139241591313764 Minimalism is what *I* have! Unless you can do a better job with something minimaler. :::: Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys typing on a million typewriters, and the Internet is NOTHING like Shakespeare. :::: Jan Steinman -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 08:18:15 2008 Received: (qmail 1343 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 07:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 07:18:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0954304DB for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C34440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:18:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F30534AC002 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:18:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D658134AC00D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:18:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 27 days 00:17:45 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:18:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2E7260AC01 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:18:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y+OCu4-G8Pz5 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:18:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5B7260ABED for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:18:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:18:07 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [OM] PacNW sunsets X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 08:18:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940beb7194171342116753 > From: "Ken Norton" > > Absolute altitude isn't necessarily an accurate way of describing > what a > "mountain" is. I prefer to really look at how much it rises from the > surrounding average terrain... > > To me, anytime you have a one-mile vertical rise, I consider that a > mountain. Anything less is just mountainous. I don't know. The "mountainous" hill that rises 2,000 feet above our house -- which is making sunset about 1:50PM this time of year -- seems like a "mountain" to me. I prefer the definition, "It seems really, really big from where I'm standing." :::: Dateline: April 15, 2020: President Jenna Bush announces foreign terrorist cells have been located near the Edmonton oil fields, and offers "assistance" to Canada in the form of 150,000 US troops, now massing along the border. :::: :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.EcoReality.org :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 08:34:18 2008 Received: (qmail 25019 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 07:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 07:34:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928BF4309A9 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 620F2440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:34:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4709F34AC00F for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:34:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6F534AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:34:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:34:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826F8B0657 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:34:00 +1100 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c-8TlP98rgrD for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:33:57 +1100 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE84DB05FC for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:33:57 +1100 (EST) Received: from c122-107-121-205.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au ([122.107.121.205] helo=[10.0.1.198]) by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAg3h-0000Ga-TH for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:34:06 +1100 Message-Id: <1E11ABC2-2821-414D-973F-0BF1F9B6BD8A@wildskies.net> From: Brent To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:34:05 +1100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - wildskies.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 08:34:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940c27999091023412894 I'm more of a lurker than a core list participant, but I would enjoy a TOPE-like event where everyone used film OMs in manual mode. I appreciate David's experience of getting hands on with a manual OM - I love using my OM-1 even though most of my life has been with auto- everything cameras, it is so tactile and involving. Brent -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 08:35:57 2008 Received: (qmail 21396 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 07:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 07:35:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397C24304FC for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:35:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4EA440006 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF7B34AC009 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:35:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.41 required=7 tests=[SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION=0.41] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EE534AC005 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:35:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27639 invoked by uid 503); 11 Dec 2008 07:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jeff410) (om-list@71.198.177.4) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 11 Dec 2008 07:35:49 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <1E11ABC2-2821-414D-973F-0BF1F9B6BD8A@wildskies.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:35:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1E11ABC2-2821-414D-973F-0BF1F9B6BD8A@wildskies.net> Thread-Index: AclbYt45yjwxQ7P7QU6tn6Y7vnTB8wAACbUQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Minimalism competition X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 11 08:35:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9993 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4940c2dd143789117217770 I was too quick to delete Moose's response. I think he was headed in a good direction. Suppose everyone takes photos they like using whichever lens they want and the photos are displayed under each specific lens. A large photo database could be built which could provide examples of the qualities of each lens. So much for minimalist other than keeping the in mind the photos are intended to be good examples created using the lens. No cropping, ideally no vignetting correction etc. If the photo database builds up large enough, people could make their own judgment on bokeh and other characteristics. -jeff keller -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 11 09:00:36 2008 Received: (qmail 1474 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 08:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 08:00:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1BE430990 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:00:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7587A440006 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A2334AC009 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:00:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372A934AC002 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:00:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17965 invoked by uid 503); 11 Dec 2008 08:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jeff410) (om-list@71.198.177.4) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 11 Dec 2008 08:00:27 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <493C229E.7060403@interisland.net><493C74C3.9000902@gmail.com> <493F445F.